Nintendo 64

[zinc dew]

In the future we may have the option to add our own entries with a user database

[mystic current]

resolved ✅

issue: boot.rom and boot1.rom shasum did not match reqd

[zinc dew]

That’s wonderful to hear 🥳

[orchid nimbus]

See the GitHub comment 😉

[mystic current]

thx all for help, much appreciated 🙏

[zinc dew]

You mean this?

“Initial commit of the N64 Database. The file is the combined work of the following contributors: Markun \ yxkalle \ Andy D”

Oh yeah the readme, that’s where I got that info

[orchid nimbus]

Yup

[nova grotto]

Any new games working ?

[safe robin]

Today's build Was more a small step as I understand, so I guess no

[manic basin]

Lots of homebrew. Doom PC port ran great. Angry Australians. Flappy Bird.

[brisk drum]

We gotta wait for the TLC to drop

[weary beacon]

Tinder Loving care?

[mortal panther]

The Last Cartridges

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/tlc-waterfalls-dont-go-chasing-90s-music-dancing-gif-17860659

[velvet nexus]

flashbacks

[weary beacon]

Right. I remembering watching the video and saying hey, That's from "The gate: To the mind's eye"

[cerulean elk]

Go home taco you are drunk again

I think this weekend unless there are any massive changes I might work up a fun 15 minute “where it started, where we are video” showing the early core and what it does now. Really hammer home the warp speed progress

[fallen sparrow]

That's a good idea

[cerulean elk]

Get a lotta side by sides of games day 1 to day now

[fallen sparrow]

Start it with talk of how this core was considered impossible

[cerulean elk]

You steal that idea and I’m gonna sick sausage fingers on you! (Kidding. I don’t have his number..1-800-fingers)?

[weary beacon]

VGE does that so often and shows original and then the new core. People seem to like it.

[native mesa]

We need perfect dark by the end of the year. That game takes place in 2023

[cerulean elk]

I like visual illustrative examples

[fallen sparrow]

Nah, too much effort for me lol. I'm having to squeeze stuff in-between work. I've even been skipping intros to get stuff out

[cerulean elk]

Haha and I’m just kidding anyway

Except for the sausage king part. That’s too funny

[fallen sparrow]

I actually had sausage, beans, mushrooms and hash browns for dinner.

[cerulean elk]

He couldn’t even use an N64 controller with those brat fingers

[fallen sparrow]

I nearly bit my finger by accident

Need to dip those in gravy

[native mesa]

Weiner sausage

[cerulean elk]

Making dill and garlic cream sauce for salmon with fingerling potatoes for dinner. Swedish kinda meal

[cerulean elk]

Sounds delicious

[fallen sparrow]

Was definitely nice

[cerulean elk]

Blood sausage? That’s my fav. Well was…it’s got wheat in it…at least in the US

[fallen sparrow]

Nah, I'm not a blood guy.
One of my best friends used to chomp up black pudding. Makes me sick

[cerulean elk]

I love it. Rich, meaty with a little bit of that irony liver flavor

Granted you only want like 4 oz total then it gets a bit overwhelming

[primal bolt]

im making tacos with jalepnos, garlic, extra sharp cheddar, and hot salsa

[cerulean elk]

You know the core has slowed when it’s 6:14 and we’re talking food in here lol

[manic basin]

I don't need spoonable osso buco.

[cerulean elk]

No new core updates…so we talk sausage varieties

[primal bolt]

I dedicate this meal to Adventure Taco

[manic basin]

It's some kind of fest.

[weary beacon]

Jalapeno's are the bomb. Only second to my new fav, Sugar Rush Peach, Mo Heat, Mo Sweet mmmm.

[fallen sparrow]

The classic ring burner 🔥🔥🔥

[fallen sparrow]

Jalapeno on 🍕 Pizza is epic, needs pepperoni too, and pineapple 🍍

[primal bolt]

yea i love em

[carmine kettle]

bluetooth controller not working eventhough its map

[weary beacon]

I only do pineapple on pizza when I do ham, or chicken BBQ pineapple hawaiian pizza. It's got it's place for sure.

[weary beacon]

NSO?

[fallen sparrow]

The NSO one. Mine works flawlessly. Make sure you're on latest unstable

[desert crow]

did someone say 🍍 🍕

[fallen sparrow]

Btw, any new game or major improvements with today's core update?

[fallen sparrow]

Oh yeah

[carmine kettle]

still

let me try something else

gotta put my 8bitdo in input mode

[dense wagon]

@fallen sparrow no huge changes, a couple things boot which didnt before apparently but not major changes apparently.

Rogue squadron still has its missing main menu, but i did the button mashing to get into the game as you recommended 😄

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks.
Rogue Squadron definitely made my day. I'd love to meet up with a friend who I used to play the game with. I knew him from the age of one. Unfortunately drugs have gotten the better of him, and he always avoids me.

[dense wagon]

Ah 😦 sorry to hear. 😦

yeah my memory of the N64 is largely me and my mate simon playing golden eye and zelda haha

[fallen sparrow]

All good, I miss him, but he's a grown man, and there his choices

Golden eye was just too good.

[vapid moat]

Bummer how I never grew up with Gokden Eye

[fallen sparrow]

It was the multiplayer game of its day

[vapid moat]

All I had was Expansion Pak-less Perfect Dark and 007: World is Not Enough-game

[fallen sparrow]

Well you can catch up now

[weary beacon]

With the rule no one picks oddjob 😉

[covert bough]

perfect dark mp is by and large an extension of golden eye mp

[fallen sparrow]

We never had that rule.

Btw, one of my favourite custom games was proximity mines and pistols.

Worked great

[dense wagon]

yeah so i got Perfect Dark when the N64 was already kinda dead and gone, but i played it at a friends place... we stayed up to like 6am playing it... i think i went out to the nearest 2nd hand game store and got it right away.

[fallen sparrow]

Never really played it beyond a couple of games

[dense wagon]

Played it to death, its way better than goldeneye as a game

[covert bough]

worth checking out, even on the xbox version with slightly more modern controls

[fallen sparrow]

I get that, it just came late

[covert bough]

was known for its bot options

[dense wagon]

yeah definitely worth checking out 😄 haha yeah the bot multiplayer was crazy haha

[fallen sparrow]

At least for me and my crew

[dense wagon]

hardcore bots with the farsight was just.... unfair

[fallen sparrow]

I wanna play the PC port on the Steam Deck, that way, I might finish the game

[covert bough]

I played through both PD games recently on xbox, the 360 one is way different

feels more cod with its mp

[fallen sparrow]

Nice

[chilly ember]

I finished the Xbox 360 version on perfect agent, the later levels can get a little ridiculous

[dense wagon]

Wait wait... there a pc port of the original?

[fallen sparrow]

I can only really finish games on Handhelds, that is my life now lol

[covert bough]

its the decompilation port I believe

[fallen sparrow]

A fan project, I actually covered it in a video yesterday (self plug 😂)

[chilly ember]

Pc port is still a work in progress but it's looking good from what i've seen

[dense wagon]

Omg, yeah I'll be checking the video out 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

Plays great

[covert bough]

you guys have been hustlin with the videos lately

[chilly ember]

Devs of the ocarina of time pc port are supposedly working on their own pc port of perfect dark too

[covert bough]

oh thats cool

[carmine kettle]

crusin extica works now sort off

[fallen sparrow]

I know, the channel is growing at a good speed, so I'd rather not take the foot off the gas.

Just means I can't actually play much for fun lol

[dense wagon]

Yeah haha I was once monetized due to a single video of mine getting plugged by the developers of elite dangerous haha

[covert bough]

i wonder how many active mister users are on youtube

[fallen sparrow]

At this moment, I'm warning around £200 a month in ad revenue. Half goes to my wife, for putting up with me lol

[carmine kettle]

some visual graphic are missing

[weary beacon]

I was doing videos. Everything was great. Then John Williams decided to copywrite strike my sega cd hook video and I quit making more after.

[dense wagon]

Yeah I never made that much haha

But thay first couple months on that one video I did about 200 canadian

Actually no it was in pounds, I was in the uk at the time

But awesome I only just discovered the channel so haha you'll get a few more clicks 😉

Friend of mine has a channel, mostly retro stuff... he's super into the spectrum next

[weary beacon]

If you want more subs post your channel(if allowed) and I'll sub to ya. or msg me.

[dense wagon]

I'll slap it up, if not allowed.... sorry! Don't ban hammer me haha

[elfin relic]

probs safest to post in #share-media ? I dunno

[dense wagon]

Lol probably actually ya when I'm at my computer I'll do that

[brisk drum]

Sub to dese nuts

[dense wagon]

I should record and post an n64 video... on topic

[brisk edge]

PD is way better put together but, I dunno, something about Goldeneye's missions make them so much fun to replay, where as I get really bored of PD's missions.

[dense wagon]

Yeah they are totally different games really - The missions in Goldeneye are way simplier and definitely have an emphesis on hitting the movie set pieces kinda while introducing people to the console

PD's story and mission structure is just great - the best example is the villa where on the easy play through you drop out as a sniper on the hills... first objective is to save the negotiator, harder settings you are the negotiator with the laptop gun haha... just epic

lots of items, loads of weapons... but yeah, suffers from performance and the controls being a little limiting i think

[covert bough]

the invisability cloak was so cool, same one that's in smash bros

[weary beacon]

A lot of late cycle games came out that a lot people missed out on because they moved on to the new tech

You usually had trade in the old to get the new.

