Nintendo 64

[wanton sun]

dithering is currently only implemented for color, not for alpha, maybe that is missing. would make sense for such an effect

[weary palm]

Weird. That means some button combinations are impossible.

[desert nest]

Yeah it's reminiscent of the Retro-Bit / Sega-licensed Genesis and Saturn controllers -- you can't hit the A+Start button combination, it's mapped to something else in hardware. Can't even do the Sonic codes, kind of nuts.

[drowsy lantern]

Which controller is this?

[zenith orchid]

I wonder if the VI work will eliminate certain hangs or crashes

[modern sleet]

Was there a main fix that addressed the analog stick? Currently left and right only work. (Controller is fine if plugged in through usb)

[old iris]

If only they brought savestates to snes and sega... oh, dreams...

[native mesa]

Are there states on NES?

[lament escarp]

Yes

[old iris]

AtariLynx
GBA
GameBoy
NES
PSX
WonderSwan

[wanton sun]

i don't see why. There is no backchannel of the VI other than the current line number

and that is already implemented

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I thought so. 😄

[drowsy lantern]

One strange thing I noticed is that during the Banjo-Kazooie attract mode, the game speed is faster than what it should be for some odd reason. It's like the game is being played in a slight fast-forward.

[lament escarp]

Maybe it's a pal vs ntsc thing? Many pal games are a bit slower.

[drowsy lantern]

Playing the NTSC version.

[cerulean elk]

just uploaded a TLB vid for today. Should be fun...and hopefully get commenters to better understand it cause its impossible to explain via text in a comment section lol

[lament escarp]

The man! The legend! Welcome!

TLB is TLDR in text.

[zealous hull]

@cerulean elk Forgive the ping, but what song did your intro used to use? I liked it a lot.

[cerulean elk]

never gotta forgive a ping 🙂

Mr. Mister - Broken Wings

its kinda an easter egg joke

[zealous hull]

Brilliant.

Thanks much!

[native mesa]

I will watch

[zenith orchid]

Well I'm definitely looking forward to a new solid VI

I guess it's necessary so you can be sure what is an RDP issue or a VI issue

[orchid nimbus]

This was more related to the crappy manual

[drowsy lantern]

Not serious question: Is the core ever going to support a microphone so we can play Hey you, Pikachu? 😛

[fair stump]

Are there any cores that support a mic?

[drowsy lantern]

😏

[solemn kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-so-gif-22952194

[drowsy lantern]

Scrolling my list of games on MiSTer I saw "Hey You, Pikachu" and thought "Yeeeaaaah I might as well delete that one." 😛

[cerulean elk]

Hey You Three Mile Island Pikachu

[chrome quest]

Is that a case of needing support from the higher MiSTer level first, for microphones in general? I wonder if any other cores use it... PSX maybe?
Otherwise would be nice to get some Wii Remote motion sensing if we're going all out. Lots of accessibility options with that one! (But not N64 relevant)

[cerulean elk]

needs more eyes

[orchid nimbus]

no

[languid dune]

Creepikachu

[surreal summit]

Unfortunately ‘Hey You, Pikachu!’ and ‘Densha de Go! 64’ require not just a microphone, but also the VRU (Voice Recognition Unit) which actually handles the voice recognition and translates it into logic that the game can understand through the controller port.

[drowsy lantern]

Oh shit so that box is actual hardware and not just a mic input? I had no idea 😮

[surreal summit]

Yeah, it’s region specific too. Japanese one recognizes Japanese, US one recognizes English.

[languid dune]

I think I can live without Hey You, Pikachu. But can Hey You, Pikachu live without me?

[surreal summit]

Would be cool to try and make an emulator with modern voice recognition software. Maybe there is an open source one that you can limit to the ~250 word that the VRU recognizes?

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/show.php

showcase slidewhow for on the FAQ is done

[quaint pewter]

Nice. I don't know if you would conside it a bug but it can show the same image again, and doesn't check it's different to the one it's just shown. I had back to back kirbos 🙂

[prisma ivy]

Oh so it IS that song in your intro. I've always thought so but nice to have confirmation

[quaint pewter]

Is the joke related to heavy metal and saying if you play it backwards there are satanic messages? I did recognise the song btw 🙂

[cerulean elk]

haha yep. Barely anyone notices

[prisma ivy]

I have noticed you, bacon sempai

[compact skiff]

I remember when it used to have the backwards vocals

[cerulean elk]

yeah I changed it maybe a year ago? or more

[prisma ivy]

I grew up watching infomercials. So many 80s hits compilations

And going back to N64, I used to have dreams as a kid that a transport truck went off the road and boxes of Ultra 64s spilled out. I would take only one -didn't want to be greedy.

[orchid nimbus]

and implemented into the FAQ

I forgot how much fun jscript can be

😄

[drowsy lantern]

One curiosity that I have: How much of the StarFox 64 rom is taken by all the voice data?

[prisma ivy]

Gabbo bing gabbo

[prisma ivy]

Sorry what do you mean?

[fair stump]

I was kinda wondering about that. It's like when a TV show you watch all the time switches to a super shortened version of their theme

[cerulean elk]

I kinda liked the instrumental better

[manic basin]

I think that was a reply to himself about getting showcase implemented.

Just happened to follow your post.

[manic basin]

Looks really cool!

[novel fossil]

Is surround sound supported in the core yet? I tried Majora's Mask and couldn't get the windmill on the back channel when facing away from it. Works in Ares on Windows with my receiever on the same settings, and other cores with rudimentary Dolby Surround games seem to work properly with the MiSTer

[manic basin]

Have you tried analog out over the 3.5mm?

Or just HDMI?

It should just be a subsignal on standard stereo, but digital might drop it.

I'll have to go try it on my receiver later with passthrough.

[novel fossil]

Only HDMI so far

[worn delta]

That's odd, I would have assumed over digital your amp would just handle surround mixing it

I wonder if that is something missing in the framework

Have you tried turning off audio filtering in the core? That could be scuppering the pro logic signal

[cerulean elk]

vid is loose

[novel fossil]

Will try the filtering off, thanks!

[worn delta]

Let us know how you get on. Have you tried pro logic in PSX core? I don't recall anyone ever mentioning it before

[manic basin]

Yeah, surely someone would have if it wasn't working.

Still patiently waiting for my power to come back on. I'm on a Jackery for my wifi right now and using a tablet. But once it's back I'll check it out.

[cerulean elk]

we dont need to know you are Jackerying right now. TMI

(yes I know its a solar rechargeable battery)

[manic basin]

110v with three prongs. I'm doing it dangerously.

[cerulean elk]

so you are saying you fit into a standard ground outlet? I wouldnt admit that to people 🤣

[manic basin]

I keep mine charged for cpap emergencies. The solar has never even seen the sun.

[cerulean elk]

I keep a hand cranked coffee grinder...real necessities just in case

ok TLB done, time to voice over stuff for 2024 lol

[quasi storm]

"ok TLB done" is what I want to hear from Robert someday soon.

[cerulean elk]

haha yes me saying done carries much less meaning

[native mesa]

He won't say it. He'll just drop it like a fat hog on the table

[weary palm]

93400 messages in this thread. Yowza.

[vapid hawk]

93400 breakdown:
45000 enquiries as to why mario64 doesn't start
45000 responses about noface
3000 quest memes
400 other

[topaz otter]

Pikachu actually lives inside the box

How else would he hear you

[daring meteor]

You forgot TLB

[craggy kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lion-king-pumbaa-really-seriously-is-that-true-gif-27448500

[fair stump]

Vampier we need a chart breaking down the contents of this chat by subject matter

[quasi storm]

Followed by a musing about which was nuttier during core development: PSX chat or this one.

[fair stump]

Gonna see the percentage of gifs NOSEDIVE

[quaint pewter]

{animated gif}

Am I doing it right?

[orchid nimbus]

90% offtopic
5% ontopic
5% Shitposting

[mortal panther]

In other words, Robby is responsible for at least 5% of all comments.

[quaint pewter]

Has anyone made a romhack called Mario Is 64, where he can hardly jump and you can't run, you just shuffle around? If not then why not.

[quasi storm]

The best I can do is a ROM hack where he's in a wheelchair. (Yes, really.)

[marble cargo]

Shoutouts to Simpleflips

[eternal ravine]

@quaint pewter
I was hoping for a GnG hack where Arthur is always an old man
But you could not finish the game

Maybe permanent underwear is more realistic for speedrunning

[native mesa]

I don't think 64 is as old as you think it is

[fair stump]

Sean Bean is currently 64. Do you think he could do a flip off the top of a tree?

[native mesa]

Miyomoto is 70

[quaint pewter]

In the name of comedy it's old. 🙂 I'm 53 and get knackered putting my shoes on.

[native mesa]

Now I want to see Mario 64 starring Sean Bean, where he obviously dies

[fair stump]

Jackie chan is 69, I bet he could pull it off

[native mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzzU1nwxe6o

[hollow orbit]

I’m old enough that when I bend down to tie my shoes I wonder what else I can get done while I’m down there.

[quaint pewter]

Ned Stark 64: Bowser is Coming.

[native mesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLjao_t22XQ

[worn delta]

I am sure Robert is going to appreciate reading through this tangent over his first coffee of the morning...

[native mesa]

I hope so. I hope he gets all the laughs he deserves

[fair stump]

Every day Robert looks at chat:

[quaint pewter]

I hope he has a chuckle. He has said to tag him if it's anything important like an unknown repeatable crash or bug. He can skim the rest of the silliness.

