Nintendo 64

[graceful radish]

Thank you!!!!!

[native mesa]

Bombers notebook hang persists

[eternal island]

i had only played on a real n64 for ages. name entry usually would be kind of sluggish almost

[robust trout]

Welp, back to work
Cheers 🍻 @wanton sun you doggone legend

[eternal island]

someone else noticed it too when i pointed it out a bit back

[lean spruce]

would be good if somebody else confirmed as it feels like I remember it. I dont have a N64 anymore to compare

[azure hatch]

that'd be wild if the mister is performing better than real hardware in the menus ;) seems as such

[eternal island]

i don't anymore either. sold mine and my everdrive when the core was announced lol

also sold my saturn

[silent marten]

Nice find, hopefully when PI DMA timings are accurate this error might disappear

[native mesa]

Try dithering without texture filtering if you like squares in your squares

[paper orchid]

Oh right

[mortal panther]

"Yo dawg, I heard you like squares..."

[paper orchid]

S&P still has that one stray pixel in training 😭

[eternal island]

if someone here has a real n64 and is willing to compare the menu in oot and mm at the menu to see if the menu had a bit too much caffeine

it doesn't seem to be causing issues with the game itself though

[native mesa]

Probably the same as the bomber notebook at 480i

[wanton sun]

OOT menu runs in 60fps. To make it have less is very difficult. even without cache it runs at 60fps

i have to severely make the ddr3 slower to have it break down to 30fps

[eternal island]

it might be better that way tbh, i think its also speeding up the regular menu for items

which is actually kind of nice

[paper orchid]

I will say the dithering looks "OK" it's definitely a little off to me

[mortal panther]

Even by accident, he made everything better. 😄

[wanton sun]

there must be something wild going on when the real n64 only runs that at 30fps or lower

[vapid hawk]

are we sure it runs it slower?

[lean spruce]

my FPS is 20 everywhere lol

[vapid hawk]

its a pretty snappy menu on real hardware

[azure hatch]

Sometimes real hardware would choke when first loading the menu up or going into inventory.

[vapid hawk]

this should be easy to prove with a quick video of both

[zealous hull]

Oh. Then does it really matter?

[wanton sun]

file select is 60fps on the core, ingame inventory 30fps, ingame 20fps

would need to test that on real hardware

[native mesa]

I could get a hardware recording for you

[paper orchid]

Though that's right, comparing on the N64 vs. the core will have differences just because of how the N64 does its output

[native mesa]

I'll have to move some stuff around

[vapid hawk]

just spent a few mins staring at the sky in OOT, the sky is looking much much smoother today 🙂

[mortal panther]

I could hook up one of mine, but it won't be for several hours until I get home from work.

[wanton sun]

there are probably more important things right now than the menu being too fluid 🙂

[native mesa]

Keep in mind Robert that dedither effects framerate

so it could be as simple as that with the sky background in the menu

[wanton sun]

i still have no idea why it would cost performance, so it will not on the core

[paper orchid]

Actually I wonder, dumb idea here lmao

[cerulean elk]

Sigh. Now I kinda want to try for a vid today lol

[vapid hawk]

the reporter isnt just accustomed to a pal OOT are they ?

[native mesa]

Well that's good news

[surreal summit]

I'm looking at real hardware vs MiSTer right now and yeah, it looks about twice as fast on the file select. But yeah, I agree this is low priority.

[wanton sun]

the VI has to fetch every line of the framebuffer anyway, so it already has all data for dedither, there is no need to refetch lines. So i don't know where the performance would drop

[cerulean elk]

Sigh. Well it’s before my 1 pm cutoff so I’ll see if I can’t get a vid done today 🙂

[native mesa]

It could be the hex edit that people do effects other processes?

[eternal island]

fairly confident. i only played oot on n64 real hardware for years but if soneone can test to make sure i'm all right looking like a fool if its fine lol

[wanton sun]

no need to hurry. There will be no update for a while. Will do VI next and there will not be any result in the next days

[cerulean elk]

Really I enjoy the challenge. Keeps me on my toes while film production is a dumpster fire of not happening 🤣

[mortal panther]

Good to know. Thank you very much for today's update @wanton sun

[cerulean elk]

Maybe I will. Maybe I won’t. But I’ll capture either way

[daring meteor]

Good luck, the core will surly end up VI-ctorius

[drowsy lantern]

Based on his prior estimations, watch him drop tomorrow: "Here, VI is done lolz"

[mortal panther]

"I fixed the menus. Now everything runs at 20 FPS. You're welcome." 😏

[eternal island]

"just finished VI and TLB"

[modern sleet]

Woo, GC collectors edition save for OOT works on the original OOT Rev 0

[wanton sun]

I don't understand all of the logic yet. Markun implemented it in my emulator and i have to understand it first. Then plan on how to implement before i can even work on it. So if i can start this weekend, it would be great already

[mellow path]

@wanton sun I've been looking forward to this update since basically Mario Kart started running. Thank you!! (This unblocks OOT randomizer, at least in theory).

[mortal panther]

Oh, that's interesting. I wasn't aware of the extent of his collaboration with you on your emulator.

[shrewd peak]

My MM rando save file got turned into oops all ocarina

Well worth it for the update though, awesome work

[native mesa]

I think LOD stuff is used pretty frequently in zeldas

[wanton sun]

i don't see why some of you lose savegames with core updates. i never lose any

[eternal island]

ill see if i can find someone to test on real n64 hardware in the menus

[shrewd peak]

Ive had weird things happen from trying out new test builds

one of them broke analog out, but then a clean install fixed it

[wanton sun]

@surreal summit did already above: #1096015979055697940 message

seems it really should run at 30fps

[eternal island]

oh all right

👍

actually

i prefer it like this

but i figured i should mention issues regardless

lol

[modest helm]

The problem is for people who use MGL files. MGL files erase controller pak and EEProm 16 saves

[wanton sun]

but MM is flash

maybe it's also hit

[modest helm]

My Majora's Mask save file doesn't get deleted with MGL

[eternal island]

oh thats weird, i dont think the oot item menu is sped up

but mm is?

[cerulean elk]

changed my mind: current vid stays today at 4. Core update vid tomorrow. I really want to run this vid and I keep putting it off

[eternal island]

popping into mm to compare just to see if i'm going crazy

yeah, mm item menu is sped up, oot isn't, but both starting menus are sped up

[dense wagon]

Oh nice! im still waiting on the 128MB SDRAM lol otherwise id be feverishly playing OOT

[past mango]

Awesome, may have to fire up the OG OOT and listen to the Fire Temple chants

[dense wagon]

Also the wired controller that i have, that i said was a random No Name one, that maxes out at about 45degrees - is actually the Saffun wired controller (at least on the Amazon listing) so yeah makes me wonder if much changed about the analogue stick in the wifed one.

[past mango]

Dithering looking pretty on the PVM

[orchid nimbus]

a bit too much cropping - obs doesn't do it justice

[cerulean elk]

and capturing. Dithered Ocarina. So weird to see (on the core)

[zinc dew]

Turn on shadowmasks and filters for more Vaseline

[paper orchid]

Looking at the dithering a bit closer on my PVM (N64) vs. the LCD (MiSTer) I can see some of the dither patterning in the original N64 image in the one thing I'm checking (S&P's training area), so I take back my comment about it looking just "OK"

[orchid nimbus]

I asked the core to bend over too

[calm anvil]

But there will be another core update tomorrow after this one

[silent marten]

Robert has said there won't be as he is going to research and implement the VI stuff

[cerulean elk]

lol he said a few days. Holding him to it

[calm anvil]

I mean he said he didn't expect to get a game booting by xmas

[cerulean elk]

I like tonights video more anyway. N64 at 4 CST is still a thing

[calm anvil]

He underestimates his own power

[cerulean elk]

All the timings are a gamble but I can sell it tomorrow. I dont feel like rushing today

was up at 5 am with Pepsiman

[eternal island]

should the menu slow downs be thrown on the error reports on github or does that matter right now

[zinc dew]

Yes don’t rush

[eternal island]

menu speed ups*

[zinc dew]

No error reports on GitHub now

[calm anvil]

I'm messing with you btw

[cerulean elk]

ive got a more fun N64 video tonight anyway

[fair stump]

I've updated the sheet for ocarina of time to playable but if anyone wants to add specific notes feel free

[eternal island]

okok

[cerulean elk]

"from impossible to here: a look back at the N64 core"

more narrative focused fun

[zinc dew]

But it’s really considerate for you to ask and be willing to add it, thank you. Once Robert gives us the OK, we’ll let the channel know.

[eternal island]

yeah the really weird thing, oot menu is fine for items, but mm not

[orchid nimbus]

different version

different code

[eternal island]

they do share the same main menu speed up. wonder what the difference is

[cerulean elk]

interesting tidbit...Level select no face Mario 64 fails to load now

standard no face works fine

[surreal summit]

Quick sample of the OoT file select screen on original hardware.

[fair stump]

This is new I guess?

[manic basin]

So thankful for the dithering toggle. On CRT it looks AMAZING. On LCD not so much. And we get both!!

