Nintendo 64

[primal bolt]

I think Rondo, SOTN, Bloodlines, and III are my favorites

[brisk drum]

I agree with that

[eternal ravine]

Hard Corps seems like a Treasure game to me

[brisk drum]

It kinda is ..

[primal bolt]

its sick

[brisk drum]

Not sure if it was made after former Konami staff formed treasure

[eternal ravine]

There's a certain manic feel it nails

[primal bolt]

its hardcore, pun intended

[eternal ravine]

I've actually been playing the arcade Super Contra

[brisk drum]

Well shit all this talk about castlevania has got me wanting to attempt a run ..

[eternal ravine]

Arcade Contras are odd

[quaint rune]

Castlevania 64 is awesome, beat it 100% back in the day with all the different characters and everything.

[brisk drum]

Arcade jackal ! Amazing … arcade contra .. no thanks

[chilly ember]

How hard is castlevania 64? Is there anything else dumb like the bomb part?

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/stone-cold-steve-austin-steve-austin-beer-beer-bash-hell-yeah-gif-23921351

[brisk drum]

Tbh I never got around to beating it …

Didn’t it own it as a kid because of the bad rep it had :.

Mostly why I wanna play it now

[chilly ember]

I always heard it wasn't great so i never really played much of it, people were saying it's better after the first level but i never played that far lol

[eternal ravine]

N64 never got the poverty platformers like Bubsy and Zool, right?

[primal bolt]

ill playthrough both 64 castlevanias when the core is a little further along

and when i have an n64 controller

[native mesa]

Lol

I think N64 required too much of an investment to develop for to make shovelware

[eternal ravine]

Yeah, thankfully

[languid dune]

Quality over quantity!

Tried out that Perfect Dark patch, and yeah, that's definitely Perfect Dark on the N64 core.

I think it disables the d-pad though for some reason.

[eternal ravine]

We will never know how Shaq Fu 64 could have turned out

[brisk drum]

Try hercules ..

[eternal ravine]

Though it did get... Clay Fighter

🤢

[brisk drum]

I love clay fighters

[cerulean elk]

Better than Brian 64 I’m sure

[languid dune]

Shots fired! Robby is down! I repeat. Robby is down!

[eternal ravine]

I'll give Clay Fighters one thing - You can actually play it OK

I'll give it another try on the current core

[brisk drum]

Don’t play the sculptors cut

It has more characters but they removed the super easy combo system

[languid dune]

Poor Hobo Cop never made any cut.

[native mesa]

I never knew there was so much Glover hate

Glover is fun

[brisk drum]

Wait .. you serious ?

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-a-good-one-gif-13993813984575052097

[languid dune]

That's it. The gloves are off.

[eternal ravine]

Someone, one person, worked hard on that game

[native mesa]

I used to play around with all the cheats

[eternal ravine]

(I'm kidding, I have never played it)

[native mesa]

Or maybe it was a gameshark

[brisk drum]

I had it as a kid .,!

[native mesa]

Does gameshark work in this core yet?

[languid dune]

But why are Glover's thumb and pinky the same!? I ask yee? Why!?

Two fingers couldn't be more different!

[eternal ravine]

It must have been to distinguish from Hamburger Helper

[languid dune]

He's already a monstrosity with only 4 fingers. But they had to take it a step further. He is no glove for a human hand!

[eternal ravine]

Still not as bad as Wild Woody
Only Amiga games can have worse mascots

WHY wielding dynamite

[brisk edge]

Because he's WILD

[eternal ravine]

And rapey, going by the looks of "it"

[brisk edge]

The cutscenes in that game are very manic and bizarre

[jade jetty]

the point of mister for me is that it provides a much lower latency experience than software emulation, even on LCD
from what I've seen, play-ahead in software EMU glitches out sometimes. mister doesn't really do that.

itll make it look so bad
I think it looks better. and I grew up with NES, SNES, N64, etc, all on CRTs.
not everyone prefers CRTs. CRT vs LCD is basically a console war. so, silly.

can't really argue against opinions. they're opinions

so, personal

[eternal ravine]

CRTs can be great to have, but the size potential cannot compete with HDTVs

[jade jetty]

yeah. I'm not anti CRT either. but I don't have the interest enough to expend the effort and cash to acquire one, or the space 😄

and I love big ass TVs

[latent galleon]

don't feed da trooooolls...unless their name rhymes with casketbake

[mortal panther]

MiSTer (or more specifically, the Mean Well PSU) is a noisy bastard. Can see the moment in the waterfall when I turned it on.

[jade jetty]

I think they don't think they're trolling

but maybe I'm wrong

[languid dune]

My last CRT was 40 inches and weighed 304 pounds. Loved that thing, but I don't miss the space it took up.

[eternal ravine]

Holy crappe, 40"?
I have a 34" and that TV is a nightmare to move

[latent galleon]

i think coming into this channel in particular and slagging on fpga accuracy, hyping software emulation, etc...is pretty trolly

but it also went on for like an hour

[jade jetty]

yeah. this is the wrong place for all that too, probably

[mortal panther]

Damn right. That 34" Sony KV-34XBR910 widescreen I had weighed 200 lbs, and that was more than enough for me (and two other people) to deal with.

[jade jetty]

I see it as some people can't help themselves but assert their opinion as objective

[eternal ravine]

I guess I didn't know they made actual 40" CRTs
I thought you had to move to projection TVs at that point

[jade jetty]

and don't really understand how to engage in good faith discussion

but,

it was also a while ago. obv I was reading the scrollback and replying to whatever was interesting to me

and got trolled 😄

[languid dune]

Here's an old picture of that CRT:

[eternal ravine]

So crisp

[mortal panther]

Mine had a similar stand and style.

[eternal ravine]

@languid dune
Oooohhh, yeah I've seen that one. Even saw one for sale somewhat locally

[mortal panther]

I do miss it sometimes.

[languid dune]

My parents had one like that.

[eternal ravine]

I'd get the 4:3 one, but my 16:9 CRT was not worth the pain

And doesn't display 240p well

Good for PS2 and uhh a couple others at least

[mortal panther]

I had it since the mid '00s. It served its purpose. I gave it up when I got my first 55" Vizio M-series.

Wasn't impressed with how '240p' consoles looked on it, so that's why I wasn't too heartbroken letting it go.

[languid dune]

When I gave mine up, it was for a Panasonic plasma.

[mortal panther]

All I could think of was "I don't have to move this 200 lb bitch anymore!" 😄

The PS3 looked great on it though.

...but looked better on the Vizio. 🙂

[languid dune]

Yeah, I gave mine away for free to one of my friend's parents. All it cost him was that he had to move it out of the house himself. 🤣

[dusk glen]

I do enjoy playing on CRT to this day, but due to space constraints, I can't justify using it all the time. I'll usually do this when friends come over, but most of the time I'll play on LCD. The latency compared to a CRT is about half a frame with vsync_adjust=2 with my crappiest LCD or about 1/4 of a frame on my best LCD.

[eternal ravine]

I just keep them around for testing zappers and 3D stuff with old consoles

And some like the SC-3000 just look right on a small CRT via composhite

[mortal panther]

Pretty much the same here. The movers that handled getting all the stuff we had in storage into the house we're in now, I just let them have it, because it was one of the last things left on the truck, and I didn't feel like dealing with it. Seemed like the perfect opportunity to say "You know what, guys? You fight over it, if you want it."
They were thrilled... and so was I, to be honest.

[fair stump]

Robert is gonna wear out his finger scrolling

[eternal ravine]

I think he looks for mentions of his name for anything important
Plus people calm down with off topic when he's around

[dusk glen]

Also, I'm not old enough to have stopped hearing the annoying 15kHz whine when playing on a TV instead of a PC monitor.

[coral timber]

Is there a way to put the N64 core into Fullscreen for use with the 240p 120hz hack? I noticed the OSD doesn't show Aspect Ratio as an option yet being a test core.

[elder glade]

A few edge cases put them behind the MiSTer cores but pretty close from what I hear.

[weary palm]

where can I find this hack

[brisk drum]

I own a mega sg and super nt .. played em for a solid year before I got my MISTer ..

[coral timber]

I found it from this vid.
https://youtu.be/P3t3Wi7eQ0g

[brisk drum]

Both great machines once you jail break them

[old iris]

What kind of controller connection system is there, SNAC? After all, mega sg has the ability to connect two controllers....

[eternal ravine]

The $200 Analogue consoles seem like decent value to me

[bronze elbow]

Not sure why we are talking about analogue systems for non nintendo 64 in the nintendo 64 thread lol

[fair stump]

Been like that all night

[brisk drum]

The mega sg is the better value .. since you also get master system, GG, and the early japan only sega consoles

[bronze elbow]

Is #fpga-platforms too busy bashing mars so the analogue prospects end up here?

