Nintendo 64

[slate sundial]

it's good in OOT as some transparent objects (like tatty old bridges in the fire temple) are clearly designed to have the AA eliminate the black edge on their alpha.

[versed cairn]

don't worry Tuolomee. I'm also team light scanlines. 80 is a good setting 🙂

[slate sundial]

that's why I'm hoping for a 24bit colour option, it'd eliminate the need for dithering and de-dithering. No idea if possible though... although the PS1 core did get this feature, so here's hoping ...

[latent galleon]

it really sounds like room is going to be tight on the fpga this time around

[stuck summit]

Forgot to toggle dedither and bilinear, otherwise ok

[slate sundial]

it does indeed, would be good to know what extra load the PS1 24bit colour mode puts on the FPGA

[versed cairn]

Yeah my perfect dark is locked to 30fps. I wonder why

[slate sundial]

dedither looks like a 17 day old fish that was mutating in a septic tank

[zinc dew]

The path to enlightenment requires every VI option to be on

[stuck summit]

but without it it looks like my grandma's old couch with all that dither, lol

[versed cairn]

Wash the dither away. All must be smooth

[stuck summit]

if higher color options like on the PS1 core were possible then I'd say dedither off could look better

but I prefer being accurate and having a little blur than color banding or strong dithering

[zinc dew]

if you can read the text on an N64 game you’re doing it wrong

[slate sundial]

I swear that this core is running smoother than OG hardware. I recall PD running like slideshow back in't day

[stuck summit]

I think that's because of the hack to remove TLB

apparently TLB is slow as molasses

[broken cradle]

im team scanline also because it acts like the anti-aliasing crt provided and i dont like seeing them jaggy edges

[versed cairn]

Your memory isn’t off. This is a special optimized version that runs a lot better then the original game

[vapid hawk]

yeah the patch we're using to get it running is from a project thats optimzing PD

also i think the original probably had a 30fps cap because its framerate didn't fly up to 60 if you stare at the sky or anything

[chilly ember]

Yea i think so, i have a real perfect dark cart and everdrive with aa disable gameshark codes enabled and the framerate never is this smooth

No idea why the hack would cap itself to 30 on mister tho?

[vapid hawk]

it doesn't for me

i kind of wish it would

12-60fps is... big swings lol

[chilly ember]

Not for me either and i'm running it on a crt and over hdmi for reference

[slate sundial]

if the game targets 30, then it's unlikely to go above that unless someone rebuilds it. the jump from 30 to 60 can break all kinds of stuff, like collisions, interactive objects, audio sync, physics etc

[chilly ember]

I'm more used to remastered xbox 360 version so maybe it doesn't bother me as much

[chilly ember]

It can, yes but i haven't experienced anything game breaking

[vapid hawk]

what this patch could really use is double-buffer soft-vsync

it'd feel much more consistent

[slate sundial]

from the comments here it appears PD performance patch thingy can hit 60, wonder if it'd be more stable if targeted 30 🤷‍♂️

[vapid hawk]

a 30 cap would be nice yeah

they really need to focus on the minimum framerates though really

as soon as 1 or 2 enemies get onscreen your in sub-20fps territory again

[chilly ember]

True

[weary palm]

Dedither on without dithering also looks nice.

[slate sundial]

the perfect blancmange recipe

[orchid nimbus]

I didn't have time to test a lot but what i saw looked amazing

[wanton sun]

thank you for the comparison. i was unsure if the top line with the black artifacts in mario64 is correct, but this shows it is. It's a AA artifact because it pulls pixels from the next line into the topmost/bottommost lines when they are black

yes, those registers are not implemented because OoT uses the RDP timing reg as copy protection. The game checks it for a specific value at boot and you can only pass the test if you match the value exactly. But there is a bug in OoT so you pass it if you always return 0 🙂 thankfully no game really needs them

yes, noise dithering isn't implemented yet, but will come the next weeks

[fair stump]

currently watching an all cpu 20 turn mario party 2 match and everything has gone smoothly 👍

[latent galleon]

is noise dither what it sounds like? a random pattern vs what is there now?

[orchid nimbus]

it looks too perfect - let's make it look less perfect and more realistic

because the N64 was going for realism 😄

[latent galleon]

i think what is there looks pretty great now with the dedither done

but if a game didn't use the dedither filter there must have been other options than the grid/banding look

[hybrid fulcrum]

I just grabbed a SNAC cable for the N64. Whenever that feature is explored, I’ll be ready to test it

[fair stump]

Mario party 2 cpu match completed without any issues. Not sure if the sheet should be updated to completable for that but I think it was in view only mode for me

[desert crow]

scroll up some I posted a test build today, snac options in OSD. Play some games and flick the new switches Robert added to check out the video settings

[orchid nimbus]

That's Team N for you sir 😄

[hybrid fulcrum]

NICE!!

I will check it out

[lilac scroll]

I finally tested the core and misteraddon’s reflex and the used n64 controllers I replaced the analogs on with 8bitdo’s Hall effects. Shall I just say, wow, it’s so fucking impressive. I only had time for fzero but it was absolute butter

Also whether it’s just a coincidental default mapping or maybe the reflex does it that way but the 8bitdo analog’s click being a way to bring the mister menu up outside of core is
😙👌

[fallen sparrow]

Is Golden Eye/Perfect Dark working?

Do I need a patch?
If so, could someone hook a brother up?

Thanks in advance

[broken cradle]

I thought golden eye worked with a patch that skipped the intro like Mario but I could be so wrong

[chilly ember]

Yes Yxkalle made a patch from a decomp project that disables tlb for Perfect Dark @fallen sparrow

[broken cradle]

#1096015979055697940 message

[chilly ember]

Goldeneye has no such patch

https://github.com/n64decomp/perfect_dark/tree/mods/performance source of the patch for perfect dark, it is not simple to build and it requires linux so yxkalle made a .bps patch to simplify this process

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks everyone

@chilly ember I sent you a DM btw

[rose elbow]

Mario 64 teleporting noise is the same noise as Shadows of the Empire "cinematic" film grain?

i always found the N64 noise to be a funny effect but would be interesting if devs made more creative usages of it. never knew that

[slate sundial]

arrrghhhh, it looks like 24bit colour might not happen

the de-dither makes it look like a 1990s low bitrate laserdisc

[vapid moat]

Gotta say btw, RGB looks really nice on N64 now that I got to see most of the VI implement so far

On that end I wonder if we get to choose the amount of blur in the core as a feature

[crisp monolith]

Anti alias adds a line to the top and bottom of the image with odd pixels for me

[tulip coral]

Robert confirmed earlier today that this was the same as original hardware I believe

[crisp monolith]

Ah!

[eternal ravine]

Wow, Sin & Punishment looks really good now

[knotty zealot]

"crt away, let's fill up the bay"

[crisp monolith]

Mario 64 looks so good now.

Is there a list of the VI features still to be implemented?

[versed cairn]

I think just divot and gamma noise

[crisp monolith]

Are either of those causing this effect in F Zero and other games?

[daring meteor]

This is dithering

[chrome quest]

It seems we're rapidly getting to the point where visual and FPS effects are going to need hardware verification before being considered issues.
No dedither on F-Zero apparently, the edge effects of AA artifacts, etc.

[teal sail]

Some games also don't have have dedither applied to the whole screen I noticed, or may be its a bug, a few examples are AeroFighters Assault, Beetle Adventure Racing, they have unfiltered borders on the sides of the screen.

[tulip coral]

i think Robert spoke about tranparency dedither yet to be implemented? maybe?

[chrome quest]

That may be an RDP mode though. Lots of little improvements to look forward to!

[visual forge]

Damn, I was playing Rayman 2 and it crashed, and at the exact same time computer screen also flickered, weird!

They are not connected

Holy crap it looks good now, I can't distinguish it from the real thing

Except the rgb out, but the N64 is so blurry that you almost can't see it anyway 😛

[native mesa]

Anyone can do a forked build that cuts features for new ones

[rose elbow]

this latest built is so good 😮

dedither is making digging through and toggling the settings a lot more fun. and AA

[fair stump]

Huh, the Mario party minigame where you deform a characters face just like in Mario 64 works.

[zinc dew]

everything looks good here, carry on

[cerulean elk]

Now things look even better lol

[modest helm]

Very cool. Where's the bps file? I couldn't find it o the Github page

[zinc dew]

I pinned it - #1096015979055697940 message

[modest helm]

Thanks guys. Problem is when I load the patch it says auto-detect failed. How to fix?

[cerulean elk]

I dont care what people say about you Robby. I think you do a great job here!

[zinc dew]

The patch changes the md5 of the rom. Use the online rom patcher on romhacking to get the new md5 and add that to your user n64 database

cic is still 6105

[cerulean elk]

once the core gets closer to the finish line I may address this in a tutorial

but I feel like your average joe user is not gonna see much success trying it

[zinc dew]

Yeah you’re right.

[cerulean elk]

any time I say "hex" or "checksum" Id say 95% plus of people have never heard those terms. Not judging...we are the minority here

[zinc dew]

the two ways I do it is with the online rom patcher, easiest method to get md5 hash and the other way is loading the rom in mupen64

The mupen64 64 method tells me all the info, md5/cic/save type/etc.

Through the log

[modest helm]

Do you mean this tool?: https://www.romhacking.net/patch/

[zinc dew]

Yes, sir

Just load your rom and it’ll spit out md5

[modest helm]

Thank you friend. Just did it. Does it need to be manually added to the N64 Database now?

[mortal panther]

As much as I was cautiously optimistic about each new VI addition and hoping for toggles for the various visual features of the console (and I am very glad they are there), now that I see the effects of them in action, I find myself not wanting to turn any of them off... because they look so good. This is how the N64 is supposed to look now. Good or bad, it is what it is. Fantastic work so far.

[cerulean elk]

I enjoy looking at them, then turning them all off to see the stark contrast

[mortal panther]

Me too, out of curiosity.

[cerulean elk]

I dont need this but one master toggle would be fun "disable all filters"

[zinc dew]

To your user database, not the official one

[mortal panther]

AA turned out to be a huge game changer. Drastic difference in visual presentation for the better.

[cerulean elk]

I need to capture the new core today for a 4 pm vid

Saturn won my heart yesterday

[mortal panther]

I knew I was forgetting something yesterday. I completely forgot to check it out. I was so busy trying out different N64 games after I got home from work. 😄

[cerulean elk]

try Grandia. Huge improvements

[mortal panther]

Will do. Thanks!

