Nintendo 64

[sudden pumice]

Is it worth submitting a bug report for a Mario Kart 64 level that runs “too fast” because it doesn’t drop frames like original hardware? Or is that sort of thing expected right now

[worn delta]

Just mark those as boots and make a note of your findings

[chrome quest]

No need to report yet. Robert noted it earlier today, will get worked on in time. #1096015979055697940 message

[dreamy ridge]

i predict a new video in the pipe lol

[worn delta]

Robert isn't after any logged bugs right now, but good to know, he will likely see your note when he checks tomorrow

Great to see some more testing of the PAL games. The ROW tab could do with some love to. Robert might appreciate knowing which German games are playing well. 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Who me 🤣

It’s a IPS WonderSwan Crystal with a flash cart. I make bad decisions: handheld edition

[chrome quest]

Ok. I'll go through mine now and put some back to "Boots". Maybe an update the phrasing on the "Info" tab would help? I thought that Playable technically. Could maybe say something like.... reasonably playable.... or something. Long as people know, won't matter in the long run

[chrome quest]

The "ROW tab"?

[worn delta]

Rest of World

It is mostly specific European countries but also an Asian release and some Brazil off hand

[regal prism]

I thought we were talking about space station silicon valley

💀

[inner garden]

I hope running as fast as possible will be an option (fps boost if even possible)

[primal bolt]

I think Robert said there will be a trick or two to increase FPS, but not a full overclock

I am expecting a 5 or 10 FPS boost option

or hoping for, realistically

[hollow orbit]

What’s the procedure on running Vampier’s script to check updates? Run update_all then his?

[hexed knot]

I believe that's the order you'd want to run it if you were wanting to run both, since I think the regular update script replaces the unstable MiSTer file with the stable branch.

[hollow orbit]

That’s what I wanted to verify.

[elfin relic]

update_all will replace your MiSTer file if there's a new stable out

it won't always do it

but yes to be safe always run update_all first and then do the unstable incantations

[hexed knot]

I haven't done that yet myself, but I'd recommend backing up your boot.rom and database files regardless of which script you run. Neither should be affected, but it's probably good practice.

[hearty oar]

can confirm update_all won't touch your unstable MiSTer main or linux kernel

until those become stable I guess lol

[zealous hull]

I wish I was stable.

Savage.

[azure hatch]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-mood-7J26fDOzFJqPtO2Vxz

[brisk drum]

TLC confirmed for next build!!

https://tenor.com/view/tlc-waterfalls-dont-go-chasing-90s-music-dancing-gif-17860659

[cerulean elk]

90s times

[brisk drum]

90s>80s

[zealous hull]

Downloaded the Pokemon DLC and it's already bugged. Sigh. Time to play Stadium and remember what it used to be.

[cerulean elk]

80s has Escape from NY. It wins

[meager cosmos]

Happy happy happy

[teal citrus]

Joy Joy!

[vapid moat]

I completely forgot about the DLC even coming out

[zealous hull]

I'm one of the rare few that I've seen online that somehow didn't get the cutscene trigger to start it, so I can't even play it. 😂 At this point this is just sad.

But anyway. N64 is fun. It's never let me down.

[viscid nebula]

can we get tcl tho?

or just waterfalls

[languid ore]

Nintendo doesn't care. You've already paid them money.

[hearty oar]

I love buying every single turd that Game Freak puts out and then going online to complain about it after having played for 50+ hours

yeah, we Pokemon fans are not a smart bunch...

[paper orchid]

I want another Legends Arceus

I enjoyed that a whole lot more than the other Switch Pokemon games

[lone geyser]

"Just because it's bad, doesn't mean it's not fun. Just because it's fun, doesn't mean it's not bad"

[hearty oar]

I like the catching mechanics in Legends, but the battle system was just silly with the speed ordering and all the moves they just streamlined to be the same/removed

there's a good reason there was no multiplayer in that game

the animations were really cool and dynamic at least

[paper orchid]

I liked the idea of the speed ordering, but I wish it was less "style" based and more "oh, certain moves might allow me to go twice"

I did enjoy the ability to just run in the middle of a fight

[hearty oar]

yeah, something like that but with a maybe more traditional battling system, at least for trainer fights would be the ideal for me

I'm hoping the reason everything didn't carry over to SV was because the two were being worked on simultaneously

[paper orchid]

Yeah, I'm really hoping they do like a best of both approach

[ripe cargo]

Make sure you have the newest database. I don't get the autodetect failed message.

[paper orchid]

Granted I also really want a Pokemon game that brings me back to how I felt as a kid, I replayed Crystal with the 251-mon patch and a custom patch I did for forcing Gen 6+ experience sharing

That was a very pleasant playthrough

[zealous hull]

If I'm being honest. I really did enjoy the gameplay of S/V. Is it technically good? Absolutely not. But is there a fun game for me underneath it? In my opinion, yes.

I don't regret paying $60 for it.

[hearty oar]

Yeah, I had fun too, but it would be really cool if I didn’t have to caveat that fun with “in spite of the hilariously bad graphics and performance”

[native mesa]

I mean Pokemon MMO is like.. a goldmine waiting to happen

[paper orchid]

S/V was "fine" to me, though it was really stupid that I can only wear "these couple main sets of clothes"

[native mesa]

Idk why Nintendo is sleeping on it

[zealous hull]

I know. 😔

[native mesa]

Or game freak

[zealous hull]

Pokemon is too small an IP to dare attempt something that bold.

[candid copper]

so is the new kernel required to run the 64 core?

[elfin relic]

trying to imagine gamefreak actually developing a competent MMO when they can't even get offline single player to work right

[native mesa]

Lol

[hearty oar]

Yeah Game Freak need to sort their shit out first lol

[paper orchid]

Honestly I'd enjoy a Pokemon game that's just like "it's you! be that pokemon trainer you always wanted to be" and just...set you out into this massive world

[brisk drum]

No it doesn’t

[zealous hull]

S/V online is atrociously bad. Like--worst online I maybe have ever played bad.

[brisk drum]

Neither if you don’t pay the proper tribute

[zealous hull]

Anyway, sorry, this is a N64 chat.

[cerulean elk]

I said what I said

[paper orchid]

Right, so when's Game Freak going to bring back the lickitung sushi game

[brisk drum]

Plitskin!

[cerulean elk]

My biggest anger is 3DO M2 never came out and we never got the Escape from LA game that was in development

[mild ether]

It's Jack Burton.

[brisk drum]

He owes me money

[native mesa]

If Nintendo can do this with their #1 franchise

[cerulean elk]

It’s Snake Plissken. Porkchop might be mad but his most iconic role is Snake! Haha

[native mesa]

I think they can risk an MMO with their #2 franchise

[brisk drum]

“Biggest anger” good one Shakespeare lol

Im gonna start saying that now

[paper orchid]

could make MMO
could make a game that you play by sleeping

[elfin relic]

technicially ninty is only a stake holder in pokemon

[paper orchid]

It's all The Pokemon Company at this point

Which Nintendo has majority control over IIRC

[native mesa]

Or wanking. Remember Pokemon Pikachu?

[elfin relic]

which is a joint venture of ninty, game freak, and creatures

[paper orchid]

excuse me. clothes drying

[meager cosmos]

You could sell me that

I've played and finished every mainline Pokemon game... until scarlet. I just couldn't do it.

[native mesa]

I played up until silver

[zealous hull]

You've won.

(Gen III is my gen, tbh. Still love it.)

[paper orchid]

I fell off after GSC; tried to get into the later ones but couldn't

[candid copper]

I keep getting E00005 when trying to boot n64 roms :<

[paper orchid]

Tried Pearl, eh, waited until X/Y/Sun/Moon, eh

[meager cosmos]

I was in 3rd grade in 1999... I guess I'm a genwunner.

[native mesa]

GBA was a bad handheld

[meager cosmos]

Sun and Moon were pretty awful.

[zealous hull]

Ouch. Why do you think that?

[paper orchid]

I heard B/W were really good story-wise

I want to try them but I just...can't

[native mesa]

They really screwed the pooch with software mixing and terrible audio

[zealous hull]

No pokemon will ever be as good as the pokemon you grew up with.

[hearty oar]

Gen 5 is peak

[zealous hull]

Yeah, the audio is awful. I agree. But it's not as if it's a downgrade from GB/GBC.

[meager cosmos]

Yeah they were the last I loved. And it's based on NY so I'm biased.

[native mesa]

I'll take chip audio over low bitrate samples any day

[hearty oar]

I really like Alola region and Gen 7 characters and mons, although trying to play the tutorial and unskippable cutscene filled story again is pain

[zealous hull]

Legitimately, I don't blame you.

[hearty oar]

It’s all downhill from there imo

[paper orchid]

I know there's quite a few patches to fix audio in some games

[meager cosmos]

Yeah I was gonna say the start is such a slog

[paper orchid]

Changing order of operations to mix before downsampling

[meager cosmos]

Yeah the link to the past one is a huge improvement.

[zealous hull]

I never had Stadium/Stadium 2 growing up. But I'm excited to mess around with it. I've played some on my EverDrive, but I think I want to go all in with MiSTer.

Especially if I can use my Crystal Clear team with 2.