[old iris]

This is already the main thread for talking about everything)

[brisk drum]

I was all another abalogue until I discovered the MISTer project

But I digress , let’s move this to fpga platforms or whatever

[eternal ravine]

Yeah! Sry Robert

[primal bolt]

Rza Bobby

[eternal ravine]

I hope he doesn't ragequit due to our random chit chat

[fair stump]

I don't know anything about custom modelines with this core but I'll bring this back up in case somebody else here does

I believe crt isn't fully implemented at the minute though

From the pins so your mileage may vary at this point if it's a crt thing

[zealous hull]

I've been playing Ocarina of Time again for the first time in maybe 10 years or so? When did the 3DS port come out?

Wow it really holds up. So excited to start doing randomized runs once I finish the base game again to refamiliarize myself.

hot take, oot is pretty good you all

[chilly ember]

I kinda wish there was a rom hack for ocarina of time on n64 that mirrored everything like that extra mode you get on 3ds when you finish it

[primal bolt]

did you play the master quest version?

[zealous hull]

I always loved how the two versions of Twilight Princess did that right from the start.

[coral timber]

Mm, 120hz is a hacky workaround for VGA CRTs so I'd understand if that feature is just baked into 15khz support as a whole - but if there happens to be a workaround for not having the OSD toggle, that'd open this up for people to use freely until 15Khz support is working.

I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to add support for just that if there isn't a way though Is it worth suggesting somewhere for a future test build?

[chilly ember]

Yea, i just never finished it

[primal bolt]

I never played it yet. im gonna re-beat the original first

[fair stump]

Unfortunately I know nothing about all of that 😅 but it sounds like something you could ping him about and he could give you an answer

[cold pollen]

IV feels like a natural progression of the series to me. Many improvements not the least of which is the 8 way whip which feels soooo good I can't imagine why it didn't become the standard. Rondo is awesome but I prefer IV.

IV is my top, then Rondo, then Bloodlines, then III, then the original and everything else is meh

[primal bolt]

the only meh is maybe 2 and 64 games

I still like 2 though

[pale granite]

theres a QoL rompatch for 2 that makes it more playable

[cold pollen]

2 I have nostalgia for but it's "fuck this game" nostalgia

[primal bolt]

true, definitely probably a must have

it sucks you need a guide for it

[rose crypt]

4 is my least favourite "good" castlevania game

the vibes are weird and bland compared to the rest of the series

[pale granite]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/868/

[rose crypt]

I still like it well enough but I'd rather play 1, 3, Rondo, Bloodlines, or any of the Iga games

[primal bolt]

that hack was likely born out of AVG video

influenced

[rose elbow]

i still need to play thru 2 properly. i have a lot of respect for it but mostly from the outside looking in, i don't really enjoy playing it 😅

but the soundtrack is sooooooo good

[rose elbow]

i was thinking about this too also. like i can't wait for the N64 core to be able to boot Castlevania 64, but also.. is it going to be a thing of booting it, saying "neat" then moving on to something else LOL

[rose crypt]

underrated track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HUwLA57paU

[primal bolt]

ill play through them both, but they are definitely on the bottom of the Castlevania list I think

[rose elbow]

i def wanna try and play thru them at least once

[primal bolt]

yea for sure

[rose elbow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-P4SjqtRkg&feature=youtu.be

[primal bolt]

I think the 2nd one is suppose to be better

even though you are a werewolf or whatever

but thats a nice unique idea for castlevania

[rose elbow]

yeah. weird decision to make a merged sequel/first game revision into one

everyone ive heard talk about that game says "2nd one is better but probably still play C64 first"

[primal bolt]

true

[rose crypt]

i do kinda want to check them out even though they're unequivocally bad

[pale granite]

from what I remember the 2nd n64 game had better flow, the 1st was not bad, but felt like they barely started with 3d

[primal bolt]

they probably arent bad games, just bad castlevanias

[rose elbow]

i def love that vibe of early 64 and PS1 games where it feels like the devs are learning how to battle with 3D .. granted it makes for games with bad controls, bad camera.. but also, the games are all so unique and interesting because of it. it feels like digging thru janky NES games a bit

[primal bolt]

not saying they are great games though

still worth a playthrough for any fan

[rose elbow]

TMNT platformer on NES also gives me CV vibes, the soundtrack. if that's just a soundfont thing or different composers using the same tools

[rose crypt]

they're both konami right?

[rose elbow]

ya

[rose crypt]

konami had that signature drum sound

[rose elbow]

i think it's a same tools thing

[rose crypt]

yeah

[rose elbow]

they sound so identical tho its really funny

[nova grotto]

Which perfect dark rom version do i have to use in order to patch the TLB ?

[chilly ember]

8.7/revision A

[inner plume]

Is there a trick to saving games with this core? According to my research, saving and loading was supported about a month ago, but whenever I save a game and reset, my data is gone when I try to load it

I have Autosave on in the core menu

[fair stump]

I believe it depends on the save type of the game

[primal bolt]

do you have to reset after you save?

[fair stump]

If it's a controller pak game you may need to try formatting the pak before hand

[rose elbow]

i'm not 100% sure but i do recall discussion earlier that unstable mister build might also play into it #1096015979055697940 message

[inner plume]

So far I've tried Bomberman Hero and the no-face patched SM64

[fair stump]

Mario should just work so bitroast may be right

[cold pollen]

what

get off the drugs

drugs are bad

That game was life changing when I played it

[inner plume]

Ah, so maybe saving is borked in the latest version is what you mean?

[cold pollen]

Then everybody hyped Rondo and I played it and was like "wtf you can't even diagonal whip"

[quaint rune]

It was weird to me In that aspect after coming from 4. I loved being able to whip diagonally

[fair stump]

When you have mario loaded what is the save type set to in the osd system settings?

[rose crypt]

I mean it helps that I came to it late

[inner plume]

None. I think I see the problem now 😂

[fair stump]

Ah there you go

Mine is set to EEPROM4

I think that comes from the n64 database file

[rose elbow]

thats what the database file, it sets up the osd settings per game ?

[fair stump]

Do you have the latest copy of that?

[inner plume]

Is the dB file something I should have set up when I installed the core?

Probably not

[rose elbow]

(again im not 100% sure on this stuff aha, i should keep mouth shut and let other people explain instead of guessing. 😅 )

[fair stump]

I'm no expert either so it's fine 😅

[rose elbow]

we like trying to figure this stuff out

[inner plume]

Usually I use update_all to manage my cores so this is my first time setting one up manually

[fair stump]

https://vampier.net/N64

You'll see a section for the database file

Feel free to read over the whole page to make sure you're set up right

[inner plume]

That site looks like a great resource

Thank you

I did

[velvet nexus]

xenogears definitely did this.

[fair stump]

Enjoy! My general tip is always play a little, save, and try to reload

[inner plume]

Also looks like with a change to downloader.ini I can manage it with the update script

[nova grotto]

Still no luck

[inner plume]

I'll give these tips a shot and see if that solves my saving issue, thanks!

[chilly ember]

Did you load non patched perfect dark first so it chooses right cic and save type?

[rose elbow]

if i have to hear princess peach invite me over for cake.. one more time...

[fair stump]

Banjo Kazooie intro

[rose elbow]

i'm on track now with the saves but there was def a period where i was seeing that intro countless times

[nova grotto]

No I didn't , so first I have to load the unmodded rom in order to make the n64 core pre configure the game automatically before booting the modded one ?

[rose elbow]

i think you can also edit the database text file manually

[chilly ember]

Yea that's the easiest way because it's not in the database yet

[rose elbow]

loading the unmodded rom first will configure the OSD settings as per the original game. then if u boot into the patched rom and it doesn't match anything in the database file, it'll keep the settings as per the previously loaded game (which would be the unmodded perfect dark rom)

[nova grotto]

Still no luck just in case... which SHA-1 is the perfect dark I have to patch ?

[mortal panther]

From the HTGDB/EverDrive pack.

[nova grotto]

are you using beat.exe for patching ?

[plush summit]

shieeeeeeet, Im literally looking for PD too lol

[mortal panther]

https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/

[nova grotto]

Thanks This should be pinned

[mortal panther]

I thought it was mentioned enough to where it didn't have to be. Besides, it's not N64-specific. It's a very common tool for patching all kinds of ROMs.

[weary palm]

Try this build of the core I just did. It should occupy the full image, no matter what resolution you set.

[nova grotto]

ty all I've finally did it , problem was wrong rom version

[mortal panther]

Awesome! Good job! 🙂

[nova grotto]

Indeed SHA-1 AF8788AC4D1A57260EAE9C53FFE851FCF2A3319B it's the correct one

[teal citrus]

I keep seeing this particular mushroom on my YouTube feed. Is it any good?

[mortal panther]

People seeing mushrooms on their YouTube feeds?
I feel like I'm missing out on something...

[weary palm]

feels like that pesky walrus boss is much harder with the "high performance" patch. I had to resort to using T.T

[woeful beacon]

underrated gif comment

[weary palm]

Glover with a dick

[nova grotto]

For the love of god someone patch mischief makers and Golden eye 007 haha

[languid dune]

I see that you are a man of culture as well.

