Nintendo 64

[zinc dew]

I blame @viscid nebula

He tricked me!

[mortal panther]

Made the controller too top-heavy as well, in my opinion. I never liked it for several reasons. The gimmick wore off very quickly.

[zinc dew]

blasphemer!

I was the goober who played star fox 64 and was absolutely mesmerized by the rumble pak

So I’m in no position to comment 😂

[deft tree]

robby playing starfox 64 = staring out the window with the controller in his lap while he flies into the ground

[zinc dew]

OH LORD NOT LIKE THAT LMAO

[lament escarp]

I don't like that the nso n64 controller simply has no pack at all. The 8bitdo has at least a small rumble pack.

[zinc dew]

fukn dying omg lmao

[mortal panther]

Drives while looking at the steering wheel?

[native mesa]

No face is the removal of the stretchy face Mario intro. Not his face that used to be omitted from the character model.

"get your ass to mars" t-shirt when? lol

[viscid nebula]

[zealous hull]

I go to bed for 8 hours and wake up to rumble. I don't even know why I'm surprised anymore.

[blissful plaza]

Ready 2 Rumble day.

[spark granite]

Looking good for me on an NSO controller

[fair stump]

Completed THPS again but this time it's here for good with the controller pak

[spark granite]

do I have to do anything to get rumble?

ah maybe enable it 😄

working nicely!

[drowsy lantern]

Watching that latest @cerulean elk video. English question (from a non-native): Why is "genre" pronounced "genrah"? There's no "a" in the word. Fibre isn't prononced "fibrah". What gives?

[cerulean elk]

Haha I am not qualified to answer this question. You want someone experienced in linguistics

If I said it how I read it I’d say “Gean Ree”

[kind solar]

It’s from french

Genruh

Huh apparently basically means gender

[spark granite]

how does the cpak save work if a game saves on both the cart and the cpak?

[zinc dew]

Because “English”

[desert crow]

could be possible now that Robert added pak support, but it won't be today. There's still work to be done, I have to send and receive all the data one bit at a time.

[daring meteor]

The save is really fat

[fair stump]

The real question is what's up with the name Favre

[zinc dew]

Oh yeah dude not today at all. Take your time!!

Sorry for bugging you about it

[spark granite]

So both are in the same file?

[drowsy lantern]

It means both.

[daring meteor]

Yes

[spark granite]

right

[kind solar]

What’s your gender?

Jrpg

[spark granite]

so I guess the save files aren't compatible with Everdrive64 at this stage then

I have no idea how emulators handle that

[daring meteor]

Use head and tail linux commands to fix

[spark granite]

so they're easily split?

[daring meteor]

Yes

[spark granite]

cool

[quaint pewter]

Definitely something screwy with the saving on "Fushigi no Dungeon: Fūrai no Shiren 2: Oni Shūrai!". I've tried the japanese and the English translation and neither of them will keep functional saves. I've even tried renaming the rom to see if the filename was too long but still it won't create a functional save. I don't know if it's a bug in saving code or something else. Just telling my experience as all save types are in the core now and should work.

[daring meteor]

What type of save is it

[quaint pewter]

32k sram. you can back up to cpak too in the physical game (and on simple64 emulator) but the two save slots are in the 32k sram, or they are supposed to be. if you reload or reset it says the journals have disappeared.

I don't know what kind of problem it is, just reporting my findings and wondering if anyone else has tried to save the game.

[cerulean elk]

Yeah but you speak Texan

[zinc dew]

ahh yup

[cerulean elk]

“DangoldmisreritellyouwhatmanizzaFPGAthinalrightmanrememberthealamo”

Or maybe that’s just Boomhauer 😂

[iron dove]

Nah I think you're right https://youtu.be/xdyGfiIirD8

[hasty musk]

Does it work good?

[topaz otter]

How do you know someone is a n64 fan

They'll tell you

[spark granite]

what's the rumblepack setting in the system settings for?

[nimble needle]

Sounds like it's accurately recreating the Switch mode since my N64 NSO pad has the exact same problem on MiSTER

[zealous hull]

Can confirm I have the same issue. Rumble is working for other controllers, but not 8BitDo Modkit. Used latest NSO driver, paired in Switch mode, etc.

[zinc dew]

@cerulean elk gonna do an N64 video update today where you describe how rumble feels per game?

[zealous hull]

"And as you can't see, rumble is just 100% working." 😉

Love your videos, VGE. ❤️

[wanton sun]

yes, combined. normal save first, 4 x cpak behind

[radiant plank]

New joystick emulator works much better for me, using an 8Bitdo SF30 Pro. With regular version, the joystick range is way too high (almost going off screen), making some games like F1 Gran prix very difficult to play compared to my real N64. Now the joystick test is almost the same as original, and the same game plays very close to real hardware with the official controller.

Do these changes affects other cores as well ?

[cerulean elk]

Yep. Pop that controller down my pants and do a little shimmy to describe it

[safe robin]

does it make any difference if i have a cpak for each controller set compared to only have one in player1 ? Like file size or Loading Times change?

[cerulean elk]

Ill mention it but since it’s not really something you can “show” @zinc dew it’s not something I’ll super emphasize. I have a vid for 4 today. It’ll be in the description as “oh hey it also jiggles now”

[zealous hull]

Tell that to those rad Rumble Pak commercials from back in the day.

[zenith orchid]

has anyone noticed game compatibility/stability improving with the addition of these new features? I remember SRAM making a huge difference, I'm curious if there had been leaps in game compatibility with these last few updates

[hollow rune]

Do you have all these videos backed up? I feel like you, @fallen sparrow , and Lu are documenting the development of things people will want to look back on. They should at least be on some kind of physical medium that can be archived. Btw, is Lu in this Discord?

I know we also have @wanton sun's blogs and code

i alssume it is in a Git with like source control

[fallen sparrow]

Nah, I have most of it backed up on a cloud solution

[fallen sparrow]

Lu is on discord, but he's not very active

[wanton sun]

for the ease of handling, we decided to always store 4 cpaks and waste those 96kbyte if you only use 1

[hollow rune]

we also have Vampier's site

[safe robin]

ok thanks

[cerulean elk]

Most. Not all. I purge some things

They are all downloadable on YT though on my end

[hollow rune]

When the aliens find our destroyed civilization they will at least be able to play good video games on all the DE-10s lying around

[orchid nimbus]

aw you wrote my nick name right 🙂

[hollow rune]

Naturlich habe ich das richtig gemacht. Du, Nosferatu, und deine Familie wurde geärgert wenn nicht.

[cerulean elk]

It would be fun @hollow rune to do a “from x to y” vid on something like a N64. A timeline video of how we got to the end. So I’ve kept all my high res captures and exports or all this. Much to the detriment of available space 🤣

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune I'm not German 😛 and neither is the nick 😄

ich bin nicht die Vampir

[cerulean elk]

Doing Oktoberfest dinner tonight

[hollow rune]

Well I just made myself look silly

[orchid nimbus]

bratts und sauerkraut!

[cerulean elk]

Gonna go to the German butcher and buy an obscene amount of sausages. Potatoes from our own garden boiled with dill and oil, sauerkraut and boiled red cabbage with apple cider vinegar and spices

[hollow rune]

my spelling isn't the best...

[orchid nimbus]

I'm from that weird country to the west of Germany

[hollow rune]

Netherlands, that's right

[cerulean elk]

West GermVirginia

[hollow rune]

you said that

[orchid nimbus]

well orginally - I've been living in California now for almost 21 years

[hollow rune]

What do you do there?

[zenith orchid]

has anyone noticed game compatibility/stability improving with the addition of these new features? I remember SRAM making a huge difference, I'm curious if there had been leaps in game compatibility with these last few updates

[orchid nimbus]

living

[hollow rune]

That's all we can do sometimes.

[orchid nimbus]

I'm a climate refugee - I couldn't stand the cold rain and hot humid summers

[zenith orchid]

humidity is a bitch

[cerulean elk]

Move to Chicago. We have all the extremes

[hollow rune]

Munich is just rain...
I used to live in Missouri and it was just Humid and Hot and then cold in winter

and I was adopted in D.C. where it was also very hot

[zealous hull]

Missouri native here. Fairly happy I left.

STL/KC was cool though.

[cerulean elk]

104 in august at the beach, -25 in winter before wind chill

[orchid nimbus]

Missouri = misery?

[hollow rune]

STL has some of the best yums

Missouri = needs to figure out their shit cause they could be great

[zealous hull]

The place that invented fried ravioli can't have bad food.

[orchid nimbus]

pizza rolls? 😄

[zealous hull]

Nah, I'll go to bat for MO. It has its problems, but it's far from the worst state I've lived in. And it's home...

[zealous hull]

how. dare. you.

[hollow rune]

no the pizza in STL is very flat, has little sauce, and provel cheese

[hollow rune]

Definitely not the worst

[rapid harbor]

Which save type do you guys recommend for the system settings so it’s similar to saving in all the other cores?