[hearty oar]

Ohh, I wonder if the cart I flashed crystal clear to can work with transfer pak via snac

[candid copper]

nevermind found the vampier site

[zealous hull]

Looks great!

[meager cosmos]

Stadium was probably the first time I ever emulated a game.

[random portal]

does autosave only work when the database correctly detects the game?

[mortal panther]

Most iconic role?? Please... 😉

[zealous hull]

I don't believe so? Are you having issues? So long as the correct CIC/savetype/etc is set manually, it should autosave on OSD opening, yeah?

[native mesa]

Lol mans didn't experience nesticle

[zealous hull]

Well, it won't even boot if the CIC isn't correct, but you get what I mean

[meager cosmos]

Nope

[zealous hull]

God, I forgot about the icon.

[hearty oar]

Anyone else remember playing bootleg Gen 2 on nocash before release?

[native mesa]

With star man from mother in it?

[hearty oar]

Probably, I have vague memories of it being not quite right

I think it was secretly a hack of Keitai Denju Telefang

[random portal]

Ill troubleshoot some savetype then

[zealous hull]

Yeah, if it's set to the wrong savetype, it won't be saving correctly.

[native mesa]

We had discs that kids would burn for eachother in elementary school that had "full romsets" for the time

[candid copper]

holy mother of all that is holy I never expected to see mischief makers running on the MiSTer

I read that it's HDMI only, but black and white video is making its way through my YC active encoder board to my crt

[noble ember]

Can't wait to get it

[inner garden]

Dr. Mario 64 working great

[zealous hull]

Yeah some people have been playing on CRT, I believe. It's just not "supported".

[noble ember]

@zealous hull I play on a CRT. Looks great in RGB

[zealous hull]

There ya go.

[brisk edge]

Something I can't ever forget was a few years ago I showed the Thing to some friends who had never seen it before, and one of them just kept asking "why is his hat so big" and I never noticed how huge it was before lol and now I focus on it every time

[zealous hull]

Cool. And now you've spread it to me. 😅

wtf it's huge

[brisk edge]

It's wild, like how do you not notice it for so long

I had seen the movie probably like 10 times at that point too

[primal bolt]

lol

never noticed either

[fiery grove]

when i try to load the controllertest.v64 gives me an auto-detect error, but doesn't load the homebrew, is there something i'm missing? i have the latest test build and used the newest update_n64 script

[candid copper]

what do you mean by "RGB"? is there a way to get color going?

[fiery grove]

and the database

[noble ember]

@zealous hull

@candid copper I have an RGB capable CRT TV that I connect my MiSTer to

[candid copper]

ahh I see

[noble ember]

@candid copper RGB is the best quality video for retro consoles

[ripe cargo]

you need the save state for that file, or. just load the Sanni controller test from the HTGDB set. it works fine without the save state.

[candid copper]

I only have RCA on mine

[noble ember]

@candid copper you mean composite (yellow) ?

[zealous hull]

That explains the black and white then.

[candid copper]

yeah

😄

[mossy needle]

Just completed diddy kong racing

[meager cosmos]

Great minds

[fiery grove]

thanks

[twin barn]

well technically digital video to analog video will have lower "quality" (loss of original signal) than digital video to digital video 😉

[mossy needle]

Going to put it as completable

[zealous hull]

I own a CRT, but I prefer HDMI. Fight me.

[candid copper]

mischief makers crashes after the start screen

[zealous hull]

I'm happy that CRT people are happy though.

[noble ember]

@candid copper here are more examples of RGB on a CRT

[twin barn]

i have multiple crt's it has it's own quality that's different. i prefer hdmi most of the time, the core looks great over hdmi, a lot better than using an external upscaler (which would be digital --> analog --> digital), probably equivalent to using one of the digital -> digital internal modded upscalers though like woozle's stuff

[candid copper]

that looks gorgeous

nice game selection too

[mossy needle]

Having had both I understand the want for authenticity of a crt but also appreciate the convenience of a modern tv

[zealous hull]

Yeah, I have an N64/Retrotink setup right next to my MiSTer. I'm crossing my fingers I can stash those away someday.

[twin barn]

i'm not used to the bending of the image at the corners anymore, almost makes me dizzy on some games on a crt now that i'm used to the perfectly flat image

[mossy needle]

Also having run fighting game tournaments, lugging atound arcade boards and cabinets is a lot

[twin barn]

n64 though is a system that feels good on a crt for sure

needs that smoothing

[noble ember]

@twin barn yea N64 on a CRT is really nice

@candid copper

[zealous hull]

That is very nice image quality. May I ask what that is?

[noble ember]

@zealous hull my MiSTer outputting to my Toshiba 27A34 CRT via component video

[zealous hull]

Beautiful setup.

[noble ember]

Most people think of Sony Trinitrons when they want a CRT but the Toshiba A-series is just as good

[candid copper]

hahahaha yoshi's story looks insane

[zealous hull]

Yeah, I thought this was Sony. But I'm also not deep in that world. It looks really nice!

[noble ember]

@zealous hull Toshiba A-series can rival some Sony PVMs

Curved screen CRTs with component input are very desirable

[candid copper]

what adapter do you need for rgb?

[hearty oar]

JVC monitors are really nice too

[noble ember]

@hearty oar yea JVC D-Series. I prefer Toshiba A-series

@candid copper I have an analog IO board in my MiSTer and I have a VGA to SCART cable

A friend of mine made me this cable. It supports component and RGB for MiSTer, PS1/PS2, and Wii

[hearty oar]

Pretty happy with my Sony, but I wouldn’t buy it for todays prices…

[candid copper]

oh neat so I'd only need the cable then I guess. I have an analog board as well

I have an emerson crt lol

[noble ember]

@candid copper well your CRT also needs to be capable of inputting RGB.

[candid copper]

yeah

[hearty oar]

ypbpr component looks just as good to my untrained eyes

if I was looking for a new TV I would just find a decent one that supports that and call it a day

[noble ember]

@hearty oar nice PVM. What model?

My main display is my Sony KX-2501A (Profeel)

[hearty oar]

20m4a. I replaced some key caps a while back so it's in not too bad shape, although after I moved it a little while ago I think I might have nudged the yoke a bit so there are some subtle convergence issues at the edges

nothing you can notice during normal play thankfully

[noble ember]

@hearty oar that's a good model

[fiery grove]

anyone has tried the lemonici build for the analog fix of the controllers?

[hearty oar]

yes, it works really well with both the NSO N64 and gamecube pads that I've tried it with

[fiery grove]

when i try to use it (replacing the actual MiSTer file) and reboot my MiSTer it doesn't finish to boot and doesn't show the menu, but i can still access via ftp, and then restore the backup of my actual MiSTer file and does load normally

what am i doing wrong?

[noble ember]

@hearty oar that model isn't cheap.

[hearty oar]

no, like I said I wouldn't buy it today...

[hearty oar]

did you use filezilla and if so was it in binary mode (have to ask lol)?

[fiery grove]

i use filezilla but didn't know about that, it's on automatic

i have to set it binary?

[hearty oar]

yep, otherwise it may treat it as ascii, which is what is happening here

[fiery grove]

thanks

it worked

[orchid nimbus]

filezilla ... creator of problems

guttenmorgen FPGAZumSpass

[wanton sun]

it would probably make things worse, because you tell the tool your chip is better and it doesn't has to try so hard. For the worst case path it's probably no difference anyway, but for all the other paths, it will assume it can do relaxed timing, potentially making them the also not meet timing for the C7 in these paths.

[uncut gyro]

and don’t forget about Genecyst 😛

[orchid nimbus]

Nesticle

[uncut gyro]

and VGB.EXE

[fiery grove]

whoa, it improves so well the sticks i'm testing f-zero with the cheap usb controller from amazon and it feels so good, the excess of sensitiveness is gone

now feels more like the original one

[uncut gyro]

The year I was in university there was this emulation BOOM. Totally opened my mind and reinvigorated my passion for reverse engineering

[hearty oar]

nice, yeah I think markun and Lemonici did an amazing job, keen for this to make it into the unstable main

[orchid nimbus]

@hearty oar once Sorg allows it

[hearty oar]

true

[worldly quartz]

So for now how many snax/snac n64 ports would there be?

Thinking if the vru will be compatible since it's on last slot

[sudden pumice]

Same.

[worldly quartz]

My MiSTer is literally on top of an n64

due to its awkward shape and connections

but I don't know if I'll stash it away when the core gets there

[quasi storm]

Keep a kid nearby. Isn't it calibrated for higher voices?

[worldly quartz]

wouldn't be surprised lol. I don't live in the US. Maybe I'll do a southern accent too since it's a US VRU

[quasi storm]

I think I remember that being a thing back then. Stories of adults buying the game but being unable to play it due to the voice recognition.

[worldly quartz]

well they did say the mic is awful

https://www.svg.com/607791/we-finally-know-why-pikachu-ignored-you-in-hey-you-pikachu/

[rapid prairie]

Anyone else getting auto detect failed message when trying to load smash remix?

