Nintendo 64

[hearty python]

I might to google if Nintendo ever be sued for the n64 controller and it’s ergonomic 😁

[paper orchid]

SUPER PAD

I love this controller

[zinc dew]

Please no harassing anyone

[inner bronze]

Y'all high on Robertaine and N64ium

[dense wagon]

think its an unpopular oppinion, but for what you were expected to do on the N64, the controller was pretty good. yeah some of the games might have been limited by the single stick, but still... yeah i always thought it was alright.

[fair stump]

One day I'm gonna have to actually order a controller just for this core. My 8bitdo snes controller just doesn't feel proper

[dense wagon]

Yeah i got a super cheap USB imitation from Amazon, the stick is a bit too sensitive but yeah it works

[quaint rune]

It got the job done seeeeeee

[paper orchid]

I got the wireless one Todd suggested and it's not too bad

[viscid nebula]

@zinc dew

@zinc dew

hi

is the psp core done yet

[zealous hull]

Answer the question, @zinc dew

[viscid nebula]

ROBBY HELLO?!

[zealous hull]

typical discord mod

[viscid nebula]

[nova grotto]

What is that patch called ?

[eternal island]

in pins

[knotty zealot]

did that come up at a roundtable before you decided to ship doom eternal?

[drowsy lantern]

I get an auto-detect failed when using the English Sin and Punishment rom. I guess it's not part of the N64-database file?

[knotty zealot]

robby's roundtable. "it's broken and bad - ship it."

[elder glade]

I keep getting E0007 no matter what I load. Database and boot.rom are present in games/N64

[native mesa]

Hmm N64 or starfield on my days off...

[drowsy lantern]

Do you have unstable main? You need it.

[elder glade]

Ah thanks

[split lynx]

both

[zenith orchid]

yeah it looks so much more comfortable and useful than the hori mini controller. I'm surprised that didn't get a tribute model

[paper orchid]

So the one thing about the Super Pad that takes the most to get used to, the analog stick

[quaint rune]

N64 at this point why play any 3D open world bethesda game, it’s all the same.

[native mesa]

I wish Smash Remix had Geno

[paper orchid]

The one I owned, from what I remember the direction for "Up" was a little unintuitive

[quaint rune]

Stop having bad opinions

[orchid nimbus]

oh look - the master is online!

[paper orchid]

Up was "up and slightly to the left", which looking at the controller is one of those "huh???" things, but it also felt comfortable

[fair stump]

You guys are gonna scare him away

[paper orchid]

I'd like a controller inspired by the Super Pad, but not the exact same model

[viral swift]

Jo Vampier, woher genau in Holland kommst du? 😁

[orchid nimbus]

Die Niederlande.... abber ich bin aus Anaheim

[little socket]

He deserted his country

[marble cargo]

One objective thing I hate about the Nintendo 64 controller is how prone the control stick was to failure. It would eventually get so loose it can't stay centered, causing the controls to drift.

[drowsy lantern]

I get an "auto-detect failed" error when using the English Sin and Punishment rom. I guess it's not part of the N64-database.txt file? Can it be added?

[zenith orchid]

Yeah that sounds a bit annoying

[orchid nimbus]

yes

[viral swift]

Ah okay

[marble cargo]

If a hack fails to boot, load the original game first, then load the hack.

[worn delta]

Are you using one that is part of a ROM set? Which one?

[viral swift]

Visiting the Netherlands in two weeks

[drowsy lantern]

The one on archive.org that pops up if you search in google.

[worn delta]

I.e no Intro or Everdrive pack?

Those are the two most supported in the .txt database

[primal bolt]

I highly suggest everdrive pack

[drowsy lantern]

No it's just a pack on archive.org that inludes two versions of the rom. One labeled "emulator friendly" and one not. I took the non-emulator friendly one.

[worn delta]

If you download the htgdb Everdrive pack then those ROMs runs, it has a nice folder structure, and anything not in the database yet will be soon. Not sure if this one is checked on the sheet if it is in the database

Yes it is

So get that one, is in database

[drowsy lantern]

It has this MD5: ca19a4b2bae3b4950ff967ee9e0857ae

[primal bolt]

HTGDB.... use it, love it, end it

I only wish it was updated more

[wanton sun]

ideally both ways, but it's still to early to say that. let's see if there is space left

[drowsy lantern]

oh I think my N64-database.txt file might be outdated. if I ctrl+f and search for sin and punishment, nothing comes up

[wanton sun]

and sorry guys, just came home from work, no time left today for any builds. The week will be very busy, maybe even nothing until the weekend

[dense wagon]

We are already not worthy 😄

[paper orchid]

n-no...no core? no core???

what are we going to do with no core?????

[native mesa]

I don't think you ever have to aplogize foe that

[native mesa]

play core

[paper orchid]

play??? we play these things?

I'm an arcade game collector, we don't play these things

[dense wagon]

lol i can imagine a dad moment "Hey you kids... quiet back there or im taking your n64 away"

[hexed knot]

Plenty of opportunities this week to convert some Playables into Completables.

[paper orchid]

We get them in our homes and we look at it and say "yeah, i should fix <that thing> or boot this up for 5 minutes" and then we don't

[remote hatch]

play games or spam the channel 🙂

[eternal island]

why not both

[paper orchid]

In all seriousness though yeah, I'm sure w'll be fine

[remote hatch]

I can't manage to do these two things at the same time

[drowsy lantern]

@orchid nimbus Sin & Punishment english does not seem to be part of the N64-database file?

171459f1b0e0654b6e00e32b29055f1d ntsc|cic6102|eeprom512|rpak # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha
90185d481bcab776add87b0300348a7c ntsc|cic6102|rpak # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha
357102a9d0e74060692510d66ddda3d1 ntsc|cic6102 # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha (Ch) (iQue)

[native mesa]

@wanton sun we were discussing long term solutions for the n64 database and cic thing. Are you familiar with the UltraCIC chip? It's what everdrive uses. Looks open source to me. https://github.com/ManCloud/UltraCIC-III You are likely already familiar with it but here it is

[orchid nimbus]

@bronze tree @weary palm

[drowsy lantern]

I mean the game runs but shows "autodetect failed" and so it cannot save by default since no save mechanism is specified.

[zinc dew]

Please don’t apologize. We are all in your debt and your recent builds spoil us. Take as long as you want!

[wanton sun]

i'm not sure what the usecase shall be, can you explain more?

[orchid nimbus]

I think to help get rid of the N64-database

but there are different solutions

[daring meteor]

I don't think the UltraCIC can function as different CICs

[native mesa]

Or even replace all the CIC with that in FPGA. idk im pretty lamen, but the everdrive doesn't require a database and it's FPGA so I just assumed it could work as an alternative on teh core

It's in assembly so idk what im looking at

[ebon oyster]

Lithium grease (the kind used for mechanical keyboard switches) works remarkably well for the plastic and rubber dome parts inside gamepads. Probably a better choice than silicone lubricant anyway.

[native mesa]

It looks to be well documented here

[wanton sun]

the database covers more than cic and implementing a lot of decryption logic doesn't seem like it would be very useful

everdrive needs to emulate the real cic because it cannot exchange the pif, but we can

[native mesa]

Makes sense, but longevity for rom hacks and stuff becomes an issue.

[wanton sun]

when our pif is asked to check with the CIC, it just returns: check passed 🙂

[native mesa]

Just thought I'd throw it out there. Knowledge is power!

[wanton sun]

also i'm not sure how that even saves the cic lookup. you still need to know which cic you want to replicate

everdrive cannot know either

[mellow path]

I think the one thing that might be a point of friction for people is running Randomizers on the core. I'm not sure why Randomizer roms might not align with the source rom on the database, but in general these randomizers work on Everdrive.

[native mesa]

Idk they go into it in the research paper. It's above my head

[random portal]

breakfast or more smash remix

[zinc dew]

They can run randomizers on software emulators

[mortal panther]

WhyNotDoBoth.gif

[mellow path]

Lots of people run randomizers on everdrive is all I'm saying

[zinc dew]

That’s a good point, thank you for bringing it up

[wanton sun]

maybe everdrive just looks up less of the rom header, not like our full header check

[zinc dew]

sorry, I’ll refrain from commenting or influencing discussion

[native mesa]

It seems more like it puts the PIF in a test mode than it does emulates a specific CIC chip

[wanton sun]

so if the hack only changes small parts it still works

[mortal panther]

That was a good comment, Robby. It was good of you to point out that it was a good point.

[wanton sun]

i'm pretty sure we could have a simpler but more unsafe look up. E.g. ares only looks for the game title

[paper orchid]

So I'm looking at the firmware update for the Everdrive, just some of the readmes here

[zinc dew]

I disagreed at first but the hell do I know. I just want whatever is best and easiest for Robert.

[paper orchid]

There's a save_db file that indicates some things here, in particular either ROM ID or CRC HI re used for game detection

[mortal panther]

I think leaving things as is provides greater flexibility for everyone in the long term, just like Neo Geo. Want to add custom ROMs and have the core auto-configure the settings? Add the appropriate entries in the DB and move on.

