Nintendo 64

[zenith orchid]

yeah that's true

what about banjo and dk64?

[wanton sun]

at least that is my experience here. My daughter played it, but gave up in the deku tree, dying to often and couldn't go anywhere else to improve, e.g. collect heartpieces

[zenith orchid]

oh, yeah..

[wanton sun]

Banjo is also great for easy entry. DK64..It's a bit slow with all the forced learning stuff. Mario64 and Banjo work without it. But well, it's just my opinion

[zenith orchid]

I think the link's awakening remaster would be a great intro to zelda games for her. and she would have a better idea how zelda games work, including stuff like heart pieces

[vapid hawk]

neat - episode 1 podracer is working, although something weirds going on with the video

[wanton sun]

she played a lot BOTW and TOTK, so it's hard to touch older Zeldas now anyway 🙂

[zenith orchid]

oh wow lol

then yeah she's probably not going to appreciate the original 3d zelda games.. maybe windwaker

[wanton sun]

the "real" 3D Zeldas at least look the same in the style. But the differences are clear fast...."Oh you found the sword"..."how many weapons exist in this game?"..."3"..."haha"...."but they don't break...well mostly!"

[rose elbow]

that deku shrub quiz is pretty much advanced algebra

[terse canyon]

i dont mind lttp but i find the games on other n64/gamecube hard to get into after totk/botw

[rose elbow]

"The order is... 2 3 1" they pretty much spell it out and tell you the order but i remember this confusing me as a kid and having to try different orders hahahaha

[hollow rune]

Did you see what I wrote about choosing Niiki on Dark Rift? That one freezes the same way each time. Not sure if that helps.

[hollow rune]

How old is your kid?

[wanton sun]

you probably haven't seen my response, all good. Yes i have seen it, thank you 🙂

[wanton sun]

they are 9 and 11

[hollow rune]

Yeah sorry, I will go look for it later. It was a busy day yesterda IRL. burritos were found and eaten.

[manic basin]

If we have the ability to drop monitors on our jtag chain or do any signal peeping, would that be helpful? I don't mind adding metrics and rebuilding at all while you get some sleep. But I don't know what might be interesting to capture and what would be noise.

My gut feeling is the noise is too high to be useful, but maybe there are some triggers at could set up that would get valuable data through normal testing.

I want to be helpful when you're away if it would in fact be helpful.

[wanton sun]

sorry, i don't understand that...JTAG? monitors? Do you mean signaltap captures?

[manic basin]

Yeah, sognal tap output....any debug tools or processes we can run if able.

Magic spells or crystals we can add to our setups to align them with the waxing aquarius ....

[wanton sun]

i doubt this would help much. Also it makes the fpga more full, causing longer build times and more timing slacks

[manic basin]

But yeah, if there's anything you think distrubuted help would benefit, call is In.if not useful, we're probably open to sites cleaning your house or doing your taxes.

A distributed multinode asymc compiler solution, taking small amounts of idle bandwidth to provide the project with extremely fast distributed builds. it'll only take 6 times longer to create than (checks notes) just figuring it out.

[wanton sun]

thank you! hopefully in some weeks reproducible error flags will be such a way. But currently there are still too many false positives

[vapid hawk]

rayman2 is such an impressive looking game

i don't think i ever played the n64 version before

the framerate can hit 60 at times too 😮

has a very modern feel to it too, very smooth controls and animations

[chrome quest]

@wanton sun Not sure if you know of this random crash, may not be RSP?
NBA Hangtime. Crashes on E080440 after some variable seconds in game.

All the other non playable non-TLB games I checked had issues getting past menus, booting at all, or don't crash but are visually unreadable

(Using Project64 to check TLB usage that is)

There may be more stealth TLB games too. Monoco had worked previously despite needing TLB for example. Now crashes

[inner bronze]

I had a nightmare that the core hit 91% usage too early

[wanton sun]

some games use the TLB but don't really require it. If you just route through the address and don't create exceptions for the TLB miss they might work. This is all random and not worth researching

i will not look at any bug that might be TLB related until the TLB is implemented

[daring meteor]

That is why me and then started reaserching all the non TLB games with problems haha

[wanton sun]

it might be useful for testers to not check games again and again until the tlb is there. For me it's much easier: to research a bug i have to create a savestate in most cases in my emulator and it will trigger a breakpoint when the tlb is needed -> i just skip the game and look at something else

[daring meteor]

We came up with a list of about 13 broken games

[vapid hawk]

games that wont start at all?

[daring meteor]

Which, the fact its only 13 is a testament to the cores quality

[daring meteor]

Games that are unplayable

Or heavy graphical glitches

[wanton sun]

i currently have a list of 14 unsorted issues that are more or less reproducible, so i'm well served 🙂

[vapid hawk]

i still can't believe i'm playing n64 games on mister tbh, its surreal seeing such 3d graphics come from a device i bought to play genesis games on

[daring meteor]

14, good, let's see if after those get fixed we get that 13 down to 0

[wanton sun]

i'm not yet following a big plan, just working on whatever i want to. If it seems difficult, i take a note and skip it. It made the progress very nice until here so i just keep that as long as it works

if the difficult stuff comes back when 80% of the games play well, that's fine

[daring meteor]

I will inform you 79% of games play well

[vapid hawk]

this strategy worked very well on psx

[wanton sun]

i wouldn't agree on the 79% as my expectations are different there

some games are on playable that i would not play in this state

mostly that's graphical glitches

[daring meteor]

Can you give an example?

[wanton sun]

one reason i still work most of the time on the RDP

e.g. starcraft

ingame is fine, but menus are horrible

[daring meteor]

Ah

[vapid hawk]

is that interlace rendering doing that to stuff?

i've seen a few menus with weirdness going on

[quick arch]

is N64 have a mouse to play starcraft or command and conquer ?

[vapid hawk]

there is one technically yeah

[quick arch]

Great ! maybe help the gameplay

[wanton sun]

the mouse is not really supported there, also has not enough buttons

[vapid hawk]

yeah i guess you were meant to use a pad in slot2 aswell or something?

the mouse barely even came out - i think japan only? so there's not many games that support it fully or at all

[daring meteor]

To me it looks similar to the Yoshi problem

[wanton sun]

i think it's interlaced mixed with 32bit mode

i will not touch it before the VI is fully implemented

current 32bit mode is broken

[remote hatch]

man , Wave Race is so much fun, love this game

[daring meteor]

Ah

[lament escarp]

I prefer the core by now to some software emulators for some games. I just can't believe how fast this got that good.

[hasty kayak]

For the games I regularly play, the Core is BETTER than Software Emulators (PJ64 etc).

With those, I always see an issue and the game just doesn't feel quite right.

The ISS Games now run pretty much perfectly (the odd graphical glitch with things going missing and coming back aside).

[weary beacon]

I played OoT today, nearly as good as original hardware! Audio is now perfect 👍

[hollow rune]

Trying to unlock everything in Smash right now

[hearty oar]

Have you tried a modern/up to date n64 emulator? Not to discount Robert’s efforts, but PJ64 is not at all representative of where n64 emulation is at now

Emulators like Ares and mupen64-plus with parallel rdp are fast and very accurate

[hasty kayak]

I have tried Mupen64 Plus as well and Parrallel

Both have issues with some of the games I play. Mainly graphical issues.

For example ISS 98 will have MASSIVE Dark Boxes under the players which is completely wrong.

[hearty oar]

That’s quite surprising, although yeah I guess I’ve only tried the arguably more mainstream games lol

It doesn’t look like Ares has that issue at least

[quaint pewter]

Are the bust-a-move games (and text in things like Tony Hawk) just an unimplemented 2d graphics mode?

[haughty oasis]

I always get a black screen after loading any game. Has anyone an idea what can cause that? Thx

[brisk edge]

I've had a hard time finding a lot of details but I have a feeling the mouse isn't really detected as anything but a regular controller and that the movement is just the same as moving the analog stick. iirc the mouse works with every game as much as it can

[hasty kayak]

Possibly your boot.rom file? (PIF)

[haughty oasis]

Tried my own version and the updater one

[vapid hawk]

you can read the source code of blueretro if you want, they implement the mouse

[strong nimbus]

Any wiki? Tribute64 wireless V1 and V2 need to be in xinput to rumble

For that start+b for 5d

5s

[hot spoke]

5 days might also work

[chrome quest]

Revised my notes on the list of TLB games.
Important note from Robert, test games regardless of what other emulators may think. Use case can vary, some games will boot and play despite apparent use

Had only hoped a list might be useful. Most important to enjoy how well the core is already working! Thank you Robert.
Time to play some Pokémon Stadium

[zinc dew]

We can be stricter about off-topic chatter here if y’all want us to. We didn’t give into the memes but it’s honestly just a balancing game:

• We want Robert to get what he needs from this chat.
• We want people to have fun contributing.
• We have a ton of new faces and we want them to feel welcome

The excitement from people here is palpable. This is the biggest chat on the Discord and to be frank this is one of the biggest periods of new users joining in quite a while. People love this core and want to be part of the celebration. Like I said it’s a balancing act. If we come down on too hard then that can cause friction and it affects the mood. If we let people go wild then this chat becomes chaotic and it starts to fail serving it’s main purpose. I don’t think leaning too hard in either direction is best for the community so the Mod team walks the line to serve both interests.