[dense wagon]

OK @fallen sparrow the port is getting played to death soon.
I knew about the project but the last time i checked it out they didnt have any builds

I can build stuff myself... well versed with it in linux and mac but i dont really have a windows build environment

[mild ether]

I can build things out of Legos.

[cerulean elk]

Haha all I’ve been playing for fun is Klonoa on WonderSwan

[brisk drum]

Build dese nuts

[cerulean elk]

She deserves all 200. My wife deserves all the money too. For putting up with it

[mild ether]

DEZ coming right up!

[cerulean elk]

@fallen sparrow if only we even got a dime per view on YT. I’d be rich

[brisk drum]

There ain’t enough legos in the world bruhh

[mild ether]

Extra fumunda!

[brisk drum]

You guys just need to give more shoutouts to increase viewership

That’s what the people want

[cerulean elk]

You and @languid dune already get one like every other week. What more do you want

More cow content?

[brisk drum]

You have done enough .. the community thanks you

[cerulean elk]

LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE

PATREON LINK DOWN BELOW

🤣

[brisk drum]

Lol I been subbed for years !

I’m gonna start doing reaction videos to MISTer content

[cerulean elk]

Just you in a field of cows talking MiSTer

“You see MiSTer is much like a cow. Every core is a cut of beef”

[brisk drum]

Im not gonna go full pastoral ..

But there’ll be cows in there

[split lynx]

which core is that dry aged ribeye?

[dense wagon]

definitely the ZX Spectrum core haha

[cerulean elk]

3DO. Just needs to be made

[neat sierra]

3DO is pig snouts and arseholes

[brisk drum]

Must you be so abrasive ?

[neat sierra]

I blame society

[weary beacon]

he had the goldstar... lol j/k

[cerulean elk]

That was your prom date

[neat sierra]

Don't talk about Ma Doyle that way

[cerulean elk]

Ma Doyle 🤣

Why do I get the mental image of her looking like Mama Fratelli from The Goonies

[mortal panther]

"Drink it!"

(with a voice that sounds like she's been chain smoking for 30 years)

[solemn kayak]

Throw Mama From the Train was great too

[neat sierra]

You had to have thick skin in the Doyle household. Everyone always teasing and making every single thing into a joke. CAN YOU IMAGINE?

[sullen harbor]

Can you do multiple controller profiles yet?

[languid dune]

More! Give us mooooore!

So did I miss any big upgrades from today's new build? I only did a bit of testing since I was messing with my Steam Deck a lot today.

Only minor difference I noticed in my testing from today was KI Gold's title screen is a little improved with the black box no longer around the title.

[zinc dew]

I was excited that Shiren the Wanderer was working

Never played it

[languid dune]

It was working over the weekend I believe. Don't remember which build it was though.

[zinc dew]

Seems goofy

[cerulean elk]

I’ve got that in tomorrows vid

Weird little charming game

[zinc dew]

Yeah I loaded the Japanese translation patch

[languid dune]

Doesn't save yet though.

[primal bolt]

is MK Trilogy better on Saturn, PSX, or N64?

[brisk edge]

shiren's patch is one of the highest quality translations on the n64 that's for sure

[elfin relic]

I'm excited for when custom robo gets textures in the battles

it otherwise runs real good

[languid dune]

Depends. PSX has more content and better audio, but N64 has no loading times.

[zinc dew]

yeah that seems like such an awesome game

[languid dune]

They also play a little differently.

[primal bolt]

oh do they?

[languid dune]

Quite a bit actually.

[elfin relic]

it is! many many years ago before I knew Japanese I just brute forced my way through. Excited to replay it again now haha

[languid dune]

And Sub-Zero in the N64 version is god like, but he's not great in the PS1 version because he was split between two characters.

[brisk edge]

I really hope V2 gets a patch one day as well

[elfin relic]

did Custom Robo 1 get a patch?

[primal bolt]

I guess Shang Tsung is better in N64

[languid dune]

That too.

PS1 also has cheats for easy finishers, which is pretty cool.

[brisk edge]

yep! back in 2017

[primal bolt]

translation patch?

[deft tree]

N64 is the most unique one and the one that has a competitive scene around it, PSX and Saturn ones are kinda just janky UMK3

[primal bolt]

alright cool

[languid dune]

Yeah, the Saturn version is basically the same as the PS1 version, but with even longer loading times and lack of transparency.

[elfin relic]

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/3237/

neat

now ya'll have no excuse to not play Custom Robo (when the battle textures/lighting are fixed)

[languid dune]

Works on MiSTer too.

[zinc dew]

I want to play that and densha de go in english

[brisk edge]

custom robo 1 and 2 were fun imports when I started to get more into collecting like a decade ago. Didn't really know what was happening with the story but luckily both of my carts had almost all the parts unlocked lol

[languid dune]

#1096015979055697940 message

[brisk edge]

lots of fun multiplayer battles with friends

[elfin relic]

friends?

I'm here for the intense and deep custom robo lore

[orchid nimbus]

Custom @Robby?

[zinc dew]

Haha

[elfin relic]

RobbyでＧＯ！！64

[zinc dew]

if only

[orchid nimbus]

Robby the Robotic Robbing Robber

[languid dune]

https://tenor.com/view/rob-nintendo-robot-shrugging-oh-well-gif-5451302

It's Robby!

[cold pollen]

super underrated

[zinc dew]

I never had a rob the robot, played it at s friend’s house, it really sucked

It looks awesome at first though

[languid dune]

I have one. It does suck. Badly.

[orchid nimbus]

ロボット強盗のロビー

[languid dune]

It's just a nice thing to put on display honestly.

[zinc dew]

The idea is super cool, like the concept that it could react to games was incredible as a kid

The execution and games were just not fun haha

[languid dune]

That is an understatement.

[zinc dew]

But it helped get the NES into households so I still love it

[languid dune]

I definitely like the "character".

Fun to play as in Smash too.

[chilly ember]

It reminds of those robot piggy banks that would eat coins

Robie lol

[languid dune]

He was also in Mario Kart DS.

And in the background of the Port Town stages in F-Zero GX!

[zinc dew]

Yeah I still own mine, I loved it

[chilly ember]

I wish i still had mine, long gone

[languid dune]

I'm sure @cerulean elk will appreciate that I made another F-Zero reference. He loves it when I bring up F-Zero.

[zinc dew]

F-Zero GX is incredible

[orchid nimbus]

Press F to pay Zero

[cerulean elk]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard you mention that game

[zinc dew]

I went to an arcade at Disney world and brought my memory card just to get the AX unlocks

[languid dune]

And keep a look out for F-Zero tomorrow in the Nintendo Direct! I have a feeling!

🤡

[chilly ember]

Rumors are metroid prime 4 announcement, that's the main thing i care about

[languid dune]

Metroid is my favorite game franchise overall, but F-Zero is my favorite racing franchise and it's been absent for so long that it's my most wanted Nintendo franchise to return.

[zinc dew]

Maybe tomorrow will be a great direct. Perhaps it’ll have cool new games? For the most die hard fans that is lol.

[languid dune]

It's been 20 years since F-Zero GX!

[cerulean elk]

I have a feeling you are gonna be disappointed

[languid dune]

In the words of MVG. "Prepare for disappointment."

[cerulean elk]

Nintendo doesn’t care about F Zero

[chilly ember]

True

[cerulean elk]

Just give it to Sega. Then you’ll get a good game

[languid dune]

It doesn't sell 40 million copies like Mario Kart.

[zinc dew]

When is it tomorrow

[cerulean elk]

The best Nintendo racing game was made by Sega after all

[languid dune]

9am central time (aka best time)

[languid dune]

This is true.

[zinc dew]

Thanks, I am central

[languid dune]

I think a Sony State of Play is tomorrow too.

[zinc dew]

[languid dune]

Late Summer E3! If E3 was still a thing.

[zinc dew]

E3 going away was inevitable. Covid just accelerated it.

[languid dune]

Not to mention E3 doxxing everyone.

[cerulean elk]

They better announce some more PSVR 2 stuff

[elfin relic]

I hope sony announces a release date for the playstation earbuds and headphones at state of play

[cerulean elk]

One stupid expensive paperweight

[elfin relic]

and also announces that the streaming device was a joke

[languid dune]

lol

I bought the original PSVR, barely used it, and eventually gave it away to my nephew. Who promptly broke it within a week.

[fair stump]

If they show NSO N64 stuff I just know my elitist MiSTer impulses will activate

[chilly ember]

I was excited psvr2 would bring more interest to vr and we might get some more worthwhile games, my valve index never gets used anymore

[zinc dew]

I think the NSO N64 stuff is great

MiSTer will be better of course

[fair stump]

It's great for people who aren't crazy like us

[languid dune]

Some of it is. But some of isn't great. F-Zero X for example has constant stuttering that it doesn't have on real hardware.

