Nintendo 64

[slate sundial]

that would completely eliminate banding, so you could disable dither, and de-dither blurring.

fingers crossed

[weary beacon]

OoT is actually my favorite game ever so I've beaten it a handful of times already, but thank you so much!!

[weary beacon]

Thats the dream

[manic basin]

As long as it's not set to its actual save, it boots I think. I haven't tested them all.

(See linked Robert explanation above for why)

Boot timing is funky

[worn delta]

Is this something that needs amended/added to the official .txt DB?

[slate sundial]

same here, neck and neck with FFVII

[manic basin]

Not sure, because it would be inaccurate....but it would get it booting.

[zinc dew]

this is weird I’m gonna see if this saves

[manic basin]

I got it to save by swapping back and forth really quick after boot. But then it wiped when I changed savetypes.

[left depot]

@weary palm Default was EEPROM for English translation patch 1.2 (no boot)

[manic basin]

Same with Waeleilei (sp?) golf.

[zinc dew]

Yah not saving

how weird

[fair stump]

Wae-la-li-lu-le-lo

[manic basin]

Sou desune.

[zinc dew]

Thanks btw for explaining it

Forgot to say that

[manic basin]

No worries. It enhances WR so much to have rumble, I really hope it can be addressed by the register reinit.

[manic basin]

I just realized that is kind of a pun

[orchid nimbus]

Megapuddy!

[left depot]

It is completely definitive. My first time playing it right now

[left depot]

The warm up cracks me up. "Chase the dolphin for 5 seconds!"

[manic basin]

Nintendo and its Dolphins.

[left depot]

/Blue Oceans

Soundtrack on this version is noticeably more spicy, and the announcer has more to say which is ALWAYS a good thing

[dreamy kayak]

Yay for VI!

[brisk drum]

Yeah SF VI RULES!

[hearty oar]

we're talking about the text editor of course

<insert hilarious and original joke about not being able to exit vi>

[native mesa]

Why did the programmer throw a party inside vi?

Because they heard it was hard to exit, so they decided to make it a "never-ending" bash! 🎉😄

[manic basin]

I stopped at 'bang'

[dense wagon]

excuse my ignorance but what is the VI addition today?

[brisk drum]

Hold the Vaseline memes and gifs please ..

[brisk drum]

I believe VI stands for visual interface .. it amounts to smoother graphics and a more genuine look

[dense wagon]

haha well i mean i needed vaseline after the last gif i dared to post lol

ah cool 🙂

[manic basin]

Especially on crts or with filters. Helps the look a ton on 3D games.

[iron dove]

*without filters?

[chilly ember]

Filters on crts

I'm kidding, don't do that. It's awful

[iron dove]

I thought he might have meant the VI blur helps when on CRT (no scaler/filters) or HDMI without filters

but im prob just misreading 🙂

[manic basin]

No, with filters on LCD, or on CRT. To me. Everyone has different opinions though. Raw RGB, generally, I prefer it off.

More shadow masks than filters.

But I generically refer to all of that as 'filters'. No EXTRA blur for sure.

[iron dove]

im confusing myself them, so you mean VI effects are especially useful on CRT or with filters?

not a query of preference, im just a derp and misunderstood 🙂

ie I'd have thought having filters/a crt's blur would reduce the need for the VI blur

[fiery grove]

Quick Question: this build includes the @lone geyser and @bronze tree fix for the analog sticks or is another fix?:
#unstable-nightlies message

[iron dove]

Yep that's the one

that sets the limited range needed by N64
If using an NSO controller theres also the unstable zImage_dtb with the driver that enables USB operations and rumble

[fiery grove]

thanks

and another question (sorry i was off for a week)

if i add this to the downloader.ini
[n64_dev]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/db/db.json.zip

i just need to run the downloader script and it will download everything for the n64 core? (latest build and n64 database)

[iron dove]

yep it gets the latest core and DB, doesnt get the unstable main or zimage_dtb

[fiery grove]

thanks

i'll try and update everything

[iron dove]

Robby keeps the pins in this channel up to date with latest links/info 🙂

Hmm, the link in the pins to the unstable main looks to be missing a 2 at the end

<#unstable-nightlies message> vs
<#unstable-nightlies message>

The "Download the latest unstable “MiSTer” to adjust the analog stick range to match an original N64 controller -" link in pinned post #1096015979055697940 message

@zinc dew

[manic basin]

@cerulean elk Don't forget to wake up Billie Joe Armstrong tomorrow.

[dreamy kayak]

https://x.com/quest64official/status/1708321871517642859?s=46

Quest 64 Official (@Quest64Official)

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Twitter · Oct 1, 2023, 3:24 AM

[chilly ember]

No fatality? 😮

Also that d series is dope. I got a silver one too

[deft tree]

I lucked out on it, it was 10 min down the road

[chilly ember]

Same, except mine was 5 mins down the road. Haven't seen one again since

[dense wagon]

Flipping Codeine... lol I recall feeling a bit unwell at uni, taking a cold remedy (a lemsip for those in the UK) which has Paracetamol in it. I go home to my parents, am like "Yeah so i feel a bit crap, massive headache, im going to bed" My mum gives me co-codamol for the headache... stupidly i didnt tell her id already had paracetamol.
Co-codamol is a mix of Paracetamol and Codeine...

I woke up... roughly 28 hours later haha

[chilly ember]

Then you played daikatana?

[dense wagon]

Parental units just you know... kept making sure i was still breathing haha

Isn't the solution to Daikatana just... more Codeine?

[chilly ember]

Probably have more fun

[dense wagon]

haha

[deft tree]

theres another one that came up like 2 months ago... i need to message them and see if they still have it

need some garage space tho

but the matched pair would be unbeatable

[worldly quartz]

So fun toggling filters

[deft tree]

imagine if TATEd one

[dense wagon]

Daikatana was always a game i wanted to play back in the day, looked really cool - i never did, but then doing a bit of retro spin on youtube i then found out all the things wrong with it haha

[chilly ember]

Good idea, i got two d series in span of a month and never saw any ever again

[deft tree]

I have a 32 D also but its dim

[chilly ember]

There are much worse games on n64 but its very mediocre and a let down with all the hype

My 27 inch silver d series has a weird green on solid black screens. Probably got used too much

Back in the day my sister had a crt that she used so much that green stopped displaying properly all together lol

[mellow path]

Finished every temple, collected every fairy, 90% of the heart pieces. Just gotta beat the Moon and Majora is completed on the core. I'm not gonna 100 percent but I think it's a good sign that it could be 100p completable.

[chilly ember]

Much more than what I was gonna do if i finished majora's mask. I was gonna only going to get to the moon if i played through it. Good job, i can't wait to finish a play through

It should be 100% completable. I didn't 100% ocarina of time but i finished the game and didn't have a single crash.

[wanton sun]

actually i should have checked better. Divot is not average as i thought, but median. So it doesn't blur, just picks a different pixel in some cases (repair after AA)

[zenith orchid]

Huh, then where does most of the blur come from, is it dedither?

[wanton sun]

dedither and bilinear scaling

[inner garden]

latest core, played Mario Kart 64, Donkey Kong, 100 cc, mushroom cup. A lot of times the music cut out @wanton sun in case you haven’t heard that one

[wanton sun]

no i didn't, is that reproduceable in mk64?

[zenith orchid]

Got it.. Bilinear scaling looks find though, hmm I might have to choose one or the other, because my original N64 seems unnecessarily blurry

Nah, you can't go without bilinear scaling, not when you have sky boxes and floors

[wanton sun]

dithering and texture filtering is applied in the RDP, so long before any VI processing

[slate sundial]

Elf (will Ferrell movie) is based on OOT, I'm sure of it..

As children Elf and Link are both made to live in a land, and with elvish looking people, not their own.

The local people stay small / do not grow.

Yet, Elf / Link both DO grow, and are treated somewhat as an outsider by the locals, as they are now too big

Both dress as green elves

As children, Elf's and Link's mothers die.

Upon reaching "full size" both Elf and Link are sent upon an adventure in the "big adult world".

OOT 1998
Elf 2003

[zealous hull]

is there a particular course? Testing it now, so far it's fine for me.

EDIT: take it back. about half a second did cut out first course in mushroom cup, going to test others

[mellow path]

Yeah, no crashes here either.

[wanton sun]

maybe you hit the L button while driving?

[inner garden]

seems like it happens often. Just did 100 cc special chip with Luigi and music drops out or so quiet I can’t hear it

[inner garden]

what’s that do

[wanton sun]

toggle music volume

[inner garden]

what the

[wanton sun]

if it gets quiet also , this makes sense

[inner garden]

that’s a feature of the game?

[wanton sun]

yes

[inner garden]

interesting

in theory I didn’t press L

[chilly ember]

Link worked for Santa confirmed

[inner garden]

but it’s possible

I’ll try again later

[wanton sun]

do sounds play and only music stops?

[inner garden]

yeah

[wanton sun]

then i'm 99% sure that is the reason

n64 only has 1 sound device, so if there was a bug, it would mute everything

today i learned the attract mode can do 4 player splitscreen with music and 30fps, but ingame they turn music off and run it at 20fps

[gray surge]

Question. Just to see if I remember my stuff from computer architecture and OS development. The TLB is related to virtual memory mapping right?

[wanton sun]

yes

[gray surge]

Is there documentation anywhere about what makes it challenging to implement? I'm not asking because I doubt anyone's abilities. I just want to understand better =). I'm knowledgable on the software side of things, but the hardware side of things is where I lack a bit.