[cerulean elk]

I want to move to California. My wife doesn’t. I want palm trees

[zealous hull]

I hope my state treated you well. ❤️

[orchid nimbus]

I look outside and see a bunch of those 😄

not going to take a picture because I'll dox myself 😄

[hollow rune]

I ate very well

Which is all to say, we have lots of great documentation of the MiSTer project and that is great

and Lu if you are active on here today, know that you, Smokemonster, and My Life in Gaming are the reason I am here

[zealous hull]

We have a database file that automatically selects the proper save type per game, if I understand your question correctly.

Please check the pins. Apologies if you meant something else.

[rapid harbor]

In the settings of the core there’s quite a few save type options so I’m not sure which one to select?

[zinc dew]

you shouldn't need to set any, the n64-database file will automatically select the right type of save the game needs

however if you play a game that requires a Controller Pak, you'll need to have that set

[rapid harbor]

Oh okay. That’s handy. Thanks guys.

[quaint pewter]

Are we not doing any kind of bug report yet? As I said above there is a game that doesn't save and it's in the database and should. I don't have a second opinion on it though, but I've tried it many times now.

[zinc dew]

You posting about it here and updating the Compatibility Tracker spreadsheet is the best bug reporting at the moment

Here's the link the spreadsheet - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8

[hollow rune]

It is so important. The more people contribute the more we can cover in depth as the core goes along

[zinc dew]

@hollow rune I forgot to mention. I absolutely loved your Quest 64 photos. If you have Twitter (X) you should reach out to the official Quest 64 twitter account - https://twitter.com/Quest64Official

Quest 64 Official (@Quest64Official)

The only account dedicated to letting people know what's fresh and new in the world of Quest 64, a game that hasn't changed for 20+ years.

Followers

11477

Tweets

21617

Twitter

Send it to him, I'm sure he'd love it

[hollow rune]

Already on my to-do list

[iron dove]

I just assumed he is you

[hollow rune]

I do want to add the depth thing is important. We are getting to the point where we gotta start seeing these game through to completion and the more people are contributing to the spreadsheet the more that can happen. Who knows how many of these games give up the goat at the end like OoT

[quaint pewter]

I have requested access to the sheet

[mellow path]

I've been dying for the OG OOT rom to start working (for randomizer), but still no luck. Bomberman 64, Goemon's Great Adventure, and Mischief Makers are 3 others I've been checking on each new build. No dice so far (but I'm patient 😉)

[hollow rune]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-win-mario-nintendo-gif-5470696

[orchid nimbus]

when the 1000 year door opens the N64 stops to exist

[zenith orchid]

@mellow path yeah I getcha, I still check harvest moon every time

[orchid nimbus]

it's so close 😄 I can feel the gameplay

[buoyant plume]

Rumble is working on the retro-bit Tribute 64 v2 (2.4ghz USB dongle). Had to change mode with Start + B for 5 second's. Two lights will show on the controller. Also had to map the controller again in the main menu and core. Only tried 1080 Snowboarding so far and it works fine.

[zinc dew]

Sincerely appreciate it friend. Helping improve this core is a community effort and it's awesome seeing people contribute. 🍻

[orchid nimbus]

if that support rumble (which it does) it will

[zinc dew]

y u hacking n64

[hollow rune]

I can check later

[orchid nimbus]

try harder

[fair stump]

Yes, mine rumbles

Try loading quake. It will prompt you for the rumble pak and each shotgun shot should rumble

[orchid nimbus]

what was that key combo in mister menu to test rumble

[mild ether]

E000E000

There is your problem. TLB address.

[buoyant plume]

Try changing mode's. Only have the pro 2 here, rumble works in switch pro mode.

[fair stump]

I have no idea which mode it is but I always connect with the start + X combo

[buoyant plume]

X will be xinput

[terse canyon]

i use a 8bitdo sn30 pro and when i put the controller in the mode to use the rumble it has to be re-paired when ever i reboot/power off the mister, anyone else have the same trouble?

[hollow rune]

xinput mode, and it is the only way I get the home button to work

also rumble works for me with this

[fair stump]

I have that issue sporadically. Re-pairing is pretty quick though so I don't necessarily mind

[surreal summit]

Yeah, nature of the beast I'm afraid.

[terse canyon]

the neogeo controller connects instantly aswell, where as this one can take 30 seconds or more

[hollow rune]

I just use the 8bitdo dongle and this makes my life really easy

[terse canyon]

now theres an idea as my v1 just sits on the shelf

[worn delta]

Yes, I played some rumbly 1080 earlier with my wired on 🙂

[dense chasm]

Do we still need the unstable mister for the joystick fix?

Got the NSO controller and want to give it a whirl 🙂

[fading mist]

Anyone else using an original N64 controller with the Reflex Adapt?? I feel like I might be the only one

[graceful radish]

No, there are hundreds of you 🙂

[quartz wedge]

What was broken? NSO controller worked for me when testing last night.

[worn delta]

Does rumble now work with OG controller and reflex?

[dense chasm]

Oh, without the unstable mister build, the stick was too sensitive

[remote hatch]

Dualshock 4 + rumble works fine 🙂

[fading mist]

@worn delta so far I haven't been able to get rumble to work with the latest cores

[graceful radish]

Reflex Adapt is like 4-5x faster than NSO online but doesn't have rumble... yet

[dense chasm]

Do you have latency #s for the nso controller?

Need to check the sheet!

[quartz wedge]

Should have announced before I sold off all my N64 gear :-p

[dense chasm]

Curious how the generic saffun controller does

[graceful radish]

I haven't published them yet. Still formulating a series of N64 related posts to do the controller honor

[quartz wedge]

Was playing with the reflex on NES the other night though. Feels great!

[fair stump]

I have one of those arriving today, crossing my fingers it's good

[graceful radish]

Thanks, Shane!

[quartz wedge]

Given how most zapper games work, seems like it could be possible to get that working with the reflex (or maybe it already does?)

[dense chasm]

I also have one, and it worked just fine for me. Curious what the latency numbers are compared to the NSO

[viral swift]

Too much N64 fun today 😁

[dense chasm]

Only "trick" was making sure to map the stick, otherwise it doesnt register up and down.

[graceful radish]

Maybe, though 1.5ms might be a little too slow for Zappers

You might have a better idea than me

[quartz wedge]

Oh, 1.5ms

[fading mist]

N64 and Reflex have been awesome so far..just waiting on some rumble 😎👍

[quartz wedge]

Hrm, it might work but wouldn't be reliable

[graceful radish]

Yeah, I didn't figure it would be

[dense chasm]

Do you need a saffun n64 controller for testing?

[quartz wedge]

Maybe I'll mess with it anyway assuming it gets detected at all

I'm worried to see the N64 NSO numbers

the SNES NSO controller was terrible 😦

The 6-button Genesis NSO controller felt much better but I don't have numbers

[faint grove]

Many games are not working for me, diddy kong racing, mario 64 , zelda ocarina & mask, paper mario, thay just stay black after loading

[terse canyon]

ive never understood this but in mario64 when peach writes her letter to mario saying come to the castle ive baked a cake for you, yours truly Princess toadstool "Peach" , i dont get the Peach part as mario would know who princess toadstool is

[lone geyser]

Maybe on a CRT but with the LCD hack?

[quartz wedge]

Was it just thrown in to align Japan and export names for Peach?

[orchid nimbus]

check the pins - good luck

[quartz wedge]

Was that the first time she was referred to as Peach in the states?

[vapid moat]

Never got to grow with Rumble Pak myself here - always rendered Stone of Agony to a literal load in my inventory that I wondered how to make it work

[terse canyon]

didnt the smb3 cartoons call her peach?

[vapid moat]

Nope, Princess Toadstool

[quartz wedge]

https://we-are-peach.fandom.com/wiki/Princess_Peach_Toadstool#Name

[topaz otter]

In Japanese, Peach was always known as "Princess Peach". But originally in America, Peach was known as "Princess Toadstool". When Super Mario 64 came around, they combined the names so that her full name is "Princess Peach Toadstool", but she just goes familiarly as "Peach".

[vapid moat]

Peach was interchangeably called either "Princess" or "Toadstool" until 64-era that helped to bring in her actual name

[vapid moat]

Huuh. So like, Dr.Robotnik to Eggman-situation

[hexed knot]

I wonder if they'll call her Peach in the Seven Stars remake, or if they'll go back to Toadstool.

[topaz otter]

i think they did this because zelda is also called "the princess"

[vapid moat]

Most likely they'll call her Peach there because not many really treat her old name with as much importance as say, "Dr.Robotnik"

[zinc dew]

Check the pins to make sure you’re grabbing the build + database the right way. Also Paper Mario doesn’t work and only the GameCube & Master Quest versions of Ocarina of Time work.

[zinc dew]

It was yeah

[kind solar]

I just copied the driver file over didn’t change to unstable

[zinc dew]

Yoshi’s Safari was the first time she was called Peach in the US

the dumb ass trivia I know

[terse canyon]

@quartz wedge well that answers that 😁

[topaz otter]

i love that he's called Eggman because he's a man shaped like an egg

[hexed knot]

Ah, yep.

[topaz otter]

also sonic team were huge beatles fans

I am the eggman, I am the walrus

[dense chasm]

I'm assuming this is for the nso controller? Does it keep the joystick values normal (90 instead of 120)?

[quartz wedge]

Oh, is the issue the values aren't at max range?