[cerulean elk]

You all cant get right

this channel aint right I tell you what

[native mesa]

Where's kando reacting with his face when you need him

[languid dune]

Damn, he's almost as old as my parents!

[native mesa]

Miyomoto is your real father

[weary robin]

Anyone here use the 8bitdo controller mod kit with Mister?
https://shop.8bitdo.com/products/8bitdo-mod-kit-for-original-n64-controller

I'm considering getting one but wanted to do so exclusively for use with mister. It seems like it's mainly targeting switch.

[weary beacon]

idk sold out 😉

[languid dune]

I feel like I haven't seen kando around here much lately. Hope he's okay.

[native mesa]

Mine should be arriving this week

[chilly ember]

I got a couple for my MISTer and i like them

[weary robin]

Thanks I didn’t realize they weren’t in stock ugh

[tepid gorge]

It would be cool if 8BitDo made the current Pro 2 design, just with octagonal stick gates

[weary robin]

For sure

[native mesa]

All my 8bitdos waiting on the N64 mod kit

[cerulean elk]

I am not 70 and I am pretty sure I am your actual dad

[devout leaf]

I have the stick.

Love it

[weary robin]

@devout leaf Does it work with the 2.4 ghz adapter or you just use via bt?

[devout leaf]

I just have the stick. I play wired sorry.

[weary robin]

Oh gotcha

@devout leaf what did you use to get the oem plug -> usb?

[cerulean elk]

Capturing the footage for todays video in software emulation reminded me just how much fun it was to see stuff like UltraHLE back in the day and how that same feeling is coming back with the core

[devout leaf]

I use a SNAX adapter.

https://misteraddons.com/products/serial-native-accessory-converter-snac

[native mesa]

Raphnet is pretty good too

[languid dune]

🥹

[carmine kettle]

snax or bt works on 8bitdo n64 kit

[prisma ivy]

love your controller collection

[native mesa]

Oh that's just the 8bitdo / modded ones

Here's my collection

Sans brawler 64s and modern xbone controllers

[vapid hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[native mesa]

Zapper in there

Need a super scope

[vapid hawk]

i measure my controller collection in KG now, its quicker than counting

[native mesa]

Wii balance board if you count that

A couple guncons

[chilly ember]

I have far too many controllers, trying to get them all in one picture would be difficult

[native mesa]

I was attempting to develop a wall mount solution

[vapid hawk]

This is the box where I keep my spare controllers

[native mesa]

So many FC30s

[native mesa]

Can I doordash a pack of bananas?

[vapid hawk]

wwdkd ?

(what would donkey kong do)

[devout leaf]

Weird. Cheating on the Hovercraft Challenge freezes the game but audio plays.

[cerulean elk]

you got caught!

[chrome quest]

A Bongo controller. Clearly

[craggy kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[craggy kettle]

I swear I didn't see this response when I made my response 🤣

[native mesa]

I like that there's aliens in Zelda universe

[eternal ravine]

Random controllers

That was a good Yahoo package

[devout leaf]

Please don’t tell my parents. They’d flip!

[devout leaf]

Love the random copies of Hogan’s Alley

The best Zapper game on the system

[eternal ravine]

Clang clang went the zapper

I love that the Famicom GUN lets you use the hammer

[devout leaf]

Ok guys we gotta be quiet my parents are sleeping CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK.

Felt good to use though lol

[eternal ravine]

That friggin trigger
chunky

[devout leaf]

Just felt right.

[eternal ravine]

They even made a GUN set with a holster

The west got cheated of so many cool items

[orchid nimbus]

Stop posting repeating gifs

[weary perch]

noticed something interesting with the flickering text in AeroGauge

the flicker is more pronounced when the other racers are near you

[devout leaf]

Now that’s pretty

[weary perch]

when you are all by yourself it is rock solid

[cerulean elk]

It’s quiet in here so…it’s official. Pepsiman has been granted permanent status in the house. He did have to accept a change of name though 😬

[carmine kettle]

ATTACK!!!

[weary beacon]

I better start blabbing my mouth then.

[cerulean elk]

Luxardo. Lux for short

[weary beacon]

Off topic raspberry pi 5 news could be good.

[craggy kettle]

It's not my fault the chat goes faster than I do!

[cerulean elk]

Kitten is technically on topic as he was found when I was working on N64 videos last Thursday. Channels first baby 🤣

[weary beacon]

so does that mean you are keeping it?

[cerulean elk]

Yep!

[weary beacon]

It's official!

[native mesa]

It's not possible to help everyone in Majora's Mask is it

[thorn flax]

you really haven't played light gun games until you've shot a duck with a revolver

mine came in its box too

a real piece of history

[craggy kettle]

I think I saw a video where someone tried, but I can't remember if they succeeded or failed, they definitely used a copious amount of glitches

[vapid hawk]

not on one loop anyway

[native mesa]

sad

I'm having fun no guides

I forget how to get a lot of masks

It's way more fun using in game hints and deduction

[craggy kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVkINq34Uyc

[vapid hawk]

it would be cool if that was how the game ended, with you finding a way to help everyone in one single perfect cycle

[craggy kettle]

Check out 15:52, he gives a guide on how to do it, but couldn't dedicate the time to do it himself, it's hard

[native mesa]

Oof that thumnail

[carmine kettle]

rasp 5 could be good for emulation

probably overclock

[raw oriole]

=> #software-emulation probably, not here though

[topaz otter]

This carpet looks like the wallpaper at the shoe store

[native mesa]

It's hemp!

[topaz otter]

Speaking of being old

I had that magic pen Questron

And the books that came with it

You had to answer math questions with it, it would turn green for yes and red for no

[chilly ember]

I was 2 when Nintendo 64 was released 🙃

[surreal summit]

Spoilers for MM: ||This is technically how the game ends. The credits imply that all of the people you helped throughout every three day cycle are helped in the end, maybe through the power of the Ocarina of Time?||

[teal oyster]

hello 64-heads, today's question is this... is the dither effect recently implemented a thing that is on real N64s, or is this strictly a Robert-Enhancement?

[mortal panther]

There are ways to handle animated GIFs on Discord without selectively yelling at certain people posting them while ignoring when others do it. It sends mixed messages. Either they are allowed, or they are not.

There are several per-client settings that can be changed (such as prevent auto-play when Discord is focused, do not play animated emojis, etc.), as well as server-side settings to prevent users from posting them if they do not have the appropriate permissions to do so.

This doesn't seem like a hard problem to solve.

https://techcult.com/how-to-disable-gifs-on-discord/

[native mesa]

It's on real N64 but masked by the de-dither filter

[teal oyster]

lol

wat

so it's there, but it gets vasolined?

[native mesa]

N64 does dithering for more color depth

them smears over it to smooth it out

[teal oyster]

roger that, thanks

[eternal ravine]

Pepsicat?

[cerulean elk]

Lux. Final name

[eternal ravine]

So fancy

[native mesa]

Lux Lethor

[languid dune]

He will always be Pepsiman to us!

Pepsiman. aka Luxray.

[topaz otter]

the N64's console war winning secret was to create the ugliest textures anyone has ever seen

and then blur them so it looks like bob ross having a stroke

[teal oyster]

for a player to see a pixel in those days... well that's not real cutting edge gaming... is it?

[topaz otter]

why see a hundred pixels, when you can just stretch one to 320x240

[marble cargo]

I guess it didn't work, because The Gamers™️ would rather have the pixels and warping.

[topaz otter]

it was really IGN's fault because they wouldn't shut up about antialiasing

and how you could see jaggies everywhere

nintendo wanted to avoid the look of early 3d accelerated graphics I guess

but they made a blurry freaking mess

[teal oyster]

luckily with "emulation" we have the power now to deshitify the picture!

technology saved us again

thanks technology

[native mesa]

It's actually a godsend. It's a pain in the ass on original hardware

And you are stuck with dithering

[chilly ember]

There are anti aliasing removal
gameshark codes that can be auto applied on an everdrive that i always have enabled

[native mesa]

Same but the dither pattern still looks bad

[elfin relic]

personally I've got vasaline slathered all over my C1 until the blur is implemented

[native mesa]

I'd prefer a raw image and then apply my own filters with something like the RT5X or the 4k down the line

[chilly ember]

I put vaseline on all my monitors/tvs so i can get that n64 look on modern games

Jokes

[teal oyster]

I suspect Robert will have us covered/totally happy with the final image when all is said and done with the core

[native mesa]

Yeah in its current state without VI it's already perfect for me

[teal oyster]

I think if I had a slightly shittier CRT the dither would be nicely blended

this '05 CRT you can still see the dither quite clearly, but I'm kinda mixed with how I feel about it

[vapid hawk]

a real n64 blends the dithering back out you don't see it there

[teal oyster]

heh, but too much though I think is the arguement

[vapid hawk]

and the core will too soon

[native mesa]

PSX depended on composite blending

[teal oyster]

btw, UK pals, condolences on the lose of that dope tree today 😦

[chilly ember]

Dang kids

[teal oyster]

I hope that little bastard shits his pants on his wedding day or something equally terrible

[native mesa]

What a British ass thing

[teal oyster]

I'm pretty fond of cool trees, so that news made me genuinely sad

[native mesa]

"Officers arrested the teenager amid an outpouring of sadness over the destruction of the landmark" was that you?

