Nintendo 64

[native mesa]

I prefer my aliases aliased

[cerulean elk]

I spend a lot more time talking about fog

[brisk drum]

I’m pro aliasing

[cerulean elk]

the thing you can see in motion. That fringe (as in edges. not fringe as in minor improvements) just does not read in motion and with YT compression

[brisk drum]

I said fuck it and started playing majoras mask on my gc .. less ocarinas but more game

At least I’ll be ready to complete the game and test when the core becomes more stable

[native mesa]

I bet you could port your save over if you're crafty enough

[chrome quest]

I don't think the AA added is anti aliasing. Not yet

[native mesa]

It's more of a texture blending

The AA people know and hate is the dedither filter

[dusty tusk]

I use scanline filters, I find the difference to be negligible honestly

[weary palm]

Why is there anti aliasing between some of the polygons then?

[native mesa]

Idk Robert explained it earlier

[dusty tusk]

This Airbnb also has the couch about 20 miles away from the TV though

[fair stump]

Try to Transfar™️ your majoras mask save. Let us know how it goes

[native mesa]

Is that Nobuo Uematsu

[fair stump]

It's shigeru miyamoto

[brisk drum]

For the record I’m not crafty at all

I thought it was the guy who made sonic

[native mesa]

Hayao Miyazaki

[fair stump]

Ain't that guy in prison

[brisk drum]

Si

[quaint rune]

That’s hideous Kojima

[brisk drum]

Japanese prison

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-say-sherlock-no-kidding-benedict-cumberbatch-gif-5343846

[quaint rune]

Mhm. Creator of pac man

[brisk drum]

I thought it was emperor Hirohito himself

[native mesa]

Paku Manu

Hes not in jail Kentaro Miura is ded

[rose elbow]

love checking out new n64 test builds at 8am .. feels very Quickly Playing sega and nintendo before school vibes :D

[brisk drum]

That’s the vibe exactly

[mortal panther]

It's a blending mode between two non-transparent polygons that was implemented. It gives an anti-aliasing effect, but it's not true anti-aliasing.

[brisk drum]

We are the eternal child

[rose elbow]

is this new blending aa an option in the OSD?

[mortal panther]

No. That's different, and has been there a while.

[cold pollen]

YOU'RE DIFFERENT AND HAVE BEEN HERE A WHILE

[mortal panther]

Damn... I got tolt!

[rose elbow]

all good, it's baked in by default?

[mortal panther]

Think so, yeah.

[rose elbow]

thx

[quaint rune]

terminator theme tun tun tun t tun….. tun tun tun t tun…..

[fair stump]

Cruis'n USA seems really fun I'm surprised it reviewed poorly. Though I never played the arcade version before

The arcade version must be excellent

[rose elbow]

LOL i had the same sort of realization at some point pretty recently too

[cerulean elk]

it reviewed poorly because it was a large downgrade from the arcade

and Nintendo blew smoke up everyone's ass claimingg it ran on Ultra 64

[brisk drum]

Wasn’t that big of a downgrade , and the game sold well , personally I have fond memories of it ..

The sequels didn’t review well as I recall since they were all more of the same but nowadays I feel the sequels are superior to the og

[rose elbow]

i would've been around 7 i think when i got my 64 and i honestly dont know if i even ever rented it. i think the 'look' of the game just put me off when compared to mario kart and more fantasticical looking silly stuff

similar thing with pilotwings 64. i always just thought the game looked ugly and massive downgrade from the SNES game which i loved. only checked it out properly more recently and i quite enjoy it ahah

[brisk drum]

Different socioeconomic status because everyone I know growing up that had a 64 had crusn USA and wcw vs nwo revenge

[rose elbow]

aha

yeah i don't know how i missed Crusn USA but it just completely passed me by

i was fully aware of it and just chose to never even touch it

[dusty tusk]

I think it also came at a time when people expected a bit more game than the 15-45 minute arcade experience.

[rose elbow]

maybe it has something to do with it being an old 1994 Arcade game being re-marketed in 1996/1997, and in a really subconcious level as a kid .. i could see it looked 'dated' without really being able to finger on why aha

[brisk drum]

I never owned it as a kid because I was super into everything Pokémon at the time

[azure hatch]

Did you pick up the pocket or the playdate? I just got my pocket the other day, should have playdate in a couple of days. Not that I really needed either one as we're spoiled to death with portables legit or otherwise now.

[brisk drum]

It’s insane how many games midway published on the n64

[rose elbow]

ya

y'know, sometimes kids are just dumb

maybe i never played Crusin' coz i was dumb 🤷‍♂️ LOL

[brisk drum]

Had they focused on the psx instead they would probably still be in business

[azure hatch]

Oh seems I replied to something old haha I'm all caught up now on this chat >.<

[rose elbow]

i had a preorder on the pocket for a good few months and then cancelled to fund something else LOL

[brisk drum]

As a kid I was subject to what my parents deemed appropriate

[rose elbow]

that sports lady at the start of the race is the devil!!!

[dusty tusk]

Only my rich cousin had an N64. We were "stuck" with a ps1

[thick terrace]

it's easy to get lost in the chat, posts come fast and furious sometimes.

[brisk drum]

It’s cool I got to play mk4 and the wrassslin games at a friends house

[azure hatch]

I had thought about canceling both at different times given how long they took to deliver. Glad I waited though, especially the playdate because it'll be a new experience.

[rose elbow]

my parents gave pretty close to 0 fucks about what i played/watched

there was just a cruisin'USA bias i dunno why

[azure hatch]

When you look back on that now, do you think of that as a good thing or bad?

[rose elbow]

probably a good thing tbh

[azure hatch]

I've kind of become the adult I would hated as a kid >.<

[rose elbow]

there's like a few handful of instances where i can't wrap my head around the decisions but for the most part i think it just makes u smarter or more cultured or something

[azure hatch]

mainly because if I did have kids, I wouldn't wanna set them up to get diabetes

[rose elbow]

not that im smart or cultured or anything

but i feel like showing kids nasty stuff kinda makes them more sympathetic or empathetic maybe? i dunno, im no scientist or professional LOL

[zinc dew]

hahahahaha

[rose elbow]

we need N64 style adverts specifying what works on the MiSTer builds

[dusty tusk]

Blues Brothers is a trip

[rose elbow]

Play These Today

[rocky spindle]

It's kind of too bad today's AA update won't be a toggle. You can already see the vaseline beginning to smear its way back. :/

[desert nest]

I'm ready to be dunked into the 55 gal drum of Vaseline.

[versed cairn]

this really is nothing compared to the AA blur. honestly it looks really good

[azure hatch]

I got my first apartment and bought the N64 with my first pay check along with Mario 64 and Doom 64, then shortly after OOT. Crazy how much things have changed since then.

[versed cairn]

this is the real blur AA and it will be a toggle

[cerulean elk]

hey Castlevania...cant wait for that to boot

[dusty tusk]

At TV to couch distance, I think it's fine.

[uncut gyro]

Can Gpt-4 trained on verilog optimize code yet?

[brisk drum]

Cannot wait till I can play some castlevania on the core

[azure hatch]

Having flashbacks of the wave and the rumble attachment O.O

[dusty tusk]

Bakc then Charles Martinet was the voice for Mario

[versed cairn]

underrated game honestly. Not as horrible as people make it out to be

[azure hatch]

I always liked it

[thick terrace]

I have a 43" hdtv as my monitor, 2 feet from me.

[rose elbow]

i'm keen to try castlevania 64

[dusty tusk]

Didn't the sequel essentially include both games

[rose elbow]

in a way but it opens differently

[zenith orchid]

so, any improvement in game compatibility with this build?

[rose elbow]

i think the first half of the sequel is pretty remixed

[dusty tusk]

Not that I can tell

[brisk drum]

I think if Sram saves are implemented wcw vs nwo revenge will boot

[versed cairn]

I think you unlock the two characters from the first game later on. and it re-uses a bunch of places. I've only really played the first game

[thick terrace]

We got spoiled a couple days ago when suddenly dozens of new games started working

[zenith orchid]

maybe even the US versions of the iQue games

sram seems to be the next biggest floodgates

[brisk drum]

Agreed

[dusty tusk]

No visuals, but I think body harvest is technically running. There's audio and it's reactive. It's just black screen

[versed cairn]

looking at comparisons I wonder if theres a AA intensity setting that different games used. some games look way more blured then others

[zenith orchid]

did you try disabling write to Z? that works with hexen

[dusty tusk]

Just tried, no dice. Nice to know logically it's running. We just need more gpu implemented

Hang on, just restarted the core. I see graphics!

