Nintendo 64

[wise hemlock]

FREE

FTX mod and special K if you need to cap the framerate

[hearty oar]

I appreciate the link, although the mods might not lol

[wise hemlock]

It is legal, as it is abandonware

[zealous hull]

Heya, you asked me to update you. I got a rough draft of my script that automatically replaces the existing md5 value in the database file with the value of a newly generated randomized rom. Seems to be working pretty well.

I wrote mine specifically for my NAS though. If you'd like something more MiSTer specific, I can make some changes and DM you what I've got.

[wise hemlock]

Without the community patches the game is useless

shame is was not a backwards compatability title on xbox

[mellow path]

I'm living the NAS life myself. Feel free to send me via DM! Thanks!

[wise hemlock]

I would buy it on STEAM if it was released again

Ferrari Licencing is the main issue

SEGA hate money

Even the Outrun on switch the horse pixels are changes in the M2 Ages port

But we have Jotego core on MiSTer, but the M2 one is excellent too

[rose elbow]

ohh interestingly.. Donkey Kong 64 is filled up the whole screen on my CRT VGA output.. Banjo Kazooie had a squished screen on the direct vid output

[rose crypt]

videodrome 64

[sly wasp]

another broken Jotego core. 😦 That guy takes on too many new projects without finishing any old ones.. Most people would rather have someone with love for the game/console (Like Robert does for the N64) create cores properly.. I digress though as this is veering off-topic

[warped cobalt]

Does the mod add the missing sun and lens flares? AFAIK the PS2 version is far superior since PC and Xbox versions are missing the sun.

[hearty oar]

Pretty sure the PS2 version has many more trade offs and worse image quality than Xbox

Aside from the sun thing

[warped cobalt]

Well I for one refuse to play it without the sun, it loses a ton of atmosphere IMO.

[hearty oar]

You can actually fix it on Xbox if you are playing from HDD anyway

In the exact same way you can on PC, just move a file to where it was originally supposed to go

[warped cobalt]

I will have to try that. It might be good enough to put back onto my Steamdeck.

[chilly ember]

Finished Daikatana, I'm sorry everyone but it's completable

[knotty zealot]

what about the banana yellow ones? surely the color make them better

[lament escarp]

Any visual glitches in the game?

[chilly ember]

I never finished it before but nothing that stuck out to me. Just some white lines on edges of some models/textures

Doesn't happen alot

[ripe cargo]

Are you using RetroNas? If so can I PM you with a few questions? I'm in the process of setting that up now.

[brisk edge]

congratulations? 🎉

[wicked granite]

I still get some flickering of the diddy kong racing title characters in the demo loop. Normal?

[fair stump]

Update the list

[quick arch]

yes it is a known issue

[wicked granite]

@quick arch thanks

[quaint pewter]

I've got further in OoT in this core than I ever got on an emulator or even on real hardware. I'm embarrased to say I only got to Hyrule Field before and not even to the castle. Now I'm in the cucco village so I've doubled my previous progress. LOL

[hollow rune]

I am also drawn in. I've beaten it on 3DS, but running the original on MiSTer is magical

[vagrant ivy]

I have never played it

waiting for the core to be done to start

[quaint pewter]

Just got access to DALL-E 3 and having fun.

It's looking fab already Tim and I don't think the extra stuff is going to make OoT play better than it does right now?

[raw oriole]

Ooh, ai art text! That's proper next-gen

[opaque gale]

WOW this core has improved a bunch.

[raw oriole]

It's the vaseline

[opaque gale]

Looking at that compatibility list now.

Is it up to date?

[native mesa]

Minor graphics issues with OOT the standout omission is LOD textures. Other than that it's great. Clean and jaggy like the gods intended

[lament escarp]

Is that symbol in the upper left corner also there on orginal hardware?

[wanton sun]

it's the indicator of your mister that the network cable is unplugged

[lament escarp]

Why though?

[wanton sun]

sorry, was a joke, real answer: https://www.emutalk.net/threads/has-anyone-even-noticed-this.17997/

[knotty zealot]

what i see is the symbol of "you need to git gud and max out your hearts"

[knotty zealot]

robert, you are in the unique position to be able to make jokes and have people believe you. i think it's called trolling.

[mortal panther]

He deserves to have his fun, too.

[wanton sun]

we just have some fun in this channel 🙂

[knotty zealot]

fun but NO GIFS!

or else - the gif whip

[mortal panther]

Whips are fun, too.

[knotty zealot]

raw flogging

[lament escarp]

Aw well, just means you'll have to expand that crop bottom feature to all 4 sides, resi2 has a similar issue on the left side of the screen.

[wanton sun]

i tried to implement top crop together with bottom but it didn't work after 3 tries, so i left it where it is...

[native mesa]

Will it still be the symbol when RJ45 isnt used anymore and kids will be questioning why that's the network symbol? Like the save icon

[stoic parcel]

Im already feeling old because kids call a floppy disk "the save icon" Im not ready for this yet

Still stanning for BNC and token ring, damn kids

[cerulean elk]

What bad news

[lament escarp]

I feel you.

[wanton sun]

have the new VI structure in a first version ready. None of the VI features are implemented yet, but it already fetches multiline data to do the AA/dedither filtering later, stores the "result" for bilinear interpolation and prepares the line for the videoout to fetch, always at 640 pixel width / fixed clock enable rate, no matter what the input width is. It's basically the output you will get when all VI features are turned off

[eternal ravine]

Another jank masterpiece is Messiah for PC

[wanton sun]

will not upload it yet, because it's pointless with no features integrated. Also i need to test more to be sure it works under different conditions

no new version for 5 days already!

[cerulean elk]

Makes sense. Nothing to see

[stoic parcel]

Hello, I would like to say thank you for including an off switch for all of this. It's a small thing, but weirdos like me appreciate it.

[native mesa]

Is the shimmer a result of scaling in your end or did N64 actually have shimmer due to janky scaling

[wanton sun]

the picture is 640x285 scaled to 1920x1080 with all filters off in mister, going through my capture card at 1280x720, and enlarged by the image cropping tool. I guess you cannot judge anything from it 😅

[native mesa]

Got it no judgement

[wanton sun]

the game originally is 320x285, so every pixel in horizontal is currently doubled. Could be that this allows for slightly worse scaling

[zealous hull]

Afraid I'm not--it's a home server I've already had setup for quite some time, but I may be able to answer your questions?

If not, feel free to ask in the help channel.

[quaint pewter]

We can't judge anything from a feature that doesn't have the features in it yet 🙂

[native mesa]

With VI disabled by toggle will the output be 320 or 640?

[wanton sun]

videoout will be fixed to static width

so 640

[mortal panther]

Man... didn't even try to ween us off. Just forced us to quit cold turkey! 🤣

It was for our own good.

[wanton sun]

in theory a "direct resolution" could be available as toggle for HDMI only, but i don't know all the side effects yet

[stoic parcel]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExb2g3cHdrbHBvcmM0OHJ1eDhiOTllZWtzaG16bmYzM3lyeDdhOXR5ciZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/3MSWrI7DAfWXa56jEq/giphy.gif

[cerulean elk]

Sounds like a tricky task across the 1000s of devices they will get plugged into

[prisma ivy]

Made myself naseaous playing N64 this morning. Not sure if my brain isn't used to 3D games or if its the framerate.... i dunno

Sucks though. Maybe I should take some pepto bismol

[daring meteor]

How are you outputting at 640? Nearest neighbour?

[brisk drum]

Nice troll bro!

Really nailed that guy lol

[native mesa]

Dramamine

[prisma ivy]

?

[native mesa]

Not sure if it's a packaged part of upscaling but N64 averages between the extra vertical lines.

[daring meteor]

Does Robert average, that's the question

[native mesa]

Ideally both should be an option

[odd vector]

The current state of the core is more than I have ever dreamed of half a year ago. No pressure

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/wine-glasses-drink-wine-gif-26188186

[zealous hull]

Hey all, does anybody know of any other randomizers that change the first 4096 bytes of a ROM?
I've got my script up and working with Paper Mario, but wanted to extend it out if there were any others.

[spare meadow]

@wanton sun , is there any chance to adaptive scanlines to come back?🥹

[brisk drum]

Happy Oktoberfest everyone !

[paper orchid]

I haven't checked the OoT randomizer, but that's the most iconic one that comes to mind

I don't know where in ROM that game stores data so it might be unaffected

SM64 has a randomizer of some kind I believe

(by proxy to OoT, MM can also be randomized IIRC)

[ornate obsidian]

Wanted to add that my OoT randomizer did work until I updated to the latest unstable mister and its not booting anymore now?

