Nintendo 64

[eternal ravine]

Yeah Saturn seems to still have major problems with sound
I'm just being patient on that one

[junior yarrow]

I don't think it changes anything pertaining to the core compatability I think it's just a matter of the most recent version being in the database

[left depot]

You can also just add its MD5 it to a user database file

If the workaround gets it booting. (Starting original game then hack)

[empty cliff]

welcome to mario karta. select your player! select match

[left depot]

Frustrating how inconsistent it is. Others are getting sound on games I want to play. Also, games with sound that cuts out eventually freeze for me.

[weary beacon]

Can you point it out to me?

[dusk glen]

probably wrong save type or forgot to format it before playing

[kind solar]

not sure if it's a bug or what but i found in a couple games on the recent builds if i open up the menu whilst running on the nso controller mario or donkey kong will keep running in that direction without touching the stick

[fair stump]

Yeah the stick does that currently

[kind solar]

happens regardless of whether i hit menu on the controller or on a keyboard

[sly wasp]

No, please don't come back till then. we'll message you if a game works before that time. 😄

[topaz otter]

Wait which game

What happens in this case

Abandon ship?

[hollow rune]

The NGE game on N64 is a pretty loving recreation of the show

[desert crow]

#1046941029296779344 message

[rose crypt]

this game is wild

[desert crow]

it's was in the pinned messages there. sorry to derail guys

[hollow rune]

it was very weird

[fair stump]

Robert deletes the whole thing

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/yaburnt-joker-burn-burnward-calltheburnunit-gif-5274995

[rose crypt]

pretty cool concept

[hollow rune]

There were even Legend of the River King games on here

very cool

[left depot]

We will be lucky if we had one game running by Christmas, probably time to abandon hope

[tawdry depot]

Certain features will be striped most likely

@hollow rune so I've cleaned up the error codes in the USA sheet then made a copy. Now I'm working on a sheet to sum up there majority of where errors are occuring.

[hollow rune]

That is super cool!

cool*

[topaz otter]

Lol

He is indeed a a super cool fool

[hollow rune]

NOt great for Robert though. Now we know what to bother him for

[tawdry depot]

Honestly, he might like it. We do the testing, then he knows where 80% of the problems are

[cyan pilot]

Ah yeah to be clear I was playing the 2.96a version.

[hollow rune]

I was just joking. This really quite a lovely idea

[latent galleon]

are we at the point where everything has been implemented and bug reports should begin in earnest?

[cyan pilot]

Not everything yet.

[tawdry depot]

Most of the fixes are for the developers favorite games that he tests.

[latent galleon]

right but usually stuff kind of fixes itself until everything is feature complete, minus TLB of course

[left depot]

He's not the biggest fan of Yoshi. Plus I think he might find grouping the error codes useful

Async and LOD are incomplete

[latent galleon]

well LOD could certainly be messing stuff up

i think it just picks a texture at random right now

[left depot]

I'd like to hear what causes the craziness in Puzzle Bobble/Tony Hawk

Oh yeah and transparencies

[dusty tusk]

Tony hawk has craziness?

[fair stump]

THPS San Francisco level and THPS 3 have wild texture corruption issues

[quaint pewter]

Wetrix was really sluggish before and it's running at the correct speed now. Totally playable and seems just like I remember it now. It's a strange puzzle game but addictive.

[weary beacon]

Came today. Now my og N64 controller is ready for the SNAC ☺️

[hearty oar]

8bitdo stick mod?

[weary beacon]

not if he wants to use snac

[left depot]

Hall stick should work fine in an og controller

[hearty oar]

nope, you can use the stick mod just fine for SNAC

works fine with original controller PCB

[weary beacon]

oh yeah didn't think about that

[cyan pilot]

https://youtu.be/4JDBc0tyT0A

[jade bay]

Is this a known issue in banjo and kazooie?

Screen is cropped

[coral timber]

Heck yeah, Robert added the aspect ratio toggle? =)

[pine palm]

I played the US version in its entirety, and found almost no bugs. Just the flicker when a level opens(also happens on PC emulators)

[chilly ember]

Yea that's known

[jade bay]

Ok

[fickle yew]

just watched pixelcherry latest vid and i cant seem to get yoshi story running on latest n64. any ideas for troubleshooting? im on latest unstabl nightly mister

[neat sierra]

Who can read all of this? It’s too much. The top consumers of internet bandwidth are 1. Netflix 2. YouTube 3. N64 channel on mister discord

[left depot]

It's only bad when there is a new core

So, constantly

[fickle yew]

i had been a few cores behind but anything awbacon and pixelcherry had been showing on their vids, when i updated to the latest core i could run what they run. somehow something is off right now and i cant launch mario64, yoshi, blastcorpse, even tho i see it in the video as running. im on latest unstable nightly. latest n64 core. dual ram

[chrome quest]

Latest unstable. Do you have the latest Database file? Does it say auto detection failed when you try to load the ROM? What does it do?

[fickle yew]

only thing i can think is a ran update all yesterday and maybe that changed something

[fickle yew]

it does say autodetect failed

[chrome quest]

If you ran update all, your off the unstable MiSTer again

[fickle yew]

i manually put unstable back on

[coral timber]

Ooooh, it overwrites it huh

[fickle yew]

i also rolled back to previous unstable just to check

the latest database file

might be that?

i do get the autodetect error like you said which was new to me, i dont believe i noticed that before

[chrome quest]

If you are on the latest unstable (don't think compatibility for this file is retroactive). Use this "_new" file. Be sure to rename to remove the new to meet the required name of course
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database_new.txt

[fickle yew]

was there ever instructions posted for using database file? i cant recall ever doing this manually

[chrome quest]

The autodect is almost certainly all the issue is. New unstable plus that file worked for me. Also gets saves working on the patched PD too for example

I don't think so, I was asking about this myself this morning

[fickle yew]

okay because im unfamiliar

[coral timber]

Where is the new database file saved to on the MiSTer?

[fickle yew]

where to put it and what to rename it

[tidal glade]

https://vampier.net/N64

[chrome quest]

I'm not sure you "need" to do it this way though. I've not used update all in a while personally. But as people are manually applying the unstable MiSTer, I guess that falls in the remit of people happy to mess around in WIP state

[fickle yew]

alright well it was worth a try but putting the N64-database.txt in the roms folder didnt solve the issue of games that should be working, simply not

[coral timber]

There's a part in vampier.net that mentions the N64 core and it's database can up updated through the "updater" script, is that different from update-all? Because for some reason I don't have it and I guess that would explain why I never had the database file.

[chrome quest]

If you're on latest unstable;
#unstable-nightlies message
Then using the "new" database file (which must be renamed to "N64-database.txt");
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database_new.txt
That's what I manually did today and all is working

[chrome quest]

Did you check the second pin? I'm sorry, maybe others can give better advice for the current best method to get everything to download with a script. I've only been doing file transfers personally so can speak to that

[coral timber]

Oh thankyou! I missed that one it seems.

The method I used seemed to be for something else.

Yoshi's Story and other newer workinng games now work good for me c:

[fair stump]

More games completable than those that only boot and look at that playable percentage

Nice work updating the test sheet today everyone 👍

[languid dune]

Does the new database text actually need to be called "N64-database_new.txt" or does it need to be renamed to "N64-database.txt"?

[hearty oar]

I'm surprised so few games are "completable", although I also wonder if that's a silly metric

like how do you complete a football game?

[fair stump]

They're just completable in that people took the time to hit credits

There are surely a bunch more out there

[fickle yew]

which part was it that got it working?

[fair stump]

And sports games that have franchise modes and stuff, eh I'm not gonna play more than a single match for testing

[coral timber]

The downloader.ini change would have functioned how I originally thought it was going to, it just turns out I totally forgot to edit the file again after my recent fresh re-flash of the SD Card

So no new downloader or anything like I confusingly asssumed, just update-all as usual

[chrome quest]

Needs to be renamed. Only seems to be useful to use the "new" version if your on latest unstable. Renamed to "N64-database.txt". In the end this will all get sorted

[languid dune]

I'm still using the old database file and an _user database file without issues. Do those stop working if I move to the latest unstable?

[chrome quest]

Sorry, I had started trying to help you by sticking to the idea you'd manually been using the latest unstable. If you don't want that for any particular reason, just use update all after applying the edit noted in the second pin on this channel

[chrome quest]

No idea I'm afraid. I guess if it's working, no other advantages to latest unstable yet

[fickle yew]

changing the updater ini and rerunning the updater got me somewhere. blastcorpse and yoshi now load in game where they didnt before. mario 64 is still crashing immediately

cant quite figure out what else ive done wrong

mario has obviously worked many times in previous cores

[coral timber]

The only thing I can think of that you didn't mention iss the latest MiSTer nightly

Those have been having some n64-centric updates lately to accompany the test builds.

