Nintendo 64

[cerulean elk]

haha plenty of Corps

[chrome quest]

NP. Don't know if you missed my question earlier. Is that all the recent 20231006 changes too?

[lone geyser]

It's using the latest stable 🤷‍♂️

[tawdry depot]

Have you had any issues with bi-pedal movement in the game?

[gray surge]

Trazodone did the same thing to me if that’s what you’re referring to.

And they haven’t gone away completely over a year later.

[cerulean elk]

no mostly just in real life. I am clumsy

[tawdry depot]

Didn't you ski at one point?

[cerulean elk]

professionally lol

I am no good without skis. My feet don't do what I tell them

[quaint pewter]

I've never played Tooie so I didn't know this... but Bottles is dead? How sad.

[tawdry depot]

So it's more like stumble around and use your skils of recovery so you don't fall over

[chrome quest]

😭 Guess I'll go back to the unstable for now then. Keep my PD saves working. Soon as it is merged into unstable I'll be back!

[cerulean elk]

haha something like that

[snow shadow]

still, tldr.

[dusty tusk]

One difference I've noticed in the MiSTer community compared to many others is the eye for detail is off the charts

The work being done to make controllers feel right on this core is amazing

When we get 5x scale, would that also aid in 16:9 games that don't quite fill the screen?

[vapid hawk]

retrobit tribute ^

the diagonals need more range

[lone geyser]

That's using which main?

[vapid hawk]

last one you posted

this one

[dusty tusk]

Is there an option in update all to ignore updating the MiSTer file? Might just leave it off for a bit.

[lone geyser]

Got it. In this case, the cardinals are the more extreme so they're also the largest general distance. I guess the solution is to track the values near the diagonals separately. Good news is that it will benefit a lot from the correct implementation

[languid dune]

For me it's DULoxetine. I have rheumatoid arthritis, and my doctor thought it might help with some of the pain, but it didn't at all, and just gave me new unwelcome side effects. So now I'm no longer taking it, but having withdrawal symtoms. Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

[vapid hawk]

a dualsense pad draws an almost perfect shape

so you nailed that

[lone geyser]

Glad I got to see a counterexample in both directions

Yeah it really should only affect gates

[vapid hawk]

thanks for continuing to refine this stuff

[weary perch]

the work you are doing is much appreciated indeed, Lemonici

[vapid hawk]

i think when you're done we might have the best solution for this anywhere!

[lone geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

Should only update the range if it's between the two values so only diagonals count

@vapid hawk

[vapid hawk]

It’s only fractionally different to the reference pattern now

dualsense looks good too

[lone geyser]

That's technically one of the downsides. We're trying to shrink the outer deadzones so there might actually be places on the controllers that don't hit the clamp if it's close enough

[vapid hawk]

i think the diagonals need to go out a bit and the cardinals need to come in

but only a tiny amount a few %

still though if thats super complex or too specific for this one pad its already very good

[lone geyser]

Nah, should generalize. Has more to do with how symmetrical the pad is on its own. We can bump up the deadzone just a touch

[vapid hawk]

yeah i'm not sure wether to take the reference shape on this controller test too seriously either

your shape is based on ares code right?

[tawdry depot]

@cerulean elk have you tested out the Smash Remix on the N64 core yet?

[lone geyser]

This pads the outer deadzone to 4 (up from 2)

[lone geyser]

I think so? It's 85 and 69 which is pretty typical. Can pretty easily be adjusted if we want something else

[native mesa]

Nice

[empty cliff]

@latent galleon polling every frame is not necessarily fine. e.g. if you hammer in a really quick input between the frame and release then if you're only polling on render it will eat the input, normally you poll more often that that just in case. but yeah you can resolve the last inputs on the physics step

[cerulean elk]

I did like a dozen cores ago. So like two weeks 🤣

[lone geyser]

Oh, you mean relative to the dots, yeah? Yeah that would fixed by adjusting the constants in the clamp, not the outer deadzone

[vapid hawk]

i mean vs the reference shape you can see by pressing A

[latent galleon]

@empty cliff normally you don't poll more often than that, so i ...am confused

[empty cliff]

yes you do

[lone geyser]

Do you know what the values are? Looks like 84 on cardinals

[empty cliff]

like the gamecube polls at 2000hz

[vapid hawk]

er, i don't sorry

its a little taller on the diagonals and a little narrower on the cardinals (east-west)

[chrome quest]

Quick verification. Latest posted version, still all good on my controller too

[empty cliff]

you RESOLVE input on the physics and/or render step normally sure, but it's common to poll more often than that to grab quick inputs

[latent galleon]

gamecube uses the same protocol as N64

how often does an SNES poll?

usually, i mean

[empty cliff]

I don't know about snes, I only know about the gc poll rate because dolphin only polls at 120hz by default over usb which was unacceptable at pro level play

so they made a github script for the mayfly gamecube adaptors to make them poll at 1000hz

[latent galleon]

well i am talking about what is usual on mister

and also you are confusing usb polling and the console

we are talking about the consoles

[empty cliff]

presumably usb default which would be 125hz

[latent galleon]

or i am since i am the only one talking

anyway moving on

[vapid hawk]

mister uses 1khz usb polling if its enabled

[empty cliff]

I'm not sure how often the real n64 polls

[latent galleon]

the games decide

[empty cliff]

all I'm saying is, polling once a frame is not actually a solution because it will eat inputs

[latent galleon]

and i bet it is usually once per frame

[empty cliff]

especially in games where you are rapidly tapping like mario party

[latent galleon]

sigh

[empty cliff]

it's very conceivable that you would tap and release within 16ms

[empty cliff]

which would mean your input would be entirely eaten if you polled once a frame

[lone geyser]

That's 84 and 70, not sure it really matters

[empty cliff]

or let's say you play zelda, which runs at 16.666 fps on PAL

[lone geyser]

I think the "original" isn't even consistent/symmetric iirc

[empty cliff]

that would definitely eat your inputs regularly

if you polled once a frame on pal oot any input less than 60ms would be eaten

which is probably most of the times you use your sword

[empty cliff]

polling twice per frame is the bare minimum

[vapid hawk]

yeah the reference one seems to just be like, some random stick they profiled if i had to guess

and its definitely not symetrical

[empty cliff]

to be clear @latent galleon I've made you a quick ms paint diagram

let's disregard the physics step and render step being different and the render step not being exactly 60fps and imagine they're all on exactly fixed steps and physics and render are tied

f0 f1 f2 are your renders

the top red bit is the player hammering the B button

[latent galleon]

bro

[empty cliff]

1 means it's down, 0 means it's up

notice that even though they pressed the button 6 times

it was registered as going down once

and the final frame it was not registered at all even though it went down and up

the only frame where it should have been registered twice is f4 and f5 but if you poll once per second you read f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 all as down

[native mesa]

How many days should I give myself to beat stone tower in Majora's mask?

[empty cliff]

now we poll twice per frame

[chilly ember]

Have you been using the slow time song?

[native mesa]

Yeah

[empty cliff]

now look, we correctly picked up the button in every instance except f5 to f6 where we still didn't capture that

[native mesa]

Its almost day 3 at the beginning of the dungeon

[empty cliff]

quadruple the polling rate, you capture frame 5 to 6 too

[lone geyser]

(Jay has been doing bitbanging (maybe actual hardware bit manips since it's on a pico) with the N64 controller and probably knows what you mean by missing a polling interval)

[empty cliff]

and I'm not arguing at you to be annoying or win an argument, I'm just trying to teach you how polling works so you can understand better, I'm not trying to roast you

[latent galleon]

yeah i used the pio, and it is is amazing

[lone geyser]

Now you got me wanting to break out the Arduino so I can see how short I can make my button presses

[empty cliff]

hmpoweredman just get the owl there and restart

[gray surge]

I’m sorry to hear that. I hope the withdrawals go away soon. My usually kick me into a panic attack.

[empty cliff]

is it your first time?

[native mesa]

Ok yeah i just got the owl. no but I don't remember anything

[empty cliff]

if so I would advise even on slowed time you don't attempt to do stone tower in 1 day, it's two temples in one and it's the hardest dungeon in the game

[chrome quest]

"Monaco Grand Prix - Racing Simulation 2" is playable again!

