Nintendo 64

[native mesa]

Most problems would be solved by higher color depth and texture resolution

Slap a decent AA on top of that and you're all set

[zenith orchid]

that would be cool if the 24bit feature in the PSX core could fit in the same space as dither+dedither. that would be a nice trade-off

but then AA+divot would need a different solution.

[zenith orchid]

Well yeah that is the root of the issue. low color depth demands dithering, and low texture resolution demands texture filtering

[native mesa]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LineXiaolinWu.gif

[zenith orchid]

Maybe there's a better AA solution that doesn't have the issue that divot aims to solve.

[languid dune]

Seeing all this cursed AI art.

[zenith orchid]

I wouldn't be against it if shit posts were deleted after a certain amount of time. I don't think anyone would be.

[weary palm]

GoldenEye also has a pen and ink mode

[chilly ember]

I don't mind a little bit of shit posts if they're on topic and nothing is going on, keeps the channel active.

[zenith orchid]

yeah that's why I'm saying after a certain amount of time

[zinc dew]

It’s all a balancing act

Keep momentum going, read the room, react when there’s an issue

[elfin relic]

literally reads the room

man lotta shit posts up in here

:p

[zinc dew]

a lot of people just hang out here, balancing their enjoyment with other users as well

[elfin relic]

I read that as "balancing their employement" and I was like, yeah

[zinc dew]

If people complain then mods will act, we just want everyone to be happy

[zenith orchid]

I think the only reason the PSX channel was a lot cleaner was that it was named #1046940919607345272-core-testing, most people would feel like an ass if they shit posted there

[languid dune]

I enjoy the occasional silliness. Last night for example was epic without being a problem. I always keep it real when Robert is posting.

[zinc dew]

N64 core has brought in a ton of new people so we want to be welcoming to them as well and not immediately start dropping the hammer, at least that’s my approach

But seriously, if it’s an issue reach out

[zenith orchid]

it might be worth considering having separate channels for testing and for N64 chatter

[zinc dew]

I would float the idea to Kitrinx to see what she thinks

[zenith orchid]

would ya? 😮

[woeful grove]

if Robert asks me for it

[zinc dew]

No I mean you can suggest it if you’d like

[woeful grove]

he hasn't, so I won't assume

[languid dune]

She has been summoned!

[chilly ember]

I wouldn't mind a testing channel if anyone that is complaining about shit posts actually does testing :p

[neat sierra]

They are spooky

[woeful grove]

I got a pumpkin and they just copied me

[neat sierra]

Dark Robby and year round Kitrinx

[woeful grove]

My powers are at their strongest this time of year

[neat sierra]

The veil is thin!

Going to collect some body parts and make a Dracula

[zinc dew]

I thought it was a really nice touch that Kitrinx and Birdybro did that so I wanted to join

Uh oh

[languid dune]

Oh snap, we got a fat baby on our hands now.

[zinc dew]

It is what it is

[woeful grove]

🐈‍⬛ or 💀 work robby

[languid dune]

I'm a fan of the skulls.

The black cat blends into the background of Discord too much!

[rose elbow]

also kind of spooky tho..

[woeful grove]

there you go robby

I fix

[neat sierra]

🛹 or 💀

[rose elbow]

yay! the community has spoken

[zinc dew]

lol what am I now

Oh back to normal

[woeful grove]

spoopy scary skeleton robby

[languid dune]

Kitrinx: "I can fix him."

[zinc dew]

I was fully resigned to being the fatbaby head

[neat sierra]

Peer pressure is the best

[zinc dew]

it’s just penance

[neat sierra]

Makes good things happen

[woeful grove]

fat baby head just sounds like some resident evil shit

[zinc dew]

Haha

[rose elbow]

Punished Robby

[languid dune]

lol, RE Village shit to be exact!

[neat sierra]

Chibi Robby

[chilly ember]

Finish superman 64, all the cool kids are doing it

[languid dune]

Chibby

[neat sierra]

My mom says I shouldn’t listen to you

[cerulean elk]

Please like Robby could ever hope to be as cool as Chibi Robo

[languid dune]

If your friend played Super Man 64, would you do it too?

[chilly ember]

Chibi robo doesn't even have a ground pin

[prisma ivy]

should I update_all?

[prisma ivy]

finish it for science. It might help with core development 😄

[rose elbow]

i hypothesise Super Man 64 is a very fun game to play

[languid dune]

Be the hero we all need. Take the bullet for all of us and complete Super Man 64!

[chilly ember]

Superman is faster than a speeding bullet and bulletproof so that I taking a bullet isn't so significant

[prisma ivy]

my friend knows a guy who knows a guy who said that if you turn off all the VI stuff, the REAL Super Man 64 game gets unlocked

[zenith orchid]

thank heavens your personal take on what counts as solid testing and how much of it would be acceptable to your standards is among the least of my concerns 😉

[chilly ember]

Oh I wasn't trying to offend anyone and I apologize if that's how it came out. Any testing is great

[cerulean elk]

There’s a mod to make Superman 64 a better game. You need to toggle the power switch to off. Much better experience then

[zenith orchid]

Recently I've been testing the THPS games

[chilly ember]

I suck at Tony hawk on anything before underground because I can't get off my board 😔😂

[zenith orchid]

thats more of a life hack 😂

[chilly ember]

I never heard of that one, just the one that switches to bomberman hero after flying through 3 rings

[languid dune]

I like modding the Super Man 64 cartridge by opening it up, removing the innards, and replacing them with F-Zero X. Best Super Man 64 mod around.

[cerulean elk]

You probably put F Zero a lot of places it doesn’t belong knowing how much you love it 😂

[rose elbow]

that version of Super Man has a great soundtrack for the N64

[languid dune]

You don't want to know the details.

[zinc dew]

Wipeout 64 > F-Zero X

[languid dune]

The tribe has spoken. Robby is to be banned.

[zinc dew]

Sorry I was just drawing F-Zero X eating Wipeout 64

>

[rose elbow]

still have never properly looked at Wipeout 64 👀

[mortal panther]

If Robby is Guillermo, Kitrinx must be Nadja. 😉

[languid dune]

Hush Robby! What if children are present!!

[chilly ember]

Speaking of children isn't it past robby's bedtime?

[rose elbow]

hows Wipeout 64 on the current core, is it pretty much in tact?

[zinc dew]

I think so

[woeful grove]

oddly apropos

[languid dune]

Haven't tested it on yesterday's build, but before that it was running very well.

[zinc dew]

It’s getting close

[zinc dew]

I haven’t seen the show. Is that Guillermo character cool

[mortal panther]

As much as I hate to say it, he's actually the coolest. 😄

[zinc dew]

Yesssssss

[languid dune]

You play the character! How can you not know!?

[cerulean elk]

Too cool for you

[mortal panther]

He puts up with so much shit and disrespect... just like you!

[zenith orchid]

I think it's one of the ones that worked early on

[mortal panther]

But he keeps a positive attitude through it all.

[zenith orchid]

I didn't get very far though

[rose elbow]

keen to have a look. it's so hard to look at that game subjectively without nostalgia kicking in for the PS1 and wanting to switch over

[zinc dew]

Inspirational

[woeful grove]

GLaDOS is my spirit animal

[mortal panther]

Ron Swanson is mine.

[zinc dew]

I’m just trying to play some old games

[languid dune]

🎶 He's hip. He's cool. He's gonna knock you down like a common day fool!.....Mod Robby! Break through TV, in 3D! Boiiii!🎶 🤘

[zinc dew]

lol

[chilly ember]

If he shoots yea, it's gonna hurt

[zinc dew]

[chilly ember]

If you know the words, you can join in too

https://youtu.be/npuuTBlEb1U?si=WC0cbBSew_Fl_w9u for the people who don't understand my reference

[rose elbow]

the first thing that came to my mind was that joke ad commercial for Noah's Arcade in Wayne's World lol

[half venture]

anyone else having issues with hacked n64 games not saving saves?