[fickle yew]

okay i ran updateall but didnt reload latest mister nightly so i'll try that

[fickle yew]

well i musta been born dumb cause i cant figure this one out. even tried mario 64 from a different romset just to be sure

just loaded a n64 build from a few releases back and mario crashes there too. something is truly f'd on my setup

[fair stump]

Are you using the patched version of mario?

[fickle yew]

no from nointro romset

[fair stump]

It won't run unless you patch out his face from the beginning of the game

[fickle yew]

i thought we were past needing the noface patch

[trim seal]

Nope. That's TLB.

[fair stump]

You may be mixing up two things. His face at the beginning of the game has always been a problem. That's the no face patch. Early cores didn't display Mario's face in game correctly, that was fixed and was not what the patch is for

[fickle yew]

okay i may have been completely misrepresenting then, in which case thats fully my own fault

i could have swore i was running mario without patch

that would explain it then

[fair stump]

No problem👍the naming of the no face patch can definitely lead to confusion like this

[languid dune]

Never feel bad asking questions or if you don't understand something. We all make mistakes or need help at times. I didn't know anything about this stuff back when I first came here last year, but I learned from asking questions!

[fair stump]

💯

[fickle yew]

easily frustrated by having two seperate issues that seemed related, but werent

[cerulean elk]

I have a question. Why don’t you move to Chicago? Be a cool kid

We can play MiSTer in the greatest state in the Midwest 😂

[junior yarrow]

time to complete yoshi story

[languid dune]

And why don't you move to Racine and be an even cooler kid!? Huh? Huh!? ||Nailed it! Yeah I'm so cool!||

[fair stump]

Greatest state in the Midwest is like saying the best part of your body to get shot in

[cerulean elk]

Wisconsin is as cool as lava on a hot summer night

[latent galleon]

man my friend is running in the marathon tomorrow, right past my old apartment, like literally past it. made me homesick.

[cerulean elk]

Ooh Chicago? Fun

One our our friends is running too. I can’t say I get running as a sport but I’m glad people like it

[latent galleon]

yeah i moved from belmont harbor to los angeles, and honestly i miss boystown

[zinc dew]

BELMONT

[latent galleon]

wow.

[languid dune]

Damn. Wish I lived in a town named Belmont! 🦇

[latent galleon]

it's a harbor, not a town. like boats.

[zinc dew]

Dracula must be in LA if he moved there

[cerulean elk]

I lived on Belmont

[languid dune]

Good enough!

[cerulean elk]

And Oakley

Back in the day

Right off western

[zinc dew]

BELMONT

[fair stump]

Belmont?

[cerulean elk]

Go crawl back in the Alamo

[languid dune]

Just tried it myself. Upgraded to the latest unstable main. Switched to the "new" database file, and kept using my old _user database file, and everything is still working. Including my custom entries in the _user file.

[surreal summit]

Anyone working on more TLB removal patches? Or was that only possible with PD because it has been decompiled?

[languid dune]

I want my Mischief Makers patch! Awbacon can go play Paper Mario on NSO.

[latent galleon]

go eat some chuy's

[zinc dew]

Bruh I’m in Alabama

[cerulean elk]

I’m sorry for you

Visiting a cousin / wife?

[zinc dew]

why not both?

[cerulean elk]

(Ok for anyone who lives in Alabama that was a joke)

[craggy kettle]

The Alamo? I remember that place.

[languid dune]

You could move to Chicago and work for NetherRealm Studios!

And never visit Awbacon.

[rose elbow]

There's no basement in the alamo ! 😂

[zinc dew]

my good friend works there and he keeps telling me to apply lol

[languid dune]

Do it!

Or you could move to Racine and commute to Chicago like a real man.

[latent galleon]

chicago is a step up. from most places.

do not live in racine

or schaumburg

[manic basin]

But then wouldn't you be near Schaumburg?

That seems like enough reason not to...

[latent galleon]

or evanston and say you live in chicago

[manic basin]

Exactly

IKEA isn't worth it

[fickle yew]

all right with the world now guys, appreciate the help

[kind solar]

beat mario kart 64 on the core 💪

[languid dune]

Well technically I live in Racine county. Not in the city. Even I'm not that crazy.

[fair stump]

This server is just midwesterners and germans

[manic basin]

Watch out for Danny Mastersons...

Ich bin Seattler

[latent galleon]

it is really not that big

[languid dune]

Central time zone is best time zone!

[manic basin]

Can we all agree that Mountain is the worst time zone, at least?

[kind solar]

my friend is in mountain time and i live in the uk so we never talk

[manic basin]

I just meant that used to be the only reason to go to Schaumburg.

[zinc dew]

I’m going to be in EST soon and leave you CST losers behind

[latent galleon]

hah

[languid dune]

Don't you dare abandon us!

[manic basin]

I didn't "live" in Boise. I did time there.

[latent galleon]

you need to get north of the mason dixon and worry less about time zones

boom, south roasted

[zinc dew]

lol true

I have an old coworker who unironically calls the Civil War, the war of northern aggression.

[fair stump]

[manic basin]

That's.....yeah run, Robby

[latent galleon]

i lived in maryland and that is as close as i care to get

they had grits, so that was ok

[fair stump]

@cerulean elk I just learned if you choose beginner mode in densha de go they'll guide you how to pull out of the station and play

[zinc dew]

Is the translation working?

[fair stump]

Haven't tried one

[zinc dew]

Damn

[fair stump]

I'm afraid of hacks and translations being too confusing for me to get running 🤣 so I wait

[zinc dew]

Makes sense! Right now the focus is only on official games anyways.

[fair stump]

Yeah, beginners mode is literally a tutorial and will pause and tell you exactly what to do

So it's a start

[rose elbow]

keen to try that, it looks fun being a train

[zinc dew]

Yeah Densha is great. Awesome that more people get to try it out thanks to this core.

Probably best game on the system tbh

[rose elbow]

probably !

[fair stump]

If being a train sounds fun, what if I told you there's a game where you can be a glove?

[zinc dew]

I mean that does sound cool but no choo choo button

[languid dune]

Best button ever in a game is the A Boy and His Blob remake's hug button! 🥹

Or Stray's meow button!

[rose elbow]

never played that remake. i have so much love and nostalgia for the original even if its a bit of a weird one

[languid dune]

It's good! Definitely worth a try if you enjoy the original.

[zinc dew]

said no one ever

[rose elbow]

i need to get a new wii one of these days.

[zinc dew]

wait no, that’s exactly what everyone said about the remake

[fair stump]

Would you hug this thing?

[languid dune]

I think it was ported to modern consoles.

[rose elbow]

oo wow

[carmine kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/officer-doofy-scary-movie-reporting-salute-gif-6038641

[rose elbow]

i appreciate being able to feed it beans from a distance but not necessarily touch it

[languid dune]

What if he's all slimey?

He is a blob afterall.

[rose elbow]

i still wouldn't want to touch it !!!

[languid dune]

Wait...so if he's slimey...and white...and...oh god.

[fair stump]

Think it's related to gleep and gloop from the herculoids?

[rose elbow]

was playing around with actual hardware N64 yesterday first time in a while since playing around with the mister core.. there's a lot of little inconveniences still in that setup / vs. the conveniences of the mister setup where i'm definitely rooting for robert and the core progress. the mister experience with the WIP core is already so much better

[rich delta]

I mentioned this exact bug above (yesterday) - and asked if anyone had seen it on og hardware. Not sure I got any answer though. 🙁

[rose elbow]

how far would have to get? is that just beating first level ?

[cerulean elk]

I know how to pull out already

🤔

[cerulean elk]

It’s the burbs. Don’t apply

[left depot]

I lived there for about 12 years. Then I escaped.

[dusty tusk]

Man, Superman is way better if you play on easy

[vapid moat]

https://x.com/CanYouPetTheDog/status/1182673506632380420?s=20

[coral timber]

For funsies, I just tried a certain speedrun trick on OoT that usually crashes on n64 and it rightly did so just as a real N64 should. I guess the n64 core is already more accurate than Wii VC

[manic basin]

It's a whole vibe, to be sure. North end is ok. But....yeah.

[dense wagon]

Just doing my usual for Oot which is to grab the big Gordon sword right away

Since it makes most fights super easy haha

[manic basin]

Best autocorrect ever. Big Gordon....Alf with a claymore!

[fair stump]

That's the silly kind of checks I like to see

[left depot]

I'm still recovering from the gripping depression of that place. Family is still there and it's worse every time I go back

[manic basin]

Same. We just did the trip back in August (I was capturing N64 footage in a terrible hotel on Vista, funny enough). I really don't fit in that place.

[left depot]

Grinkers was cool, tho 🤣

[drowsy lantern]

Speaking of this, I don’t want to imagine how Japanese gamers beat this game. One of the challenges in the last grunty quiz section has you spelling « Banjo-Kazooie » backwards on the sandcastle floor with a very strict timer. I can’t begin to imagine doing this with an alphabet you’re not familiar with. Maybe they changed it in the Japanese version??