[empty cliff]

the first time I did that I ragequit the game, I saved at the owl and turned the game off

then I started, and I died or something so I rebooted the game

not realising still at that point that you don't get to restart from the owl and that it would reset your whole day

and I lost my mirror shield, owl, under the well, ikana castle

I did it all in one day and climbed stone tower and had it all reset

[latent galleon]

Every 16.67ms (or about 60Hz), the SNES CPU sends out a 12us wide, positive going data latch pulse on pin 3. This instructs the ICs in the controller to latch the state of all buttons internally. Six microsenconds after the fall of the data latch pulse, the CPU sends out 16 data clock pulses on pin 2. These are 50% duty cycle with 12us per full cycle. The controllers serially shift the latched button states out pin 4 on every rising edge of the clock, and the CPU samples the data on every falling edge.

[empty cliff]

because I didn't play the song of time

don't do what I did

[latent galleon]

that is a reasonable explanation of how consoles work

snes in particular

n64 is similar in that console/game says whats up and controller says this is whats up

in 164us or so

[lone geyser]

It's basically a layer between the soldered pins and the GPIO that can run some ops to decide which GPIO are active, yeah?

[empty cliff]

is that "u" a greek mu?

[lone geyser]

yes

[latent galleon]

the pio is like a tiny cpu without the math, a state machine you program in assembler that then just goes off and does it's own thing

[empty cliff]

60hz is an OK polling rate, it will eat some inputs for very fast tapping but it isn't unplayable by any means

[latent galleon]

up to system clock speed, it is really neat

[lone geyser]

Slick

[latent galleon]

so you can really program any peripheral, including video

[empty cliff]

most people's inputs last for more than 16.7ms for a down and an up so it's fine, but my point was you can't just poll on render, you have to poll separately

[latent galleon]

and the two cpus are free to be cpus

[empty cliff]

otherwise if your framerate is low like zelda or whatever, then you will certainly swallow inputs

[latent galleon]

anyway, pico is amazing for $4, i wish somebody had told me sooner

and yes a 20fps game might poll more frequently, and honestly i think that is where the bugginess came from

they were polling again instantly as soon as the controller reported back, if i understand that correctly

[orchid nimbus]

I was going to say 'welcome to the jungle' but then I re-read your name 😄

[chrome quest]

Gone through a bulk of the games with issues (PAL list that is). Other than those already reported, only noticable change is new error codes on Mystical Ninja. Sadly no further in game, but interesting

[latent galleon]

you have to remember you can't press a button twice between polling intervals. like the NES, and i am a little hazy here, but it says "latch", the controller continuously sets 8 bits in the register until the clock says "read" and then it just tells the console what was pressed. i hope that is clear.

it is the reason we poll at 1000hz

because unlike snac we can't just ask the controller

so instead you have the kid in the backseat going "arewethereyetaeewethereyetarewethereyetarewethereyet"

[quaint rune]

And what do you say ? No no no no no no ?

[empty cliff]

yeah that's my actual name, my parents did not realise the bother they would make for me

[latent galleon]

or can't press a button twice between frames i should say, more accurately

the controller just needs to know it was pressed, and then report back when asked

[empty cliff]

oh I have heard of you vampier, I heard my life in gaming shout you out on their livestream

yes I know, I wasn't saying input is processed at 2000hz, input is still processed on the physics step

[orchid nimbus]

oh man ......

[empty cliff]

I was saying it is polled at a higher rate so that the step actually knows it was pressed and depressed and can respond accordingly

[orchid nimbus]

@empty cliff I was the one commeting that 82% of the games are playable now

and give same fun stats

[empty cliff]

you also made a website they used right?

some kind of updater or something

[orchid nimbus]

oh - they used my website

yeah I made an updater

but that should not be used anymore 😄

[empty cliff]

haha I see

[orchid nimbus]

it's now in legacy mode - update_all took over that task from me

I joined the stream as VampierMSX 😉

[empty cliff]

yeah I remember them spelling your name out haha

[quaint pewter]

Hes in the vampire hall of fame, yeah.

[orchid nimbus]

I'm more famous in the MSX scene though 😛

that's my main gig - this is just becase I love MiSTer

[latent galleon]

being dutch is enough for me

[orchid nimbus]

well ex Dutch - 21 years in Cali/26 years in the Netherlands

[empty cliff]

damn. you in sf?

[orchid nimbus]

Anaheim'

[empty cliff]

ah cool

[latent galleon]

i've been in california about that long, but i will never feel like a californian

[empty cliff]

home of MLG lol

I am brand new to mister, ordered a month and a half ago and arrives in 2 days hooray

and to fpga in general

but I have been in gamedev since 2011

[native mesa]

Majora's Mask has too many heart pieces

[empty cliff]

just pretend they don't exist, what you don't know won't hurt you

there's enough masks to worry about

[native mesa]

I probably will for some

I have most masks, just need one more

[ocean lily]

at least it doesn't have korok seeds

[latent galleon]

i still feel like we don't understand how a console can poll at 16.66ms and have lower latency than usb polling at 1ms

[native mesa]

like i don't want to go all over the world like jack in the beanstalk

[latent galleon]

but i am letting it go

[native mesa]

or find frogs all over in all the dungeons

whos got time for that

[orchid nimbus]

@empty cliff I am trying to find where they gave a shoutout 😄

[latent galleon]

I have to go out this back together so I can have a coffee

[empty cliff]

@orchid nimbus I can try and find it

[empty cliff]

are you sure you are reading when it is polling and not when it is processing?

it is LONG though and honestly I can't remember which part it was hmm

it was when I was in the shower so I think it was wave race

42:40

@orchid nimbus

and then again at 46:24

[orchid nimbus]

lol

this is funny thanks 🙂

[empty cliff]

is the info accurate then?

also btw, how do we contribute to compatibility trackers?

I have a huge number of saturn games that don't appear to be on the list

[orchid nimbus]

it's not mine 🙂 I just link to it

[empty cliff]

ah fair

[orchid nimbus]

I forget who started that

I should really add the names 😄

[empty cliff]

haha fair enough

[zinc dew]

Alright, got enough training on WaveRace 64. Time for the real thing.

[quaint rune]

Nice Raytracing

[weary beacon]

bloom is a little high on the window

[wraith estuary]

@cerulean elk how's the subscriber count today? Did you lose another 2 subscribers from the shout out?

[cerulean elk]

From My Life in Gaming?

[wraith estuary]

Yeah

[cerulean elk]

Let me look actually

No real fluctuation off normal. Last 24 hour sub numbers are right in the middle of average

When Tech Moan showed my channel about NUON that lost me two subs on the video he showed the same day he showed it 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️

[wraith estuary]

lol

[little bane]

In the game Mace: The dark age there are these two stages that appear this edge

[solemn marlin]

Awbacon you planning to do any comparison footage? Like switching between mister footage and recorded real n64

[cerulean elk]

Subs are always funny. Like this mornings OutRunners vid. Someone hates that game so much they unsubscribed the first 60 seconds it was live 🤣

[zinc dew]

lmao his face at the end

[cerulean elk]

Possibly. My N64 is just S video so it’s tricky

[zinc dew]

oh right no gifs

[solemn marlin]

I'm not obsessed with 100% accuracy but still interested in answering those lingering questions, was it really that blurry? It was but just want to see it confirmed lol

[fair stump]

I only just realized how much more difficult it is to mention you with those skulls 😆

[zinc dew]

An unintended benefit lol

[solemn marlin]

I started a n64 not too long ago and it was that blurry so not really doubting the vi effects, just interested in seeing scientifically correct comparisons

[zinc dew]

Did you use a ligma video connection?

[deft tree]

nah, goblon

[solemn marlin]

Scart on these nuts I think it was

Actually framerate was the bigger surprise, I still like the picture

[spare meadow]

Something doesn’t seem right..

[cerulean elk]

Real mature Robby. Real mature

[dusty tusk]

Oh wow. Yoshi's Story uses the same transition sound as grabbed by the ghoulies

[zinc dew]

Did you play the grabbed by the ghoulies sequel?

[dusty tusk]

There was a sequel?

[zinc dew]

Yeah, it’s called Mind Goblin

[latent galleon]

jesus christ

[frail jolt]

Can someone explain about tlb... more the fact thst it causes a performance hit....does thst mean it may not be able to be implemented?

[chilly ember]

That's the really hard one right?

[frail jolt]

Sorry I'm not as dedicated to following as I used to be ... my 3 week old thinks it's great when I hold her....