[wanton sun]

what is challenging about TLB is only the implementation in our "slow" FPGA, not the TLB itself

in my emulator i added it in 2 days

[gray surge]

Oh. I see. That makes sense.

[wanton sun]

it's not that difficult: 32 entry table with pages that map to a different area. On memory access check which entry in your virtual address maps to one of these pages, then add the offset from the table and go on. If it's not in the table, raise exception(like interrupt). done

[gray surge]

Okay, not too different from what I remember learning =).

[inner garden]

very curious why Yoshi’s Story looks like hall of mirrors

[wanton sun]

if i add it that simple in the FPGA however, it will cost like 10% of the FPGA and the max cpu clock falls down to 62.5 or even lower

[inner garden]

any way to have it per game be a minimal subset?

[wanton sun]

the main reason i shift it to a later point, is that it will make CPU routing even more difficult, making it impossible to add probes to the cpu, so i cannot debug CPU bugs anymore

[gray surge]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm absolutely not asking "why not do it now". I am just amazed with everything you're doing and want to understand it better =).

[wanton sun]

so don't expect it before all non-tlb games more or less run good

no worries 🙂

[gray surge]

Could I ask you a question @wanton sun developer to developer?

[wanton sun]

i already have some ideas on how to implement it effieciently, but still it will be on the currently critical path

[gray surge]

As a developer, I often have periods of time where I lack motivation. And then sometimes, like you I just feel endless motivation and I can work on a big project for months on end. How do you manage to keep so laser focused? And what do you do if you feel that lack of motivation sinking in?

And I understand if that's too personal of a question.

[wanton sun]

if you look back in the github history, you will find that i'm not always focussed: i leave some task for a while and do something else. That's the good part about such a huge system: if one task is boring or annoying, there are enough others 🙂

[maiden wyvern]

Find the right project

[gray surge]

That makes sense. Maybe I just get burned out when I work on something for too long. The Zelda 2 Randomizer I wrote really took the piss out of me. And since one already exists, no one really seemed to care so I just lost motivation. Maybe it's time to shelve it and work on something else XD.

I can always come back to it. Anyways, sorry for going off topic XD. I've just always admired your tireless work ethic.

[zenith orchid]

The answer is literally in his name 😄

[gray surge]

FPGA for fun right?

If my German is still good.

[zenith orchid]

Yep, and it's also how he picks the cores he works on.

He would pick something "impossible", if it's fun 😄

[gray surge]

I definitely do what I do for fun. I need to stop looking for validation though. That sucks the fun out of it.

I just wanted to see if I could do a Zelda 2 Randomizer that is deterministically completable in one pass instead of just throwing stuff at the wall until it sticks like the current one. And I was successful. Just need to randomize palaces now and I almost have feature parity.

[zenith orchid]

Dude that is awesome!!

I love Zelda 2, I haven't looked into randomizers for it

[maiden wyvern]

Got a link?

[gray surge]

Yeah =). Hold on.

https://z2r-react.web.app/

[vague sun]

Not core related, but a good watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4SxPDQcG_k

[maiden wyvern]

GitHub? Be cool to see how it works

[zenith orchid]

Bahahahaha, that first screenshot

[gray surge]

Yeah. Lemme grab it.

https://github.com/deusprogrammer/zelda2-randomizer-react

[zenith orchid]

Well, I did put a shortcut to the link on my desktop.

[gray surge]

There's still a bit of clean up to be done. But I'm pleased with it so far.

Yeah, give a go sometime. Let me know if you find any bugs.

[maiden wyvern]

Even though it's open source. You have to market yourself a bit at the start. Or nobody will ever find it

Users are a great motivator

[hearty oar]

Respect to anyone that can program any kind of sizeable application in JS, I can’t do it without a language with compile time type checking…

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I saw this a while back. Apparently sega turned down the opportunity to work with sgi, and nintendo capitalized on it.

[gray surge]

@hearty oar I used to hate JS. And then I became an apologist for it.

@hearty oar Languages like C, Golang, and Rust will always have my heart though.

@hearty oar And this project forced me to learn 6502 Assembly to figure out why room exits worked a certain way, so that was fun =).

Anyways, I took things WAY off topic. I apologize.

[zenith orchid]

Well, we're on the topic of Robert's mantra

so, kinda on topic? 😄

[hearty oar]

I’m a C++ apologist, so I can’t talk

[zenith orchid]

Anyway, feel free to start a discord and invite some of us so we can follow your progress. also post about your progress on relevent forums or reddit

[chilly ember]

Your guy's topic is more interesting than my ai generated Einstein holding an N64 controller so continue

[zenith orchid]

🤣

He broke it!

what an asshole

[gray surge]

@hearty oar So I am curious to see if we see eye to eye...what are your thoughts on Objective C? I feel like it's C with disassociative identity disorder.

[zenith orchid]

Is that something people still talk about?

[gray surge]

They just took Small Talk and C and smashed them together. C++ at least tried to have cohesive syntax.

[zenith orchid]

I'm not sure if this counts

[hearty oar]

It’s that thing that I have to use at work to interface with the Metal API. It has a lot of square brackets in odd places. I try not to think about it

[gray surge]

And I would love to do that =). I have a Discord for some of my other projects. I will have to make one for my randomizer.

@hearty oar Yeah. When I first started messing with Swift and I still had to dip into Objective C from time to time, it hurt my head.

[zenith orchid]

Are your projects so different that you have separate discords for them? 😄

[vapid moat]

I'd like to know too

[gray surge]

I guess not. It's just that I had a Twitch Tool Suite called Streamcrabs that I had a separate Discord for so people could submit trouble tickets and feature requests.

Same for the What the Dub/Rifftrax Clip Editor.

(Ultimately that one moved to the Wide Right Studios Discord though, so that ones gone now)

[inner garden]

Wave Fox 64

[gray surge]

Wave Dash Fox 64

[inner garden]

Snowboard Yoshis

[chilly ember]

Skiing*

[inner garden]

finally

Super Smash Turtles

[zenith orchid]

anyway, when you have a consolidated discord where you share your progress on your projects let me know.

I'll probably try out your randomizer tomorrow afternoon

[chilly ember]

Asked the ai to generate Robert but it gave me Robby instead

[gray surge]

@zenith orchid Sent you a DM because I'm not sure what the self promo rules are here.

[zenith orchid]

yeah that's fine, thanks!

[slate sundial]

dunno if this happens on original hardware or not...

[chilly ember]

I saw some of that on daikatana models, probably something not fully implemented or a bug i suppose

Or not enough vaseline

Not as noticeable but at the end of ths clip you can see a green pixel on the hand

[half venture]

is this a JVC consumer TV?

[wild ruin]

sorry to disturb….can I bother someone for help with first time core play? I have the core on mister_console folder, can see it when it’s booting the GUI. Once the core loads, from the menu I can see the ‘load x. n64, z64…. etc’ but once I choose one of my .z64 roms the PVM screen goes from “RGB No sync” to “RGB 480/60I” but the screen is black.
I feel like it’s either a video signal issue or I’m missing a file to boot roms properly but I followed instructions online so it shouldn’t be the case…..

oh… CRTs are not supported? 😭

[slate sundial]

this is a Panasonic 4k TV, with my filter preset

[slate sundial]

try disabling VI "off"

[slate sundial]

I believe VI adjusts the N64 output resolution, and this might be causing issues on some CRTs

[wild ruin]

do I need a reboot? I reset and loaded the rom but no luck even with VI off

nada 😭

[iron dove]

Are you using robert's release or MikeS's YC version?
https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/raw/main/_YCConsole/N64YCBeta_20230930.rbf

[wild ruin]

#test-builds message

from test builds, latest message

[iron dove]

I reckon give MikeS's version a try

its desiged for yc(s-video) and composite but he mentioned it may help with timing for other analog output types also

[wild ruin]

ok will give it a try! thank you

I also saw an interesting msg here https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=6947&start=60

On my part the CRT support works damn well already, which is quite surprising just by adding a few lines to the the mister.ini from FPGA64 link:
[N64]
vscale_mode=1
vga_scaler=1
video_mode=320,8,32,24,240,4,3,16,6048
from Neocaron

[iron dove]

that's connecting the scaler for analog out instead of 'direct' output from the core, will likely also work

[wild ruin]

maybe it’s because the PVM is ntscJ?