[cerulean elk]

Touring Car works now too. As does Rabbit after a regression a few cores back

Rabbit is legit too

[zinc dew]

Touring car decent?

[cerulean elk]

if you have analog

digital is a mess

Bubble Symphony works perfect. Super charming game. Great with kids too if youve got em

I dont...or at least not that I am aware of

[zinc dew]

I sure do

[cerulean elk]

you have kids too right? show them Bubble Symphony

its like cavity creating levels of sweet and fun

[zinc dew]

yeah Bubble Symphony is awesome, one of the first games I put on there

@cerulean elk I troll you but we like a lot of the same games

[cerulean elk]

haha were friends. Friends give each other hell

I dont dislike anyone here. Even @languid dune and @brisk drum and they are Wisconsinites

[gritty river]

played a bit of mario 64

very impressive

[native mesa]

eh bilinear is the most egregious of them. dedither is a necesary evil if you don't like banding when dither is off

[daring meteor]

@wanton sun Sorry if I'm missing anything - But where in the core is the Bilinear setting enabled? I only see AA_Mode checked once, for AA and not Bilinear

[gritty river]

all the VI stuff is part of the charm for me

[slate sundial]

I'm equally as enthused, but on the opposite side of the scale. I've wanted to turn these buggers off ever since I saw the HDMI N64 features.

I'm having so much fun toggling them on and off, and preferring half of them OFF 😁

[native mesa]

Yes it's kinda costlly to mod original hardware to get to this level of clarity

And patching games is a pain the ass

I'm gonna sell my RGB modded N64 with deblur for sure

[gritty river]

I RGB modded my N64, my first real console mod

[slate sundial]

which if the MiSTer N64 core toggles equates to "deblur" on the hardware modded N64s ?

[gritty river]

But tbh SVideo was pretty good already

[native mesa]

bilinear

[zinc dew]

I’ll buy it for $30

[native mesa]

Add a 0 ayou have a deal

[zinc dew]

$30.00 ok

Added two zeroes just for you

[mortal panther]

Yeah, bilinear is the only option I've disabled on a fairly regular basis. Still on the fence regarding what I prefer. Guess it depends on the game.

"Ah, you hit a guy with glasses. Well played."

[zinc dew]

I’m kidding I know modded n64s are a very time intensive and complex mod

[gritty river]

The RGB mod is easy

[zinc dew]

prove it by modding by system

[gritty river]

It's like, 3 wires

I've done two

[zinc dew]

I don’t believe you, guess you’re gonna have to buy a mod kit and mod my system

[gritty river]

Okay then I'll have to come over

Will you pay the plane tickets at least?

[zinc dew]

Sounds like you’re trying to con me. You’re gonna have to pay for everything if you want me to beleive you.

ok I’m kidding of course, that’s cool you did two rgb mods

[slate sundial]

the de-dither just looks like an indiscriminate 2D filter to me, like it scrubs detail out of the image to make it look smoother, but at the expense of detail that you'd actually want to keep.

[zinc dew]

de-dither is life

What detail do you want to see anyways, the pixels are the size of Texas and the textures are size of postage stamps (blown up to be the size of Texas)

[mortal panther]

De-dither is a necessary evil, to get rid of the dither evil.

[gritty river]

Without the filters it just looks like perspective correct PSX

[slate sundial]

I actually like that

[gritty river]

But N64 looked distinctly smooth back in the day

[slate sundial]

yes it did, and I loathed the look haha

[gritty river]

Play how you want to play of course

Options are good

[mortal panther]

With shittier textures.

[slate sundial]

N64 games were always rather murky, and the additional layers of blancmange only made it worse imo

[gritty river]

Something like mischief makers would do better without filtering I bet

[mortal panther]

I loved how the console looked. It was unique, and definitely had its own charm.

[slate sundial]

yea it's a lot of fun to have power over these features now

[gritty river]

I've got rose tinted glasses stuck to my face

N64 was my first console

[mortal panther]

That's why I'm surprised to find that I'm running with all of the options enabled (so far). It just looks... proper.

[slate sundial]

Yes ,on that, fully agreed, it looks LEGIT

[gritty river]

And the first time I played Mario 64 is etched into my mind, images, sound and feeling

[zinc dew]

Sorry, I just requested root access to anyone using the n64 core. I have a command center set up that alerts me whenever someone turns off a VI option so I can remote in and turn it back on.

@gritty river can vouch for the veracity of this statement

[gritty river]

I can't really replicate the experience perfectly without my childhood CRT lmao

[gritty river]

He's right

This was Robby's play all along

[zinc dew]

thank you

[slate sundial]

Ser, I have McAfee 98 installed on my router

[inner bronze]

Ive cracked the case. I know why Robert's work on the N64 is going so well. It's all a scam. He's written a core that offloads all the work to a software emulator running in the cloud!
I don't know how this works on MiSTers that run without ethernet, but he's probably making an antenna inside that FPGA.

[prisma ivy]

You should level up for this comment. It genuinely made me crack up

[final mulch]

resampling was supposed to get rid of sharp square pixels so that you couldn't even notice them, but composite did that well enough on its own

[prisma ivy]

It only works on people who have the 5G implant

[final mulch]

probably one of the reasons why there wasn't an rgb option

[modest helm]

Sorry for the noob question, but patched Perfect Dark and am confused on what to put in the N64 Database file. Can someone please share the line of text that needs to be added?

[zinc dew]

https://boulderbugle.com/n64-vi-added-to-core-1kj81kfy

[mortal panther]

It wants to give me cookies.
Works for me!

[grave island]

The only thing I touch is bilinear scaling. I think that is what the mods/scalers target for deblur.

[orchid nimbus]

it's a Rick Troll

[mortal panther]

Oh... I thought that read 'boulderbulge' at first. 👀

[cerulean elk]

I remoted into your PC this morning. Dude chill with the tentacle vids. Diversity your genres!

[cerulean elk]

How much you need for it? I can’t run a comparison vid w/o a HDMI modded N64 and I generally lose money on the channel. Why not more 🤷🏻‍♂️

[slate sundial]

internet sleuthing championship winner 🏆

[zinc dew]

lmaaao oh my god that’s so gross

[wicked granite]

Pilotwings 64: I noticed an potential anomaly during the demo loop when the controller is superimposed at the top left screen. It seems that it is ever so slightly translucent, occasionally you can see some pixels shining through. Its very very subtle. Did anybody else notice that, and is this original hardware behaviour or a small bug in the latest core?

[dense wagon]

hey man we doing gifs now lol 😉

[cerulean elk]

Lol no. I broke the rules. I should delete it now that people have gotten the laughs

[dense wagon]

haha i dont really care so much. I see them... and im like.... hmmmm no one going to dogpile that haha

😉

[cerulean elk]

That reminds me I need to show Pilotwings again

[cerulean elk]

Haha hence why I just let it ride for a minute. Can’t dogpile what went missing

[dense wagon]

lol i did it and omg was like less than 2 or 3 seconds haha and it spawned like nearly an hour of discussion of rules haha I was thinking... OMG, what have i done, i best lay low for a bit

[woeful beacon]

What's this about a Perfect Dark patch?

Can someone give me the cliffnotesed

[woeful beacon]

Top 5 games on the system easy

[dense wagon]

i need to get around to applying the patch (finding the patch again too) but it basically patches to work around the virtual memory use, which allows it to work on the current core, as well as provide some performance improvement too. thats like, my dumb brain knoweldge of it

(its a patch applied to the rom)

[woeful beacon]

Ah okay. So put patch, make game funny, work on core temporarily until it's done

[cerulean elk]

Yep

[woeful beacon]

Do we know what breaks in the game with the patch?

[cerulean elk]

Little game chicanery for fun till TLB is here

[woeful beacon]

Like real break. Not like oh it's faster

[woeful beacon]

Fantastic

Like my faceless mareeeyo

[drowsy lantern]

I noticed the same in Mario 64, like some elements of the background are getting shown slightly through the UI elements. (Star counter, for example). I don't recall this from real hardware but maybe I just never picked up on it.

[woeful beacon]

Is there a compilation of "No TLB" style patches?

"No TLB-foolery"

[cerulean elk]

I think it’s just Mario and PD right now?

[woeful beacon]

Word

You'd know best

You're a great breakfast meat 🐷

[chrome quest]

I didn't need to add the md5. Slightly confused about the database file, might need to get @weary palm feedback, but maybe this is worth highlighting.
I'm using the chronologically latest unstable MiSTer (1st October, not the one directly in the pins).
Though it does not contain a database file in the unstable channel, that was posted here: #1096015979055697940 message
Been working great for me, detects game ID, PD patch just worked. It seems update all will grab the older larger database file to match the older unstable that can't do this game ID check. Not sure if that unstable change will become standard yet?

[cerulean elk]

🤣

[zinc dew]

Can you save to the game pak?

The game launched for me just fine aside from the error but it wasn’t configured properly so I could only save to the controller pak.

[chrome quest]

No. Don't know if the savetype setting it is pulling is just incorrect or modified by the patch. Got the CIC right, etc.

Controller Pak worked though, same thing as you

[zinc dew]

Setting the md5 is necessary for it to pull the right save type as it doesn’t match any of the existing entries in the official n64-database.txt file.

One issue I had as a byproduct of adding the md5 is that my previous save file was rendered incompatible so I had to delete it.

[chrome quest]

Ahh, perhaps both unstable Misters + database are as good as each other then. I thought it grabbing the right CIC was already a difference. All good. Guess there's still a question of what format database will be needed for the newer unstable, but all working anyway!

[native mesa]

Unfortunately its not HDMi modded. just RGB with YPbPr output

[weary beacon]

I imagine we're in another quiet stretch

[native mesa]

The mod is easy, but the kit is like 70 dollars

Quiet Robert means busy Robert

[cerulean elk]

Thanks for giving me a small reason as an out to not spend more money lol

[native mesa]

Is weed legal in Chicago? could give me an excuse to make a drive from cleveland haha.

[wanton sun]

good point, i forget it in the build i checked in, will do next time. thank you for looking at it 🙂

[knotty zealot]

have you done the french mod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7esB8V-lD1Q oui oui

[daring meteor]

I always look at the code changes cause I'm curios and this really threw me for a loop haha

[eternal island]

i recall paper mario looking better with less blur

[daring meteor]

Yeah, its that thing I mentioned

[weary beacon]

Paper Mario with no texture filtering is compelling

[daring meteor]

Probably

[eternal island]

will need to wait and see if tlb is added though

[daring meteor]

Disable bilinear filtering and try

[inner bronze]

Curious to see how much the max timing will crash when we get TLB

[cerulean elk]

Oh yeah. Stores everywhere

I def don’t need to do a comparison vid either if I need to mod / buy hardware. It’s really not worth it IMO

[eternal island]

im curious if tlb will even be possible without making things much worse

[inner bronze]

worse how?