[candid copper]

holy crap. yoshi's story is bringing me BACK

[manic thicket]

Back to hell? I can't stand that song they sing.

[jade bay]

Lol id find out if the res was fixed

The game has 0 kanji in it so that makes it annoying to read too

[tawdry depot]

@hollow rune I now know where the bulk of errors are

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/

See that text box at the top? 🙂

Try it

[tawdry depot]

This is a sum of all game errors. The idea was to get the error code from each game and tally what was the most prominate errror

[orchid nimbus]

nice

make sure the extra 0 that wasn't there yet goes at the front

[tawdry depot]

The digit padding isn't significant, HEX2DEC in sheets is fairly robust

[orchid nimbus]

good

[tawdry depot]

=LET(err, IF(ISBLANK(E2), 0, HEX2DEC(E2)), MAKEARRAY(1, 25, LAMBDA(ri, ci, BITAND(BITRSHIFT(err, ci - 1), 1))))

[orchid nimbus]

perfect

[tawdry depot]

Probably needs more work, but it gets the job done

[orchid nimbus]

I like the use of the bit functions

didn't know you could do that in google docs or excel or libre office

or whatever

[zealous hull]

Hey folks, really sorry but I don't have time to read old comments, did I see somebody say Yoshi's Story was working?

[limber willow]

Nice. I don't understand that code lol

[topaz otter]

hey that's my blob

[limber willow]

Does that capture the yoshi story drug trip bug?

[tawdry depot]

Bitwise operators are essentialy in every calculation tool

[half venture]

yes

[uncut gyro]

I loved this game on Wii and then replayed it on Vita when it was rereleased. Eventually you unlock a secret video where it’s the lead animator’s son hugging a sleeping bag, and that’s what they used for rotoscope reference.

[fair stump]

That's amazing 😆

[uncut gyro]

A nice game. I hope Zak & Wiki eventually gets a remake, that was also super charming

[orchid nimbus]

@echos I've been around long enough (close to 39 years of programming) but I didn't know the functions where supported in whatever spreadsheet program you used 🙂 that's all

I haven't looked for those functions either

anyway Error Code bit description added since I had the overview anyway

https://vampier.net/N64/

[uncut gyro]

I started programming in 1984 and didn’t get deep into spreadsheet and database query wizardry until ~2014 (when I worked for LG on webOS as a TPM)

[orchid nimbus]

WebOS is your doing?

I call it - cram as much advertisement on screen as your can 😄

I started in 1984 as well

MSX basic

what a fun time that was

[pale granite]

I started on Apple BASiC, but never made anything remotely decent until I got my hands on Hypercard later on (1990 or so)

[dusty tusk]

Wife and I are currently trying to claw our way out of web dev hell, oof that's a black hole

[wanton sun]

interesting. I'm wondering why so many games use undefined RDP commands. Maybe i did some mistake or a lot of games have a bug in the RDP DMA handling

more likely i did something wrong 😅

[orchid nimbus]

it doesn't show how many games

[vapid hawk]

good morning !

[orchid nimbus]

it just shows a breakdown

[wanton sun]

the list above says 71 games

[orchid nimbus]

oh I was looking at the graph alone

[wanton sun]

but maybe the error codes are old from the time where not all RDP commands where implemented

[orchid nimbus]

too lazy to scroll up

let me check

[dusty tusk]

That's nearly a quarter of the games so not a bad sample size

[orchid nimbus]

yes

[wanton sun]

@tawdry depot as you seem experienced with excel...any way to get a list of games that have a specific error or is that too much work?

[orchid nimbus]

the error codes there are not the latest ones

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit?pli=1#gid=0

here is the sheet

[dusty tusk]

I'm curious what check banjo tooie is failing that the crack corrects

[daring meteor]

Some pif thing

[tawdry depot]

I just break the bits out into an array for each row. Check your DMs, just sent a link to my working copy.

It's only for the USA games right now

[orchid nimbus]

the 11 is a comibation of 2 errors with a space to 5 long

so most are not updated

@tawdry depot to be honest - the USA collection is good enough for now

it has a pretty good overview on what seems to be missing/broken

[tawdry depot]

@wanton sun here is a snapshot of all games that games the raise a bit 10 error.

[orchid nimbus]

@echos are error codes updated - and how long is 'testing' normally?

[trim seal]

Don't know if it's related or helpful, but Mortal Kombat Trilogy hangs predictably in the exact same spot - when Kitana's bio is coming on screen, regardless of if her bio is first or after a bunch of others.

[orchid nimbus]

just trying to get a feel for how reliable they are

[tawdry depot]

I was talking to @hollow rune about that earlier. I was going through and updating some of the older tested cores.

[orchid nimbus]

I saw that

[tawdry depot]

I don't think much has changed in terms of the error bits, other than more bits being added.

Just need to add bitwise OR to sum up error codes

[orchid nimbus]

that's not what I'm talking about

[tawdry depot]

The error codes are only as accurate as the people updating the spreadsheet

[orchid nimbus]

error codes might have changed as a lot of RDP has been added

I understand that

[tawdry depot]

In my tests earlier, I cleared them out if unable to reproduce

[orchid nimbus]

currently all the error codes that are 4 and 5 long should be suspect

just how old those are

[tawdry depot]

Yea, it's probably going to take a bit more work when people check new builds

[orchid nimbus]

I know 🙂

@wanton sun the overview is nice but does not represent the state of the current core

(for those who want to mess around on the sheet make sure you copy/paste it to a 'local' workbook)

maybe add a flag on old reviews

re-testing requested

[latent galleon]

i mean a hell of a lot has changed in a short amount of time

[orchid nimbus]

if error codes are that important

I'm not trying to minimize all the work the testers do (it's been a great thing to see)

but sometimes data needs to be taken as a whole

[wanton sun]

it's not that important, i was just curious because of the high number for a case that should basically never happen

i still need to work on reducing the error flags to appear at all before

[latent galleon]

@wanton sun i was asking earlier how much you have left to do before what's left is a bug? outside of TLB i mean

[wanton sun]

still at least 2 months(without tlb)

[orchid nimbus]

wow

that's less than half of the prediction earlier (6 months)

[wanton sun]

things to do now will get more and more complicated

[latent galleon]

a) congrats and b) that is when the real hunt will begin!

[orchid nimbus]

FPGAZumScottieMontgomery

😄

[daring meteor]

TLB for Xmas anybody?

[wanton sun]

it doesn't mean all features are in then! it's mostly when i can be sure e.g. if drawing is wrong in a game and no error flag comes up, it's a bug and not a missing feature

[orchid nimbus]

Yoshi's island is completable 😄

[tawdry depot]

@wanton sun for the github build action, could we have the build statics of fabric utilization included in the artifact?

[wanton sun]

amount of logic % used?

[latent galleon]

although the winking star with divot enabled was probably something

[wanton sun]

it doesn't really fit to the release notes

[tawdry depot]

Not the release notes, just the build log in the github action

It's more of a technical curiosity

[wanton sun]

i'm not sure what you mean. The release is not autobuilded, i just upload a rbf and add some release notes

each build can have severe timing issues, so i handpick a build i would upload, so with a larger audience we will not have some de10-nanos running the core unstable because of too high slacks

[latent galleon]

i should hope so

[daring meteor]

Is that why the seed gets changed every now and than?

[wanton sun]

yes, i want you to run a build that is made for 82-85mhz and not one that only can do 70-75. For me those "slow builds" seem to run just fine, but with more boards there is a much higher chance one fails

[latent galleon]

i wonder if those ai services that do like hundreds of builds in the cloud to predict success work

[inner garden]

@wanton sun In Yoshi’s Story Shy Guy Limbo level there’s these water drop guess and they all have diagonal rows of missing pixels

I barely caught one here in the corner

[wanton sun]

i have no idea what the reason is, sorry

[latent galleon]

oh right

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[inner garden]

just informing

[latent galleon]

i dunno if that is anything either

but divot erases half a star face

[wanton sun]

the star in mario64 i already found and added to my to-do list. It's not a divot bug itself, but the RDP doing coverage information wrong

i assume those sprites are done via copy mode and that probably destroys the 9th memory bit that is used for coverage

[woeful beacon]

It's cool when you come through and explain things. Really awesome as a bystander. Keep up the good work!

[cerulean elk]

I think you deserve a break. You’ve been providing too much lol.

[wanton sun]

i will take a break today...just after this little change 🙂

i can't remember who posted the bug entry of Ares for this game recently, but thank you very much!

[vapid hawk]

is that body harvest ?

[wanton sun]

the issue is that body harvest does read the pad constantly and this will slow the game down if the pad responds too fast

i made a option to slow it down like real hardware does and it runs stable 20 fps

[vapid hawk]

nice

[wanton sun]

before it was 4-6

[vapid hawk]

kinda similar to the pad-timing stuff for all the psx pads ?