[zinc dew]

ohhh

that’s a shame

[languid dune]

It already plays better on MiSTer ironically.

[zinc dew]

I genuinely do like the service

[languid dune]

I appreciate what it does for game preservation at least.

I just really don't like the forced boarders on all NSO games.

[fair stump]

Absolutely. Otherwise normal people would pretty much never see those games again

[languid dune]

Just give me my nothing but black boarders.

[zinc dew]

sorry wasn’t trying to defend it, I’m sure y’all are 100% correct

[cerulean elk]

I use my Quest 2 on PC more than anything else

[elfin relic]

I found my virtualboy, that's enough VR for me

best red/black eyestrain

[chilly ember]

I would love to buy a quest 2 just for re4 but that's the only game I care about that's exclusive

[languid dune]

Nothing wrong with defending it. Most people would never notice or care about the differences. I even used it a ton before I got my MiSTer.

[zinc dew]

yeah, i think it’s extremely important that people who do notice issues and point them out are celebrated

That’s the measure of quality these have to hit

NSO launching and people swarming it pointing out all the flaws have done guys like me such a huge favor

[languid dune]

And they have fixed a lot of the N64 emulation issues. It was really bad at first. OoT especially had major issues, but they fixed most of them.

[chilly ember]

Did they fix the shadow link room?

[zinc dew]

my big problem is the lag

[languid dune]

Yeah.

[zinc dew]

But like that’s unfixable lol, MiSTer ruined me

[chilly ember]

Its hard to go back to even real hardware with something like the psx core because the frame rate is better

[languid dune]

Thankfully most N64 games have such low frame rates, that noticing input lag is pretty difficult.

[mellow path]

I disagree, these services are anti-preservation. It only lasts as long as Nintendo decides to keep the service running.

[chilly ember]

I'm excited to see if we get better frame rates in goldeneye and perfect dark on mister, that's a game changer for multiplayer

[languid dune]

True, but it at least allows casual players a chance to experience them. Whereas they would likely never do so otherwise.

[mellow path]

Nintendo uses platforms like this to make the case that video games shouldn't be preserved the same way we do movies and books

[languid dune]

Ironically, it was my issues with NSO that originally sparked my interest and ultimate purchase in my MiSTer.

[zinc dew]

I have some insight, the virtual console didn’t do great, did exceptionally poor on the Wii U

[languid dune]

The Wii U's handling of VC was super bad though.

[zinc dew]

This newest iteration is likely the best option for them

[elfin relic]

everything did exceptionally poor on the Wii U

[chilly ember]

The wii u was all around kinda bad tho lol. I bought one tho

[languid dune]

You had to pay to transfer your existing VC games over to Wii U, and the emulation was worse.

[mellow path]

I mean I pay for it and use it, but I take issue with the idea that it is good for preservation. If there were legal avenues, we could borrow digital copies of games from libraries like books and movies

[zinc dew]

yeah I know and you’re right but from their perspective they had a service that just kept getting worse and worse sales

it is what it is I guess

[mellow path]

But MiSTer otoh, incredible preservation project 😎

[zinc dew]

Yeah exactly

[mortal panther]

It's okay...

[chilly ember]

No 3do core :p

[zinc dew]

It’s a really good benchmark for companies to look at

[languid dune]

Yeah, my MiSTer has become my most used gaming device.

[mortal panther]

Same

Has been for the last 5+ years

[mellow path]

But the reality is, if we expect publishers to be responsible for preservation efforts, they'd be much happier to make games go missing altogether

[mortal panther]

Though, the PS5 has been giving it a run for its money, that's for sure.

[mellow path]

So we gotta take it into our own hands or change laws to make it easier for foundations to be the driving force for preservation

[zinc dew]

that’s not true, publishers want to sell

[fair stump]

Having large libraries of games to play on mister really shows you just how much is unavailable today

[chilly ember]

The last retro system i've kept using since getting a mister has been n64 but now i can almost pack it away

[languid dune]

Outside of my MiSTer, I use my PS5 and Switch the most.

[zinc dew]

Republishing a game is very cheap and a good way to make money

[zealous hull]

Can't you buy certain Sega games on Steam and just...like...have the ROM?

That seems like a nice option.

[zinc dew]

But it’s gotta sell

[mellow path]

They don't want to sell Mother 3

[vapid hawk]

there's quite a lot of ways to buy roms legitimately

like a lot of steam games do just give you it

[languid dune]

I play a lot of Picross on my Switch. 😅

[vapid hawk]

i'd still say there are not enough ways though

[zinc dew]

The Mother 3 situation is sad but basically their data forecasted it wouldn’t sell enough to make the translation, manufacturing, and publishing worth the effort.

[weary beacon]

Yes! I bought them all real cheap on steam sales too. It's in a folder.

[fair stump]

Nintendo should preserve their games like they used to: as items inside animal crossing

[chilly ember]

Isn't there a workshop for genesis sonic games for romhacks on steam? I assume those would give you the rom in that case

I never ever looked into it

[zealous hull]

I was quite young when the Wii came out, just going into middle school. So that was what introduced me to a lot of SNES/N64 games that I didn't grow up playing.

[zinc dew]

Ohhh that’s really cool

[zealous hull]

Yeah it was great timing. I was obsessed with owning and playing every classic.

[mortal panther]

I feel so old... 🤣

[zealous hull]

Chrono Trigger, FFVI

Stuff that I would have played as a child, but didn't get to.

Haha, I'm 29

[zinc dew]

jokes on you, retro gaming is for nerds

[languid dune]

I was 26 when the Wii came out...

[zinc dew]

We just pretend to like retro games, ironically

[vapid hawk]

i actually spend most of my time playing VR games these days heh

[chilly ember]

Wii is retro

[languid dune]

Why play them when we have update_all?

[mellow path]

Exactly, preservation efforts can't have conditions like "currently profitable". It's how we get lost media.

[mortal panther]

I was 35 when the Wii was released.

[zinc dew]

Yeah can’t argue with you there, I’m in full agreement with you

[vapid hawk]

the wii is definitely retro at this point - sorry

[zinc dew]

oh yeah 100%

[vapid hawk]

i never had a wii back in the day and got one hdmi modded recently, its amazing! so many good games

[zealous hull]

True. But what does that make Atari? Is there something beyond retro?

[mortal panther]

Though, it's a bit harder to classify some of Nintendo's hardware as 'retro' sometimes, as they essentially keep repackaging the innards as a brand new device for the next 10-15 years.

[vapid hawk]

novel stuff too thats never been ported

[languid dune]

Anyway, gotta take a break from the Discord. My old arthritic hands are starting to bother me again...

[zinc dew]

Boomer games

[chilly ember]

I got an ode for my wii before alot of the softmod stuff, still have it

[zinc dew]

Have a good night

[zealous hull]

Take care!

[zinc dew]

It’s funny watching Atari because you know that IP is a ticking bomb. Once most of their fanbase dies they won’t have anyone left to buy their stuff.

[languid dune]

Thanks! I'll probably drop back in shortly before I go to bed later. Just need to rest for awhile.

[zealous hull]

"We gotta get the Zoomers to love Breakout!"

[mortal panther]

Gotta give them credit though... the Atari 50 Collection was a masterpiece.

[chilly ember]

I bought an atari 2600 a couple weeks locally just for the novelty

Only games i have are donkey kong and frogger

[mortal panther]

I still have mine I got when I was 6.

[chilly ember]

Before my time hahah

[mortal panther]

...when it was released. 😄

[zinc dew]

That’s why I’d be doing if I wanted to keep that brand valuable 10 years from now

[zealous hull]

Yeah, there is absolutely a legacy that deserves to be respected...but man it would help if they tried a little harder staying relevant. I feel like every headline I read about them they're going in a different direction than the last time.

I say this knowing that you can't just flip a relevancy switch to be relevant. Haha

[mortal panther]

It's also not the same company. Hasn't been for decades. It's 'Atari' in name only. The only way they can stay relevant is to keep repackaging the IP that made the real Atari great in the '70s and '80s.

[zealous hull]

Yeah, that's very true.

[woeful grove]

yea.. great..

[zinc dew]

Huh

[zealous hull]

Haha, does somebody have opinions?

[mortal panther]

Which I don't really have a problem with as long as we get more of the same caliber of the Atari 50 Collection.

[woeful grove]

I made the 2600 and 7800 core, so I understand the true darkness within

[zinc dew]

The Atari of today is much better than the band of useless idiots that the company employed ~15 years ago

[mortal panther]

But as far as Atari is concerned, I've literally been there, done that... 40 years ago.

I've moved on.

[zealous hull]

I appreciate it, for what it's worth.

[elfin relic]

I love playing as great adventure hero square

[woeful grove]

We'll always have Ninja Golf

[mortal panther]

Definitely appreciate your work on those cores, @woeful grove

[elfin relic]

and eating ice cream bars as pacman

[zinc dew]

What about paddles

[mortal panther]

Couldn't have been fun.

[zealous hull]

I feel like Ninja Golf could easily pass as a game jam game I'd randomly find on Itch.io

And I think I mean that as a compliment

[weary beacon]

is there any way to get save games from emulators working with the n64 core?