[eternal island]

im fine if its not added. pd can be played. paper mario will get a port sooner or later to pc with it being fully decomped

thought robert said it would make things slower

[knotty zealot]

"i recall the game looking BETTER" "no texture filtering is COMPELLING" "disable bilinear filtering and TRY" - i see very little evidence of this system showing pretty graphics

[inner bronze]

Slower as in, the CPU cant be clocked as high. The question is how far from the target 93MHz will we get, and can we compensate with other performance improvements

[tulip coral]

Are we currently running at the full 93?

[eternal island]

right, might slow some games. think he predicted about 68

but... first runnable game by christmas

[inner bronze]

Last time I heard 68 was well over a month ago

[daring meteor]

The CPU can't be ran at 93 rn but it doesn't matter

Seemingly

[inner bronze]

We arent running at 93 rn?

[sly wasp]

it doesn't need 93mhz

[tulip coral]

I see

[cerulean elk]

Most every instance of a maximum clock speed is just that…a maximum. Often hardware never sees the ceiling. Sometimes the software doesn’t need it. Other times it’s for longevity and thermal reasoning. But more often than not just because a chip can run “at x” doesn’t mean it gets near to it in function

[eternal island]

oh, thats because its all just another variation of bad. which bad flavor do you hate the least

[mild ether]

It's stupid expensive in Chicago it seemed like. I don't do the stuff myself so not totally sure but it compared to what I heard people say they pay other places.

[eternal island]

i love n64.. pls im sorry

[knotty zealot]

right right right

what we need is so much blur we can't see the truth before our eyes

[lament escarp]

I'll be sad when the core is complete and no more people come around to question if mister can really do n64 😭

[mild ether]

But Galloping Ghost is in Chicago and it's worth visiting just for that.

[eternal island]

but can it play ps2

[native mesa]

What's next? CDi?

[pale granite]

they will come asking for something else. don't worry

[lament escarp]

Digimon tamagotchi cores!

[native mesa]

pokemon pikachu!

[pale granite]

VTech VSmile

[eternal island]

now im curious if most n64 games took full advantage of the cpu

[knotty zealot]

i think nintendo took full advantage of their workforce when they had them slave away on that abomination of a system

[eternal island]

lol

[lament escarp]

Hell yeah! I had that small pedometer with pikachu as a child. That as a core with an option to make it count steps without moving would be awesome.

[pale granite]

the DE10 has an accelerometer

[cerulean elk]

Yeah I’m not sure myself. Just puts me to sleep so I never got into it

[knotty zealot]

everyone working on the n64 was playing ridge racer in their lunch time

[pale granite]

so you will have to go around with your MiSTer on battery

[lament escarp]

Wait, what? I need an extension cord to walk my pikachu then!

[pale granite]

or a 10000mAh battery

when there is a will, there is a way 🤣

[mild ether]

Same or at least makes me want to just rather be sleeping.

Just went to one of the places to buy some as a gift for someone else. Place had Verizon store vibes which I wasn't expecting at all.

[eternal island]

i cant wait to see how the core progresses. look forward to seeing each update

[orchid nimbus]

@eternal island

as of yesterday

we're at 80% playable

[eternal island]

👍

[orchid nimbus]

(that's the USA collection)

[mild ether]

Can we get a pie chart?

[fair stump]

I watched a person get credits in MK4 so that is completable. I'll quick run through it sometime and then update the sheet

[lament escarp]

Castlevania for halloween, I'm calling it.

[orchid nimbus]

@mild ether pie chart over time?

[eternal island]

i check in to see if there is something new every day

think first game ill probably finish though is just oot. i keep testing it and progress further and further each test lol

[mild ether]

I was joking but it could be an animated pie chart. 😄

[wanton sun]

one pie each day sounds like some delicous idea

[eternal island]

maybe not good on the weight though..

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun you get the Playable slice 🙂

the completable we all get to share 😄

[fair stump]

Vaseline pie?

[wanton sun]

the boots slice is currently the worst to digest for me 😦

[daring meteor]

Half of it is TLB games if that makes it easier to digest

[daring meteor]

We are but its technically unstable

[orchid nimbus]

that one goes to @zinc dew

[hexed knot]

The Completable slice just shows how lazy the rest of us are being.

Get on that us!

[dense wagon]

the untested dropped to zero or near zero... who was it who loaded every single N64 game? and thank you for your service haha

[mortal panther]

Have you tried whipped cream on it?

[orchid nimbus]

@dense wagon an army of testers

[inner bronze]

Whats the current max clock according to the synthesizer?

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune being one of them

[dense wagon]

😄 the legion

[hexed knot]

That was a collaborative weekend and a really good build.

[orchid nimbus]

She streams on twitch while testing 😄

[dense wagon]

the legion of legends

[daring meteor]

I think its like 85 or something?

But it doesn't matter since it works anyway

[dense wagon]

ah cool - twitch? i should follow - been trying to get back into that - been wanting to stream playing some random old ZX spectrum stuff so Twitch kids will be like... what the F is this

[inner bronze]

Ah okay thats only mildly overclocked

[hexed knot]

That reminds me, I have a dual capture card for simultaneous HDMI/Composite sources, I should hook up the mister and my 64 for some direct compare.

[eternal island]

im curious to see what speed will cause significant slow downs if that even works that way or if tlb will be only on for the games that use it

[mild ether]

Still amazes me that a processor like that can be recreated and run at full speed on something so affordable. FPGAs are magic.

[eternal island]

excited to see how it plays out

[cerulean elk]

I’ll note that in the vid. People keep asking

[inner bronze]

DE10 Nano is magic. FPGAs of this scale are normally not this affordable.

[cerulean elk]

Thankful for subsidized boards lol

[zealous hull]

And 95% of all good games are playable. 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

make it clear that it's for the US catalog

[inner bronze]

I paid 300 euros for an 8K LE dev board back in 2010. We got 120K to work with

[eternal island]

im assuming someone already completed oot by now right

[hollow rune]

Hopefully I am not too tired or I will stream tonight. Either some odds and ends testing or continue OoT.

[cerulean elk]

Yep

[iron trail]

Yeah I think it was @chilly ember

[eternal island]

if not ill finish it

👍

majoras mask too?

[dense wagon]

Cool yeah im itching to continue OoT

[iron trail]

Not that I'm aware but I don't read every message, so perhaps

[dense wagon]

i really wanna do Majoras mask too as iv never actually played it

[eternal island]

me neither. time system kept putting me off

[iron trail]

Give it a chance, it's so good.

[eternal island]

i plan to

[dense wagon]

yeah more i read different things about it the more im like... this sounds bloody brilliant

[eternal island]

id just load it up and have a perpetual super metroid for the first time feeling

"lol wtf am i doing where am i what is this"

except 3d.. so i was even more confused

so many directions...

[dense wagon]

haha yeah usually with these story telling type games iv gotten used to skipping so much of the dialogue, tending to have played before... so when im playing somethign new im like... right... i have to listen/read haha

[fair stump]

Quan chi teleport stomp is hilariously cheap

Confirmed MK4 is completable

[deft tree]

can also confirm

beaten it a few times last couple days lol

MAXIMUM DAMAGE

[languid dune]

Ha! I beat it a long time ago in an early build!

[fair stump]

Then mark it on the sheet

[gritty river]

Did a run of Star Fox

Man that game has always been kinda jank tbh

Runs great though

[lilac scroll]

Might I recommend banana cream

[gritty river]

A few small graphical glitches with font glyphs in the credits (some of them blink)

[zenith orchid]

I don't remember ever feeling that game was jank, even as a kid. But when I try to play it with a DS3, it doesn't feel as smooth to aim or control.

[lament escarp]

Even with the unstable main that has the range fix?

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/asi-mismo-speechless-idk-gif-15401060

Do a barrel roll

[weary perch]

i saw the compatibility sheet for Pilotwings 64 has been updated to remove text about it intermittently hanging with audio crackles. did that get resolved at some point, or does it still happen?

[orchid nimbus]

try it 🙂

and let us know

[gritty river]

I just don't find the gameplay very good

[weary perch]

in about 35 minutes i can test myself

would be interesting as i didn't think there was much that would affect something like that since the last build i tested it on (0925). i'll give it a shot in a bit

[gritty river]

I haven't kept up much but core dev goes fast

Though a lot of games don't work yet, most of the ones I like the best haha

[fair stump]

Completed clayfighters 63 1/3 with ickybod 😆

[orchid nimbus]

20% - that's not 'a lot' 😄

[languid dune]

You have my sympathies.

[gritty river]

I just did a random picking of a few games I like

[orchid nimbus]

will you update the sheet?

[fair stump]

Already did

[gritty river]

Yoshi's Story, Mischief Makers, Goemon 2, they don't play yet

[orchid nimbus]

@fair stump thanks 🙂

[gritty river]

But still

Pretty fucking cool

[daring meteor]

Yoshis story technically plays and might very well be something Robert works on soon

[gritty river]

Oh yeah it's not a complaint

I've seen it yeah, no level rendering

Looks just like looking out of bounds in half life 2

(yeah I know it's due to a lack of clearing the screen)

[brazen obsidian]

I found starfox played soooo much better with the NSO n64 controller, the resistance on that joystick helped me aim much more accurately

[hexed knot]

That may have been me, the audio crackling was gone for me, and general performance increased significantly with a build about a week back.

[weary perch]

that's exciting!

i love that game, will give it a rip in a few minutes here

[native mesa]

How are the hall effect sticks? Mine should be arriving today

[chilly ember]

I like mine in 8bitdo kit, I think it works well

[native mesa]

Is there a Starfox 64 decompile? I kinda want to replace the instrument samples with SNES ones

[weary beacon]

Hit the jackpot on my morning walk. Chicken of the woods.

[native mesa]

Do you eat that

[weary beacon]

yes, it's a mushroom. If you cook it right, tastes like chicken.

[cerulean elk]

almost done capturing for 4. Vaseline times

[mild ether]

Nice find.

Love wild mushrooms.

[weary beacon]

Thanks. I'm looking forward to lunch now. I havn't had a lot of wild ones. This girl doesn't have any real look alikes so is safe for a novice like me. 2 years ago I found some and made BBQ sandwiches. Always looking for it now.

[old iris]

where do these mushrooms grow?

[weary beacon]

Usually on dead Oak trees.