[wanton sun]

yes

always loved this game, it's like GTA with Aliens. The size of the worlds and the amount of freedom is outstanding even for N64

[vapid hawk]

yeah it seems way ahead of its time

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun didn't say this - but thanks for fixing Yoshi's Story - I know people don't like this game but I was looking forward to play it

[brisk edge]

body harvest is a pretty neat game but the later levels get pretty bullshit lol good luck if you end up playing it all the way through

[vapid hawk]

probably would be a good one for cheats

[wanton sun]

i was never able to beat it. In the PAL version you cannot even choose easy for the full game, you have to go with the normal difficulty. But this time i will! (maybe)

[storm vessel]

It is? It crashes for me after the RARE logo. ;_;

[left depot]

Developed by DMA design, later rebadged as "Rockstar Games"

[vapid hawk]

its kind of arguably the first 3d gta game

in a way

[storm vessel]

I liked their name as DMA. Doesn't Mean Anything. 😄

[languid dune]

Looks like I'll be harvesting some bodies tomorrow! 😏

[latent galleon]

In Star Fox 64, 0x00 and 0x01 commands are sent alternately, with intervals varying between 1ms and 20ms.

that seemed odd to me when i read that

0x00 is just controller info request, and 1ms is very fast

like yes, still an n64 controller plugged in, stop asking 0x50002

[wanton sun]

slow compared to what body harvest does 😅

it's more in the 1 us range

basically every response seems to trigger a new request already

very useful to have fastest pad response times with a game running at 20 fps, haha

seems playable 🙂

[latent galleon]

i got my raspberry pico talking to my n64 controller last week...and knowing how it communicates i am surprised that works at all for body harvest

yeah once a frame should be it

it takes 32us to even send a request? 4us per bit

[wanton sun]

i'm still a bit unsure how all those games will behave if i made the PIF stall until the pad response is there. Asking 4 pads is like 120 us

it's 9 bits with stop, so should be around 36 per pad

[latent galleon]

oh right, the 9th bit

i send that and then wait for the controller to pull low and read the next 32 bits

it is crazy how fast it communicates for 1996

the controller responds like 1us after the stop bit, too

[daring meteor]

By the way

Found an easy bug

@wanton sun jeoprady doesn't work if 4 controllers are connected

And core forces 4 controllers atm

[wanton sun]

i tried to figure out how less controllers work, but didn't find it yet

i tried with project 64 and no matter what i send back from the controllers, always 4 are available in e.g. mario kart

[odd vector]

Someone was talking about jet force gemini yesterday, is it working now?

[wanton sun]

no

anyone has seen a software emulator where you can use less than 4 pads and the games show you have less than 4?

[odd vector]

Thanks for the quick answer 😁

Hm, never tried that. On real Hardware MK64 doesnt let you choose 4 player if you have only 2 controllers plugged in. Same as you stated above

[latent galleon]

you'd think that if it got no response back it wouldn't show a controller

[odd vector]

But what a weird bug, that jeopardy one

[daring meteor]

Yeah

[left depot]

Yes, Project 64

[wanton sun]

how do you set it up and which game to try?

i tried with the default controller plugin and mario kart, could start a 4 player game (with only 1 pad set to on)

[left depot]

I have only one pad set up and just booted Smash Bros

[latent galleon]

does the game say you have one pad?

[zinc dew]

Wow my first time being in this chat in the middle of the night (for me).

[latent galleon]

time zones are nuts!

[left depot]

Usually I use Mupen and all four players default to active but not on PJ64

[left depot]

Yes, one pad only

[night saddle]

im looking forward to trying that one finally also. added to the list to try one day a while ago, just didn't know it would be on MiSTer then lol

[vapid hawk]

new portal64 build https://github.com/lambertjamesd/portal64/releases/tag/v0.12.0

[wanton sun]

ok, will try it, thanks

[left depot]

Glad to help

[worldly quartz]

Was there a change in video output size? Banjo kazooie doesnt use full 4:3 on hdmi and more left

[left depot]

I was hyped to hear sound when starting up the new Portal Beta but sadly it cuts out when an input is registered

[worldly quartz]

It looks weird on my corio to crt now because of it

[wanton sun]

very early testbuild with the new padspeed = slow option. If you want, please go into debug menu and set "Pad Speed = Normal" and test if that still works fine with games using controllers, rumble and controller pak. Could also trigger all kind of other bugs

[worldly quartz]

Mario 64 is ok

[wanton sun]

It's normal, just centering is missing

[left depot]

I'm gonna try Portal lmao

[worldly quartz]

I thought my pi corio controller was bugging out

[solemn maple]

Will pad-speed have to be set manually?

[left depot]

Portal is still the same. What bizarre default controls the dev has enabled. Grammatical errors too 😦

[vapid hawk]

the controls are fully mappable

idk what pad the defaults are meant for but its weird yeah

[left depot]

Only settings are "Normal" and "Fast"... With "Fast" enabled, music plays for Portal until an input is performed. With "Normal" enabled, nothing plays.

[latent galleon]

what is normal vs fast, the PIF blocking?

[quick arch]

@vapid hawk do you know what kind of save type is used on Portal n64 demake ?

[vapid hawk]

err, he made a vid about this

[quick arch]

because the DB doesn't set the save type

[vapid hawk]

SRAM i think?

[quick arch]

I will check !

[vapid hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZRgn3erphI

think it was this vid where he discusses it

[craggy ginkgo]

I've been trying out the Diddy Kong Racing romhack by FazanaJ that several people have posted in here. I've noticed that many of the VI options don't do anything, most notably the "VI Dedither" so i get a speckled background. I'm running the latest core and i didn't test this previously. the issue does not occur on the normal Diddy Kong Racing game - just the romhack. Any ideas?

[vapid hawk]

maybe try it on ares and see if it happens there? maybe the romhack dev turned it off

[weary palm]

It's because the game detects that it's running in an emulator, so some options are disabled. I got it working correctly by disabling the emulator check routine, but I'm not home to share my findings.

[quick arch]

yes it is SRAM 32KB i will propose a PR

[vapid hawk]

its actually kinda nice there's a bug in it

since its open source, should make it easier to work out whats going on with the core

[quick arch]

PR proposed and test save is ok.
52b452f7c07cb9f9734d98c203244ce1 ntsc|cic6102|sram32k # Portal (0.11) >

[weary palm]

Looks like Portal 64 uses an Everdrive header so it should work with latest MiSTer unstable + N64-database_new.txt

...renamed to N64-database.txt

[left depot]

Is that an MD5? It does not match my Portal build as of this evening.

[quick arch]

head -c 4096 Portal\ 64\ (v0.12)\ (Hack).z64 | md5sum
52b452f7c07cb9f9734d98c203244ce1

or maybe I didn't patch it well ...

[vapid hawk]

shouldn't we just put the id in now instead of the md5?

so we dont have to keep updating it

[weary palm]

It'll match on ID:_ED_3_ sram32k|cpak|rpak

[left depot]

When I check I get d17ac58b39937671e80eb9061b3bf4b0

[quick arch]

so it is my file portal_pak_000.vpk
2c92b8e597e4a8c51a5f49225b98ec82 portal_pak_000.vpk

by ID it will be less difficult 😅

[left depot]

My vpk matches yours... strange

[quick arch]

d17ac58b39937671e80eb9061b3bf4b0 if you md5 the whole file

on my side I md5 just 4096 first bytes

both work

[odd vector]

I know that accuracy is not the main goal, but is there already any data how accurate the core is currently compared to real hw? Or is it only possible to tell when it‘s in release state

[little socket]

With ys now working, anyone willing to test mortal kombat trilogy? There sometimes was a small portion of the floor having similar rendering issues

[lilac kettle]

Hello there, I tried to patch sm64 with the no face patch and the link pinned here (With us rom and patch), and it result with "a bad crc". I wondered if I have to choose a particular rom or extension to be working ? Thanks for the help

[daring meteor]

You need z64

[tacit belfry]

M

[vapid hawk]

there's a lot of n64 test roms you could run for comparison

[lilac kettle]

Its working, thanks a lot !😁

[weary palm]

The way Robert has implemented aspect ratio switching in the newest core, you'll have to add a new line to your MiSTer.ini

128:15 should work.

[vapid hawk]

was rogue squadron working before today?

i seem to recall it used to crash really fast

[manic basin]

Nice, sound works! I just saw the video hit....cool stuff!

Oh, spoke too soon. It starts now, but still cuts out whenever any sound plays. Probably already discussed in the thread.

Yep. @left depot clocked it.

[quick arch]

yes the title screen have issues but in game it is very playable

[coral timber]

You mean the most recently released one or the next in line? Because it's been working fine for me so far without changing the Mister.ini

[limber willow]

Yoshi's Story is fixed!
Just had a great time playing it thanks!

