Nintendo 64

[cerulean elk]

Lol no I yell at people in videos not to do it

[native mesa]

It's the lack of dithering and dedithering. Best you can to on original hardware is remove the dedithering which leaves the ugly dither pattern. Mister is now preferred

[cerulean elk]

Well as much as I ever yell

I try to remind people just to play the games and have fun and not super worry about pixel peeping

[zinc dew]

I don’t like that this core is enabling @native mesa to play N64 in such a rebellious way.

[brazen obsidian]

fully playable super smash bros, felt so good to beat the game 🥹

[native mesa]

Robby King Vaseline

[brazen obsidian]

this progress is wild

[native mesa]

I am but a humble aliased peon

[orchid nimbus]

Quake runs but no background

[topaz otter]

quake but in hell

[marble cargo]

Hoping dithering does get added soon, because the color banding is kind of agitating me.

[cerulean elk]

And it’s not because he likes filtering

[orchid nimbus]

@zinc dew and his self inflicting burns

[native mesa]

I think he said he would do the dither and dedither as one of the later features

color banding is pretty bad on OOT tho

I wonder if he can give us hight color modes like PSX

[night saddle]

looking forward to this actually running on the core! a version I've never played

[topaz otter]

if you get the remastered quake I on steam it comes with Quake 64

also the remastered quake 2 comes with quake 2 64

[night saddle]

played q2 and have the remastered q1 but will try it first on the core when it's ready

[topaz otter]

although quake on the actual n64 is one of those, "This shouldn't even be possible."

[mortal panther]

Yep. All of the unique content, none of the drawbacks. Great way to play them (remastered versions).

[topaz otter]

and the best part is that the N64 controls really don't get in the way either like some other ports cough daikatana

[native mesa]

I think gamma correction ill help with some of the color banding too

[eternal island]

daikatana got in the way of daikatana

[cerulean elk]

Haha that’s in the video today

[native mesa]

Is there a playable OOT that isn't a debug rom?

[cerulean elk]

It basically say it was a victim of its own ambition but on a technical level it’s nice on N64

[eternal island]

"works great. i hate it. moving on"

[hot spoke]

Is the video already online?

[orchid nimbus]

@native mesa I gave you the exact rom name

[cerulean elk]

Haha kinda

[cerulean elk]

4 PM CST

[mild ether]

Yes the GameCube versions

[native mesa]

Do I have to pull them out of the ISO?

[cerulean elk]

I wonder what those are going for now I always kept them around to have better video out for replays

[hot spoke]

I guess then I will watch it for lunch tomorrow. Thanks!

[eternal island]

ye oot plays great. i had one crash.. but then i couldnt make it do it again

[mild ether]

They are in the no intro set.

[cerulean elk]

Wow not much actually. $60 for mint. I’d have expected higher

[eternal island]

i retraced my steps. i let the game sit. nothing

[orchid nimbus]

Qvest64

[mild ether]

I don't know if others work but I tested debug, master quest and original OOT GameCube roms today.

[cerulean elk]

Anyone want some cheap loose Bomberman carts? I just upgraded my Japanese loosies to complete in box

[zinc dew]

Kirby 64 playable?

[mild ether]

Made a patch to get the title screen save file with all items etc for Master Quest GameCube.

[mild ether]

I got one hard lock up playing today.

Just random.

[eternal island]

yeah. it seems way more rare than mario 64 freezing

i just got unlucky first time i think

[mortal apex]

This has improved, there's still some pixels showing through but a lot less. The blender mode for blending non-force-blended polygon edges making a difference maybe?

[marble cargo]

Puyo Puyo Sun 64 regressed on the new build. The intro doesn't play anymore.

[oblique remnant]

one more time. follow that dolphin!

[marble cargo]

I wonder why Mario Tennis fails to boot, but not Mario Golf.

Granted both lock up shortly after, but technically Mario Golf boots.

[orchid nimbus]

RIP

[orchid nimbus]

runs until there

[hollow rune]

Xena is not the worst game

[waxen lodge]

Tony Hawk 2 seems to play better, didn't crash messing in the first level. Menus and HUD are still missing, but items within stages are showing now, like SKATE letters/money etc. Just have to navigate invisible menus, haha.

[zenith orchid]

It'll be interesting to see what caused the regressions.

I wonder if its related to static Z value mode

[orchid nimbus]

I wonder what RDP mode is used in Puzzle Bubble Bobble

[warm pollen]

For all of the Analog output people, Is everyone mainly just using HDMI out for testing at the moment? It looks like some games do work on Analog, and some games don't

[fading mist]

the Reflex Adapt from MiSTeraddons paired with an original n64 controller on this core is chef's kiss

[orchid nimbus]

@warm pollen mister from ebay? 😛

[warm pollen]

MiSTerAddons 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

much much much better

[hollow rune]

Don't we all

It is super weird

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow rune I wouldn't hope so

[plush summit]

Oh yeah, its pretty amazing so far, I wish my stick wasn't so worn lol

[fading mist]

i've never played mario party 64 so my stick is still pretty good lol. had a blast replaying waverace

[orchid nimbus]

hehehe

[hollow rune]

Any testing requests? I am getting close to stopping for today

[stuck summit]

If you told me this was from an UltraHDMI I would have a hard time saying it isn't

[cerulean elk]

MiSTer Vs N64 with UltraHDMI mod; MiSter is easier, damn near the same price and does 100 other things

[mild ether]

Really would like to play Puzzle Bobble

[noble escarp]

Crazy how well Smash Bros works. Went through once with Mario and didn’t notice almost anything wrong, minus some stray pixels

[plush summit]

I've been playing F-Zero X, Snowboard Kids 2 and Star Fox, its been a blessed day

[stuck summit]

It's like owning an UltraHDMI, plus all the other consoles RGB modded with an OSSC. And no failing caps.

[vapid hawk]

its amazing how solid starfox plays already, you can easily forget the core isn't finished

[fading mist]

Seriously! i was gushing all over StarFox and my 7 year old was looking at me like i had a problem

[vapid hawk]

you forgot all the ODE's and flashcarts you'd need on real hardware

[stuck summit]

True!!

[vapid hawk]

and the insane amount of adapters and other gadgets you'd need to do all the same controller stuff

[cerulean elk]

It’s been awesome because now I can put my real hardware on my PVM and MiSTer on my regular tv and I get everything I want

[fading mist]

super mario 64 still has worked for me tho

*hasn't

[orchid nimbus]

@fading mist not sure what to tell you at this point, there is probably a FAQ out there to read

[mild ether]

Never would have gotten a N64 with everdrive if I thought a N64 core was going to be a possibility. Being told it wasn't going to happen is when I got the everdrive.

[stuck summit]

Same. N64 is the only system I still keep on my setup because I thought it'd never get a MiSTer core lol

[vagrant ivy]

Read https://vampier.net/N64/

it tells you how to patch SM64

[stuck summit]

had to go through the trouble of RGB modding, getting a high quality SCART cable, the Everdrive, an upscaler etc... That ended up costing about as much as the MiSTer, honestly

[fading mist]

yeah i might just be unlucky..i have your update n64 script, N64-database.txt, boot.roms, and no intro roms still cant get pass the super mario 64 logo

[vapid hawk]

seriously Rob has put two holes in my "perfect" retro gaming setup, i never dreamed we would ever have a psx or n64 core

[vagrant ivy]

you must patch the rom as I just replied !

[mild ether]

N64 just looks exceptionally horrible on modern displays.

[native mesa]

I love that deku sticks kill gohma super quick

[vapid hawk]

N64 needs a good scaler with a lot of scanline options

[tropic sand]

You have to use the correct noface patch for m64 to run.

[stuck summit]

Yeah, I like how it looks with RGB and a good scanline filter. Or at least a way to remove the blur a bit.

[vapid hawk]

you can make it look reasonable with either rt5x or a n64digital/retrogem mod

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/ see 'Getting Your Games to Run Smoothly'

[mild ether]

Would be interested to see some side by side captures between a N64 with HDMI mod vs the core.

[stuck summit]

I had the GBS-C before the OSSC and the scanlines in that are quite good. They're adaptive so they looked great and you could boost brightness. No shadowmasks though

[native mesa]

I can't find the portal in Gohmas layer!

[vapid hawk]

can i report a bug that the jumping in turok sucks or is that just how this game is

[native mesa]

found it. it's invisible

[vapid hawk]

5 mins in there's like the worst jumping puzzle i've ever seen in a fps game

[fading mist]

ahh THANK YOU! 😆

[vapid hawk]

other than that turok is running great

[orchid nimbus]

pure pandemonium art

[dense chasm]

Did a search for the SAFFUN wireless controller, anyone using it wireless and can comment on how it plays?

[oblique remnant]

GBS-C is the least sharpest out in the scaler world. Not bad but not good either

[daring meteor]

When new test build

[vapid hawk]

there already is one today

[stuck summit]

Yeah. Expensive HDMI mods are the only way you can remove the VI Blur on real hardware, I believe. The MiSTer core doesn't have the VI Blur right now so that's why it looks so close

[tropic sand]

In case you want to add to faq...1080 snow boarding will work with a save state... Rename to match your rom name and place in save state folder

[dense chasm]

Looks like amazon has one with free same day shipping, so fuck it, i'll give it a shot today and report back!