[chilly ember]

Chicken of the trees

[native mesa]

Your mother's arse

[weary beacon]

This was harvested in Delaware, Ohio.

[mild ether]

Yep, looks proper. Takes a bit of practice and ideally someone who knows what to look for to build confidence in what you're getting but there is a ton of good mushrooms to eat in the woods.

[old iris]

I understand, in which country?)

[weary beacon]

United States

[native mesa]

oh cool I'm in Cleveland

[weary beacon]

Yeah. I could harvest Turkey Tail and Morels, maybe chantrelles. I grew pink oysters in doors too. Those taste like bacon!

[weary beacon]

nice man. Vote yes on Issue 2 this november 🙂

[native mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-snoop-dogg-rabjouj-gif-21804700

[old iris]

stupid clown, why aren't you banned yet?

[native mesa]

Is this real anger? lol

[old iris]

Why write such crap, did I offend someone with my question?

[native mesa]

Where are you from? Maybe it's a culural thing but it's not serious.

All in good fun

[weary beacon]

My guess was he was trying to be funny. He might have also thought they were dung loving mushrooms too, like cubes or something. Which would explain out of someones butt haha.

ever tried lemon tek?

[topaz otter]

20% is 80% of the n64 library worth playing

[languid dune]

I need my Mischief Makers and KI Gold!

(shakes fist at TLB)

[native mesa]

Goldeneye, Paper Mario,

[blissful plaza]

Goemon.

[languid dune]

It really is kind of crazy just how many of the really good N64 games use TLB.

[native mesa]

Smash bros works just fine

[sacred valley]

Seems logical to me if they're graphically intense

[topaz otter]

Robert will fix it but right now he's playing mario kart and someone keeps pushing the osd button and causing the mister to reboot

[mellow path]

Yo are those supposed to be chanterelles

[latent galleon]

it really feels like there should be some kind of heuristic TLB workaround or something with the extra resources the de10 has

[topaz otter]

They look like giant candy corns

[mellow path]

They look really orange, have you ruled out them being Jack-o-lanterns (which will make you very sick)

[topaz otter]

fun fact: where I live we have a lot of asian immigrants, they aren't familiar with the local mushrooms and they think since they look the same as the ones in asia that they are safe

but they are not

[native mesa]

Do they die?

[topaz otter]

this is why you don't go hunting for mushrooms in the woods of an unfamiliar place

[topaz otter]

they wind up in the hospital a lot

[native mesa]

I think Robert is cooking up sometning

Stewing on it yaknow

[topaz otter]

#roadkill

chicken of the curb

[native mesa]

Why did the chicken cross the road

For me to eat

[eternal island]

some food you find in walls is quite healthy

saves lives

[latent galleon]

yeah i was just thinking aloud, i get why a straightforward implementation is so big but maybe it doesn't need to be 1:1

[native mesa]

Like most of the core I don't think it will be

as long as the end result is accurate

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-jimmy-comedian-whatagreataudience-gif-12779864

whos there

[fair stump]

I believe he mentioned he's already planning on doing a somewhat faked version. I'd have to search for the comment

[topaz otter]

o-o-orange who

[chilly ember]

Orange isn't everyone happy he didn't say banana

[mellow raft]

lime get back to you on that

[gritty river]

Did you know that your food is grown with poop?

Fair

[weary perch]

Sadly the issues remain. Somehow they seem less prevalent than before, but Gyrocopter still shows the same thing - repeated ~1s hangs, eventual audio corruption/crackles, continuing into the results screen

I'll update the entry

i'm not even sure how it shows up less often now, as the vast majority of stuff done recently is just visual/VI stuff, with a few exceptions. but it does seem to happen less often now. hangglider only showed a single small hang

[wanton sun]

the memory priority was changed, so some games get slower cpu/gpu response now, can change such edge case behavior

[cerulean elk]

just finished editing. Such great improvements. Vaseline is in full smear lol

[wanton sun]

did anyone find more games like pokemon stadium PAL(1+2) where the image is waving?

i found that the VI is not able to fetch data fast enough and it would be good if i take a look and have more testcases afterwards

[lament escarp]

New video at 4??

[cerulean elk]

yep

export and upload now, Pepsiman to vet at 3 for 8 week check up

which is funny because two weeks ago to the time I picked him up at my wife's work when he was found as a tiny kitten

10/10 would miss video going out for kitten again

[lament escarp]

When you miss an upload because of a pet you should put a 30 second clip of said pet in the next vid. Fair is fair you know!

[cerulean elk]

he will show up soon 🙂

[wanton sun]

i know why you put the n64 to 4...at that time i will sleep and i'm not able to upload a new core 30 minutes later 🙃

[cerulean elk]

hahaha. Actually my cut off time is 1 pm. Otherwise I feel rushed and I am not a huge fan of working rushed

new core before 1 pm and I will same day it. After that I move it to next day. Although yesterday it was to give Saturn its spotlight

[lament escarp]

I watch them while already in bed. 😄 they help me fall asleep.

[cerulean elk]

people OFTEN say I have a soothing voice. I dont get it

🤣

[wanton sun]

i could only sleep in the 30 seconds audio samples,talking so fast...did you ever try subtitles? even they cannot catch up

[lament escarp]

Yeah you sound like a really nice guy. Good thing most of your audience doesn't know how you are on discord.

[cerulean elk]

hahaha I have two personalities

[native mesa]

He throws an off-color joke in every once in a while

[cerulean elk]

If you know me from here / IRL I have a diff intonation in my voice and love to weave a tapestry of expletives for effect. Maybe one day I will do a "VGE after dark"....but I do drop very dirty sly jokes into videos often enough for fun

[cerulean elk]

I do. I just intentionally deliver it with no inflection so you are never sure WHAT you heard

[native mesa]

Is Robert implying a core update is incoming?

?!

[fiery ruin]

Does anyone know if you can convert a ship of harkinian save to a compatible save format for the n64 core?

[cerulean elk]

lol just make him leave me alone for 24 hours (nah...bring on the cores!)

[lament escarp]

A core update is always coming. People were literally dying when there wasn't one for 3 days straight.

[native mesa]

literally dying

I like to think people are always literally dying, I'd be concerned if they weren't

[wanton sun]

too much work, no time for hobby today. Well we played 1 hour of smash. I count this is testing

[cerulean elk]

I do hope one day your kids exceed your talents and you become the dad who got beaten by the child. Its the true passing of the baton lol

[modern sleet]

Is this a symptom of the deinterlacing?

And speed of the VI

[wanton sun]

it's because the game has such a high vertical resolution that it needs to fetch so much data for each line that it cannot always keep up

[cerulean elk]

oh yeah wavering image...2 secs

[wanton sun]

the main reason is that the 9th memory bit is stored in sdram, not ddr3. And as strange as it sounds, fetching 1 bit from sdram is slower than 8 from ddr3

[cerulean elk]

THPS 2 wavers on edges

[native mesa]

Chat GPT did the math. People are literally dying about 2 times a second

[cerulean elk]

just checked vid...just THPS2 wavers

[wanton sun]

i will try, thanks

[cerulean elk]

@wanton sun

[remote hatch]

okkk my head is spinning as I watch this 😄

[cerulean elk]

haha half pipe

[native mesa]

Does N64 use a specific algorithm for downscaling?

[modern sleet]

That looks fine

[fair stump]

Oh clayfighters 63 1/3 wavers at the top and bottom

I noticed that today

[modern sleet]

I think its going to be mostly related to pal games where the vertical res for interlaced games is over 500 lines

[fair stump]

But it's ntsc

[modern sleet]

I dont see the lines on THPS2 on mine for NTSC, maybe im missing something?

[wanton sun]

it's different from pokemon stadium, only leftmost column and gone when you pause one time

stadium shows wrong/old lines randomly

[modern sleet]

NHL99 Pal has the same issue

Oddly the core says its 474i

[wanton sun]

very first screen already, thank you!

[modern sleet]

Might be anything that uses interlaced for pal or 312x2 lines (per frame), NTSC doesnt seem to have the issue @ 262x2 lines

[dense wagon]

i have a 4 year old, who, is so far not intersted in gaming, BUT i want to train him, and one day, pass the baton... or... the controler so to speak.

[cerulean elk]

My wife and I kinda timed out on having a kid so...no baton to pass for me. Unless you can teach a cat to hold a controller

[wanton sun]

maybe those games don't use bilinear/AA/dedither so maybe i don't have to fetch that much

[cerulean elk]

we were abouto start trying (I mean I just need two minutes...one to achieve results, one to apologize for the performance 😆) but literally we came back from a vacation...decided it was time....BOOM COVID

[lament escarp]

Tbh I don't think I could love a child as much as a pet.

[cerulean elk]

wife went from 36 to basically 40 by the time the dust settled

[quick arch]

is 240p tests patterns could help for those issues it proposed different kind of tests ?

[native mesa]

Adoption is an option

[cerulean elk]

True. Just wildly expensive and time consuming. I dunno...we shall see

[native mesa]

But that dink life tho

[fair stump]

From my experience, if you had kids you'd probably really not have time to put out videos like you do

[heavy geyser]

What an interesting off topic 😂

[cerulean elk]

we still COULD still have a child but the risks at the age bracket...not like super appealing to roll those dice

[cerulean elk]

lol sorry...I zag a lot

[native mesa]

If i marry my girl idk if she could stop drinking long enough for a child

[latent galleon]

jesus christ this is an n64 channel

and that made me sad

[native mesa]

N64 is life

[dense wagon]

Na cats are super crap at reactive problem solving. Same as dogs, a pig tho... if you could adapt a controler for a pig to use... then we are talking haha.

[latent galleon]

stop making me sad @native mesa and have a hug ❤️

[cerulean elk]

Don't tempt me. Id have a farm full of animals if I could

[chrome quest]

Found a few. Pokémon Stadium 2 might be useful as the boot N64 logo is fine for a second, then waving occurs as it fades out.
Rat Attack (PAL), from boot.
Supercross 2000 (PAL), from boot, but inconsistent like the N64 logo on Stadium 2
For an NTSC example;
Triple Play 2000 (NTSC), just after boot EA logo

[zenith orchid]

Glad the visual stuff is the focus now, that's pretty much what's holding us back from getting some numbers in the "perfect" column

[wanton sun]

thank you!

[chrome quest]

No problem. I trialed the games @trim seal noted when we first started calling it "glass door" looking effect. They may know of more if you need further examples

[wanton sun]

i think this is fine. We can take a look again when i have a fix

i happens rarely, so a small performance increase should be all it needs

[zenith orchid]

though for sm64 to be considered perfect, wouldn't we also need to apply a romhack so the FPS and hardware stats are visible on screen, and then compare that between original hardware and the core? or is that going too deep?