[chilly ember]

That will happen because it's not in the database. Just load up original smash bros first then remix and it will work

[oblique remnant]

Looks good but i already have an arduino for snes/md/fc and I prefer a dual N64 port

[hearty oar]

hah, I wonder if it would be possible to use a USB mic in the core

[worldly quartz]

probably not unless drivers were made and such

I feel we'd need 4 port snac for it to work

or somehow be able to assign port number

[hearty oar]

I was going to say, we must already have mic support, otherwise how could you defeat Pol's Voice in Zelda no Densetsu on Famicom, but apparently its just mappable to a button, because it's really just on on/off binary state when you yell into it

[quasi storm]

Just went on an "E" crusade in the sheets. There are none left...

[hollow rune]

I like that this is consistent now, cause E is always there right? My only concern is that Vampier's error interpreter seems to need the E to work correctly. We just need to let people who check their errors know that

[quasi storm]

It's the other way around.

...right?

I thought the E was unnecessary.

[hollow rune]

Try using vampiers checker thingy. I get different results with the E vs without

[quasi storm]

I also swear someone was asking if a bro would go in and remove all the Es

[hollow rune]

Well there you go

lol

Turbochop you are a hero

[quasi storm]

You were confusing me 😆. I know, it's easy to do. Maybe try something with some challenge for a change?

[hollow rune]

lol

I won't do it again as long as I read all the instructions

I guess it doesn't help to send people like me to Vampier's FAQ, you gotta read it for them too. One step harder than just answering all questions in the channel lol

[hearty python]

But it’s hard sometimes ever answer the same questions 😁

[hollow rune]

oh i was being silly

[hearty python]

Mister gets easier but it isn’t a ready to run thing like analogue products

[hollow rune]

it is great what Vampier did, I was just making fun of my mistake. We gotta keep directing people to the faq

[quasi storm]

Welcome to @orchid nimbus 's world 😆

[hearty python]

Perhaps a setting in a bot can help here. User type faq and get the Link to it 😁

[quasi storm]

And even then, some people go splay-eyed.

"What do I do?!"

So, did I read correctly? Is Robert working on TLB?

Been quite the gap between releases (Relatively speaking) so, maybe?

[hollow rune]

I didn't read everything yesterday. Alot of the discussion was about the .txt file and how it should be updated and where it should be stored on MiSTer

Robert is super busy and won't be really doing much til the weekend

[wanton sun]

there will be no TLB any time soon. I have a list of at least 10 other things i want to do before

[rose elbow]

1. Save Hyrule

[wanton sun]

complete rdp, add flash, add controller pak, add video out (AA, dither, ...), fix the random crashes in mario64 and other games

just to mention some

[hearty python]

Sounds like a plan 😁

[compact lark]

excited for video out.
gimme the vaseline

[cunning fable]

what would be the "immediate" benefit of TLB? (as in: are there games that don't start because of it?)

[hearty python]

Still at 74% ?

[zenith orchid]

in that order?

I personally am waiting for dithering before I start my zelda playthroughs. It just doesn't look right to me without it

[wanton sun]

order is not fixed, i do whatever i like to do next 🙂

[wanton sun]

yes

[rose crypt]

new mister owner, just got this up and running and my partner is very happily playing snowboard kids with only a couple of audio issues, good stuff

[zenith orchid]

@rose crypt congrats! 👏

[remote hatch]

for me Mario Kart is enough 🤣

we have a great time

[zenith orchid]

I've been playing both MK64 and DKR, and I've been learning towards DKR more these days

MK64 is a classic though

[rose elbow]

Snowboard Kids 2 also looks soooo lovely and colourful 😍

[zenith orchid]

People often complain about dithering on the PSX, but usually no one notices it on the N64 unless it's missing. It really makes good use of it

I bet all games will look better with that improved perceived color depth

[hearty python]

Yes, some games need it to play. SM64 has a intro only that used TLB, so there a patch work to skipping it. There is a list of TLB games.

[cloud peak]

Since sin and punishment and Ucchannanchan no Honō no Challenger: Denryū Iraira Bō works, I call this core complete

[weary beacon]

How can I download the core??

[elfin relic]

carefully

check the pins in the channel, there's a faq, instructions, etc.

[inner bronze]

By exchanging octets of bits with a server based on an identifying string

[versed cairn]

This is because what people call the Vaseline filter is actually meant to be a de-dither filter. It does a great job of smoothing out the dither. With it off it’s very strong. Uglier then ps1 for sure

[weary palm]

Nothing is uglier than ps1

[hollow rune]

Even Switch games do dithering. Like in Mario Odyssey if the camera gets close to mario it jest renders different intervals of pixels based on how close the camera is. I think a few first party games on Switch do that. I think it looks cool

[versed cairn]

Unlike ps1 the dither on n64 isn’t very even looking

Oh you mean the dither transparencies? Lots of modern games use that to cut down on render passes

[hollow rune]

I did not realize that. Either way it looks super cool

[versed cairn]

It’s pretty smart. A lot of games also use AA like TAA to blend the dither back to transparent

[hearty oar]

They also use TAA to turn chain link fences and other fine details into an indeterminate, blurry mess

[versed cairn]

For me the accumulation blur is such a eye sore

Temporal AA can look so ugly if the devs don’t pay proper attention to what it’s doing

[quasi storm]

Dither, then de-dither. Make up your dang mind...

[mild finch]

luckily, we have better methods than TAA now.

[rapid glade]

Wondering if anyone can help, since using the ‘update_N64’ script, my analogue stick on OG N64 Controller has stopped working in Mario Kart. It works fine in the menu’s but when a race starts I can no longer steer 🤷🏻‍♂️ any ideas?

[tropic sand]

I sometime have to go into The n64 core and remap again and then save settings

[rapid glade]

I’ve tried that! 😕

[hasty kayak]

My Controller Mapping is being retained without issue (N64 8BitDo Bluetooth Mod Kit).

[rose crypt]

Oh I was just asking about that thing in the controllers channel. Do you have an NSO controller to compare? I'm not sure which to buy

[rapid glade]

It’s really strange, as it was working fine until I ran the update_n64 script, but I’ve just checked the script and there’s nothing in there to do with controller mapping. I’ve just deleted a load of inputs and trying again!

[random portal]

Manually set CIC to 1603 so you dobt jave to load the game twice.

[safe robin]

When you use the n64 update script, it does update to the newest unstable mister and there was a bug with the mapping it seems.

#unstable-nightlies message

Maybe that's the reason you had problems?

[rapid glade]

Thanks, I thought I had manually updated to the latest nightlie before running the script, I’ll go double check 👍🏻

Not that I’m afraid, I just “rolled” back to the one I manually uploaded before when it was working and I’m still having the same issue, I can’t steer in Mario Kart 😭

I did do an Update_all as well, I’m now wondering if there is something in there that’s broke it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[cobalt junco]

could be how you are mapping the n64 controller. up down part just map the dpad the joystick is automatically done

[rapid glade]

It’s working again now, I ran update_all again and deleted all of the inputs again. Now seems fine 🤷🏻‍♂️ not sure what went wrong but at least it back to normal fewwww thanks for your help guys

[safe robin]

i have deactivated the unstable_mister update part from my N64 update script and made a seperate update_unstable_mister script because the change we need for N64 is from 18. August here: #unstable-nightlies message
So all the unstable changes after this could break things while they are not needed.

[rapid glade]

Right I’ve figured out what was happening (kinda my fault 🤦🏻‍♂️) to get the C Up and C Left to map in the N64 Core, you have to configure Stick 2 using the C buttons in the main MiSTer controller setup, but if you configure Stick 1 first I.e. the Analogue stick, it stops working in the core… I hope that makes sense

To work around this just press Space to skip Stick 1 configuration and everything is now happy and working again 😊

[cerulean elk]

Lol world weekly news

Call me when Batboy gets involved

[broken viper]

Batboy is real! He fights against unhealthy fast food policies. Pretty sure he ended the Super Sized McDonald's menu

[hearty python]

In a German Song " Und es hat boom gemacht"... 😂

[lament escarp]

Thanks for giving me ear worms!

[cerulean elk]

Mothman is real too. He's in Chicago

[lament escarp]

Are you mothman?

[daring meteor]

I am mothman

[stuck summit]

That's because, usually, on an actual N64, the heavy blur filter blends the dithering, kinda like Genesis composite. So you can't even see it most of the time. You can use a gameshark/patched ROM to disable the blur and then games become heavily dithered

[elder glade]

personally, I think the N64 should have had more blurring

[vapid hawk]

yeah n64 doesn't just rely on composite to do its blurring, they blur it up digitally before even encoding

pretty forward thinking actually

[primal bolt]

This is true

it was created in a lab

[primal bolt]

This is false

[cerulean elk]

This is why since MiSTer I’ve been keeping it to “real hardware from the PS1/Saturn/N64 generation and below on PVM” and “PS2 and forward scaled on tv”

[inner bronze]

Nah. Bad engineering. Couldve lowered costs further by relying on composite 🥲

[cerulean elk]

With a carve out for Dreamcast on VGA monitor in one room and VGA scaled for my 4K

And if I want to play on my living room tv it’s just MiSTer time

[stuck summit]

Yeah, N64's composite output is actually very high quality

and not that blurry

[lament escarp]

@cerulean elk you mind if I dm you about some analouge pocket questions?