[wanton sun]

if you give me more logic space, yes. But given how scarse it gets, probably not

[stuck summit]

enable dithering + scanline filter = here's your accurate high color mode lol

[fair stump]

Getting the shotgun?

[wanton sun]

@zinc dew if you want, you can put MRC: Multi-Racing Championship on the playable list. Completed this game today. It's rather short so missing controller pak isn't that important. Haven't seen any issues. Played the PAL version

[vapid hawk]

oh, no, that one i could just about manage, but shortly afterward

[mortal apex]

Huh didn't know oot had a debug menu crash handler 😮

[native mesa]

You underestimate how ugly the dithering is on n64

[mild ether]

Crash handler

[zinc dew]

It's beautiful!!111

[fair stump]

Anyone mind updating the test sheet for MRC as well?

[stuck summit]

It's only bad if you don't use the vaseline blur. Pick your poison!

[mortal apex]

yea this

[mild ether]

Some of these games got pretty detailed crash handlers.

[vapid hawk]

anything new to test on the snac front?

[zinc dew]

Also if anyone knows if other cables and SNAC adapters work let me know. For visibility I am friends with @graceful radish so I'm happy to advertise his site but I feel it would be fair to provide users with other options as well.

[desert crow]

There's a snac osd setting under System settings you have to turn on. ports will be all usb or snac. if you have 2 cables you can play 2p with snax. no paks, only controllers

[hasty kayak]

I need to get a Multi-SNAC (if such a thing exists) where I can use multiple real controllers.

[zinc dew]

Oh you have to turn it on, my bad

I'll amend the post

[vapid hawk]

nice, 2p wasn't in last i checked

[orchid nimbus]

yay!!

[vapid hawk]

hopefully someone will design a new opensource n64 snac like the psx one at some point

[orchid nimbus]

this is almost playable

if you like seizure inducing graphics 😄

[hollow rune]

Updated

[marble cargo]

Playing Diddy Kong Racing, not for testing but because I want to have some fun with an old favorite.

[night silo]

On misteraddons, does the n64 adapter say "reflex adapt only" just because the n64 core wasn't ready yet? Or is there a different adapter for SNAC?

[vapid hawk]

the former, afaik

[native mesa]

I never got into that because the cutesy art style. Is it worth playing?

[desert crow]

yes that's right last snac build was 1p, this one would do 4p if your had enough ports. Porkchop teased a 4p snax

[marble cargo]

Playing as Krunch is like equivalent of cock and ball torture.

[vapid hawk]

is it possible to make a n64 adapter for the old usb style snacs

or is it too different like how psx was

[orchid nimbus]

castlevania!

[frosty zealot]

I see people running Mario 6, mine freezes right after the offical Mario 64 logo , any reason why?

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/

patches

[night silo]

Yeah it doesn't work unpatched*

[marble cargo]

The Mario head doesn't render on the core yet, so you'll need a patch to bypass it.

[frosty zealot]

Thanks

[desert crow]

yeah I'll probably do a 4p board sometime. n64 is 3v3 like psx

[hollow rune]

Are people getting DK64 to run with a patch too?

[wanton sun]

n64 has 8 texture rams. You can also call them caches if you want, but they are more like rams. You need to load textures to them completly before(!) drawing a polygon. This is unlike PSX, which has a texture cache that is loaded automatically when a texture pixel is not inside the cache while a polygon is drawn. That means that a single polygon cannot use more than 4kbyte of texture. PSX can load bigger textures, but then the cache(only 2 kbyte) needs to be overwritten multiple times and it gets horrible slow. Anyway, because all textures (and mipmaps) are loaded before drawing the polygon and the texture read is integrated in the pixel pipeline it really costs nothing if you only need 1 texture. Dual texturing needs the two pass rendering and will therefore cost 2 cycles per pixel

[nova grotto]

Is there a way to force 60 hz on pal games ?

[zenith orchid]

why use PAL if you want 60 hz?

[nova grotto]

Cause I want to play a game in another language

[zenith orchid]

Ah, I see.

[orchid nimbus]

@nova grotto you have the weirdest requests 😄

[zenith orchid]

Yeah then I would want the same thing

[orchid nimbus]

games in another langaugs are created to run at 50hz if they are PAL only

[wanton sun]

set ntsc in system menu after booting the game

[zenith orchid]

I'd like to try NTSC in 50hz, just so I can get more consistent framerates in some games

[vapid hawk]

presumably set pal after booting an ntsc game?

[wanton sun]

yes, should work

[dull niche]

Wouldn't that affect the gamespeed?

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun I am wondering if the transparancy issues with Dr Mario and the Drops in OOT are a simple fix - if those issues are fixed those games are almost 100% (if not 100%)

[mild ether]

Yeah Dr Mario is really close.

[wanton sun]

i was going to research the instructions screen of mario party because it also has that effect, but maybe dr. mario is easier. Hopefully all are the same reason

[zenith orchid]

It might even fix pokemon puzzle league

[orchid nimbus]

Ms Pacman Dream maze (or whatever it's called) has it too - massive textures there

@wanton sun thanks 🙂

[silent marten]

Tigger's Honey Hunt also has it

[daring meteor]

Are we in the stage in the core where you started bug fixing instead of implementing new stuff?
That's very good

[tropic sand]

No idea if this helps... https://evilgames.eu/emulation.htm#n64-ntsc-patches

[zinc dew]

thank you @raw oriole !!

[nova grotto]

You know here in south America except from brazil and another 2 or 3 countries more (almost nobody knows about them exist) we speak spanish but spain is in Europe and they also (of course) speak spanish as well so it's a little weird of a case for us , almost all retro games were either in english or french in America continent so we were not taken into account as a public in terms of language so a lot of people used to play or wanted to play the spanish pal games because it contains our native language problem comes when we wanted to play those pal games in our NTSC Tvs so if you think it like this it makes sense , I know english as you can tell so I have no problem but sometimes I and other people want to try spain pal games either of curiosity or just cause some people don't understand english at all

[wanton sun]

it's a mix. Still want to do dual texture, LOD and Flash saving soon. It all depends on my mood which things i tackle 😅

[raw oriole]

Doing the discord pins shuffle I see @zinc dew, it's such a pain

[nova grotto]

Thanks I'll give it try !

[daring meteor]

The fact its a nice mix is already nice haha

[vapid hawk]

Robs instincts for when to add features and when to consolidate and fix bugs are the best i've ever seen in a software engineer

[zenith orchid]

flash saving is needed for animal crossing right?

[silent marten]

roughly where on your list of things to do is controller pak out of curiousity?

[daring meteor]

Yes, I posted a list a bit ago

This

[zenith orchid]

wow, what a dilemma, so they just expected everyone speaks English?

[wanton sun]

it's critical to have it as so many games need it to save, but i haven't yet implemented it in my emulator even, so it will take much longer as i need to understand how it works. That's why i still shift it back again and again

[nova grotto]

Pretty much haha

[silent marten]

this is understandable 🙂

[vagrant ivy]

Everybody does Speak English. Its the greatest Language in the world 🙂

[zenith orchid]

In Japan they were saying "South America is America too? let's give them English!" 🤣

[mild ether]

Seems logical.

I like the way they think.

[zenith orchid]

Majora's mask too? yeah it'll definitely be in soon. I'm sure if it

[primal bolt]

anyone know when Reflex adapter will be in stock?

[daring meteor]

Majora's mask in particular will fix the Ocarinas

[lean spruce]

I dont know if its been fixed in latest core versions but the transparencies in Rayman 2 is also missing (blue lasers and the ludlums). If you need more points to debug

[quasi storm]

Have you played Smash Remix? If not you should give it a look. ~64 MBs of fan made Smash goodness, and it runs with no issues.

[lament escarp]

English is more or less neutral ground. I was really excited when I found a fan translation for neon genesis 64, I didn't even bother to check which language it was, as I assumed it was english. It's korean though, so it's moonrunes to moonrunes.

[primal bolt]

I actually never really played Smash but I look forward to it

[zenith orchid]

so we won't need the red button version?

[daring meteor]

If you play Majoras mask

You will have 48 Ocarinas

[vagrant ivy]

They have to be hand carved out of Potatoes so when Porkchop gets allowed to have his sharp objects back

[zenith orchid]

Ohhh

yeah that's kinda funky

[primal bolt]

quit foolin' around this is serious business

[nova grotto]

Well South America is part of America Continent but for some reason I don't know everyone calls America to USA country like a whole hehehe as far as I know Japanese know about the existence of Brazilians , Peruvians and Argentinians everyone else don't even exists xd (speaking of south america)

[silent marten]

Smash works fine now

[primal bolt]

yea i need a reflex adapter and n64 controller first

[compact depot]

It’s funny how about 100% of the US people I’ve talked to think Brazilian speak spanish! 🤣

[silent marten]

why?

[primal bolt]

cause thats how I roll

[silent marten]

you can play with any controller until you get one

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I always find it weird when Canadians call their southern neighbors "Americans," since they're on the same continent. But what else could they call them? 😄

[primal bolt]

I can only use arcade stick and saturn controllers right now

[silent marten]

ohhh ok

[primal bolt]

I guess smash would work nice with arcade stick

[mild ether]

Portugal is really lucky Brazil speaks Portuguese or they would never get any games in their language.

[silent marten]

is your arcade stick analog?

