that sounds great, but sorry, i don't get the help text 😅
#Nintendo 64
wanton sun
night saddle
heres the full copy/paste from the ini
; When attempting to access the OSD players will be prompted for an unlock code.
; U = Up, D = Down, L = Left, R = Right, A = Select, B = Back
; Setting osd_lock to DUUUD would require entering the sequence Down, Up, Up, Up, Down
;osd_lock=DUUUD
; If osd_lock is enabled, allow the OSD to be opened without entering the unlock
; code if less than osd_lock_time seconds have passed since the OSD was closed.
; set to 0 for manual lock from OSD
osd_lock_time=5```last addition here: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/MiSTer.ini
wanton sun
thank you! will try it
night saddle
so wont prevent the button from working entirely, but will keep the osd from getting spammed inputs due to the code needing to be entered
orchid nimbus
it's actually a good idea to only let the controller that opened the OSD control the OSD
wanton sun
it works 🙂
yes, would be better to have that, it often happens that the other player presses a button, e.g. when opening for autosave
but at least in our case today here, it would not have helped much. If you have a game were fast pushes of A are required, it doesn't matter
but the lock helps for sure
drowsy lantern
Speaking of the OSD, is it possible to fix the issue where button presses and joystick direction is being "held" while the OSD is open?
sacred valley
Was a few updates behind and just tried the new release out; the high res games are looking great on CRT now. Overall it really feels like playing N64 🙂
drowsy lantern
Like if you're holding the joystick forward and open the OSD, often your character will keep walking to its death on its own.
quick arch
Rogue Squadron start screen !
topaz otter
THE Y WING IS THE WORKHORSE OF THE REBEL FLEET
thorn flax
small rant.
I don't know about some folks here, but does it seem a bit boreish to interrupt the guy currently building the core, to stop what he's doing to address the most arbitrary of non-problems?
like, hit the pause button before bringing up the osd
modern sleet
Rogue Squadron start screen !
Real console confirmed screen sizes squeezed from Banjo to Mario. @wanton sun All good here 🙂 Just ran a check with real hardware.
With the Tink5x
daring meteor
small rant.
I don't know about some folks here, but does it seem a bit boreish ...
You should look again at who bought it up hahahaha
cerulean elk
Rogue Squadron start screen !
I have that in the vid at 4
native mesa
small rant.
I don't know about some folks here, but does it seem a bit boreish ...
It was a problem he encountered with his kids lol
quick arch
Real console confirmed screen sizes squeezed from Banjo to Mario. <@640641777610...
thanks for the test 🙂
thorn flax
You should look again at who bought it up hahahaha
all I see is a rando, unless you mean for me to scroll a bit further
quick arch
I have that in the vid at 4
Sorry I don't see all your video 😅
lament escarp
all I see is a rando, unless you mean for me to scroll a bit further
This is parody 🤣
cerulean elk
Sorry I don't see all your video 😅
No I meant I put it in because of the improvements for people to see today later
dusty tusk
I swear someone made a kiosk /kid's mode for mister. Wizzo maybe?
wanton sun
Real console confirmed screen sizes squeezed from Banjo to Mario. <@640641777610...
so the image size is correct for both and it's just not properly centered?
modern sleet
so the image size is correct for both and it's just not properly centered?
Let me have a further look, MiSTer's image looks more square (For Banjo), Mister Image on the left, real console right.
But I have to head back to work
wanton sun
i think it's ok for now. with the async output in place and correct aspect ratio, we can still do the full compare. Thank you
modern sleet
Oh yeah, these are small details compared to all the other magic you're doing 🙂
vapid hawk
it might help if the OSD didn't work instantly when you pressed the OSD button, but maybe you had to hold it for half a second
oops was scrolled up
pulsar topaz
I picked up an official switch N64 controller but it don’t work with the latest core
lament escarp
I picked up an official switch N64 controller but it don’t work with the latest ...
Try the latest drivers, #unstable-nightlies message
pulsar topaz
I don’t have access it says
lament escarp
You have to sign up in channels & roles for test builds.
pulsar topaz
I’m a discord novice, how do I do that sorry
lament escarp
In the list with all the channels there is a thing on top that says channels&roles
pulsar topaz
I’m on the phone and I don’t get that option
chrome quest
I can see it here on mobile.... no ideas other than to say it's generally possible, sorry
lament escarp
For the controller itself you need the driver I linked earlier for rumble etc. Also check #1096015979055697940 message for a faq.
drowsy lantern
After a whole day of using them, I can wholly recommend the Saffun N64 wireless controllers. They are excellent. Feel like originals, no latency (that I can feel), strong rumble. Absolutely no complaints. Will be buying a few more to have a stash of them for years to come. Much cheaper than NSO controllers, and easier to obtain.
lament escarp
I assume it also doesn't have the pairing issues of the 8bitdo modkit?
chilly ember
I might get a couple for player 3 and 4 since people have good things to say
pulsar topaz
I grabbed the zlmage_dtb_unstable but it’s not an rbf file
drowsy lantern
I assume it also doesn't have the pairing issues of the 8bitdo modkit?
No pairing issues whatsoever.
pulsar topaz
Thanks everyone for your help by the way 🙂
lament escarp
I grabbed the zlmage_dtb_unstable but it’s not an rbf file
That goes to replace the file with the same name in the linux folder
pulsar topaz
Ahhhh ok let me try that
lament escarp
Don't forget to cold reboot afterwards if you're using ftp
pulsar topaz
I’m just getting the static screen now, no menu
lament escarp
Are you using filezilla?
crisp monolith
How do I get saving to work in no face patched Mario 64?
lament escarp
If you have the db and latest unstable it should configure itself automatically when loading the game. Also you need to turn autosave on and go into the manu to save to sd cart as with any other core.
orchid nimbus
they're here!!!
manic basin
they're here!!!
This house....is clean
orchid nimbus
also vaseline lens 😄
manic basin
My second favorite Zelda.
quaint pewter
and obviously the best one we can't play on mister (yet)
orchid nimbus
(sorry I remove gifs after a while - so the conversation above might seem weird)
pulsar topaz
Thanks it’s working
orchid nimbus
and obviously the best one we can't play on mister (yet)
I was a Philips fan - but god that was cringe to the max
quaint pewter
Sorry if I gave you PTSD flashbacks.
orchid nimbus
nah -I never had a CDi since I felt that altough it was a step up from the P2000 it was not something I wanted
topaz otter
and obviously the best one we can't play on mister (yet)
Gifs you can hear
orchid nimbus
lament escarp
Legend of beavis is the only true link
orchid nimbus
mortal panther
A DJ favorite!
daring meteor
lmao
mortal panther
Extremely rare!
orchid nimbus
VideoPac/P2000/MSX/PC/CDi
the revolution of philips back in the day
they lacked vision
pulsar topaz
@lament escarp I take it that it only works wired
lament escarp
No, you can use a normal blue tooth usb adapter to use it wirelessly
worn delta
Ah, I forgot about P 2000, nobody has done a core for that one have they?
orchid nimbus
nope not to my knowledge
worn delta
Looks like we have all the parts for it, may be a straightforward core for someone wanting to do another Z80 microcomputer
prisma ivy
Feels like if I don't check this channel at least every 6 hours I am missing something
lament escarp
Because you are 😋
quaint pewter
prisma ivy
Such as this. MK Trilogy was one of my faves back in the day
I really need to update. I am two builds behind I think
languid dune
Sadly MK Trilogy still has some issues with odd glitchy sprites and occasional crashing.
MK4 is in a much better state.
weary palm
When did the DK rap stop to desync?
cerulean elk
vid is loose
prisma ivy
MK4 is in a much better state.
Of the two of them to be in better shape.. ugh lol
I think I'd rather play MK Mythologies
wind helm
Do you think support for the DD64 will be implemented one day?
languid dune
Anything is possible at this point.
prisma ivy
Do you think support for the DD64 will be implemented one day?
It would be super rad to be able to play Sim City 64
wind helm
I agree Geiger9
languid dune
But let's wait and see how the base hardware goes first!
deft tree
Nice... https://x.com/Kajoq/status/1709286776622178387?s=20
⛓️ 🪝
wind helm
I am not even sure DD64 is supported by emulation
prisma ivy
I'm certainly not gonna lose sleep over DD64. I haven't even played Wonder Project J2 yet
Has anyone tried it? Does it run?
wind helm
Yes I have
languid dune
WP J2 does indeed run.
wind helm
It’s perfect in my opinion
languid dune
Looks great from what I tried of it.
prisma ivy
Excellent
languid dune
I need to play the first game on SNES before that one though.
