Nintendo 64

[chilly ember]

Yea hang on

[weary palm]

thanks 🙂

[lament escarp]

Bested isn't as straight forward imo. But the games I'm looking forward the most are the zeldas, sm64, turoks, brian64, conker, banjos and of course, aydin chronicles.

[mild ether]

Dr Mario

It's kinda good wherever you play it though.

[flint thunder]

low framerates make it hard for me to play conker, banjos, turoks in 2023

[fallen sparrow]

F-Zero for sure

[dusty tusk]

F-Zero X and Majoras Mask. First played them on emulators, way past their release dates and both hold up remarkably well in my opinion

[lament escarp]

I'm not somebody who says that fps don't matter, but in these 240p resolutions 20fps feel way smoother than it should. So it's not that big a deal.

[dusty tusk]

Many other games are improved by modern ports, like banjo, turok, or doom 64

[fallen sparrow]

I wish I was good at 3D Zelda games. The only 3D one I've completed is BotW. I've started TotK, that's fun

[dusty tusk]

Problem with Zeldas is they allow you to just dick around and as a kid that means I often never finished them 🤣

[fallen sparrow]

I tried doing OoT and MM, I just plain suck

[dusty tusk]

Links awakening is a very tight Zelda experience and I think it far surpasses the snes game

[fallen sparrow]

Now ALTTP, LA, MC, great Zelda games, I can actually complete

[flint thunder]

Original Doom64 has a charming dirty retro look that the remaster lost

[dusty tusk]

Sure, but it sure is easier to play

[fallen sparrow]

Link's Awakening in the DMG, honestly makes me feel like I'm living in the Gameboy

Kirby is fun too, first time I played it, was when I filmed it for a video

[dusty tusk]

All the gameboy Zelda games were fantastic. For Majoras Mask, the atmosphere and tone honestly sells me more than the gameplay, but that kind fi doesn't matter to me

[fallen sparrow]

I did the darker theme for sure

[dusty tusk]

As I've gotten older I've also grown am appreciation for games with time crunch like dead rising and pikmin, so there's that as well

[flint thunder]

agreed ; low details graphics make your mind wander more and compensate in immersive ways to that lack of details

[flint thunder]

looks like it has a decent framerate too. I'll try it tonight

[rose crypt]

I'd cut Majora's from that list personally, I find the N64 zeldas particularly hard to play as someone who didn't play them at the time. Never finished oot and barely touched MM

and then add Sin and Punishment, Banjo-Kazooie, Pokemon Snap, Perfect Dark

[flint thunder]

Because you don’t know what to do or where to go next?

[primal bolt]

I never played MM, but OOT is legendary

[rose crypt]

I just find it clunky and not very fun

[worldly quartz]

Yeah, didnt like the 3ds port too

[dusty tusk]

The 3ds port is notoriously bad, for everything it fixed, it futzed up 2 other things

[worldly quartz]

Mostly something about it gives me motion sickness

Like botw and later fixed it for me

[dusty tusk]

Banjo tooie and the stony transformation gives me motion sickness, low framerate and massive camera shake is a recipe for disaster

[remote hatch]

and I will never go back to the N64 version, I prefer the 3DS one 🙂

[lament escarp]

I honestly enjoy both. Too bad there won't be a hd version, because they're pushing their nso service.

[remote hatch]

runs smoother and looks better on the 3ds

But I don't have any nostalgia for the N64 🙂

[lament escarp]

But is bound to handheld. I would like a gb player thingy for 3ds games. 😄

[vapid hawk]

If your playing MM on 3ds there’s a rom hack you should 100% be using

They fixed most of the stuff the port broke

[dusty tusk]

I'm just waiting for 3ds emulation to get a bit better before going back. That system is handcramp city for me.

[mild finch]

There still seem to be some minor discrepancies, but not sure if some are due to the video compression on YouTube and/or the capture setup. Compare attached images.
Images captured from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNjX7UzRQyU -- this should be accurate except for the scanline shader that they applied. But I couldn't find a better source.

• 12:37 - 12:45: There's a lot of posterization in textures. Could also be due to video compression.
• 7:47: Link is shown too dark. Gamma correction issue? Could also be crushed blacks in capture setup.
• 8:55: These lines in the lighting do not appear on real hardware.

[lament escarp]

Is there also one to put the camera controls of mm3d into oot 3d?

[vapid hawk]

i've not seen anything for oot 3d

might exist, but the original version wasn't completely broken like MM

[weary palm]

@chilly ember Your save file worked..?

[chilly ember]

The credits didn't crash?

[dusty tusk]

I somehow never interacted with the carpet guy in oot and was very confused when I saw him in the credits

[weary palm]

Credits works fine in the patched version. 🙂

[chilly ember]

Oh ok :p

Awesome 😄

[rose crypt]

what's wrong with it? it's pretty much there afaik

[weary palm]

And seeing Ganondorf cough blood is a great sensation.

[weary palm]

He's somewhat easy to miss

[dusty tusk]

I don't think he's even required for 100%

[weary palm]

No, he's just a seller

[dusty tusk]

I legit thought I was going crazy, like damn my memory isn't that bad right?

Once the core is more locked in, those uncensored patches look like fun

[weary palm]

I prefer the altered Fire Temple music, though.

[dusty tusk]

I've only played the GameCube released, so I'm curious. I remember seeing the blood years before at a cousin's house and thinking goddamn

Conker's bad fur day, didn't have gobs of blood that thick

[wary stag]

Just started playing this core. Super Mario 64 freezes at the start screen.

[weary palm]

Yes, you need a patch to get past the big Mario head in the intro. It crashes the core.

[bronze tree]

gamma, dedither and antialiasing are done by the VI which is not implemented yet, best to compare after that is done.

[wary stag]

Thank you. I'll just wait until ttl iimplemented. great work so far

[mild finch]

what about the texture posterization? I don't think it will be fixed purely by horizontal blurring.

[bronze tree]

the color banding?

[mild finch]

yes

[bronze tree]

dithering + dedithering makes a huge difference

[mild finch]

not sure if the lines in the lighting are also due to color banding, but seems more like some alpha blending issue

[bronze tree]

could be yes

[mild finch]

Anyway, it's extremely close already. Just wanted to point out that it's not quite "spot on" yet from my perspective. I've been watching MM speedrunners for many years, and I know that intro sequence by heart 😄

[chrome quest]

Just curious markun, is the analog fix updated build going to be added to the unstable build?

[bronze tree]

most likely, still tweaking some things

[bronze tree]

without VI and with VI

[mild finch]

OK nice, that explains the banding

[chrome quest]

Just like I remember I guess! Was surprised PAL mario had the same resolution despite not remembering it having black bars

[mild finch]

maybe that would also fix the "alpha blending" issue by smoothing out the alpha channel, assuming that's what it really is.

Also, interesting how it gets rid of these stray pixels on Mario himself

[bronze tree]

yes, funny how they just hide these bugs 🙂

it's not exactly the same frame left and right, but I just checked and the stray pixels are really gone

[mild finch]

Reminds me of early "salt + pepper" denoisers. It must do some kind of nonlinear filtering then -- with simple averaging, the stray pixels would still show up despite being blurred

E.g., median filter or some threshold-based filtering

[bronze tree]

one of the filters (called "divot" filter) does a median on 3 pixels in a row

but not for all pixels, just when at least 1 of the 3 was on the edge of a polygon

[mild finch]

I see, that explains it.

it's horizontal only, right?

[bronze tree]

yes

I was going to investigate the weird black pixels in the bottom row... and then I noticed exactly the same issue with a capture from a real N64 🙂

[mild finch]

heh, that's also interesting

did you figure out what causes this?

I would guess it's some border-specific handling that they just didn't implement because it's highly irrelevant for CRTs

[bronze tree]

I could look into it, there might be a simple fix possible, but someone might complain that it's not authentic anymore 😉

[vapid hawk]

i read a really good writeup of how the n64 vi works once and now i can never remember where it was. i think it was an extremely early example of morphological AA

(like fxaa/smaa/mlaa)

[bronze tree]

I just noticed I had some test code that did vertical interpolation, it actually is supposed to look like this:

[mild finch]

The N64 was pretty far ahead of anything else in the consumer space at its time. If you find that writeup again, I would be very interested in reading it.

[native mesa]

Yes mostly because of the FPU and Z buffer

[chrome quest]

So is it vertically stretched? To fit (or close to) 4:3

[bronze tree]

yes, I just do line doubling in this last image

[native mesa]

There is dithering applied then a 'dedither'

[bronze tree]

without gamma and with gamma

(Star Fox)

[kind solar]

since when do we have gamma? i couldn't select that

[bronze tree]

it's just in an emulator

[native mesa]

This guy's site demonstrates all the missing modes at the moment. https://mattpierce.info/n64-dither

[mild finch]

What emulator are you using that has all these debug options?

[bronze tree]

it's the test code from Robert, runs at 10% real time 😉

[native mesa]

Theres a tool you can use to patch out a lot of those too if you want to see it on real hardware

Gamma, dedither, etc

Idk if Robert will apply the final 'hardware blur' on the output. The thing that HDMI mods try to get rid of

Is that in his emulator?