[weary palm]

GoldenEye 007 = Perfect Dark Zero?

as it's the spiritual predecessor to Perfect Dark?

[languid dune]

Yes.

Goldeneye was the game that finally replaced Mario Kart 64 as our multiplayer game of choice back in the day.

[inner plume]

Yeah, the save type was what was keeping my saves from persisting. Once I followed the instructions at https://vampier.net/N64 for the games database and ran the update script, it now seems to detect the save type correctly for each game and I am able to save/load as normal. Thanks again everyone for the assistance!

Confirmed that a few different games worked

[chilly ember]

Got back to perfect dark again tonight. Mission 4 is one that likes to crash. I had a couple crashes before it finally cooperated and I was about to complete it on agent

Be a tough one of perfect agent, gotta go fast

[left depot]

I thought mischief makers was working?

[chilly ember]

I believe it's tlb

It boots but crashes at start menu, at least it did last time I tried

[nova grotto]

No it's not sadly

[left depot]

Ah yeah, crashing at start menu 😦

For some reason it must not have been on the tlb game list I had looked at before loading games onto the card

[clever turret]

Hi

Does anyone know what I need to do in order to convert a Majora's Mask .sav created by the MiSTer core to .fla that will work with my N64 flash cart and vice versa?

I tried just changing the file extension but the flash cart isn't seeing it

[left depot]

Just double checked, Mischief Makers is not on @orchid nimbus's website for TLB games

[chilly ember]

The spreadsheet has more tlb stuff that was discovered on it

[left depot]

I'm not really sure how to convert save files for this core, either. Is there anything pinned that I'm missing?

[chilly ember]

I took a look around for stuff that can convert saves between everdrive and mister but I didn't have much luck but I maybe wasn't looking hard enough

[orchid nimbus]

my list is not conclusive

[left depot]

Mph, I verified hash and patched PD but no joy. Tried running original rom first, then hack. Could it be the patcher I used?

Actually I've never been able to get Smash Remix running, either

[clever turret]

I'm wanting to play through MM and it's really convenient to be able to do it on my MiSTer. I just worry that there will be a game breaking bug or something.. so before I put too much time in I'd like to make sure I can move my save to real hardware 🙂

[chilly ember]

What patcher do you use?

[left depot]

Flips

[chilly ember]

Someone I think it almost finished majora's Mask and I don't recall them saying they had any issues. I finished ocarina of time without any crashes too

So probably fine

[left depot]

My first thought is that using Flips was a rookie mistake 🤣

[clever turret]

That's reassuring. Thanks

[chilly ember]

I patch with this https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php or this https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/

Don't know about flips

[fair stump]

Nice, are you able to update the testing sheet?

[chilly ember]

Oh it wasn't me who finished majora haha

I wanna say hmpowered

[latent galleon]

peak zelda

[chilly ember]

Maybe not lol, I'll find who was talking about having most masks

[fair stump]

Oh I meant ocarina

[left depot]

@chilly ember Cool, I'll give it a try

[chilly ember]

Oh yea, last time I checked the gamecube version wasn't on the list and I didn't wanna mark the N64 version completable

[fair stump]

Ohhhhh ok no problem then 👍

[chilly ember]

Someone's gonna finish the N64 version eventually so I wasn't worried

[fair stump]

I'm kinda surprised people haven't yet

[native mesa]

I'm almost done with the game, no bugs

[left depot]

Damn, I patched PD and Smash Remix again but still nothin'. PD loads pixel puke and states "Auto-detect failed" then the image starts scrolling ad nauseum but nothing boots

[brisk edge]

you probably need to add an entry to your database file

[left depot]

I loaded the unpatched (TLB) rom prior to trying it, as well

[brisk edge]

ah, yeah, that would have fixed it then. Did you check if your patched rom booted on emulator before you copied it over?

[plucky oak]

I tried SM64 after playing lots of OoT and going from 20fps to 30fps feel like going from 30 to 60

[left depot]

Actually yes and it booted fine.

Shindou Wave Race gives same "auto-detect failed" msg but boots fine

[brisk edge]

did you ftp the file over? seems like every once in a while someone accidentally copies a file over in ascii mode instead of binary mode and that'll copy it wrong

[left depot]

Derp... I just thought of something

8MB memory wasn't on

AND IT WORKS lol

TY for the support I feel dumb now. But excited it is up and running 🙂

[chilly ember]

Yay! Yeaa I kinda forget about that because I always have expansion enabled 🙃

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/kingdom-hearts-got-it-memorized-learn-axel-gif-17203171

[left depot]

https://tenor.com/view/nes-nintendo-power-80s-90s-gif-12922936

[brisk edge]

nice, glad it's working

[left depot]

Apparently the exp pack makes approx 3 games actually run better for those games where it is optional. Anybody know which ones?

[arctic oracle]

I still love playing on crts. Those ones on wall are all daisy chained together. Mister arcade nights are great

[native mesa]

Save some for the rest of us

[arctic oracle]

If you are in Australia more than welcome to come play 😀

[native mesa]

One is all I need

Though a multiformat widescreen bvm would be nice

[left depot]

I have two

Always afraid something will go bad on them haha

[arctic oracle]

Yep. Cant really get them here. That's how you end up with so many..... multiformat bvm for 480p, widescreen for ps3 and wii u, 240p screens for all older stuff

[chilly ember]

I've accept I'm not ever gonna have a pvm at this point and just gonna have to live with my JVC D Series tv's, Panasonic Gaoo and a Trinitron

People catching on to the crt craze locally, so you don't see anything much anymore. People want 50 bucks for a shit set with rf only now lol

[left depot]

D series is good to look out for isn't it? Not crazy overpriced but good quality?

[chilly ember]

Awesome quality, arcade style tube and have component inputs

I got both my 27 inch D Series for free a couple years ago

[left depot]

Wow, nice.

[chilly ember]

Never seen one again lol

[left depot]

My panasonic has component

It's "ok"

My trinitron does s-video

[chilly ember]

My Panasonic Gaoo only has s video, I love the chunky scan lines tho. Was my n64 crt for real hardware

[left depot]

I keep looking at your avatar and thinking you are an "insane fiend" lol

[arctic oracle]

Yeah the pvm tax is massive now. Loewe 60hz scart sets still pop up from time to time. They are fantastic

[left depot]

A Mister Fiend perhaps.

Psh good look with scart in the states 😦

[chilly ember]

I have a little samsung crt that has the cutout for scart and it makes me mad because it only has composite

Of course I live in Canada and scart isn't a thing here but it's just annoying to know the set was made for it :p

[left depot]

It sucks because people here either look up what they have and charge $xxxx for an RF unit OR they drop off trinitrons to the dump

[chilly ember]

It hurts to know most people just drop their grail sets at the dump

[left depot]

Ouch, composite for you

I've actually opened up the Trinitron carefully, you might be able to get scart up and running rather easily

[chilly ember]

Yeaa maybe if I knew how to rgb mod or there was any information about this set online :p

[left depot]

I saw several there when I was dropping off my couch, I'd have hauled away a D series/PVM/trinitron if there were any. That's not even knowing if they worked. There were a bunch there

[vague cedar]

I had a 31" PVM I believe was a Mitsubishi that did 480P (I had my PC hooked up via a VGA > BNC breakout cable). I ended up getting rid of it when I got a 40" 1080P Samsung around 2006

[chilly ember]

Ouuuuchhhh

[vague cedar]

Still makes me sad to this day.

[left depot]

Oof.

[chilly ember]

I had a durabrand set with composite I played into xbox 360 days. Power button broke and I used a sharpie to turn it on

Not upset about not having that set anymore 🙃😜

[arctic oracle]

A shame 😦 Australia were quite lucky in that regard. High end brands with RGB scart had a decent run. Loewe, B&O, Grundig all had sets that still show up on marketplace from time to time

[chilly ember]

I was like 12 with no money so I dealt with what I had

[vague cedar]

Have a 31" curved low hour JVC now (non-D series) with component that looks really nice. Bought it from a guy's personal collection that runs a "Save the CRT" facebook page. I regularly see him post very decent curved 27" with component around $25. Think he just wants to find them good homes and not end up in a dumpster. Would check on Facebook, I know there's multiple "Save the CRT" groups around, might help you find something

Granted this is in the US

Aren't GAOO pretty nice sets?

[gray surge]

Just out of curiosity, did anyone else feel like Banjo Kazooie just didn’t do much for them back in the day? I feel like everyone universally praises it, but for some reason it just never interested me. Even after playing it a fair amount.

[zinc dew]

it’s ok, our faults is what makes us interesting and yours is not liking Banjo Kazooie

Mine is Quest 64

[uncut gyro]

I think with many games, it’s how old you were and what your basis for comparison was

[gray surge]

I can’t be mad. You made me laugh XD

[weary palm]

What are Mitsubushi's line of professional CRT monitors called?