Sorry for the long winded explanation and as always reach out to “@moderation” if you need anything. Thank you.

[lilac scroll]

Just checking for updates daily as usual. Does it still look like we’re on track for one playable game by Xmas?

[zinc dew]

Possibly, but let’s not get our hopes up. Robert is human after all.

[compact depot]

@zinc dew for president 🇺🇸

[zinc dew]

What y’all need is what we have to do. So please reach out to us to make sure we do what’s right by the community.

[knotty zealot]

i asked for doom. we all saw how that went.

[zinc dew]

And I am sorry for people who feel like we aren’t being focused enough. I’ll try to be better about that moving forward. Even myself, I can improve and not contribute to that.

[daring meteor]

@moderaration

This doesn't work halp

[hearty oar]

Robby's secret plan to not have to deal with our shit, a "typo"

[daring meteor]

No its actually a Tipo

A Fiat Tipo

[tropic sand]

That address is actually correct... that goes to the cat moderators

[daring meteor]

Yes

[zinc dew]

fml

loool

[cerulean elk]

Im awake...what did I miss lol

Early morning Pepsiman feeding 😂

[zinc dew]

Please keep those photos in #pet-pictures

Also adorable cat 😻

[fallen sparrow]

Btw, the pinned "fully playable" has been removed. Any chance of getting that back?

The tracker is great, it just doesn't open great on mobile

[cerulean elk]

you arent my supervisor

[zinc dew]

I unpinned it because the number of fully playable games was simply too great to make that post a viable option for accuracy.

[fallen sparrow]

Gotcha

[daring meteor]

Top 10 longest lists

[cerulean elk]

6:38. Editing N64 lol

[kind solar]

He’s excited for the new core release though

[fallen sparrow]

Nice, 12:38pm here, just woke up here after night shift, and feel like a genuine crackhead 😀

Well I feel like you then

😂

[kind solar]

Sell your sdram to buy more crack you can still play megadrive

[fallen sparrow]

That's funny, I do that with family members

[marble cargo]

https://vxtwitter.com/saebaryo_xyz/status/1705448308553195690?t=x7gUp-zDyEm6-M0nG6KRKw&s=19

[cerulean elk]

what dis

[zinc dew]

Oh that’s cool, glad it’s working

[zinc dew]

Super Robot Wars 64

there’s like a billion of them

[marble cargo]

I think every console known to man and beast has had a Super Robot Wars game.

[zinc dew]

I hope someone in here is a big fan and is loving that game.

Also Korean MiSTer fans, awesome! ❤️🇰🇷

[marble cargo]

lol

[vapid hawk]

good tip - thanks! i thought the driver just didn't support it yet

[hearty oar]

I have played my fair share of SRW games, although not 64 yet

might be a good time to try it 😄

[hollow badger]

On the Vampier page:

"RDP Functions like LOD, RGBA correction, Anti-aliasing , dithering, dedither (and then some)"

This part should be updated, yes? The core supports anti-aliasing?

[vapid hawk]

no that isn't in yet

[marble cargo]

You know instead of baking the vaseline into the core itself, why not have a text file in the filter settings to mimic the anti-aliasing look.

[daring meteor]

I think LOD is updated

[hollow badger]

Texture filter, that's what I saw a video on. Not anti aliasing. My fault.

[hearty oar]

if it wasn't clear - texture filtering is when you sample multiple neighbouring texels (pixels of the texture) and get an average to smooth out the result, which fixes the blocky textures. Anti aliasing is techniques to try and smooth over the jagged pixels of polygon edges (the n64 "vasline" effect in this case)

[vapid hawk]

i really miss the dither/dedither and the gamma

[hearty oar]

I can't wait for AA, it doesn't look like an N64 game without it

[hot spoke]

Vaseline or squinting your eyes should do the job

[quasi storm]

I got here a bit late. Can anyone say what the same cycle access fix...fixed?

Harvest moon seemed stable when I last played it, so even more so is great! And now ogre battle will get past the Q logo?

Sweet! Ill have to try Glover again. It would crash randomly.

[zinc dew]

N64 Vaseline is critical

[quasi storm]

Ogrebattle 64 is a bonding game for my brother and I. It'll be great to play it again. I remember how much trouble emulators had with the graphics. Do they show up correctly ?

[cerulean elk]

and edited. Coffee, 8 AM video and voice over after

[real void]

Does the newer method of updating the core via downloader.ini pull down the database also? Or is it best to stick with Vampier's script?

[wanton sun]

yes, it also gets the most recent database

[real void]

Thanks so much (for everything!)

[quasi storm]

Hey, Robert! How was Mario party with the kids?

[wanton sun]

it's not my work, Zakk made everything

i just feed it with new builds

[hollow rune]

I am on my phone unfortunately so I can't see it, but is there something in the pins about controller setup for analog. Right now all my sticks stretch beyond the direction you'd expect on the controller test ROM and wrap back around. How do I adjust this?

[cerulean elk]

Disclaimer: Video Game Esoterica is not legally responsible for any and all bad lifestyle decisions based on games or hardware shown on the channel

[zinc dew]

It’s best to do the ini version as instructed in the pin.

[quasi storm]

In a specific Mister main

[cerulean elk]

Controller Info:

To adjust all controller’s analog stick ranges to match an original N64 controller, use this unstable MiSTer main - #1096015979055697940 message

If you’re using an NSO N64 controller, then also grab the latest unstable zImage_dtb kernal - #unstable-nightlies message

Use the controller test rom to check how closely your controller’s analog range matches an original N64 controller - #1096015979055697940 message

[real void]

Indeed. I've finally got a few mins to change over to this method today, so just thought I'd double check and ask before jumping in. Cheers

[cerulean elk]

There you go @hollow rune so you don’t need to hit pins

[quasi storm]

!

No more black!?

[wanton sun]

not many changes today, only a fixed texture mode. Could also hit other games if there are still some with black textures

[quasi storm]

But still no Yoshi's story, right? I heard that game was giving you trouble...

[wanton sun]

i have no idea what the issue with it is. It's not in the RDP

[daring meteor]

Robert confirmed for implementing features depending if they're used in MK64 or not

[cerulean elk]

I I prefer “club drugs” Yoshi. I’m showing that in the video today so don’t go fixing it lol

[wanton sun]

i guess with VI, Mario Kart should be complete?

[daring meteor]

Yeah

Thus, you have until Christmas to finish VI

I think probably a lot of games will be complete after you finish VI

[cerulean elk]

Hmm I should probably mention that in the vid then about Mario Kart

Or next one

[quasi storm]

You mentioned that you hope to have at least ONE game working before Christmas. Do you surprise even yourself sometimes?😆

[mild ether]

What kinda of drugs we talking here like ketamine?

[silent marten]

Test builds ❤️

[quasi storm]

(Sidesteps the Stampede)

[mild ether]

Never played it but somehow I associate ketamine with it. 😄

[quasi storm]

Don't you gaslight me, you S.O.B. 😆

[mild ether]

Sure hope we get that game from FPGA Santa.

[lament escarp]

Anybody made this into a real game?

[daring meteor]

Alternative Universe where Robert predicts the future

Wait no

It won't be Cycle accurate no matter what

The N64 itself isn't Cycle accurate because of the memory

[real void]

Don't worry, it's a Chrome developer tool joke. He didn't actually say that

I've nuked it now, in hindsight it might cause confusion and people annoying Robert!

[wanton sun]

often enough i'm sitting on the couch smiling about a game i love to run on the screen. Sometimes it seems strange this is working. I never expected to be at this state with the core. I expected A LOT of work for circumventing the CPU clock limit or ressource limit

[daring meteor]

Inb4 even TLB ends up just working

[wanton sun]

overall i only had to do some efforts with CPU instruction cache that was extra work in the CPU so far

[cerulean elk]

This is how I feel about all the rare arcade boards that need mods to run properly and play again; getting to see them on screen playable is the real fun. The actual playing is just a bonus

[wanton sun]

i don't even plan to do the original TLB, way to much ressource cost. I will do the "shortcut" version from the very start, assuming it will be unnoticed anyway

[hollow rune]

Once I have all that what do I do?

[daring meteor]

Yeah, that's what I meant, that the shortcut version ends up just working

[wanton sun]

will make it configurable to have the full size for future FPGAs, so no one can complain

[cerulean elk]

Nobody cares how the sausage gets made so long as the flavor is the same 🙂

I love comparing things in odd manners lol; if the games run as expected if it’s a bit of a bodge nobody will say “well it’s not EXACTLY how it was done”

[hollow rune]

I don't have the NSO controller just an 8bitdo one

[fair stump]

I think you just need the MiSTer main file from the top of that pin

I haven't used that yet though, I'm waiting for the public release

[hollow rune]

That I have

[cerulean elk]

That’s my fav part of film work and I’m sure @manic basin would confirm; we show you the impossible but directly off camera everything is bodged together and something might be on fire but to the viewer…it’s just magic

[hollow rune]

I would wait on the public release but games like Buck Bumble are too hard to control cause the stick is too sensitive

[marble cargo]

I think overestimating is better than underestimating, because it forces you to be cautious of the worst case scenario.