[cerulean elk]

Sure. DM me so we keep chat on topic. Or else @zinc dew hits me (edit: saw you said DM lol)

[storm vessel]

Curious but, why do PAL games tend to play more than NTSC ones? Is there any specific reason or just 'cause?

[mortal panther]

What do you mean by "play more"?

[cerulean elk]

I just think he means he gets more to boot and run

[orchid nimbus]

what did you call me?

[cerulean elk]

I wonder if batboy is Dracula adjacent

[brisk drum]

Ha ha no TLC anytime soon

[daring meteor]

Only QLC

[brisk drum]

Looking forward to that mem pack support !

[brisk drum]

What in gods blue erf is qlc?

[inner bronze]

SLC or go home

[daring meteor]

QLC is a type of memory, just like TLC. You meant to type TLB

[inner bronze]

[lament escarp]

Tender, loving care?

[daring meteor]

I'm curious to see the final few crash fixes (Jet Force Gemini, OOT, SM64, DK64 Wrestling games) cause they're non obvious

[mortal panther]

For the time being, we're having to settle for BRB.

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/tlc-no-scrubs-90s-music-i-dont-want-dancing-gif-17860658

No this TLC

[orchid nimbus]

[Sorgelig 2023-09-11 d799c1c] input: fix mapping.

great communicator

[mortal panther]

Pithy

[inner bronze]

Nintendo: improved stability
actually fixes exploits

[orchid nimbus]

I only do TcL

[inner bronze]

bash is what the kids snort these days

[lament escarp]

Whats Robert cooking today anyway? It's quiet. Too quiet.

[inner bronze]

He said he was busy until the weekend

[lament escarp]

Human responsibilities. 😄

[native mesa]

Pondering TLB most likely

[orchid nimbus]

yes we've been spoiled enough

[frail jolt]

I see the speed and the fact Rob talks to us...I may up my patreon... lol

[oblique remnant]

The TLC implementation will hit like waterfalls

[frail jolt]

It will be the red light special

[worn delta]

I have checked on the core and I don't get the auto-detect failed message loading this from file in the HTGDB everdrive pack. I think you must be on an old version of the .txt file. Easiest think to do is download the latest version of Vampier's script and run that, which will update to the latest text file each time it is run

[drowsy lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

Imagining Robert like…

[native mesa]

Haha yeah

[frail jolt]

He sees the world in lines of fpga code....

"Morning fellow coworkers" Robert says as he enters the office

[drowsy lantern]

Yeah I got the HTGDB rom and now it works. However there’s no save type specified in the database file next to it, so it doesn’t save. Is it missing?

[worn delta]

I am afraid I don't know, but it does raise a wider question based off some other comments about needing to set eeprom saving in the menu for some games to save. Do we need to get the entries updated in the .txt with correct saving options?

[mortal panther]

It probably couldn't hurt to double-check it.

[worn delta]

So does anyone know what needs to be set for Sin and Punishment to save?

[drowsy lantern]

I mean the original Japanese rom has its save type specified, but the other versions don’t:

171459f1b0e0654b6e00e32b29055f1d ntsc|cic6102|eeprom512|rpak # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha
90185d481bcab776add87b0300348a7c ntsc|cic6102|rpak # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha
357102a9d0e74060692510d66ddda3d1 ntsc|cic6102 # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha (Ch) (iQue)
9c41f0eb1babd3c7db018d7c0c899828 ntsc|cic6102|rpak # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha (Fandub)

Seems like the others should have EEPROM 512 set as well

[worn delta]

Right, so presumably for the translated versions and hacks etc. they should match the original rom

[mortal panther]

It would be nice if the N64-database.txt file was in the GitHub repo so people could more easily contribute and track additions/changes.

[worn delta]

Yeah, I anticipate it will do at some point but would be good to get it in there

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-kid-when-will-you-learn-bag-eyeglasses-kid-gif-15571057

That nothing is never enough for some of youse!

[orchid nimbus]

feel free to set one up

and have fun maintaining it

you'll be taking up a task that will last years

you will encounter crap hacks/crap translations and just incorrectly patched roms

roms that have been misdumped

[worn delta]

It will wind up in GitHub eventually and someone will need to maintain it

[mortal panther]

The point of having it on GitHub is that it becomes collaborative. No one person needs to be responsible for everything in it.

[orchid nimbus]

I've been maintaining the openMSX ROMDB for 20 years

7000+ entries

[wanton sun]

just be aware that i need to keep it out of the official repo for legal reasons

[orchid nimbus]

I don't think it's illegal - but you don't want to get on the radar more than you need to

it's are just random values to be honest

[wanton sun]

that's what i mean. Also i'm sure it will contain beta leaks and stuff in the future

[orchid nimbus]

but I agree - keep the DB outside the core repo

[mortal panther]

Good to know your thoughts on it. Thanks.

[orchid nimbus]

@mortal panther https://romdb.vampier.net/index.php?show=643 here is the fun ....

[wanton sun]

e.g. Ares only has game codes in it like the GBA core for example has, that is fine. But also less useful

[mortal panther]

Yeah... no thanks @orchid nimbus 😉

But... that's your site. You chose to take on that task... alone. 😏

[orchid nimbus]

I actually gave trusted people access

[mortal panther]

Impressive though. Well done!

[worn delta]

In the interim, when edits need made to the .txt (like adding in the save info for translation patched games to match the original rom) we should have some process for flagging these at least, and ideally be able to update. Even if that is google doc

Any thoughts @bronze tree ?

[hollow rune]

Do you think Sakurai has a MiSTer?

[orchid nimbus]

@worn delta FYI - we have a group of 4 people in a separate DM discussing ideas

[worn delta]

Cool, let us know what you guys come up with

[orchid nimbus]

there is already a python script

the one that was used to scan all the roms

[worn delta]

That presumably won't sort the issue of getting correct save settings on patched roms

Someone could go and manually update their own .txt file with the correct entries and mail it to someone to update in the master sheet, but that's obviously not a great workflow and no version control

[mortal panther]

Exactly

[worn delta]

Ultimately it will need to wind up in GitHub at some point so when the core is released it can be downloaded as part of the update scripts, whether that is in Main or not isn't my call, but it is almost certainly going to need to live in someone's GitHub if this is going to function like the similar .txt file for Neo Geo

[mortal panther]

Yes. That's why I asked about it.

[weary perch]

if we could have a separate "personal" db that'd be pretty nice - i can make changes to the existing one but i need to keep it separate and re-merge it or the update script wipes it out each time

[mild ether]

What is the Neo Geo txt about?

[cerulean elk]

Yes this is one of those “not illegal whatsoever, but are you gonna win against the legal might of X company” situations

At least not in the US. I am not versed outside of here unless it’s for music / film rights

[mortal panther]

It's not like the Neo Geo romsets.xml file in the official repo is particularly shy about where the information about those ROMs is sourced... all but giving a URL to a direct download for the ROMs themselves.

[mortal panther]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/romsets.xml

[worn delta]

The legal stuff is sidetracking from the actual question. If updates need to be made to the .txt then how do we get these updates made?

[paper orchid]

If we're fixed on using MD5 and not e.g. game code like some other emulators are using, maybe do a best of both worlds?

[orchid nimbus]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openMSX/openMSX/master/share/softwaredb.xml

[paper orchid]

Have one "fixed" file contain a list of known game codes and what capabilities are required. Then, have the database file and a script to build it.

The script would check your available ROMs and see if they're in the database. If they already are then no worries, skip it. Otherwise, build an entry by checking the game code in the ROM and using some "known defaults"

That would give people a baseline to adjust/update their database file

[mortal panther]

There is no difference in referencing a ROM by either its name or checksum. The Neo Geo romsets.xml references the game names and the names of the individual bin files in the archives. Almost every arcade MRA references the checksum for individual bins. None of that is protected IP.
There is nothing illegal about DAT files maintained by all of the usual suspects that contain all of that information.

[mild ether]

Is the cartridge id unique to each game version?

At 0x3c

[paper orchid]

My understanding is 0x3C is unique per game; version is separate at 0x3F

[mild ether]

If it is that seems like a better way to identify the games since it would eliminate additional entries for hacks.

[paper orchid]

Looking at code in other emulators, 0x3F gets some double-usage for homebrew, which uses cartridge ID ED (EverDrive)

[orchid nimbus]

I could make a python script that you could run that would check for a custom-database.txt file and then adds those values to the N64-database

[paper orchid]

Part of the issue I can see is people asking the same question of

"how can I add an entry?"

There will always be someone less technical around lol

[orchid nimbus]

I can make a webpage where people can put in their md5 and pick options

[paper orchid]

Right, but that then puts a dependency on that specific webpage always being up, etc.

[orchid nimbus]

the reason why I wrote this

[paper orchid]

Right, and I get that too, but it's also not exactly called out specifically somewhere that states "pull an MD5sum of the first X bytes of the ROM and use that to build a new entry"

[mild ether]

MD5 just seems like a nightmare since it's open to endless amounts mods and hacks etc.

[orchid nimbus]

@paper orchid you can use the full md5

the reason why the first 4096bytes are used because chances are that a romhack/translation doesn't touch the first 4Kb

[paper orchid]

Alright, so let's say the full MD5. It's going to need to be stated somewhere for people to know what they need to build an entry

[worn delta]

So to go back to the original point. We have a master .txt file we all use. This will eventually wind up in GitHub and be downloaded by the update script. Today, if we know things are missing/wrong in the .txt file what is the process for getting them fixed?