But I have to hold her with two hands at a 45 degree angle with my arms extended....otherwise...im comfortable and she hates when I'm co.fortable

[lone geyser]

No that's a Konami title

[gray surge]

Oh sweet! Mischief Makers works now (with some minor graphical glitches).

[native mesa]

oh i forgot about the great fairy sword

[lone geyser]

She a Naughty Dog suKonami til I Capcom

[dusty tusk]

Woah, top gear overdrive has licensed music

And it's less cut up than Tony hawk

[cerulean elk]

Is there a working Mario 64 widescreen patch that works yet? Someone asked me and I hadn’t seen one

[chilly ember]

I recall there being one a while ago

[round rune]

Did we lose fzero in latest build?

It was working last I checked

[dusty tusk]

Fzero still working for me

Try restarting the core

[round rune]

Nope I wonder if SD card corruption

[chilly ember]

@cerulean elk

[worldly quartz]

is mister unstable still needed for 8bitdo rumble?

haven't gotten it to work on update.sh with it set on the menu and starfox

[cerulean elk]

Thanks!

[candid copper]

WHAT

()@#$(@#&$(@# best day ever

[round rune]

Ok now thats interesting....

Copied the ROM over again

[gray surge]

I know! I was so excited! Just a few fixes and it will be perfect :).

[plush summit]

I played Mischief Makes today after last playing it since I was a kid, this game still makes no damn sense

[round rune]

Fzero still black screen

[storm vessel]

Was that due to the controller speed or a newer core?

For Mischief

[gray surge]

Todays test core.

[candid copper]

sssshhhhh. just shake shake

[gray surge]

THROUGH FIRE! JUSTICE IS SERVED!

[candid copper]

a hero in shining armor is called!

[round rune]

I had to turn "auto detect" on in system settings

Fixed...

[storm vessel]

Nice 👍

[gray surge]

With your destruction…I have been charged!

[trim seal]

Quick question, apologies if it has been covered - the way Banjo loads the start of a screen before blanking and going to the puzzle-assembly of the picture - is it because there is something yet unimplemented that would not draw to screen until it started the puzzle reveal? I don't recall that on original hardware. Is it a bug or just something unimplemented yet?

[topaz otter]

for a long time on emulators the puzzle pieces didn't even show up at all

they were just black, so there's definitely something being done to draw them differently

i remember it because it made the game especially hard to beat on project64 because you couldn't see the puzzle pieces

[dusty tusk]

Man, if it wasn't for the rainbow garbage on some dk64 screen transitions, I'd have no clue this wasn't native

Does the bottles puzzle in BK work? That might use something similar

[trim seal]

I don't mean the collectibles, I mean when the demo videos are assembled like a puzzle before the demo video plays, after the title screen. Before that happens, on the core you can see the image on screen that is about to be assembled.

[eternal ravine]

Yeah I noticed the same thing
The puzzle piece transition and the peek at the level

[frail jolt]

Can someone explain about tlb... more the fact thst it causes a performance hit....does thst mean it may not be able to be implemented?

I just dunno the impact of the hit...and not sure if it was talked about

[eternal ravine]

Robert will fixit

[patent dragon]

itd be good to know if you can get it working 🙂

[versed cairn]

There's a lot of prior talk in the channel about TLB. lots to read up about if you use the discord search function in the top right. short answer is it roots memory adresses and makes coding easier. that rooting will add compexity to the design and make it harder to hit the required speed. Robert is implementing it though but it won't be till the end of development

[latent galleon]

also it sounds pretty big

so big, slow, and harder debugging is a bad combo

[zinc dew]

yup, best course of action is what’s being done now.

[lone geyser]

We can just run a decanonization campaign and any games that use TLB are no longer in the N64's library

I don't make the rules

[zinc dew]

Damn, Goldeneye was a pretty good homebrew game

[marble cargo]

Super Mario 64...

[lone geyser]

Never heard of it

[versed cairn]

mario who?

[lone geyser]

Is it that DS game?

MiSTer can't run DS games

[pale granite]

romhacking scene dedicated to remove TLB coming soon?

[fair stump]

Only goldeneye I know of is that DS one

[versed cairn]

excited for the golden eye recompilation to be done. not just for tlb removal but performance hack like the perfect dark one

[mortal panther]

If you want to make sure you've got everything, you need to expand your search to include BLT and TLC.

[zinc dew]

All the TLB games are bad anyways, who cares

[eternal ravine]

The Worst

[mortal panther]

GoldenEye?
More like BrownEye...

(but I still really want to play that on MiSTer...)

Who said that?

[surreal summit]

Anyone tried Exreme G2 since the controller polling change? I understand that it was having controller issues.

[fair stump]

I believe that's fixed now

[versed cairn]

Yeah fixed in the newest version. It’s in the patch notes

[surreal summit]

Oh, I missed it. 💀 My bad.

[versed cairn]

Robert works so fast it's easy to miss

[frail jolt]

Love you!

[gray surge]

Just work on patching out TLB from the games that have it.

[marble cargo]

Was trying out Mischief Makers. The random tiles glitching out reminds me that Puyo Puyo Sun 64 has the exact same problem, and it makes me wonder if it's the same bug.

[zinc dew]

What’s your favorite TLB song? Mine is “No (memory) Scrubs”

[gray surge]

What’s a scrub?

A scrub is someone who doesn’t get no virtual memory from me.

[zinc dew]

thank you for taking my shitty joke and making it better

[gray surge]

Glad you liked it lol

[marble cargo]

Bangai-O is not playable. Crashes as soon as you beat the first boss.

[versed cairn]

wouldn't that mean it's not completable but it's playable?

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/spock-dazzling-display-logic-star-trek-gif-16343803

logic dicatates that everything can be simplified

[marble cargo]

That is better wording haha

[eternal ravine]

Wait, I've been referring to The Last Boyscout this whole time
ohhhhhhh

[orchid nimbus]

wrong names above the wrong heads

[eternal ravine]

Yeah, they probably had to compromise due to egos

Friggin TLB

[versed cairn]

it almost feels like we need something between "playable" and "completable" like "confirmed not completable" lol

[chilly ember]

So there's a bug with that perfect dark tlb removal hack that doesn't activate the skedar planting a bomb in the level Carington Institute. I converted my save and tested it on the real hardware, same thing. I made a video what's supposed to happen on real hardware on the vanilla version ( very crappy phone footage, not pulling out capture device to do s video lol) wonder if the guy on github is aware

[native mesa]

Is Majora's mask marked completable yet? I just best it

[versed cairn]

nope!

[native mesa]

Fierce Diety

[versed cairn]

mark it!

[native mesa]

How

[versed cairn]

edit the google sheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit#gid=0

you'll need to ask for editing permision

[orchid nimbus]

I forget - who is the owner of the sheet?

[versed cairn]

andrew

[native mesa]

Can you mark it for me? Its very cumbersome on mobile

LoZ Majora's Mask USA

[versed cairn]

It’s not marked as completable

[fair stump]

Moondandy is the owner

[versed cairn]

I was the last one to test and I just ran around clock town today

[orchid nimbus]

@versed cairn yeah but the nickname

my memory went to @#@# for some reason

[versed cairn]

Lol that’s why I just keep things simple for me. I know it doesn’t work for everyone but I’m just Phil. No fancy nickname

[orchid nimbus]

no what is Andrew's nickname

[native mesa]

Fat Spyro and fat Yoshi name a better pair

[versed cairn]

Oh I didn’t understand. Theseposers says it’s moondandy

[orchid nimbus]

DEPR

yeah

thanks

[orchid nimbus]

@native mesa what the heck is wrong with you?

[native mesa]

I didnt make it

It was on the internet already

[orchid nimbus]

you posted it

I don't care where it comes from

[versed cairn]

Poor yosh

[orchid nimbus]

everyone knows that Yoshi needs to end up at the bottom of a pit

not with a hammer smashed face

which is also my favorite Cannibal Corpse 😄

[surreal summit]

Legendary commercial IMO

[native mesa]

Yeah that may have been my first ejaculation

[surreal summit]

Someone should update Extreme G2 on the sheet as well, since the control issues are purportedly fixed.

[native mesa]

I didn't know fox was into bdsm

I wish they kept this art style

[orchid nimbus]

did you check?