[lone geyser]

"N64 bellybutton analog stick isn't real, it can't hurt you"
N64 bellybutton analog stick:

[woven olive]

I've had this one since I was a kid and the audio connection was awesome. Solid contoller too. I do NOT recommend the sound shift mode. When you press left on the dpad all audio comes out of the left speaker and when you press right out of the right speaker. v disorienting.

[paper orchid]

how...how did someone think this was a good idea???

[cerulean elk]

Maybe I am blind but discord search this morning is just a total constant fail….so we have all list of games that can be completed?

Discord feels like it’s hanging on by a thread in the last 48 hours

[paper orchid]

There's the compatibility sheet with all the statuses, I think a couple dozen US games are completed?

[cerulean elk]

Could have sworn @zinc dew pinned a list

[paper orchid]

Assuming people are keeping it up-to-date

It should be the...fourth pin?

#1096015979055697940 message

[cerulean elk]

I’ll just use tracker then. Maybe I manufactured a memory where there was a list in pins 🤷🏻‍♂️

Working a “games you can just play now” vid

[fair stump]

Robby removed that pin a bit ago, I believe

[paper orchid]

There may've been a list at one time, but pins getting rearranged may've knocked it off

[zinc dew]

I did have a list pinned but I unpinned it once the controller pak saving got supported because the list of “fully playable” games practically doubled at that point. List got unwieldy and I was hitting post limits.

[wanton sun]

when everything is implemented and there is still space left

[zinc dew]

I defined “fully playable” from the perspective of, I can play the game like I would on an original system. Minor bugs are fine but if I can play and save then to me that’s fully playable.

[cerulean elk]

Haha so I wasn’t crazy. Noted

[zinc dew]

I mean you might still be

[wanton sun]

either nearest neighbour or bilinear, will be an option

[zinc dew]

Sorry I know this is probably getting annoying by this point but you’ve brought me so much joy. All I play is the N64 core. Dude I literally play it daily. Thank you bringing my childhood joy back.

[wanton sun]

don't worry 🙂 i also play something nearly every day on mister now. only occasionally did that with psx and even gba

[drowsy lantern]

There seems to be something a tiny bit off with the joystick emulation. With my 8bitdo SN30 when I hold the joystick at very specific angles, Mario in Mario 64 kinds of spams in place for a frame while running. I’ll try to get a video.

[daring meteor]

Ah, wouldn't that cost resources?

Compared to just what the N64 uses

Or is it like 5 ALM?

[wanton sun]

the logic will always do bilinear like n64 does. In case it's disabled i just force the 5bit wide scale factor to zero. Cost of that is extremly low

[daring meteor]

Got it, sounds like it, very nice

[wanton sun]

so it does 3 multiplications with zero and adds it to the current color 🙂

[drowsy lantern]

Notice the little stop Mario does. I was holding the joystick still.

Only happens at 45 degree angles.

[wanton sun]

wave race PAL really needs bilinear:

[zinc dew]

Everything needs bilinear!!!!

[wanton sun]

(enlarge it for the details, e.g. the right side of the logo)

[daring meteor]

Robert

Release 2 test builds

[cerulean elk]

I spend the majority of my free time talking with all of you. Def am

[spare meadow]

Thank you so much 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😀

[daring meteor]

One for bilinear one for dedither

And call them VI alpha and VI beta

So you could call the build that introduces gamma, Gamma

[cerulean elk]

Little juke step there. Break the goombas ankles

[native mesa]

I'm thankful for Robert appeasing us Vaseline haters

[cerulean elk]

Def smoother in stills

[lean spruce]

Very exciting and cant wait to see the VI implementation, I prefer the blur on N64 games

[zinc dew]

VASELINE LIFE

[fair stump]

Vaseline bros unite

[wanton sun]

mario64 NTSC

in a game that only uses bilinear with 0.5, it's way less obvious

[daring meteor]

Oh it has a scale

[wanton sun]

what do you mean?

[daring meteor]

It's not just on or off

[lean spruce]

I can only really see the difference in the hud

[daring meteor]

Wait

Doesn't it have only 4 modes?

I'm confused

[native mesa]

Look at the edges of the mountains

[wanton sun]

no, it's the x/y scaling. It's a accumulator for x and y with 10 bit accuracy, but only 5 of these 10 bits are used for bilinear interpolation if the pixel is not hit exactly

[lean spruce]

It is almost identical

[cerulean elk]

Lol does this mean I’ve gotta capture today? 🤣

[lean spruce]

Maybe the bridge shows more of a difference

[daring meteor]

Yeah I was about to ask "Is it VI_X_SCALE", guess I have my answer hahaha

[zinc dew]

This is amazing lmao

[mild ether]

That sounds so wrong.

[cerulean elk]

You can achieve the same effect now by vigorously rubbing your eyes then opening them up and looking at the tv screen lol

[zinc dew]

lol

[daring meteor]

Use composite video to fix the core

[wanton sun]

PAL games really want that feature:

[native mesa]

Yeah pal got the shaft

[hearty oar]

I can’t wait to use a YC build with PAL games to perfectly recreate the experience I could have just by plugging in my actual n64

[daring meteor]

Lmao

[vagrant ivy]

Thats probably the best compliment Robert could ever get

[hearty oar]

Actually though, having n64 games with crisp RGB output without needing to mod my n64 is amazing, screw Nintendo for not even letting me get s-video out of my crappy late model PAL system

[native mesa]

Miyomoto was in cahoots with big Vaseline

[prisma ivy]

I feel embarrassed to ask but what's the deal with bilinear filtering and other types? Is it related to non-integer scaling?

[wanton sun]

yes

[prisma ivy]

Is there a website someone can link me to which explains Interpolation, bilinear filtering, etc

[zealous hull]

I'll check OoT and MM later today. I was under the impression the CIC wasn't touched, though I'm unsure about the combo rando. Mario 64 rando allows you to generate seeds in-game, I believe. That should be fine.

If the only case I need to cover is PM, I guess my script is done then. 😅

Also:

I'm not sure if this has been covered before, has Robert mentioned previously how he's expecting to handle transfer paks?

Do we know how the save data would interact? i.e. Transferring pokémon into Stadium for storage?

[zinc dew]

https://www.vaseline.com/

[zealous hull]

why did I click that

[prisma ivy]

Dangerops: computer damig when go to site?

[vagrant ivy]

no rick rolls yet I am disappointed

[zinc dew]

BEGUN, THE VASELINE HAS

[paper orchid]

Yeah, it depends on where OoT and MM have the data that's randomized at

[zinc dew]

#test-builds message

[paper orchid]

The first 4096 bytes is the header + bootstrap; the bootstrap might not change, but the header's CRCs might if data changes in the first MB of ROM

[zinc dew]

NEW BUILD YAYAYAYAYAYAYAY

[zealous hull]

Oh damn.

[zinc dew]

That’s not a gif it’s a sticker!

Loophole!

[cerulean elk]

lolol there goes my Analogue Pocket plans for the day

see you kids at 4 pm

[zealous hull]

Wait, so are we actually going to be seeing VI effects?

[paper orchid]

Robert only posts test cores when he knows it'll derail your plans 🤣

[zealous hull]

keep making plans, VGE!

[cerulean elk]

haha well I have the whole day so just change order of work

[zinc dew]

There’s a secret Patreon tier that’s called “ruin @cerulean elk’s shit”

[prisma ivy]

Special Brian Enhancement Build

[cerulean elk]

haha well itll keep me entertained today. Setting MiSTer up now

[hollow rune]

In what games will it be easiest to see the difference?

[vagrant ivy]

quest 6 4 !

[brazen obsidian]

went with Mario64 first, now looking at OoT, noticed the resolution right away since the frame counter is smaller hehe

[hollow rune]

That I noticed too

[wanton sun]

@cerulean elk i guess the compression kills it again 🙂

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun this is AWESOME!!

[zealous hull]

It just gets closer and closer to being like real hardware. Amazing.

[rapid prairie]

The smearing begins!

[brazen obsidian]

smoothed out textures at a distance in OoT for sure

[hollow rune]

Will look there

[compact depot]

Wait! Habemos Vaselina? 😱😱

[cerulean elk]

usually does

[wanton sun]

only 25% of it for now 🙂

[brazen obsidian]

its subtle

ahh ok

[cerulean elk]

I will 2X the bitrate in hopes but I doubt it works

[wanton sun]

you can easily show it with PAL games, they have artifacts without it

[zealous hull]

May I ask what percent of resource usage we're at now, Robert?

[wanton sun]

76

[zealous hull]

This is incredible.

[wanton sun]

bilinear scaling only costs about 120 ALM or 0.3%

[cerulean elk]

rookie numbers. Gotta get utilization down by 7 percent

[wanton sun]

just remove the full VI and turn music on...but enjoy!

[compact depot]

Lots of room for mini-TLB coming next week!