Well, I don't neeeed to play the first game first. But I must!
prisma ivy
DD64 might be cool for romhacks that use it.
MSU1 for that golf game 😂
wind helm
It is one of the first N64 games that I tried on the core because I am very interested too
languid dune
MSU1 for N64 games could be amazing though. There are so many games that could benefit from it.
prisma ivy
Aw man this game was supposed to be for 64DD and was cancelled. How will we ever go on
brisk edge
That's the one with the modem built into the cart isn't it?
prisma ivy
According to Wiki, yes
Ha apparently peopled use it to exploit the system and run homebrew. Excellent
brisk edge
That's pretty cool, I should look into that
I'm very fascinated by this era of online console games, kinda surprising they worked at all
wind helm
Having a modem built into a cartridge is pretty ingenious
elfin relic
gotta be able to play shogi with people online
brisk edge
I also have to imagine it probably wasn't cheap, have to wonder how the deals looked behind closed doors lol like I imagine shogi games have a fan base but was it really gonna sell well enough to cover the manufacturing costs?
elfin relic
I dunno, just flipping around channels every so often there's a televisied shogi game
maybe people are super serial about it
prisma ivy
I feel like Super Mario RPG would have been cool to have on N64
brisk edge
I know the launch game that was shogi bombed hard sales wise
Mario and Pilot Wings outsold it a lot
wind helm
Which was to be expected
brisk edge
It even featured a famous player, but yeah, it just littered game stores for a long time lol
Still need to buy a copy for the hell of it myself
elfin relic
there's a copy up morita shogi 64 up on yaj for 400 yen 'buy it now' heh
whatever it cost at launch, it did not retain value
brisk edge
Just like sports games
Unless you're that weird semi cancelled PS3/360 basketball game, that thing sells for thousands
tepid gorge
Does anyone else have an Asus BT500? Does it require any setup before use? It connects to my Brawler64 but won’t accept any inputs
Not even when trying to bind joystick buttons
native mesa
Is it in xinput mode?
tepid gorge
Yeah I tried both X and D
It’s working with other controllers so it’s definitely just something with this controller
native mesa
Damn I'd check to see if it has a firmware update or something
quasi storm
Does anyone else have an Asus BT500? Does it require any setup before use? It co...
Not sure if you tried this already, but press the sync and... either A or B. Whichever makes the middle lights flash. THAT is pairing mode, not the "Hold the sync button" direction the instructions give you.
primal bolt
lol bummer
kind nimbus
If anyone has got rumble to work with a Tribute64 holla, cuz I cant figure it out
austere parcel
Pretty sure the tribute 64 I got a few weeks ago just has a busted rumble from the get go because it doesn't work on my MiSTer, a real N64 (with the proper switch on), nor the Switch which I believe is supposed to
cerulean elk
Aw man this game was supposed to be for 64DD and was cancelled. How will we ever...
Talk about a system seller
sly wasp
The reason they put it (gamma dither/add noise) into the N64 was most llikely to emulate Hollywood (blockbuster movies) looks. In big budget movies they always use film stock that can have different random noise depending on the type of film you use. It gives a vintage or gritty look and can add texture and depth making the image feel less "clean" and more realistic or emotional. that's why when the N64 came out it was (and still is) commonly used in graphic design, photography and film to achieve a particular mood or style. Might be worth putting in (if there's available resources) to complete the authentic N64 look.
chrome quest
With todays core, are there still any regressions of games no longer playable that had been previously?
I've just found 1 of the whole 4 EU exclusives is no longer playable "F1 Racing Championship".
Last tested "N64_20230911" though, so could be anything in this games case
ocean lily
dithering seems way more apparent than it did with 20230925
weary palm
After a whole day of using them, I can wholly recommend the Saffun N64 wireless ...
The fact that is doesn't reach the octagonal restrictor gate and feels like a circular gate is kind of a deal breaker to me.
weary palm
dithering seems *way* more apparent than it did with 20230925
maybe it's just sharper
weary perch
the wireless Saffun 2.4GHz N64 pad is serviceable but i also don't think it's a *particularly *great pad. the gate is cosmetic as yxkalle noted above. the rumble is very loud (whole controller kind of rattles), the buttons are significantly stiffer than an OEM N64 pad, stick isn't anything special. i still like it but would definitely note some of the drawbacks before recommending
cerulean elk
The reason they put it (gamma dither/add noise) into the N64 was most llikely to...
Probably. They used to scan film stocks to create grain patterns. At different ASAs and daylight/tungsten stocks. Negative and reversal. All to get those silver crystals dancing on digital images
weary beacon
Is vertical integer scale not an option yet?
prisma ivy
the wireless Saffun 2.4GHz N64 pad is serviceable but i also don't think it's a ...
As someone who isn't terribly familiar with using an N64 controller, I'm finding it great.
I can appreciate though that someone who is very used to OG hardware will pick up on discrepancies
mellow raft
Guys I don't recommend trying Yoshi's story with the latest MiSTer main
(And by that I mean do try it)
xD
prisma ivy
I am 38 and who is Yoshi
mellow raft
It's perfect
Trust me I hear you. It was one of 3 games I had as a young child
It was hard af
prisma ivy
There were Yoshi games beyond SMW2: Yoshi's Island? 😛
mellow raft
Also god Yoshi is annoying lmao
tepid gorge
Of all the Yoshi games it’s the one I got most into
prisma ivy
Some madlad/madlass has to take the engine for Mischief Makers and make a proper sequel for Yoshi's Island
Lol I am imagining a bazooka style light gun for N64 now
And a Conker light gun game with swearing.
mellow raft
cerulean elk
I personally dislike it more than any other processing feature but that’s because it just looks like a poor implementation of silver crystal randomness. But I know I am a big minority here
topaz otter
Treasure unironically made a platforming masterpiece with this game
then again when has Treasure ever made a bad game
mellow raft
I'm aware haha
Seems that the downloader fails to download the N64 Database
@orchid nimbus did you change the link?
not sure if it downloads from your site
Commit: 08fc37e
Log: /media/fat/Scripts/.config/downloader/downloader.log
Installed:
none.
Errors:
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Processing config 'base_path:/media/fat;downloader_threads_limit:20;downloader_timeout:900;downloader_retries:6;'...
/media/usb0
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Loading db from url: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mrchrisster/MiSTer_SAM/db/db.json.zip
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orchid nimbus
<@249191195136360448> did you change the link?
Not my updater
cold pollen
I am 38 and who is Yoshi
Full name: Yokai Shiitake
Sacrificial reptile from Super Mario World
cold pollen
There were Yoshi games beyond SMW2: Yoshi's Island? 😛
No.
Definitely not any where he has a weird asthmatic grunt when he hovers in the air
That was forever after used for the character for some horrific reason
cold pollen
Not my updater
#notmyupdater
orchid nimbus
Mine still works 😉
worn delta
Anyone else at their MiSTer with the N64 database enabled able to run update script and see if they get the same error?
worn delta
Not sure what all these tmp nonsense is but it happens every time
Maybe one for @whole tulip to have a look at
topaz otter
Probably called a "hidden gem" now
the genesis had a lot of those types of games
eternal ravine
Gen/MD is my fave console
topaz otter
they weren't mediocre but they weren't great
eternal ravine
Wish I had a full set of CIB Mega Drive games
So pretty
eternal ravine
I do have the very first version of the MD tho
In Super nice condition
OK, sorry for the derail
(coolest console box art)
OK, I guess N64 is kind of cool also
fair stump
Anyone else at their MiSTer with the N64 database enabled able to run update scr...