[primal bolt]

no

[silent marten]

hmmm I wonder if that will work

[primal bolt]

does smash use precise controls?

i thought it would just be fine with directions like d-pad

[silent marten]

no just has analog stick for movement

[compact depot]

Lots of differences between Brazilian Portuguese and Portugal Portuguese but yeah

[primal bolt]

yea so it probably doesnt need analog

could just remap it

[silent marten]

might be an option to switch to digital controls

[primal bolt]

if not im gonna get an n64 controller soon

[vapid hawk]

quite a lot of pads already have a "dpad as left-analog stick" mode btw

8bitdo ones etc

[mild ether]

I can't imagine they are made for Portugal Portuguese but since I don't know either can't tell.

[tropic sand]

Love playing this even though I've no clue what's being said... apart from gooooaaaallllll

[vapid hawk]

ISS64 is great

[compact depot]

Screen 🇺🇸 Tela 🇧🇷 Ecrã 🇵🇹

[nova grotto]

haha for me it's a shame (bummer?) that brazil don't speak spanish as well I mean they are a very large population the largest in south America and their gamers and really hardcore ones but at least portuguese and spanish share 80% of similar words a native spanish speaker could learn portuguese extremely fast but we can already communicate between us in our native languages so no need to learn the other people language that I think

[compact depot]

Other than a few of these, they sound the same

[zenith orchid]

I wish they made a biker mice from mars 64.

[compact depot]

Yeah! I’m pretty fluent in portuñol 🤣

[primal bolt]

Yea I just try to use the actual controllers for each system

most of the time

there are exceptions like I will use Saturn controller on Genesis

or arcade stick

[mild ether]

I don't know the Brazilians I have known which isn't a lot didn't seem to think very highly of their Spanish speaking neighbors.

[compact depot]

Oh and be careful when you refer to a girl in Brazil as a Rapariga 🤣

[mild ether]

But I can understand. I would be pretty offended if someone thought I was Canadian or something. 😂

[compact depot]

I went to a chiropractor and he asked: are mexican wives bossy? I replied: I don’t know, mine is Brazilian 🤣

[little bane]

This is correct, and also other words in Portuguese from Portugal, can generate a black eye here in Brazil

[compact depot]

Yep! Hahaha

[mellow raft]

My friend is American but would always get mistaken for a native when he started visiting a friend in Brazil. So he decided to start learning to speak fluent Portuguese. Lol. He's pretty good apparently by his friend's statements

I guess he just looks like it for some reason

What's odd about it is he's black with Irish ancestry. How is he mistaken for it? XD

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little bane]

So he's good with languages, because Portuguese is difficult, Even for us who are natives.

[mellow raft]

He is. He's taken to it a lot. Spending a lot of his free time forcing himself to read stuff or listen to stuff in Portuguese.

[hasty kayak]

Surely that is a hack of ISS 64?

[mellow raft]

It's to a point now where when he gets unwanted people at his apartment, he opens the door and acts like he doesn't speak English and just spouts Portuguese at people to get them to go away.

[tropic sand]

So I've just found out 🤦

[brisk drum]

ST1KA IS NUMBER ONE PORTUGAL MAN!

[little bane]

One thing I can say, the softness of the music and the songs in Portuguese, especially MPB, are incredible.
I learned to appreciate my native language even more after learning English and Spanish

[zinc dew]

Core is ??% complete

[mortal panther]

It's taking up a little more than 70% of the available logic elements so far, I think.

[little bane]

Remembering to say, I'm already on the 5th world in banjo Kazooie and so far without crashes or anything, thank you very much for your work Robert.

[compact depot]

Is that Cristiano Ronaldo’s nickname? 🤔

[mild ether]

So we are really hoping the percentage used is equal to the percentage of completion. 🤞

[compact depot]

OoT is beatable so 100% complete!

[mild ether]

It does look really good.

[mortal panther]

If all you're interested in is Mario Kart and Dr. Mario, then it's practically 100% now.

Ship it!

Red and green buttons. 🙂

[quasi storm]

I'm waiting for Goldeneye.

[compact depot]

Almost zero issues. Aside of some minor transparency glitches

[zinc dew]

And the random crashing

[mortal panther]

Shh!

[nova grotto]

For spanish speakers brazil's portuguese sounds like a missspoken spanish and I bet they think the same of us the other way around

[compact depot]

It doesn’t exist

[zinc dew]

lol

[mild ether]

Dr Mario is very very close to complete. You can play it and it feels like original hardware.

[quasi storm]

@cerulean elk, is that you?

[compact depot]

Some people stop and ask me what language is that. Some confuse it with a bad french lol

[mild ether]

Eh? I don't think he likes Dr Mario

[quasi storm]

It sounded like a line straight out of one of his videos 😆

[mild ether]

Oh.

[compact depot]

For us Brazilian, to speak in spanish is as easy as speaking with the tongue outside the mouth

[zinc dew]

The Master Quest version makes me mad

It’s not L Trigger, stop telling me to press L!!111

[mortal panther]

The Z is silent

[cerulean elk]

Huh?

What’s the racing game Robert said is completable? I read it, forgot and now can’t find

[cerulean elk]

Lol nvm I get it

[mild ether]

Everything on MiSTer feels like original hardware at least that's why I like it so much.

[wanton sun]

does the gamecube version of OoT crash more? i had the master quest version on for 3 hours or so and it worked, but that may not mean anything

[mortal panther]

#1096015979055697940 message

[mild ether]

I got one random lock up while playing it.

[cerulean elk]

Bingo thx!

[dense chasm]

Just got this thing working, and hooooolllyyy shit!

[fair stump]

I was able to complete an f-zero x gp with no issues. When can that be marked as completable? Has anyone done the vast majority of content yet?

[wanton sun]

which one, gamecube or master quest?

[orchid nimbus]

I played for 2 hours (1st time playing really - since it's been over 25 years) and no crashed on master quest (GC)

[dense chasm]

Need to download that mister file with the joystick adjustments, but i may wait until the cheapo n64 controller arrives to see how it fares first

[mortal panther]

I thought Master Quest was the GameCube version.

[mild ether]

I believe it was just the GameCube one not the master quest version.

I was just cycling through them testing things out and it randomly froze while running around.

[mild ether]

There is both in the no intro set.

[wanton sun]

so far i haven't seen reports of the master quest crashing random, but then with a frequency of "x hours per crash", who can say (or even debug) that

[mortal panther]

Perhaps in the HTGDB set as well, sorted into a different folder (Revisions?). I'll have to check.

Thanks

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun nice job with today’s build. It fixed all other issues with polygon seams on transparent meshes.

[orchid nimbus]

I think the Mario crash is easier to debug - top of the hill at bomb omb fight

95% chance of crashing

[quasi storm]

Duke Nukem 64 now has proper depth, too!

[wanton sun]

thank you, it was a nightmare to debug this, so it's great it covers so many cases 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

it's insane 🙂 that's what it is

[mild ether]

I saw one other person this morning mention a freeze on the GameCube version. It's going to be really hard to debug so hopefully it creates a more reproducible problem in another game to find the problem.

[mellow raft]

Any recommendations? I'm sure my friend would love to hear them. We're both music nerds.

[knotty zealot]

it's a nightmare core - when fully accurate. LUUL

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun I really hope you can keep your promise of atleast 1 game working by xmas 😄

[wanton sun]

i'm much more optimistic now 🙂

[knotty zealot]

i expect screenshots of mario dabbing at the top of the clock level around christmas

[orchid nimbus]

fingers crossed!

[little bane]

Chico Buarque de Holanda, Gilberto Gil and Caetano Veloso, amazing stuff to listen

[mellow raft]

Thanks!

[wanton sun]

my previous goal was to play Mario kart in any form with the family on christmas. My new goal is to play Mario Kart and Mario Party. Both 100% bugfree at correct speed. Still not fully there, but should be possible.

[mild ether]

What version did you get this from?

[mortal apex]

From vanilla oot

[orchid nimbus]

I wonder if someone can do a side by side compare of Mario kart - let the demo run and see the difference

I don't have a real N64

[mild ether]

Not the GameCube?

[mortal apex]

ya n64 the first version i think

[wanton sun]

currently the speed will be off as the refresh rate is not correct

[zinc dew]

Ok cool, so now that we know what you’re fixing next weekend, maybe you can add a goal of controller pak saves by Christmas?

lol I’m kidding

[mortal apex]

@weary palm just by curiosity, was the patch you made to remove the expansion pak check in dk64 as simple to make as the no face patch for sm64?

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/college-humor-are-you-ready-to-begin-your-quest-hermit-wizard-gif-12459708

64

[wanton sun]

it's funny i cannot remember any game i played with my parents that required a controller pak. But of course i understand that you want it. I also want it 🙂

[zealous hull]

I can think of one.

[native mesa]

Mario Party 1?

[hasty kayak]

Didn't that require the RAM Expansion pack rather than a Controller Pak?!

[native mesa]

Mario Party 2 is best Mario Party

[mellow raft]

It was mostly older games wasnt it? Later carts had larger sram

[hasty kayak]

2 different things?

[wanton sun]

i think it was mostly 3rd party titles?

[mild ether]

GoldenEye?

[hasty kayak]

No I don't think that did.

[mild ether]

I don't even remember what that was for saves.