[mortal panther]

Wait... I don't want my MiSTer on fire!!! 👀 🤣

[cerulean elk]

underpromise and overdeliver is a working methodology and I think we are seeing it here lol

[cerulean elk]

haha

[daring meteor]

I just got the freakiest error ever on HSV Adventure racing

[mortal panther]

"What the hell?! Well... GoldenEye is running. I'm so conflicted..."

[real void]

So the new updater.ini method of updating, doesn't remove an existing/older core, correct?

[cerulean elk]

someone one day in comments will say "well AKCHUALLY TLB isnt 100% accurate" and I will tell them to eat my....well you know 🤣

[fair stump]

[cerulean elk]

people will complain about anything. I had complains when I released Castlevania: The Arcade because the mods to get controls werent one click. It actually took SOME work

[fair stump]

Nobody told me how catchy the yoshi story intro song is

[cerulean elk]

or the methodology to hook mouse input would throw a rare virus detection since it was also hooking keyboard inputs

[hollow rune]

Oh the analog adjustment is automatic! Got it!

[hollow rune]

My mom is always like "It's my babies" when it plays

[fair stump]

Reminds me of pikmin in a way

[real void]

Just want to make sure I've not done something wrong before I disconnect WinSCP etc. The new update method worked fine, core and database updated, but old core left in place. Is that normal?

[cerulean elk]

you dont need to remove the old cores no

[vagrant ivy]

just delete the old core

its pointless keeping them

[real void]

I'm a little OCD about the menu filling up with "N64" cores, so I presume it's best to manualyl delete it after updating?

[vagrant ivy]

yes just delete it

[real void]

Cool, cheers. Any way to do that from WITHIN the Mister interface at all

[vagrant ivy]

no

do it in winscp

[real void]

Grand, thanks again

[vagrant ivy]

just remove the core from the ~consoles directory

[cerulean elk]

if you want sure

[real void]

Cool, done. Thanks chaps

[hollow rune]

Honestly @fair stump the analog stick adjustment build makes a world of difference. It is worth not waiting on update_all. Makes Smash playable

[fair stump]

I'm on the fence because in the one nfl game I play the players literally stop moving once you exceed a joystick value the game recognizes 😅

[orchid nimbus]

Is Dr Mario fixed too?

[quick arch]

nope

[orchid nimbus]

Oh

[wanton sun]

not sure how many games use those 16/32bit palette modes. It's effectivly a waste of memory

[cerulean elk]

lol this response...I can hear the sadness in the characters

[orchid nimbus]

How many RDP modes does this thing have

Lol

[vagrant ivy]

you must go on a Quest 6 4 to find out

[orchid nimbus]

Dr Mario is perfectly playable

[cerulean elk]

68 and 1/2

[orchid nimbus]

[wanton sun]

texture modes: 4 color depth x 5 modes x 2 (direct or color lookup) = 40. At least half of them are not recommended/allowed/useful/...

[orchid nimbus]

But hey .. they are there lol

Weird platform the n64

[vagrant ivy]

so you can bet there is at least one game that relies on one of those modes

[orchid nimbus]

Seems like they made a console out of a tech demo

[wanton sun]

that's only texture. then there are 4 z-buffer modes, hundrets of possible combinations for color combining, tens of possible combinations for color blending, ....

[cerulean elk]

42,069 diff variables to manage

[orchid nimbus]

I like the zilog80

[wanton sun]

of course the game is not bound to one mode. You can change the mode for every polygon!

[orchid nimbus]

Lol

[fair stump]

Knowing nothing about the subject but is this a case where they went way overboard?

[daring meteor]

What would we not do without fog mode number 48382

[wanton sun]

and with two pass rendering, you can have 2 different modes for 1 polygon 🙂

[hollow rune]

I can't wait till the black splotches are gone

[daring meteor]

Honestly it makes sense

[orchid nimbus]

I can wait

[hollow rune]

I can too. I did sound like an impatient panda. All pizza comes when properly baked

[cerulean elk]

I miss him

[mortal panther]

Agreed! That's why I thought his initial timeframe estimates for having 1 working game on the system were perfectly valid at the time.
Then he apparently gets in there and realizes "Hmm, well this isn't so bad." 😄

[wanton sun]

hmm? what was that mario picture? current core?

[daring meteor]

No

[orchid nimbus]

No old

[daring meteor]

The core before you fixed the multiple eyes thing

[orchid nimbus]

Very old

[wanton sun]

don't shock me! haha

[daring meteor]

That bug will become a legend

[mortal panther]

I didn't see anything. Don't know what you're talking about... 😏

[orchid nimbus]

Ok here is it as a reminder lol

[mortal panther]

Good times...

[compact depot]

From random people telling us a N64 core wouldn’t b possible on the de10 to what we have today! What a journey! Thanks Robert!

[orchid nimbus]

“What a time to be alive” my wife said lol

[compact depot]

Robert does what nintendon’t 🤘

[mortal panther]

Apparently he does what Nintendid. 😉

[compact depot]

Nah! Nintendo can’t redo the N64 properly

Only Robert can 😌

[lament escarp]

Just don't tell anyone. If nobody notices, is it really important?

[orchid nimbus]

Nintendo was foggy about their emulation

Heheh

[compact depot]

Foggy -> Shitty?

[mortal panther]

I guess we now have a '1-chip' N64. 😏

[compact depot]

N64OAC

[cerulean elk]

I more like to tell people "does it matter"

[zinc dew]

What was wrong with Mario Kart?

[compact depot]

It seemed perfect already to me? 🤔

[cerulean elk]

its not Bomberman Hero

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s what I thought. This was from the build posted:

”RDP: fix palette mode for 16/32bit textures (e.g. Mario Kart)”

[lament escarp]

@wanton sun do you know why the compass in brian64 still has violet pixels around the compass?

[wanton sun]

no

[zinc dew]

Oh! Thank you so much!

[daring meteor]

I wouldn't be surprised if its the same thing as Doom or Dr Mario

[mortal panther]

It was already the perfectest game running on the core so far. Now it's perfecter... with 101% more perfect.

[thorn flax]

one of them fixed the ending to one of my favorite anime

[compact depot]

Eyes of the girl on crack in OoT fix wen? 🤔

[wanton sun]

2 days ago

[short trellis]

Not that anyone cares perhaps 😅 but Wetrix no longer has audio slowdown. Everything seems to work just as I remember it 👍

[daring meteor]

lmao

[compact depot]

Omg really?

[daring meteor]

Ya

[modern sleet]

Check twitter 😉

[zinc dew]

End of an era!

[compact depot]

Core is now perfect! Robert can now move to another core 😌

[daring meteor]

I suggest PC-FX

[compact depot]

X68k for sure

That system deserves a Robert quality grade core

[snow shadow]

Can anyone tell me which Super Mario 64 is supposed to work ?

[compact depot]

Check the pins

There’s a patch

[zinc dew]

You need to patch it, check the sjdjfiieenxjsid @compact depot beat me

[fair stump]

I will go wherever Robert does when he makes a DS core 😄

[daring meteor]

You can also use sed if you're more familier with it

[zinc dew]

SED more like SE-sucks!

[snow shadow]

Thanks both! I didn't think the patch was needed anymore 🙂

It's no the noface patch is it ?

[daring meteor]

Sμcks-ed

[wanton sun]

yes, it's only needed to skip the first screen

[zinc dew]

@daring meteor I actually love Linux. I use OSX all the time.

[daring meteor]

OSX is my favorate Linux distro

[snow shadow]

Gracias!

[zinc dew]

damnit that didn’t work, I failed to troll

[modern sleet]

I just realized yesterday that OOT MQ was a different game, after banging my head wondering why I don't remember any of the puzzles

[daring meteor]

lmao

[wanton sun]

when you go into the deku tree and there is fire instantly, you know something is wrong

[modern sleet]

NHL99 Playing really well now, last couple of updates really ironing out a lot (all?) of the audio glitches.

Oh I didnt realize the collectors edition of OOT boots

[marble cargo]

So are there any RDP and RSP functions not used?

[daring meteor]

32 bit I?

[tropic sand]

Latest mister unstable... Interesting.😍

Always try to auto detect system region and CIC

* Auto detect system region, CIC, and save type if the ROM is missing from N64-database

[daring meteor]

I bet nobody used 4 bit YUV

[zinc dew]

Yeah, extremely smart of the person who suggested it.

[modern sleet]

Oh wow, DK64 rap audio is in sync now

[zinc dew]

you mean the song from the Mario movie?

[compact depot]

Wondering what the “always try” means? Is that only if game is not in the DB or is it really always?

[mortal panther]

It needs to do or do not.

[compact depot]

It’s a MiSTery

[quaint pewter]

Has it added the n64 joystick clamping too?

[modern sleet]

I actually had to google that, I've not seen the movie 🙂

[zinc dew]

Oh sorry for the bad joke then lol.

[zealous hull]

Another build? Wow.

Haha, I'm here every day.

Just still can't get over it.

[modern sleet]

Robert is no mortal

[zinc dew]

Oh you must’ve missed the conversation last week. We all agreed to sacrifice you so Robert would release a daily build.

[cerulean elk]

wait I thought we just said lets run Robby over

[brisk drum]

With this

[zinc dew]

Well new core today, anyone test it yet?

[cerulean elk]

Yep. Crash Bandicoot 3 is working great. Sonic R has a few visual bugs. Killing Time has music drop outs and Zenki has some sprite issues

[zealous hull]

If this is the price that must be paid for Paper Mario, then so be it.