[lament escarp]

When the first people of the mister community retire they should open a retirement home for other mister enthusiasts. We'd have cats and dogs and pigs and play mister and enjoy the golden years.

[native mesa]

I think pixel accuracy is important but who could complain about better framerates so long as timing is correct

[wanton sun]

for 100% perfect you would even need more effort to prove, but keep in mind that our ddr3 cannot rebuild the rdram exactly, so the core will never be 100% accurate in all timings on the de10-nano

[zenith orchid]

so exceptions would have to be made for that limitation

[wanton sun]

not to mention how hard it would be to even build that given how complicated the system is. if we get very close with speed and graphics and compatibility, this is all i could ever hoped for on mister

[zenith orchid]

by close do you mean with a 1% margin? or lower?

[wanton sun]

i would say: comparable to the psx core

[latent galleon]

so nothing any human would ever notice?

[cerulean elk]

so only mathmatical and machine analysis is going to tell the difference. The grey matter behind our eyes will never know

[latent galleon]

or behind our ears in the PSX's case...like laughably tiny differences

[wanton sun]

it always depends on the user. If you just play the game, hopefully not (unless there are bugs), but if you dig deep with comparing exact color of every pixel in every frame, you likely find something

[marble cargo]

So less than 1% of the retail games having any issues?

[drowsy lantern]

Is it just me or Mario 64 is faster on MiSTer than real hardware? I feel like it has less slowdown.

[wanton sun]

the ddr3 currently runs at 800Mbyte/s, so 60% faster than n64 memory. there is no slow down yet. But RSp and CPU don't work at full speed yet. So it's currently a mixed situation where some games might be about right, some are faster and some are slower. Such finetuning can be done when the major bugs are out

[latent galleon]

@wanton sun i've always thought that would be really cool to check a whole library that way, just capture games on mister and real hardware and compare frame by frame for correct pixels...probably just title/attraction screens but i bet it would find some subtle bugs

[wanton sun]

psx was in a situation where 95%+ games worked fine when i did the performance research and adjustments. Many would probably never have noticed

[drowsy lantern]

Speaking of psx, do you intend of returning to it and polishing it even further at some point or do you consider this done?

[daring meteor]

Wait, what CPU part isn't fullspeed?

[zenith orchid]

With the PSX core, I believe there's a delay of a cycle or two in audio, which is on the scale on nano seconds, and the CD system is implemented at high level, as it would double the development time to make a low level CD system.. so the difference would be so minute other than CD spinup and load times

[wanton sun]

CPU has no writefifo yet and cpu memory loads will always stall the next 2 instructions, while real cpu only stalls if the result of the read is used one of the next 2 instructions. Also cache fetch is slightly too slow in some cases

[daring meteor]

Ah, memory loads are important, fair enough

[wanton sun]

writefifo also has large impact, let me show you

[zenith orchid]

I remember later into PSX core's development cycle, all the updates were related to timing tests. N64 core hasn't reached that phase yet, so there would definitely be discrepancies in timing

[wanton sun]

you can see that longer RSP DMAs are about right with the timing, but the "setup" of the RSP dma is far too slow. This is because starting such a DMA requires multiple writes in a row. With writefifo, the cpu can work ahead and doesn't have to wait for the write to complete. Currently it must wait until the RSP acknoledges the write

[zenith orchid]

ooof, that's a slowdown alright

[daring meteor]

Oh, does the CPU stall while running a write to RSP?

[wanton sun]

the cpu in the core currently has to. The n64 cpu can buffer up to 4 writes

that function is still missing

even more: it can buffer a whole cache line writeback

so yes, this is important to get full speed with the cpu

[daring meteor]

Ah, fair, 4 writes probably almost covers the number of cycles for the RSP return, no?

[wanton sun]

overall it will not help the n64 in the rsp dma case, because the initial cost of the rsp dma are so high, i still have no idea what they are doing there, the core will just have to wait doing nothing, but in other situations it could be more important

this test is one of the first i made in january to check if the core would even be possible at all on mister 🙂

[daring meteor]

Unfourtenatly I don't think an N64 core is possible, but maybe you'll have 1 game running in a year

[wanton sun]

(i didn't made them public yet because most of these tests where made with minimal knowledge of the system, so it's to embarrassing to show, have to rework them when it's time for that)

hopefully i can play Mario Kart 64 with my family on christmas. At least it's not my fault anymore if we cannot 🙂

[daring meteor]

Haha

[cerulean elk]

I think you were closer in days apart to Christmas 2022 than to 2023 lol

[tulip coral]

Do you consider TLB still to be a major hurdle? Or have you some ideas how to implement this part of the core?

[hollow rune]

Going live on Twitch to test some games and maybe just play OoT
https://www.twitch.tv/rgw_panda

[weary palm]

Just xor the higher address bits a bit. Tlb done.

[daring meteor]

I was about to say "We're almost to TLB" before I realized Robert could probably list 10 things to do before TLB
And even I list 5 hahaha

[tulip coral]

Question for anyone with an NSO controller… is there a recommended Bluetooth dongle for it? Currently using wired and my MiSTer doesn’t have any BT… thanks

[cerulean elk]

At this point I genuinely believe you just are the panda

Like I can’t imagine a human behind the monitor any more 🤷🏻‍♂️

[oblique remnant]

@weary palm the DKR FPS patch crashes also on original hardware sometimes 😄

[zenith orchid]

DKC?

[oblique remnant]

do you know the difference between " AA Fast " and " AA Fancy " in the ingame options compared with settings in the core?

[oblique remnant]

DKR 🙂 #1096015979055697940 message

[zenith orchid]

😄👍

[stuck summit]

Robert has made quite a few posts discussing the matter, but basically it's very resource intensive. A full implementation of TLB would be a challenge to fit in the core, but luckily no games use full TLB. So the plan is to make a sort of mini-TLB for MiSTer and have the option for full TLB on future hardware. I think videogame esoterica made a video discussing it in more detail.

[brisk drum]

We call em pheasant backs round here

[stuck summit]

#1096015979055697940 message Post in question discussing this

I think that, since it's unsure how much resources TLB will end up taking so that all that games work with no issues, it's best to work on optimizing everything else first to have as much free space as possible when the time comes to work on that. Not that I'm an expert or anything but this is what I understood

[flint thunder]

How come turning on / off VI dedither, anti aliasing and Bilinear makes no difference in FZeroX USA?

Maybe ; that’s an interesting choice. Anyway, the game has always looked sharp.

[bold widget]

Has anyone an issue with their NSO N64 controller drifting with the analogue stick or is mine broken?

[languid dune]

Yeah, F-Zero X just doesn't use those features.

Excitebike 64 doesn't use them either.

[flint thunder]

So all of those blurry games were blurry on purpose !

For instance star soldier does not use dithering. Removing dedithering makes it way sharper.

[stuck summit]

yeah, prolly 'cause they were developed with CRTs in mind lol

[drowsy lantern]

But also on paper it seemed like the default way to go. Why would you not want to smooth out all the edges and the pixels?

You can see the intention behind every single feature, but in the end we can all argue that it was a bit too much.

[topaz otter]

They could get away with it because of low resolution tvs

[latent galleon]

i mean i was there at the time, and it looked blurry on "low resolution tvs" too

[cerulean elk]

TL:DR (watch) my video lol….what TLB is capable of vs what it’s ACTUALLY doing on N64 differs

[topaz otter]

But then the digital comb filter was invented and it turns the n64 into a blurry mess

[cerulean elk]

Some games ping it once and then never again (just a check then it’s abandoned), others do utilize it some. But I don’t believe there’s a single TLB game that employs the entire TLB table as it were

So if you implemented the X percent needed for every game that uses it to run 100%…technically I guess it’s not “accurate” but who cares if non utilized TLB functionality is in the core…it’s idled as is

[drowsy lantern]

But even back then on CRTs people still thought everything was too blurry. It was a common mocking point by PSX fanboys.

[latent galleon]

sure was

[topaz otter]

True, but the size of the average tv was small. We played on a 65" rear projection and it did not help the n64 at all

[cerulean elk]

If I had anything to compare a functional but incomplete TLB to it’s like a film set…what’s on screen is perfection. Off screen? Total bodge of stuff. But the illusion of a fully featured world is there. Just translate that to TLB

[drowsy lantern]

It's weird though how all the effects of the N64 have the unintended side-effect of turning everything that attempts to adopt a realistic look into something that looks wholly unrealistic, too flat, cartoony. Whereas I assume the grit of raw pixels on PS1 really helped games like Gran Turismo or MGS to have a realistic-looking edge.

[eternal ravine]

Yeah but PSX geometry shakes like elderly Michael J Fox

[latent galleon]

i mean the TLB does a very specific job, and either it works or it doesn't...so hack away

[topaz otter]

Making the image bigger made it way worse, it was designed for an average 15 to 20 inch tv with an rf adapter

[eternal ravine]

The core is giving me a new appreciation for N64 frankly

But man some games look rough without all the smearing and countersmearing

[junior pine]

Oh man! 🤣

[topaz otter]

The ps1 also has no 3d hardware

[drowsy lantern]

Did the developers that use TLB do so intentionally? Like, does it provide a necessary performance boost that would have made Mario's face impossible or slower without it? Or did it allow them a form of laziness when coding?

[topaz otter]

Its all in software

[latent galleon]

http://en64.shoutwiki.com/wiki/N64_TLB

that is worth skimming

[junior pine]

To my knowledge, the PSX has the Geometric Transformation Engine, which is 3D hardware lacking z-buffer.
In no possible way would the weak PSX CPU move any 3D games in software.

[eternal ravine]

To be fair, a few PSX 3D games still look good, like Crash Bandicoot

That game did some funny stuff with hammering the CD drive

[topaz otter]

I think your right

[junior pine]

Heh, yes, I remember taking out the CD while playing because I knew it used synthesized music, and the game crawling like a snail

Whatever the game does with the CD while the levels play, I don't know, it's still a mistery to me

[eternal ravine]

I think it's just constantly fetching level data
To the point that it damages the drive, haha

Great video, plus it has an even longer version on YT
https://youtu.be/izxXGuVL21o

[drowsy lantern]

Pretty sure it streams level data as you progress through the level. Kind of innovative for the time. Typically games would load a whole area and not touch the CD drive again except for audio. FF7 also pre-loaded battle arenas/enemies as you were playing. Like you could hear the CD drive start to fetch and be like "uh oh battle incoming in 4... 3... 2..."