Very slow though

[fair stump]

Body harvest is running just very slowly

It had an issue with being very washed out until the fog update

This is it now

[thick terrace]

how many more shader things still need to be done?

[native mesa]

Haha maybe you can convince Robert

[tidal zenith]

you have to love n64 for what it is

all vaseliney

[night saddle]

It is the way

[native mesa]

Nah, worst case scenario someone can do a build with it removed

[versed cairn]

I did cover the dithering very well

gradients looked great

[tidal zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[versed cairn]

but very blurry

[rocky spindle]

I love the texture filtering. It’s impossible for me to play with it off. It makes the 3D look sub-Sega Saturn quality. 😅

[brisk drum]

Once you figure out how to drift rr64 is actually fun

[fair stump]

Crazy how I see Kemco come up constantly on n64 games but have never seen them on any other system

[elfin relic]

kemco turned to pumping out mobile games

[marble cargo]

Kemco is the video game company of all time.

[mortal panther]

And Saturn quality is bad enough! Sub-Saturn is 🤢 .

[thick terrace]

I just turn scan lines on everything.

[devout belfry]

Werent they on NES a lot?

[elfin relic]

in Japan they were https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kemco_games

[fair stump]

Probably, my NES experience is pretty shallow though

[elfin relic]

you can see right around 2004/2005 they mostly stop with consoles and start doing mobile games

[versed cairn]

still some monster rancher and ninja gaiden

oh, those aren't even on this list

[hearty oar]

that was Tecmo lol

[versed cairn]

oh kemco

LOL

wtf my brain

[hearty oar]

I totally understand

[lilac scroll]

Wait Robert already implemented AA??

[versed cairn]

edge smoothing between two polygons. not the full screen de-dither AA

honestly I had no idea it was a thing till today. n64 was wild for 1996

[hearty oar]

it was easily the most forward looking console for a while as far as the graphics pipeline was concerned

[cerulean elk]

I was about to start a new playthrough on Steam Deck but now I’m gonna wait

Maybe try and transport my save back and forth haha

[amber saffron]

Holy crap, just fired up the latest version

Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64 play so damn close to perfect

[dusty tusk]

You can do donuts if you hold a and b while turning

[languid dune]

I have a Playdate. Had it since April of last year. It's a fun little device. The screen on that thing is pin sharp.

[dusty tusk]

You cna also use L to change music volume which is something I don't remember

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/davechappelle-chappelleshow-prince-angry-mad-gif-4798964

Me reading this comment

Virtua fighter 2

[cerulean elk]

Coming on hard and trying to start a fight

[cerulean elk]

Are we gonna stand for that?

[brisk drum]

That would be a video all on it’s own

[versed cairn]

psx, saturn and n64 are all their own special little snowflakes with their own quarks. lets love them all

[brisk drum]

Hell na!

[neat sierra]

So an orgy

[brisk drum]

@rocky spindle go play some virtua fighter 2 on the Saturn rn

[neat sierra]

Eyes wide shut style except Mario got no eyes

[brisk drum]

Saturn is clearly superior

[rocky spindle]

Yeah, obvs. VF2, Sega Rally, and maybe Virtua Cop are the outliers.

[brisk drum]

Also no Vaseline smear on the Saturn

[cerulean elk]

Saturn is a planet. N64 is just a letter and a number

[neat sierra]

Also Saturn is superior

[brisk drum]

Let’s see psx handle mvc1

Everything capcom on psx is inferior

[versed cairn]

Saturn fans are always ready to fight lol

[brisk drum]

To the death bro

[balmy dagger]

I got you on this, Taco. Saturn blood brothers.

[zinc dew]

Wow, the left looks so good.

who would want the artificial blocks on the right. People aren’t made of legos!

[brisk drum]

Saturn has lots of unique games that would be impossible on psx

[balmy dagger]

Unpossible

[neat sierra]

Duh, cells

[versed cairn]

unlike the psx and saturn the dithering on the n64 was never ment to be seen and looks so gross. I really do like the AA

[zinc dew]

They must not have any transparencies then

[neat sierra]

Meat legos

[brisk drum]

Honestly I don’t get why we console brothers fight , we should focus our ire on classic pc gamers

AMIGA IS OVERRATED !

[balmy dagger]

It's mostly because of Robby.

[quaint rune]

I just play good bideo games on whatever system, baby.

[zinc dew]

we should embrace the faults and celebrate them instead of being angry

[neat sierra]

Robby wants a hug

[brisk drum]

Yeah Robby has caused a rift between the console family

A console schism if you will ..

Go ahead google schism .. I’ll wait

[neat sierra]

Orgy is back on

[brisk drum]

Get your orgy masks on folks

[brisk drum]

He right doe

[fair stump]

Will this work?

[brisk drum]

No

[quaint rune]

Isn’t that doods name pigma ?

[brisk drum]

I guess maybe

[rose elbow]

which is better?
Orgy Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber
Tactics Orgy: Let Us Cling Together

[eternal island]

what do you mean, i thought these games were all for mister

whats an n64

[fair stump]

You're right, this may be more fitting

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew is always causing problems

N64 has Bomberman Hero, Saturn has Saturn Bomberman…PS1 has…some ok Bomberman games

Bomberman has spoken…PS1 loses that generation

[brisk drum]

Best bomberman on psx is called silent bomber

[eternal island]

those are all great games for the mister fpga

[versed cairn]

what about silent bomber?

[dusty tusk]

Party edition is fun

[versed cairn]

oh beat me too it

[zinc dew]

lol Bomberman hero, more like bombed game zero/10

[cerulean elk]

I mean let’s be real…best MiSTer core is clearly Watara Supervision

[eternal island]

what is a watara supervision

[elfin relic]

it's super

[cerulean elk]

Followed by the Dick Wizard or whatever the hell it’s called

[elfin relic]

watara talking about

[cerulean elk]

(Note. All cores are awesome. Even the Dick Smith Wizard. But that name…)

[eternal island]

ah so its like gameboy 0.5

[dusty tusk]

Oof, erroneously did update all and lost my unstable mister build. What's the last working unstable?

[eternal island]

i'd check out that other system but im at work and im afraid to look it up

[elfin relic]

I just use whatever is latest in unstable-nightlies, I'm running this one right now #unstable-nightlies message

the needed n64 changes got folded into main some commits ago so anything on top of that should work

[neat sierra]

I know other cores exist but I only play flappy bird

[woven olive]

Are savestates not implemented? I thought I had read about people loading savestates but not saving them.

[fiery grove]

yoshi's story turned out into a lemmings game

[woven olive]

was gonna send @cerulean elk Macho Man unlocked lol

[cerulean elk]

OOH YEAHHHHH

[woven olive]

Anyway, WCW vs NWO World Tour = Completable

if you can navigate some menus blind

[brisk drum]

Oooooooh yeahhh! The macho man!

Dem 2d portraits on world tour are just … perfect

[quaint rune]

I see they got sting. Was a big fan of him when I was a kid.

[woven olive]

There are six AKI wrestling games on the 64 and what I'm most looking forward to getting back into playing on the mister core

[brisk edge]

One or two of them are Japan exclusive right? I never hear much about them, though I'm guessing because they probably feature Japanese wrestlers instead of the more famous American ones

[brisk drum]

WCW VS NWO REVENGE!

And no mercy

[woven olive]

Yuuuppp both of those are great. Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 has some unique stuff in it those two games don't have that make it worth playing as well.

[brisk drum]

Like what ? ..

https://tenor.com/view/consider-me-intrigued-snape-stare-well-now-gif-20171065

[zinc dew]

Like Japanese wrestlers

[woven olive]

Belt and mask editor if you want to get nuts in the character creator. The ability to change the generic names to the real names of certain people. nA whole different shoot fighting/mma grappling system. I want to say additional moves in the character editor as well.

