Nintendo 64

[vapid hawk]

maybe that only works with sound

[wanton sun]

it's not that bad to build in, but i'm not sure about all those edge cases

[weary palm]

I think one of those colors have to be shared across all four palettes... so 13?

[wanton sun]

yes, i know NES cannot do it. I still would have prefered a free roaming yoshi game but all i got was croc. Even to this day, there is none

[orchid nimbus]

no love for Yoshi's story

[grave island]

Auto config is not working for the hacked rom of Perfect Dark. What settings do I need to change in the database?

[paper orchid]

Oh yeah, I had that issue

[rose elbow]

booting unhacked rom is a quick easy fix, and then boot the patched rom

[grave island]

Oh, thanks.

[paper orchid]

I'm using the updated database with the IDs in it; the patch changed the ID annoyingly

[vapid hawk]

oh i wondered why that wasn't hitting

can we get its new id added to the db ?

[paper orchid]

So to that, I'm going to suggest we don't add that ID, and for good reason

They used ED, which is...the one that ares set aside for "EverDrive". A lot of homebrew might hit the same one.

This is a case where I would say we do MD5 instead of ID

[orchid nimbus]

@grave island mirror the settings already there - the text is human readable

you can also create a custom user database

I need to rewrite this stuff

"kindly place"

..... I sound like some scammer from India there

"kindly place the baby in the crib"

[paper orchid]

"would you kindly"

inb4 someone ports bioshock to n64

[daring meteor]

Kindly send us the bank password

[weary palm]

I should just make a new patch where the id is restored...

[paper orchid]

That's always an option too

[orchid nimbus]

This file represents a collaborative effort involving the following contributors: Markun, yxkalle, and Andy D. Its primary function is to facilitate the identification of inserted ROMs and the subsequent automatic configuration of the core.

To initiate this process in a seamless manner, we recommend depositing the file within the /games/N64 directory. Doing so will result in its automatic detection and configuration of the core.```

[cerulean elk]

It’s about as bad of a sequel to Yoshi’s Island as we could have gotten

Not a bad game…but in comparison to what directly preceded it…not great

[zealous hull]

To be fair, it's impossible to follow that. It's (imo) one of the most fun, creative platformers ever made.

I still like Yoshi's Story a lot. It's delightfully strange. Far more than anything that came before or after in the series.

[cerulean elk]

Lately they’ve been on a dry streak

Wooly World was fun. Crafted World was meh

[zealous hull]

Yeah, my nephew loves Crafted World, but I was pretty lukewarm on it.

[storm vessel]

Uh a little trouble,,, I patched Perfect Dark- I'm supposed to add it to the N64 database txt aren't I?

[rose elbow]

Yoshi's Story is nice enough but i do seem to recall the game having effectively little difficulty. just casually strolling through levels collecting fruit lol

the music is fun tho

[marble cargo]

Never really considered it a sequel to Yoshi's Island, since it's obviously doing its own thing. Which is why I think it gets that negative stigma.

[weary palm]

it's actually a correct everdrive homebrew header. if decoded it sets savetype to eeprom2k

[zealous hull]

It's far more interesting to try to get all melons. I think it's a fun way to increase the challenge for a tangible payoff.

[cerulean elk]

That’s the Nintendo curse…any game in a franchise from them that comes next automatically gets compared to what came before

[paper orchid]

Right, does the ID system support the EverDrive provisions? (or rather, is there enough flexibility to make it work in the current system)

I know there's the three underscored characters, first one being region from what I can tell

[weary palm]

actually the fourth one

[paper orchid]

Right, meant the first of the underscored ones (the fourth in the ID as a whole)

[grave island]

Weird PD keeps freezing on me in game.

Like I can't even get to the first enemy without it freezing.

[marble cargo]

Yoshi's Story is paradoxically a piss easy babby game and also a deceptively cruel challenge. If you just grab random fruit you can beat levels in seconds, but trying to get all 30 melons in a level suddenly becomes really stressful. You can't make a single mistake in an all melons run.

[rose elbow]

does PD freeze have anything to do with not updating the db correctly? if you boot PD and then the patched PD, are there different settings, then if u you updated the database manually?

[cerulean elk]

lol I just found two MiSTer vids I forgot to publish forever ago 😆

[orchid nimbus]

it's like pulp

you don't even care 😛

hides in a far away corner in a round room

[cerulean elk]

lol sometimes I move videos far into the future for holding and then forgot I did it

[storm vessel]

For Perfect Dark, what's "auto detect failed" mean?

[orchid nimbus]

that user was not found holding the controller

[storm vessel]

c'mon 😛

[daring meteor]

It means you didn't add it do the database

[orchid nimbus]

@storm vessel #1096015979055697940 message

check there

[daring meteor]

Use unstable main

Should fix

[orchid nimbus]

I will ad in that "auto detect failed" means the rom was not found in the n64-database

[storm vessel]

Thought that's what it was but, I don't get the data we're supposed to add to it

[orchid nimbus]

that scenario is covered 😉

[zealous hull]

I mean, they're obviously trying.

[orchid nimbus]

d.d.d the setup is pretty straight forward of the textfile

[daring meteor]

Unstable Main probably gonna be good

[orchid nimbus]

I will make a generator for people to create their own custom entries

after work - in the weekend

[quaint pewter]

Some people just make a hash of things.

[orchid nimbus]

@storm vessel the easiest way is to start the game you want to run - then load the patched version

[storm vessel]

I know how to get an md5 checksum, I just don't know what all the stuff after it is or means

[zealous hull]

It's more N64-centric stuff. Things around how the system would do anti-piracy checks, as well as what type of saves a game used.

[orchid nimbus]

@storm vessel what OS are you running?

[weary palm]

I added this to the bottom of my database file:
# Homebrew ID:_ED_11 eeprom512|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_21 eeprom2k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_31 sram32k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_41 sram96k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_51 flash128k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_13 eeprom512|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_23 eeprom2k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_33 sram32k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_43 sram96k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_53 flash128k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_15 eeprom512|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_25 eeprom2k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_35 sram32k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_45 sram96k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_55 flash128k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_17 eeprom512|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_27 eeprom2k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_37 sram32k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_47 sram96k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_57 flash128k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_19 eeprom512|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_29 eeprom2k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_39 sram32k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_49 sram96k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_59 flash128k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_1B eeprom512|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_2B eeprom2k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_3B sram32k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_4B sram96k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_5B flash128k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_1D eeprom512|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_2D eeprom2k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_3D sram32k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_4D sram96k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_5D flash128k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_1F eeprom512|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_2F eeprom2k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_3F sram32k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_4F sram96k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_5F flash128k|cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED__1 cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED__3 cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED__5 cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED__7 cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED__9 cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED__B cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED__D cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED__F cpak|rpak|rtc ID:_ED_1_ eeprom512|cpak|rpak ID:_ED_2_ eeprom2k|cpak|rpak ID:_ED_3_ sram32k|cpak|rpak ID:_ED_4_ sram96k|cpak|rpak ID:_ED_5_ flash128k|cpak|rpak ID:_ED___ cpak|rpak

[storm vessel]

So, start the PD ROM that we're supposed to patch, run it once, then find that ROM's info in the N64database.txt file?

W10

[weary palm]

It's ugly, but it works

[daring meteor]

The stuff that comes after the md5 is the same as PD yes

But, unstable main is better solution probably

[orchid nimbus]

I'm very unstable right now

[paper orchid]

Ahhh I see it now

[orchid nimbus]

need coffee

[paper orchid]

Found the Everdrive documentation on those values

[storm vessel]

Is N64_20231004.rbf the main or the unstable?

[daring meteor]

That's N64

[zealous hull]

They're talking about unstable MiSTer. Not the core.

[storm vessel]

oh crap that again (facepalm)

still mix those up

[zealous hull]

I get it. No worries.

[paper orchid]

@weary palm Appreciate that list, getting that added to mine in a bit here

[storm vessel]

how does this help?

[paper orchid]

#unstable-nightlies message The latest MiSTer unstable supports ROM IDs in the N64 database file. Using these IDs means less of a need for MD5 hashes for every file, and a greater likelihood of ROMs that don't change the N64 ROM header matching against the database.

[storm vessel]

So just add it to the very end of the txt file?

[paper orchid]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database_new.txt This is the newest database file to go with that as an example. Instead of an MD5 hash for e.g. Perfect Dark, now it's referenced by ID, NPD. The issue with the patch is it changes that ID to use the EverDrive ID, ED instead of PD.

[mild ether]

That seems like a much better solution, glad it got added.

[paper orchid]

Adding that extra homebrew chunk should help correct for that

The ID system makes it much easier for e.g. certain randomizers to be supported, since those randomizers can change the first 1MB of ROM (and therefore the CRC in the header and the MD5 on the header as a whole)

Any patches for games that also change that first MB that don't change the ID would also be more readily supported with the IDs

[vapid hawk]

kinda makes sense since its worked for everdrive for about a decade already to just do the same 🙂

[weary palm]

I just updated https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database_new.txt

[mild ether]

IDs of all the releases?