[trim seal]

Imagine being that angry at nature.

[teal oyster]

or that hungry for validation on social media

whatever that kind of validation even means

[native mesa]

Latest tik tok trend

[trim seal]

It means being arrested and almost universally hated.

[teal oyster]

yeah

[trim seal]

I mean, go chop down a billionaire or something, right?

[vapid hawk]

wonder why they did it

[native mesa]

Billionaires have security

Except Gaben

[teal oyster]

he has the knife collection though

and probably some portal turrets

[cerulean elk]

I call him Pepsiman still. In the Pepsiman voice

[surreal summit]

Pep

[storm vessel]

So under the compatibility spreadsheet, since there’s playable and completeable, does that mean the playable games are not able to be completed?

[stuck summit]

It doesn't look blurry on a CRT though - when using a CRT filter/shader you always want to introduce some blur to the image anyway. N64's image quality complaints only really started to pop-up with the advent of HD TVs

it looks awful in those.

[surreal summit]

No, just means someone has done it.

[storm vessel]

Fair enough 👍 - they could be able to be completed but this far no one has officially registered it on the sheet. Okay.

[fair stump]

Dual Heroes is so close to being completable but it freezes right before the final boss

Well now I know that game reviewed horrendously 🤣 "Dual Heroes makes the N64 look so bad, it could easily be a system seller -- meaning N64 owners selling their systems to get a PSX or a Saturn"

To be fair, my strategy to get through the game is mash A as fast as I can and it works insanely well against the ai

[orchid nimbus]

days till xmas counter added 😄

[quasi storm]

@orchid nimbus Dithering is in! Quick, change it before someone notices...

[orchid nimbus]

oops

[teal citrus]

See, he was wrong.

He didn't mean one working game by Xmas. He meant 1,000* games working before Xmas.

*Yes, I know that isn't the real total number of N64 games. I just thought it was funny!

[quasi storm]

Also. I love the Game image collage. But... I left your site open for about a half hour while doing other things in chrome mobile, and when I went back it was flipping through pictures 6-7 at a time 😆

[orchid nimbus]

there are 27 pics

[quasi storm]

Watching it fly through them all I was reminded of the Mario kart roulette🤣

Also, do you accept submissions?

[spark granite]

the pins say the Mario 64 patch adds rumble. Where would I see rumble in Mario 64?

[zinc dew]

Butt stomp

[spark granite]

yeah I did that

nothing

[zinc dew]

Hmm, dunno. Maybe I’m wrong about the patch. If so, sorry.

[languid ore]

Have to do it in real life too. It's like the Wii before the Wii was the Wii

[spark granite]

ahh

I used the sm64.us.noface patch

and I have RumblePak on in the system settings and Pad 1 Pak set to Rumble

maybe I used the wrong patch?

I used the one of the patches linked to in the pins

[spark granite]

ah ok, so maybe it doesn't add rumble?

[zinc dew]

Yeah I thought it was another patch that I used earlier.

I’ll just remove that info. Sorry for the confusion.

[spark granite]

originally I used Super_Mario_64_USA_UltraSM64_by_FazanaJ, but switched to sm64.us.noface. What's the diff?

[zinc dew]

I don’t know

[spark granite]

confirmed rumble still working in 1080, just in case there was an issue at my end 🙂

[quasi storm]

Sanity checks never hurt!

[spark granite]

has anyone done latency tests on the NSO controller?

I'm pretty impressed with how well it's working with the core now. I ended up grabbing a second

[rose elbow]

it was pretty much on par with the other NSO controllers i believe which are on the porkchop spreadsheet. i do remember numbers being posted specifically for the n64 controller in this discord

[devout leaf]

Poor Robert. One game working by Christmas would be perfect but he’s in the double digits now 😭

[rose elbow]

( i agree that the latency is totally fine and playable for me personally but others may disagree )

@spark granite #1096015979055697940 message

[zinc dew]

The latency is fine and playable

It’s s great option

I personally prefer the Saffun but that’s mainly due to my Bluetooth dongle forcing me to re-pair the NSO controller every time I turn the system on

[rose elbow]

i played thru japanese Super Mario Bros 2 famicom on NES last weekend using the NSO Snes controller via bluetooth. it's definitely totally fine and playable for me:D

[zinc dew]

I am sensitive to latency and lag but I’m also just as accommodating I’ve found lol

[zealous hull]

Same with 8BitDo kit. A little frustrating.

[zinc dew]

Ah sorry to hear, might just be a Bluetooth controller thing that might be fixable down the line

[rose elbow]

ive not had that issue ! i find my switch pro controller more fiddly and gets wires crossed a bit more but the NSO stuff has been really nice and straight forward for me

[zinc dew]

That’s great to hear

[zealous hull]

I assume they would be treated very similar firmware-wise. As the kit is trying to emulate the official controller.

[hearty oar]

Odd seeing as they should use the same driver, but yeah you can’t complain I guess

[rose elbow]

what issues do u get ?

like the sync green lights bounces back and forth lost?

[zealous hull]

Still no rumble. Has anybody else been able to get the N64 modkit to rumble on anything other than the N64 core? I don't have the Nintendo Online expansion pass because...I mean, look at the server I'm in.

[spark granite]

lol, just went and found it myself and came back and saw this 😄 Thanks!

I found #controllers message

[hearty oar]

it's about what you would expect from the other NSO controllers, yeah, with the same caveat of wired actually being worse than bluetooth

[zinc dew]

lol so weird

[zealous hull]

Just buy thicker USB cables so more electricity can go through them

[rose elbow]

ohh

[zealous hull]

simple

[rose elbow]

haha

i've definitely bought thicker HDMI cables in the past based on nothing other than (thicker must be better)

[zealous hull]

I do network admin stuff as a hobby and back when I used to live with my brother and accidentally bring the internet down he would ask me to "unkink the ethernet cables".

[fair stump]

See how thick those connectors are? Tons of electricity. Negative latency

[rose elbow]

punching bags

[zealous hull]

Thank you. Finally somebody else gets it.

[rose elbow]

im pretty happy with the NSO controllers but limited nature of it is a bummer

also i want more colours .... lol

[zinc dew]

yeah, I loved that about the N64, all those controller colors

I read a preview they thought the color of the controller would inform the color of the player icons in games. It was a preview for Wayne Gretzky

I still remember being bummed out that wasn’t real for some reason lol

[rose elbow]

i've tried to get Jiggies of Time romhack working but haven't been able to boot it up. hangs on black screen. i've tried patching the rom file myself so i'm not 100% if that's the issue, and also i've added the name of the file to the database text file myself.. so that might also be the issue. any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?

[zinc dew]

I had it working on earlier builds

[fair stump]

That's actually just like modern playstation controllers, right?

[hearty oar]

I mean that is actually a thing on Switch, all these years later, ie the controller actually carrying colour information

[zinc dew]

Yeah, my dreams became reality 20 years later

[zealous hull]

I finally bit the bullet and went in and curated a database file of only the games I'll actually want to play. That way it'll be easier/less overwhelming to maintain. Surprisingly only took an hour, even with testing to make sure each hash was accurate

I think it ended up being less than 70 lines. Haha

[rose elbow]

does the bit after the hash have to match the filename of the rom or is it something different? somehing to do with hex or something? (sorry for silly question, im trying to wrap my head around this)

[zealous hull]

The little # is a comment. So anything after that symbol isn't read.

So it just matches by the hash.

[hexed knot]

That seems to match my hash for Jiggies of Time. If you're not seeing "auto-detect failed" after the ROM loads, the issue likely isn't your database file.

[zealous hull]

This weekend I'm probably going to write a script that will both upload a randomized ROM to my MiSTer and append/replace the hash value of an existing randomized ROM with the new one in the db.

[rose elbow]

is there a way to check the patched rom file i created to see if that's the issue ?

For patching, use a ROM with file extension .z64 and file format BigEndian where the 1st byte in your hex editor is 80. Anything else (like 40 &/or 37) denotes an alternate file format (like LittleEndian &/or ByteSwapped) and the patching will fail. Also, you can use Tool64 to check & change formats.

ahh, Tool64 apparently

[spark granite]

I see the pins say CRTs aren't supported. Mine is working beautifully via direct video

[zealous hull]

You can always just get the full md5 value of the entire rom and use that. The database accepts it.

[zinc dew]

I usually load patched games in an emulator to see if they run

[zealous hull]

Make sure it's all lower case.

[zealous hull]

Oh. This is the most practical answer. lol Definitely do this first.

[hearty oar]

mine mostly works, although some games have odd aspect ratio/cropping issues

ie Smash

[hexed knot]

If you have the file in Windows, you can also run the following from the terminal:
Get-FileHash 'PATH' -Algorithm MD5

[zinc dew]

haha maybe it’s not the best way to verify, that’s just what I do because I couldn’t think of anything else

[rose elbow]

ahh, what win emulator is good to test on ?

[hearty oar]

Ares is probably the best choice

[rose elbow]

ty ty

thanks for bearing with the questions :D the core definitely has me excited to check out romhacks so it will be good to get a proper handle on understanding this 🙏

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’s pretty amazing

The romhacking scene is really impressive

[zealous hull]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to learn. These are good questions. I wish the internet as a whole had a better track record for how questions like this are answered.

[hearty oar]

Smash Remix is definitely one to check out, probably one of the most extensive rom hacks I've seen

[zealous hull]

(stack exchange flashback)

[zinc dew]

That hack is genuinely retail game quality, what an incredible job

I love it

[zealous hull]

It's impressive. I tried running around as Sonic first and couldn't believe I was playing it on the N64.

