Nintendo 64

[paper orchid]

(by day off I mean I have COVID+Flu vaccines aftereffects)

[zealous hull]

I feel as though I've started something I shouldn't have. 😅

PM doesn't even run yet. lol

[paper orchid]

Nah, this is me being curious

[zealous hull]

I was just asking if something was even possible, I wasn't even trying to get Robert to update anything.

[paper orchid]

According to what I'm looking at there's A) the bootstrap, which probably isn't changing, and B) a CRC across the first megabyte of the ROM

That's contained in the first 4096 bytes

[heady mason]

Oh, first megabyte... so well past the header? Hmm, right.

[paper orchid]

The randomizer might not be changing the bootstrap, but that CRC might be changing if there's other content calculated

But, a good question here is: how common is the bootstrap across multiple games?

[mild ether]

I don't care either way because I don't update the database or need it updated personally but I find it interesting.

[zealous hull]

Unfortunately, Paper Mario Randomized is what I play on my EverDrive probably a good 90% of the time I turn it on. 😅

I do like a run every 2 weeks. lol

[paper orchid]

OK, so I think I found the web UI version which is great because it means I can be lazy rofl

[zealous hull]

Again, really didn't meant to start all of this.

[mild ether]

No, this WAR is on you now. 😂

[zealous hull]

dammit

I'm sorry everybody.

[wanton sun]

it's required, because the rom itself doesn't hold all the required information. All n64 emulators i know use a database either in code(compiled) or external

[zinc dew]

I forgot I had this

[wanton sun]

wait, that exists as original?

[vagrant ivy]

The other reason why the database is going to be only official is that it stops stolen leaked info from being added to it and possibly getting the big N interested

[wanton sun]

i thought it was only a gamecube backport?

[zinc dew]

👀

[lament escarp]

It's probably a reproduction.

[mild ether]

Chinese knock off?

[wanton sun]

but it has the seal!

[paper orchid]

Alright, got a patched ROM

[rose elbow]

hopefully they swapped the a/b icons

[topaz otter]

I wonder how long these repros actually last

[mild ether]

Seal of AliExpress quality

[lament escarp]

And the L in the menu!

[zinc dew]

Hopefully it doesn’t freaking say L-targeting

[orchid nimbus]

@manic basin made that 😉

[paper orchid]

Alright, so looking at the header, CRC1 and CRC2 are being changed (makes sense)

[topaz otter]

Also i worry about putting them in a 30 year old console

Because if the chinese didnt get the voltage right

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-tos-apollo-zap-shock-gif-18131306

[orchid nimbus]

ILM quality right there (for the time)

[mild ether]

I don't think that is a real concern or at least I think it was overstated personally.

[prisma ivy]

Plus ten points for TOS gif

[paper orchid]

Aha

[zinc dew]

The menus are fixed and it says Z-targeting!

[paper orchid]

So the bootstrap between the PM ROM and a randomized version are the same

[prisma ivy]

Wait what? What do you mean?

[zinc dew]

WOW SO COOL

[paper orchid]

The CRC1/CRC2 changing is what's causing it, so the PM64 randomizer is changing data in the first MB of the ROM

[zinc dew]

RED = COOL

[rose elbow]

thats sick

[paper orchid]

But, it's not changing the bootstrap

[prisma ivy]

Those two colors together are hurting my eyes

[vagrant ivy]

see PM

[zinc dew]

Red and red?

[vagrant ivy]

Red and Robby's fingers

[topaz otter]

You say as we are all reading a discord call about running roms on a mister

And pictures of repros

[vagrant ivy]

Which were not stolen in a hack of Nintendo Corporate

[paper orchid]

My assumption is the CIC is using this checksum information somehow, otherwise there would be little reason to update CRC1/CRC2

[devout leaf]

Historically being stolen, legally obtained, or created from scratch has never stopped Nintendo.

[iron trail]

If anyone wants patches that fix the GameCube buttons, etc for the GCN versions of OoT/MQ/MM, they're available here: https://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=5161.0

Here's a list of patches for The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask Gamecube roms that should revert all of the cosmetic changes, emulation related changes, bugs/glitches, and various censorship changes.

[topaz otter]

This is true, and I'm not disagreeing with you.

[deft tree]

https://x.com/qwertymodo/status/1707641060489679315?s=46&t=HWVuKjRVwZ90DwvT2xG9-w

qwertymodo (@qwertymodo)

Anybody need an N64 DexDrive? I have... a few of them.

Twitter · Sep 29, 2023, 6:18 AM

[zinc dew]

Lol wow

[vagrant ivy]

Scalper !!!

[topaz otter]

But what differentiates it because nobody says anything about the dinosaur planet rom that has made its way around

[vagrant ivy]

put them on Ebay with Look Rare

[mild ether]

It does. Halts the CPU if it doesn't match.

[deft tree]

He’s constantly paranoid about big N and trying moderate this channel based on his neurosis

It’s ongoing

[paper orchid]

Right, so not really any way to get around this

[topaz otter]

its his channel, hey we'll abide by the rules of the channel, I got no problem with that

[vagrant ivy]

not my channel

and I am not moderating just expressing why its a bad idea to highlight that topic

[deft tree]

Not his channel nor is he a mod. Lol

[zealous hull]

A shame. But I really appreciate you looking into it!

I'll just write a shell script. 🙂 Automate the boring stuff.

[topaz otter]

its hard because there are youtubers making dozens of videos a day about nintendo leaks or beta roms or whatever

[mild ether]

Well you can NOP out the branch instruction that halts the CPU but that changes the MD5.

[zealous hull]

He is--however--an Enchanter.

And we should respect Enchanters.

[topaz otter]

and its hard to keep that content out

[zealous hull]

They have power we've yet to fully realize.

[rose elbow]

oo thanks. especially useful for master quest. (not quite sure why you'd wanna play a patched version of gamecube majora's mask instead of just playing mm(?)

[paper orchid]

Right, now, just a thought, and I don't know how hard this would be in terms of the MiSTer/core

[vagrant ivy]

The you tubers are doing it for views.

[paper orchid]

If we're using MD5 sums to lookup in a database file, could the process be modified to not look at CRC1/CRC2?

[vagrant ivy]

Discord though has strict guidelines on copyright and the server can be punished if they are broken

[topaz otter]

punish robby instead, make him stand on his head and take a picture of it

[mild ether]

You could do a md5 above and below it?

[zealous hull]

I feel like we punish Robby enough with the pin requests.

[deft tree]

You’re so completely off base on this

[mild ether]

Don't know.

[zealous hull]

It's a good thought

[deft tree]

Talking about this stuff is not verboten

[paper orchid]

You could, or you could also MD5 it as if the CRC1/CRC2 were "0", there's a few ways to tackle it

[vagrant ivy]

Not going to argue with you. Thats why we have the Rules for the Server

[cerulean elk]

Lol nobody does anything on YT except for views. That’s like saying everyone goes into the water to get wet. Just how it works

[deft tree]

You’re the only one constantly paranoid about it and constantly derailing good conversation because you’re obsessed with Big N

[paper orchid]

That would mean fewer MD5 sums needed though. Smaller database (potentially), easier to maintain database (again, potentially), and randomizer-friendly

[lament escarp]

I go in the water to stop smelling bad

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/well-im-out-guys-kyle-broflovski-stan-marsh-kenny-mccormick-eric-cartman-gif-22818971

[deft tree]

I’m in dozens of servers where copywritten information is in fact shared heavily and discord isn’t doing shit

Simply talking about a known event is not prohibited

[vagrant ivy]

Thats fine for you here you agreed to the rules when you joined

[deft tree]

You’re so dense lol

[chrome lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/hawkeye-marvel-obcrack-this-has-gotten-very-real-very-quickly-gif-25114164

[zealous hull]

Respectfully, this argument doesn't really matter.

[deft tree]

I know it doesn’t, that’s why I’m annoyed at him constantly derailing conversations acting like he’s a moderator when it’s not actually a problem

[cerulean elk]

Lol well I see the writing on the wall in here now. You kids have fun. Good luck @zinc dew 🤣 imma go to a diff channel

[deft tree]

And since he has a special colored name a lot of people take it at face value instead of realizing he’s just being paranoid about nothing

[vagrant ivy]

If you bothered to read the conversation that brought this up you will see its directly relevent

[deft tree]

It’s not

[zealous hull]

I understand. I just feel like things have been derailed even further.

[languid dune]

This isn't funny Robby!

[zealous hull]

Could we at least take this out of the N64 channel.