[paper orchid]

Which, the core's still WIP, so that might be included as part of the README, but it's still one of those things where there might be an easier approach that reduces maintainability

[mortal panther]

At some point, we'll find the proper arrangement of words in that question that keeps getting asked. 😏

Oooh... Robert's playing hooky from work! 🤣

[worn delta]

I am close to getting chat GPT to write me ten different variants of that one question so I can post a different one each time

[orchid nimbus]

new build!!

[paper orchid]

he did play hooky

[orchid nimbus]

update_N64 can be used now

[wanton sun]

only important change in new build should be the new audio fetching. Until now, samples could be delayed for some time if e.g. DMA was occupying the RDRAM. Now 1 sample is buffered, just like the hardware must do it

everything else is mostly to clean things up and make debugging easier

[mortal panther]

Very nice. Thanks!

[paper orchid]

That's not gonna stop me from checking S&P again lol

[worn delta]

Many thanks Robert, as always. Any games we should noticed a change in?

[paper orchid]

Which I'm going to in a bit because I need to play a bit of hooky from work right now 🤣

[lament escarp]

Could this fix the crackling noises some games experience?

[wanton sun]

no, this will not fix the audio pops in e.g. Mario64, this is a RSP bug

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun 'add more error flags for memory and RSP monitoring' - your page is not updated yet but once you do let me know what the new bit(s) will be

[wanton sun]

done

(forgot to check it in)

[rocky spindle]

Nah, honestly… some PS2 (GT4, MGS3) and GameCube/Wii (Metroid Prime/SM Galaxy 1&2) look almost current gen on a PVM. Plus that damn motion resolution… I swear GT4 and the Prime games look and feel like they’re 3X their actual frame rates.

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun 🙂 thanks

[wanton sun]

thank you as well 🙂

[stoic parcel]

I have come here to compliment Robert on his rapid core progress

[mortal panther]

Team work makes the dream work. 😉

[stoic parcel]

Like, how does he do it.

[silent marten]

Thank you for new build Robert 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

updated 🙂

thanks @wanton sun 🙂 always fun to see a new core build

[past mango]

@orchid nimbus Haven't had a chance because of work, but noticed I was getting auto-detect failed messages despite the script putting the database in place. Remembered I am using NAS for game storage so it needed to land in the cifs directory. May be a good note in your FAQ. Later I will try a symlink there to the database file in /media/fat/games/N64.

[mild ether]

I kinda like the time traveler Robert theory. 😂

[orchid nimbus]

@past mango I use CIFS too

[mild ether]

Yes, thank you for the update.

[orchid nimbus]

and it works fine here

[past mango]

Hmm, I will try to get more details later, I suspect our mount paths may be different or something

[little burrow]

I noticed in the compatibility docsheet still shows Revil 2 as "Boot/ non playable"
It's actually pretty playable if you put Data cache on 15. It'll slowdown in the beginning, but at the station it seems to work full speed most of the time.

[daring meteor]

I think the fighting games are working now

[viscid nebula]

Robert: probably no new builds until the weekend, busy week
Also Robert less than 24 hours later: here's a new build!

I think time moves differently for him

christmas in july

a weekend over in 24 hours

[quick arch]

crontollertest doesn't required savestates anymore

[viscid nebula]

xD

[orchid nimbus]

since last release - but only 1 version works

[quick arch]

ok I didn't test is with the last version !

[daring meteor]

Nah I confused them for something else

[dense wagon]

omg another update? the man, the legend.

[marble cargo]

Yup, not noticing much different with the new build. Not complaining, just double checking.

[fair stump]

Do people have specific audio issues they've been running into?

[odd vector]

Well there are definitely audio skips

Goemon has sound issues on the intro

[wicked granite]

GT 64 (US) exhibts some strange behaviour on the latest core (maybe also on previous cores). Its extremly slow only 7FPS..... even if some parallel render modes are missing, this looks like a different sort of bug?! Can anybody replicate?

[pine apex]

yes, it's working in that way since fisrt time was booting

[split lynx]

finally a racing game with that works well for my reaction time

[daring meteor]

I found a regression

Puyo seems to hang unless you press start twice quickly

[topaz otter]

in 2064 lodgenet went live and declared war on the human race

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-16625083

[mild ether]

@wanton sun You fixed the hard lock on OOT with this update.

[native mesa]

Was it audio related then?

[viscid nebula]

time travel sure comes in handy

[mild ether]

Tried to reproduce 5x times and got nothing.

[mild ether]

I guess? When you got a final blow on the redead in Market it would hard freeze the game.

[native mesa]

I wonder if other random crashes like the ones in Mario 64 are audio related then

[daring meteor]

Weird, I did get the hard lock

Wait

Or are there other hard locks?

[mild ether]

With the new core?

[daring meteor]

What hard lock you mean

[mild ether]

In Market?

Killing redead.

[daring meteor]

Ah I thought you meant the one for the non GC version

[dense wagon]

HARD Lock in oot... god dammit Malon... distasteful jokes aside, where is this said hard lock

[mild ether]

Nope just the Master Quest GameCube

[viscid nebula]

how far are we from TCL work?

[wanton sun]

i tried more often in the previous builds and never got it 🙂 I doubt the build fixes it, but maybe?

[mild ether]

I don't know. Just been testing it and I could consistently get to freeze 85% of the time or so and so far nothing.

[ripe sentinel]

yoo. since its relativly quiet just wanted to say that I got the core up and running over the weekend... hearing and seeing the MarioKart intro as the logo whirl around for the first time in decades was pure joy. Brought back all the good mems. Really something special you are doing. Thanks

[fair walrus]

oh a new build 😍 (where i live a still have a few days before the end of the week, guess the time goes faster in Germany, it could explain why Robert is so fast )

[mild ether]

Nvm, I got a freeze on the 12th try. Must have gotten a very lucky run compared to the rest of my attempts on the previous core.

[dense wagon]

what causes the freeze (forgive my ignorance) mostly so i can try and get around it/test also

[mild ether]

Killing redead in Market after leaving the temple of time in OOT Master Quest GameCube.

That version is really stable otherwise.

[dense wagon]

Ah cool, just the market? doing them in the graveyard produce it too?

nice - i mean thats 3 bosses worth of gameplay, pretty solid

[mild ether]

Haven't tested there.

[jade bay]

Lol

Analog output still doesn't work for me btw

[terse canyon]

@wanton sun dont know if you tried xeno crisis, just wandering if you know whats up with the audio in that game ?

[mild ether]

I made a patch so you can use the save file used for the intro scene and it starts you off in the temple of time with all items hearts etc.

[dense wagon]

ah lol k ill have a little play over lunch i think

[undone oak]

I wonder what causes mrc to display like this? I haven’t seen it in any other games yet

It’s that way on digital output too.

[wanton sun]

works fine here via hdmi and it's using standard resolution

[tropic sand]

Just tried beetle racing on the current build... the sound and playability seems different than the last build. Bit stuttery?

Can someone else check this. I'll try later just to double check after work

[mild ether]

Error for the freeze is E180140

[wanton sun]

so likely the same RSP bug as mario64

[mild ether]

Write outside rdram?

[quick arch]

the test rom "testcart_runtime_v2.n64" have test cases for RSP and during the test we have 6 or 7 errors

[wanton sun]

i don't know the root cause yet. in mario64 that program counter goes wild doing all kind of silly stuff. Writing outside of ram is one ot it

[languid dune]

Another build today!? What happened to taking a break for work!? 😅

[wanton sun]

i don't work on wednesdays

[languid dune]

Well there you have it. 👍

[terse canyon]

its a shame he doesnt work for space X , we would be on mars already

[orchid nimbus]

badumtsssss

[languid dune]

Must...test...new build! 🤩

[orchid nimbus]

#mister-hardware for all your MARS comments

😛 hehehe

[compact depot]

Mars is Fartware 💨

[barren scroll]

I installed the new core because I saw some games were running now. Pilotwings 64 is giving me an Eeprom Check Failed error when loading. Is there something in the core menu I forgot to set?

[mortal panther]

"Get your ass to mister-hardware!"

[undone oak]

I’ll try a different rom and see what happens! Thanks

[wanton sun]

yes, you probably don't have unstable mister main or database

[barren scroll]

Ah, I forgot to update my unstable. Thanks

[orchid nimbus]

@barren scroll https://vampier.net/N64/ just in case

[barren scroll]

Thanks

[undone oak]

@wanton sun still same issue with MRC. weird - did you go into actual gameplay? intro/loading screens etc all look fine.

[barren scroll]

That got it. Now we gaming in 64 bits 😎

[hasty kayak]

Is there going to be a way of adjusting the Sensitivity of the Analog Joystick at all?

I kept the Original Joystick in my 8BitDo Bluetooth Mod Kit hoping that would make it as per the original but its WAY OFF the Controller test ideal pattern which means its more sensitive than it originally would have been before modding it!!

[wanton sun]

tried both PAL and NTSC until ingame:

[hasty kayak]

In fact even my Dual Shock 4 does similar where its way off of the Controller tester ideal OEM overlay.