I was helping a person go through the setup process a couple days ago and the updater failed for them. They didn't tell me the error at the time so I told them to keep an eye out next time. They didn't have a database file after that so I gave them my copy
So I think it may be worth somebody checking into it
weary beacon
looks like it worked
woeful beacon
@weary palm saint
I would pin this, mods
but not sure if you are allowed to pin an .exe
native mesa
It's linked in vampire.net/N64 I think
eternal ravine
Ugh the Banjo Kazooie musical intro is looping in my brain
I knew this would happen
woeful beacon
I knew this would happen
Time for a new 🧠
eternal ravine
N64 sound is better than I recall, though some games sound low-budge
native mesa
All those ones sampling roland sound canvas
chilly ember
Ugh the Banjo Kazooie musical intro is looping in my brain
Could be worse, could be the dk rap
Dk rap's been stuck in my head all day
trim seal
I have 5yo daughter. Believe me, there are worse songs to have stuck in your head.
zealous hull
As an uncle I have learned a lot of Blippi songs.
paper orchid
then again when has Treasure ever made a bad game
Late to this, but: Advance Guardian Heroes
thorn flax
insane take
paper orchid
That game has real technical issues, which makes it feel like Treasure didn't have a grasp of the GBA at that point in time
(it's also not well-localized)
woeful beacon
btw NSO N64 controller passes the Mike Tyson test with flying colors @cerulean elk
okay actually
maybe either im tired or there is some consistency issues
woeful beacon
hmmm
damn yeah there might be some consistency issues
that is such a shame
I know this is not an N64 game
but this is in service of doing "real world" tests with the NSO N64 controller and the current drivers
first knockout doesnt count, I got juked
the other 2 seemed like it was the controller
it could also just be general familiarity with this dpad on the quick dodging but the second one where all I had to do was tap left, that was spooky, thats not ... thats not good
might be fine for N64 games tho
its obviously on the fringe
will test more when less tired but yeah oof
eternal ravine
How did N64 not get a Punch Out!
woeful beacon
How did N64 not get a Punch Out!
wahtchu mean dawg
eternal ravine
Why so weak
woeful beacon
lmao
neat sierra
It’s authentic see the little N’s in the corner
woeful beacon
It’s authentic see the little N’s in the corner
xactly
cerulean elk
btw NSO N64 controller passes the Mike Tyson test with flying colors <@484201598...
So it didn’t get its ear bitten off?
fair stump
Stunt Racer 64 has been marked as only boots for a while and needing TLB but it actually appears to be fully playable with some flashing texture issues
chilly ember
Nice, always happy to see more games getting in game. Still need try today's core out myself
little socket
So saturn 3d controller for n64, yes or no?
rose elbow
recent VGE vijd showed Rogue Squadron in action. that's another i completely missed was updated to being playable
rose elbow
So saturn 3d controller for n64, yes or no?
how are you suggesting?
little socket
I don't know
rose elbow
does daemonbite for example work with the 3D Controller?
little socket
Huh, must have been a buffered reply
I assume a simple saturn to usb adapter for example
rose elbow
would be fun to test. the saturn core got me thinking about the 3D controller. joystick + 6 button is such a unique layout. i dont have the controller so i'd need to get one.. would need to get an adapter.. kind of cant be bothered personally but .. maybe one day 👀
only has L and R tho, no 3rd button for Z 🚫
probably still able to work around that limitation actually with most games
chilly ember
Most games don't even use L for anything anyways so it wouldn't be a complete deal breaker.
Reminds me the xbox duke lol, wonder how well that would work
orchid nimbus
For those who haven’t seen it - a preview for October 4th release
night silo
what is being added? what's the term for this effect?
dedither 🙂
rose elbow
wasn't sure if dedither was the actual term or just discord shorthand, awesome awesome!!!! i'm so excited for this hahahahaha
massive update
night silo
Right there with you, looks so good!
orchid nimbus
what is being added? what's the term for this effect?
De-dither
So 1st one is banding - dither as it is now - de-dither
zinc dew
For those who haven’t seen it - a preview for October 4th release
Thanks for sharing, looks awesome!
zinc dew
It’s looking like the ole jaloppy more and more everyday
eternal ravine
Don't forget all the CRT-related effects on top of that
night silo
wait what the heck is my 2nd role when did this happen and what does it mean
rose elbow
Professor C-Down
eternal ravine
You're the man now, dawg
zealous hull
It's not uncommon for N64 games to lose sound for--like--half a second, right?
zinc dew
wait what the heck is my 2nd role when did this happen and what does it mean
Oh no, you’ve been marked
night silo
Oh no, you’ve been *marked*
lolll did you do this to me???
zealous hull
I feel like I've played N64 with subpar emulation half my life at this point, can't remember what to expect as far as audio is concerned.
zinc dew
lolll did you do this to me???
No, I forgot what it means. Something to do with a discord bot? Want me to remove it?
The caaaaaarl thing right?
night silo
No, I forgot what it means. Something to do with a discord bot? Want me to remov...
No I kinda like it
night silo
The caaaaaarl thing right?
Yeah lol
zinc dew
Ok! 🍻
stuck summit
Looks perfect now. This is what I've been waiting for before I started playing some games for fun
inner garden
half venture
I assume it also doesn't have the pairing issues of the 8bitdo modkit?
the 8bitdo modkit is no good? are you using bluetooth dongle or the 8bitdo one?
chilly ember
Direct mode on 8bitdo kit doesn't have pairing issues
orchid nimbus
worldly quartz
On the core options for blurring and stuff, these also affect software side blurring?
vapid hawk
weird one in rayman, had played about an hour when suddenly this happened, whole screen went black except that splotch which used to be rayman
worldly quartz
Or will we still need separate cheats and patches for those?
chilly ember
Goldeneye? Lol
prisma ivy
I have 5yo daughter. Believe me, there are worse songs to have stuck in your hea...
Gabby's Dollhouse?
trim seal
Oh yeah, Spa Science fomr Mer-cat is one earwom.
But no - she's hooked on "Cupid" by Fifty Fifty. So she's into K-pop, which I don't mind so much, but that particular song is INSIDIOUS.
calm knoll
Nintendo Ultra 64
woeful beacon
So it didn’t get its ear bitten off?
No keep reading lol not perfect
Unflying colors
:/ need to play more Tomorrow with fresh brain
But I think there is consistency issues
marble cargo
weird one in rayman, had played about an hour when suddenly this happened, whole...
Did it happen when Rayman reached the end of a water slide segment and tried to transition into that small cutscene?
Because that happened to me earlier.
vapid hawk
i had backtracked to the second level
don't think i was coming off a waterslide there though
prisma ivy
How did N64 not get a Punch Out!
I wonder a lot lately about games that didn't show up on N64. STAR TROPICS SIXTY FOUUUUURRR
marble cargo
I think Rayman 2 has an issue with those transitional cutscenes between areas breaking the game, like the game is trying to pull an instruction that doesn't exist.
vapid hawk
it doesn't seem consistent in any case
marble cargo
I might try again, assuming it might just be a fluke.
prisma ivy
Oh yeah, Spa Science fomr Mer-cat is one earwom.
I joke though. Gabby got some ear worm music
vapid hawk
yeah like, i've completed the level it crashed on before
i was going back to find more lums
trim seal
I joke though. Gabby got some ear worm music
Truth
zinc dew
why are British composters so good at composing rap
DK64 and Buck Bumble, modern classics
vapid hawk
composters 😄
zinc dew
lmao 
prisma ivy
What games do y'all think deserved an N64 sequel
vapid hawk
super metroid
prisma ivy
2.5D like Mischief Makers though
quaint rune
Wasn’t that fusion ?
vapid hawk
i think by the time fusion came out n64 was basically over
fusion has link features with gamecube even doesnt it?
zinc dew
What games do y'all think deserved an N64 sequel
Final Fantasy 
zinc dew
fusion has link features with gamecube even doesnt it?
Yeah you get the fusion suit and can unlock the nes Metroid
Is cool
prisma ivy
Final Fantasy <:elmorise:862320827687763989>
Remember that tech demo
quaint rune
Oh wait I see what you mean now. A sequel onto n64. Oh yeah. There’s two different people making two different Metroid homebrews for 64 though. One looks really cool
marble cargo
Okay so the game didn't crash for me this time, so I'm going to assume it was just a random crash.
zinc dew
Remember that tech demo
Yeah, it was neat
vapid hawk
i'd of loved either like a 2.5D bonanza that really like apex's that style, or else a proto metroid-prime
prisma ivy
There was supposed to be Mother 3 on N64
zinc dew
Plok!
rose elbow
thats one where, having seen the screenshots of Mother 3 on 64 + having played the GBA version... i'm kinda glad it got cancelled and built up from scratch in 2D aha
prisma ivy
Mother 64 would have been the best RPG on the system. Even better than Brians Quest
rose elbow
its hard to imagine they were making the best game ever when they decided to cancel it aha
prisma ivy
thats one where, having seen the screenshots of Mother 3 on 64 + having played t...