For certain characters/styles. Not like all different

[quaint rune]

Worth trying for sure

[woven olive]

@zinc dew surprisingly all the Japanese wrestlers are in the WCW games. World Tour and Revenge but with different names. The later WWF licensed AKI games WM2K and No Mercy omit the japanese guys

[zinc dew]

That’s very cool, I had no idea.

it’s wild that the N64 is the greatest console of all time. Who knew that growing up? Oh right, me,

[cerulean elk]

I had to use three eyed pikachu for tomorrows thumb

[cerulean elk]

Pika Pika I am an unholy affront to nature

[zinc dew]

I like that you have stoned slippy just chilling in the corner

[cerulean elk]

This coming from a guy who lost his innocence to a couch cushion isn’t saying much

[cerulean elk]

He will remain there for the entire run of videos

[zinc dew]

Don’t talk about your mom that way, she’s a wonderful lady

[cerulean elk]

Those are “Slippy took a second dose because he didn’t think the first one was working” eyes

Slippy can taste colors

[brisk drum]

Ascended pikachu!!

[cerulean elk]

Now I need to isolate pikachu so I can add him to thumbs too

I want a whole collection of Nintendo monstrosities

[zinc dew]

Isn’t that what they call SEGA games?

[fiery grove]

that's a great click bait

so, you are video game esoterica? 😮

didn't knew

[cerulean elk]

To you yes. To @zinc dew I’m just called “dad”

[brisk drum]

@quaint rune

[fiery grove]

https://tenor.com/view/saymyname-fifidonia-di-mi-nombre-gif-14523270

[cerulean elk]

🤣 I love this channel when we don’t have anything technical to talk about

[zinc dew]

I just want to talk about how great Nintendo 64 is

[storm parrot]

Mario has eyes?

[brisk drum]

It’s not ..

Real talk psx ruled that generation

[fiery grove]

nope, he is a superior self, he don't need them

[zinc dew]

You’re right it’s not great, it’s amazing!

[brisk drum]

Without a doubt

[zinc dew]

I’m hoping the Mario eye alpha texture fix also fixes invisible sprites in other games

Seems related

[brisk drum]

I’m hoping for an sram feature ..:(

[storm parrot]

[quaint rune]

I just hope this whole tlb mess works out. My biggest concern along with the games running at the speed they would in the end

[fiery grove]

i hope Robert don't have nightmares with None eyed Marios

[chilly ember]

SRAM or flash saving would cool but won't be upset if that's not for a while

[cerulean elk]

I SRAMmed it into…you know what…I’m classier than that

It’s been a long day filled with captures, editing and a horribly backed up tub 🤣

[brisk drum]

Just call a plumber bro

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-kid-vine-table-tantrums-gif-9382123

[quasi storm]

(Sees that gif) Dun dun dun dun DUN DUN DUN

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdona-screen-kid-punches-gif-21575801

Same kid?

[quaint rune]

I don’t think so

[orchid nimbus]

Tate mode!!

[zenith orchid]

I have to say that Saturn and N64 are similar in the sense that it's mainly a handful of unique and charming games which make the system

despite the shortcomings of both systems

though Saturn is even better if you can understand Japanese

[cerulean elk]

I’d say that the best games on N64 are just iconic and legendary…but once you get deeper into the library it really breaks down

Where Saturn never had the number of “hall of fame” good levels of games as N64 did…but it’s library is massive and there’s a ton more you want to play

Sure no Platformer on Saturn can touch Mario…but the Saturn has dozens of 10/10 shmups…N64 has Star Soldier

[zenith orchid]

Saturn also has N64 beat on RPGs

Though most of them are Japanese I imagine

[cerulean elk]

Sure nobody will ever give Powerslave the same love as they give Goldeneye….but Saturn has dozens of amazing 2D fighting games…N64 just doesn’t

So it’s a real give and take and we need both 🤣 final answer…3DO is best

[zinc dew]

imagine comparing the N64 to the Saturn when you could just be having an awesome time playing games

[cerulean elk]

Lol I’m waiting for my wife in the car. Only games I could play would be…Analogue Pocket. Shudder at that thought!

[zinc dew]

imagine playing Bomberman hero in 2023

couldn’t be me

[cerulean elk]

Imagine? I did it. In March. Game just gets better

[ocean lily]

Bomberman 64 was best bomberman

[cerulean elk]

Bomberman Hero performs every time, all the time…unlike a @zinc dew who’s best gameplay comes in the first two minutes then it’s game over

[ocean lily]

I will die on this hill

[zinc dew]

my and my boy Banjo bout to have some words

“Heeyuck!” he says

[ocean lily]

the grid thing was fine in the 16 bit era but grid style gameplay in the 3d era is dumb

[zenith orchid]

Did Saturn really have a bigger library than PSX? because I always considered PSX to be the NES of early 3d consoles, in terms of how big the catalog and how many gems there are

[cerulean elk]

I am a Bomberman Hero kinda man. @zinc dew is a Bomberman: Act Zero level person

😉

[hearty oar]

no way

[elfin relic]

the saturn absolutely does not have a bigger library than PSX in just sheer size

[zinc dew]

I actually want to buy that game

[cerulean elk]

Lol it’s so bad but it’s worth it

[elfin relic]

I thought we all agreed to forget about act zero bomberman

he's not real

he can't hurt you

[balmy dagger]

That's @zinc dew in a nutshell.

[hearty oar]

I secretly love the edgy reboot era, remember Bionic Commando PS3?

[zinc dew]

I get no breaks

[zenith orchid]

Do where does Saturn have PSX beat? shmups?

[elfin relic]

"guys lets make a dark and gritty reboot of bomberman" - a certified idiot

[ocean lily]

and stick it on a grid

[zenith orchid]

I think N64 is the closest system to an arcade system that Robert is doing. Because it's only the few legendary titles that motivates him.

[elfin relic]

the aleck64 was a bog standard n64 wasn't it?

technically arcade hardware

[zenith orchid]

I think it's identical

[ocean lily]

N64 had some amazing games

just not enough of then

and a dearth of RPGs

[hearty oar]

I do love the X console had no games memes - I had like, a handful of games for each system I got as a kid anyway

made no difference back then

[zinc dew]

RPGs are for lonely nerds, N64 is the fun machine for awesome parties

[elfin relic]

n64 was an action packed console for cool dudes

[marble cargo]

I like how the Nintendo 64, SEGA Saturn, and PlayStation all had arcade board equivalents.

[elfin relic]

weeb rpg games are for nerds

[ocean lily]

VirtualBoy had no games

[hearty oar]

ok that's fair lol

[elfin relic]

VirtualBoy had some gooduns

[ocean lily]

lol

[elfin relic]

Mario Tennis, Wario Land, Panic Bomber, Jack Bros

[marble cargo]

This is Nester's Funky Bowling erasure

[zenith orchid]

Man, once N64 and Saturn are stable, MiSTer as a system will be beyond God-tier status

[ocean lily]

I did really like Red Alarm tho

[elfin relic]

Jack Bros is peak megaten and you're just gonna erase it like that

[zinc dew]

I love that game lol

also I like RPGs, just in case people think I’m serious

[elfin relic]

what a weeb

liking rpgs

[marble cargo]

Robby loves those fat baby sprites.

[elfin relic]

"I want to put +1 into my speed stat" - a lonely nerd

[ocean lily]

sounds like you like Quests

[hearty oar]

Paper Mario is the only RPG you'll ever need - N64 fans probably

[drowsy lantern]

N64 catered to my needs so much more. Open-ended and meaty adventure games. I’m not a fan of shmups or fighting games, so the Saturn library doesn’t have much for me. Arcade games are fun in the arcade, but once you play them home you realize how cheap they are and how little content they actually have (aka 3 tracks, 3 cars, there’s your game.)

[orchid nimbus]

Paper Mario boy 64

[random portal]

is Cruise'N World running slow on the current build or is that how it ran?

I watched a video and I don't trust the youtube videos out of skepticism of them using frame blending or something to smooth it out

[elfin relic]

is your datacache on?

[chilly ember]

Where's mario when you need him

[random portal]

wow huge difference, thanks!

[chilly ember]

All these years playing mario I'm still not good at plumbling

[brisk edge]

jack bros is the shit

top 3 VB games

for how small the VB library is, quite a few really are fun

[brisk drum]

Glad we all agree Saturn is the overall more significant library ..

Imagine if Nintendo had gone with cd Roms instead of carts ..

N64 cd

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/2pac-gif-18133186

@cerulean elk you frame blending bro ?

[cerulean elk]

Lolol yeah…I’m doctoring results. Big scam Robert and I are pulling

[brisk drum]

Not on my watch !