[dense chasm]

Before that unstable mister, my controllers were hitting 128 on the controller test. With it, like 90. Much less sensitive

[fallen sparrow]

does rumble work on NSO

[kind solar]

Yes for the nso. I copied it and it seems better

I didn’t really look into it besides that

[quartz wedge]

I had that issue when testing the Pro controller forever ago

[kind solar]

It’s less sensitive

[dense chasm]

Its basically 30% more touchy

[mortal panther]

"In 1993, the Western localization of Yoshi's Safari marked the first time that the name "Princess Peach" was used outside of Japan."

[dense chasm]

Nice!!

[quartz wedge]

Ah, I didn't test that yet

[vapid moat]

The scene in Adventure where Sonic calls him "Eggman" after he states his name as Dr.Robotnik felt such a fine character establishing moment between both (if you don't think too much about why Eggman names his vehicles/machines with various "Egg"-monikers anyway)

[topaz otter]

remember when luigi was just called "green mario"

[dense chasm]

Gonna give that a whirl later tonight. Havent messed with drivers, but i assume theres a folder to drop it into

[worn delta]

A quarter of a century later you are going to realise every time you bumbled into Kakariko town there was a secret hole below you the whole time...

[vapid moat]

The 3DS-version certainly blew my mind with that

[faint grove]

database?

[topaz otter]

whats better than the stone of agony is that stupid mask that when you press the B button it blows up

[hollow rune]

My dad had that game and said it was super confusing when he was a kid

[topaz otter]

and if you hide behind the shield it can't hurt you

[zinc dew]

Yeah, there’s an external text file you need called “N64-database.txt” that’s pulled as part of adding the N64 repository to your downloader.ini

[mild ether]

Kinda is just green Mario in the first games.

[zinc dew]

@faint grove Check here for info on how to do it - #1096015979055697940 message

[zinc dew]

It does, someone confirmed earlier

[topaz otter]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a9/7b/65/a97b65ea49a55b1837ede8ced7828631.jpg

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks Robby

[mild ether]

Kinda strange they named the game about two brothers after only one of them although.

[topaz otter]

well mario's canon name is Mario Mario

and Luigi is Luigi Mario

[mild ether]

Clearly Luigi was adopted and not loved by his parents.

[mortal panther]

Mama Mario never loved Luigi.

[hollow rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MNEF7kjf9s

[mortal panther]

Oh wow... are we considering that movie canon? 😄

[mild ether]

Makes more sense it's their last name. But obviously Luigi wasn't loved since he didn't get the last name as his first.

[orchid nimbus]

you can't have 2 kids with the same name!

[hexed knot]

Rumble working great for the 8bitdo SN30 pro+ on X-Input.

[mortal panther]

Sure you can. "Hey you!"

[quartz wedge]

What's the database do exactly?

[mortal panther]

Automatically sets the various parameters in the System Settings sub menu.

[zinc dew]

It identifies several things about the cart the game used like the CIC chip and type of save memory used.

[mortal panther]

CIC type, save type, which Paks are supported for each game, etc.

[quartz wedge]

Ah, gotcha

[mortal panther]

Yeah, what he said. 🙂

...that is, if you have it set to auto-detect in that menu. That's when it uses that database file.

[zinc dew]

It also gives me your CC number

[quartz wedge]

Yeah, I think I saw the error message for that when playing.

[mortal panther]

Yep!

Wait, what?

[quartz wedge]

Jokes on you, it's already maxed out this month.

[graceful radish]

Do you have a link?

[graceful radish]

Wired is worse than wireless 😦

[dense chasm]

This is the one I grabbed: Multi-Device Enhanced Wireless Controller, 2.4 GHz with USB Receiver, Compatible with Windows Laptop PC iOS Mac Raspberry Pi, Switch/NSO - (Rechargeable) (Plug and Play) Gray https://a.co/d/eAD12No

[quartz wedge]

Uh oh

[zinc dew]

LOL how does that happen?

that’s so crazy

[graceful radish]

At least the NSO build quality is good

Plastic is nice and thicc

[craggy kettle]

rats, no rumble on my wireless Nexigo switch pro controller

[dense chasm]

Bt is handy, too

This one is 2.4g

[quartz wedge]

Yeah, it felt nice

[mild ether]

Is it 50 dollars good?

[quartz wedge]

Felt much nicer than the old N64 controllers I had before

[dense chasm]

Build quality-wise, yes

[quartz wedge]

But I probably just needed to source some better ones

[sinful kayak]

What's the point of Mod Kit of 8bitDo Mod kit for controller? It's basically PCB swapping, they could sell whole thing with their own case like other controllers.

[zinc dew]

You can also order just the stick portion by itself

[quartz wedge]

Huh, the chart says the SNES NSO controller is only 15.6ms

[mild ether]

On the fence about getting one. Really only use case is on PC or MiSTer and I already have original controllers.

[quartz wedge]

It felt way worse when testing it with an actual Switch

[dense chasm]

The cheapo n64 controller is still decently made, especially for the price. If it has lower latency, then that would definitely give it the edge

[graceful radish]

I think the Switch polls at 8ms

Can't do 1ms

[quartz wedge]

I wonder if the SFC NSO is different too

[tough wigeon]

I ran into a similar issue implementing support for NES saves and Zelda writing to the NV RAM memory quite frequently. Ultimately I optimized the problem by checking if there were any actual changes being made to the memory, and also only allowing actual writes every few seconds to avoid thrashing the poor SD card. TL&DR; Cached delay line to de-bounce the accesses.

[mortal panther]

I would love to see the numbers on the NSO N64 controller. Just curious to know. It won't affect my opinion of it much, as I really enjoy using it... as much as that shape can be enjoyed.

Certainly feels the part.

[runic cliff]

Rumble works very well on an original N64 Gamepad via Bliss-Box Gamer Pro Advance (USB)! Tested on RR64 😉

[dense chasm]

Yeah this is one of those times where the necessity of having the controller is worth a little lag

[quartz wedge]

With the average N64 game frame rate maybe it doesn't matter 🙂

[dense chasm]

And sadly I can't really use wired controllers with my mister setup

[zinc dew]

That’s probably true tbh lol

[mortal panther]

Adds to the overall experience, since controllers have become largely homogenous over the last several years. When you held a N64 controller, you knew exactly which games you were about to play. That's great for adding to the authenticity.

[mild ether]

Was a sai an inspiration for the shape of the N64 controller?

[mortal panther]

Yep

And when you dishonored your family's legacy, you could stab yourself with it.

[quartz wedge]

Dishonored them by not buying a Sega Saturn instead.

[mild ether]

Maybe the punishment was just using it as a controller.

[topaz otter]

Pretty sure in gex64 its in single digits most of the time

[topaz otter]

Its an M

[mild ether]

But why?

[topaz otter]

Nintendos mascot

Moneymaker mike

[chrome quest]

Not followed chat today, but just tested the core with Raphnet USB adapter. Rumble Pak works fantastic! Thanks as always Robert

[mild ether]

Looks like a sai or at least I always thought so.

[topaz otter]

They should have made it look like a samurai sword

So you could execute people that bought the saturn

[graceful radish]

One of my favorite controllers of all time

Never had more fun gaming than playing N64 multiplayer

Maybe playing Halo 2

[quartz wedge]

Need that Onimusha 3 sword controller

[native mesa]

It's an alien hand.

[orchid nimbus]

total recall

[quartz wedge]

Yeah, when my friends and I would walk home from the bus stop we'd stop at another friends house who was homeschooled but owned an N64

great times

I begged my parents for one but we were too poor heh

[mild ether]

The duke or S?

[native mesa]

Yeah luckily I had an older brother that had a job at a pet store he could buy games with

[topaz otter]

I have a pair of these somewhere

[quartz wedge]

We had some pretty fun LAN parties though. but like 2 hours of that was setup each time.

[native mesa]

I got a PS1 with my paper route money

Then a PS2

[wanton sun]

i would say glover improved compared to the black graphics before, but not yet there 😅

[native mesa]

Psychadellic Glover

[topaz otter]

Glover in acidland

[mortal panther]

Looks good to me. 😄

[mild ether]

I bought a ps1 by selling herbal products.

[mortal panther]

I don't see a problem with this.

[lament escarp]

Looks normal to, you on drugs?

[native mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/psychedelic-kitty-cat-flowers-gif-15476578

[hexed knot]

Anything is better than current Night Mode Glover.

[graceful radish]

Either but the S was nice

[graceful radish]

I got a PSX and my friend got an N64. He was right haha

But I didn't ever have many games

Maybe that's why I love revisiting them so much

[deft tree]

I had both and definitely played my PSX way more overall

[native mesa]

I'll take PSX over N64

[deft tree]

but i also definitely played a ton of 64 for a couple years while it was fresh

[mortal panther]

Ended up getting my N64 3 days early due to a Toys R Us goof. Still got the cheap-ass duffle bag from the pre-order.

[hexed knot]

Current glover, for those wondering about the difference.