[vapid hawk]

thats basically the whole VI

deblur on real hardware isn't just removing some blurring it is actually throwing away unique samples. the more i learn about it the less i think its actually a good idea

[drowsy lantern]

It's truly fascinating how they developed all those features in the hopes of producing a better image, yet the end result is something subjectively unpleasant.

[compact depot]

VI - Vaseline Injector

[marble cargo]

Ironically Nintendo has avoided using any anti-aliasing in a lot of their games ever since they started developing games in HD.

[vapid hawk]

on the tv's at the time (small ish crts) with the cables used (mostly RF, some composite) i think nintendo probably made the right choice

[mild finch]

It's funny because nowadays, almost all Switch first party titles do not have any AA. I like the smooth look of the N64, but it doesn't pair so well with the low resolution.

Ah I typed too slowly, the chili had the same statement 🙂

[vapid hawk]

modern nintendo hardware can't afford AA

[mild finch]

Sure it can, it's just a conscious decision made by them

If the N64 could, so can the Switch

Are there emulators that allow >1x internal resolution while also applying the "correct" VI processing on top? I bet that would look quite nice

[vapid hawk]

yeah ares does that

and you are correct it looks excellent

[mild finch]

I need to check it out. Ares is quite demanding for the host system, isn't it?

[broken viper]

Have you tried this? It looks really stupid but I promise you it is a game changer.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018VAEXD0

[weary palm]

Can we please call it this in the core menu? xD

[vapid hawk]

er, you need a decent ish gpu afaik , nothing insane unless you want to boost the render resolution enormously

[mild finch]

Gotta check it out. Thank you!

[weary palm]

Makes perfect sense to me. Smaller pixels = less noticeable jaggies.

[native mesa]

I think the only additional mode I'll be using is the gamma filter. Otherwise it's perfect right now for me

Also better performance

[weary palm]

I will try them out before I decide what I like

[vapid hawk]

modern nintendo consoles only really barely scrape in to qualify as "HD" at all

[weary palm]

Will it really make any difference performance-wise? Robert sounded surprised that turning AA off on real hardware had any inpact on the framerate.

[inner bronze]

Mario Kart on Switch is 1080p 60fps and looks absolutely fabulous. Then Pokemon Scarlet/Violet shows up and..... 🤮

[native mesa]

Ideally I'd trade a VI stuff for a higher color depth mode to eliminate banding without dithering

[inner bronze]

If the AA is part of the render pipeline with dedicated hardware support I imagine turning it off wouldnt impact frame rate

[vapid hawk]

isn't mario kart on switch 59.9fps so it judders constantly? maybe that was the wiiU one

[native mesa]

It's the dither filter thats less performant

[sullen harbor]

I think I might be the only person on earth that likes dithering so long as its scaled to the internal resolution

[broken viper]

The modding community literally had s/v hi-def mods out in the first week after release that were major improvements on the stock graphics lol

[native mesa]

It just looks bad on modern displays or super crispy CRTs

[weary palm]

I like dithering more than banding, but I don't like them

[vapid hawk]

don't even modern 4k tv's and consoles still use dithering for lots of things

its obviously much much finer dithering at that resolution

[weary palm]

plasma tvs used dithering quite heavily

[sullen harbor]

I think my brains been corrupted from decades of manga and indie comics that use half tone patterns for shading

Oh that could be it to

I used a plasma for nearly 20 years before it died on me

Either way dont bother me none because I just wrap that into the aesthetics of older games in my head

[hot spoke]

It's the WiiU version

[weary beacon]

Anecdotally, on my N64 with AA off, Legacy of Darkness (sd mode) seemed much more consistently locked to 30fps than when running stock

[native mesa]

There are a few mods like the goldeneye hack that makes AA an option for better 4 player performance

Mario Kart redux as well

[cerulean elk]

Interesting. That game can chug. Especially in high res mode

[marble cargo]

Pokémon Stadium 2 randomly crashed...

[zealous hull]

What's everybody's favorite copy ability combo in Kirby 64?
I like Bomb + Cutter.

[marble cargo]

Needle + Stone

The drill is a very versatile power.

[zinc dew]

is the GOAT!!

[cerulean elk]

Haunted

[zinc dew]

No that’s Wartortle. This is Haunter:

[daring meteor]

No it's not the goat. It's the sheep.

[compact skiff]

Can someone tell me the best USB **wired **N64 controller? I know I can use a wireless controller with the USB cable, but I don't want to pay extra for a feature I don't want to use. I bought the iNNext controller and everything feels great except the range for the analog stick is too small. It gets to 100% at around half tilt.

[cerulean elk]

Yamper or nothing

[zinc dew]

YAMPER!!!!

That’s one of my daughter’s favorite Pokémons lol

[zinc dew]

[cerulean elk]

We have our own Yamper

[daring meteor]

Guys the Pokemon in my pfp is the best

[weary beacon]

Yeah. As with this entire console, the 480i mode is a total write-off. But, it's a nice looking and very stable 240p game.

[zinc dew]

Imagine if in the future Robert can get the core so stable we have have a performance boost 480i mode 🤯

[weary beacon]

Hey I'll take 240p holding 30. Maybe Turok 3 not grinding to a halt because I checks notes fired a gun

[cerulean elk]

We had a standard color model Yamper too lol

[mortal panther]

Base model. 🤣

Love it. Cute as hell.

[brisk drum]

Can I haz ur dawwg

[cerulean elk]

Gonna need a shovel but sure

Standard color model is no longer around

[brisk drum]

I shoulda probably read before posted

RIP DOGGO

[cerulean elk]

Haha it’s fine. Hence my joke

She was almost 14. Had a good long life

[brisk drum]

Right on !

[cerulean elk]

So we switched out for the upgraded model…now with black!

[weary palm]

I made a fork of Main_MiSTer where I try to autodetect the CIC type if the ROM is missing from N64_database. I haven't tried it yet, though. https://github.com/yxkalle/Main_MiSTer/commit/500673ff65d7783eb6acf211a62dd9a8245801a4

[ebon sentinel]

So what's the scoop on the Switch N64 controller? Anybody know about latency, if it can be used wired for less latency, if it's good iwth the N64 core?

[cerulean elk]

I ordered one. Then Nintendo sent an email saying it was pending because they couldn’t find my NSO account tied to my email. The email I signed up with and pay them money with. So I’m about to just say fuck it

[dense wagon]

haha i was going to ask exactly the same thing, that how plug and play is that controller / how does the bluetooth/wireless work on that as iv basically never tried , modern controllers that don't have wired connections

it could be something my side, i cant get vanilla OOT to work either, I just get a blank screen... others report it working. So shrugs

[weary palm]

No, only the GC version works

[fair stump]

I was just wondering the exact same thing. What N64 controller out there has the best wireless latency?

[mortal panther]

The NSO N64 controller feels great via USB. I haven't tried Bluetooth yet. It seems very responsive to me, and feels very authentic (for better or worse).

[ebon sentinel]

Oh it works wired? that's good to hear since random controllers nowadays don't

[oblique remnant]

The switch procontroller has more lag when wired. The NSO hopefully not

[cerulean elk]

I never notice any lag in the switch pro wired. It’s what I use any time I’m capturing non arcade games

[oblique remnant]

Its weird but also that mister controller lag testpage proofs it

[cerulean elk]

Oh I believe it

I just always find it wild a controller can have more lag wired than wireless. You had one job…and you blew it Nintendo

[ebon sentinel]

I'm not the greatest at detecting latency by feel, unless maybe it's just a game that's so burned into my brain i get suspicious when the input doesn't feel as responsive as i remember

[drowsy lantern]

Any updates on the joystick scaling work? I noticed I stopped moving in Buck Bumble when I push my 8bitdo SN30 joystick to the max.

[mortal panther]

I could be wrong, but it feels like I can detect a bit of latency with the Brawler 64 via USB... such as when selecting menu options with the D-pad in various games.
The NSO N64 controller via USB feels just as responsive as my favorite controller to use with MiSTer, the HORI Fighting Commander 4.

[dreamy ridge]

can you have two ps5 controllers connected to the same bluetooth dongle (the one from mister addons) or will that introduce lag? i'm seeing some weird behavior from controller 2

[mortal panther]

It does, guaranteed. I don't have a Bluetooth dongle currently connected to my MiSTer.

[orchid nimbus]

the word 'dongle' - seriously..... why

[weary palm]

i like it

[dreamy ridge]

lmao what a thing to get butthurt about. what would you call it, the 'bluetooth usb insert'?

[orchid nimbus]

I'm not buthurt about it

[topaz otter]

i heard theres a guy who goes around airdropping pictures of his dongles to unsuspecting people

they call him the dongler

[mortal panther]

The Boston Dongler?

[topaz otter]

Vampier don't look🫣

[dense wagon]

oh la la... nice dongle

[daring meteor]

That dongle

Mmmmmmmmmm

Just hits the spot

[shrewd peak]

NSO controller is about 12 frames average

Faster over BT

[manic basin]

I enjoy it! But that theme tune is a special kind of 'so bad it's good.'