[orchid nimbus]

maybe 24bit too? 😄

[silent marten]

Yes but it won't go in game yet

[fair stump]

Freezes before gameplay

[fair stump]

Didn't see that update on the sheet

[zenith orchid]

so now that standard OoT is bootable, that unlocks so many romhacks

[topaz otter]

Yeah andross killed millions in that game

[paper orchid]

Yeah, I noticed this earlier and when I was looking into why JFG wasn't booting before (yesterday) it looks like it's PI/RSP timing-related, something with DMAs?

There was a Github link I posted earlier from Ares, which exhibited same/similar issues

[manic basin]

Widescreen causes an instant corruption at the bottom of the screen for JFG. But yeah, no crash until the game starts, same gfx error as everyone else.

[paper orchid]

I did try multiplayer to see if I could get further, you can get into the menus but not into gameplay

[cunning mantle]

I've lost my save games for Ogre Battle and Cruis'n USA after todays Core update. I don't use MGL. So, something strange is going on here. edit: Resident Evil save still works though.

[paper orchid]

The player select is fine too, so there's some other area of 3D

[dreamy ridge]

holy smokes is vanilla OoT working? or just the boot hang is fixed?

[eternal island]

you want peak irritation, jump from the top area in the first dungeon in oot to break through the spider web, but hit the edge. you wont break it, and navi will spam HEY over and over

[cerulean elk]

working

just captured it

[dreamy ridge]

woooooooowwww

[cerulean elk]

ive checked OOT and Mario 64 for dithering. Onto Sin and Punishment now

if someone else wants to confirm Mario 64 level select hack is now no boot status lmk

[paper orchid]

@cerulean elk Are you just checking for dithering, or other things?

[dreamy ridge]

i'm stuck at work but it's gonna be a long afternoon knowing oot is up and running

[fair stump]

Has killer instinct stopped booting for anyone else?

[hollow rune]

Booted for me

[fair stump]

Today's core?

[paper orchid]

I was just in S&P, dithering is present though it looks a little "off" without that extra vaseline

You go from "color banding" to "dithered banding but less"

[hollow rune]

Yes

Won't load into stage though

[weary palm]

Dithering looks fine if I turn on some horizontal blur, like gaussian 30 or something.

[paper orchid]

I haven't done a full playthrough in a while again, might be getting close enough that I can start my console-vs.-MiSTer comparison

[fair stump]

I was just getting pixel garbage, rebooted everything and it sorted itself out. Thanks for checking 👍

[cerulean elk]

pretty much

I prefer this one without dithering

[paper orchid]

Keep in mind that training is very much "not in motion", I feel like the game will look a lot better in-motion

Just a reason to implement that Vaseline Inducer (VI) blur

[hollow rune]

Are there graphical glitches on OoT or is it near perfect?

Looks amazing 9ver here

[silent marten]

Looks fine to me I am at the end of the deku tree right now, about to fight Gohma

[quick arch]

Zelda OOT hacks also work

[eternal island]

im working on getting to the end of the tree, but i'm a bit held back by work. can only play when i'm free

most time is spent in pause menu

lol

[silent marten]

No damage Gohma fight 🙂

[rich delta]

Id never heard of the master quest before this core - was it an official Nintendo version or a fan made affair?

[cerulean elk]

can you recommend me some to capture?

I know nothing of the fan hack scene

[zinc dew]

Official Nintendo release through the GameCube collection

[chilly ember]

Some oot hacks were booting before but things like starfox survival were doing the hang

[hollow rune]

I've never seen oot look this good

[quick arch]

I didn't play them

[cerulean elk]

well if anyone can recommend me some good OOT fan hacks lmk

[junior yarrow]

The missing link and Sealed Palace too

[native mesa]

I recommend the Patcher 64+

[zinc dew]

What if it’s a good Banjo Kazooie fan hack that’s like OoT?

[native mesa]

https://github.com/Admentus64/Patcher64Plus-Tool

[quick arch]

Great !

[native mesa]

Make any 'randomizer' changes you want to OOT

[devout leaf]

Oh yeah!

[cerulean elk]

yes

all good fan hacks I want to know about

[native mesa]

Someone posted that Ura zelda here earlier

[zinc dew]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6398/

Works on the core!

[hexed knot]

^ Pretty difficult hack, only for people with plenty of platforming patience.

[chilly ember]

Starfox survival is an interesting oot hack, but it's not a story hack, it's like a horde mode.

[manic basin]

Star Fox has a much less pronounced stutter on the narrator saying 'Cornaria' at the beginning. Small, but neat!

[devout leaf]

Less platforming difficulty and more hiding things from my experience

[eternal island]

Tree down

[viral swift]

New Tetris looks odd on a CRT 😅

[eternal island]

Now to listen to the tree talk for 5 years

[stuck summit]

Dithering is in!! That's awesome

Can we just kind of simulate the extra vaseline filter with GS filters? lol

[eternal island]

i'm so glad nintendo wasn't sadistic enough to make the tree like the owl

[dull flume]

can't get OoT to boot on today's YC Core for some reason :/

[devout leaf]

Blessed by the rando gods. Three heart pieces in the first house lol.

[silent marten]

Odd have you spoke to MikeS about this

[quick arch]

@cerulean elk this one is the disk on the title screen seems interesting
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5816/

[cerulean elk]

thanks @zinc dew and @quick arch

[junior yarrow]

I can't promise it'll always work but if you're gonna play a romhack that isn't in the database loading up the original game will keep the settings from that game still going into the next game you load

[devout leaf]

I’ll stop spamming but I’m so excited to play this on Mister finally. Gonna be an interesting run.

[hollow rune]

Black splotches are all gone

[desert crow]

the dpad swap thing works with snac too in that build.

[modern sleet]

Been playing it fine here

[dull flume]

oh cool! must be some problem on my end, i'll try some troubleshooting

[stuck summit]

So much better now!

[modern sleet]

I've tried on 2 of my misters, R0, R2, make sure you have the 0925 version and the txt file in the rom directory

[cerulean elk]

fun stuff. To the editing cave Batman!

[native mesa]

It's certainly a tradeoff

[hollow rune]

Besides a couple flickering elements on Pilotwings title screen it is seemingly perfect

[stuck summit]

Not on a CRT or Scanline+shadowmask 🙂

[native mesa]

My CRT must be too crisp then

I could probably mess with sharpness I guess

[stuck summit]

Well I'm using a filter so I can use the GS filtering options to blur things a bit, it certainly helps a lot

since the VI blur isn't in yet

[manic basin]

Yeah, this definitely pops with a filter. Raw pixels, not so much (for my taste, ymmv). But CRT and masks? Nice stuff.

[stuck summit]

even then there's still some visible dithering, so we'll have to wait for VI to get the full look. But it's gonna look so nice.

[quaint pewter]

The Banjo OOT cross over is Jiggies of Time. https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6398/

[manic basin]

You said crossing the streams was bad, Egon...

[hexed knot]

There's MM and WW Kurko romhacks as well. "Gruntilda's Mask" and "The Bear Waker" if I recall correctly.

They worked last I checked.

[weary palm]

Do-Ray-Egon

[quaint pewter]

He going... he going.... Egon

[weary beacon]

Playing here too without problems in MikeS core, very thanks for the quick release MikeS!

[weary palm]

Everybodys' favorite Mirror House Popcorn works fine now.

[plush summit]

Dawn and Dusk (~2 Hours)
The Missing Link (~2 Hours)
The Sealed Palace (apparently around 20-30 Hours)

[languid dune]

This happens on original hardware as well. Multiplayer Mario Kart 64 makes all kinds of frame rate/speed changes depending on the number of players and the tracks played on.

[hollow rune]

Black splotches still appear on Banjo Kazooie for me. Can someone else verify. I don't know why is disappeared from Smash but not BK

[stuck summit]

IIRC Banjo Kazooie doesn't use dithering that much. So it probably needs VI blur to get the colors to look right

at least I remember patching the ROM on my N64 and noticing no difference

[hollow rune]

Thank you for this

[stuck summit]

np 🙂

[junior yarrow]

Pokemon Stadium (jp) does mostly work from what i can tell, but its title screen doesn't appear for whatever reason

just a dark void telling you to press start

[dreamy ridge]

hooo wee! i was just noticing those wavy texture effects the other night wondering what they were

[native mesa]

Why wouldn't Link have a Hylian shield in MM

He has the Kokiri sword

[surreal summit]

Speaking of Randomizers, has anyone got SM64 Randomizer running? I would imagine it would require a separate no face patch since I think the face screen is still there.

[past mango]

Gonna be my #1 use case for the core

[eternal island]

minor graphic glitches here and there in oot but nothing major

the boxes you move sometimes slice in half and vanish for a second too lol

thats hard to catch in ss

still playing gc edition. didnt wanna see opening agai

n

[daring meteor]

You can change your save name and it'll work

[modern sleet]

copy the save

Worked for me

[surreal summit]

Always thought it was a custom lighter weight shield, since child Link can't use the Hylian Shield except for turtle mode.

[viral swift]

Looks nice with dithering on a CRT

[eternal island]

oh i see. ill swap versions in a moment

[mortal flare]

Thanks. Interesting that it speeds up for two player rather than slows down.

[carmine kettle]

where @zinc dew he gotta pin this

[eternal island]

might do a comparison to nso oot

[languid dune]

I think it's more that it's skipping frames, which makes it feel faster. Or it actually runs faster by skipping frames.