Yes appears so.

[weary palm]

I think so, yes

[mild ether]

Good deal. Now we can patch away and not have to worry about it.

[paper orchid]

Just wait until a patch completely changes the ID lmao

[weary palm]

it happens. not mucch i can do about that.

[paper orchid]

Right, I think in those cases it's up to the user to add it in the user DB

[weary palm]

i think most rom hackers stays away from this though, as it can cause trouble for emulators such as Ares

[mild ether]

The patches I make I just disable the CRC check which changes the MD5 so this is great.

[vapid hawk]

i'd imagine romhacks don't change their IDs very often, they know people are using everdrives

[paper orchid]

Right, I'm just thinking about "that one patch done early in the day of N64 ROM hacking"

(i have no idea if one exists, just saying something might come out of the weeds for all we know)

[weary palm]

how do you disable crc checks? a different ipl3/boot?

[vapid hawk]

yeah true

[storm vessel]

Can someone help me make an entry in the database? I can get the MD5 from the patched ROM and copypasta, but I don't get what to do afterwards

[vapid hawk]

a lot of those don't even work on real hardware anyway

[orchid nimbus]

d.d.d. look up the entry in the n64-database file for the game

[nimble needle]

Which is as bad a sequel to Super Mario World as we could have gotten! The jump noise, jaysis it is irritating. I loved it as a kid though

[orchid nimbus]

then just make a 2nd entry (copy-paste)

after that replace the md5 with your own

[mild ether]

NOP the branch instruction at x660 and the other next to it.

[weary palm]

is that for 6102 boot code

[mild ether]

Yes

[weary palm]

interesting

[storm vessel]

So I don't need to worry about all the stuff after the MD5?

[orchid nimbus]

@storm vessel that's why I told you to make a copy

and just replace the md5

[storm vessel]

(I ran the pre-patched ROM but nothing showed up in the txt file - thought there was something to that)

[orchid nimbus]

no - manual entry only

[weary palm]

my cic detection routine will fail if i don't add the checksum for such an altered 6102/7101... maybe i've already added those without realizing

[paper orchid]

Entries aren't automatically created in the N64 DB file; that file has to be updated in some form (manually or automatically via updating scripts)

[storm vessel]

edited txt, going to mister,,,brb

[weary palm]

Where can I read more about this?

[mild ether]

I will show you a screenshot when I get home. I just found it myself, don't know if someone wrote about it.

[weary palm]

it's only for 6102, right

[mild ether]

That's all I have done so far but I am sure it's similar for all of them.

[weary palm]

this one, or am I stupid?

[storm vessel]

Dear lord, it's Perfect Dark O.O Haven't played it since it came out (well, tried emulating it but that wasn't good at all)

thanks @orchid nimbus

[weary palm]

it's quite crash prone, sadly

[mild ether]

That's it and x672

[weary palm]

thanks

[mild ether]

Er 674

[orchid nimbus]

np make sure to read the FAQ I wrote if you have other problems with the core - I will update a section that deals with adding entries

[mild ether]

I can find the others pretty quick I am sure but just haven't needed to disassemble one yet.

[dense wagon]

woooot - the 128MB stick is apparently out for delivery 😄

which i hope is true... if i check PostCanada tracking it doesn't have a clue where it is haha

USPS however thinks something is happening

Schrodingers Post... it exists and not at the same time

[orchid nimbus]

MB?

you in 1999?

[chrome lodge]

im excite

[modern sleet]

Does your new main header extract pull in data from games like the f2 mod for DK64, not that we still needs that version, but curious.

[storm vessel]

I did but didn't see that error on there (then again, I have trouble reading, sorry)

[bronze tree]

ah, this adds support for the homebrew custom header? Pretty clever 🙂

[dense wagon]

LOL yeah the SDRAM... good old MB of ram

[devout leaf]

For the N64 database changes is there a script for nightly build or do you have to manually do it from the github?

[primal bolt]

there is a line you can add to downloader.ini that downloads both the core and database file

when you run update all

[devout leaf]

I have the core but thought you needed the nightly MISTer files. Running update all will work then?

[primal bolt]

well if the core needs mister unstable, that wont download with update all

[native mesa]

My 8bitdo mod kit is taking forever to arrive

[primal bolt]

but you dont always need mister unstable

[native mesa]

It's been in New Jersey for 4 days

[devout leaf]

That's what I'm asking. 10/1 nightly talks about the N64 database change. To update to 10/1 nightly is there a script or do you have to do it manually?

[primal bolt]

I dont know then

[native mesa]

vampiers updater script used to grab mister unstable

I think he took it down though

[weary palm]

pretty lazy. and pretty lucky that it could be implemented like this.

[lament escarp]

I feel your pain. Which color did you decide on?

[native mesa]

just og grey

to match my other controllers

[devout leaf]

It worked, thanks!

[dense wagon]

yeah, same for my ram upgrade, it kinda sat doing a "item arrived" in the same location for 4 - 5 days haha

[native mesa]

Is it customs or something?

[lament escarp]

I really hope someone fixes the driver for the 8bitdo controller

[coral timber]

It seems to work! :D
Is this a processs that I'd be able to do myself somehow until Robert is able to come up with a fix?

[desert crow]

http://en64.shoutwiki.com/wiki/ROM mentions bypassing checksum

[coral timber]

Also here’s some simple photos of the result, I love it~

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-gif-1284676348901827341

[orchid nimbus]

In conclusion, the MiSTer FPGA N64 core's development journey, from initial exploration to its current state in 2023, has been marked by significant progress and dedication. With regular updates and improvements, it has become a promising N64 emulation solution for retro gaming enthusiasts, bringing N64 classics back to life on the MiSTer platform. As development continues, it's exciting to anticipate further refinements and a growing library of playable titles.

[orchid nimbus]

wow your version has complete VI and Bloom?

[coral timber]

It's just actually on my PC CRT using the 240p 120hz video modeline hack.

[knotty zealot]

anybody can do it. dabble like habble.

[cerulean elk]

id add "also unfortunately Brian 64"

[coral timber]

I'd love to know how to edit the core to force fullscreen myself, I'd feel terrible asking for a new edit of every test build update in here.

[weary palm]

I've submitted a pull request to Robert, hopefully he'll accept it in some form.

[weary palm]

awesome

[coral timber]

Ah, wonderful news! <3
Thanks for your help

[weary palm]

with a toggle. "4:3", "16:9" and "Full Screen"

[odd vector]

New Build Incoming

[native mesa]

Nice

[marble cargo]

Ah yeah full screen, in those cases when you want to play Buck Bumble in a 21:9 aspect ratio like some sort of savage.

[gray surge]

If you still need help with that git rebase, I can help.

[weary palm]

more for those who uses weird mode lines like 2048x240 😛

[weary palm]

I think I figured it out, but I had to redo the pull request.

[native mesa]

Majora's masked locked up after going down the well in Ikana Canyon

I'll see if it's consistent

[coral timber]

Gosh, this feels soooo good to play on.
Can't wait until the core gets fleshed out enough that I can use it in speedruns.

[weary palm]

Can we have a blurry photo? thanks

[modest helm]

Amazing! Got Perfect Dark working now. Thanks! Problem is I can't start the game though bc of saving of the database not detecting the rom properly

[drowsy lantern]

I've been playing tons of Ocarina of Time without any problems, except the other day after playing other games, then loading OOT, it crashed shortly after loading my game (yellow line crash). Seems there's still some obscure rare bugs, or perhaps stuff not being fully reset/cleared when loading a new rom. In due time 🙂

[coral timber]

[weary palm]

...

[knotty zealot]

it's beautiful

[native mesa]

Hey @wanton sun just FYI this one is pretty easily reproducible.

So to whoever was asking if Majora's mask is completable I'd say the answser is NO

[vapid hawk]

doesn't something trippy happen there

maybe a unique graphical effect

[native mesa]

Not sure

Been a while since I played

[vapid hawk]

https://youtu.be/nZI8CVUK6hE?t=229

[chrome quest]

I'm sure Robert will get it all in aspect ratio eventually. Even by your list you need even more for PAL

[drowsy lantern]

Huh since when does Majora's Mask have d-pad shortcuts for masks? Is this a romhack?

[vapid hawk]

thats a romhack thing

[wanton sun]

error bit 0 and 2? that's cpu executing garbage

[vapid hawk]

it looks like it maybe streams in the area below as you descend the well

but nothing really crazy happens

[wanton sun]

please keep a savegame nearby if possible

[native mesa]

Ok

[wanton sun]

i might look at it when i have the VI done

speaking of VI: noise dither is one of the most useless features of the VI. Especially if you use a LG OLED TV. The noise is completly filtered out by the TV (game mode), on capture card it's visible

(well visible means you go to 5cm distance to the screen and have 3 glasses on)

[native mesa]

Lol

[vapid hawk]

you have denoising enabled on your tv ?