[zinc dew]

nope, maybe in the future?

[zealous hull]

It would depend on the format, would it not?

I can pull saves off my carts and use them in emulators, iirc, maybe I'm mistaken
And the saves off I pull of my carts work on the core

[zealous hull]

What emulator do you use?

[weary beacon]

depending on the game it was either project 64, or mupen from retroarch. I tried my 1080 sav and renamed it but it didn't seem to work.

[zealous hull]

Let me lookup if 1080 even saves currently

[zinc dew]

it does

[zealous hull]

Nice. Thanks Robby.

Would you care to DM me the save file @weary beacon

I'll take a look.

[zinc dew]

@weary beacon try this - https://savefileconverter.com/#/mister

Oh doesn’t support N64 nevermind lol

[zealous hull]

Yeah, my first thought was that certain emulators could pad the file. If I trim it to match the size of the MiSTer save, it could work? Maybe?

[mortal panther]

Neat. Didn't know about that page.

[weary beacon]

i'll bookmark that anyway thank you.

[zinc dew]

Yeah good thinking

[mortal panther]

Hey, you're a good mod! Who knew?

[zinc dew]

lol

[elfin relic]

oh no no you can't praise him

it'll go to his head

[zealous hull]

Don't tell anybody else, but you're my favorite mod @zinc dew

[zinc dew]

It makes me happy I can be of help

[zealous hull]

And I'm not just saying that because befriending you could increase my odds--however slim--of meeting John Romero.

[mortal panther]

Can't let that happen. His head's already huge.

[elfin relic]

can you help me with deez?

[zinc dew]

I wouldn’t be able to help you there though, like I could definitely ping him and get a response but he’s in Ireland now

[zealous hull]

Just let him know Colten says hi next time you catch up with him. 😆

[mortal panther]

"He'll know what it means..."

[neat sierra]

Nice, Robby is hooking us up with his gaming celeb buds? Tell Martinet I'm coming over for dinner

[maiden wyvern]

Don't bet on it. Last time I asked Robby he said absolutely not get out of my house

[neat sierra]

Surprised you could understand him through the gag

[maiden wyvern]

Practice

[neat sierra]

like a dentist

[fallen sparrow]

Do it

[orchid nimbus]

like a surgeon

[zealous hull]

I wonder if TLB is going to fit? Or if a hacky workaround will work? That'd be nice.

Paper Mario is my second favorite game--ever. I'd love to play it on MiSTer. :>

[elfin relic]

time will tell

or Robert will tell us when the time comes

[zealous hull]

Yeah. I guess there is enough TLB speculation as is, huh? We'll just have to wait and see.

I may keep one of the older versions of this core just so I can play as faceless Mario and think about all the fun we had along the way.

[waxen bear]

TLB is mandatory right? I mean, we can't always be using patched roms down the road I wouldn't think.

[zealous hull]

We can if we don't have a choice. 😂

[elfin relic]

not all games use or care about tlb

[zealous hull]

A vast majority don't, even.

[brisk edge]

100% Mario 64 will eventually work

[waxen bear]

Mario 64 is for many THE n64 game

but maybe hacks will work or something

core hacks i mean

[zealous hull]

Perhaps other people feel differently, but removing the goofy stretchy face isn't really tarnishing the Mario 64 experience for me.

[waxen bear]

Others do 🙂

I'm sure Robert will figure it out

[zealous hull]

Believe me. I desperately want those people to be happy too.

[brisk edge]

Lol there's a million ways to play Mario 64 now so I can't say it bothers me, but yeah, I know support will get there eventually. Mario 64 is a high priority for compatibility

[waxen bear]

Yeah

[zealous hull]

A PSX-level of compatibility with the game catalogue is a dream. But even 80% is amazing to me. I still can't believe he's done this much.

[brisk edge]

And in record time

[waxen bear]

Indeed

[zealous hull]

I just hope we'll be able to actually get our hands on something to play on the core by Christmas.

Maybe Mario Kart.

[brisk edge]

I'd like both Goemon games to be pretty much perfect by then, but we shall see

[zealous hull]

Are those good? I've been interested in trying them.

[elfin relic]

sin and punishment is playing pretty well now

so that's kind of all I really wanted.

if Custom Robo gets battles fixed that'll be a cherry

[zealous hull]

My favorite N64 game just *had * to be one of the more complex games to come at the end of the N64 lifespan. 😔

[tidal zenith]

swich favorite games

[zealous hull]

Good idea.

[tidal zenith]

play a little waverace

maybe follow that dolphin

[zealous hull]

Guys I'm back. Just had a life-changing experience with ClayFighter 63⅓. We're good now.

[weary beacon]

I couldn't get wave race shindou english patched to boot 😦

[zealous hull]

Did you try to boot it after booting the original wave race? Patched games can be tricky unless you know what you're doing with the database file

[brisk edge]

First one is a decently fun platformer/Zelda esque adventure game, second one is a fun co-op 2.5d platformer. They're both probably the highlights of konami's N64 output

[weary beacon]

I didn't but I will try it right now.

[zealous hull]

Consider me interested. I'll check them out when they're better supported, thanks!

[brisk edge]

Also amazing OSTs 🔥

[weary beacon]

@zealous hull It didn't boot the original rom either so that's explains why. Unless the n64 logo is considered a boot. Not sure where that line is.

[zealous hull]

If it's showing the N64 logo, that's something at least.

[weary beacon]

is that booted?

[zealous hull]

But I'm confused. I thought Waverace was pretty playable?

[weary beacon]

I was trying to do waverace 64 shindou rev b(2) with english patch. That one isn't working, perhaps another version is.

[zealous hull]

Yeah, according to the test doc, it's in decent shape. Unless the newest build has some regressions for that.

The testing doc is showing rev 1 as quite playable.

[brisk edge]

I would guess most people just tested one of the US versions

[misty inlet]

I was playing wave race 64 last night and got through two races with almost no big problems.

[weary beacon]

ahh rev1... thats explains it.

[zealous hull]

Dumb question. Would the english patch still require the JP pif?

[weary beacon]

That's actually a great question. I think the answer is yes.

[zealous hull]

We want to make sure we're booting the game with the correct boot.rom.

[mild ether]

The US and JP PIF are the same.

[zealous hull]

Huh. So I was correct.
It was a dumb question.

[weary beacon]

Thank you, I was like wait... but then this site on vampeirs showed different SHA1 hashes. but says PAL 60 and I got confused lol

[zealous hull]

Thanks, you've been a great resource for me in this channel.

[mild ether]

Yeah that is really a NTSC PIF also it's incorrect.

[mild ether]

You're welcome, people here have been a great resource to me also. It's great.

[zealous hull]

It is. This is a really great community.

[zealous hull]

I'm going to boot up rev 2 on my MiSTer just to see what happens.

[mild ether]

The Brazil PIF is the PAL 60 and it mostly works with all the NTSC roms except for a few Japanese games I found so far.

[worn delta]

It would be good to find out if there is any use case in MiSTer for using the Brazil pif over NTSC or PAL

[weary beacon]

it says "Rumble Pak–arguably the best implementation in any N64 game" for wave race shindou, and the english patch was made for rev b of course.

[worn delta]

It would presumably be trivial for Robert to add support for it, but we need to know if there is any use case for the Brazil pif

[zealous hull]

@weary beacon
Yep, I can confirm that Rev 2/Shindou Edition won't get past the N64 logo. Which is further backed up by the testing doc. But it was from several builds ago, so I thought I'd check it all the same.

[tough wigeon]

Odd... using the core from today and the USA version of Mario 64, I get a crash after the splash screen fades off. Is there a debug setting needed to get to the title screen or is Mario only working for specific rom hacks?

[zealous hull]

You gotta git rid of that face

there is a patch (thanks to justz00t and yxkalle) that skips past the "face" portion of the intro, allowing you to play the game proper

[mild ether]

I plan to go down the entire NTSC library when the vast majority of games work and seeing what games don't work with the Brazil PIF.

[zealous hull]

If you look at Vampier's handy FAQ that is pinned. It should explain what you need to do.

[tough wigeon]

Good news though, Tony Hawk 2 USA can get in-game, you just can't see a splash screen or menus well, if at all. But the in-game experience is

[worn delta]

It may be worth looking at the 4 Brazil games and see if they perform any different between Brazil pif and NTSC and PAL and see if there is any benefit using the Brazil one

[zealous hull]

Yeah, this core has taught a lot of us to mash Start. 😅

[mild ether]

I could do that. I think it's not going to be necessary to add anything special to the core for it and the plain NTSC PIF and PAL 50 should be enough.

[weary beacon]

boot2.rom 🙂

[random portal]

I'm extremely dissappointed this isn't industrial or some goth techno. 🖕

[zealous hull]

Had to take a time machine back to see what you were talking about

Because out of context that's an amazing statement

[random portal]

who me? 😆

[zealous hull]

speaking of testing, are you who I need to speak to in order to request access to the testing doc? I'd like to help out with that

[cold pollen]

This is already playable though 🤔

[zealous hull]

I promise I won't break it.

[zealous hull]

it was a very dumb joke

[cold pollen]

Oh haha

[zealous hull]

About Robert saying that he was hoping something would be playable by Christmas

Turns out he maybe overestimated his timeline a little bit.