[quaint pewter]

I imagine it's an aspect-ratio thing? once you get to 3 and 4 it goes back to 4:3....

[compact lark]

Yessss love the N64 Dithering. That's a feature that wasn't implemented in any N64 emulator until the 2010s.

Gimme the VI. Others hate the blur, but I love the blur.

A game with very obvious dithering is star fox 64.

[mortal flare]

That makes sense. Thanks

[dense wagon]

yeah also love the Dithering, make things feel closer 😄 also amazing to see vanilla OOT running... even on my 32MB SD ram stick... i just thought - i can lower the system memory to 4MB to see if i can get into the goron city haha

[quick arch]

For Jet Force Gemini it starts without cracked rom but Banjo Tooie we still needs cracked rom

maybe some piracy differences between two games

[viral swift]

DKR PAL crashed

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, I use blur and scanlines in the video processing menu, to compensate for the lack of AA. can't wait to see how it looks with the dither

[quaint pewter]

Random (seeming) crashes in Glover made me sad. I know it's not a popular game but it's one of the ones I had back in the N64 days first time around. It's certainly looking a heck of a lot better now though.

Nice nostalgia hit doing the tutorial level though before it went crunch and died in 1-1

[rich delta]

Ah right fantastic! Kind of an extension of OoT then. They should have done this more - I suppose it's a quality thing though.

[native mesa]

Is that where the sword usually is? Fun

[mossy needle]

Does Tooie still have the jail bars?

[quick arch]

yes

[cerulean elk]

and rendering. saving for tomorrow but still proud of the turn around 🙂

dithering will make a fun topic

[devout leaf]

That’s normally 50 Rupees.

If I remember correctly

Deku Scrub sold me 50 Rupees for 10 though so that was nice of him.

[eternal island]

wonder when they'll update the mister faq n64 question

[zinc dew]

Thanks, updated pins to point to that post.

[eternal island]

that says its likely never to happen

[mellow path]

Has anyone tried OOT+MM rando, super curious

That could very well be my forever game on MiSTer

[hollow rune]

Just played some Donkey Kong 64 and my friend Molly was stoked.

She got all dressed up

[zinc dew]

It was resuscitated from their failed 64DD Zelda plans so they didn't create it for that collection.

[quaint pewter]

[extreme close-up

probably only way to show things going forward as it will be more and more subtle on video esp after compression.

[cerulean elk]

I was able to find some good examples

but yes at some point its less about showing and more about telling

uploading now for tomorrow at 4

[vapid moat]

Ohhh YEAHH, can't wait for this one!

About time we got the BLUR in~

[quaint pewter]

My eyes have built in blur now. 😭

[cerulean elk]

today's video will be extra fun

just because its totally different

[cerulean elk]

so if Donkey Kong is canonically a full sized ape...that means that bear is what? Near to baby Godzilla sized?

wouldn't want to meet that sized bear on a dark night in the woods lol

[viral swift]

Btw don't panic about the dithering stuff ... when the VI is fully implemented, everything will look fantastic if you enable "de blur" ... just look at the UltraHDMI and N64 Advanced modded consoles. De-Blur is the single most important antidote against the Vaseline 64 look. 😁👌🏻

[tulip coral]

Just like to say, really enjoy your videos 🙂

[cerulean elk]

aww thanks 🙂

[mellow path]

What exactly is "de blur"?

[hollow rune]

That is actually Molly's beloved Donkey Kong doll, otherwise that's a big N64 controller.

[cerulean elk]

well I mean how else does a giant bear play N64 without a giant controller

I think you are just hiding the fact you have a 20' tall bear

[viral swift]

You can toggle the blur effect on the SDK level

[weary beacon]

can someone tell me the crc32 or sha1 for the ntsc and pal pif files?

[native mesa]

N64 renders 320 pixel width but outputs 640. Between each rendered pixel it averages them making it appear blurry. Deblur is a technique to regain the original 320pixel render since no color information is lost giving a crisper image

Keep in mind that's only the top level 'blur' there are other things that make the image appear blurry namely the dedither filter

[viral swift]

Too technical for most ppl, I guess 😅

The dithering is looking rough at the moment but it will get smoothed out, when Mr. Pipe impl. the VI

[weary palm]

But then well get dither again

[viral swift]

Barely noticeable compared to now

I'm sitting right now in front of my real N64

[weary palm]

Maybe I misunderstand how deblur works.

[quasi storm]

I love how the dithering completely changes the lense flare effect in the intro of starfox 64

[orchid nimbus]

this core is done

[native mesa]

Do you have a line doubler or something? How you playing it on that

[orchid nimbus]

ready for release

it's not even xmas

[viral swift]

It's a N64 Advanced... UltraHDMI for VGA monitors to be very unprecise

[weary palm]

The sha1's are found here https://vampier.net/N64/

Dithering also affects how the dust clouds look behind Epona in the intro to OoT.

[cerulean elk]

4 pm...vid is loose (links just in share media now)

[brisk drum]

Dat dither pattern YALL

[surreal summit]

It's good.

[inner bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/lunk-cyanideandhappiness-smile-weird-wtf-gif-9189490

Lunk happy

[woeful beacon]

hi everyone

I got my NSO N64 Controller in the mail

I have no effin clue how to make MiSTer recognize it wired

any help would be appreciated ( usually I plug in a controller and it works )

[weary beacon]

F11 for Bluetooth setup. @woeful beacon

[woeful beacon]

no bluetooth please

want to use it wired

[timid torrent]

It just worked for me

[cerulean elk]

what are you doing here? get back to Shmups discord!

lol

[timid torrent]

You might need mister unstable for the analog range fixes though

[woeful beacon]

@cerulean elk you're right what am I doin

[languid dune]

Everyone does! ...Except for Robby, who always down votes his videos.

[woeful beacon]

so maybe its cuz I have the stable core

[cerulean elk]

lucky I dont get a posse with pitchforks and torches

[woeful beacon]

they would eat me alive

(for not clearing recca yesterday)

doesnt vampier's thing update it to unstable?

[cerulean elk]

nah @woeful beacon is good people

[woeful beacon]

I can try to use that thing

or I can manually grab the unstable, no issue

[timid torrent]

I used the older build in the test builds channel

[woeful beacon]

dont love the sound of that

[timid torrent]

Fixes look like they were merged yesterday, so they might not be in unstable yet

[weary beacon]

Are Lodgenet Roms still useful?

[woeful beacon]

fixes aside, it doesnt work at all

its completely not recognized so that is my first priority I suppose

[silent marten]

@cerulean elk preview #lost count hahaha

[woeful beacon]

or I can just be patient 🙂

[cerulean elk]

glad someone noticed

cause I did 🤣

[timid torrent]

Fwiw people were saying latency is better over Bluetooth…

[woeful beacon]

wonder if that could be something that is on the driver side?

[cerulean elk]

id go bluetooth first. Make sure its not DOA

[woeful beacon]

oh its not DOA, I have it workin on switch

[silent marten]

I always notice these things 🙂

[woeful beacon]

did about half of gradius arcade (surprisingly responsive DPAD!)

it didnt seem to have any inputlag on switch wirelessly

well, I had it plugged in

no idea if the switch was using wifi signals or wired

[silent marten]

So far preview #save me is probably my favourite one hahaha

[cerulean elk]

I will keep making jokes in there...stay tuned

[timid torrent]

You might need to hard power off the switch, there is some issue where it overtakes the pro controller if it is on

Not sure if you are in range

[cerulean elk]

100% this. I had that problem some months ago

[silent marten]

You keep making them and I will keep on laughing bro

[woeful beacon]

it is in range yeah, let me hardpower it off thank you @timid torrent ~!

[cerulean elk]

@woeful beacon he is right. Turn your switch off and move it across the house

[woeful beacon]

this is gonna be a dick and a half down the road isnt it

okay switch is officially dead I threw it off a nearby cliff

bye oled

[timid torrent]

If you unpair from the switch I think it is ok but it seems to use some non-standard pairing mechanism which is super quick to take over

[woeful beacon]

so uh yeah didnt work but let me unpair it somehow

[quaint pewter]

Wave Race is now fluid... {badum tish} 🙂

[woeful beacon]

how does one even do that

[cerulean elk]

hope you are a dad with those kinda jokes

[quaint pewter]

It's you in the video 🙂

[languid dune]

I enjoy me some moist Wave Race 64.

[timid torrent]

I think it might be the pair button on the front held down, but I’m not sure

This might be a dumb question, but are you using the official cable? Some usb cables don’t have data lines

[quaint pewter]

https://youtu.be/_CWXaumdVYM?si=OkoXWwMF1KNbLw4h&t=352

[woeful beacon]

wow its gonna fuckin unpair ALL OF MY CONTROLLERS

amazing

im doing it from the menu

[mellow path]

And this will be an option for the core?

[woeful beacon]

yes using the cord it came iwth @timid torrent

[zenith orchid]

oof, no longer able to go ingame on THPS3

[timid torrent]

Another dumb question, you are using a USB port on the mister and not the SNAC port, yes?

[woeful beacon]

yes

regular usb port

[timid torrent]

#test-builds message

[woeful beacon]

didnt work btw

[timid torrent]

I would try this

[cerulean elk]

did you try binding it in main MiSTer OS first?