[viscid gate]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/olIAAOSwB0lk8ESk/s-l1600.jpg
If anyone's tempted by one of these adapters as a cheapish way to connect original controllers, note they sort of work but:
*Only responds in PC mode
*If 2 controllers are connected, inputs are combined in Pad 1
*Analog range seems to max at 80
*C buttons have to be mapped as analog stick 2

[fair stump]

Only had an n64 but it was the better option because of all the multiplayer and having a bunch of brothers

[daring meteor]

Oooooooh, new texture modes, was hoping this would come next haha

Especially glad to see it so quickly

[wanton sun]

it's actually one of the texture modes that are "not recommended"....

[daring meteor]

I had a feeling

A game entirely in YUV sounds far fetched

[wanton sun]

also it freezes random, so my motivation to dig deeper is low

[languid dune]

I'm shaking with excitement to try out today's core update!

[daring meteor]

RSP do be funny

[daring meteor]

No you're Rumbling with excitement

[languid dune]

That was the joke!

[silent marten]

Did the changes to Glover fix anything else?

[dense chasm]

@graceful radish if you need a controller for testing, let me know. I could send you mine to check out if you weren't planning on getting one

[bitter fjord]

so, I tested the 8bitdo controller with Hall effect stick on a real n64 and here is the result

[worn delta]

Crossing fingers next texture updates will make Harvest Moon playable, itching to get a farming 🙂

[bitter fjord]

it is connected in switch mode on a blueretro adapter

that's the OEM stick if anyone wonders

[fair stump]

I'm waiting for extreme g to not be invisible 😆

[languid dune]

I'm waiting to get through Mischief Makers' title screen!

[worn delta]

That one not TLD?

[daring meteor]

I'll be checking out Mario Kart 64

Browsers castle

[proud tundra]

Nso rumbles wirelessly yay!

[graceful radish]

I might grab one to test 🙂

Thank you though

[stuck summit]

I wonder about the input lag in these

[orchid nimbus]

@graceful radish's MiSTer controller collection must be huge 😄

[graceful radish]

It's a wall at this point

I have a bin per system

Just got samples of Virtual Boy adapters for Reflex too

They're very nice

[mortal panther]

eBay: "Lot of various game controllers. Tested/Working (sort of)"

[deft tree]

mine is getting pretty out of hand too

[marble cargo]

"Condition: Acceptable"

[deft tree]

I scored a minty sega phaser for $10 last night unexpectedly at the MTG shop

still had the plastic peel on one of the side logos

[orchid nimbus]

w t f

why

[lament escarp]

I actually like that.

[iron dove]

Moe: it's po mo
Homer: ?
Moe: post modern
Homer: ?
Moe, begrudgingly: wierd for the sake of wierd

[languid dune]

Damnit, anime has ruined me. I pronounced Moe's name as "mo-ay".

[paper orchid]

Everytime I hear mo-ay all I can think of is Travis Touchdown from No More Heroes rofl

[sinful kayak]

Is it normal that only FPS counter appers when opening core? I have to manually press the menu button to core to show up. Nes core for example pops right up when opning the core.

[hasty kayak]

I think its an issue with MiSTer Main that affects NSO and 8bitdo N64 Kit controllers which I hope gets sorted.

[remote hatch]

yes, it's normal

[sinful kayak]

Okay very good. 👍

[thick terrace]

any new games work with today's core?

[quaint pewter]

New games rumble if that helps.

[zealous hull]

Curious if anybody else on the latest unstable is having issues getting rumble to work with the 8BitDo Mod Kit?

[hasty kayak]

Use Switch Mode instead of D Mode.

[zealous hull]

I'm afraid I am.

[hasty kayak]

However... you are then likely to have issues with MiSTer Main not recognizing the controller on next boot-up and you have to keep re-pairing it.

[hasty kayak]

Ah ok mine works fine in Switch Mode. I get Rumble in the N64 Core without issue.

[zealous hull]

Very strange. Just updated to latest unstable--as I thought that could be my problem--but not so.

And I'm using the zImage_dtb that was posted in this channel not too long ago.

Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

[hot spoke]

I can't map the left and down C buttons with this thing unfortunately. Did it work for you?

[hasty kayak]

I am using the same zImage_dtb file too.

[zealous hull]

Thanks for confirming it works. Puzzling.

[ocean lily]

sounds like a good hot-swap button combo option

[hasty kayak]

Make sure Rumble is set to on in System Settings too in the Core.

[surreal summit]

Pretty sure this is up to the core developer. PSX for example does not open the menu.

[sinful kayak]

PSX boots to memorycard main menu.

[surreal summit]

That is the BIOS, N64 has no BIOS screen.

[zealous hull]

No such luck, I'm afraid. But I appreciate the suggestions.

I'll figure it out sooner or later, I'm sure. Was just hoping to try to sort it out on my lunch break.

I'm not really a rumble fan anyway. 🙂 But better to have it and not need it.

[wanton sapphire]

How is possible to use controllertest without the restore savestate menu option? I have a black screen...

[hasty kayak]

I just wish the rumble would work in the "Other" Mode.

[devout leaf]

This was my result with the new Hall Effect stick.

Not the whole kit I just replaced the stick

[devout leaf]

I had to do controller on actual hardware.

[weary palm]

looks good, albeit a bit off center

[nimble needle]

Yep looks like it. Saw nothing suspicious when I tail-ed the Mister Linux logs.

[wanton sun]

the controllertest works without savestate now, make sure cic is set to 6102

[vapid hawk]

should rumble/cp be able to work on snac now? when (if) we get a new snac build

[wanton sun]

as far as i know, blue1s snac implementation is standalone for pads only

[wanton sapphire]

Thanks Robert!

[zealous hull]

Went back to stable main just to test rumble on mod kit. Still no luck. Very very strange.

[quick arch]

Is your system settings on osd the rumble is on ?

You need to check after loading the rom

[native mesa]

Someone else was having issues. Those have different modes I believe. Read the manual and try some? I think there's usually at least switch mode and xinput mode

[surreal summit]

Tested with another core with force feedback to see if it works there? (I don't know if this applies, just throwing out troubleshooting suggestions.)

[native mesa]

They are triggered by turning it on with different button combos usually

[zealous hull]

This is a N64 Modkit, as far as I'm aware, the only modes it has are chosen by the toggle switch on the back. I have tried both of those.

[zealous hull]

This is the one thing I haven't done, but I think I know the outcome. I'm getting rumble on other controllers, just not this one.

[native mesa]

I'd read back to this morning someone solved it with the 8bitdo mod kit. Or found a workaround at least

Sorry I can't point ya directly

[zealous hull]

No worries. Pretty sure it was Dave'sGameRoom, and he helped me troubleshoot earlier. 😅

It's fine. I know the driver is a WIP anyway. Maybe it will update to allow reconnecting without repairing/reconfiguring and I'll be able to troubleshoot faster. Until then, I'll just use other controllers if I want rumble.

Thanks everybody!

[unkempt elm]

Very cool completing the first stage of Starfox64 with rumble, the way it was meant to be.

[graceful radish]

I can get into the other test rom too but it freezes after a few seconds. Progress! https://github.com/wermipls/mimi

[drowsy lantern]

Make sure you didn't do the same mistake as I did: If you right-click save on the file on GitHub, it actually downloads the webpage, not the file. You have to click on the file and then use the download raw option.

[visual mortar]

Hello guys, anyone have rumble running with n64 8bitdo modkit?

[hasty kayak]

Yes. Me

In Switch Mode Rumble works fine. But MiSTer Main won't re-connect to my controller upon a reboot.

[surreal summit]

cc @zealous hull

[uneven dagger]

Weird, my modkit controller is in switch mode, connects on reboot and rumble doesn't work

[hasty kayak]

I need to word this better. Mine will appear to connect "Solid Blue Light" but the controls don't do anything on the Menu....

If I then pair the controller again, it works.

[uneven dagger]

Mine's not like that. It just connects and can be used. Seems to connect faster than my other 8bitdo controller as well

[surreal summit]

Pair, or just reconnect? I ask because I have to power cycle the SN30 Pro+.

[uneven dagger]

Hmmm. If I do a cold reboot, I have to power cycle it to reconnect. But I never have to BT pair it

If I just warm reboot, it remains connected

[languid dune]

It's crazy how authentic the rumble in the NSO controller feels. So good.

[hasty kayak]

pair. Power cycling doesn't work. I get a solid light on the controller. Doesn't control the menu at all.

[wanton sapphire]

That was the problem, thanks!

[vapid moat]

Too bad it's not easy to afford

[fair stump]

The Saffun controller I just got 🤣 I look forward to sticking scaling and clamping coming getting a wide release

[oblique remnant]

So @chrome quest is the raphnet rumblin?

[fair stump]

Has rumble worked with your controller? Trying to figure out why I'm not getting any so far

[silent marten]

It works with my Dualsense

[fair stump]

I'm asking specifically for the saffun because that's what they have as well

[visual wadi]

You need to switch the saffun from d input to x input

It’s covered in the manual

[fair stump]

The manual is like two pages 😆

[visual wadi]

Haha yeah

The leaflet

[lament escarp]

Try mapping the c buttons as 2nd stick in main first. Similar issue with the 8bitdo modkit in dinput mode.

[silent marten]

Ahh I misread I thought you said any controller hehe

[knotty zealot]

uh... strict moderating much

i guess somebody's tired of that rpg

[visual wadi]

The right mode lights up 2 leds on the controller rather than 1

[fair stump]

Ahh good to know, thanks!