[cerulean elk]

There’s no way you are going to frame blend footage into full speed. With YT compression? Jank AF

Even if you wanted to with an unnatural cadence it would be impossible. Sure I could bring 30 fps to 60 or even 24 to 60…but random variable frame rates? Oof no thank you

Would take hours

[brisk drum]

@stoic parcel post that video you got of outrun running @60 fps

On THE SEGA SATURN!

Core

Please

[brisk drum]

Yea I figured it was nonsense

[stoic parcel]

Who dares summon me to this barren land of cartridge polygon games

Oh

[brisk drum]

Me

I need that vid you posted

Shows these Nintendo nerds SEGA superiority

[cerulean elk]

You’d also be able to tell in the timer. It runs at the engine speed. So if it was a variable blend you could frame count between ticks of the numbers and immediately spot if someone tried to even out uneven footage

Also what’s the benefit? Lol show something nobody else can achieve 🤣

[brisk drum]

Don’t tell me this tell @random portal

Exactly .. and for what .. nerd clout ?

[brisk drum]

FEAST YOUR WYES UPON THIS AND WEEP NINTENDO NERDS!

[brisk drum]

Ty

[hearty oar]

60fps Outrun looks weirdly too smooth

I love it

[random portal]

I assume Saturn Ages? I do not think I've heard this arrangement before.

[stoic parcel]

Sega Ages indeed

[random portal]

lol no duh I meant Saturn Sega Ages 😆

[brisk drum]

This is on the current version of the Saturn core correct ?

[hearty oar]

it's pretty playable on the current core, although I sometimes hit a bug where the engine noise just kept going long after it was supposed to have stopped

[random portal]

this version of the song sounds really bassy

[stoic parcel]

Yeah it is. No other cars on the road right now and I think maybe a timer issue but it be progress

[brisk drum]

Yeah looks amazing on crt as well

It’s a great time to be a MISTer power user or retro gamer in general

[hearty oar]

related, is there a greater arcade racer than Outrun 2?

I don't think so

[stoic parcel]

There are if you dont like the drifting mechanic

[brisk drum]

the burnout series comes close imo ..

Specially the second one

[random portal]

Midnight Club II

[cerulean elk]

Also you aren’t even frame blending; you’d be speed ramping and/or changing frame rates / duplicating frames. Could I do that and convince you a game that ran at 20 FPS ran fluidly at 60? Yep. If you have me four hours lol

[brisk drum]

Thank you for sharing your professional opinion and dispelling some yt myths

[stoic parcel]

Im one of those weird people that likes Turbo Outrun more

JT core still has bugs, all the ports suck (yes, including FM Towns) except 3DS, and my CPU is too ancient to run citra at 100%. Also it crashes citra.

table flip

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/go-leave-me-alone-golden-girls-you-have-to-go-now-rose-gif-22287138

Jk lol

[hearty oar]

you were all supposed to fall for my" recommend me great arcade racing games that I haven't played" trap

[brisk drum]

But turbo outrun ? Really ?

[balmy dagger]

Outrunners. Best in the series.

[brisk drum]

Yes outrunners all day

[stoic parcel]

No. I want to make Porsche man cry

[cerulean elk]

👍

[balmy dagger]

The Ridge Racer is excellent for arcade racers. The N64 got... checks notes... Oh, yeah... THAT one.

[hearty oar]

I kind of like Super Hang On too, it's a lot simpler with the other racers instead of traffic and backgrounds are simpler than Outrun, but is has a really cool aesthetic and the music tracks are 🔥

[brisk drum]

I have actually become quite fond of ridge racer 64 as of late

[stoic parcel]

The Zero in F-Zero is for how much it has to offer! rooofffle roffle waffles

[brisk drum]

Once you figure out the drifting mechanic .. it’s not half bad

[hearty oar]

I played a bit of R4 on the PSX core, it's really fun

I'm also easy to reel in with super cool looking menus

and that game sure has some cool looking menus

[balmy dagger]

Ridge Racer Revolution will always have a place in my heart. Simple and fun.

[stoic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/sailormoon-sailor-moon-anime-manga-gif-5833442

[balmy dagger]

That batty... So mysterious.

[native mesa]

I love powerslave

[fiery grove]

Yeah, zero dissapointment, zero lag, zero bad tracks, zero bad times

[stoic parcel]

summoned again in puff of demon smoke Who dares!

Oh, N64 kid.

https://tenor.com/view/be-gone-get-out-go-there-shooo-leave-gif-17038691

[fiery grove]

😂

[native mesa]

The Sega 3ds ports are so good

[stoic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/just-when-i-thought-i-was-out-they-pull-me-back-in-michael-corleone-al-pacino-the-godfather-gif-19249100

[marble cargo]

Nintendo Switch SEGA AGES release is also good. Both even have 60FPS and widescreen.

[stone pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uQKvROvU8M really nailed it for me

they were like "okay the port is perfect, but let's add a great new music track that totally fits"

[stoic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-cat-jam-head-bounce-kitty-gif-17946989

[cerulean elk]

I’m starting to like you! Lol

[brisk drum]

Sir this is a retro video game server specifically dedicated to the Nintendo 64 ..

Not plentyofnerds.com

[cerulean elk]

Don’t you have a cow to go romance or something

[hearty oar]

M2 cannot be beat when it comes to porting and improving old games

[brisk drum]

Your mom already went home

https://tenor.com/view/nuclear-catastrophic-disastrous-melt-down-gif-13918708

[cerulean elk]

Disappointed and after two minutes

Ok I’m going to bed 🤣 see u all tomorrow

[brisk drum]

Good night

Deleted that last message for the sake of future generations

[zealous hull]

I saw that message. 👀

Gotta be honest.

Didn't love it. lol

Take care.

[brisk drum]

For the record he has said much worse .. lol

But yeah too much ..

Peace out

[deep beacon]

Happened to me two nights ago. Just rebuilt my sd card. Not touching n64 until it’s ready, in the meantime I’ll lurk here

[arctic fractal]

I just installed the N64 core with the boot.rom and when I'm loading a rom, I'm having a black screen.

[mild ether]

You just have to manually put the MiSTer unstable nightly file in the root directory to restore the video.

Not to fix the black screen.

[arctic fractal]

every other core are working

just this one

[mild ether]

That's different.

[hearty oar]

that's going to be one of bad boot.rom, missing N64-database.txt, need unstable MiSTer main version or bad game rom

https://vampier.net/N64/ is the go to guide, if you haven't read it already

[arctic fractal]

this is the guide i followed

and downloaded the boot.rom on github

[mild ether]

Or you need to remove the SD card and blow on it and reinsert it in the MiSTer. It's a fix all for all things Nintendo.

[arctic fractal]

N64-database.txt is in the game folder

[mild ether]

Grab the mame Aleck 64 PIF file and rename it boot.rom

Someone said the same thing about the GitHub PIF yesterday and getting the Aleck 64 PIF fixed it.

[arctic fractal]

got it working !

thanks !

[hearty oar]

boot.rom?

[arctic fractal]

with the Aleck 64 PIF file

you need to rename pifdata.bin to boot.rom

[mild ether]

You're welcome.

[orchid nimbus]

@weary palm released an updated database https://vampier.net/N64/N64-database.txt

[hearty oar]

I wonder if this should be in source control somewhere so we can easily see what is changing each time and have a record of it?

if it isn't already I guess

[orchid nimbus]

that sounds like a good idea

I have a romdb already https://romdb.vampier.net/

which is more complicated than the N64 database

I could make another interface wouldn't take too much at this point

but right now I don't feel like it - I'm the back up for a guy on sabatical

[quaint rune]

👀 the green goblin

[azure thunder]

can the core play 64dd games? i thought i saw the disc version of mario 64 being shown here

[versed cairn]

The cart converted ones will work eventually. Only 1 or 2 boot right now

[vapid hawk]

morning team

[flint thunder]

composite_sync=1 vga_scaler=1 vscale_border=0 video_mode=320,8,32,24,240,4,3,16,6048

video_mode=320,8,32,24,240,4,3,16,6048 vscale_mode=0 vga_scaler=1

[bronze tree]

morning 🙂

[odd vector]

is there a converted F-Zero X Expansion Pack rom out there? 😮

[lament escarp]

Moin moin 😄

[verbal cedar]

Wait isn’t this out of date? || I’m kidding lmao ||

[zenith orchid]

hmm, is dinosaur planet in the db?

[weary palm]

The N64 was launched at $199, same as the price of the PS1 at the time. The introduction price of the PS1 was $299.

[languid dune]

I miss the days of console price drops...