[woeful beacon]

thats what doesnt work

[cerulean elk]

ahh ok. Just making sure

[woeful beacon]

yep no way

where do I put that file @timid torrent

im pretty sure im running the latest stable cor not unstable

should I try that

ah found it in linux

gonna backup my other one and try it

WORKED @timid torrent

MY BOI

[old iris]

gentlemen and ladies, please tell me which games were affected by the latest update?

[woeful beacon]

this is what worked

although oddly downloader did not bring in today's core yet so gonna grab that manually

[timid torrent]

great

yeah i think the changes will be in unstable very soon, but it only just got merged

[stuck summit]

Can anyone here with N64 controllers let me know if yours also squeak when you press on the handles a bit too much?

I have two and they both do that

[zenith orchid]

that is odd, that's how I got mine

[timid torrent]

mine does a little if you flex one of the "trident spikes" in the opposite direction to another one

[stuck summit]

Yeah, exactly

lol

[chilly ember]

Its a feature

[stuck summit]

guess it's normal

[chilly ember]

All mine have a little sqeakage

[stuck summit]

I had a pretty clean one that squeaked, and a dirty pad that didn't. I cleaned the dirty one and now it squeaks too :^)

[timid torrent]

counterfeit protection

you can check for the squeaks

[stuck summit]

that's true, the bootleg ones don't do that lol

[chilly ember]

I feel like my atomic purple shell doesn't completely align on the middle prong, not sure if it's because it's warped with age, from a drop or what. It was like that before i put a 8bitdo kit in it and i imagine the controller had never been disassembled

[stuck summit]

I also cleaned my pad to use the 8bitdo analog stick on it. But since my other pad that's 100% OG squeaks too I guess the kit isn't at fault

[cold pollen]

Cause his face fucks up the core

[stuck summit]

maybe all the sticky dirt was keeping it tight lol

[chilly ember]

Gotta use glue to keep it solid. Lol jk don't do that

[stuck summit]

dude just use double sided tape inside, gg

damn, shouldn't have opened it lol

then again the buttons were all sticky from dirt. Had no choice

[zinc dew]

Play the patches Shindou version, rumble really adds a lot

[compact depot]

Do we have Vaseline Injection already?

[zinc dew]

We have portions of the Vaseline, but the full power of the Vaseline is yet to be unleashed

[magic girder]

Really feels like I need to get myself an N64 controller sooner rather than later at the rate this core is progressing 😅

[stuck summit]

It's not N64 if the image isn't dirty from dithering and smeared with vaseline

[woeful beacon]

my unscientific testing puts the N64 controller at 4 frames of input lag ROUND TRIP with Star Soldier 64 - including 10ms of my LCD

that is not too bad at all

I wonder what hardware is, I bet its not freakin that far from that tbh

[modern sleet]

Just to clarify with the title, Robert was the one who said it was impossible 😉 @cerulean elk

[stuck summit]

I still remember when people were theorizing we could get N64 through emulating the CPU on a raspberry pi while the GPU ran on FPGA, or something like that. And that it was the only way lol

[woeful beacon]

uh no why are you torquing your controller lol

oh is this for real ones lol nvm

[stuck summit]

yeah, I guess supposedly they squeak if you open them up

[zinc dew]

lol that’s awesome

[desert crow]

yeah for now that works, I forgot to mention you should be able to use virtual memory paks also with snac. but still no real ones

[woeful beacon]

weird are the filters no longer a thing?

I dont usually READ my downloader output

but its fine I prefer to grab stuff manually anyways usually

[safe robin]

From what I is remember I often had problems with the real memory packs not saving orders losing all saves. Never happened to me on the PS1 so I'm not sure if using original game packs will work well nowadays?

[stuck summit]

cpaks used batteries, so they're less reliable than PS1 MCs

[ocean lily]

@wanton sun it seems like since the 20230921 update, there's a lot of buggy textures in Top Gear Rally

[zenith orchid]

hm, I don't have any terms filtered that I know of, but I'll check my downloader output next chance I get

is Dr. Mario 64 listed as completable? Because I just beat it

[ocean lily]

given how some of the glitching seems to depend on camera angle and distance, i wonder if it may be something with the mipmaps/lod handling

[woeful beacon]

Don't worry too much and thank you

Also

Okay wave race was MUCH easier with this controller

[versed cairn]

it is not. go add it!

[ocean lily]

but Goemon's intro song plays without any audio glitches now, so that's good to hear

[compact depot]

He’s proven to be a big liar 🤥

Specially with his estimates

[modern sleet]

He's the inverse elon musk of estimates

[woeful beacon]

HOLY FUCK THE RUMBLE WORKS

sorry I'm late

okay im gonna leave now before I get kicked out for living under a rock

[zinc dew]

It’s ok, we love the excitement. No matter when you first try the core.

[woeful beacon]

its pretty sick

running through that first wall of glass in tony hawk and then boom rumble

what I didnt know is that Wave RAce 64 got re-released in japan with rumble?

need to try that version sometime

[stone pilot]

Mario 64, too

[woeful beacon]

wait mario works now...

[versed cairn]

one of the first games to work. need the no face patch though

skips the mario face

[woeful beacon]

I need to get my star soldier 1cc tho, the controls just feel so much better with this dpad, im impressed with the NSO controller tbh I'm not detecting any additional input lag at all tbh

so I'm waiting for the analysis, that or the core is really responsive

that or the N64 is somehow more responsive than I remember, I dont have onie and havent for years

[versed cairn]

if you're comparing to the switch emulation is a big difference

switch emulation is so laggy

[hollow badger]

I used my 5x to get line doubling out of the n64 core. Uploading pics for those interested

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew you ok? I am worried about you

[languid dune]

Dark Robby has returned.

[zinc dew]

I don’t get it

[cerulean elk]

sorry I didnt write it in Texas

"dangolmanItellyouwhatyouokmanIwasworriedaboutyoubutgladtoseeyouallgoodItellyouwhat"

I dont know why I imagine Boomhauer from King of the Hill when I imagine you talking @zinc dew but I do

[zinc dew]

I wish I did

[cerulean elk]

I hope someone really does

[chilly ember]

No dislike

[zinc dew]

Is the joke there’s no dislikes?

Ohhhhh

Whats that little red dot doing

[cerulean elk]

I dunno where that dot came from to be entirely honest

I was wondering that too

[chrome quest]

How far were people getting Jet Force Gemini to run?
(Past the main menus I guess. For a second I thought getting past the title card was new)

[paper orchid]

The two locks for JFG appear to be once you're "in-game". The opening cutscene causes a freeze, and multiplayer also freezes

I posted this Github link earlier but Ares had similar issues in...JFG and Mickey Speedway USA: https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares/issues/129

I don't know if anyone tested Mickey's Speedway USA yet

When Ares fixed it on their end they had a fix that worked for Mickey's Speedway, but not for JFG, then they had a regression before they got to the root cause (related to PI DMA and RSP pipeline stalls)

[chrome quest]

Wondering if this screen was shared yet? Might be useful for Robert?
@wanton sun Hopefully a useful in game screen from "Jet Force Gemini (Europe) (En,Fr,De,Es).z64"
That is the screen you get on reset after making a new save file and attempting to load it.

Crash timing for a continue on existing save is inconsistent.
Below after some animation played: "SP CRASHED gfx=802465a0 Version 0.9"
Also on file selection BLACK screen crash with no animation: "SP CRASHED gfx=80245a18 Version 0.9"

[paper orchid]

Oh that's...a lot further than I got

Mine crashed on the meteor that shows right in the intro cutscene

(I did the kiosk ROM and a non-patched retail US ROM)

[chrome quest]

Mine crashed at the meteor too, but when I went back in after a reset I got this screen as it seemed to load the fresh save file name I'd barely made.
PAL version too, but perhaps no difference there

[paper orchid]

Oh right, it'll skip the cutscene there won't it

So it gives you the character select it looks like at least?

[zinc dew]

Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 works now, not sure if anyone tested that game yet

[fair stump]

Is that on the test sheet? I don't recognize it

[chrome quest]

Japan only, looks like it was already tested playable on the N64_20230908 build

[zinc dew]

Oh ok

[zinc dew]

And today I learned what “slugging” was

[native mesa]

I slug my booty hole every day

[compact depot]

#TeamSlugging

[zinc dew]

oh

[elfin depot]

It's a real ad: https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/lifestyle/news-hilarious-comments-surface-online-vaseline-posts-slugging-ad-who-keyboard-vaseline-s-headquarters

[compact depot]

Oh, it can be used on donuts!

How’s the taste?

[elfin depot]

Some professional hot wing eaters use it before the competition so that they can eat more hot wings without burning the inside of their mouth.

[compact depot]

It might help with the exit too

[native mesa]

@cerulean elk You have a lot of clips, how do you find them? Do you have metadata with them or like.. what's your system

[compact depot]

I foresee N64 core Vaseline Edition this Friday

[cerulean elk]

basic. Just folders

month, core rev, etc

[worldly quartz]

so are people split with dithering on n64 here like on psx?