[prisma ivy]

Too bad Capcom didn't any licensed Disney games on the 64. Imagine a sequel to Goof Troop on the SNES

Huh... did Capcom do much at all on N64? RE2, Mega Man 64. Then again they might have been developed by ghost studios

[chilly ember]

There's a database yxkalle made that will read a header on rom so you don't have to worry about incorrectly setting save type in system menu, I haven't tried it yet personally but that should solve your issue I imagine

[zinc dew]

Yeah you’re going to want to create your own user database and add the md5 hash to it along with what save type it uses. I used mupen64 and check the game log to see what saves it needs.

Usually or almost always it’s the same exact save as the original game

[rose elbow]

what's using to know what the md5 hash is?

is that the same tool?

[zinc dew]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

[vapid hawk]

might be simpler to just use that new build tbh

its meant to make this a none-issue

[half venture]

wow thanks guys, very informitive now i can fix it ❤️

[chilly ember]

The framerate on Megaman 64 sucks, it's better to play on psx

[rose elbow]

never played Megaman Legends and i get the feeling i never will

[chilly ember]

I had megaman legends as a child and I loved it

On Ps1 of course

[elfin relic]

it's good fun imo

[rose elbow]

its not bad? maybe i should try it

[cerulean elk]

Play Legends 2. Awesome game

[rose elbow]

isnt the first level like a hallway lol

[chilly ember]

It's great if you can get used to the awkward l1 and l2 turning

[rose elbow]

its just a nasty first impression or something

[elfin relic]

well it's the first level, it's to introduce you to the controls

and the wonderful VA

[chilly ember]

Play legends 1 first. Legends 2 has second analog camera controls but I would actually rather play with the l1 and r1 buttons actually

[rose elbow]

aha. i was reading over forum posts earlier today about Castlevania Symphony of the Night patches. there was some people wanting to patch in the PSP voice acting into the original game which i found funny. like the original voice acting is bad yes but also it's definitely part of the charm

[cerulean elk]

Since it’s quiet tonight…Pepsiman update!

[chilly ember]

Where's his Pepsi?

Or are you more of coke guy?

[elfin relic]

I have fond nostalgia of MML's VA, but it's not good

[rose elbow]

nice. it's a fun era for voice acting

[elfin relic]

it's also awkward actually calling a talking boy character "megaman" like it's a real name

[rose elbow]

LOL oh boy. this sounds fun

[elfin relic]

in Japan ofc they just call him Rock which feels more like a real name

[chilly ember]

More like Mega Boy

[elfin relic]

but thanks to the whole megaman localization decision in the nes days, it's just weirded everything ever since

[chilly ember]

Those Japanese names are just music references

[elfin relic]

Roll gets to be Roll

Rock never gets to be Rock

[chilly ember]

Megaman x5 bosses are all references to guns and roses

[rose elbow]

poor Treble. Treble is necessary for music to sound good but i dont think Treble is necessarily "cool". poor dog :(

[elfin relic]

Treble is necessary for Bass to exist

[knotty zealot]

so if robert has to take a step back on this VI thing...that means @cerulean elk and @fallen sparrow must update 2800 of their old videos and upload like 5000 new ones

quality, not quantity

[chilly ember]

Thatcanneverbecompletedbecauseawkbacondoesnthavethelungcapacity

It would never be 100% completable

[cerulean elk]

Lol I’ll find a way to keep busy

Someone taking a step back on VI though?

[chilly ember]

I think he was talking about doing a rewrite

[cerulean elk]

Oh yeah I saw that this morning

Plenty of fun to be had between now and then. Just gotta be creative 🙂

[chilly ember]

Yea I don't mind, we all have plenty to play in the mean time

[knotty zealot]

robert needs to get the core running 100% faster or "better - 200%". @cerulean elk you'll need to speak 400% faster in your video

[chilly ember]

Math checks out

[knotty zealot]

i knows it

[cerulean elk]

I might have to jump it up to 169%

[chilly ember]

That's how much your mom wants or so I heard

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/hollis-the-satisfactory-shock-shocked-twitch-hype-train-excited-gif-17716398

[kind solar]

nintendo 69 when

[cerulean elk]

She told me you gave 100%….for 45 seconds

[chilly ember]

She was off by 24 seconds

[knotty zealot]

6️⃣ 9️⃣

[cerulean elk]

Oh so 21 seconds. Sorry my bad

[vapid hawk]

can someone repro a bug ? in the world is not enough, goto options and turn the detail level to low

afterwards, whenever the framerate drops below 30 you'll get some crazy flicker

[knotty zealot]

freddo the partypooper

[vapid hawk]

you can get the fps to drop in the first room so you don't have to go far 🙂

[chilly ember]

Gives me a reason to turn on my mister

[knotty zealot]

nobody actually WANTS to play games.

[chilly ember]

Like awbacon's mom

[vapid hawk]

aren't you still years behind basket? you need to try the psx core 😛

[knotty zealot]

i only know one guy who wants to play games. tobin bell.

[rose elbow]

i played through Banjo kazooie... up until that last level. i remember hating it as a kid but forgot why... now i remember why i hated it 😆

[chilly ember]

Surprise its board game time

[vapid hawk]

the end of BK is dumb and bad tbh

[rose elbow]

beating Tick Took Woods is 100% imo

the very first question on the quiz board i'm getting questions like "how many mugs were there in the cabin of Rusty Bucket ship bedroom quarters"

heeeellll no

[vapid hawk]

wonder if there's a romhack to just skip the board game

[rose elbow]

that would be AMAZING

[vapid hawk]

it'd make that 8/10 into a 10/10 lol

[orchid nimbus]

I know FPGAZumSpace is going for perfection but damn - the dude is going to think himself to death like this

[rose elbow]

ive seen people talk about glitching their way through it but even that requires getting to the skull boards, which means getting past a couple of squares. and i honestly can't even get through 1 square lool

[rose elbow]

i still have some nitpicks with the design of banjo kazooie but overall its nice and fun enough to ignore the faults. but yeah the quiz is bafflingly bad

[vapid hawk]

honestly i love the entire game except that end sequence

the boss after is even fine, its just that boardgame

[iron dove]

you can skip it with some very specific jumps, managed to do it on rare replay

[rose elbow]

there's a boss after ?? 😂

[iron dove]

like, getting knocked off for wrong answer in a specific way so you land back on the game board

[chilly ember]

On crt? Video just set to standard? I didn't experience any flicker when I finished it on agent. Where does the fps drop to under 30?

[vapid hawk]

on hdmi

[chilly ember]

Ok I'll do both

[vapid hawk]

fps drops below 30 almost anywhere, stand in any corner of the first room and look around

only happens in low detail mode tho

[brisk edge]

It's a beginner's trap for sure, most aren't too hard but the gruntilda specific questions are just a shot in the dark if you weren't talking to her sister a lot and paying attention

[rose elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/ronburgundy-agree-disagree-ron-burgundy-gif-5109282

[chilly ember]

So standard then?

[iron dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wmaXHMx0c0

[vapid hawk]

no it defaults to high detail mode

[brisk edge]

I guess it's hard to wipe some of my bias away, I've done the quiz many many many times now lol

[rose elbow]

i honestly couldnt passed the first square. i got 3 different questions and got it wrong every time

at that point i just shrug and turn it off..

[brisk edge]

There are cheat sheets out there, among the speed running guides

[iron dove]

mine shows expansion detected but options are standard or hi colour

[vapid hawk]

oh, yeah disable the expansion pak i guess

[brisk edge]

The game pulls sets from a pool of questions, you just have to match it up to whatever set you got

[rose elbow]

you can't pause the questions and there's a 10 second count down. it's just not worth the hassle.. even with cheat sheets lol

[vapid hawk]

another expansion pak specific thing huh

i must be the only one testing with it off 😄

[brisk edge]

Fair enough lol

[iron dove]

ill try that

[rose elbow]

Indiana Jones is a fun one to see with normal/expansion pak. the difference in that game is hilarious

(granted, doesn't boot yet on mister)

[vapid hawk]

thats one i'm looking forward to playing for sure

[brisk edge]

Performance leaves a lot to be desired but, it's a pretty ambitious game and has quite a lot to do per level

[iron dove]

yep confirmed

[brisk edge]

Factor 5 really were wizards with what they could pull off, might have been laggy at times but I don't think anyone was pushing the 64 as hard as them

[iron dove]

black flicker all over screen after lowering detail to low, setting is only there with 4MB RAM set not if expansion is detected
Goes away once FPS returns to 30, comes back when it drops again

[vapid hawk]

yeah

its like they're running without vsync

controls stay responsive when the fps drops, smart

thanks for checking

[iron dove]

np. I'm on vsync_mode=1, dunno if 2 might help

[vapid hawk]

i'm on 2

[iron dove]

well that answers that, saved me a reboot 🙂

[rose elbow]

ya. i had the PC Version. it was okay but never quite loved it. the tweaks and changes Factor 5 made to the control scheme did wonders i reckon

[iron dove]

I like that it lets you keep playing after failing the mission, can walk around giving everyone a bit of biffo

[chilly ember]

Ok i see it now

[vapid hawk]

yep

nice capture thanks

[iron dove]

the guard shot me so many times it pushed me into the exit, still 75% health...