[cerulean elk]

and rendering. N64 at 4 CST

[hollow rune]

Doing so now

[wanton sun]

it's funny, i often use these videos at breakfast to see what has changes. I just can't test all these games 🙂

[daring meteor]

When you don't know the changes

[surreal summit]

Any other games that may be candidates for a fix re: black textures?

[zealous hull]

Yeah, I'm going to try to start posting more in #general-banter

[wanton sun]

any game that had black textures/assets might be influenced

(not black areas that should be translucent like Dr Mario)

[daring meteor]

No change on Yoshi's story (Is this the KeyGB thing you were working on?)

[fair stump]

Supercross 2000 still has black ground, that's one I've been keeping an eye on

[cerulean elk]

I need thumb help

I am feeling Goemon but which one

[marble cargo]

I like the second one with Goemon panicking

[fair stump]

Goemon works now?

[zealous hull]

The second one accurately reflects my face when I saw there was another build this morning.

[civic umbra]

Second one for sure

[wanton sun]

It does not, so better one of the others 😛

[cerulean elk]

just through to the intro but people keep begging to see it again

[fair stump]

Yeah if goemon doesn't work I'd definitely not use that

[cerulean elk]

mine too lol

[cerulean elk]

it works...till it doesnt. One of my often used quotes in videos lol

Goemon is in the video. Intro and soundtrack. I am glad to see people's love for that game is growing

[fair stump]

Gonna break @hollow rune's heart by making it look like it does

[mortal panther]

The second one really conveys the 'NEW CORE ALERT' well.

[daring meteor]

Is the Bomberman one also from a non working game?

Or is it from the working bomberman

[zealous hull]

Now I'm thinking, if it doesn't play, maybe it may not be best to put it in the thumbnail?

[cerulean elk]

Bomberman works. Its Hero

[zealous hull]

I dunno, I'm not a YouTuber.

[cerulean elk]

welcome to my daily debate. Goemon is in the video for two minutes and the visual is the best representation of the concept of "NEW CORE"

[civic umbra]

If it’s not clickbait then it’s not a YT thumbnail 😅

[surreal summit]

Note on Beetle Adventure Racing says occasional black textures. Anyone know where?

[zealous hull]

I know it's not on the list, but I think Majora's Mask is a great candidate.

But yeah, of the 4, I do like the scond one.

[zinc dew]

You know this is the right choice

[cerulean elk]

NO! No Quest

oh wait it was Bomberman lol

I will see how I feel later. I often change them ten minutes before the video goes live

[zealous hull]

I have a Firefox plugin that removes thumbnails, so I'll never know. But good luck!

Huh. That sounds horrifying out of context.

[cerulean elk]

wheres the fun in that? lol

[zealous hull]

I'm tired of seeing grown adults making faces that make them look like 7 year olds.
It's demoralizing.

[cerulean elk]

well put an exemption for my thumbs

[zinc dew]

remember minimize gif usage please

[cerulean elk]

we just use GOEMON making weird faces lol

[zealous hull]

I still watch your videos. Plus, since I'm here I get to see four thumbnails per video. 🙂

[cerulean elk]

ok video uploading...time to move onto sous vide short rib prep. Then back to editing things Ive been putting off

[cerulean elk]

sometimes I have like upwards of 8 I made and then I decide way later

[zealous hull]

Nice! I'm making homemade ravioli with a slow-roasted chuck ragu for friends this weekend. Enjoy!

[cerulean elk]

Yum

[hexed knot]

It seems like you could use those 4 thumbnails for the next 4 videos and it would fit!

[mild ether]

I choose GoldenEye

[zealous hull]

Shit's about to go wild when Goemon is fully playable.

[cerulean elk]

Gonna sous code these 10 hours then broil them. Red wine and coffee with garlic, thyme and whatever else I am vibjng on

[cerulean elk]

I’m glad people love him now. I rarely heard mention of Goemon back in the day I feel like

[primal bolt]

you need to get out more... Goemon was talked about at all the night clubs ont he weekends

[cerulean elk]

Ahh yeah those big Goemon raves. How could I forget

[primal bolt]

exactly

[cunning mantle]

@lone geyser Any chance you could build us a newer N64 clamp/scale fix MiSTER main, using the latest unstable from today?

[daring meteor]

Gømon

[left storm]

could anyone help me with my N64 core setup (or point me to a tutorial)? I have the unstable nighlies main (patched by me to ignore my broken HW menu button) and the lastest N64 core, I have N64 in my downloader ini and I am getting the latest DB and core and I have both boot roms and I tried various nointro roms but I always get a black screen and a message to use the db if I want to use saves

[primal bolt]

would this fix squished aspect ratios on CRT?

[daring meteor]

Check your boot rom hash

[left storm]

I checked them, both are ok

[daring meteor]

Or size if you can't hash

[visual forge]

Hey dudes, did something happen to saves? My SM64 save is gone today, it worked a few days ago

[daring meteor]

The roms you tried aren't "SM64" and "OOT" by chance right?

[visual forge]

I played on the 0920 or 0919 version last

Now 0923

[weary palm]

Always try do detect the cic type even if it's missing from the database. Sorry 'bout my English.

[left storm]

I tried kirby because the list says it should work

[daring meteor]

Should be no change from 0919

[primal bolt]

it works

[zinc dew]

First of all, genius suggestion. Secondly is today’s unstable your fine handiwork?

[surreal summit]

Games that mention black textures as an issue on the spreadsheet (USA):

Beetle Adventure Racing
Madden NFL 2001
Madden NFL 2002
Ms Pac-Man Maze Madness
NBA Showtime
Nightmare Creatures
Ogre Battle 64

[daring meteor]

Check the Kirby hash?

[left storm]

it seems like my DB is not read, yes the message is always shown

[zinc dew]

Have those been retested with today’s build?

[daring meteor]

Beetle was fine for a bit now, I think

But the Sky has broken textures

[left storm]

52e8382252ec9b629662153eae6f87ae3675b700 Kirby 64 - The Crystal Shards (Europe).z64

[hollow rune]

Dual Heroes works and looks perfect and is real ugly

[daring meteor]

Yeah that's the hash

[weary palm]

Yes, that's my work.

[fair stump]

Nightmare creatures is naturally dark, I'm not sure where the black textures were before

[weary palm]

Db is still needed for save types, though. 🙂

[fair stump]

It's kind of a slog to test 😆

[surreal summit]

No, working on it now, just wanted to do a list so if anyone else knows where the problems are they could test. Loaded the old core into a different folder so I can compare.

I swear I saw someone mention a specific track with black textures in Beetle Adventure Racing at some point.

[modern sleet]

It's a me a new core ?

[daring meteor]

The first one had problems

[visual forge]

Any ideas what could have caused my SM64 save to be erased?

[daring meteor]

No clue

[zinc dew]

Sincerely appreciate your attention to detail and work testing those games. It’s people like you that help bring this core to completion. 🍻

[mortal panther]

Does the N64-database.txt file exist in the same folder as the rest of your ROMs? Do you happen to have multiple N64 folders (for example, in media/fat/Games/N64 and media/usb0/Games/N64), with the .txt file in one and your ROMs in another?

[modern sleet]

Try the YC build, I typically update it same day

[left storm]

I will delete the core, the db and the boot roms and run the updater again

[cerulean elk]

Mario had an accident. Bowser got him. Sorry

[daring meteor]

Can I eat

[cerulean elk]

Sure. Get to Chicago by 7

[daring meteor]

What was Mario doing in Chicago?

[lament escarp]

This reminds me more of bloodborne. What a great game.

[primal bolt]

You should use clickbait thumbnails but with the big facial expressions of or faces of video game characters on the right side of the screen. Then whatever backgrounds you like. And on the left side put the console cut out from the background with the MiSTer sticking out of it

clickbait gets the clicks

although i wouldnt say that is clickbait, just funny and interesting

like copying youtuber thumbnails as a parody

[cerulean elk]

Lol issue is I’ve been using the same style for MiSTer for forever. I can’t change

[primal bolt]

you can always change

change is good

[cerulean elk]

Or else that “oh it’s VGE” instant recognition is gone

[primal bolt]

nah we going hollywood son

like hogan

[cerulean elk]

Maybe one day with a new series

[primal bolt]

stubborn

[daring meteor]

You should make a sequal

Call it VGF

Video Game Festorica

[primal bolt]

if I showed you an example you would love it

[devout leaf]

If you want views manufacture some scene drama. Start a disagreement with Robbie and title the video “MAJOR FIGHTS IN FPGA SCENE?!”

[primal bolt]

lol

[devout leaf]

Every mod scene has drama so it makes sense lol

[zealous hull]

Going to maintain my status as the server buzzkill, but has there been a consensus regarding off-topic chat in the N64 channel?

[primal bolt]

that would be funny

[daring meteor]

Altara Vs Xilinx

Make FPGA wars

[zealous hull]

@primal bolt Yeah, that was deserved.

[devout leaf]

No idea. I usually try not to talk.

Just put N64 at the end of your text.

[zealous hull]

I know Robert mentioned that he had to spend a lot of time sorting through messages last night. He wasn't complaining, but I dunno. Kinda made me feel a little guilty.

[cerulean elk]

Mock me up one. For real

[brisk drum]

Told ya he reads the entire chat

[zealous hull]

That poor man.