[fair stump]

I just did, it's fixed now

[versed cairn]

#1096015979055697940 message

Robert said he fixed it. Should be good

[fair stump]

I used to be ok at xg2, now I'm just trash

I should try a harder difficulty, it feels a bit slow on easy

[chilly ember]

Converted my save back for mister from everdrive so I can keep playing lol. Stupid buggy mission. So if anyone gets to Carrington Institute on the patched version, it's bugged and you can't finish it

Save file that's just past it (on agent at least)

[fair stump]

It's weird how slow and not smooth the game feels compared to my memory but I haven't played it in like 20 years

[chilly ember]

Vanilla is worse hahaha

[versed cairn]

It doesn’t help that the game is unlocked to 60fps. It’s better locked to 30fps max

Less variance

But it’s cool to see it go to 60 sometimes

[chilly ember]

Yxkalle got that goldeneye x perfect dark rom hack going but i haven't tried to do it myself

[versed cairn]

Did you post the bug on the GitHub insaneFriend?

[chilly ember]

I was going to but looks like guy doesn't have issues open to post

[native mesa]

Could be a combo of the core and the hack

Does the hack not work there on og hardware?

[chilly ember]

It does the same on real hardware

i checked

[zenith orchid]

someone should just hack the TLB out of goldeneye

apparently TLB doesn't make anything faster

[versed cairn]

No expert but I think we’d need that source code for golden eye first. It’s 80% decomped

[chilly ember]

oops uploaded my everdrive save and not my converted save lol

[wanton sun]

@empty cliff i'm not sure if i misunderstood your posts, but let me clarify some things: the core doesn't implement any poll at all. It implements the PIF which will take commands from the CPU. So whenever the game decides it is time to request the PIF to poll the pads, it will do it. The core cannot do it more or less often. Just because the buttons have been polled does NOT mean the game has to use them. They can still lay around in the PIF RAM for quite a while until another DMA is triggered to transfer this to main ram. This is just how the games work. Some games start the polling once per frame, some do it once per generated frame(framerate) and some seem to do it constantly. In any way: the normal response speed now will in basically no case lead to additional lag in the game, because every sane programmer would start the PIF request way before the buttons are used in the game logic and with the delay in mind.

e.g. PIF request is started at vsync and used not before vsync is over -> plenty of time

[round rune]

One thing I'm noticing after really diving into a few titles is that emulation is immersion breaking. I'm falling in love with this system all over again. I'm losing track of time. My fiance and I are having lively debates over the competition. Were laughing alot. This is incredible.

[fair stump]

So uh, is san Francisco rush 2049 considered fun?

[round rune]

I put down several hours on beetle adeventure racing tonight. ❤️

[mossy needle]

That's so cool!

[round rune]

And the new widescreen feature on my 86" tv makes it a full wall of 64bit goodness!

[mossy needle]

It's amazing how this whole community decided to preserve games the way as authentically as possible and we have the opportunity to play them as much as we want

[fair stump]

I'd have to pull up an older core version but I'm wondering if Shadowgate is running better now. The intro used to feel more sluggish, I think

[round rune]

It's coming at a great time. The fpga boom is happening as the mainstream modern consoles are diving off the deep end with their mtx, extreme pricing and subscription costs.

[mossy needle]

It's what happens when truly dedicated people get together and want to make something good. Without emulation we wouldn't really have much access to these games and AAA companies are lnt going to put in the work necessary to make sire they are quality

[zenith orchid]

Sometimes I play it in time attack mode to pass the time. I haven't tried other modes yet

[fair stump]

I don't know that I'm feeling the performance. I just tried a single race and got into 4th and just couldn't catch up to anyone 😅

[zenith orchid]

were you bumping into stuff a lot?

[mossy needle]

Where else could you play yoshis island, Banjo Kazooie, Neo Turf Masters, Secret of Monkey Island, and Pokemon all on the same "system" and constantly getting more and more accurate.

[zenith orchid]

Normally I play time trial until I can comfortably get through a track without colliding with anything

then when I'm playing against the CPU, I have a decent chance

but it is a little more laggy with other racers

[fair stump]

Very occasionally the wall but nothing major.

[dusty tusk]

GoldeneyeX does not seem to work

So much for cheating my way to goldeneye

[chilly ember]

Don't know what yxkalle did but it does work somehow

Whatever the case, the hacks not done yet

Those are just multiplayer levels in that hack

https://www.youtube.com/live/oQGWNzfNg3M?si=e9DP-nKaXxeRRobv

https://youtu.be/c2AUE0JPrKE?t=6267

^More Goldeneye x preview. Latest that exists as far as I know

[dusty tusk]

Uh, when has paper Mario started working?

Nevermind, crashed immediately after this

[chilly ember]

For a while but Luigi makes dust that's tlb

That's where it crashes

[dusty tusk]

It used to crash earlier right?

[chilly ember]

Yea

This, sorry for the ping Oreo

[versed cairn]

I wonder if theres a no dust cheat code that we can hard apply

[chilly ember]

Mario needs to lay off the star dust imo

[versed cairn]

nothing that useless exists. it was worth a shot

[chilly ember]

There's probably a bunch of effects that are tlb that it wouldn't matter if the dust was disabled anyways

[versed cairn]

probably ya

it's just the first one we encounter

[chilly ember]

Paper Mario for Christmas

[versed cairn]

I would love if robert got all games working by christmas. would be a good upgrade from the 1 that was planned.

[chilly ember]

Christmas release and the only game that's playable is superman 64

And daikatana

[lament escarp]

I fully expect robert to post a picture of the sm64 mario face in the next couple of weeks and act like it's no big deal.

[worldly quartz]

yeah. It used to crash as the turtle was about to say something

[chilly ember]

Hopefully Robert remembers to hold r and make a silly face when posting the mario face when he's teasing tlb

[junior yarrow]

Its not just dust its any particle effect

Kammy koopas lightning in the opening is the other crash

If you just dont touch the controller and let the intro play out

If you let the opening demo play that also has mario gasp walking

I used a romhack that lets you warp around and with a little trickery you can get around a little bit more

But

If you hammer that crashes the game

Walking between rooms (as Mario) crashes the game

[versed cairn]

So it’s any particle effect? Interesting

That would involve a lot of hacking ya

[junior yarrow]

If you set your player character to peach she doesnt have a running animation so she can walk into rooms but inevitably some other issue WILL pop up

[versed cairn]

Cool you dug that deep. Awesome stuff

Seems like paper Mario uses tlb limited enough that it might be one of the first to work when Robert gets to it. Will see

[junior yarrow]

Switching partners between uh Parakarry and Bow is fine because they dont touch the ground

Watt eternally is surrounded by particles of lightning all the time tho so she just isnt allowed to exist at all

[worldly quartz]

Too bad paper mario has no decomp released yet

[versed cairn]

It does I believe. And it’s 100% on the us rom

[junior yarrow]

it has one

[worldly quartz]

it's out?

[versed cairn]

I have no idea how to code though so it would be hard for me even to set it up to look

[junior yarrow]

https://papermar.io/

there we go

[worldly quartz]

oh i guess it is

[chilly ember]

https://github.com/pmret/papermario

[junior yarrow]

The un-tlb script when

[versed cairn]

Maybe I should bug one of the coders at my job to see if he can point me in the right direction lol

The guy that makes the particle system for our game sits next to me at work

[worldly quartz]

wonder what term they use for tlb since it's not found via memory or tlb

[chilly ember]

Might be too baked in?

[worldly quartz]

I would guess on heap.* files

so someone would have to rewrite those files

[versed cairn]

Would be cool if we could just disable the whole effect system

[worldly quartz]

BSS TlbMappablePage D_80197000;

on heaps.c

[chilly ember]

Whatever the case is, the perfect dark tlb removal isn't even bug free so i wouldn't be too upset if it never doesn't happen. We'll see tlb from robert before anything related to tlb is removed in paper mario

Probably

I would like for the tlb removal on perfect dark patch to be fixed because it has better frame rate. paper mario doesn't have nausea inducing frame rates

[worldly quartz]

looking at the code, someone would have to modify effects.c and basically change the saving and loading of effects to not use tlb

TLB has to really be good since it uses DMA and it will be annoying to debug

[chilly ember]

I'm trying to not bet on robert getting anything running better than stock so the patches that increase framerate are my hopes for a better running core

[worldly quartz]

don't know enough about n64 to do it

[odd vector]

i think the target with running n64 as accurate as possible within the limitations is a big challenge in itself

[chilly ember]

Exactly

[odd vector]

Everything else is a nice bonus. I mean look at what we already have now: You can disable almost any VI feature, people mod their console for

[chilly ember]

He doesn't need that kind of pressure either. If it can't happen, I'm still pleased

[odd vector]

I still hope that tlb fits for almost 100% compatiblity

[chilly ember]

As long as conker's bad fur day works in the end, the core will be complete for me

[worldly quartz]

any news if snac will have 4 ports

i think vru needs 4th port

[eternal ravine]

The only enhancement I'd hope for would be increased FPS in 3D games

[chilly ember]

So like every n64 game? :p

[latent galleon]

you misspelled "24-bit color"

[eternal ravine]

Oh that could be plush

[chilly ember]

I'll take higher frame rate over that any day

[latent galleon]

i honestly don't think that will happen this time, but i'm not heartbroken seeing the whole VI in action

is pretty.