Which all devs should do. 😉

[worn delta]

Yep, just request edit access and I will give you permission. If you can read the info tab before updating that would be great 🙂

[zealous hull]

You got it. I'm already used to checking the doc. 🙂 Just figured I should update while I'm in it.

[worn delta]

That's you hooked up now

[zealous hull]

Very much appreciate it!

[paper orchid]

So this came to me just now, because I saw Mario discussion a bit ago

This is my gift to the community

[zealous hull]

The irony of you needing to put Mario's face on the Badnik to get your point across is not lost on me.

[tough wigeon]

The extra effort is appreciated. 😂

[steady basalt]

For running USA games I've never seen a Brazilian N64 refuse a North American cartridge, a lot of cartridges were imported back then. I dare to say all N64 games officially sold in Brazil used North American pcbs and chips, but with localized labels.
Translated back labels and age rating icons in front labels.

[weary palm]

No face

You cannot eat the staff

[weary beacon]

Is WaveRace more stable with the last build? First time I can finish the championship without a crash 👍

[remote hatch]

it's very random

sometimes you finish three races , and sometimes after a minute it crashes

[rocky spindle]

No shit. Me and my pals dumped Goldeneye the day it hit. We played it religiously for five years before people started having kids. 😅

Some of the multiplayer dynamic will never be beaten. You can carefully configure Hacker Central 2v2 by slotting the FarSight XR-20 so that it’s the key to holding the fort. This is just one example of potentially thousands. We were always composing new setups and testing them out for intensity/balance, etc.

I don’t think publishers want games to be infinitely replayable these days.

It’s a damn shame we never got a follow-up after Perfect Dark. It’s basically a sub-genre of corridor FPS. The way the missions run like clockwork with predictable and learnable NPC/props patrols/movements. It’s like that Tom Cruise film Edge of Tomorrow. The game actively promotes speed running and mastery.

GoldenEye too.

I can sit here all day gushing about these games.

I was hoping Playtonic would develop something.. but without a lot of the guys that left for Free Radical I don’t think it’d hit the mark.

Or some indie dev at least. Like how those guys brought classic WipeOut back in BallisticNG (which in my opinion even transcends WipeOut, just).

[inner garden]

so basically they got 25-30 years left

[mild ether]

Have some really good memories of drinking with my buddies playing GoldenEye. One hit kills slappers only was pretty damn hilarious.

[dusty tusk]

For us, we played a ton of the shooter games in dk64 and banjo tooie

[wanton sun]

wave race also depends on the version. Compled the first 3 series on PAL without any hang. But yes, there are random crash bugs that will also mess up the music with pops

[remote hatch]

yes, PAL version is very stable 🙂

[wanton sun]

really need to find this nasty rsp bug...should go through the testlist and see if anything else has it more reproducible

anyone has a good idea for a pop detector? if i could trigger on the audio pops, which are already wrong, i don't have to wait for the crash

[hasty kayak]

ISS Pro 98

On the Menus when you select Teams. Audio Pop

It will slow down as well (which used to happen in N64 Software Emulators)

[wanton sun]

can take a look, but it sounds like it's something different then

[hasty kayak]

Ok 🙂 just thought it might be an Audio Pop example 🙂

[wanton sun]

what i mean is: i would like to autodetect a pop at runtime. E.g. when one sample is very different from the previous one

[hasty kayak]

ahh I see 🙂 apologies

[dusty tusk]

Not pops, but if checking audio bugs. DK64 cutscenes will always drop audio eventually.

[wanton sun]

no worries, it's hard to explain what i'm searching for 🙂

[dusty tusk]

And it then kills audio for the rest of the playthrough

[wanton sun]

yes dk64 needs very exact cpu and rsp speed otherwise it desyncs and stops audio. This will need all the missing CPU and RSP features to be really good

[chilly ember]

I got to the ice cavern in zelda oot and encountered a invisible enemy just now. Only time that's happened

How they normally appear

[wanton sun]

interesting. do you have error overlay off?

[chilly ember]

Oh sorry I normally have it on but didn't turn it on this time

Hang on

[wanton sun]

i would expect some rdp error bit to show

[chilly ember]

Nvm it is on

[wanton sun]

ok, then i probably forgot some case to create a error

[dusty tusk]

Some transparency/shimmer effect they use not being handled maybe?

[wanton sun]

probably something special, yes

[native mesa]

The portal in gohmas lair is not visible also unless that's been fixed by now

[viscid gate]

IIRC both the waveRace JP shindou and the Eng patch do start if you change the save type to “none” or ‘eeprom16’ which is not what’s expected. Like the ntsc US one they tend to hang occasionally during play. Just now I got a short freeze for about 0.5 sec followed by E180100 in attract and it continued which I’ve not seen before

[chilly ember]

All the portals for boss battles don't appear so far for me

[wanton sun]

likely the same reason, it's also some transparent effect

[native mesa]

I assume it's the same effect

[wanton sun]

wave race shindou depends on the console to consume time before starting up. Ares has a comment in source code about that. I don't know yet how to solve this

it seems that is not required when the eeprom is not accessed

just checked : alpha color combiner is not fully covered for all unimplemented cases, so it's likely the reason for OoT

[native mesa]

The time splitters games were spiritual successors

[rocky spindle]

I tried to love them, but couldn’t.

TS2 has a great soundtrack though. I’ll give it that.

[native mesa]

Time splitters 2 was really fun for me

[rocky spindle]

In terms of how the gunfire is traced they felt like GoldenEye spin-offs, whereas Perfect Dark evolved that aspect tremendously. The hit detection for a start..

[native mesa]

Well it was the same engine

Someone told me we can map multiple player buttons to one controller so we can do this. I'm excited to try it

[hasty kayak]

That controller makes my brain E2...

2 Handles is fine, 3... takes some getting used to... 4 Handles!!!! noooo

[dusty tusk]

If you just unlocking content by completing challenges, timesplitters games are a fun little time waster

[chrome quest]

Oh I already tested this method!
#1096015979055697940 message
Of course if MiSTer gives one controller two stick methods, all the better for accessibility. The two hands, two controller method is a vibe in itself I will say

[native mesa]

What playable games use two controllers?

Just pod racer?

[proud tundra]

Has anyone reported Namco Museum hasn’t been booting for the past few builds? I guess we all just stopped looking!

[brisk drum]

lol i was mostly joking

[remote hatch]

works fine here

[hollow rune]

Thanks for catching this. I had notmnoticed

[proud tundra]

Hmmm… maybe the database?

[chrome quest]

Worked on 11th build, I was checking Pole Position still crashed

[proud tundra]

Just grabbed the later db from vamp.

No improvement

[pine apex]

goldeneye 007, perfect dark, robotron 64 and stw racer

[chrome quest]

I'd gone looking for a definitive list but only found those same games. I guess Robotron currently also working

[proud tundra]

Mister v230911
N64 v230913
N64…database.txt in the games folder 20230906.txt
boot.rom
boot1.rom
MiSTer SDRAM XS-DS v3.0 128MB Module

But Namco doesn’t boot… whereas it used to, let me try the old rbf

[quick arch]

Do you have a notification saying the rom is not auto detect ?

[proud tundra]

No

[quick arch]

on the OSD -> System settings could you please list all settings for the rom of Namco ?

On my side I have
Ram Size 8Mbyte
System Type NTSC
CIC 6102
Controller PAk ON
RumblePack OFf
TransfertPack Off
RTC OFF
Save type None

[proud tundra]

Original N64.rbf works on that rom, latest do not

[quick arch]

on my side it is working

with lastest

[proud tundra]

Tried those, same crash on boot error E000004

[worn delta]

I think the .txt file should now be grabbed from Main by running the main update script (or update all now)

But that shouldn't be stopping this game from working

[quick arch]

Have you let Auto detect ON if yes maybe they are changed if it is changed it means something is not right on N64-database file you have on your side

[proud tundra]

It’s off

[quick arch]

So I don't know ...

[worn delta]

As an asside, the boot.rom and boot1.rom files have now been added to the BIOS DB. So anyone who comes looking for the .pif files can just run update all and they will be all set up 🙂

[hasty kayak]

That Cabinet looks super cool! 🙂

[worn delta]

Checked Namco my end, can get to the main menu but when click to load Pacman get a black screen. Very odd to see the first game working regress.

[cinder pagoda]

I’m about to order the NSO Controller. Are there any “gotchas” with this controller I should be aware of?

[worn delta]

Someone with the controller can confirm, but you'll need to use an unstable version of linux that supports the controller until the next linux update happens (I don't know when that will be, linux updates need a lot of testing behind the scenes by Sorg) so keep that in mind

[vagrant ivy]

no you dont. works fine in bluetooth with no unstable linux

[worn delta]

Oh, my appologies

[vagrant ivy]

thats only for wired mode

[worn delta]

Ah, got you

[cinder pagoda]

Sheesh.. $62 when all is said and done

[tropic sand]

@wanton sun namco museum works up until v23.09.11

Black screen and no error code on v23.09.13

[daring meteor]

Also sometimes Puyo Puyo hangs with bit 23 on the new build

[chrome quest]

Any particular advice to log regressions on the spreadsheet? Are historical revisions saved in the file? Or if not something to add in the notes (was playable on XXX.rbf)

[onyx minnow]

i just tested on .13 and it seems to be working here

are you using the n64 update script? because i did notice it grabbed a new database file

[mortal panther]

Just to be clear, in the /Games/N64/ folder, you have the database text file named N64-database.txt, not 20230906.txt?