Now we get price increases. womp womp

[weary palm]

No, it's not

[zenith orchid]

ah, I can't tell if that's the reason it doesn't boot or if there's another reason

[chilly ember]

Probably tlb

Late era Rare game

6102 cic gives you some garbage on screen

[versed cairn]

Absolutely, it’s out there. It’s great

[weary palm]

The cracked version is an cic6102 game that requires an expansion pak.

[versed cairn]

Dinosaur planet is also a buggy, freezy unreleased beta game that barely runs on real hardware. It probably won’t do much for a while

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KTR5krNWYpQ&si=xJZOFlwjpAWt7Of_ might have more luck with the newest fan fixes. They’ve been making lots of good progress over the years to make the game as playable as possible.

[weary palm]

https://github.com/sabre230/DinoLauncher

[brisk edge]

dang, it's cool that people are still working on it.

[versed cairn]

It’s really cool. I hope they can get it to a beatable state

[chrome quest]

The work towards making Dinosaur Planet increasingly playable is amazing. Really curious to try it

[oblique remnant]

I think when I tried it I had to load a savestate to even play a level

[chilly ember]

I know you have to add a line to save_db.txt to force it to use flash to save on a everdrive

[oblique remnant]

It was only a racing stage playable. Would be nice to see more

[quick arch]

The video Bad Apple works for information

[rich delta]

Kind of off at a tangent but I really wished more developers back then embraced the 'no texture' style that appeared in Virtua Racing. I think that style still holds up beautifully today on a CRT. I have to say I really didnt like 3D graphics up until the Dreamcast era. Mind you I think Im going to like the N64 a bit more with certain blurs turned off.

[tulip coral]

is that Saturn core?

[rich delta]

No Model 1 software emulation - the day we get an FPGA implementation of Model 1 Im stripping off and running through the streets screaming in uncontrolled excitement. (When I explain to the police they will understand)

[tulip coral]

agree tho, on a CRT the art holds up very well

[mild ether]

I might do that for model 2

[rocky spindle]

Couldn't agree more.

Also @rich delta, check out this photo of the 5sept build vs. 6sept. The one on the right has the updated polygonal edge AA. Like someone upthread said, it’d be cool if someone does a fork core with absolutely no AA at all. On a CRT it just looks so crisp, with the natural horizontal blend of the tube keeping things in check.

The image is so sharp with the pre-6sept builds that it was microwaving my eyeballs.

It’s definitely a shame we didn’t get more flat polygonal games. Unfortunately Namco and Sega were in an arms race at the time.

[tropic sand]

@wanton sun Beetle racing... Yesterday s update vs emu... Just checking textures.... Its amazing how far it's come 🥰

[rich delta]

Yeah its a tough one - I like different parts of both images: the more vertical edges seem worse and the more horizontal edges look better with AA.

Obviously if we're being faithful its all on but then loads of people are using LCDs and at that point there's an argument that faithful reproduction goes out the window anyway.

This I fear is a debate for the ages - it certainly was back in the day between RF/Composite/RGB inputs and various TVs - what was more faithful to the original artists production? Sonic waterfalls come to mind.

[cerulean elk]

Lol I’m sure whatever it was would have made me laugh and I approve 👍

[cerulean elk]

Ooh nice. Looks great

[wanton sun]

i mean, if you REALLY want it, i could add a toggle for the triangle AA...i just don't see the point currently as it's just wrong. What happens if you deactivate is that you blow up pixels only coving 1/16 - 15/16 subpixels of the pixel to always use 16/16 and block following pixels to modify it

[native mesa]

You'd make us raw pixel elitists happy

[wanton sun]

e.g. you see in the mario kart screenshot that the grass blending through the wall is completly gone without it. Same will happen on other situation where information will just be missing and the image lacks details

it's not just "blur", it's activly preventing additional colors to be applied at all

having a toggle for that would be as useful as having a toggle to ignore every second pixel in a texture to make it even blockier 😛

[zinc dew]

Yeah don’t bother with a toggle if it’s wrong

[remote hatch]

I will ask for a toggle for Mario's eyes

[zinc dew]

lol

[remote hatch]

yeah , this is very important

[native mesa]

I'll never be against empowering the end user with options

[hearty oar]

...Several people are typing...

[wanton sun]

i mean, everyone can build the core with this bit forced to zero...https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/blob/main/rtl/RDP_command.vhd#L303

[simple olive]

settings_otherModes.AntiAlias       <= CommandData(3);

[zinc dew]

That’s a fallacy. Too many options is bad for end users.

[cerulean elk]

Your core, your call 🤔 I’ll hype it either way. Toggles for filtering / blur would be awesome. This small change I can’t even see if I don’t pause and examine. So in motion it’s near to impossible to even tell imo

[zinc dew]

It’s not about all the options, it’s about the right options.

@wanton sun you see my post yesterday about your Mario eyes fix? Im hoping it fixes the invisible sprite fixes in a few other games.

[remote hatch]

options are always great , but maybe let's wait until the core is complete ?

[covert bough]

In the psx core there's the extra texture filtering. Would that be a possible option to take further than original hw

[wanton sun]

a toggle has one big issue: how to make the normal user clear that there is AA in RDp and AA in VI and that both do completly different things? I would have not known 6 months ago

[zinc dew]

Don’t make it clear. An option would cause more issues and questions.

[cerulean elk]

As much as one can do that can easily be explained in video form if you want. Not saying people always listen but that’s an “active explanation” kind of thing

[native mesa]

Don't listrn to Robby he wants all the Vaseline!

[zinc dew]

If y’all want options, there’s already a solution for you. It’s called software emulation.

[zinc dew]

lol ok he’s right

[cerulean elk]

Because yes the average user won’t know what component and where in the pipeline AA is applied and how that differs

[wanton sun]

i doubt there is a software emulator that lets you toggle THAT option

maybe for VI AA, but not for RDP subfeatures

[zinc dew]

I’ll stop commenting, I don’t want to influence decisions here

Sorry

[worn delta]

Too many options can cause more problems than they solve. I would save toggle options for actual hardware things, like setting the ram amount between 8MB Expansion Pak and 4MB Jumper Pak

[zinc dew]

I went everyone to be happy

[cerulean elk]

Lol stop apologizing too much. You aren’t even Canadian

[zinc dew]

Well I feel bad, I don’t want people to think I’m against them.

[native mesa]

My take is people go through great lengths to remove these sorts of things on original hardware. Giving people that ability on your core easily would be a godsend

[tulip coral]

well i for one am in camp 'make it just like the N64 was'

[native mesa]

But at the end of the day someone could fork it and remove it if they really wanted

[cerulean elk]

IMO, for what it’s worth, toggles for filtering/fog/blur/end of pipeline AA would make sense if you want to @wanton sun as those are common “man I wish N64 did X and not Y”. That being said I have no clue what kind of time allotment / effort those require and you are doing the work so…dealers choice. If it plays Bomberman Hero im happy 😀 and whatever options exist in the final released core can be taught to your average user as to what they articulate / how that appears on screen

[elfin relic]

you live in texas, I thought it was your way or the six shooter way

this discord ain't big enough for AA haters

[zinc dew]

@cerulean elk @elfin relic I argue like I’m a regular user (and I am) but the mod status has implications. I think that status is irrelevant but a new user could see that as an abuse of status? I have to be cognoscente of that.

[cerulean elk]

Really the only toggle I think should exist is “no Superman mode”

[zinc dew]

So I apologize because I think it’s important to do so. To show that I respect others opinions and I didn’t mean to sway the conversation unfairly.

[hearty oar]

those patches can only really change bits in the VI status though right, they can't turn off the RDP blending

[cerulean elk]

Ok ok. You can apologize lol

[elfin relic]

I get it, I'm just joshin you

[native mesa]

But people would if they could 🙂

[elfin relic]

but maybe you're sercretly canadian cia gathering texas intelligence

[cerulean elk]

(Except the gif. I used a gif. I apologize)

[elfin relic]

figuring out how to make the perfect bbq poutine

texmex style

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun zero expectations but is the Mario eye alpha fix dropping today?

[cerulean elk]

But I do think whatever toggles exist can be taught to your average MiSTer user via video / a lot of the fun people have with MiSTer in general is “experimenting”. The toggles don’t break anything so it’s not like you are handing your average end user a “kill switch”

[zinc dew]

On that topic I think you spoil us. You should purposefully not release a build for at least a week to demonstrate they the Robert can giveth but also taketh away.