[hollow rune]

I get this a lot, and it always confuses me. Like who else would I be? Is it wrong I assume @night saddle is indeed a walrus?

[dense wagon]

great stream 😄

one thing i never worked out on twitch was having it save footage of streams... haha that a paid feature?

[weary palm]

She was being a good panda

[weary palm]

Kind of expected, as there's no "stable" release.

[inner garden]

the core is soooo goood

[lament escarp]

Indeed. 😄

[inner bronze]

Nothing in a single process should require a MMU. Especially not for performance. Any reasoning was probably a) its there, might as well, b) it made coding slightly easier

[dense wagon]

Oh pushing the limits of some hardware getting stuff to work on zero ram... Elite 1984 is a great example... using procedural generation rather than manual entries meant they could create a sandbox game with 256 solar systems. OR many other games would use a single texture file and just select and re-use different bits of it to squeeze everything they could out of the resources.

[eternal ravine]

Interesting stuff

[cerulean elk]

Imagination lol. I have it in excess

vid is loose

[quaint pewter]

two videos today? you are spoiling us 🙂

[dense wagon]

yeah that video @eternal ravine is super good - and shows what people can do when they know what they are doing and are extremely smart.

These days things are ridiculously powerful (hardware) so this kind of cleaver coding just isn't required anymore... Its like seeing a game look very bad graphically, and performance is also bad... and its all because the people coding the games are not really coding, they are scripting... and typically thats slow.
But no one cares because the hardware is fast enough these days.

[eternal ravine]

Just use HD photo textures for everything now

[dense wagon]

yeah

every so often you see a game or game engine that looks amazing, and runs well on old hardware and you realise, yeah, ok that engine is actually efficient

[eternal ravine]

I'm just waiting for VR to fully gel
Seems like the last development that might get me into new consoles

[cerulean elk]

almost a daily thing now lol

[stray sphinx]

guys, is there some special way of running mario64? I have the latest core and the latest unstable nightly, but after the big mario head appears, i get some colored noise on the top of the screen and then black. Other games work fine, but never got mario to run. Thanks

[eternal ravine]

Pepsicat has ushered in a new era of hyperproductivity

[cerulean elk]

all healthy vet visit. Just waiting for kitten aids test back

[dense wagon]

So Mario64 i understand you have to patch still to get it to run

[cerulean elk]

correct

[rose elbow]

theres a pinned comment with a patch for mario 64

[stray sphinx]

oh had no idea

[eternal ravine]

Yes, the big Mario face uses TLB, which has yet to be implemented

[rose elbow]

just for the time being

[dense wagon]

just that one part uses TLB haha nice

[rose elbow]

really demonstrates also how the intro face was a completely different little side project demo to demonstrate the visuals on 64 that got integrated into the game aha

learning about Nintendo along the way

[dense wagon]

yeah haha was going to say - sounds like someone was proud of it and really wanted it to get used beyond a tech demo

[weary palm]

If you guys are into a lot of SM64 rom hacks, I made a version of MiSTer main that patches out the intro face on the fly. It only affects SM64 roms.

until TLB

[inner plume]

just got around to trying out this core, I am definitely impressed

[weary perch]

the mario face demo is Giles Goddard

whiz-kid dev from Argonaut

[weary palm]

yup

[weary perch]

1080 lead dev

[weary palm]

Goddard is a god

[eternal ravine]

@inner plume
It's really slick, and that's coming from a person who never liked N64 back in the day

[dense wagon]

any time anyone mentions mario it just reminds me of Starbomb - Smash , and Luigi's Ballad

[languid dune]

Now do this for Mischief Makers!

[rose elbow]

aha

[cerulean elk]

you already got your F-Zero! Paper Mario should come next lol

[weary palm]

mischief makers uses tlb?

[languid dune]

That's what I've been told! It hangs on the title screen after pressing start.

[weary palm]

is there a patch?

[languid dune]

Quiet you! My selfish demands always take priority!

[languid dune]

Not that I'm aware of.

[cerulean elk]

Chicago trumps Wisconsin...I win

[inner plume]

I'm having fun with messing around with the various VI settings

Generally, I'm fairly happy with how removing AA looks on a CRT

[languid dune]

Ha! WI destroys Chicago! We got cheeze and booze!

[weary palm]

patching out the head in sm64 is just a matter of rewriting a few bytes, that's why it was easy to implement in main

[rose elbow]

when TLB gets implemented im going to spend a good 2+ hours on the intro face to make up for all the times ive skipped it recently

[weary palm]

gorgeous

[cerulean elk]

we have booze and better beaches

[weary palm]

same. i'm going to stretch the living shit out of that plumber mofo

[cerulean elk]

and Meat. We are like Arby's down here

[quaint pewter]

Is it my ears, or is there something going on with the mic on this video? It sounds like your voice is "going in and out" or changing bass/treble at regular intervals? maybe its my imagination though.

[languid dune]

You just killed your case!

[quaint pewter]

the voice over has a different quality to the video you posted earlier

[inner plume]

@cerulean elk Maybe but have you seen the price of smokes in Chicago?

[weary palm]

Is Chicago like its portrayed in Perfect Dark?

[weary beacon]

No, it's worse.

[trim seal]

UNTIL TLB! (salutes)

[inner plume]

Chicago is fun to visit but I'm not sure I'd want to raise a family there, at least in the city

I did like it a lot as a single bachelor though, thought about moving there at one point

[weary beacon]

I'd rather do just about anything else than have to drive in chicago. It's insane.

[eternal ravine]

I was stuck on this big elevated roadway during a crazy rainstorm when I drove through there

[cerulean elk]

Oh yeah?

[quaint pewter]

I just wondered if you were using a different mic. It's subtle and I'm not an audio engineer. lol. You just sound a little bit more bassy at points?

[weary beacon]

How ever, our blue knight did win at medevil times so there's that. The Aquarium was nice.

[tulip coral]

Very much like Exile on the BBC. Truly remarkable what they achieved

[weary beacon]

Gotta check out this AA now.

[azure hatch]

With this in mind it begins to make me wonder exactly what the advantage is of my mister you know? For most people inaccuracies in software and the de-nano would be inconceivable anyway. So if you can't claim 100% hardware accurate it seems like a moot point really to have it at all. I have to assume most cores are the in the same place accuracy wise for one reason or another.

[fair stump]

Can I have your mister then?

[azure hatch]

Have? lol no...sell? Well we might be able to have a conversation.

[viral portal]

Can I sell your mister then?

[azure hatch]

Sure! As long as all the funds are going to me before the Mister is shipped ;)

[viral portal]

Would that be an outvoice?

[azure hatch]

That would be most people can't afford it so it's a silly conversation ;)

[junior pine]

Yeah, makes sense

[viral portal]

hey, wouldn't you know it! I put your Mister up for sale for $5 and I bought it within minutes! That was fast!

[kind solar]

for me the advantages are that i don't have to spend a ton on a high end pc to get the best software emulation performance that still falls short, have low lag, ease of use wrt controller driver support and not needing to configure loads of stuff for my OS and hardware and each emulator plus it's small and easily chucked in a bag

[azure hatch]

Well it's just time to have a serious conversation about this because the selling point over software was suppose to be hardware accuracy. But most of the cores I've tested never got there..which is fine but it's time to stop telling people lies. It's a hope that one day all cores could be 100% accurate but not likely.

[viral portal]

I don't think I've ever been sold on a 100% accuracy pitch. I was sold on accuracy, but I don't think anything will ever be 100% accurately emulated over FPGA.

[kind solar]

do you need 100% accuracy that you prob can't even perceive to play games or to preserve games

[prisma ivy]

I think we'll be more likely to get closer to 100% accuracy on FPGA as opposed to software

[azure hatch]

That's already been established in something I mentioned earlier but totally irrelavent. At any rate, most people that wanted a mister likely have one by now so it don't matter really.

[inner garden]

@wanton sun VI anti alias doesn’t do anything on F-Zero X. Is that just how that game is?

[viral portal]

Yes. Having an FPGA act as closely to cycle accuracy as opposed to relying on already established CPU cycles that are likely off a smidge here or there will be closer, but we are also getting to the point where software emulation is doing a really good job compared to even the last 5 years.

[modern sleet]

Some cores are literally built on the decapping the original hardware

[viral portal]

I know, but they still aren't 100% accurate, right?

[modern sleet]

Neogeo being one of them

[elfin depot]

Some core info has been used to remake the chips that worked in original hardware

[inner garden]

dedither also does nothing on F-Zero X

[weary perch]

there's different aspects to "accuracy", too. software is really good at being able to throw a lot of power and brute force something, but serialization presents issues. wave race 64 on the MiSTer core semi-accurately drops frames in the same places as a real N64. notably on southern island when the orca breaches, a few other spots. emulators failed to replicate that performance hitch for a very, very long time, and the MiSTer core mostly nailed it before it's even out of the gate

[weary palm]

I guess it's disabled in software in this title. maybe to enable a stable 60 fps

[final knoll]

@cerulean elk Just viewed you video.. Mario64 @ 60FPS got me buzzin..

Great video. thank you sir 🙂

[cerulean elk]

glad you enjoyed!

[languid dune]

So where can one find this wonderous Perfect Dark patch?

[final knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_rzYnXEQlE

has anyone looked at this.. its a great great video and i wondered if there is a possibility of using this version on the Mister?.. hmm

[hexed knot]

The selling points of the MiSTer have never solely relied on 100% accuracy for myself. The compelling parts of the mister are 1) lower latency than software emulation, 2) easier HDMI compatibility than modding the original hardware, 3) a compelling number of options being applied to a compelling number of cores, and most importantly for me, 4) supporting the archival work intrinsic in FPGA hardware emulation.

[native mesa]

Yes there are a few builds that people have posted that use some of those enhancements

Works just fine on mister

[weary perch]

if you want literally 100% accuracy, i don't see any way around actual hardware, basically. and i guess if you get a hardware revision you're out of luck too for that perfect 100%

[final knoll]

man i gotta sit down with that for a while .. thanks for the reply 🙂

[rose elbow]

just on this topic of 100%, this reddit thread got posted recently and i was mostly amused scrolling through it trying to imagine a 5 year old reading this stuff https://www.reddit.com/r/MiSTerFPGA/comments/170djh8/i_need_someone_to_explain_the_mister_like_i_am_5/

[hexed knot]

Hardware emulation via FPGA isn't something that just dies with the MiSTer. It's extensible to future FPGA devices, and the understanding/documentation of the the hardware from systems of the past is the shortcut to eventual full accuracy in the future.