(goes to unscrew the mister again 🙄)

[iron dove]

analog out on the main test builds isnt a focus currently, so you can use that in your ini to use the scaler (normally just used for HDMI) for analog out, or try mikes's build of the core

[wild ruin]

let me give mike’s build a try. Been dying to spend my sunday reminiscing the good old N64+CRT days

[iron dove]

Do you have the N64-database.txt and boot.rom in the /games/N64 folder along with roms? If not see the pinned posts, you can configure update_all to get it all for you

[rose elbow]

N64 Ocarina on crt is looking so nice 😭 👌 i know the core isn't 100%.. but i think it's also the direct out nature of the mister compared to using an Nintendo 64 with s-video, it's so dang sharp and colourful and 'perfect'

[chilly ember]

I can't wait for tlb and proper analog support for the core so I can put conker in the club on a crt with component. Video with s video on real hardware on a JVC D Series

Sorry crappy vertical phone footage 🙃

[wild ruin]

other than z64 roms I have the boot.bin (2KB) and the info.plist

so… guess not! 😰

[iron dove]

see the pinned post for how to configure update_all to get the database along with the latest test build
enable bios DB option in update_all settings to get the pif files for each region (boot.rom, boot1.rom)

[wild ruin]

got the N64-database.txt from vampier.net

just missing the pif/boot.rom

[iron dove]

either obtain yourself using hashes provided on vamp's FAQ or enable bios DB option in update_all (press up after starting the script)

[wild ruin]

ok @iron dove progress!! TY so much

[chilly ember]

Raised the iso and filmed in landscape instead. Little better. Real hardware video of conkers bad fur day over s video on JVC D Series CRT

[wild ruin]

so I boot SM64, see the booting logo and heat “it’s me, Mario!” but then ☠️

[iron dove]

see the pins 🙂

[chilly ember]

Need the no face patch

[iron dove]

you need to patch mario to remove the distortable face at the start

[wild ruin]

oh 😓

sorry

[iron dove]

that face uses a feature that isnt implemented in the core yet, the rest of the game runs great

[chilly ember]

Search from yxkalle in discord with get them while they last

[iron dove]

use https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/ to patch the rom, link to the patches is in the pins

[chilly ember]

Think vampier's site doesn't have non level select patches

[wild ruin]

getting distracted with wave race

cannot believe what I am seeinng

thanks guys

[iron dove]

no probs 🙂

[wild ruin]

@/fpgazumspass thanks for all your hard work

the stereo on the L channel jumps up and down a bit, probably a known issue

[wanton sun]

no, it's a bug in the 2 pass rendering of the RDP, i need to fix it at some point. plenty of games have it

(i will finished VI first, so it smears it out and you will not notice it as much anymore 😛 )

[hollow rune]

@sinful kayak also spotted this

[lament escarp]

So what's todays vi feature? 😄

[chilly ember]

Decided to try MikeS build on the crt over component for the first time. Yea I guess it looks pretty good

[odd vector]

Is MikeS build related to the analog io or only to direct video?

[chilly ember]

I'm using analog io and I wanna say it's an analog io thing but someone can correct me if I'm wrong

[odd vector]

Okay, if i encounter any issues I may try it. Thanks!

[rose elbow]

i've either forgotten over the years, or simply never realized that Ocarina of time had rumble

[odd vector]

Thats why the stone exists

[rose elbow]

i don't think the Wii VC version had rumble, and the 3DS version didn't have rumble. and i always kinda assumed rumble was limited to the Stone of Agony

i was surprised to realize the game just had standard rumble

i dont think as a kid i ever bothered playing with the rumble pack in :P

i am shocked LOOOL

[chilly ember]

Shook

[iron dove]

It's for analog IO (as well)
It enables s-video/composite out, and my understanding is it also has some timing changes that may benefit rgb/component

[weary beacon]

@wanton sun just out of curiosity, how far are we from a stable release? The core looks pretty progressed.

[compact depot]

Probably after TLB

[worldly quartz]

Kinda curious what magic he will do with tlb to make it fit and be cycle accurate due to restrictions

[remote hatch]

Probably it will be like with PSX, core will be complete, then eliminate as many bugs as possible and then stable release

[weary beacon]

Probably, probably?

[remote hatch]

Yeah , probably 😆

[hollow rune]

I am not sure what more you could want

[weary beacon]

I was hoping for an answer from Robert. But ok i just take your not involved words for granted.

[hollow rune]

Maybe he will give you the info you need. Have you been enjoying the test builds?

[remote hatch]

you are a serious man I see 🙂

[wanton sun]

I can't say yet. It's kind of personal preference i guess. From my side, i would like to complete all the main features first

that's not a timeline, i know, but i can't say better for now

[weary beacon]

Thanks Robert

[weary beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-23918002

[remote hatch]

Well, maybe not very serious 🙂

[limber willow]

does it make a difference if it's marked as 'stable' though?

had a good multiplayer Mario Party over 20-turns over the weekend

[hollow rune]

yeah I am playing OoT right now, and it is fantastic

Couple little issues

[limber willow]

cool, I'll have to try OOT

[hollow rune]

I never played it on NSO but it must be better than that. Feels better than playing on Gamecube for sure

[shell cloak]

I played OoT at a friends house in 1999, on Wii VC, NSO and now Mister. This is the closest to my 1998 memories.

[hollow rune]

I cannot get rumble to work though. In general i mean. I know you need the stone of agony for it in Zelda

[shell cloak]

Also, I’m team Vaseline confirmed

[hollow rune]

I think it will look great

I am curious how exactly it is going to work. Does it just take another pass in rendering the image and tries blend colors from neighboring pixels?

[fair stump]

Rumble isn't working for you?

[hollow rune]

no. I assume on Star Fox it just works if I have it set up in the OSD

[worldly quartz]

Is mister unstable fetch part of n64 script?

[hollow rune]

I tried it with an 8bitdo pad wired.

I can try a Pro Controller if that is more reliable

[fair stump]

In OoT it works even in the first screen. You roll into the wall of his room and it should rumble

Rumble pack selected of course, right?

[hollow rune]

yeah let me try again

nothing

let me switch controllers

[limber willow]

Rumble isn't working for me with the 8bitdo PCB NSO mode, Mister_Unstable

to choose NSO mode, you just slip the little switch on the rumble pack thing to NS right?

[fair stump]

I think people have said use d input mode for rumble with some controllers

[lethal wren]

X-input at my side yes

[fair stump]

Like for my 8bitdo, it's the start + X combo

[grave island]

PSX was in a better state than N64 at a time it was still not moved to official release, so I'd imagine Robert would do the same with N64. Wait until all the main features are implemented and all the top games people care about can be played to completion.

No need to rush a release.

[trim seal]

Part of Vampier's script, yes.

[hollow rune]

via bluetooth?

[fair stump]

Yeah

[iron dove]

I think rumble on the 8bitdo mod PCB might also need the driver from the unstable zImage_dtb: #unstable-nightlies message

like the official nso controller does

[limber willow]

thanks, I'll try that

[hollow rune]

works with another one of my controllers

Thank you

SN30 Pro

[fair stump]

I quick Googled it, it is x input mode on start + X

[hollow rune]

That explains why my lite 2 wont do it. It just has switch and D mode

[hasty kayak]

Unfortunately the 8BitDo Mod has issues even with that driver.

1. It sync's up fine 1st time you do it, when you next power up the MiSTer and the Controller, it looks like it has connected but the Controller is unresponsive.... I have to re-sync it AGAIN.

2. Even when it is sync'd up and working, the C-Buttons are not working properly. I think specifically C-Down and C-Left don't work despite being mapped correctly within the Core.

However, when the controller is in its D-Mode (rather than S-Mode [Nintendo Switch Mode]), it works fine minus any Rumble regardless of Drivers.

[hollow rune]

I am guessing this is handled through MiSTer itself. Does that mean that other modes might have rumble opened up. Or could rumble work wired?

[hasty kayak]

So I will say right now I don't recommend the 8BitDo kit if you want Rumble. If you are fine without it, then its ok to use in D-Mode and will work well.

[weary beacon]

Did i rush or did i just ask out of curiosity because the core is getting done so fast?

[iron dove]

bummer. seemed it worked for Quirrin (in psx core at least): #1096015979055697940 message

[hasty kayak]

I will try it again with the new File

I haven't tried it today.

[grave island]

I'm saying no need on his part to rush anything. We are probably still a good while before a public release, since there is still a good portion of games that don't even boot.

[weary beacon]

I never rushed.

✌️

[grave island]

Well until then, keep enjoying the test builds. Still fun to be had.

[hasty kayak]

Nah even with the new zImage_dtb file the 8BitDo Mod Kit doesn't work properly in S-Mode.

Its not even registering Up and Down on the Analog Stick... Only Left and Right. Yes Rumble works but its no good when half the other things don't work properly.

And STILL when you Shutdown the MiSTer and the Controller and then start them both back-up again.... The Controller is unresponsive and you can't navigate the Menu's... you have to Pair the Controller up again.....

[hollow rune]

i think the best controller conversation is going to be complicated with this core

[native mesa]

OEM + raphnet has been good

[hasty kayak]

Its a shame the Rumble doesn't work with D-Mode (D-Input).

If I use my Dual Shock 4, the Rumble works a treat.

[native mesa]

I have an 8bitdo mod kit coming some time this week

[hasty kayak]

There is no Firmware Updates (yet) for the 8BitDo Kit

[hearty oar]

I've been using NSO, original pad via reflex adaptor and GCN pad, I think the answer to which is best is it depends

[native mesa]

8bitdo gang

[hasty kayak]

I have their NES and SNES kits too and they are fantastic.

[native mesa]

Honestly it's been great timing for the N64 one

[hearty oar]

GCN isn't too bad for some games, depending on how they use the c buttons, and it rumbles nicely

[hollow rune]

I was wondering if they would rumble

[native mesa]

Does the 4 player USB port for switch work on mister?

[hollow rune]

I was curious how having the controllers wired changes things

[hearty oar]

NSO is very authentic, wireless and has a very precise stick, and also rumbles very authentically to the OG pak, but I could actually notice the lag for Smash at least

[limber willow]

Hey did something change with the CRT setup between the 20230925 and 20230930 cores?
The latest one doesn't work properly via RGB on my CRT.
Colors are all wrong, doesn't sync properly, etc

p.s. yeah, 8bitdo controller is having the sync issue with that driver, I'll just live without Rumble for now

[native mesa]

This thing?

[hearty oar]

yeah that's what I've been using, the Wii U version

[native mesa]

I think it's identical to switch one

Does it support all 4 controllers?

I have one may try

[hollow rune]

I do too, and four controllers

[hearty oar]

it does, you just need the unstable linux kernel (any, I merged a patch with the driver for it a while back)

[neat sierra]

I was playing yesterday on crts no issue (shifted left I think but that’s it). I updated before playing

[native mesa]

Yes sync is off with new res. It will be fixed in next build or use the YC build

[mild ether]

Oh there is a yc build already?