[fallen sparrow]

It's catchy lol, Crooooooozin, yeah

[dense wagon]

so the NSO controller conenct up super easy directly tot he mister via bt? or is it via an accessory?

[mortal panther]

Typical Bluetooth USB thingy.

[stuck summit]

There might be some kind of placebo working here since the NSO controllers usually have a fair amount of lag even over USB. If you're only using it for N64 games, that might be why, since those games are very laggy already due to low framerate, among other things (Mario 64 for example has over 80ms of lag even on a CRT) so even 16ms+ of input lag doesn't feel very noticeable

[mortal panther]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I guess my point was... it's not bad. It's a very good option for N64 on MiSTer in my opinion.

Especially if, like me, you find it hard to connect with those games without a controller that feels like the 'real deal'.

[stuck summit]

yeah

I don't really care about 10-16ms of input lag for N64 controllers, to be honest, it's not very noticeable. It's bad for older games that have 1 frame of latency on a CRT, but not so much for N64

if a game already is supposed to be played at 16ms, adding another 16ms is adding +100% latency. Mario 64 already has ~88ms of lag, so adding another 16 is just 18%. Not the end of the world tbh

not like these games were made with accuracy and precision in mind too lol

[hollow rune]

Let's go 🎵
Cruuuusin'

[orchid nimbus]

so what's next

[viscid nebula]

Deez nuts

[orchid nimbus]

with a dongle?

I'll dongle deez nuts however I want?

[viscid nebula]

With a n64 controller

[orchid nimbus]

perfect use of the word

[midnight void]

Very empirical testing here, but I tried the NSO N64 controller over BT and got a couple of 9f reactions in kirby superstar, which is about 1f slower than what I usually get on a wired M30

of course this does not account for large outliers in latency that could occur with BT... but that was fine for me to consider it more than good enough 😄

well, to clarify these are my best reactions, average are higher

[orchid nimbus]

I pushed the button on scanline 176 and about 60% of the next scanline completed - then 3 frames and 67 scanlines (about 35% of the scanline in) later I finally got feedback that it was pressed

I did this all without measuring equipment

😉

No offense but I think that Mike Matei has a very punchable face despite being a cool dude

[mortal panther]

"He's my son, and I agree." ~ Mike's Mom

[weary beacon]

He's beaten some really hard games. Gotta give him props.

[daring meteor]

Who tf is Mike?

[viscid nebula]

He streamed starfox ex

I like him

[plush summit]

MFer Mike? cool guy

[viscid nebula]

Star faqes

[daring meteor]

https://youtu.be/WEz0IoffV9g?si=k439NXX1sgw0yRCL&t=897

[weary beacon]

Only other person I like more, and who's gameplay I actually trust, would be Arcus.

[daring meteor]

Isn't that the Pokémon god?

[viscid nebula]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K3kCnjSvL4I

He mvp

[orchid nimbus]

not a big fan though

too much Texas going on

[viscid nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-matei-big-head-cinemassacre-smile-gif-13150755

[weary beacon]

I did watch one of the best video documentaries though recently. Have you guys watched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRt7qRwj43g

[viscid nebula]

Sure did

Ss just did a new one

A friend of mine is in it

[orchid nimbus]

who doesn't? If someone doesn't... GO WATCH THE SALT!!

[viscid nebula]

“They were contacted by someone named Eden.”

[weary beacon]

I had never seen any of his work prior. I stayed up past my bed time to watch it.

[viscid nebula]

I know him ongzzzzz

[orchid nimbus]

I used to be a mod on tasvideos.org ... but I didn't show up for 2 years and I was booted 😄

I was a mod in the MSX section

[viscid nebula]

Starting to get the feeling you like msx

[orchid nimbus]

oh you don't know?

[viscid nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1096015979055697940/1151214052765335582/3eyes.gif

[elder glade]

same I really like Arcus

just a chill stream

like if bob ross was a speedrunner

[viscid nebula]

Zophar has fun streams

[dense wagon]

Oh - yeah so on my OOT crash going into the Goron Cave the first time... any SDram requirements on the core? i only have the 32mb card

[viscid nebula]

90s kids be like@zophar is a person??

[dense wagon]

32mb slot or what ever you wanna call that

[elder glade]

still have to check out zophar's stream one day

[weary beacon]

haha thats a great way to put it. Adjust!

[quaint rune]

It can be any size

[viscid nebula]

Zophar is such a nice guy, he always interacts with people too

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.twitch.tv/cupisacat

this stream is pretty amazing

guy plays video games and animates a cute fluffy puppet cat at the same time

[terse canyon]

is that the electrons moving through reality guy

[wanton sun]

you can only play games up to 24mybte with that

i should update the readme

the line is still from psx 😅

[dense wagon]

ah thats the rom image right?

[wanton sun]

i wonder how you could play OoT until there, it's a 32mbyte rom

[dense wagon]

ah haha that might be it

[wanton sun]

it should not work if the last 8mbyte are used

[dense wagon]

i mean, that definitely is it lol in this case... time for a ram upgrade 😄

not sure, but it totally works

till i go into that cave

[inner bronze]

Thats some very fortunate asset packing in that ROM

[dense wagon]

haha yep sounds like it

[daring meteor]

A lot of 32MB games

[terse canyon]

this is why roberts core is magic

https://youtu.be/fEyF30kenUM?si=oF8BhG_nlg262f3C&t=140

electrons move through reality 😆

[daring meteor]

Your CPU does not have electrons

[inner bronze]

You cant accurately emulate electrons anyway. Thats just quantum mechanics.

[thick terrace]

hey all. anything new or exciting going on today?

[orchid nimbus]

BigBuckBunny used to play the sound after loading - but now it's just dead

[lilac scroll]

I’ve been saying this for years

[brisk drum]

Oh oh is magic you know ..

[brisk drum]

Check out my dongle

[quaint pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/zebedee-spinning-magic-roundabout-gif-21545260

All these updates are making my head spin. In a good way. 🙂

I had my son for the weekend and I'm about three versions behind. Lol

[orchid nimbus]

3 versions of your son?

[flint thunder]

I use the 8bitdo Connector and it’s working flawlessly

[junior pine]

What am I looking at??? My dream when I studied 3D graphics was to remake StarFox someday in OpenGL or Vulkan!! Are you doing that? 😮

[eternal island]

some of these mario 64 rom hacks are wild..

[wanton sun]

still works here

[orchid nimbus]

weird

[wanton sun]

did a fresh boot, then loaded the bad apple video because it was smaller, then big buck bunny

just tried with only fresh core load: also works

NTSC cic 6102 if that matters, but likely not

[orchid nimbus]

ok let me try again

it's a huge load 😄

(and before people go 'that's what she said' ... just don't!)

[daring meteor]

That's what we said

[vagrant ivy]

Thats what he said

thats what they said

[daring meteor]

That's what I said

[compact depot]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[safe robin]

Das hat sie gesagt!

[orchid nimbus]

don't make me get my dongle

[vagrant ivy]

Geef me een grote ananas of de aap krijgt het

[zealous hull]

Oh hey everybody taking a break from work and just checking in!

OH.

oh

Nevermind.

I'm leaving.

[latent dagger]

does anyone know if the update all script will grab the latest build of this and install it or if I still have to manually grab it myself?
cuz I'll just run my update all script if it ends up grabbing this to make it easier on myself.

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-seagal-kup-dicht-alstebleef-always-close-gif-17945295

[vagrant ivy]

update all wont get it as is

[latent dagger]

k. so I need to edit the normal update script then

[orchid nimbus]

what ape and why pineapple?

[cerulean elk]

Lol Seagal always hits

[vagrant ivy]

First things that streaked through my mind

[orchid nimbus]

that almost translates to 'shut up, shut up please' (kop dicht, kop dicht alstjeblieft)

not joking

[brisk drum]

I was about to

[knotty zealot]

oh. nice. thanks for letting me in on the language.

[brisk drum]

Yeah basket Robert doesn’t like gifs in this room

[knotty zealot]

which for steven is just an illusion

[brisk drum]

Specially repeating gifs

[knotty zealot]

are you the gif police now? shall i point to the six thousand gifs above?

[worn delta]

If you check the pinned post there is a line you can copy and paste into your .ini file that will mean that running update or update all will grab the latest core and .txt database file. Very simple to do. 🙂

[viscid nebula]

a friend of mine is owrking on recreating starfo in the mario 644 engine

[orchid nimbus]

db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/db/db.json.zip```

[brisk drum]

Nah bro Robert legit stated that himself a couple of weeks back , and out of respect I always remind people

Just describe Your gifs from now on

[junior pine]

Do you mean Mario 64? Or is there an engine called Mario 644? Can't find it on google

[knotty zealot]

i'm gonna be on you like a pitbull on a poodle and call you out on your spam. that's a seinfeld reference. again.