[lone geyser]

エルテイル モンスターズ?

[fair stump]

Works perfect now 👍

[visual wadi]

Heck yeah

[lone geyser]

Are the buttons on that controller decent enough? Not terribly mushy?

Also I assume there's a reason the Hyperkin Admiral has been absent from the discussion?

[visual wadi]

I think the admiral sucks

[calm anvil]

my NSO n64 controllers come today... im pumped to test them out

[lone geyser]

Would have guessed as much, lol. Just wanted to verify

[kind nimbus]

Can't get rumble Working on today's release with Tribute 64

Playing Starfox

[visual wadi]

Probably need to switch the mode it’s in

[desert nest]

Sorry for the late reply --
Is this the case even when there is no existing combo save (cart + cpak) on the SD card for a given game (e.g., first-time load for a game)? Seems in this case it would be safe to assume a new set of cpaks are needed unless I'm misunderstanding something. I thought the intended behavior was something like:

• If there is no combo save on game load, then a new one would be created.
• If there is a combo save on game load, then load the cpaks from that.

[kind nimbus]

@visual wadi which should it be in?

[mortal panther]

I think you'll be very pleased with how they perform and feel.

[visual wadi]

Not what you have it in now lol

[calm anvil]

I bought 4 of the dumb things lmao

so I hope so

[mortal panther]

Wow

[calm anvil]

I bought 1 month of NSO sub to buy them lol

aint doing that again

[dreamy ridge]

am i missing something in star fox? i've gotten to the third level, and when i look at the map there's a little star circling around the levels i've beaten, but it doesn't let me continue on a fresh startup. do you really have to beat the game in one shot?

[calm anvil]

picked up their NES 2 pack and 2x of their SNES controllers too

the FOMO is real lmao

[mortal panther]

Apparently 😄

[calm anvil]

paid $4 or whatever for one month of NSO

[mortal panther]

I'm completely happy with 8BitDo's SNES offerings, so I'm good there.

[lone geyser]

https://youtu.be/_sWXfEb6Qgg?si=ezSXQLkEsESTj_ay

Around 8:30 he lag tests it

[calm anvil]

yeah I am too but "OEM" lmao

[lone geyser]

5ms using the USB receiver

[dreamy ridge]

i've literally never seen the NSO *n64 controllers in stock, i bought 2 for $160 on ebay and probably got hosed lol

[calm anvil]

arent they still available now?

I paid $218.96 shipped for 4

[mortal panther]

I got tired of waiting for it to be in stock on NSO and ended up spending $90 on Amazon for mine.

I feel dirty... but ultimately I don't regret it. It's a nice controller.

[dreamy ridge]

well i'll be damned. i checked for like 2 years straight and they were always sold out lol

[calm anvil]

yeah thats why I splurged lmao

[dreamy ridge]

seriously, it's as close as i'm gonna get to time traveling to 1996 🤣

[calm anvil]

like I said FOMO right here

controllers imho are always a great investment

cant ever own too many... right?

[fair stump]

I'm just curious but would it have been possible to get a used OG one from Facebook marketplace and mod it or something for that price?

[deft tree]

Yes

[calm anvil]

I have 5x OG controllers

[deft tree]

You could get a good Og controller and SNAX adapter for $90

[calm anvil]

the mod is like $10 less a pop for them ($40 vs $50) for the 8bitdo combo

[mortal panther]

looks up and tries to count how many people are having trouble with their modded N64 controllers 😉

[plush summit]

OH YEAH? I have SIX

Not even joking lol

[calm anvil]

well I lied, one of mine is some 3rd party one I bought 20 years ago

pelican?

looks like this

[plush summit]

Oh, I have 6 NES controllers, only 2 N64 😛

[calm anvil]

so I got 4 OG ones 😛

so you lied to me even worse lmao

[plush summit]

Yeah, I lost track and didn't know which ones you were talking about

[plush summit]

I had to butt in with the 6 controller brag

[calm anvil]

im tempted to pick up these for my OG N64... but I feel like this core will make my s-video everdrive n64 feel obsolete soon

https://8bitmods.com/n64-blueretro-bt-controller-receiver-with-memory-pak-original-grey/

[mortal panther]

Well I was impressed... for a few seconds.

It was a good flex

[calm anvil]

I got those SNES and NES classic controllers too

[hasty kayak]

Ok this is all over the place (not the Core but MiSTer Main and this N64 8bitdo Mod Kit).

For some reason when I press C-Down in a game... it brings up the OSD!!!

I have remapped the controls so they are correct.. but it STILL brings up the OSD!!

[calm anvil]

looks at this again

[hasty kayak]

So I have rumble but C-Down isn't usable as it opens up the OSD when I press it!!!

[calm anvil]

come to daddy

[hasty kayak]

This will be because of MiSTer Main needing to be updating to support these Controllers.

[mortal panther]

Those NSO N64 controllers just feel... right.
I'm still glad I got the Brawler 64 though. I love that thing.

[calm anvil]

to get the NSO bluetooth to work you need that one file right?

[mortal panther]

The unstable zImage file? Yeah, I think so.

[calm anvil]

and not just any unstable, its has to be that one right?

[mortal panther]

I haven't tried Bluetooth yet though. I need to try that soon.

[hearty oar]

Nah you can use the latest unstable Linux

[hasty kayak]

That doesn't work with the 8BitDo Mod Kit so sounds like we need something else.

[calm anvil]

#unstable-nightlies message so this will work?

[mortal panther]

They're all cumulative.

[calm anvil]

to use that you just rename the old file to .bak and copy that over right?

[inner bronze]

NSO SNES controllers havent been in stock in EU For ages 😦

N64 still is though I think

[hasty kayak]

It doesn't work "Properly" with the 8BitDo Modkit I should say.

[mortal panther]

I just deleted my old one first, then copied over the new one.
WinSCP, for what that's worth.

[calm anvil]

I am just using a SD card reader

cuz im too lazy to use ftp right now

[mortal panther]

That that will definitely work. lol

[dreamy ridge]

i didn't know that existed, looks amazing. what are people saying about them, especially the control stick?

[hearty oar]

Can just replace it in that case

[mortal panther]

I use FTP because I'm lazy. 🤣

[calm anvil]

how far is your mister from your pc?

mines like 6 ft

[mortal panther]

Sits right next to me.

[calm anvil]

lmao thats more lazy than I

[mortal panther]

All of it within reach.

The less I have to physically handle something delicate like that, the better.

[calm anvil]

the sd card?

or the reader?

or the mister?

[mortal panther]

SD card

[calm anvil]

ah

[hasty kayak]

I am using my original Stick because its in good shape and it feels exactly as it should (a BlueTooth N64 Controller as if Nintendo made it that way). The shame is that in D INPUT Mode it works brilliantly but no Rumble in the Core (not because of the Core but because of MiSTer Main).

However, when in Switch Mode, you can pair it, you will get rumble but things don't work properly. C-Down will bring up the OSD even if you remap the buttons correctly.

When I power off my MiSTer and the Controller, then power both back on, the Controller will show a Solid Blue Light as if its connected BUT when you try and control the Menu.. NOTHING happens...

[calm anvil]

tbh I need a new SD card... using some old 512gb one I bought years back... I want a 1tb now

with the saturn core and this now... its eating lots of space

I wonder how long it will be until the saturn core supports CHD files... that will help a lot

[little socket]

having curated sets means less scrolling through the menu

[hot spoke]

Thanks. Will try that out!

[hearty oar]

That won’t be because of MiSTer main, that will be because it doesn’t have proper Linux drivers

The Linux kernel had all the drivers for various controllers

[hasty kayak]

Ah that makes more sense 🙂

[lament escarp]

Personally I enjoy the 8bitdo modkits for nes, snes and n64 controllers. Is also kinda OEM when you think about it.

[hearty oar]

Unfortunately re. Switch mode, the Linux driver has issues with all third party controllers right now afaik, something about how it tries to initialise them looks to be totally broken

[carmine kettle]

pretty good i got one of these with 8bitdo diy n64 but rumble is damage waiting for replacement

[carmine kettle]

change the mode to s -> d

[hasty kayak]

I have the SNES and NES mod kits too and they are great 🙂

[hasty kayak]

Yes it works in D Mode but no rumble.

[chrome quest]

Raphnet adapter rumble working perfectly! Highly recommended for a non-snac way to use original controllers and Rumble Pak with low lag (presumably, not MiSTer tested but Raphnets are pretty solid)

[lament escarp]

I'm not even sure dinput supports rumble in general. Dunno why they didn't offer a xinput mode, like with most of their controllers.

[oblique remnant]

nice thx for testing

[chrome quest]

I've been offline alot. How are people finding support generally? Any other options to use original Rumble Paks working?

[vapid moat]

Just found out that Rumble Pak isn't compatible with Mayflash USB Adapter

[carmine kettle]

it should work if blueretro receiver and s input mode rumble

my rumble doesnt work waiting on replacement

[lament escarp]

Right now I have my n64 controller paired in both dinput and sinput mode, dinput for casual, rumble free gameplay and sinput for testing rumble, when it's worth the bother of re-pairing.