I am very happy with GBA Mother 3 yeah
prisma ivy
its hard to imagine they were making the best game ever when they decided to can...
Lol I hear ya but I was making a commentary on the quality of RPGs on the 64
rose elbow
its almost like "fantasy" had a lull in the n64 era
elfin relic
fantasy was finally reserved for psx
rose elbow
Ocarina of Time is pretty close to being just a straight fantasy but even that has a few instances of them trying to modernize and put twists on traditional ideas.. The Great fairies comes to mind as like.. How did they land on that design loool
prisma ivy
Oh god Bill Lambiers Combat Basketball 64
rose elbow
Arch Rivals is my favourite 'Combat Basketball' game 😂
zinc dew
https://x.com/LutoAkino/status/1684917522494103552?s=20
Looks amazing but it’s in Unity. Which explains the 60fps lol.
quaint rune
😦 wha
rose elbow
altho i guess Arch Rivals more or less just became NBA Jam so i guess that kinda has a sequel on the Nintendo 64 :)
quaint rune
Sorry Robby. I remember reading some news about this months ago and I guess i didn’t notice or maybe I forgot. There’s some genuine nice psx and n64 home brew games but I also forget that there’s the people who go for that look but it doesn’t run on the hardware.
zinc dew
Sorry Robby. I remember reading some news about this months ago and I guess i di...
Oh no problem at all. Looks like an N64 and it’s called Metroid 64. I thought it was too!
quaint rune
No you’re being too nice. It’s okay I was wrong. You must punish me! AND KILL ME
in minecraft
languid dune
For those who haven’t seen it - a preview for October 4th release
This is the one I've been waiting for. Really starts to look like N64 with all these features implemented!
languid dune
No you’re being too nice. It’s okay I was wrong. You must punish me! AND KILL ME
Punished DeliPancakez sounds like a Dark Souls boss.
quaint rune
Haven’t played that. Whenever I hear the punished stuff it makes me think of mgsv and imagine that person with an eyepatch and scars 😂
hollow orbit
Given the frame rate of most n64 games I feel like up to 67ms latency would be imperceptible
half venture
Direct mode on 8bitdo kit doesn't have pairing issues
is that the D-input mode? Any clue if the rumble pack work with the core?
chilly ember
Yea D-input, rumble works with switch mode apparently but I never had any luck with it but it's been a couple weeks since i tried
Switch mode has the pairing issues. Have to pair it everytime but direct mode doesn't have that issue
lament escarp
the 8bitdo modkit is no good? are you using bluetooth dongle or the 8bitdo one?
Bt dongle, it's not compatible with a 8bitdo dongle.
wise hemlock
It was discovered that the PC always had lens flare, the file was in a wrong folder on the final ISO, simple drag and drop fixes it.
zenith orchid
Dedither and AA are probably the last two pieces that'll make the biggest difference. It's really exciting!
wise hemlock
I agree, this CORE has made my year
orchid nimbus
my FAQ now starts with a Quote from FGPAZumSpass followed by XX days till x-mas and screenshots of the core running
wise hemlock
You can remove that days to christmas non-sense lol
wise hemlock
I'll let it slide on this occasion, as you maintain a good space
orchid nimbus
I asked him if I had to remove it - he thought it was funny
wise hemlock
Don't you have to call is Xmas these days so not to offend the masses
wise hemlock
You will be when the Yule pitchforks are coming for ya
or you are beaten with a candy cane
orchid nimbus
I'm safe here in this liberal bastion called California from those 😄
wise hemlock
Well you are nearly in hell there, so escape the wrath somewhat
lament escarp
I asked him if I had to remove it - he thought it was funny
It is funny.
orchid nimbus
Well you are nearly in hell there, so escape the wrath somewhat
amen to that one 😄
as soon as I can get out here I'm gone to another state with more sanity
wise hemlock
Texas
wise hemlock
cows will kill you, while you sit quietly on your laptop
lament escarp
Yeah man cows are no joke.
orchid nimbus
cows are harmles
wise hemlock
That is my dogs centiments when he sees a Horse on TV
orchid nimbus
gives @wise hemlock more red pills
wise hemlock
I don't need anymore Red Pills, I cannot get back out of that rabbit hole
The Matrix has me...
wise hemlock
6 15 am here
lament escarp
7 15 here. Should go to work but don't wanna.
wise hemlock
I grant you working from home status
You may lose your job, that is nothing todo with me though
lament escarp
Worth it.
wise hemlock
When Vamps falls asleep he counts COWS not Sheep
lament escarp
We have a saying around here, the girls are just as pretty as the cows.
wise hemlock
We call ugly girls swamp donkeys
lament escarp
That's mean
orchid nimbus
When Vamps falls asleep he counts COWS not Sheep
I count calls with india that could have been a email
take me down to the paradise city where the girls are green and the grass is pretty
wise hemlock
They still trying to sell you that lifetime virus package
How else did they get to the moon
lament escarp
At least they landed there and didn't crash like someone else.
wise hemlock
The COW jumped over the moon, hey diddle diddle
I landed on the Sun in a previous life
not my crowning past life granted
lament escarp
Yeah I saw that rick & morty episode
weary palm
versed cairn
Cool, is there a patch or GitHub to try it out?
zealous hull
weary palm
Cool, is there a patch or GitHub to try it out?
Nope, at least not yet.
versed cairn
https://github.com/n64decomp/perfect_dark/tree/mods/performance found a perfect dark performance repository. Could be cool to try out once TLB is in
remote hatch
there is no such 🙂
daring meteor
"With the TLB no longer in use"
versed cairn
Omg you’re right. If someone can compile this it might work on the current core!
daring meteor
Its a Decomp
remote hatch
I'm totally unfamiliar with it and the N64
versed cairn
All the install instructions are linux. 😦
remote hatch
It doesn't init the tlb
thanks for checking 🙂
daring meteor
versed cairn
I might be over my head but i'll try
daring meteor
In general this works for a lot of Linux usecases if you use a modern windows, wholeheartedly reccomended
Only drawback is it taking 10gb
versed cairn
no biggy, thats like 1 patch for a modern video game lol
weary palm
https://github.com/n64decomp/perfect_dark/tree/mods/performance found a perfect ...
Seems like that hack removes (at least partially) the need of TLB?
daring meteor
It seems fully to me
versed cairn
I'm trying to compile but theres not a lot of info on the github. will take some messing around for a noob like me
weary palm
You've compiled it?
daring meteor
I didn't but at least from the source code I see
Wait, did they change that?
Ah no I was just stupid
vapid hawk
was tony hawks pro skater3 working before today?
it has... a lot of interesting visual glitches lol
ooh TLBless perfect dark ?
versed cairn
Yeah! exciting if someone can get it to work. I’m stumbling through linux for the first time now trying to figure it out
vapid hawk
this might help ? https://github.com/tj90241/n64chain
storm vessel
Whats TLB?
mild finch
https://github.com/n64decomp/perfect_dark/commit/7c6805c3e2068ba3199d91e15711bad...
This sounds great from the readme. Is there a video of it in action? I couldn't find anything on YouTube or just googling in general.
daring meteor
Whats TLB?
Virtual memory, not in the core rn
restive anchor
well, virtual memory would mean offloading RAM to some other form of storage, this is remapping memory addresses
weary palm
Guess it worked... 🙂
daring meteor
Hahahaha
versed cairn
WOW
chrome quest
Yeah! Now then, how does one acquire this power?
Or is this not really something for the less technical amongst us....
Not going to be patchable I guess? Gotta learn to compile N64
vapid hawk
should be possible to make an ips or bps for it ?
daring meteor
Lmao
weary palm
Apply to Perfect Dark NTSC 8.7 final with MD5 checksum e03b088b6ac9e0080440efed07c1e40f
versed cairn
We can now directly compare fps with console since this version has a fps counter built in!
weary palm
thankfully the patch ended up not completely huge
chrome quest
Apply to Perfect Dark NTSC 8.7 final with MD5 checksum e03b088b6ac9e0080440efed0...