[compact depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046941029296779344/1137501857745477733/image0.jpg

[brisk drum]

Im only referring to this room rest of the discord is fair game

Lol@

[brisk drum]

Stolen

[knotty zealot]

you think i was gonna post eight steven gifs in here? never. i'm gonna post sixteen in the wasteland channel.

i say wasteland because the mods - and i quote - "gave it up"

[orchid nimbus]

if I post gifs I remove them soon after

[knotty zealot]

that's brave

but you should post steven gifs in the general chat like the rest of us heroes

[brisk drum]

Indeed ..

[viscid nebula]

sorry bab keyboard mario 64

[orchid nimbus]

@viscid nebula a bit early to hit the booze don't you think?

[viscid nebula]

🤣

finally got this shit working again

input director so that I can have pc/2 monitors and a laptop

and my mouse and keyboard can control all 3

but the laptop keyboard is awful 🤣

thankfully input director just started working

[vapid hawk]

It’s 35ms though

[cerulean elk]

Seagal gifs should be an exception

[knotty zealot]

are you sure? do you stand behind your words?

[stuck summit]

I find that hard do believe, since for a 30fps game every frame is 33ms. Are there any tests I can see?

[latent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-seagal-fighting-out-for-a-kill-gif-27335770

Steven Seagal. Master of Chair-Fu

[vapid hawk]

It’s on pork chops patreon - max latency 35ms on Bluetooth

[knotty zealot]

in my mind i already posted 20 steven gifs. i would like you to put them all in your next video, baconman.

[stuck summit]

Ooooh, for the controller?

Wow, that's super high

[vapid hawk]

Yeah it’s insanely high

[stuck summit]

damn, F

I'm happy with my Retrobit's 16ms now lol

[silent marten]

@worn delta I set the date in Animal Forest and the villagers all know it is another day, just thought I would let you know buddy 🙂

[stuck summit]

Has anyone tested the 8bitdo bluetooth kit?

[knotty zealot]

what about an original n64 controller with a deamonbyte

[worn delta]

Nice one, thanks for checking and letting us know. 🙂

[patent dragon]

*sigh pack it in with the shitposting prick steven segal gifs please

[latent dagger]

I want someone to make a retro style side scroller beat em up with Steven Seagal in an office chair the whole time

[cerulean elk]

He could win a fight while sitting on the toilet

[cerulean elk]

I mean that Seagal prototype exists. Play that!

[vapid hawk]

just block all the segal people, it's basically @knotty zealot and @adventureTaco

[latent dagger]

nah, that's not good enough. he's standing and shoots a gun

it just needs to be him punching people while sitting in a chair

[vapid hawk]

they never say anything interesting ever anyway, literally just gifs, tbh they might be bots

[stuck summit]

That's gonna be 1ms I believe.

[knotty zealot]

so that's the solution then

[latent dagger]

you failed to ping taco properly

[vapid hawk]

you can't @ people you've blocked 😛

[latent dagger]

lol

I don't think they exist anymore

you didn't see anything

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-hide-you-didnt-see-anything-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-15123878

[wanton sun]

found out that discord has the perfect gif solution

[latent dagger]

I need that. where is that

[wanton sun]

settings -> accessibility

[latent dagger]

noice

[wanton sun]

(sorry basket)

[latent dagger]

bruh, there are times where I just don't want to see a gif because it's one of those kinds where it's just really uncomfortable on the eyes

I am glad you showed me that option

[knotty zealot]

but the toggle is for you, not me. so you're missing out on the great artist of our time while i am filled with joy.

besides, i've posted him so many times you're unable to get him out of your head

[languid dune]

I showed my brother-in-law the current status of the core yesterday after him not seeing it since a month ago, and he was absolutely floored by the progress. Always fun to show it off and explain how it progresses over time.

[elfin depot]

I like the timeline on @orchid nimbus 's website, really shows how fast things are moving.

[zinc dew]

SNAC Build

Grab the latest here - #1096015979055697940 message

(the SNAC build is courtesy of @desert crow; SNAC will need to be turned on in the core’s Systems menu, controller paks do not function, and only the SNAX and N64 SNAC adapter from https://misteraddons.com are verified to work)

[tidal zenith]

oh so this controller config robby pins even though the n64 one for the nso controller "wasn't relevant to testing"

[languid dune]

That build is a real SNAC!

Seeing the pinned message notifications gradually disappear in real time is mesmerizing.

[zinc dew]

Yes, I'm sorry. I had bad judgement with that previous call. That pinned message includes information for everyone regardless of what controller they're using.

[tidal zenith]

damnit why do you have to be so nice

[zinc dew]

I mean if you're going to call it out I need to own up to it.

[languid dune]

It's his puppy dog eyes. You just can't stay mad at Robby.

[neat sierra]

RTO is just execs copying each other because they only have so many easy to turn knobs and T-Rex managers whose ability to measure outcomes is only based on movement

[tidal zenith]

robby is the mod we need but dont deserve

I'd be such a douche

[neat sierra]

All that empty praise during covid, words are wind. Anyway I’ll stop off topicing

[mild ether]

We don't deserve him.

[neat sierra]

Robby > Jesus. WWRD

[zinc dew]

Please do not praise me. I appreciate it but I feel a bit uncomfortable by it.

I am doing what is expected, nothing more.

[vagrant ivy]

Robby iS AN IDIOT

[zinc dew]

the praise should go to Robert

[neat sierra]

Sorry Christian’s I’ll change that to the lesser known Jeezum so no one is sad

[safe robin]

Robby Cop

[neat sierra]

Robby made me write that in my heart

[zinc dew]

I'm just an idiot that makes pins and makes fun of games

y'all are testing and supporting Robert

praise yourselves

[brisk drum]

Dawwg forget the haters

[neat sierra]

According to one of my Hindu friends we are all God, but I think he meant Robby

[brisk drum]

Big ups to all my homies up in here

[mossy needle]

Aren't we on version 917

[fair stump]

I am fiending for some testing

[native mesa]

Doesn't GOAT presume the future too?

[mild ether]

This core coming along has been great. Really got me going again on learning assembly again so having a great time with it all. Don't even have a huge interest in the games except a handful of them. Testing is fun.

[zenith orchid]

which assembly are you learning?

[latent dagger]

I prefer GOOT, GOAG, or GOOG instead of GOAT

[native mesa]

Of our time?

Yeah better

[mild ether]

MIPS. Really great way to start it seems they use it to teach assembly in colleges.

[topaz otter]

Two young women covering their mouths and laughing, pointing

[mild ether]

Started a while ago patching PlayStation 2 games but kinda put it to the side and this core got me back into it.

Lots of fun once you get a feel for it and can start making your own changes to games.

[zenith orchid]

yeah, for N64, psx, ps2, and psp

[native mesa]

I hated assmbly in college

[languid dune]

You just revealed your weakness to all!

[zinc dew]

Y/C Composite Build

Download manually - https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/tree/main/_YCConsole

Download with "update_all" - add the following to your /media/fat/downloader.ini:

db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/db/db.json.zip```
*(thanks to @modern sleet for maintaining these Y/C builds and providing the automated workflow to make it easy to get latest)*

[native mesa]

He's gone rogue

[mortal panther]

Robby showing off his Pin-fu!

[languid dune]

I think Awbacon's constant 🔥 s have gradually turned Robby into a masochist. And praise now makes him uncomfortable. The whole "Hurt me more!" vibe.

[latent dagger]

dafuq? are you able to pin messages from out of thin air now or were these all already posted in here prior and you're just now pinning them?

[elfin depot]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

@zinc dew right now

[mortal panther]

I think he's rearranging them.

[zinc dew]

sorry for the interruption

[zinc dew]

yeah it sucks, unpinning/pinning is the only way to rearrange it

[mortal panther]

How dare you apologize! You're a mod now! Act like it! 🤣

[zinc dew]

I just realized we had YC Builds for the N64 core and I wanted to make sure our CRT friends are taken care of

[latent dagger]

lol I was like bro, when did this become a feature to pin out of thin air like that

[mild ether]

I hear lots of people find it difficult or not interesting but it's probably the only language I can look at and it looks straight forward to an extent. Writing something that does something useful though I can see how it would be really tedious. Not so bad if you need to just understand what is happening so you can change a program.

[latent dagger]

YC is even for component output?

[zinc dew]

Once we have controller pak support I'm removing the Fully Playable pin. There will be too many games that hit that criteria to make that post worthwhile.

[latent dagger]

I'll need to keep it in mind then if/when I get a non HD CRT to hook my mister to

[neat sierra]

YC is the natural state of n64, it loves it

[left depot]

Thx for the YC pin!

[native mesa]

I'd like a good YC simulation on mister

[languid dune]

I'm counting down the seconds until Mischief Makers is playable. It might be a lot of seconds.

[latent dagger]

for real though, is the YC build only for those using composite adapters or is it necessary for analog in general

[weak sierra]

What causes the flickering fonts in some games, mainly noticeable in DKR?

[daring meteor]

It does improve Analog for some people; But most don't need it

[native mesa]

An incomplete core mostly

[daring meteor]

Use it if the official Builds don't work

[left depot]

Seems unnecessary for some analog users, not me tho

[drowsy lantern]

Hey how does one get the controller test rom going? I only get a black screen. Pinned message says to load a savestate but we don't have save state loading anymore.