[native mesa]

I never had any crashes with it

Or maybe I'm thinking of Shadows of the Empire

[vapid hawk]

rogue squadron is the factor5 one

[native mesa]

I love the project but that guys videos are so verbose without saying much

[vapid hawk]

er yeah a bit

i don't really mind since it means you see more footage of the game

[native mesa]

I guess. Have you tried it on mister yet? It's fun

[vapid hawk]

i've played it a bit on real hardware

apparently the sound breaks on mister

[native mesa]

Oh I thought sound just wasn't implemented yet 😝

Does it use mp3?

[zinc dew]

Why are y’all still up, go to bed!

[quaint pewter]

I know know who else but PCN and myself are in the UK I'll have you know.

LOL it's not our bedtime it's going on for lunch.

[native mesa]

I did go to bed. This is morning!

[red blade]

I'm in the UK! Wish I wasn't at times.

[quaint pewter]

I hear that... I know what you mean.

[native mesa]

Been in bed for 2 days what's a good tv show or movie to watch

Tetris was good

[bronze tree]

Seinfeld

[nimble needle]

Our Flag Means Death

[rose elbow]

trying to finish the quiz area in banjo again as prep for Banjo Tooie. it's still objectively terrible

cheating this time with a list of answers open 🙏

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUU...

[hot spoke]

I can't remember that part very good but aren't the answers different on every run?

I'm too late 😅

[native mesa]

I was interested until waititi. I'm waititi'd out

[rose elbow]

the questions about the witch are. but not all of them

Treasure Trove Cove's got a treasure hunt, how many X's, you little runt?
Treasure Trove Cove is easy for sure, How many Jigsaws open its door?

this is romhack kaizo level shit where it's like.. clearly the devs who spent months working on the game know this stuff

madness. sorry all, just had to rant again

objectively bad

[nimble needle]

Ha fair enough. Been watching The Bear too

Did I read earlier that Banjo Tooie can be patched to work?

[rose elbow]

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[hot spoke]

It works since a few weeks with the Everdrive patch

[nimble needle]

Didn’t know that. Cheers!

[quaint pewter]

I'm going to wait til the core passes the piracy check. I still have so many other games to play more. 🙂

[junior yarrow]

Banjo tooie can be played in all its 15 frames per second glory

[quaint pewter]

I'm just happy that Blast Corps is running now. I love that game even though I'm terrible at it. Houses go boom.

[junior yarrow]

The Shadow of the Colossus of the N64

[rose elbow]

i was playing around with Perfect Dark and Banjo Tooie yesterday on real hardware N64 and shocked at how poor the performance is

Goldeneye 64 and Banjoe Kazooie never dared go that low

[quaint pewter]

They pushed the hardware. but the hardware pushed back even harder. 🙂

[junior yarrow]

Banjo tooie is impressive with just the scale of everything

But the system just gave up

[rose elbow]

bad designers

[quaint pewter]

That's a hot take, talking about Ultimate/RARE

[rose elbow]

🤷‍♂️

its the same N64 hardware for earlier games as the later games. they shouldn't have pushed the hardware if it means the games run poorly

[hearty oar]

It's not like Ocarina of Time, one of the most highly regarded games of all time also didn't frequently dip below 20fps

[rose elbow]

even Banjo Kazooie doesn't

if that's a hot take then i guess it's a hot take, but i stand by it aha. i felt that way as a kid too

[quaint pewter]

I think the generation didn't have much time left so they were up against the clock to get games out, or have them cancelled or moved to Gamecube? Who knows. But I loved the Stamper games on the Speccy when I was a teen so RARE have a softspot will me for that reason. 🙂

Banjo 1 I loved but to be honest I've even played the sequel.

[rose elbow]

it's just specifcally the later era N64 games i have an issue with, overall i love Rare

hol' up. you're defending a game you've not played??

[hot spoke]

Maybe the MiSTer N64 core generates enough interest for ROM hackers to create patches that optimize performance for some of the games.

[rose elbow]

it's possible .. i'm very curious about where this MiSTer core goes and what it can do

the Perfect Dark performance patch is already way nicer to play than the unpatched game

[junior yarrow]

I think that people would be more likely to just play the XBLA versions of the games

[quaint pewter]

a lot of untapped potential in N64. Even Mario64 doesn't run as well as it should. it had debug stuff left in? and rom hackers have got it to 60fps now with optimisations etc.

[hearty oar]

yep, they didn't compile with optimisation compiler flags, there is a patch that is literally just the decomp recompiled with the -O2 flag that alone increases the performance by a good amount

[quaint pewter]

Was it a case of it being hard to dev for like PS3 due to complicated hardware, or did that generation of consoles not last long enough to plumb all it's secrets....

[junior yarrow]

I think that some of the crappy performance plays a part of the charm of some old n64 games for my part

[hearty oar]

well the Mario 64 case at least I'm pretty sure was just Nintendo being completely unfamiliar with programming a game in C and not assembly, at least at first

[hot spoke]

Then I guess I'm not among those people. I love the 360 Banjo but it's just not the same as playing on N64

[quaint pewter]

RARE Replay is awesome, but playing as God (Shigsy) intended is also awesome. 🙂

[hot spoke]

I’ve got the latest core downloaded and I noticed that the hdmi feed out of the mister looks good, but the analog signal out into my RetroTink 5x has pretty significant amounts of color banding. Not sure why. Does that check out for anyone else?

[native mesa]

Can you take a photo

[solemn marlin]

Got mario kart amped up to work, pretty amped up about it

[rose elbow]

it's very fun!!!

i also just beat the Gruntilda's Quiz.. i take back all bad things i was just saying about Rare

[solemn marlin]

Just gotta take notes of that hot witch gossip you get from her sister

[rose elbow]

nice of them to reveal that right at the very end of the game!!

[solemn marlin]

It's a little thing called immaculate game design... gotta find more cool mk64 patches tho, it's literally the only thing I play casually now but tired of the same stages

[hot spoke]

It’s no problem, but I won’t be able to get to it for a day or so.

[wanton sun]

no, it's only for testing now. If it works stable, i will make the normal speed standard and leave the other only for debugging or remove it fully

[wanton sun]

fast is more or less as before, normal is 32us per controller byte response, about what real hardware/snac would have

[native mesa]

Is this the reason for the fast banker numbers up in MM

[quaint pewter]

another Portal64 update. 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAkSHzR-P7M

[vapid hawk]

been playing a variety of games on "normal" controller speed, didn't see any issues

[wanton sun]

thank you!

[solemn marlin]

I'm playing with the xbox one controller, suddenly the z trigger was mapped to L trigger which is good, couldn't map anything to that before

[fair stump]

Would anyone mind testing xg2 with the normal controller speed? That game has messed up controls currently

[hollow rune]

I can

[hollow rune]

Though I am ot sure what zou mean about normal controller speed

[fallen sparrow]

Mickey's Speedway is excellent, I never knew this, up until I just played it, just now.

Skids feel great

[rose elbow]

similar boat. i feel it's one of those games if i saw it at the rental store or something my eyes must've diverted straight past it because of the Mickey mouse box art or something but it's way better than you'd expect.

[hollow rune]

Oh there is something very wrong with Extreme-G XG2

Doesn't work with 8bitdo with X-Input via Bluetooth
Will try some other stuff

It seems like the inputs aren't able to be held

Same with 8bitdo wired

[fair stump]

Yeah, in my experience it's like ever button press is happening at least twice

[hollow rune]

That feels like it could also be the case

[fair stump]

There's a build Robert put in the channel here that reduces the controller polling or something like that

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[hollow rune]

I will give it a whirl

I got strudel and a dream

[fair stump]

That sounds amazing

[rose elbow]

i also personally appreciate they put in options to turn off the racer dialogue :D

[fallen sparrow]

Damn I didn't see that. I just found the skip story option in DK64. Rare were definitely ahead of their time as far as QoL went.

[hollow rune]

It is a pretty game Extreme-G XG2

Somebody waited their whole lives to make that menu

[wanton sun]

Pal version seems to control fine now, didn't try NTSC yet

[fallen sparrow]

Definitely would have looked a kiddie cash grab

[hollow rune]

works perfectly with the speedpad build

[fair stump]

Awesome! Thanks for checking

[hollow rune]

You can actually charge the shots, which I didn't realize you could do with the other build

[wanton sun]

works 🙂

completly forgot there was this issue. Maybe this racing game with controller pak issues is also fixed

ok, it's not...

[fair stump]

I don't think I can recall any other instances of games with similarly stiff controls

[hollow rune]

yeah I haven't run into that before

[pale granite]

Fifa 96 Japanese works for a but then freezes

it's weird because the game seems to keep going (sound) but the image is frozen

[daring meteor]

RDP bugs are RDP bugs

[pale granite]

yep, just flagging it to help fill the spreadsheet

[hollow rune]

Do you have access to the sheet?