[native mesa]

But the accuracy!

Yeah I don't think anyone will miss it

[wanton sun]

but now it's in 😦

[cerulean elk]

we are starting to get "impossible to show on YT due to compression" levels of visual features

[vapid hawk]

the LG is basically a monitor when its setup correctly it shouldn't be filtering that off

[wanton sun]

maybe i did something wrong, you can try in some hours

it's a toggle again, so easy to try

[vapid hawk]

cool cool

[native mesa]

Curious the impact on CRT

It only is apparent for grey gradients right?

[vapid hawk]

is this the effect used for the mario64 teleport ?

[wanton sun]

there is two noise dither: a weak one that is apllied when the game doesn't use gamma. It random adds +1 to the R, G or B color value. This is what i implemented. The stronger one is applied only when gamma is used. It adds up to +14 to each color value, this should be more visible

[wanton sun]

no, that is noise dither in the RDP , not VI

[vapid hawk]

oh interesting, so this one is very subtle

[native mesa]

With noise I guess no 2 screenshots would ever be alike if someone were comparing pixels

[wanton sun]

right

[vapid hawk]

if your processing the video 4:2:2 anywhere in your chain it could basically hide it ?

[wanton sun]

will work som more and upload what i have in some hours

[marble cargo]

Ya'll got any more of them vaseline

[native mesa]

It's all used up!

[vapid hawk]

i have a funny question - not a feature request only a curiosity

could you slap the VI onto the PSX core ?

[chrome lodge]

whoa easy there cowboy

[vapid hawk]

its kind of a post-processor right ? psx could use dedither etc

[sly wasp]

the games dont use it so probably not

[chrome lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-out-relax-be-calm-easy-take-it-easy-gif-15820228

[orchid nimbus]

It explains a lot

[mellow path]

That's so strange, this did not happen to me.

[sly wasp]

software would have to make use of hardware

[native mesa]

I do have some hacks so I plan on trying it without them for a proper test

[orchid nimbus]

Please 🙂

[vapid hawk]

games only really turn VI features on/off, you could just let the osd control it

[sly wasp]

maybe aa but not dither dedither

[coral timber]

I could see a future option being available to let the core decide based on game autodetect maybe.

Like, On/Off/Auto

[cerulean elk]

More N64. Fun. I am sitting here capturing X68000. Totally diff vibe

[mellow path]

One thing about Redux and Patcher64+ is there's a somewhat hidden "safe mode" that will only expose hacks that are everdrive safe.

[quaint pewter]

is the noise the thing that someone said is missing from the Mario 64 warp transition in Bobomb Battlefield etc?

[vapid hawk]

no

[night silo]

Is this what caused Mario Party 2 and some other games to have an almost film-grain like look? Because if so then it's very noticeable on my CRT/real N64 imo

[vapid hawk]

maybe

[mellow path]

If you didn't have that enabled already, perhaps that's what the issue is. I had a few patches applied to MM that made it impossible to even boot on the core, but it was resolved after I restricted it to "safe mode" hacks.

[knotty zealot]

kajoq does that

[teal sail]

I would rather see perspective correct textures slapped instead 🙂

[oblique remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4X7opDapyE Yo-Yo-Yoshi Rap Hype

[zealous hull]

Nah it just takes a long time to fall all the way to the bottom of the Depths.

Throw a Brightbloom Seed and you should see that you're still falling.

[mild ether]

Sorry I was at work and gave you some bad information just going off of memory at glance. Here is where the CRC check is preformed for 6102.

it's at 66c and 678.

[lilac scroll]

As amazing as this core is I do have to say, going through and testing a bunch of games last night, outside of those big ninty gems it’s kind of a mediocre library, and a small one, isn’t it?

[mild ether]

It's obvious what is happening because the LW points at $0010 $0014

this is where the CRCs are stored and if they don't match what the program came up with it takes the branch so you just NOP it out.

Should be straight forward for the other CICs as well.

[mellow path]

It certainly doesn't have the depth of PSX or Saturn but it does have some games I couldn't live without

[mild ether]

This just makes making quick edits in the roms with a hex editor easier than constantly having to update the CRC everytime you make a change and want to test it out.

[cerulean elk]

for anyone who cares...Pepsiman is kitten aids free

[mild ether]

No HIV either?

[native mesa]

What about feline herpes

[mortal panther]

Always good to hear.

[cerulean elk]

free of all things; herpes, feline HIV, worms, fleas and ticks

one good street kitten lol

[mortal panther]

No cooties.

[daring meteor]

Yesssss Noise dither

The feature of all time

[languid dune]

Pepsi cures all.

[mortal panther]

What's needed is a Vaseline thickening agent!

[mild ether]

The streets of Chicago will sorely a cat that can deal with those giant rats.

[weary palm]

@mild ether https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/pull/833/commits/de39d633f5357599d6fe65ff1a3801ad40cdbd8d 🙂

mmm banana

[cerulean elk]

he just keeps killing it

[tepid gorge]

The PS1 had a way bigger library but I personally prefer the N64’s high points

[marble cargo]

https://youtu.be/S-Eyhq-D9yM?si=6uTYJPSp7CMNP5QT

[mild ether]

I don't know what this means but awesome!

I only understand assembly and even that isn't awesome. 🙂

[weary palm]

I added checksums for altered bootcodes, so that the right cic type is set in the core

[cerulean elk]

hahaha yep

[mild ether]

Awesome, I will take a look at the other boot codes when I get a chance here.

[left depot]

@weary palm Will that fix Shindou Wave Race or will it still crash despite having correct cic set?

[languid dune]

It's a bug, so it will crash regardless.

[weary palm]

@left depot nah

[languid dune]

Only way to get Shindou Wave Race to boot is to set it to the wrong save type.

[weary palm]

I added all NOP:ed out boot codes except 6106/7106, because I don't know how to do that one.

[mild ether]

What game uses it?

[weary palm]

only 3
Cruis'n World F-Zero X Yoshi's Story

[mild ether]

I will look.

[native mesa]

Yeah it must have just been one of the patches. Sorry everyone :<

[drowsy lantern]

That's why I'm always weary of romhacks that change too much of a game.

[native mesa]

I did what someone said and set patcher 64 do only allow everdrive safe options

[solid crest]

Does the patched version work on real hardware?

[native mesa]

My girlfriend has my everdrive so I can't try

[weary palm]

wouldn't surprise me if it crashes on real hardware too

[native mesa]

damn I don't have the L or R to switch arrow types anymore 😦

[little bane]

Amazing, I'll download it and test it as soon as I have it at home, I also use it with a CRT monitor via 240p 120hz

[dense wagon]

yay the ram came 😄

doing a quick ram test

[lament escarp]

Finally! Enjoy all the big games!

[dense wagon]

yeah 😄 can finally play Zelda haha

[lament escarp]

Just avoid romhacks for now. 😄

[languid dune]

I hope you enjoy the ramifications of your actions.

[devout wedge]

I wonder if it's specifically the Ikana Canyon Fairy Fountain change? From the hack notes, it's innocuosly listed as a "color fix"

[native mesa]

Hard to say. I'm not gonna test it

[dense wagon]

Yay Goron City no longer crashes

did the mem test and was like... OH NO! numbers coming up red, then i realised the ram test started things at like 148 MHz so i dropped it down and yeah all reads good at like 145 so golden 😄

[mortal panther]

The SDRAM built in to my MiSTer Multisystem isn't stable until it gets to 140 MHz. Hasn't been a problem yet... as far as I know, at least.

[rich delta]

Can I ask how you know what to implement and how to implement it? Is it by looking at other emulators or is there some other 'official' repository of information like dev manuals and the like?

[mellow path]

Yeah, my 2.5 ram passes at 140 MHz and it's been able to keep up with all the saturn updates which seem to be the most finicky for RAM

[cerulean elk]

Saturn is 100% the most picky with RAM

my 2.5/2.9/3.0 modules all pass though. They are all MiSTer Addons ones

[kind solar]

did the 32mb module stop getting updated. i have a 3.0 128 mb and a 2.2 32mb

[mild ether]

Mine that I got when the 128mb modules came out is no bueno.

No idea the version

[kind solar]

saturn works with these both in dual and single ram modes

[wanton sun]

not really, at least for the main features. Divot, AA and Dedither all need the coverage information to be really useful and PSX cannot do subpixel accuracy, so no coverage. Gamma would work, but that is pointless on mister. Noise would also work...but really...no 🙂

[zenith orchid]

this is kinda what I had in mind but for the entire library. kinda like if N64 used mappers the way the NES does. some kind of number representing a hardware configuration for the cart

[weary palm]

just ram it in

[lament escarp]

Just the tip!