[limber willow]

Thanks. I'll wait, don't have a YC cable

[native mesa]

I'm gonna roll the dice and guess it will be 2 features, gamma and divot

[limber willow]

Yeah, mine is too, I think my 20L5 is fussy with things like this

[native mesa]

It works without. I'm using YPbPr

[lament escarp]

I have the modkit and never had issues with the c-buttons in s mode, the pairing issues I can confirm though.

[limber willow]

Oh cool, where do I find this build?

[native mesa]

YC build in the pins

[zinc dew]

Thank you, fixed.

[mild ether]

I completely missed this.

[native mesa]

Make sure the download is more than 200kb. Downloading from the git repo can be womky

[neat sierra]

Yeah I just checked, both my consumer TVs were fine with it, so were the jvc pvms and the 2030 & 14m2u. However the 1942qs wouldn’t sync. Consumer TVs FTW

[limber willow]

3.5mb for me

[native mesa]

My Trinitron wouldnt

[limber willow]

Consumer TVs FTW in general for the N64. For this particular console, I like how it looks better on them

20L5 is fussy. I always struggle trying to get my 3080TI to output 480p to it with a YPbPr converter lol

[neat sierra]

My trinitron is RGB modded but yeah must be the jungle sync processing

[hasty kayak]

What about your Analog Stick? Have you tried it in the Controller Tester? Mine only moves Left and Right in S Mode. Up and Down do not work.

[zinc dew]

It might be the easiest actually. Just whatever feels the most like the original n64 controller.

[lament escarp]

Nope. Using the latest unstable kernel + unstable main. In s mode I configured only 1st stick, as the c buttons are actual buttons in smode.

As opposed to configuring the c buttons as 2nd stick, as you would do in dinput mode

[limber willow]

YC build is perfect, thanks. I like the new filtering

[limber willow]

My 8bitdo pcb/mod work in control test, same as my OG n64. S mode

(with the stable mister_main, the values are wrong for the stick, but unstable it's fine)

[hasty kayak]

For me Up and Down on the Analog stick do not work. I can't see where I have gone wrong? [in S-Mode]. In D-Mode it works perfectly fine just with no Rumble.

[lament escarp]

As I said, I just configured it in main and than in the core, but the stick isn't configured in the core so that shouldn't make a difference.

[limber willow]

That's what I did as well

[hasty kayak]

Ok so when you configure Up, Down, Left and Right you use the Left Sitck (in MiSTer Main)?

[lament escarp]

Nah just for stick 1

[hasty kayak]

(Not Left Stick, the Analog Stick)

[zinc dew]

No, that’s only for d-pad.

You do not configure the analog stick at all.

[hasty kayak]

Ok I am at a loss....

[zinc dew]

Analog stick is configured only in the MiSTer main menu.

Stick 1 is what the core uses

[hasty kayak]

Ok that is what I was getting at.

[limber willow]

analoge stick in mister menu

there's nowhere to configure analogue in the core, it just works

[zinc dew]

Correct

[limber willow]

once setup in mister menu

[zinc dew]

Sorry for the confusion

[lament escarp]

But even in main you configure right and down on the first stick, so you should see if mister reads the stick up and down.

[zinc dew]

The core instructions should be updated at a later point to be more obvious. It’s not just you.

[hasty kayak]

Ok that has got it working (configuring it in MiSTer Main)

So at least that will work even though I have to keep Re-Pairing the controller upon boot up.

[zinc dew]

Yeah, that’s an issue with both the 8BitDo mod and the NSO N64 controller.

[hasty kayak]

The only problem is the D-Pad now doesn't work in the MiSTer Menu.. 😦

[zinc dew]

I’m sure it’ll get solved at some point.

[zinc dew]

You also configure the d-pad in MiSTer main

[hasty kayak]

hmmm ok

[lament escarp]

Pro tip: the mister sees the dinput mode and s mode as to separate controllers. I have both setup, dinput for casual no rumble gaming and s mode for when I'm really serious.

[hasty kayak]

So Up, Down, Left and Right is for the D-Pad Only? All I need to worry about is when it says Stick 1 Tilt Right, Tilt Down?

[lament escarp]

Yes

[zinc dew]

Yup

D-input does not support rumble in the N64 core

Only Xinput

[lament escarp]

Also don't finish the setup early, just skip the mouse config manually, it'll throw you out of the menu when it knows enough by itself.

[lament escarp]

Does dinput as a standard even support rumble?

[remote hatch]

rumble does not work in Brawler64 NSO in any mode 😄

[hasty kayak]

That is S-Mode fixed 🙂 thanks for your patience and help everyone.

(fixed in terms of buttons n stix :))

[lament escarp]

Some day some smart guy will fix the nso driver... appearently some oem nso controllers also have the pairing issue.

[worn delta]

I didn't know this, is it the same on original hardware or a limitation in the core currently?

[zinc dew]

I don’t think it’s the controller, it’s the Bluetooth adapter. Also a lot of people with NSO have that issue too.

[zinc dew]

Not sure, I’ve never switched input modes in any third party controllers with the N64

[lament escarp]

I tried 2 different bt adapters, all showing the some issue. Also shig took a look at the error reports and thinks it's the driver.

[zinc dew]

Yeah the driver, that’s what I mean.

[hasty kayak]

The Driver which Drives the Adapter 🙂

[zinc dew]

@worn delta dinput rumble problems seems to be an issue for a ton of devices. Just did a quick google search and lot of questions popped up on how to get rumble working with dinput lol

[lament escarp]

Btw I also contacted 8bitdo to make the at least their usb adapter compatible with the n64 kit, don't think it'll amount to much though.

[zinc dew]

Maybe but it’s great you brought it to their attention.

[native mesa]

Why would you want to use dinput over xinput anyway

[zinc dew]

I don’t think anyone does but some controllers are dinput by default. For example my Saffun controller was like that.

Also congrats to @weary palm on your PR being incorporated into the latest MiSTer unstable! 🥳

[native mesa]

His database stuff?

[zinc dew]

Yah

[native mesa]

Neat that should help the ROM hackers a lot (like myself)

[lament escarp]

Do I need a new db or just the unstable?

[native mesa]

Check his comments he points to a smaller database file

Not sure if there's a new column

[lament escarp]

I'll wait for him to explain it for dumb dumbs like me
😄

[hearty oar]

ideally the main database file will get updated, pretty much can just replace a lot of it with entries based on the information in the rom header instead of having to hash the rom file itself

meaning that slight variations in revision, dump, or rom hacks that don't try and change the game ID or save type will work without needing any additional DB entry

[zinc dew]

but being a hacker is a crime

[dreamy kayak]

Rated E for Indilo Bone!

[vapid hawk]

it's especially awesome since n64 has so many decomps

there are going to be like, an absolutely obscene number of mario and oot romhacks at some point

[daring meteor]

If someone is curious - PSX took 11 months to release

[zinc dew]

When did it officially release? May 22?

[vapid hawk]

PSX_20220511

so yeah

roughly around this time in psx core development i think you could play it but it had no sound if you didn't run dualram

[native mesa]

I member

[elfin depot]

iwastheregandalf.jpg

[vapid hawk]

and it had way more and way weirder bugs too

like resident evil 1 didn't work right until about a month before the official release i think for example

[daring meteor]

Nah, it was a bit better

[cerulean elk]

The good old days…of last year lol

[vapid hawk]

yeah here, SPU on DDR came late january 22 : #test-builds message

[native mesa]

Was anyone around when evil dead started working? What was the fix for that?

[dense wagon]

speaking of no sound.... lol i had a thrash at the portal demake, i get no sound there... also the invert y axis rather amusingly inverts all controls lol
But, really quite funny to see that game running

[marble cargo]

I came late to the party when it came to the PS1 core development, so I don't personally remember any obvious bugs from my experience.

[vapid hawk]

thats a fast moving project too there's a steady stream of commits, seems like it could end up really polished

thats maybe the one game we could use n64 mouse support for 🙂

[native mesa]

StarCraft?

[vapid hawk]

you cant really actually play starcraft with the mouse afaik, not enough buttons

the support in there is just vestigial

[native mesa]

Mouse and foot button s

[marble cargo]

Experiencing both the SEGA Saturn core and Nintendo 64 core develop is exciting, as I can slowly see each game improve with every build.

[native mesa]

Saturn lacks all the nice osd options though. I think I prefer Roberts methodology more

Granted he's not in a wartorn country

[vapid hawk]

usually what happens with srg320 cores is he makes like, the heart of it, and when its finished others jump in and do QOL additions

[zinc dew]

I can’t wait for the good Sonic game QoL addition!

[vapid hawk]

someone should really demake sonic mania for saturn

i'm kinda sad nobody jumped on that it'd be perfect

[native mesa]

There's a Dreamcast port I think

[vapid hawk]

really? awesome

[native mesa]

Or maybe it was Wii? Or maybe both

[hasty kayak]

Wii I think man

[zinc dew]

Sonic Jam is still extremely fun and looks awesome to me. It’s not nostalgia talking, first time I played it was on the Saturn core

[vapid hawk]

is that the sonic 1/2/3 collection?

if so, yeah its pretty rad, esp the way they backported some moves from sonic2 to sonic1

[native mesa]

SonicFreak94 is working on a Dreamcast port

Of sonic mania

But isn't sonic mania mostly just old stages?

[upbeat spindle]

Hey chaps, I'm having issues navigating the menus in Pilot Wings 64 on the MISTer; I essentially can't move up or down in menus - can anyone help me with this?