[weak sierra]

Well yeah, lol. Just wondering if it’s something that’s difficult to sort out.

[latent dagger]

ok. I was curious cuz of the CRT comment and I'm like, ye, I would be using component on CRT though not yellow composite so wasn't sure if it's for analog in general lol

[left depot]

Try main test build first 😬

[latent dagger]

I wouldn't touch composite for pretty much anything anymore. I'd rather RGB mod than use composite.

[brisk drum]

Spot on

[left depot]

Yeah I use s-video 👍

[latent dagger]

I'm potentially willing to use S-Video but even then... if I can get better I will

[daring meteor]

S Video is YC through

So for you obviousally you need YC build haha

[left depot]

No, s-video is working okay on some setups without YC build.

[chrome quest]

If you're on latest core, the controller test ROM noted in those previously discussions should just work now, no load state needed

[daring meteor]

Oh, really?
What type of adapter you use?

[left depot]

I think people are having success with direct video specifically, mine is Mister add onz

[drowsy lantern]

Hrm I got it here: https://github.com/sanni/controllertest/tree/master/N64-Port

And all I get is a black screen. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. All games work.

[chrome quest]

Main should now I think. But if it wasn't found then it won't know what to do with the ROM.
Try running Mario 64 first I think

[jade jetty]

Controller test rom doesn't require save state anymore

[drowsy lantern]

Nah it said auto-detect failed

[daring meteor]

Ah, yeah, that one can work at times

[drowsy lantern]

Oh I think I know what's wrong, hang on.

[daring meteor]

Guess its to do with the timing than

[drowsy lantern]

I installed the MiSTer main meant to test the joystick adjustment. I guess it doesn't have the code needed to read from N64 Database?

[zinc dew]

Correct, you'll need this - #1096015979055697940 message

[latent dagger]

how cursed is it to use a PS5 controller to play N64 games

[drowsy lantern]

Yes that's what I have.

[modern sleet]

The issue is keeping up with Roberts breakneck speed of releases so people are not using old YC builds 🙂

[jade jetty]

On a level of blessed to cursed, it's a meh

[chrome quest]

Try running Mario 64, then the controller ROM

[left depot]

Thanks for your contributions, Mike.

[zinc dew]

Your hardwork is greatly appreciated. My sincerest apologies for not pinning a link to your GitHub repository until now.

[mortal panther]

Horse whippings!

[latent dagger]

the beatings shall continue until moral improves

[jade jetty]

Winamp

[native mesa]

I miss winamp

[mortal panther]

Those are llama whippings 🙂

[latent dagger]

I find it funny how when you boil it down, that saying is basically saying "imma whip yo ass, until I can forcefully brainwash you via torture into being a masochist"

[native mesa]

Congratulations you've found the humor

[jade jetty]

Nothing like a little whipped llama on your coffee

[latent dagger]

I am seeing carl in my mind with these comments about llamas right now

[zinc dew]

Any special settings needed to have 007 - The World is not Enough load with the latest core?

[left depot]

How has the compatibility been since the recent YC improvements? I'm in Rome for the next few days and can't test unfortunately

[latent dagger]

The World Is Not Enough released on N64?

I thought that was PS1 deal

[drowsy lantern]

Oh this is so fucking dumb. Turns out you can't right-click -> Save on a file on Github

[latent dagger]

is it worse than the PS1 version?

[drowsy lantern]

So it saved the webpage and not the actual controller test rom itself -_-

[jade jetty]

Woah weird. Update all is running at 2x the scale it has historically for some reason

[zinc dew]

yeah it's confusing. You need to click the file name to bring it up in their editor and then right click the "RAW" button to save that.

[left depot]

I used to know but forgot lol. I'm more familiar with N64 version but would like to know

[latent dagger]

I mean, if anything, the only worse part would probably have to be the FMVs being hella compressed or even non existent

[left depot]

Oh well yeah lol

[latent dagger]

maybe some lack of special particle effects or something/more bland textures here and there but otherwise not much different I would think lol

lack of loading screens

probably better due to having a hardware z buffer

[left depot]

Yep cartridges ftw there

It's an underrated game imo, haven't played it in a long time

[latent dagger]

I played the PS1 version growing up

I like the movie. (I like all bond movies though)
I love the song done by Garbage

[daring meteor]

By the way, your patches (Not releases) have dissapeared from Github

Probably want to put them on again

[cerulean elk]

There needs to be like a big warning on GitHub about this

[latent dagger]

imma put garbage on and listen to that now lol

[cerulean elk]

I know exactly what to do and even still I sometimes do stuff too quick and screw it up

[left depot]

GitHub still confuses the shit outta me and idk who knows it lmao

I'm not a developer haha

[cerulean elk]

End of with a file containing HTML code 😂

[drowsy lantern]

Results with my 8bitdo SN30:

[latent dagger]

github is easy

[drowsy lantern]

That's good right?

[remote hatch]

good 🙂

[latent dagger]

at least from the perspective of a end user

[left depot]

Guess it's just me lmao

I find what I'm looking for eventually

[latent dagger]

you have two ways to primarily download something from GitHub.
If what you see on the main page is mostly source code, and it has been compiled for release, use the releases section (link to it on the right hand side)
Otherwise, sometimes the github page is the files themselves, and there is an option to the top right of the area with the files with a drop down arrow. if you click this, you can choose an option to clone as zip and download

[left depot]

Yeah it's the latter and searching through those directories sometimes

[mortal panther]

Did you check the pins? 😏

lol

[left depot]

Or God forbid having to compile something myself lmao

[latent dagger]

compiling yourself can sometimes be a pain, other times it's easy. depends really on what it is.

some gits have instructions for compiling

the problem is gits that don't and just assume you know what to do

[left depot]

They should definitely assume I don't know how lol

Does anyone know what Robert wants to work on next?

[cerulean elk]

🤣 good burn

[cerulean elk]

Compiling is so weird. Why does it take so long? Even with a high end cpu. How can I render a 20 minute 4K timeline with full color to a 40GB file yet “words in a glorified text doc turning into code” somehow is like the most intensive and time consuming thing ever 🤣

[left depot]

It's sorcery and it's evil, I tell you what

[tough wigeon]

Latest version was a big improvement for Majora's Mask. Town scenes no longer have black walls. I notice audio tends to cut out after 10-15 minutes and usually it's in scenes where there are a lot of NPCs running about making lots of short sound-effects like footsteps at the same time. Only other issue I found was after 45 minutes or so, ironically as I was going to save, in the menu the game stopped responding to controller inputs but was not fully-frozen (the UI elements were still animated, just acting like I was not doing anything.). Unfortunately the recent version fixed a weird memory glitch where my inventory was filled with Ocarinas. Now it just starts out empty. Oh well. 😄

[cerulean elk]

You’ll see if I’m the video at 4 CST today too. The Majora improvements are very good

[daring meteor]

Controller Pak

[daring meteor]

The most recent version allowed you to save at all

When Majoras Mask detects it can't save it fills your inventory with Ocarinas

If you want, you can change the save type in system settings and get to enjoy the 48 Ocarinas

[tough wigeon]

Crisin' USA plays great. Well, as far as that game plays anyway. I never liked the SF city map. 😉 Crusin' World looks great but renders slowly. I never played it on real hardware so I don't know if that's a "the game sucks anyways, move on" kind of issue.

[left depot]

Probably a stupid question but will controller pak support be virtual for a time or can we expect actual support?

[daring meteor]

SNAC's barely a thing yet haha

[left depot]

Ofc 👌

Its working in alpha apparently, which is remarkable. Basically it's like Christmas all the time lately

[tough wigeon]

It was also really cool to see THPS2 rendering menus better. Words are all garbled, but at least it's no longer a black screen and more UI elements show up. Definitely a leap ahead of the previous build.

[left depot]

That game is classic. Was just playing the remake today.

[cerulean elk]

Nobody has mentioned my second fav game coming alive with the new save functions yet. I’m upset lol

[left depot]

I'm out of town and out of the loop about new games working

Do tell?

[daring meteor]

Pokémon Snap?

Pokémon Puzzle League?

[cerulean elk]

Crash Bandicoot

(Cubivore)

[left depot]

Ah. I looked that game up and... passed on it

For the GC as well yes?

[daring meteor]

Cubivore isn't a Flash game

[cerulean elk]

It wouldn’t get past a save warning until this weekends core

I tried it. Andy D tried it. Just wouldn’t get you in game

Looked up; it’s flash

1Mbit

[daring meteor]

Japanese games be funny

[cerulean elk]

Whaaaaat? I spend three minutes in the vid going out later today singing it’s praises as high art

[left depot]

Is it fair to say it is an acquired taste?

[cerulean elk]

Like I kinda forgot to even say “oh hey it works on the core” lol.