[chrome lodge]

You guys are breaking my immersion

[zealous hull]

Just DM your agressions out to each other.

lol

SO WHAT'S EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE N64 GAME?!

I like Paper Mario!

[topaz otter]

Quarts 65

[zealous hull]

Dude I love Quarter 69!

It's so immersive.

[deft tree]

Tim is literally the kid who would raise his hand and be like “teacher didn’t we have homework due today?”

[quaint pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/klitoris-give-quiche-a-chance-polymorp-red-dwarf-rimmer-gif-16350829

calm down calm down

[mild ether]

Sorry wasn't meant as a reply to you

[paper orchid]

lol I figured as much

[mild ether]

Be nice.

[zealous hull]

Be like Brian.

We should all strive for Brian-hood.

[chrome lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sigmund-freud-eyebrow-raise-flirt-i-know-you-want-it-gif-13370300421562285247

[zealous hull]

Robby, pin my comment! /s

[deft tree]

I’m brian to play some quest

[zealous hull]

hell yeah

[mild ether]

This is a server to talk about playing games that are decades old. Hard to get upset about anything that could possibly happen here.

[zealous hull]

Just wanted to let you know that I'm making the choice to be very offended by this comment.

[raw oriole]

Guys.

Stop.

cough

[deft tree]

Amen.

[raw oriole]

Tch.

@deft tree Drama infraction. Time out.

@jovial briar You too.

[vagrant ivy]

it would be amusing if I ever sent one to Wasabi

[mild ether]

So how about them Packers?

[zealous hull]

You know what? I've changed my mind about you. You're a cool guy.

[paper orchid]

🤮 (/s)

[languid dune]

Oh god.

[paper orchid]

(my dad's from green bay, i'm required to acknowledge them)

[primal bolt]

Da Bearz

[cerulean elk]

Topic change: Turok 2 is such a diff vibe from the first game

[languid dune]

I know Awbacon loved hearing about the Packer game last night!

[mild ether]

Yeah? I don't care what they say about you either you're alright.

[primal bolt]

Turok 3 sucks dont it

[zealous hull]

Better, or worse?

[cerulean elk]

Even capturing a bit for the TLB video I was reminded how much that series pivoted between games

[cerulean elk]

Just different

[prisma ivy]

I'm hoping to find time to play Pokemon Snap tonight

[lament escarp]

It is, I never played the third one though.

[languid dune]

Cerebral Bore for the win!

[primal bolt]

I rented Turok when it came out... was good

I think I bought it too

[wanton sun]

i never made it past the third level in turok2...i can't remember anymore if it was too hard (ammo ran out), confusing to find the way or just boring

[iron trail]

Well, prior to a few builds ago, the GCN were the working version 🙂
Now, aside MQ, not really much. There are some bug fixes, text changes, etc

https://tcrf.net/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Version_Differences#GameCube
https://tcrf.net/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Majora's_Mask/Program_Revision_Differences#GameCube

[prisma ivy]

It can't be said enough that its SO fetch that we have this core

[languid dune]

I think the biggest change between Turok 1 and 2 was the frame rate...

[cerulean elk]

Kind of a little of all of the above

[lament escarp]

For the better though, rite?

[cerulean elk]

Even in the intro area of Turok 2 it kind of just stumps you a minute in

[prisma ivy]

I'm still a bit sour that chatGPT lied to me and told me there were two Gundam games on N64 with one being a train simulator

[lament escarp]

That sounds amazing!

[cerulean elk]

Speaking of train sims I still need to build controls for a Densha arcade board

Then wonder why I spent the time to do it after it’s done

[prisma ivy]

CHOO CHOOOOOO HERE COMES THE GELGOOG AT SUNRISE STATION

[broken cradle]

I remember owning turok and the whole time going wtf am I playing

[paper orchid]

@cerulean elk Just go buy a panel, then an arcade cab to put the panel on

[broken cradle]

It's the weirdest game I ever played

[cerulean elk]

Sure. Can I borrow your credit card? 🤣

[paper orchid]

Then look at it, give a nod or two, and go do something else

[lament escarp]

I'm sour there is only one translation for neon genesis 64 and that's in korean. English is the neutral ground of fan translationa imo.

[paper orchid]

⭐ a r c a d e c a b o w n e r s h i p ⭐

[paper orchid]

Too late, already used it out on, well

[cerulean elk]

I like to think Turok and Prey are in the same universe. Turok just had to skip town and changed his name…but trouble followed him lol

[prisma ivy]

All these years and there is no NGE English patch? Wow

[prisma ivy]

Lol

Are there any fun weird Japan only titles?

[lament escarp]

It hurts so much, someone make it stop! 😭

[orchid nimbus]

sin and punishment

[prisma ivy]

GET IN THE FPGA, ROBBY

[paper orchid]

S&P is not that weird (the story makes total sense, maybe, if you're like really deep into it)

[prisma ivy]

Mannnnn

Why didn't Nintendo make Star Tropics 64?????

[paper orchid]

SERIOUSLY

[languid dune]

Sin and Punishment definitely gives weird vibes when that cut scene starts up right after booting it up. "Achi....Achiiiii"

[paper orchid]

I want more startropics 😭

[cerulean elk]

N64 didn’t have enough weird games

[manic basin]

Makin Fetch happen. I love it.

[prisma ivy]

Hahaha I'm glad someone picked up on that

[cerulean elk]

PS1 and Saturn wipe the floor with 64 when it comes to “weird”

[prisma ivy]

Nintendo sittin on a... bronze mine here

[paper orchid]

To be fair, the ST sequel was...alright. It was good but not as memorable to me as the first

[manic basin]

It's one of my faves.

[languid dune]

They also wipe the floor with N64 when it comes to quality games. ||Runs to Saturn thread!||

[prisma ivy]

Mario. Of all people to say this lol

[lament escarp]

I REALLY like NGE you know...

There should be tamagotchi cores. Dunno how that would work but there should be.

[vagrant ivy]

there is a core

https://github.com/agg23/fpga-tamagotchi/releases

[lament escarp]

Damn! I have to check that out.

[vagrant ivy]

its not part of the offical update all

I think its off one of the misc options

[lament escarp]

Turbo 1800x 🤣

[quaint pewter]

I'm very partial to Blast Corps but got to emu/real hardware it still at the moment. 🙂

[manic basin]

Portal, once we get sound.

[quaint pewter]

Rare logo spins then crash. I'm assuming it's a tlb hit.

[eternal island]

lol.. buddy is coming over sunday to try to beat a certain n64 rpg

[manic basin]

But that says more about the game design than N64. Proper games, I think my favorite is turning out to be Cruisin the World.

[eternal island]

i told him if he does, ill play through mystic quest.. a game that spent its entire budget on its sound track

[hollow rune]

Aidyn Chronicles?

You will need some time

[mild ether]

Dr Mario is probably my current favorite game. It's timeless like Tetris.

[lament escarp]

I think brian is more approachable than aydin as a mc because he is just like me.

[mild ether]

And Vivid Dolls because it exists.

[hollow rune]

I know, I was just joking

Of course they will play Brian

[eternal island]

now im going down the rabbit hole of mystic quest music to see if it was as good as i remember...

and it is

so that makes me a bit happy

[languid dune]

In all seriousness, I'm a massive Nintendo fanboy. Always have been (shocking I know!). But the N64, even though I do love it, is easily my least favorite Nintendo console. I honestly think I even prefer the Wii U for its weirdness and it being the only console with Xenoblade X on it!

[eternal island]

i swear its like some mix of megaman x soundtrack and final fantasy..

[primal bolt]

I think I like N64 better than Wii, Wii-U, and Switch

[eternal island]

my favorite nintendo consoles are probably snes and switch. a tie

[vagrant ivy]

Wii had the benefit of the unique controller

[eternal island]

think they did great with the switch

[primal bolt]

I like NES, SNES, and GameCube better than N64, though

[languid dune]

I love the Wii. It has a ton of fun games on it.

[lament escarp]

Did you know brian is also on gbc? That way you never have to be without brian.

[languid dune]

SNES is easily my favorite Nintendo console.

[primal bolt]

its hard to choose between NES and SNES

[prisma ivy]

The music of Mystic Quest is the best part. Those two battle themes... DAMN

[eternal island]

gc/wii are up there, but i hadn't felt the same as i did with snes til the switch

[prisma ivy]

saaame

[eternal island]

even the normal area music is pften good... check out doom castle

[primal bolt]

a lot of Switch games I have better versions on PC, but its good for exclusives for sure

[left depot]

Wii U is easily the worst of them all imo. Virtual boy doesn't count

[languid dune]

I love that they included Mystic Quest music in Theatrhythm.