[zinc dew]

Yeah I meant that little 3D world area

[vapid hawk]

oh yeah thats neat but kind of only a techdemo right?

[zinc dew]

Setup your controller in MiSTer main then set it up in the core. You do not do the directions with the analog stick, it’s only d-pad.

[zinc dew]

Yeah, I would’ve loved an entire game like that.!

[flint thunder]

What are your MiSTer.ini settings ?

[spiral garnet]

With the latest build I get like a out of sync image when I load the n64 core on my crt, anyone get this? Last one worked fine.

[wanton sun]

next build will improve it with the values MikeS tested

[cerulean elk]

Sega proving they knew what we wanted but being Sega enough to not give us the full experience

[manic basin]

I love that you do so much Q&A for us chumps when you're on here @wanton sun ! I know a few of us (me) probably sound like 5 year olds asking questions. But it's super kind and very helpful!

And to follow up with a question...
Your sound answer from earlier about all or nothing made me wonder if the Portal homebrew is doing something wrong early on. Then I remebered you built in beatiful error codes. It's right there. RSP PC is modified by register access while rsp runs. Is that related to something not implemented (return to idle sfter err or sometime) potentially? Or is it just running on real hardware as a fluke? Sounds kinda like it should stop if the audio register writes aren't waiting for a stopped on rsp. I bet this is enough info to get sound in portal on the software side, though. I'd try, but I'm stuck on set until 9pm tonight.

[cerulean elk]

Back to set work! Those Apple boxes aren’t gonna set themselves up

[manic basin]

So...eerily enough...we ARE having an apple box issue RIGHT NOW.

[cerulean elk]

Hence my joke. It’s always apple boxes. Half a set day is finding them, setting them up, blah blah blah apple boxes 😂

Only other person on here that will know what to do if I asked for a “full Apple on the first floor” is you haha

[elfin depot]

Are we talkiing like...legit apple crates? Like ye ol wooden boxes?

[native mesa]

Gotta meat the girls whole family today... Wish me luck

Should I wear stereotypical red flannel or a burgundy sweatshirt

[weary beacon]

dad's like to see flannels

[elfin depot]

Go full Biggie Smalls

[native mesa]

Perfect there will be two dads there maybe 3!

In fact I may be the only non-dad

[manic basin]

I'm also using pc. So its apple boxes in a different way as well.

[native mesa]

The more I think of the word dad the stranger it gets

[lament escarp]

Just call them all daddy.

[weary beacon]

What is the MikeS build?

[native mesa]

MikeS does all the YC stuff

[wanton sun]

could be a bug in the core or edge case from the game. When a game changes the PC of the RSP while it calculates something, this will stop the current execution out of a sudden and leave unfinished work behind. Even worse, it could be in the middle of something that will also make the new started work corrupt or make it hang forever

[weary beacon]

Isnt YC s video?

Im confused

[manic basin]

Thank you!

[modern sleet]

It just enables Y/C, you can still use it normally for everything else, the other difference was adjusting the hsync

But that will be fixed in Roberts next release for everyone using the normal builds

[wanton sun]

Mike is very much into CRTs so the changes should help all CRTs 🙂

[weary beacon]

Yc can be carried over component?

[native mesa]

Is this not just due to lack of divot in VI? Maybe I don't fully understand what it does but I thought it cleaned up stray artifact pixels

[modern sleet]

Y/C is carried over the Red/Green signals, but just like component all of this is enabled in the mister ini file

[weary beacon]

Interesting thanks

[native mesa]

"Divot is a special operation that can be (optionally) performed on the anti-aliased pixels to filter out the "divot" (one pixel notch) artifacts when multiple silhouettes overlap on a pixel."

[daring meteor]

From next build you shouldn't need to use yc unless you have yc signaling

(Unless like Robert breaks something while doing async clocks, which can reasonably happen)

[native mesa]

I like the idea of composite but I'd rather simulate it through a filter

Is there an accurate composite filter?

[modern sleet]

I should probably get back to that work... but it definitely wont fit on this core if I wanted to add it 🙂. I dont think the N64 really needs a composite filter, where the Genesis could really benefit from having one for that rainbow feel

[native mesa]

Seems like it's something that could benefit all main and be a mister.ini setting

[primal bolt]

thanks!

[worn delta]

For anyone curious, I tried Morita Shougi 64 (AKA the cart with the modem on it) and it boots but crashes when you go into play with an E080044.

[zinc dew]

It’s for shougi grandmasters only, the cart dubbed you as not worthy!

[worn delta]

Clearly. I probably fell for some honeytrap where the first menu option translates as "Non Japanese Click Here".

[orchid nimbus]

Only Robby can judge me!

[zinc dew]

I judge you to be…..

excellent!

[lament escarp]

@orchid nimbus do you know whats up with the new unstable main for the database? Will we need a new one? Is the one on you faq the new one?

[orchid nimbus]

I think it pulls from the json so it’s probably the last one

Which part of the faq?

I really should edit that thing it’s become a mess

[brisk drum]

Ooooh judge me too bro!

[lament escarp]

#unstable-nightlies message is now doing some id stuff, the db on your faq says its from the 29th of September, so it's older I guess?

[zinc dew]

I judge you to be…..

fantastico!

[brisk drum]

Si, si gracias

plays some mariachi music

[zinc dew]

https://youtu.be/DbDY1dDXOAE

[brisk drum]

Omg these are hilarious !

[cerulean elk]

Not exactly but yes

Film Apple boxes are made for sets. But same concept

That’s a “full Apple”

Inconsequentially would probably make an awesome arcade stick build

Ok today is the day I finish Bomberman Hero on the core. I swear it to myself

[knotty zealot]

you're finishing the gba game first

[elfin depot]

ah, ok. I have a bunch of apple crates and I was wondering where they fit in with the film industry

[drowsy lantern]

One strange oddity I noticed in Super Mario 64: normally as you approach this picture is supposed to crossfade into Bowser’s face, but it never happens on the core. So it’s kind of creepy to see Peach’s face so up close:

[daring meteor]

LOD my beloved

[drowsy lantern]

Ah it’s LOD that does this? Had no idea!

Also whenever Mario warps, he fades in and out with a simple alpha blend. But on a real N64, there’s kind of moving noise pattern as it happens. No emulator ever gets this right.

[worn delta]

Ah, is Robert yet to implement LOD?

[orchid nimbus]

Life or Death?

[compact depot]

Level Of Details

[candid copper]

praise be to the YC builds

looks incredible on my crappy CRT tv

[daring meteor]

Robert is yet to implement Ramla either

[orchid nimbus]

oh you mean the n64 database and not unstable?

[worn delta]

Ah, thanks for the info. What actually are LOD and Ramla?

[orchid nimbus]

you cannot download the unstable from my webpage

[zinc dew]

NEW BUILD!

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-freaking-out-crazy-gif-8832122

[fair stump]

Post them sweet comparison shots, boys

[spiral garnet]

Thanks, my sync issue is gone loading the core

[lament escarp]

Yes, the textfile to match the new unstable. I take it if it's reading the game id it still needs a database to grab the settings from.

[worn delta]

Does it not just use the same .txt file?

[orchid nimbus]

@lament escarp you got me confused - what are you looking at?

[wanton sun]

I curious if anyone finds a game that uses gamma ... and is not starfox 😅

[fair stump]

Sounds like a challenge

[vapid moat]

Dang, already? I thought we'd e in for another longer dev time

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun very funny 😄

[zinc dew]

Yeah I haven’t found one yet lol

[fair stump]

I don't know what I'd be looking for

[wanton sun]

difference is very visible if you know the game:

[worn delta]

Oh I know one, it's called "Lylatwars" 😉

[orchid nimbus]

Doom64!!!!!

[wanton sun]

is that a guess or is it true?

[orchid nimbus]

well it's pretty dark

I'll give it a spin

[lament escarp]

Sorry 😄 there is a new unstable in #unstable-nightlies message, which says it's not only grabbing the hash value but also the game id to figure out which game you loaded and match it in the database. My question is if you know anything about that, and if the db textfile on https://vampier.net/N64/ is compatible with that main and if it contains the game id and stuff to work with romhacks etc.

[orchid nimbus]

I bet the marketing team seriously had some issues with mental health

[odd vector]

Woah Gamma 😄

[daring meteor]

Gamma as second version is surprising, very glad for that

[odd vector]

Hopefully my CRT works again with this build

[orchid nimbus]

@lament escarp sorry - that I don't know - it's all automated based on the github json out there

[daring meteor]

New Seed?

[zinc dew]

Going through games no gamma yet other than star Fox

[primal bolt]

I haven't noticed any yet

[vapid moat]

OOT?

[lament escarp]

So this is the starfox update? 😄

[teal sail]

Buck Bumble

[manic basin]

Is the gamma more noticiable in SF Rev 1.0? That's got a darkness problem...I believe...I believe I believe I believe....

(that dumb pun was for the 3 people who listened to The Darkness...)

[zinc dew]

Yup there it is

Buck Bumble has gamma

I repeat Buck Bumble has gamma and is presumed dangerous

[broken cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-smile-banner-smiling-gif-7325607

[fair stump]

What is the horizontal guard band?

[zenith orchid]

I think THPS games use gamma

[cerulean elk]

Interesting stuff

[zenith orchid]

according to GPT:

The term "horizontal guard band" in the context of the Nintendo 64 (N64) typically refers to a visual feature in video games on this console. It represents a small, usually black area or buffer zone along the edges of the screen. The purpose of the horizontal guard band is to provide some space where graphics or game elements are not displayed. This helps ensure that all game content is visible on older CRT televisions that might slightly crop the edges of the screen. It's a design consideration to accommodate different display devices and avoid important game information being cut off due to overscan on certain TVs.