[cerulean elk]

I put it in the “essential gaming” category. With titles like Grim Fandango. Which I mentioned in the VO

Like just experiences anyone into games should have at least once

[daring meteor]

OOoooooh Cubivore is unrealeased

That's why it wasn't on my list

[cerulean elk]

They made Cubivore and Jungle Park (Saru Brunei) and both are just these esoteric and weird experiences that are must plays

[left depot]

Released on GC I believe

Rare asf

[daring meteor]

Yeah, unreleased on N64

[left depot]

Basically that's all I know haha

[cerulean elk]

Ahh yes. It’s a dumped basically final prototype before it’s cancellation and move to GameCube

[daring meteor]

No that's Dinosaur Planet

[cerulean elk]

This is their first game

[daring meteor]

This is Saru Brunei, not Rare

[left depot]

Haha no I meant scarce

[cerulean elk]

And yes I own the limited edition Japanese exclusive PC/MAC version of Jungle Park 🤣

[left depot]

Was it for console

Hopefully you guys can hear that gif btw 👍

[cerulean elk]

Jungle Park? Yeah for Apple Pippin and Saturn

I may own three copies hahaha

[brisk drum]

Scotty pippin

[left depot]

Ah Saturn. Looking forward to that core and discovering that system.

[cerulean elk]

I got them all way back in the day when a Saturn copy was more expensive to ship than to buy and when you could buy sealed Pippin games for the cost of a dollar menu combo at a fast food joint

Jungle Park on Saturn is still like a $7-10 dollar game

PS1 version is weirdly $20

PC/MAC version who knows. Never shows up. Same with Pippin. Probably stupid money now

Ok sorry I went on a Jungle Park tangent lol. Play Cubivore! Works great on the current core lol

[left depot]

I'll check it out, at least once 👍

[cerulean elk]

(But jungle park basically has no real language in it so it’s infinitely playable)

[left depot]

I've been waiting for a check for the last 20 minutes lol

Europe hits... different

How many more hours until your video touches down? So I don't have to compute the time differences hah

[cerulean elk]

2 hours, 7 minutes

[left depot]

Alright cool imma watch then go to bed

[quick arch]

For cracked version of Jet Force Gemini, it says it uses SRAM for saving but the database set flash automatically for this game
I tried to set SRAM but the game still hangs at the boot

[daring meteor]

It doesn't seem to be a saving problem

I am very curious whenever Robert solves this what the problem was

Its the only nonbooting N64 game that isn't TLB that people care about

[worn delta]

Is this an error in the .txt file that needs amended? Does the retail version also wrong save type set in the .txt?

[left depot]

That game is pretty rare, right?

The compatibility chart looks correct

[chilly ember]

Far as I know, it's supposed to use flash

[drowsy lantern]

It's quite Rare indeed. Hur hur.

[chilly ember]

Cracked version changes to cic to 6102 tho

[quick arch]

Maybe but I don't see on the database which one needs to be change because three entries are CIC6102 NTSC

[woeful beacon]

I plan to complete Star Soldier and will keep this group updated if I can, and we can add to completable

[quick arch]

Checking with Ares it is flash on the manifest ...

[woeful beacon]

do you all update the build #'s for regression analysis or do you assume completed will stay completed?

build N64_20230915 - I was able to complete
Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha Sin and Punishment: Earth Successor - translated version

I can redo it on the non translated version I am sure

this is already completable as of 9/10 but I dont know if you want this kind of info or not

[topaz otter]

FRAM does not require a battery to back up its data. This saves significant cost and board space.

this stuff was expensive in 1998

sram with a battery backup was literal pennies

[sly wasp]

You're confusing input lag with frame rate slowdown.
Mario 64 has frame rate slowdown (mistakingly called "lag" sometimes) but back to input lag : Your hdmi TV adds between 10ms to 100ms input lag so then compounding the problem/ adding 16ms input lag from your N64 controller could easily make the difference between life or death in-game.
Pro gamers & speedrunners try to keep input lag under 15ms. Casuals & enthusiasts usually comfortable <40. Beyond 50ms: noticeable & affects playability.
= why MiSTer input lag tables (https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency) and tv input lag database (https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag) & why hardware creators nowadays try to minimise input lag. Probably veering a bit off-topic though so happy to continue this in https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/806024374368075776

[storm parrot]

My only experience of SF before visiting it in 2012 (before dystopia) was that map from Crusin' USA. Surprisingly, it felt exactly like in the game.

[vapid hawk]

lower framerates also inherently add more input delay

like it's 16.6ms at 60fps, and double that at 30fps

[tough wigeon]

You're not wrong. Then again, I don't like driving in SF either. 😄

[native mesa]

Mike looks like he never sleeps

[woeful beacon]

So any official readings of these? I just bought the N64 NSO Controller 12 frames sounds absolutely f***ing insane, do you mean 12 MS?

[stuck summit]

It's 12ms, yeah

[woeful beacon]

I am curious when I get it, how it will feel, I usually use retrobit saturn, brook UFB, or 8bitdo gbros, and these are all like <1frame input lag

oh thats fine

[native mesa]

Did Robert get to enjoy some R&R today?

[woeful beacon]

its not amazing but anything under 1 frame is fine

I wont notice <1 frame usually

[stuck summit]

I only notice it for NES games

[brisk edge]

The Nintendo NSO controllers specifically are quite laggy wired or wireless. To a point that it's a bit more noticeable above your standard Bluetooth or 3rd party controllers

[stuck summit]

mostly because of muscle memory

[brisk edge]

I think the N64 one is the least offensive of the bunch? At least, I didn't have too much of an issue with it so far, but I can definitely tell there's something there more than most controllers

[mortal panther]

Would love to see the numbers to support that claim.

[topaz otter]

Playing it on an emulator with an xbox controller has more latency than that

Average computer monitor itself adds 12-15ms

[brisk edge]

The numbers I've seen are from the above linked controller latency table: https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency

[woeful beacon]

yes but those say wireless

right...

and those were taken before the recent update?

the one that added wired capability?

I could be wrong there

[brisk edge]

Fair point

[woeful beacon]

I guess I am very curious!

also many n64 games I play are a bit sloshy anyways

it'll be harder to tell for sure

[brisk edge]

I hadn't thought about the recent changes affecting latency

[topaz otter]

An xbox wired controller has 8ms of latency

[mortal panther]

I was referring to the N64 controller specifically. I can't wait until that one is formally tested (USB and BT) to put all the speculation about it to rest once and for all. All I know is that I've used some crap controllers before, and the NSO N64 via USB feels fantastic to me.

[woeful beacon]

correct

err

as In - I was also talking about the N64 controller (from NSO)

I am curious what official tests say for wired

[weary beacon]

and does the NSO N64 controller work with 1ms polling?

[woeful beacon]

it freakin better hahaha

hope to god it does...

sorry I'm not really understanding your point @topaz otter , - for me <10ms input lag is preferable from a controller standpoint, for me, when it gets closer to 1 frame (e.g. 17ms) it compounds with my LCD (10ms), making an unfortunate effect for some retro games. I havent had this issue with any of my current controllers yet tho. MiSTer has been pristine

as far as PC emulators, they vary so much I dont want to compare that to mister, it all depends on so many factors

[topaz otter]

I'm saying that the NSO controller lag is high but its not the worst way to play

the way most people experience n64 games is on an emulator on a pc, the lag is way worse on that but most people don't notice

[zinc dew]

Its fine. If the spreadsheet said 6ms most of us wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference anyways.

The important thing is that it’s not bad and nearly all N64 games run at 30fps or lower.

[woeful beacon]

yeah sounds good to me

as long as its not like freakin 30 ms or somethin

[zinc dew]

There was another wireless controller recommended here that might be a good buy as well.

@visual wadi, aka RetroFrog, put together a great video covering this controller - https://x.com/toddsnerdcave/status/1700169466343014505

Todd Gill - Retro Frog (@ToddsNerdCave)

Looking for IMO the BEST #N64 controller for the #MiSTerFPGA?

Check out the Saffun N64 2.4 GHz Wireless controller.

I've been using it for several days now and it's awesome. Works straight out of the box with MiSTer with zero extra work required.

https://t.co/9JhtCrVI8F

▶ Play video

Twitter · Sep 8, 2023, 3:29 PM

[weary beacon]

Very Thanks!with MikeS N64YCBeta_20230917.rbf core I have much stable analog out, my tv only goes out of sync when loading rom

[zinc dew]

That’s awesome! Please don’t thank me, thank Mike!

[silent marten]

Someone here earlier said in Animal Forest's English Patch that something goes wrong after paying off your initial loan to Tom Nook, I just did this and he is doing the remodel of my house, will report back if anything is broken

[weary beacon]

Thanks to MikeS for the core and Thank you for share!

[topaz otter]

those mini ps1 controllers that come with the playstation classic also work great on the mister

I didn't have to screw with them at all, they don't have analog sticks though

[mortal panther]

Great performers, yes.