[worldly quartz]

how complete is the VI? Like is it beta (all coded but not 100% working) already or still alpha (has missing features)?

I honestly thought it was done then it kept getting more

[chilly ember]

Perfect dark at 4 fps instead of 9 sounds great with 24 bit tho. Can pretend it's a flash presentation

[eternal ravine]

PD is that choptastic?
Still have never played it

[weary beacon]

The DDR3 RAM is already faster than original RDRAM. Some improvements still needs to be done on the CPU/cache. Like TLB, he keeps them for the end as debug is easier without them...

[chilly ember]

This video is of the tlb hack. Vanilla is actually worse lol.

[eternal ravine]

I think I was all about PC for FPS games back then

But I remember how hooked people were on multiplayer N64

[chilly ember]

I was too young and loved it, family didn't exactly have a powerful pc to game on anyways

[vapid hawk]

Perfect dark and goldeneye are still kind of unique shooters

[weary beacon]

I am pretty confident that the finished core will have some performance options and will provide a smoother experience than OG hardware. But these will come at the end of development, mybe for Christmas 🎅

[vapid hawk]

The amount of none shooting objectives/ unique weapons

The way higher difficulty changes the level entirely

With new objectives and entire areas of the map

[chilly ember]

The fact that they have more objectives on harder modes changes everything

Instead of the modern way of just increasing damage and turning enemies in bullet sponges

[vapid hawk]

It’s mind blowing how little it’s actually been copied

[mossy needle]

I mean Perfect Dark/Goldeneye does that too

But I always did find it cool to open up new parts of levels as I increased the difficulty

[chilly ember]

Yes of course they do

But it's not all they do

[mossy needle]

Correct

[vapid hawk]

So even though I had a high power pc at the time and could play quake2 etc or whatever they were still great games to play

[mossy needle]

Rare had a good idea of how to make first person shooters at the time before Bungie did Halo and they ran with it

[surreal summit]

Crazy that we got Half-Life not long after. Wild year for video games.

[mossy needle]

And that changed PC gaming and how worlds are traversed and objects are manipulated through physics

I guess less so than HL 2 but still

[latent galleon]

i just played quake instead

maybe i will give them another chance

[worldly quartz]

yeah before n64 shooters, it was all about doom on consoles

Although, how bad is N64 doom compared to other ports?

[eternal ravine]

Better than 3DO DOOM

[mossy needle]

Doom 64 is pretty fun

[surreal summit]

Doom 64 is good IMO, it's just a completely different game... and the brightness is all out of wack.

[mossy needle]

Hard to say growing up since it was so dark

[eternal ravine]

Too bad no Redneck Rampage 64

[vapid hawk]

doom64 is actually excellent

its not as dark as people say - just forget playig it on any LCD. or use the romhack to brighten it

[eternal ravine]

How about the Duke games on N64

Did they keep the filthy stuff

[vapid hawk]

surprisingly yeah

zero hour might be filthier

[worldly quartz]

you know speaking of paper mario, maybe we can just stub out the effects

nintendo was harsh on censorship those days

unlike now

[chilly ember]

Except conker's fur day existed

https://youtu.be/Ym21ZxqDCIU?si=6TaYtTUSP0fuAGle

[eternal ravine]

"Hey the Rare guys are gonna give us an exclusive mascot platformer!"

"They just have a few demands"

[chilly ember]

There's gonna be a pile poo and a bee that pollinates a sunflower

Totally normal Nintendo stuff

[eternal ravine]

And gear sex

Alcohol to excess and vomiting... uhhh

[chilly ember]

There's one side of that gear that enjoys it but the other doesn't

[eternal ravine]

And full of British isms

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/ClqmNoksTVk?si=PYAmA6ZypHCoABww

oh no

[eternal ravine]

Thankfully the game also has charm and good presentation

[chilly ember]

video has commentary

https://youtu.be/uilKJPuH_d8?si=lBdz7oPLpyZrC5Zu

[eternal ravine]

Hard to dislike that game

[chilly ember]

Best game ever game. too bad there was never a sequel

[eternal ravine]

I gotta watch a speedrun

And play that XBOX version

[chilly ember]

It's okay

ish

[eternal ravine]

Have it somewhere

[chilly ember]

n64 version is better

matrix conker doesn't have two smg's

[eternal ravine]

I wanted to see the war level

[chilly ember]

Same thing, one smg

https://youtu.be/Qa9NATrhmac?si=2toFC-gYUzm3dlyu

https://youtu.be/2hmHix5Yu8Y?si=aNo3OuhsVaxAsurp

[worldly quartz]

game made me dizzy though on a real n64 and I had no idea where to go next

It was a fun game though

[chilly ember]

I have conkers bad fur day completely burned into my memory that I could almost run it blindfolded

[worldly quartz]

I think it was after you hit the guy with the frying pan is where I was like wtf do i go

[chilly ember]

You get the bee hive, then you go to barn level to get the tickly bees for the sun flower

Stop at the barn first, feed the cheese to the mouse

[worldly quartz]

Ah, I couldn't figure out how to get to the beehive

well, maybe once it works on the core, I'll go back to it

lol

[chilly ember]

Go right outside the exit after the gargoyle

Then run the opposite direction, going to the right only activates the cutscene for the bee

Use the path when running with the bee hive or else the wasps will get yea

[eternal ravine]

A curious game all around

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/2_EuUUtDujo?si=qfsGmnPsy0mF2dBS

^video sounds like it's using a bad emulator lol

[eternal ravine]

https://www.fangamer.com/products/conker-the-great-mighty-poo-singing-plush-gmp

[worldly quartz]

welp, I asked the paper mario decomp devs and they said, you would have to remap the effects to expansion memory

I guess my idea of stubbing effects wouldn't work as it's used for non effect stuff

It would probably also affect performance as you lose DMA

[chilly ember]

real hardware crt goodness

[eternal ravine]

The scarecrow that tries to score some Mepsipax, lol

[chilly ember]

Really nice helium hahaha

[safe robin]

Star Fox 64 (USA) (Rev 1) should also be marked completable or not? I finnished it before texture filtering was done and now i start it every now an then to play a few levels and i never run into a crash. i have no editing rights to the list though

[chilly ember]

I've got edit rights, i'll put you as the tester that marked it completable

There have been multiple people that finished at this point anyways

I know there are multiple paths too, so i understandable if completable could be debatable

How many of the other paths have you gone down? @safe robin

Marked as completable now

[safe robin]

1 path. i can play the game some more but im not good enough at the Game to get every path 😄

[chilly ember]

Me either 😛

[safe robin]

i just never saw anyone talk about crashes in this game in this channel so i would be surprised if out of a sudden people would report it

[chilly ember]

completable is completable tho

There's unlikely any issues with any paths at this point so marked completable should be fine

[odd vector]

Better no sequel than something like Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts

[chilly ember]

Nuts and bolts is an okay game, just not as a banjo kazooie game

[versed cairn]

yeah it's ok. I liked it enough. the frame rate was pretty poor though

[odd vector]

I think I was never more disappointed in a game than Nuts and Bolts

[chilly ember]

Wasn't a fan of breath of the wild tbh, never tried tears of the kingdom but it looks like nuts and bolts 2.0 to me

[versed cairn]

but I guess that made it more authentic to the banjo experience

[chilly ember]

Banjo does it, everyone loses their mind. Zelda does it and its groundbreaking

[odd vector]

Don't want to argue too much about that, but Banjo Kazooie was always a platformer, Zelda still had the same core gameplay around it

[versed cairn]

zelda did it better. it's more like lego science class

the ways the game promotes creativity is nuts

[chilly ember]

I never played it and i have no doubts it did it better :p but nuts and bolts should 100 % been a different ip

[versed cairn]

I think it was at some point

it was a original xbox racing game that you could customize your car

then conker did bad sales wise and they canceled banjo 3 and made the car game a banjo thing

so I hear

[chilly ember]

Then Microsoft saw it had a bear and then they were like "we have a bear"

I made that up

But that's how starfox adventures was born from dinosaur planet

[versed cairn]

Microsofts mismanagement of there ip and studios is out of this world. truely legendarily bad.