[wanton sun]

open documentation (e.g. n64brew), open source code, e.g. Ares or Angrylion, my own tests, results from open source testroms. The funny thing with rebuilding hardware with hardware is that sometimes you find something in a software emulator where you think how crazy is that, i cannot implement it that way and then you think about it and realize what a asic engineer must have done years ago and suddenly it becomes simple and clear 🙂

one recent example: if you just port the gamma function from angrylion, you would do a 32bit squareroot. But it turns out that only 14 bit are used

[lament escarp]

So magic. It's magic. 😄

[weary palm]

yes. simple. 😅

[wraith estuary]

i was going to say the same thing. this is super easy stuff.
/s

[wanton sun]

especially with the systemtest by lemmy, it's like 3000 little puzzles 🙂 you know what the result must be and built something that fulfills the result. After you fulfill 90%, you start to understand what it really must be doing, you throw it away, start fresh and it has a quarter of size

[weary palm]

Robert must have a high iQue

[lament escarp]

He paid attention at school. Unlike me. 😄

[wanton sun]

i wasn't good at just learning facts, perfered things you don't have to learn but understand

[fair stump]

The closest I've ever felt to that is playing TIS-100 😅

[wraith estuary]

forgot about that game! good times

[weary palm]

iQue cup is the best cup in Mario Kart 64, right guys?

[versed cairn]

Classic iQue cup. brings me back

[tulip coral]

A real engineer

[weary palm]

If you assign the N&4 joystick to the right analog stick and the C-buttons to the left stick, this would kind of work like a modern fps..? right?

[daring meteor]

That's a thick VI build

[weary palm]

w00t?

[cerulean elk]

lol here we go again

[daring meteor]

Also you didn't put the "VI: only do bilinear scaling when the game enables it" in the change log

[versed cairn]

More delicous Vaseline!

[wanton sun]

yes, i mixed up the commits

I only check in what is in the build i upload, so the commit message was too early 😅

[cerulean elk]

so this is just more visual commits yes?

[lament escarp]

So is vi done for now?

[daring meteor]

We got Noise Dither Part 2

[wanton sun]

noise dither with gamma is still missing

and async video out

vertical borders

[lament escarp]

Minor stuff. 😄

[daring meteor]

Async video out might be a bit more major haha

[lament escarp]

Thanks so much for your hard work robert!

[lament escarp]

What does that do? More smear I recon.

[wanton sun]

if you are interested what divot does, just made a short capture. Had to mark it so it's clear 🙂

[daring meteor]

The VGA output right now isn't 1:1 to a real N64

Wrong refresh rate

Async will fix that

[zealous hull]

Oh, I think it looks quite noticeable myself. Looks great!

[wanton sun]

personally i think the effect on the balcony is quite large, but i would probably not have noticed that it's wrong without divot

[stuck summit]

Yay, death to stray pixels!

[cerulean elk]

oh boy this is gonna be CSI MIAMI enhance YT levels lol...gonna capture now

[wanton sun]

at least you have a spot now where you know it has some effect 🙂

[cerulean elk]

cheat cheet lol

[stuck summit]

I like how the toggles are synched to mario's snoring

[wanton sun]

thin lines and polygons is where it makes the most difference

[vapid moat]

That cup has some crazy skips

[woeful beacon]

I thought that was your whole channel

Video game investigationa

[cerulean elk]

hahaha it will have to be today

capturing now...gonna target 4:30 since its Friday

[woeful beacon]

I do not know how you do it

[cerulean elk]

sheer determination and a bit of stupidity

[oblique remnant]

Love and DIVOTion

[wanton sun]

if you manage to capture that and keep it through youtube compression, you made a good job 🙂

[cerulean elk]

getting it now

[wanton sun]

i didn't upload the video to twitter, would not be recognizable

[cerulean elk]

Secret is fast toggling. The change is so rapid you can’t help but see it

[native mesa]

Personally I PREFER THE DIVOTS

lol

[dense wagon]

Oh amazing... update 😄

[native mesa]

Have I gone crazy or are the MM Redux options for switching arrow types with L and R buttons gone from Patcher 64+?

[eternal island]

i love that you are making every function toggleable

i think i prefer everything but bilinear on

[cerulean elk]

noise dither just does NOT appear much at all

how would you define that feature in words @wanton sun so I can articulate it verbally

nothing that will come across in video example it seems

[native mesa]

What is the divot filter algorithm? Seems like it inserts pixels when there's a certain pattern of pixels. which in turn seems to add pixels erroneously

I guess that was a tradeoff with devs

Look at Lakitu's glasses in Roberts footage

It removes a pixel from them when the icon has it

[cerulean elk]

divot is a nice feature. Its super noticeable when you look for it and in motion cleans the image up for sure

[languid dune]

Another build!? Robert is a wonderful maniac!

[cerulean elk]

no rest from the fun for us all

[languid dune]

Can't complain about never ending fun.

[native mesa]

You don't have to do a new video every core update

[cerulean elk]

Body Harvest is such an interesting game

[cerulean elk]

but thats my fun

[languid dune]

He is under contract to do so. The contract say that if he violates it, I will complain.

[chrome quest]

@wanton sun PAL Pokémon Stadium 2 looking nice and stable again, thank you!
Fun effect you may not be aware of that I don't understand. On CRT there is a very noticeable line through the girl on the title screen (best attempt to photograph!).
No line at all on HDMI.
With my N64 hooked up, matches the CRT exactly. Whatever makes that "effect" happen, certainly accurate on the core!

[woeful beacon]

It's why I 4k upscale everything

That's how you get around YT compression

[cerulean elk]

Foliage in Extreme G on first course shows a big diff in divot on the sides of the courses if you pause and toggle in real time

diversifying the games this video for some user request tests

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew we got a gif here Sherrif

[native mesa]

I mean he might have some contract with someone saying he needs a daily video. I've known people that have. Also might be an NDA too.. more likely he just enjoys it

[cerulean elk]

lol with who? myself

[native mesa]

My one buddy almost got roped into working with some agency to put out daily content

[cerulean elk]

my last gig was daily live stream directing with a cut and upload by 4 pm

funny I do this now for myself haha

[wanton sun]

divot is sorting the pixels from low to high. it works on 3 adjacent horizontal pixels, but only if at least one of them is a polygon border

[cerulean elk]

got it. thx

[native mesa]

Why does a pixel get replaced in Lakitu's glasses then?

[wanton sun]

noise dithering is just random noise with minimum possible amplitude. probably it should have no effect at all when gamma is not used, but has a minimal effect

[cerulean elk]

yeah nothing that will get past YT compression

[wanton sun]

translucent objects with alpha don't have full coverage

it's some kind of trick: how to do multiple alpha layers with coverage and you have only 3 bits?

[vapid hawk]

yep - you can do this today if you map your analog sticks deliberately the wrong way round in main

[wanton sun]

the chief RDP designer: "we just add the coverage and let it wrap around to zero and it somehow works" (not exact wording, but that is about what he said in the interview)

[vapid hawk]

i.e stick 1 -> right stick, stick2 -> left stick

then map left stick to c-buttons, let right stick be stick

voila - perfect shooter controls in most n64 games

a swap stick option would be neater tho

[native mesa]

@vapid hawk I'd prefer the 2 controller option

[vapid hawk]

for the games where that exists that'd be even better yeah

that'd give you full dual analog

its pretty rare tho i think only goldeneye and PD do it

[cerulean elk]

sigh...Diakatana time

[paper orchid]

DONT DO IT

[cerulean elk]

monsters keep asking for more footage lol

[paper orchid]

Romero's gonna get you

[desert crow]

I'm surprised the designer remembers how anything works

[cerulean elk]

we did a thing. We dunno how it works. But it does...and we dont care about how

[native mesa]

Don't be Romero's bitch

[vapid hawk]

seriously, the n64 version of daikatana is alright

[paper orchid]

It's alright

[vapid hawk]

i think it came out a long time later than the pc one so they had time to reconsider some bad design and fix some bugs

i'm not saying its great but its definitely playable

[native mesa]

I think it was some japanese company that ported it

[drowsy lantern]

ENHANCE!!!

[cerulean elk]

NFL blitz then edit

to edit

[weary perch]

there's a code to use 2 controllers in Star Wars Episode I Racer as well

Robotron 64 appears to also let you do it

so there are at least 4 games that support multiple controllers for a single player (edit: pretty sure that's all of them, actually)

[rich delta]

Fantastic thanks for the pointers! So how did you figure out only 14bits are used? Does it fall out from the design - like there are only 14 wires connected or something?

[native mesa]

Was the N64 too complex for it's own good? Find out at 4

[mortal panther]

"Turns out, it wasn't complex enough!"

(spoiler alert)

[weary palm]

Are those black pixels unimplemented edge cases? Or perhaps it's like that on real hardware?