[native mesa]

yeas

[chrome quest]

Attract mode going strong. No response to the controller at all unless I put Data Cache Off

[paper orchid]

shake shake

[brisk drum]

Space station Silicon Valley now shows everything

[zinc dew]

Yeah, it got fixed a few builds back, it’s great

[tepid gorge]

I still can’t believe I’m playing N64 on the same MiSTer I got with just NES and GBA in mind at the time

[chrome quest]

Paper Mario intro gets a few seconds further in. Not sure since when Bowser becomes visible.

Also odd difference was PAL menus weren't showing correctly, all good now

[zinc dew]

Does the Expansion Pak actually change game resolution on the core?

[cerulean elk]

Gunfight outside. If a stray comes in my window with my dying breath I say…Brian 64 sucks!

(But for real. Shootout)

[peak needle]

this might be too niche of a feature request for the core, but:
it'd be really nice if you could swap control sticks without redoing your whole controller config

[marble cargo]

Only for specific games, like original hardware.

[peak needle]

for sin and punishment, it makes a lot of sense to have looking on the right stick, but for basically every other game, the stick is used for movement, so the left stick makes sense there

[zealous hull]

Would a kind hacker be willing to make a no-face patch for Mario 64?

...

Not for the intro. I want somebody to patch out Mario's in-game face. ; )

[peak needle]

and redoing the controller config is really annoying, lol
i also saw that the Control stick <-> dpad switch was added in recently, so i figured i'd ask

although if you're able to do it with the key remap, i haven't figured out how

[fair stump]

You good? 👀

[cerulean elk]

I’m fine. It’s Chicago. It happens.

[zinc dew]

Sure, but for those specific games does the resolution actually change? I didn’t notice it on Rayman 2 for example.

[cerulean elk]

I just wanted to make a Brian joke. Someone did seem to catch one in the gut though. Ambulances are scraping him off the ground now

[zealous hull]

jesus

[cerulean elk]

We live in a nice neighborhood but you never know what people get up to. Up north / south of us it’s a tiny bit less nice

[zealous hull]

I live in Nashville, if you know where to avoid you're pretty much all good.

[zealous hull]

I wasn't even aware this happened on OG hardware. TIL.

Thanks, Robby!

[cerulean elk]

It creeps around here. They like to steal car parts around our neighborhood. Catalytic converters mostly. But some home invasion stuff too

[surreal summit]

Rayman 2 is different, it’s like an internal high resolution mode. Episode 1 Racer and Rogue Squadron are better examples. Also RE2 with the constant resolution changes that don’t happen if you turn the Expansion Pak off.

[cerulean elk]

My MiSTer is safe. Attack corgi. She barks if someone opens the building door 🤣

[brisk drum]

Damn bro :. Hope you strapped up

[lament escarp]

This is pretty much how Europeans imagjne the usa.

[zinc dew]

Ohhhhh, thank you.

I wonder if Hybrid Heaven is still a slideshow

[manic basin]

It was working really well (last I tried)

Body Harvest was a slide show.

[cerulean elk]

Good thing they don’t know the value of a MiSTer with the N64 core on it!

[zealous hull]

priceless

[zinc dew]

Oh I meant with High Resolution. It seems to perform better than real hardware?

[zealous hull]

Just wait until it gets Paper Mario.

MiSTers can essentially replace the gold standard from back in the day.

[manic basin]

I wish I could say I'd played it on real HW. But it was very playable last I touched it. That being said, I don't know if it respected 8MB back then, so it may have been in standard res.

[fair stump]

I imagine anyone stealing your stuff would grab camera gear because they had no idea of the real value of your arcade stuff 😆

[cerulean elk]

None of our valuable things they’d ever even notice were valuable

[zinc dew]

Yeah I have the game, played it quite a bit on real hardware years back. I’ll have to test again on it. I just remember it being awful with the letterbox option being a good compromise

[manic basin]

I was truly taken aback by how ambitious it was.

[zinc dew]

But wow yeah it changes the resolution

I’m really impressed by the core holy shut

[manic basin]

For me it doesn't detect the 8MB currently and only offers low on the core.

@zinc dew do you get options for high/highLB in core?

[worldly quartz]

man I was planning to start paper mario 64 on the switch today... I wonder if the n64 save of switch can be converted to mister once it works there

[lament escarp]

Finally the correct version of oot works. Also, I didn't think the dithering would improve the video so much.

[whole tulip]

Wrong channel to ask, but you're downloading just n64_dev and such database doesn't have any of these filters. If you have a filter that can't be applied to any of the DBs you are downloading, it'll show that message.

[manic basin]

I'm a fool. They just LOOK greyed out. They work fine.

[surreal summit]

A look at how the output changes between low and high res in a few games. I think this will be changed a bit when the VI is finished.

[orchid nimbus]

Vertical interpolation ?

[surreal summit]

The blur

[orchid nimbus]

Good band

Turned into the gorillas

[surreal summit]

https://n64.readthedocs.io/index.html#video-interface

[orchid nimbus]

I’m pulling your leg with lame dad jokes

[weary perch]

Snow Speeder confirmed completable

[orchid nimbus]

Thanks @weary perch

[worn delta]

What difference will we see when VI is implemented?

[orchid nimbus]

Vaseline screen

[trim seal]

So that's it - all the no-boots are TLB now.

For USA at least.

[worn delta]

Oh wow, that's really impressive if we are there already

Anyone itching to do some testing might want to run through the Prototypes and Homebrew, a lot of those haven't been looked at for a good while

[fair stump]

Marked it down on the test sheet 👍

This Hercules game is really a poor man's Zelda

[manic basin]

Portal still missing sound.

[trim seal]

Oh wait, WWF Warzone isn't explicitly listed as requiring TLB, so that's the outlier I guess, unless it's just not documented as such.

[hexed knot]

There's a few outliers on the list, but really not too many.

TLB will be quite a gold rush once implemented.

[worn delta]

Has anyone checked to see if all the TLB games are noted as such on the sheet?

[trim seal]

I checked, the only no-boots that don't explicitly mention TLB are Banjo Tooie and WWF Warzone.

[manic basin]

They are. Scroll right and you'll see the note.

[worn delta]

Thanks for checking. Anyone got a definitive list of the TLB games?

[manic basin]

They don't have a single column checkbox or anything.

[hexed knot]

Kasher identified a fair few that were TLB via P64, and that was on top of the games listed prior, so I'd guess the list is just everything that mentions it in the notes.
Might be good to update the FAQ I suppose.

[chilly ember]

Cool Starfox Survival is working. Kaze OOT rom hack

[hexed knot]

Non-definitive, here's a list of every USA game that mentions the need of TLB on our Spreadsheet:

All-Star Baseball 2000 (USA).z64
All-Star Baseball 2001 (USA).z64
All-Star Baseball 99 (USA).z64
Armorines - Project S.W.A.R.M. (USA).z64
BattleTanx - Global Assault (USA).z64
BattleTanx (USA).z64
Blast Corps (USA) (Rev 1).z64
Bomberman 64 - The Second Attack! (USA).z64
Bomberman 64 (USA).z64
Brunswick Circuit Pro Bowling (USA).z64
Castlevania - Legacy of Darkness (USA).z64
Castlevania (USA) (Rev 2).z64
Conker's Bad Fur Day (USA).z64
ECW Hardcore Revolution (USA).z64
FIFA Soccer 64 (USA) (En,Fr,De).z64
Gauntlet Legends (USA).z64
Goemon's Great Adventure (USA).z64
GoldenEye 007 (USA).z64
Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine (USA).z64
Jeremy McGrath Supercross 2000 (USA).z64
Killer Instinct Gold (USA) (Rev 2).z64
Mario Golf (USA).z64
Mario Tennis (USA).z64
Micro Machines 64 Turbo (USA).z64
Mischief Makers (USA) (Rev 1).z64
Monaco Grand Prix (USA).z64
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon (USA).z64
NBA Jam 2000 (USA).z64
NFL Blitz 2001 (USA).z64
NFL QB Club 2001 (USA).z64
NFL Quarterback Club 2000 (USA).z64
NFL Quarterback Club 99 (USA).z64
Paper Mario (USA).z64
Perfect Dark (USA) (Rev 1).z64
Re-Volt (USA).z64
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing - Round 2 (USA).z64
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing (USA).z64
Shadow Man (USA).z64
Star Wars Episode I - Battle for Naboo (USA).z64
Stunt Racer 64 (USA).z64
Transformers - Beast Wars Transmetals (USA).z64
Turok - Rage Wars (USA) (Rev 1).z64
Turok 2 - Seeds of Evil (USA) (Rev 1).z64
Turok 3 - Shadow of Oblivion (USA).z64
Twisted Edge - Extreme Snowboarding (USA).z64
WWF Attitude (USA).z64

Sorry for the giant message. Notable games, Banjo Tooie not listed (not listed as needing TLB), and FIFA Soccer 64, listed as Playable, but still requiring TLB.

[worn delta]

Be good to know if the others not booting use TLB or not, is it just Banjo Twoie and WWF Warzone in the USA?

[cold pollen]

Didn't Homer Simpson invent this

[quasi storm]

I wish I would have gotten to the NASCAR games. They both work fine, albeit with stretched menu graphics.