[azure hatch]

The very point and original intention of the mister was suppose to be cycle accurate emulation. Most people now years later have forgotten that. We just haven't gotten there yet and likely never will. In fact to even call it an emulator was blasphemy lol

[viral portal]

Yeah, I really love that people are going to these lengths to understand how to develop these cores as accurately as possible. I didn't mean to undermine any of that if that's how I came off. I was just saying I don't think "100% accuracy" was ever how people promoted the MiSTer. Just that, thanks to the development efforts within the scope of the de10 nano's FPGA, we could get more accurate than PC software emulators, edging ever closer to OG hardware. It was merely in response to Eldritch's comment about how he was sold on that kind of word of mouth.

[hexed knot]

Why do you believe it's something that will never happen? We've seen iteration and improvements just within the MiSTer lifecycle itself, with the Megadrive rewrite, and the passion people have for cycle accurate emulation doesn't get more difficult with the experience, code, and documentation developed as the MiSTer matures.

[modern sleet]

Typically the goal is cycle accurate

[azure hatch]

Definitely current hardware limitation. (ddr3) Now that being said if better hardware ever comes out thats financially doable for the average person then well I'd say most cores probably could eventually be 100%.

[hexed knot]

Ah I see, I suppose if we take into account the limitation of the DE-10, yes, I'd agree. But I don't think anyone would argue that the MiSTer is the endgame for this project.

[quick arch]

I tried with noface rom or applied noface after but I get e000040

[final knoll]

When did software emulation of consoles & arcade hardware start.. 1996-1999 ?...

When did Mister come out, 2018 or something.. i think there doing ok.. exponentially ok if you ask me...

[kind solar]

i mean these old consoles don't do hdmi either so that's not accurate at all

smdh

[rich delta]

@wanton sun Dont know if this is a bug or has already been noted but VI anti aliasing might have a bug in it. If you turn off dithering and dedithering (so you can actually see the game Nintendo 😉🤣) and look at the Starfox 64 opening sequence with the star field in the background and toggle anti aliasing new stars appear that flicker. Also the edge of the 64 in the starfox logo has irregular bobbles and in Kirby 64 the big white number in the bottom left appears to have flickering bobbles around them. Its obviously a minor thing but I know you recently implemented it so it might be fresh in your mind. This maybe is just the algorithm used as Im not sure of the specifics for it but thought Id flag it. Fantastic work as always to get all this working. ❤️

[azure hatch]

The guy working on this core is nothing short of a genius imo

[final knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWcASV2sey0

[latent galleon]

i don't think there's anything in the de10 architecture that prevents "cycle accuracy" in any core prior to 5th generation consoles

and even then the differences between PSX versions are also there, games just don't care for exact timing as much once you hit 3d land

[cold pollen]

I don't think anybody but Analogue is selling the idea of 100% accuracy/perfection

The idea is that accuracy comes at a lower cost in FPGA so you don't have to invest in a higher end machine to achieve it

[primal bolt]

does the mario 64 60fps hack drop framerate below 60 on real hardware?

[latent galleon]

i mean if the PSX core is 100% compatible and bug-free does anybody in the whole world care about nanoseconds of audio timing? and that's kind of the worst of it so far

[azure hatch]

Toasters can run up to 4th generation consoles now damn accurately so I'm not really buying that either. But meh like I said, whatever, most people that wanted a mister have one now so I suppose it's a moot point.

[cold pollen]

Again, not selling anything, just that's the idea

Yeah you don't have to spend much on a PC these days to achieve accuracy

FPGA lets you skip the GPU though and output directly, and with SNAC you can use a light gun on CRT

[latent galleon]

Toasters can run up to 4th generation consoles now damn accurately

except they kind of can't

[cold pollen]

so that's an advantage over PC, you don't need to use hacky workarounds like runahead to lower lag

[latent galleon]

and 100% bug free is 100% the goal of all cores

although this is easily settled

what are the system requirements for nuked-md?

that is a 100% cycle accurate emulation of the same FPGA core we now have

[azure hatch]

That's what's interesting to me. In the last 5 years I never found there to be lag in software unless it was related to a controller I was using wirelessly. I would tell most folks unless you just have money to blow either stick with software on your PC or at one point I might have recommended an raspberry pi but those have gotten kind of pricey now. I just couldn't in any responsible way try to pretend the mister is a better experience right now...some day maybe.

[rich delta]

The one thing about MiSTer that I dont understand is that it seems most people run it on an LCD/OLED. This changes the whole look and feel of the games kind of negating the point of the accuracy (especially with the added latency).

Software emulation it feels is better for those types of displays because of the filters you can apply which now give a pretty accurate CRT look (at least when not in fast motion).

MiSTer and a CRT though is the gold standard outside of original hardware.

[latent galleon]

software emulation is such a slog in comparison, and requires 10-20x the power to get there, and can't get there at all in a lot of cases

@azure hatch do you even own a mister?

[azure hatch]

Yeap for a long time now.

[hexed knot]

That's interesting. I've attempted many tiny box attached to TV, including pis, and I've found the latency to be horrid on most, if not all of them. The MiSTer is the first I've tried that doesn't make me go crazy. But perhaps I'm just more sensitive to it.

[azure hatch]

In fact I just upgraded to the digital board which I find has better sound than it's counter part.

[weary perch]

if someone is perfectly happy with software emulators i don't understand why they'd want to put down hundreds of dollars for a MiSTer anyway

[latent galleon]

so you don't appreciate a tiny box sipping 5W becoming a hardware clone of everything from a 2600 to N64? with no extra cpu requirements, or any requirements at all because it's hardware

[primal bolt]

I have a PC and MiSTer... I always choose MiSTer

[azure hatch]

Really irrelavent to my point earlier, but sure less power consumption is neat.

[primal bolt]

PC is good for stuff not on MiSTer or what MiSTer can't do ffrom hardware limitations

[latent galleon]

not power consumption, that is a symptom not my point

although yes using 5w instead of 200w is nice

well, more like 50-100w being fair

the point is that accuracy costs nothing in FPGA, and costs everything on a CPU

[final knoll]

i can 100% feel that Mister's latency is for me basiclly like i was playing on original hardware in 1990's

The reason for my purchace was exactly this..

[cold pollen]

are you familiar with the scanlines/shadow masks on MiSTer?

[cold pollen]

Playing on a CRT?

[primal bolt]

you cant always get rid of latency on PC. Not all cores on RetroArch support RunAhead and not all emulators are even on RetroArch. Last time I played Saturn emulation on PC the latency made it unplayable, but that was years ago

[cold pollen]

I get it though MiSTer is a chunk of money and for many software emulation has its perks

[latent galleon]

i use a mister because i hate the friction of software, hate the OS running behind everything, hate not being able to pause a game and come back to it tomorrow without leaving a PC running or praying windows sleep works ten times out of ten which it never does for me, hate the endless configuration of separate emulator cores or actual emulators...it is just like wading through molasses compared to fpga

[rich delta]

PC is better for large OLED/LCD displays. Android phone is better for on the go (better displays than iphone for CRT emulation). MiSTer is better for CRTs.

[primal bolt]

true

[nimble needle]

MiSTer is the first time a PS1 emulator has nailed the feeling of Wipeout 2097 for me. I can remember every frame of that game on original hardware.

[latent galleon]

and yes our scaler does stuff a PC really can't, it is like magic

[cold pollen]

yeah this sums up my experience

I was heavy into Big Box for a while but it was just too many steps and ultimately I started going back to just loading stuff from a list

MiSTer is the endgame of that

[primal bolt]

although its apparently easier to hook PC to CRT with DVI analog out on the GPU, which stopped after GTX 900 series

[cold pollen]

@azure hatch hopefully you don't think badly of everyone trying to win you over, we are in the MiSTer server so of course we're going to hype up our passion

But ultimately I've always believed that everyone should have fun the way they want

[rich delta]

Your scaler really can't: https://forums.libretro.com/t/sony-megatron-colour-video-monitor/36109

[latent galleon]

i just honestly feel bad fpga isn't more accessible, because i enjoy pc emulation so little

@rich delta gross.

[nimble needle]

Soft dev in an iterative beast. The work on Mist and Mister will eventually reach cycle accuracy on a future platform. Maybe MARS or something after

[rich delta]

🤣 now youre just being silly

[azure hatch]

I appreciate everyone's enthusiasm for the mister. The guys that do the work on these cores should have a medal or something for what they've achieved. With that being said as I mentioned before you won't find me recommending this to someone unless they just have a lot of money to burn. In comparison the juice just isn't worth squeeze for the average person...or in this case hundreds of dollars. That's the reality whether it sits well with you or not ;)

[crisp monolith]

MiSTer is not for an average person lol

[old iris]

and on analogue devices, such as super nt, nt mini and mega sg, what is the accuracy of the emulation?

[cold pollen]

I will add one other thing, even if one doesn't care to use MiSTer, the drive of the devs to achieve accuracy has resulted in many advances and discoveries that have actually furthered software emulators. Case in point, several of JT's arcade cores, made from decapping, have uncovered things like a bug in Contra and the origin of the starfield background in Strider

[nimble needle]

Understandable. To each their own. I’m happy with the Ps1 core and an instant on device, but I know where your coming from 🙂

[cold pollen]

This is something a lot of us forget, I think

[crisp monolith]

I wouldn't attempt to tell an "average person" I have a MiSTer and what it does, let alone try to sell them on it

[latent galleon]

i really don't understand this cycle accuracy fetish. the old genesis core was cycle accurate, with bugs

[primal bolt]

MiSTer is the best thing you can buy if you play retro games

[latent galleon]

but that cpu was "cycle accurate"

the NES core is pretty much perfect, by any description

[fair stump]

"So the update_all script..."

[latent galleon]

agreed, actually

not even close

[crisp monolith]

I think that person came in to start a fight over whether MiSTer is 100% accurate and it being pointless if it isn't, and it hasn't quite worked out how they hoped.

[shrewd peak]

isn't startropics mapper still busted?

[cold pollen]

I think that's a header issue

is it not?

[shrewd peak]

im not sure to be honest, i thought i read it just isn't supported currently

[old iris]

I repeat, on analogue devices such as super NT, NT mini and mega SG, what is the accuracy of the emulation?