[brisk edge]

A huge chunk of the library boots, games are starting to look accurate, and for the games that are stable or are mostly stable they play quite well.

[carmine kettle]

bluetooth?

[lament escarp]

Yes.

[carmine kettle]

s-input mode the c-down doesnt work on mine open up osd

[lament escarp]

Map them as second stick in mister main, then they work fine in the core.

[hearty oar]

Sorry I was on mobile earlier and didn’t follow your link, but remembered that people had been confusing mister main and Linux kernel…for the controller you need this: #unstable-nightlies message

(That is built on top of the n64 NSO patch, don’t worry that it says Mega Drive)

[surreal summit]

The issues I was having with the 8BitDo SN30 Pro+ re: analog triggers interfering with the stick, was solved by doing a factory reset in the 8BitDo ultimate software. Weird because it wasn't happening when connected to Switch, computer, or any other cores. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot spoke]

Even if I try to map C to Stick 2 down and left don't register with this adapter. But it's okay, I got 2 wireless Tribute 64 and 4 NSO controllers. Thanks anyway!

[calm anvil]

where does this go/what does it need to be named?

[hearty oar]

In the linux directory in the root of your SD card, replace your existing zImage_dtb

[calm anvil]

ty

if I run update-all it will break all this correct?

[hearty oar]

I don’t think it will break the Linux kernel at least, by the time a new one released it’ll have those changes anyway

[calm anvil]

is there any reason to be on mister unstable for the mister file?

[lament escarp]

This will do nothing new for the modkit right?

[hearty oar]

Sadly no

[hearty oar]

You should grab the unstable mister main in the pinned post to fix the controller range and sensitivity, which sadly will get smashed by update_all afaik

[zinc dew]

I ordered that saffun controller but in black because I am cool

[calm anvil]

is that different than the one I linked?

[hearty oar]

Yes, it’s built on changes that haven’t been committed to the main repo yet

[hasty kayak]

There are performance issues with some games.

[calm anvil]

so basically to use this N64 controller correctly anytime I run update-all I need to copy over those 2 files to return them to the correct state then?

hopefully that gets updated soon 🙂

[hearty oar]

Just that one file, mister main - Linux you can leave and update all won’t touch it, if that wasn’t clear

[kind solar]

Why does the mister main file need to be copied? I didn’t do that

[hasty kayak]

That sorts out the Range of the Joystick.

[kind solar]

Hm ok

[lament escarp]

Why hasn't that been committed to main yet? I've been using it for at least a month and it works fine.

[calm anvil]

sorry, you did say that, I just I guess dont personally understand how the script decides what to replace and what not to replace

so thats why it didnt click lol

[weary beacon]

it updates files with the latest stable versions. If you're using an unstable version, it's going to overwrite it when a new stable comes out.

[calm anvil]

so just so my brain computes all this: [n64_dev]
db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/db/db.json.zip runs when you run update-all, but then that breaks the mister file and you gotta replace it after each run

[hearty oar]

It will update it eventually, but anything in #unstable-nightlies is committed to the main repositories, meaning the stable build that update_all pulls will have those changes eventually

So it will replace it with what you already have

[calm anvil]

right, in due time

[hearty oar]

Things from eg. #test-builds may not necessarily be committed yet, or things like the unstable mister main in this channel, so if update_all pulls a new version of that file it may not have those changes

That’s the difference here

[cerulean elk]

N64 vid in an hour, now with 100% more YOU KNOW WHAT 64

[calm anvil]

would be nice if the update-all script did the saturn builds too 🙂

[lament escarp]

Thank you. I love you. ❤️

[calm anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/america-welcome-to-costco-i-love-you-gif-16881770

those jerks didnt even ring my doorbell... NSO N64 CONTROLLER TIME!!!

[quasi storm]

Anyone try rumble in rush 2049? It only seems to detect it if you plug rumble into controller 2 as well.

[mortal panther]

$200+ of Nintendo-y goodness... and no signature required??

[little socket]

at least you got a picture

[mortal panther]

Proof that it was there... before porch thieves.

[calm anvil]

I paid for the cheap shipping lol, but its next day shipping since I live like 1 hour or less from their warehouse

well the shipping was "free" if you spent over $50

[mortal panther]

...or the delivery person set it down, took a picture of it, then picked it up and put it back in the truck to take home. 😄

[calm anvil]

and 4 sealed boxes in a box

"nintendo"

the mister is making me buy lots of controllers lately, I just picked up the M30 saturn colored controllers yesterday too

[lament escarp]

Yeah keep posting pics of those controllers and I'll order them even though I already have the 8bitdo modkits for all of them.

[calm anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/futile-is-resistance-gif-24174115

I dont even want to open it lmao

[little socket]

do it

[mortal panther]

M30 is one of my favorites so far.

[little socket]

not doing so would mean its existence is irrelevant

[calm anvil]

these are amazing

tried them out on the saturn/segacd/32x/new genesis core (along with neo geo)

[carmine kettle]

for saturn using blueretro adapter

[lament escarp]

In europe there are only the black ones. Didn't want to import again, else I would've also bought the pc engine controller, which apparently isn't sold in europe either.

[little socket]

are their current bt controllers still laggy?

[calm anvil]

from the chart its like 1ms worse than the 2.4

I didnt try them BT yet, only wired

didnt want the 2.4 adapter since if you lose the usb end you are F'd

oh nice these come with usb-c to usb-a cables

man this thing feels like the real thing

[carmine kettle]

idk it feels good using the receiver and m30 on saturn core

[mortal panther]

Same ones I have have, just in black. The D-pad is sublime. It's almost identical to the Saturn and Genesis 6-button D-pads.

[calm anvil]

felt amazing in KOF when I tested it last night

nothing tops that OG controller feeling imho

[languid dune]

I also have two M30s. One black and one white.

Amazing controllers.

[mortal panther]

Although... if I had one complaint, it's that they missed a huge opportunity to make the X, Y, and Z buttons the same size as A, B, and C.

[surreal summit]

New ones have USB-C? I got a 2.4GHz and if has Micro.

[eternal ravine]

I have two of the black M30s, but only one has that looseness that is great for SFII

[languid dune]

I also recommend the NSO Genesis controller. It's super good.

[calm anvil]

ya, atleast the white BT does

[mortal panther]

My older black one does.

[lament escarp]

My black one is also usb c

[calm anvil]

if I didnt have these 2 M30 whites I would... but that feels redundant at this point

[mortal panther]

Wait, didn't you say something about not having too many controllers? 😉

[calm anvil]

well those things are overpriced as well imho

shut it

[mortal panther]

lol

[calm anvil]

😛

[languid dune]

But it has that OG Genesis feel!!

[mortal panther]

See? That!

[calm anvil]

stop

I never owned a OG Genesis

[weary beacon]

I am lucky and own 2 of each and buyed at normal prices

[languid dune]

Doooo it!

[mortal panther]

I mean, you do want that, right? 😉

[hearty oar]

I like the NSO Mega Drive controller a lot, but man those laggy Nintendo Switch innards

[mortal panther]

I haven't even used any NSO controllers on the Switch yet. 😄

[hearty oar]

At least with n64 you don’t notice as much lol

[eternal ravine]

Never really cared for the OG Genesis controller, but the larger size is good

6-button rules tho

[calm anvil]

those at the bottom are 3rd party right?

[weary beacon]

No, japanese NSO 6 button Mega Drive.

[hearty oar]

Nah those are Japanese variants

[mortal panther]

Same as others, just 6-button versions. Japan only.

[chrome quest]

Just confirmed the same thing. Odd. Core menu swap CPAK to Rumble on Pad 1 had no effect. Made Pad 2 also Rumble, now it works. After that I disabled Pad 2, set back to "NONE". Pad 1 Rumble still works.
I experienced switch a little but the game core started to freeze up. No idea how you thought to try Pad 2 Rumble to get it working, well spotted

[mortal panther]

...I think

[calm anvil]

ah

tbh I was using my SN30 pro wired for all my games mainly till I was like....saturn doesnt feel right with this... and neither does n64..

[cerulean elk]

Oh I meant Elmo 🤣

[languid dune]

Nooooo!

[calm anvil]

the M30 feels like the perfect saturn controller for me, has all the correct buttons

[languid dune]

The cruelty is real.

[cerulean elk]

Haha no it’s Brian based

[calm anvil]

I only played on the saturn probably like 3 or so times back in the day and mostly sonic jam

[mortal panther]

I've been using this for almost all MiSTer cores for a while now.

Love the feel and low latency

[calm anvil]

lacks analog for ps1 tho

[surreal summit]

That looks like it rules.

[mortal panther]

PS1 doesn't need analog, but it can 'emulate' left or right sticks if it needs to.

[calm anvil]

I mean...

[mortal panther]

That's what DualShock 3/4 and DualSense is for though.

[quasi storm]

And then there is this Brawler64 Bluetooth controller that has its own issues to compound...

[languid dune]

But what about the PS2 core!?