[cerulean elk]

@wanton sun bilinear on/off shows ENOUGH diff that hopefully YT wont crush it

[zealous hull]

As a jaggie-lover. I gotta admit. This feels far more nostalgic. 🙂

[hollow rune]

On Wave Race PAL I see it much more clearly

[quick arch]

the intro of DK 64 missing some screen those one have oversize

[zealous hull]

Yeah, I noticed that too.

[cerulean elk]

Mario 64 level select screen is a great example

[hollow rune]

Pal or NTSC?

[zinc dew]

Why is it so wide

[zealous hull]

Are you playing in Texas? I've heard everything is bigger there.

I'm sure you've never heard that before.

[wanton sun]

thanks, seems to be some 480i screen

[marble cargo]

Yeah the intro to Donkey Kong 64 renders in a 480i resolution specifically at the beginning with the logos. For some reason the core didn't like the interlacing, so the screen gets stretched and cut out.

[wanton sun]

it wasn't working before, was half cut off

[native mesa]

Most NTSC games should nearest neighbor scale properly right?

[quick arch]

yes I test this game first because with the 640 mode I think we could see them right

[cerulean elk]

Mario captured, good examples. Onto snowboard kids

[fair stump]

On the OoT intro, the rightmost column of pixels looks off. Is that expected?

[native mesa]

Can y'all post some vids? I'm at the barber need some entertainment

[hollow rune]

The difference in VI is very clear on Dr Mario in game NTSC

[versed cairn]

I noticed rayman 2 had weird vertical scaling issues. Maybe this will fix it. Excited to test later

[fair stump]

See the rightmost column is different

[wanton sun]

probably will be cut off when the original borders are implemented

[brazen obsidian]

I noticed that too, NTSC

[quick arch]

Star Wars Episode 1 Racer is great 640x474i

[wanton sun]

the VI has a "bug" that will make it draw 8 pixels on the right side black under some conditions. Mario64 also has that

also 7 on the left side, but that's very rare to hit

[zealous hull]

I've been playing BoTW/TotK too much. I keep pressing A to hop while I'm climbing in OoT.

[fair stump]

And the main visual bug of it has been fixed 🤘

[quick arch]

yes !

[tulip coral]

i'm clearly being thick.... but where has the discord 'test builds' channel gone? cant see it all of a sudden 😦

[fair stump]

So KI Gold is usually stretched wide for me. Now it's just a mess of pixels

Then it went to attract mode and actually looked perfect

And froze

[cerulean elk]

so far so fun...Mario 64 and Snowboard kids captured. Nice games to see the diff

[mild ether]

Did Puzzle Bobble change?

[wanton sun]

episode 1 racer seems like a good case to show 🙂

[marble cargo]

I doubt any games got fixed by the new build.

[cerulean elk]

OOT is good on the intro skybox for dithering / VI on off

[wanton sun]

the game renders in 397x474 and scales that to 640x474

[marble cargo]

yes that means mischief makers still doesn't work

[lean spruce]

OMG, wasnt expecting a new build until mid next week. I know what I´m doing this evening

[quick arch]

Lode Runner 3D is displayed great with the new build (640x474i)

[hollow rune]

First is vi off ,and 2nd is on

[zealous hull]

I don't think it can be overstated how amazing it is to be playing Ocarina of Time on MiSTer. This is so cool.

[cerulean elk]

Should be a fun vid....even if its hard to make an end run around compression

[fair stump]

WWF attitude is no longer just a white screen for me but similar now to my KI screen

[knotty zealot]

goldeneye by christmas

https://tenor.com/view/snoogs-goldeneye64-n64-nintendo-goldeneye-gif-19210861

[lean spruce]

you miss spelled Paper Mario

[knotty zealot]

you misspelled misspelled

[mild ether]

Puzzle Bobble by Thanksgiving?

[languid dune]

You miss spelled Mischief Makers!

[cerulean elk]

you misspelled 3DO

[quick arch]

Killer Instict shows correctly Rare logo (640x474i)

[languid dune]

Why can't any of us spell!?

[prisma ivy]

What, 3DO by Christmas?

[languid dune]

Anyway, heck yeah VI is here!!

Gotta test this out later!

[fair stump]

Is that PAL? NTSC looked like the above for me

[quick arch]

NTSC rom

[sharp linden]

red boxes in doom64 , what is causing it?

[fair stump]

I don't know why mine always is the one with issues

[quick arch]

maybe try restart of the core and laucnh it first

[quaint pewter]

Yay. I will go catch some bilinear chickens later in Kokoroki down or whatever it's called 🙂

[cerulean elk]

waterfall in Koriki village is a nice example of on/off too

[quaint pewter]

*town

[marble cargo]

Maybe I'm experiencing a mandela effect, but I'm noticing that the VI build introduced some lag, but an intentional lag more similar to original hardware.

[zealous hull]

That would make sense, I would think?

[marble cargo]

Like with Pokémon Stadium 2, I'm noticing the game lagging more at specific points, like how it was on the original hardware.

[ebon oyster]

w00t! I see we have a new update with the Vaseline Injector coming together.

[wanton sun]

i can't see how the Vi could add lag

maybe some resolution switch and your TV needs to adjust?

[marble cargo]

Like I said, maybe my mind is playing tricks with me.

[neat sierra]

Your brain was just lagging. You need to enable coffee

[quaint pewter]

brain fog lowering your mental draw distance

[zealous hull]

Mandela effect is real.

I myself come from an alternate dimension where the NA video game crash never happened.

Atari had just released Pitfall Bros. Wonder.

[quick arch]

For Killer instict there is some sprite clipping maybe same as diddy kong racing

[mild ether]

The one where 3DO Series 5 is the most popular console today?

[neat sierra]

I’m playing The “Berenstein” Bears on Genesis

[plucky nymph]

Noob qn: what does VI stand for?

[hollow rune]

So NBA in the Zone 2000 is showing some weird behavior. The screen smaller sized

[mild ether]

Video interface

[hollow rune]

Thank you for asking. My mom asked and I had forgotten

[mild ether]

Or Vaseline interface

[plucky nymph]

Haha. Thanks

[fair stump]

Densha de go may be a good example for VI too

[brazen obsidian]

rampage world tour is another good one

[little socket]

And here I feared development was on pause while I am on vacation

[quick arch]

@fair stump I have the same issue you describe for Top Gear Rally 2 and Castle 64 (homebrew) game

[hollow rune]

Have all high res games been scaled down? I don't think I had tested any of them before. E.g. rogue squadron

[zenith orchid]

Oh sweet! so we just have more accurate bilinear filtering?

it defintely looks smoother

its subtle but it feels right

[cerulean elk]

I do admit wave race looks good with vaseline

[zenith orchid]

Personally I never had a problem with the way the N64 looked until I plugged it into an LCD

Well, OoT was a different story because it was different from many other games, in the sense that most colors were muddy and lower contrast. particularly in the early parts of the game

N64 really shines with colorful games

[modern sleet]

And scanlines

[zenith orchid]

I never truly appreciated scanlines until I started tinkering with the MiSTer.

I really like that the CD player in both PSX and Saturn demonstrates gradient patterns so you can dial in your scanlines and interpolation modes just right to get a perfect balance between well blended dithering and gradients balanced with color clarity and sharpness.

[marble cargo]

I think the VI Bilinear setting turned on and the SNES Interpolation (Sharp) file as the horizontal filter is a nice combination.

Of course this might change as new builds get released.

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to VI being fully implemented

[oblique remnant]

Time for Vaseline Interface

[zenith orchid]

I think the only thing I would change in VI settings is the overall blur.

[zinc dew]

There’s a 640i mode??

[zenith orchid]

It seems N64 was as liberal with blur as PSX was with dithering.

even on a CRT you can see the dithering on a PSX game

I love that with the PSX core you have 32-bit and bilinear filter.

[cerulean elk]

ok got enough captures. Onto editing and VO for 4

[knotty zealot]

oh god no

[mortal panther]

Let the Vaseline coverage begin.
Apply liberally.

[knotty zealot]

🫣

[zinc dew]

oh yes

[ebon oyster]

Vaseline Injector

[eternal island]

lol

i like that

[marble cargo]

https://vxtwitter.com/YozeMight/status/1707820855072534594?t=DaMAmbWRCOjEHTYwylA7BQ&s=19

[eternal island]

oh that sounds like a good rom hack

but is it project 64 bound

nope its not

[marble cargo]

Apparently it does work on original hardware, so hypothetically it should run on the core too.