[paper orchid]

That feels like there's some kind of ROM ID DB as part of this somewhere

[random portal]

Sounds like a last resort option if we're able to go the full mile on your core.

[orchid nimbus]

FPGAZumSpass I noticed that when a game is not in the DB it picked the previous selected CIC.... could this be set to 6102 automatically as this is the most used CIC out there. (so make that the default)

[zealous hull]

A very smart idea, imo

[native mesa]

I think previous selected is ideal, so if you know a game that a hack came from you can load that first then the hack

[worn delta]

I can't help but feel for hacks, if something is good enough then it should be patched properly, verified to work, and added to the major packs e.g. HTGDB and No Intro, so everyone is using the same file and it can just be added to the .txt database. That would solve most issues for hacks.

[mortal panther]

Defaulting to the lowest common denominator is usually a good option.

[night silo]

Oh come on, just cause you're a mod doesn't mean you can't have/share opinions 🙂

[ebon oyster]

Because as we all know, that has uplifted all of modern society in so many ways 🤓

[orchid nimbus]

what if it's not a hack

[wanton sun]

main could reset to default if no entry is there, but i also think previous is better in this case

[worn delta]

Got an example Vampier?

[native mesa]

reset the core then

[orchid nimbus]

Cavestory demo

[wanton sun]

for most homebrew you would only need to set up savetype anyway, cic doesn't matter for them

[zealous hull]

My main concern--as said above--is randomizers, which have a different unique hash upon every generation.

[worn delta]

Cavestry demo: Then that should be added to packs and then added to .txt, or if a common standard file just add it to the .txt

[wanton sun]

we could do autodetect for savetype, but it will only work for homebrew that has no bugs

[worn delta]

I just assume in a year's time when new things pop up people raise an issue in Jira and it gets added to the .txt file which will auto update for everyone when the update script is run

[paper orchid]

Alright, at least for save detection type I see how the ED64 does it

[random portal]

The good thing is that the user can manually switch the CIC if the game isnt launching. Thats how I got Xeno Crisis to get to the character select screen before crashing.

[paper orchid]

S&P is...4K EEPROM I think?

At least according to krikkz, lemme check a few other games

[desert crow]

maybe everdrive patches games on the fly to bypass cic

The checksum trap can be bypassed by NOPing the following two bootcode instructions. Their location in ROM varies depending on CIC type.

BNE A3, T0, 0x800001C8
BNE S0, T0, 0x800001C8```

http://en64.shoutwiki.com/wiki/ROM from there

[ebon oyster]

Do N64 emulators contain a similar hard-coded big database file with this kind of info, or do they figure it out automatically somehow from the ROM contents? Would it be possible to write a standalone command line tool to generate the dB file from a folder full of ROM files? Making the whole thing reliant on the assumed continued existence of the update_all script and its backing servers isn't the wisest move. We should assume Nintendo comes along sometime in the future and shuts everything down -- when that happens, you still want users to be able to use the core and run games.

[daring meteor]

Project64 has a database

[paper orchid]

I think they all leverage some kind of DB that references part of the header

[desert crow]

would still have to figure out the entry point thing though, and the database has more than cic as mentioned

[worn delta]

If the official update script is gone then so would the MiSTer project, so not downloading the N64 .txt file would be the least of people's concerns. I don't think that is a realistic thing to worry about.

[wanton sun]

in theory the file could be baked into the core, but again, this costs ressources and we don't have endless. And yes, emulators use a database. If someone finds one that doesn't and is open source we can take a look

[mild ether]

That's interesting about the emulators. I can't say I fully understand how the CIC and they rom files play together and how it is relevant to the emulators and the core but when I mod roms Project 64 just warns me the CRC is bad and emulates away.

[heady mason]

Makes the most sense to have it outside the core I think, but it could be a nice feature for other cores as well I think

[primal bolt]

I would like to save as much resources as possible for some type of performance/turbo because this is the type of option that makes the core better than real hardware. And also obviously because performance is one of the most (if not the most) important things.

[fiery hamlet]

How do you handle the extra checks the 6105 does in game? These would be used mostly by Rare developed games, but the OoT fishing mini game also has a check.

[mortal panther]

Is this of any interest, @wanton sun ?
https://github.com/n64dev/cen64/blob/master/si/cic.c

[heady mason]

Pretty sure it makes the most sense to keep the file outside the core. No core space wasted on it, and it can be updated on its own if needed

[mild ether]

Like I don't understand why the CIC apparently checks the CRC but also the rom itself does another check just to be annoying.

[native mesa]

Portal 64 is very cool and is running well. Not sure if it normally has no sound yet

[stone pilot]

"does another check just to be annoying" is a good summary of anti-piracy measures

[hearty python]

I would to it in an other way. Why not only share a script that generate a database on the misters itself based on the individual game files?

[worn delta]

An an FYI for people, the Neo Geo core also has a .txt database file that is grabbed by the official update script. Recently when Sorg was adding support for more hacks and unlicensed games he updated the .txt file. So this isn't the first time we have had an external .txt database to run the core properly.

[paper orchid]

https://github.com/n64dev/cen64/blob/1c1118462bd9d9b8ceb4c556a647718072477aab/device/cart_db.c

[mild ether]

It's super simple to defeat though because it's in the same place in every rom and no attempt to obfuscate what is happening is done just a simple branch instruction that links it to the address the CRC is at.

[native mesa]

That doesn't make it ideal. I think hacking community is probably much more prolific for N64 than it is Neo Geo

[primal bolt]

id rather use a txt if it saves resources for turbo/performance improvements

[mild ether]

Very weak effort.

Glaringly obvious

[mellow path]

Does the CIC you choose persist the next time you boot the core?

[hearty python]

But first big Nintendo console. Games are on the switch now, so I would be careful

[paper orchid]

So this uses ROM ID, regions, an enum for save type, and then some description

[knotty zealot]

by your standards that means 80% of the library bug free by friday

[primal bolt]

lol

[worn delta]

Well let's let Robert focus on getting the actual retail games all working well before worrying about people wanting to play obscure hacks and randomisers.

[primal bolt]

let him cook

[random portal]

if the look-up fails, it won't change the CIC.

[knotty zealot]

mario nosejob hack v1.2 doesn't work on the current test core

[random portal]

oh and yeah the CIC will be whatever you save it to

[mortal panther]

As long as it will be database-based, when new hacks are discovered/added, you can either add those to the txt database yourself, or wait until someone adds it to the source code and rebuild the core just to be able to have it auto-detect the settings for the new games? I prefer the former.

[wanton sun]

currently the 6105 challenge/response isn't implemented yet, but it will be. Emulators have the code available as @mortal panther showed and @digital oar even implemented it in verilog already. So it should be not that difficult

[knotty zealot]

what DOESN'T work in mario kart yet? it looks very playable on the hourly videos from @fallen sparrow

[primal bolt]

AA?

[knotty zealot]

only 34 minutes to 7pm. gotta churn out a new video

[primal bolt]

post the link

[knotty zealot]

you're a link

[worn delta]

Another point with the .txt file that someone mentioned the other day is they added a line to the bottom to also reference an additional supplementary .txt which they added to themselves for missing files. Maybe this line could be added to the main .txt database so that as standard a supplementary list could be supported for people who want to mess about with their own hacks and they can make their own list that won't be wiped when the main .txt file updates

[primal bolt]

I wanna see N64 action

[knotty zealot]

that's what she said

[primal bolt]

indeed

[native mesa]

Do you have a mister? get some N64 action!

[primal bolt]

yes but i cant play until next week im out of town

[stone pilot]

also a good summary of anti-piracy measures

[native mesa]

Dang. Well I can record some stuff

[primal bolt]

also i dont have an n64 controllet yet

[native mesa]

Let me hook up my capture card

[primal bolt]

play the worst game for 8 hours straight until you beat it

[languid dune]

Robbyyyyyyyy!!

[primal bolt]

we need to save as much resources for a turbo type option as possible

[mild ether]

I guess but seriously if I can see it and figure it out it's something anyone with even with no traditional training just the bare minimum of understanding could do.

[primal bolt]

but I know robert will make the right decisions

[inner bronze]

I dont think Turbo is happening at these CPU speeds

[primal bolt]

i said turbo type

meaning anything that can increase performance

[hearty python]

Let’s wait for features complete

[deft ridge]

Sorry if this is answered elsewhere I checked the FAQ but is there any difference in performance of the n64 code between single and dual ram misters?

[primal bolt]

no

[languid dune]

Robert said previously that there shouldn't be any difference.

[hearty python]

Dualram not needed

[stone pilot]

Robert's head is in the right place (the place where you implement the Transfer Pak first)

[deft ridge]

Pog :0 do we suspect that will remain true into the future?

[inner bronze]

Yes

With how far we're already into development I doubt its gonna become a thing

[deft ridge]

:’)

[hearty python]

8+64 MB is the usage now

[inner bronze]

Dual ram would be about bandwidth

[hearty python]

Roms don’t need it

[wanton sun]

there is no second sdram controller, so the core doesn't know there is anything in the slot

we didn't need it until now, we will not need it at all

[deft ridge]

Ahhh makes sense why it’s more of an issue for CD based systems

Since the higher memory bandwidth for streaming CD audio

[inner bronze]

CD audio is high bandwidth.....?