I just tried Namco Museum and it loaded fine for me on the latest test build from yesterday.

Albeit with some audio pops...

[tropic sand]

Namco works if the rumble pack is set to on for me. If it's off it no longer gets in game

[proud tundra]

Apart from it being exactly like the original, no.

[proud tundra]

It was okay wireless with the existing Linux driver. USB in the new.

[worn delta]

I set to rumble pack on and it still crashes loading Pacman

[mortal panther]

It still launches for me, but the Error Overlay doesn't show, even though it's enabled. Rumble Pak is not enabled.

[remote hatch]

Pacman is now unstable

[worn delta]

Is this even a rumble supported game?

[mortal panther]

Not sure. I would be surprised if it was.

According to the database file, only cic6102 and cpak are referenced... for what that's worth.

[worn delta]

I'm using HTGDB pack rom, which one are you using?

[mortal panther]

Same. I switched to that set MiSTer-wide years ago.

[worn delta]

Very weird

[proud tundra]

No intro

[worn delta]

Pretty sure No Intro and NTGDB roms are identical

At least we know which build it seems to have stopped working as it did for people, even if some can get it working turning on rumble pak (which is bizarre)

[mortal panther]

Mine still launches with Rumble Pak set to 'Off' (auto detected from the database file), but yeah, weird.

I also don't use any auto-updater scripts. I've manually updated for years, only occasionally running update_all to update the core base files. Not suggesting there's anything wrong with any scripts right now... just highlighting possible differences in my setup.

[proud tundra]

Hope that’s not too big in size, OG rbf is fine, newer ones not.

[mortal panther]

The only things I've changed manually recently: continually updating to the latest N64 test build, latest MiSTer unstable main, and the N64-database file from approximately 2-3 days ago (shortly before it was added to the official MiSTer repo).

[proud tundra]

I use the n64 updater after an update all usually.

[mortal panther]

The date on your N64 core is July 10?

[proud tundra]

The OG one for Namco as the first commercial game which worked yeah.

[quick arch]

On System part of the OSD with video processing if you reset settings on the core. Is the issue persist after reset settings ?

[mortal panther]

What seems to be working for me:

Latest MiSTer unstable (20230911)
Latest N64 test build (20230913)
N64-database.txt (20230910)

Nothing else has changed on mine, apart from replacing the zImage_dtb that added NSO N64 support.

[spark granite]

trying to use my N64 NSO controller. It pairs but the pairing lights never stop cycling. It seems to work ok, but I think it is doing some weird stuff. Like when I try to define the buttons it keeps skipping past things I haven't pressed yet

It works fine on my Switch though

[mortal panther]

There are a few recent unstable MiSTer main files that addressed various mapping issues. I wonder if that would solve your issues.

[vapid hawk]

the skipping thing is caused by the analog stick having no deadzone

[spark granite]

thought it might have been that actually

[mortal panther]

Ahh... or that. 🙂

[vapid hawk]

there's a fix coming

[spark granite]

nice

what about the constant pairing light cycling?

[vapid hawk]

or you can manually install it today but its fairly involved

not sure about the lights haven't heard that one before

[spark granite]

hmm ok, it's paired and working, but the lights never stop cycling

[vagrant ivy]

thats normal

it works regardless

[spark granite]

thanks, that's all I wanted to hear 🙂

[vapid hawk]

normal for mister i guess lol

[vagrant ivy]

well it will be fixed eventually but its just doing a Kitt impression for now

[vapid hawk]

its probably waiting to be told which player it is

[zinc dew]

Oh no you have cycling lights?

Guys why aren’t you telling him??

[spark granite]

uh oh

[zinc dew]

It’s in “hunting” mode, I hope it does not choose you as its prey…

[spark granite]

😭

[wanton sun]

haha, best placebo. Rumble does currently nothing. You just gave it a second chance. Namco museum was never 100% stable, it crashes random when entering one of the 6 games

[spark granite]

trying to define the buttons but I always miss one lol

what's this manual fix for the deadzone?

[zinc dew]

Check the pins, last pin at the bottom

[vapid hawk]

yeah the zImage_dtb bit specifically

[zinc dew]

Err second to last

#unstable-nightlies message

[vapid hawk]

that'll add a small deadzone so it can be mapped cleanly

[spark granite]

thanks all

[wanton sun]

for me pacman works fine on yesterdays build (booted 3 times and loaded into pacman)

[zinc dew]

All of this stuff will be eventually added as part of the normal update process, but for now you need to do it all manually, such is the life for being on the bleeding edge of emulation progress

[vapid hawk]

what kind of bughunt are we on today? looking for audio pops?

[foggy stirrup]

I have a question. I bought this mayflash adapter and wonder what the joypad test program is you all use.

[wanton sun]

this one

#1096015979055697940 message

[wanton sun]

and prepare to be shocked. My mayflash adapter is horrible. I was told to update/flash it to improve it, but i didn't try yet

[foggy stirrup]

hehe thanks ill give it a go 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

So was I 😂

[rapid glade]

C Up and C Left wouldn’t register for me when setting up the mapping in the core, to get it to work you have to setup up the C buttons as Joystick 2 in the main MiSTer menu but what ever you do, don’t configure the analogue stick as Joystick 1 just press Space to skip it

[rapid glade]

Strange! I built this adapter that’s designed to use a N64 Controller with a Switch - https://github.com/DavidPagels/retro-pico-switch

[foggy stirrup]

I have the mayflash model MF103. all buttons map correct gonna look into that firmware update.

[worn delta]

@wanton sun just noticed that sometime between the N64_20230904 build and yesterday's the n64-systemtest_notlb.z64 test has gone from failing 4 tests to 5. n64-systemtest_notlb_noCartRW.z64 still fails 4.

None of the other tests seem to have changed (all the ones that pass everything still do)

[wanton sun]

yes, the cartRW time is not long enough anymore with the datacache on

[worn delta]

Previously it had an 00042 error now it is 000140

Ah OK

[wanton sun]

basically: when you write to the cart(which seems wrong instantly), you will read back the written value for some time

it's some edge case that the systemtest loves to test against, but i'm not aware of any game doing than or even worse, depending on the readback value to be hold long enough

[vapid hawk]

you mean like write to the carts save area?

[wanton sun]

doesn't matter is rom or ram area

[woeful grove]

is that just an open bus thing?

or it actually caches the write

[wanton sun]

yes

open bus, but it decays after some time

[woeful grove]

open bus readbacks are rarely seen after 3rd gen

it's so jank

if they are it's usually a bug in the game

[wanton sun]

the systemtest checks for the time the value is there. Currently it's too long

[woeful grove]

open bus is by nature undefined behavior really

[wanton sun]

that's why it's not a huge priority for me currently. I could trim the value to fulfill the test...

[woeful grove]

in NES I just store the value and fall back to it if all the bus muxxing falls through to the bottom

[worn delta]

Do you know what the other 4 fails are? Guessing they are also not critical

[wanton sun]

the other 4 are CPU exceptions where unaligned memory is accessed, e.g. dword read to address 1. This is not allowed in the cpu. When this happens your game will crash for sure. The test checks if the exception handler could read back the address that led to the exception (the 1 in this case)

i currently print out an error flag instead of handling this properly, because... well the game will crash anyway

[worn delta]

Right, makes sense

[wanton sun]

the main reason is the ressource cost. The exception handler is on the critical path often enough that i don't feel like adding more stuff there

quartus tries to optimize these paths so hard that it spends endless amounts of parallel and duplicated logic to optimize it. Just to have it crash accurate 😛

[vapid hawk]

cycle accurate exception messeges

[hasty kayak]

You still need an Error Code for Dave, I know you can't have certain letters 🙂 but there has to be a Dave Fail reason in there somewhere!

E00001 = Dave's issue

[wanton sun]

you just need to change your name and you can go hunting error flags in games until your name is written on the screen

[mortal panther]

Haha, they fell for it! You're evil!
...I love it. 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Namco Museum....the game that started it all

[mortal panther]

The gift that keeps on giving.

[cerulean elk]

back when we had that and nothing else

[hearty python]

Also on Stable Namco wont run Pacman now. No error on screen and intro is working like before.

But Galaga starts

[zealous hull]

Back in my day all we could play was 1/6 of a game that was just old arcade ports, and we liked it!

[hearty python]

But my controller hangs two times in Galaga. No movement and no shooting, after pressing the menu button, the controller work again. Strange behavior

[zinc dew]

Just a reminder that the N64 is the greatest console of all time

Carry on

[mortal panther]

I'm sure there's a nugget of truth in there somewhere...

[azure hatch]

hrm i've tried 3 different no intro rom sets and still get a black screen, tried manually putting in the rfb and rom files, also tried using the update all script which I can see verifies everything is correct

[cerulean elk]

The greatest console of time does have three characters but they are 3, D and O

[azure hatch]

anyone able to private a message a known working set?