[vapid hawk]

you know if we could get an option to get the n64 analog stick mapped onto the right stick of a dualshock, you could build some really nice control schemes for shooters

[brisk edge]

I keep forgetting a bunch of those star wars and Indiana Jones games had PC versions as well

[vapid hawk]

like basically have the C-buttons mapped to left stick and the analog stick mapped to right stick

[zenith orchid]

this, as well as TLB, are both nail biters for me. I think even mazamars mentioned some challenges of getting N64 on an FPGA, and while there's still all this hype about how Robert is achieving the impossible... we might still hit a wall.

[vapid hawk]

even if we did and TLB games never got playable this core would still be incredible

[elfin relic]

this would make S&P a bit less brain bending to play on a dualsense/dualshock

[zenith orchid]

true

[vapid hawk]

actually i can probably already swap the sticks by just mapping it wrong on purpose in main

[elfin relic]

then you gotta deal with that if you use the same controller in the playstation core

[iron dove]

its an authentic 'hassle' just like mapping goldeneye on switch to modern controls 🙂

[chilly ember]

If we hit a wall, we hit a wall. TLB is endgame and if Robert can hit that wall, I will be very pleased

[zenith orchid]

And I guess the worst case for VI is.. no VI and a different hacky solution?

[rose elbow]

controller swap would be a nice osd feature if possible. obviously not urgent or anything right now

[chilly ember]

Conkers bad fur day is probably my favourite n64 game so that's the dream for me

Had my cart I've held on to since I was 7 years old 😂

Won't be hurt, if tlb doesn't happen. I mainly just want to play it over HDMI

Or component

But I don't wanna mod a N64

[vapid hawk]

yeah mapping the sticks wrong in main actually works great, just now this pad is useless for any other core, or any none shooter game 😄 lol

but you can have basically modern dual stick controls for stuff like TWINE

use control style 7 in game

[rose elbow]

ive never tried that. you can do that on Switch with the weird controller mapping yeah?

where u dig into the Pro Controller remapping option

ive always had this sort of line of thinking that like, if you're going to play Goldeneye, you should just play it with the OG control styles and ENJOY IT

[cerulean elk]

Core plays Bomberman Hero. It’s done. 11/10 review. We’re good

[rose elbow]

but maybe its worth trying 😆

[iron dove]

yeah on switch you need to remap it in the OS then select a different control option in game, pretty much the same

[chilly ember]

Is it 100% completable tho?

You're so close!

[cerulean elk]

I’m on the last world but haven’t had time to finish

[rose elbow]

the last level's not a quiz right? shouldn't be too hard

[chilly ember]

Oh yea I hate that bomberman quiz, never finished it

[iron dove]

but the answer is always 'blow it up' so its not too bad

[vapid hawk]

thats fair, but i find it fun to see like, if i make the controls more modern so i dont have to think about them so much, then the gameplay can actually come through more

fps games is the only genre i think this applies to

[rose elbow]

i'm keen to try it !

the emulation on Switch is just really ugly imo .. i never felt too compelled to poke around and try Goldeneye with the control scheme on it

but MiSTer on other hand .....

[chilly ember]

I honestly done kind c buttons to move and left hand to aim on N64 but the control scheme has been burned into my mind since the age of 7

[vapid hawk]

this would work great for turok, goldeneye, perfect dark, quake, quake2, duke3d, twine, daikatana

n64 has so many good fps games actually 😮

[iron dove]

i see what you did there 🙂

[vapid hawk]

lol

[chilly ember]

Perfect dark, Goldeneye, twine and ughhh

Daikatana?

[vapid hawk]

its surprisingly playable tbh

[chilly ember]

Daikatana? If you can get used to the control scheme

It's not the worst game on N64

[vapid hawk]

its got a reasonably high framerate which is nice

[rose elbow]

ive never played Daikatana but i've heard the N64 is more playable coz they didn't put in the Buddy system which had busted AI on the Original PC version

[iron dove]

turn off lookspring thing and its not too bad

[vapid hawk]

always turn off lookspring yeah

[rose elbow]

Hexen is a game i have a lot of fondness for but found the N64 version .. Pretty rough

it's Hexen. how hard is it to port Hexen!

[chilly ember]

I got a little invested in the daikatana story on N64 in the 5 hours of gameplay I had. It's basic and there is no voice acting but it's better than alot of N64 stories which are absolutely non existent

[rose elbow]

Doom 64 tho 👌 very good imo

[rose elbow]

yeah my understanding is, without the busted AI system, N64 is totally fine if just a lil generic. but not necessarily as bad as the reputation surrounding it

so i've heard so i've heard!!

[chilly ember]

I finished most of doom 64 pc version on my steam deck, it's decent

N64 version tho

Too dark

[vapid hawk]

there's a pretty extensive romhack for doom64 that fixes a lot

[rose elbow]

funnily enough, i do have a questions about the N64 brightness. i feel like as a kid maybe i just cranked the brightness on everything. coz playing original hardware now i find myself needing to crank the gamma a bit

nothing ever matches how i remember N64 as a kid but again, i probably just cranked the brightness on my tv back then

[chilly ember]

I played on rf back then 😂

[vapid hawk]

CRTs had pretty good contrast ratios compares to most modern tvs etc

[chilly ember]

So anything is better than my childhood nostalgia

[vapid hawk]

games back then could pretty much assume you'd have really good black and near-black performance

[rose elbow]

but also back then we didnt know any better and never really questioned anything. that had its perks too :D

[chilly ember]

Channel 3 woodgrain TV with rf only is my childhood memories, it didn't look great but I didn't give a shit

I had a tv to play my games on

[rose elbow]

i've been noticing that a bit too mister test build. coz i have the Analogue IO board dual output and can play on CRT + HDMI at same time

the brightness/colours on the CRT pop and shine

its really really noticable on n64

[chilly ember]

I do that too and my one JVC D Series tv isn't accurate and it's bothers me 😂

[iron dove]

I was fancy I had composite..... to a VCR that connected via RF to an old rank arena TV with a wood case and legs :p

[chilly ember]

Hell yea that is solid, vcr in the middle always makes for a better experience

[junior yarrow]

I remember turning up the brightness on my TV to play DK64

[chilly ember]

I finished Gamecube games on that tv 😂

[junior yarrow]

going to K Rools ship and i just couldnt see anything

[iron dove]

did it? i was just being facetious coz in the end it was still over RF 🙂

[chilly ember]

Nah It didn't help at all

[iron dove]

maybe it had a better RF encoder, nfi

[chilly ember]

But it was cool :p

[vapid hawk]

some VHS decks did have really good encoders

could be it was better than whatever was in the lumps on those oem cables

plus then you can record your gameplay to tape !

[chilly ember]

Like polishing a turd, it will be prettier but it's still a turd

[rose elbow]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh yeah. i forgot about this LOL

now i've got a Yamaha AV Receiver and i wanna say it's totally fine in terms of latency and how it looks with Component inputs

i got a retrotink and was scratching my head abit at first why i got it / what the improvement was

but after awhile came to conclusion like, it's nice to have more options it honestly doesnt hurt having more upscalers like that around ahah

[chilly ember]

I hooked up my mister to a vcr once with composite, tested it over rf

It was awful

[rose elbow]

like awful-er than original hardware or the right amount of awful ?

it's like the evil version of RGB My Life in Gaming

[chilly ember]

The right amount of awful to look at after looking at it on component on the same set

[vapid hawk]

porkchop actually makes an RF encoder for mister now

[rose elbow]

thats sick

[chilly ember]

That is awesome, I saw that

[vapid hawk]

might want to grab one if you're interested i think he had to use some vintage chips with very low availability

[rose elbow]

i definitely love the mister in terms of it being like, every console is RGB modded and perfect

[chilly ember]

Is it in stock tho?