[eternal island]

my favorite area in mario 64 was the haunted area

[fair stump]

I like how each visual addition has been these pixels are too visible, make them more blurry

[prisma ivy]

I likey my visible pixels

Although the vaseline is more accurate... oh boy... I'm conflicted

Funny that because on PSX I would absolutely prefer the wobble. Wobble is what makes PSX PSX. Vaseline is what makes N64 N64 but I hate it 😂

[modern sleet]

Try using composite, dont see much difference 😉

[prisma ivy]

Hehe

I came to the mister project to get away from CRTs and yet.... I still kinda want to go back

[modern sleet]

I think with a good OLED and proper scanlines, its all you need

[deft tree]

Nice, gonna have to throw this on the everdrive

[prisma ivy]

Will OLEDs still blank out when resolution switching though

That like my only gripe really with my experience using LCD/LED so far

[knotty zealot]

if that's your problem you should probably just cling onto your tubes for the rest of your life

[prisma ivy]

Its a legit gripe

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/berg-ankit-kick-out-throw-out-get-out-of-here-gif-20129402

gripe this

[prisma ivy]

Good luck playing Chrono Cross then

[marble cargo]

Gaming monitors have a better time tolerating resolution changes from what I've seen, since they have features like dynamic refresh rates and freesync to minimize sync lose.

[knotty zealot]

damn luggers always have a GRIPE with any new tech

[slate sundial]

I just made it to the Forest Temple. That frikkin music... I'd forgotten just how good this game is.

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht672-wYelc

[marble cargo]

My monitor does a good job with the sync dropping, and with "match core frequency" turned on any desync is just gone.

[orchid nimbus]

it looks really nice now

I never realized mario 64 was such a dither fest

[prisma ivy]

I feel much regret cheaping out on my monitor. It is 1440p but that's about it

[orchid nimbus]

I'm heading towards 47 - at a certain point my mister filters are build into my eyes

[modern sleet]

NHL99 looks a bit odd now :), most likely a scaling issue

[eternal island]

i thought this was improved on a while ago. last i was playing cc on my lcd after toggling a few options it did it very rarely

might be dif on oled. too broke for one of those right now lol

no idea the model. lg 65 inch 4k something

[modern sleet]

YC core updated, should fix some of the temporary sync and screen adjustment issues for analog / CRT users

[eternal island]

does n64 look good on crt?

was having trouble with it a while back but it was many updates back

[modern sleet]

Its fine, with the adjustment to 640x237 the sync is too short I think now so i've accounted for that

[prisma ivy]

I suppose its highly dependent on your display

Are there any N64 games with frequent resolution changes?

[modern sleet]

RE2, but they are internal scaling changes, the core should output 640x237 all the time now

[eternal island]

it still does, just only about every 5th or 6th menu open

i still prefer it on crt for that reason though

[prisma ivy]

I should test out RE2 with both my 1080p set and my 1440

Uh. If it works on the core that is

[eternal island]

ill reconnect it to a crt tomorrow when my buddy comes over to beat the forbidden game

we are playing through mystic quest and the magical tales of brian

games where music was the games whole budget, with plain sounding characters, with quest in their game names

benjamin and brian

[native mesa]

Lol you can sell zora eggs to curiosity shop

[quaint pewter]

I prefer Elastica 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZEfuBLZNPo

[fair stump]

Just a note, ogre battle 64 kind of has a similar issue. If you toggle vi on and off you can see it's like it's taking the leftmost pixels and putting them all the way right

[mellow path]

I see people have noticed the mild pixel shift with VI, getting the same with MM 👍

[prisma ivy]

Oh man imagine Mystic Quest Sixty Four. 3D Benjamin. 3D platforming in a Final Fantasy game.

[orchid nimbus]

differently spelled 😄

[wanton sun]

yes, border of the image will fetch pixels from the next/previous lines

[fair stump]

If that's expected then I won't worry about it 👍

[modern sleet]

NHL99 squished @wanton sun but I guess its just a scaling bug

[zinc dew]

25%?

[mild ether]

But wait there is more!

https://youtu.be/cvfxKbpoxRE?si=Zd4TzURQ2z5Tetz-

[wanton sun]

25% blur, missing are AA, dedither and divot. Everything else should not blur

[zinc dew]

So it gets even better? Awesome!!

[prisma ivy]

Christmas gonna be lit

[wanton sun]

i wouldn't even consider AA as blur, but that is subjective. dedither does blur, but also adds value with the dither pattern being mostly gone and color shades looking better. divot is just blur and nothing else 😅

[zinc dew]

It makes sense adding AA as part of that list since it smooths the edges out

[native mesa]

Looks like we need a new analog modeline for this build?

[wanton sun]

maybe. the video out is fixed now, so all games should work with the same settings

[zenith orchid]

So divot might be the only one I would forego then 😄

[last scarab]

correct me if I am wrong, AA smoothes the jagginess on textures?

[zenith orchid]

Everything else seems necessary

[wanton sun]

of the polygon edges, not textures

[prisma ivy]

Are these all toggle-able options?

[wanton sun]

yes, all will be a toggle

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, the bilinear filter seems to handle 2d edges

[prisma ivy]

Bless you

[modern sleet]

Hsync is too short and off center right now but I have it fixed in the YC build for anyone

[prisma ivy]

Do we even realise how good we have it in 2023 with emulation? Holy 🤬

[zinc dew]

lol funny Mario 64 bug:

[zenith orchid]

Would you consider options of improved AA? I heard N64's approach is rather primitve, though I could be wrong

[last scarab]

@zinc dew looks like a water slide lol

[native mesa]

Where is your build again?

[wanton sun]

if you have better values, just tell me. As i only test hdmi, the exact values don't matter, so i don't adjust them

[zinc dew]

Noticed the water layer has this tendency to “shift around” when viewed at oblique angles

[modern sleet]

ill pm

[mild ether]

What is the test mode?

Kill_we

[wanton sun]

no idea

[zenith orchid]

Oy, in Animal Forest title screen I often have to wait for "Saving..." to occur just to access the OSD

[prisma ivy]

What is the context of this image

[marble cargo]

I'm guessing it's just a leftover debug thing?

[mild ether]

https://n64brew.dev/wiki/Video_Interface

[prisma ivy]

Ty

[mild ether]

Welcome

[prisma ivy]

Why bother having an option that warns "always leave disabled!"

[mild ether]

I think that is a warning to people making software for N64 so not really an option for end users. Very interesting if you can potentially wreck a n64 with software though.

[prisma ivy]

Ahhhh

[cerulean elk]

interesting aspect ratio you got there

[wanton sun]

looks like built-in screenshot from mister?

[fair stump]

Probably, that's what it did for me too

[native mesa]

That's the output res now

[zinc dew]

Yeah, looks normal 4:3 when I play, when I take a MiSTer screenshot that’s how it looks.

[fair stump]

The remote app usually does screenshots fine but if the aspect ratio comes out funny like that I have to try the screenshot or raw buttons to see which comes out correct

[zinc dew]

Oh there you go. The button in the screenshot menu is what’s causing it.

[native mesa]

@modern sleet is there a new Y/C build being compiled?

[modern sleet]

Its been posted for a bit now if you use the YC toggle in update all

[mild ether]

I was under the impression that things like AA couldn't be turned on and off on real hardware. Am I wrong about that?

[native mesa]

Ah I was trying github

[chilly ember]

There are gameshark codes to remove AA but that's about it

[zinc dew]

Thanks @fair stump! I posted that info in Wizzo’s discord. Basically the “Raw” option is producing the stretched image in this core.

[mild ether]

I recall there being some codes to help clean up the image but wasn't sure about what it was changing.

[wanton sun]

yes, it's to be expected, as that is the raw resolution. The scaler just forces a aspect ratio from it like a CRT does

[modern sleet]

Its here too: https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/tree/main/_YCConsole, should be fixed in the next non yc build

[mild ether]

It looks like its all configured with flags at 0xA440 0000

[wanton sun]

you will get the same if you try e.g. re-volt on the psx core

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s what I figured. My expectation is for the screenshot button in the remote script to not take raw images (but it’s nice to have that option). I gave him that feedback.

[wanton sun]

i see, yes maybe it could have a option for raw or upscaled

[mild ether]

Might have to bust out the real n64 and Everdrive this week to see what can be done.

[native mesa]

Thanks I guess I'll have to wait. I get a black screen with this build

[mild ether]

Curious about that test mode.

[cerulean elk]

lol dont think I will run the one with the actual vaseline

but its good for a laugh

[native mesa]

It's like one of those spot the difference games

[mild ether]

Do it!

I bet nobody even notices except people in the know.

[modern sleet]

Check PM

[wanton sun]

Why is it always Slippy and never Peppy?

[zenith orchid]

Ah but VI is only 25%

I'm pretty stoked for dedither and AA

[cerulean elk]

Slippy sells excitement

[zenith orchid]

once those two in, then as far as I'm concerned VI is done. but alas, divot must be implemented for it to be authentic.