[wanton sun]

no, the CD cores don't use sdram for CD

[deft ridge]

Oh 🤡 nvm ignore me

I mean higher bandwidth than an n64 rom

[wanton sun]

in case of e.g. psx, it's because the system has more different rams, while n64 only has 1

[inner bronze]

Streaming from an SD card or USB is gonna be heaps of bandwidth

[deft ridge]

Yeah fair enough lol

[inner bronze]

Well, the interface between the hard processor and fpga is limited but still

[heady mason]

when it says "auto-detect failed" does it mean it cannot find the game in the config file? I do not seem able to get it to detect any config

[wanton sun]

in terms of sdram speed required: this is the current rom read speed of the core compared to n64

so we need to slow it down significantly to get it accurate

[deft ridge]

:0 interesting, thank you for your work! I have an n64 with an everdrive but am still very excited!

[mortal panther]

Yes, it means there is not a matching entry in the /Games/N64/N64-database.txt file you are (supposed to be) using.

[ripe cargo]

Someone gave a solution to fix it yesterday that wasn't supposed to cause any data loss. Not sure if it would work but they sounded pretty confident it would.

[heady mason]

any examples of a game that is supposed to be in this database? I do not seem to have come across a single one yet.

[vagrant ivy]

you dont have the unstable Mister without that detection doesnt work

[worn delta]

Yeah, best to use the HTGDB Everdrive Pack or No Intro pack (as those ROMs are in the .txt and work) and for set up I advise downloading the latest version of Vampier's update script and use that to set up the needed files. Also make sure you have the boot ROMs, how to get is explained in the FAQ.

[mortal panther]

https://vampier.net/N64/

[mystic galleon]

I cant play all these games that pixel cherry ninja can play. I'm sure I've followed Vampier's instructions correctly (tho I am prone to mistakes) perhaps It's because I only have one stick of 128 ram, or maybe some settings I've overlooked? some games i cant play include 1080, diddy kong raceing, pilot wings, DK64, Mario 64, the zeldas. Any ideas? Thank you xx

[vagrant ivy]

Mario 64 needs a patch

see the Faq linked in the post above

[heady mason]

this might be the reason then. So just the latest unstable should be enough? I do run an unstable MiSTer Main, but its from... two weeks ago maybe

[vagrant ivy]

yes

vampier script will do all that for you

[heady mason]

I have gotten Mario running with the patched version, but just have not tried the newest yet. Okay, I will just run the script then

[ocean lily]

CD audio is only like 150KB/sec - it's a trickle of the throughput

[mortal panther]

If it's only from 2 weeks ago or so, you should have the N64 additions incorporated... but yeah, best to double-check.

[fiery grove]

you don't need to apologize or something, take some rest, we're amazed of your past week progress, thank you so much for all your efforts and passion to the project

[heady mason]

ahh, I see the problem, I renamed the file wrongly. Thought I just needed to remove the date.

[mortal panther]

Yep, that'll do it. 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

I could only find version 0.90

[hearty python]

For double speed drive it was the half speed already 😁

[heady mason]

wow, Super Smash Bros run great 🙂

[native mesa]

There's a github

[orchid nimbus]

hey @caldor 🙂

[heady mason]

hey 🙂

[native mesa]

None of my deinterlacing looks good though

idk

sorry for interlacing

[vapid hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-star-wars-memories-name-ben-kenobi-gif-4100026

[waxen lodge]

@weary palm can Viewpoint 2064 be updated in the database to use the EEPROM4 saving? That's what it uses and it won't work otherwise

[primal bolt]

I guess portal homebrew is interlaced?

[vapid hawk]

its 240p

[dense wagon]

I tried to play rogue squadron earlier but yeah it wouldn't get to the menu

the intro and like spinning expansion screen came up super nice

[primal bolt]

then whats with the lines in the video capture? The zelda one doesnt have it. I think you are wrong honestly, look at the video. Clearly looks interlaced

[dense wagon]

Love it 😄 i can see myself playing through it again 😄

[fiery grove]

why the textures looks dull or "with not enough color" i don't know how to say it, it's something that's not implemented yet on the core? happened to me on other games

[native mesa]

Gamma correction I think

Also dithering adds more perceived colors

[fiery grove]

oh

that makes sense

[zenith orchid]

yeah I'm really looking forward to dithering being added.

[fiery grove]

does OoT save the progress?

[native mesa]

Yes

[fiery grove]

nice

[zenith orchid]

the red and green buttons seems to indicate that this is the gamecube version

[mortal panther]

Listen... to that glorious reverb!

[heady mason]

Pokemon Stadium runs 😄

Four controllers does not work yet, does it?

[silent marten]

I haven't tried more than 1 but I think 4 should right?

[vapid hawk]

yeah only the gamecube version of the rom boots so far

[silent marten]

wasn't it implemented a while back?

[zenith orchid]

Fascinating, perhaps it has a different boot routine

[heady mason]

and Pokemon Stadium 2 as well 😄 Nice

[dense wagon]

yeah haha i was going to ask about that because i mistakenly swapped the controller bindings lol

[vapid hawk]

probably something simplified for the sake of their emulator yeah

[heady mason]

Ahh, I need to get this fully setup with multiple controllers so I can play it with my siblings 🙂

I still have red boxes around sprites in Doom 64:

Do I need a special version or something to get it to run without that issue? Pretty sure I saw someone link a video without those red boxes

[vapid hawk]

i still had them when i checked yesterday too

[fiery grove]

why is fox in the first part of the intro instead of mario? 😮

[fiery grove]

that's make sense, lol

romhack

[viral portal]

Wasn't it random who the hand picked up?

[quasi basalt]

You can add eeprom512 to the database file and the game should save.
Example: 7b06e4fbf15112a88c5f9c182fa1264b ntsc|cic6102|eeprom512 # Viewpoint 2064 T+Eng v1.1 Zoinkity

[viral portal]

Oh. Well, rom hacks work too

[fiery grove]

i remember that mario has always been the one that the hand picks up

[viral portal]

I haven't played N64 Smash since Melee released, so my memory is definitely muddied.

[worn delta]

Do we think there are many entries in the .txt database that need updating? Am wondering if we need somewhere easy to log them so can be amended

[drowsy lantern]

Fan translations? English Sin & Punishment isn't there it seems.

[worn delta]

The sheet logs ones in HTGDB that aren't in there, but I mean for data within the sheet for entries e.g. if eeprom saving needs amended etc.

[worn delta]

Sin And Punishment (J) English T-Eng v1 Zoinkity.z64
Is noted as in the database

[heady mason]

Tried several different settings, cannot find a fix for the red boxes in Doom 64. I tried both a US and an EU version of the game

[fair stump]

There are a bunch of random transparency issues that still have to be resolved

[drowsy lantern]

Uh I'm not seeing in this database here: https://vampier.net/N64/Builds/DataBase_20230906.txt

[fair stump]

Across multiple games

[drowsy lantern]

Is it outdated?

[worn delta]

Could be someone marked on the sheet wrong

[elder glade]

Hmm I have the latest unstable mister nightly

But am still getting E007 on the core

[worn delta]

If anyone is at MiSTer with the Everdrive pack is able to boot and see if it has the auto-detect -failed message or not that would be good

[orchid nimbus]

check the main page for updated links

https://vampier.net/N64

it's near the top

[drowsy lantern]

That'S where I got it

that file does not have "Sin And Punishment (J) English T-Eng v1 Zoinkity.z64" in it.

[orchid nimbus]

@drowsy lantern I'm not the admin of the page

and no agreements have been made to just add entries

[quasi basalt]

It might be under "Tsumi to Batsu"

[elder glade]

Also is analog output via io board supported

Or only direct video for now

[drowsy lantern]

171459f1b0e0654b6e00e32b29055f1d ntsc|cic6102|eeprom512|rpak # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha
90185d481bcab776add87b0300348a7c ntsc|cic6102|rpak # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha
357102a9d0e74060692510d66ddda3d1 ntsc|cic6102 # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha (Ch) (iQue)
9c41f0eb1babd3c7db018d7c0c899828 ntsc|cic6102|rpak # Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha (Fandub)

Ah, fandub?

[hasty kayak]

8BitDO N64 Modkit installed. Was fiddly but got there in the end. Seems to work well.

[orchid nimbus]

I heard good things about it

[hasty kayak]

Its good. Mapped buttons in the Core easily. Played some MK64 with it. Feels good.

[hollow orbit]

Believe so. Don’t think the YC stuff is public but i assume rgb/ypbpr should be good to go.

[safe robin]

So much text here in the channel 😅

[orchid nimbus]

imagine that in a text channel

[safe robin]

Are randomizers really such a big problem with the n64 dB? I mean technically it doesn't sound too hard to write a script that puts the new hash in the text file right?

[orchid nimbus]

whatmadnes is this? Amped?

[quaint rune]

I’m a boss at that track in mk8dx

[hexed knot]

Looks like amped, fun mod.

[orchid nimbus]

technically things are not hard indeed - but show's gonna do it and get it by Sorg?