[calm anvil]

thats a whole different controller at that point then

[mortal panther]

I said I use it for almost all cores. 🙂

[eternal ravine]

@mortal panther
As someone who has played SFII series since arcade launch, I could not get this controller to do what I wanted

[lone geyser]

Doxxed. No point deleting now. I've already got your address, primary credit card number, social security, blood type, porn preferences, and the names of your first 7 children (most of which aren't born yet) thanks to the image enhancing algorithm ChatGPT wrote up for me

[surreal summit]

Call me when you can play through all of Ape Escape with it.

[calm anvil]

thank you fedex for your blurry ass photo

[hearty oar]

ChatGPT, zoom and temporal enhance 😎

[lament escarp]

Dang, you guys work for csi: miami or something?

[lone geyser]

GPTSI: Miama

[chrome quest]

Managed to get a 40 error code crash swapping Paks. Had crashed separately during gameplay but I forgot to enable the error overlay.
Have you (or anyone else) found San Francisco Rush 2049 to crash in play, perhaps even on other builds?

Wonder if this is all PAK related or perhaps just the state of this game at the moment

[woeful beacon]

mines coming monday I think! haha

how is it

[hearty oar]

How does real hardware behave when you just hotswap the paks constantly I wonder?

Not something I’ve ever tried

[woeful beacon]

do you blow on them before switching or not

[lone geyser]

The Fighting Octa (generally regarded as the successor this controller) has been on my "might buy" list for some time now. I almost pulled the trigger for N64 reasons but I think I've been dissuaded for now thanks to the Saffun

[chrome quest]

Good question. I've never tried, no Paks here, and I don't have this particular game either

[calm anvil]

it feels amazing... need to test it on this core now

[woeful beacon]

fingers crossed

[calm anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-dog-gif-9823664

[hearty oar]

Of course, I’ve heard the moisture from your saliva is good for the contacts

[woeful beacon]

then... shit no I dont know because we honestly never did that as kids lol

@calm anvil wired right?

[calm anvil]

going to test BT and wired

[lone geyser]

Since COVID I've been concocting a mix of water, salt, and Elmer's glue to spray on my cartridge contacts instead. Don't want to spread germs blowing my own spit around

[woeful beacon]

word - curious what anyone's thoughts are on these, quite an interesting set of opinions

[eternal ravine]

The best thing to do is to submerge the whole cartridge in 99% IPA, then come back an hour later

[weary perch]

corrupts your controller paks usually 😂

[topaz otter]

That's actually the least disgusting thing I've found inside of a game cartridge

[lament escarp]

I'm 99% certain you're all joking but for the 1%: don't blow your cartridges. The moisture corrodes the contacts and makes them even worse in the future.

[lone geyser]

(and definitely don't clean them with salt water lmao)

[topaz otter]

I have around 40 NES games that I'm pretty sure were inside of a blockbuster that had the roof ripped off during a hurricane and got flooded

[covert bough]

there's a ps5 version of that pad with a stick
https://stores.horiusa.com/fighting-commander-octa-for-playstation-5/

[main dirge]

Did Animal Forest stop working for anyone else?

[chrome quest]

This Rush 2049 PAK issue is odd. Rapidly changing PAKs, can't get it to crash now.
The Rumble in Pad 1 seems to need "something" from Pad 2 to let it see the Rumble selection. Even Pad 2 set to CPAK made the player 1 rumble be recognised by the game menu.....

[covert bough]

honestly probably a good n64 alternative controller

[eternal ravine]

(and don't use 99% IPA baths for carts)

[calm anvil]

70?

[lone geyser]

lol we both mentioned the same one. It seems controversial to people that but it but I think that's mostly because the demographic leans heavily towards fighting enthusiasts who want a Saturn pad and this one has more modern features as opposed to being a bad controller for other uses

[covert bough]

oh i see your comment now

yeah it's an interesting edge case

[chrome quest]

Have people generally had success with games swapping CPAK and rumble often? If I reset with Rumble it works, some part of the active swap with the game running might be the issue

[covert bough]

it even has the gated stick notches

[last scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/rumble-gif-27464722

[lone geyser]

https://stores.horiusa.com/fighting-commander-octa-designed-for-xbox-series-x-s-xbox-one/
XBox version is 10 bucks cheaper for whatever reason

[velvet nest]

Guys sorry quick question. Does the rumble pak work with F-zero X? It works perfectly with Exicitebike! Cheers

[eternal ravine]

Bruce Buffer has my fave announcing. Used to sound like he was dying when he screamed "Andersonnnn... the spider... SILVAAAAAA"

[lone geyser]

Also puts on big boy pants when it comes to latency numbers

[covert bough]

that is wild

never fully trusted hori enough to buy any of their accessories

[calm anvil]

so far I have tried the wired on 007 and it seems great, love the rumble, games like these are slow so the input lag if its there (which others claim it is) doesnt bother me yet

BT is supposed to be better

[eternal ravine]

Anyone ever tried these?

[lone geyser]

I've tried the Zero 2 and it's...fine

[covert bough]

c-buttons lower left?

to me it looks like a switch lite, but like without the switch

[woeful beacon]

yo that thing has a rumble!?!?

[woeful beacon]

BT is supposed to be better than wired??

[woeful beacon]

I hate it tbh

[cerulean elk]

thing looks wild

[woeful beacon]

the dpads are very stiff

I returned it

I thought it might be cool for shmup double plays

but ehhh didnt work for me haha

[covert bough]

there's the even mini-er version of it too

[woeful beacon]

(ymmv, im a picky bastard)

[eternal ravine]

I used to call that brand "8ShitTho", but they have a couple good products

[lone geyser]

You'd need the V2 now anyways (unless you went to eBay maybe)

[calm anvil]

ya

[woeful beacon]

https://www.amazon.com/8Bitdo-Bluetooth-Gamepad-Nintendo-Windows-Turquoise/dp/B07Y6N384Y/ref=asc_df_B07Y6N384Y/?

[kind solar]

I have one and it doesn’t map to mister properly was trying to use it for the wonderswan core

[woeful beacon]

how can this ever be the case haha this upsets my brain

[calm anvil]

yup, its great too

[woeful beacon]

I get why it would be the case on like switch hardware, but not on mister

upsetty spaghetti

[cerulean elk]

ragtetti rigatoni

[lone geyser]

Protip: Everything after and including the "?" is really just so companies can track shared links. You can totally cut it off and get to the same site:
https://www.amazon.com/8Bitdo-Bluetooth-Gamepad-Nintendo-Windows-Turquoise/dp/B07Y6N384Y/ref=asc_df_B07Y6N384Y/

[woeful beacon]

dangit, thanks

[eternal ravine]

M30 will do weird things on my setup, like the main menu will scroll endlessly if you activate the controller at the "wrong" time
Then I have to reboot
Not had any problems using DS4 via BT

[lone geyser]

All good. I was an offender for years so I just try to spread the word

[woeful beacon]

I tried xbox one using the specific xbox one usb dangle

worked great for n64, is my current standin

used it to set L-Stick to R-Stick for Sin & Punishment

(since L-Stick is hardcoded in the core)

[cerulean elk]

speaking of ragretti rigatoni

https://youtu.be/qs54QGJtlLs

Here comes BRIAN

[woeful beacon]

I love how slippy be like

WHAT THE FUCK

bangai O YES

[cerulean elk]

slippy cant believe the progress

[woeful beacon]

(I never played the 64 version)

[lone geyser]

You seem very bullish on no one finishing エルテイル モンスターズ. I'd say it's a matter of time

[eternal ravine]

Bangai-O on DC is fun af, but I'm worried about the blur on N64

[cerulean elk]

its been out for 2 minutes...how much do you people skip around

[calm anvil]

tbh I cant really tell the difference between wired/BT on this thing... both seem responsive enough for n64 for my liking

[cerulean elk]

START TO FINISH...you are killing me lolol

[lone geyser]

I tend to skip the first minute of YT videos

Or so

[calm anvil]

trying smash on the core right now and TBH the n64 input even on OG hardware feels floaty to me

[woeful beacon]

aye that sounds positive, thanks!

[calm anvil]

but yeah rumble on this is solid

[woeful beacon]

rumble is something I havent felt in years

[lone geyser]

I already know you're gonna tell me there's an exciting new core with cool new features. I just want to see them

[woeful beacon]

I would have no idea

[cerulean elk]

the filmmaker in me wants to take you out back and beat you with a hose

[woeful beacon]

these days I turn that stuff usually off

[cerulean elk]

lol (kidding

[calm anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[woeful beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kelly-kapoor-how-dare-you-pissed-annoyed-gif-5101657

[lone geyser]

I also wait ten minutes before going to movies

[calm anvil]

I always ran out of AA batteries lmao

[woeful beacon]

right?!

holy shit the big question was

AA batteris in the N64 or rip them out of the gameboy

[cerulean elk]

people get upset I wont chapter my YT comment

lol

[lone geyser]

(That's a lie, but I wish it were true because it'd be funny)

[woeful beacon]

and then fuckin when you do that shit the gameboy is fucked

[eternal ravine]

I watch everything at 2.5X and subbed

[woeful beacon]

then you're like oh okay let me play my game gear and its all fucky

[cerulean elk]

that I dont mind lol

[covert bough]

new drinking game take a shot everytime VGE uses the term "whatsoever"

[cerulean elk]

enjoy your blackout

[woeful beacon]

I am sure that the fine people on mister discord wouldnt make a drinking game out of this what so ever

[covert bough]

lol

i watch all your videos

[cerulean elk]

I think I said parapet yesterday in a VO. Thats unique

[woeful beacon]

you just made up that word

first of all its pronounced parakeet

[calm anvil]

OOT still broke if you dont use the GCN version?