I wonder if divot is what deblur rgb mods disable

[zinc dew]

Use this image from @rose elbow

[waxen lodge]

That new Mario 64 hack works and seems to play well, but the outside of the Manor is just a bit off, haha

[native mesa]

Must be one of those forbidden modes 👀

Mister is now better than real hardware. Save for TLB games

The deblur mods were kinda hacky

And usually require a solder toggle

[zinc dew]

The ability to remove all the hardware features like texture filter, dithering, and BI bilinear for the cleanest image is really pretty amazing.

[orchid nimbus]

I like pixels

[zinc dew]

Very educational. It’s like seeing the original image before alterations done.

[modern sleet]

"cleanest" without texture filter?

[native mesa]

Before VI after VI

[eternal island]

wouldnt say that quite yet. getting there

ps1 is an example of something i prefer to real. no doubt this will get to that point eventually

[zinc dew]

Yeah maybe my comment is very wrong

I don’t mean cleanest as in better

[native mesa]

he means RAW

[modern sleet]

@zinc dew Being able to toggle everything is pretty amazing though for sure

[zinc dew]

Yes, that’s what I meant! Thank you.

RAW 64

I’m a vaseline man myself

[mild ether]

This all sounds way wrong..

[cerulean elk]

locked and loaded for 4...then kitten to the vet at 6

[thick terrace]

When will he get to the red polygon in doom,lamborghini, roadsters trophy, etc?

[weary beacon]

Does rumble work in this core via USB, or only SNAC?

[cerulean elk]

seems like new cores and kitten visits align lol

[lament escarp]

Wasn't this a huge scandal when they wanted to restore a historical painting and just gave it to some guy who messed it up?

[mild ether]

It was a lady iirc

[kind solar]

how do i use rumble and a controller pack at the same time with the nso controller?

[mild ether]

Was painted on a wall at a church somewhere.

[lament escarp]

Honestly love how it turned out.

[native mesa]

It's funny seeing excitebike 64 try to emulate tony hawk and other games of that era poorly

[native mesa]

Hopefully he doesn't need anymore

[cerulean elk]

he has a small intermittent cough. Gonna get it looked at

Lux (Pepsiman) gets whatever he needs

[weary beacon]

I'm working on figuring out rumble support now. If you find any information before I do let me know please.

[native mesa]

Eating plain greek yogurt expecting vanilla 🤢

[orchid nimbus]

read the label

[native mesa]

oh its low fat too

double vom

[eternal island]

yogurt with a spin, shovel it in

[cerulean elk]

I personally HATE yogurt

of all kinds

[prisma ivy]

Yogurt goes in smoothies so its a daily part of my diet

PSA: Yogurt doesn't belong in your N64

[eternal island]

i eat plain greek yogurt a bunch. like half a container, 0%. disgusting but keeps ya less hungry for a while

[prisma ivy]

Dat protein, yo

[eternal island]

there is even a point where you start to enjoy it

[prisma ivy]

0%, do you drink it? 😂

[eternal island]

its greek yogurt. its not gonna be watery

[prisma ivy]

Ah my brain skipped over the greek part

[eternal island]

i think something at some point when i was a kid switched me to 0% everything

i think it was seeing what the fat looked like

separated

[prisma ivy]

I have 2% regular yogurt because it was too good of a price on sale. I don't really enjoy it because it's so runny

[eternal island]

i was so grossed out i just went 0%

all things dairy

[daring meteor]

So, about that

Is Saturday Wednesday?

Did Robert time travel again?

[viscid gate]

I didn't see a mention of this, but Banjo Kazooie looks odd in today's build compared to the one from 25th - there's a black area on the RHS and the frame is squished in the rest of the area

[eternal island]

wasnt it stretching things before

i think i read that

[versed cairn]

Horizontal res is now scaled to 4:3 like a real crt. Probably what you’re seeing here

[orchid nimbus]

it's WIP so things are still in motion

[lament escarp]

In oot the right most pixel column gets mirrored from the left side of the screen with vi biliniar on.

[mortal panther]

Known issue. It's happening on several games now.

[kind solar]

Yea I think that’s happening in Mario kart too

[mortal panther]

And SM64

[eternal island]

im not sure what should be correct

so ill just

ignore any explanations and pretend nothing changed

so that way i dont see it

bliss

[mortal panther]

You can't unsee it now. It's just like those tiny little horizontal aperture grille wires. That's for life!

[marble cargo]

I think Rayman 2 has a similar issue, because it has a vertical junk pixel line just like the right image.

[final knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-not-a-request-marilyn-deville-madam-all-the-queens-men-s1e5-gif-26249014

@cerulean elk New Video NOW!!

[orchid nimbus]

1tb of data moving from 1 NAS to another with an between computer is brutal

1/6th of the speed

[flint thunder]

I am having some trouble getting a picture on a CRT right after loading the core, before loading games. Any settings tips or shall I wait another build ?

[cerulean elk]

Lol 4

[daring meteor]

Specifically today's version?

Or every version?

[shrewd peak]

yeah same, it's rolling like with some of the other games

KI gold for instance

Trying a fresh install again

[flint thunder]

Just today’s version. Previous versions worked great

[main dirge]

What’s new in today’s version?

[flint thunder]

Output resolution seems different

[daring meteor]

Ask Mike, I dunno what would be different here

[viscid gate]

Yes, looks similar. It appears offset to the left because of a black area on the RHS too. I'm also seeing artifacts in that game when 8mb ram is on that aren't there with 4mb.

[marble cargo]

Actually it doesn't have anything to do with the RAM, it's the "high resolution" mode in the settings being bugged. Switching to the low resolution makes the game look normal.

[native mesa]

It's broken. Try the YC build

Next dev build will have a working modeline

[main dirge]

hmm wave race not working anymore on latest yc build for me, hangs and n64 logo

Podracer working with correct video now though, obviously the most important game on the platform

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-starwars-prequels-spinning-gif-12912782

[worn delta]

Is there noticeable slow down when going to the high Res mode?

[main dirge]

Which games have it?

[worn delta]

Pod Racer is one

[candid copper]

O_O hitting left analogue stick on the USB n64 controllers on my buddy's MiSTer causes B to get hit too

[main dirge]

Looks smooth as fuck to me, can’t see the fps counter on my cry

[hollow rune]

No slowdown but the picture gets smaller. Is that expected behavior?

[worn delta]

Oh that's a good point, will be easy to measure and compare slowdown between the modes with the FPS counter

[hollow rune]

Rogue squadron also has high res

[main dirge]

FPS counter is hovering between 40 and 30 for me during demo

[cerulean elk]

I did have some extra border on Banjo that I cropped for the edit

[main dirge]

It looks like 60 to me though?

[cerulean elk]

otherwise nothing LOOKED too off via HDMI

[flint thunder]

It’s not de interlaced

[main dirge]

So what are the most authentic n64 video settings? I’m already on a crt. Texture filter on, dithering off, vi filter on?

[weak sierra]

Like the VI Filter although leaves a vertical column on the far right

[modern sleet]

Waverace works fine for me

[main dirge]

Works for me now too, not sure what was happening before.

[modern sleet]

Core is now fixed to 640x237 output, so I dont need any of the difference clock dividers anymore, though the sync on the main core is even smaller due to the change in fixed resolution

[daring meteor]

Ah, hsync is smaller so might cause some stuff to be tight, got it
So just changing the hsync line to what you had it should be the only change now, right?

[weak sierra]

This is the only think I see either the VI filter, pixel line on the right of the screen

[modern sleet]

Yeah, it should be in the next main build

[daring meteor]

Ohhhh, did Robert say he's going to put it in? Excellent

[modern sleet]

This is why Robert works so quickly

[native mesa]

Bing has an image creator?

[left depot]

Ya beat me to it. Time to fire up this song and this core.

[daring meteor]

Nintedo 64

And I see our God is a bug

[orchid nimbus]

now do 'an 8 armed god with an n64'

[native mesa]

I'm trying the Bing one. It's slow

[zinc dew]

Nontendo 64

[final knoll]

People always ask...
Do you believe in God?
I always said no.

Until now...

[orchid nimbus]

I don't believe in a god that doesn't believe in me

[zinc dew]

I believe in you

[orchid nimbus]

no one does

[chilly ember]

Tried the Bing image creator, this is what I got

[final knoll]

@orchid nimbus I believe in you too., here have a teddy bear...🧸

[native mesa]

Mines still going. Wtf

[manic basin]

On topic off topic. I'm on a set today and we literally used vasaline on the lens and all I could do was think 'implememnting VI isn't that hard....'

[random portal]

dang

[zinc dew]

@cerulean elk did you get video of the Mind Goblin proto for your n64 showcase?

[native mesa]

Was it to simulate a drunk person?

[manic basin]

Tropey memory shot. But it's really pretty.

We're shooting 2x red komodos with $55K anamorphics. So I would hope it looks good

[mild ether]

Just add wavy lines when moving into the scene with some harp sounds and it's good?