[zinc dew]

Battlezone

[chilly ember]

Finally got around to playing the last level of Kirby 64 that you need 100% of the shards for. Guess that can be marked as completable. Back to Twine for me

[hexed knot]

Hmm, I have Battlezone as Playable. Will recheck.

[zinc dew]

Ohhh, I am pleased to report I am wrong.

[surreal summit]

Kinda lame that there arn't any new enemies though. Someone should take the enemies from the Dinosaur Planet prototype and make him fight them. They could call it Adventures of Starfox or something.

[hexed knot]

Yeah black dogs r barkin

[zinc dew]

Interestingly it doesn’t recognize the rumble pak.

[woeful beacon]

Thanks!!! I just didn't know if that was related to n64 core not coming through downloader that's all

[chilly ember]

That would be good idea, i agree its a little weird seeing starfox fight enemies from zelda. Would love to to see a full fledged starfox oot rom hack with story

[hexed knot]

Rumble is working for me.

[zinc dew]

I hope it’s user error again

[dreamy ridge]

did the n64 version of star fox adventures ever leak or is that stuck in the rare valult for eternity

[zinc dew]

@hexed knot Yeah, odd. When I select arcade and it prompts me to insert the rumble pak. I switch to it in the core and the game doesn’t recognize it.

[viral portal]

I do believe there was a build of Dinosaur Planet that got out into the public

[surreal summit]

I was just making a lame joke.

[dreamy ridge]

oh baby, let me search for that. my face is blue over here waiting for the n64 build of resident evil 0 to leak. there was a ton of footage in magazines back in the day

[hexed knot]

If you switch to Rumble, then reset the rom, it should work.

[chilly ember]

Yea there is and it works on the core and there is a group making an effort to fix it with rom hacks but someone ran into a hang early on in the core

[viral portal]

I think it works on OG hardware on an Everdrive, but I didn't really read into it much.

[languid dune]

Hopefully you're still alive... 😬

[chilly ember]

Yea i know :p, i actually have a copy of that on gamecube somewhere. Never finished it tho 🙃

[surreal summit]

https://dinosaurpla.net/Main/

[chilly ember]

Yea it does, i tried it when it first was released to public on my everdrive before people started trying to fix it but been waiting until the bugs are ironed out

[zinc dew]

dinosaur planet is a psy op, game never existed

Some clever rom hackers just making stuff up

[viral portal]

I can't wait for people to release their fan rom fake news of Earthbound 64

[surreal summit]

As a certified Rare Ltd. fanboy back in the day I was strait up obsessed with that game. Kept refreshing the website hoping for info inbetween playing Banjo-Tooie.

[cerulean elk]

I’m dead

[fair stump]

Updated the test sheet 👍any specific issues I should add to the notes?

[stuck summit]

I remember following the game on magazines at the time and dreaming about it

[languid dune]

Damnit

[viral portal]

RIP in peace, buddy. I expect a video about this

[surreal summit]

The other prototype I'm desparate to see is the Eternal Darkness build for N64.

[chilly ember]

still waiting on twelve tails prototype to be released. Rare dev teasing us with a video of the intro recently

[languid dune]

Can I have your arcade boards?

[fair stump]

Passing up the corgi and cat and going straight for the arcade equipment

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/vqgEYE9bDks?si=J_XDm1PSuXsMtxKL

[stuck summit]

Rare is dead and I still haven't gotten over it

[zinc dew]

Damn they pulled a fast one on you

there was never a dinosaur planet

Fell for the oldest trick in the book

[stuck summit]

the real dinosaur planet was the friends we made along the way

[surreal summit]

Ex-Rare guys are pretty loose with the info, maybe we could scam one of them into releasing it. Any criminals in the UK on here?

I swear I'm not from the home office.

[chilly ember]

Nothing i noticed

[chilly ember]

Someone should convince Tim Stamper to let someone borrow it real quick :p

[stuck summit]

There's a discord channel for people working on patching up the Dinosaur Planet proto. Not sure what can be done, i.e a fully playable game eventually but they post updates relatively frequently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTR5krNWYpQ

[dreamy ridge]

game's beautiful

[zinc dew]

see rom hackers

[chilly ember]

I check the discord here and there, i hope they finish it

[zinc dew]

They made the whole thing up

[vapid hawk]

Duke Nukem - Zero Hour seems to be running quite well - played about an hour, no crashes.

[ripe cargo]

I will probably try to get thru some of the untested stuff tonight if I get the chance.

[worn delta]

Good man 🙂

[zinc dew]

How appropriate to play an hour

[vapid hawk]

lol

i've never played it before, it's got even more porn in it than duke3d

[jade bay]

What does TLB stand for

[vapid moat]

Dithering doesn't look too good apparently on my CRT, does it need the blur to make it more palatable?

[vapid hawk]

probably will help yeah

or use composite 😛

[vapid moat]

Also OOT booting has me now observe that music actually was 12% lower in pitch in PAL-mode

[chilly ember]

Use rf

[vapid moat]

My Finnish brain: just how I remember it

[zinc dew]

Wait what? On the N64?

[dreamy ridge]

translation lookaside buffer

[zinc dew]

Incorrect, please refer to this post for the meaning - #1096015979055697940 message

[vapid hawk]

Yeah lol

[stuck summit]

https://discordapp.com/channels/647909397477195803/1096015979055697940/1148654757733470340

[zinc dew]

ya got me lol

[cerulean elk]

I’ll point at my own corpse with cat pen

[ocean lily]

dither looks great with a CRT filter on

[fair stump]

Man, the drifting in Mickeys Speedway USA feels so much like MK8

[native mesa]

This screams to me like useless patreon update vid

[stuck summit]

no patreon attached to it

[compact depot]

So everything that is missing now is vaseline mode and TLB? Core will be complete before halloween geez!

[chilly ember]

TLB for Christmas would be the best christmas gift of all time

https://youtu.be/pFlcqWQVVuU?si=81PKVj8Mm3n2LZlS

[compact depot]

It will come way before xmas I’m sure

[stuck summit]

playable TLB game by christmas

[chilly ember]

Last christmas my nephews were playing goldeneye stretched over coaxial on a 70 inch or whatver lcd tv and i was hurting inside watching it so showing them goldeneye on mister over hdmi in the proper aspect ratio on this christmas would be gold

[fair stump]

The core is so good I'm always surprised when I run into a game like NBA Showtime where most of the game is just black

[surreal summit]

I'm playing Dinosaur Planet and there's nothing you can do about it @zinc dew

[native mesa]

And transfer pak

[prisma ivy]

The N64 was a mistake.
Just to clear, this is a joke

[vapid moat]

Makes me still wonder if we'll ever get to see possible GB Tower support in realtime on this core

[vapid hawk]

i think LOD is still outstanding too

[lone geyser]

Robert is gonna make a TLB core and not drop it til Dec 24 to spite us all

[dense chasm]

Think i'm gonna wait to update until later this week so I can save everyone the question of "so whats new now?!" Every 36 hours

[worn delta]

RTC also not implemented yet

[zinc dew]

[vapid moat]

What all games use RTC? Can't remember all outisde of Animal Crossing

[vapid hawk]

and i think video timings need to be refined, rob usually does that quite late

literally just AC afaik

[worn delta]

Just Animal Forest, there is one in the 64DD but I don't know what it is actually used for

[vapid moat]

Doshin the Giant?

[worn delta]

Does it make use of an RTC?

[vapid hawk]

even now it is quite amazing - remember when we only hoped maybe some hacked together core could barely run a specially compiled mario64 one day

[fair stump]

So if you've previously formatted a controller pak for saving it will just load, correct?

I hop through a lot of games to test and I'm never sure if I've previously set up my controller pak before

[vapid moat]

We must have entered quite a timeline

[vapid hawk]

its amazing that we have mario64 and oot/mm all fully playable already

[fair stump]

Don't know if anyone mentioned or noticed but the Ms Pac Man intro transparencies are looking all good now

[weary perch]

Excitebike 64 (USA) rev 1 confirmed completable

[hexed knot]

Has anyone attempted to run a SM64 romhack that requires the no face patch as well? Can you patch a patched file?

[vapid hawk]

there's a simple hexedit you can do on any rom i think

not sure about patching a patched file - maybe?

[worn delta]

Well Mario needs to be patched to get into play, also does it not still have random crashes or are those fixed now?

[vapid hawk]

random crashes on mario (and a lot of other games) all fixed

but yeah true it needs one tiny patch. even if it always did thats still incredible 😄

[worldly quartz]

does patched mario 64 save?

Mine doesn't seem to save

[vapid hawk]

it should

[worldly quartz]

anything needed? I did n64 update script and using lodgenet face patched.
other games save fine (like kirby 64)

[hexed knot]

I may just wait until the fix for SM64, it doesn't seem like it's that far away anyway.

[fair stump]

Updated the test sheet 👍any specific issues that I should put in the notes?

[weary perch]

Hi Res mode will crash the game. By default, replays will use Hi Res mode unless you run 4MB RAM

[worn delta]

If people are testing and completing games, please request sheet access so you can log them as completed yourself and log any error code. Best practice that way

[vapid moat]

Just found out that apparently save files between OOT's revisions aren't compatible with each other? Damn

[vapid hawk]

can you update the RE2 entry please ? - i think it should be marked completable with the caveat that it may crash randomly - very rarely. still some visual bugs also

[hexed knot]

And please don't filter or sort the sheet. 😛

[fair stump]

Lots of completions lately, hadn't seen that any of them have been logged so I've been hopping on them for the time being

[chilly ember]

Which scenario did you finish? Leon or Claire?