[azure hatch]

No arguments here, just a discussion. I'm as invested as everyone else here on mister. /shrug

[nimble needle]

Nah. They are making the point where MiSTer was billed as cycle accurate everything when it isn’t in all cases. More of video game preservation concern IMO

[wind helm]

I am using Mister connected to my 83 inch 4K OLED, I think it looks fantastic, and what I really like the digital IO board has an SPDIF output so I can connect it to my DAC and it sounds great, I was using Retropie before and the MIster is so much better, not only in terms of "emulation" but I find he Mister to be extremly user friendly and much easier to configure than Retropie, and it already so many great systems running on it, PS1, SNES, NeoGeo, Genesis, they are all fantastic cores, the Saturn core is already quite good, too, it was one of the best pieces of electronics that I ever bought, even though it was a bit difficult to find the DE10 board and other components, but I like how fast it boots and how easy it is to use and how easy it it is to setup and use, fantastic

[primal bolt]

its not difficult to find the DE-10

[latent galleon]

Startropics 1 and 2 work perfect here, they require NES 2.0 headers to function properly.

@shrewd peak

[weary perch]

it's a super niche product, but it very plainly solves real issues that people have. if you don't have those issues in the first place then obviously you aren't going to get too much out of it lol

[wind helm]

in Germany it is I had to order mine from Taiwan this year

[cold pollen]

Good question I'm not sure if there are metrics

[neat sierra]

My toaster doesn’t manage to toast bread evenly, so it definitely can’t Mario. Maybe 3DO

[primal bolt]

if MiSTer is niche, then retro gaming itself is niche

[cold pollen]

But I think MiSTer beats it in all cores, I would imagine in particular the new Genesis core

[shrewd peak]

Oh cool, thanks

[cold pollen]

I think it's fair to say MiSTer is niche within niche

[cold pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-gif-20646855

[primal bolt]

there is a HTGDB NES 2.0 set

[weary perch]

if you don't feel latency in software emulators you can download for free on your PC then yeah. you probably don't need a MiSTer. if you don't have issues not being able to use any controller under the sun on real hardware, you probably don't need a MiSTer. it's definitely niche

[trim seal]

My toaster does de-dithering.

[wind helm]

I thought the emulation was very good on Retropie

[latent galleon]

it is weird how people don't get it...robert and srg320 are trying to squeeze ten lbs of shit into a nine lb bag, but for every other core accuracy costs nothing, because it is hardware

[primal bolt]

Not feeling latency doesn't mean you don't need something better. That is like saying you don't need to crap in a toilet when you can do it on the sidewalk

[hexed knot]

An analogy and a good idea all in one.

[weary perch]

that's a weird angle haha. it would follow if MiSTer was free and downloadable on your PC

[primal bolt]

lol

[rich delta]

But what is the point if you're going to use an OLED or LCD to display it? On mister itll make it look so bad that youve lost a lot of the accuracy benefits. I constantly swap between my PC with QD-OLED and my MiSTer with PVM (QD-OLED is big and in the front room so its a different experience from my 27" PVM that I absolutely love in the back room)

[primal bolt]

well for example, lets say someone loves NES and they are playing Mike Tyson's Punch-Out emulated on their laptop and they can't beat Mike Tyson because of latency and they dont know that is the reason, because they don't know what latency is.

and they dont notice

[crisp monolith]

Why would it look bad? I use mine on a big OLED all the time

[cold pollen]

This is literally subjective though

[crisp monolith]

With HDR and some filters it looks amazing

[latent galleon]

@rich delta so you think mister looks like shit on an OLED? because that is kind of the whole point of the project

[wind helm]

I think it looks fantastcic on my OLED

[trim seal]

STOP HAVING FUN INCORRECTLY

[cold pollen]

damn sorry, I'll try!

[latent galleon]

i literally have my gaming pc and mister on my living room C1

[crisp monolith]

What I love about mine is having it connected to a CRT and OLED and the same time and being able to easily use either depending on what I'm doing. It rules.

[wind helm]

one day there won't be any CRTs

[latent galleon]

and god those cartoonish crt emulations make me sad

[cold pollen]

This chat for like a half hour

[fair stump]

So...how's n64 testing going everyone?

[latent galleon]

at least robert isn't around

[cold pollen]

YOU MAKE ME SAD

[crisp monolith]

A accuracy aside, it's cool having new things added over time and seeing cores improve and learning weird things about them as things develop.

[primal bolt]

Why are we even having this discussion

[fair stump]

At this point discussion should move elsewhere

[latent galleon]

at this point i feel like we are being trolled

[crisp monolith]

Yeah I could have all these platforms and more right now with an emulation device, but who cares? Can't play all these old games anyway, there are too many of them

[primal bolt]

I'm blaming Dinierto for karma

[azure hatch]

I loved my sony trinitron, but the day I was able to give up that big arse heavy mofo for an LCD my back was in heaven. Gravity forced me to give it up....

[cold pollen]

Get in line

[trim seal]

I play emulators on a PC because I like the convenience in certain rooms, I play some on my Analogue Pocket because damn that screen, I play some on my Anbernic because portable dreamcast, and I play games on my MiSTer because I'm an engineer who likes tinkering, the nostalgia of the accuracy, and playing with machines that I either never had or would otherwise never get to play with. They're all fun.

[cold pollen]

Damn that N64 core is amazing, folks

[fair stump]

We need robby to break it up

[rose elbow]

🚓

[azure hatch]

That screen is wicked good.

[cold pollen]

yeah bans all around

[primal bolt]

Dear Robby, Chibi master of fat babies, where art thou

[neat sierra]

I’m a CRT lover and own tons of tubes but even I’d never claim mister doesn’t look great on an oled. It objectively does

[latent galleon]

robby got himself a mojito or three today

[cold pollen]

"looks" are literally subjective by nature lol

[rose elbow]

alright break it up, break it up, take it outside (to general)

[primal bolt]

FOOD FIIIIIIIGGGHHHHT!!!!!

[trim seal]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-house-foodfight-gif-5351508

[rich delta]

Basically yes. Until mister can run some decent shaders or you splash out on a retrotink 5x that can then add custom shaders you're looking at something very different to what a CRT displays. Only PC or android phone at the moment gets close to mimicking a CRT.

[latent galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[nimble needle]

Only had a ps1 that gen. Been a treat digging into this. For years I used to think Mario 64 controlled like shit till I tried it on MiSTer with fixed analogue ranges.

[trim seal]

Oh, and I play on original consoles because there's something sentimental and romantic about using the original hardware.

[nimble needle]

Robert deserves a pint from all of us ❤️

[latent galleon]

he gets one every month from me

[nimble needle]

Me too ha

[cold pollen]

I'm excited at being able to dive into N64 and Saturn

[trim seal]

Same

[latent galleon]

assuming pints are very cheap in germany

[cold pollen]

these cores will be a good excuse

[final knoll]

yeah i really wanna check out sega rally on Saturn.. its my fav game in the arcades...

[cold pollen]

let's not get carried away

[trim seal]

Ich möchte eine Flasche Guinness, bitte

[latent galleon]

he really is a 10x fpga dev who should be off making half a million a year contracting for super secret projects but we are lucky to have him

[primal bolt]

Also try SEGA Rally 3 on TeknoParrot

with Logitech Wheel

[neat sierra]

Yeah he’s wasting his talent on us dumb dumbs

[brisk drum]

Someone please patch the tlb out of castlevania 64

[primal bolt]

lol

just wait a month

[azure hatch]

I think it's only required at boot iirc

[brisk drum]

No I want it for Halloween !

[primal bolt]

we might have TLB by halloween

[cold pollen]

Someone please patch the tlb entire game out of castlevania 64

[brisk drum]

Can you do it ?

[final knoll]

currently have a massive grin on my face watchin a YT video of this .. thak you 🙂

[neat sierra]

Someone patch history so castlevania 64 was never made

[brisk drum]

Shut up Doyle!

[neat sierra]

GOTEM

[brisk drum]

Only the uncultured hate on Castlevania 64

It’s not jank ..

It’s just a very particular game

[chilly ember]

Castlevania 64 patch

[brisk drum]

I love bloodlines

[primal bolt]

Nintendd

[cold pollen]

I love all the real normal castlevanias but can't beat a single one of them lol

[latent galleon]

i've never played bloodlines

[rose elbow]

same

[brisk drum]

If you can’t beat bloodlines in expert mode you can’t call yourself a castlevania fan

[primal bolt]

Bloodlines is amazing

[eternal ravine]

Easy output of both analog and digital A/V is a big one

[latent galleon]

ok i just realized that was uninteresting without saying i've finished every other castlevania up to bloodstained

[brisk drum]

Hardcorps but the Japanese version

[dusty tusk]

How the heck do I get widescreen to work?

[latent galleon]

i really have a hard time with the genesis color palette

[primal bolt]

I agree with Wasabi

[rose elbow]

ohh i think Hard Corps being the better one was the common concensus

[cold pollen]

Hey you, I got patches for Contra 2, 3, and Hard Corps that let you use the extra lives codes on US and it makes them way more playable

[cold pollen]

Hard Corps is an absolutely absurd game

It's cool but the difficulty is just.... ludicrous

[brisk drum]

Thanks but I already got those

[primal bolt]

Bloodlines is definitely cooler than Super Castlevania IV

[cold pollen]

uh... hold on... nope not any more

I mean no

[eternal ravine]

Too bad Konami fumbled so hard with the Genesis TMNT fighting game
Whereas the SNES one is really good

[brisk drum]

I don’t know about that …

[primal bolt]

its a real taco vs taco bell

[brisk drum]

Super castlevania iv has some of the best music of the entire series

[primal bolt]

bloodlines music is better

[latent galleon]

but genesis has best music of all time

[brisk drum]

And some of the mode 7 backdrops still look cool af

[primal bolt]

mode 7 shmode 7

[brisk drum]

Yeah no thanks

[primal bolt]

the only negative thing about bloodlines could be considered the robot stuff

[brisk drum]

Super castlevania IV also has better bosses

[rose elbow]

its funny that Castlevania 4 got the 4 in the title when it feels more like a weird offshoot spinoff. Rondo is the real CV4

[brisk drum]

Si

[rose elbow]

"Super Castlevania"

[brisk drum]

Some of the bosses in bloodlines look like something out of a treasure game

[primal bolt]

but other than that the game is phenomenal in every aspect

[brisk drum]

But yeah rondo without a doubt is the best in the entire series and top three contender for best game of all time

[primal bolt]

its bette than castlevania 4 thats for sure

[latent galleon]

i'd put rondo at the top too i think

[eternal ravine]

@rose elbow
Same with Super GnG on SNES
Weird game with double jump and no up/down fire
Plus meh bosses