[cunning mantle]

I don't get it. Aren't you just updating the N64 Core, and not the MiSTER main?

[cerulean elk]

If I like it @primal bolt I’ll let you make a whole run of thumbs for a series “for experience” 🤣 (kidding)

[manic basin]

He skims and looks for @s ... if you'd read the entire chat, you'd know this... </s>
I just happened to be online when he mentioned it.

[modern sleet]

Sorry I thought you were talking about video scaling

[primal bolt]

I need money or FX3. I already have 25 years experience

[zealous hull]

Gotcha. I mean, it's not my business anyway. Just wanted to be helpful.

[cunning mantle]

Ah ok, thought i'm just dumb for one second.

[manic basin]

No worries. Everyone is speculating and whatnot, but I feel like he'd ask mods to clean it up if it got to be too bad. Robby will let us know if we need to shut it down.

[cerulean elk]

Lol and now you know why I do them myself. Channel already is a money loser. I can’t dig the hole deeper 🤣

[primal bolt]

yeah I hear ya

but thumbnails is key to more views and subs

which equals more money

the thumbnail is what gets people to click

[zealous hull]

To be honest, that sounds exhausting. I don't think I could do it.

[random knot]

Don't Use Goemon for the thumb, still not working after cinematics

[primal bolt]

It is

however when you got a template its much easier

[surreal summit]

Madden 2001 and 2002 field texture being black was already fixed as of the last build if someone can fix the note on those in the spreadsheet.

[zealous hull]

My social anxiety already makes me question if everybody in my life likes me, I can't imagine trying to expand that out to a YouTube audience.

[left storm]

all files were in the same folder but now that I deleted everything again and tried for the Xth time it suddenly works - maybe the empty N64 folder in /media/fat was the problem

[zealous hull]

I'm not cut out for YouTube. lol

[left storm]

thanks for your help, it's now working 🙂

[astral loom]

damn just figured out how to get n64 room to show under mistore-cores instead of opening another windows on the right hand side

I'm not impressed with myself

[zealous hull]

But you got there in the end!

[astral loom]

true dat

[zinc dew]

We like you here, you’re among like-minded friends. 🍻

[astral loom]

@zinc dew TY kind sir

[zealous hull]

Haha, thanks Robby. ❤️ I genuinely wasn't fishing for that.

[manic basin]

With YT you have to go in expecting 10% to hate you for just existing on YT. It's not you. But some folks get mired in it. My old producer would ignore hundreds of positive comments to focus on the handful of negative ones and it drove them nuts. They shut down the channel, giving into exactly what the trolling wanted. But it's really hard to compartmentalize that stuff. We're social animals.

[primal bolt]

everyone will always have haters on the internet no matter who you are

[zealous hull]

The thing that always bothered me were the hate threads on Reddit and stuff.

[fair stump]

I can update it, did you test it today as well?

[zealous hull]

People act like they know you and scrutinize every single thing.

[manic basin]

It's brutal

[zealous hull]

It's horrifying.

[primal bolt]

I wouldnt even pay attention to reddit, 4chan, and kiwifarms

[astral loom]

so does Esoterica make any n64 videos?

[primal bolt]

yes

[zealous hull]

God, kiwifarms. I don't even want to think about it.

[cerulean elk]

I’m feeling it out. Goemon is in the video. But I kinda like Bomberman better

[manic basin]

If you need, I can check it in a bit. I suck so bad at those games, I spend most of my time just staring at the field.

[zealous hull]

We call 'em awbacon 'round these parts. 🙂

[primal bolt]

nah the Goemon with the funny face is great

[astral loom]

damn I missed his n64 videos then been following more saturn

[cerulean elk]

You aren’t anyone till you file a police report with death threats 😂

[zealous hull]

Did you know he's in the chat right now?

[daring meteor]

He could be any one of us

[astral loom]

I can't give him athmbs down

[zealous hull]

One sec. I'll do it for you.

There.

[astral loom]

He's like slim shady try and point him out

[zealous hull]

I thumbs down'd him.

[cerulean elk]

Never heard of him

[manic basin]

<stands up in Tony Curtis > I'M VGE!

[cerulean elk]

I do hear he’s got a magnum…personality

[astral loom]

Magnum PI?

[orchid nimbus]

I hate that VGE dude - talks to fast and doesn't say anything of value - I alwas thumb his videos down

after I watch them

[zealous hull]

I heard he doesn't even like Bomberman. I think it's just a character he plays for the camera.

[orchid nimbus]

yeah - bottom feeding of the hard work the core devs do

I bet he doesn't even support them on patreon

[cerulean elk]

Lol I’m sure someone out there thinks that

[primal bolt]

he's a good guy

[orchid nimbus]

he has a punchable voice

[zealous hull]

Jesus Vampier

[cerulean elk]

I’m got a face your mother loves. Well parts of my face at least

[hollow rune]

The latter ones all use the same engine. I only tested the first of them yesterday

[daring meteor]

I like Jesus Weerwolf more

[manic basin]

What's the German word for that....

[primal bolt]

Goldschlogger

[surreal summit]

Yeah. 2001 and 2002 respectively.

[cerulean elk]

PunchenFaceon

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-dont-say-it-cover-your-mouth-be-quiet-gif-16624443

[marble cargo]

Wonder why the text in Diddy Kong Racing just randomly twitches. I figured it would be fixed with future builds, but that problem still persists.

[knotty zealot]

you have a punchable voice!

[cerulean elk]

Thankfully unless @orchid nimbus gets spicy again my stalker death threat sender has disappeared

[fair stump]

Nice. Still some graphic issues but looks good overall

[zenith orchid]

So MK64 is officially perfect?

[daring meteor]

VI

[primal bolt]

lol how the hell do you even have a stalker that sends death threats. wtf

[zealous hull]

Nah, I like 8 Deluxe a little more.

[zenith orchid]

disregarding legit video output

[cerulean elk]

I wonder the same thing haha

[zealous hull]

I'm really really sorry. :/

[daring meteor]

Arguably Dithering isn't just legit video output

[primal bolt]

yea thats just a worthless troll, ignore it

[cerulean elk]

Lol I framed it and hung it on my wall till my wife made me take it down

[primal bolt]

lol

[orchid nimbus]

see you DM - let me tell you who VGE really is!

[knotty zealot]

drama! drama!

[orchid nimbus]

I bet @cerulean elk doesn't even like him

[primal bolt]

vampier is one to talk.... he is very mean

[zenith orchid]

ah, it hasn't fixed Dr. Mario, I think that's the only remaining issue with that game

[manic basin]

He hates him most of all.

[orchid nimbus]

It was the first thing I asked 😄

[astral loom]

can someone point me to the nightlies? I suck at discord, I'm discombobulated

[zealous hull]

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/807613978154762252

[primal bolt]

N64 is in test builds

[astral loom]

ty

[knotty zealot]

i bet you suck discord at night

[primal bolt]

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/737506076806611064

[zealous hull]

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/737506076806611064

[knotty zealot]

zing

[zealous hull]

Beat me to it, @primal bolt

[fair stump]

Sheet has been updated 👍

[manic basin]

Thanks for keeping on top of this! It's grueling work to keep a moving target documented!

And it's appreciated

[fair stump]

@surreal summit did all the work 👍

[manic basin]

Thanks to them as well!

[fair stump]

Anyone want to update the RE2 entry? I know that was just tested by a bunch of people

[quasi storm]

I see OgreBattle 64 now boots! It's missing some graphics in the title screen, though. There should be a party standing on the hillside...

[hexed knot]

Yep, there's some missing ground textures in some scenes, as well as some purple lines in the text dialogues.

[quasi storm]

Or .. wait. Is that a progress thing?

Like the party only shows when you make a save?

[astral loom]

I see a normpnt.rom, normslp.rom and pifdata.bin which one do I use?

[hexed knot]

Oh that'd be fun. Sea of Stars does that too.

[quasi storm]

Okay, I see now. I remember emulators had this issue for the longest time

[orchid nimbus]

did the rumble pack have saves?

[surreal summit]

I think it was already updated yeah? Or do you mean to test again?

[quasi storm]

I wonder if OgreBattle's missing graphics are related to yoshis story...

[orchid nimbus]

@quasi storm the games have nothing to do with eachother

[fair stump]

It was updated yesterday, wasn't sure if the notes needed to be updated

[lament lagoon]

Sorry if this is a stupid question. I just installed the n64 core and everything I run is green haha. Like it works but everything has a green tint to it. Could this be because of the vga->svideo I'm using?

[orchid nimbus]

sync on green

how do you connect?

[lament lagoon]

Its fine for my other cores just this one. I'm using the mistermultisystem's vga going into a vga to svideo converter, then svideo to the crt

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun Beetle Racing Adventure has an interesting texturing quirk. The skybox has graphical corruption and the trees in the track Coventry Cove don’t have proper alphas.

[fair stump]

Woah

[lament lagoon]

I'm using the adapter by antonio villena

[primal bolt]

arent there better option(s)?