[native mesa]

Sounds expensive to be putting Vaseline on

[manic basin]

Excellent Scooby Doo ending!

[manic basin]

We put it on the filters. So it's not so bad.

[random portal]

👀

[manic basin]

Vas'ing a rental lens that costs as much as a new car would be a power move, though.

[cerulean elk]

Lol can’t say that I even know wtf that is 🤣

[zinc dew]

DO YOU MIND GOBLIN DEEZ NUTS

😂

[chilly ember]

Got em

[random portal]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-ahhhhh-freakingout-losingit-omg-gif-4580924

[cerulean elk]

I mean it’s mostly just like eating two skittles but whatever 🤣

[chilly ember]

Taste the rainbow?

[zinc dew]

lol

[fair stump]

Robby wins

[orchid nimbus]

how old are you again?

[zinc dew]

19

[random portal]

ok I need composite for this core now :D

[hexed knot]

Can't be any winners in this situation

[zinc dew]

[hexed knot]

Awbacon lost by falling to a mind goblin (in this day and age??), and Robby lost for attempting it in the first place.

[mild ether]

Nah, it never gets old. 😄

[ruby falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/gotem-gif-18695498

[manic basin]

http://signgen.dopieral.ski:88/result?sid=umi0zf0wj2asjhvkmstupkw0

I need to fix the transparency when you do a color change. Source graphic issue, I think. The math is working, the source is exported with the wrong dropshadow luminance.

[cerulean elk]

Never heard it

I don’t hang out at the playground like @zinc dew 🤣

[versed cairn]

@wanton sun tested Rayman 2 with the new changes since I knew it did some weird horizontal scaling. It's missing info now in it's hires mode, looks like strips. fine in lowres mode. Might be a good test case.

[orchid nimbus]

hey - eh - flash warning might have been handy

[final knoll]

sorry .yeah. hope nobody's dribbling on the floor right now . ☹️

[orchid nimbus]

~twitch~

[native mesa]

You gave my mom a seizure

[plucky nymph]

Enough with the Vaseline jokes, jeez.

[languid dune]

Finally tested out that sweet sweet vaseline.

I generally think it helps 3D games, but makes 2D assets look worse.

[orchid nimbus]

yeah it's a slippery slope indeed

[native mesa]

Probably why devs stayed away from 2d on it

[languid dune]

Basically what it ultimately looks like is a half pixel shift. Not something you'd ever notice on a CRT back in the day, but on a crystal clear OLED, you can really see how the effect is done.

[versed cairn]

The horizontal bluring to 640 is probably the worst part of the VI. console modes remove it and even people that like the other filtering are happier without it.

[modern sleet]

This is a known issue NHL99 is the same:

[native mesa]

It's not bad paired with scanlines. It's not the worst though

Dedither is the worst

[versed cairn]

nah, dedither doesn't touch the ui and removes dither. I like it better

[hearty oar]

Games could control these effects with the VI status register right?

[native mesa]

Not the bilinear filter

[versed cairn]

yeah, theres options for devs

except that one yeah

[native mesa]

And not dither

[hearty oar]

Right yeah they couldn’t just scale with nearest sadly

[versed cairn]

dither can be turned off per pixel

[hearty oar]

Which yeah would hurt 2d games that wanted to look crisp

[versed cairn]

dither can be turned off for 2D. not all games do it though

we don't have that control on console though, just the devs

[native mesa]

Which makes this core the ultimate 64 experience

[languid dune]

Or rather...the Ultra 64 experience!

[native mesa]

The ultra 64 controller was the best. apparently Nintendo didn't think the world was ready for colorless buttons

[vapid moat]

New build huh - how's it looking?

[native mesa]

Slick

[covert jacinth]

25% vaselined

[prisma ivy]

Ultra, ultra, ultra (in KI tone)

[cerulean elk]

I thought you meant something different

vid in 5...should be fun

[final knoll]

Anyone know how to get rumble working on the N64 Mod kit..

I've enabled it in the first menu where it says **"Pad 1 Pak: Rumble"**and also in the "System settings / RumblePak: ON" with various games.. Currently trying it on Hydro Thunder but no joy..

i demand vibrations to go with my Vaseline.

[visual mortar]

Not working for me

[chilly ember]

I heard it works with switch mode but I never got it working

[visual mortar]

Impossible to make mapping for me in switch mode

[chilly ember]

Oh I got it mapped fine in switch mode, just had to setup in osd before loading core then mapping it. I use direct mode anyways, less lag

[visual mortar]

Oh OK, il Will try

Thank you

[chilly ember]

If having issues with c left and c up, think setting it to right stick inputs will work

[cerulean elk]

vid is loose

[final knoll]

tools down.

[kind solar]

curious how the stick differed

[native mesa]

Bro dust off your N64 lol

[cerulean elk]

never

[sinful kayak]

Anyone tried this kind of thing works great.

[uneven zealot]

noobish question, am i totally mis-rembering n64s aesthetic? Mister looks way crispier, more like PSX? what graphic settings/combo are most accurate? i'm on a consumer TV.

[latent galleon]

there's still a little vaseline left to add

[final knoll]

Ok I got switch mode mapped but still no rumble bumble....

[uneven zealot]

thank you 🫡

[final knoll]

I managed to map it like a normal bluetooth controller.. are you trying wired?.

[nimble needle]

Cheers for unearth-ing a part of my booze-ridden hippocampus from a fado ago!

[orchid nimbus]

lol

[fair stump]

Still thinking about this

[languid dune]

What in the actual fudge Robby!

[final knoll]

Brutal..

pretty sure that's bad punctuation too.

That would be Let me go, you're a fat hag.

Freekin idiots, who wrote this.

[teal sail]

No, its not AA, the most blur is from dedither filter

[odd vector]

So is vaseline implemented now?

[hearty oar]

No AA just yet, just bilinear filtering

[vapid hawk]

Wow exciting new build! Picked a bad weekend to be out of town lol can’t wait to check this out

[manic basin]

Picked a bad week to stop huffing glue.

[barren zinc]

I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.

[cerulean elk]

You are supposed to pack your MiSTer

[zenith orchid]

@teal sail apparently divot is where most of the blur comes from. but with dedither you lose some of the dither pattern and get even better perceivable color depth

[gray surge]

Any idea what is preventing Mischief Makers from working? Is it the TLB? It gets closer now :). I get to the title screen.

[languid dune]

It's TLB.

[gray surge]

Poo :). Oh well plenty of other awesome games to play in the mean time :).

[chilly ember]

Daikatana is completable

[hearty oar]

John Romero has finally made us all his bitch

[eternal ravine]

Do any of the "good" wrestling games work

[gray surge]

@chilly ember I love the Gameboy Color Daikatana. That was the definitive version I think.

Despite not being 3D.

[languid dune]

Forgot to mention that I did a very hard mode play through of Pokemon Puzzle League today. Mew Two didn't stand a chance.

[chilly ember]

Tbh the N64 version isn't that bad but it's pretty mediocre and hated on because it got so over hyped. I heard gameboy one is good but I never played

[rich delta]

This may be is a British colloquialism but it's quite common to drop the 'are a' when dissing someone. You wouldnt say 'you are a d#£khead' you would normally say 'you d#£khead'.

[gray surge]

@chilly ember give the Gameboy Color version a try. It’s like a futuristic top down Zelda.

[eternal ravine]

Once Conker works, we can revel in foul language

[chilly ember]

I'll give it a go one of these days

[gray surge]

I could always mod Mario 64 to replace all of Mario’s jubilation with random cursing.

[chilly ember]

Can't wait to feed corn to the great mighty poo

[eternal ravine]

Throw the TP I mean

[final knoll]

I just got schooled hard. Thank you

[gray surge]

I throw TP all the time in Phantasy Star Online as a force.

[eternal ravine]

I am... the Great Mighty Poo

And I'm going to throw my s#it at youuuuu

[gray surge]

My huge supply of tish comes from my chocolate star fish.

How about some scat you little twat?

[eternal ravine]

So British

Can't wait

I wish Konami had made a Penguin 64 game
The N64 could have done a nice one

@jovial briar
This video?
https://youtu.be/jFd98O8onis

[chilly ember]

Me when tlb is done

[final knoll]

Careful going through customs with your MisterFPGA if you also enjoy a little skippidy skip skip skipping with your jump rope....

I tried a flight to Europe a few months ago and customs had me on the floor before I could say Vaseline...

Turned out there was a little confusion.

[cerulean elk]

Probably thought it was an Iranian quantum computer

[quaint pewter]

Keep talking and nobody explodes.

[final knoll]

Once everything calmed down and i explained my passion for skipping and playing retro games on my fpga the security guard asked..

"But can it run Crysis?"