[eternal island]

and the last boss... god damn that music goes hard for a boss that melted so easy

[primal bolt]

Virtual Boy counts

[prisma ivy]

when me and some friends play Catan, I put on the soundtrack for Mystic Quest at some point during the day. We play a long game.

[primal bolt]

but its more of a portable

even though its not really portable

portable hybrid

[languid dune]

My Nintendo fanboy nature becomes clear when I tell people that I bought the Virtual Boy on day one. $180 baby!

Still have it.

[eternal island]

imo its better than some mainline ff games soundtracks. ill play it only for that reason alone

[prisma ivy]

It's fun to think what developers could have done with the system given enough time

[primal bolt]

I bought a virtual boy back then

[prisma ivy]

Virtual Star Tropics! lol

[primal bolt]

rented it first

[lament escarp]

I take it robby got the idea for his n64 from the virtual boy

[primal bolt]

is the core gonna have 64DD support or is that too much work?

[mild ether]

I still own a virtual boy and I said I would always hang on to it because someday it will probably be worth money.

[primal bolt]

when I was gonna buy an N64 again i was gonna get 64DD just so it looks cooler on the shelf

[mild ether]

That day never came.

[prisma ivy]

Apparently this got a translation to english. That's fun

||but does the patch modify the CIC||

[primal bolt]

cool

[topaz otter]

Turok 2 is dark and weird, its like it has a biohorror vibe

turok 1 has a guy dressed as an indian trying to kill a guy dressed as a mayan god lol

also one of the bosses is a 1992 land rover

[languid dune]

The fan translation rom I'm using already has the cic in the current database file.

[mild ether]

Lol, maybe that is worth playing.

[primal bolt]

you mean dressed as a Mayan trying to look like Quatzecoatl alien?

[prisma ivy]

rad!

[primal bolt]

reptilian represented by bird

[mild ether]

Ok, it goes on the list of games to try.

[primal bolt]

dont you fight on a UFO in Turok 2

or a mothership

its definitely different than Turok 1

but I like it

[topaz otter]

I don't what he was trying to be but one shot from the chronoceptor and he looked like a jackson pollock painting

[brisk edge]

The Turok series has some really wild lore if you look into it

Lots of aliens, time travel, multiple universes, etc

[prisma ivy]

that description makes me want to play it

[topaz otter]

You go to the primagen's lightship

[primal bolt]

this?

[topaz otter]

yeah thats him

[primal bolt]

yea looks more like a gladiator

[topaz otter]

fuck that dude

jumps around like spidermand and goes HA

[brisk edge]

You also rescue children from cages in Turok 2 lol

[primal bolt]

lol

thats funny

[brisk edge]

Turok 3 starts in an office building

[topaz otter]

these are wacky games

acclaim knew that the N64 crowd was a wacky audience

the first game legit has some great level desigh though

[primal bolt]

well its based on conspiracy/galactic history/alien lore

[topaz otter]

the second one has too much backtracking and jumping on spinning floating hamburger platforms

and the controls are just not up for it

its imprecise and laggy

[primal bolt]

the dinosaurs were brought to earth by reptilian biped aliens in galactic history lore

Turok 2 shows the aliens

[topaz otter]

if I'm not badly mistaken the lost world is like, another dimension?

and the campaigner and tal set were trying to kill each other during the indian wars?

[primal bolt]

the best versions are the remastered PC ones

[topaz otter]

the campaigner was like in the cavalry or something

he was like custer

and they fell through a wormhole and landed in the lost land

and the col. became the campaigner and tal set became turok

[primal bolt]

oh i didnt realize Turok 3 is on N64 i was confusing it with that crappy Xbox one

[topaz otter]

it runs badly on the n64

[primal bolt]

not surprising

[topaz otter]

might be the laggiest of all three

[primal bolt]

i never played it

[topaz otter]

also they tried to set it in the real world and not the jungle, the monsters are not dinosaurs

it has real world weapons

it sucks

[primal bolt]

surprised there isnt a PC remaster like the other 2 but maybe it will come out

[topaz otter]

there is

nightdive is remastering turok 3

[primal bolt]

oh shit you are right

not out yet... didnt know

[topaz otter]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1996770/Turok_3_Shadow_of_Oblivion_Remastered/

Steam

Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion Remastered

Turok 3 Shadow of Oblivion Remastered is a faithful restoration of the classic first-person shooter originally released in 2000 for the Nintendo 64, upgraded through Nightdive Studios’ proprietary KEX Engine for play on modern gaming devices with up to a 4K resolution at 120FPS. It joins Nightdive Studios, Universal Games, and Digital Platforms’...

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

[primal bolt]

NightDive is great

[topaz otter]

turok fans eating good the last few years

the worst one is the gamecube one

it was so utterly boring that I turned it off

also the stupid mission where you fly around on the pterydactyl was stupid and I hate it

[primal bolt]

its also the same one on xbox ?

[topaz otter]

probably

[primal bolt]

turok evolution

[topaz otter]

more like turok devolution

[brisk edge]

I just remember going to the Zoo a lot in it lol

[topaz otter]

amirite

[primal bolt]

yea it sucks

[topaz otter]

the original two had perfect atmosphere, weapons, and story

[primal bolt]

its not even the same game it just dont count

[brisk edge]

Never did get around to trying out the reboot

[primal bolt]

im interested to try Turok 3 though

[brisk edge]

I didn't hear great things but I always wanted to give it a shot

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/turok-n64-gif-24020680

[topaz otter]

just wait for the remaster unless you like suffering on the original console

[primal bolt]

I like Turok cause I like killing reptiles since they are just worthless violent a-holes. perfect enemies

similar to sharks

[topaz otter]

the lizard hybrid things in the second game with that laser on their arm are a legit threat

also they program it to self destruct before they die

[primal bolt]

thats why Turok 2 is interesting it brings in the aliens

[topaz otter]

well the Primagen was an alien but he was the general for OBLIVION

BEWAREOBLIVIONISATHAND

[brisk edge]

I played the remaster of 1 a few years ago and I was working on 2 this year. I think I like 1 more, the levels were more interesting though, I feel like it gets way too long the further the game goes on. Turok 2 is a good sequel but I think it's just way too much game. I got up to the spaceship level but I kinda tapped out. Such massive levels with a million objectives. Which is great if you like that, but it was a bit much for me

[primal bolt]

you know your turok lore

[topaz otter]

i spent over 9000 hours playing these games lol

[primal bolt]

I think most people like part 1 the best

holy crap

[topaz otter]

turok 2 nearly killed my N64 in the cave of the blind ones

since the save pyramids in that level are 45 minutes apart

[primal bolt]

damn you played alot of Turok

i didnt play much

[topaz otter]

i had a 12v fan on top of my N64 to cool the memory pak

[primal bolt]

lol

[topaz otter]

it got so hot the video was blinking

[primal bolt]

the game i played most on N64 was WWF No Mercy

[topaz otter]

did you smell what the rock was cooking?

[primal bolt]

indeed

[prisma ivy]

so many jabronis

[brisk edge]

The level design of older shooters is my biggest gripe, I have a terrible sense of direction so the levels in turok can be hellish, I just get lost for a long time

[topaz otter]

i have the strategy guide for turok 2

its impossible without it

[prisma ivy]

not the fog?

[primal bolt]

are the turoks workin good on the core?