[undone oak]

nice haha. must be something odd in my settings somewhere. i've completed it and unlocked the two extra cars and mirror tracks. and it locks to 30fps from what i can tell so its working really well!! 😄

[hasty kayak]

Would be good if we could dial in the X and Y values to make it work for our respective controllers.

[wanton sun]

yes, also played that far. Not that it would be the greatest game, but i got it 20 years ago so i wanted to see it again 🙂

[wanton sun]

there is a testbuild of mister main that adjustes the ranges

[hasty kayak]

Ahh brilliant 🙂

I will try and track that down, thanks @wanton sun

[wanton sun]

it's in pins under controller, the first link

[versed cairn]

#1096015979055697940 message

[undone oak]

Same! I remember buying it the week it came out. hyped as the first big "realistic" n64 racer from what i remember

[wanton sun]

for me it was not so glamorous, i got it as secret game ordered from a catalog at very low price 😅

it was a funny thing back then when you would order a random game for about 15€ and you cannot return it. I got turok2 , mrc and shadowman from it i think, cannot remember

[undone oak]

you could do worse i guess haha

anyone tried the aki wrestling games work crt ? they run at a higher res so don't sync on mine. not complaining, just wondering 🙂

[hasty kayak]

That is WAYYYY better 🙂

Doesn't feel super twitchy in MK 64 now

[versed cairn]

it's such a game changer. some games don't even work with the wrong analog range. Earthworm jim 3d you just stop moving if you push the stick too far.

hope it's committed to unstable mister soon

[fair stump]

Same with nfl quarterback club 98

[visual forge]

Damn, dudes, Majora's Mask works! But it's kinda strange...

[weary palm]

Looks fine to me? 🤷

[visual forge]

It's not Ocarina of Time, you know

[silent marten]

This requires Flash saves to be implemented or it just does this

[weary palm]

Yes, it's flash

[visual forge]

Weird and funny!

[stone pilot]

time to play the Song of 28x Time

[visual forge]

CRT output works great now, no issues whatsoever!

[silent marten]

48 you mean, 24 per page and 2 full pages of ocarina:)

[barren scroll]

Ocarina and Ocarina and Ocarina of Time

[vapid moat]

Majora boots now? Does regular OOT?

[sacred valley]

Ocarina Collector Simulator 23

[visual forge]

The 0911 build made a high pitched noise come out of the TV at certain occasions, but that seems to be gone now

Sounded like a failing flyback, I thought my TV was toast. Turns out it was the core

[versed cairn]

only gamecube version

[vapid moat]

Whelp -

[visual forge]

Is there a rom hack of that which restores the button prompts? 😛

[versed cairn]

it's all the same other then the A and B button colors

yeah I think there is

[visual forge]

Has anybody managed to get the Mario 64 reduced lag rom hack to work? https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4905/

[orchid nimbus]

@visual forge works great

[weary palm]

Yes, works fine for me.

[woeful grove]

@bronze tree @orchid nimbus @manic basin @weary palm In an effort to prepare things for the future with downloader and etc, the rom database for n64 is getting moved to https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database Markun and Vampier are maintainers for now, but anyone can contribute as needed as long as it in accordance with the contribution guidelines. Robert is admin of the repo.

[weary palm]

Cool

[safe robin]

I don't have no CRT but they work with hdmi

[woeful grove]

if anyone else needs direct access for commits who is a maintainer you can let me know, i'm assisting robert here

[visual forge]

How? I patched it and it works in an emulator but only gives a black screen on the Mister

Without patch the rom works

[orchid nimbus]

@visual forge - did you forget something? 😉

[visual forge]

Face patch?

[orchid nimbus]

@visual forge see DM

it has the instructions

[visual forge]

Got it running thanks to Vampier. Cool thing to try!

But I thought it would be 60 fps 🙂

Or more like, hoped

At least it isn't 17 like OOT/MM PAL version 😄

[orchid nimbus]

try to swim underwater

30fps

[visual mortar]

Hey guys, i try this release on my crt, and it alway out of synchro...i try it on.another crt, and no problem...core is synchro...problem seems to be my crt 😦 i dont understand
....it only this core with this problem

[daring meteor]

Its strange
But video output is not final. You can maybe mess with VGA scaler to get the right resolution

[candid copper]

crt is currently "not supported"

[visual mortar]

If i use vga scaler ratio is bad

[fair stump]

Interesting stuff with the shadows, gonna keep an eye on that in future builds

[visual mortar]

Oh i find another core with this problem.

[daring meteor]

Other resolution with VGA scaler

Which core?

[visual mortar]

Dodonpachi

[daring meteor]

Ah ddp

[visual mortar]

In fact , all cave game

[daring meteor]

Isn't that game 57hz?

[visual mortar]

Yes

[daring meteor]

Your CRT might be really picky about refresh rates

[visual mortar]

Any hardware solution for fix it? Its a Sony trinitron 4:3 modele

N64 insnt 50 or 60hz?

[daring meteor]

The core is

59.9370900303hz

Did you try my build?

I forgot

It is 60.0880650682hz

[visual mortar]

Can u share it again??

[daring meteor]

I DM it, because its old

[visual mortar]

No problem

[daring meteor]

Sent

[worn delta]

A solution came round quickly, so you can now submit PR to add in the correct save data for the patches ROMs (or submit an issue if you don't know how to do that)

[mortal panther]

Was really surprised and happy to see that happen so quickly. Hopefully that will benefit everyone and make things much easier going forward.

[visual mortar]

@daring meteor thank u m'y friend

[worn delta]

Yeah, should make things much easier to keep up to date and being grabbed by the official download script is ideal

[daring meteor]

Tell what does it do

[visual mortar]

No problem

[fair stump]

THPS completed

[visual forge]

Are you using the european or american PIF?

[visual mortar]

Both

@daring meteor i have not received...

[visual forge]

Is the core menu working for you?

Are you using analog board out or direct video?

[visual mortar]

No core menu have bigger out of sync

Its analogue board

[visual forge]

What happens if you load a rom, do you get sync then?

[visual mortar]

Near

[visual forge]

I used to have some issues with the core menu but that has been solved in later releases

The 0913 build works really well on my crt, I've had tons of issues before but they are all gone now

[visual forge]

Did you run the N64 updater script?

[daring meteor]

Hmmmmmm

[visual mortar]

Yes

[cerulean elk]

I can’t get away from N64

[visual mortar]

I Will change my crt lol

[daring meteor]

You can wait a few months

Core is not accurate right now

[visual forge]

I would recommend getting a direct video dongle, it tends to work a bit better than the analog board

[fair stump]

Pretty much all the shout outs in the credits are this and it's depressing

[visual mortar]

Yes of course! Thank you for your help

[visual forge]

I just got another direct video dongle with audio out! It works really well

[visual mortar]

Thanks à lot to you, i Will buy this

[chilly ember]

Did you buy Brian 64? It's only 22 bucks

[fair stump]

people are paying that much per game? Yeesh

[cerulean elk]

Haha someone is. Not me

[visual forge]

Is that Quest ϭц? It's worth a lot more than that, considering the good time you'll have playing it

[cerulean elk]

Haha yep. $22. $22 too much 🤣

[visual forge]

I would pay 56 dollars, not more, not less

[fair stump]

Those prices feel offensive

[cerulean elk]

Store is always insanity pricing

$140 for a copy of Megaman X4 Japanese with a missing manual for Saturn

[chilly ember]

I'm getting a copy of action 52 for genesis locally later today for 10 bucks, that's the most I would spend on it lol

[fleet glacier]

Just a suggestion, but maybe you should check out how the Everdrive64 is detecting rom save types from database but identifying the game by the internal ROM ID. This should probably work better than the hash method you have now as all game versions should detect the proper save type even if it is patched or big or little endian.

[cerulean elk]

I like stopping into that store when I’m in this hood and laughing at the prices

[mortal panther]

"Nobody puts Baby in the corner."

[lament escarp]

Good thing we don't have these kind of stores here. I'd probably buy way too much stuff.

My name is pink now. I'm so happy.

[cerulean elk]

Haha my wife is shopping for pants next door so I figured why not

But I left with nothing as usual

Heheh @brisk drum

[brisk drum]

It’s da truf!

[versed cairn]

close to a full set? thats gotta be atleast 2/3 of the whole library. very nice

[unkempt elm]

Surprised to boot up DK64. Looks fantastic, there was a bit of audio going out of sync in the DK rap that's been mentioned. Just watching the intro now. Incredible how this core keeps improving.

[thorny marten]

Ill be glad when all the AA and stuff is fully implements to get rid of all those jaggies..

[versed cairn]

I want the dither more then anything. the color banding is super gross in darker games

anything Robbert adds is exciting though

[thorny marten]

It will be nice to have options for it so people that dont like it dont have to use it

[versed cairn]

for sure. idealy we would have the 32bit color option the psx core got but there probably wont be enough space

[thorny marten]

It's amazing we are getting this at all. This time last year everyone thought it was impossible

[hexed knot]

This time last *month even, haha.