[hasty kayak]

I can't think of many that needed the Memory Card Controller Pak 😉

[native mesa]

https://www.nintendo64ever.com/Nintendo-64-Games-Memory-Card.html

[hasty kayak]

of course!! the ISS games did! I should have remembered that!

[quaint rune]

Castlevania

[mild ether]

Oh Gex and Gauntlet Legends.

[hasty kayak]

FIFA games too

[tropic sand]

California Speed is working well...

[quaint rune]

Looks like a level from Mario kart but with a car from gran turismo 😹

[mild ether]

Who could forget Mahjong 64 needed a save pak!! We are going to need that working immediately.

[daring meteor]

California Speed has wacky levels

[low flame]

Doom 64 needs a save pak

[vapid hawk]

i think there's a romhack for doom64 that makes it save on cart

[ripe cargo]

@zinc dewI am using the older SNAC adapter from MisterAddons with a Blissbox cable. Seems to work. Stick feels a little jumpy but it may just be because I havent used an N64 controller for quite a while!

[vapid hawk]

@desert crow some feedback ^

[native mesa]

Was Nintendo trying to be like Sony with their memory cards?

[vapid hawk]

i think partly that and partly to reduce costs on carts

[mild ether]

Nobody beats Sony at that ripoff.

[mortal apex]

Idk about that, but saving games on the controller pak was kinda nice for rentals. Made it possible to finish games without having to rent them non-stop. But yea cost cutting makes sense

[mild ether]

Yep, I am surprised more games didn't try to off load that cost

Especially with flash saves on carts. That must not have been cheap in the 90s.

[desert crow]

might be a wrong voltage thing, older snac only does 5v

[mild ether]

Flash was really expensive.

[cerulean elk]

I really need a pcb for this

I’ve got the California speed itch

[ripe cargo]

ok. It just seems a bit more sensitive in Mario Kart than I remember. I'll try in some more games and see how it goes.

[dense chasm]

Hmm, just had the noface sm64 unlocked game crash on me in bobomb mountain.

Should have done a savestate when i got into the castle so i can skip that stuff again

Guess i'll try the regular one instead of the unlocked doors

[mortal apex]

Save states are not implemented yet. You can set cache delay to 10 to reduce the chance of crashing.
Or try this patch I made from FazanaJ's Ultrasm64: #1096015979055697940 message

[desert crow]

could try the controller test rom with savestate and look at analog stick values

[split bane]

So I put the newest RBF file = N64_20230910.rbf in the Consoles folder, the N64-Database.txt file and boot.rom & boot1.rom in the N64 folder, the update_N64.sh file in the Scripts folder (and ran that Script successfully on the Mister) but when I start up Super Mario 64 (Z64 file) I get the Super Mario title screen and then the game crashes to this screen (and stays there) HELP 🙂 Do the N64 ROMs need to be zipped or unzipped ?

[mild ether]

Patch the no face?

[dense chasm]

I can try that! Is it pretty common still? I figured SM64 would be a good place to start after mario kart was so crazy sensitive

Need to try that pinned mister file

[mortal apex]

The crashes? Yeah it's common with data cache on. With the Ultrasm64 patch it didnt crash on me, I picked up about 20 stars.

[split bane]

Its the newest RBF so sadly not helpful 😦

[dense chasm]

Thank you! Just wanted to make sure I didnt have something screwed up after following the faq

[mild ether]

So you patched the sm64 rom?

[split bane]

I have the pinned Mister file but it does crash with that 😦

[split bane]

No - you need to do that ???

[mild ether]

Yes

[ripe cargo]

Where do i put the savestate file?

[split bane]

How and what do I need to patch ?

[mild ether]

Go to the site in the first pinned comment and there is a list of patches there.

[ripe cargo]

nevermind, i got it

[remote hatch]

https://vampier.net/N64

[ripe cargo]

@desert crowI am on the latest unstable but im getting autodetect failed when loading the test rom. Ideas?

[wanton sun]

test roms are not in the database and don't have to be, they usually just work

[desert crow]

yeah just try to restore state

[ripe cargo]

ok got it. what info did you need?

[versed cairn]

I played GameCube oot for a few hours yesterday with no crash. If it crashes it’s REALLY uncommon

[native mesa]

What is different about the GameCube oot ROM that allows it to play? Save functions? Removal of some copy protection?

[ripe cargo]

Thanks Robert!

[wanton sun]

something at the bootup of the normal oot causes a hang. i haven't researched. But after that point is crossed, it seems to work

[lament escarp]

I actually managed to crash oot. After loading a save in the deku tree, right when shooting a skulltula with the sling

Gc version, non mq

[versed cairn]

GameCube oot skips the n64 logo

[wanton sun]

i will research it at some point, but for now there are more important things 🙂

[blissful plaza]

I've played the NGC OoT ROM file two days ago until the end of the Death Mountain (2nd gem) without any crash.

FYI

[stuck summit]

Is Mario 64 supposed to crash a lot at this point or am I just having bad luck?

[wanton sun]

it's normal

[stuck summit]

thought so! Thanks

[versed cairn]

It’s funny how both super Mario 64 and ocarina have intro skips to get working and the rest of the game is fine. Other then the random crashes

[tropic sand]

International Superstar Soccer 64... Fab and plays well
Chopper Attack.. Fab and plays well

[wanton sun]

it's not surprising: booting a game has no variable elements, you cannot skip it or change it's pace. So the developers will not even find that their code is buggy if the path it takes just works. Ingame logic often is much better tested

[orchid nimbus]

set cache delay to 10 - enjoy more

[stuck summit]

In Mario 64's case, IIRC the person who programmed the stretchy face was different from the people that did the rest of the game. So there's probably some differences in the code or something.

[stuck summit]

Thanks! I'll try that

[orchid nimbus]

most likely the left-over of a tech demo they wanted to put into the game

[desert crow]

none really, thought you might see weird behavior there. contrllers usually go to the +/- 80 range. maybe what type of controller you're trying.

[tulip coral]

apologies in advance as this has likely been covered previously (i guess i missed it), but i recall initial concerns over achieving the correct CPU speed on MiSTer. however no one mentions it now, is the CPU running trouble free at full frequency now?

[marble cargo]

Too early to tell since not everything is included yet, but so far it's optimistic.

[ripe cargo]

Original N64 controller. It's showing about 80 on Up and Down, and about 75 on Left and Right

[mild ether]

Seems like the face stretching was just to test out using TLB.

[versed cairn]

There’s a story that a dev was messing with vertices on a SGI work station and making funny faces with Mario. Miyamoto thought it looked fun so he asked if they could make it into a fun little intro thing.

[mild ether]

I wanted one of those workstations so bad in the 90s.

Mostly a Sun workstation though.

[desert crow]

Sounds like it's probably working right, try some more games out. Compare to real harware I guess if you want.

snac isn't really in the bug report phase. It's more in the just play and don't bug Robert phase 🙂

[ripe cargo]

Yea Mario64 feels good. Probably just not used to the control in Mario Kart. Thanks for the SNAC support and the help!

[orchid nimbus]

https://youtu.be/zK66pX5Jw9o?t=1480

bookmarked on story

[cunning mantle]

Analog Out works indeed properly now. Looks fantastic via Retrotink 5x Pro in 1440p.

[stuck summit]

found the culprit!

[orchid nimbus]

I wonder if Big N knows about the creation of this core

[ripe sentinel]

make sure your delay is set to 10, helped me a lot iwth crashes

[woeful grove]

Did you know mister now has HDMI? It can even connect to HDTV's all by itself.

[stuck summit]

lol

[stuck summit]

I'm trying that right now. Is it fine to leave it like that for all games or is it only for mario 64?

[mortal apex]

it reduces performances, so I'd say it's only for games that have the random crashes. Wave race is another one where cache delay helps iirc

[mild ether]

I got a reproducible freeze here in OOT Master Quest GameCube USA at Market after leaving Temple of Time it's the 4th redead you come across.

@wanton sun

[cunning mantle]

I prefer real 1440p, and HDMI can't do that due to the known limits. Yes, i like proper 1440p CRT shader.

[weary palm]

1920x1440 is indeed possible

[cunning mantle]

Not on my LG C9, so...

[mild ether]

Use this to put the title screen save file for first slot that will put you in temple of time right away. Back up your save though if you have one. Might overwrite it.

[stuck summit]

That's what I use, but not all TVs love that unfortunately

[versed cairn]

Oh this is great thanks! I just heard of the story, I’ve never seen this interview

[orchid nimbus]

5 second google and then some searching in a youtube thing - I guess I got lucky 😉

[mortal apex]

You can also try FazanaJ's UltraSM64 version, I posted a patch yesterday. Played for an hour with 0 delay, I couldnt get it to crash: #1096015979055697940 message

[cunning mantle]

My Dell PC monitor supports 1920x1440 too, but it doesn't look as good as the LG, iirc 1920x1440p is possible via CX up to C3.

[stuck summit]

C2 and C3 have awful input lag at 4:3 unfortunately so even though it's supported, it also sucks

[mild ether]

@wanton sun getting consistent freezing fighting redead in Market not just there.

[loud tartan]

@mortal apex Is that patch to be used on a standard USA rom of Super Mario 64?

[cerulean elk]

People are getting deep into ocarina so quickly

[mortal apex]

Yes, I used the everdrive pack from the htgdb on archive. The one from no intro probably also works

[mild ether]

I am using a patch for a built in save that starts you there.