Wow, you work fast! TY. Now to "patiently" get through a day's work 🤣
versed cairn
Omg this is so cool. It tells you what is bottlenecking the performance
chilly ember
Apply to Perfect Dark NTSC 8.7 final with MD5 checksum e03b088b6ac9e0080440efed0...
Awesome I don't have to try and fiddle through the errors trying to build anymore, thanks 😄
weary palm
I know what mr bacon will make a video about
I built it in WSL (Ubuntu)
like the pleb I am
chrome quest
One of ye (that's actually done the work) should ping Robert. Might enjoy it!
chilly ember
Now waiting for tlb to play Goldeneye won't be so bad :p, it's the next best thing
weary palm
I just want a confirmation that the patch works.
I prefer PD
because it has bots and fun weapons xD
chilly ember
The bots are pretty awesome, but I like the single player levels better in Goldeneye. They're still both great. Curious how much this improves the frame rate
Gonna try patching now
weary palm
Seems like TLB is mostly a bad practice when it comes to N64?
bronze elbow
Probably a necessary evil if the alternative is requiring ram expansion
versed cairn
Game basicly already required it. Only headquarters was playable without
versed cairn
Yeah, it runs way better then the base game
vapid hawk
you can press L in this romhack to see a load of performance stats its pretty neat
versed cairn
Instead of in the 10s it’s in the 20s a lot more
If it wasn’t so late here I would do a fps comparison with real hardware
vapid hawk
i can't seem to find the low detail mode in this version
chrome quest
Patch working great
versed cairn
Yeah the option seems gone
vapid hawk
also i couldn't get in game without a cpak connected ?
like it couldn't save to cart or something
mild ether
Can this be done with the GoldenEye decomp?
vapid hawk
only if someones used the decomp to remove the tlb
chrome quest
also i couldn't get in game without a cpak connected ?
Same, just saving was odd
vapid hawk
still, this is amazing
weary palm
Save type isn't in db yet, so you need to to select eeprom16 manually
chilly ember
Is the golden eye decomp done?
It is not 😦
weary palm
I think it's eeprom16 anyways
bronze elbow
Game basicly already required it. Only headquarters was playable without
I was more speaking in general 🙂
versed cairn
This channel is so exciting to be in! Long live the n64! 
mild ether
Is there a performance hit not using TLB?
chilly ember
I think it runs better
weary palm
Does anyone have a savefile with everything completed? xD
versed cairn
Seems TLB is only used to minimize read and write times with limited ram. With everything living in the ram in this version read and write overhead is much lower
chilly ember
rose elbow
omg this is both awesome (and kinda hilarious!)
there's something very amusing about the patch boosting performance by bypassing the very thing the n64 testbuild doesn't have implemented yet
awesome discovery
vapid moat
versed cairn
I wonder what’s up with the resolution switch being removed. Seems like the game is stuck in hi-res mode
chrome quest
What are performance gains? If it's got no issues with high FPS, I suppose why not always hi-res mode
versed cairn
It’s still not a solid 30 fps but it’s better then low res mode on base game by a lot.
weary palm
Just had it crash during my favorite pastime. xD
chilly ember
I got through second mission on agent without a crash
versed cairn
No crashes yet here on agent second mission too. Maybe it’s completely random
weary palm
awesome discovery
Yes thanks @versed cairn and @daring meteor for discovering this 🙂
junior yarrow
Paper Mario has a decomp
wind helm
Interestingly Goldeneye was one of the very few games that worked on the UltraHLE emulator back in the 90s
junior yarrow
restive vortex
Hi all, has anyone managed to get the Brawler64 Bluetooth NSO edition to rumble?
inner bronze
daring meteor
Paper Mario has a lot more TLB usage
inner bronze
Sure but the question is how easy is it to rewrite it into not using a MMU
weary beacon
Apply to Perfect Dark NTSC 8.7 final with MD5 checksum e03b088b6ac9e0080440efed0...
Can you make the patch for the PAL ROM ? Thanks
daring meteor
src/effects.c in paper mario
chilly ember
Second mission footage, all I can play for tonight tho. I'll be playing tomorrow tho for sure lol
inner bronze
daring meteor
And potentially some adresses
daring meteor
Ah that's just adresses
inner bronze
Yeah its just declaring the heap spaces
effects.c has the extern to it
Anyone feel like hacking TLB out of Paper Mario so we can enjoy it a few months sooner? Or in case we never get TLB 😛
daring meteor
And of course stub the tlb init
Oh yeah speaking of, didn't sm64 use TLB really dumbly
inner bronze
Yeah. Only for the face intro
Its isolated so if it doesnt do anything funky you can maybe just even grab a random memory address and hope no init was done before it 🥲
vapid hawk
using it so you can not worry about the expansion pak being plugged in actually makes sense at least
daring meteor
src/goddard/renderer.c?
junior yarrow
By using a hack i was able to see a fair bit more of paper mario in core but trying to avoid every single effect is quite difficult
daring meteor
You could def make a patch of some sort
junior yarrow
If you just turned off all effects it would probably get at least somewhere
Most of the rest of the game seems to work well enough some graphical glitches notwithstanding
cant get into any battles of course
vapid hawk
playing PD like this is almost as good as the XBLA version 😄
daring meteor
Let's see, if the SM64 dynlist segment area in sm64.ld and the initialization is enough
rose elbow
im shook. i'm fairly sure the performance is the one of the big things that drew me away from ever getting too Into PD back in the day potentially .. exciting stuff
lament escarp
I think you misspelled n64
weary beacon
PD crashed in the 3rd mission when taking the elevator. It also crashed in the Institute.
daring meteor
Robert is gonna be plopping here to drop dedither and its gonna be real funny when he sees everyone talking about pd
weary palm
Sorry, the code has been modified in a way that makes it hard to create a PAL ROM
I tried.
vapid hawk
Did you see the options in the make file for pal?
weary palm
Second mission footage, all I can play for tonight tho. I'll be playing tomorrow...
The FPS isn't at all what I remember. Must be over 30 most of the time.
weary palm
Did you see the options in the make file for pal?
Of course. I tried to built it with
export ROMID=pal-final make clean && make PAL=1 -j
but the code has been modified so some #defines are missing etc.
I can't bother any more than I already have.
vapid hawk
weary palm
All I did was to compile some code guys. I didn't write N64 code, I'm not capable of that.
daring meteor
He wasn't even the one who patched it lmao
native mesa
Oh gotcha. Is there a GitHub?
daring meteor
Through if people are looking for patches to do:
SM64, Paper Mario, and Goldeneye are patchable
SM64 is probably the easiest
weary palm
are we that desperate for head, guys? mario head that is.
oblique remnant
pille palle yxkalle thx!! 🤘🏻
weary palm
tack som fan
native mesa
If TLB just reduces performance we're better off patching it away from all games that use it
vapid hawk
i'm listening to the menu music while i make lunch rn, its pretty great when the baseline kicks in
mild finch
How does dithering + de-dithering work?
Dithering does basic dithering to increase perceived color depth,
then de-dithering blurs the dither so that it looks smooth?
Why not render in the higher color depth in the first place? Would it be slower?
weary beacon
How does dithering + de-dithering work?
Dithering does basic dithering to increa...
Authenticity
vapid hawk
it's basically being used as very cheap way to compress the framebuffer
native mesa
How does dithering + de-dithering work?
Dithering does basic dithering to increa...