[uncut gyro]

There are games I remember fondly, but we were poor and our supply was quite limited. Naturally, we loved what we had

[zinc dew]

lol I’m kidding, yeah it’s cool you didn’t like it

[gray surge]

I think it’s just because of how much I played Mario 64 and how burned out I was on the formula of “collect mcguffins”.

[zinc dew]

Yeah can definitely see that

[weary palm]

It's a good platformer

[zinc dew]

That didn’t hit me until DK64

[vague cedar]

Mitsubishi Megaview

[zinc dew]

@quaint rune your reaction game is on point 🤣

[uncut gyro]

Yea, there are certain mechanics that are purely novelty based. Once it’s not new, the luster is gone

[weary palm]

Banjo Kazooie is quite the collectathon too. Collecting music notes is pretty annoying.

[chilly ember]

The most annoying part about the notes is that it resets after leaving the level

[weary palm]

yes!

or dying.

[quaint rune]

Dying in rusty bucket bay after getting close to 100 😔

[weary palm]

it happens

In DK64 you only need 75 colored bananas...

Times five. xD

[chilly ember]

Did you play conkers bad fur day?

[gray surge]

I did. For that one the pure novelty was the fact that it was M-rated.

[chilly ember]

Conker's bad fur is my favourite rareware platformer, it's not such a collectathon

[gray surge]

I was a dumb 17 something when it came out.

[chilly ember]

I played it because it had a squirrel and I was 7 years old, loved it

[languid dune]

DK 64 definitely took the collecting too far in my opinion. Yes you can finish the game without collecting everything, but the sheer volume of stuff to collect across all the characters feels overwhelming.

[gray surge]

And yeah it was definitely less of a collect-a-thon.

[brisk edge]

I liked conker as a kid, didn't beat it though. By the time I beat it as an adult, I found the game pretty frustrating at times. Especially the later chapters.

[chilly ember]

Conkers bad fur day is probably one of my favourite games of all time and I finished it so many times as a kid. Still love it but that might be lots of nostalgia and knowing the frustrating parts like the back of my hand so it doesn't bother me

[zinc dew]

Completely agreed and the repetition is what killed it for me. Literally collecting the same shit across 5 different characters. I wish they split the collectibles across different characters so it at least felt like each one was doing its own thing.

[brisk edge]

see I have that for banjo lol I can hand wave all of the flaws at this point, they've smoothed over for me

though I will maintain that rusty bucket bay does suck still for getting all 100 notes, as does click clock wood

I usually just get all the notes first, and then do the jiggies after

[languid dune]

The original Banjo-Kazooie is definitely my personal favorite of the Rare 3D collec-a-thon games. It struck the perfect balance of not being too much and nicely sized levels. Tooie's levels are too big, and DK64 I already mentioned my issues with. Conker is also really fun, but yeah it has its own issues.

[tepid gorge]

Some of the worlds still just aren’t that fun to go through, but the Randomizer hack with the “Vanilla game but better” preset really improves it

[zinc dew]

I love Mario 64 but wow did Banjo feel like a generational leap forward. And only a year later!

[tepid gorge]

It lets you switch Kongs with the d-pad and makes the totals more in depth, among some other things

[brisk edge]

I agree with that. BT and DK64 just never clicked as much with me

I 100%'d BT on the xbox version at the start of the pandemic, and it made me never want to play the game again lol

[chilly ember]

Banjo doesn't have backwards long jump glitch physics to the finish so I still love super mario 64 more

First time and only time I 100% banjo was the Xbox 360 version

Banjo tooie tho. Never finished it, got close. It's such a slog

[brisk edge]

if you go for all the cheat pages in tooie it's even worse

[languid dune]

The Xbox versions are nice because they save the notes you've collected even when you exit a stage or die.

[brisk edge]

god those races with the bird lady suck

[tepid gorge]

The 360 version is excellent, I wish some company would do that but for DK64 and put it on Switch

It’s not insane since they just did it for Goldeneye

[chilly ember]

I wish they made a Goldeneye for xbox 360 😦

Oh wait :p

[brisk edge]

they made 2 even

[chilly ember]

Hahahaha I know

Just joking

[brisk edge]

lol

[zinc dew]

Did Banjo Tooie come out for Xbox?

[chilly ember]

I was right up on that xbla Goldeneye hours after it dropped

[languid dune]

Yep

[chilly ember]

Yea tooie was on xbox

[tepid gorge]

Yes, both games have Xbox versions

[brisk edge]

came out for 360 not too long after banjo 1 did

[languid dune]

Rare Replay has so much content.

[tepid gorge]

Playable on One/Series too

[zinc dew]

Damn I forgot

Thank you

[chilly ember]

Rare replay is the definitive way to play conkers bad fur day but idgaf

[brisk edge]

it also technically has hints for the jiggies on the pause menu

[chilly ember]

I want it on mister

[brisk edge]

which I didn't notice until I was about 80% through the game

[quaint rune]

WHAT

[brisk edge]

just the 360 version of tooie

[quaint rune]

Oh nvm z z Z

[zinc dew]

I asked the dev team why they chose to port over the N64 game instead of the Xbox version which would’ve been easier to do. They told me it’s because they felt the original game was better.

[brisk edge]

@quaint rune you probably already figured it out but, you should get the notes in the engine room before anything else in RBB, save yourself the heartbreak

[chilly ember]

It is better

[zinc dew]

Yup they’re right.

[chilly ember]

Conker uses one smg in the matrix scene on Xbox. Two on N64

200% better

[languid dune]

Agreed. The N64 Conker is better than the Xbox remake.

[zinc dew]

haha

I do like the Xbox remake though, I just assumed that’s what it was going to be so I was really happy to hear otherwise

[brisk edge]

I got the xbox version when I initially got my xbox, along with halo 2. Comparing the n64 and xbox versions, the xbox version of conker is really bizarre

like with those weird doll things you find everywhere

no idea what that was about

[quaint rune]

Yeah I learned the hard way and just ended up going there first after a few deaths. Isn’t the the only world where you can fall to death in a bottomless pit?

[chilly ember]

It's ok but like the weird van helsing costume change in xbox version for the zombie part. The vanilla model makes more sense story wise

[brisk edge]

yes, although Click Clock Wood has a lot of verticality too so you can die from falling there unless you do the glitch that prevents that

[gray surge]

I things it’s because Super Mario 64 was the only N64 game I had for like a year or so. So I played it so many times. So when I rented Banjo Kazooie, I guess I was just tired of collecting. The next big game I got for N64 was Star Fox 64 and I played the hell out of that too since it was the only game I had for a long time too.

[quaint rune]

Yeah that stage was bonkers for that reason too. And I remember looking forever for the missing jingo, yellow one I’ll never forget standing in the dandelions. Almost like camouflage. Saving pvt jingo and wanting to kill him for making me look so long.

[languid dune]

Click Clock Wood is one of my favorite levels ever in a video game. It's so much fun.

[brisk edge]

it's a neat idea, but it is pretty easy to die if you're trying to 100% it in one go

the notes getting saved in that level especially would really help

[chilly ember]

Rare and it's punishing deaths no checkpoint systems back in those days

[quaint rune]

The hardest jiggy for me is the turtle choir one. Like not writing anything down or recording and having to memorize all of them is hard sometimes.

[weary palm]

Fungi Forrest is my favorite

[chilly ember]

Perfect dark is crazy with its put a turret right at the end of the level that isn't there in easier modes just to fuck your shit up and waste your time lol

[mossy needle]

The music is Fungi Forest is pretty iconic

[mossy needle]

They should use that mini game in ADHD trials

[brisk edge]

fuck it, I cheat 100% when playing it now lol just grab a paper and pen

[quaint rune]

It sort of reminds me of the banana bird crystals in dkc3. I’ll start off really good but near the end of the game I need to cheat.

[chilly ember]

I took pictures of the ocarina song notes with my phone for temple teleports instead of trying to memorize lol

[gray surge]

What is everyone’s favorite N64 game btw?

[rose elbow]

Ocarina..

[chilly ember]

Conkers bad fur day

[gray surge]

Mine is Mischief Makers.

[rose elbow]

playing around in PD. this is one i never got too into as a kid, renting it. i was always a bit snobbish about it and felt it was a step down after Goldeneye. (Goldeneye opens with Dam level, PD opens in a talking Hub world with nothing to do???). but poking around it now and playing it a bit more and ... this is a pretty fun Goldeneye Sequel hey :D

(still need convincing goldeneye isnt the better game tho)

[chilly ember]

Conker's bad fur day shouldn't exist as a firstish party title and I wish we lived in a world that conker got sequels

[weary palm]

I asked the developer of that PD hack if it was PAL compatible

[chilly ember]

Rekt

[rose elbow]

i had old n64 magazines with promos for that original Conker platformer. was always bummed that never came out ahahaha

[weary palm]

So now we know

[brisk edge]

Banjo Kazooie, Mario 64 are probably my favorite N64 games. It is definitely part childhood nostalgia and part I've just played them a million times

[chilly ember]

That's cool you got a response tho, with how long it has been since there's been an update

[brisk edge]

also fond of Pokemon Snap but, after you play it through a few times, there really isn't a whole lot left there. But I really liked the idea as a kid, sucks it took them so long to do anything else with that idea 🙃

[gray surge]

You can always just play the GBC one and get an idea of what it was like.