[vagrant ivy]

I did mine the z button feels a bit soft though other than it it works in windows

[heady mason]

what does random hashes help?

[hexed knot]

As far as ease of use, it might be nice to have a script that goes through all roms in the games folder, and compares their hash to the database file, adding any that aren't present.

All pie in the sky nice to haves of course.

[safe robin]

I am more thought about a shell script that creates a number of randomizer roms, copies them to the right place and adds the hashes and right settings depending on the game in the the DB.

[vagrant ivy]

its not just adding a hash its all the other info

[safe robin]

Maybe I have a project I can try to solve here 😆

Yes but it's easy to get that info once and then you can use a script

[native mesa]

I think its really a non-issue because the settings don't reset when loading new rom

[vagrant ivy]

you would need a database to look up the hahes which kind of defeats the purpose

[orchid nimbus]

well I provide bandwith and the infrastructure to distribute the N64-database

I will upload anything that has been agreed upon

that's my task here - nothing more and nothing less

I have my own opinions about the database but they are irrellevant

is the ROM a 1 off randomizer > if yes then should not belong in the N64-database

as it's unique to the user(s)

[thick terrace]

I am a collector too, I have 100 devices that play pacman, but I hardly ever play anything. I need to have everything that CAN play games and have every game available. It's a sickness, according to my wife.

[orchid nimbus]

is a translation patching into a known ROM > add to database

@thick terrace it's called hoarding

digital hoarding is a thing too

[heady mason]

Hmm, I could probably write some tool that could add games to the file. Trying to find some game with a similar name or something already in the DB and copy those settings maybe

[zealous hull]

That's basically what I'm going to do, yeah.

[quasi basalt]

The DOOM PC ports are working!

[heady mason]

ahh, that was probably what I saw with working sprites instead of red squares and not the Doom 64 game

[random portal]

Just gonna drop this on you guys.
https://github.com/DerekTurtleRoe/N64-PD-ROMS

[carmine kettle]

relax take some time

[heady mason]

yeah, already a lot of working games. Very impressive the amount of progress we have already

[languid dune]

Robert has spoiled us enough already. He can definitely take a week off. 👍

[random portal]

He can take the rest of the year off

[zinc dew]

let's not get crazy now lol

I NEED MAH FIX

[random portal]

||🤣||

[zinc dew]

[mortal panther]

Crash Bannedicoot!

[languid dune]

We need an intervention for Robby!

[zinc dew]

I think it might be Starfield lol

[young nebula]

1080 with savestate renamed for rom loads after restoring save but freezes at load menu. Thoughts?

[random portal]

Not the MW2 Intervention right? He's already dangerous as he is right now.

[mortal panther]

I didn't need a save state for 1080 with the most recent build.

[young nebula]

Running latest 9/11 from update script

[languid dune]

I was going to say Magic Knight Rayearth, but you do you.

[young nebula]

Interesting. I get black screen when loading 1080 roms

[mortal panther]

I can check again, but I've never downloaded a save state for that game, and it worked yesterday... at least I'm pretty sure.

[young nebula]

I'll try again and a different no intro rom

[mortal panther]

I'm using the ones from the HTGDB pack, for what it's worth.

...I, uh... I mean, those are the ones that match my legally obtained ones.

...by some strange coincidence.

[zinc dew]

omg so clever, I thought that was an emoji

[mortal panther]

It's a GIF I made a couple days ago. 🙂

[zinc dew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1096015979055697940/1151214052765335582/3eyes.gif

lmao

[languid dune]

Did you say...GIF!?

[mortal panther]

I thought the 3-eyes was kinda our thing here. 😉

[languid dune]

What would depth perception look like with three eyes? Asking the real questions here.

[mortal panther]

It adds height perception.

[wanton sun]

1080 doesn't need a savestate with the latest core, neither ntsc nor pal

[mortal panther]

I thought so...

[wanton sun]

if it doesn't work either the rom is bad or not on unstable mister or database missing

[wanton sun]

it would be great if i could consider this a week off, but it's my job taking the time instead 😅

[languid dune]

I swear I've gotten worse with age for getting the timing right in 1080 for tapping the Z button when landing to avoid losing speed. Same with Excitebike 64 when tapping it going off of jumps for that extra boost. I never used to have trouble with it back in the day, but now I feel like I get the timing wrong constantly. Aging is a harsh mistress.

[zinc dew]

I knew I forgot something

thanks for the 1080 tip!

[mortal panther]

It's completely understandable. I think we're all just amazed that you're able to do what you've been doing even with your regular job.

[zinc dew]

does your regular job know that you're a hero to like thousands upon thousands of nerds?

[wanton sun]

i never knew that z is used for more then going faster in 1080, so i adjusted to playing without that

[mortal panther]

How do you launch shells at your mortal enemies in Mario Kart??

[languid dune]

With authority!

aka, the Z button.

[mortal panther]

Oh... just talking about 1080, not all games. 😏

[wanton sun]

yes, i was referring to the z-timing-no-crash trick

[mortal panther]

"Never figured out what this damn button did, so I just never used it for anything." 😄

[vague sun]

I was wondering why I couldn’t land anything.

[zenith orchid]

I love the progress on Dr. Mario 64

[languid dune]

And Pokemon Puzzle League!

[zenith orchid]

Oh wow I need to try that!

[languid dune]

Yeah, the most recent core build fixed the cursor, so it no longer obstructs the view of the blocks behind it. It's super playable now. Just no saving yet since it used flash.

[wanton sun]

some know that i work on fpga stuff in my spare time, mostly the old colleagues from the electronics department where i worked before, but as noone is into gaming it's not a great topic to talk about 😅

[languid dune]

Amazing puzzle game (and puzzle series as a whole).

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, I loved Tetris Attack, I didn't expect them to turn it into a Pokemon game

[mortal panther]

I guess it's cool to keep things like that separate.

Certainly fewer distractions on both sides of the fence, I would think.

[languid dune]

I used to work with quite a few people who loved gaming. One guy used to talk about Skyrim constantly.

[drowsy lantern]

It's the best puzzle game ever made. VS mode with someone skilled is so exhilirating.

I wish Nintendo would put out a Tetris 99 equivalent of it. Puzzle League 99 or something.

[zenith orchid]

I'm not a fan of some of the voices in puzzle league though. the barrage of "I'M GOING TO WIN!" when you make a long chain of combos is a little grating

[cerulean elk]

voice over time

see who gets a mention this time lol

[young nebula]

Thanks. I've got those somewhere.

[languid dune]

The only online game in the series was Planet Puzzle League on the DS right? That version was really fun with the touch screen. Kind of broke the game with how quickly you could move blocks around, but so much fun regardless.

[lament escarp]

Me? ❤️

[languid dune]

You must tell him how to pronounce your user name!

[drowsy lantern]

Yeah it was ridiculous how easy it was to create chains. I thought the art and music was really lackluster though. They could have done better.

[lament escarp]

It's funnier when he takes a wild guess. 🤡

[cerulean elk]

yeah cause if I guessed...Id get some comments

not positive ones

because id try phonetically

[languid dune]

Have you realized that my user name is actually MarLzero?

[lament escarp]

Marlo

[thorn flax]

March-10th-io

[cerulean elk]

yeah you are Mario...sorry

[daring meteor]

Core releases on March 10

[mortal panther]

"User Marl-zero on Discord..."

[languid dune]

The origin is actually that back in the mid 90s, I was using AOL, and wanted the screen name Mario. But it was taken, so I improvised. It's been my thing ever since.

[mortal panther]

Hey, I got it right 😄

[languid dune]

On youtube, I use METR0lD with the same gimmick.

[hollow orbit]

MAR-EL-NUL

[mortal panther]

MAR I/O

[languid dune]

Then you have Awbacon who was bullied into keeping his user name here!

[orchid nimbus]

already in the FAQ 😛

[fallen sparrow]

#FreeBacon

[languid dune]

#NotMyBacon

[thorn flax]

completely silly question, was there some similarities between the n64 and psp in architecture?

iirc that was why it was possible to make half decent n64 emulation on the Sony handheld

[topaz otter]

Did n64 emulation work good on the psp?

I remember playing snes games on there and they ran like crap

[native mesa]

I posted a couple gameplays you can use

[wanton sun]

PSP is using a MIPS cpu like N64, so maybe you can run some cpu code near-nativly. Same for RSP. As the CPU+RSP is the main ressource killer for n64 emulation, this can help

[orchid nimbus]

#KevinBacon

[mortal panther]

Six Degrees of VGE

[thorn flax]

that explains a lot. thank you x

[paper orchid]

I'm a little worse, I have rhythm games :^) (nowhere near as many as others)

[drowsy lantern]

Sixty Four Shades of VGE

[thick terrace]

confirmed PSP coming to MiSTer

[cerulean elk]

and exporting. Should roll at 4. Maybe 4:!5. See how upload speeds are

[broken viper]

The rest of the psp would never be able to fit on the de10

[cerulean elk]

So PSP by Christmas...got it

[eternal island]

yeah haha.. surely it'll never happen. it would be impossible!

...