[pale granite]

not to edit

[hollow rune]

let me see if I can make that happen

if you request access someone should be able to grant it

[candid copper]

wearing this shirt today

[paper orchid]

shake shake

[pine apex]

Now GT 64 with pad speed :normal runs 15fps

[hasty kayak]

Hold on FIFA 96? Don't you mean FIFA 98 as FIFA 96 never came out on N64?

[hasty kayak]

GT64 runs like shite on a Real N64. Very Low Framerate and one of the reasons I hate that game!

[north lagoon]

I'm interesting in FPGA programming but i'm a beginner. I would like to know if the analog video signal generated by the mister is :

1. The digital picture provided by core that mister scale and generate a PAL/NTSC signal
2. The core generate video analog signal with original dot clock and hsync/vsync signals, and the all this signals are directly output to the signal connector (scart for example)?

[pale granite]

oops yes 98

[daring meteor]

Usually its 2

On N64 rn its not 2, it uses the wrong dot clock

But its gonna use correct dot clock eventually

[oblique remnant]

I guess some of you noticed it already. A small display bug at the TV Screen popup in Blast Corps when the instructor speaks. Anyway still hyped that this Game works now 🙂

[viral swift]

There is another bug in blast corps

If you try to control that stomping robot thing it starts to reverse it's direction

If you tap the stick slightly everything works fine

There must be a buffer which starts overflowing and becomes a signed value

[weary perch]

oh shoot, i'm incredibly glad that Ares github issue helped. you are a wizard!

[wanton sun]

did you check with a padtest that your pad really has a range of 85? this sounds like the same thing buck bumble has with 127 range pads or missing mister main adjustment

[pulsar topaz]

What’s the best Bluetooth dongle to use with the switch n64 controller please

[cold pollen]

Any compatible dongle I imagine?

[manic basin]

I found something odd. It's not a core bug, but it only happens with the core because of the output. My Samsung Q80T (sucks, do not recommend) dejitter (lfr compensation) in game motion plus causes huge purple artifacts to appear every few frames in very specific areas and with blur features on. It is common enough that it has some forum posts for modern games, but the resolution makes it super subtle. It's really interesting that the VI features cause it so reliably, though. This tv is a pile. I guess I have to use the core as an excuse to upgrade since it's my wife's favorite system. Or just keep the jank setting turned off in the tv. But....still.....

[manic basin]

Go with one of the tested compatible ones from known resellers and you'll be fine. As long as it has Linux support and it's based off of a known good chipset you should get decent results.

Some people have better luck with a usb extender (me included) for keeping the signal strong as the power sandwich and/or case can attenuate the signal a bit. So I generally recommend that if you're further than 6 feet from your MiSTer. But it's probably not necessary for most.

[native mesa]

Would you call it a dongle dongle?

[manic basin]

Double Dongle Donned for Donkey Kong

[languid dune]

I double dong dare you!

Or something to that affect.

[manic basin]

Key stuck....stuck! ssssssssssssstuck!

Ralphie would play wired

[native mesa]

Dongle kongle

[languid dune]

So I take it the Body Harvest update has issues since it was only uploaded within the channel and not to test builds?

[native mesa]

A test test

[viral swift]

Using the NSO here 😅

[languid dune]

I would like to shake shake your hand. 🍻

[manic basin]

Was that the slow pad update?

[languid dune]

I believe so. The one he mentioned last night.

[manic basin]

Cool cool. I'm on mobile for a little bit so discord is....sort of locked in the present for me.

Thanks!

[languid dune]

I saw that he posted it earlier, but since it never made it to test builds, it seems to be more unstable than usual.

[languid dune]

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[manic basin]

Ok, so it's probably for the frame rate, not the color issues. Sweet, thanks!

[languid dune]

Yeah, it makes it run at 20fps as apposed to...5 fps.

Now get to capturing that footage for Awbacon!

(brings out the whip)

[pulsar topaz]

Am I doing something wrong as I cannot get the switch n64 controller to move forward and back on the analogue

Left and right work fine

[mild ether]

Try reconfiguring it in the MiSTer main menu. I had that problem too.

[languid dune]

Did you set it up first in the main OSD?

I see I am the slowpoke once again.

[pulsar topaz]

Let try that, I’m sure I did that

[mild ether]

If you don't hit the tilt down just right it messes it up.

[mild ether]

Wisco teamwork. 👊

[languid dune]

Can't get that in Chicago!

I still say we need a slowpoke pokemon emoji for moments like this!

[smoky cipher]

I must pair my switch 64 controller everytime I power on the mister. Any solution?

[languid dune]

It shouldn't need to. I wonder if it has anything to do with your blutooth dongle?

[smoky cipher]

Only happens with switch controllers

[languid dune]

All Switch controllers? Not just the N64 one?

[smoky cipher]

Snes also

[languid dune]

I wonder if they're still paired to the Switch or something?

[smoky cipher]

Only paired with the mister and it works well until reboot

[fair stump]

That is an issue with the nso controllers currently

[languid dune]

Strange. I have 2 N64, 1 SNES, and 1 Genesis NSO controller. And they all connect immediately with a single press of any button on the controller.

I've never had to re-pair any of them.

[fair stump]

I've seen plenty of people mention it

[smoky cipher]

I have a wifi-bluetooth dongle from amazon.

[languid dune]

That could be it? Mine is just a bluetooth dongle. My internet is hardwired to my MiSTer.

[smoky cipher]

It work ok with 8bitdo controllers

[orchid nimbus]

thanks for everyone who is testing

when entering errors please do not do this

0080000 | 0080040 | 0080045

instead of this use only 0080045

as it has the most bits active

[fair stump]

I have seen certain positions flip between multiple values but that's not a big deal currently I'd think

[hasty kayak]

I have an ASUS one which is recommended that works great for most controllers. The only thing I have issues with is the 8BitDo N64 Mod Kit in NSO Mode...

[languid dune]

Mine says ZEXMTE, and it has never failed me.

[spare meadow]

@wanton sun There are games that need the memory pak to save game progress but are compatible with rumble too. Is there possible to the core have an option for memory pak+rumble?
Back in the 1997, I only had the memory pak but I think there was a thing called Tremor Pak that works as a rumble pak and a memory pak.
Thanks for the great core and sorry for my english

[native mesa]

Tremor pak had a toggle switch

You can only have one or the other

[daring meteor]

Yeah it was a button

[fallen sparrow]

I can't believe how well Borderlands 3 runs on the Switch. The graphics scale down and make it look like an N64 game though.

[manic basin]

Yeths mahsta! </PeterLorre>

[dreamy kayak]

Wish it wasn't $80 T_T

[manic basin]

I may be misremembering, but a few games let you use a memory pak in an unused controller as well, didn't they? I only had a few games so I may have just made it up in my dumbpudding.

[native mesa]

Yeah

Pretty sure you can choose any pak in perfect dark

[fallen sparrow]

Damn switch tax, it'll likely drop in price

[dreamy kayak]

I really enjoyed 1 through Pre-Sequel on the switch.

[fallen sparrow]

Borderlands are fun games. I think 2 will always be my favourite

[plush summit]

I honestly dropped out of Borderlands after they were obssessed with Handsome Jack

[fallen sparrow]

I didn't really get into the pre-sequel

But he's so handsome

[plush summit]

He's so awful as a villain, I couldn't stand him lol

[fallen sparrow]

Gotcha

Borderlands 64 when?

[modern sleet]

@wanton sun was curious so I started checking more of the scaling of games, and to see why Banjo and others may be off center, then saw the horror that is RE2....

Every screen change in RE2 slaps is some random new resolution / scale haha

That total lines of 157 was during a FMV

[fallen sparrow]

That's true horror

[left depot]

Better spoken than many English speakers that should apologize for how dumb they sound 🤣

[zealous hull]

We should just replace RE2.z64 with an MGL that points toward the PSX version.

[left depot]

And not be able to change the blood color? 🤔

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-now-gif-14938794

The fact you have gotten this far is amazing

Only programming I can do is change hello world to goodbye cruel world

[modern sleet]

Another note for Banjo is the scaling as I mentioned a while back, just for a reference in the future.
Its vertical lines / pixels are different from the majority of cores but the scaling is the same. Typically games adjust for scaling to accomodate it seems like.. but maybe banjo is unique somehow?

[topaz otter]

Remember re2 is the "miracle" game, it should not even run on the N64 at all

The PlayStation version with two CD-ROMs of up to 700 MB per disc was faithfully replicated (with unique enhancements) on a 64 MB Nintendo 64 Game Pak.