[cerulean elk]

Ahhhh. I thought you’d just played up til that point

[mild ether]

nope, I have hardly played at all.

[iron trail]

It takes a couple hours to get to adulthood. I did it twice already (once on stub build, once on the later builds with save). The kid dungeons are super short.

[iron trail]

Curious if the attract mode save is related. I didn't have freezes there but I didn't fight the redeads. So just exit temple of time, fight the redeads, freeze?

[mild ether]

if anyone else wants to test to see if this is reproducible on their end. Will turn the save in slot one into the one that puts you here.

[mild ether]

yes

might want backup your save if you got one in slot 1

[iron trail]

Yep, freezes there with a legit save too. Interesting, had zero freezes or crashes in both playthroughs up to forest temple. Cool find!

[mild ether]

Thats good news though since it should be easier to debug.

[rich delta]

Ah very interesting - thanks for the detailed response. So this also explains the N64s low res textures. An interesting design decision by Nintendo - it certainly simplifies texture access and keeps performance constant and fast but at the cost that the ground (for example) has relatively small textures stretched over large polys or you have to spend your poly budget on more tessellation to get the texel density up. They then added texture filtering to help cover any low texel density up. All makes sense really.

[mortal apex]

Didn't crash for me on my first batch of redeads, trying again

[versed cairn]

I also got up to adult link. No freezes. Super solid

[mild ether]

Couple times it didn't happen but always in the first 4.

[vapid hawk]

Found a visual bug in oot - after the deku tree

[versed cairn]

Once we have 2 pass textures I think the game will almost look perfect

I think that’s a 2 pass too. Maybe not the polygon gaps but the texture error there

[orchid nimbus]

is that with today's core?

[vapid hawk]

Yeah

[orchid nimbus]

the spiderwebs on the floor used to have that - but they got fixed today

[vapid hawk]

He looked fine until he died

[mild ether]

Seems to happen most on the final blow to a redead.

When they start to fall.

[vapid hawk]

In hyrule field the sky seems to go black periodically

[mortal apex]

Ok got it. It froze on my second attempt, just like you said when it started the fall animation

[quaint rune]

yes that’s called nighttime.

[vapid hawk]

I mean - other than nighttime 🙂

[mild ether]

Sweet!! we found a legit bug that can be fixed!!

[versed cairn]

That’s from day to night and night to day

[vapid hawk]

Seems to happen around dawn/dusk

[versed cairn]

It blends the skyboxes

I think it’s also 2 pass

[vapid hawk]

Yeah something like that

[versed cairn]

The ground is also 2 pass I think. It’s made up of two textures and we only have the under one right now. It’s so interesting to see

[vapid hawk]

the banding is pretty brutal in places too

still though that is overall probably the most amazing thing i've seen on mister

[versed cairn]

Same. It’s mind blowing. Makes me kind of regret buying and installing the n64 digital lol

I can just have mister now in the future in my living room for everything old. While my original systems can stay in the office on my crt. I’ll probably never move them around again.

[vapid hawk]

i should probably sell like 2/3 of my n64s

[mild ether]

I think my N64 and Everdrive will soon be sold. The only hesitation is the debugging features of the Everdrive but haven't used it yet and CEN64 with gdb is free and more convenient.

[mortal panther]

Better hurry and sell them soon. Once Robert's done, nobody else will want them either. 😉

[mild ether]

I don't know about that but might lose some value.

[mortal panther]

(is a joke)

[mild ether]

Yeah, I am clueless. 😂

[stuck summit]

I'm holding onto my Everdrive because we're still not sure if the core will support every game, but I may have to sell it too eventually

[native mesa]

I agree it's better with a Retrotink. It's worth it alone for HDR CRT simulation. Also are you actually Jack Black?

[thorn flax]

just checking, is it 'cause I use the htgdb collection that the core can't auto-detect the correct cic etc? even with a fresh database txt?

[eternal island]

bit late, but i also only got one lock up fairly early in... and then didnt. i then left it open same spot for 2 hours right around where i crashed to see if it would just happen doing nothing like mario 64, and no crash. no crashes since either. something i did caused the crash

what, i have no idea

[mild ether]

Good point, better make sure GoldenEye works first.

[eternal island]

seems different from mario 64 crashes

in that i can just afk and itll crash eventually

[remote hatch]

wow ! SM64 works great with this patch , thanks! , tell me something more about it ?

no crash with cache set to 0

great workaround for now

[mortal apex]

It's a bit of a happy accident. I meant to build the 60 fps version from source like yxkalle did, but I was on the wrong branch (main instead of m&m's). This is the repo if you want to check it out: https://github.com/FazanaJ/ultrasm64/tree/m%26m's

[remote hatch]

merci!

[short trellis]

When I played Starfox yesterday there was noticeable lag in the intro when some fog/clouds pass the Arwings, but in the new version it’s all smoooooth 👌

[mortal apex]

Mais de rien !

[orchid nimbus]

yum corn

I couldn't find the exit after killing the boss - the portal doesn't show up

[quaint rune]

I figured. I was just messing with ya 😂. I dunno if you were joking about the Deku tree because that was funny “he looked fine till he died”

[languid dune]

Some great improvements again today. Robert running at max speed as usual!

[orchid nimbus]

@vapid hawk got it

it happens right when the deku tree [spoilers]

[woeful grove]

do you mean real mister's 2560x1440p with the doubled horizontal? I think that's how the tink does it too?

or you can do 1920x1440p without the doubling

[paper orchid]

She still on the drugs, huh

[orchid nimbus]

yup

[dusty tusk]

Conjaenctivitus

[brisk drum]

No one is safe from the drug epidemic

[cunning mantle]

The tink doesn't do pixel repetition. It's full 2560x1440p. A bit overclocking is needed, but harmless as Mike said. Never had a single issue, heat related.

As i said, lazy LG won't support 1920x1440p on older models like the C9.

[muted schooner]

I was playing that today, and being a little baby zoomer I only played the 3ds version previously....I was wondering if she was supposed to look like that.

[dusty tusk]

"Touch the demon inside me"

[mild ether]

Can I do the 5x scaling thing on this core? Really clueless about it since I don't usually use HDMI.

[vapid hawk]

no it doesn't have anything like that in it yet

[zinc dew]

Reminder that Quest 64 is the goal of this core and once that’s working 100% we’re done here.

[cerulean elk]

You just straight up suck at spelling Bomberman Hero

[mild ether]

Wait, we need Vivid Dolls to be working as well. Top priority for the ladies.

[stuck sinew]

Did direct video break on the sept 10 core?

[zinc dew]

lol no kidding, people be feverish for a new build || me too ||

[mild ether]

He seems pretty motivated to get OOT working smoothly so that's pretty cool. Had no idea this would be working so well right away.

[swift sequoia]

Hello! iam using the xbox 360 controller wired but i cant get the analog to work

[dusty tusk]

Which MiSTer unstable are you on?

[zinc dew]

Make sure you set your controller up in the main menu

[devout belfry]

Would that mean any other working games would count as a side effect?

[zinc dew]

only as sacrifices to the glory that is Brian’s Quest 64

[tropic sand]

once Robert fixes the issue, there will need to be an eye patch to unfix it 😁

[zinc dew]

If y’all missed it earlier. Check the pins for an updated SNAC build.

That pinned comment will have new SNAC builds added when they become available.

[oblique remnant]

for the record with Vsync2 I get a sync on Capture and Monitor. My capture card reads 49.95hz but that's no the official timing yet I suppose

[zinc dew]

So all the coolest and most attractive people who obviously own Densha de Go train controllers can enjoy that game.

[mild ether]

Train controllers.. I need to see this.

[zinc dew]

🚂 💨

[dusty tusk]

I think I might be a vsync 1 convert honestly. Not having the resolution blackouts is nice

[mild ether]

Wow, that is really cool.

[swift sequoia]

I have setup the controller in main menu but cant get the analog to work in the core .

[mild ether]

Has a built in cup holder!

[zinc dew]

Dumb question but you also set the analog sticks right?

[desert crow]

N64 train. All Aboard

[zinc dew]

Also try a different controller and try a different usb port

[zinc dew]

God I want to get a pocket watch, only thing missing

[orchid nimbus]

@dusty tusk mind if I use this on the website? I'm going to put a page together with the best memes during this development cycle

[dusty tusk]

Yeah go ahead

[zinc dew]

lmao that’s awesome

[mild ether]

Is that what you put in the middle there?

[swift sequoia]

yes stick 1 and 2 is set up .

[dusty tusk]

I've seen people in Japan actually use pocket watches too

[oblique remnant]

better watch out for those then 🙂

[tropic sand]

Robert fixed the core...

[zinc dew]

Yah

[eternal ravine]

Now that is odd

[mild ether]

That's pretty cool, I never knew about this before.

[carmine kettle]

all onboard

[zinc dew]

Here’s a real train cockpit with pocket watch

In the middle

[dusty tusk]

Densha De Go channels Euro Truck and Microsoft Flight Sim energy. If you get it you get it.

[zinc dew]

That’s what conductors used to make sure they were on-time. Very high end and quality pocket watches

[dusty tusk]

Oh wow, Densha De Go Final got an English translation

[oblique remnant]

The gloves are also needed I guess .D

[stone pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DDW03K8UNs

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/japan-train-japanese-push-gif-10041832

[dusty tusk]

Gloves mask the sweat from how stressful that job can be

[brisk drum]

I’m sick of the glorification of the Tokyo rail system ..