[eternal island]

wonder if thats just one of those cases where the visuals there were meant to be cut off on more consumer crts

[quick arch]

@wanton sun with 240p Suite Test I tried option Divot on and I have those result (divot off and On)

[weary palm]

Weird thing I just noticed

[vagrant ivy]

you will have to explain with the Moire patterns its hard to see anything

[weary perch]

the black artifacts at the top of the screen? pretty sure those are there on hardware

it happens in other games too

[rich delta]

What is divot doing? Some kind of high frequency filter?

[thorn flax]

you know I found a tech manual that explains this

[remote hatch]

Yes , it's on real hardware too

[thorn flax]

http://n64devkit.square7.ch/pro-man/pro30/30-01.htm#01

[tulip coral]

Who came up with all these fancy pants effects, was it Silicon Graphics? Or Nintendo

[thorn flax]

just scroll a little on this page and you'll see every VI function

[native mesa]

That must be the alpha Robert was talking about and Lakitu's glasses

[cerulean elk]

edit done. to VO after a render test. Body Harvest is so strange its also tripping up Resolve. Something in the cadence of the stutter in game also seems to like to make the NLE unhappy

or at least I think

[remote hatch]

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[desert crow]

careful don't post any official docs. not sure that you are I'm just saying

[thorn flax]

it's a fan made document for indie programmers

[weary palm]

never mind then. perfect 🙂

[thorn flax]

I've been on the internet long enough to not make that kinda amateur mistake

[languid dune]

Wow, the windows on Peach's castle change a lot with the new divot update. Especially noticeable from a distance.

[quick arch]

The start screen of SpiderMan is great now (the black is ok now)

[orchid nimbus]

new error added to error decoder - might need a CTRL-Refresh before it pops up

[daring meteor]

I'm trying my hand at Mario's Face

I'm not sure if giving a random pointer is what I should do haha, it doesn't seem to work

[fair stump]

The scroll opening at the beginning of mystical ninja looks much nicer now. Doesn't have lines showing the polygons

[weary beacon]

What is this

[teal sail]

I think I found most obvious case with those stray pixels - Top Gear Overdrive, just select first track and drive a little forward.

[remote hatch]

Wow , Resident Evil 2 looks much better on crt

[languid dune]

It feels like such a tease that Mischief Makers' demonstration (when sitting on the title screen for a bit) works well and looks so good. But you just can't get past that TLB locked press start prompt!

[night saddle]

prerendered backgrounds in general really shine on CRT

[weary palm]

VI Noise Dither in The Princess's Secret Slide

for some reason

[orchid nimbus]

looks cool

[solemn maple]

Looks like the stars in Galaga 😍

[weary palm]

obviously contrast boosted to hell

[orchid nimbus]

saturation levels max

over 9000

[warped cobalt]

The black pixels are accurate, they happen on real hardware exactly that way. Left is my real hw, right is core from Oct 04:

[uncut gyro]

like 24 bit support (which should allow you to obviate dither/dedither), this is one of those things where I’m curious if there’s a memory bandwidth/latency ceiling that prevents the expansion from being an option

[warped cobalt]

If you look at the top, black pixel are on both real hw and core.

[weary palm]

thats great

just a weird quirk

[warped cobalt]

Jup

[languid dune]

Is that because of your saturation levels?

[kind solar]

What’s the point of the noise filter

[drowsy lantern]

You would just never actually see them on any regular consumer CRT. 😛

[kind solar]

Wait is the left photo above after filter?

[weary palm]

no, the right

[kind solar]

🤔

[weary palm]

looks like movie grain irl. almost.

film grain.

[kind solar]

I will experiment with it

[quick arch]

The UbiSoft Rayman 2 logo screen have issues (not repdroduce just have two times)

[cerulean elk]

some Pokemon love today

[mortal panther]

"Dither in The Princess's Secret Slide"
🤨 🤣

[mortal panther]

That almost looks like the effects of Adaptive Composite Blend in the Genesis/Mega Drive cores.

[cyan pilot]

Lego racers sure doesn't have the most responsive turning controls

[cerulean elk]

and uploading...see you kids at 4:30 CST

[quick arch]

I couldn't reproduce it maybe a not good state after changing a game

[weary beacon]

I sent this in the wrong channel a minute ago but yeah... Vaseline life is not for me.

Can't stomach the look

[hearty oar]

I hold the opposite opinion for the jaggy filled image, but hey, at least the options are all there for you to play with to get the image you like

[weary beacon]

Yeah, options are great

[fair stump]

Looking like OoT on gba

[manic thicket]

Yeah in N64 case I think the games were designed around it. Without it it looks too rough for me but as you stated choice is there and that's awesome.

[weary palm]

I'm having a hard time distinguishing between my RGB modded N64 and this core now.

[weary beacon]

It's an easy choice. Do you want to showcase a bunch of retro consoles, or have a one box setup?

[native mesa]

Yes very easy choice

[thorn flax]

perfect capture on a crt

[native mesa]

Showcasing anything is pretty vain and also unimpressive when it comes to consoles

[prisma hawk]

I compared earlier with OOT against my French 'official' RGB modded N64 console, using the Official Nintendo RGB scart lead, on my Trinitron 21X5U, and I think the MiSTer image in its current state produces a better image. It seems to have better contrast, more accurate/ flatter colours, is moderately clearer and not as bright. This also makes it easier on the eyes for me. To me, it looks like/ reminds me of the colours I used to see when using composite or S-Video, but the clarity of RGB, without the softness - at least with my particular modded machine. I remember the blurriness of my unit surprising me when I first got it, as I was very used to the sharpness of S-Video before, then I got used to it. Really great stuff, very happy.

[languid ore]

N64 version is actually pretty good on CRT. On modern displays and scalers though it's awful.

[native mesa]

A RAW man after my heart

[prisma hawk]

Aside, with the current build and several past ones, I have been unable to get any versions of Super Mario 64 working past the title screen, it just goes to a black screen with some garbled graphics/ pattern to the top of the screen. Does anyone know what the issue might be?

[native mesa]

Everyone here knows id imagine

[hearty oar]

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[prisma hawk]

Thanks, appreciated, @hearty oar, I'll have a read 👍

[weary palm]

I don't own my console for a showcase.

[native mesa]

@hearty oar he didn't ask what the issue was though! Only if people knew what it was

[hearty oar]

The tldr is it needs a feature that isn’t implemented yet to get past the title screen, but there is a patch to work around it

[dense wagon]

what i find, is that i prefer it with the VI bilinear off

it just ads a weird fuzz that my eyes dont like... but yeah everything else looks beautiful

[native mesa]

Do you think chat GPT could take Roberts verilog code and build a higher color depth version without me learning it?

[hearty oar]

I don’t know about verilog, but I’ve never once had ChatGPT generate a sufficiently large or complex program that would even compile without some slight intervention

[daring meteor]

It grabs something from the dynlists in ram, than frees it and the TLB mapping so its accessed from ROM?

Really weird

[prisma hawk]

@native mesa, what is the point of your comment? You seem to be making fun of me. I noticed you doing the same to others before in this thread. Care to explain why?

[native mesa]

It's just the most asked question here so it's funny

I guess I gotta be nicer to the newcomers

Some other guy called me a clown the other day. I guess that's accurate

[prisma hawk]

Yes, I would appreciate to be shown consideration and treated with respect, please. It is very off-putting, intimidating and not welcoming at all, thank you

[cerulean elk]

pins in the comments. If you cant figure it out DM me and I will give you a hand

I am a bit busy now but I will be free after 5 PM cst and I can help you out if you get stuck

[prisma hawk]

@cerulean elk, that is very kind of you, buddy. I am going OK! I will try the patches for Mario 64 in a bit : ) Happy Friday!

[weary beacon]

Welcome to the internet. Better have your big boy pants on.

[prisma hawk]

I'm in the U.K. so, it is almost 10 pm here, thanks again.

[prisma hawk]

Ha ha! I run a 50k+ games group, I can manage.

[daring meteor]

Well I got confused by the levels of memory aliasing and indirection going on here

Was worth a try

[native mesa]

All are welcome here. I'm just a nobody

[daring meteor]

Those dynlists and dynlist pointers and dynlist start adresses being different thing is a bit funny

[weary beacon]

Wait a minute. Since when I have been welcome here?

[native mesa]

Your 1s and 0s have their place I this interweb

[weary beacon]

Wow thanks man.

[chrome quest]

If you're after a potentially good example. FIFA 64 won't boot normally (apparently a TLB game). If data_cache is off though it boots, and you can immediately set it back on after that for performance gains. Just seems to do something on boot.

[daring meteor]

I tried SM64 because it had a decomp, mostly

[native mesa]

Those are nice scanlines

[thorn flax]

you know it

[wraith estuary]

are you trying to get the face intro to work without TLB?