[hollow rune]

This makes sense

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, especially considering this is mainly a CRT update

[lament escarp]

New vid at 4?

[manic basin]

Get that camera pointed at a CRT like it's 1992 and you wanna get your high score printed in Nintendo Power!

[orchid nimbus]

why does the dithering look to pronounced ?

is it transitional?

[weary beacon]

cause there is no dedither

[cerulean elk]

Not today

[compact lark]

TBH from what I've seen in captures on real hardware, Star Fox 64's dithering is pronounced even with VI/Dedither on.

[hollow rune]

Definitely lights up Star Fox

[fair stump]

I dunno, @zinc dew's prototype is looking pretty good with this build

[past mango]

Awesome, gamma

[mild finch]

I pointed out some differences between the core and real hardware for Majora's Mask, those looked like due to missing gamma correction.

[grave island]

I know its the initial implementation, but anyone else feel the gamma is a bit too bright in Star Fox. On my real N64 it doesn't look that bright.

[compact depot]

How much of the Vaseline is implemented now? 80%?

[hollow rune]

Checking

[vapid moat]

25% still I think

[compact depot]

Full tube wen?

[mild finch]

Original post: #1096015979055697940 message

[hollow rune]

I thought Quake might be a candidate, but no

[primal bolt]

What do you mean? StarFox is darker on the core

oh you mean on the new core just released

[grave island]

Yes, with gamma setting on it seems brighter than how it looks on real hardware.

[primal bolt]

I dunno I dont have a real N64 to check

[lilac scroll]

Robert, what’s the game that doesn’t work yet that you’re most excited to get working? Or do all your personal favorites work now?

[hollow rune]

Went through the scenes in your pics. The gamma setting does not have an effect at all when toggling

[cerulean elk]

I’ll have a vid tomorrow but not solely on this. Mixed topic

[mild finch]

Ok, strange. Does it still look very dark, though? Thanks for testing.

[hollow rune]

On my display the whole thing played out as I would expect with the colors I'd expect

[wanton sun]

wow, that explanation is very accurate. It ignores that the real implementation has a bug so that the guard band is larger than it should be, but still not bad

[grave island]

Actually nevermind, what was messing with me is the dithering.

The brightness actually seems on point.

[wanton sun]

the implementation was checked against angrylion to be accurate. I'm not aware of a bug entry for it

haha, too late 🙂

[grave island]

It was the dithered pattern that caught me off guard. I didn't realize how dedither still needed to be implemented.

[wanton sun]

i think starfox also uses the random dither pattern that is not yet implemented in the core

[zenith orchid]

Dedither is such a fascinating concept, it counteracts the pattern while enhancing the perceived color depth that dithering provides. At least that's my understanding

[obtuse field]

Automobili Lamborghini??

[tropic sand]

On switch n64 emulation they used this value...

"Star Fox 64 had gamma adjustment enabled - gamma value was set to 1.8.

[odd vector]

I can see something in starfox wow xD

[hollow rune]

So my mom is like how did it affect Chameleon Twist, and I was like, Mom it only did anything to Star Fox but I will check anyway

People Chameleon Twist looks AMAZING now

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun Hmm, could dedither be added to the PSX core? 😂

[hollow rune]

Go look at it

[wanton sun]

sure, you can start right away 🙂

but i think 24bit is the better solution there

[zenith orchid]

Ayy I wasn't asking you to do it. I was just wondering if it's possible 🤣🤣

[latent galleon]

have you tried 24-bit color?

[wanton sun]

if we had so much free space, i would also do 24bit for n64, but i doubt it will fit

it would be very easy, the information is there, just cut off

[latent galleon]

you better make it fit

dither makes everything look like you are playing a gif

[odd vector]

The new build fixes my ntsc issues on my pal tv, thanks robert!

[weary beacon]

yes, noise dithering

[zenith orchid]

honestly I never noticed dithering in N64 before. Not since development on this core began

[zealous hull]

then just turn it off 🙂

[hollow rune]

No gamma

Gamma

[zealous hull]

Oh wow, yeah. Chameleon Twist finally looks like how I remember it looking. That was what was missing.

[zenith orchid]

I remember the THPS games being too bright, so I'm gonna test those out

[wanton sun]

at least thps2 looks too bright and washed out without gamma 😅

[zenith orchid]

yeah, that was my first thought when I saw the update

[fair stump]

THPS downhill level is still pretty bright but I'm not sure if that's incorrect

San Francisco still has the wild graphical glitching

[odd vector]

lol, jet force gemini crashes with error: SP CRASHED, gfx=8022313

[zenith orchid]

Darn, for me there's no visible difference with THPS2

I don't think the THPS games use gamma

but yeah the way it looks now is not how its supposed to look

https://youtu.be/TFcbpX1c6s8?si=lwshesNE0QiDQS7N

This is on original hardware

Okay when you start in the hanger, the corridor you emerge from is supposed to be completely enshrouded in a shadow

there are no shadows at all

[primal bolt]

the only real way to test is OG hardware and Mister on same screen

cant trust other peoples videos

the image could be tweaked from recording or streaming settings, etc

[zenith orchid]

So you think all the shadows were tweaked into the footage?

[primal bolt]

im referring to gamma

brightness, gamma, contrast

[zenith orchid]

Ah okay

now I getcha

[zenith orchid]

it appears the issue is lack of shadows(with the exception of the player's shadow). Any idea what could be the cause of it?

[wanton sun]

no, but when i see what the game does to all the text, something with the texture loading must be wrong for sure

[orchid nimbus]

#1096015979055697940 message ow my prediction came true 😄

[wanton sun]

shadows are nothing the n64 can do, it's just normal polygons

[latent galleon]

@orchid nimbus i heard it will definitely fit, word on the street

[zenith orchid]

Yeah its clear there are text issues with all the THPS games

[cerulean elk]

So Star Fox for gamma. What else am I capturing later? I’m not familiar with gamma

[wanton sun]

buck bumble, chameleon twist

those are the 3 games found until now

[cerulean elk]

Well I’m very familiar with the concept. Just not the games that use it lol

Thanks @wanton sun

[wanton sun]

@zinc dew and @hollow rune found them. They just tried their favorite games 😛

[zenith orchid]

I'm starting to think LOD might be the culprit for THPS shadows.

[wanton sun]

well, at least LOD doesn't make sense for the text issues

[odd vector]

why does the n64 need dither and dedither? What a strange way to render graphics ^^

[wanton sun]

n64 does render with full 8bit per color and video out can also handle everything with 8bit per color (until DAC which is 7 bit per color) ... BUT! the bandwidth required to store the pixels in the RDRAM framebuffer is so high, that games rather cut down the rendered image to 5 bit per color and add dithering

[zenith orchid]

dithering helps eliminate color banding to improve perceived color depth. dedither addresses the visible dither pattern without compromising the perceived color depth.

[odd vector]

that's so odd. 😄

[zenith orchid]

I guess it was the only idea they had back in late 1995

[odd vector]

So they achieve "higher" picture quality by using this technique and saving bandwith

[wanton sun]

dedither wasn't planned. when they had the first RCP chip designed and tested it, they realized that the dithering was looking bad on NTSC TVs, so they designed in the dedither to compensate. (source: youtube interview with the chief RDP designer)

[stoic parcel]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Nih4O6MoQbP6Me80f9/giphy.gif

[zenith orchid]

So do PAL games not use dedither?

[odd vector]

thanks for the explanation, it makes a lot more sense to me

[pure ocean]

Automobil Lamborghini uses gamma. It also has a lot pixels flying around, wire meshs and missin alpha blending. All the time during atract mode. Maybe a good candidate @wanton sun (Pal tested)

[wanton sun]

yes, will look again at rdp stuff once the VI is done

[zenith orchid]

man, thps2 is so much more fun on N64. it's just so damn smooth, and the perspective correction is so nice

[lament escarp]

You got an order in mind when it comes to vi stuff or are just starting to work on what strikes your fancy in the morning?

[keen hazel]

PSX got the best soundtrack though

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, but for the buttery smooth and consistent framerate.. it's night and day

[keen hazel]

Sure

Well, PC was the best version overall

Good framerate, good sountrack and additional maps

[daring meteor]

So that is why the RCP says V2

Intresting

[zenith orchid]

I hope there'll be something like an MSU1 for N64 so that the full soundtrack could be available for it

[keen hazel]

Would it fit on the DE-10 though ?

[zenith orchid]

Heh, good point.

Maybe the mod could use the disk drive features

for the expanded storage

[low crane]

Has anyone successfully saved in Shiren 2?

[knotty zealot]

i'll take it

[cerulean elk]

I’m gonna work a little mix and match vid tomorrow; gamma and games that just work. If anyone wants to see some ether specific @ me. And no I’m not doing Brian 🤣

[knotty zealot]

himynameisawbaconandbesuretohitthatsubscribebuttonbutletsgetrightintothis

[cerulean elk]

I swear to god I’ll take you behind the cheese shed and beat you so bad your ancestors will be sore in the morning 🤣

[knotty zealot]

ouch

[lament escarp]

Sounds like a nintendo playstation core.

[cerulean elk]

Ultra 64 CD

[modern sleet]

No YC build for a couple hours,

Thought I could remote in with my phone... 🙃

[lament escarp]

Skyrim?

[fair stump]

1080

[cerulean elk]

Matrix is showing itself in Chicago

[zenith orchid]

Now that would have been great!