I think it came down to hardware cost
mild finch
What I mean is why did the N64 do it like that in the first place
mild finch
it's basically being used as very cheap way to compress the framebuffer
but the de-dithered version still needs the full color depth?
mild finch
I see
is it a screen space operation, or does it take some geometry or geometry buffer into account?
weary palm
Changes like this made it so it doesn't compile to PAL anymore: https://github.com/n64decomp/perfect_dark/commit/420d5ee9904b6f0d1fcc220577986881ccda856e
quick arch
thank you @weary palm 🙂
bronze tree
is it a screen space operation, or does it take some geometry or geometry buffer...
for each pixel, there is "coverage" information that tells you if it's completely within a polygon or on an edge. If it's completely covered, dedithering is applied, otherwise anti-aliasing is applied (using the coverage value as input)
bronze tree
both dedithering and AA mix information from neighboring pixels, but different ones.
mild finch
this is all very interesting.
bronze tree
for dedithering, it's from the 8 pixels surrounding the pixel
mild finch
I assume it will only take the pixels into account that also have full coverage?
bronze tree
I would have to look that up
no, dedither doesn't seem to care about the coverage, but AA does
mild finch
oh, interesting
so de-dithering will actually slightly blur triangles that are between 1 and 2 pixels in screen space size
bronze tree
dedither is very simple: for the R, G and B channels it checks for each of the neighbors if their value is higher or lower. If it's higher, we increase our value by 1 (doesn't matter how much higher the neighbor was) and if it was lower we decrease our value.
bronze tree
AA is a bit more sophisticated 🙂
weary palm
pretty smart to not apply dithering on edges. that way you can keep some sharpness
mild finch
I know about the concept of coverage, but no idea how it's usually implemented. Is this stored in a buffer like the Z-buffer? Or is it stored in an interleaved component (alpha?)?
bronze tree
for each pixel, there is 15 bits of RGB data and 3 bits of coverage data (coverage is from 1 to 8, but it's stored as coverage - 1, so 0 to 7)
weary palm
cool that PD and DK64 uses mp3s.
bronze tree
I don't know about 32 bit data, maybe it stores more bits of coverage
weary palm
mild ether
Maybe not?
So was it to accommodate consoles without the expansion pak TLB was required for?
wanton sun
Robert is gonna be plopping here to drop dedither and its gonna be real funny wh...
I have seen it and and i'm very happy for everyone having fun with it 🙂 Personally i never liked the game much, maybe because i never played it when it was new. But it's great to see that mostly TLB is missing for it. (and maybe something causing the random crashing)
heady mason
Perfekt Dark can run now? I have been wanting to play this game. I have heard it was a bit like Golden Eye. So I have tried getting it to run every few updates of this core
zenith orchid
you'd think that such a thing would exist for golden eye and paper mario
but hey we have PD now 🙌
daring meteor
So was it to accommodate consoles without the expansion pak TLB was required for...
Probably not
native mesa
Perfekt Dark can run now? I have been wanting to play this game. I have heard it...
It's a spiritual successors to goldeneye by the same developers and same 'engine' it's way more than a bit like goldeneye
daring meteor
you'd think that such a thing would exist for golden eye and paper mario
They didn't have performance problems
But you see how small the perfect dark patch is
native mesa
@cerulean elk can include perfect dark in his next video for mega clicks
cerulean elk
<@484201598218928128> can include perfect dark in his next video for mega clicks
I don’t know if it has the juice Goldeneye does
mild ether
Yep, not even click bait.
cerulean elk
Awesome game but Goldeneye is what everyone remembers. The larger “everyone”
mild ether
I don't care what anyone says, I respect the clickbait grift when I see it.
quaint pewter
"Golden Eye (kinda sequel) now working in the lastest core. With a patch"
bracket text in a 2point font lol
cerulean elk
"Golden Eye (kinda sequel) now working in the lastest core. With a patch"
And I’m getting all that in the title eh?
quaint pewter
It was a joke. I know you respect the audience and yourself more than to pull something like that 🙂
cerulean elk
Haha I know it was a joke. No worries
mild ether
GoldenEye sequel in latest N64 core!!!!
cerulean elk
I’d more go with “Nintendo’s 64’s Best Game Now Works in Core”….2 point font (it’s Bomberman Hero)
quaint pewter
heh
heady mason
It's a spiritual successors to goldeneye by the same developers and same 'engine...
Nice 🙂 I guess that might explain why both Perfect Dark and Golden Eye does not run yet... or did not at least?
native mesa
They both use virtual memory
prisma ivy
good mornin.... HOLY CRAP the things that happened here overnight
night saddle
Morning Gieger. I feel like that after a few hours of visiting the channel usually. Played Ocarina of Time on the core for the first time in decades a few days ago and blown away with how fast everything is progressing!
prisma ivy
right? It's very exciting to be there as this core develops
night saddle
Gonna make more time in my week to help test stuff I'm excited for like Shiren2
cerulean elk
good mornin.... HOLY CRAP the things that happened here overnight
You can’t even sleep anymore without things happening
Look at my phone when walking the dog and suddenly PD works
night saddle
I'd love to see what comes out of them
haven't tried any of them yet. why are some good ones to get started?
cerulean elk
New Saturn core too
native mesa
haven't tried any of them yet. why are some good ones to get started?
I don't know. They are just decompiles. Doesn't mean anyone has enhanced anything necessarily
An example is Perfect Dark that someone removed virtual memory
tepid gorge
haven't tried any of them yet. why are some good ones to get started?
I don’t know if he means these but there have been PC ports of games from them, like the Mario 64 PC Port, and there’s one for Jak & Daxter called OpenGOAL, and one for OOT called Ship of Harkinian
prisma ivy
I’d more go with “Nintendo’s 64’s Best Game Now Works in Core”….2 point font (it...
You Won't Believe What N64 Game Works Now
cerulean elk
You Won't Believe What N64 Game Works Now
(Shows more Brian 64)
weary palm
On a real N64 you can only get 7 bits per color channel (or 21 bit RGB if you will). Is that true with this core as well?
night saddle
I don't know. They are just decompiles. Doesn't mean anyone has enhanced anythin...
ah okay, will look into it a bit more. N64 was never a system in looked much into. only ever owned/tried a handful of games so I'm intrigued to explore the library a bit 🙂
night saddle
I don’t know if he means these but there have been PC ports of games from them, ...
sweet, I'll look them up thanks. I heard of the Mario one but not the others
prisma ivy
there was too much to read through overnight. Just skimmed some stuff. Does this mean we might see some TLB removal patches for other games?
mild ether
It seems this was just a lucky find of a version of the decomp for PD that someone already removed TLB from.
prisma ivy
ahhhh
odd vector
L is real 2401
quaint pewter
So he unlocks, January next year? Finally! 😉
dense wagon
On a real N64 you can only get 7 bits per color channel (or 21 bit RGB if you wi...
needs to have a Red Dwarf Quote from the Inquisitor episode "Sorry to disturb you sir, Reality Trouble"
when things crash haha
cunning fable
Quick question (sorry if this has been asked before): I'm pairing an NSO controller via bluetooth. Mapping goes all fine but the analog stick doesn't work.
Is there something I'm missing here?
thorn flax
good news everyone
there's a decomp for Animal Crossing N64 in the works
talked to someone involved, they said it will assist in the fan translation.
and things like adding a western keyboard layout
when I asked about n64 keyboard support they said "you can do anything with it when its decomped". I tried to clear up that I specifically want it to run on a real n64 (gave them the tl;dr on MiSTer) and they said it should be all possible
so hopefully the decomp is completed. the fan translation fixed up and maybe some quality of life mods
this would be unironically one of the crown jewels of the MiSTer
quaint rune
😏 mmmmmm
mild ether
Still no support for the RTC
thorn flax
it is the least needed feature tbf
hot spoke
Still no support for the RTC
The N64 core will have RTC support faster than a new AC fan translation will be done anyway
mild ether
These decomps are pretty wild. It seems like an insane amount of work to figure out what all the functions are and rename them all from scratch.
silent marten
Didn't gigaleak help with a lot of these decomps?
thorn flax
no it hindered them
mild ether
Like a ginormous crossword puzzle of code.
thorn flax
ye, at least どうぶつの森 is a relatively small game file
do-u-bu-tsu
yeah that's spent right I think
mild ether
I don't know for fact how much work it is but having debug symbols vs not in Ghidra or IDA is like night and day difference so can't imagine trying to create them from just a compiled game.
native mesa
These decomps are pretty wild. It seems like an insane amount of work to figure ...
I think the difficulty is you have to play through every possibility in games to capture all functions (my basic understanding at least)
thorn flax
it's also gonna have an element of decoding what the game devs were thinking
mild ether
I think the difficulty is you have to play through every possibility in games to...