[quaint pewter]

"No but it can cause one"

[eternal ravine]

Airport security would be Hyperspin fans

[brisk drum]

Missed the Vaseline drop

[final knoll]

pussies

[eternal ravine]

"I just like plain text game lists"

[brisk drum]

Fucking rl bro

And to top it all @cerulean elk is flip flopping to the Vaseline team

[weary beacon]

has anyone tried 8bitdo in d-input mode for rumble. Site says on xinput is supported for rumble.

[brisk drum]

Legit mad

[quaint pewter]

It's not vaseline on his version, it's melted hog fat

[final knoll]

i tried it d-input and switch mode and no rumble for me. 😦

[weary beacon]

thank you for letting me know.

[hearty oar]

it doesn’t work in d-input mode, it should in theory work in switch mode…

[final knoll]

do you have any form on vibrations coming from your controller Steve?.

[weary beacon]

only from xinput controllers, like xbox and DS4

You know they made him in honor of me getting the best hi-scores in arcades around the lansing/detroit area right 🙂

🙂 J/K but I love telling people that haha

I liked 7, hoping 8 will be as good.

it is nice to have it be my real name and have it be annoymous now 😉

[odd vector]

Don‘t spoil Roberts next project xD

[eternal ravine]

Maybe he could crank out SEGA Model 2 for arcade

[raw oriole]

My word, I'm off Discord for half a day and Robert's pulled off another genius delivery.

I'll have to scrape all the vaseline off my LG now

[hearty oar]

Not yet, need AA for that real blurry indistinctness

[raw oriole]

Most of the vaseline off 😄

[patent dragon]

@wanton sun sorry for the mention. great work on the core. you're amazing. I have a question for VI and the Texture Filtering, Dithering and Bilinear Filtering. Are they applied in a specific order? Is the Dither applied before or after the Bilinear Filter?

[rose elbow]

oh no, my crt's not liking the new n64 build. the osd menu is scrolling and warped

[dreamy ridge]

wow i didn't even realize it was working non-hdmi yet. i need to break out the pvm

[rose elbow]

YC build? not that i'm aware. i've just been using the cores as posted in the test-build channel. 0925 worked but 0930 isn't

[raw oriole]

Don't expect it to work on non-HDMI, but give it a go. Don't raise any bugs about it.

[wild ruin]

is it time to get the n64 core on here? (of course need to rotate the screen)

[storm parrot]

how did you manage to get one of those?! are you in JP?

[wild ruin]

was just watching gameesoterica update on it

yes

[left depot]

Check the pins, Mike has been super generous with giving us YC builds of cores hours after release.

[rose elbow]

awesome, testing the ycbuild now and i'm back in :D

didn't realize. all good. thanks all

[wild ruin]

do I get the core from Piep’s patreon? (I am already) ROMs for the game I own on Internet Archive? 😄

[covert bough]

Check test builds Chanel for latest core

[wild ruin]

will try to post a photo of M64 on the astro

[covert bough]

Wonder how well it controls on those cab buttons

[left depot]

Just bought a couple raphnet adapters, surprised they are still in stock

[wild ruin]

same!! shouldn’t be difficult. may have to set up the 5 and 6th buttons tho. for the c buttons. May not still have enough tho lol

[zinc dew]

Check out my N64, I worked hard on getting the lighting and camera angle right

lol just kidding ai art

[left depot]

Lmao, what is that supposed to be with the bullets?

[lament escarp]

Not red enough

[wild ruin]

what tool did you use?

dall•e?

[zinc dew]

Twitter - https://x.com/luigiblood/status/1708220306328846601

Yakumono (@LuigiBlood)

I still enjoy bad neural network art because it's just funny to mock them

Twitter · Sep 30, 2023, 8:40 PM

[left depot]

One day bad neural network art will have a renaissance just like 8 bit pixels did

Not sure if we will be dinosaurs or oil by then

I'll admit you got me for the first couple seconds, I'm not conditioned enough yet to expect AI generation presented as photography

[compact depot]

@modern sleet any reason why YC is not part of the MiSTer framework yet?

[native mesa]

I'm not MikeS but Sorg is usually the answer

[weary beacon]

Try it out in the PSX core. Both psx and n64 controller rumbles in that core. Hopefully it will get added for us eventually here too!

[zealous hull]

Trying to finish my stupid bad script and I'm having trouble interpolating a variable into a ssh'd sed command.
All because Majora's Mask has a single quotation mark in it.

Are there any shell wizards in here than want to look at my script and make fun of me (and maybe help)?

[compact depot]

I know. But I assume sorg should be aware of this great feature? Curious to know what he could have said about it and if it will add it to the framework

[worn delta]

YC is is part of the FW isn't it? The cores need to update the FW and Mike sets something up for each of them to enable his component/S-Video work

That's my understanding of the process

[rose elbow]

funnily enough the previous test build/s worked fine for me withtout the mike YC specific builds

[worn delta]

If you mean N64 specifically, too many moving parts still to implement it and not need to keep changing things I think is the reason. Will be added in later on in the Dev cycle

[native mesa]

The new modeline will be in the next build. Robert just doesn't test for analog

[cerulean elk]

Your mom insisted

[primal bolt]

im on CRT... I like all the effects on

[rose elbow]

thanks robert and mike and everyone for keeping the test builds rolling and playable :-)

all appreciated

[compact depot]

Nah! It’s in general. YC should be in the framework as several cores might take advantage of it

[native mesa]

He'll be back once Vaseline levels increase

Or stay moderately lubed

[vapid moat]

Dithering still looks bit odd with the whole dot-like layer on it

[rose elbow]

yeah 25 build with the dithering but no VI/vaseline i was a bit on the fence which looked better because the dithering can look quite extreme, but i still opted for it to stay on after a while. was really noticable with gradients having extra colours

obviously still work in progress, fun seeing it built up little by little and understanding what the core is doing though

[chrome quest]

But I general, thinking of many cores, YC is already in the main framework. Was added a decent while ago. N64 is the exception, just for now while in progress

[modern sleet]

For n64? It will be, Robert is just keeping resources slim until later on

Shadowmasks is also not enabled

[compact depot]

Oh, it’s already in the framework! Thanks @chrome quest

[compact depot]

It makes perfect sense! Thanks!

[weary palm]

A test build of my "detect save type and peripherals by cart ID" version of MiSTer main, as well as a (much smaller) database file. The DB could be shrank quite considerably because of the removal of the many, many duplicates. No more need to add a new entry for that 47th ROM hack of SM64, as long as they use the same internal ID as the original. I will submit this as a PR if You think this is a good added functionality.

[native mesa]

Awesome

I guess it will only be an issue if the hack changes the save type for some reason

[weary palm]

yes, then you will need to add a MD5

[hearty oar]

nice I assume this lives in code for now, but would it be possible to have an ID/region/revision version of the DB file in data as well at some point?

oh no I can see it in your DB file lol

ignore me

[weary palm]

great 😉

[hearty oar]

that's awesome

[weary palm]

took quite some work to compose that DB

it should be mostly correct

[brisk drum]

That Chicago talk again ..

[weary palm]

it's based on metadata found in Mupen64 and Ares.

[modern sleet]

New changes from Robert forced 640 pixels per line instead of 320 which shrunk the Hsync, it will be fixed in the next release

[rose elbow]

ohh thanks for explanation! was curious :)

awesome

[native mesa]

YC is a little dongle right?

[modern sleet]

YC (S-Video) is in the framework, it's enabled in the ini file.

Composite requires a dongle to combine YC and adds filtering for the rainbowing, but the dongle also makes it easier to connect directly using standard svideo and composite cables.

[trim seal]

Ok so the Rare logo in DK64, which was only showing half of is now completely absent? Just me?

[zealous hull]

Nope, that's happening for everybody.

[trim seal]

Good to know, cheers.

[modern sleet]

It's a known scaling bug maybe a 480i bug

[zealous hull]

@mellow path I basically completely wiped my old DM's to you and sent you a more concise description of my script, and attatched my updated bash script. It currently only supports Majora's Mask, Ocarina of Time, and Paper Mario randomizers. Who knows if it will eventually just be obsolete.

It could very well be rendered obsolete by yxkalle's updated MiSTer build.

[trim seal]

The look of this core, with this update, has started pinging that part of my brain that remembers what it looked like back then. The familiarity is starting to feel a lot more tangible. Muscle Memory feels a little more accessible. Crazy.

[hearty oar]

@weary palm can confirm your build is working nicely to load a couple different romhacks without the need to add specific DB entries

as intended

[weary palm]

Great 🙂

Thank you for testing

Submitted a PR. Fingers crossed.

[cerulean elk]

Back from vet. What did I miss

[kind solar]

Cores finished

[cerulean elk]

Damn. Better go make a new vid 😂

[surreal summit]

Cat tax

[manic basin]

Congrats on getting tutored!