[modern sleet]

1080 with Roberts new VI changes

[zenith orchid]

But it seems Nintendo was hellbent on avoiding CDs

[daring meteor]

The Wii is the true exception

[cerulean elk]

Wtf. Look at this

Seriously it’s following me 🤣

[fair stump]

Too bad Sony

[vapid moat]

To those with PAL N64, can you confirm following for me:

SM64 + MK64 on PAL-modes, look bit weirdly aligned to me:

[tulip coral]

i guess its 'sunny'... (sunny / sony). i'll get my coat

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun horizontal guard band?

[vapid moat]

Other N64-games are properly aligned like their NTSC-counterparts

[vapid moat]

This has been a thing in previous builds too

[zenith orchid]

hmm.. maybe @modern sleet would know

[past mango]

Maybe it's already been brought up, but it didn't jump out at me in the search results. Extreme-G has some scaling issues with the Acclaim logo, and the rocket animation in the screen after has the rocket veer off course from the fire effect that usually tracks with it. OG intro for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BGmIGACuxQ - @wanton sun

[daring meteor]

Is this Automobili Lamgourgini

[neat sierra]

in majora's mask in the attract mode I noticed there's an occasional 'twitch' like a sync issue on my lcd tv that isn't there on the crt. I wonder if that's just that the TCL is struggling with sync for an instant? Haven't seen that in other games and it seemed to not do it in-game

[lament escarp]

Uff superman 64 has some graphical glitches. Let's not touch that again. 😄

[oblique remnant]

automobili lamborghini + superman go hand in hand

[lament escarp]

As the best games on the system?

[nova grotto]

I am the only one without audio in the N64 core in a CRT

?

[oblique remnant]

both from Titus 😄

[ebon oyster]

Anyone else noticed single-pixel-wide white lines between texture edges on certain levels of Super Mario Kart 64, even with the latest core? Are those present on original hardware?

[chrome quest]

Noticed that too. No Mario64 to test hardware, but can confirm it didn't look like that on hardware. Not certain if there were borders or not (wouldn't have noticed back in the day!), but would at least be vertical centred.
iirc, there's some vertical "stretching" type mode that I figured was part of the answer. Robert mentioned the mode before, didn't say it was tied to Mario in particular mind. I'd noticed it too for all the previous core versions, was just waiting to see over time

[ebon oyster]

Are you using vsync_adjust=2 with the LCD TV?

[oblique remnant]

Eikou no Saint Andrews still not there yet but it shows gamma 🙂

[primal bolt]

now do you believe?

take the white pill

[quaint pewter]

I'm guessing @modern sleet is not a PAL type dude?

[neat sierra]

yeah

[zinc dew]

The three best games on the N64!

• Star Fox 64
• Buck Bumble
• Chameleon Twist

[neat sierra]

• Elmo's Letter Adventure

[daring meteor]

Eiko no Saint Andrews

[brisk drum]

White pill?

[mild ether]

• Vivid Dolls

[hollow rune]

Beano?

[brisk drum]

That’s races

[hollow rune]

You onow

[brisk drum]

I am Mexican

[hollow rune]

I did not think about that

And I am super sorry

[brisk drum]

I’m just fucking with you

Sorry

[hollow rune]

And I am quite flushed right now

[dreamy ridge]

sesame street 123 on NES had a FIRE soundtrack

[hollow rune]

Still should've thought one more step on that.

[hollow rune]

You did nothing wrong

[brisk drum]

It’s a legitimate otc medication

No one did nothing wrong

We are Gucci 100%

[hollow rune]

Panda is better than Prada

[brisk drum]

If anything I made it wrong by bringing race into something that had nothing to do with race ..

Because I though it would be funny

[mild ether]

It was.

[solemn maple]

Pretty sure you will have black bars on real hardware too.

[hollow rune]

I told my mom what happened and she is laughing. Mostly at my expense.

[fierce garden]

Can’t wait to play Jet Force Gemini. It has such amazing atmosphere and music. Controls, everyone hates….but I love it 🙃

[cerulean elk]

and home. Time to capture

[lament escarp]

Resi2 still has a funky coloured column in some szenes on the right side

[chilly ember]

The dog always reminded me of rush from megaman

[kind solar]

does the update script still put the core in the main folder or is it under the unstable category now? i don't like having it in with the finished cores

[eternal island]

my buddy is here playing the magical adventures of brian

seems to be crashing a lot

we seemed to get through it.. by spamming the start menu after every battle lol

[chilly ember]

Oh weird I played up until the thief fight in the forest, I didn't have any crashes but that was on a previous build

[eternal island]

trying to repeat it consistently.. and if i can find it will see if i can make it crash after a full core reboot

[cerulean elk]

funny to see 10/01 on a core

[eternal island]

im going to try a core reboot first actually...

learned my lesson on the saturn core

[cerulean elk]

when it doubt reboot lol

wow gamma with a massive diff on Star Fox

not gonna lie....dark SF vibes do it for me more

[modern sleet]

Pal vertical sync or scaling on a CRT has always been a bit off. If wait for Robert to finish the async module

[zenith orchid]

Ah okay 👍

Thanks!

[modern sleet]

I'm not sure the scaling is correct yet?

[cerulean elk]

was Star Fox always this bright?

[zenith orchid]

Didn't the gamma dim the colors?

[cerulean elk]

Gamma on bright, gamma off dark

[hollow rune]

Some of the seeming overcorrectedness is the lack of dedeither

Someone suggested that being the case

[quaint pewter]

thanks for the correction. {baddum tish}

[zenith orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

[cerulean elk]

no I mean thats what I should se yeaH?

see

[eternal island]

im fairly certain

core restart fixed it

good ol core restart

[zenith orchid]

Yeah that's correct

I do remember starfox being bright

[cerulean elk]

Star Fox is such a diff vibe with gamma on or off

Chameleon Twist time

[zenith orchid]

yeah true

[cerulean elk]

will make an EASY vid though. We are talking night and day different...pun not intended

[zenith orchid]

I'll really looking forward to the LOD implementation. but I don't think that's part of VI

[wanton sun]

it's not like dedither is the only reason for the v2. He told that the first revision was more a testballon with double size, they knew they had to redesign it anyway. Just one of the many changes

[daring meteor]

Adds one to the count through

[weary beacon]

Dedither will save ocarina of time

[wanton sun]

if pixels are close to the sync edge, they are not fetched from RDRAM. As fetches seem to be in 8 pixel chunks, you can loose up to 8 pixels on the left and 7 on the right side if the game configures it bad. And, no surprise, many games do that

[ornate obsidian]

Lylat Wars looks so much better now, cheers for the update

RE2 is also working beautifully on my CRT now thanks to MikeS

[zenith orchid]

I can't believe how much I'm learning about the N64 as development continues. The way Robert explains things just makes sense

Next time I play Mario Kart 64 with the bros, I'll have all these fun facts about how the graphics area rendered, and the VI 🤓

[mellow path]

What kind of shadow masks do y'all use with this core?

[cerulean elk]

funny in Chameleon Twist Id say half the time GAMMA on is the way to go, the other half...gamma off

ant land looks more vibey darker

[zenith orchid]

Sony PVM (Generic) (~1980

[wicked granite]

Same here, does not look normal.... but maybe its the missing random dither patterns..... or its to much gamma boost...

[zenith orchid]

combined with bright scanlines and composite simulation filters

it makes up for lack of AA

though once VI is fully implemented I might switch to s-video simulation or soft interpolation

[mellow path]

I'll keep it in mind. A good crt simulation really makes or breaks a core for me.

[zenith orchid]

I do what works best for the TV I have, which is a fairly old LCD panel

But also CRT simulation in this case is a filter in the MiSTer framework

[cerulean elk]

and done capturing...fun stuff

[zenith orchid]

One day I'll have the direct video signal go into an RT4K, and that'll be my CRT simulation

[eternal island]

it does seem brians quest crashes randomly. sometimes it takes a while, sometimes not

thats all right

[zenith orchid]

not a big loss

[eternal island]

made it quite far this time no crash, until it did

and ye no big loss, but still worth noting i suppose

[bright nacelle]

Anyone play the f-zero climax hack recently? i tried it out today, both both a htgd and 'romantic'version give me a black screen. other games (and hacks, Amped works) are ok. Or does it require some adding int the database file? Have to admin i am just now starting to use the core some maybe missing something obvious. But having read 'updated' update all takes care of all i tought not much else was required! I did a quick search on climax and found nothing in previous chat...

[eternal island]

try loading f zero first, then load the rom hack

see if that works

[bright nacelle]

crap yeah that sounds familiar, giving that a go now!

[bright nacelle]

Hmmm seems it just loads the vanilla f-zero

yeah checked a youtube vid, the game has it's own splash screen. maybe i'll just patch it myself and see how that goes, cheers though!

[cerulean elk]

who send me the capture of Kirby 64 being beaten? I cannot find the damn DM with your name to credit

nevermind...I was blind

[languid dune]

Still need to test today's update. Sounds like it's mostly for CRTs and Star Fox 64.

[cerulean elk]

it really is the Star Fox update

[languid dune]

Who are these guys!? We're Star Fox! 🦊

[hearty oar]

if you grab the latest unstable MiSTer main and the N64-databse.txt from here it should work without any need for loading the regular game first or updating the DB, assuming it has the same ID and save type as the ergular game: #1096015979055697940 message

and assuming there is not other bug/missing feature preventing it from loading 😄

[cerulean elk]

Fox found the light! (gamma)

[cerulean elk]

nice

[chrome quest]

Are you (or anyone else) using that test build? Wondering if it has the other updates of the latest unstable main, like the analog range fix

[hearty oar]

I am, and it should, but if you want to be certain you can just grab the latest unstable main with the same changes from here #unstable-nightlies message

Which will of course be built on all the preceding changes

[chrome quest]

Great! Silly me, missed that was also already in the unstable channel. Still good to have the other link for the database file I suppose. TY!