[weary palm]

I'm almost done with my "cart id in db" implementation

[brisk edge]

The fog isn't so bad in the remaster

[prisma ivy]

oh I was just talking about N64 games

I suppose that the fog isn't specific to Turok

[primal bolt]

turok was known for its fog on n64

[prisma ivy]

yeah when I think of a picture of Turok in my head, there is fog

[primal bolt]

at least part 1

but I imagine that was needed to keep the good framerate

[prisma ivy]

I don't recall fog being so bad in Goldeneye but then again it's literally been 23 years since I played it

[primal bolt]

and have a low draw distance

[brisk edge]

Depends on the level in goldeneye

[primal bolt]

turok ran better than goldeneye if I recall

[brisk edge]

Reminds me, when we do get TLB I'm curious if we'll get a little bit of a boost for framerate on goldeneye

[topaz otter]

goldeneys problem is levels like the cradle and the draw distance

that level is too long

and so they had to have fog to hide it but it still lags like hell

[primal bolt]

i havent played golden eye in so long.... its gonna be fun to revisit it. could play it now on PC with mouse but i want the n64 experience

[topaz otter]

any level that has rooms with DOOR||ROOM||DOOR works fine in goldeneye

[primal bolt]

i also never played perfect dark so thats gonna be cool to try

[native mesa]

Perfect dark is so good

[topaz otter]

well don't play the new xbox version of goldeneye

[brisk edge]

I'm looking forward to turning on the core to do awful speed runs of goldeneye on agent

[topaz otter]

the one that they just released

[primal bolt]

i dont have any consoles other than dreamcast right now

[topaz otter]

they made it into twin stick controls and totally removed being able to hit a button and move the sight

[primal bolt]

just pc, mister, dreamcast

[topaz otter]

so you can't fine aim anymore and play it like you used to

theres no peeking around corners either

[primal bolt]

well and ps1 and genesis but those i dont use

[brisk edge]

A lot of stupid shenanigans held back both the Xbox and switch versions. It's definitely a shame. Emulator with mouse hack or the leaked 360 version are still the best way to play

[primal bolt]

if i was gonna play it now it would be emulator with mouse

[brisk edge]

Though, the decompilation is steadily making progress

[primal bolt]

other than that... mister with n64 conroller

oh... decompilation will be the best

[topaz otter]

native p*rts of all these n64 games is going to be the greatest thing ever

[hollow rune]

Have you played it? Is it good?

[lament escarp]

Not yet.

[topaz otter]

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1996770/extras/raptor_jumps.gif?t=1692823489

notice how the bullets do nothing in this clip from turok 3

this is the definitite turok 3 experience

also don't get me started on the vampire gun

[native mesa]

Should I do work or play Majora's Mask

[mellow raft]

Billy... playing games instead of work is wrong... but I'm imaginary... so... do what ya gotta do.

[native mesa]

Patcher 64 is lot's of fun

[paper orchid]

I love my inner frat boy

[manic basin]

Windows, ye know too much! Anyway, gotta get back to the farm.

[topaz otter]

Depends, are you the boss?

[native mesa]

Eh if I don't get what I need done today I will have to do it this weekend

gf is sick though so it should be fine

[hearty oar]

Sorry to necro this, time zones and all that - that’s why basing thing on ID, region and revision bytes from the header would be better, because romhacks almost never change those. That’s why Ares for example can load all the rom hacks without any hash DB or anything like that, it just has all of the official IDs and revisions and everything works, users never have to do anything to get their rom hacks to work, which I would argue is a flaw of the current hash-based system

I think idea would be to make it so that users don’t need to add anything if we can avoid it

[vagrant ivy]

it was discussed to death about 2.5 hours ago

[raw oriole]

Again 🙂

[hearty oar]

Like I said, time zones lol, I was asleep at that time

[vagrant ivy]

#1096015979055697940 message

is roughly where it started

[hearty oar]

I actually started it before that while everyone else was asleep lol

Which is where all that discussion came from, if you can be bothered scrolling up - a flaw of trying to discuss this stuff on discord 😆

[wanton sun]

currently small and large hash are checked. i don't see why it couldn't check ID also. Someone has to implement it however

[weary palm]

I just did xD

[hearty oar]

I gets complicated though because it also sometimes needs a combination of ID, revision and region to get the save type

[weary palm]

I solved that with wildcards

[wanton sun]

in the file or code?

[weary palm]

text file

[wanton sun]

you have some marker to decide if a line is using hash or ID?

[weary palm]

no, not yet

it looks kinda like this right now
... N32___ cpak|rpak # Army Men - Sarge's Heroes 2 N3D___ eeprom2k|rpak # Doraemon 3: Nobita no Machi SOS! N3HJ__ sram32k # Ganbare! Nippon! Olympics 2000 N3H___ cpak|rpak # International Track & Field 2000|Summer Games N3P___ cpak|rpak # Triple Play 2000 N3T___ cpak|rpak # Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 ...

[hearty oar]

I guess those underscores could be filled with the extra bytes if needed for revision etc?

[weary palm]

yes

[wanton sun]

maybe you could add something before the code so it's clear the line works different, e.g. "ID:N32___ cpak|rpak # Army Men - Sarge's Heroes 2"

[weary palm]

Good idea

[wanton sun]

if it's compatible, i don't see why we cannot have both

the hash is in hex, so it cannot start with "I" 🙂

[storm void]

or "N"

[hallow sedge]

Hi guysz I'm unable to get saves in Mario64.. it wss working before, any clues what's going on?

[wanton sun]

it's set to flash, not eeprom4

are you sure you have the database and newest mister main?

[manic basin]

"In Hex, Jahova starts with a D..."

[wanton sun]

i don't get it sorry

[vagrant ivy]

Indy Jones Quote

from the 3rd film

[manic basin]

Yeah, Last Crusade...Henry Sr. says "But in the Latin, Jahova starts with an I..."

[wanton sun]

i never really watched any film from George Lucas...i'm living behind the moon 😅

[manic basin]

You should definitely start with Howard the Duck (this is sarcasm. Do not, under any circumstances, start with Howard the Duck)

[vagrant ivy]

sent you a youtube link Robert for that scene

[twin barn]

Oh man. One day when your kids are old enough, the 3 Indy films are great.

[mellow raft]

I thought it was I?

[vagrant ivy]

dont let them watch 4 or 5

[manic basin]

Not in hex!

[mellow raft]

oh.... you cross-quoted xD

I see

I got the reference right away haha

[twin barn]

Yeah they'll start believing they can swing from vine to vine faster than a speeding jeep wrangler

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/indy-sean-connery-indiana-jones-harrison-ford-gif-13311074

Still best scene

it's 30 year old movie mate haha

And don't worry I didn't ruin it tbh~

you'll just have to watch it to see :3

[dull flume]

is there any chance of getting RTC through wifi on n64? I guess it would probably only be for animal crossing, but i'm curious. not sure if i've ever used rtc on MiSTer

[mellow raft]

The MiSTer automatically gets the time from the internet connection on boot. 🙂 You don't need the RTC addon for this function. The RTC addon just allows for it to work offline.

[hallow sedge]

No, I don't have the latest.. do I have to update it manually?

[mellow raft]

I just don't know if the RTC functions are implemented in the N64 core yet. Are they?

follow the pinned post to add it to your downloader.ini @hallow sedge 🙂. That will autodownload the latest core and n64 database with an update_all then

[wanton sun]

some cores like GBA and Wonderswan can do RTC, but that is more complicated than you might think

[mild ether]

I can't even imagine how you would actually write a RTC.

[night saddle]

not true, my channel is testament. just a resource to get folks into MiSTer 🙂

[wanton sun]

rtc time is written and read from the game, must be saved to sdcard together with the savegame, must be loaded together with the savegame. Additionally the real time must be saved to sdcard and loaded back from sdcard, then compared against current real time, so the ingame rtc time must tick up to compensate for the offline time. And of course the rtc must tick forward together with the other parts of the core while the game runs

a lot of trouble for 1 game 😉

[mild ether]

How does the core get the real time?

[wanton sun]

from mister main/framework which gets it either from RTC addon board or internet

[mild ether]

Very interesting.

[manic basin]

As one of the few ferverent AC players...I literally do not mind setting the time.

[wanton sun]

rtc tick up alone is annoying enough. e.g. How many days has a febuary in the real RTC? does it depend on the year?

[manic basin]

Don't sweat it.

[wanton sun]

gba was lazy and always 30day or 31 day month if i remember right

[dull flume]

That makes total sense! Sounds like a real can of worms just for n64 AC

[mild ether]

It counts the pulses from a crystal correct so you have to know what the frequency is?

[hearty oar]

Pokémon only ever cared about day of the week anyway right?

Which was one of the main users of it

[mild ether]

And then break that down to a calendar.

[manic basin]

Calendar math sucks. It's legitimately one of the most PItA things in programming. That's why everyone relies on libraries now.

[mild ether]

Have math for leap years and everything

[wanton sun]

usually you count up with the system clock speed, you only need full seconds anyway and that is accurate enough

[manic basin]

There are quarter hour timezones. There are time zones that do DST outside of regular cycles. Leap year/second. Cusp math gets nasty (turn your game off at 23:59 Dec 31, back on at 01:01 Jan 1....there's some extra math there). I always just reduce everything to ticks and insist time is a line, not a flat circle. If anyone gives me grief I say they're living in the past (but we all are, technically).