[daring meteor]

Yes

The relevant file was goddard/renderer.c

It seems to alias memory in a weird way tho

[cerulean elk]

haha nice

[bronze elbow]

@zinc dew I just finished 100%ing Banjo-Kazooie USA (Rev 1) using the 23.10.04 core. If you want to mark it as completable. Issues seen are: odd outline on ant legs, noticeable slowdown on click clock woods and crackly audio on click clock woods and final boss.

[fair stump]

Robby updating the sheet

[nimble needle]

Whomever can showcase me sideways if it’s an FPGA PS2

[native mesa]

Sounds expensive

[rich delta]

Do these extra white pixels created above and below the long white bar by vi antialiasing happen on original hardware?

[ruby falcon]

Happy Friday everyone!

[native mesa]

Was the original comic "6" ?

[weary palm]

Hidden gem ❤️

[wraith estuary]

new core is looking great

[native mesa]

@weary palm got any more of this TLB removal decomps?

[weary palm]

here you go

[ruby falcon]

I've seen a bunch of variants of this comic

[compact depot]

I’m super worried about LEs usage after so much Vaseline 😱

Gotta get space for TLB

[daring meteor]

Paper mario shouldn't be hard if somone is bothered to install the toolkit

[wraith estuary]

keeps things exciting! things can always be optimized, or moved around. worst case, the core can have a TLB fork.

[cerulean elk]

I’ll give back the Vaseline if need be lol

[weary palm]

I bothered

[eternal ravine]

Does anyone even use Vaseline beyond the world of fighting?

Seems like one step away from Bag Balm

[cerulean elk]

N64 Vaseline video time

[thick terrace]

what's a divot?

[cerulean elk]

golf problem if you take too much of one

[wraith estuary]

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[native mesa]

Found out I have a hernia in my back

Weird

[drowsy lantern]

I find it’s really VI Bilinear that’s responsible for most of the unpleasant blur on the console.

It adds that kind of blur that makes your eyes feel like they’re out of focus and really strains them

[native mesa]

Yeah that's why people were able toake money with hardware mods for it

[weary palm]

It's very pleasant

[native mesa]

People who wear glasses are probably used to it

[cerulean elk]

unless we get TLB this weekend...I am clocking out lol

[eternal ravine]

Say "meow" to Pepsicat for us

[cerulean elk]

oh I will still be chatting...just no videos haha

[native mesa]

So I'll probably need surgery. May be the reason for my digestive issues as of late

I've never had surgery

[cerulean elk]

Damn. Thats no good

[cerulean elk]

Ive had both my knees reconstructed from skiing

[eternal ravine]

Wait, aren't you fairly young

[native mesa]

I guess I'm reaching that age where my body will start to fall apart

I'm 34

[drowsy lantern]

This doesn’t happen on real hardware, does it?

[eternal ravine]

Oh I was referring to Bacon's knees

[weary palm]

that black thing?

[cerulean elk]

you are never too old to take out your ACL and MCL in skiing accidents lol

injury surgeries

[weary palm]

yes, yes it does.

[eternal ravine]

Oh, I see

[weary beacon]

You're going to love 40

[cerulean elk]

pig ACL in one knee, cadaver in the other

[native mesa]

Shit as long as my dick works I don't care what else fails

[cerulean elk]

part swine, part zombie...all BACON lolol

[cerulean elk]

dont put stuff out into the universe like that

[weary palm]

ew. zombie bacon.

[cerulean elk]

bad juju

[native mesa]

I knocked on wood it's ok

[weary beacon]

Get a pet banana spider

[cerulean elk]

if it still works now I am wondering what wood you knocked on

🤣

[eternal ravine]

Pet coconut crab
So cuddly

[native mesa]

That's my secret. I'm always erect

[cerulean elk]

new N64 core appears: stop we can all only get so...well...ya know

[eternal ravine]

TLB is gonna cause some priapisms

[native mesa]

Hope there are no children here

It's unlikely right? In an N64 thread

[cerulean elk]

I think we are all children here in some way or another

[eternal ravine]

They grow up with the internet now

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune and @brisk drum are my kids after all

[native mesa]

As long as it's not the legal kind of child

[left depot]

Yep I'm not a fan of the bilinear on N64 or otherwise. Great that we have the option 🙂

[weary palm]

what filters are you guy using? im using gaussian

[eternal ravine]

Does "Scanlines Medium" add even more blur

[bronze tree]

That's a really interesting effect 🙂

[brisk drum]

Thanks dad

[left depot]

@modern sleet thanks for the new YC build, testing now

[weary palm]

i wish he was my dad too

[eternal ravine]

Imagine ransacking all the obscure arcade hardware and not putting it back correctly

[native mesa]

Lol

That just means there's money out there instead

[bronze tree]

I'm pretty sure he's taking about the text when the tree moves underneath

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/JP_qF5E4w7U

[eternal ravine]

"Have you kids been using my Hyper Neo Geo 64???"

[weary palm]

Oh, I see. I tried to film that too before, but I got moire hell

[cerulean elk]

get in your room! Go play MiSTer

[weary palm]

go clean up your ROMs

[modest helm]

Absolutely amazing that we can play Perfect Dark now. Is this rom hack that removes the TLB the best way to play the game on N64 now since it increases the frame rate substantially?

[languid dune]

My mom Awbacon. 😏

[left depot]

Or will it continue to randomly crash after the regular TLB version is working on the core...

[modest helm]

Yeah that’s why I’m asking. I’ve heard about the random crashing

[native mesa]

Probably save for some crashes

[left depot]

Any multiplayer crashes for anyone?

[modest helm]

Playing through combat simulator rn. No issues so far

[brisk drum]

You can’t tell me what to do!

[languid dune]

We've got a rebelion going on in the household!

[weary palm]

can't build paper mario sadly

[languid dune]

lol, every time I notice a minor mistake in one of Awbacon's videos, I always check the comments section, and every time someone mentions it. 😅

So the lesson learned is to intentionally include a minor error in each video to help drive interaction in the comments and improve the Youtube algorithm!

[cerulean elk]

Who says it’s not intentional…

[quaint pewter]

Pokemon Snap 2?

[cerulean elk]

A real “snap” decision 🤣

Rarely is something unintentional. Like how every time I show Star Wars I say “honestly I am not the biggest Star Wars fan”…people love to comment on that haha

[languid dune]

The ultimate bait.

[quaint pewter]

If Pokemon Snap 2 had Thanos in it, I would play that.

Get the number back down to a managable 500ish.

[languid dune]

I fully expect that Ridge Racer 64 will be called Rage Racer 64 in the next video.

[native mesa]

I hate Star Wars (franchise) as much as I love Star Wars (franchise)

[quaint pewter]

Rogue Squadron is my favourite Star Trek game.

[native mesa]

But I love Star Wars (film)

[languid dune]

So what you're saying is that you hate the original trilogy, but love the prequel trilogy.

It's the only logical conclusion.

[quaint pewter]

Is he shouting that at a sand castle?

[eternal ravine]

It takes a certain skill to make worse SW movies than the prequels
But they managed to do it

[native mesa]

Yea

[eternal ravine]

I wish we had gotten a sandbox game of SOLO
With sex droid sidekick

I'm not sure I will ever rewatch the Jar Jar Abrams ones

[tropic sand]

Robert's n64 progress revealed....

[languid dune]

A sandbox game with Anakin would be like a survival horror game!

[native mesa]

1x1 parsecs

[eternal ravine]

Space Walrus milk powerups

[fair stump]

For the test sheet and sports games, what is enough for completable? You can finish a single game or does there need to be more?

[weary palm]

Back? They never go further than 2015?

[dusty tusk]

I'd say as long as you can hit credits, or the equivalent for games that don't have distinct endings.

[native mesa]

FPGA really throws a wrench in the John Titor time traveler story

[fair stump]

Like a complete franchise or season?

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, whatwver the longest tournament structure is

[fair stump]

That makes sense. A bit daunting 😅

[native mesa]

'completable' is a dumb metric

Bug free gameplay it should be

[dusty tusk]

Most sports games reuse a ton of code, so I doubt there are many outliers going from single matches to a full season

[hearty oar]

can confirm

[fair stump]

Man, Madden 99 getting out there with the ultra casual options

[weary palm]

one button? must be a mobile game

[hearty oar]

but mobile games usually have no buttons at all

[fair stump]

A single madden 99 game can be completed but I don't think I'll go through all the modes 😆

[weary palm]

the screen is a single button

kinda

[hearty oar]

"just treat it like a mouse input" is what you can say to mobile game designers to really get them riled up

[weary palm]

yes. but you got 10 mice.

[brisk drum]

@cerulean elk did you really just call Pokémon stadium 2 .. Pokémon snap 2!!?

[hearty oar]

oh snap!