[chilly ember]

Yea I had those too and I had conkers pocket tales on gameboy so I was surprised when I played conkers bad fur day as a kid thinking it was twelve tails

[gray surge]

Tone wise anyways.

[rose elbow]

speaking of favourite games, i was surprised at the nostalgia kick i got from Diddy Kong Racing aha

i knew i liked it but god damn

it's just .. so happy 😭

[chilly ember]

I wish I could get into Diddy Kong racing but I never really played it and mario kart 64 is too much of a classic to me

[weary palm]

Give me

[rose elbow]

source?

[gray surge]

I was stupid. After I played Conkers Bad Fur Day, I traded my N64 to a friend for a Dreamcast VMU. (Waits to get banned for real)

[brisk edge]

I used to be a hater for DKR, I had it and MK64 as a kid. After revisiting them, DKR is a much better game. Just a hell of a lot more challenging

[gray surge]

Diddy Kong Racing was great.

I had never played a racing game with a story before.

[brisk edge]

believe that was from one of the stamper brothers from Rare

[rose elbow]

prototype N64 without C-Left.. interesting 🤔

[brisk edge]

they also showed off Dream and 12 tails builds

[rose elbow]

oh yeah i remmber those!

that's some heavy teasing ..

sweats

[brisk edge]

and mechanical complexity

[rose elbow]

"dont mind me just casually playing through something thats been sought after by millions of people around the world for over 25 years"

[gray surge]

I was always surprised by “Beetle Adventure Racing” too. That was a competent racing game too.

[weary palm]

Can someone convince Tim Stamper to dump his carts?

[chilly ember]

I suggested someone just to convince them to borrow it for an hour

[rose elbow]

oh yep!!! i got that one cheap as an "ex-rental".. when blockbuster sell off their stock for like $5 or so. over in australia that game was HSV Adventure Racing with Holden instead of Beetle due to licensing, but i still loved it

[quaint rune]

Did you knooooow that Gobi the camel from Gobi’s valley in Banjo Kazooie. His gibberish speak is an actual camel sound. They make deep huffy sounds like that but you know what else does !? The imps from doom use the same exact sound as one of their dying sounds.

[weary palm]

haha now that's some trivia

[rose elbow]

nintendo need to just put these roms out or greenlight people leaking them or something. it's been 30 years man

[brisk edge]

I kind of doubt tim is ever gonna share the roms but, I would hope he gets them dumped and preserved somewhere, maybe through like the VGHF or something

if he hasn't already

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/9bgFpss0YFE?t=476

[rose elbow]

yeaaah. i can understand the hesitation from a legal perspective

but also, 😭

[chilly ember]

I hope he gets old and develops a idgaf attitude and dumps them on the world

[brisk edge]

I guess if we can finally get a build of dinosaur planet, anything is possible

[rose elbow]

just leak it and say "woops mustve been part of that gigaleak or something iunno"

[mortal panther]

Looks almost exactly like my old WEGA XBR widescreen (which was a KV-34XBR910). Nice.

[brisk edge]

I was so hoping the gigaleak was gonna give us mother 3 n64, but alas, no

[chilly ember]

What did the gigaleak give us?

Snes tech demos?

[brisk edge]

the lotcheck for gameboy

so more than a handful of completed and unreleased games

[chilly ember]

Yea but that's gameboy

[brisk edge]

Pokemon Picross and Tomato Adventure's Completed GBC version were highlights for me

[rose elbow]

a lot came from the gigaleak, i'd actually like a comprehensive list or something cos everything ive seen is normally people posting little snippets on twitter or youtube

[brisk edge]

some n64 source code and beta assets as well, if you recall all the luigi stuff

[chilly ember]

I've seen lots but like was there a solid thing like a dinosaur planet leak?

[brisk edge]

the gist is that it was bits and pieces that iQue had access to while working on their versions of the consoles

[rose elbow]

the zelda beta stuff was pretty big for me, there was a lot of stuff in there that'd been dying to see since i was a wee kid reading old n64 magazine

and seeing some of those art assets more clearly

[weary palm]

the gb lot checks contained some unreleased games if i remember correctly

[chilly ember]

Seems like mostly beta elements and whatnot to me but it's felt like a long time since the leak

[brisk edge]

through finding references to the lot checks, there are definitely unreleased N64 games that were done and submitted as well. But that unfortunately was not part of the leak, I really hope someone gets a hold of that some time though

[chilly ember]

Sad

[brisk edge]

those lotcheck games especially, nintendo should do something with the ones that they have the rights to

[chilly ember]

I hope they release starfox 2 on snes

Lol

Jokes again

[weary palm]

gigaleak gave us these

so pretty

[brisk edge]

they could definitely release Panel de Pon 64

[chilly ember]

That gets my deku nuts going

[brisk edge]

I get kinda mixed up on the ocarina stuff because I know a lot also came from that prototype dump where there jsut happened to be like half of the left over data from an early build of it

[rose elbow]

ohh was the prototype stuff not gigaleak?

[weary palm]

my left nut

[brisk edge]

it was a seperate thing later

[zenith orchid]

I want that so bad

[rose elbow]

woops all gigaleak! 😂

[brisk edge]

me too...especially since the only person with a known proto of panel de pon 64 refuses to release it, or at least has gone silent about it because everyone bugged them to release it

[orchid nimbus]

I took a gigaleak too the other day

[chilly ember]

I'm about to do a gigaleak now

[weary palm]

did it smell like aspargus?

[orchid nimbus]

it was massive

[zenith orchid]

he promised to do it right? yeah of course people are going to be upset

[brisk edge]

I've tried to look into it, people that do preservation stuff reached out, and he had interest, but they seemed to have just ghosted everyone on the subject, but I think they're still bombared by requests.

so it's probably a lost cause for now

reminds me, someone needs to leak the RE0 beta as well lol please. if we can get 1.5 we can get that beta too

[zenith orchid]

If only it can be reverse engineered from the gamecube compilation

[weary palm]

I actully didn't knew he had these two as well until today.

Such a tease

[chilly ember]

Mario 96

[weary palm]

Hi Robert. Guten Morgen.

[wanton sun]

yes i have seen things like that also in smash bros. I don't look at them currently, for two reasons: the divot feature is not in. This was implemented by SGI only to fix AA artifacts. So possible it fixes it already. Also the RDP still had several bugs. Bugs in the RDP, especially at polygon borders, will lead to the coverage information being wrong, leading to AA behaving different.

[weary palm]

Frühaufsteher

[gray surge]

Wasn’t that Pokémon Puzzle League essentially?

[wanton sun]

it's simple math: if i start working at 6 am, i can stop working at 3 pm, leaving more time to fun work until 7 pm 🙂

[weary palm]

Just don't burn yourself out

[gray surge]

I had fun at work today. During lunch I added the Konami Code to a troubleshooting web app to access a stupid easter egg. The best part was my lead loved it and told me to leave it in XD.

[chilly ember]

6(am)3(pm)

[wanton sun]

(but the real truth is, the kids need to get up at 5:30 because of school)

[weary palm]

brutal

I never had to get up that early to go to school

[chilly ember]

Nintendo 53

[brisk edge]

same gameplay but, panel de pon 64 would have been a later release. If you look at the Japan only gamecube "Nintendo Puzzle Collection" the Panel De Pon game in there is what the 64 version would have been

[wanton sun]

yes, having fun at work really is the best. Unfortunatly it got worse for me when we lost half of the team and still have to do the same work. A lot of creative work is lost now for constant fire fighting

[gray surge]

God I feel that. We had a lay off recently and I got stuck with a ton of O&M work and putting out fires. I finally got to do some modernization work this week, so it’s slowly getting better.

[chilly ember]

Are you the one creating fires with your impressive work that requires them to volunteer as firefighters?

[hearty oar]

similar stories at my work, also a cool "strongly encouraged to return to office" mandate that came down recently that is no doubt going to have the effect of shrinking the team even more

[vapid hawk]

Some interesting garbled font rendering in vigilante8

[rose elbow]

isnt that just Hylian ?

[vapid hawk]

lol

[chilly ember]

Translation filter hasn't been implemented

[weary palm]

or qbertian

[wanton sun]

even the sky isn't correct. Some kind of texture loading probably

[vapid hawk]

i did double check i hadn't just booted like the crylic rom or something 😄

oh yeah i never noticed the sky lol, that too

[chilly ember]

Windows 64

[gray surge]

Ours just changed our PTO setup. Everyone is losing accumulated PTO at years end and starting at 0 in January. Ruined my vacation plans I already paid for.