[wanton sun]

i was wrong, GBA has 28/30/31 day months. you can see the mess i have written some years ago: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/GBA_MiSTer/blob/master/rtl/gba_gpioRTCSolarGyro.vhd#L400-L511

[mild ether]

Yeah, I never really thought about it until just now and it certainly sounds like a much more complex task than I thought about in the past.

[wanton sun]

it's so embarrassingwhen you look at you own, old source code and realize how bad it is written because you didn't understood all things the language could do 😅

[marble cargo]

The GBA core is still pretty solid overall, so I don't think you should be too hard on yourself.

Though I wonder, when you are done with the Nintendo 64 core, would you go back to the GBA core to tighten up the coding?

[tulip coral]

was wondering the same?

[wanton sun]

if i would write the GBA core today, it would look completly different

but i doubt it would be a good idea. Who would test all those games again when the old core exists

[onyx minnow]

so true, i wrote an IRC client when i was about 13, then i wrote 3 more from scratch 🙂

[lean spruce]

You know we like testing games as much as actually playing lol

[native mesa]

Probably moreso

[lean spruce]

oh, yeah! Was just too embarrased to say it 😅

[prisma ivy]

Mmm testing games to complete a database

Making numbers go up and filling in blanks - that's my life

[native mesa]

I have more fun with the FPGA tech than the games themselves

[lean spruce]

Same, but I have tree games that I will complete on the N64 core once VI and analog is implemented: OOT, MM and Paper Mario

I have a back log on PSX and Saturn too, so...

[mild ether]

Yep, I think I enjoy the tech and building nice setups to play games than actually playing them anymore. I actually enjoyed figuring out patches for N64 games more than playing them.

Ghidra, IDA Pro and figuring out how to use them effectively is like endless puzzle game itself.

[chilly ember]

Testing N64 games on the core is an excuse to finish them for me

[quick arch]

For GBA, maybe there is new discoveries found by other emulators and there is new tests written by fleroviux that could help to improve accuracy

[wanton sun]

yes there was a lot of progress

[lean spruce]

there are only 10 open issues on GBA though. Considering the library that is pretty great

[uncut gyro]

And why most unit testing examples across the decades relate to calendaring and time zone conversions, and currency conversion 🙂

[wanton sun]

yes, not much popped up over the last years so it's hard to justify investing a year again

[lean spruce]

I took a look and two of those 10 are feature requests and one is for a quake prototype. So yeah, it seems to be in a pretty good state 🙂

[chrome quest]

If you ever need an odd GBA one, an issue I can't describe well enough to add to GitHub yet, but someone made custom Pokémon events that run via ARM/Thumb Byte code and ASM code. Work on original hardware, but break on most emulators, including the MiSTer core

[zealous hull]

I maintain a billing api.

Calendar math is hell.

In one instance business just told us to hardcode dates into the database and pull from it.

And I was like....fine.

[manic basin]

My last job was Netsuite billing integration from a legacy hand-rolled system. I hated everything.

[hearty oar]

I’d rather deal with android driver bugs than spend one minute looking at calendar/timezones stuff

[mortal panther]

You might not want to know the answer to that question. 🤣

[cerulean elk]

Haha but those get views. No views no converts 🙂

[lament escarp]

Iirc the pokemon games on gba only used the rtc for keeping track of growing berries ect., so the gba core doesn't really need months ect.

[primal bolt]

lol

[regal prism]

The pokemon games kept track of time in seconds i believe, then converted those seconds to a dd/mm/yyyy format upon boot

The reason the berry gitch happens is because the clock always starts at 2000, and the conversion used treats 2000 and 2001 as the same year

[mild ether]

Was it updating code for the y2038 bug and writing TPS reports?

[weary palm]

What the f is PC load letter?

[vagrant ivy]

letter is the American version of A4 paper

[mild ether]

Really? I wonder what happens when the counter overflows.

[zealous hull]

You get a shiny /s

[mild ether]

Guess we will find out in 113 years or so.

[topaz otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1034337345694085192/1157378882182320288/image.png

letting bros know about this discord hack thing before it happens to you

[regal prism]

These things are usually fake though???/

[zealous hull]

Joplin? How the hell would anybody send you videos on Joplin? It's a markdown note taking app.

[topaz otter]

since cloudflare is getting destroyed today I doubt it

[zealous hull]

A very good one, I might add.

[mild ether]

Was that why people were having trouble with the program this morning maybe?

[regal prism]

If there were in actual breach, google would be notifying everyone, not rando's pinging everyone on discord.

[regal prism]

Cloudflare and chromium have nothing to do with eachother

Quit spreading chainmail.

[topaz otter]

fight me

[native mesa]

Lol

Repost 100 times or your mother's bones will turn into spider silk

[topaz otter]

reply to this post or your mother will hide your nintendo's power cord tonight

[mild ether]

I am going to turn the chain mail into a video link to make it more fun to spread.

[topaz otter]

just trying to help my pals, make fun of me if you want

me and tim the enchantress are gonna make a rule that you can't make fun of us anymore

[mild ether]

Not making fun.

It's real, I just looked it up.

But it would be funny if you had a warning in the form of a video link.

[topaz otter]

it would be funnier if the video link said don't click this link

[mild ether]

Yes!

[raw oriole]

The libwebp flaw is real. Cloudflare's mess today is not likely to be related.

https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/09/google-quietly-corrects-previously-submitted-disclosure-for-critical-webp-0-day/

Note webp is images, not video.

[orchid nimbus]

but all my data is in the cloud!

[raw oriole]

It's probably soggy then

[orchid nimbus]

indeed 😄

[topaz otter]

the hacker may be in this chat right now

pretending to be one of us

[zealous hull]

🥸

[orchid nimbus]

i7$ !me

[raw oriole]

Discord is updated btw

The clients, anyway. If you're using a browser, best check yourself.

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/chinese-hackers-stole-60000-emails-us-state-department-microsoft-hack-senate-2023-09-27/

[inner bronze]

There is actually a WebP exploit going around. Its not a joke.

[orchid nimbus]

zero day exploits ftw

but I got my ssl certificates all setup!!

I run my own certifcate authority!!!

😄 lol

[topaz otter]

Vampier tell us where the hacker touched you

[orchid nimbus]

goed back to laughing about cloud nerds

[mild ether]

Hopeful for some new leaks.

[orchid nimbus]

@topaz otter my heart

[topaz otter]

lol

[manic basin]

You seem trustworthy....

[topaz otter]

better than when the solarwinds hack went down

because the solarwinds default password was solarwinds123

and I know this because at my old job we used solarwinds

[orchid nimbus]

@topaz otter I'm behind 8 proxies!! 3 VPNs and 5 network hops! good luck finding me here in Anaheim,California,92802

[topaz otter]

and the default password was solarwinds123 because we never changed it

[orchid nimbus]

ok play time is over 😄 back to work

laterz

[odd vector]

@orchid nimbus what is the Memepage again?

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/memes/

just walked from my bed to my work

sorry it took a bit longer - had to pet the dog and turn off the AC

[manic basin]

Both noble tasks.

[odd vector]

Thanks! 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.twitch.tv/1strespondersmedia

this is what I hear now

trump supporters and counter protests

[manic basin]

Oh fun.

[orchid nimbus]

coming 3pm I'm out of here going to the other end of anaheim

[drowsy lantern]

Way back in high school I attempted coding a Tetris game in QBasic. I had no idea what arrays were, so I ended up using large stacks of copy/pasted if/then/else blocks with incremental variable names all done by hand for every possible move of a block. It didn't go well. It took almost one second to even calculate if a block could move down or left/right. When I learned what arrays were I felt incredibly, incredibly stupid.

[orchid nimbus]

@drowsy lantern but in the end you got smarter

and that's exactly what has been taken away from people using ipads

kids cannot program anymore on those tablets

[topaz otter]

they just use code blocks

I've watched them drag and drop the blocks

[orchid nimbus]

that's better than nothing

[zealous hull]

Kids these days are fine. 🙂

[topaz otter]

the kids are alright

but seriously I've tried learning C++ and I can get pretty far but there's never any actual writing code

its just stupid examples that don't teach me anything

[zealous hull]

Best way to learn is to just struggle through building something.

If you know the syntax and how enough of it works, just start.