I think misteraddons sells one

dont quote me on that

[orchid nimbus]

yes he does

I used it too 😄

[primal bolt]

I thought the Antonio one was outdated

[lament lagoon]

I've had this for a while haha, and like I said it's been working fine for other cores like the psx, snes, etc

[primal bolt]

yea but surely that is the problem

there have been advancements with s-video since that antonio adapter came out

[lament lagoon]

Hmm, I'll have to take a look into it

[wanton sun]

might take a look at it soon. the skybox is typically drawn first, so it's very easy to debug

[primal bolt]

yea im not an expert on the composite, s-video, and RF but I would get the mister addons one if i needed to use that

and update your ini file

there are new options

[lament lagoon]

Yeah his looks the same, and its out of stock. Maybe its an ini setting

[primal bolt]

its better

regardless how it looks

[vagrant ivy]

Mr Addons is active I believe and Antonio's is passive

[lament lagoon]

I haven't messed around with it in a good 6 months so I'm sure there's new settings in there

[vapid hawk]

doesn't the n64 core not support y/c yet

[primal bolt]

updating mister does not update the ini files.... at lest not for me

[lament lagoon]

That's what I was wondering originally

[primal bolt]

thats a good point

i mean some of the games are not even displayed properly on CRT

yet

[zenith orchid]

heh, and it was the first thing I checked, since I typically play a quick game every morning to get my brain working

[topaz otter]

Hey at least you dont have to make a patch for each individual game like back in the day right

[astral loom]

Damn this N64 core is awesome

[marble cargo]

@wanton sun Do you have any idea why Diddy Kong Racing has the twitching text and the purple water?

Game is almost flawless, so I was curious.

[lament lagoon]

Ok cool I'll just wait. Whenever mister's comes in stock maybe I'll pick that up in the meantime. I'm sure svideo/composite connection isn't top priority for the core haha

[astral loom]

first time trying it and I can't tell if its even a beta core its so nice

[wanton sun]

flickering text is in many games. i think some rdp draw commands are lost, but i don't know yet why

the purple water...isn't that a regression even? i thought it was fine at some point?

[vapid hawk]

maybe useful - duke3d has the flickering text in its hud all the time

it almost looks like z-fighting

[craggy kettle]

Just tried updating my mister core and zImage files, but my nexigo switch pro controller doesn't hasve vibration still (tested using Starfox64) any ideas how I could help diagnose why and get it working?

[marble cargo]

I think it might be an issue with the double layering? It only showed up after that was implemented.

[wanton sun]

could be, yes

even angrylion has issues with the beetle skybox 🙈

or was that on hardware?

[vapid hawk]

is it just me or is the text in rayman missing like, maybe the top 1 or 2 rows of pixels

per line

its most obvious when it shows A or B prompts

[surreal summit]

You using the @modern sleet build? Main build doesn't support Y/C. (Note this is usually a version behind because Robert is so fast.) #1096015979055697940 message

[compact depot]

I can’t read English properly. Sorry me. 😔

[twin barn]

Not sure what this option does on the 64drivw

But I was looking around too

That should be 32k cpak

Sram32kilobyte

[quasi storm]

Text readability is still an issue at high resolutions...

[twin barn]

There apparently was a revision of the cic 6102 that was a "6102A" but there's probably no functional difference. Saw that shiren's PCB had two revisions when looking to confirm it was sram

[modern sleet]

45m behind today 😉

[twin barn]

Does it change when you toggle texture filter?

[compact depot]

@wanton sun did you have the chance to look at Automobili Lamborghini’s red transparencies?

[quasi storm]

Not in Virtual Pool. I'll need to check StarCraft, but I'm guessing it won't.

Note, This isn't a new issue...

[wanton sun]

no, sorry

[twin barn]

Yeah it probably won't. Only mentioned because in shiren the 2d sprites all changed dramatically with it.

[zinc dew]

Reminder of how amazingly lucky we are to have this core!

[modest helm]

What does the latest MiSTer unstable mainly do?

[zinc dew]

That’s at an antique ship I stopped by at.

[compact depot]

No worries! It looks like a low hanging fruit though!

[quasi storm]

"Antique Shop"?! Ooooohh! I'm DYYYYIN'!!!

[compact depot]

WTF? N64 is sold by something like $10 in Brazil?

[twin barn]

#unstable-nightlies message

The description is pretty thorough

Games that aren't in the db will get more auto detection successfully.

Basically.

[modest helm]

Fair enough. Tested it out and still running into the issue where if you load a game via MGL then it deletes the controller pak saves

Must be much better for undocumented homebrew games and users not using the N64 database file

[twin barn]

When the core boots it is supposed to auto format the cpak

Wonder if mgl loading is kinda misfiring the order of this somehow

Like it formats it after it loads the save.

[modest helm]

Yeah it seems to work fine w/out MGL from my testing. @zinc dew also is experiencing this. We're MGL users

[quaint pewter]

256kbit = 32kbyte Sram yeah, but saving doesn't work. I don't know if the game is even keeping save internally to be honest. You can "suspend" your game and when it goes back to the title the data is gone - without resetting the game or reloading or anything, so the internal sram rather than on the sdcard isn't correct for that game?

[orchid nimbus]

what's going on with the DK intro screen with the rare logo? It's almost as if it doesn't switch to hi-res

[quaint pewter]

seems a strange case as to my knowledge save seems to work for everything else now (that I know of).

[modest helm]

Where's a good place to document this MGL issue? There's no Github repo right?

[twin barn]

I'll look at the hex of the save it's creating in the core for me, seems weird. It might be just not able to read it because how it's being written isn't correct.

[quasi storm]

Same thing with killer instinct gold, and NASCAR 2000

[twin barn]

Don't submit issues to GitHub for it yet.

Not there yet.

🙂

[quasi storm]

Just grabbed the latest unstable mister main, I'm surprised the analogue gate changes haven't been included in unstable yet...

[modest helm]

Thank you. Btw, this only seems to affect controller pak saves. All other save types work fine with MGL.

[quaint pewter]

I tried copying a mupen (simple64) save over to the core and it wouldn't read - I haven't tried taking the core save to the emulator though. (assuming you can do this is there are no headers etc)

[zinc dew]

Lot of testing and review that needs to happen before it goes live.

[dense chasm]

I hope this gets updated soon, does the latest still have the fix? Or do you have to use the one from weeks ago?

[modest helm]

If you're referring to the MGL issue then yes. Using the core and latest unstable main from today

[dense chasm]

Yay! Thank you

I was holding off on updating bc last time I ran it it updated and lost the patch, and I have issues updating the mister file via wifi

[zinc dew]

You mean the analog controller ranges right?

[dense chasm]

Yepp

[quasi storm]

It's making me not want to update to the latest unstable, the clamped ranges are so nice!

[zinc dew]

@modest helm is referring to an mgl issue that’s still occurring.

[zinc dew]

Latest unstable should still have those analog ranges. Not at my MiSTer to confirm.

[dense chasm]

Ah, i was responding to turbochop, i see how that got confused now

[quasi storm]

It does not...

[zinc dew]

Damn

[quasi storm]

Well, I'm pretty sure. Let me test again for sanity's sake.

[dense chasm]

Yeah, last time i ran update n64 it changed the unstable main, and then i had to shut off and take the sd card out to update it. Wouldnt let me overwrite via wifi for some reason

[orchid nimbus]

it makes enemies and objects easy to spot

[twin barn]

Sometimes software emus don't use the right format or they just handle it differently, they may put on headers, etc...

[last scarab]

is the unstable mister required to use with the latest N64 builds?

[twin barn]

The save file the n64 core uses is 4x the size of a normal one on purpose, so it might not read it if it's too short.

[orchid nimbus]

no

[dense chasm]

Just if you want the less sensitive stick values?

[quasi storm]

Can confirm the clamped stick ranges aren't included

[zinc dew]

Thank you for confirming!

[dense chasm]

Is it possible to add them to the current unstable main? Or is there a problem with using the one from 9/9

[orchid nimbus]

yeah - I tried to play forsaken - can't even aim right

[quasi storm]

These values aren't just for aesthetics. The unclamped values make some games really touchy at best, and other completely unresponsive at worst.

[twin barn]

k doesn't look like anything weird with saves format, just checked alongside RMG, saves look pretty much the same. only thing maybe different is that sram in mupen64/rmg/etc.. is initialized to 0xFF which seemed to be common for SRAM carts

but once the save is added it's filled with 0x00 except for the data itself

[dense chasm]

Oh, i 100% agree. Mario kart is very difficult without it

[orchid nimbus]

oh wow

[dense chasm]

SCOTTSCOTTSCOTTSCOTT

[zinc dew]

LOL

[wanton sun]

i'll be off for today and play some penny racers (it works without crashing it seems). Seems the fix today doesn't really solve much apart from Mario Kart, but well, still nice to have it. And the risk of it breaking things is low, so i can sleep well 🙂

[dense chasm]

i know you usually need the latest unstable main for the saturn core, hopefully the one from 9/9 for the stick fix will work OK with it

[orchid nimbus]

nice

[modest helm]

What exactly was fixed in Mario Kart? I see it says palette mode. Only graphical issue I ran into in this game was the thomps on Bower's Castle

[orchid nimbus]

thanks @wanton sun

[last scarab]

#1096015979055697940 message

[zinc dew]

Yup, exactly that

[quasi storm]

Also the cars in Destruction Derby 64

[orchid nimbus]

Extreme G2 tell me to go [beep] with my analogue sticks

[surreal summit]

NBA Showtime still in shadow puppet mode

[orchid nimbus]

that looks cool

[cerulean elk]

lol that price

[candid copper]

should EEPROM4 saves work right now?