I have to imagine you just start guessing what things are and maybe making changes to see what happens to start naming them.
native mesa
Well for naming yeah, but the actual soure code generation requires capturing data from a ROM while playing
weary beacon
hello. trying to play perfect dark on the latest core gives a black screen even after applying the patch that was provided here. is there a specific setting I'm supposed to use to make it work ?
mild ether
There is functionality in Ghidra and IDA to try and translate the assembly back into C but I have no idea how accurate it is.
native mesa
hello. trying to play perfect dark on the latest core gives a black screen even ...
do you have the latest database
Try loading a non patched perfect dark to set the cic and save settings and stuff
then load the patched one
quaint pewter
First thing I think you have do in a decomp is separate out the media and assetts from the code. You don't want to try decompile sprites, models and sound samples in to ASM 🙂
mild ether
First thing I think you have do in a decomp is separate out the media and assett...
Someone made a pretty decent module for Ghidra and it makes a pretty clean translation into assembly for a lot of the games. Not all but it is still pretty impressive.
It's a really neat tool especially for the price. 🙂
thorn flax
the real n64 keyboard btw
if only n64 games had keyboard & mouse support like Dreamcast 
gosh, you might be able to do a 360 spin in goldeneye between a single frame
native mesa
It's not in DVORAK literally unplayable.
orchid nimbus
good morning, what did I miss?
orchid nimbus
oh - not much then
native mesa
Vampier only plays text based adventure games
thorn flax
I mentioned there's an effort to decomp and really go to town on the original どうぶつの森
orchid nimbus
Metal Gear 1 for the MSX2 was decompped - and it's already on the Amiga... next on the Genesis
thorn flax
Finally
native mesa
I'd like to see some gamecube features added to Animal Forest
thorn flax
a platform that matters
native mesa
Doesn't MSX2 have specific sound chips that aren't on amiga?
thorn flax
I'd like to see some gamecube features added to Animal Forest
but only some. I don't want them to change the n64 exclusive things.
orchid nimbus
Doesn't MSX2 have specific sound chips that aren't on amiga?
...... really........ what? 😄 #1056033525922537542
native mesa
I thought MSX2 had something more akin to the sound processing of the NES
orchid nimbus
see #1056033525922537542
lament escarp
Metal Gear 1 for the MSX2 was decompped - and it's already on the Amiga... next ...
Awesome! I take it there will be translated ports for everything?
orchid nimbus
yes
lament escarp
Running kid is my favorite character in the game
orchid nimbus
that's MG2
viral portal
Snake's Revenge was better
drowsy lantern
That's a bold claim.
undone oak
would a hash mismatch indicate wrong rom used when patching with bps file?
weary beacon
I wonder if it is possible for the OoT decompilation to be ported back to n64 with enough optimization for 30fps support...
I know you can get it running in 30fps on real hardware with a Gameshark, but it is riddled with bugs.
drowsy lantern
Someone skilled and motivated could definitely do that.
weary beacon
I would love to see that happen.
viral portal
Has it been done with SM64? I thought I read about a re-compiling putting it at 60 on OG hardware.
weary beacon
Has it been done with SM64? I thought I read about a re-compiling putting it at ...
First article to appear on Google when I searched for it. I guess you are right!
I'll have to try it out.
viral portal
Dang, like a year and a half ago? That was so long, nobody can remember that far back
weary beacon
But has he released his code?
I know he showed it off as part of optimizing his new mod, but I didn't think he provided the code for the purposes of running the original
quaint pewter
No he's still working on his magnum opus and hasn't released it yet.
cerulean elk
Dang, like a year and a half ago? That was so long, nobody can remember that far...
Time has been weird since 2020. Nothing feels right any more
weary beacon
Dude could break the internet at any moment by dropping a patch that makes a real N64 run its most famous game at 60fps, and doesn't. Not even saying that's wrong.. just remarkable
viral portal
I don't see anything available publicly, but he's got a Patreon.
mild ether
The last 3 years barely feel like they happened.
viral portal
He is also apparently working on a "Return to Yoshi's Island" SM64 hack, and comments in the public Patreon posts about it claim they love playing it, so I wonder if it's locked behind that paywall
weary beacon
There was a public demo maybe 2 years ago that ran on old code
mild ether
Feels like the Nintendo leaks happened a month ago.
And that weird thing where everyone in cities lost their damn minds and ran around with masks on their faces.
cerulean elk
He is also apparently working on a "Return to Yoshi's Island" SM64 hack, and com...
Someone asked me to test that in comments
I didn’t even realize it existed
viral portal
Me neither until a small rabbit hole dive a few minutes ago!
drowsy lantern
https://screenrant.com/uper-mario-64-mod-fps-nintendo-kaze-emanuar/
Is it just me or that article is misleading? At no point do we see the original Mario 64 run at 60fps. He made the engine run at 60fps for his own mod, but there's no footage of the original game running at 60fps? Am I missing something?
weary beacon
I played the demo. It's great. Professional in ways you'd never expect from a mod. But, at that time, the code wasn't up to the task. There was significant slowdown, which I assume is how we got here
weary beacon
Is it just me or that article is misleading? At no point do we see the original...
That's the impression I got, as well.
weary beacon
Is it just me or that article is misleading? At no point do we see the original...
I think he has said that at this performance level, yes, the original, unembellished game can run at 60. His mod runs at 30-40
Now: who's decompiling and entirely rewriting Castlevania
daring meteor
Castlevania might be pretty easy
Look for tlbwi instruction
Patch out TLBinit
Done
weary beacon
Granted I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about, but if you patch out TLB, wouldn't that mean writing new code to leverage real memory?
daring meteor
Castlevania doesn't actually use the TLB
lament escarp
So there is a chance for castlevania for Halloween?
native mesa
So even fewer games actually used it than the roughly 12 or so that can't load because of it
lament escarp
How about conker?
hollow rune
I wonder how much the Goemon games use it
lament escarp
@weary palm can you please patch out tlb of castlevania for Halloween? You're smart!
daring meteor
Conker is probably like Perfect Dark, but unsure
Many nonworking games don't use it in game
weary beacon
The N64 Castlevanias are worth the effort?
daring meteor
The effort of patching out TLB?
prisma ivy
I mentioned there's an effort to decomp and really go to town on the original どう...
why keep referring to the game in Japanese language characters?
thorn flax
to cause you pain
prisma ivy
I figured as much
thorn flax
and avoid any confusion about what version.
also to keep my language skills sharp
daring meteor
Keep them Panasonic
thorn flax
goldstar
undone oak
is anyone able to help with what save type you need to use for high performance perfect dark pathc
im stuck on the select file screen haah
thorn flax
have you tried manually changing it and reseting
daring meteor
I think its Flash
orchid nimbus
thorn flax
me to the construction company next door
wanton sun
Patch out TLBinit
TLBWI should not crash the core, it's simply ignored. So the game must depend on some response then?
undone oak
ok cheers ill give it a go!
weary beacon
The N64 Castlevanias are worth the effort?
I think they've got an unnecessarily negative reputation, and most complaints were addressed in Legacy of Darkness, which no one played
daring meteor
TLBWI should not crash the core, it's simply ignored. So the game must depend on...
Could be, the patch that fixes Perfect Dark stubs a TLB init function out
wanton sun
maybe i take a look what they really do there. Could be that some simple response is enough
is the code for the TLB init open?
it must be, right?
daring meteor
Now mind you Perfect Dark does more than just initing
This is the relevant commit
wanton sun
yes, i instantly see this this does more than patching out the init 🙂
daring meteor
But changing memory adresses shouldn't matter if games don't use the memory adresses
wanton sun
the only thing that is changed is the upper 3 bits, which only tell the area (use cache, no cache, tlb mapped)
but i guess the patched out "osMapTLB" call is what is really the issue
daring meteor
Shame none of the barely using TLB games are decompd, other than SM64
orchid nimbus
@wanton sun I was thinking - how hard is TLB to implement? It sounds like a complicated concept from a implementation point of view.
thorn flax
how do you even quantify the difficulty?
by comparison of work hours to other parts of the core?
lean spruce
how well documented is TLB if at all?
wanton sun
fully known how it works
quaint rune
Can’t be that bad. He did it in his software emulator
wanton sun
difficulty is only due to our slow FPGA, not code to write it
lean spruce
that makes sense
woven olive
But has he released his code?
he hasn't had a public release of the code yet. i saw in youtube comments the other day he plans to release a patch for vanilla alongside his mod when that is ready to release.