Well--er--the N64 core.

[hearty oar]

The new characters are so cool too, and nicely n64 themed

[zealous hull]

Okay, N64 modkit rumble works on my Switch. 😐

What do I need to do, magic game box? What must I do to uncover your secrets?

[candid copper]

oh man dithering makes this core look gorgeous

[hearty oar]

I take it you’ve tried switch mode on MiSTer + latest unstable Linux kernel?

[zealous hull]

I'm afraid I have. But I appreciate you wanting to help.

I can get rumble on any other controller. Just not the N64 one. Haha

[hearty oar]

Its a real shame the Linux driver is so bad with third party controllers, I guess all of DekuNukem’s original research was done by probing the real thing

Which in turn was used to help write the driver

[zealous hull]

Wait, DekuNukem?

The same person behind the duckyPad?

[hearty oar]

Yep

https://github.com/dekuNukem/Nintendo_Switch_Reverse_Engineering

[zealous hull]

Dang. That's twice that I've benefited from their work. I need to see if they have a ko-fi or something.

[candid copper]

I assume games that need the expansion pack don’t work yet?

[elfin relic]

expansion pack games seem to work

I can play DK64 without any patches

[candid copper]

huh. I’m trying smash remix to no avail

[hearty oar]

Smash remix is not in the database by default, you can actually just get around that by loading up unpatched smash first

Then loading remix after

[zealous hull]

This line configures it correctly for me in the db
ef9f9b7b3488a0e59aa9ed0f421a22b1 ntsc|cic6103|sram32k|rpak # Smash Remix

[hearty oar]

Definitely a better solution

[zealous hull]

holy shit rumble is working

[spark granite]

good timing, was literally about to fire up Smash Remix to try 🙂

[zealous hull]

I do not know how or why, but it is.

This is very dumb, but the lxde drivers wouldn't impact that, would they?

I removed them on a whim and suddenly rumble is working.

[candid copper]

thank you!

[zealous hull]

My pleasure!

[languid dune]

So does the "N64-database_user.txt" file override the "N64-database.txt" file, or is it just for custom CIC entries like Smash Remix and the two files work together?

[rapid prairie]

This may be a dumb question but is there any harm in playing the current core on my CRT if it looks fine?

[zealous hull]

You should be good! A lot of people are playing on their CRT. 🙂

[languid dune]

If it looks fine, than no problem

[zealous hull]

That's a good question! tbh, I forgot that the user file even existed.

[rapid prairie]

Sweet it’s Ocarina time. Thanks!

[devout leaf]

Eventually does anyone know if we’ll be moving away from a database? Or is it something we’ll probably always need?

[languid dune]

It would be nice to just add custom entries to that file, and have the "main" file get updated automatically.

[zealous hull]

I'm crossing my fingers we can move away from it eventually, getting the hash and updating a txt file every time I want to randomize a new rom is going to not be super fun.

[zealous hull]

Genuine question, but will there be a need to have an updated main? We've pretty much covered every official release, no?

[hearty oar]

There must be a better way, other emulators don’t have this issue afaik, or they at least do a decent job of making a good guess from the header

[devout leaf]

Yeah right now the fastest way to do OoT rando is booting the regular first. Even if we could make it so every rom in X folder uses the same settings would work.

[languid dune]

I honestly have no idea. I assumed it was only really being updated with rom hacks these days. But there are still rom hacks that I have that aren't included in it.

[zealous hull]

The only idea I currently have is using the db file to store both the hash as well as a string.

If the string matches the filename of the ROM, then it will load the settings, if not, it falls back to the hash.

Makes it very configurable at the user level.

But I'm not sure how that would work.

Whitespaces, etc.

[languid dune]

How do you even find out what the string/code is for each rom anyway? Can it be done using a Mac?

[zealous hull]

Yep, there are a lot of different ways. I don't know Mac at all, but since it's unix, I assume you can do it pretty easily in the shell.

There are GUI options as well though.

[languid dune]

😵‍💫

[zealous hull]

Sorry, lemme see if there is a program that does a good job finding the hash.

It looks like the appstore has something: "MD5 Master"?

Also, you could just use a website.

[manic basin]

Well shit. My receiver doesn't even have prologic decoding. I could have sworn it did, but it explicitly lists all Dolby decoding and PL/PLII aren't on the list. So much for testing that. I have an old receiver but I'll have to move a monitor to where it's wired in (record player in a no-screen sitting room).

[zealous hull]

Does that work on Mac?

[manic basin]

Oh shit.

No, sorry.

[zealous hull]

No worries! 🙂

[latent galleon]

it's all built in

[manic basin]

But there's a Python one ...somewhere in the thread.

Also, that. It's Unix.

hehe.

[languid dune]

Andy D toying with me!

[latent galleon]

but i guess if you aren't willing to type use a web app

[zealous hull]

I agree it's built in, but some people don't love to use the terminal.

And I want them to have options.

[manic basin]

I swear there was a web front end being worked on at some pont.

*point

[hearty oar]

was going to suggest a one liner like head -c 4096 'rom.z64' | md5sum, but yeah not everyone wants to do CLI stuff lol

[carmine kettle]

@zinc dew pin this

[languid dune]

The trials and tribulations of being a Mac user.

[manic basin]

Well, you get all the imaging stuff, so the needle is still on your side, IMO, hehe.

[zealous hull]

I'm happy with Linux. 🙂

And I guess you are too, as a MiSTer owner.

[manic basin]

Want to make a font and have a PC? Sorry, Chuck...time to completely change your tool chain!

[hearty oar]

finally, the Year of the Linux Desktop ™️

[manic basin]

No joke, I was doing a project that required IIS and all of my 'spare' computers are Linux. I had to sac a Latte Panda for it.

[hearty oar]

what on earth would you need IIS for? Old asp.net stuff?

[manic basin]

.net 4.8 server side

Mono doesn't have what I need.

And they still haven't made a docker instance that runs on Linux yet...but a boy can dream....

But regardless, nearly everything that isn't my main PC is Linux and, a lot of my main PC is Linux.

I spend more time in WSL than I ever thought I would.

[latent galleon]

most things are easier there

[zealous hull]

I just use Git Bash at my work, I'm happy enough with it.

[manic basin]

The pain of typing ls in CMD will never not sting.

[hearty oar]

I still do it every time lol

[manic basin]

I need to just set up an alias.

Which ... is trivial on Linux....

But...

[hearty oar]

or where instead of which

[manic basin]

Yeah

[orchid nimbus]

my HP Elitedesk 800 G3 mini arrived (refurbished)

got my dev and test enviorment back 😄

[manic basin]

I love/hate minipcs. Mostly love. But I swear, every single one of them has some boot quirk that makes them a pain.

My nuc has trouble rebooting after a power outage. My panda locked to 4K and would not output 1080 (not that I used the desktop much, but annoying).

The one that works the best is a compute stick with rPi linux on it. Hehe. Full distros give me a headache on all my minis for some reason. But the rPi x86 build is super solid on that thing.

[hearty oar]

we use some older NUCs as CI runners at my work and yeah, they love to just randomly stop working after being powered on for too long

[rose crypt]

are there any issues with stick inputs with the NSO controller in the core? Mario Party 1's stick spinning minigames are seemingly impossible with my current setup

[hearty oar]

which kind of defeats the purpose...

[rose crypt]

or maybe they're just really bullshit

[zealous hull]

Gotta have that glove.

[manic basin]

Well, they ARE bullshit...but...

[zealous hull]

But for real, not that I'm aware of.

[rose crypt]

my partner did just manage to do it after many tries

[zealous hull]

Maybe a range issue?

[rose crypt]

so maybe it is just crap

[manic basin]

Also not aware, aside from the non-clamped sticks.

[rose crypt]

I should run the stick calibrator to make sure

[hearty oar]

just need to be on latest unstable main and it should be all good

[rose crypt]

I am

and I have the custom zImage

what's the calibration program called again? it's not in the pins

would like to confirm anyway

[orchid nimbus]

who needs a NUC lol

container time!!

(yes I will activate dark mode)

[hearty oar]

https://github.com/sanni/controllertest/tree/master/N64-Port

related, has anyone gotten mimi to work on the core yet?
https://github.com/wermipls/mimi

[zealous hull]

Poor Robby, he's set himself up to be the pin king (kingpin?) and the man just can't catch a break.

[hearty oar]

I tried a while back and it just wouldn't accept any inputs

[zealous hull]

I'll give it a shot right now.

Yep, no inputs.

Which is bad yeah, but even worse for a controller testing ROM.

[languid dune]

I tried this and it doesn't seem to work. It just crashes every time I try to use it with an N64 rom.

[zealous hull]

Well that's not great. I would just use a website if you don't want to use command line tools.

[languid dune]

Is there a website you recommend?

[latent galleon]

@languid dune just try the terminal

only because it's only the header

you can even follow the FAQ!

[manic basin]

Do the MD5s from the rompatcher upload work?

[languid dune]

How would I go about that? I use Terminal for creating CHD files, but that's about it.

[manic basin]

They're not 4096, but I've heard tell that you can use the whole rom for bE.

[zealous hull]

Great question. I'll check right now.

[hearty oar]

head -c 4096 'rom.z64' | md5sum

[zealous hull]

I use the whole rom for my own custom entries, yeah.