[cerulean elk]

I missed it too and I looked right at it lol

[cerulean elk]

Well isn’t that just an F you

[hearty oar]

ouch, mercifully I don't think that's legal in my country

[cerulean elk]

Sorry to hear

[gray surge]

I probably deserve it for not liking Banjo Kazooie. Lol

[cerulean elk]

I work for myself so it’s unlimited PTO. Except nobody pays you for it lol

[gray surge]

That’s the dream for me one day.

[cerulean elk]

It’s fun and it’s not. You kind of learn there is no perfect version of work 🤷🏻‍♂️ and my boss is an ass 😂 always demanding more and more. Only wants perfection. Never satisfied lol

[gray surge]

I’m scared to do anything without a team. Like if my product breaks, it’s nice to have others to share the load.

[cerulean elk]

I get that. I’ve always been more of the “if I want it done how I like it done…I’ll do it” personality. So I’ve always enjoyed just taking the burden of being in charge. Works 50% of the time…every time!

[weary palm]

https://tenor.com/view/help-lips-mouth-lotr-samwise-gamgee-gif-16209896

[cerulean elk]

Well that not creepy at all haha

[weary palm]

haha

no

[cerulean elk]

Ok well I’m done for the day. Got a full day of editing and shooting planned for tomorrow. See if I can get it all done

[chilly ember]

insert joke about taking loads here

[weary palm]

there's a second part to that gif, but it's not family friendly imo

[gray surge]

That’s still 50%. Quite a formidable scent.

[gray surge]

Oh neat! Is that what you do?

[weary palm]

https://tenor.com/view/puke-frodo-lord-of-the-rings-gif-10053490

sharing

[cerulean elk]

Yeah I’ve been working in film for two decades now. Makes me feel old

[gray surge]

Nice! I do that as a side gig. Always wanting to learn more. I write software.

[gray surge]

https://youtu.be/4nVDp8kR-8s?si=nVkdzoSOIOHrAZQn

This is my proudest video achievement XD. (It’s a bait and switch)

Anyways, have a good night. Sorry to hold you up.

[cerulean elk]

I’m heading for the night but DM me this link. I do want to watch it! And I’ll forget if it’s here

[orchid nimbus]

@gray surge damn you're old 😄

I mean starring in your own black and white movie

[gray surge]

XD.

I feel old.

I hate Jimmy John’s btw lol. Worst sandwich shop ever.

[dusty tusk]

One issue I saw was the DK 64 rap had some noticeable polygon artifacting on the floor.not sure if that's on original hardware too.

Reminds me of anisotropic banding on PC

[eternal ravine]

@chilly ember
SEGBA 64

[dusty tusk]

Also I might be wrong, but does the ique version of Mario kart 64 support more ghost files?

[orchid nimbus]

hey I'm going to be 47 in a few days 😉

[gray surge]

41 here

[chilly ember]

Not even 30

Soon™️

[quaint rune]

You’re old enough to be my father 🫵😮

[foggy stirrup]

49 soon big 50 :S

[chilly ember]

Everyone here is old 😜

[versed cairn]

Yeah, 33 and im feeling young here lol

[foggy stirrup]

or young 😛

[eternal ravine]

35 is the last good year

[weary palm]

there are good years?

[quaint rune]

Well to everyone’s credit. Everyone seems young. So if nobody said their age, I would be under the impression everyone is in their late 20s or early to mid 30s

[orchid nimbus]

be glad that these old farts are here to guide you young ones----- we lived throught generation 1 up till generation now

[orchid nimbus]

I'm a f-ing MSX expert... that dates me to atleast 1983

[chilly ember]

Thank you guys, I appreciate that allowed us to get such classics as superman 64 and Bubsy 3d

[versed cairn]

You had a English msx or are you Japanese?

[orchid nimbus]

Dutch MSX - Philips NMS8220 and later an NMS8255 and currently I have a Panasonic FA-A1FX

I'm also part of the openMSX team

and made the MiSter VHD 😛

[weary palm]

I'm 39 and I got my first kid this year

[versed cairn]

Oh cool, everyone talks about it like it was a Japan only computer

[orchid nimbus]

I do a whole lot more - but that's about it

I'm more like the support guy like making support scripts / documenting / testing

that's what I like to do

same as what I do here lol

[chilly ember]

Do you play video games?

[orchid nimbus]

sure I do

[weary palm]

How much RAM does an MSX have

[orchid nimbus]

16/64/128 and later 256/512

[chilly ember]

Have you finished a game in N64 core yet? If not. What game do you intend to?

[orchid nimbus]

OOT

[chilly ember]

I had a feeling

[orchid nimbus]

I never really finished that one

[chilly ember]

It's a good one

[orchid nimbus]

ultraHLE crashed on me

[versed cairn]

I’m doing master quest for the first time on the core. At the water temple now

[chilly ember]

I think the water temple is actually better on master quest so that won't be as bad

[versed cairn]

It’s not as hard as I thought it would be but I have gotten puzzle stumped a few times

[weary palm]

I'm trying to finish this one

[orchid nimbus]

heh

heading to bed - else this old man is going to be even grumpier at work

laterz

[chilly ember]

You'll get there, I believe in you

[versed cairn]

I did notice you can get to the top water riser super easy in this version

It’s nice

[quaint rune]

I wouldn’t be surprised if someone made a flappy bird for 64

[chilly ember]

It happened

Long ago

[weary palm]

Master Quest's water temple got nerfed

[orchid nimbus]

flappy bird runs on my microwave

[chilly ember]

https://github.com/meeq/FlappyBird-N64

[weary palm]

that's the one I'm playing

[versed cairn]

The n64 only logo is a lie

False advertising

[weary palm]

cursed

[quaint rune]

That looks so awesome. N64 Cube

[versed cairn]

Is that ai generated?

[chilly ember]

Yes lol

From yours truly

[versed cairn]

Ai art is so funky looking lol

[chilly ember]

Super famicom had a crt with one built in

Why not n64

[weary palm]

reminds me of this thing

[chilly ember]

That and super fami tv were the inspiration to my ai generated prompt

[versed cairn]

There’s a Dreamcast one too

[chilly ember]

If the N64 model existed, I'd want one

[versed cairn]

https://external-preview.redd.it/yYTALlryyB97INlR6mCdCE0MLaLPQjn7a6bG0dvGHdI.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3e95b18d5661e09e9a3a805eb9440aedbe9bbbfb

[versed cairn]

I love this y2k design

[weary palm]

AI image creation is like magic to me. I have no idea how it works. Almost no idea.

[chilly ember]

Supposed to be slippy

[weary palm]

Slippy licked another frog, it seems

[versed cairn]

I tried to use a ai art generater to come up with design ideas for work but it could never make anything new. Just mixed things we already made. So it’s not taking my artist job yet. Not in design atleast

[dusty tusk]

That looks a bit suggestive

[chilly ember]

Starfox 64

[weary palm]

nah

I like that the controller got feet

[dusty tusk]

I think ai will be useful for prototyping, but it's a bit too random for more defined work

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/SQEhBai711o?si=LlrczgBJFLgjKrGH

[versed cairn]

It can make something that looks like things that already exist. So maybe as a filter or something. Corridor crew did that and it blew up

[eternal ravine]

Slip Doggy Dogg

[compact depot]

What’s Robert working on next? TLB?

[versed cairn]

He hasn’t said but I think he wants to fix up a bunch of stuff before TLB

[zenith orchid]

He's not done with VI or RDP yet

[eternal ravine]

I vote for PC-98 and VB

Wait, PC-FX

The one with pr0n

wait

[versed cairn]

He said adding TLB will make debugging other stuff a lot harder

[zenith orchid]

3DO?

[quasi storm]

Was playing Perfect Dark. I was sitting on a game over screen, looking at my phone, when this popped up...

[versed cairn]

The fps counter? Press L

It’s part of the patch

[eternal ravine]

That's gonna be so cool when TLB is chonked in
And some glorious games begin working

[chilly ember]

There's that zx spectrum in Goldeneye, that sounds like endgame to me https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/911/

[versed cairn]

I’m planning a Conker playthrough when TLB comes

Excited

[eternal ravine]

Robert could probably implement 3DO whilst waiting for toast to finish

[chilly ember]

Me first

[versed cairn]

Love that game. So much variety in the gameplay

[quasi storm]

Must have bumped the button. It's neat to look at!

[chilly ember]

That fps counter on perfect dark, I had a crash but it still worked on mister

It was odd

Soft lock

[versed cairn]

I played the first level on real hardware with the patch to compare performance. Core is like 8 fps higher most of the time

[eternal ravine]

Is Buck Bumble any good

[chilly ember]

That's awesome

[vapid hawk]

buck bumble isn't really much fun to play no

[versed cairn]

The 60% faster memory speed of the core really makes a difference in this game

[vapid hawk]

awesome music though

[chilly ember]

I think it has control issues, I don't remember it controlling this shitty on real hardware but I haven't tested on real hardware yet to confirm

[eternal ravine]

Wow, so the core may have a Turbo setting in the future

[quasi storm]

And yet, games like Body Harvest run Like a dog. So weird.