[rose elbow]

but i can see the arguement for it being a little too perfect for some people/preferences etc

[chilly ember]

It is not in stock

[vapid hawk]

https://misteraddons.com/collections/reflex/products/composite-to-rf-adapter

no

[iron dove]

im certain it was objectively terrible but at the time I wasnt complaining. Somewhere between a grumpy teenager and that N64 kid screaming as he opens the present

[chilly ember]

If it's in stock at the same time as a snax, I'll check it out

[vapid hawk]

its great we have options for composite/svideo now since it means so many more older tv's can now be used

[rose elbow]

i had this old wood panelled TV for gaming at one point. i forget specifically what it was but it looked sick

[vapid hawk]

especially in the USA

[iron dove]

lol that TV built into furniture is spectacular

[chilly ember]

I have a Panasonic Gaoo that I prefer to use for N64 but it's s video instead of component

[vapid hawk]

my main gaming tv growing up was a 25" sony trinitron 😮 massively lucked out was a hand-me-down from my grandparents

[rose elbow]

i had this TV where the remote was this square monstrosity that would fit into the side panel and double as the side panel controls 😂

wish i had a picture of it, was funny as

[chilly ember]

Was it the one of those tv's that if you dropped a bunch of change near it, it would change the channel?

[rose elbow]

baha no what's that referring to? is that a thing?

[vapid hawk]

did remotes used to be ultrasonic instead of infrared or something?

[iron dove]

I was thinking that the TV had the concept of homographs

[elfin relic]

that still seems like you could change the channels on the TV in the next room

[iron dove]

crazy, before IR remotes I had one device with a wired one.. or ya got up

[rose elbow]

wired remote :D

ahaha

[chilly ember]

I had a person describe turning family tv on with change being dropped, I showed them the ultra sonic remote on Wikipedia and gave them answers to their ancient wonders

Apparently their mom's friend could change the channel with their laugh

[iron dove]

a laugh that makes even the ppl on TV leave

[fallen sparrow]

The math sound about right

[knotty zealot]

double the content. it makes sense.

[orchid nimbus]

I've tried to make sense out of you for 2 years - the only conclusion I have is : Norwegian

[chilly ember]

Which are you?

[orchid nimbus]

Non Norwegian

[knotty zealot]

i try

[orchid nimbus]

I dislike people from Holland just as much as you do

[twin barn]

Hey, no dutchphobia in my n64 chat.

My wife is half dutch.

[ripe cargo]

Anyone have a script that just updates to newest unstable main?

[worldly quartz]

i was going to say just take out the n64 downloading part from the script but they took the script down

[hexed knot]

don't worry, he said holland, I'm sure he likes people from dutchland 😉

[drowsy harness]

https://youtu.be/cvfxKbpoxRE?si=70AnNI24aoFXZOHs

[chilly ember]

Hahaha

[drowsy harness]

Thought this song would go well with the Vaseline theme.

[chilly ember]

I love it 😂

[zenith orchid]

is her Dutch half from Holland? because Holland is only two of several provinces if I remember right 😄

[iron dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL4QfvIrUf4

[zenith orchid]

this is just as hilarious😂

[iron dove]

but all my geographic knowledge is based on 90s US sitcoms!

[zenith orchid]

It's a good joke, perhaps it was meant to make people think.. but alas...

[knotty zealot]

slow updates?

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kevin-malone-kevin-office-white-collar-gif-4013003

[wanton sun]

what happens if you research a VI bug and the game is nearly black? Of course you want to know why! Unfortunatly this path brought me down the rabbithole of even more undefined texture modes

Supercross 2000 is not fine with one of them, no, it wants two of them

i gave up when the ground is halfway visible

[bronze tree]

do you have a "before" picture?

[wanton sun]

the game plays horrible anyway...you can see it has 14 fps when no other riders are on the track

[kind solar]

racing into the void

poetic

[remote hatch]

11 fps not bad 😛

[wanton sun]

oh, that is the low res mode. you can activate high res for even better quality! (and even less fps)

[wild ruin]

do you also get the top/right image crop?

[hearty oar]

I'm guessing the crowd isn't supposed to look like that either

[wanton sun]

yes, the image is correct, it's just not centered right

[wanton sun]

yes crowd and ground use undefined texture modes. i can't figure out what they are supposed to do

need to dig deeper when i have more time

[wild ruin]

thank you! is that something I can fix on my end?

[wanton sun]

not really, you have to wait for the video out to be finished. Maybe if your TV supports shifting the image, but then other games are not centered anymore

[vapid hawk]

would mikes builds help ?

i think he's been dialling in the centering

[wanton sun]

anyway, the render bugs (downscaling) in Rayman 2 and New Tetris are fixed and the Dk64 intro also renders now:

[vapid hawk]

😮

already ? thats amazing

[wanton sun]

so i can go back to dedither 🙂

[vapid hawk]

legend

[wanton sun]

will upload a build after lunch

[vapid hawk]

we found one small bug in TWINE overnight

[wanton sun]

no, it's not general misalignment but a trick by banjo to render less pixels, so they add additional black areas

[wanton sun]

what is it?

high color mode?

[vapid hawk]

#1096015979055697940 message

no the opposite actually, low detail mode 🙂

[wanton sun]

how is it triggered?

[vapid hawk]

disable the expansion pak, in the games options set it to low detail mode

anytime fps drops below 30 (pretty much anywhere) that flickering happens

[wanton sun]

i see...looks like the game is rendering with double buffering only

[vapid hawk]

it doesn't feel like it drops right to 15fps when it drops

[wanton sun]

high detail mode drops to 20fps

[vapid hawk]

i wondered if it was doing er, like you know some xbox360 games vsync at 30 but just tear if it drops below

to maintain the controller response

[wanton sun]

yes, but additionally you see the rendering being half done

so the game scans out lines that it's currently drawing

[vapid hawk]

might just mean its kind of a timing thing

[wanton sun]

maybe the game would never drop below 30fps on a real n64? but i doubt that

[vapid hawk]

i think i can check this if i use that cheat to disable my expansion pak

[wanton sun]

but even then, there should be only tearing, not this effect. For some reason the wrong framebuffer is drawn/output

[vapid hawk]

if they were really careful about timing they could of constrained the tearing to the top of the screen

in the overscan zone even maybe

thats an advanced technique though i dont know if that sort of stuff was done on n64

[wanton sun]

yes indeed, it works with the old VI

i currently latch the framebuffer offset at the start of the frame, the old VI didn't do that

it seems the game updates the framebuffer pointer mid screen....

[vapid hawk]

oh i didn't realize it was a regression i hadn't played this one before

[wanton sun]

i did, but who uses that mode? 😉

[vapid hawk]

i figured it'd raise the framerate 😄

its quite playable if you just ignore the flickering

[wanton sun]

this is with old vi -> you just get tearing (i moved to the left to generate that)

will change the logic and update the framebuffer pointer every line again...

[vapid hawk]

makes sense

[native mesa]

Are there no actual interlaced modes on n64?

[daring meteor]

Wait

Fake interlacing?

[knotty zealot]

what is that

(trick question)

[quick arch]

Thank you ❣️

[fair stump]

I've been curious about Supercross 2000

There's a freestyle mode that just lets you drive around that seemed fun but you couldn't see the jumps. At least some of that will be visible now

[oblique remnant]

who needs supercross '00 if you have Excite Bike 😄

[chrome quest]

Indeed, but let's not become Sony's Jim Ryan. Who would play this older/inferior/ancient pixel game.
(Said into a retro gaming Discord 😂).
I'll enjoy my 50Hz if I want to! Nobody can stop me

[vapid hawk]

pretty sure there are yeah

mostly menus and stuff but some games too

usually with the expansion pak

[daring meteor]

Aren't most of the broken illegal modes pretty much identical tho?