wanton sun
will upload soon. Markun helped a lot with keeping the logic usage down, but still VI is around 2000ALM now, total logic usage of the FPGA 79%
thorn flax
incredible
lean spruce
Beautiful AA
orchid nimbus
I guess @bronze tree is on baby watching duty and has some time to spare 😉
thorn flax
Beautiful AA
and dedither
daring meteor
Oh nice, AA indeed today
lean spruce
the dedither is more impactful in OOT
quaint rune
Rounding those corners nicely
daring meteor
Only divot and noise gamma remaining (And wouldn't be surprised if they get delayed haha)
(Unless I'm blind)
bronze tree
about divot: it's very subtle and just fixes some AA artifacts
you might not notice if it's on or off (at least in the emulator in SM64)
thorn flax
Robert here inventing the NUS-CPU-10 that never was
daring meteor
Yeah
quaint pewter
I think noise is on the back burner if it's on the list at all
past mango
Ohhh baby, been waiting for this one
daring meteor
Divot is subtle and noise is on the back-burner
lean spruce
its here!
wanton sun
ok, i'm gone now, have fun 😅
bronze tree
have a great evening!
quaint pewter
we will have lots of fun I'm sure. I hope you have a good evening too
wanton sun
my little vacation time is over, tomorrow working again. Could barely make it with the most important features, other things on the weekend
daring meteor
And you thought there would be only a basic implementation
lean spruce
thanks again Robert!
silent marten
thank you Robert 🙂
zinc dew
"Dedither and Antialiasing"
OHHHHH MY GAAAAAAAAAWWWWWDDDD
daring meteor
Ah, no resample
mild ether
If a game doesn't use TLB but still initiates it at what point does it hang? Is something actually written or attempt to read made from a TLB address which results in a hang?
zinc dew
my little vacation time is over, tomorrow working again. Could barely make it wi...
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I am excitedly taking my MiSTer on a road trip, this will be my happy place while I'm in a car with 3 kids, two dogs, two cats
well when my wife is driving lol
||or maybe I play Mario Kart 64 while I'M DRIVING???||
wanton sun
so you play in the car while your wife drives? i can't imagine how this is possible. Are you in the trunk together with the dogs and a CRT?
mild ether
Dang just need someone to feed you grapes and you're set.
zinc dew
so you play in the car while your wife drives? i can't imagine how this is possi...
we have a little shitty fold down TV screen in a mini-van. I bought a little powered hdmi converter to composite.
modern sleet
so you play in the car while your wife drives? i can't imagine how this is possi...
This needs an AI generated image 😂
thorn flax
ooh, all vi minus texture filtering makes SM64 look a lot like the ds port
zinc dew
ooh, all vi minus texture filtering makes SM64 look a lot like the ds port
I really liked the DS port except for the controls
past mango
Ready to see some sexy screenshots of the AA. At work, can't play for hours
wanton sun
we have a little shitty fold down TV screen in a mini-van. I bought a little pow...
very nice, what a wonderful idea. we could play mario party on the backseat while my wife drives....i should also have that
zinc dew
very nice, what a wonderful idea. we could play mario party on the backseat whil...
Yes! We can be MK64 car bros! 🍻
Forming that bond will be important when both our wives kick us out of our homes for not driving anymore. 🤣
surreal summit
Leaving AA and everything else on but turning off the Bilinear filter is 
ornate obsidian
Amazing work on the VI, big cheers!
weary beacon
This is where it's unmistakably the N64
woven olive
Yeah, this looks fantastic now.
languid dune
How are we this blessed!? Saturn and N64 again in the same day!? It's MiSTer Christmas all over again!
This is the update I've been waiting for. Can't wait to test this in a bit.
weary beacon
AA and dedither are out?
cerulean elk
I went Saturn for 4 today. Its Sega's time to shine! (runs back to Saturn channel)
languid dune
two new cores in one day...again lol
srg and Robert are working together to ensure you have MiSTer content to last a life time.
cerulean elk
@languid dune defend me on Saturn lol
thorn flax
Leaving AA and everything else on but turning off the Bilinear filter is <:chefk...
I took off my usual 5th gen shadow-mask, copied the other vi settings and I concur
cerulean elk
srg and Robert are working together to ensure you have MiSTer content to last a ...
hahaha I will do N64 tomorrow. I had to move a new series for evenings to next week now lol
fair stump
Nothing -> texture filtering -> dithering -> de-dither + antialias
buildings in the back are most obvious
languid dune
<@441269164548554752> defend me on Saturn lol
Saturn is amazing, and everyone should prioritize it today! Grandia's FMVs are finally fixed! N64 sucks! ||I'm kidding! Though Saturn really is better!||
thorn flax
jumping from 1 to 4 is a trip. that green wall goes thru a lot of transformation
cerulean elk
Saturn is amazing, and everyone should prioritize it today! Grandia's FMVs are f...
you know I am leading with Grandia lol. Cause Grandia
inner bronze
N64 progressing so fast Im already forgetting whats left to do
weary beacon
anyone have pics of de dither on comparing AA on/off?
inner bronze
So whats left? Optimizations with vector instructions? TLB?
languid dune
So whats left? Optimizations with vector instructions? TLB?
Fixes for Doom 64! Wish I knew what that was on the hardware side...
wanton sun
Does even Angrylion not implement the VI Resampling thing?
what do you mean? the setting that is in the AA config bits? that's bilinear scaling and angrylion does implement it
daring meteor
what do you mean? the setting that is in the AA config bits? that's bilinear sca...
The other bit of AA_MODE
wanton sun
yes, this is bilinear scaling
i connected it today, forgot it, so bilinear was always on even if the game turned it off
inner bronze
and 10% to spare
fair stump
Dedither + AntiAlias off -> on
thorn flax
and 10% to spare
for his target 90% usage?
inner bronze
79% I think I just read is what its currently at?
fair stump
Antialias is the fun one to flip off and on
left depot
@fair stump wow Paul Walker never looked better 🤣
fair stump
Yeah, now I can't unsee it
old iris
please tell me why gt24: championship edition does not work at full speed, is it all because of tlb?
left depot
This is how I contribute to the community 
hollow rune
AA makes s uch a huge difference
woven olive
please tell me why gt24: championship edition does not work at full speed, is it...
Do you have CPU cache turned on?
desert crow
||or maybe I play Mario Kart 64 while ***I'M DRIVING???***||
Get the red shells Robby.
left depot
I was really excited for AA and now that we have it I'm really excited for AA 🙂
fair stump
hexed knot
Dang, some remarkable differences.
marble cargo
Mmm... delicious vaseline
hollow rune
Mmm... delicious vaseline
last scarab
is the de10nano capable of upscaling the games to 2x or 4x?
inner bronze
is the de10nano capable of upscaling the games to 2x or 4x?
Do you mean upscaling or increasing the render resolution?
hollow rune
Went to lost wood in OoT and Dedither did what I thought it would
viral portal
Cool selfie, bro
orchid nimbus
hollow rune
This girl's selfie game is tops at this point
viral portal
This girl's selfie game is tops at this point
My mistake. Cool selfie, sis.
lilac scroll
fair stump
RE2 actually froze on me in the second screen. I thought it was more stable now
zinc dew
LMAO I love it
the Vaseline kills me
@hollow rune Really appreciate you being here with us. I love the enthusiasm and fun you contribute!
left depot
This girl's selfie game is tops at this point
It's like a triforce of N64 amazingness
hollow rune
<@1009482463170535485> Really appreciate you being here with us. I love the enth...
I appreciate being able to be a part of all this in some small way. I waited so long to get a MiSTer and it was worth it
paper orchid
oh my god
zinc dew
I bought a MiSTer for all the fun retro games to play. Didn’t think I’d get a family too.
fair stump
paper orchid
So I just grabbed the latest core, boot up S&P, see that stupid pixel in training, but only occasionally
knotty zealot
paper orchid
I find an angle that shows it prominently on the core, great. Boot up the N64, go to training, get that same angle
and it's there on the real hardware too
hollow rune
I jsut booted this up real quick and it really does take advantage of all the different implementations
left depot
RE2 actually froze on me in the second screen. I thought it was more stable now
Hmm I was playing it just fine a couple builds ago 🤔