[elfin relic]

I dunno sometimes I toggle to PAL and I lose all sync

just wanted someone to play with

[zinc dew]

lmao “why doesn’t this mode activate a friend????”

It says PAL

[elfin relic]

maybe the screen doing dark is a sign to touch grass and find the real misters we made along the journey

[remote hatch]

be real , no eyes

[elfin relic]

can't foresee anything without eyes

[marble cargo]

"I like Nintendo 64 games without filtering because it looks like a PS1" - a person that has never touched a PS1

[zinc dew]

Genuine ignorant question here. Why would you want PAL 60hz when you can play NTSC games?

[elfin relic]

inb4 they mention the one mediocre pal game that never made it to NTSC-U

[zinc dew]

You’re right but when I played Chameleon Twist without texture filtering it looked like a PS1 game that no one put effort into lol

Oh my gosh you’re right. Haha sorry for forgetting that important part.

[elfin relic]

well now I feel like an ass thanks robby

[zinc dew]

Ohhhhh like what

if you think about it, the whole game is a programming error

I’d appreciate that, thanks!

[mild ether]

Oh, Beetle racing works now. That game has a pretty extensive debug menu.

[elfin relic]

so what I'm hearing is Japanese version is best

NTSC and bugfix

[wanton sun]

yes, i'm just looking for other things i can do

already fixed some other things

[mild ether]

Been testing these cores with the Brazil 60hz PAL PIF and so far it works exactly the same as the NTSC PIF. The games with region lock outs see it as a NTSC system.

[marble cargo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the core outputting a flat 60hz just a placeholder? Because I believe the actual hz is slightly higher.

Might be wrong since I can't find a straight answer for some reason.

[mild ether]

NTSC isn't exactly 60 hz it's just rounded to it.

[wanton sun]

yes, video out is currently a hack with fixed, synchronous frequency to make debugging easier

[zinc dew]

You’re too good to us. ❤️

But feel free to break stuff too. You gotta remind people once in a while who holds true power.

[mild ether]

Oh, I did not know it was outputting something altogether different.

[marble cargo]

I'm aware, because consoles prior to the standardization of digital outputs always had slightly off spec refresh rates. Nothing was genuinely 60hz or 50hz.

[native mesa]

The modeline I use is 59.9 hz

[mild ether]

I see now, I didn't realize it was outputting something completely out of spec.

[native mesa]

Not that that is correct or anything but it works. It's NTSC standard

[mild ether]

59.9!! But it's supposed to be 59.94! 😄

[native mesa]

It might be hah. The OSD doesn't have that many decimals

video_mode=320,8,32,24,240,4,3,16,6048

Whatever 6048 comes out to be

Ok I must work. Thanks for all your hard work Robert. Sorry if us hardcore dedicated enthusiasts to this 30 year old device are a pain in your ass

[zinc dew]

Don’t mind me chiming in - but quite the opposite. I think your contributions are awesome and I love seeing the passion. Have a wonderful day, friend!

[cerulean elk]

Lol someone knows broadcast frame rates

[wanton sun]

it's always fine to have a discussion. In the end the core should be good for everyone. Maybe we can talk about it again when the core is more mature. For now, i will not add a toggle to all the RDP settings as there are like 30 or so and it would get overwhelming 🙂

[maiden wyvern]

do you know is it possible with the framework to have options configurable from the file but not exposed in the osd?

[wanton sun]

i'm not aware of any standard way to do that

[daring meteor]

Can't you make them in an inaccesable menu?

[wanton sun]

yes, like the debug menu in the psx core

[chrome quest]

PAL approx 50Hz output (with the timing). Of course great for original Europe experience. PAL 60 use I'm familiar with is forcing that output from an NTSC game so my old European CRT can still display video in composite.
There's an option for it in the general INI that notes untested or something like that, but works with some cores

[cerulean elk]

I thought this mornings video might have been out of date because the description stats "and the upcoming N64 core" then realized I made it eight weeks ago lol

if you like FPGA explanations and sour patch kids itll be your jam though haha

[rich delta]

Youre absolutely right that its less correct to the underlying geometry and texture information and not faithful to original hardware but the pixel is the basic screen/output/sampling element and so adding samples and averaging them does give a certain look. Many games give the ability to disable the myriad fullscreen AA algorithms because it does blur edges and therefore lose fine details but which can cause shimmering because of the lower sampling frequency (Im sure you know this so apologies for teaching grandmother to suck eggs). However this is your core and you are doing all the hard work and so it's very much your own call. Id support a toggle if its (very) easy to do and doesnt cause overhead and doesnt lead the end user to complain about bugs that are caused by the option.

[cerulean elk]

"teaching grandmothers to suck eggs"...im gonna need an explanation on that

[rocky spindle]

Please, do not hold up your production pipeline with musings such as this. Get your core finished first how you believe it should be done.

I’m all for building my own personalised core to cover fringe cases/preferences.

[maiden wyvern]

cool. just curious. thanks!

[cerulean elk]

https://youtu.be/WowMsOlHVog

someone go check my work lol

[quasi storm]

Have... Have you not heard the "Happy happy, Joy Joy" song?!

[bronze tree]

sounds like a very useful video

[cerulean elk]

so many people asked. I tried to explain FPGA/logic/silicon...via candy

visual learning

and 3DO M2 chips lol

[zinc dew]

Just calling it out. User has the dataDyne logo and they’re an evil multinational corporation.

[daring meteor]

Tell me all the stupid 1 liner options you want and I'll add them in the end if Robert doesn't

[bronze tree]

wobbly textures!

[rocky spindle]

In other news: TaoStyx64 just released N64 controller gears in bronze.

http://shpws.me/Tzbt
http://shpws.me/Tzbw

Steel bowl + steel stick + bronze gears = indestructible analogue stick module and a pretty elite N64 controller.

[cerulean elk]

I demand gold. Sure its softer but...premium lol

[zinc dew]

Finally, the perfect Quest 64 controller!

[cerulean elk]

the perfect controller would be unplugged...so you cant play

save yourself the pain

[rocky spindle]

Perfect for triggering special moves on the AKI Corp. wrestling games, too.

[cerulean elk]

seems great for navigating Bomberman in Bomberman Hero

[odd vector]

i can only speak for myself, but I love having options to enable and disable stuff, I would even prefer it if it is under an Advanced Settings Submenu or something like that. But having options is great

[wanton sun]

today you will have the option to upgrade your core with a no-no-face patch and 2 eyes mode

[cerulean elk]

its always a balancing act; give users options....but dont give them so many they screw it up

[cerulean elk]

I reject this. Three eyed Pikachu for life lol

[odd vector]

I'll take that! ❤️

[cerulean elk]

(I put a bit in today's video about eyes coming soon)

[odd vector]

That looks really promising! 🙂

[cerulean elk]

looks good though. But faceless Mario will always be my new fav thing

[odd vector]

Tien shinhan Pikachu 😄

[cerulean elk]

ping me when there is an "even more eyes" mode

I want a bakers dozens on Kirby

[nimble needle]

The end of an error era

[drowsy lantern]

Remember when Windows 3.1 freely allowed you to delete files from c:\windows\system\ without any warning? Those were the days 😄

[cerulean elk]

lol this is why every time I show formatting an SD card on the channel I say "dont come to me yelling when you format the wrong drive letter. PAY ATTENTION to the designations before you go deleting your entire family photo album"

when I did CHDMAN I warned people and got plenty of comments when people flashed CHD HDD images to their normal drives inside the PC vs the target physical ID number...after I showed them where to find that number

[nimble needle]

Obligatory “Amazing work Robert”. You’re a 1 in 7.8 billion

[mortal panther]

Looks like the "I'm not liable" part was about as clear to some as the instructions themselves. 😉

[zinc dew]

that’s the challenge with exposing knowledge to people who aren’t ready, there will be a lot of people who have no business doing this stuff and they learn the hard way. But such is the path to higher learning.

[mortal panther]

I mean, when you mess up that bad... you remember it.

...at least I do.

[cerulean elk]

Yes. I wash my hands of it. I warn them and I make my voice "stern". If they dont get it from there...thats on them

[zinc dew]

I mean even if you didn’t, it’s not your responsibility anyways.