[topaz otter]

so I stopped taking the class and spent three weeks trying to make a maze where a monster chases you instead

[iron trail]

You run LetsEncrypt? Wow, a celebrity 😍

🙂

[orchid nimbus]

@iron trail

[topaz otter]

are these certificates exchangable for cash

[orchid nimbus]

you can buy then as NFTs

[iron trail]

Oh I was assuming for vampier.net and trying to make a funny 😦

Also all those SAN on your LE cert 👀 I should check out your other sites

[orchid nimbus]

ssssssh

those are a secret

https://openmsx.vampier.net/

this one does funny stuff 😛

apache forwarding proxy ftw!

[ornate obsidian]

Hmm, RE2 picture is unplayable on my CRT, its literally wobbling all over the place, using SCART RGB and I know the game does some fuckery with 240p/480i, but ye its a CRT after all, any ideas why it might be acting like this? Every other N64 game i've tried works flawlessly either PAL or NTSC

[modern sleet]

Try the YC version https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/blob/main/_YCConsole/N64YCBeta_20230925.rbf

Yeah, some things I couldnt fix without a VI rehaul 🙂

[ornate obsidian]

Isnt working while disabling the expansion cart either, i'll try YC version

[modern sleet]

Let me know what you find, if I can fix anything straight forward Ill have a look, but it might be something Robert fixes in a few days if the VI output addresses the framebuffer scaling directly. E.g. just like the N64, everything outputs 640x240, and internally scales everything to meet it

[ornate obsidian]

Ye i'll get back to you tomorrow on it, started playing Fzero instead for now

[zinc dew]

Really? I don’t think I tried them yet

I also have no problem with tank controls

[orchid nimbus]

tank you

[lament escarp]

Yeah, I tried the 3d for fun and thought it was ok till the first camera transition

[fair stump]

The scooby doo game also plays like RE2 and running from the monster across camera transitions is brutal

[zinc dew]

I assume a lot of them discovered those games after they were en vogue and couldn’t gel with them. They were popular for a small window of time and nothing really plays like that anymore.

They were such an extraordinarily clever cheat to producing content rich environments with the semblance of 3D gaming.

It’s obvious in hindsight but it’s so genuinely brilliant

[fair stump]

I never even played RE, I got used to tank controls from grim fandango 😄

[zinc dew]

Incredible game

It’s kind of funny how Zelda is this magnum opus of 3D gaming at the time and it opens with a pre-rendered background lol

you’re basically given a window into a world and you want to peer around the sides but you can’t

It’s very captivating for that reason, it’s a great point

[zealous hull]

That's the best I've ever heard it described.

[fair stump]

There's something to be said about that vs massive modern open worlds but I don't really have proper thoughts on it at the moment

[hearty oar]

Zelda is the first one that come to mind

[zinc dew]

They didn’t, those are effectively gigantic textures that use up a lot of physical memory.

It’s why RE2 is such a mind boggling port

Yeah haha

Cutscenes + pre rendered background are like the anti-N64 game features

[native mesa]

I liked the panorama rooms in Zelda it was pretty unique

Was 64DD essentially a ROM patch mechanism?

[compact depot]

How’s VI going folks?

[native mesa]

I'm glossy just thinking about it

[zinc dew]

The main benefits were a built-in RTC, having sound libraries on the hardware (saves on storage space), and the storage medium were rewritable disks.

Otherwise the games should be functionally compatible with base hardware.

[topaz otter]

don't forget that the only reason RE2 was on two cds was because someone screwed up

[zinc dew]

Yeah you

Way to go!

I talked to Johnny Capcom yesterday, you know the owner of Capcom. And he said he was still mad about it.

[topaz otter]

probably so, capcom had to print double the number of discs lol

[stone pilot]

My uncle is pretty high up at Nintendo, and he said they almost did the same thing with the N64 version. It was almost going to have to be on two cartridges. They even had a big cartridge with connectors on both sides ready to go. You'd pull it out, turn it upside down, and put the other end in. Did I mention my uncle works at Nintendo?

[languid dune]

RE2 stop-n-swap!

[zinc dew]

The ole double ender

[languid dune]

I had an old Atari 2600 cart.......and Robby literally just posted a pic of it.

[tidal zenith]

you vs the cartridge she told you not to worry about

[chilly ember]

What happens if you plug it into two consoles at the same time?

[languid dune]

double the fun.

[zinc dew]

Not sure about other countries but we have laws against console polygamy here

[languid dune]

The MiSTer itself is like a massive console polygamist!

It's like an orgy of consoles!

[zinc dew]

but like the gross akira kind

Where they all kinda merge into one biomass

Ok where am I steering this, I’m stopping oh god

[languid dune]

There's no stopping this wild ride my friend. You gotta see it to the end.

The inevitable...climax if you will.

Okay, I'll stop.

[knotty zealot]

if only somebody had thought of this when making... well you know what

[zinc dew]

Halo Infinite?

[night saddle]

its true. views are what bring attention to the great work of MiSTer developers there 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Fri with no new core vid seems weird. Eating hot pot instead lol

[knotty zealot]

oh god i can't take this. i gotta get outta here before i throw up more wine!

[night saddle]

you release a video like every day lol, enjoy your hot pot 🍻

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/wine-huge-wine-glass-thirsty-drinking-wine-glass-gif-14689153630430693591

[zinc dew]

@knotty zealot what’s your wine of choice?

[weary beacon]

That's a great idea

[night saddle]

seems like a muscato weenie to me

[knotty zealot]

it's red

it's from... napoli

[zinc dew]

lol “moscato weenie”

[night saddle]

(full disclosure, I love muscato too lol)

[eternal ravine]

Just stick with sake

[zinc dew]

My favorite wine is brandy

[night saddle]

if im drinking to get trashed brandy is good. hits too quick though usually i'm not usually in it for full-on drunk

[eternal ravine]

When I lived in NYC, I would mix sake with a purple vitamin water and carry the bottles around
Sippin fun

And functional

[zinc dew]

Jesus, that’s like high brow ghetto lmao

[eternal ravine]

That or shroom tea mixed with the purp

[zinc dew]

it’s genius

[weary beacon]

151 everclear - Best you can get in this state.

[eternal ravine]

The juice needs to be dark enough to hide all the shroom floaties

[hearty oar]

Only the finest goon bag for me, delivered by Sailor Goon

[night saddle]

lol sailor goon

oh the outfit is made of old winebags haha

[weary beacon]

You talking about lemon tek?

[eternal ravine]

Back in college, we would get 40s of St Ides malt liquor
That stuff gets you goofy

[night saddle]

colt 45

I dont even think they sell 40's here anymore

[hearty oar]

Proud to share my country’s greatest cultural achievement with you

[night saddle]

and what country is this? hehe

first guess is canada

[hearty oar]

None other than Australia

[night saddle]

aah that was my 2nd

[eternal ravine]

If you're in Japan, a mini keg is only a trip to a vending machine
At least last I saw

[night saddle]

was reading recently about how thats like the drunkedness capital of the world nowadays

[eternal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-giant-beer-its-pretty-big-huge-gif-4719292

[hearty oar]

Apparently we are lagging behind countries like Germany on beer consumption per capita now

So we really need to up our game

[zinc dew]

Get the Roos drunk!

[weary beacon]

These new gens are drinking white claw

[night saddle]

premix disposibles seem to be all the rage

[zinc dew]

I prefer ranch water, like the real stuff

[night saddle]

farmhouse ales, belgian beers, whiskey, titos and tequila are my faves 😋

[eternal ravine]

Germans gave us some homebrew pear liqueur once that was great

Nipped on that for a while

[weary beacon]

That sounds wonderful. Pear juice is the bomb.

[orchid nimbus]

Waiting for the VI 🙂

[hearty oar]

ah, much better

[orchid nimbus]

Lol

[zenith orchid]

I was thinking about this quite a bit. It makes me think about other cartridge based systems. Like with NES emulation, mappers are used to indicate how a game operates and what chips it uses, which the emulator also provides emulation for. And I guess in the SNES, it has some way of knowing that expansion chips are being used.

What might be neat is a script that modifies the header of every rom in the N64 games directory to include some kind of code that tells the core how it should be run.

I guess it would still get its information from some kind of database

[cerulean elk]

So rediculous

[zenith orchid]

@cerulean elk with all due respect man, this really isn't place. unless I'm missing something

[cerulean elk]

Just having a moment of fun lol. Nvm

[tidal glade]

bacon moment

[zinc dew]

I’m hungry for some N64

[cerulean elk]

I’ll tie it in for those who forgot what fun is 🤣 I am playing Densha De Go…except IRL with meat

[fair stump]

I have yet to figure out how to make the train move in that game and I'm too stubborn to Google it 🤣

[cerulean elk]

You yell “Densha de go” and point. I think 🤷🏻‍♂️

[zinc dew]

Can confirm, this is correct

[zenith orchid]

Hmm, I wonder if the everdrive64 also uses some kind of database file

[hearty oar]

It does, it was discussed above, but it uses rom ID from the header instead to determine how the game needs to save

[zenith orchid]

maybe a pseudo mapper system could be made numbered in descending order from the most common configurations to the least common.