[junior yarrow]

also can i just mention i dont know at what point or what changed

but the Translation for Bomberman 64 now does boot, i remember it wouldnt before

it seems to run perfectly fine too

[chilly ember]

Conker on xbox was originally supposed to be a sequel but microsoft said "lets do a remake that sucks"

And that was that

[odd vector]

didn't Conker get something in Project Spark?

[chilly ember]

Yes that was awful

[versed cairn]

the way Microsoft drove Rare into the ground is impressive. record time any%

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/_nnuALpTJLg?si=a3aUDqCWJWxwg1th

[odd vector]

wait, what translation?

[versed cairn]

it's marked as no boot on the sheet

[junior yarrow]

the more traditional Bomberman 64

[versed cairn]

i'll test too

[junior yarrow]

not the 3d games

[chilly ember]

Is it the one where bomberman is a pacifist?

[odd vector]

Oh.. I thought the really good Bomberman 64 with the incredible soundtrack

[junior yarrow]

top down sprites and stuff not a 3d platformer

also has a version of Panic Bomber on there too

the Japanese version worked fine before, but the translation patch wouldnt boot and now it does

[odd vector]

This Bomberman?

[mild ether]

Seems like Microsoft has driven Bethesda into the ground already unless that was all their own doing with Starfield.

[chilly ember]

The one where he's a hero i assume?

[odd vector]

The good one:

[versed cairn]

Seems to work perfect

[odd vector]

that's no bomberman 64 T_T

[junior yarrow]

referred to as "bomberman 64 arcade edition"

[versed cairn]

Got a good crt shot. Truly a miracle

[odd vector]

Okay, yeah it was not the game i was hoping for 🙂

[versed cairn]

gonna mark it as playably

[chilly ember]

Mark everything else that's playable as playably while you're at it

[junior yarrow]

The Viewpoint 2064 translation boots now too

Puyo Puyo Sun still no

[versed cairn]

no boot on Densha de Go! yet

[junior yarrow]

if i wasnt absolutely atrocious at shmups i would try to get further in viewpoint 2064, but alas

[chilly ember]

I kinda thought that was playable, robby has like 4 controllers

[junior yarrow]

the translation

i think

the jp rom boots fine

[versed cairn]

yeah translation

[chilly ember]

I am absolutely no rush to drive a train so i wouldn't have noticed

Is it actually that exciting? Increasing speed and or decreasing it to make it to train stations on time?

Canada doesn't have railway transit system really so maybe i just don't understand the appeal

Hated climbing trains in the past to close bins, stupid trains

[versed cairn]

we have the one railway lol

and theres also a train from vancouver you can take to seattle

[mild ether]

It's fun if you got the pocket watch and controller probably.

[storm vessel]

There’s also a transcontinental train if I’m not mistaken.

In Canada

[versed cairn]

if people like power washing, trucking and farming games a train game doesn't sound that out there

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/C-ALUAa2fkw?si=gMCHiU8hGjHIrvBG

[chilly ember]

I guess got too much real experience with that. You ever try and pull a train with a boat puller with an icy rope?

Not fun lol

[versed cairn]

you pulled a train?!?

[chilly ember]

Not personally

It was the boat puller

With an icy rope that kept sliding

Needed 5 or 6 guys on the rope pulling to keep it from slipping

[versed cairn]

I can barely imagine this. crazy

[chilly ember]

Densha de go!

[dusty tusk]

Sadly English patch seems to be doing something weird to not work, I think it enables some transfer pack code that might be crashing things

Or something else

[short trellis]

I’m quite excited to eventually be able to play a translated version of Densha de Go. Afaik the N64 version is the only English translation available.

[chilly ember]

Train time trials sounds fun /s

[dusty tusk]

Final was FINALly translated actually

I think Professional on PS1 is still a great way to start since it has so much content

[junior yarrow]

whos gonna be the person to complete every mahjong game to make sure they work on the core

[chilly ember]

Dibs out

[dusty tusk]

I'm still waiting for the modem game to work. Any day now...

[chilly ember]

Mahjong 64 lan party when?

Everyone justs brings a crt to look at the mahjong designs instead of playing. Sounds about right to me :p

But how does it look without aa?

[empty cliff]

@fair stump rush 2049 is one of the goats

you just have to understand the point, it's not just a racing game

it's about using your wings to fly around and do flips, it's about styling

and moreover, it's about secrets. every course has dozens of secret exits

if you just go round the track OK it's not that interesting

but there's loads of difficult shortcuts and you will probably try to do 3 different ones in a race rather than trying to drive optimally

like 3 routes that you figure out yourself

then there's stunt mode to try and get the highest score and unlock new levels

[fair stump]

That does sound better than what I've seen in my limited time. I'll dig deeper another time 👍

[daring meteor]

Technically you can go in the code to see the calls for the effect subsystem

It just has an annoying build sysstem

[native mesa]

Idk I like sea of thieves a lot

[jolly heath]

Underrated game

[round rune]

Races are just a bit longer than I want, but otherwise amazing!

[woeful beacon]

Have you tried HSV Adventure Racing as well 🤔🤓

[cerulean elk]

I need to retest California Speed today for tomorrow's vid

haven't played recently enough

[woeful beacon]

California speed? 😮

Haven't played that.

[cerulean elk]

Another awesome racing game

Nowhere near as good as the arcade version but it’s still a great game

[wicked granite]

GT 64: The new controller polling timing improved frame rate instead of 7 fps, I now get 15fps.... still do not know what the original frame rate is, but at least its improving.

[cerulean elk]

Good to know

[weary perch]

that IS the original framerate 😄

[cerulean elk]

Haha that’s the hard part when you are testing games…”is it running slow because core? Or because it ran like garbage on actual hardware”?

[native mesa]

@cerulean elk Mario Kart amped up has been working for a while unless you were referring to the widescreen mode

[cerulean elk]

I was talking widescreen

[weary perch]

i'm imagining someone filing a github issue for banjo-tooie "the framerate drops down to like 5!" lol

[marble cargo]

There are some games where I can tell the speed isn't accurate, simply because I've played a lot and can recognize the subtle behavior.

Like Pokémon Stadium 2 lags a lot due to the heavy use of particle effects, which on the current core doesn't happen.

[native mesa]

Yeah like Robert said. some places it will be faster some it will be slower

[weary beacon]

The slowdown doesn't happen, or the particle effects themselves don't appear?

[weary perch]

once the core is released after the timing work has been done, there are some games with built-in debug modes where you can make pretty interesting comparisons

[native mesa]

My dog stole my chicken noodle soup

[weary perch]

beetle adventure racing, for example, has a debug mode which can show the framerate on console, and an extensive attract mode with an unlocked framerate

you can make a pretty interesting comparison there once the core's more complete

[mild ether]

I got a patch for it.

And earthworm Jim debug which is pretty good.

[cerulean elk]

issue closed: thats how it is lol

[weary perch]

lol

i love Tooie but lord have mercy, that framerate

[marble cargo]

The slowdown doesn't happen.

For example when you summon a Pokémon, there is supposed to be lag due to the game rendering a lot of particles. Inaccuracies with emulation ignores that lag.

[mild ether]

The frame rates the core produces and the debug says are the same so that is accurate.

[marble cargo]

Another example is that animation when you collect a badge. On original hardware, it would lag, but emulators tend to play the animation a lot faster since the inherent lag isn't there.

[weary perch]

i'm very amused by the OOT title menu running 2x speed for... some reason 😄

spent an inordinate amount of time playing blast corps last night. the backlash is still incredibly hard to control - nostalgia activated

one of the first missions you get to use the backlash has a gold time of 22 seconds and that is just devious, Rare. downright cruel lol

this core is utterly magical already

truly astounding

[mild ether]

Patch if anyone wants to play with the debug menus

[woeful beacon]

I just wanna play rush

also DKR > Mario Kart, go ahead and smoke me

[drowsy lantern]

Does the fact that most games run faster on MiSTer suggest that RAM speed was one of the main bottlenecks on N64? Was it known for having slow RAM speeds?