[latent galleon]

was going to suggest a one liner like head -c 4096 'rom.z64' | md5sum

had to paste, sorry

except it's md5

as long as you are comfortable navigating to a directory with 'cd' and tab you should be fine

[zealous hull]

Also, you'll obviously want to rename 'rom.z64' to whatever rom you actually want to use.

[hearty oar]

oh macOS

[manic basin]

https://www.romhacking.net/patch/

That generates an MD5 (no need to upload a patch to get it) - @zealous hull is testing it.

[latent galleon]

an md5 of the first 4096 bytes?

[zealous hull]

Doesn't have to be the first. It can be the full.

[manic basin]

Apparently you can do the whole ROM for BE.

[latent galleon]

oh cool

that definitely makes it easier to use a lot of different tools

[hearty oar]

didn't know that, makes it easier I guess

[zealous hull]

It gives a warning that the ROM is too big, but you can force it to calculate anyway.

[manic basin]

And as Freddie Mercury never said, "Big Endian Roms, you make the hackin' world go round."

[surreal summit]

Mac MD5 is just > Open Terminal > Type 'MD5' with a space after it > drag your file to the terminal window > hit enter

[manic basin]

Yeah, we're looking for specifically non-terminal solutions. But 'drag and drop' is pretty damned close to 'no terminal' so that's a good note.

[latent galleon]

good point, everything is easier without needing to get the hash for just part of the file

[languid dune]

Okay, that seems to work.

[zealous hull]

Yep. Hence why I was trying to find alternatives.
In their defence, they never flat-out said they refused to use the terminal. I just made an assumption I perhaps shouldn't have.

Sounds like we're all sorted though.

[languid dune]

Yeah, I do use Terminal for CHDs.

[zealous hull]

Yeah, so this is all my fault. lol

[languid dune]

Though I needed a friend to show me how to use it to create CHDs. He had to create a script for me.

[hearty oar]

Is there a good gui tool for chdman? My current solution is just a terrible shell script

[zealous hull]

Most of my life is held together by terrible shell scripts.

I'm afraid I don't know, but if you find something else out, please let me know.

[manic basin]

I wrote one (in windows, so useless to most) a while back.

Goes both ways.

[elfin relic]

terrible shell scripts make the world go round

[latent galleon]

my current solution is a NAS and ignore the huge files because it's super annoying

[manic basin]

Since I have to round trip stuff based on PCE-CD/Sat/etc so often.

[languid dune]

This also worked when I just tried it. Very easy to do.

[zealous hull]

That's rad. Like I said, I don't know Mac well. Glad you're all set.

[hearty oar]

Well yeah, especially since Saturn doesn’t have CHD support yet

[surreal summit]

I worked at Apple for 8 years, lol

[manic basin]

CHDMAN is the best processor stressor outside of Cinebench, btw. Batching CHDMAN is brutal.

[manic basin]

I worked at Microsoft for 10. We should do a commercial...

[hearty oar]

It shows, that was excellently worded and thought out advice lol

[manic basin]

Yep, excellent stuff

[languid dune]

Okay, so I just ran some tests. I created a separate "N64-database_user.txt" file that only has my custom Smash Remix CIC entry included. Nothing else is in the file. And it does indeed work in tandem with the "N64-database.txt" file. So you can use the _user version of the file to just include custom entries like rom hacks, and leave alone the "normal" database file. They will both work at the same time!

Very cool, and very easy to do.

[lament escarp]

Morning y'all.

[languid dune]

Anyone know what save type Sin and Punishment uses? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

[hearty oar]

Should be in the db file already

[languid dune]

I can't find the game in the db file.

[rose crypt]

even under Tsumi to Batsu?

[hearty oar]

171459f1b0e0654b6e00e32b29055f1d ntsc|cic6102|eeprom512|rpak # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha

[elfin relic]

definitely there

[languid dune]

I couldn't find the japanese name for it anywhere. I thought it was called Sin and Punishment in Japan...

[elfin relic]

yeah, 罪と罰 sin and punishment :p

[zealous hull]

I don't suppose anybody has got the OoT/MM combo randomizer working, no?

[surreal summit]

No 😕

[zealous hull]

Ah well. I'll just swap back and forth between them.

[languid dune]

Nice, I finished adding the rom hacks that weren't in the main database file. It was only three roms, since the rest of my rom hacks must already be included in the main database file, as they already work.

[quick arch]

@weary palm Since your last update of N64-database.txt
The Game (US version) Donald Duck Goin' Quacker shows this
It is set to PAL now

[jade jetty]

was designed for use on a real n64

[manic basin]

Yep, looks like it got set to pal for hash a4a45436f7f05292764f729fad79c501 (NA)

I'll submit a PR.

[quick arch]

Thanks ! Maybe he thinks it is a PAL game because it proposes other languages

[manic basin]

That's my guess!

[hearty oar]

I'm sure this has been explained above, but search is failing me - what was the driving motivation for using the hashes to determine cic, region, etc, instead of the id in the header of the rom, like other emulators do?

[manic basin]

The two letter unique ID? I'm not sure. It seems as reasonable as the next thing. I do remember hearing that some games had the wrong UID, so I guess it's possible it's not actually unique in the wild?

I don't remember where I heard (read) it.

And this accounts for homebrew, so that's a bonus.

Most HB are TERRIBLE when you tear apart the header.

[maiden wyvern]

homebrew doesn't reuse a compatible header?

id*

[manic basin]

It 'should' but it doesn't. I've seen a number of NXXU ... there's also the extended header that was decided up on by the community, but nobody uses that at all, which is sad because it would be EXTREMELY useful.

And pal/ntsc hacks also make transmuting the header worhtless.

[wicked granite]

Does anybody know why Waverace 64 shindou edition does not work while the us waverace 64 works well?

[manic basin]

Change save type to 'none' in the system settings.

Known issue with timing.

[hearty oar]

thanks, was just curious about what other emulators did for this and so started poking around in Ares source code: https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares/blob/master/mia/medium/nintendo-64.cpp

[manic basin]

You can quickly switch it back and saves should work (but it can also cause instability if you do it too late).

[wicked granite]

@manic basin thanks.

[hearty oar]

I like having it in data though, like you say makes it nice to be able to quickly edit your own N64-database_user.txt if you have a hack or homebrew that doesn't work

[manic basin]

I'm very much hoping there's a more standard, more deterministic way of doing it. Lookups suck.

[hearty oar]

I do think it would be cool to have pretty much that code living in main, @weary palm kind of did a partial fallback at least, I feel like having the rest just hardcoded as a fallback would sort out 99% of romhacks and such

[manic basin]

Finding the cic is pretty deterministic. 4032 bytes of boot code that are pretty solid for anything except DD romhacks. But the memory requirements/capabilities are much harder to get out of code. I'd say cic could absolutely be 99% detected. As for PIF, aside from homebrew the region is very reliable. So that's just a simple switch with fallthrough NTSC or PAL. If there was a perfect answer for save type, rpak, tpak (in the future, mouse, DD potentially), we'd be golden apart from some outliers that could easily be handled with a user-txt. But I don't know the secret sauce for that and sadly, it's basically 'every game until you know it's not.'

We could certainly trim the DB a lot at least for the swath of games that don't save (especially if rpak and cpak don't hurt to be attached if they're not used...just assume both and let the game not use them - no idea if that would work, but if it did it would be nice in this case).

[hearty oar]

I guess yeah my thinking is we have the header there, if a rom is loaded that is missing from the DB file we may as well try and use it to get the save type and be right some of the time, instead of none of the time

[manic basin]

Also worthwhile for sure. I'd just love to see the DB trimmed as much as possible for maintainability/etc. But that may be a pipe dream.

[mellow raft]

I have a 64Drive which detects saves and cic so I was gonna see if I could test some romhacks to find the info

[vapid hawk]

I’ve never had to add a Zelda romhack to the everdrives db

[heady mason]

Planning to try out this core this weekend with my siblings 🙂 We used to play Pokemon Stadium , those Mario Party style minigames. From my tests so far Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 seems to be pretty much fully working. I tried a few different minigames and found no crashes or anything.

[lethal wren]

This is so pleasant to revive those sensations while playing this core... I never had this same pleasure with software emulators which had a lot more graphical issues and not so easy filters.

I'm so amazed, so happy, so thankful... And yes, I'm a patreon, that's the least I can do ❤️

But don't get me wrong, I love some Software Emulators, the one for GameCube/Wii is fantastic! 😉

[fleet glacier]

That would be because the everdrive use the internal ROM ID instead of CRC to set the save format and would thus be the same as the original game as the romhackers seldom change it.

I previously suggested in here that they should use the ROM ID in the database instead of CRC but nobody picked up on it.

You can see how everdrive configure savetype and region in the manual here: https://krikzz.com/pub/support/everdrive-64/x-series/everdrive-64-manual.pdf

[hearty oar]

Yeah that matches my hypothesis above at least

I think falling back to ID for things that are missing from the hash DB seems like a good idea at least

[vapid hawk]

Yeah it seems to work for everdrive pretty well I was barely even aware it had such a system it works so well

[hearty oar]

You do need a tiny bit more logic though for some games, there is a revision byte that changes things for certain games, eg SM64 shindou version has rumble but other revisions don’t

Or the region sometimes changes things

Like save type

[grave island]

This is the longest we've gone without a new test build. Wonder what we will see next.