[cerulean elk]

Cat was making a weird coughing noise when pet. Wanted to get it checked. He only does it when he purrs so vet thinks he just purrs like an idiot and can’t figure out how to do it. Or the start of a tiny cold. Nothing needing treatment

I admit to being a very “get it checked out” mentality type of person so I took him in

Kitten lives here now and depends on us for everything…so he’s gonna get everything 😂

[surreal summit]

Kittens, just like human babies, get sick a lot, but it's better to be safe.

[chilly ember]

Is he gonna get his Pepsi?

[left depot]

Apparently a lot of cats, including mine, never drink water and gain weight on kibble. So wet food ftw.

[cerulean elk]

I still call him Pepsiman but it’s Lux

[cerulean elk]

He’s up to healthy weight. Showed up eight days ago 450 grams. Now 850. Right in the optimal zone. Little guy eats wet food and kibbles like it’s his job

[left depot]

Does he spray?

[elfin depot]

My Floofer is 10205 grams 🙂

[cerulean elk]

No. But he’s gotta get his veg taken off eventually. @zinc dew you are neutered? Any advice I can give the kitten what that’s like

[left depot]

Yea that's good. Make sure to do that before he starts.

[worn delta]

There is a whole chat for pets that would be a better place to talk about cats...

[left depot]

Also declawing is pretty inhumane. Just getting mine fixed made him suuuuper depressed for like a week, understandably.

[zinc dew]

lol he maldin

[cerulean elk]

Our last cat was declawed. He came that way as a rescue at 2 years old. Def did not do that to him

[left depot]

Alright to change the subject what remains beside VI, YC, and TLB? It seems there are some gremlins for certain games but does Robert know what they are from?

[cerulean elk]

I think that’s it

[zealous hull]

Transfer Pak?

[cerulean elk]

Your list and tracking down the ghosts in the machine

Granted TLB maybe will be stages with secondary bug fixing? Who knows

[left depot]

Like those translucent textures showing up black in Dr Mario, are those a ghost in the machine?

A ghost in the shell?

[hearty oar]

there are still some small visual issues here and there, ie in Smash Bros some full screen textures go red while fading out

[manic basin]

Yeah, if you wanna get fancy, transfer pak, DD, and mouse. But those last two aren't technically part of it. Some audio call isn't happening in the Portal homebrew. But I dunno if that's not some edge case audio usage.

[left depot]

Ooh thanks for reminding me about that Portal beta

[manic basin]

It's so good

And those minor timing issues causing Shindou Wave Race and Waeleilei to not see eeprom on boot.

[worn delta]

RTC and cheats (if there is room)

[zealous hull]

I believe Robert floated the idea that cheats could end up being fairly light, moreso handled outside of the confines of the core.

[manic basin]

Oh right. And RTC so you can shut up KK

[zealous hull]

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Robert on cheats

[worn delta]

Are all the parts of RSP and RDP (I think that's the chip names) in there now?

If someone is testing might be worth checking if Morita Shogi 64 is playable now, that is the cart that has the built in modem, so would be interesting to see if that can be played without the modem support or if needs some mapper to be playable

[zinc dew]

There’s a transparency issue with Ridge Race 64

I just assume a minor bug in the RDP

[cerulean elk]

Wild to think we’re down to this level of stuff

Six weeks ago it was “hey look. This is kinda like Mario 64. If it was broken and your cartridge was tilted”

[worn delta]

It does feel like the core may be pretty much done by Xmas at this rate which is wild

What is the status of SNAC? Is that going to require Robert to do any work?

[dusty tusk]

Crazy how good this core is getting

[trim seal]

I think we all misinterpreted Robert words. 1 game by Christmas....also the rest of the games.

[acoustic saffron]

Does disabling the visual effect options improve framerates?

[zinc dew]

No

[slate sundial]

The same effect could also be achieved by using a soft horizontal filter within the MiSTer's video filters.

Obviously this is not necessary, just pointing out that it's kinda similar

[zinc dew]

disabling it makes Miyamoto shed a tear

[slate sundial]

So the N64 is a little blur factory! I take it there's:

• texture filtering (blur)
• dithering (grain scattering of banding)
• dedither (another layer of blur)
• VI (horizontal blur)
• divot (even more horizontal blur)

Is that all? I can't wait to adjust each and see what was really going on under the hood all these years 😁

[deft tree]

Finally setting the core up and hauling my romset over

[left depot]

Was the RTC on cart or baked into the N64 hardware? I swear I'm putting a new cr2032 into my Dreamcast every few months

[worn delta]

On the Animal Forest cart

[left depot]

Right, that makes sense

[worn delta]

There is no RTC inside the N64, but there was one inside the 64DD

[left depot]

Nice, I know practically nothing about those particular double DDs

[manic basin]

And one accessory cart...like GameShark or something.

[left depot]

Hopefully this core could change that someday, giggity

[worn delta]

Oh, I wasn't aware any other cart has an RTC in it

[cerulean elk]

It’s like using butter, oil, lard and duck fat on the same dish

[manic basin]

I read it somewhere, but the Internet is the Internet, so it may not be true.

And I'm not 100% sure if it was GameShark. The 'why' test makes no sense.

[elfin depot]

These ones have batteries at least: https://consolemods.org/wiki/N64:List_of_Nintendo_64_Games_with_Save_Batteries#:~:text=All known games have CR2032,with corrections from multiple lists.&text=Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr.&text=The Controller Pak (Memory Card) also uses a CR2032.

Looks like animal Crossing had RTC

[worn delta]

Yeah Animal Forest is the one game that did

[zinc dew]

Did Forest Crossing have RTC?

[left depot]

Weird to think some games were still password save, always hated those even though I could look up codes and use them

[elfin depot]

Didn't some games (Castlevania on PSX?) use your username to generate random passwords so you couldn't share/look them up?

[weary beacon]

This has probably been asked but

Is the VI bilinear the same blur that the deblur options on n64 mods target?

[manic basin]

Animals have a blind watchmaker.

Yeah, I think what I read (which I can't find anymore) was mixing up the DD.

[prisma ivy]

Mmm Sim City 64

[left depot]

Great question I grew up with Nintendo, that definitely seems like a thing PlayStation would have that Nintendidn't

[manic basin]

I'm currently on the worst internet in Washington State though.

The studio we're in is...not...good.

For internet. Fine for studio...ing.

[slate sundial]

you've seen me cooking!

[slate sundial]

this is where, if possible, save states come to the glorious rescue

[slate sundial]

that is pure evil

[weary beacon]

I beat the forest temple but forgot to open the mister menu and save my progress :(((

[slate sundial]

I'm getting the impression that they targeted divot, as that appears to be the most aggressive of all N64 blur modes (from what I'm reading)

[weary beacon]

Ive been trying to find a .sav file for oot so i can just explore hyrule freely but ive had no luck

[weary beacon]

What is "divot"

Well ig u just explained it

[slate sundial]

I was actually gonna suggest also that, with this being a beta core, it might also be worth backing up save game files each day (if playing something like OOT), as there's a chance of a save being corrupted and bye bye game progress

[weary beacon]

Im not too attached to this particular save file but yeah that is a good idea

[slate sundial]

I think it's a 3pixel horizontal blur, the thickest of all vaselines

[chilly ember]

My animal forest save got corrupted and erased itself lol. That's one to be careful with

[weary beacon]

Most excited for the N64 "Anti-Aliasing" to be implemented

Or i guess VI dedither as it is called?

[weary beacon]

Apparently those are seperate actually

Hmm

Now i am confused

[slate sundial]

I think de dither is another layer of filtering (likely across entire screen, not local only to textures, as banding/dithering are also across entire image)

[slate sundial]

and AA is for cleaning jaggies along polygonal edges

Some AA techniques can actually cause an entire image to blur, so I'm intrigued to see what this on/off looks like on a N64 (confined to edges, or entire image softening)

[weary beacon]

Ahh

I guess im not too interested in AA

[manic basin]

AAh

[weary beacon]

;)

[zinc dew]

lol

[weary beacon]

See what u did there

[cerulean elk]

Only way to do it!

[left depot]

Dang I was hoping Wave Race Shindou would boot

[manic basin]

Set save type to none in System Settings

Known issue.

[weary beacon]

If 32 bit color ever becomes a feature we will probably never wanna bother with these blurs again though!

[left depot]

Hey I can do that! Thx for the workaround!

[zinc dew]

Wave Race Shindou with the translation patch works for me

I added the md5 + save type in my user n64 database txt file

[manic basin]

You probably have it set to no save

Or eeprom16 which will boot but not save.

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[chilly ember]

I have a save i posted at the end of oot gamecube version if you really wanted, i highly suggest finishing the game from start to finish but this would let you explore

[zinc dew]

SRAM32

[left depot]

YAY