[plush summit]

Man, there really needs to be a thread compiling all the N64 stick parts, Im pretty sure some of us want to refurbish old contollers

[cerulean elk]

when I was 11 my dad told me "be careful, that knife is sharp"...I cut myself "I told you it was sharp" haha

thats how I teach things. Warn, teach, shrug when they blow it

[mortal panther]

Tough love.

Need more of it.

Too much hand-holding.

[rocky spindle]

My son is six and doesn’t listen even when you try.

[zinc dew]

I mean some people need it honestly. Some people don’t. Depends on audience.

[mortal panther]

True

[cerulean elk]

lol on today's video people have learned about my inability to say "gate array" and how I just really say "gatorade"...because of a New England acccent

[rocky spindle]

He’s super accident prone.

[zinc dew]

But to your point YouTube should be 100% tough love. Lot of entitled morons out there lol.

[cerulean elk]

nice

[zinc dew]

I heard you say the Steam Deck is 10X better

That was my take away

[mortal panther]

It's not??

[split lynx]

I like sour patch kids

[rocky spindle]

I remember a particular community on Reddit getting pissed at you for plugging videos all the time. lol

[zinc dew]

Test build pin updated

[wanton sun]

new build is uploaded. If anyone wonders what point 1 and 2 fixes, here is one example:

the blue pixels in the lower left edge

[zinc dew]

Someone here also got upset at it

[rocky spindle]

Not saying you’re doing that here of course. I just found it funny because it honestly wasn’t that bad, and it’s not like it’s the general poor or even average content.

[remote hatch]

good timing, I'm about to finish work 🙂

[cerulean elk]

who on REddit doesnt get angry all the time lol

[cerulean elk]

so long ye no face Mario

[rocky spindle]

Yeah. I gave up with Reddit for anything meaningful. I basically only use it for porn now.

[cerulean elk]

someone was yelling at Pixel yesterday on there 😆

[rocky spindle]

I honestly felt like doing a channel just so I could add to the rage. I REALLY wouldn’t be putting much effort into the videos though.

[zinc dew]

So @cerulean elk and @fallen sparrow do plug their videos and generally that’s not something we encourage. We ask people to just keep it to #share-media but they’re also doing a big service to the community with the coverage, knowledge share, and enthusiasm.

So everyone wins.

[balmy dagger]

Good Guy Robby

[zinc dew]

their work is invaluable imo

[cerulean elk]

Lol trust me. Discord is .05% of overall traffic. It ain’t for me 🤣 it’s to help everyone else have fun with it

[zinc dew]

Oh damn nevermind, I was hoping you’d get more traffic from here.

[inner bronze]

Well the Brian Sixty Four memes were also keeping up enthousiasm but that got banned too 😦

[zinc dew]

That was actually done to keep the joke going lol

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks Robby.

[rocky spindle]

I agree. Although Im not watching as much these days because I’m in here 24/7.

[cerulean elk]

Let me see

@zinc dew

[inner bronze]

Meta

[rocky spindle]

So, if you guys want more views I’d stop plugging the Discord links. lol

[inner bronze]

Who says I watch videos from Discord links tho xD

I watch them. Just not via Discord

[cerulean elk]

It’s 1% of external traffic. External traffic is 21% of overall views. So 1% of 20%

[fallen sparrow]

I try not to post too many vids on discord and Reddit, as
A - I'm lazy
B - I know a lot of people don't like it.

So just once in a while is okay for me

[zinc dew]

I used the term “plugging” not in a negative perspective mind you. Apologies if I gave that impression. It’s all transactional and we are playing favorites to be clear.

[fallen sparrow]

Not at all

[zinc dew]

Just being transparent

[inner bronze]

Corruption! Nepotism!

To the gallows!

[fallen sparrow]

I get that

[fair stump]

@wanton sun did you say this build would fix E00800?

[cerulean elk]

Reddit assumes sharing information / teaching people how to do something is “spam”; they don’t realize it’s just a snake eating its own tail 🤣

[zinc dew]

I mean core coverage is exciting and wonderful. We should reward or try to reward people who do that.

[fallen sparrow]

When I started my channel, I posted a lot on Reddit, I soon figured, it's not worth the hassle.
So keep it occasional

[zinc dew]

@cerulean elk + @fallen sparrow hopefully links here spread. I link your videos to friends to showcase how far a core is coming along.

[fallen sparrow]

I have posted a few here, bit more the streams, as I like it when you guys drop by in the stream

[cerulean elk]

I approve this message. Your streams are bangers

[wanton sun]

one of the 10 reasons this error could come up 😅

[cerulean elk]

I don’t approve two eyed pikachu. No sir

[fallen sparrow]

I wanna do more, but damn family and work and what not 😂

[fair stump]

Ah OK because I'm still getting it in a bowling game so I figured I'd check 👍

[brisk drum]

The Mario’s have eyes!

[wanton sun]

most likely several games still cause this error bit for using dual texture mode

[hexed knot]

That there is a Kirby what looks like Kirby.

[brisk drum]

But does it show more than a black screen ?

[wanton sun]

no

kirby crashes the video rendering code somehow. You can see by the fps counter going to zero, but audio still working. Have to investigate...some...day

[cerulean elk]

This is all the reason I needed to play Mario 64 again today “for work purposes” lol

[honest saffron]

What could be the cause of Super Mario 64 crashing after the game logo? With all available test builds

[hexed knot]

Yeah, the screen blacks out, but the game appears playable still.

[brisk drum]

I’m in no hurry to play Kirby 64 so whenever

[fallen sparrow]

To wife - not now honey, I'm working (playing N64)

[inner bronze]

Before the stretchy face? Thats because of the lack of TLB

[brisk drum]

I think Sram support would be more important

[honest saffron]

Yes, before the stretchy face. TLB?

[cerulean elk]

Wife walks by in Mario mask…Pixel jumps up and runs towards her 🤣

[inner bronze]

That screen uses the MMU/TLB for some reason. Only feature in the game that uses it.

[brisk drum]

Well ima hit the gym and get to testing right after

[inner bronze]

Patch it out and it goes right past it

[fallen sparrow]

😂

[hexed knot]

Oh hey, Mario Tennis boots now. We get a few logos, rather than nothing. (Crashes shortly after)

[remote hatch]

you need patch for now

[honest saffron]

Alright!

[remote hatch]

check Vampiers FAQ

[inner bronze]

No Face Patch

[remote hatch]

pinned msg

[cerulean elk]

I don’t believe it’s expected but if anyone finds any new games that are now playable lmk. I’ll capture them this afternoon

[zealous hull]

I get on Reddit often, and I'm furious that you said this.

[inner bronze]

Have you met Twitter users....

[hexed knot]

Might get a little time this morning to run through some games that boot.

[inner bronze]

angriest people ever

[visual wadi]

has anyone noticed lockups since yesterday's core?

i've seen quite a few

[brisk drum]

Do you have cache on?

[visual wadi]

games that ran fine before now randomly freeze

[visual wadi]

i do

[mild ether]

This has a really extensive debug menu you can use.

https://tcrf.net/Beetle_Adventure_Racing

[brisk drum]

Hmmm … will investigate further as soon as I’m free

[visual wadi]

Mario 64 lock up on me in the 1st world

[remote hatch]

use cache delay

set it to 10

[rocky spindle]

I’ve never really used my Twitter account. That place is an absolute shit shower. How the hell you can get anything meaningful across with such a limited word count. That place was intrinsically built for hate.

[wanton sun]

mario 64 has always locked up, even long before the cache was added. It is random and can happen everywhere

[visual wadi]

ahh

[mild ether]

Really interesting that Beetle Racing seemed to start its life as Need For Speed.

[visual wadi]

i hadn't played it much since before the fog issue made that level difficult

[wanton sun]

there is currently no workaround. Cache delay does not save you in mario64 (but it does in waverace)

[zinc dew]

What a shame, today’s build doesn’t fix the invisible sprite issue in Space Station Silicon Valkey

[wanton sun]

😦

[cerulean elk]

Haha nice

[remote hatch]

I have completed 3 levels in Mario 64, not bad 🙂

[zinc dew]

I mean that’s my own fault for being ignorant and optimistic lol

[hexed knot]

When that happens though, hoo boy, I'm gonna be going for completion on that game.

[dreamy ridge]

i've been really enjoying toggling the texture filter on and off in different places in mario 64 just to compare

[cerulean elk]

I was saying that in a video. It’s like level to level dependent on which looks better but it’s fun to just toggle and test

Castle areas? Give me no filtering

[ornate obsidian]

Any ideas if it's possible to fix the Mayflash 2 port adapter bindings easily? Cause it registers Start, L, R, A, B and the stick seems ok.