[weary beacon]

I'm not sure if this will help or if it's a known bug, compared to a real hardware n64, in pal mode, the scaling is correct, or very close, just the image is shifted down too much. On the other hand, Yes, it is true that since VI were implemented games like Pokemon Stadium the menu letters do not look good, perhaps it is because of the scale? A known bug???I think it happens in rayman 2 and other hockey game.....and is a know bug

It is very difficult to compare the scale with the real n64, because the image is shifted down, in terms of scale it seems correct to me

[bright nacelle]

Thanks, all i did was add the extra line to my downloader.ini, this particular hack/mod was featured in one of mr Awbacons N64 test vids, so was assuming it'd be in the DB the downloader grabs. Especially with Mario kart64 Amped working as well. i'll see if the file does someothing on my actual n64 and ED though, nice way to cross test. But may not have time to test again till tuesday....

[novel fossil]

Does anyone have sync issues at 1440 4:3? vsync_adjust even at 0 doesn’t seem to get rid of it. It also seems to pop up only after longer play sessions, and progressively gets worse. This is on an LG C1. I seem to remember this also being the case with the PSX core, which I had to eventually drop to 1080 to resolve

[night saddle]

I'll give it a try soon with a longer game like ocarina of time. didn't notice any issues with 1920x1440 so far though.

[zenith orchid]

Does the MiSTer scaler output at 1920x1440?

[trim seal]

So the Rare logo in DK64 is now just a couple of vertical white bars instead of that half-visible logo?

[thorn iris]

I get similar but normally at beginning of play. C1 also.

[trim seal]

Aye, I'm not stressed about it or anything, just confirming it's not just me 🙂

[chilly ember]

Dk rap still works so that's fine by me

[trim seal]

Huzzah!

[dusty tusk]

Ooh, new core update. Time to grab my field programmable gatorade and check it out.

[modern sleet]

Ill fix PAL's off center vsync in my update today, for you 50hz elitists

[trim seal]

Boy, that gamma really brings out the detail of the...dithering. :p

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, the dithering is quite a bit uglier than Playstation

[random portal]

any new games?

Just waiting for XenoCrisis on N64 boot one of these updates :)

[modern sleet]

@quaint pewter @vapid moat Try this and let me know if it causes issues in PAL, I only tested MK64 in PAL on my PVM and its a lot better

Should be closer to center now

[quaint pewter]

Oops I hope it helps indy. I tagged you because of his message, not for myself. I don't have my MiSTer connected to a CRT at the moment and not sure where my scart cable is .

[modern sleet]

Its in todays YC build as well, If it works well, Ill let robert know

if (videoout_settings.isPAL = '1') then
    if (vsyncCount >= 30 and vsyncCount < 33) then videoout_reports.vsync <= '1'; end if;
else
    if (vsyncCount >= 10 and vsyncCount < 13) then videoout_reports.vsync <= '1'; end if;
end if;

Thats all that's different, I just shifted the sync 20 lines

[safe robin]

just out of interest. is it an optimization that you have 2 if statements with the same then clause?

[zinc dew]

Mine outputs at 2560x1440@60 just fine.

[elfin relic]

2560x1440 is the pixel repetition one, you actually end up losing some fidelity with that one

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I was about to say..

[elfin relic]

but useful if your display sucks at handling 4:3

[zinc dew]

Ohhhh ok, good to know. Which one should I use instead

[elfin relic]

if you have a 4k display that handles 4:3 fine (i.e. doesn't have added lag like the LG C/G2 doodles), then video mode 13 probably provides the best

[zinc dew]

Maybe? I’ll give it a shot. Thanks!

[elfin relic]

that's 2048x1536@60

now that I'm part of the LG C1 gang, I run video_mode 13 and vscale_mode 4 and it's

[broken cradle]

I use 2560x1440 because 1920x1440 makes my c9 go 🙅🏻‍♂️ and won't display anything

[cerulean elk]

Weird it won’t accept x1440

[elfin relic]

yeah, that's where it is useful, for those kinds of situations

[cerulean elk]

I have zero complaints about my Samsung QLED. It’s yet to not take a signal

And in gaming mode with some menu tweaks you can get basically to the bare signal with no processing on top.

[elfin relic]

I actually wanted a sarnsang qled but they're not allowed to sell in Japan thanks to a feud with Panasonic >_>

[zinc dew]

lol

way to go dp

[cerulean elk]

Wait Samsung or is there a sarnsang I’ve never heard of? Lol

[zinc dew]

Just had to sell secrets to Samsung

[elfin relic]

Samsung, yeah. It's a dumb name I call them sometimes

[zinc dew]

He mistyped it to not tip off the Panasonic police

[cerulean elk]

Like Sorny. Or Magnetbox

[elfin relic]

exactly

[broken cradle]

Is that a 4:3?

[broken cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/swat-gif-17979428

Japan Panasonic right now

[elfin relic]

yeah it's 4:3

[broken cradle]

I'll give it a try

Nah tv don't like it

[elfin relic]

that's unfortunate

[trim seal]

Man, Rayman 2 looks like you're viewing it through a glass door. Trippy. Seems like it's not drawing a handful of lines every 20 lines or so.

[hybrid spade]

Rogue Squadron is freaky

the menus now appear but only when the filtering is turned on

and it looks like the images are only half rendering every 2nd line missing.

[modern sleet]

Some of the scaling needs to be fixed, I'm sure Robert knows about it

[trim seal]

Actually Rat Attack has the same graphical issue as Rayman - the glass-venetian.

[modern sleet]

Might be interlaced related or y scaling

[trim seal]

Seems like something like that, yes.

[chrome quest]

Latest build got Mario 64 looking alot better! Nice and centered. Is the RBF in your message different to the GitHub? Realised I just downloaded from there, I might be missing the full PAL love experience

[modern sleet]

YC build has the PAL love change 😉

[chrome quest]

Amore! ❤️
Now it looks like I remembered. Yet smaller Mario, but more wide. Of course realise the HDMI aspect ratio is wrong for PAL cases such as these, but in progress so that's all good.
Love it! Thanks for the fix

[vapid hawk]

we need the aspect ratio whisperer to work her magic on n64 for us

(kitrinx)

[quaint pewter]

It was a real eye opener when I finally saw US and Japanese games running on SNES and Mega Drive etc after years of everything being letterbox and slowed down.

[woeful grove]

If it's needed

[cerulean elk]

N64 video for tomorrow is up, Saturn for thursday is up, house is clean...and now I am tired and dont want to turn my MiSTer on lol

[chrome quest]

It's nice when the HDMI output matches IMO
For Megadrive/SMS you got to enable borders to fix it. Looked into those as I had them.
Probably the same issue on HDMI output for PAL NES, SNES?
PSX handles it brilliantly.

[vapid hawk]

yeah i'm curious actually because i think the VI might actually make all the resolutions come out pretty normalized as is

[modern sleet]

Everything is fixed, the system scales everything to the output l, pal I'm unsure what it's normal resolution is

[chrome quest]

About that normalising @modern sleet ,
I think PAL games with alternative vertical resolution are doing something odd.
640x237 looks fine.
Something like Pokémon SNAP that outputs 640x285 PAL has a glitchy rolling image on the latest YC version. Fine on Roberts

[modern sleet]

My guess, there will be a separate output for pal

[modern sleet]

Yeah, that's why I wanted to test it. Probably pushed it too far

[native mesa]

How long Mario gets cancelled for being a racist charicature

[modern sleet]

I'll bring it back a bit to not exceed 285.

[kind solar]

it's ok racism towards italians is permissible

[chrome quest]

From a quick test, PAL Stadium 2 intro outputs 640x570i according to the core. So there is that.....
I missed earlier conversation, but the visuals have regressed otherwise too, so maybe something odd happening there.

[cerulean elk]

Am 100% Italian. Both grandparents off the boat. Both parents first generation Americans. I approve Mario’s depiction. Take it to the bank!

[chrome quest]

The 25th September core had same 570i resolution, without the rippling video regression, so I guess those numbers are correct

[hollow badger]

There are builds of n64 cores that support composite to a CRT?

[candid copper]

I could use the extra brightness. sector Y was dang near impossible

[chrome quest]

Through glass doors is a good way to describe it. I've just seen the same on Stadium 2. Maybe something about odd vertical resolutions?
Rayman 2 is 640x227 NTSC, 640x268 in new game on PAL (menus are all different too).
Stadium 2 PAL is 640x570i.
Bomberman Hero PAL is 640x293. No glass windows there, but odd lower lines shimmer.
All WIP, happy so much works! Just listing if perhaps a useful reference of the few numbers to more knowledgeable people

[broken cradle]

Just tried 1920x1200 with vscale 5 and much better, takes most of screen now and filters looks good still

[elfin relic]

sweet

[broken cradle]

Noticed something frustrating that I don't remember it being a thing before

In smw each individual stage clear doesn't save

I have to basically make sure I do everything before a castle or a special world that asks to save and continue in order to keep progress

[native mesa]

Pretty sure that's always been at thing

[trim seal]

Was always like that. If you want to save you need to finish either a Castle, ghost house, switch palace, or special level. But you can go back and beat one you've beaten before if you need to save.

[broken cradle]

The replaying a ghost level to save was something I didn't know so good to know

[broken cradle]

I felt like it was just this is the first time I didn't beat the entire game in one sitting and noticed