[cerulean elk]

Lol I did

[brisk drum]

Unsubbed

I don’t even like Pokémon snap …

[woeful beacon]

What you get for cranking these out faster than I can take a shit

[cerulean elk]

I was looking at Snap footage and Stadium footage to decide which showed more of a visual difference. Two games, same franchise…both with S in the second word. It happens 🤷🏻‍♂️

[woeful beacon]

The only way to right this wrong is to review Pokemon snap 2 and call it Pokemon stadium 2 the entire time

[cerulean elk]

Haha that would be a good time

[cold pollen]

This is the real logic many people use

[sly wasp]

The Pj64 emulator gets around TLB using "Physical lookup table", "TLB unmapping" and "Protect Memory"..this might help/be a place to start: http://forum.pj64-emu.com/showthread.php?t=4384
EDIT: My bad, it might not. someone said it has TLB forced on for games that need it regardless of what you set in options.

[languid dune]

On purpose!

[wise hemlock]

The only lesson I learned is I want More Bacon

[zenith orchid]

I think OoT is the main game of which the vaseline look is just too much. probably because the colors generally don't contrast very much to begin with

[fair stump]

How far we have come

[cerulean elk]

Now it’s less clear the game is bad 😉

[sly wasp]

And yet a lot of people (including Robert I think) prefer the authentic N64 look..it just comes down to personal preference I guess..plus we have options to turn vi features on/off so it doesn't really matter.

[cold pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-tobey-maguire-four-eyes-glasses-cant-see-gif-5621389

[eternal ravine]

I think I prefer the chunky look for Q-64

[hearty oar]

beat me to it lol @cold pollen

[cold pollen]

You did the legwork lol

I was lazy and not by a computer

Nicely done

[neat sierra]

Just like every console 5th gen on back looks better on crt 😜

[zenith orchid]

It would be nice if there were an option that only the floor and skies got the filter

[fair stump]

For the most part I like everything turned on but in some cases it's a tad too much, like the screens above probably

[zenith orchid]

I like that with video processing filters you can introduce your own blur and give it as much as you want. and then sharpen the blended colors with scanlines and/or shadowmasks

so you could easily do without bilinear and dedither

[sly wasp]

another interesting piece of info I found :