[zealous hull]

iirc, I believe the whole patch is unstable and shouldn't be considered anything more than a beta build at best
the patch readme really stresses that. haha

[silent marten]

Yeah, I just want to see how far I can get before something goes wrong hahaha

[zealous hull]

good luck! I played up until my gyroid let me save the game yesterday

[silent marten]

I basically played a little further than that to the point Tom tells you to go do some stuff for some villagers, then today I checked to see if it noticed a day had passed and people were saying this is the first time I have spoken to you today and Tom even said good to see you back again today etc, then someone mentioned it will break after you pay off the house and before the remodel is complete and sure I can cheat it and just say now that a day has passed but I want to do it as legit as possible

I bought a shovel and dug in a glowing area and got 10k bells from it which is how I payed it off so fast xD

I need a fishing rod and a net though

[zealous hull]

I'm haven't actually tested it with Dōbutsu no Mori (it is listed as supported though), but here is a tool I've used in the past for the GCN.

https://github.com/Cuyler36/ACSE

Only thing is, is something breaks it's just as likely to be the patch as it is the core. 😅 So I haven't really been focusing much on it.

[silent marten]

That is cool, I probably won't use it but it is good to know about 🙂

But I will need someone to test something when we get controller pak support

Would like to see if someone could visit my town

[fair stump]

@silent marten has the honors of trying to complete an animal crossing for the test sheet 😆

[silent marten]

If my save hasn't patch corrupted by that point xD

[fair stump]

Did the n64 version have the nes games as well?

[silent marten]

Does it have an ending, I never finished one

[zinc dew]

No, that was added for the GameCube version.

[fair stump]

I highly doubt it haha

[silent marten]

I thought this was the case but almost googled it hahaha

[topaz otter]

does animal crossing on the N64 have a translation

or was it in english I can't remember

[chilly ember]

Japan only release

There is a translation but it's incomplete and buggy

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/1581/

[silent marten]

I was looking at a guide to see how to transfer character/town data to another person and found a faq which says there are NES games in the N64 version 😮

Not as many but there are like 5

[woven olive]

I bought one of these trident controllers and it has been great. The fit/finish leaves a little bit to be desired vs an oem controller. You can feel some seams and things. But the stick, dpad, and main buttons feel great. The center menu buttons feel pretty spongy but you aren't using those buttons much.

[zinc dew]

Thanks for the impressions!

[elfin depot]

Fuddlesticks, doesn't support "Tesla Model" or Commodore 64

[mortal panther]

Well shit...

Never mind then.

[chilly ember]

No c64 support is a deal breaker

[cerulean elk]

lolol who tested those?

I mean kudos for being thorough but wow

https://youtu.be/fYsfQaeBcSw

Cubivore time!

[mortal panther]

You keep plugging this guy's channel. You must really like his content.

[cerulean elk]

dudes a bum

[mortal panther]

He means well, I'm sure.

[cerulean elk]

ask @languid dune or @brisk drum they hate him too

[mortal panther]

That's only because they can't understand him. He talks too fast. 😉

[cerulean elk]

he talks at a perfect cadence. Legendary even

[mortal panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLP6oT3uqV8

[compact skiff]

I bought a no name brand controller off eBay that looks identical to this one. I'll post my impressions once I get it.

[vapid moat]

Still hoping he pins this particular image:

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew pin this. I decree it

[vapid moat]

[cerulean elk]

needs two more eyes to honor the core though

[mortal panther]

He must submit to the will of his constituents, lest they revolt.

[cerulean elk]

If Robby pins it I will publically admit GARBAGE GAME 64 is good

[mortal panther]

Well now he'll do it out of spite... but the end result is still the same, so... go for it. 😄

Oh... and he needs to rearrange all of the pins (again) so that picture is always the first one seen.

[cerulean elk]

Lets make @brisk drum in charge here. Then itll just be pinned memes and Seagal gifs

[vapid moat]

The highest honor I can get

[inner bronze]

Add the forbidden game to the CRT image

[cerulean elk]

someone isnt asking for a mention in an N64 video lol. I feel diminished 😆 (kidding)

[inner bronze]

I had never heard of Cubivore

[cerulean elk]

my hope is this video makes at least a few people play Cubivore

[inner bronze]

In fact, I dont think the game title is written anywhere so I kept hearing Cube of War

[cerulean elk]

Its mostly known for being insanely expensive on GameCube for a US copy

like its on every list of most expensive. I think its near to a $750 game mint now and maybe $1500 sealed

[inner bronze]

Oh wow

Ill leave that to the collector fetishists, Im in the preservation camp

[cerulean elk]

It’s dirt cheap as a Japanese copy. $20 complete hshsally

Usually*

Another convert 🙂

[zinc dew]

it's a sticker now

[vapid moat]

[zinc dew]

WHAT HAVE I DONE

[cerulean elk]

That 4 looks suspiciously like a 9 at that resolution. Just saying

[native mesa]

I got invited to watch... football

[cerulean elk]

My wife and I “watch” but mostly we eat snacks and I chat on discord while football happens

[native mesa]

Yeah I was like... I'll eat and drink beer

[elfin depot]

My Sisters husband is faculty at a university in the US. Being from Canada it was quite a culture shock how serious university level football is taken down south.

[cerulean elk]

That’s all anyone does

I don’t even know who’s playing. I just know it’s on at 7

[native mesa]

You should see the families that take high school football seriously

[brisk drum]

Bruhh you mad?

[elfin depot]

They (people in the town) have BBQ's, specifically that fit in the receiver hitch of the trucks so they can take it to the parking lot during the game. As Facatly he's expected to have season tickets and attend at least a few games (not that he minds), pretty wild.

[native mesa]

Yeah tailgating

[elfin depot]

But like, the whole town

[cerulean elk]

I may have done football food wrong lol

[vapid moat]

Y/C Build being quite decent

[cerulean elk]

Roasting a farm chicken with bouquet garni with lemon and onion in the cavity

[brisk drum]

You ever seen scary movie 2 ?

[cerulean elk]

Forever ago

[native mesa]

Yeah OSU is like that

[brisk drum]

There’s a funny turkey stuffing scene ..

Not that’s a Turkey but it’s essentially the same

[native mesa]

Turkey is a little less mutated

[cerulean elk]

Lol now I remember

[native mesa]

It's weird that we eat horrifically mutated chickens like pugs.

Here are natural chickens

They can fly too

[deft tree]

poor pojo

[quaint pewter]

Andy is either an absolute asset, or an absolute ass-hat? LOL https://youtu.be/fYsfQaeBcSw?si=D2YHunGLAh_fCoda&t=220

3:40

[weary beacon]

Watch out for the ban hammer with that comment!

[quaint pewter]

I hope not. I just thought it was funny and hard to tell which it was, even though in context it's obvious. 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Lol I wish I’d said the funny one not the asset one

Really @zinc dew 🤣

[manic basin]

It's what I heard at first, too and I cracked up a little.

[quaint pewter]

Just saw in the comments that ragesauce said the same thing. LOL

[chilly ember]

From page 69 in the conkers bad fur day Nintendo strategy guide

[compact depot]

Butt head

[manic basin]

huhhhuhuhuh...that waths cool.

[cerulean elk]

How is there not a joke on page 69

[chilly ember]

Butt Dracula is all that's there unfortunately haha

[polar spoke]

I’m using a mayflash usb adapter to use an original controller on the core. But it’s not letting me map the C-Up and C-Right buttons. Anyone have any suggestions?

[weary beacon]

You tried two different controllers to rule out a bad one?

[quaint pewter]

Does it have any controls on the adapter to swap between Switch and PC mode or something like that? Some of the adapters I've seen have multiple modes

[cerulean elk]

Did you just comment on my YT video?

You did! I saw the username

[polar spoke]

It was me all along!! @cerulean elk

[polar spoke]

Yes I have

[polar spoke]

No it does not

[cerulean elk]

Try rebinding the controller in the main OS. I’ve had issues with buttons that refuse to bind that somehow were fixed just by redoing that portion. And a few people in comments I’ve suggested try and had luck with it

Case in point when the core first came out my Switch Pro refused to give me analog controls even though I’d used it with other cores. Rebind in main OS and it came alive

Like Frampton did that one time

[zinc dew]

gave it a dislike, my job here is done

[mortal panther]

Hands: washed clean

[weary beacon]

I love getting an australian thumbs up!

[polar spoke]

Yeah I was thinking about trying to bind the c buttons as another stick in the main OS

[lilac scroll]

I cherish my complete copy

[orchid nimbus]

It’s funny - now that it works people don’t mention it anymore

[languid dune]

We mention it in our hearts every day.

[cerulean elk]

I sold mine lol

[orchid nimbus]

Hype it up - sell it

[cerulean elk]

Sold it for a mint and used it to buy near to 100 cheaper games and still had some left over

I sometimes bail on stupid priced games and then use that money for other more fun stuff. If I can sell a Cubivore for $$$ and get a complete $20 Japanese copy and have a shit ton left over for new stuff I do it

[orchid nimbus]

A mod told me they have a whole collection with -quest64- mentions

[languid dune]

If you say you haven't said it before, they have the receipts!

[mortal panther]

You mean, you don't value bragging rights @cerulean elk? How else are you going to pay your mortgage without all those Internet cool points? 😉

[orchid nimbus]

Doesn’t matter - rules are to be broken

[weary beacon]

Retro collections incure more interest than my wifes IRA.