[rose elbow]

managed to get the Banjo Kazooie romhack working "Jiggies of Time" :-) i booted into it directly after playing vanilla Banjo Kazooie and my save file had transferred across with all the progress from BK appearing in the Jiggies romhack. i guess it's just a simple thing of deleting the save file for the romhack, resetting the core, and booting into the romhack from scratch. but things like that can very easily trip me up!

happy to see it working and keen to poke around a bit more properly after beating BK which should be soon

[tropic sand]

Robert is working on the VI and will take some days.

"The Video Interface (or VI) is one of multiple I/O interfaces in the RCP, which configures different parts of the console's video rendering and output."

[heady mason]

we did play Pokemon Stadium in emulators, but it was not easy getting these games to run, and when we did get them to run it had some issues still.

[cerulean elk]

Hopefully the first playable retail game 😂

[grave island]

Oh, that sounds like its going to be a big upgrade to the core.

[hearty oar]

it's really the last major thing afaik stopping the games from looking like n64 games on the core

[grave island]

Is this what creates the vaseline?

[wanton sun]

it's not as big as the RSP or RDP, but still a full module so it takes some time

it is what creates the eyecandy, yes 🙂

[cerulean elk]

We are patient 🙂

[drowsy lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-lubricant-vaseline-gif-18758336

[grave island]

What hardware feature is responsible for SM64 face to properly work?

[silent marten]

TLB

[daring meteor]

TLB

But for the games that are working, yes

[grave island]

TLB sounds like a disorder.

[worn delta]

Are all of RSP and RDP implemented now?

[daring meteor]

YUV for one

[hearty oar]

How do you think Mario’s face got like that?

[daring meteor]

And LOD

[grave island]

Translation Lookaside Buffer, is this correct?

[daring meteor]

Yes

[zinc dew]

Damn you don’t even say please

[remote hatch]

ban 😉

[hearty oar]

ban Robby, amirite

[hollow pebble]

Jesus, I’ve not looked at the N64 core for a week and it’s changed so much

WTF Robert

Calm down

[lament escarp]

He has a 5 day weekend ahead, he is only just starting.

[daring meteor]

Least diffrences week by Robert

Hahahaha

[weary palm]

I reverted a few entries. Thanks. ❤️

[weary palm]

I kinda agree, but Robert thinks it's better for this information to live in a separate database file. I think I've turned in this question. I think we could have both. 🙂

[quick arch]

TY 😉

[hearty oar]

It would be nice to just yeah, have a bit more to fall back on, I’m not at all opposed to having the hash DB, but currently if the hash lookup fails then all we check is cic, it would be nice to make a good attempt to provide the correct save type using the rom header, even if it’s still not always correct it will at least be correct some of the time instead of never

[weary palm]

Perhaps I will make a fork that handles it like Ares, and if enough people likes it, it's a merge? https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares/blob/bcddb7a68f1a65d6d0a3200a065de58d0e85317c/mia/medium/nintendo-64.cpp#L160

[simple olive]

//detect the CIC used for a given gamepak based on checksumming its bootcode

[hearty oar]

haha yeah, I think I posted the same snippet above lol

[worn delta]

Would this not only happen if the user didn't have the .txt file?

[hearty oar]

or if the txt file didn't have your rom hash

[weary palm]

No, it will always check it the rom is in the text file first

[worn delta]

Are there any real world examples of this happening now?

[hearty oar]

Pretty much every rom hack that isn’t in the DB

They rarely change the ID, but yeah if the hash doesn’t match then it won’t load properly

[native mesa]

The database in not good for longevity imo so any alternative is welcome

How does everdrive handle it?

[hearty oar]

There’s a discussion above, pretty much exactly like that

[weary palm]

everdrive has a database of ~157 games

but only save type, because it only need save type.

[hearty oar]

It does it by ID though

[weary palm]

yes

[hearty oar]

So it doesn’t break for most rom hacks

[native mesa]

And CIC is patched or uses their 'UltraCIC'

[carmine kettle]

Sorry pleaseee 🙏

[hearty oar]

The issue with IDs in the text DB though is that they don’t always provide the right save type, you also sometimes need a revision byte

So I can see both why Ares chose to do it in code, and why for having it live in data Robert chose a hash instead

Both approaches have positives and drawbacks…which is why I think we should do both 😄

[cerulean elk]

Weird discord desktop is down but not mobile 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hollow rune]

Same

[cerulean elk]

So weird. Ok well it’s not just me then. Thanks @hollow rune I’ll send bamboo as thanks for the confirmation!

[zinc dew]

Just because he’s a panda doesn’t mean all he eats is bamboo

[cerulean elk]

Funny I can see my messages loading on desktop but can’t send them

[cerulean elk]

Sure but they do eat bamboo. So it’s an appropriate snack

@zinc dew you don’t just eat ribs but if I sent you ribs you wouldn’t turn em away I bet 😂

test

[zinc dew]

True but only because they came from you. No offense to most people here but I would not eat ribs if they shipped me them lol.

[cerulean elk]

oh hey it works on desktop again

[zinc dew]

I posted about the issue in #general-banter . We’re rolling out our MiSTer Platinum Discord service. There might be interruptions while we fix the validation servers.

[cerulean elk]

And it broke lol

I want Diamond status. With airport lounge access

[hollow rune]

I mostly eat pizza

[cerulean elk]

My wife and I saw a rabbit eat a piece of pepperoni pizza once on our street. It was V weird

[zinc dew]

LOL

[cerulean elk]

You know you use Discord too much that when it goes down you think “but friends…that’s where they are”

[native mesa]

Someone was taking a photo of my house. Should I track him down

[abstract slate]

Is Discord Platinum like new tinder where ppl can pay $500 to be bigger trolls?

[cerulean elk]

I’d probably go outside and beat them myself

In @zinc dew home state you’d probably catch a bullet for that sorta thing

[native mesa]

Lol

[zinc dew]

You’re genuinely not wrong

[native mesa]

Well he just liked my Halloween thing. Or maybe it's a cover

[zinc dew]

Yeah, how do you think I became a mod with this shitposter tag

[abstract slate]

Lol

[cerulean elk]

I kinda figured you were a bait mod; keep the crazies off the rest of the mod team

[zinc dew]

LOL

[marble cargo]

We need a vaseline emoji

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew shrink that down for an emoji

Maybe change it to “blur life”

[zinc dew]

it’s tough because we all loving make fun of it but some people can view it as us dunking on the n64

We’ll probably remove the quest stuff since it’s no longer meme’d

And we have this sticker for some reason lol

[native mesa]

It's weird my girlfriend looks like the 240p test suite girl

[cerulean elk]

Imaginary?

[native mesa]

Luckily not , for now anyway

[cerulean elk]

Lol sorry. That was a tee ball joke. You set it up

Maybe ask her how she feels about 240p vs 480i before you get serious

“I don’t care about your religious beliefs or political party affiliations…but I can’t date someone who likes interlaced signals”

If my wife woke up and said “interlacing is the better choice for retro gaming”…I’d get my suitcases 😂

[marble cargo]

The vaseline is what gives the Nintendo 64 its unique look, so I do think it is necessary if you want the authentic experience.

[native mesa]

Yeah mega man 9 @ 480i? 🤮

[weary beacon]

I can't believe no one ever found a way to get MM9 running at 240p

Feels like a classic game that got a bunch of mediocre ports, but without the thing itself

[sly wasp]

you can play MM9 in 240p instead of 480i with hardware (like an extron interface) if you have a 240p CRT but this is probably a topic better discussed in https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/806021143948689438

[quaint pewter]

Same. Same. That's why I'm shaped like a panda these days.

[native mesa]

I do have an extron and a retrotink and have done exactly that!

I made a nice infographic for 240p downscaling

[zinc dew]

I made a nice infographic for just having fun

[native mesa]

Robby the 480i man slathered in vaseline

[zinc dew]

LOL

just pour a tub of Vaseline all over myself before I play games

[native mesa]

get it all up in your controllers

[mild ether]

The only downside to the extron switching is the voltage coming out on sync. Really awesome you can buy switches that cost thousands for next to nothing now.

[cerulean elk]

Mobile only it seems

My desktop won’t send messages. Loads em fine

[native mesa]

I'm on desktop

but I always have it open

[cerulean elk]

I haven’t tried desktop in a minute. Not in my office

[rose elbow]

maybe there's a new N64 core but discord isn't posting it properly ??? 😲

but maybe

[mild ether]

It has been a while.

[zealous hull]

I wasn't aware he was planning on pushing anything out Wednesday.

[mild ether]

Must be something big coming

[zealous hull]

He seemed to think this would take quite some time.

Which--I know--it's Robert.

[rose elbow]

i'm only being silly. i hope robert takes all the time he needs :)

[zealous hull]

lol I think I read everything since I was on last night, I must have just missed it

[native mesa]

He has to wait for the kegs of vaseline to arrive to get in the mood

[zealous hull]

I'll just take your word for it.

[rose elbow]

it is fun seeing the visual effects getting applied one by one.

makes it alot easier to appreciate what the n64 is doing

[zealous hull]

No worries, I saw it

[rose elbow]

ooh

[zealous hull]

Cool. Sounds promising.

[cerulean elk]

I’ll take the weekend off so I can play N64 for fun lol

Or go out drinking. Also an option

No I’ll play the core

[rose elbow]

i've 100%ed everything on banjoe kazooie.. i remember the last boss being rough as a kid and i'm holding it off a bit

[cerulean elk]

I want to just enjoy it some more

Get some Rush 2 in. Try to finish Bomberman Hero

[zealous hull]

I'm going to 100% DK64, I think. I used to do that every summer back when I was in school.