[woeful beacon]

https://medium.com/@matthewfcarlson/nintendo-64-architecture-and-history-8a01cf503a6a you might enjoy this shroom

"The RCP was the secret sauce of the N64. It had a whole separate processor with tons of specialized circuitry. This was a clear advantage over the competition as it allowed developers to offload work onto it. However, it could also be tricky. Do you do audio on the CPU or the RCP? You can adjust the graphics on the fly and put new microcode on it if you really desired (I don’t think any game did this). How do you handle that?"

[storm vessel]

I recall back in the day that RAMBUS RAM was considered slow but I'm not sure if that was specifically in regards to N64's RAM or just in general.

(at least that's what my more tech savvy friend's were saying)

[woeful beacon]

absolutely awesome article I enjoyed a lot more once the core was in development

[topaz otter]

RAMBUS ram has high latency

its also proprietary which made it very expensive

funny story about rambus

so those guys went to JEDEC, which is open to any ram manufacturer

and started having meetings with other ram makers, but the goal was to steal their trade secrets

which they then tried to patent, and then proceeded to sue everyone else who made ram

basically they were patent trolling

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Rambus_HQ_patent_wall_section.JPG/1920px-Rambus_HQ_patent_wall_section.JPG

each one of these plaques on the wall at rambus hq is a patent they probably stole

[vapid hawk]

rambus was an amazingly shitty company lol

if they'd succeeded they'd have basically a strangehold on all modern computing

[nova grotto]

Are you using any patch in order to be able to play the game ?

[weary palm]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9Ro4NE1mzKI?si=GYqDPTfOLZ2HgSKj

[hearty python]

Don’t forget the timeline of Rambus. These days they had an advantage, but the higher costs kill them.

[vapid hawk]

their advantage was fractional and only existed for about 6 months

before ddr came along and levelled the playing field again

[topaz otter]

people today only know rambus as n64 meme memory but we had motherboards back in the day that only took rambus ram

sometimes I wonder now the N64 would have performed if they had gone with regular ram chips, the deal they made with rambus must have been one hell of a deal

[hearty python]

N64 really used more a preview version. Don’t forget the ps3… 😁

[hearty python]

Think that Nintendo had no choice cause silicon graphics went this way.

[mild ether]

The Rogan is pretty good but Peterson needs some work.

[weary palm]

I think Kermit... err, Peterson sounds fine.

[topaz otter]

I'm reading that these chips also showed up on cirrus logic vga cards of the time so there may have been a surplus of them, like you said SGI was also a fan of of it because they used it in the Octane as texture cache

I think that on paper the high bandwith of the ram looks appealing and it probably is, but the latency of the controller makes it bad in practice. Nintendo probably figured this out late in development but it was too late to change the design. So they just pushed it off on developers.

They'll figure it out kind of scenario

which they didn't because half the time the devs just didn't use the Z buffer at all

[zinc dew]

Got enough training playing Star Wars games on the N64 core. Trying out the real thing now:

[wraith estuary]

Gaben?

[storm vessel]

Bottom left dude is Dog the bounty hunter?

[lone geyser]

You gonna buy that blue drink?

It's pretty good, but the price is only worth it for the meme

(can one of you remarkable ROM patchers please add blue Star Wars milk to a game so this is on topic?)

[latent galleon]

is star wars land ok? i've really only walked through there to get to winnie the pooh

and rise, once

i kind of miss petting goats

[weary palm]

Won't share.

[orchid nimbus]

@latent galleon I went to star wars land before it was officially open

[latent galleon]

like a soft open? or a friend?

[orchid nimbus]

soft open

I was going to go to Rise of the resistance but then we got free covid 19

[drowsy lantern]

Was it intentional that they mispelled "Rogue Squadron" as "Rouge Squadron"? It was quite the meme back in the day.

[marble cargo]

Rouge Squadron sounds like an obscure Sonic the Hedgehog spin-off featuring Rouge the Bat.

[zinc dew]

I’m at Disney World

[weary palm]

No it's the sequel to Moulin Rouge.

[latent galleon]

that was actually an awful time here, like just awful

[lament escarp]

Pls bring gifts

[latent galleon]

in socal i mean

[weary palm]

I want those Mickey ears plz

[latent galleon]

endless bubblemaker is best i can do

[tepid gorge]

I wonder if anyone else at Disney World right now knows what a MiSTer is and that it can now play Nintendo 64

[lament escarp]

Maybe even robby doesn't know

[weary palm]

Everyone knows. It's world news.

[daring meteor]

Even I don't know what a MiSTer is

[latent galleon]

i would bet everything i own that somebody else there knows

i don't own much

[tepid gorge]

The only way we can know for sure is if he asks everyone in sight

[lament escarp]

Is there a word for when you play your mister on a Saturday morning, after a hard week of work and you're just happy and content because everything on the mister is just right?

[latent galleon]

"have you heard the good news?"

[orchid nimbus]

@latent galleon you're in the OC?

[knotty zealot]

work trip for inspiration i assume?

[latent galleon]

burbank, next to another theme park

[lament escarp]

You own a mister. You really wanna risk losing it?

[bronze tree]

there is probably a very long german word for it

[latent galleon]

disney world holds like 100k, and they are disney people, come on

[lament escarp]

I am german but nothing comes to mind. At least nothing that would do it justice.

[bronze tree]

I'm also german 😄

(but only on paper)

[weary palm]

Du bist Deutsch zum Papier

[lament escarp]

I don't think there is much more to it. 😄

[worn delta]

Misterkeinarbeitsuperspasssamstag

[bronze tree]

das Samstagmorgenmistergefühl or something 😉

[odd vector]

Du bist Deutsch *auf Papier

[lament escarp]

Samstagmorgenmisterglückseligkeit

[weary palm]

Nein. Ich bin Schwedisch.

[odd vector]

*Schwede

There it is, my sense of humor xD

[weary palm]

Vielen Dank

[lament escarp]

Don't even try learning german syntax. You just have to feel it.

[tepid gorge]

I did three years of German in high school just for it to be unavailable the fourth and final year because not enough people signed up

[lament escarp]

Especially our gendered articles are a lot of fun. Who wants to take a guess which gender a table has?

[odd vector]

Not gonna spoil the fun

[quaint pewter]

Male due to the wood? Lol

[worn delta]

Der Tisch? The gender of words never seemed to have any logic behind it when I was studying German, you just had to memorise it

[latent galleon]

bet it depends on the table

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune this ones for you!

[odd vector]

Bingo

[latent galleon]

isn't that all romance languages?

spanish seems equally random

[odd vector]

A small table would be das Tischlein, or das Tischchen

[latent galleon]

ah ha!

[worn delta]

German is worse as it has masculine, feminine and neutral

[latent galleon]

ok you are bringing me back to middle school

[worn delta]

That was one of the harder parts learning. Tenses were tricky as well

[latent galleon]

der das die

[odd vector]

I‘m glad I don‘t have to relearn it

[latent galleon]

i just remember singing 99 luftballons

[lament escarp]

As a native speaker you just "feel" the gender of things and don't even think about it

But I'm the first to admit how ridiculous it is

[polar raft]

hmm, I remember "tafel" for table

[odd vector]

Yeah, overengineered (typical German?)

[latent galleon]

listen americans don't even realize they use they/them every single day to refer to singular people, some stuff just has to seep in when you are a child

[odd vector]

You, You‘re

[lament escarp]

Yeah that's more medieval german

[latent galleon]

spazer was studying to be a monk

[polar raft]

I would love to learn to brew some fine beer

[lament escarp]

I'm from the south, we have loooots of breweries you can visit.

[polar raft]

I've visited Munich twice for some reason, which I enjoyed

[latent galleon]

beer is pretty much a perfect hobby

cheap, easy, and you get beer

i mean challenging, but hard to not have beer at the end

[odd vector]

I prefer Belgian Beer, sorry, I‘m not a fan of the German „Reinheitsgebot“

[lament escarp]

I actually prefer cider to beer, people here look at me like I'm a heretic. 😄

[polar raft]

Dry cider is great

[lament escarp]

Let's all make a liquor fueled eurotrip together 😋

[polar raft]

I'm sure there must be some kind of novelty tour based around trying beer in different areas

[native mesa]

Isnt it just vinegar at that point?

[mild ether]

I think günstling is my favorite german word.