[mortal panther]

3, 2, and X

[zinc dew]

Do not ask for copyrighted materials please. Thank you for understanding.

Read the FAQ (link in the pins) if you need further assistance.

[mortal panther]

It looks like you may be missing a few steps to get everything working properly. Follow this FAQ closely: https://vampier.net/N64/

[balmy dagger]

Thank you for carrying this message to the uninformed. 🙏

[zealous hull]

if the 3do is so great why aren't we all in a channel talking about it?

checkmate

[cerulean elk]

I’ll always wave the 3DO flag

[balmy dagger]

More like why aren't YOU? https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/1052057593654284329

[azure hatch]

Thanks for the tip. Yeah, that's where I got the script to verify everything is in place correctly which it states is.

[mortal panther]

It's so great, it gets talked about in other channels, too.

[zealous hull]

damn, I played right in your hands

I can't argue with that logic.

3DO forever

[balmy dagger]

[weary beacon]

NSO 64 controllers are back in stock. The conclusion was unacceptable latency, correct?

[balmy dagger]

"unacceptable" is subjective. It's at the worst with the NSO games, but ok otherwise.

[oblique remnant]

Which latency in ms is unacceptable?

[worldly quartz]

Probably anything above 16ms

Or 33ms if you only play 30fps games

That means it's delayed by 1 or more frames

[oblique remnant]

So much people goin for a Snac I have the impression. So anything above 2ms must be unacceptable 😀

[zinc dew]

Everything is fine

go with what you like

just view things in terms of performance, not quality

there are plusses and minuses to every decision, evaluate those on your own terms

[plush summit]

Ideally, you'd have a controller for N64 and any of the PC ported games 😄

[misty snow]

The 8bitdo Diy kit is perfect for the core. Can't recomended enough

[hasty kayak]

Love mine, was a bit fiddly getting those L and R Shoulder Buttons back in place with the board.

[cerulean elk]

Im sticking with the Brawler 64 for the lack of hand cramping

[paper orchid]

I should probably stick test the one I got off Amazon, but I've been enjoying it so far

[lament escarp]

The driver for rumble is still a problem though.

[mortal panther]

I have no (perceived) latency problems with my NSO 64 controller (via USB). It works great in my opinion.

[orchid nimbus]

good morning childeren

everyone take a seat

[lament escarp]

But it's a feature!

[zenith orchid]

sounds like brawler 64 is the best bet for most cases. haven't heard any drawbacks

[mortal panther]

Still waiting for mine to arrive.

[balmy dagger]

No emerald green for the BT version is my only complaint.

[zenith orchid]

doesn't BT add more latency anyway?

[balmy dagger]

I'm willing to trade convenience.

[iron dove]

Ooh new patron write up, cheers Robert 🙂

[zenith orchid]

to each their own I guess. I prefer not dealing with batteries

[wanton sun]

i really need to write a more deep technical article next time, but there is so much happening currently, i cannot really decide which topic. Tried to go more in detail with the expansion pak handling, but still , i want something like the psx bug hunts again 🙂

[iron dove]

The deep dives are excellent reads, as you say with so much progress an overview is definately warranted

[wary stag]

Is this core released?

[zenith orchid]

not in the official repo, only test builds

[wary stag]

Thank you

Where are the test builds

[zenith orchid]

Check the pins please

it should cover most of your initial questions

[wary stag]

I see it. cheers mate

[zenith orchid]

Oof, HM64 is the same story, with the texture and the crashing.

I was hoping one of the fixes would do something for it

Other than that, I didn't expect Hexen to play so smoothly, though there appears to be no strafing?

[orchid nimbus]

@zenith orchid debug it and let FPGAZumSpass know

[zenith orchid]

actually I should check to see if it crashes at the same exact spot every time

[undone oak]

is there a way to line-double the n64 core? wouldnt mind trying it on pc crt

[zenith orchid]

well it seems to consistently crash in the intro, but not at the same spot

[orchid nimbus]

Time for coffee

[iron dove]

Z + analogue stick I think

[dense chasm]

NSO CONTROLLER IS ON THE NINTENDO WEBSITE

Whoops, all caps my bad

[azure hatch]

I wonder what it is about castlevania that's keeping it from booting O.o

[iron dove]

It's ok to be excited for the trident controller

[weary beacon]

MKT has it I think. Plays really good then just feezes in 1-2 round

[candid copper]

buddy of mine ran the update_N64.sh script, snagged the pif's and put them in /media/fat/games/N64/boot.rom and boot1.rom, and loads the core and gets E00040 before even loading a single game

known-good games don't load either

[daring meteor]

That's normal

What's the size of the pifs

[azure hatch]

I downloaded a known working copy of the mister file which fixed the issues I had - i think at some point I changed it for the saturn core or something

[candid copper]

the script downloads the latest nightly mister

[candid copper]

checking

/media/fat/Scripts# ls -l /media/fat/games/N64/*.rom
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8704 Sep 14 14:32 /media/fat/games/N64/boot1.rom
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8710 Sep 14 14:31 /media/fat/games/N64/boot.rom

[daring meteor]

This is incorrect

[candid copper]

sigh yeah I see that. he must've done something dumb when he downloaded them

thank you

I'll bet he right-click/save-as'd

[hot spoke]

One of the best games of all time

[zinc dew]

Game isn’t good

[orchid nimbus]

stop attempting to be an edgelord @zinc dew

[trim seal]

I come here and this is how you greet me? Violence?

[fair stump]

"It's great"

[zinc dew]

It’s wonderful!

[orchid nimbus]

that's better @zinc dew

[hot spoke]

Now we're talking

[trim seal]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-storm-storm-in-a-tea-cup-tea-cup-arguing-gif-27377873

[hot spoke]

I'm tempted to watch this for several more minutes, waiting for the cup to finally overflow

[mortal panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haoiSDKghLE

[dense chasm]

There arent a lot of games that i really want to play on n64, but my experience emulating n64 hasnt been great, so i'm very excited to experience the jank in the best way possible

[weary beacon]

sm64, mkt, rush 2049, pokemon stadium2. theres a lot of fun to be had.

[zealous hull]

Sound issues aside, this core is already my favorite way to play DK64.

It's already better than the Wii U Virtual Console port, imo

Wild.

[zinc dew]

As predictable as that joke is, it always gets someone lol

[orchid nimbus]

so happy about Metroid 4

[zealous hull]

Robert, would you care to speak to this a little bit more?

I'm not quite sure what you mean but would like to help out if possible.

[zealous hull]

You mean Fusion? Yeah it's a great game.

[orchid nimbus]

I don't know what a good approach would be - but the easiest way to spot and test is when the camera cloud guy flies over the moat and under the bridge in Mario 64

[sharp beacon]

This is way too big for a real coffee 😉

[orchid nimbus]

about 3.5" high

for scale

[wanton sun]

the sound is done with 16 bit samples. i could make a detection in the core to see if the difference between them is so large, that it will result in a pop that can be heared. As this is most likely wrong, i could trigger an error flag or signaltap with it. But i'm no audio expert so i don't know if that could work

[spark granite]

I tried mine earlier and it seemed fine on MiSTer. I didn't do any scientific testing though

[zealous hull]

Ah. Forgive me. I misread your original message as asking for testers to find reproducible audio-popping issues.

I hadn't had my coffee yet.

I wonder if other core devs have debugged audio issues with a similar approach.

[rapid prairie]

For like the first three seconds of this in the direct I thought we were going to get a new fzero. Lame.

[trim seal]

I work in audio - pops are notoriously difficult to isolate from real audio depending on the content - normally you'd take a running windowed average of the signal and set a threshold and if the transient rise is within a few samples and well over the running average, with a fast decay, then it's likely a pop/click that shouldn't be there.

[orchid nimbus]

@trim seal oh you know them when you hear them on the core

[trim seal]

Sure, but getting electronics to tell the difference is a different story. Also a high-pass filter at about 8khz is useful to the search.

[zenith orchid]

Why do people delay their coffee? I can't imagine a higher priority 😄

[trim seal]

I'm actually working on this for work at the moment, in dsp. Easier these days analysing a file, but in real-time much harder.

[mild ether]

I will test Dr Mario for audio pops for a hour.

[orchid nimbus]

@mild ether no use - it doesn't pop

[zealous hull]

I find it to be better to drink coffee about 15-30 minutes after I wake up. Dunno why, it's just what I prefer to do.

[zenith orchid]

I played Dr. Mario for about 45 minutes, still not quite as good at it as I was in the NES days, but getting there

[mild ether]

ahh well, I guess I will just play Dr Mario.

[languid dune]

It may not pop, but it sure is a bop!

[zealous hull]

The classic Dr. Mario catchphrase.

[zenith orchid]

Really? That's... interesting. for me I would just be groggy for 15-30 minutes longer than I would like to be

[zealous hull]

For what it's worth, there have been some findings that backup my behavior.

[zenith orchid]

Well, you could just have a second coffee 15-30 minutes after your first 😂

[trim seal]

I drink my coffee an hour or two after I get up - I find it makes my brain less dependant on the coffee itself to wake up. Just my $0.02.