So God only knows what they did to this game to get it to run

[modern sleet]

Here is the FMV on HDMI vs Analog, Analog out is more what it looks like on the real console

Just some data points for future fixes 🙂

[remote hatch]

that's why I wrote recently that RE2 looks great on CRT , but not because I've never seen the game on CRT in my life but the N64 version looks much better right now on CRT 🙂

and transitions between screens are not so annoying

[native mesa]

Some janky compression method maybe?

[wanton sun]

scaling of 0x200 ist best because it's 2.0x, so most sharp you can get. can even turn off bilinear there. If they would have scaled it 2.2x or so to fill the screen it would look bad

[wanton sun]

not really, more like i posted it here so if did break a lot of stuff accidentially then it wouldn't influence everyone

as it seems stable with "normal speed" controller response, it will be most likely default in the next build

[uncut gyro]

When I was working on it, there were no ads beyond the branded media buttons on the remote and the default apps. In 2014, most people didn’t connect their smart TVs to WiFi — a lot just used ATSC and a separate media device. webOS was a Palm invention, the tech stack was set long before I got there to try and get the product engineering to be reasonably efficient.

back then, they were losing about a dollar per phone sold and margins on even high-end TVs were trending the same way. I have a lot of empathy for anyone trying to amortize their amazing R&D outcomes when someone can undercut/outspend you with little/no R&D.

[orchid nimbus]

@uncut gyro correct - I don't have to connect it to my WiFi and that's exactly what I'm doing 😄

[uncut gyro]

I’m no great defender of any employer I’ve had, and not even necessarily products that shipped with my involvement. But implying “120hz BFI and OLED” is somehow free R&D and manufacturing bringup/scaling that no one needs to ultimately pay for is a Very Interesting take.

[orchid nimbus]

the reason why my LGs aren't connected to Wifi is because they drop their connection after 5 minutes

that's all 🙂 - no clue why as I have pretty much a mesh network

I guess it's build on java

[uncut gyro]

cool story bro.

[orchid nimbus]

yup - run my own DHCP/NAT and use my routers just as forwarders

no need for all the fancy newfangled spyware build in stuff

but it uses the cloud!!!!

[uncut gyro]

I’m happy that you feel accomplished and for all you do for the MiSTer community 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

I don't feel accomplished at all

[uncut gyro]

You should — your attention to detail and clear documentation is the glue that helps the value of MiSTer reach hundreds (thousands?) more people than it would have otherwise

anyway, way off topic. Popping back to top of stack: Spreadsheet and SQL sk1llz are useful and good, even for the hyper-technical asm programmers out there 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

hey I might sounds like a pompous a-hole - but I get why companies do what they do - profit margins are so tight that they need to find all the ways they can the monetize on their products - some companies are in trouble and you can tell because all of a sudden they seem to flip a switch taking away the user freedom. LG has not do that so far. My WyzeCams on the other hand have done this and I replaced them with a company that's not so secretive about their goals 😉

[eternal ravine]

@topaz otter
I don't know all the details, but the FMVs are like 80x60 in size in RE2
That would help save some space

[topaz otter]

Interesting

[uncut gyro]

reminds me of that tool that converted FLCs/AVIs to ANSI animations back in ~1991 or so. It worked amazingly well in 80x50 text mode

[orchid nimbus]

Big Buck Bunny doesn't show anything - just the music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE7VzlLtp-4

[uncut gyro]

hopefully Framework eventually starts making TVs, that would be fucking cool.

[orchid nimbus]

@uncut gyro but Louis Rossmann said ...... 😄 lol

[uncut gyro]

dunno who that is. getting this kind of image processing inventory on OpenCores seems quite feasible, just based on that community’s own velocity, but also seeing what Mike Chi is able to accomplish

[eternal ravine]

@topaz otter
I was just kidding, but they seem that chunky

[orchid nimbus]

oh he's a big right to repair lobby dude who hates New York

[eternal ravine]

Can someone explain WTH is Tonic Trouble
It starts with a sled game and then becomes free roaming?

I also played Yoshi N64 and enjoyed it more than expected. Some of those graphics are so nice
Still confused by the default placement of the fruit meter

N64 has some weird-ass games

[orchid nimbus]

Berney must die

[topaz otter]

Rossman is an apple mac repairman who lives in new York and bitches about it constantly

He makes YouTube vids

[eternal ravine]

I think he left NYC and now bitches about trying to escape

Isn't he in TX now?

NorthridgeFix is my fave YT repair channel

[topaz otter]

Probably, I think new yawk made a sport out of playing games with his biz license

Because he doesn't know how to shut up and they didn't like it

[daring meteor]

Is big buck bunny E4000

[eternal ravine]

Northridge gets a lot of use out of thermal imaging and seems to be able to fix all sorts of items

He has his father working on the disassembly, reassembly side

Big Boss

[orchid nimbus]

he's in Austin now

[uncut gyro]

Complains about… Open Cores? Framework? LG? I’ve lost the thread 😉

[orchid nimbus]

he compalins about NY

[topaz otter]

His claim to fame is showing just how badly apple laptops are designed.

[orchid nimbus]

and the commercial real-estate business

[topaz otter]

So he complains about that

[orchid nimbus]

and the anti right to repair movement

I actually like the dude and his complaints

I also know a mod for his channel

the mod is a professor designing stuff - pretty cool dude called TerribleFire

[topaz otter]

He's a pretty stand up guy as far as I know, his videos are always interesting

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.google.com/search?q=TerribleFire

helped with the MiST and stuff as well

[visual mortar]

Hello guys, any idea why rumble pak just working in switch mode but no in d-input?

I use n64 8bitdo modkit

[solemn marlin]

Which patcher did you use to patch perfect dark?

[fair stump]

I think that's just how it currently is

Maybe someone with the modkit here can confirm

[visual mortar]

Yes maybe,but switch mode is very unstable

[chrome quest]

@wanton sun Ping just incase you missed this regression.
"F1 Racing Championship (Europe)" is no longer playable. Only noticed a few days ago but I went through the cores.
Playable on N64_20230916
Crash on showing boot title screen since N64_20230917

[uncut gyro]

Oh neat, I’m a big fan of the Amiga accelerator scene even though I never had an Amiga growing up. Seeing the Vampire modules definitely fired me up about FPGA and OpenCores. I tried founding a company around OpenCores to accelerate the creation of OpenWRT-based devices to commoditize network appliance customization. I was just too early and couldn’t get capital. Now that I can self-capitalize, my interests are elsewhere (XR)

[orchid nimbus]

I never had any interest of starting a company - the risk of being bankrupted by a 'customer' is just too big in the US. Even if you do everything flawlessly there will always be 1 person who will see an opporunity to take everything you've been working for

and I honestly just don't want to deal with it

[chrome quest]

Someone's filtered the spreadsheet again
(Perhaps to no effect, I thought I was missing a game on the list, can't tell if anything is actually being filtered at the moment)

[orchid nimbus]

I helped some dude out once with reinstalling his computer at is was infested with viruses and god knows what else - I told him he was going to lose all his dat that wasn't backed up. He said 'ok' and so I reinstalled all his crap and drivers. 2 weeks later he called furiously complaining about all sorts of stuff that had nothing do with me what I did..... told me he would sue me.... that was the last time I helped someone without them signing a stupid 'held harmless' clause.

[fair stump]

What game?

[chrome quest]

I was looking for Ridge Racer 64

[orchid nimbus]

there are 297 records there

[chrome quest]

Perhaps this does not exist! I was looking at old chat, can't even see the ROM

[orchid nimbus]

USA sheet

[chrome quest]

USA sheet. I guess they are all showing then, just that the "filters" have been enabled. False alarm

[fair stump]

RR64?

[chrome quest]

Ri..... Thanks!

[orchid nimbus]

ctrl-f is your friend

[fair stump]

I passed over it the first time I looked 😄

Just filter by title

[chrome quest]

Just checking games tested around the time of "F1 Racing Championship (Europe)" to see if there might be any other regressions. I'm not aware of any

[compact depot]

Never help random dudes

[zinc dew]

Damn look at those N64 prices lol

Game hunting in Tampa FL

[fair stump]

Somehow cheaper than that one VGE posted here

[zinc dew]

Yeah he’s in Chicago, while Midwest is generally cheaper it gets pricier in big cities

Tampa is much cheaper than Dallas for example, but only on the mundane

Rare commands rare prices no matter where you’re at

[tidal glade]

Why there is a paper with shadowgate 64 on it? It's a digital version?

[zinc dew]

The game wasn’t sealed so they didn’t want to put a sticker on it. Hence the note card and price tag.

[tidal glade]

Ow I see it now, thx for it

[zinc dew]

Round two!

[fair stump]

[wind helm]

Unfortunately, I cannot see the prices

[fair stump]

So if I buy every game in that case is it more expensive than a mister?