I32, I16(?), CI16, CI32 and IA32 seem to be

Unless I'm misreading angrylion code

And angrylion says its RGBA32 except the Green is A and the Red is Blue?
Very weird

[vapid hawk]

is there some reason developers would want to use that?

does it do something none of the documented modes can achieve ?

[daring meteor]

Unless I'm misreading Angrylion code, no clue

These modes just look all identical

[native mesa]

Ecitebike is trash 🚮

[daring meteor]

Yeah these modes are all the same in Angrylion what

And the only difference is that Green equals A and Red equals blue

[wanton sun]

Angrylion also has a weird +1,+2,+3 to the address when some invalid mode is used as clut. i tried to implement it and it's just worse. Need to investigate further at some point, but not worth to stop VI for supercross deep dive

i wonder anyway what went wrong with this game. They use 2 undefined texture modes and on top of that use 2 textures in single fetch mode. Could also be the reason why the rendering is still corrupt. No idea what is fetched when there is no time to fetch it.

[zinc dew]

Saw your updates. Excited to try out today’s new build!!

[neat sierra]

Robby just tell us when you’re not excited

Wow these taxes are an exciting challenge that comes every year!

#blessed

[twin barn]

Classic. Does it perform better when you switch to 4mbyte for ram?

[wanton sun]

i didn't check

[cerulean elk]

Another new build coming. Fun!

[fair stump]

I know other people already stopped having this issue but I'm glad KI isn't stretching for me anymore

[vapid hawk]

can confirm TWINE is fixed up

super playable in this mode! might end up finishing it

[zinc dew]

I live for challenge!

[remote hatch]

Twine = 007 ? 😄

[zinc dew]

yup

[remote hatch]

ok 🙂

[vapid hawk]

007: the world is not enough

[daring meteor]

@wanton sun I think you forgot the changes Mike mentioned yesterday

[neat sierra]

I admire your passion for life, no matter how Superman64 it gets

[opal quiver]

@wanton sun I’ve try the new build with wave race Europe and the top screen get me a big black line

[silent marten]

Spiderman has a regressions, it now hangs after the intro

Let me try a core restart

[vapid hawk]

usa?

[silent marten]

OK a core restart fixed that but still missing sky box

[vapid hawk]

spiderman crashed for me when i touched a question mark thing

same on the skybox too btw

no errorcode? that seems weird

[knotty zealot]

you seem weird

[daring meteor]

Did any other games have E4000?

Just wondering

[fair stump]

Robby can filter the list for us and check

[daring meteor]

Buck Bumble?

Vigilante 8

Starcraft

Superman

[fair stump]

Clayfighter sculptors cut

[daring meteor]

Robotron 64

Rugrats Scavenger hunt

Road Rash 64

[vapid hawk]

are these other games that had the same issue as DK64 ?

[daring meteor]

Pokemon Puzzle League but that uses YUV probably?

No, I'm looking for games that have the same problem as motocross

Ogre Battle 64

[vapid hawk]

oh

[daring meteor]

NFL2002

[fair stump]

Is that error code specifically the Supercross error?

[daring meteor]

Knockout kings 2000

[daring meteor]

Yeah

[cerulean elk]

writing a list of tests. if anyone finds anything fun lmk

[vapid hawk]

doom64 hasn't changed with the updated texture modes

[fair stump]

Looks like rugrats menu text is all there now

[daring meteor]

I'm right now making a slightly improved version to test

[fair stump]

Yeah, rugrats seems all good now

[zinc dew]

Damnit I’m sorry lmao

[cerulean elk]

haha thatll make a fun test

I kind of forget Rugrats exists

[zinc dew]

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron’s menu is visible!

Except for the logo

It tries its best though

[daring meteor]

Is it an E4000

[topaz otter]

If it had 15 pin analog vga output to a real vga monitor

[zinc dew]

Nope, no error code

[topaz otter]

And not composite to a regular tv with a comb filter

The clarity would be a lot better

[trim seal]

Rat Attack looking good now, glass door gone.

[fair stump]

These guys still have unfortunate face tattoos

[vapid hawk]

Ogre Battle looks nice

some little glitches on text boxes

[trim seal]

No improvement to MK Trilogy opening text missing letters etc.

[zinc dew]

Here’s a DOOM 64 title screen with an error code:

[vapid hawk]

possibly a VI/blending type issue i'm not sure

[fair stump]

Superman still ugly af

[cerulean elk]

no amount of code can fix that lol

[chrome quest]

Anyone able to check Stadium? Curious as it seemed to have the glass door type effect, but magnitudes worse. Perhaps because of increased vertical resolution, or maybe a different issue altogether

[cerulean elk]

Pokemon Stadium?

[zinc dew]

I’ve got Stadium 2 and I don’t see any issues so far

[fair stump]

Just on crt? Initial menus seem fine to me

[vapid hawk]

is ogre battle good ? i've never seen it before, the graphics are really neat

[fair stump]

Good enough they made 63 before this I guess

[chrome quest]

It was Pokémon Stadium 2, just from the main title screen, then you see 4 controllers. Was very noticeable. From the sounds of it Robby, guess that's fixed too 👍

[zinc dew]

I get this error:

[trim seal]

Stadium looks ok. Some mild graphical glitches and occasionally what seems like interlacing artifacts. No glass door though.

[zinc dew]

Look ok to you?

I’m not familiar with it because I only play good games like Quest 64

[chrome quest]

Looks good. I had that 000800 error reported on the list. Don't think it had an obvious effect on gameplay

[zinc dew]

Why won’t the Densha de Go translation patch work 😭

[fair stump]

Not seeing any issues with Road Rash

Why are these bikers are dressed like reject super heroes?

[daring meteor]

Speaking of

This screen used to not work

Now works

[cerulean elk]

good timing. I wanted to show Densha again

[daring meteor]

Can anyone confirm cause I use a custom build

[fair stump]

I think that worked at least a version ago. It looks familiar

[elfin relic]

Because the spirit of the trains wills you to remove the crutch of patches

[fair stump]

No improvement on starcraft menus

[chrome quest]

Looking at my PAL tests in the document.
EXX4000 on; F-Zero X, Magical Tetris Challenge.
Those errors are from a core a few revisions back

[zinc dew]

What’s your custom build do?

[daring meteor]

Fix E4000

I just don't know where E4000 is visable

Can anyone confirm the Madden 2002 issue is gone?

Or did my build fix that?

[marble cargo]

Cool, the bug with the buffered high resolution is fixed.

Still going to play Rayman 2 with the low resolution, just because it can reach high framerates easier.

[fair stump]

Team logos look good to me on the test build

[daring meteor]

Ogre battle no change for me- YUV usage than

[marble cargo]

The Nintendo 64 version of Rayman 2 is interesting, because unlike other 3D platformers at the time, there's no 30FPS cap. This means it's possible to go up to 60FPS, and there are spots where it almost reaches that.

[daring meteor]

Oh yeah Ogre Battle uses YUV

[chrome quest]

Another one. Bomberman Hero (at least PAL). Graphics missing on menu screens on old core revision. I think that was improved since though

[daring meteor]

If anyone sees an E4000 bit error on the current test build "Not implemented texture mode is used" by Vampiers site, than tell me to check

[fair stump]

I guess I'm confused why we have two builds we're checking with?

[daring meteor]

?

I made a build that maybe fixes some E4000 errors

I want to compare it

Bomberman Hero works perfect for me

NTSC tho I tested

[wind helm]

Bomberman Hero has some glitches from me before the main game starts

for me

[chrome quest]

If anyone is looking for other previously high res screen chopped off games to check;
Top Gear Rally 2,
World Driver Championship.

[marble cargo]

Apparently Rayman 2 does not like the small transitional cutscenes between areas at the moment.

[daring meteor]

Glitches and E4000 error?