[vapid hawk]

faster in some ways slower in others, pretty much what robert said earlier

just depends what the games workload is like

[eternal ravine]

FPS people will complain tho if the FPS is not faithful

[versed cairn]

Yeah, Robert said there’s some task management that isn’t in the core yet. Makes the cpu stall a lot

So it depends on the game

[chilly ember]

I posted a perfect dark mission one video here with performance stuff enabled if anyone wants to see

[versed cairn]

We will get to a point like the psx core where he ties down the lines and makes more performance optional

[vapid hawk]

yeah it needs to be feature complete first really

[versed cairn]

Excited for that. More performance in the 60fps Mario would be awesome

[vapid hawk]

even mario at a solid 30fps would be pretty awesome

[versed cairn]

But stability and faithfulness comes first

Yeah, the extra performance will get put to good use on n64. More then psx I’d argue

[eternal ravine]

What is the lowest FPS game
Is it something using the expansion pack

[versed cairn]

Lots of n64 games struggle to hit their fps targets

[vapid hawk]

that motorbike game robert posted the other day runs under 10fps pretty often iirc

n64 games that hit a solid framerate are very rare

[versed cairn]

Very true

[vapid hawk]

even the PD performance patched you can get the fps below 10

[chilly ember]

True

[versed cairn]

Very true

[eternal ravine]

Well, in any case I salute the core and developer

(3DO nxt?)

[night saddle]

De-dithered and anti aliased intro to Ocarina of Time was so awesome to watch tonight. Must have sat through 20 loops of it with that calming music 😍

[versed cairn]

It looks so perfect now

[eternal ravine]

I need to check out MM again, as the last time I looked it was very murky and kind of trippy

Also have not played OoT in any depth

[versed cairn]

I hear it’s pretty good

[night saddle]

It's amazing. Just played through the first 2 hours of the game a few days ago and the changes in 48 hours are just nuts

Never played through mm, looking forward to it though

[vapid hawk]

yeah now most of the VI is in everything suddenly looks super authentic

[versed cairn]

This journey though the n64s video pipeline has really made me appreciate the blur. Knowing what it’s doing makes it all make sense now

[eternal ravine]

The AA fixes a ton of weird edges

[vapid hawk]

yeah banjo-kazooie looks much cleaner now

a lot of stray rando pixels seem to of disappeared

[daring meteor]

Does Yoshi use a 32 bit framebuffer?

[wanton sun]

yes, it hides some of the 2-pass rendering bugs on polygon edges 😅 i should still fix them

[pliant valve]

Aren't there two separate types of blur that people usualky are referring to?

[night saddle]

Heading to sleep now. Hoping to dream of those de-dithered skies and the lovely color cycling
G'night everyone, or day depending on where ya at 👋

[vapid hawk]

heh, i noticed the ants in BK still have quite a lot of weird pixels on them

though it seems to depend how far away they are and at what angle

[wanton sun]

more legs = more edges = more stray pixels 🙂

[vapid hawk]

yeah i figured it was something to do with how small the geometry is or something

[wanton sun]

i don't understand it fully yet, but it seems to happen in 2 pass rendering on left polygon edges only

[vapid hawk]

sometimes the leg is less than 1px on screen so you're getting artifacts bigger than the leg

[eternal ravine]

I've always loved being able to strip away the various effects and layers via emulation

All the way back to I think NeoRage on PC

[versed cairn]

I can barely see the 2 pass errors now. The alpha edge errors are still easy to spot though

Whenever you play a song you can see it on the song effect

[wanton sun]

wouldn't be surprised if that was the same root cause

[eternal ravine]

Imagine when AI is able to develop homebrew games for retro consoles

[versed cairn]

Makes sense

[wanton sun]

i'm still searching for a good situation i can reproduce it with a savestate from the emulator

like: even if you take the savestate blind(because the emulator doesn't have the bug) it's sure to have it

[vapid hawk]

still overall BK feels great to play on the core right now, i've been making my way through it casually having a blast

[versed cairn]

What kind of situation are you looking for Robert? Like you enter a room and the error loads?

[wanton sun]

best would be on a static title screen or so

or loading into a room, nothing moves and it's there

[vapid hawk]

any chance its related to the weird strip of pixels on the left edge of resident evil ?

they seem wrapped around from the right edge of the screen

[wanton sun]

probably not

[versed cairn]

The oot title screen has the edge error but it’s not on screen right away. When you go over the hill to the forest entrance the trees show the coloured pixels thought the hill

[vapid hawk]

couldn't you just make a savestate in BK in first person while you're looking at an ant ?

[versed cairn]

Right, the ant legs have it too

[vapid hawk]

(c-up for first person view)

[wanton sun]

yes that could work

[vapid hawk]

there's one right near the start of the game, before you enter the first level

[eternal ravine]

I love that first-person view in BK
Is there a way to play the game like that

[dusty tusk]

The ants are also the first thing that shows up on the demo

[wanton sun]

bk in general isn't that nice to debug, because it draws so much, you plow through a lot of other things

[vapid hawk]

fpov might let you contrain that though ? you can probably get a screen full of almost nothing but ant

[dusty tusk]

Would the ants hill room help?

[wanton sun]

currently my best case is still the pilotwings intro when the island is very small

it's not there in every frame, but very often and the screen is very empty

[dusty tusk]

Also, the Doraemon games are weird

[vapid hawk]

is this the same bug in the tunnel there ?

the sort of pentagon of white pixels

this is right at the start of OOT basically

[dusty tusk]

Wonder if it's floating point rounding errors

[wanton sun]

could be the same, yes

[vapid hawk]

it only appears when you're far enough away from it and at certain angles

[rich delta]

Im not sure if we're talking about the same thing but I think I see stray pixels in the star field of Starfox 64 in the opening sequence - pretty much the first thing you see and almost nothing else on screen. I @ you last night with the repro - looks specifically to do with vi antialiasing. Not sure if thats what youre talking about here though.

[wanton sun]

maybe, maybe not. With all AA stuff, i would wait at least until divot is done

[rich delta]

All I would say is that I wouldnt expect the AA to behave in that way BUT I am looking at it on a CRT so not sure what the underlying pixels are doing - might be obviously correct behaviour looking at it on an LCD.

[mossy needle]

I'm sure this was addressed, but has anyone else run into the problem in Banjo where the screen seems skinnier than before?

Or was the picture shifted?

[vapid hawk]

yeah thats a little bug with the cropping or something - been reported before

[weary palm]

anybody know's how to clean up a pull request by squashing? i'm not that good at git.

[safe robin]

cant make a screenshot now but in Mario Party 2 when you get to the Screen where you choose CPUs and their Strength. I could swear that on that part the symbols now are surrounded by a blue pixel line and i think it wasnt like that a few builds ago.

[weary beacon]

There are some stray color pixels on the road of Destruction Derby, but mostly visible when driving.

[dusty tusk]

The DK 64 character barrels transition has some noticeable image stretching

[maiden wyvern]

wow. i'm so used to playing n64 on emulators, i never realised how responsive it could feel

[dusty tusk]

Right?

[rose elbow]

its either n64 on emulators, or original hardware with used worn out joysticks that add a physical latency to everything 😂

[knotty zealot]

for the three games worthy of being played

banjo kazooie, banjo tooie and the yoshi game

[oblique remnant]

No Goldeneye?!

[rose crypt]

Sin and Punishment and F-Zero X

[weary palm]

Bassmasters 2000

[daring meteor]

Gex

[weary palm]

Micro Machines

[rose elbow]

😵‍💫 trippy

ah the patched Perfect Dark crashed on level 2 for me 😭

[weary palm]

Mickey's Speedway USA is so pretty for being a N64 game

[forest forge]

Look great loved core

[crisp monolith]

Can't work out why Mario 64 won't save for me. I got the MD5 for the patched version and added it to the database file like this

8e07d05a597ed07cc2ae5491b0848d88 ntsc|cic6102|eeprom4 # Super Mario 64 (USA) (LodgeNet) (patched)

But on boot the system settings are all default

[versed cairn]

Newest unstable mister?

[hearty oar]

With the latest unstable main + database you shouldn’t need to muck about with hashes anymore

[weary palm]

does lodgenet even have save

[vapid hawk]

pretty sure it doesn't

it was for hotels wasnt it

[weary palm]

yes

will try if it saves for me

[hearty oar]

Ohh, that’s what lodgenet is

Wow the controllers for that thing are whack

[weary palm]

sure is

[hearty oar]

The stick is different

I wonder if it’s actually any good

[weary palm]

there are two versions

[hearty oar]

Yeah just watching the video that shot is from right now lol

[weary palm]

Good enough that people bought these before there were any analogue stick replacements

[mild ether]

Did Nintendo manufacture these for them?