TLB Mapping
Some games are difficult to ASM hack because they use virtual addresses. The virtual addresses are mapped to physical addresses through the translation lookaside buffer (TLB). Currently, the only way to work around the TLB is to view the mapped address in the memory viewer (Nemu)/RAM Edit (GSCC) to get the 32-bit hex value of the instruction where the break occurred while the game is still halted. Then search for it in the memory, checking each result in the memory viewer against the surrounding bytes at the TLB mapped address until the routine is found. Keep in mind this won't work on Goldeneye, because the physical location of most of the assembly changes randomly each time a level is loaded.
``` from https://doc.kodewerx.org/hacking_n64.html#asm_tlb_mapping

[hearty oar]

I think texture filtering at the very least is a must, the texels are too enormous for most things otherwise

[weary beacon]

agree with bilinear. I would switch out dedither for dither though.

[hearty oar]

like the original side by side but with texture filtering still enabled on the left would be interesting to see

[fair stump]

Our lord and savior Robert have made all of these toggle-able

[zenith orchid]

I wonder if in-between options could be a thing for some of them. so instead of on/off you have 25% 50% 75%

[brisk drum]

I don’t bilieb it

[fair stump]

Flipping them all off is like when you see people post de-makes of games

[brisk drum]

Stolen

[eternal ravine]

I wonder if there will be a blur backlash eventually when people are like, "Yeah after further inspekshon, jagged looks better"

I guess the key will be experimenting and finding what works for you, just like VGE sez

[rose elbow]

Ocarina of time i don't mind the blur

[eternal ravine]

Majora's Mask is rough-looking to me, but I think it was always that way

[rose elbow]

yeah alot of later games are a bit like that almost

i dont have a save file for MM yet, will need to look at it. is that one playable ?

i suppose it is, there was the discussion of the Beneath the Well area earlier aha

[eternal ravine]

Dark, blurry, weird trails all over like I'm tripping
Will retry later with all the blur options

[rose elbow]

yeah the weird trails is the thing that comes to mind

have to imagine thats seperate from the blur. will be curious to poke around at

dedither is not going to fix this

[weary palm]

you can take the tlb out of the game, but you can't take the game out of the tlb

[eternal ravine]

MM doesn't have that sort of trails, just the official ones used by the game

[rose elbow]

yoshi's story atm is kind of like playing a Jackson Pollock version of mario paint 🎨

[eternal ravine]

AKA Jerkson Pollock

[rose elbow]

ive kind of avoided it cos i thought it would give me a headache or make me feel sick but im kind of enjoying this LOL

Fifa 98 is one where i really appreciate turning de-dither off.

[hearty oar]

Robert posted above about this, I think it is missing 8-bit texture support - so the trails are just garbage from previous frames that doesn't get cleared from the framebuffer afaict

[topaz otter]

Chatgpt can't write an N64 emulator but it can pretend to be an anime waifu

[eternal ravine]

It will be crazeee to see what sort of psychedelic games AI will cook up

[rose elbow]

ive been impressed with the Ai pics that get posted here. the weird goofy N64 offshoot console mockups

theyre clearly AI and 'wrong' in some instances but still doing a good job processing what is the console, what is the game image, etc.

[cold pollen]

I miss my Midjourney sub. Might try the ChatGPT sub once Dall-E 3 is fully integrated for everyone

[eternal ravine]

Yeah, Ai can cook up imagery that would require some sort of notable mental illness in human creators

[rose elbow]

ahaha

i def enjoy that like, as AI gets better there'll still be artists who prefer the broken stuff where AI gets stuff wrong and conjurs up nightmares

[cold pollen]

Ugh it's $20 a month I dunno

Bing chat does it right now and is free so maybe I'll stick with that lol

[eternal ravine]

I still like the SEGBA 64 console someone posted

[paper orchid]

If at some point they manage to recreate the Goldeneye Long Mouth then I'll be happy

[cold pollen]

that sounds frightening

Here you go I made a game

[weary palm]

TLB BLT

[cold pollen]

Rated T of course

[eternal ravine]

NI64L with the controller cart, makes perfect sense

And apparently lime leaves from Thai cuisine

[rose elbow]

lol the controller inputs on the cartridge itself

"Aww Crap my game froze again!"

[cold pollen]

I feel like my 007- Goldenfool got one upped by the BLT N64

[fair stump]

That's pretty hilarious and I didn't even consider it

[rose elbow]

GoldenFool is really impressive

it doesnt have that AI nightmare juice, it just looks like a photoshop lol

[cold pollen]

that's like the fourth version and best one

lol

[rose elbow]

hahahaha

[cold pollen]

this one is almost good lol

[eternal ravine]

wut

[rose elbow]

GoldenF∞l

Rated Mr T

[eternal ravine]

@weary palm
What resolution do these get rendered at

[cold pollen]

no clue for Bing

[native mesa]

You can use Patcher 64+ to disable motion blur effects in Majora's Mask

[cold pollen]

I haven't ever gotten that far into it lol

[weary palm]

new accessory guys. Nintendo Snortscope. Bond loves it.

[eternal ravine]

Biomechanical

[weary palm]

1024x1024

[eternal ravine]

Can you pay to get higher rez?

[cold pollen]

not with bing I think

chatGPT might give you more control

or the actual Dall E site

[weary palm]

Can't recreate that famous corner of the mouth... 😦

[cold pollen]

did it actually generate that lol

[weary palm]

yes

That's Pere Finen. Famous actor.

Bond 077

[dense chasm]

*0077

[weary palm]

I pity the fool

[rose elbow]

the n64 core is getting me wanting an OLED..

the difference on my (admitedely not the best) flatscreen tv and CRT is so massive

in terms of brightness

it might be time..

hot wheels menu glitches, already mentioned in the compatability tracker

[fair stump]

Wow

[rose elbow]

wonder if its similar to yoshis story

[cold pollen]

it's exactly the same game but with hot wheels instead of Yoshi

[trim seal]

Something to detect if the normal vector is within a certain angle of the cardinals or part of the skybox....Maybe not in an fpga implementation..

[zenith orchid]

yeah there's a Doom64 hack that allows you to use bilinear on only the sky texture

[rose elbow]

texture filtering seems to be one that i don't think i'll bother turning off

a lot of n64 games seem to stretch textures out like butter

[zenith orchid]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7897/

[latent galleon]

things look so wrong with it off

i mean the art was all created to live behind the vaseline

[rose elbow]

Default brightness is now 100%.

aha

[zenith orchid]

definitely a quality of life improvement, so you don't have to do it manually every time you boot the game

[trim seal]

Oh yeah, doing it in the game code is a lot "easier" because the game knows what is what, I was more thinking a general filter for all games that might be able to work it out on th efly.

[zenith orchid]

yeah, that would be tough because a lot of games use different RDP microcode

hence why we can't have a general widescreen hack like we can on the PSX core

[trim seal]

Aye

[dusty tusk]

The Doom community truly is something special

[zenith orchid]

Couldn't agree more, I used to follow the community quite a lot from the mid 90s to mid 2000s. Its pretty cool the things they continue to accomplish these days

[cerulean elk]

Damn how there’s a game I want to play

[modest helm]

Anyone tried XG-2 on the latest core? I've got the weirdest bug where the game looks flawless but once you get in game the controls don't work at all. Weird

[cold pollen]

The first version was better if you scroll up slightly

[cerulean elk]

I’ll check. I fell asleep. Decided to just lie down for ten minutes and read my phone…and done for

Some magic games right there. Goldenfool. Can AI just make that game real for me please

[neat sierra]

Gotta wake up early and head to the YouTube mines. You’re worried your cough might be the onset of YouTube lung

[vapid ember]

with Japanese games, is there a easy way to rename the bios like EU version or are just not really supported yet? I was thinking of trying Animal Crossing which is JP only

[cerulean elk]

YouTube lung. Too much social media asbestos

[neat sierra]

Or maybe it’s more like Fred from this old Dunks ads. “Time to make the youtubes”

[eternal ravine]

YT uses subliminals on creators to bend them to YT will

[neat sierra]

https://youtu.be/petqFm94osQ?si=Uvx6JRfZ2mfaCusV

[mild ether]

The bios for US and Japan are the same.

[vapid ember]

Ok cool thanks I was following @orchid nimbus site and it seemed to indicate you needed to use a different bios or at least its not really spelled out that it can be used for both.

[fair stump]

Just look at this poor kid

[inner plume]

Someone call CPS, this kid is malnourished

[cold pollen]

good idea

[inner plume]

You know you're getting old when you remember kids having paper routes. Now adults just do it

[cold pollen]

Here's a screenshot from Goldenfool

[kind solar]

it's nice how the n64 look is part of the console rather than so much relying on the crt

[cold pollen]

Dall E does a good job of voxels I guess

What word would describe N64 3D graphics?

[marble cargo]

Bacon grease

[cold pollen]

Low poly maybe

lmao

[mild ether]

Now that looks like a spot on Model 2 game.

[cold pollen]

Right? lol

[main dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/magnifying-glass-suspicious-where-lupe-close-up-gif-21831367

[rose elbow]

ya i've been battling with this a bit and learning along the way. going back to original hardware and using s-video, i always thought the little bits of 'stray pixels' was part of the video output signal or something

it's really interesting seeing it replicated here so cleanly

[inner plume]

I'm just really excited to see how far he can take this core on the MiSTer

I'm expecting at some point there will be a "well I can't implement anything more and have it fit on the MiSTer" announcement but the amount of features and playable games already is astounding

[kind solar]

can confirm the gamecube controller via 8bitdo gbros works including rumble support, don't think i've seen it mentioned

[zenith orchid]

Does anyone here with original hardware have harvest moon 64?

[inner plume]

I do @zenith orchid

[zenith orchid]

could you post a pic of how the naming screen looks?

I'm getting so many different results with the VI settings

[inner plume]

I can later, it's actually put away right now

[zenith orchid]

and I'm not sure which is right

[inner plume]

Once I get my kids to bed I can dig it out and hook it up

[dusty tusk]

Were the waves always purple in dkr?

[cerulean elk]

Why is this just not the A Team by now

Gimme Face and Murdock

[inner plume]

@zenith orchid Of course it's at the bottom of the storage bin my retro consoles are in 😄

[zenith orchid]

one is all settings off(including texture filtering) and the other is all on

and it seems divot introduces white dots on the edge

[zenith orchid]

can't leave the good stuff at the bottom 😄

it seems that disabling AA+divot and texture filtering cleans up most of this

[inner plume]

I'll look a bit more in a bit, but bad news, my power cable doesn't seem to be in here

[zenith orchid]

uh oh..

[inner plume]

This actually sucks, I wanted to hook this up in my room soon

I'll see if I can find it, should be around here somewhere

[zenith orchid]

Good thing its been brought to your attention sooner than later 👍

[gray surge]

Having issues with the Switch Online N64 controller. It’s sending inputs without pushing buttons. Anyone else having this issue?

Or is my controller just defective?

[zenith orchid]

is it the official NSO controller? 😄

[gray surge]

Yes.

[zenith orchid]

there's your problem

jk I have no idea 🤣

[gray surge]

Whomp whomp.

[primal bolt]

dont you need to do something manually to get that working?

[gray surge]

Ooh. Phantasm. I like that username. Not related to the movie is it?

[primal bolt]

No, but the movies are good

[burnt phoenix]

Analogue stick inputs? Mine does that too, had to lay it on the ground and very carefully press each without jiggling the rest of it to get mapped

[gray surge]

YOU PLAY A GOOD GAME BOY!

All I know is that it’s pressing buttons as I’m trying to enter mappings.

[zenith orchid]

@inner plume so the main reason I'm hoping to get a screenshot from original hardware is to just get an idea if the game should be disabling AA+Divot on the naming screen. I'm betting it is as there are no polygons

And goodness does texture filtering make the text in harvest moon 64 look nasty

strangely enough, AA makes it look a little better

[zinc dew]

I missed today’s update

How is it?

[cold pollen]

Divoty

[worldly flint]

Perfect for the N64 golf games

[kind solar]

it needs a driver update. i think the pinned posts explain

[eternal ravine]

Dorf approved

[cold pollen]

Drivers and divots

[inner plume]

@zenith orchid Here you go

[zenith orchid]

Sweet! glad you found it

[inner plume]

Yep! Turns out I didn't remove it from where I had it last plugged in and it fell behind the TV

[zenith orchid]

gotta love a good happy ending

[inner plume]

Goddammit I just wanted to play some Majora's Mask

Now I want to do some comparisons since I have the console out

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun according to the above screenshot, it may he that the game is supposed to be able to disable texture filter

[inner plume]

THIS IS YOUR FAULT

😛

[zenith orchid]

🤣🤣

[inner plume]

At least it's Friday. No bedtime for me

[zenith orchid]

anyway, looks like the game leaves AA/Divot on, because those white dots on the edge of the frame to the left are caused by it

On a separate note, I think it's safe to say that the technical term for the vaseline effect is dedither.

[dusty tusk]

I think the intro for Top Gear Hyper Bike does the same thing Yoshi does with the image replication

[rose elbow]

VI stands for Vaseline Effect

[vapid moat]

Vaseline Interface

[zenith orchid]

dedither is really the bulk of the blur though.

[vapid moat]

Is it not supported on F-Zero X tho?

[zenith orchid]

that's a good question, I haven't tested F-Zero X in a while

[rose elbow]

is the dedither/vaseline effect at different levels for different games? it seems stronger in some games than other, unless im misunderstanding something

[zenith orchid]

it might be. in Turok and Hexen, it looks primarily like a blur filter

[vapid moat]

Doesn't work for me at least

Dunno if it's hardware accurate

[zenith orchid]

I'll try in just a moment, gonna get some tea first

[inner plume]

Here's a comparison of MM (left is n64, right is mister, sorry I'm not in the same spot in both games so some things on screen are late game in the left one)

Some observations: The MiSTer one looks a tad darker but fairly accurate. It's slightly more crisp but the N64 is only S-Video, so while close not a direct comparison

While I was setting up the shot, I couldn't help but notice how much slower the N64 version runs compared to the MiSTer core. There is a lot more slowdown. Is this because some things that might slow down processing aren't yet implemented? Or is there some other reason the MiSTer core would outperform original hardware?

[zenith orchid]

you are so right, dedither does absolutely nothing

[zenith orchid]

the core hasn't yet reached the cycle accuracy testing phase

[inner plume]

Fair enough

I thought that may be the case

[zenith orchid]

@inner plume btw, do you have f-zero x?

[inner plume]

I don't believe so

[eternal island]

and once they implement that extra blur

it will be the first thing i turn back off

[inner plume]

I do have an Everdrive but I had to repurpose its SD card for something else

[zenith orchid]

yeah I getcha

it takes full sized SDs right?

[inner plume]

MicroSDs

I'm staring at two SD cards on my desk, and I'm not sure whats on them. Maybe I can steal one of those

[plush summit]

@inner plume, how's the MiSTer plugged in?

[inner plume]

HDMI to a shitty composite converter

.
.
.

Bad late night joke, it's VGA to component

[plush summit]

good stuff bud, thanks!

[inner plume]

@zenith orchid Formatted one of my spare SD cards for the ED64, what did you want to see from F-Zero

[little socket]

In my experience if there are two ad cards with unknown content then at least one ia dead

[zenith orchid]

if you could go to time attack leave the vehicle in idle, and take a really close up shot of the vehicle

we just want to see the dithering pattern

this is what I have

.

just selecting time attack and then mashing A