[zinc dew]

I’m going to have to ask you all to stop playing Quest 64. I just noticed the trademark lapsed and I’m going to buy it.

https://branddb.wipo.int/en/quicksearch/brand/US501998075440637?sort=score desc&start=0&rows=30&asStructure={"_id":"8488","boolean":"AND","bricks":[{"_id":"8489","key":"brandName","value":"Quest 64","strategy":"Simple"}]}&fg=_void_&searchBy=brandName&_=1696028436516&i=0

[fair stump]

As a mod, don't you have the power to rename awbacon to qvuest64?

[zinc dew]

No they wisely didn’t give me access to that lol

I wouldn’t anyways, that’s mean

It’s messing with someone’s crafted online persona

[native mesa]

Looks like quest64.com might be available too

Get the rights and turn it into quest64hentai

[zinc dew]

👀

lol buckbumble.com leads to some Nintendo fan site

[fair stump]

Vampier needs to hop on that quest64.com and make it the new faq site

[zinc dew]

looooool

[native mesa]

Trademark isn't IP rights though right?

[zinc dew]

it is when you don’t think about it

which is my plan

[fair stump]

You don't have to worry about it if you get another person to commit to the bit

[zinc dew]

https://genius.com/Argonaut-sowftware-ltd-buck-bumble-title-theme-lyrics

What about now it's time to rock with the Bickedy Buck Bumble

Bum to the bum to the bum to the bass to the bum to the boom to the Bumble

[eternal ravine]

Is DK64 considered the biggest collectathon

[zinc dew]

On the system yeah, of all time? I guess Pac Man has it beat.

The only survival horror game that’s also a collectathon. Genius

[native mesa]

I like Spyro but hate call collectathons. What does that say about me

I also like Jak and Daxter

[eternal ravine]

Sanic makes you lose rings so you can collect them again

[modern sleet]

Great controller for the N64 core, thanks @woeful grove for the recommendation 🙂

[eternal ravine]

Banjo has some major collecting

[chilly ember]

I think donkey Kong 64 still holds the record for most collectibles in a collectathon

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/z7zx3u/the_amount_of_collectibles_donkey_kong_64_had_vs/

[eternal ravine]

@modern sleet
Is this the correct one to buy for MiSTer?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BP9GH8VQ/ref=twister_B0BP9FLPD1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[mortal panther]

Now compare it to most of the Assassin's Creed games.

[mortal panther]

That's the exact one I bought. Works great.

[eternal ravine]

I can't figure out how to ride around on the bird's legs in Banjo using my DS4

Like I can get the legs to pop out, but can't run around

[modern sleet]

Yep, thats the one I got

[prisma ivy]

Imagine if they did a Ultra Punch Out 64

[chilly ember]

Gotta keep holding whatever button you have mapped to z

[eternal ravine]

Abadox 64

[old iris]

What is the latency of this controller?

[mortal panther]

I don't remember the exact numbers (someone posted a while back)... but I think it's just under one frame.

[eternal ravine]

Do they make a wired USB version?

[mortal panther]

It feels quite responsive to me via USB... at least responsive enough.

[modern sleet]

Its both, but there is a usb one as well

[mortal panther]

You can use it with USB also.

[eternal ravine]

Oh, nm just connect the USB cord

hurrrr

[woeful grove]

ocassionaly it gets weird when I plug it in I noticed, it has two modes, but overall it's great

[prisma ivy]

Haha yesssss

So many missed opportunities

[eternal ravine]

What is the connection type on the controller end of the cord

[woeful grove]

usb c

[mortal panther]

It still scares me sometimes when I boot up MiSTer with it still connected. It rumbles twice, and I usually have the controller sitting on a hard surface. It's... loud, when that happens. 🤣

[zinc dew]

You listen to Kitrinx for recommendations

Original controller is the best design of all time

[mortal panther]

true.dat

[zinc dew]

I wish I could replace my keyboard with an n64 controller!

[prisma ivy]

I really enjoy the three pronged controller. It's unique.

[woeful grove]

n64 controller is one of the worst ever made

[prisma ivy]

Its only now in hindsight that we see a problem with it

[woeful grove]

it's up there with the wii controller and the Duke

[mortal panther]

All my life, it's been a struggle to figure out what to do with my 3rd hand. Nintendo was the only company to offer a solution. I am forever grateful to them.

[prisma ivy]

So the haters out there who were like... 8-12 years old when this came out : y'all really hated it when it first came out at that age? Or were you too busy enjoying fun games

[eternal ravine]

Well, worst among official pack-in controllers
Cause I could post some 3rd party DC ones that would take the cake

[mortal panther]

I would argue the stock ColecoVision controller was pretty awful and worse... even though that was one of my favorite consoles.

[prisma ivy]

I first held a Dreamcast controller when I was 17. I didn't like it.

[chilly ember]

N64 controller was one of the first controllers I probably ever used so it doesn't bother me that much

[eternal ravine]

Nearly all the old consoles had shit controllers
OG Famicom is when things started to improve

[mortal panther]

Yum

The only stock NES controller I liked was the rounded redesigned one with the top-loaders. Those hard edges of the rectangular ones I never liked, even when I was younger. Very uncomfortable.

[prisma ivy]

Dog bone controllers are annoying because they angled the A and B buttons the wrong way

[chilly ember]

Dreamcast controller is annoying with the cable at the bottom. I don't mind the Duke if I'm only using it for original Xbox games. Bad for baby hands tho

[eternal ravine]

Took SEGA some time to figure out Dpads

[prisma ivy]

That is not how my right thumb rests

[mortal panther]

Yeah, that was my complaint with them. The finally addressed the hard edges, but they screwed with the angle of the action buttons.

[woeful grove]

wasn't the dpad patented back then

[mortal panther]

I think the iconic cross-shaped D-pad was (ever since Donkey Kong G&W?), which is why so many others had a different shape.

[eternal ravine]

SEGA didn't get a really good one until the Genesis 6-button

[mortal panther]

My favorite to use

[eternal ravine]

Sorry, Batarang

[compact skiff]

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4687200

[eternal ravine]

Looks like they just recolored and simplified their Famicom design

Hori

The actual controller has red elements?

Every time I think I've seen it all, another obscurity

[paper orchid]

I love controllers that have a single "design" but with different colors and screenprints for no reason whatsoever

[eternal ravine]

It was the wild west

east

[dreamy ridge]

hori's been dropping lit controllers for as long as i've been alive 🔥

[hearty oar]

Does rumble work on the Brawler?

[eternal ravine]

I like this sturdy one for Famicom
It also feels sized right for adult use

They even made it for NES with jank audio cable addition

[hearty oar]

Absolutely, I only play NES game on MiSTer using a SNES pad in Y/B layout, loads more comfortable for me at least

[native mesa]

Yeah the angle on the dogbone is wrong

It should be mirrored

[ruby falcon]

Happy Friday everyone

[hearty oar]

Happy Saturday

[native mesa]

Ramen night

[dreamy ridge]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KswAAOSwDmFkGRcw/s-l1600.jpg

i had this bad larry growing up...wasn't terrible but not first party quality

[eternal ravine]

Wow that green dpad

[native mesa]

Is it a turbo controller?

[dreamy ridge]

lmao yeah, turbo grafix style

[vapid moat]

It'd so interesting to see all these takes on NES-patented pad

[eternal ravine]

SEGA poverty dpads

[vapid moat]

Prolly why I use Turbo-Grafx Mini Controller for MSX or Master System-cores on top of TGX-16

[eternal ravine]

But I grew up with SMS, so can't hate too much

[native mesa]

I watched Tetris last night

Good movie

[dreamy ridge]

you can visibly see the d pad sagging in it's enclosure lol

[native mesa]

Is there a strat to beat these damn Gorman bros?