[hearty oar]

No place for a pak to go which is a shame too

[weary palm]

I managed to save on SM64 Lodgenet so it must be something wrong with your configuration

I think Hori made them

[teal sail]

I think the same bug (wireframe lines) is seen on shadows in Bio F.R.E.A.K.S. Easy to reproduce I think. Just select a character and load any arena.

[mild ether]

There was some images of the ram carts on Reddit and those were actually made by Nintendo for lodgenet. I was surprised they did that.

[weary palm]

there are SNES and GC Lodgenet also

Very awkward SNES controller

ew

[daring meteor]

That's not an SNES controller that's the built in controller on Boeing 777 Aircraft

[hearty oar]

Some psycho chopping up both that and a regular pad to get it working with a normal n64: https://youtu.be/vH1tthMz_YI?si=pcNxoRXt1mD9SMAm

[mild ether]

Very interesting setup. During the 00s I tried looking at auction catalogs for liquidation of hotels for this stuff and never saw it up for sale. They had a tight grip on the equipment.

Except the controllera

I wonder if the GameCube lodgenet was a NPDP unit running it

[weary palm]

what?

[pliant pollen]

i did that mod

love the lodgenet controller

best n64 controller by far I had for a long time

but I did it before all the modern replacement things existed

[daring meteor]

I was close, its a 747 option. Very curious why all of them look so similar

[pliant pollen]

the stick is so nice

I did it back when you could buy lodgenet v2 controllers for $15 on eBay though

[weary palm]

now they're like 5-6 times that

[pliant pollen]

it's like the only n64 controller I've used for years

I did kitsch bent stick replacements that feel like perfect too

but I got tired of having to do that

lodgenet been perfect for me

[weary palm]

they can't be that rare... It was in over half a million hotel rooms.

[pliant pollen]

the controllers used to be really common

on eBay and stuff

that's why people did the mod

idk what happened but everything rising in price in the last few years

[hearty oar]

Everything is rising in price these last few years

[weary palm]

DE-10 Nanos' are like twice the price now

I bought mine in 2019 for less than $150

[vapid hawk]

still a bargain at twice the price tbh

[weary palm]

GoldenEye 007 sure looks fine on MiSTer

[vapid hawk]

i like to think there's a guy at terrasic adjusting the price based on the cores available 😄

[knotty zealot]

did you shop that yourself?

[mortal panther]

He actually made that face when he found out he was being replaced as Bond.

[fallen sparrow]

This was the face

[mortal panther]

That was right before they said "Mr. Brosnan, you need to calm down. It's not the end of the world. You'll have plenty of great acting jobs after this."

[mild finch]

absurdist memes, I can dig it

[native mesa]

It's the face he made on the box art

[cerulean elk]

This is what DK looks like if you shave him

[zinc dew]

Do y’all sometimes stay up at night thinking about why the Nintendo 64 is the greatest 32-bit system of all time?

[worn delta]

No need. Like a pious man doesn't need to stay up pondering why God is great, I don't need to question the greatness of the Nintendo 64 and it's place high above all other systems of the era, as the one true 32 bit console.

[cold pollen]

#dothemath

[daring meteor]

The greatest 32 bit system of all time is the Wii U, clearly

I love the Wii U

[zinc dew]

someone has to

[fair stump]

So what's next in dev? Just finishing up the remaining VI stuff?

[daring meteor]

Here's my guess:
Divot
32 Bit Framebuffer fixes (Starcraft, Probably Yoshi's story)
Noise dither
2 Pass Fix for stray pixels
Transparency fix
Async Video Out
YUV

[rose elbow]

i think current VI still being fixed up and looked at possibly too

[daring meteor]

Oh yeah and the last couple of VI fixes

And the Bust a move fix

[rose elbow]

omg FIFA 98 is definitely one where i'm appreciating the De-dither toggle. that is a good example of vaseline in full effect

[cerulean elk]

How did someone who is so bad at spelling become a mod? It’s spelled SEGA SATURN

[zinc dew]

Here’s my guess on what Robert is working on next:

• Divot
• 32 Bit Framebuffer fixes (StarCraft, Probably Yoshi’s Story)
• @cerulean elk’s mom
• Noise dither
• 2 Pass Fix for stray pixels
• Transparency fix
• Async Video Out
• YUV

[daring meteor]

I think one of those is much more challenging for the rest

[cerulean elk]

Only time he’s gonna disappoint someone for getting the job done early 😂

[zinc dew]

lmao this sucks, why you gotta out joke me on an insult

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew makes love like Robert makes cores; promises it’s gonna be a long, drawn out process filled with fun…ends up finishing super early

(You started this! 😂)

[zinc dew]

LOL I yield

[cerulean elk]

Oh and good morning everyone 🤣

[zinc dew]

Good morning

[night saddle]

Mornin'

Is it known what causes the stray triangle to pop up during the intro to Ocarina, when it zooms into the forest tunnel?

That's the only issue I could spot in 2+ hours of playing

[wanton sun]

probably the same reason why some games have flickering text characters...for some reason some polygon commands seem to go missing

[drowsy lantern]

I sometimes see a polygon not getting rendered here and there for like just one frame.

[wanton sun]

as it's mostly the text, i assume it's maybe the last polygons before framebuffer switch? but completly unsure

[odd vector]

Do you know what causes the Font in Diddy Kong to flicker?

[wanton sun]

no, this is what my comment was about 🙂

[odd vector]

Ah gotcha! 🙂

Maybe some transparency effect

[storm vessel]

Is it hardware features that get added/improved that yield improvements in various games? Or something else?

[zinc dew]

remember, any bugs you see in the core are reflections of your inner turmoil. Robert has judged you.

The path to TLB is only found through inner peace.

[vapid hawk]

play THPS3 and you'll realize you have failed him

i'm really curious whats wrong with that game, every texture is like a bad acid trip and all the fonts are just like, wide rectangles lol

[cerulean elk]

took the same drugs Yoshi did

[fair stump]

Each build changes the text to a different eldritch font

[rose elbow]

Radical

[cerulean elk]

looks fine to me

[fair stump]

And it's not like those textures stay static like that either

[vapid hawk]

yeah no it constantly changing

[chrome quest]

Test sheet argument for "completable" being a separate checkbox to the errors. I beat game, sure, but now I can't look straight anymore.

Anyone playing Yoshi for more than a few seconds has more constitution than me!

[cerulean elk]

deleted joke...misread what you wrote lol

[zinc dew]

I was trying to figure it out but was going to give you a 🤣 anyways

[cerulean elk]

ill think of a new one later

I am feeling spicy today

dog woke me up at 3 am for a bathroom break...damn dog

[fair stump]

Handing out 🤣 like

[cerulean elk]

should be the badge for Robby as mod

[fair stump]

Like a wild west sheriff but wearing that star

[odd vector]

I AM THE LAW

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew your new profile pic

[odd vector]

100%

[cerulean elk]

forget Guirrelmo...this is now Robby 😆

[zinc dew]

Ok there we go

[carmine kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-big-arm-strong-arm-gif-10230734

[cerulean elk]

me except I am right handed....

[carmine kettle]

lmao

[cerulean elk]

I can self burn too. I just like well crafted and timed jokes. I dont mind if they are at my own expense lol

[zinc dew]

I am sherif!

HURRRR NO GIFS

[carmine kettle]

no gifs

[cerulean elk]

imma make a change...vote Robby

[carmine kettle]

vote for me

[cerulean elk]

"NO GIFS"

[carmine kettle]

what is this? gif?huh

[woven olive]

lol deputy denny

[cerulean elk]

“YOU IN A HEAP OF GIF TROUBLE SON”

[mellow path]

I did get all the Masks (save FD), I still gotta beat the moon.

[wanton sun]

ok ok, i don't really care for 2D but i gave it a look: the issue with yoshi is that it's loading the background as 8bit texture. Probably makes sense as it looks like a NES game anyway 😛 Could fix it in my emulator by hacking in a 8bit framebuffer mode, something that should be forbidden on such a precious modern console

[daring meteor]

8 bit framebuffer? Huh

[weary palm]

NES game? Excuuuuse me mister Peip!

[woeful beacon]

Get em

Err

I mean get em Peip

[zealous hull]

I'm choosing to ignore the comments and focus on the actions. 😉

[wanton sun]

better don't ask. looking at angrylion, the 8bit framebuffer mode has way more code for the edge cases than for the normal handling

[daring meteor]

Oh yeah, now looking it up, I think the Fog that's not working is Depth Buffer based fog?

[wanton sun]

fog?

[daring meteor]

There was broken fog I recall sometimes, and looking for info on Yoshi I stumbled by it (In another game)

[vapid hawk]

can you not like stuff it through a 16bit mode and just pad the upper bits or something

[weary palm]

NES can only do like 16 background colors at once (4 palette entries, 4 colors each). Not 256... 😢