[vapid moat]

I still look back to the time when there was just one guy attempting an N64 FPGA:

https://www.ultrafp64.com/

[versed cairn]

this core really is a miracle

it's so exciting watching Robert push the de-10 to the limits

[thorny marten]

Mister is gonna be a monster retrogaming machine when both n64 and saturn both fully mature.

Already is

[versed cairn]

saturn is getting real good. that last patch made it feel a lot more stable. Nights is pretty great now

[cerulean elk]

They always have a massive selection. Just stupid prices

[thorny marten]

If we can just get someone on the 3do..lol

[cerulean elk]

Occasionally they screw up and you can find something on the cheap. Everyone’s gonna hate me but I got a “not for resale” DK64 cart there like seven years ago for reg pricing @versed cairn

[vapid moat]

What were all the possible omissions/reworks to make this core run on DE-10 Nano again? Somewhat unclear still to me

[stuck summit]

Considering just buying a second de-10 for future proofing but I'm not sure if that's silly lol

I'd bet the de-10 nano is pretty durable

[thorny marten]

I have actually been thinking about getting a backup

[stuck summit]

Yeah. It's my most prized device. It "died" last month and I panicked but thankfully it was just the power supply. Bought a higher quality one afterwards

[thorny marten]

Im using the ironclad with mine in a mini itx case. It has all kinds of safety features over volt under volt surge hopefully it keeps it going

[vapid moat]

How does De-10 Nano wear down over time?

Also having seen the whole "MARS"-project lately, wondering if in the future I'd consider moving into that incase it supports most of MiSTer's cores right off the gate and then some

[mortal panther]

I'd have to see evidence of the "and then some" first, of course. Until then, there's not much the DE10-Nano can't do that I'd want it to do. It's already far more capable than I ever thought it would be 5-6 years ago.

[thorny marten]

Whats being worked on and whats finished and available on the de10 mostly covers what Im interested in.

[mortal panther]

One of the main draws to MiSTer for me (and many others, I imagine) was the relatively low cost of entry, considering everything you get out of it. Some of these other solutions on the horizon (whether they see the light of day or not) are quickly becoming not the case.

[worn delta]

Let's take the MARS talk to off topic or fpga-platforms please, not relevant here

[vapid moat]

Wholeheartedly agreeing here, just getting it to cover most of 80s to 90s' consoles and computers makes it more than phenomenal retrogaming platform - especially with N64 and Saturn joining in future. Those were on my radar for quite a while considering both had rather rocky development history with software emulation

[daring meteor]

Mars goes in #fpga-platforms
Saturn goes in #1046941029296779344

Where does Uranus go?

[marble cargo]

On the toilet.

[vapid moat]

To the lost console creepypasta wikis

[versed cairn]

it's yet to be seen but space is tight. I guess the big thing is how TLB support will go. it's required by some of the biggest games but Robbert thinks it will slow down the cpu a lot

[mortal panther]

TLC?

[daring meteor]

TLB

TLC is Flash

Well not the Flash that's relevant

[versed cairn]

corrected. never happened

[vapid moat]

Includes Turok 2

[versed cairn]

paper mario, Conker, GOLDEN EYE

I'm happy with whatever we get but it will be cool watching Robert try to tackle it

the Verilog wizard at work

[daring meteor]

Technically almost every nonbooting game has it, but a lot use it trivially

If our patch wizards could try and test Mario Tennis, that one supposedly uses it trivially

[versed cairn]

that was one thing Robert said. that if it comes to it a few games can just get a part of the TLB they use to work

I think things like the mario face use 1 look up out of the 32

I might be wrong, I just read stuff here

[dusty tusk]

Any new games working today? Mario Golf gets to logos

[versed cairn]

aparently no more redead crashes in oot. other then that not much has been reported

[inner bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvlCsxSRBYU

Fresh

[viscid nebula]

o.o

[orchid nimbus]

Oh he’s back 🙂

[native mesa]

Maybe it's just me but I can't stand that guy

[inner bronze]

Its just you

[paper orchid]

I thought Mars went in the 32X channel 🤣

[weak sierra]

I remember the legendary “Put the bob in a bottle”

[manic basin]

I've updated my file hasher ... however, I only recommend using it if you have a really odd set of roms that throw a lot of 'not found' with the official .txt file. It can take a single file or you can drop a directory and enumerate all roms within it. It automates everything, which comes with pros and cons.
Pro: You're not reading the file yourself, likely, so it's an easy method to get an exact match for your romset. It automatically pulls name and other info from the rom and uses a mapper against retail N64 game codes to determine capabilities/saves. For homebrew, it will read the Advanced Homebrew Rom Header if present and populate values from that.
Cons: Why do this when the existing list is well curated? There's really no reason. Rom names are UTF8 from back in the wayback, so they were often truncated and make little sense. Many homebrews have the name missing altogether.

Conclusion: Don't use this.

But if you NEED it, feel free. Most common use is going to be single file hashing for new/updated patches. I just wanted to do this as an exercise and had a good time doing it.

[paper orchid]

And here I was thinking I was gonna need to write one...now I don't have to mess with UI toolkits lol

[manic basin]

Again, I highly recommend using the official db.

But if you know what you're doing...go nuts.

[paper orchid]

Right, but assuming my ROM hack isn't in the official DB (and the first X bytes are modified), something like this would be useful

[weary beacon]

would have useful 2 days ago. I ended up just SSH'n into my mister typing "md5sum filename". This should be great for others though. wave race and super mario 64 versions I have are still not in the DB.

[paper orchid]

My plan was to compare against the existing sums in the text file and use that to determine if a ROM either already exists, or doesn't and needs an entry

Still, it's always a good day when I don't have to write anything, so I appreciate this

[native mesa]

You have The Exchange there?

[safe robin]

It's already out

[cerulean elk]

Yep. Like three

[safe robin]

Something about sound buffer but it's not noticeable Robert said

[quaint rune]

See fo yo self #test-builds message

[hollow rune]

is Vampier's site down?

[vagrant ivy]

no

https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/vampier.net?proto=https

[hollow rune]

hmm, then something is wrong with me

[vagrant ivy]

what does that webpage say for you

for me it say#s its up

[hollow rune]

oh, for some reason I couldn't get there with my VPN

It never responds to my request

but now it works off the vpn

[mortal panther]

Again?

[inner bronze]

scroll up 🤣

[vagrant ivy]

and again

Ground hog day

[mortal panther]

Too early for flapjacks?

[orchid nimbus]

your end 😄

[viscid nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/pineapple-express-flapjacks-gif-20409766

[hollow rune]

Yeah, our VPN hates your site I guess

Btw, Deadly Arts no longer has any HUD issues

It is from what I can see perfect

[dusty tusk]

Rate limited links?
htt ps://web.archive.org/web/20230913201609/https://vampier.net/N64/

Anyway its on way back machine

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune nothing I can do about that - DNS works for ipv4 and ipv6

[orchid nimbus]

I don't rate limit

[dusty tusk]

Nah, this discord apparently does

[native mesa]

Maybe it's just me but I can't stand that guy

[dusty tusk]

This is what shows up when I post the archive link

Oh... It's probably to prevent rom urls

[hollow rune]

Oh I wasn't expecting you to. You are awesome enough. I can just switch it off. I'm not smuggling pirated Disney movies 0r anything

[weary palm]

Sorry.

[woeful grove]

correct, but.. what a dumb message it gives

I wish I could change that

archive links are blocked to avoid rom linking, which is what they are most of the time

[hollow rune]

Chameleon Twist got both better and a little worse

There is a weird flicker now

[mystic current]

hey all! i followed https://vampier.net/N64/ and when trying to load "Wipeout 64.z64" i get blank screen (i do not see "auto-detect failed")

[hollow rune]

Sprites don't have weirdness on the outside though

[mystic current]

i have a feeling it might be bc i am not on latest unstable -- i did run update_N64 and it displays v230816

[zealous hull]

do you have a valid pif file?

as in--did you check the hash?

[brittle onyx]

Hey guys! You're all cool, but I really don't understand why Super Mario 64 has been working for everyone for a long time (someone has probably already passed the whole game), and I still have the game stuck right after the logo and greeting from Super Mario?!

[eternal island]

check pins

there is a patch

[quick arch]

you need to patch the rom no face

[eternal island]

there is actually a better working one than the noface now

it does also remove the face

no idea what else it does though..

[mystic current]

b7a0070cbe4b9bcaa08ec0b76b8c4955b2ae535a  pif.ntsc.rom

[eternal island]

makes the game more stable somehow

[mystic current]

it matches the SHA1 listed on the webpage

[manic basin]

It's the recompile. Rock solid 30fps framerate among other stability gains from better understanding of the hardware.

[eternal island]

oh, thats why it feels much better and crashes less

[orchid nimbus]

I don't check my logs normally - so your IP is secret with me

[brittle onyx]

Okay, thanks. I just see that the Video Game Esoterica has been sporting a face for a long time. I even have a Portal, and the mustachioed one does not want to start in any way))

[mystic current]

i also made sure that ntsc -> boot and pal -> boot1

[dusty tusk]

Double check that your boot roms and database txt are where your games actually are as well. If you have them on usb, those files need to be there instead

[mystic current]

ah i have my games loaded from USB

[zealous hull]

great catch

[dusty tusk]

That threw me for a loop as many other cores are fine with those files being in the SD card

[zealous hull]

yeah, I'm still strictly SD. I need to get around to setting up my files on my home server

[vapid moat]

Been a year now with SD and still doing fine with it

[mystic current]

so boot roms and database txt go in the same file as the games on my USB correct?