[zinc dew]

I lived that on the chuo line lol

[tropic sand]

If that watch didn't have WiFi ... how did it connect to the time servers 🕵️

[dusty tusk]

Hurry, someone post footage of NYC rail

[brisk drum]

Is that why you want to relieve the experience ?

You wanna be packed in like a sardine next to a bunch strangers

[zinc dew]

isn’t that what this chat is

I quoted the wrong comment lol

[brisk drum]

Point taken

[eternal ravine]

Midnight Meat Train is NYC experience

[mild ether]

That is kinda what I expected taking the train in Seoul was going to be like and I was wrong. People were really orderly and oddly silent on a packed train.

[brisk drum]

Omg I would get in a Tokyo train before I would even attempt the ny subway system

[eternal ravine]

In NYC, you get trapped with some crazy smells in some cars

[primal bolt]

Ultra 64

[dusty tusk]

beware the smelly hecklers

[brisk drum]

Pretty cool how they redesigned the Tokyo subway system though .. https://youtube.com/shorts/5KED05Cylgk?si=xbd9J1jcM3DfZwuY

Cellular intelligence bro ..

[zenith orchid]

So once Brian 64 is 100% you and the other Brian 64 dorks will bugger off? 😂

@wanton sun new incentive 👍

[zinc dew]

there’s always room for one more!

join usssssss

[zenith orchid]

Will I be allowed to say the actual name in chat if I do?

[fair stump]

When you cut off the head of one meme game two more come back in its place

[brisk drum]

Daikatana is already fully functional .. so core is complete

[mild ether]

Team Vivid Dolls is recruiting!

[inner bronze]

We gettin a new build every day and people still hunger for more

[past mango]

CRT output looks wonderful now w/o using scaler

[inner bronze]

[brisk drum]

if you aren’t playing on a crt you ain’t true retro

[dusty tusk]

Only way to get native component N64 right?

[mild ether]

My RGB modded set is sick. 😢

[dusty tusk]

Bruh, they wouldn't let me bring my crt on the plane

[zinc dew]

Can’t save

[dusty tusk]

no save = no memories = no regrets

[remote hatch]

a true warrior finishes Daikatana without saving

[mortal apex]

It's almost impressive how much money was spent into developing that game considering the finished product

about 3 times oot's budget

[dusty tusk]

At least Deus Ex was good

[zenith orchid]

Speed run Daikatana? Leave the MiSTer on and buy another one?

[mild ether]

Found a game that doesn't work with the Brazil PIF!!! Dōbutsu no Mori

[zinc dew]

more like Dōbutsu no Worky

yeah ok I'm banning myself, that was super bad

[spare meadow]

Is there a game that only works with brazilian PIF?

[mild ether]

Not sure. I have just been using it to see if any NTSC games didn't work with it.

[viscid nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/utopia-gif-21647156

the world after mario 64 crashes stop

[zinc dew]

I am half tempted to put that as part of the top pin

but then there's no pressure to get it fixed if we all use a work around 👀

[viscid nebula]

should be an easy fix -> if crash (do not crash)

[ember linden]

robert is hard at work putting those if-else statements all over the rdp

[viscid nebula]

[orchid nimbus]

Mario?

[ember linden]

Dobutsu no Mori runs fantastic but without RTC I don't want to stick with it yet, getting annoyed with the clock setup on boot every time

[languid dune]

Seeing Drake Lake in Wave Race 64 looking good now is just

[zinc dew]

Oh hey, today's build also fixed all other mesh transparencies so Diddy Kong Racing is look fantastic.

[languid dune]

A good day for water!

[viscid nebula]

"Just a normal update"

[languid dune]

One could say that this was a very moist update.

[viscid nebula]

[languid dune]

Now if only we could get Excitebike 64 and 1080 Snowboarding working! Well without save states anyway.

[quaint rune]

Now that I think of it, talon looks a lot like Mario’s dad now instead of Mario

[mild ether]

And Vivid Dolls.

[languid dune]

Yeah, that was intentional. Love that Charles Martinet voiced him in the movie.

[orchid nimbus]

"nice weather ey"

[quaint rune]

So they made his dad look like talon who’s supposed to be a Mario look alike!?

[dusty tusk]

Man, hearing Charles Martinet as Mario in Super Mario 64 is so nostalgic now.

[languid dune]

Wa! Hoo hoo! Yipeee!

[quaint rune]

Never noticed the bowser necklace till now either. trippy

[desert crow]

is there any pictures on the wall in the other room there? looking through the window

[orchid nimbus]

oh I didn't look

[languid dune]

There are indeed.

[mild ether]

Lodgenet program for erasing memory is a quick way to test for function in the core it seems.

no flash though.

or pak.

[stuck summit]

IIRC Talon and Ingo are the two characters that Miyamoto actually designed for the game. Somebody on the team jokingly said "but you just drew mario and luigi" and in return he made them look even more like Mario and Luigi. Saw it in an episode of DYKG

from some interview in a japanese magazine of the time

[quaint rune]

That’s pretty neat

[dusty tusk]

Nah, someone else

[stone pilot]

first game without him

Or more precisely, first game to use someone else for Mario's voice

[dusty tusk]

Also, Shigeru lied. His first game was mario teaches typing

[cerulean elk]

5 minutes to more 64 shenanigans lol

[stone pilot]

The man, bless him, built a career out of yelling wahoo. I hope he enjoys his gradual retirement

[frigid dirge]

Thanks for posting this patch! Super Mario 64 (USA) patched with this runs at a solid 30fps for me.

[mild ether]

And being all about throwing gay bowsers.

[languid dune]

Martinet does a lot of voices actually. He did Paarthurnax in Skyrim.

[plush summit]

Charles is getting that WWE Legends contract

[languid dune]

Crazy that this is Mario's voice.
https://youtu.be/XpgLDjLwego?si=EjAjqlHHQWdr0YnF

[quaint rune]

Why is kung Lao in that photo

[dusty tusk]

All his famous characters

[cerulean elk]

https://youtu.be/sXkdJgK3m4o?si=CzJFMvEJ9rs8h8sk

Heyo

[mild ether]

I can't believe how many games are already playing perfect.

[stone pilot]

I wonder if Robert's daughter knows people refer to her dad as "not a real human"

[dusty tusk]

Probably more like "kein echter Mensch"

[thorn flax]

anyone else here using the htgdb collection?

[worn delta]

Yeah, a lot of us are

Used for the testing sheet

[thorn flax]

and do you have issues with the database txt not selecting the right cic for game

as in

[mortal panther]

Nope, not so far.

[languid dune]

You said the word F-Zero in the video, so it's a win in my book.

[thorn flax]

it'll fire up mario kart because that's a default.

but not Ocarina

which requires manual adjustment

I wonder if my md5 hashes are corrupted ever so slightly

[worn delta]

What options on OOT?

[dusty tusk]

I was finally able to get a mario 64 patch working

[stone pilot]

the updated database at https://vampier.net/N64/ is expanded with the weird stuff like SM64 no-face hacks - it might have your version of OoT

[dusty tusk]

DK64 is still bunk

[worn delta]

Also, do you have the most up to date .txt file?

[thorn flax]

black screen until I manually change the cic and reset the core

[thorn flax]

i pulled a fresh one today as a precaution

[mortal panther]

What CIC value did you choose for it?

[worn delta]

And you have unstable main?

[cerulean elk]

At this rate F Zero is for you lol

[thorn flax]

damn it

is that it

[stone pilot]

yep

[thorn flax]

ahhh I've become that guy

[worn delta]

If you use the update script on FAQ it will swap to the unstable build

[dusty tusk]

This one finally worked for me

[stone pilot]

I was that guy earlier too - I thought it was only needed if you were using byteswapped ROMs

but nope, you 100% need unstable main right now

[thorn flax]

on it

love you all

[twin barn]

looks to see if Paper Mario is playable yet

carry on

[mild ether]

Found another game that won't load with the Brazil PIF.

Fushigi no Dungeon - Fuurai no Shiren 2 - Oni Shuurai! Shiren Jou! (Japan)

[twin barn]

the one game that i love dearly on the system lol

this is how it was with valkyrie profile during the psx core development, the second i could play through it, i powered through till the end lol

[wicked granite]

Thats great. Also the latest build now works with vsync_adjust=2 in PAL - so the problem seems to have been solved.

[languid dune]

Sadly, it'll probably be awhile since it uses TLB.

[twin barn]

yeah, no biggie, not that sad

looks like robert said 2-3% bram space will be used for TLB when it's implemented. that's pretty chunky. Seems like it's just a big lookup table pretty much, just it might be something custom for the n64 chip so possibly not fully understood currently.

[vapid hawk]

did you finish a race in hydro thunder? it froze for me at the end of the race

ah ok you got a freeze eventually

[little bane]

This game runs on my Brazilian Nintendo 64

[daring meteor]

Proper PAL-M?

[mild ether]

Really?? This is interesting. I am going to have to investigate this further now and make sure I am setup correctly.

[little bane]

Yep, via everdrive, There is only a special config to save via everdrive

[dusty tusk]

gosh dang, n64 monopoly is a vibe

[mellow path]

Does the cache delay of 10 cause issues elsewhere? Or is it safe to have that set for every game?