[cerulean elk]

"shut up and hold my FPGA board"...

[wanton sun]

haha, the clock speed of the psp cpu is so high for the cyclone 5, you probably will have all FlipFlops go in metastability state after the first microsecond and all that you get out of the cpu would be noise

it would be like if try to set my CPU in bios to 20ghz and hope for the best

[wraith estuary]

so you're telling me there's a chance.

[cerulean elk]

so a space heater, fire hazard and failure all rolled into one. So it comes with multiple features is what I am hearing 😆

[eternal island]

at this point, i feel like thinking something is impossible never turns out well. it keeps ending up with so anyway, here is an impossible core

[zealous hull]

Haha, I think we all know that PSP is truly impossible.

And that's okay.

[cerulean elk]

I really need to do a "whats NOT coming to MiSTer" video...because the questions I get are wild

GameCube/PS2/Dreamcast/Xbox/Vita/etc etc etc

[eternal island]

i think so too, but now i'm afraid to say anything is impossible

[zealous hull]

I'm not.

It's impossible. 😉

I'm just grateful for the N64 core we've got, tbh.

[eternal island]

the fact that n64 and saturn are being done makes mister just the best device i have. i actually bought a saturn and n64 previously thinking they would never happen

n64 is progressing so fast its almost unreal

[zealous hull]

It's amazing, isn't it? I'm still keeping my expectations in check for TLB games like Paper Mario, but honestly the fact that it runs everything it does as well as it does is astounding.

[eternal island]

even if tlb can't be done, the games it can do are enough for me

[zealous hull]

At that point my Everdrive will literally just have Paper Mario vanilla and randomized on it. 😆

[cerulean elk]

If Only Bobby 64 was TLB

[random portal]

haha thanks for pointing that out, I am also checking out the other resource you linked there.

[hearty python]

N64 is about max 100 MHz, PSP is 333MHz. Remember when it was about 200 MHz only at start. Not want a 100 MHz PSP 😂

[cerulean elk]

Funny...Hyper Neo Geo is also 100MHz 🙂

[languid dune]

I need my Virtual Boy core.

[cerulean elk]

you misspelled PC-FX

[languid dune]

And make it so it has two screens side by side so you can play it with your eyes crossed for true 3D!

[wraith estuary]

any tricks to get Rogue Squadron to run on the 20230911 core? Not able to get into actual gameplay, but I see some people on youtube have.

[wanton sun]

this is a list of maximum frequency of the NIOS2, a 32bit cpu running on the cyclone 5 with highest speedgrade. Substract around 10% for our FPGA(medium speedgrade). That is the absolute maximum you will ever see for any cpu on the mister: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/docs/programmable/683629/current/performance-benchmarks.html

[hearty python]

Iirc, nios2 is max 170 MHz?

[stone pilot]

Sega Model 2 is only 50 MHz, but there's a bunch of chips

[cerulean elk]

dont forget model 2 has revisions just like model 3 has steps

[wanton sun]

keep in mind that the NIOS2 is super optimized for FPGAs, while replications of real world CPUs cannot be. So nothing above 150mhz for 32bit is realistic

[hearty python]

I agree, impressive that n64 get original clockrate

[stone pilot]

Oh yeah, Model 2B-CRX has an 80 MHz DMA

[wanton sun]

well it doesn't officially. The timing closure is for 80-85mhz, it just still works because the chip has reserves

[native mesa]

Ah yes Flippy floppies

[wanton sun]

in a industry environment i would never ship a product without timing closure, but in this case we have no choise and i think we can kind of tolerate it, because the choise is "not 100% safe it works on all de10-nano running at 100°C" vs "not having a N64 core"

[cerulean elk]

100 celcius is Intel's favorite operating temperature these days in their i9 range lol

[uncut gyro]

well, we've seen over and over that even when clocks and latencies can't be strictly matched, it can come out even in terms of software compatbility thanks to smart use of memory controller, implementing modern caches the original machines didn't have, etc

[thorn flax]

was either the M2 or HNG64 going to require a fan in the final design?

[uncut gyro]

like the Cyrix 6x86 p150+ was not 150mhz, it was same effective performance (nee FPU) as a Pentium Pro 150mhz

[thorn flax]

just wondering, as the n64 was the last fanless console iirc

[cerulean elk]

No and a small fan

HNG and M2

[zenith orchid]

I think that an FPGA board that could pull off a PSP would also be able to pull off a Dreamcast

[uncut gyro]

a MIPS core running at ~133mhz might be same effective performance as ~200mhz if you eliminate a bunch of the memory waits

[hearty python]

Got the FPGA hot when running n64? Never seen a temp issue

[ocean lily]

cough kria k26

[cerulean elk]

I dont run my arcade M2's with the fan running for the noise annoyance since its not in a cab

[night saddle]

Just uploaded my first video from the core and made a new playlist for N64 stuff going forward ^-^
https://youtu.be/h4QnU57RjkI

N64 core 1440p HDMI w/ a second cam showing the analog output functioning perfectly as well

[zenith orchid]

that doesn't have an HPS right?

[visual wadi]

i want the core to boot straight into Mario Kart

😂

[night saddle]

pretty easy with MiSTer ^-^

[wanton sun]

gba core should be running hotter even. it's more full and mostly running at higher clock due to fastforward possibility

[ocean lily]

it has several ARM hard cores as well as GPU but not sure about memory access from the FPGA side

[wanton sun]

but the difference will be very tiny

most heat comes from the arm cpu that runs linux, not the fpga part

[hexed knot]

wizzo's remote extension allows you to make shortcuts directly to games, that should do the trick!

[cerulean elk]

Model 2 would be fun to see one day but with all the variants I wouldnt envy that task

[visual wadi]

haha i was being facetious. but in all seriousness that's what I boot up most of the time

Mario Kart 64 Core

[hexed knot]

I just really love that functionality and like talking about it

[zenith orchid]

It does sound promising, it would need some kind of IO board.

[hearty python]

Next Intel Fpga will be in a smaller production process and generate less heat I guess

[cerulean elk]

I swear Intel is trying to get MORE heat into their silicon

[abstract shell]

I'm currently debating what spare parts to order for my soon to arrive de-10. Sounds like I should get a premium heatsink

[supple musk]

idk if this is a question for the n64 thread but this is what i use https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08HLX8N8V

[hearty python]

Hmm, premium is oversized

[cerulean elk]

All ready for 4 PM N64 fun. No copyright flags

[orchid nimbus]

Copyright FAQs

[cerulean elk]

just stayed away from DK 64 rap

[hearty python]

I guess future FPGA has also some thermal management inside.

A modern cpu runs without cooling, cause the chip protect itself. Do this with an older one and it pops up 😂

[viscid nebula]

guys robert is busy this week everyone post 3DO pics

https://tenor.com/view/fz1-fz10-real3do-3do-3do-zone-gif-26444509

[hearty python]

3DO has no mips inside 😁

[safe robin]

3d ohhhhh

[zenith orchid]

That would be cool if a successor to the De10 Nano is picked out for the MiSTer project around the time N64 and Saturn are stable. I bet at that point Robert might port his DS core to it

[abstract shell]

Cheers!

[hearty python]

Iirc the BRAM was the issue ?

3D Part

[eternal island]

i think once saturn and 64 are completed i wont really have a need for another fpga. all systems beyond that i actually prefer emulation to the real thing

[wanton sun]

i would not port my DS, i would redo it. It's kind of embarassing how i have done things back then. You learned a lot. It could be much better

[zenith orchid]

👍

[viscid nebula]

DS on fpga though? how would you even touch

thats kind of why I never really got into ds emulation

[cold pollen]

Some games hardly use touch, others are doable with a screen cursor controlled by mouse or analog stick

While others are just unplayable. So there's not exactly zero practical use

[cerulean elk]

"sometimes when I touch, the FPGA is just too much..." lol see if anyone can guess the song

[zenith orchid]

Also you could use the PS5 controller for touch right?

[viscid nebula]

which would be harder to make, psp core or ds core?

[zenith orchid]

if there's a cursor?

[cold pollen]

Yep exactly

[cold pollen]

I would kill for PSP I'm guessing it's far too complex

[wanton sun]

PSP by far

[viscid nebula]

ty for the answer!

[hearty python]

Does that mean you could lower the things needed?

[zenith orchid]

PSP is similar in specs to the Dreamcast isn't it?

[thick terrace]

We're at or near 75% now, right?

[viscid nebula]

oh god really?

[ocean lily]

more like a portable PS2 if I recall

[daring meteor]

PSP is easy, you just have to make a 300MHz core when Intel managed 170MHz

[viscid nebula]

🤣

[daring meteor]

Everyone can double intel

[viscid nebula]

Mister-Combination project - 2 misters - twice the power

[cerulean elk]

math checks out

[daring meteor]

Twice the clock speed

[cold pollen]

Also if you add the ability to map screen areas to button presses DS becomes more playable. That would be challenging with MiSTer though

[viscid nebula]

"The chips make sweet sweet love with our new MiSTer combinator"

[wanton sun]

no, a successor would mean no shortcuts and full accuracy, so a totally different design would be required

[ocean lily]

well, a MIPS CPU should be nicely pipelined which would help achieve a higher clockspeed

[viscid nebula]

ds won't fit on the de10?