[cerulean elk]

But tomorrow I’ve gotta make YT stuff. Got a full work schedule

[rose elbow]

ohh i didn't even realize there was a third bomberman game on 64 until your recent video ! very keen to see that

no PAL release, had no idea

[cerulean elk]

Four technically with the Japanese 2D game

64/Second Attack/Hero/Japanese 64

[rose elbow]

ya Second Attack in particular caught my attention. i love the 3D games on 64

maybe those top down 3D ones aren't amazing i don't quite remember but i definitely have a lot of affinity and fondness for it

[balmy dagger]

I come in this thread and immediately see this NSFW content?

More.

[cerulean elk]

Second Attack is fun. They are all awesome

[rose elbow]

nice nice!

[orchid nimbus]

don't make the upscaler crowd angry - they might slap you 😄

[zealous hull]

Yeah, there is so much to play on the core now, I'm pretty happy with just waiting for a bit.

[zinc dew]

lol sorry it’s all in good fun. I think it’s supremely cool how people have figured out how to upscale video signals in such a perfect way.

[mild ether]

Apology accepted.

[zinc dew]

The MiSTer has ruined me tbh

[rose elbow]

i think last update or so had N64 Ocarina of time working and playing and testing that out accidentally played through to Dododngo's cavern .. so i've got that file sitting waiting for me :D

[cerulean elk]

I just wish someone would solve scaling that didn’t break raster sync for light gun arcade boards. But admittedly I’m probably the only one who cares about that

[weary palm]

Someone feeling brave and want to try a build-in database?

[cerulean elk]

Can’t up/downscale 24khz boards and have them work with the light gun

[orchid nimbus]

@weary palm sorg will not allow it

[zinc dew]

I almost follow. You mean scaling prevents light guns from working?

[weary palm]

The TV is occupied so I have not tried it out

[cerulean elk]

It affects the sync / pairing to the raster draw to where the light guns won’t function

I have some 24khz light gun boards and they will only function on medium resolution. Scaling the signal in any way causes the sensors in the gun to not “see” anything

[wanton sun]

the main idea of having the database not in main was that it will change over time. The github repo of the database proves it does change constantly. It has more commits than the core in the same timeframe.

[zinc dew]

Yup, excellent point. I like the database being external because it gives the community much better access to fixing issues.

[weary palm]

Why not both?

[zealous hull]

Robert, this isn't request. Just a question.

But would it be possible to check a ROM filename against a string in the database file, then fallback to md5 if that fails?

[wanton sun]

what name would that be? If you would want common romset names, then obviously no, because it yells piracy

[zealous hull]

I wasn't sure if it could be set at the user level.

So I could name my rom "Mario 64.z64" then have an entry in the database with that string: "Mario 64".

[heavy geyser]

isn't that a feature that rom organizers already have?

[weary palm]

Everdrive has a fixed db and a user-defined database for extras or exceptions to the fixed db

[zealous hull]

Whitespace, special characters, etc, could be an issue, of course.

Just wasn't sure if it was possible.

[wanton sun]

exactly what we also have: you can have the database and a database_user

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/commit/d98ae034e00e4e94670975937f77bde1449bb756

[weary palm]

maybe it's just the hashing that is flawed

here's my mess: https://github.com/yxkalle/Main_MiSTer/commit/7a5da7abb5120fc1dae6d6503c804827b512b710

[wanton sun]

if there is a bug, it can be fixed. It can also add more comfort like user can set name instead of hash

[weary palm]

good thing I can add anything I want to my fork xD

I don't have to agree to any of you

[quaint pewter]

beauty of open source. if you have the skills you can taylor a project to your exact whims and desires I guess 🙂

[zealous hull]

Does anybody have a database_user file on hand they wouldn't mind sharing?

[wanton sun]

but having two independent sources will lead to trouble. And having one that will require constant pull requests to main will put a target on my back 😅

[weary palm]

I don't like how complex the db has became to maintain.

[zealous hull]

I think we should reserve the main database just for official releases.

That way there won't be anything else to update.

[orchid nimbus]

want a web interface?

[round rune]

Robert, I subbed your patreon and tested out the core for the first time, last night. Really impressed! F-Zero feels authentic and amazing! I’m setting it up on my big screen and building 4 of the 8bitdo controllers around it. Thanks so much for all the passion! ❤️

[zealous hull]

Users can modify their own user db file for hacks, etc.

[weary palm]

rom hacks will always live in the external db

[zealous hull]

By external, you mean the non-user?

But why?

If people know how to patch a ROM, surely they would be capable of getting a hash and copy/pasting into a text file. The alternative just seems so overcomplicated.

[weary palm]

No I mean a text file

[zealous hull]

Ah. I'm very sorry, that's my misunderstanding.

I dunno, it just feels weird to maintain this for non-official releases, I still see reasons to just make it an end-user thing.

But that's only my opinion.

[wanton sun]

it doesn't hurt to have homebrew or romhacks in it if people really want. For anyone who doesn't want, it also doesn't hurt

just copy the file once and forget about it

if you want to add things only for you, use the database_user

much easier than compiling something into main

but that's just my opinion. I'm still using the prototype database markun prepared before it was even official

[weary palm]

If the db would allow entries for cart id, region and revision... that would be cool. Maybe I should try to make that happen instead.

[wanton sun]

i don't see why not. currently it wants hash and i see why having ID or even romname would be easier for users to add

[zealous hull]

As somebody that plays a lot of randomizers, using a static filename rather than a hash that is changed every cycle would be much simpler for me. 🙂

[wanton sun]

usually a randomizer shouldn't change the hash of the header

maybe some do, i don't know

[zealous hull]

I may need to do some more testing, but I believe it's happening in at least one instance. I shouldn't say that for certain though.

But anyway, sorry for pulling you into a database conversation.
Hope your work has been going well!

[gray quiver]

Is there a digital to analog type setting that I am amissing for the N64 core. I have my Mister set up in an arcade cab and don't have any analog inputs. Will the N64 core work in a digital only setup? Thanks.

[wanton sun]

I understand that the whole databse thing is not the ideal solution, but the problem is that there exists no perfect solution for everyone with N64, as the rom itself doesn't tell all important information

the current database covers 99% of the use cases of normal users, but maybe not those of randomizers or other mods

[woven olive]

This is kind of moot point because changing the rom name doesn't affect it's hash value.

[wanton sun]

i hope we can find a solution without changing everything again

[woven olive]

If your rom doesn't match the database you likely have a strange dump and then you will add a hash entry to the users-db

[zealous hull]

The specific thing I was asking about was using filename instead of a hash. Then falling back to hash.

Not for the purpose of a single entry, but for the entire database.

So:

Use filename if exists/matches, use md5 if not.

[worn delta]

What we have now seems to be working well for the vast majority of users, the database covers all the roms in the major packs, and then some. If somsone is a poweruser patching their own ROMs and using randomliser then they can easily add it to their own supplemental DB, and if anything is in a pack that isn't in the DB and should be then it is very easy for it to be added. I am no Dev and not the most tecnical, and even I can fix issues in the .txt DB.

[zealous hull]

Can confirm that one randomizer I have changes the header. Dang.

[zealous hull]

Yeah, I'm just going to write a script I think.

It's just not super ideal, I at least wanted to see if checking a string was possible.

[worn delta]

Maybe some good soul can make an easy to use webtool for for getting the hash file if that is a blocker

[weary palm]

The hashing is flawed IMO because it hashes the hash that's baked into every ROM, and is based on the first megabyte of the ROM. Some cic variants verifies this hash.

[quaint pewter]

romhacking patcher gives the md5... patch then load up again your patched rom to see the new md5 if it's changed

https://www.romhacking.net/patch/

[ornate obsidian]

Well the one randomizer for OOT I used is working flawlessly atleast

[zealous hull]

Yeah, it's the Paper Mario randomizer that changes the header.

I may talk to the dev and see if they'd be willing to not modify the header.

But I dunno. It sounds like I'm bothering somebody regardless.

[ornate obsidian]

Quick question tho, should I use some special mister build or something whilst using a Tribute64? It seemed to work well in OoT, but the stick was kinda weird in Smash, thats why im asking

[heady mason]

I thought the database only helped set certain settings automatically? For specific games it should be possible to set those settings manually, right? Which of course might not be optimal either.

[lament escarp]

Are you on the latest unstable? It introduced a range fix for analog sticks.

[ornate obsidian]

Unsure honestly at this point, i'll just update to the latest unstable and try it:D

[zealous hull]

You're correct. It's more a matter of convenience, I suppose. Having to set those values every time you load a game isn't super fun.

[ornate obsidian]

Feels like im updating every day lately

[quaint pewter]

the database sets the security chip version which is pretty important

[zealous hull]

And if you make a mistake, I believe some saves get wiped?

I think that's happened to me a few times.

[lament escarp]

To be fair, Robert also updates the core almost every day. 😛

[heady mason]

of course not. Hmm, I could look into MiSTer Main coding again. I am guessing it could be solved in MiSTer Main alone? I could maybe make it update the database... I have to check the structure of the database first though

[ornate obsidian]

True that!

[heady mason]

Although... are people saying some roms somehow have a randomized header hash? Or is that hackstuff where every release has a new header?