[sharp beacon]

EEPROM, SRAM, FLASH and Controller Pak

[mortal panther]

All save types do.

[orchid nimbus]

OMG!!!!

[vapid hawk]

I think todays core fixed this

[orchid nimbus]

the nightmare is over!!

[surreal summit]

The last core I think

[fallen sparrow]

I'll have this game in an N64 video later today, if all goes to plan

[orchid nimbus]

going to try and crash mario64

without the delay

[fallen sparrow]

Best wishes

[orchid nimbus]

audio pops and clicks are gone

[remote hatch]

you can't 🙂

[mortal panther]

I noticed that on split screen Mario Kart 64.

[candid copper]

nice. so if a game isn't in the n64db (like my patched version of mario64) I have to either make sure the save type is set correctly before loading the ROM or add it to the db, correct?

[mortal panther]

Audio pops and clicks galore previously when the 3- and 4-player screens would appear while running the Mario Kart 64 demo loop. Those are gone now, it seems.

[surreal summit]

I think the entry is OK. I just played through a bit again to see if there were any changes and it was stable. Unless we can get @Freddo to play though the whole game. 🧟‍♂️

[compact depot]

OMG crack girl is clean! 😱😱

[mortal panther]

She cleans up good.

[vapid hawk]

fixed her makeup 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

nice - no pops click or any other stuff - bomb king died like a b**ch

[weary palm]

It was a different kind of wrong before, if we're talking about dkr. It was black in the spots that are pink now.

[remote hatch]

yeah , Wave Race is fixed too

[cerulean elk]

audio wise?

[remote hatch]

audio is good , and no crash

[cerulean elk]

ahh yeah I noticed that

[remote hatch]

fixed yesterday

[cerulean elk]

so little is crashing now

[orchid nimbus]

no crashng

[vapid hawk]

@bronze tree could you possibly do a fresh build of the analog range fix branch please? there's been some important updates on main

[orchid nimbus]

hey mimi test

[tidal zenith]

if anyone wants to try, this is markun's fork of mister with the clamping but brought up to date with all the latest unstable mister changes

[orchid nimbus]

hey @tidal zenith too bad you couldn't make it 😦

[vapid hawk]

oh awesome thanks

[tidal zenith]

I know, I want taco pics!

[orchid nimbus]

hahahah

[tidal zenith]

I have to go to a stupid 3yo park birthday

let me know if it works I don't have time to test it but I just refreshed the repo and updated added the CIC autodetect commit

[orchid nimbus]

oh well - that taco place fills up really fast - yesterday at 8pm it was packed

[tidal zenith]

I went at like 9pm on a thursday and waited almost 40 minutes

[last scarab]

@manic basin I was up all night troubleshooting why the raphnetv3 adapter wouldnt rumble with fzero. I went with wipinig the SD and reinstalling mister and using update_all and it now works flawlessly. Thanks for your help!

[orchid nimbus]

yeah it's been steadily gainging stream 🙂 everyone here is like.. wtf are these people talking about

https://www.tacosloscholos.com/ in case anyone want to be there at around 12:30

821 S State College Blvd
Anaheim, CA 92806

[weary palm]

@lone geyser I think you should submit your joystick clamping fixes to the Main_MiSTer repository instead of nightly. My changes was accepted pretty quickly when I did so. 🙂

[dense chasm]

I found out if i deleted the mister file instead of trying to overwrite it, it allowed me to update to unstable build via wifi

[surreal summit]

Seems good

[tidal zenith]

awesome, @zinc dew maybe you can pin my post above in case people need MiSTer with the latest fixes for saturn but also want to play N64 for now?

#1096015979055697940 message

I forget if we're pinning controller fixes 😄

[tidal zenith]

what kind of controller is that?

[weary palm]

The N64 analog joystick is really digital

[dense chasm]

Thank you!!!

[surreal summit]

8BitDo SN30 Pro+, no octagonal gate so I'm a little off on the corners lol

[tidal zenith]

oh ya ok

that makes sense then

[primal bolt]

good stick with devastating lifecycle

[orchid nimbus]

brawler 64

[primal bolt]

OG N64 I meant

[tidal zenith]

as always, thanks @bronze tree for the code - I am just barely smart enough to run the toolchain to build the binary! They should have a custom role/flare for that

[orchid nimbus]

tribute 64

yes I spend $80 on controllers to test this core 😄

[dense chasm]

Gentle reminder that nintendo restocks their n64 controllers often 🙂

Where do i drop the driver file for it, btw?

[orchid nimbus]

oh the controls on extreme g2 are just fubar

[daring meteor]

I should really get a better control scheme on mine

Probably by using Y and X for A and B

[tidal zenith]

No driver just replace the mister binary

[orchid nimbus]

rename the mister file to mister_old and then just save the file

make sure the filename matches caps and all

[dense chasm]

Oh, i meant for the nso controller, i think theres a driver to download

[tidal zenith]

Not for mister, just Bluetooth pair it

[dense chasm]

I keep forgetting context, lol

[orchid nimbus]

It's not needed anymore as far as I know

[tidal zenith]

For a second there was an updated Linux image but all that moved into mister binary

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/

If you are using the NSO N64 controller and are having issues mapping it due to it being overly sensitive, or would like to be able to use it via USB instead of bluetooth you can use this linux image with added driver support. It must be placed in your "/media/fat/linux" folder, in place of your exisiting zImage_dtb file. If you are replacing it live, simply rename the old file and copy across the new one, then cold reboot your MiSTer. Find the file on Test Build Channel on Discord```

[dense chasm]

Awesome! Just got mine on thursday, gonna try it out today

[orchid nimbus]

@dense chasm first try without this 'fix'

let me know if it's still needed

if not I'll remove it

[dense chasm]

The saffun controller worked fine by itself, so i'll try witout first!

[tidal zenith]

It just may be way out of range but would still work

Also it may be hard to calibrate as the stick jiggles a bit

Er, remap

[orchid nimbus]

Yakoochuu II 😄 try that game

[ebon oyster]

A modest sample of my controller collection (mostly just the wireless/BT ones).

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun found another interesting issue, this time with 007 The World is not Enough. If you turn on Hi-Color in the options you get the red texturing issue found on some other games. Easy repro!

[remote hatch]

vibration in Brawler64 with N64 core works for you ?

[ebon oyster]

Haven't tried that yet. Rumble isn't a huge deal for me personally.

[remote hatch]

I'm asking out of curiosity 😄

[daring meteor]

All thank the TWINE

[ebon oyster]

I know. I'm explaining out of kindness 😁

[daring meteor]

Why are your screenshots always on a resolution of 50x50?

[remote hatch]

also don't care about rumble hehe

[quasi storm]

Pilotwings is a real treat now!

[devout leaf]

You guys are gonna hurt rumble’s feelings

[remote hatch]

but vibration doesn't work for me , @quasi storm has more luck 😄

[ebon oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/awooga-awooga-gif-rumble-transformers-rumble-transformers-gif-26641895

[tidal zenith]

I honestly forgot all about using a real n64, I can’t believe we had to swap paks mid game lol

[devout leaf]

Oh wow! Can’t wait for that to be in the new SNAC build.

Love Pilotwings

[tidal zenith]

Gotta have those same frame inputs for pilot wings

[torpid hamlet]

I dunno what happened but Sin and Punishment (Tsumi to Batsu) now runs REALLY well compared to when I last tested it, better than original hardware on an Everdrive

[quasi storm]

Wtf... it's not working, now!

[torpid hamlet]

I think I saw only one fairly big graphical error at the penultimate boss of 2-1

[quasi storm]

I SWEAR it did before

[torpid hamlet]

Where the walls have a seam, but Idk if that was in original either

[lone geyser]

So from what I've gleaned from others Sorg is aware of the changes and doesn't love them so it's kind of in the air still

[remote hatch]

I believe you, but I have tried everything 🙂

no luck my friend

[ebon oyster]

I almost entirely missed the N64, Saturn, and PSX generation of consoles because I was in university by that point and no longer had time to game, except for one semester during which one of my roommates made the mistake of bringing a borrowed N64 into our dorm room after returning from the winter holiday break. We must have re-rented Zelda 64 from the local Blockbuster more times than the cartridge was worth and tanked our GPAs quite a bit completing that game... and then we swore it off like a bad addiction and made him give the N64 back to his friend.

[native mesa]

You could do multiplayer without it.

[regal prism]

I never said you couldn't

[orchid nimbus]

Doom64 too

[zinc dew]

Sorry I took so long to respond but thanks for the heads up. I updated the Controller Info pin to have a link to the MiSTer unstable you listed - #1096015979055697940 message

[tidal zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/approved-im-doing-me-im-doing-my-part-gif-12931143

All good.

[remote hatch]

if you get to why the vibration is not working , let me know please

[thorn flax]

silly question. does anyone here using the NSO controller know if the green player can be correctly assigned? or do it always be in knight rider mode?

[tidal zenith]

Use a nightly zimage_dtb

Adds the nso n64 controller and fixes the lights

#unstable-nightlies message

[native mesa]

That's some Roland ass kick drums if I've ever heard them

[paper orchid]

Just to make sure I'm not going crazy, if I enable the Error Overlay and it's not displaying, is this just a case where there's no errors being encountered?