[paper orchid]

Oh right, it's that time of the day, new core coffee time

[zealous hull]

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

[paper orchid]

I drink, and y'all gonna hate me for this one

decaf

[zealous hull]

Nah, you do you.

[languid dune]

I've never even tried coffee. Hate me!

[paper orchid]

I have a local roaster who figured out how to make excellent-tasting decaf, primarily because at one point she was pregnant and the doctor said "no coffee" and her reaction was "well fuck that"

Morning cappuccino for breakfast, then an americano during the day

(usually multiple)

[fallen sparrow]

This looks fun

[orchid nimbus]

This could be a complete wild goose chase - but I start to believe that drawing of polygons might be causing some overflow which might be related to the audio pops
it's mostly with 3D games and movement of the environment.

this is just a wild speculation on my end

[trim seal]

We'd much rather recruit you. JOIN US.

[languid dune]

Nevah!

[trim seal]

Oh, ok then.

[quaint pewter]

Coffee is the best.

[zealous hull]

checks out

I literally laughed out loud when I read "TheCaffeineKid is typing..."

[primal bolt]

they found gold with that alien

[zenith orchid]

I'm really looking forward to THPS3 having all of its visual issues fixed. remapping the c buttons to the 4 buttons on the DS3 makes the controls basically perfect

[zealous hull]

Pokemon Gold.

In a transfer pak.

[mortal panther]

Almost like talking about 3DO long enough prompts Archive3DO is typing... 😉

[tropic sand]

Dark Rift.. A hit so powerful it broke the core 😂

[quaint pewter]

Haha the error is 9040 so it literally is over 9000.

[mortal panther]

That's why I posted that. 😏

[quaint pewter]

Aimed for and got 🙂

[mortal panther]

Pew pew 😄

[sinful kayak]

Hi! I tried to get the N64core working, Watched Video Game Esotericas tutorial, but not one game loads. Black screen only, games don't boot. Can somebody explain what i must do to get it working. And is there some list what games are booting. I tried like 5 games no one booted.

[lean spruce]

read the wiki in pinned comments

probably need unstable Main

[quasi storm]

Z button is strafe modifier

[zenith orchid]

ah good to know.. but that means no circle strafing right?

[quasi storm]

Yeah, I guess not. Never though about it before now.

[zenith orchid]

yeah nonetheless it's amazing to see the game playing at 60fps

[quasi storm]

30

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/

[zenith orchid]

then its a pretty consistent 30 😄

[quasi storm]

Yep, 30 (mostly) locked.

There's a part in the game with a crumbling bridge that tanks of frame rate to about 12 or 10, but that's really the worst part.

Play the dick out of it just a few days ago, it's too bad I can't save yet. Great game!

I played the fighter. Who is your favorite?

[native mesa]

Don't corgis eat poop?

[orchid nimbus]

this is a vampire corgi

[wanton sun]

too bad, then i need to find another way of detecting the rsp bug

[zenith orchid]

you must know the maps really well, I remember it being a massive key hunt with lots of backtracking

[quasi storm]

Actually no. The few days ago was my first time playing it 😆

[native mesa]

Does it use square pixels though?

[quasi storm]

Like, ever. I guess I can't really say the fighter is my favorite as I haven't yet tried the others. Nice change of gameplay, though.

[mortal panther]

Asking the real questions

[native mesa]

I demand slightly elongated pixels or else

[mortal panther]

half expecting a "I'll give you slightly elongated" comment from Robby any moment...

[native mesa]

7:6 like my

[twin barn]

probably set a trigger in signal tap on transition from some normal audio stream and it going to 1111111111111111 or something? a big pop should usually be a sudden full set of 1's. detection in the core itself at runtime could probably be if all of the bits are simultaneously all 1's, however that's only if this "pop" is when it's all 1's. That would be like a voltage spike, etc...

(also would result in probably false positives if it's supposed to be all 1's at some point in the stream lol)

a pop might be coming from like an overflow or some multiplication of the volume not being handled right. i'm just starting to learn about this audio stuff so it's fresh in my mind lol. you could do a thing where you detect an all 1's and then have it do an average between the previous cycle and the next cycle with a series of delay registers to soften the blow if it's something on og hardware that was filtered by analog circuitry.

I only have an example of what I mean to provide in verilog, sorry

https://github.com/ZipCPU/dspfilters/blob/master/rtl/iiravg.v

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun Do you think you could add widescreen toggle in the next build? DK64 among several other games have the option in game but it seems the core needs to support it

https://gametyrant.com/news/n64-games-that-had-widescreen-support-part-1-anamorphic-widescreen

oh wow, even starshot has it

[native mesa]

He has a roadmap

[zenith orchid]

Yeah but it should be a simple matter of making screen stretching toggle-able

[hexed knot]

FPS Overlay, Error Overlay, Spectrogram Overlay?

[primal bolt]

i had no idea n64 had a few widescreen option games, but makes sense

[quasi storm]

How else do you expect to achieve 60 FPS in GoldenEye while looking at the floor?

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, and a few others have widescreen hacks. I don't think culling was really a thing on the N64

[quasi storm]

It's funny to me that you can actually achieve 60 FPS in quite a few N64 games, but commonly they only run at 30 or 20. The poor thing is trying so hard. 😦

[mild ether]

Is this actually a thing on real hardware?

[twin barn]

currently some stuff is running faster than original hardware.

he posted about it awhile ago with a hardware test

he will add delays later

[quasi storm]

60 FPS? Besides f zero you mean?

Or smash?

[mild ether]

Yeah, I was refering to 60 fps.

[twin barn]

there's a funny thing, some games will run slower if you have the expanded ram toggled, this was the sam eon og hardware

could try turning it back from 8mb to 4mb and see if the games perform better or vice versa

[quasi storm]

It's possible. For instance, in GoldenEye, in the runway stage. If you turn the ratio all the way to max widescreen, then go to the building that has the plane key in it and look in the corner of the building at the floor, you can achieve 60.

[wanton sun]

i fear the values are completly random, not defined min/max 😦

[twin barn]

ah darn

maybe signal triggering to try and detect multiplication by big bit shifting from the rom?

that would be hard to detect though

like how would you since it's a serial stream haha

this is an interesting problem

[proud tundra]

Seriously didn’t know to hit the title to see pins.

[twin barn]

it's hard to detect when you can't predict the expected result and compare to an unexpected in this ecase, practically impossible i would think

[quasi storm]

Layout change. Used to be more straightforward...

[wanton sun]

i thought if there is 50% difference or so from previous signal, this would likely be too much, but maybe it can happen in real world audio, no idea

[quasi storm]

On mobile anyway.

[twin barn]

maybe would have to write a test rom that purposefully manipulates multiplication to volume registers at varying levels, test on og hardware and test in the core and compare output somehow...

[forest forge]

Greetings everyone, I'm looking for an experimental version that adjusts the n64 controller analog to other types of PS3 controllers.

[mild ether]

Took me a long time to figure it out too when I started discord. It isn't obvious.

[wanton sun]

the aspect ratio isn't correct currently, it's a hack that forces 4:3. It makes no sense to have an option for a different hack. Let's wait until the proper video out is implemented

you can of course do you own build with 16:9 and use it for those games, it's really simple

[forest forge]

Since my ps3 controller in the n64 core only accepts left and right direction, not up or down.

[wanton sun]

#1096015979055697940 message

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, I was hoping it could be a toggle so it doesn't have to be separate cores. no worries, it'd be a nice convenience, but isn't necessary

[quasi storm]

Darn it, Robert. We're trying to teach new users to help themselves 😆

[native mesa]

You could build in a toggle

[zenith orchid]

how?

[native mesa]

The core is open source

Because Robert a god among men

[twin barn]

get to work on the widescreen hack fork, chop chop, you have your orders. i expect results in 1 week. ~your boss

[zenith orchid]

ok, and?

[twin barn]

be the change you want to believe in

[native mesa]

Fork the source code, make your changes you want then compile

[twin barn]

only way to learn is to try 🙂

[zenith orchid]

where do I make the changes? and what do I change to what?

[left depot]

So I was today years old when I discovered with a simple soldering job you can get an N64 rumble pak to work without any batteries. 🤯

[daring meteor]

In N64.sv:

assign VIDEO_ARX = 12'd4;
assign VIDEO_ARY = 12'd3;

You change it to

assign VIDEO_ARX = (status[999])? 12'd4 : 12'd16;
assign VIDEO_ARY = (status[999])? 12'd3 : 12'd9;

Not really the full but that's the gist of it

[zenith orchid]

how would you make it a toggle though?

[zinc dew]

First of all, that's very cool. Secondly, does that cause any damage due to the increased power draw?

[mild ether]

The sources for FPGA stuff looks even more like gibberish than most programming languages to me.

[daring meteor]

The status[999] is a toggle

[twin barn]

well that status is too big, but yeah it's generally how you could do that, as long as those hacks only require an aspect ratio change and not a resolution change

[daring meteor]

The "Array" called status is an array of all the settings

[weary beacon]

original console could do 3x rumble paks with the mod. Doing all 4 would cause issues.