[devout leaf]

@wanton sun Good afternoon! In the future is the goal to eliminate the need for a database file or is that something that'll need to be done because of all the settings?

[zealous hull]

We've already discussed this quite a lot @devout leaf

You can scroll up to read the convo, if you'd like

[devout leaf]

To be fair it's a ton of text to scroll through and I missed it unless you have a link?

[ripe sentinel]

its literally just 5min ago in the conversation

[raw oriole]

The latter. Chasing homebrew and mod roms is very low on the cost/benefit scale though. It's an active community generating more, while there are very few commercial games still being produced. A db of the settings for "real" roms is simple and practical. Trying to include more is hard and tedious.

[zealous hull]

I think you can just look at the last Robert comments.

[devout leaf]

Oh my bad for asking because I didn't se. I'll go back to lurking.

[zealous hull]

No worries!

Well, I hope I didn't come across as ungrateful.

I'm just one of the 1% of users that plays randomizers more than the vanilla games.

Just trying to find a solution, or see if one is even possible.

[lament escarp]

Maybe it would be a better solution to make a second, optional list with all the popular randomizers and hacks and just copy it to the user list?

[heady mason]

I will try to look into ways to update the DB. Would be easiest with an external tool. C is not my strongest language. Its pretty low on the list even. But would be nice if the tool could run on the MiSTer itself I guess.

[raw oriole]

A two-tier type thing has been suggested, aye. Official and user.

[lament escarp]

Yeah but more like a massive repository of all the hacks so you guys don't have to add all the entrys youself.

[vagrant ivy]

its never going to get to be in Main. Its uneeded bloat and you have to convince Sorg it isnt

[raw oriole]

Which is fine; better even. Then those who want a db addendum that'll be forever aging out can enjoy finding it themselves 🙂

[vagrant ivy]

well thats why the user database file exists

the problem is already solved

[native mesa]

I think most agree that the current implementation isn't ideal but is fine for testing. Im not sure Robert is concerned with an alternative since I don't think he plays rom hacks. Might be up to the community to dev something

[vagrant ivy]

there already is

the user database file covers all this

[native mesa]

No it doesnt

[vagrant ivy]

yes it does. You add the Hash and then info for the hack in your own user database file

job done

[native mesa]

Yes manual update and knowledge of how the user database works and external tools to get your hash

[vagrant ivy]

I can write you a powershell to generate the hash in seconds

[native mesa]

When Joe shmoe just wants to play his randomized zelda

[lament escarp]

Yeah and you can share the entrys and make a romhack master list.

[vagrant ivy]

Specify the file path

$filePath = "C:\Path\To\Your\File.txt"

Calculate the MD5 hash of the first 4096 bytes

$hash = Get-FileHash -Path $filePath -Algorithm MD5 -InputStream (New-Object System.IO.FileStream -ArgumentList $filePath, [System.IO.FileMode]::Open, [System.IO.FileAccess]::Read)

Display the MD5 hash

$hash.Hash

[iron trail]

You can use built in tools in Win, MacOS, and Linux to generate hashes. The online patching tool also spits out the hash.

[iron trail]

The database doesn't even need the first 4096 bytes, it also accepts the full MD5 so this could be taken down to a one liner

[vagrant ivy]

true

i was just following what was done in the initial database

[prisma ivy]

I'm late to the party. Why do we need a database for N64? Is it because of the status/progress of the core so far? Did other cores need a db like this when they were first made?

[vagrant ivy]

becasue N64 carts dont have headers

[prisma ivy]

Headers are something I don't understand but that is outside the scope of this chat.

[fleet glacier]

They don't have COMPLETE headers. The headers are missing information about save format, rumble support and other things.

[vagrant ivy]

the database informs the system what HW is attachable and what CIC needs to be used to pass the anti piracy checks

[prisma ivy]

What hardware is attachable, like is rumble pak supported?

[zealous hull]

I'm probably just going to shutup about the database and just write a shitty script that pushes the updated rom to the mister and replaces an existing hash in the db with a newly calculated one.

If a better solution comes about, I'll be thrilled. But I can manage. 🙂

[prisma ivy]

So hacks of NES games for example had a complete header? That's why it's not a problem there?

[mild ether]

I like this idea better. The MD5 method gets way out of hand with endless amounts of mods and hacks.

[vagrant ivy]

since the md5 is for the CIC region it shouldnt change due to a hack

the hack has no need to alter the CIC

[zealous hull]

Unfortunately, there are always edge cases.

[vagrant ivy]

so one hack

[zealous hull]

A randomizer, yes.

[vagrant ivy]

hardly worth ripping the system up for

every other hack would work fine with the current md5 of the first 4096 bytes

[zealous hull]

I agree. I'm sure people are sick of hearing me talk about it. I was more just asking about the possibility of using a filename alongside the md5.

I didn't want to change how we handle anything else.

[vagrant ivy]

that would just breed a group who renamed their files and then broke things

[zealous hull]

I'm unsure, if we allowed for a md5 fallback, changing the filename wouldn't really make a difference, no?

My thought was to set the filename at the _user level.

[vagrant ivy]

all that effort for one paper Mario Hack seems insane

[zealous hull]

I think I've probably said enough. Haha

[lament escarp]

Just to understand this correctly, the rom gets randomized on pc and than send to the mister, so a different checksum for each randomized version?

[vagrant ivy]

no

[marble cargo]

I really think this all isn't necessary, since you can just easily trick the core by booting up the original game and then the hack.

[vagrant ivy]

the cart contains the randomiser

[mild ether]

If you disable the CRC check that is in the first 4096

[vagrant ivy]

the first 4096 bytes are the CIC bytes, Nintendo added to stop piracy

[drowsy lantern]

In the same way that a iNES 2.0 header format was created, it seems like someone should take up the herculean task of creating a new (or extended) header format for N64 roms and bake it into every rom out there. Would solve all the issues.

[vagrant ivy]

and never get traction

Every emulator would need to use it

and Mister is a tiny tiny percentage of people who "Emulate"

[mild ether]

Seems like something that might work is check the MD5 and with no match check cart id/revision to match against MD5 list maybe. Then the most important modified game Paper Mario is covered.

[vagrant ivy]

again its 1 hack for Paper Mario

[devout leaf]

Ocarina of Time does it as well

[vagrant ivy]

it changes the CIC ?

why

[devout leaf]

The only way I can boot it is opening up OoT, closing it, and opening the randomizer. I don't know why.

[vagrant ivy]

did you check the MD5 of the first 4096 bytes ?

[zealous hull]

Agreed. Those may stay static across different randomizations.

[vagrant ivy]

becasue its unlikely the hack changed the CIC

[mild ether]

If you update the CRC or disable it.

[vagrant ivy]

I think you are misunderstanding there isnt a CRC

the first 4096 is the CIC

and the MD5 checksum of this is used in the database file

you dont disable the CIC to run a game

[zinc dew]

You’re a CIC

[vagrant ivy]

a Hack really shouldnt be changing these bytes they are just Nintendo Anti Piracy

the Hack should be altering the rest of the rom

[prisma ivy]

I find this all very interesting (just to be clear, I'm not being sarcastic)

Much learning

[vagrant ivy]

It would be interesting to know why The Paper Mario hack needs the CIC changed and it would be fun to replace the paper mario hack CIC with the real CIC and see it it still worked

[paper orchid]

The first 4096 bytes is the header + CIC, right?

[vagrant ivy]

just the CIC

there is no header

[zealous hull]

I don't know for certain, but I wonder if it's not using those bytes to store a randomization string.

Just for info, not that it's using it for anything.

[vagrant ivy]

could be I guess

[prisma ivy]

And no header on N64 ROMs is causing problems right

[vagrant ivy]

it makes it necessary for a database so we know if rumble is needed etc

[raw oriole]

I bet it's just a cockup of the randomiser

[zealous hull]

If/When the core is fully developed and we can confirm PM will even run. I may reach out to the dev (we've spoken before) and see if they're willing to leave those bytes untouched.

Doesn't seem worth it at all now, of course.

[vagrant ivy]

if you clone the paper mario CIC over the hack CIC does it at least run as far as the hack does now

[mild ether]

Point me to the patch for it and I will tell you exactly what it changes when I get home.

[mellow path]

when it's working well, please do share.

[vagrant ivy]

you failed to donate enough. Try harder !"

[paper orchid]

So I'm looking at http://en64.shoutwiki.com/wiki/ROM which states that the first 4096 bytes would be "a header + the bootcode/bootstrap"

This is a PM randomizer right?

[zealous hull]

But then strangers on the internet will judge my shell scripting. 🙂

lol No, I'll reach out, somebody will definitely find ways to improve it.

[heady mason]

Sorg is usually okay with changes to main if its a complete thing that you have made that works. This is specific to the N64 core.

Pretty sure MiSTer Main is already what is handling the database, would certainly be wasteful to store it in the core itself... and pretty sure the core itself would not even be able to access the DB without the help of MiSTer Main in some way.

[zealous hull]

Correct. I use icebound's randomizer.

[zinc dew]

omg this is great

[paper orchid]

Can I get a link, here or DM?

[zealous hull]

It's written in Python, I run it locally, but there is also a web gui

[heady mason]

Btw... what are those headers even used for? Cant you just force them to match some official header?

[paper orchid]

I have a day off today and I wanna do some digging

[zealous hull]

https://github.com/icebound777/PMR-SeedGenerator