[languid dune]

Nintendo stopped censoring games back in the SNES days with Mortal Kombat II. N64 was already long past that.

[languid dune]

Yeeeaaah baby! I played through the first major boss fight yesterday. Game holds up so dang well. Still a top 3 N64 game, and probably Treasure's best game overall.

[cerulean elk]

tomorrow!

[native mesa]

Slow day. People just talking about hammerschlagen in here

[languid ore]

Dicken's makes a real good one

[round rune]

Oh wow I had no idea AUS had a different version lol.

Now that this core is a thing, I’m interested in diving deeper than the retail US catalog.

Want to track down all the translations, mods and QoL hacks and organize them. See what sort of hidden gems I can find. Video Game Esoterica showed off Mario Kart 64 Amped Up and I was impressed. Definitely starting there!

[woeful beacon]

Complete with Aussie accent

And completely different cars

That handle the exact same

[round rune]

Yep just watched a video on it

[wanton sun]

is this version identical with the pull request?

[lone geyser]

Almost. I reset the defaults to 85 and 69 instead of 84 and 70

[round rune]

I finished my 8bitdo modkit last night and I’m loving it on this core. Working on getting a full set of 4 with hall sensor sticks. Just waiting on the sticks to finish them. Going to be some fun nights ahead.

[wanton sun]

do you have such a build ready? i currently have no linux build environment to build it

i would like at least to test it once before the pull request is accepted 🙂

[stuck summit]

do your controllers squeak when you press on the handles?

[wanton sun]

thank you!

[orchid nimbus]

congrats you now also know the Dutch word 😄

[native mesa]

Only after I opened them. Maybe lubing the screw holes would help? Or there was enough skin in between initially to dampen the noise

[round rune]

Like creaking plastic?

[native mesa]

What confuses me about German is everything is gendered. How do y'all remember the gender of everything?

[wanton sun]

if you have grown up with it, it's just natural

[round rune]

I didn’t pay attention, but I’m already trying to forget that this is a thing because I’m definitely about to be bothered by it.

[stuck summit]

lol

[lone geyser]

It's pretty similar to English's laundry list of irregular conjugations. You just get used to it and violating the rules sound ungrammatical

(At least, that's my experience learning a gendered language as an adult)

[polar raft]

Actually, I'm 50% Dutch by birth
But embarrassingly, I only know words for treats like dropjies, speculaas, and oliebollen 🙂

[wanton sun]

tried it, looks good with the NSO pad, thank you!

[bronze tree]

What's the other half?

[lone geyser]

Hard part about this one is that it should look the same since the clamp is unchanged, but it should feel different because it doesn't reach max as soon

[mortal panther]

Works great with the Brawler 64, too.

[wanton sun]

i have 2-3 more range in the edges now, it looks more like the "new original analog stick" benchmark

maybe i was still on a previous version? sorry, lost overview 😅

[compact skiff]

I noticed with the old version it was hard to make a small circle in the controller test.

[native mesa]

So if a new noun is defined let's say something novel. Some new tech device like "iphone" who determines the gender? Or is it always just das iPhone

[weary beacon]

Need it post that kindergarten cop meme

[visual mortar]

Someone try this core with many 8bitdo modkit? I have try with 2,its working for 1minute, and all controller doing ramdom...

[native mesa]

Did your remap it on the OSD main menu before loading the core?

[orchid nimbus]

ctrl-f is the search function within discord - it's really good at finding posts

[visual mortar]

Yes and controllers works separetly

[orchid nimbus]

that was a screenshot of me searching for 'modkit'

@native mesa if you have something for me to add to the FAQ let me know

I already spend $100 on controllers for this core

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-grandpa-well-shit-grandfather-oh-shit-gif-17419001

[native mesa]

I don't have any experience yet. My modkit has been in transit for two weeks 😦

[knotty zealot]

shipping update! how exciting!

[native mesa]

Idk why it's just hanging out in new jersey

[knotty zealot]

listen, i'm gonna box YOU up and ship you across the world!

fedex. NON-TRACKED!

[lament escarp]

I had the modkit for month and I just manhandled it to make sure it doesn't squeak. Mines all quiet, though I remember it being a bit tricky to get it to close correctly.

[native mesa]

How? Tightening screws to varying degrees?

[chilly ember]

I had an issue getting the first one together but putting together the second one wasn't so bad

[weary beacon]

try some WD40 on those squeeks

[lament escarp]

Just making sure all the components inside are placed "correctly", I remember L+R being a bitch, also the way you put down the cable for Z. And my n64 controller was the nastiest on Ebay I could get to save some money. I deep cleaned it before I modded it of course.

[stuck summit]

my controller wasn't squeaking when it was dirty lol

I did a deep cleanup and now it squeaks

[lament escarp]

I would guess it isn't closing completely. If you want to test it I guess you could take the innards out, close it and see if it steel squeals. But I'm not a pro at these things.

[stuck summit]

that's a good idea

[lament escarp]

@hearty oar any news from upstream about the driver? :x

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk most epic

[cerulean elk]

Haha you are the only person to mention the intros

[pulsar vessel]

hi is it normal that n64 core only work on hdmi with vsync_adjust=0 for pal games ? other the screen doen't correctly sync

[stuck summit]

Happy to inform that the squeaking in my controller is gone after using a bit of grease on the screw mounts

noticed the screws went in much more easilly

[wanton sun]

i'm using vsync_adjust of 1 on a LG Oled and played several PAL games with that

[remote hatch]

same here

works ok

[pulsar vessel]

ah ... on my ipad screen it can't sync with 1 or 2 for vsync 😭

[weary palm]

...and out 😉

Maybe it's too much out-of-spec for it to be happy

[wanton sun]

video output will change again when the output module gets the rewrite with original clock. You have a second chance then 🙂

[lone geyser]

Makes sense. I made a graphic explaining the change and you can see that the new version maximizes the range so you can get more nuance

[fair stump]

Now that's a satisfying graphic

[tepid gorge]

This guy graphic designs

[weary palm]

I'm gonna do some silly variant of this where I measure the eight extremes of the joystick, calculates in which triangle (eight triangles with midpoint at 0, 0) it currently is in, then transform said triangle to (85, 0), (69, 69), (0, 85). Just for fun.

[lament escarp]

I lack the cognitive capacity to unterstand all your octagons, but thanks for your hard work 🙏

[drowsy lantern]

Is this something that is meant to fix those moments where I could get Mario to like twitch when holding the stick at very specific 45 degree angles?

[vapid hawk]

isn't that actually a bug in mario

i think kaze discussed that at some point

[weary palm]

Yes, that's a bug in SM64

Happens on real hardware all the time.

[vapid hawk]

he fixed it on his version iirc

[weary palm]

Probably. He fixed a lot of bugs.

[knotty zealot]

i choose option five. it's my final answer.

[mortal panther]

Are you sure you don't want to phone a friend first?

[compact skiff]

Could you explain this a little bit?

[sly wasp]

Wrong. Sorry. you are the weakest link. Goodbye.

[tulip coral]

also, does this improve / change the NSO stick range?

[mortal panther]

Seems self explanatory. All circles suck, but some octagons are clearly better than others. 😏

[lone geyser]

Top row are the old method, bottom are the new method. Old method always normalizes the maximum cardinal value (the green line) to be the same distance as the diagonal (red line). This works great for modern controllers (circles on the left) but poorly for other gated controllers. The new method tracks both the maximum observed cardinal and the maximum observed diagonal and normalizes to whichever shrinks the least (green lines). This reduces outer deadzones pretty significantly and eliminates the possibility of unreachable values (assuming the controller gate is convex)

[sly wasp]

how does this affect new controllers eg ps4 pad?

[weary palm]

Many of Kaze's fixes and optimizations are found in this repo https://github.com/HackerN64/HackerSM64

[lone geyser]

It doesn't. It was made specifically in response to complaints that the Saffun controller had a large outer deadzone

[vapid hawk]

ps4 pad would be the leftmost example i think so no change

[sly wasp]

ahh awesome so no loss for modern controllers and better control for other controllers..Win win 🙂

[vapid hawk]

it helps on the retrobit tribute 2.4g too

probably loads of n64-ish pads

[solemn marlin]

Do whatever you did for the psx core, I assume it was the same thing there 🤔

[vapid hawk]

psx pads have a circular gate, they didn't really need quite so much finessing

[lone geyser]

They also use the whole range

That's the bigger issue