[vapid hawk]

Leon A

[fair stump]

Anyone that needs sheet access can ping moondandy for it

[drowsy lantern]

Does Mario Kart 64 not use dithering at all? Turning it on or off makes no difference in that game.

[vapid hawk]

i think it was up to the games wether to use it and where

[vague sun]

Nice looking setup

[weary perch]

By the way, the NES Excitebike unlockable in the N64 game runs great and can actually save a custom track, unlike the US NES version 😮

[vapid hawk]

heh

[verbal cedar]

Did dithering make a graphical artifact in the sky of the OOT MQ version’s title screen or just me? It’s like a bunch of squares with a dithering pattern

Is it because dedither is not done?

(Asking not to complain but to help with debug to be clear)

[zinc dew]

I said I was sorry!

😭

[hexed knot]

Haha I didn't actually mean to direct that via reply, was directed at whomever gains access to the sheet.

[zinc dew]

I was half kidding lol

[vapid moat]

There's a SRAM-hack made for Excitebike these days fortunately

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2428/

[weary palm]

What about Micro Machines Turbo?

[hexed knot]

huh, not sure how I missed that one. Edited.

Ain't no Santa here.

[weary palm]

🙂

[marble cargo]

Unlocked T.T.

[dense chasm]

Oh man, that brings back memories (and pain)

[chilly ember]

Tony the Tiger?

[weary palm]

Never managed to do that. Maybe I did on the DS, don't remember...

TT is op

[vapid moat]

Actually I'm just starting to think trying to get the OOT's saves work/convert on MiSTer rn doesn't seem to get through for some reason (which I've managed to work for DK64 and like with renaming srm to sav)

I have save type on SRAM32k as intended but no dice - any ideas?

[deft tree]

nice, i got about 12 balloons and a couple bosses in the other night off my everdrive

[zinc dew]

Water world?

[manic basin]

Obviously you're not a golfer.

[zinc dew]

lol

[vapid moat]

Has importing of OOT-saves worked for anyone here before

[vapid hawk]

importing them from like an everdrive or something?

[vapid moat]

No, Retroarch

[vapid hawk]

can't hurt to try?

[vapid moat]

Generally I've been able to make most of my saves work from Retroarch via changing srm to sav (DK64 works + Mario 64 and more)

OOT's only one giving me difficult time, I can't just seem to make it read an imported save

[elfin depot]

Dry land is a myth!

[eternal ravine]

Thumbs up for retro lyfe, but not sure I can condone Waterworld

[latent dagger]

say wut? Waterworld is a banger movie

[vague sun]

Woah! A shmup portion in Kirby. Cool! I have not seen this before.

[manic basin]

What is the save size of the retroarch save? I think I remeber them being half the size of the eeprom saves for eeorom16 from the core.

[vapid moat]

290

OOT uses SRAM32

[manic basin]

Sorry, right

[chilly ember]

The only shmup you'll ever see in Kirby 😂

[vapid moat]

Are you sure?

[zealous hull]

I mean, there are--like--5 or 6 shmup sections in a variety of Kirby games.

[manic basin]

Is my phone lagging or is your user image changing?

[zealous hull]

Super Star, Dream Land 2, etc

[manic basin]

If so, that's cool.

[vapid moat]

I'm using custom icon on this server, could be tied to that

[manic basin]

Ah, must be.

I was like, "did nitro add a new feature?" Hehehe.

[zealous hull]

I've been away most of the day, has OoT been pretty stable for everybody? Was thinking about jumping in and starting a playthrough this week.

[chilly ember]

Ok maybe I was wrong 😅 I not well versed in previous Kirby games. Was there any after the N64 tho?

[vapid moat]

Planet Robobot, Star Allies

[zealous hull]

To be very fair to you, most of them are at the very end of the games. 🙂 I don't blame ya.

[vapid moat]

IDK about Forgotten Land cuz' haven't yet played it

[zinc dew]

Those aren’t Kirby games

[zealous hull]

Nope, no shooting, just driving.

[chilly ember]

Kirby 64 is the only Kirby for me

[zinc dew]

Only Kirby game is the golf one

[zealous hull]

Hahaha

[zinc dew]

I love Kirby lol

[latent dagger]

Best Kirby game is NID2 on GBA

[vapid moat]

Amazing Mirror?

[zealous hull]

I know it's gotten a lot of (fair) criticism lately, but Amazing Mirror is my personal favorite of the GBA games.

[zinc dew]

Real n64 got more yellow

How we get da yellow

[zealous hull]

But my favorite Kirby game on the N64 has got to be Crystal Shards!

[zinc dew]

My favorite Kirby game is smash bros

[trim seal]

Really looking forward to that one game working by the end of the year.

[zealous hull]

I hope it's Mario Kart!!

[trim seal]

We can but hope.

[vapid moat]

Still hoping it's Life of Brian 64

[rose elbow]

lol

[manic basin]

OoT for MiSTer is 32KB (big B) ... I wonder if RA is compressing it (assuming 290 is bytes, but I mayb e wrong there).

[north lagoon]

Will Mario 64 will Always required a patch to run on mister?

[chilly ember]

Not when tlb is implented

So no

[vapid moat]

32kb might be rom size

290 bytes is save size

[manic basin]

No, it's sav file.

[vapid moat]

Huuh

[manic basin]

That's what the core creates.

[vapid moat]

Okkiedoke, guess I have to save first from the core

[manic basin]

Looks like Mupen and Project64 saves for flash aren't compatible with RA either per some quick googs.

[pale granite]

I got into FPGAs thinking of C64 and Apple II 😅

[modern sleet]

Maybe Gamma? next up on the VI update?

[rose elbow]

N64 is at least 10 Letters better than C64

[chilly ember]

I got my mister when people still thought Ps1 was a dream but I believed! I didn't think N64 was gonna happen tho

[latent dagger]

not only have we got PS1, but we have Saturn too which is arguably way more complicated

[pale granite]

I had the attitude of "get it for what is supported now" so I've been a very hapolpy camper every year with new amazing cores

I didnt count on Neogeo even at first

[rose elbow]

i remember SNES creating a bit of discussion aha

[pale granite]

whats the name or that Zelda 64 fan game that restores prototype levels?

[chilly ember]

Zelda 64

[pale granite]

oh

[latent dagger]

I got it for most all the consoles prior to 6th gen for 240p/480i with accuracy and component without having to hunt down, invest into and mod the actual consoles themselves.
The fact that there's so many arcade cores is also a blessing

[rose elbow]

Space World experience https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6353/

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/Qu3NYQiCbAo?si=03AydKxBU3VxKk5N

[tepid gorge]

Yeah I got mine in late 2020 while I was waiting for both a Pocket and Nt Noir, thinking it would “just hold me over” until then

Little did I know

[rose elbow]

ohhh that's a different one :O

[tepid gorge]

I mean I’d always thought PS1 and N64 would be cool but I didn’t expect them to come to MiSTer, especially single SDRAM

[cerulean elk]

Held you over for a good long while I’d say

I got my MiSTer because I kept getting YT comments asking if I was gonna get one

[tepid gorge]

I didn’t plan to ditch it or anything when getting those devices, but I don’t think I realized how deep the support went and how updated it was being

[latent dagger]

Unlike how it was initially said things like PS1 were impossible, I really do feel like Dreamcast is actually impossible just due to the sheer amount of complexity to it.
The poor little DE10 just probably couldn't handle it at any playable level.
like, it's maybe possible to get the initial boot menu going at like 5fps but I just don't see actual emulation happening

[manic basin]

Yeah, you could maybe get enough of it stubbed out to get Sega Swirl at half an fps(though I think that might have been CE, so that's even more overhead...)

[cerulean elk]

Dreamcast is 100% beyond reach. If it runs were talking seconds per frame

[manic basin]

And most would be on HPS.

You'd be running an undperpowered rPi, crying. Your taxis? Sane.

[cerulean elk]

Best Sega console ever though. I stand by that

[chilly ember]

Last Sega console

[hearty oar]

there's really not a lot you would get out of Dreamcast on FPGA anyway though, the real hardware is so accessible and really easy to get an ODE for

[chilly ember]

I never had one but I got a japenese dreamcast that was safe for a Chinese gdemu and its pretty great, I got it after my mister so it hasn't gotten enough love

[hearty oar]

as well as being really easy to get great video from it with native support for VGA and RGB out of the box

[chilly ember]

Dreamcast hardware is so easy to mod, throw a new power supply in there, noctua mod, an ode and you're golden

[hearty oar]

I guess there's the controller fuse and RTC battery as well, but yeah, pretty easy stuff to do

[mellow path]

Not if you buy a V2 by mistake

[chilly ember]

That's the trick

[mellow path]

Which didn't happen to me, but it happened to my friend

[hearty oar]

you'd honestly have to be looking for one though, the vast majority of DCs out there are GDEmu compatible

or yeah just get really unlucky lol

[chilly ember]

I bought a broken gd rom drive japanese dreamcast that wasn't listed on whether it was a v2 or v1 and got lucky

[mortal panther]

Dunno. I get a lot out of the NES and SNES cores, and those consoles are really easy to get, too.