[wanton sun]

not without massive tricks and inaccuracies

[viscid nebula]

ah well, still a great little board

[wanton sun]

make sure you use the unstable mister main and database, then it should work

[hearty python]

Good value for the money 💰

[zenith orchid]

Wait, you really believe it's possible even with massive tricks and inaccuracies? I guess it would still have an edge over software emulation, but if you do that, would it be feasible to use it as a base for a more accurate core on a newer FPGA board?

[wanton sun]

the problem is that the internal rams would need to be done with external ram instead, so the design would be very different to a "accurate" core

if you didn't set it to eeprom4 right at the start of the game...probably. you can try to set it to eeprom4 now, then save ingame and check if autosave will save

[zenith orchid]

So how much of it would be possible to recycle for a more accurate core? Because if it would require a full rewrite, then it's probably not worth your time

[hearty python]

Sounds so if Robert will do it again from the beginning as to use dirty tricks

[wanton sun]

maybe 50%? All the PPU and 3D stuff would have to rely on tricks due to the ram delay that is usually not there

CPUs and sound could stay the same

if it appeared you have a good chance

[zenith orchid]

I'm guessing the hacky parts might not take as much time since you don't have to worry much about accuracy anyway right?

[wanton sun]

opposite, they make the design much harder because using ram with 8-15 cycles delay to rebuild ram that only had 1 cycle delay is never easy 🙂

[zenith orchid]

Oh geez 😂

[thick terrace]

ok, so it's decided you're doing 3DO by christmas? Or maybe CD-I?

[vapid moat]

Robert should do what I call a long vacation

[safe robin]

What if he drives a Jaguar 😆

[hearty python]

How much BRAM is missing in DE10, 2MB or more ?

[daring meteor]

PC FX Core

[zenith orchid]

Sounds like it would be a tough sell then, as much as I'd like to see DS running on the De10 nano 😅

[wanton sun]

de10-nano has about 500 kbyte after framework, DS needs about 1600 kbyte

[ocean lily]

kria has like 3500kbyte

[cerulean elk]

my nephew now wants a MiSTer for christmas. Am I being dumb entertaining a 12 year old with a MiSTer?

12 year old me would have figured it out but I dunno

[orchid nimbus]

pi3

[hearty python]

It’s a shame, some bits more BRAM could change anything

[orchid nimbus]

and you're done

[zenith orchid]

he might not want another game system for a long time

[thick terrace]

most of us were playing these games at 12... Not me I'm old. I had an Apple ][ (that I still write arcade games for in 6502 Assembly)

[cerulean elk]

he learned about FPGAs in coding summer camp

so he's got his eye on MiSTer specifically because his teacher showed his off. Clearly MiSTer gets around

[languid dune]

Insert Palpatine "Do it." GIF.

[zenith orchid]

yeah it'll reach critical mass one day

[orchid nimbus]

my mister has stayed loyal

[cerulean elk]

Normally I would but I have two OTHER nephews who aren't allowed anything gaming related so its always a "how big of a hand grenade do I want to throw into the crowd at Xmas" lolol

poor kids aren't allowed games, to use phones or tablets or internet access at home. I fear they will become mere monkeys that use sticks

[hearty python]

Speak to the parents that he got one, perhaps over the shool with a reduced price

[languid dune]

All the more reason to! The chaos will be your Christmas gift!

[cerulean elk]

lolol

Chaotic Good

[eternal island]

i think might be better off for it tbh. well.. the internet part

maybe not games..

[fiery grove]

what everyone actually understood of this is: piece of cake, the psp core is done by tomorrow

[cerulean elk]

I can get academic pricing from Terasic. Doesn't change the price much but it covers shipping'

[hearty python]

Academic is also via mouser and digikey 😁

[thick terrace]

Surely 3DO or CD-I could be done on the MiSTer. The hoarder in me wants all the systems!

[eternal island]

i think mouser has a ton of em

[languid dune]

Just tell them it only cost $50, because you bought the parts separately and built it yourself. As if they'd ever know!

[cerulean elk]

damn it really?

fucked myself there didnt I

[eternal island]

was thinking of getting a second de10 just for the sake of having a back up in case this one ever fails lol

[languid dune]

I bought my replacement fuses for MiSTer from Mouser.

[hearty python]

They sold much more as the price tags was 155€… 😂

[languid dune]

Only cost $7 for five of them.

[cerulean elk]

haha its more the group gift unboxing. I gave my nephew video games two christmas' ago and there was a lot of screaming and crying from my two other nephews. I dont get that side of the families hatred for video games

[hearty python]

Yes, but they need a form from the shool.

[languid dune]

Just buy the other two a stuffed animal or something. An equivalent exchange!

[cerulean elk]

its all "they are a waste of time" and "I think they shouldn't even be allowed for children" and "I dont know why any adult would waste their time playing games"

[cerulean elk]

oh I have that. Good to know

[eternal island]

games are good. internet i can understand though

[languid dune]

Most of my younger nieces and nephews will only play Roblox...

[storm void]

Damn, I found an annoying bug. The Lens of Truth is a goddamn liar (It doesn't show the truth). Probably some unimplemented transparency

[mortal panther]

"You can't handle the truth!"

[hearty python]

Don’t know the actual savings, but it was about 70€ some time ago

[cerulean elk]

my nephew played that too. I was so confused and like "you sure that's what you want to play"...then he asked for roblox points cards or some shit for his birthday and I was just straight up "no. You need to pick a real game"

[mortal panther]

Tough love

[hearty python]

My daughter has spent 1200€ in fortnight 2 years ago, so Roblox is harmless 😂

[chilly ember]

My nephew isn't very interested in anything retro, he's one of those roblox, Minecraft, Lego and five nights at Freddies kids

[supple musk]

that's entirely valid

me too tbh

[cerulean elk]

I worry about kids though. My college students could barely use a desktop. They'd only ever seen phones and tablets. Intro to editing ended up being "intro to desktop computing environments"

[supple musk]

there's a lot of really good video editing and art apps for ipad and such. productivity and creativity are well within reach for young'uns.

[cerulean elk]

One kid I shit you not tapped the monitor and asked me how to get Resolve to load

no judgements. I just kind of forgot they didnt grow up with capital C computers

[hearty python]

For my daughter is her Pc only a gaming device 😁

[orchid nimbus]

60fps 😄

it's PAL dorks

[supple musk]

it's hard for me to accept, but i acknowledge that touch devices have a much lower barrier for entry, and get more kids creating movies and art, or even animations

[orchid nimbus]

sorry for the starting soon

[cerulean elk]

yeah maybe this is an "old man yells at cloud" moment but I was just surprised how few of my students had used a proper desktop/laptop

[supple musk]

totally

take it as an opportunity to give it a good introduction!

real keyboards feel nice to type on.

[languid dune]

Honestly, the university should require an intro to computers class before jumping into classes that require using a desktop.

[hearty python]

The growing up time they will never compensate. Hide the mouse and most of them is helpless 😂

[daring meteor]

Keyboards connected to phones should be normalised, its very nice

[daring meteor]

My university doesn't even have a requited intro to programming class
In the CS degree
It's optional

[cerulean elk]

especially for certain arts programs. Filmmaking / editing is never going to ditch our desktops / physical tools. Shit we basically continue to NOT modernize stuff so we can keep it feeling like it always has

no working artist / filmmaker wants their workflow messed with so while our software and hardware might get better it sure as hell doesn't get DIFFERENT

[hearty python]

My daughter could choose not to choose informatics at shool. Don’t understand that.

[supple musk]

choose not to choose

[hearty python]

I am a German 😂

[supple musk]

you're all good, i'm just poking fun :)

[hearty python]

How to explain it right ?

[little socket]

well, depending on the bundesland it is only wahlfach and not wahlpflicht.

[hearty python]

Sie konnte es abwählen

[cerulean elk]

and now I am lost

[jade bay]

does anyone here know what setting i have to enable to get direct video through analog io?

[little socket]

direct_video=1
in mister.ini?

[jade bay]

oh thats it? praying this works

[daring meteor]

No

Direct video?

What are you reffering to?

[little socket]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/directvideo/

[supple musk]

oh, does CRT stuff work with this core yet? it displays, but it's extremely warped for me. i've just been turning off my CRT and using LCD instead for now.

[cerulean elk]

he's asking how to pull analog off HDMI via direct video

[jade bay]

oh ok, i have to get a converter anyway

[vapid hawk]

its a bit better as of yesterday or maybe the day before i think

[jade bay]

so i cant use my analog io straight up anyway

[vapid hawk]

still not final

[jade bay]

i cant get the menu to display on my crt

[daring meteor]

Yeah it was improved recently

[daring meteor]

What format?

[jade bay]

im using a vga to bnc adapter connected to my pvm

[supple musk]

my CRT warping issue

all other cores are fine

[cerulean elk]

sync timing issue most likely

[hearty python]

Why not use a vga to Scart cable with analog io board?