[little bane]

Sure, I was playing it, it's a shame that my PVM turned all white, I have no option to play my original consoles, and so it was already running here to show

[mild ether]

Does Animal Forest work?

[worn delta]

Does your Brazilian model definitely have the Brazilian .pif?

[worn delta]

It does, and the translation patch version, it looks great but you can't save (I don't think as it is flash?) And there is no RTC so your game won't progress much after initial play.

[mild ether]

I mean with the Brazil PIF. Only 2 games that are NTSC have complained about the Brazil PIF and animal forest was the other.

Trying to get a list of NTSC games that detect it and don't work.

[worn delta]

Have you tried to see if the 4 Brazil games work any different with it over the regular NTSC one?

[mild ether]

Not yet.

Just keeping the Brazil one on for all my testing to see how it works.

[eternal island]

yeah mario 64 with that patch someone posted earlier makes it run flawlessly

[compact depot]

Flawless? No random freezes?

[eternal island]

been playing for a bit. no audio crackles, no freezes, nothing

[compact depot]

Which patch is that?

[eternal island]

ultra sm64. someone posted it a bit further up

search ultra. will probably find it

[compact depot]

No avail here

[mild ether]

Hoshi no Kirby 64

Now this one is really intresting! The US NTSC version works just fine while the Japan version does not work with the Brazil PIF.

[compact depot]

Thanks a lot!

[eternal island]

i did have to load original mario 64 to grab the settings before loading it

[twin barn]

how accurate was mupen64's TLB instruction definitions? https://github.com/simple64/simple64/blob/main/mupen64plus-core/src/device/r4300/mips_instructions.def#L1186-L1338 i see simple64 is using it which is focused on accuracy, maybe it's a temporary solution for now

[regal prism]

super mario

[mortal apex]

You're welcome 😁

[mortal apex]

Played for a couple hours without any freeze. The only thing I noticed was some glitchy textures but it's very infrequent

[stuck sinew]

is direct video on the n64 core not working now?

It worked on the last update (but with offset pixels each line) but this one I'm getting nothing at all (F12 menu will show but the game doesn't start)

[mild ether]

That is a awfully large uhh patch. 🙂

[mortal apex]

I know, I'm feeling a bit awkward posting it here tbh.

Maybe we should remove this one and the multiplayer splitscreen patch to be safe. They probably contain a significant portion of the actual rom.

[eternal island]

now that ya mention it

thats almost the full size of the rom

i removed it

[eternal island]

was the noface patch applied along side this, or just the patch itself to the US copy

[mortal apex]

The ultrasm64 version? It seems like building the rom using the code on main removed it for me and the other person who tried. No need to apply the no face patch.

[eternal island]

wonder if the patch on their google doc removes it

[mortal apex]

Same, I deleted both patches, didn't want to take a chance and ruin everyone's fun over something that stupid

[eternal island]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1Ur7Zvy7fkcGRNWvze0Bi46d_-wXCzY3XhJgLgGv5mM4/mobilebasic

Might be better to just link this if it works

that one demands you enable the expansion pack

[red blade]

This pleases me greatly!

[inner garden]

analog stick still not working on the core

what on earth could it be

will take any theories

it’s horrible lol

[dusty tusk]

The 42B patch is all that's really needed to get past the head and should be safe to leave in the discord

[weary beacon]

You need to assign "tilt" in the main menu controller options, not the core options

[zinc dew]

https://x.com/quest64official/status/1700666679263388049

Quest 64 Official (@Quest64Official)

Likes

283

Twitter · Sep 10, 2023, 12:25 AM

[elfin relic]

I think I still have my SuperPad somewhere, I remember actually liking it because the stick never wore out

[inner garden]

how? I remapped in main menu options a million times

[mild ether]

Leave it to Mad Catz to make an already awkward design even more awkward.

[inner garden]

tried many controllers

[paper orchid]

SuperPad Plus is OP

[inner garden]

even bluetooth

[topaz otter]

The shaft on that pad is steel and i'm pretty sure the mechanism is analog

[inner garden]

it was working but then totally stopped

now it is impossible to make it work even though the main menu detects the analog sticks

[weary beacon]

Not sure then. My buttons worked but not analog until I mapped it on main menu, maybe the cfg file has an issue. You could try deleting the controller config and start over. I'm using a blisster, but xbox worked via usb too after testing

[inner garden]

which exact file should I delete? I will try

[weary beacon]

I tried the UltraSMA64 patch and no crash, the game seems more stable than the original 👍

[compact depot]

It seems much more stable! What does this patch do exactly?

[dusty tusk]

Does N64 use the last set of stick options at the very end of mister main mapping procedure?

[mortal apex]

@weary beacon @compact depot It's a recompilation from this source: https://github.com/FazanaJ/ultrasm64/tree/master

[brisk drum]

Anybody beat hexen yet ?

[remote hatch]

Yes , works perfectly

[weary beacon]

I'm not sure off the top of my head sorry. its in the cfg folder though. Havn't done it in a while.

[inner garden]

wait so there’s a tilt at the very end?

I just saw it because someone said

why put it there? ok but let’s see if it fixes it

IT WORKS

https://tenor.com/view/ted-dibiase-million-dollar-man-evil-laugh-laughing-laugh-gif-25270774

[weary beacon]

That was me. Glad it worked. Enjoy!

[dusty tusk]

Nice. Yeah try to map as many things as possible with that thing. You never know what might use the more obscure options

[inner garden]

thank you

[worn delta]

That's very odd, I wonder why that is

[fair stump]

Fixing joystick mapping is the last true test to become a mister owner. You have passed 🫡

[worn delta]

I suspect you get the same message when you switch to PAL?

[mild ether]

It's only been Japanese titles so far.

[worn delta]

I mean the PAL bios

[mild ether]

I am assuming.

[worn delta]

You can presumably switch to it in the menu and check

[inner garden]

Even though I have a fresh get of the core and in theory the database and stuff is set to auto, it seems like less games are booting for me. Like Smash Bros. and F-Zero X no dice

[worn delta]

If you have it set to boot1.rom

[worn delta]

Check the sheet for compatibility

[inner garden]

Had a freeze in Mario 64 no face near the beginning before entering castle but second run after reset it got farther but froze again

[mild ether]

Oh yeah I forgot about that.

[worn delta]

The Brazil .pif is technically PAL isn't it?

[compact depot]

Use the nofreeze patch

[compact depot]

NTSC

[mild ether]

The thing is that the Brazil PIF does not trigger the known games that check for it usually like Earthworm Jim.

[manic basin]

Brazil is PAL-M / SECAM ... pretty sure.

[compact depot]

Not the PIF

[mild ether]

The Brazil PIF is for PAL-M

[cerulean elk]

Ahh SECAM. Not a word I expected to hear today

I don’t miss the days of having to deliver PAL versions of ski docs for Europe and France. Never looked good

[compact depot]

PAL-M is a hacked NTSC

[red blade]

I can't get anywhere with mario. I've tried a few times and get crashes right after "itsame" with noface. But given the sheer amount of stuff that is working who cares?!

[compact depot]

Nothing to do with EUR PAL at all

It’s 60Hz and shit

[manic basin]

Ah, do they squish it or actually add the extra lines?

[mild ether]

The thing is that PAL-M is the exact same resolution as NTSC with only difference being the color encoding.

[manic basin]

I only know Brazil from Sega land.

Gotcha

[compact depot]

It’s technically NTSC with differences in how color is encoded

[eternal island]

make sure you are patching the lodgenet version

[mild ether]

That's why I figured it was going to work with all NTSC roms since it's 60 hz and the same resolution

[red blade]

I'll do some further research tnx

[mild ether]

And that seems to be mostly true with few exceptions

[tidal zenith]

is this going to get committed to main so we dont have to keep a new version?

(eventually)

[mild ether]

Like the Aleck 64 has NTSC PIF but there is no way to encode NTSC on the arcade board it's just plain RGB 525 lines 59.94 hz

[compact depot]

@inner garden @red blade use this over a clean USA ROM (NOT LodgeNet)

This is the definitive patch and it should be pinned!

This should be called NOFREEZE patch!

[mild ether]

It's a really big patch though..

[compact depot]

I can zip it

🙃

[lone geyser]

A complicated question I am unqualified to answer but I can tell you what I've been told be a few different people. It's been relayed to me that Sorg is justifiably reluctant to merge the changes because the check for the n64 core happens in every core and he'd prefer it remain agnostic where possible (i.e. keep it out of the main input loop). It could probably be implemented on the FPGA side in some fashion without too much hassle except for the autodection of actual stick range

[mild ether]

No, I mean it seems like it's the entire rom.

[compact depot]

🤔

[tidal zenith]

bummer, it works so well.

[mild ether]

Yeah that should definitely be on a archive somewhere.

Very nice

[compact depot]

I will leave for @zinc dew to decide. That's what he's paid for! 😄

[mild ether]

Yep, if you want to make the big bucks. I hope it's good.

[zinc dew]

Updated the Fully Playable pin to point to that patch. Thank you.

[manic basin]

Well, it's excellent regardless. Thank you.

[compact depot]

Best mod ever! 😄

(when he's not posting...)

[zinc dew]

I am not. Y’all do the hard work. I’m just doing what’s expected.