[dusty tusk]

Same folder yes

[mystic current]

eg. /media/usb0/games/N64

[dusty tusk]

Yep

[zealous hull]

Yeah it's totally fine. I just already have a linux server that I run things from anyway, may as well use it and load it up with the stuff that doesn't fit on my SD

[hasty kayak]

Guessing the Core doesn't support CIFS yet?

[dusty tusk]

I like to bring my mister places, so I have to rely on local data

[vapid moat]

I use 128gb, mostly kept full sets to earlier consoles due having lower filesizes

[zealous hull]

Fair. I custom made my case (if you can call it that), so it's not super portable.

[dusty tusk]

I'm considering get a new case and setup once dual sdram cores become more prevalent

[brittle onyx]

And why after the latest firmware games began to say that "not designed for use on this system"? Previously, I had the same Dr. Mario quietly loaded, for example, but now it does not let me.😭 Is there any way to fix this in the menu?🤔

[dusty tusk]

Hell, I was rocking the initial 8gb SD card until recently. Update all officially no longer fits if you select everything

What boot rom are you using? Ntsc, pal, aleck64?

[mystic current]

ok so now i have

/media/usb0/games/N64# ls
 boot1.rom   N64-database.txt          'Wipeout 64 (Europe) (Beta).7z'    'Wipeout 64 (Europe).z64'  'Wipeout 64.z64'
 boot.rom   'Wipeout 64 (Europe).7z'  'Wipeout 64 (Europe) (Beta).z64'    'Wipeout 64 (USA).7z'

still gives a black screen

[zealous hull]

we call him awbacon 'round these parts

[dusty tusk]

Hmm, your games folder should be good now, so we can eliminate that. Try this unstable MiSTer. It's what I use.
#unstable-nightlies message

[zealous hull]

I'm sorry, that looks correct to me. Maybe grab the latest unstable?

[dusty tusk]

Download it, rename it to just "MiSTer", replace the old file in the usual location, and reboot

[zealous hull]

nothing major should have changed to my knowledge, do other games load fine?

I wonder if we shouldn't start calling it the "skip-intro" patch or something to prevent confusion.

[zinc dew]

I don’t think it’s an issue. Just earlier confusion with the face not working but we’ve been past that for a while.

[zealous hull]

Completely valid, yeah

[zinc dew]

And soon we won’t even need that patch. 🥳

[brittle onyx]

I use the standard boot ntsc, the roms of the region (U), as a result, some run, some output me this damn table! If I hadn't already launched these roms, I would have thought that something was wrong with the bios, but I launched them the day before yesterday, damn it!

[zealous hull]

hopefully 🙂

[zealous hull]

damn table? are you talking about the not designed for use on this system message?

[mystic current]

update_N64 gives me MiSTer_unstable_20230911_20d799 in /media/fat/Scripts

[zealous hull]

wait, are you saying it's putting that build in the /Scripts directory?

[mystic current]

yep

thats weird right

[zealous hull]

I don't use update scripts, but that sounds wrong lol

[desert crow]

try booting Wipeout 64 (USA).z64, if it's the first game you try to load it should default to cic 6102 I think. which is what that game wants, that's different depending on regions.

[mystic current]

i think i am not on the latest unstable

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, its weird. Just rename it and put in /media/fat

[zealous hull]

Rename that file to MiSTer and replace the current one

[zinc dew]

Checksum based

[mystic current]

i think Wipeout 64 matches the txt file no?

[brittle onyx]

Exactly

[zinc dew]

If your checksums aren’t matched you have a bad game set

[zealous hull]

Seems like a bios issue to me? What's the checksum of your pif?

[zinc dew]

If it’s not in that txt file then the core won’t know what settings to apply to it

Text file just tells core what settings to apply, you can do that manually

Text file just automates it

[hollow orbit]

When I worked at a video rental shop I had a customer insist that companies were lying and any cd game would work in any system and it was all a scheme to rip us off. They brought a bunch of games for systems they didn’t own back later that night with a dejected look.

We also had the elderly woman who fucking loved Conker on N64.

[zealous hull]

Incredible. These people vote.

[zinc dew]

People have different knowledge about different things

[zealous hull]

A nuanced take! How dare you.

[zinc dew]

haha

[hollow rune]

I know a lot about Pizza

[brittle onyx]

1,93 (2) kb in fact

[mystic current]

ok so this now shows v230911

[mystic current]

but it still gives black screen

[zealous hull]

unfortunately, that isn't the checksum. It's a long string of letters and numbers.

If you're wanting to play NTSC games, you'll want it to match this B7A0070CBE4B9BCAA08EC0B76B8C4955B2AE535A.
That is the SHA1 checksum, there are different types.

There are a lot of websites that can help you find this.

[brisk drum]

Still no luck on battletanx

[zinc dew]

The FAQ has a lot more info if you haven’t read it yet - https://vampier.net/N64

Just be aware they you cannot ask for copyrighted material on this discord.

[brisk drum]

Don’t ask for anything in General

[zealous hull]

I don't know the rules about hyperlinks here, but if you just google checksum checker and use the SHA1 algorithm on the site, that should help you verify if you've got what you need.

[mystic current]

v230911 is unstable that works for you?

[brisk drum]

Just be thankful for what you get

Body harvests still a slide show

[zealous hull]

I think I have a slightly older version, but the latest should work, yeah.

[mystic current]

hm v strange

[zealous hull]

Are you at least able to boot into the MiSTer home screen?

Like, you can select the core and stuff, yeah?

[mystic current]

yeah i can play PSX games etc

[zealous hull]

Gotcha.

[mystic current]

should i see any sort of load up screen for the n64 core?

it always remains black

[zealous hull]

No, it's just black

[brisk drum]

Madden 02 lol

[zealous hull]

@mystic current Sorry, I gotta run. Maybe somebody with a USB setup would be able to assist further? Wish I was more help!

[mystic current]

np!

thx for guidance

[brisk drum]

The field on madden 02 looks like a parking lot

[mystic current]

seems to be on latest with same issue, maybe longshot, but does N64-database.txt vs N64-Database.txt matter?

[weary beacon]

yes case sensitive

[desert crow]

try that, it shouldn't need unstable or database to be in place, and shouldn't need the cic set right.

[mystic current]

which is correct? upper D or lower d?

[zinc dew]

Does that not longer require the save state on today’s build?

[weary beacon]

N64-database.txt

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, I believe save states are no longer necessary

[mystic current]

ok this is what i have

[weary beacon]

https://vampier.net/N64/

[mystic current]

yeah i saw some ambiguity

Database: DataBase_20230906.txt    /games/N64/N64-Database.txt    Rename while saving - Filename is Case Sensitvive

versus

You can download the file DataBase_20230906.txt. Download with right-click and select "Save As" N64-database.txt (CAUTION - Case Senstive).

[desert crow]

right no savestate needed now for homwbrew since build before last

[weary beacon]

good point, it's lowercase d though like you have

[zinc dew]

Thank you, friend. I’ll update the pin. 🍻

[desert crow]

case sensitivity depends on how the device you're using is formatted

I converted that controller test to z64 from v64

[mystic current]

im starting to feel like this is a "loading from USB" issue

trying the controller test now ...

[weary beacon]

I really like Controller Kensa-ki NUS-yo N Cassette (Japan) (Test Program).z64

[desert crow]

like case probably won't matter if they put DB on sd card, but when it's on USB you can run into trouble. then it will depend on how it's formatted

[mystic current]

this also does not get past black screen

i think i'll just cp these files to the SD, remove the USB, and see if it can load that way

if so i guess there is some format or symlink issue

[desert crow]

hmm I thought it would. sorry

[mystic current]

current setup on SD is

/media/fat/games/N64# ls
 boot1.rom   boot.rom   controllertest.z64   N64-database.txt  'Wipeout 64.z64'

will try ejecting USB and see if load is succesfull this way

still no loading lol

[desert crow]

what's the # character there?

[elfin relic]

that's just the end of their prompt

[desert crow]

that's what i was thinking, just making sure

[mystic current]

yeah just dispaly

[orchid nimbus]

urgh... I thought I fixed that

thanks

fixed

sorry about that

1 out of 7 missed

[mystic current]

np! i see the change 🙂

do i need to remove the folder /media/fat/games/N64 if i am loading from /media/usb0/games/N64?

maybe it is clobbering and going between the two?

oh boy 😅

/media/usb0/games/N64# shasum boot.rom 
456538f43f02e56367c5a46e123eb70b907a2a5d  boot.rom

that doesnt look good

[covert bough]

saw VGE's video about smash remix but version I found wouldnt boot on latest, but regular smash bros seemed to work fine

[desert crow]

the trick with hacks is to load the original game that was patched, then load the hack so cic gets set right when hack isn't in the DB

[covert bough]

oh thats right

had a similar weird issue with an OoT hack called zelda's birthday, seemed to affect masterquest because it booted the same save file

[stone pilot]

Smash Remix should be in the newest DB as well