[cerulean elk]

probaly rocking Dual Ram

[modern sleet]

@supple musk sent you another build to try

[hearty python]

Do you exchange analog with digital io board? @finite swallow

[visual mortar]

Same for me with analogue output

Synch issue 😦

[hearty python]

Scart cable? Do you have opend the connector already?

[visual mortar]

Yes smart cable

Yes i aleeady open it, why?

[modern sleet]

Try my build I sent

[hearty python]

Some TVs needs a light adjustment

[modern sleet]

Oh wait, your issue is probably composite sync not on in the ini file

[visual mortar]

Yes i think too

[visual mortar]

Anyway to fix ?

[daring meteor]

He sent the ini and it has composite sync

.

[modern sleet]

Direct video ?

[visual mortar]

No analogue output

[modern sleet]

Everything else works ?

[visual mortar]

Yes other core no problem

[hearty python]

If other cores are normal then it could not be the cable or the ini

[modern sleet]

I did extend the Hsync on the build I sent you but I don't think that's the issue here

It probably fixes clues issue

[visual mortar]

With vampir Old option, synchro Was OK, but ratio Was bad

Very strange

[modern sleet]

Vamp old option ?

[daring meteor]

The VGA scaler resolution that was posted here

[modern sleet]

That's what I assume, but wasn't sure

[visual mortar]

Yes

Vga_scaler=1

[ruby falcon]

I honestly woudn't expect Kaze's newer romhacks to work,especially with all of the special code optimization he's done

Oh no.. I hated using that controller as a kid 🤣

[cerulean elk]

5 minutes till you get to watch new and improved F Zero @languid dune lol

[manic basin]

I'm stuck in an auto shop waiting for tires with no headphones. Damn.

[elfin depot]

Be "that guy" and crank up the speaker anyway

[manic basin]

Hah!

[cerulean elk]

getting new tires sucks. Hurry up and wait

oh and bring your wallet because they cost a fortune

stupid low profile performance tires

next car I buy I swear its gonna be a Civic where every part is dirt cheap

https://youtu.be/h5QjJjOSsXk

Its 64 oclock

[winged peak]

Are savestates not working? Tried with Mario 64 but getting black screen when I load. If not, what do I need to know to save?

[chilly ember]

Savestates aren't working, every save type is supported except controller Pak and flash. Mario 64 is eeprom so it saves in game

[winged peak]

Okay cool, thank you!

[jade bay]

Creepy colors

[winged peak]

Did I need to pick a specific eeprom?

[elfin depot]

Just don't be THAT guy:

[jade bay]

Also here's what my setup looks like with analog io running at the same time

[daring meteor]

The CRT doesn't display anything?

Weird

[brisk drum]

I need a quick summary of what I missed today ..

No new build .. nvm

[daring meteor]

Robert broke the streak

[dusty tusk]

PSP core or something idk

[fair stump]

Robby broke the spreadsheet

[brisk drum]

It’s all good , plenty to dig into rn

[daring meteor]

After getting almost every game working on yesterday's build

[brisk drum]

Im happy and satisfied with the progress so far ..

But above all thankful

[jade bay]

電流イライラ棒 was all i wanted to play and i got more than that

so im happy

[brisk drum]

Im sure Robert is just giving the youtubers a break

[safe robin]

So I just played Superman 64 on the core. Like how should I rescue the police car if I have like a split second to react.

[brisk drum]

You don’t

You just play a different game

[safe robin]

I gave the controller to my wife hand she yelling at me. Didn't even take a minute 😅

[craggy kettle]

Was playing Space Station Silicon Valley last night and noticed it wasn't displaying the energy ball sprites, but everything else seemed good on the level I showed my kids

[dusty tusk]

Yeah, you have to hunt for the shadows

[hexed knot]

Some invisible fences and tree brush in the second level too, and I'm sure there's more.

[dusty tusk]

Wasn't the leaked ps1 version actually good?

[craggy kettle]

oh good, y'all already knew 😆

[regal prism]

The ps1 game released, and no it wasn't good.

[dusty tusk]

This insuates it didn't release officially

https://www.thegamer.com/superrman-64-ps1-prototype-released/

[chilly ember]

Wasn't the prototype actually better than what was released?

[brisk drum]

I thought it didn’t release officially

[dusty tusk]

I think the beta was better than the official. Almost like they shipped the wrong thing

[chilly ember]

Yea guess it was the Ps1 version that was cancelled

[brisk drum]

That’s Titus for ya

[languid dune]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-giggle-laugh-laughing-tidus-gif-17234654

[brisk drum]

Pronounced tit-us

[eternal island]

i think i remember reading about that somewhere ages ago. i think titus got screwed over or something

[brisk drum]

Leave it to a French developer ..

Probably surrendered on the deal at the first sign of trouble ..

Wasn’t there a comedian named Titus .. that also had his own show?

[eternal island]

from what i recall, the original was actually going to be decent or even good, but something happened

[dusty tusk]

I heard that DC was extremely difficult to work with at the time

[eternal island]

i can't recall the what though

[brisk drum]

Probably too ambitious ..

[vapid hawk]

i once saw someone complete superman64

it does have some kind of like "oh you died 5x , we'll make this easier" type mechanics iirc

[eternal island]

did they need to be in a room with pillows for walls and be given a nice jacket afterwards

[dusty tusk]

Proton Jon's play through is pretty legendary, lots of research in it too

[frail jolt]

I once saw a bunch of people play superman64 for an hour ...not get past the third mission, and then give up all together

[cerulean elk]

thats 59 minutes too many

[vapid hawk]

i think its also got a bunch of early difficulty spikes

[ruby falcon]

did he ever finished superman 64? I lost count

[eternal island]

i think this was it

[vapid hawk]

i'm not saying its good, it just isn't actually impossible 😄

[frail jolt]

We were determined, single and had nothing better to do...we moved onto and beat startropics for nes

[eternal island]

pretty sure DC themselves is to blame for it being bad

[ruby falcon]

Like 4 years inbetween episodes

[vapid hawk]

has there ever been a good superman game? he's terrible subject matter for one lol

[dusty tusk]

Nah the mechanic that's exploitable is the game has difficulty select which meany people don't realize. Not intl does it make things easier it removes a lot of bs as well. You can glitch it to get farther than the initial easy wall

The problem is that superman is the ultimate power fantasy, but he's not a villain, so....

[solemn kayak]

Heck yeah Rush 2049

[cerulean elk]

such a good game

admittedly I usually play on Dreamcast

I got my start on 64

[zinc dew]

explains so much

[cerulean elk]

my good taste in games? Absolutely

[zinc dew]

[cerulean elk]

I have good tastes in games and bad tastes in women. That's why I play Rush 2049 and go to @zinc dew 's moms place after 10pm

[zinc dew]

She’s a classy lady, he’s right!

[brisk drum]

That’s been noted

[zinc dew]

Can’t save, not fully playable!

[languid dune]

Oh dear. Some closet skeletons being revealed today between Robby and Awbacon.

[brisk drum]

Settle down Robby

[brisk drum]

???

[cerulean elk]

It's funny actually Rush 2049 and @zinc dew 's dear mom have a lot in comment; my favorite, drive em like a rental and gets plowed into walls hard

(thats as bad as Ill get with the jokes lol)

[zinc dew]

omg

[brisk drum]

Dang

[zinc dew]

someone call a mod

[cerulean elk]

he started it 😆

[languid dune]

[zinc dew]

He crossed the line

Mods!

[brisk drum]

You guys are gonna make us all cry

[zinc dew]

lol

Sorry, it’s just banter

[raw oriole]

Yer on yer own with this one Robby

[brisk drum]

Robert is gonna read your comments and lose faith in the project

[cerulean elk]

I think they are what keep him going

[languid dune]

I'm already crying. ||From laughing too hard.||

[cerulean elk]

knowing the core brings us all together...go give Robby hell

[brisk drum]

Specifically my comments

[dusty tusk]

This chat isn't american friendly enough

[brisk drum]

My comments matter the most ..

Rest of youse is just filler

[cerulean elk]

"Mod burnt to death on discord: news at 11"

[brisk drum]

Like the fat in a sausage or the pig snouts in a cheap hotdog

[zinc dew]

Finally, the sweet release

[cerulean elk]

lol death might be the only thing to take away my morning back pain. Damn skeleton aging before my mentality

[zinc dew]

lolol

[eternal island]

lol i never understood the whole banter thing for a long time. there was a dude in a game i play who would always just be rude to everyone. eventually talked to him in voice chat, and when a tone of voice was added... i understood

[ruby falcon]

Been dragging my feet on getting a chinese gdemu clone for ages now

[raw oriole]

Oh do, they are great

[zinc dew]

I can’t hang with the British in banter. I’d be eviscerated if I move to the UK.

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-cowboy-smoke-smoking-gif-17650308

Im literally this guy in rl

[eternal island]

once i heard the voice it was all hilarious

and i have no idea why

[zinc dew]

LOLOL

🪦

[cerulean elk]

hahahahahaha nice

[brisk drum]

NGP CORE WEN?

[dusty tusk]

wasn't jotego working on that?