[wind helm]

Denshadego 64 is working perfectly with the N64 core 🙂 Now just hoping that Bust-A-Move 2 will be fixed, that would be awesome. At the moment it looks like a mess 😦

Magical Tetris Challenge also has a weird graphical glitch during game play , hoping that will be fixed one day too 🙂

[fair stump]

Cybertiger seems to be all good. Were a few ui issues I guess but everything looks nice now

[daring meteor]

I don't see anything on Road Rash

[fair stump]

Mia Hamm soccer used to have the issue with being really stretched but everything looks fixed now

[daring meteor]

Rugrats looks fine

[wild ruin]

ok please someone tell me why I’m stupid lol

got the usb dongle (to run updateall via wifi), configured it on the mac to connect to my network, plugged it into the mister but get no network message on the misc options screen

this isn’t clearly for me

sorry this is not n64 related but got so much help here yesterday to run the core 🥺

[fair stump]

So all of the 256x474i games should be fixed now?

[zinc dew]

No problem, make sure to follow this guide - https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/wifi/

[wild ruin]

was just on it!

[cerulean elk]

I swear some N64 games I’ve literally purged from memory and forget exist

[wild ruin]

should have checked before posting sorry

[fair stump]

Legit never would have guessed it was a tiger woods game before loading it up

[wild ruin]

as much as I love the colors from this screen it look like the script isn’t working for me 🤮 will try the more advanced route

[zinc dew]

Are you trying to play via CRT?

connect via HDMI first and see if it works

[wind helm]

ah there is a new build, I just noticed haha Interesting to see whether some of the problematic titles now improve

[wild ruin]

not to play, just to check if it connects to the network with the new dongle

is this process overlill (worst case)

To manually setup WiFi without the script:

Edit the file /media/fat/linux/_wpa_supplicant.conf with a text editor that supports Unix/Linux line endings.
Replace put_your_SSID_here with your Wifi Network's SSID, and replace put_your_password_here with your WiFi password.
Change the country code to the one that matches your country.
Rename _wpa_supplicant.conf to wpa_supplicant.conf
Reboot the MiSTer.
After the MiSTer reboots you should see the wifi icon at the top of the Main Menu's OSD.

[zinc dew]

Understood but use HDMI while you’re setting your MiSTer up. CRT can introduce complications which are manageable but you want to reduce as many external factors as possible to make sure your system is setup correctly first.

[cerulean elk]

capture time

Rayman 2 intro is so dramatic lol

[zinc dew]

Rayman 2 is so full of whimsy and creativity and makes absolutely no damn sense lol

Great game though

[cerulean elk]

little bit of a black vertical line through the Rayman 2 logo in intro. That been noted yet?

like a single vertical pixel strip through the n in raymaN

[zinc dew]

You’ll want to read the FAQ that’s pinned to solve that issue - https://vampier.net/N64

[orchid nimbus]

stupid FAQ can't even answer this simple question

[modern sleet]

This is seems shrunk on HDMI as well, the aspect ratio seems odd

[fleet glacier]

You should complain to the writer of the FAQ

[orchid nimbus]

I just punched him in the mouth

[wild ruin]

connected! was just a matter of rebooting before reattempting

[zinc dew]

Ah that’s great! I’m happy when problems are easy to solve.

[fair stump]

Boy, I don't think I've seen anything with as obvious dithering as Mike Piazza's Strike Zone. It's pretty intense

[zinc dew]

Don’t ridicule the poor core, it has self image issues

[cerulean elk]

Densha time

def improved since last time I looked

[zealous hull]

Wow, I was not expecting the VI reimplementation already. Excited to play some more stuff after work.

[cerulean elk]

is this a full reimplimentation?

[wanton sun]

aspect ratio is currently forced to 4:3 on HDMI, no matter what

[vapid hawk]

i think it's still missing AA and one other thing

[cerulean elk]

I mean rewrite of existing code

[zealous hull]

I don't know if it's full, but I believe it's a rebuild of what Robert was previously working on with VI.

[wanton sun]

not really. i could solve it with less changes than i thought

maybe 1/4 is changed

[zealous hull]

Oh! Even better. 🙂

I thought you were going to have to start from scratch, the way you spoke.

[cerulean elk]

lol I didnt even manage to leave the station in densha

so confused by this game

[fair stump]

You too!

[daring meteor]

lel

[cerulean elk]

noted. Will mention accordingly. Thanks!

[zinc dew]

But that’s the Jaguar aisle?

[daring meteor]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Supercross bug is the same as the Bust a move bug

[wind helm]

interesting, Kasher_CS

[modern sleet]

Yeah, I guess I'm trying to say its not centered on HDMI as well not only on analog, but banjos output res seems odd as well

[cerulean elk]

WDC next

[zinc dew]

World Driver Championship?

[cerulean elk]

yeah

[fair stump]

The dithering difference here is huge. I'm thinking this may be a great example when de-dithering comes

[wanton sun]

yes, i don't respect it when the game wants to start different than 0, it's just ignored currently

[zinc dew]

Good game?

[wanton sun]

very good. Would be curious what you find out 🙂

[daring meteor]

Not a lot, actually, haha, but maybe Supercross's croud uses more colors?

I did find out Ogre Battle is YUV tho

So if you wanted to not implement that becuse no game uses it, tough luck

[marble cargo]

I was always a fan of that mysterious dream-like vibe Rayman 2 was going for, in contrast to the first game which was more wacky.

[cerulean elk]

bit sim like for my tastes

[cerulean elk]

pretty though....looking better in new core. Still some graphical glitches on roadside polygonal objects. But a lot better than last time

Twine next

[zinc dew]

Congrats on beating Koopa the Quick

[orchid nimbus]

hehehe

[drowsy lantern]

What does "undefined" mean in this case? That it's a texture mode that's somehow supported in the hardware but not documented in any capacity? Or something else?

[cerulean elk]

Twine looked awesome. Saw nothing out of place

Rugrats lol...should have just been a Reptaur Kaiju game instead

Rogue Squadron next

[wanton sun]

you can set up all combinations of texture modes: 4 color depth, 5 modes, tlut on/off, so 40 in total. In all cases the hardware would do something and not hang up. But only 20 or so of them make any sense

e.g. texture lookup is done using either 4 or 8 bit color lookup tables. But some games use 16 bit as lookup, but the table only has 256 entries, so which 8 bit of the 16bit fetched do you use?

[cerulean elk]

some odd flickering on Rogue but looking nice text wise

in the menus

some interesting stuff on the star wars Chapter 1 scroll. I really wish you could just skip that anyway

game however...chefs kiss good

EP 1 racer next

DK rap is now burned into my brain. Heard it way too many times lol

[drowsy lantern]

Here.. here.. here we go!

[versed oyster]

I get black screen after selecting the rom. How did you get it working?

[cerulean elk]

wow actually got in game on KI this time before it froze. First time

[quick arch]

With the last test build 🙂

[cerulean elk]

to editing. See you kids at 4

[cold pollen]

Keep me updated

When KI Gold and Pokemon Puzzle League are 100% I declare the core to be finished

[cerulean elk]

interestingly on Rayman 2 the HDMI signal is 43.00 off dead center in Resolve and shifting right those 43 units on X axis centers it. Just fun random observations

[zealous hull]

It's not 4 yet.

😉

I love this core, and I love this community. ❤️

[wind helm]

How well does Rayman 2 work with the current core?

[cerulean elk]

extremely well

[wind helm]

wow cool

[pale granite]

they're so good they're all sold out!

[mellow raft]

I hate it personally.

Not enough gnomes

Needs more hot takes from @maiden lintel

[daring meteor]

There should be less KDEs

[maiden lintel]

I like N64 which is I guess the hottest take

[mellow raft]

Haha

[wind helm]

where can I find a link to the compatibility list?

[mellow raft]

In your imagination?

Idk actually haha. I think it's linked on vampire's site?

[mild ether]

Tons more CDEs from this era in the 90s.

[zinc dew]

Everyone loves N64 though 🤔

[mellow raft]

Obviously not tom bombadil

[mild ether]

N64 is alright, it's no 3DO but it's alright.

[cerulean elk]

its interesting Rogue Squadron is perfect in game but the menus are weird with the garbage at the bottom of the screen

using diff modes in titles vs game

[hollow rune]

alright, time to update my core

[daring meteor]

I love CD32

[wind helm]

me too

I had one in 1994 or 95

[cerulean elk]

ok here is avery interesting thing

This frame was stuck in the buffer I’d presume upon loading a new game but AFTER DK 64 showed a title screen

Maybe that’s a known thing but I’ve never noticed it

[mild ether]

That's interesting, I wonder where else frames are stored that could be read from.