[mild ether]

Was he talking about you or the patch.🤔

[manic basin]

If this is a Wayne's World reference, I can die (in Mario) happy.

Doubly so if it's Hot Fuzz.

[zinc dew]

Sorry, what I meant to say is I do nothing deserving of merit. I’m just doing what’s expected. The hard work the community puts in is really the most deserving of praise. Coordinated community efforts like this are really special. It’s both helpful and encouraging to everyone else. It goes behind just helping each other and serves as inspiration.

[mild ether]

Just being a smartass. 😄

[compact depot]

Oh c'mon robbie boy... hahaha

[eternal island]

i wonder what is done differently in that patch vs the actual game

maybe itll help with finding out what causes the freeze

[compact depot]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

[brisk edge]

The madcatz one still gives me nightmares, same with the SuperPad

[versed cairn]

What does ultra add? Coop? Optimizations?

[zinc dew]

@cerulean elk has anyone told you how cool your videos are today?

Well this joke isn’t funny if he doesn’t respond lol

[compact depot]

No freezes. Allegedly

[viscid gate]

I did get a freeze with that patch but a lot more play before it eventually did

[worldly quartz]

wow surprised banjo is completable

also can someone fix the japanese name of sin and punishment, it has the result than the name

[rose elbow]

scary!!!

[raven lion]

Nice just decided to give this a go today great FAQ and folks here I got it working. Look forward to future versions and testing this is amazing.

[devout leaf]

Any new discoveries in the last 24 hours?

Since the community is nuts and taking the mister to its limits.

[mild ether]

The Brazil PIF doesn't work with some Japanese games. That's all I found.

And there is a good new patch for SM64.

[delicate hearth]

Can you imagine this core getting proper 64DD disk support? God, that’s the dream for me

[vapid hawk]

it froze for me lol

[eternal ravine]

Now that I have everything in places and have tested some games, can I simply run the N64 updater script to keep up with the core releases?

[vapid hawk]

in the little swimming level - not the big one with the shipwreck but the smaller bonus level next to it

[delicate hearth]

Real disk loading and swapping between DD games would be unprecedented since even software emulators still can’t do it

[desert crow]

new snac build in the pins if you want to try it

[mild ether]

Forgot about that.

[desert crow]

it will be obsolete soon when Robert fixes more stuff so better try now 🙂

[worn delta]

I doubt there will be space for that, but maybe a sister core with things not needed stripped out could be doable (but I am no expert) or maybe on MiSTer 2 on whatever bigger board eventually comes next.

I think the tricky part will be for games like F Zero which need the N64 cart loaded as well

[delicate hearth]

Yeah, it’s mostly a pipe dream, but maybe at least LuigiBlood’s DD-to-cart conversions might work

I can definitely imagine it’d be difficult to load 2 disks or a cart and a disk in RAM, yeah ><

[worn delta]

I think some of them are showing signs of life already

[desert crow]

SM64 DD cart conversion works, and doesn't have the stretchy face

[delicate hearth]

That’s great news!!

[desert crow]

thought someone else got one or more of the other DD games to boot, but not sure on that

[worn delta]

I think I tested them a few builds back...

[delicate hearth]

Once Polygon Studio is working, I’ll be all set 😛

It’d be cool to see mouse support for that, but I don’t expect that to happen realistically

[worn delta]

I did one and it was playable but didn't have time to test others, if anyone wants to test them on today's board be interesting to see what is working now from the 64DD tab. Most haven't been tested in a good few builds

[delicate hearth]

I’ll give it a shot later!

[devout leaf]

I wish. I’m waiting for surgery in the morning. No mister for a week so I’ll be living through you all haha. Curious where the core will be lol

Thank you though!

[desert crow]

oh dang, hope you're ok. Bet more stuff is booting and playable by the next time you try the core

[fair stump]

Good luck! If you have any games you want me to test with new builds feel free to ping me

[dusty tusk]

God speed. (see if they have any spare crt monitors)

[devout leaf]

Dang thanks. I just need some repairs on my abdominal wall. I’ll just be laid out on the couch. Thank you for the offer I’m mostly wanting SSSV and I think that needs something major.

[ripe cargo]

Im checking 64DD conversions now

[worn delta]

Good stuff

Understandably people are more testing the more exciting US retail releases and JP exclusives, but would be good to get more eyes on the obscure stuff, a lot of which hasn't been tested or tested for a good while

[marble cargo]

I'm guessing the green tint of the water is caused by a texture instruction not being implemented yet?

It's supposed to be more blue.

[ripe cargo]

No luck on 64DD. Same results as current spreadsheet data

[nimble needle]

Woah never heard of this before. Looks batshit bananas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y16GGzvwHXY&t=1070s Python-esque humour

[worn delta]

Ah, good to know. Did you update the entries?

[dusty tusk]

I've been checking F-Zero X Expansion Kit each build

Nothing yet, but that'll likely be one of the first to begin working once more of the core is implemented

[delicate hearth]

It’s got a whole open world vehicle building exploration game built in as a bonus, it’s WILD

I definitely recommend checking it out when it becomes playable!

[dusty tusk]

DD games are kind of a tragedy for how interesting they are. Very Wario Ware in tone

[delicate hearth]

Absolutely, so ambitious during a time and place when no one was paying much attention to the N64

[ripe cargo]

Aleck 64 games are same results as the spreadsheet as well

[marble cargo]

Kind of appropriate, since one of the modes in a game was basically a prototype WarioWare.

[dusty tusk]

Yep yep

[jade jetty]

yeah! nice! 😄 just got my snax and cables, and was a little bummed I couldn't try new cores with it.
so timely 😄

[eternal island]

turok works? i thought it used tlb

[nimble needle]

Yeah can't wait. So off the wall. Saw the bones of Mario Maker in there too

[worn delta]

If you want access to be able to update the sheet with your findings just request access, be great to get your findings logged and save duplicate testing

[brisk drum]

@zinc dew DENSHA DE BROKE!

[ripe cargo]

For sure! I checking translations now

[vapid hawk]

turok1 definitely works, not sure if 2 or 3 needs tlb

[brisk drum]

2 , 3 and rage wars still don’t boot

Hexen has been amusing to play for a while

[vapid hawk]

wipeout64 seems flawless

[brisk drum]

Word

Wish they woulda made a sequel on the n64

[worn delta]

Nice one! That's your set up

Prototypes and Tools probably overdue a check if you are on a roll

[carmine kettle]

snac n64 core marvelous

8bitdo diy controller

[ripe cargo]

Sounds good. Hopefully won't take long to get approved. Don't want to check too much until I can log everything. Then, I'll be on it!

[obsidian cosmos]

Anyone got the fzero expansion with a translation patch working?

[ripe cargo]

lol. Well think I got approved so here we go!

@worn deltaCan the Ultra Super Mario 64 patched rom be added to the hacks section? The patch was released here earlier today.

[worn delta]

I am reluctant to add anything that isn't part of a pack as it opens floodgates

[zinc dew]

This is beautiful

American ingenuity at its finest!

🫡🇺🇸🦅

[brisk drum]

I salute thee as well sir

It’s a Casio btw

[orchid nimbus]

On way home 😉

[quaint rune]

I wonder if that’s the same place during that one driving scene in the naked gun movie with nelson leslie

[little bane]

Never try

[orchid nimbus]

Yup - everywhere I look something reminds me of her

[little bane]

Yep, Including my dump was one that the no-intro used to compare because they hadn't dumped it until the other day

[orchid nimbus]

San Onofre Nuclear Power Plant

[ripe cargo]

OK no problem

[brisk drum]

Woah check out the giant boobs in the background!

[fair stump]

Any more games that can be marked as completable on the sheet?

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-and-butt-head-boing-cartoon-bands-gif-17670720

[orchid nimbus]

https://youtu.be/rbDebihKbpo?si=dD_c7dpp7FkwtToI

[brisk drum]

I seen the naked gun movies

[orchid nimbus]

Yes

[brisk drum]

My favorite scene is the shoot out and car chase

[eternal ravine]

I think Top Secret is the best of that subgenre

[whole ocean]

Trying to map controls on the controller I have and only the only stick that responds is c stick. The main stick does not work. Anything I might be doing wrong?

[boreal bobcat]

How about Repossessed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQINQcIWOc

My governor Jessie "The Body" is in it

[zinc dew]

Remap your controller in the main MiSTer menu, make sure the main stick is mapped as stick 1.

[whole ocean]

Ah there we go got it working. Thanks!

[ripe cargo]

Japanese controller test program seems to be working

[brisk drum]

Hotshots is better

[brisk edge]

Is it though

[cerulean elk]

Mean Gene!

[modern sleet]

If anyone is curious about Analog out for some of the games, the timing is still a bit off so if you see images that are squeezed dont worry, it will get fixed in later builds

Image on the right is the current build, on the left is with some timing hacks. dont mind the color as well, im testing using YC

[brisk drum]

I’m sure it’s gonna look sick on the old Toshiba!

[modern sleet]

It already looks better than a stock n64

[dense chasm]

Got the cheapo wireless controller, but i current have a cat on my lap so legally I cannot move.

Will hopefully have some time to try and hook it up tonight

[marble cargo]

Just unlocked Adventure Two in Diddy Kong Racing.

[inner garden]

SSB Remix 60 FPS