[vapid moat]

Get the SCP Foundation

[rose elbow]

funny timing

https://youtu.be/RipByTf35J8

Double Fine posting this vid with Giles Goddard today recorded back in 2015

[fair stump]

every game should introduce the camera as a character in the world

Shadow of the colossus: camera is a bird flying behind you

The two times I've seen Giles talk now it's kind of depressing because people only want to talk about mario 64 and he really just wants to talk about other stuff he's done

[zinc dew]

It’s that or 1080

[rose elbow]

yeah the vid def ended on a bit of a downer note but still fun and always fascinating having people ask about his time working at nintendo

[zinc dew]

He does ok with Chuhai Labs but even their projects are like “new snowboarding game from the programmer of 1080!!”

[rose elbow]

he seems to have a bit more passion for 1080 at least

[zinc dew]

It’s his best work, I’d be proud as hell too

[rose elbow]

for sure!

[fair stump]

He mentioned doing Amiga stuff, I wonder what all that stuff is

[zinc dew]

Demoscene stuff, that was when he was a teenager

[rose elbow]

wiki has this line; According to Argonaut Games founder Jez San, Argonaut had initially intended to develop the Super FX chip for the Nintendo Entertainment System. The team programmed an NES version of the first-person combat flight simulator Starglider

[zinc dew]

yeah, I think the super FX was originally going to be included in the SNES

[rose elbow]

trying to imagine an NES Starglider/Starfox 🤔

[zinc dew]

Elite is a cool port

[rose elbow]

ooh not familiar

[zinc dew]

You need to set your NES core to PAL for it to work correctly. It’s an impressive port for the system imo.

[rose elbow]

thx! good to know

[native mesa]

Bruh, I collected all the skulltulas at the second skulltula house.. then the dude was like... sorry if you did it yesterday I would have given you the wallet

motherf

game why you make me do that shit again for no reason

[chilly ember]

Good ol Majora's Mask

[civic umbra]

Haha oh man I'm sorry 😅 I remember doing that same thing back in the day. Still my favorite game, even with its faults.

[kind solar]

Playing Mario Kart on the core with the new nso controller driver and it’s great feels like I’m playing a real n64 at this point

[native mesa]

I'll just save edit the wallet in. Don't got time for that shit

[orchid nimbus]

god this is annoying - he doesn't even let him finish almost a single sentence

[cerulean elk]

I didn’t read the channel for like five hours today. I’ve never seen it this slow

[frail jolt]

It's been starting to crawl...

Since the kiddo was born, I can barely peek in

And when I do . It's usually a small amount of chatter at most to catch up on

[marble cargo]

No new build, so there isn't much to discuss.

[eternal ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-time-gif-25989081

[polar raft]

Pfff, you think it's slow here
I'm still hanging out in the PSX channel, wistful for the old days

[cerulean elk]

Haha this is true

[eternal ravine]

https://youtu.be/cQ3mw0MbIdI

[zinc dew]

I just cleared Bubblegloop Swamp 100%

[wise hemlock]

I imported Turok for £80 UK pounds, what would that be with inflation today?

[rose elbow]

nice!

i finished up tick tock woods last night. i could progress to the end but i remember not enjoying it as a kid so i'm half tempted to just move on to something else

is Donkey Kong 64 beatable/playable?

[zinc dew]

Sure is! Beatable I don’t know since I haven’t tried but it works great for me.

[rose elbow]

tempting .. or maybe the Zelda Jiggies in Time romhack aha

[zinc dew]

The game isn’t very respectful of your time. Basically expect to do every level like 5 times, once per each Kong to collect everything.

[rose elbow]

yeaaah. actually, waiting for the Cheats to be working might be when i dive into the Rare sequels i think

i know theres also quality of life romhacks and things

[zinc dew]

That one seems super cool, it loaded fine for me and I ran around the kokiri forest town

[zinc dew]

Yeah, this is how I’m playing DK64 - https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4961/

Works as advertised, haha

[rose elbow]

coz Donkey Kong 64 technically came before Banjo Tooie right

i never quite enjoyed either of those when i was younger but i'm tempted to poke around

[zinc dew]

I really enjoyed them as a kid but I got real sick of collecting stuff after DK64 lol

[cerulean elk]

Too much to collect

An excessive amount

[rose elbow]

80722D5D 0001 Slightly Tanned Kong

[zinc dew]

lol

[rose elbow]

not sure this will help make the game much better

[wise hemlock]

I remember getting a giant inflatable banana with SNES DK, top that

[zinc dew]

I got a zipper pouch for DK tropical freeze?

[rose elbow]

noice

[wise hemlock]

It is good but it is not a giant inflatable banana

[rose elbow]

speaking of romhacks that wii one really needed something, the forced controls were so awful imo..

Donkey Kong Jungle Beat on gamecube with the bongos on other hand is soooo good 🪘

[wise hemlock]

I hurt my hands playing that, i clap too hard

[rose elbow]

its hard playing it and not 'get into it'. its a bit of a mini cardio work out almost loool

clapping and banging away

maybe not cardio 🤔 i'm not sure. but its a funny game

[wise hemlock]

I am sure it is good for your heart and soul

[rose elbow]

i loooove it so much

[wise hemlock]

I have GC Loader, I should get some bongos sometime

[zinc dew]

Damn, I tried

[rose elbow]

yeah it's a little bit annoying needing accessories like that just for 1 game. i guess there's also donkey konga but jungle beat is def the highlight i reckon

[wise hemlock]

Go BIG inflatable or Go home

There is another DK game on there that uses the bongos

It is a racing on barrels game if I remember

[rose elbow]

"Due to the uniqueness of the peripheral, the bongos were utilized by various games long after their release. They are compatible with the 2018 Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! via the Gamecube Controller Adapter for Nintendo Switch"

omg...

[wise hemlock]

Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast

I actually enjoyed Taiko on DS with the stylus

[zinc dew]

Wait whatttttt

[rose elbow]

just read it on wiki

https://youtu.be/CGrTF0DqVqc?t=7

[zinc dew]

I love taiko

[rose elbow]

im watching this and thinking like .. the game really does look like it's pretty tailored made for the sticks

ive never played it. ive only seen vids and can tell it looks like a blast banging away

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’s great. Arcade version is amazingly giant ass drum

[rose elbow]

hahahahaha so good

[wise hemlock]

Only problem with Wii was you needed a separate room in your house for all the wiimote attachments they made

[hearty oar]

They have taiko no tatsujin at my local arcade, my wife is obsessed with it

We even bought the tiny crappy little home version of the drum for switch

[rose elbow]

is it actually crappy? it looks fun

[wise hemlock]

my dad would always tell up to be careful, but it was always him that smashed the ceiling light with a novelty tennis racket

[candid copper]

it's better if you mod it

[hearty oar]

It is, but it likes to move around even if you weigh it down

[candid copper]

you can replace the pad inside

[rose elbow]

mmmm

the price tag on it is quite high as an import as well, for something i wouldnt play too often. but i still want it LOL

the dk bongos def never get pulled out but they're good to have for Jungle Beat :-)

[wise hemlock]

Just a full drum kit and play it animal style

Other than VR you don't see many peripherals today

[rose elbow]

mmm

i know there's Steering Wheels out there, i've half considered one of those also

[wise hemlock]

I have a direct drive wheel and sim rig

[rose elbow]

i feel that'd be quite fun / could probably get some usage out of MiSTer too with it

have you played Out Run on the sim rig ???

[wise hemlock]

depends whether you are looking for that arcade or realism in a wheel

[rose elbow]

aha yeah

would probably lean torward the realism kinda stuff

for a wheel

[hearty oar]

I so badly want a force feedback setup for Sega rally

[wise hemlock]

I ran outrun 2, with the mods appied

[hearty oar]

Ooh

[wise hemlock]

SEGA fanboys loose in Nintendo core

I love Outrun 2 though

[hearty oar]

Same, it might be one of the best arcade racing games ever imo

[wise hemlock]

certainly up there

[hearty oar]

I still sometimes play on Xbox, I’ve heard that you can get mods now to fix up the PC version but I haven’t tried it yet

[wise hemlock]

FTX mod I use

and then I apply a fix because my monitor is G sync and it runs silly speed unless I cap it

Game is free on adandonware sites

about 1gb

You could run it off a flash drive

One fix that was a mistake was the lens flare, you simply move a file that was placed wrong

[hearty oar]

Shame the modders haven’t found a way to decouple the sim from the framerate

A lot of older games are like that I guess

[wise hemlock]

If my monitor was 60hz it would run fine

but the FTX adds loads more, including SP content

well worth looking into

The PC port with mods is everybit as good as the arcade machine

https://www.myabandonware.com/game/outrun-2006-coast-2-coast-cc3