[cerulean elk]

yeah its interesting just because you can see DK has booted but on what Id presume is some mode switch EP 1 racer was in the pipeline as half a stored frame

[mild ether]

Looks like two different frame buffers, one 8 bit and one 16 bit. Maybe switched after boot screen?

[cerulean elk]

yeah not saying its fundamentally useful info...just the first time I observed it and was intrigued

[mild ether]

I just find it interesting to learn all this new stuff about n64 technically as the core progresses. Probably isn't a problem.

[wanton sun]

yes, it's normal behavior of the scaler. we had this with psx a lot when the resolution changes

i implemented a feature to hide it

of course a fix would be better, but wasn't able to figure out

[native mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PugcxQYJGjs

[wanton sun]

preview for tomorrow:

first shot, still needs to be optimized

off/off -> dither/off -> dither/dedither

[native mesa]

Wow that looks really good

[wanton sun]

can we agree that the SGI devs are great?

[native mesa]

They must have been math wizards

[mild ether]

Yep, they were legendary back in the day. I used to dream about those workstations all the time in the 90s.

[remote hatch]

Looks perfect !

[mild ether]

That cost as much as a house.

[marble cargo]

So will the dither blending be an option, or baked in?

[mild ether]

A nice one at that.

[wanton sun]

all optional. it would be horrible to get these screenshots otherwise 😅

[hollow rune]

This is really great

[cerulean elk]

Guess I finally just caught it in capture. Good to know 🙂

[native mesa]

It kind of reminds me of TF2's 'painterly' aesthetic

[hollow rune]

You know a lot of people talk about the choices made regarding how the N64 renders graphics, but watching this core develop the philosophy of it all really makes more sense than anything I've ever read explaining it

[marble cargo]

Looking forward to the AA implementation in the future too.

[weary palm]

you're so cute

[mild ether]

Definitely makes the n64 more interesting learning about all the technical details about how it actually comes together.

[cerulean elk]

mommy what is that panda doing to that MiSTer

[native mesa]

Can I trouble you for a screenshot of a detailed texture?

[weary palm]

what is that vaseline doing to that panda.

[cerulean elk]

lol gonnna make me do this all over again 🤣

[hollow rune]

I brought it to help with the core. I stole it from the cupboard

It;ll make the AA even better

[daring meteor]

Dedither already, very nice

[native mesa]

glossy

[daring meteor]

What's next on the pipeline? Noise?

[hollow rune]

Thank you

[wanton sun]

hard to find one, haha

[weary palm]

it's the N64 we're talking about, guys

[wanton sun]

maybe this?

[native mesa]

hnnnnngh pump the vaseline in my veins

[weary palm]

L is real 2401

I can read it now

[versed cairn]

Man that looks good

[vapid hawk]

nothing special i don't think, just started it

expansion pak off

[orchid nimbus]

whoever is updating the n64 database will be f-ed

someone decided to truncate half the database

😄 not mentioning any names lol

[weary palm]

IT WAS ME

[orchid nimbus]

^^^ this dude

[hollow rune]

I won't lie this is hard for me to see the difference on. What should I look at?

[orchid nimbus]

look at the wall - banding - dither - smooth (oh that was for the mario screenshot)

[weary palm]

Can't wait, I'm not a huge fan of dithering even if I prefer it over banding.

[hollow rune]

NOw I see it

[orchid nimbus]

..... w t f

[shrewd peak]

Mairo

[orchid nimbus]

Omari

[vapid hawk]

that de-dither looks so goooood 🤤

[weary beacon]

Has there been a new build since gamma update?

[weary palm]

yes

[vapid hawk]

yeah there's one today

[weary beacon]

What does it do?

De dither?

[vapid hawk]

adds downscaling and some new texture modes

fixes a few regressions

[weary beacon]

New texture mods? Downscaling?

How do those work?

[weary palm]

Fixes a few things like Supercross 2000, Rayman 2, 007 TWINE low res mode and DK64 intro.

[worn delta]

If you check the test-builds channel, Robert always has release notes of what is new in his builds

[vapid hawk]

yeah

[weary beacon]

Thanks ill check that out

[hollow rune]

Going through a lot of the older games with errors and a lot of them have been cleaned up

[weary beacon]

@cerulean elk not n64 related but when u mentioned we love katamari as an example of "games as art" it reminded me of a shirt of i have from the Museum of Modern Art featuring katamari artwork

The shirt may still be available on Ubiqlo's site

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/sit-back-relax-sit-back-and-watch-linus-tech-tips-linus-ltt-gif-25675514

[wanton sun]

one last for today then i will be gone, enough screen time today 🙂

[quaint pewter]

Tomrorow can't come soon enough. The dedither looks spectacular.

[wind helm]

what does low res mode mean ?

[wanton sun]

007 TWINE has a low detail mode, which seems to have slightly higher fps and also does double buffer without vsync, so tearing for free fps

[wind helm]

thanks Robert

[cerulean elk]

well thats gonna be hard to articulate with YT compression lol ("just imagine you see something before this got compressed to hell") lolol

[quaint pewter]

you need [EXTREME CLOSE UP] mode activated 🙂

"computer. zoom and enhance"

[cerulean elk]

or

[quaint pewter]

Rayman. Kong and Mario get too much of the limelight 🙂

[cerulean elk]

I mean they do make great faces

[primal bolt]

Dong Konkey

[cerulean elk]

I think Rayman

I dont love the black in DK

[weary palm]

007 Twine with hi color mode looks spectacular

[cerulean elk]

Rayman it is. Will look better / poppier on phones

[knotty zealot]

i don't know what planet you're from but this is earth and here the n64 doesn't look "spectacular"

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-cat-grumpy-cat-angry-upset-gif-3354658

[orchid nimbus]

go away basketcase 😄

[knotty zealot]

what are you, a 1996 video game reviewer?

fine, we'll all meet back here tomorrow to view this "spectacular" game

bring barf bags

[orchid nimbus]

basketcase ~ "a person or thing regarded as useless or unable to cope."
"do that for a couple of days and you become a blithering basket case"

[knotty zealot]

this isn't even my final form

[orchid nimbus]

hahahaha

I swear your address is "Kaigata 3, 9008 Tromsø, Norway"

[weary beacon]

I am one of those

Melodramatic fools

[orchid nimbus]

neurotic to the bone?

no doubt about it

[weary beacon]

No doubt about it!

[orchid nimbus]

you're just paranoid... or just stoned

[knotty zealot]

once jaguar hits we'll really dig down into the ugly side of video game history

[orchid nimbus]

I got a few MSX1 games everyone would like to forget

[knotty zealot]

i'm sure

[weary beacon]

Virtual boy core when

N gage core when

[remote hatch]

Tomorrow

Today

[weary beacon]

Leapster learning system core when

[broken cradle]

I'm down for that

[weary beacon]

original iPhone core when

[broken cradle]

Could touch up on my math

[orchid nimbus]

DFT!!

a=b name A

[broken cradle]

Saturday morning cartoons core please

[orchid nimbus]

DVD player core

[daring meteor]

Can't wait for the Casio FX-9700GB core

[weary beacon]

An original iPod core would probably be easy and amusing (albeit absolutely useless)

[broken cradle]

Honestly a DVD core with scan lines and if you could make the effect of the waves running down distorting the image from time to time would be nice

[native mesa]

SD MKV video player would be nice

[weary beacon]

Yeah a video player would be handy for playing videos on CRTs

At least for me

Ik u can do it in linux on the de10 nano but not in the actual mister software

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRIfDI5_PyQ

I have this in MSU1 format for your snes needs.

[broken cradle]

If the core doesn't do this at random intervals I don't want it

[mild ether]

Indy workstation core would be neat.