(F-Zero X shows the overlay, but Sin & Punishment no longer does from what I can tell)

[weary palm]

Oh.

[thorn flax]

wonderful!

[zealous hull]

Fingers crossed the nightly somehow fixes my modkit rumble. 🙂

[paper orchid]

oh that's uh...that's good then

So I can start doing cart vs. mister then huh

[quasi storm]

Just imagine I posted the M.Bison gif again...

[paper orchid]

rofl

[native mesa]

Does this 32 bit texture palette impact other games?

[chrome quest]

Apologies, someone tagged me to test with my Raphnet but I forgot last night. Glad you got it working.
I've been meaning to test CPAK/Rumble hot swapping to see if the San Francisco Rush 2049 issue is widespread or just that game

[last scarab]

no problem buddy. I like troubleshooting something until I can solve it myself hahha

[ebon oyster]

Did anyone ever determine which configuration of lights (or set of instructions) is correct for setting Xinput mode on the Brawler 64 NSO wireless controller? The printed leaflet and the corresponding PDF on their web site say one thing, while the yellow text on the product page says the opposite, and both sets of instructions say to use the "B" button to toggle between Xinput/Dinput while it appears that "B" is needed to select one whereas "A" is needed to select the other. So I really have no idea whether I'm using Dinput mode or Xinput.

[remote hatch]

xinput top/bottom, dinput middle

[ebon oyster]

Yikes. So both the leaflet AND the corresponding PDF are wrong.

[vapid hawk]

works great

i can no longer get hydro thunder to crash 👍

[modest helm]

Can we put Mario Kart 64 under perfect for the compatibility tracker now?

[daring meteor]

No

VI

[tidal zenith]

Since I am ass at git I manually had to modify the n64.cpp file lol

[remote hatch]

i tried two modes , and no luck with rumble

[ebon oyster]

Are you pairing to a Bluetooth dongle or to an 8bitdo or Mayflash adapter?

[remote hatch]

bluetooth dongle

[ebon oyster]

Have you tried the controller button combos for increasing/decreasing the rumble strength?

[remote hatch]

yes sir

[tidal glade]

is rumble working on a xbox controller?

[languid dune]

Bummer! Today's update broke the save files for most of the rom hacks I have. Like the Mario 64 multiplayer hack.

[remote hatch]

Feels vibration during connection, when increasing rumble also

osd set to rumble

DS4 works with vibrations

Dualshock

[languid dune]

Now it says "use database if save is needed". Whereas before it just worked.

Pretty sure it's the new MiSTer main unstable that broke it.

[ebon oyster]

I'm using a Mayflash adapter, so I'll give it a try (now that I have the Xinput/Dinout thing figured out) and see of that makes any difference re: rumble.

[paper orchid]

Haven't got too far in comparing the two, there's one small visual issue I can see on 2-1 and this one little pixel here

[languid dune]

It also broke the save file for Smash Remix.

[paper orchid]

2-1 has an area before Brad where you're fighting a boss down a long-running hallway, there appears to be some geometry that isn't fully stitched together

[mild ether]

That little guy?

[paper orchid]

Need to check on the N64 if that's the case though

The Z button indicator has one single stray pixel

It fluctuates between green and red which is interesting

[ebon oyster]

Corrected pairing instructions (manual and web site are both wrong) for RetroFighters Brawler64 NSO wireless controller.

There, someone please pin that ^^

[vapid hawk]

protip for anyone else using the retrobit 2.4g tribute64, you can map both Z buttons by using the map alternate buttons thing in the osd and just skipping every button but z

[paper orchid]

There's also the garbage data on the left and right of the screen when the blur effect is used, but IIRC some emulators are pretty notorious for that too

I don't think the N64 itself has that e.g. in overscan but I'd have to check

[ebon oyster]

Yeah I've been doing that already with the Brawler64.

[quasi storm]

40 winks is looking great!

[remote hatch]

wow, nice!

[quasi storm]

I love how there's not enough room for fmvs, so cutscenes are brute forced in engine. Haha, suck it ps1

(I'm really enjoying my new capture card, if y'all haven't noticed 😊)

[ebon oyster]

Anyone else experiencing problems with fast Dpad inputs getting frequently intermittently dropped using the Brawler64 NSO? Like when trying to rapidly move one row or page at a time in the OSD? It's been this way for me since I first unboxed the controllers.

[weary palm]

I'm sorry my change had this effect for you. I blank out the save type if it's not found in the db. I will revert this part of the code change.

[quasi storm]

I've noticed the controller has range issues. Like, if I sit back in the couch, and sit with a leg up, my leg being between the controller and mister is enough to drop inputs.

And I would say I'm about 7 feet away.

[vapid hawk]

the brawlers are really not great

i had two before i heard of anything better, that dpad is probably the worst i've ever used

[ebon oyster]

Yeah it really sucks, to the point I'm still thinking about returning these. I've already got my wireless dongles on a separate USB hub moved physically apart from each other and from MiSTer to eliminate those kinds of issues fine for all my other wireless peripherals, but the Brawler still seems iffy.

[vapid hawk]

try the tribute64 instead , the 2.4g ones

[ebon oyster]

Problem is, I haven't seen any other good non-batarang-style wireless N64 controller options.

[ebon oyster]

Not familiar with that one.

[vapid hawk]

https://retro-bit.com/tribute64-wireless/

[quasi storm]

Yeah, I'm starting to notice... the rubber cap fell of my stick, there is more dead zone moving left than right, mister won't met me map both triggers for Z, rumble doesn't work (Though I swear it used to), there's the whole pairing issue thats exacerbated by incorrect (or at least poorly written) product instructions... and on and on.

[ebon oyster]

I hate the three-prong batarang style, but if that's the only way to get a reliable wireless N64 experience, I may suck it up and go for it.

[remote hatch]

same here

[vapid hawk]

its more like a traditional pad tbh

the tribute

that is somewhat a downside, it isn't good for doing the left-hand control style on fps games

[remote hatch]

I'd rather play with a DualShock than a trident od force 😄

[ebon oyster]

Oh, that was the other one I read the reviews for and considered. It sounded like just as much of a mixed bag, with poor wireless reception, build quality issues, etc.

[vapid hawk]

i replaced my brawlers with them and i've been very happy

the stick specifically, is fantastic

also they have rumble

[ebon oyster]

Hrm. Well, I'll order one to give it a try and compare. Probably what I should have done in the first place.

[remote hatch]

for me this Brawler is ok , the only drawback is the lack of vibration for now , but I don't need vibration that much 🙂

[tropic sand]

Beatle Racing.. Plays better on Mister than emulator.

Graphic oddities... apart from sky... The arrows don't flash which is odd.. and the red car is brown..

I'll re-check tomorrow...

But hey... these are tiny issues.

No slowdown or noise blips at the waterfall , which I had on the emulator. Robert has done an amazing job 🥰

[vapid hawk]

like it might actually be my favorite analog stick on anything, its really super smooth and awesome

like if someone refined the gamecube stick even further or something

[ember kiln]

Rogue Squadron now gets past the intro, plays the demo and you can get into gameplay. GFX issues remain, but still an exciting day!

[cunning mantle]

I bet 50% of all N64 games are nearly unplayble without your fixes. I tried a lot games with standard controls (without your fix), but there is no way i want to play them that way.

[cerulean elk]

I was playing earlier. Super smooth

[vapid hawk]

yeah i've found multiple games that do crazy stuff without that build

[ebon oyster]

I love the ergonomics and tactile action of the Brawler, but the spotty wireless reception, flat-out wrong instructions, and lack of any sign of firmware updates have all got my spooked.

[remote hatch]

Wipeout 64 is unplayable without

[cunning mantle]

Yep, something like Cruis'n USA too.

[vapid hawk]

quake actually gets completely crazy and will like, jam the analog stick and stuff its wild

you can get stuck spinning even while you're not touching the stick

[ebon oyster]

I'd say any non-ideal implementation of the analog range fix that doesn't risk regressing other cores is worth getting committed ASAP, and can be subsequently rewritten or improved later. But right now, it's a real obstacle to accurately testing and evaluating the core under development.

[vapid hawk]

yeah

if someone wants to rewrite it later i guess whatever but functionally its basically perfect

[hollow iris]

Is anybody else having problems with the Tribute v2? I pair it up to the 2.4 dongle. Map in Main. Open N64 core and map there. Plays and works fine. 2 green lights. Turn off Mister, never pairs again. Have to reset controller and start the whole process again. Am i doing something wrong. Latest core and latest unstable main.

[ebon oyster]

The pace of core+main updates is rapid, so not having the analog fix in main is creating a setup and maintenance nightmare for everyone.

[vapid hawk]

my tributes are v1 and they don't do that

maybe update the firmware on it?

[hollow iris]

I checked the firmware, all looks good but will check again. Thanks.

[lone geyser]

It's not that they don't need to happen. It's the implementation

[compact depot]

@bronze tree what’s missing before you open a PR with your clamp fixes to main mister?

We need them

[vapid hawk]

is anyone actually talking to sorg or is this all just scuttlebutt ? like open an MR and air it out

[tidal zenith]

My understanding is that it performs a check when every core is started

Thus has a performance impact potentially.

[compact depot]

If it’s just on core load then it’s fine

Just open the PR

[lone geyser]

It performs a check every time the controller is read