[eternal ravine]

I always thought DC was kind of like a continuation of N64 with the creative and odd games

[hearty oar]

yeah but it's very difficult to get good video out of those without extensive modding, unlike the Dreamcast

[mortal panther]

Fair enough

[manic basin]

OK, I made a retroarch save and it concatinates cpak and other things, which the core doesn't do. The flash save appears to be at offset 20800.

I'm going to try pulling it out just to see if it loads in the core.

[mellow path]

Dreamcast in my experience is a lot less fiddly than n64 emulation, and being able to easily crank the resolution in an emu puts it above fpga core in some respects, but I wouldn't say no to one.

[robust trout]

For DC, I go back and forth in my head between 'emulating on XSX' and 'pay to trick out my OG HW'. I already have an MS dev account and an XSX, and I also have a RetroAccess RGB cable

[ripe cargo]

I dont think the Lodgenet roms support saving.

[manic basin]

OK, that worked @vapid moat

I can share a little exe tool if you'd like.

That's my MiSTer, but the save was on RA.

[vapid moat]

Alright~

I was gonna explore doing the swap with hex editing but an exe tool is very welcome

[manic basin]

Literally just hacked together, so it's not robust at all.

[carmine kettle]

sharing is caring

[manic basin]

Just saves to the same directory as the srm file you open. I can flesh it out if it's something folks would use.

But it's literally just reading the file stream @ 0x20800 to 0x28800 and dumping it to a file.

[vapid moat]

Works perfectly, you're incredible

[manic basin]

Glad to hear it!

[rose crypt]

got my NSO controllers in, looking forward to messing with em

[dense chasm]

They feel very high quality, and the stick is great.

[rose crypt]

agree

my partner's gonna love it, she's the n64 freak of the household

[dense chasm]

I can definitely feel a bit of lag compared to the generic ones, but you get used to it.

[hearty oar]

yeah I made the mistake of trying my OEM on the reflex adaptor, pretty hard to go back to laggy NSO after that

...or at least it will be once I get some parts to fix up their crappy old, disintegrating sticks

[zealous hull]

I've had a Steel bowl for about 3 years now.

I have yet to be able to purchase a steel stick.

It's demoralizing.

[surreal summit]

Are those steel kits worth it? I always assumed that they would feel way off so I never invested.

Although I put silicone grease in my N64 sticks so I guess I shouldn't talk.

[chilly ember]

Classic

I'm happy with my 8bitdo kit. I'd rather not have to repair an oem N64 stick every time someone spins it in a circle more than 4 times

[rose crypt]

do I have to pair the NSO controller every boot?

[surreal summit]

But what if I want to be a cyborg? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_implant

[languid dune]

No. Just once.

[vapid moat]

Turok has HUD, didn't expect that

🥳

[lament escarp]

You won't have to repair the hall stick, but you'll have to re-pair the controller every time. 😄

[chilly ember]

Not in direct mode

[lament escarp]

But the rumble though!

[chilly ember]

Rumble smumble

[languid dune]

Rumble bumble

[lament escarp]

I think that's in since 2pass render

[hearty oar]

do you happen to be using a combined BT + wifi adaptor - some people seem to have trouble with that for this controller/driver

[rose crypt]

i do yeah

[hearty oar]

at the very least I don't have that issue on my setup, at worst if the controller didn't turn itself off it's one press of the sync button and then it figures itself out

[languid dune]

For me it connects just like it does on Switch. Simply tap any button on the controller and it connects in like 1 second on its own.

[lament escarp]

I'm honestly curious if there will be a fw update from 8bitdo or a working linux driver for mister first.

[chilly ember]

That would be tight, until then I'll take the reduced latency over rumble

Unless I'm playing buck bumble. Gotta have the rumble to truly bumble

[lament escarp]

Or to find secrets in oot!

[languid dune]

For games like OoT that run at only 20fps, it's hard to imagine any noticable latency anyway.

Now for something like F-Zero X? Yeah, it can be noticable.

[chilly ember]

You're hardly any noticeable latency

[hearty oar]

I definitely noticed while playing Smash at least

[languid dune]

No, you're hardly any noticable latency!

😤

[versed cairn]

Regardless it’s better then Nintendo’s n64 emulator. By a large amount

[languid dune]

Definitely a low bar.

[lament escarp]

Since friday, yes.

[versed cairn]

I could go make tea and come back before the game registers my inputs on the switch

[graceful radish]

Digital <> analog swap is working great. Thanks again @wanton sun!

[languid dune]

I mentioned it before, but when I play Pokemon Puzzle League on the NSO app, I often get the timing wrong for slipping the blocks into the empty space left by disappearing blocks before the ones above fall. But on the MiSTer core, I've been nailing the timing consistently.

[lament escarp]

I wonder what borks the intro in that game

[chilly ember]

That's awesome even though it looks awful to play

[versed cairn]

I did a playthrough on NSO app of OOT last month and aiming movement felt like a full second behind when I inputed

[graceful radish]

Really easy to play, just now while filming

[surreal summit]

I can finally play MK64 like it's MK8 🫡

[chilly ember]

Do super mario 64 next

[surreal summit]

DS mode

[rose crypt]

played sin and punishment to test the controller, this thing is really nice

also the dithering in the new update really clashed with my shadowmask, had to swap to a sharper one to make up for it lol

[hearty oar]

I wonder if AA will help with that?

[timid torrent]

I had this exact problem with NSO controllers. Changing to a bluetooth only adapter fixed it. But also keep in mind that it can take ~30sec after it finishes booting to start up the bluetooth adapter and reconnect to the controller

[bitter fjord]

that's where you are wrong, latency adds up, if anything it'll feel arguably worse

[timid torrent]

just be bad at games like me, then latency doesn't matter

[worldly quartz]

Does rumble work with the 8bitdo n64? I tried with starfox with pak 1 set to rumble and it doesn't vibrate

[hearty oar]

which mode? It should work in Switch mode, although the linux driver is not so great with pairing and initialising third-party controllers

[worldly quartz]

is there a mode?

I guess I'll try the other mode. I think it was on switch mode since I used it without issues on my switch last week

[hearty oar]

for Switch mode on MiSTer you would also need the unstable Linux kernel image, see the pinned posts

well to get rumble at least

[ebon oyster]

OMG this Retrobit Tribute 64 controller is lightyears better than the Brawler 64.

[chilly ember]

Is it the greatest controller or is it just a tribute?

Anyways I'm going to bed :p

[oblique remnant]

Why is that? The brawler has around 6ms of input lag which isnt that bad I guess?!

[ebon oyster]

The Brawler64's analog stick is very inaccurate and inconsistent in terms of both dead zone and symmetry, and its wireless reception is very weak and unreliable.

I like its d-pad and ergonomics better, but given that the primary job of a controller is to accurately control things, I'll take the Tribute 64 any day of the week.

[lament escarp]

Is that still being worked on?

[rose elbow]

i came to a similar conclusion when using the 2 controllers on og hardware. retrobit felt nicer even tho i still had my nitpicks on both

never got to try that hori which the retrobit seems "inspired" by

[hearty oar]

I’m not too sure what I can do, even if I had access to the hardware, which I still don’t unfortunately

[ebon oyster]

I'll never understand why any company bothers to make a product that utterly fails to perform its primary intended function correctly. What's the point?

But when a product fails at its purpose that badly, it doesn't make money. People contact support multiple times or just return the damn thing for a refund, either of which cost the company more than what it cost to produce it.

[hearty oar]

Eh, I think you’ll find that for a product like this most people aren’t going to be as discerning as people here, many will no doubt find their controller perfectly fit for purpose

[rose elbow]

some people really rate the Brawler64 also, its been rated highly here and recommended in past, theres youtube vids etc of people rating it highly etc.etc. not everyone hates on it

i just didn't like the feel LOL. hard to pinpoint

also the OG hardware retrobit controller that i have and enjoyed using a good bit. the joystick i think on that popped off pretty easily just from when i was moving it about in drawers. was easy enough to pop back into place, but the quality on that thing didn't seem totally 100% fullproof. but i still enjoyed using it compared to 2nd hand ebay controllers with dodgy joysticks

( mister core and not having to deal with n64 controllers compatabile with og hardware is now a blessing ... 🙏 )

[vapid hawk]

my main issues with the brawler were the analog stick, which is sloppy and has a weird smooth cap, the dpad, which is too flat and gives very little feedback, and the weird Z triggers that are for some reason analog style

oh and it has no rumble either iirc

no wait, i had the wired ones so rumble was fine you just plugged in a pak. scratch that

[rose elbow]

lol i think the smooth cap was my number 1 pet peeve, when referring to the feel

[vapid hawk]

but yeah i upgraded to the tribute64s and that solved basically all my problems

the wireless ones, specifically, which are a revised design with the dpad moved a bit further left

[rose elbow]

the L and R / Z on both sides layout did bug me a bit ultimately

[vapid hawk]

on the retrobit you can switch them

if you hold L/Z or R/Z on either side for five seconds they switch functions