Quick glance it looks like easily yes

[modern sleet]

@wanton sun You probably already know this and its all elementary for you 🙃 but I thought I would share maybe a quick way to fix the centering. Difference of H_START, H_END then use 640 as the baseline to create an offset. E.g. 640 - the difference of (H_END - H_START)

Ill shut up about the analog stuff for now 🙂

[chilly ember]

I can't see how much superman 64 is

[zinc dew]

$16 lol

[remote hatch]

Good price for good game ♥️

[hexed knot]

Price for a game

[tepid gorge]

I have so many of those!

[fair stump]

Buy 4 copies

[fair stump]

Wonder what the trade in value for that would be

[zinc dew]

Should I buy it? Good stick

[zinc dew]

LOL

[native mesa]

If people are dumb enough to buy that shit then I guess those kind of stores deserve to stay in business

[zinc dew]

Damn should I not get it?

[native mesa]

Lol

Are you at DK Oldies or something?

[native mesa]

You're the only one putting in the work for us

[vapid hawk]

thats a reasonably rare color, i'd grab it

even if the sticks bad thats fixable

[zinc dew]

Damn I listened to @native mesa and said no!

I got a Saturn Mission Stick instead lol

[modern sleet]

I'm about 1/10000 as efficient as Robert, but I do what I can haha

[native mesa]

Well on the analog front.

I think someone helped out with the analog stuff on the PSX core too. At least early on

[zinc dew]

Ok I bought it. @vapid hawk never steers me wrong!

[thorn flax]

you ever used Buyee?

[topaz otter]

Fun fact you can strong arm the owner at these places because they'll tell you hey I can just sell them on ebay

Then you say then why are they still sitting here

[native mesa]

@zinc dew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L232PR3_5JA

[topaz otter]

It's how I paid 90 bucks for a crate of N64 games at trade it

And it wasn't third party trash either

I got Conker and paper mario and battle for naboo

The dude wanted to argue with me about it

[native mesa]

What do you mean like he regretted it after the sale?

[topaz otter]

He probably did but he wasn't moving them anyway when he wanted 90 bucks just for paper mario

[native mesa]

retro game resale is one of the biggest rackets right now\

[topaz otter]

It's just stupid, I told this dude how about you give me a price and I take what I want

[north lagoon]

I never understand this people finding console in the nature with lot of soil on it. I suspect them to take a console and to get it dirty themself to make a fake restoration video.

[native mesa]

I just assumed floods or something

Imagine all the n64s that died when the levy broke

[shrewd peak]

looks like it sat by the shoe rack

Im kinda surprised at the popularity of these console restoration videos for a while now

[north lagoon]

Even console that have been preserve in cupboard can have problem with rust so imagine a console that has spent weeks or months outside ... I don't believe this videos 😉

This is like people saving animals. They volontary put the animal in bad situation adn then recue him to make a btful video that will have very much view.

[elfin depot]

This read sold at game city as in good working order

[shrewd peak]

does it work?

[elfin depot]

It does after I resoldered the wires that were literally corroded right off, cleaned up all the metal, and replaced one of the bulbs.

[native mesa]

How do I get on this latest N64 database train?

[tawdry depot]

@hollow rune I've finalized the error formula for the spreadsheet. Let me know if you'd like me to add it to the public sheet

[elder glade]

Just replayed Yoshi's Story and I'm a disspointed 11-year old all over again

also damn that full N64 is strong

[cerulean elk]

its def no Yoshi's Island

[hollow rune]

I am actually not in charge of that. You'll need to run that by @worn delta

[elder glade]

cue me reading up on Yoshi's Story's scoring system to see if there was something I missed and coming to the same conclusion I reached back then

30 melons is always optimal

and max score on each level is pretty easy to reach but very time consuming

[worn delta]

Sorry, what is this error formula?

[native mesa]

Is the song that plays in Ikana Canyon the same that plays in Big Boo's Haunt?

[cerulean elk]

N64 vid is loose

[native mesa]

Does anyone else think it's messed up that the little girl made her teddy bear look like a Gibdo?

[uneven prawn]

What controllers are everyone using?

[vapid hawk]

mostly the retrobit tribute 2.4g

[zinc dew]

lol

[vapid hawk]

bit on the expensive side, i've seen worse though

[elder glade]

Region unlocked = we removed a tab

[zinc dew]

Yup!

[shrewd peak]

whoa

all cables??

[cerulean elk]

heavily modded....little snip here, little snip there

[vapid hawk]

all cables everywhere

[zinc dew]

ALL

[shrewd peak]

hot damn

[carmine kettle]

price are reasonable.

[shrewd peak]

God I'm glad mister exists

[native mesa]

Divot adds more blur than I expected

[cerulean elk]

it does a lot to clean up stray bits in the image

[arctic sky]

So I patch Mario 64 with no face and it still crashes right after start . I don’t know what I’m doing .

[zinc dew]

Sounds like it wasn’t patched correctly

[shrewd peak]

Which rom?

[zinc dew]

I’m guessing you used the wrong patch on the wrong game type, easy mistake to make actually

There’s so many variations of Mario 64 haha

[arctic sky]

Oh buddy .. Lol

[zinc dew]

I’m not being sarcastic just incase

[arctic sky]

I’m sure that’s what I’m doing

No intro rom right ?

[zinc dew]

Yeah

Lemme check the FAQ

[native mesa]

I think I found an error. Kotake calls Hylians humans

[zinc dew]

Use this link - #1096015979055697940 message

The top one I’m sure is for the plain US version

[arctic sky]

Ok thanks Robby

[solemn marlin]

Twine hi def mode looks like a trippy fever dream with red wireframes, pretty cool

[zinc dew]

Yeah my pleasure dude. Please let us know if that works!

[plush summit]

No Warrior64 no buy, I know what you have.

[hollow rune]

I wonder if it is in the 3DS version that way

[rose elbow]

🤓👆 i think MM has lots of references to humans as a means to distinguish from the other forms (deku, goron etc)

[eternal island]

my buddy seems to be better than me at pd and getting it to crash with the patched version

i played for a while but suck at the game

[plush summit]

Aren't MM folk Terminians?

[cold pollen]

I wish I had a pleasure dude

[eternal island]

he played a higher difficulty with lots of firing enemies and did well but made it crash often

[zinc dew]

LMAO

[eternal island]

game cant handle his skill

[vapid hawk]

are hylians human ?

[cold pollen]

No

[vapid hawk]

they look human

[cold pollen]

So do lots of things that aren't

[zinc dew]

they’re video game characters not real

[cold pollen]

Politicians

[vapid hawk]

i never really thought about this before lol

[rose elbow]

arent they all human and hylian and terminian is referring to where they're from 🤔

[cold pollen]

Sociopaths

Sorry I repeated that one

[vapid hawk]

yeah i thought hylia was a country

[cold pollen]

The real Hylia is inside of us

Like Inner Space

[rose elbow]

this is getting into like .. Hyrule Historia territory / timeline revisionism territory aha

[arctic sky]

So yeah I didn’t copy the patched Mario file over . It just sat in my folder . I’m playing now thanks Robby again

[dusty tusk]

Zelda has humans in it?

[rose elbow]

the game can't even keep its lore straight aha

[quaint pewter]

The Majora Effect? lol

Link used to read The Berenstein Bears. 🙂

[rose elbow]

huh maybe the zora's are humans too 🤔 now im especially confused LOL

[vapid hawk]

humanoid isn't the same as human

it just means 2 arms 2 legs iirc

[rose elbow]

humanish

[dusty tusk]

Nah, looks like hylians and humans are different

[tawdry depot]

It decodes the error code for each game and then allows filter and sumation

[rose elbow]

well i'll be !!!!

[worn delta]

We don't want anyone to filter the sheet as that is universal, if you are wanting to filter then you need to do that on a local copy

[vapid hawk]

sheets has a thing called views for that

you make a view then you can sort/group/filter etc it whatever since only you see it

[native mesa]

In majora's mask can you get deku nuts from the babas that stand up?

[weary palm]

Can't they all be humans, just different race?

[native mesa]

human is a race

[dusty tusk]

I think hylians are a superset of humans, like dwarves are a subset

[tawdry depot]

It's not specifically for filtering, it just breaks out all the error code bits so that you can copy and filter

[weary palm]

Human is a species?

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune is Body Harvest running faster now? Saw your comment

[languid dune]

In today's update. Runs at 20fps now!

It's not in test builds, but was posted earlier.

[cerulean elk]

There was an update today? Lol

I didn’t get home till 5 am and my dog woke me up at 7:15. I’ve barely kept up with anything

Can anyone help a very tired man with a time stamp for it? Lol

[languid dune]

@cerulean elk #1096015979055697940 message

[cerulean elk]

Awesome. We have another birthday to go to tonight and I barely even want to be awake right now 🤣

Wasn’t even hung over. Dog just insisted on starting her day at 7:15 and wouldn’t let me sleep lol

[languid dune]

Tell Pepsiman to keep that dog in check!

[cerulean elk]

That’s what I get to staying out that late. I knew the costs 🤣