[fleet gyro]

I updater the downloader.ini but it didn't pull the N64 core when I ran update all. Any ideas?

[calm anvil]

man this core has matured so fast its nuts

and I thought the PSX core was crazy fast

once goldeneye and gang start working I will probably shelf my n64

[eternal ravine]

This core has rapidly descending testicles

[lone geyser]

The Middle by Jimmy Eat World intensifies

[calm anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/what-happened-your-balls-dropped-off-the-joker-joaquin-phoenix-gif-17676896

[cerulean elk]

its not nice to talk about your mom like that

[eternal ravine]

My mudder was a saint

[cerulean elk]

Dorthy Mantooth was a saint. I have heard that

[manic basin]

ANCHOR FIGHT!

[cerulean elk]

is that a trident?

[eternal ravine]

Bacon has like Micro Machines Man speed VOs

[cerulean elk]

tis my cadence

[eternal ravine]

I can dig it

[cerulean elk]

dont forget nothing is scripted...thats just the flow

[eternal ravine]

Yeah the extemporaneous execution is impressive

[weary beacon]

Just ordered an og n64 controller in good shape and a 8bitdo hal effect stick. Can't wait

[cerulean elk]

Thankfully public speaking is something I love and do a lot so its one of those things that comes naturally

but I suck at plenty of other shit so its give and take

[eternal ravine]

That's life

[cerulean elk]

like without skis I am incredibly clumsy. I fall over a lot in life

[mortal panther]

The DualSense haptic feedback is Rumble Done Right™️

[silent marten]

@cerulean elk yet another amazing video bro

[cerulean elk]

glad you enjoyed!

[runic flax]

Oh man, the rumble on my homemade Raphnet adapter is working real good.

[cerulean elk]

and now I will only refer to Brian as Bob

[eternal ravine]

Holy shit, I am literally unable to leave the computer
Internet addiction is real, people

[silent marten]

Preview # Who Knows had me in hysterics

[cerulean elk]

glad someone noticed 😆

sometimes my easter eggs go without nary a person picking up on them

[mortal panther]

Because of all the skipping

[cerulean elk]

damn them

[silent marten]

I never skip your intro

[deft tree]

just got this targeted ad lol

[mortal panther]

They don't deserve your Easter Eggs!

[cerulean elk]

looks like Wisconsin wedding wear for @languid dune or @brisk drum

they keep it classy up there 🤣

[silent marten]

So in another 48hrs is it gonna be preview #who knows +1?

[cerulean elk]

nah probably # deargodletmetakeadayoff

[chrome quest]

This Rumble implementation is great. Tried buch of things.
Raphnet with original controller Rumble Pak.
Dualsense, SN30 pro,
Gamecube controller with Mayflash adapter. All work great!!
Likely a good sign the official Nintendo Gamecube adapter will also work with rumble when @hearty oar updates are merged from unstable

[silent marten]

You know Robert has already teased another core right?

[lament escarp]

@cerulean elk in brian64 there're still violet pixels around the compass, so it's not perfect yet.

[silent marten]

You mean Bob 64?

[eternal ravine]

I'm still not clear on where that should be placed during use

[lament escarp]

Well it says it's a vibrator... so should be obvious where to place it, no?

[warped cobalt]

Everybody knows it is a back massage tool.

[eternal ravine]

How long is the cord tho

[cerulean elk]

I’ll have to take a closer peek

[shrewd peak]

fake

[eternal ravine]

With that many CRTs, you better respect

RACKS

I'm thinking of contacting local TV stations to ask about CRTs

[calm anvil]

now that I have tested my NSO controller, its doing the same thing, find a fix?

[carmine kettle]

#1096015979055697940 message

[faint grove]

ive been playing waverace64 , plays and feels just like the original

[eternal ravine]

OK, all caught up and now I can go outdoors
Nobody write anything else

[worn delta]

There was a fancy release of Wave Race in Japan that has rumble support and other things. I assume a translation patched version in most of the big packs

[calm anvil]

so if I understand this right... I go to define buttons and when it asks me to tilt the "stick 2 test - tilt right" I am supposed to hit "C right" I do that and nothing happens

[lament escarp]

This is for 8bitdo modkit. Dunno about nso pads. Though plenty of people are using it so there has to be a fix.

Maybe the config file from #1096015979055697940 message

[calm anvil]

@mortal panther are you able to get C down to actually work? and not just open the mister menu?

[calm anvil]

yeah im using that file already

[cerulean elk]

Anyone try the versions he’s talking about?

[weary beacon]

Yes hall effect sticks are great. Won't buy a controller with out them now. Shoulder buttons could be better on the 8bitdo but they work just fine. Reminds me more of PS4 vs xbox.

[safe robin]

Afaik they made a much bigger Zelda for 64dd and then realized that the 64dd will not be successful and so they crafted the master quest game out of it. But much content had to be cut

[old iris]

please help, is there an ATMega 32U4 project to connect the original Nintendo 64 controller?

[bitter fjord]

MiSTer vs real hardware on my 8bitdo n64 controller kit + hall effect stick

MiSTer is the left/top picture

I am using direct input on MiSTer so that may explain the disparity

I wonder if I can hook this controller up in nso mode

[carmine kettle]

@calm anvil you try usb

[chrome quest]

Not entirely sure this is what they might be referring to... but "surprisingly?" this works!

Forgot this existed until reading that comment

[weary beacon]

Shoulder buttons? You mean with the complete kit?

[chrome quest]

Also I spoke too soon. This recreation demo boots, get through menus, then the dreaded top left corner "line" appears like regular OoT. Full freeze. Music still playing though

[hearty oar]

Try the pinned MiSTer main that fixes the sensitivity and range of all controllers to n64 levels

[cerulean elk]

No shit

[calm anvil]

no difference

[carmine kettle]

that weird it only happen to 8bitdo not nintendo nso

[weary beacon]

Sorry not shoulder, I like those. I should have said Trigger buttons. Every thing else about it I think is spot on.

[chrome quest]

Can open a chest pretty much before E000040 crash. Very cool though!

[topaz otter]

if you live in the US you might get lucky but I doubt it

most of the local stations threw out their CRTs in the early 2000s

[carmine kettle]

@calm anvil you try putting adding this #unstable-nightlies message

[calm anvil]

yeah im using the newer one that was linked to me here

[hearty oar]

Yeah that build has those same changes as well, it’s built on top of it

[cerulean elk]

Try public broadcasting

They keep everything. Had a friend in VT get four PVMs last year

[hearty oar]

Re. the c buttons, you shouldn’t need to map them to anything at all in main, you can do x and y if you like. You just need to map them in the core itself

With the NSO controller there should now be relatively sane default mappings for main thanks to Zakk

[zinc dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsAbscWdQ3s

[old iris]

I repeat, has anyone assembled an adapter for the OG N64 based on some board like pro micro or rp2040, does such a project even exist?

[hearty oar]

Probably not for the 8bitdo kit though

[brisk drum]

Oh you know

[native mesa]

An adapter for what

[surreal summit]

I did it with an Arduino board before.

[weary beacon]

I can't get the NSO controller to work well, I have the latest unstable mister and the zimage version compatible with the controller, it only works for me via Bluetooth, it doesn't recognize it via USB, also the Y axis (up and down) doesn't work for me. I Tried with the latest stable mister, with the zimage compatible with megadrive nso,my old zimage and I can't get it to work via USB andr the Y axis is not working. I configure the controller in the mister main menu and in the core and the same thing always happens to me. Is there something I forgot to do and that's why it doesn't work? Thank you very much!

[old iris]

that is, there is no fresh solution? or will that project work well with mister anyway?

[weary beacon]

tested also with https://vampier.net/N64/ zimage

[weary beacon]

I sent you a message. That's what I use and I love it.

[hearty oar]

How did you install the zImage? Did you make sure to replace the existing one with the same name, and did you cold reboot after installing it?

[chrome quest]

Hot off the presses! Video from like 10 hours ago 🤣

[old iris]

I don’t need blisster) he has nowhere to fit into my assembly)

[versed cairn]

what is it? the description says nothing useful lol

[chrome quest]

Alternative to blister
#controllers message

[zinc dew]

lol yeah, it was also posted in #controllers

[native mesa]

Is it right to even call that Ura Zelda,?

[weary beacon]

that was one of 4 options lol. but what evs. have fun.

[old iris]

super, this is what you need, but there won’t be any vibration? and what is the delay with this method?

[weary beacon]

Rename the old zimage and copy the new in linux

[mortal panther]

Yes, it works fine for me. Mapped all inputs in MiSTer before launching the core (to get the analog stick to register properly, mainly), then launched the N64 core and mapped inputs there, too. Worked fine for me for the NSO N64 and the Brawler 64 controllers.

Sorry, was on my way home from work and just saw that.

[old iris]

thank you very much, I plan to collect them in the future