[orchid nimbus]

Your wife alone does too

😉 j/k

[weary beacon]

I have a funny joke but.....I'm not in the club so I'll just keep to myself 😉

[cerulean elk]

Lol I love rare, not expensive

[vague socket]

Guys. I’ve not tried the core yet, waiting till it seems close to finished. But isn’t it being on update all script kinda premature? (Opening up a lot of comments that xyz doesn’t work)

[weary beacon]

Don't use it if you don't like it.

[mortal panther]

It's on update_all if you want it to be.

[vapid hawk]

its not really on update-all , you have to add it in yourself

[vague socket]

Ahh, makes more sense mate

[vapid hawk]

update-all can get practically anything you want if you put it in that config file 🙂

[weary beacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dlLQ6L4it4 This is what I am eating right now. See you later. Your welcome!

[vague socket]

Yeah, gotcha. Kinda forgot it has all the beta options (or whatever they call the early access cores etc) thank you

[compact depot]

Wait, does Q 6 4 work with the core already? 😱😱

[weary beacon]

Duckula, Count Duckula!

[fair stump]

I just ordered one of these, I'm putting all my faith in your recommendation

[cerulean elk]

Unfortunately

[hollow pebble]

I won’t stand for this Quest 64 hate.

[vapid hawk]

if almost everything boots now does that include castlevania64 ?

[worn delta]

Keep an eye on the sheet, but those ones aren't booting as far as I recall, think they need TLB?

[vapid hawk]

ah

[dense wagon]

Be interesting to see that Saffun controller - sorry if i spam in a few days to see if anyone tested it 🙂 largely because i can get it where i am haha

mostly interested in if its as hypersensitive as the cheapy ones or if its close to the n64

[cerulean elk]

Chickens done

[worn delta]

Quest 64 I think is very playable (or as playable as it ever was) but since it requires the Controller Pak to save unless you are a masochist who wants to beat it in one sitting you are not going to be able to beat it

[ocean lily]

sounds like time for a speedrun

[zinc dew]

I wish I could let you know but I’ve never used one

[orchid nimbus]

No that would be @iron dove 🙂 which is not me lol

[orchid nimbus]

Sometimes you just can’t explain things

[devout leaf]

Donald is a monster

[orchid nimbus]

Yes perfectly

Uncle where is Daisy Duck ? 😉

[fair stump]

I figured 😄 just funning around

[devout leaf]

What's the status of Zelda? MQ only?

[vapid hawk]

the gamecube rom works too

there's a few graphical bugs remaining but its very playable

[devout leaf]

Nice! So many new builds too

[vapid hawk]

someone completed it

[tidal glade]

She is a princess

[worn delta]

I think with OOT you still need to play the GC version unless something changes in the last build and sheet not updated

[devout leaf]

Awesome excited to try it soon.

[weary beacon]

You know normally I don't like TAS. Perhaps a TAS would be useful to play games to completion or show us where the issue is.

[weary beacon]

I stand corrected

[fair stump]

That's actually an interesting idea

[chilly ember]

Just need a patch for the Gamecube version so the credits work because Gamecube version tries to load the fmv from disc

[gritty current]

plus if there's a problem it's likely 100% reproducible

[cerulean elk]

Duck made a chicken. So what

Showing his dominance over other species

[compact depot]

Great idea. Let’s put those speedrunners to mark games as completable in the spreadsheet

[worn delta]

I don't think any of our cores support TAS do they? I assume implementation is quite involved, but is a smart way to test if it does work, especially if you were to record a video of it that could be checked after.

[weary beacon]

Only time I seen it was with using rob the robot for nes TAS.

[hollow orbit]

I’m sure you could like… hook up an arduino through snac? Whatever they do for the tasbot

https://store.tas.bot/owna/index.php/product/tastm32-version-4-with-rj45-console-breakout-boards/

Pricy

[chilly ember]

was curious if Majora's Mask wouldn't hang at the ocarina part with zelda during the first clock tower fight if the audio was still working. So i downloaded the practice rom and skipped right to the fight and it worked

So i guess it's probably tied to audio not working somehow

[cerulean elk]

Def seems tied to it

There must be some sort of check on the audio and the game expects a response for a certain sample played since the ocarina triggers certain aspects of the game. No audio = no “handshake” = crash. Or that’s what I’d guess. Or a variant of that concept

Almost like the ocarina sections set a flag in the game to denote something and that flag / response is when a certain sound plays. Game has no clue what to do when that check fails

[chilly ember]

Yea something like that, I wonder if I can find where the audio stops working to see if can reproduce it

Probably is just random tho

[iron trail]

Yeah a few people noticed this yesterday too. Robert speculated it might be happening due to slowdowns in clock town. Others were able to get the audio bug to occur there too. Even if you make it past this part, and save... if audio hangs again, it locks up at the next song you learn (e.g. song of healing)

Edit: south clock town specifically is where it's happening most often for me*

The audio bug happens on the GCN version of MM too

[chilly ember]

I tried majora's Mask this morning and got the audio bug when I was in east clock Town then got the hang at the Zelda song part

[zinc dew]

Yeah after I got the hang, I reloaded my save and blitzed through the intro while the audio still worked and was able to bypass it. Robert is aware and it’s on his things to fix list but lower priority.

[cerulean elk]

I’d just love to know the reason behind it. See if my presumption is correct or not

[woeful beacon]

I died on the last attack of the TLB on Star Soldier Vanishing Earth... on a 1cc run... can we call that completable lol

[cerulean elk]

I get we won’t find out the answer to every freeze but some really pique my interest

[ebon oyster]

I always wondered what Linux's vi editor was named for.

[mortal panther]

So, basically anyone who plays ends up getting well hung?

[zinc dew]

lol

[ebon oyster]

<insert Kentucky Fried Movie reference here>

[mortal panther]

quickly fires up MiSTer
Don't mind me. I'm just... checking out the Saturn core... yeah, that's the ticket.

[iron dove]

Lol, what's up?

[ebon oyster]

@orchid nimbus just needs to rename to @VampierQuacker to eliminate the confusion.

[iron dove]

ahh, eh tbh its the first ive seen anyone mix us up since he changed avatar

[compact depot]

Very Irritating editor for sure

Me runs 💨

[weary beacon]

Well I'm a huge fan from back in the day.

[chilly ember]

I just blitzed through my save on regular non patched and got past the hang too. Guess just gotta be fast lol

[weary beacon]

Nice to meet you,

[iron dove]

I loved it as a kid so much, folks wanting him to be evil but he's just rather not 🙂

[zinc dew]

Banana Man > Count Duckula

[iron dove]

that, danger mouse, trap door and some others were all on ABC TV here in Aus

haha watched that too

[weary beacon]

for sure, I liked everything but the nannys voice, but you put up with it. One of the gems from the day.

[iron dove]

but my responses to that are NSFW so ill say I liked both

[zinc dew]

I’m kidding I liked it all

[iron dove]

me too, its just too easy to make phallic jokes from 'bannana man' 🙂

[zinc dew]

lol

I’m playing commander keen on the n64 game

[iron dove]

oh wow, someone ported keen to 64?

[zinc dew]

yes and it works surprisingly

I can’t link it since I think it includes the whole game but search “OmniSpeak64”

[iron dove]

nice, i played some of them via the commander genius interpreter on PC/android, same one?

ahh nope, differnt

[zinc dew]

it’s Goodbye Galaxy

[iron dove]

found it, cheers

[weary beacon]

They were ok. Then I got hooked on duke nukem, 2d. Jazz jack rabbit and jill of the jungle, hugos house of horrors

[iron dove]

I didnt have an intel PC till win95 days so came to a lot of those quite late

[weary beacon]

I give him props. I'm not sure I could go back to them.

they were the best we had then though.

[zinc dew]

I love the Apogee games

[pale granite]

neat, I like to see good ports of PC games to console

[iron dove]

does the n64 port emulate pc speaker sounds?

i need that low-fi goodness

[pale granite]

presumably

[weary beacon]

mt32 FTW

[pale granite]

its a port of the whole engine so you figure sound is included

[iron dove]

When I think keen I think PC speaker jank 🙂

[weary beacon]

for sure, I'm not sure if it had midi honestly. I never had that ability in the day.

[zinc dew]

Sorta, audio doesn’t work well

[iron dove]

gotcha
Man seeing pilotwings display correctly really makes me happy. Game doesnt get a lot of love but was one of the 2 games I had from launch and played the heck out of it

compared to superfx stuff or even some software rendered games on PC it felt like real three dee

[zinc dew]

I mean it was literally one of the two games at launch haha

I rented it, didn’t own it, but I really enjoyed it

[iron dove]

yeah, they were the only games I owned for the system for quite a while, rented a heap

in aus im pretty sure shadow of the empire was out at launch also

love your work with keeping the pins up to date for newcommers Robby

Robby: ppl keep checking out my pins
Mrs Robby: <looks at shorts> Huh?

[zinc dew]

lolol

[iron dove]

lark in this game is so Nester