[cerulean elk]

it can wait. I just got a Wonderswan and I wanna play that

[languid dune]

And you said you didn't care for Mortal Kombat. You've been burning Robby alive all along!

[zinc dew]

Mortal Kombat is cool

[dusty tusk]

Mortal Kombat Trilogy is a fun game to blow off steam

[languid dune]

Us Sub-Zero players know it's cool. 🧊

[cerulean elk]

Mortal Kombat and his mom also have a lot in common; Fan favorites that take a pounding and keep coming back for more

or THE GAME THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED 64 and his mom....if I have no other option...sigh...I guess I will take a turn

[zinc dew]

man, just venting your frustrations in chat huh

lol

[paper orchid]

wait you're here too

[cerulean elk]

ill be here all week folks. Dont forget to tip your bartender and waiters

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s me!

[cerulean elk]

man I miss Rodney Dangerfield

[zinc dew]

you’re helping create his replacement “I get no respect!”

[cerulean elk]

that was his best gag...he got all the respect

[languid dune]

The surgeon general says: Winners don't use Robby's mom.

[cerulean elk]

oh please photoshop that up with an old arcade warning

[languid dune]

I actually thought about it!

[jade bay]

Ive had a mister since January. Of course I'm here

[orchid nimbus]

what took you so long?

[jade bay]

finally have a day off to update the mister and mess around with some stuff

usually i dont bother with WIP cores because they take a while before they work through analog io

[languid dune]

@cerulean elk

[cinder pagoda]

Damn! That must have been my problem the whole time 🤣

[zinc dew]

man, you guys are relentless.

[cinder pagoda]

I take it this is a constant?

[languid dune]

I was forced to do it!

It's also a jab at Awbacon because it basically says he's a loser!

[sonic kiln]

Have you ever tried building cores for the -C6 grade of the same FPGA in Quartus?

I find that it does build and run on MiSTer, but not sure if any timing improvements could be eeked out

[fair stump]

@cerulean elk that video of you and robbys mom leaked. But I wouldn't worry, it'll probably be watched as much as your Wattam video

[cerulean elk]

Hey let's not drag Wattam into this. Games as good as Bomberman hero

on topic...the 2P SM64 rom is such a trip

why couldnt Nintendo just pull that off

[fair stump]

Sorry, somebody has to stick up for robby 😆

[languid dune]

Does that work with the no face skip patch? I tried it, but it didn't take.

[cerulean elk]

Andy D got it working

with his Andy magic

[primal bolt]

what about the 60 fps one anyone try it?

or does that 2p one also have the 60 fps too?

[rose elbow]

2 player? you gotta patch the nopatch patch? 🤔

[primal bolt]

i assume the 2p is made by the same person but maybe not

[chilly ember]

I thought Joe was the one who got it working

[primal bolt]

co-op mods are so cool. wish there were more

[dusty tusk]

DKR has coop cheat codes

Whme banjo tooie and cheats start working devil bottles mode looks fun

[primal bolt]

nice

[dusty tusk]

I feel like halo was really the last solid, you can play the entire game with a buddy experience

[primal bolt]

halos are a blast co-op

[deft tree]

There's more out there post halo for sure. Gears of War comes to mind

[inner garden]

what’s the latest chatter

[cold pollen]

literally the only way Halos are fun for me lol

[primal bolt]

blasphemy

glad to see Rush 2049 workin

love that game

[eternal ravine]

@viral swift
You could get an Ultra Short Throw projector and take up that larger wall space
Not sure how bad latency is, but probably bad

@cerulean elk
PC-FX and PC-98 cores would bring some perversion for sure

[cerulean elk]

lol ive got some of those on my shelf

not the perversion ones but the horror ones

[eternal ravine]

The packaging must be so cool

Japan "big box" PC collecting is nuts

[thick terrace]

what's the difference between OOT and OOTMQ?

[elfin relic]

master quest has redesigned dungeons

[thick terrace]

is it better?

[chilly ember]

It's better to play after you finished the main one

[primal bolt]

its probably more something to play as a second playthrough after beatting the original

[versed cairn]

it plays on your expectations from beating the original

[primal bolt]

looks like you take double damage in it also

[vapid hawk]

yeah and it wont teach you all the basics the original does

[primal bolt]

its a hard mode

[versed cairn]

3ds version also flipped the whole game. very disorienting

[vapid hawk]

definitely not the one to play first

if you wait a bit until it starts working i'd recommend the "redux" patches for oot, its basically just a load of quality of life changes that make it more pleasent to play

[random portal]

Feels like im cheating the point of the demo if it does have some cencept

[fiery grove]

They just arrived, i'll test them out when i go out from my work

at least the feeling in the hands is good

[random portal]

how much?

[wanton canopy]

This is hilarious I booted up WWF Wrestlemania 2000 and everyone is Stone Cold Steve Austin except the women who all look unique

[vapid hawk]

how do the analog sticks work on those modern repros ? is it the same mechanism as the real thing roughly?

[random portal]

I know a few stores that still carry these aftermarket controllers. I heard bad things about the Brawler 64 so I'm gonna buy elsewhere.

[fiery grove]

like $30 usd for the 2

is there an utility to test the analog accuracy, on pc?

[random portal]

just maybe the one on Dolphin

[fiery grove]

oh i'll check it out

[hearty oar]

from what we can see of it I would say no, it looks like a normal modern stick over a potentiometer housing

N64 mechanism doesn't look like that at all from the outside

[versed cairn]

anyone got recommendations for a n64 controller to usb adaptor? I see a bunch on amazon but no idea what lag is like

[vapid hawk]

reflex adapt by misteaddons, raphnet n64 or 2x n64 adapter

there's a generic looking mayflash one i don't think anyones tried it yet

[hearty oar]

Timville 4 adapter will do it now too

[vapid hawk]

oh yeah

there's a few random opensource projects online to build one out of arduinos and stuff if you want aswell

or just build timvilles, his is also opensource, its just that he sells them too

[ruby falcon]

I have the mayflash n64,saturn, ps2 adapter

[versed cairn]

oh damn I have Timville one but without the n64 part

damn

[vapid hawk]

i think tim said there's a way to upgrade it if you want

or just grab a new kit they're incredibly reasonably priced tbh

[ruby falcon]

just haven't gotten the n64 core yet to try it out

[fiery grove]

lol it's supossed to stay in the gray zone on full drift?

[cold pollen]

The code yes but you can't just add the N64 port to the triple unfortunately

The 4dapter is an all new board

[vapid hawk]

ah thanks i only like, skimread the chat

[native mesa]

Same mechanism, different materials

[vapid hawk]

is the outer grey gate the same? i need a new one

nobody seems to sell them

[native mesa]

Yeah all the parts are swappable

[vapid hawk]

interesting thanks

[native mesa]

This is the one I got Old Skool N64 OPTICAL REPLACEMENT JOYSTICK "SHARPSHOOTER" for N64 Controller https://a.co/d/7yEMils

[fiery grove]

i see a lot of test images from an utility you use to test the n64 controllers, it's a n64 homebrew?

[native mesa]

Yes there are a couple

[chrome quest]

Highly recommend Raphnet for generally low latency, and conviently 2 player ports for one USB adapter. Also does Rumble Pak when most don't, MiSTer compatibility unknown, but more likely to work than others that don't work for PC emulation I'd naively assume

[native mesa]

https://github.com/sanni/controllertest/tree/master/N64-Port

[fiery grove]

what's the name of this one?

[fiery grove]

oh thanks

[native mesa]

raphnets are expensive

[fiery grove]

i'll install the @lone geyser MiSTer for the analog fix and test them out, i'll share the results

[orchid nimbus]

Retrobit tribute 64

[fiery grove]

lol

[orchid nimbus]

Mine looked slightly different though

[dusty tusk]

Is there a lemonici build up to date with this? It fixed a bug with switch controller alternative mappings #unstable-nightlies message

[thick terrace]

are there any good homebrew/unofficial n64 games? I played the dooms today.

[plush summit]

@jovial briar we should ask the mods if they could make a thread for N64 controller parts

<@&806015468916703282> what y'all think?

[stone pilot]

There's already a thread on n64 scaling algorithm in #controllers ; you can make one for n64 parts there too if you wish

[plush summit]

Sounds good bud

[stone pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-buddy-guy-friend-canadian-gif-6183589

[plush summit]

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/1151307243405459527

[quaint rune]

I thought this was a smushed butter stick for a second

[woeful grove]

people can make any threads they want if they are appropriate, but the visability of them is pretty poor

[plush summit]

Yeah, its kinda why I was on the fence, most folk probably wouldn't see it, but hey, worth a shot.

[inner garden]

seems like I tried to update but the supposed new core was not found

[cerulean elk]

I was going to get this Brawler 64 dialed in tonigh then a Wonderswan Crystal arrived in the mail and I got sidetracked lol

[stone pilot]

there was actually a lovely moment where you could even make threads in a channel where you couldn't normally post

[chrome quest]

Checking PAL games against the NTSC "No Boot/Boots" list so any remaining TBC games tested are probably likely to be playable

Finding a few examples on the sheet of the fine line between "Boots" and "Playable" if all you can see is Black with a HUD but can move and "play"