[native mesa]

Need DVD screen saver

[pale granite]

Im sure a custom core can be done throwing that at random. Troll edition / fork

[weary beacon]

Damn good idea

Idk if the de 10 could do that though

Pushing the limits with n64 really, right?

https://tenor.com/view/future-ram-ranch-gif-18120355

The world if n64 could handle more color information and higher resolution textures

[fair stump]

This was fun and all but I hate to break it to you guys:

[weary palm]

N64 on DE-10 nano won't happen. Pack up your hopes and dreams and put them in the attic.

[mild ether]

It seems plausible since this core is showing that the CPU is at least doable. Just can't imagine anyone going to all that trouble for something so obscure.

[carmine kettle]

overrated

[weary beacon]

Probably will happen eventually

On the successor platform

[mild ether]

Would be cool to have the workstations of the 90s on FPGA. Sun and SGI.

[weary beacon]

The thing i want most besides this core is something so simple...

A GBA snac adapter!

If i can interface my mister with a gamecube my life will be complete

[weary palm]

What's the lyrics to the 1080 snowboarding intro?

[pale granite]

"got places to go, gotta follow my rainbow"

[languid dune]

Another build today!? 🤘

[worn delta]

I always thought it was "Work your body, work your body... get down!"

[quick arch]

Is Buck Bumble required dedither ? screenshot with all VI options on

[zinc dew]

https://youtu.be/ipGPhpeaBIo?feature=shared

[languid dune]

🎶 I like that baby. I like...I...I...I like that baby. Ride me baby!

1080 rated M confirmed.

[cerulean elk]

DK?

[worn delta]

Oh I thought you meant the rider selection screen, I always skipped so quickly in the intro

[zinc dew]

Kenta Nagata, composer of 1080 and Animal Crossing.

[carmine kettle]

yup lol

[zenith orchid]

Way to go! Though the difference in blur with dedither isn't as bad as I thought, at least not in sm64

[cerulean elk]

I like it for what it is

I just ignore the collecting outside of whats needed to complete the game itself

[zenith orchid]

okay it's noticeable in banjo 😂

[languid dune]

So is today's update the dedither update?

[cerulean elk]

no more of an apparently 25% rewrite of existing VI

[zenith orchid]

according to the release notes in #test-builds there is no mention of dedither

[languid dune]

Yeah, I read the notes, but just wasn't sure what they meant. 😅

[cerulean elk]

they said "Milwaukee Sucks. Go to a real city like Chicago"

[languid dune]

Hey, at least we're in the MLB playoffs!

[orchid nimbus]

tomorrow

[zenith orchid]

no code words for dedither, if it's not in the notes, it's safe to say it's not in the update 😉

[languid dune]

But I like code words...

[zenith orchid]

Well, you could say that most of the notes are a long convoluted code phrase for an issue related to downscaling being fixed 😄

[languid dune]

Could you upload at 4K to reduce the compression?

[cerulean elk]

it still just crushes it

and I am not perfectly set up to capture content at 4K currently. Maybe in the future but I haven't seen the value in the increased file sizes / equipment costs / upload times

[languid dune]

(Shakes fist at Youtube!)

[zenith orchid]

@languid dune the cause of this issue is the one that was fixed today

and several other related issues

[quick arch]

Donadl Duck Goin' Quackers is not center like Banjo Kazooie

[zenith orchid]

@languid dune Robert explains the situation here

[weary palm]

Confession time. I've never managed to make a 1080 in 1080.

[fair stump]

Bottom of the 9th still has E004800 if that's what you're looking for

[modern sleet]

I need to check this later to see how they both scale to real hardware. But its a know issues

[quick arch]

I will check if I could find others to have more than those cases thanks !

[daring meteor]

Bottom of the 9th, thanks, does ir have any visible errors?

Ah nvm that's YUV

Opening FMV

[quick arch]

The gamma helps a lot for Last Legion UX before it was very dark

[drowsy lantern]

Whoa looks amazing! 😍 Looks like all that's pretty much missing is anti-aliasing?

[native mesa]

Not sure if gamma dither is applied yet, but yeah AA, and Divot

"GAMMA_DITHER_ENABLE: Adds randomized noise to the video output, in the least significant bits to remove mach banding artifacts"

Sounds like another layer of dither

[brisk drum]

But does he actually drink pepsi ? Or have Pepsi branded accessories ?

[daring meteor]

No gamma dither yet

[fair sequoia]

Does the latest N64 have color composite output?

[native mesa]

There is a YC build

[lament escarp]

Is he still hissing a lot?

[wanton sun]

gamma dither is not implemented and i can hardly make myself do that...all it does is add random noise to the image. Who wants that?

[brisk drum]

You can take the cat out of the streets of Chicago but you can’t take the streets out of the cat

[native mesa]

The same people who want vaseline smear I'd imagine 🙂 lol

[brisk drum]

Personally I would love to be able to play castlevania 64 during scary season

[native mesa]

I don't know. is there an example of it?

[brisk drum]

But I’m happy with all we got so whatever you decide to do I’ll gladly test

[lament escarp]

That would be awesome but probably not realistic as it's tlb

[brisk drum]

I know … but a man can dream

[lament escarp]

Is legacy of darkness actually an improved port of castlevania 64 or a whole different game? Was never really sure about that.

[brisk drum]

Improved port and new character

[weary beacon]

https://mattpierce.info/n64-dither

[native mesa]

I got my girlfriend SOTN for spooky season the PS4 version because I didn't want to give up my MiSTer

[tulip coral]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg-gif-15130785

[cerulean elk]

No. Total lap cat

Dude can’t get enough of just turning into a bagel shape and lying there hanging out. Throw him on his back and scratch his belly and he purrs like a two stroke engine. Cat is super dog like

[cerulean elk]

N64 was so devoid of proper horror games

Nightmare creatures works…but that’s Nightmare Creatures

[native mesa]

Sounds like he likes the warm. They have warm pads for cats to lay on.

[brisk drum]

Word!

[weary beacon]

scooby doo! resident evil 2

[lament escarp]

Damn I really wanna go out and nap a cat now. But the neighbors are always watching...

[bitter copper]

Dont get it? Is the n64 core not possible on mister anymore?

[lament escarp]

We're just a rp community who enjoys pretending we're playing n64 on mister.

[remote hatch]

what is Mister ? what is N64 ?

[cerulean elk]

Do it. Who cares. I’d my neighbors see me doing something weird that’s that’s problem 🤣 I’ll take a nap on our shared backyard space whenever

[drowsy lantern]

In StarFox 64, the level Aquos Ocean absolutely needs the gamma correction. You can't see shit without it. It's almost all pitch black.

[cerulean elk]

A miserable little pile of secrets

Haircut achieved. Back to working on videos

[wanton sun]

what is opensource may never die, so no, we can't make it not possible anymore 🙂

[lament escarp]

This reminds me of the 1 day am2r officially existed. What a great day.

[wanton sun]

we have a little incident today: 4 player mario party, middle of the action someone accidentially pressed the OSD button. All players pressed "A" a couple of times like normal in a minigame. You can guess what happened. Now the most important question: how to prevent it from happening in the future? (only solution currently: make it harder to press the button by using a combo, but that's annoying)

[drowsy lantern]

Controllers that didn't open the OSD shouldn't have control in the OSD?

[wanton sun]

they do

[orchid nimbus]

they should not

[lament escarp]

You have a nso n64 right? I've mapped it to r2 on the back of it, it's not really in a position to get accidentally pressed

[weary beacon]

I use a mini wireless keyboard. my controllers can't access the menu at all.

[daring meteor]

Disable the OSD button entirely

[wanton sun]

yes we use NSo controllers, have the home button mapped to it. No idea how it happened, but well, cannot blame anyone, it can happen

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/ptdr-gif-24578939

Can you disable it

[mortal panther]

Make the controller that opened the OSD be the only one to have inputs accepted from until the OSD is closed.

[orchid nimbus]

it's not a party untill someone reloads the ROM

[night saddle]

there is an OSD lock function ini setting now

; code if less than osd_lock_time seconds have passed since the OSD was closed.
; set to 0 for manual lock from OSD
osd_lock_time=5 ```

[lament escarp]

Maybe a feature so you have to keep menu pressed for 3-5 seconds would help?

[mortal panther]

Yep, just like how the Cold Reboot function is triggered in the OSD.