However I'm unable to bind C buttons at all except on the D-Pad

Original controller

[hexed knot]

Much better pika face

[wanton sun]

i have the same issue and was told to update the firmware to fix it, because it worked for someone else (sorry forgot who it was), but i haven't tried yet

[cerulean elk]

I refute this lol

[native mesa]

Mutant Pikachu toggle IMO

[cerulean elk]

I’ll show normal pikachu Saturday…but you can’t make me like it lol

[hexed knot]

I do really enjoy that being your intro into the game up until now.

[mild ether]

I am really going to miss faceless mario.

[hexed knot]

Fatal Frame X Pokemon Snap

[zinc dew]

Weird that Kirby 64 “functions” in a level but you can’t see anything

[mild ether]

Kinda like the mystery Mario.

[cerulean elk]

It’s a Kirby belly simulator. You are inside Kirby. It’s dark in there

[inner bronze]

How do we know our entire universe isnt just in Future Kirby's belly

Because Kirby will swallow all

[tropic sand]

New option in the core coming soon... only visible for people who read the FAQ... 😁

[remote hatch]

much better!

[hallow sedge]

I still remember seeing this arcade in 94 and I was blown away by its graphics and yes it still holds up!

[storm void]

F-Zero X fixed! 😄

[odd vector]

OoT works now (fake news!)

[zinc dew]

lol I checked F-Zero X still hanging for me

[quasi storm]

You made Robert frown...

[orchid nimbus]

update_N64 can be run

[storm void]

Sorry, should have specified iQue version. The track is now no longer pure black, but actually shows textures

[remote hatch]

maybe Ridge Racer looks better now

[zinc dew]

Oh nice! Why would iQue versions work but not other regions. So odd

[zinc dew]

Good thinking, loading it up now

[storm void]

I've heard it's because iQue doesn't use SRAM, not actually sure tho.

[zinc dew]

Nope, still no textures in some parts of the track in RR64.

[remote hatch]

thanks for checking !

[odd vector]

I suppose that JFG is also under SRAM?

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew stop being suck a hater! 🤣

[worn delta]

What is causing the E0004D error code on the core launch?

[nova grotto]

It's not even 3 minutes and I'm just missing the faceless mario xd

[unkempt elm]

Amazing work. It's fun seeing Mario 64 come together especially.

[cerulean elk]

It’s weird. We all got used to him with eyes

[zinc dew]

lolol

[cerulean elk]

This is just in game eyes yes? Floating head still a crash correct?

[zealous hull]

Most certainly, as that's implementing tlb.

[nova grotto]

Mischief Makers still not working

[cerulean elk]

I get one downvote in the first ten minutes on every MiSTer vid. I know it’s you!

[unkempt elm]

Genuinely enjoy how busted Yoshi's Story gets once it's in a level.

[cerulean elk]

I’ve gotta show that next vid. It’s so pretty in a very random way

[brazen obsidian]

Windows not responding vibes, so good

[cerulean elk]

“Windows solitaire victory vibes” imo

[chrome quest]

Pretty, but also probably epilepsy warning

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk it's only fair to show what is not implemented yet

[odd vector]

According to Vampiers Site: Memory access to unmapped area, CPU stall timeout, DDR3 timeout, Critical Exception occured (heuristic, typically games crash when that happens, but can be false positive)

[cerulean elk]

Eh? Sorry not sure what you mean

[fair stump]

Did a run through of all USA no boots with data cache on, no changes to any of them

[viral swift]

the n64 logo from the banjo kazooie intro looks very pixelated

[neat sierra]

How come no one mentioned Kirby had eyes in his crotch? This whole time and nothing about “eye balls”

[viral swift]

the one from diddy kong racing has strange lines too 🙂

top edges

[zealous hull]

Goodbye Biblically Accurate Angle Kirby, I'll still see you in my nightmares.

[drowsy lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/solitaire-solitaire-ending-solitaire-end-ending-bounce-gif-12792838

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-kirbo-christian-christianity-bible-gif-26502478

[worn delta]

The translated version of Animal Forest in the HTGDB everdrive pack is playable and looking good. Also in the .txt file 🙂

You get E00820:
5 PI error
11 RDP combine mode not implemented

But can run about and do things in this version (as with the Japanese rom)

[devout leaf]

I love that game so much but having to use a cheat to 100% the game was rude lol

[hexed knot]

Surely someone has a patched ROM somewhere to fix that.

[devout leaf]

Id assume so but haven’t checked

Yeah apparently there is so that’s good

[cerulean elk]

Exactly

[viral swift]

nice. skybox issues (like in top gear overdrive) are fixed now

[devout leaf]

@wanton sun I’m curious about your process. Do you have a rough guideline you’d like to work on or are you more doing things as they pop up? The answer is probably in between but is there a method you lean towards?

[brisk drum]

I always picture him like an alchemist in a lab

[orchid nimbus]

Take a game - see it doesn't work right - try to make it 100%

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/giraffe-wizard-orb-wizard-orb-magic-giraffe-gif-24304705

[regal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/welder-happy-work-fun-gif-25821496

footage of fpgazumpass making the core:

[orchid nimbus]

you take a mortal man - and put him in control - watching him become a god - once FPGA cores a'roll

[hexed knot]

me at my house, lookin at giraffe necks

[wanton sun]

i have a list of things i want to do, but sometimes get distracted by something i want to do instead. It's nice to not be forced to a fixed schedule. Work on the things you have fun with makes you complete everything faster in the end

[brisk drum]

Hence why all the cart racers and racing games in general just work!

[wanton sun]

i block reading the rom data from sdram until a rom was really downloaded, so instead the cpu reads garbage and will lock up

[drowsy lantern]

It's just like when I play Zelda Tears of the Kingdom: I have a general idea of where I want to be going, but then get distracted by 847328 side-quests along the way. 😒

[wanton sun]

i completed the whole sky before i even found out there is a underground...yes with 1 battery. Yes that was stupid. But still fun. With hoverbike it would have been pointless

[mild ether]

Thanks. I needed Megadeth stuck in my head today. 😄

[stuck sinew]

Might I ask about the issue we are seeing on CRTs with each row of pixels zig-zagging including MiSTer menu? Any idea what's behind that?

[drowsy lantern]

I found out wayyy too late that you can upgrade the battery, and where you need to do it. Then felt incredibly dumb when I found out. 😅

[orchid nimbus]

you're welcome

[drowsy lantern]

The depths are beyond repetitive, empty, and drab to explore. Yet somehow I still feel compelled to activate every damn root. 😒

[fallen sparrow]

Just like the pied Piper, led rats through the street......

[worldly flint]

Yeah same. I was disappointed that the depths didn't have any variety but I had fun activating every root

[devout leaf]

Depths have an easy way to cheese the game though. Did it for my wife so she could just explore. Spoiler for the underground ||You can farm five ancient arrows on the surface and unlock a super early Majora’s Mask in the arena.||

[inner bronze]

Aww, but I wanted to build a giant death laser trap to do that part

[quick arch]

MK64 raimbow track is great with the new update 😍

[waxen bear]

Is today's core supposed to run the regular Mario 64 rom? Mine still hangs after the splash screen.

[inner bronze]

No its not

[zealous hull]

@wanton sun Hey Robert, just curious, but do you plan on implementing a pause feature when the OSD is up? Not sure if that was on the roadmap or not.

[waxen bear]

ok ty

[inner bronze]

Needs no-face patch

[lament escarp]

Are sm64 and mk64 now pretty much finished? Except for the tlb face of course.

[drowsy lantern]

Ancient arrows still exist? I learn something new about the game every day! 😂

[inner bronze]

Yeh. Ancient Blade + Arrow

[waxen bear]

so cool to see Mario with eyes now 🙂

eyeless Mario was kinda freaky lol

[zealous hull]

Kirby stole his eyes. He gave them back tho

[carmine kettle]

how can i get MD5 hash values first 4096 bytes?

[viscid gate]

If you're wanting to add a new db entry yourself, the MD5 of the whole ROM works. Needs to be lowercase IIRC

[slate sundial]

Watching Majora's Mask intro on loop, just because.

Noticed it appears locked to 20fps. Googerred it, and appears Ocarina is the same (native 20fps target)

You folks reckon we'll ever see patched 30fps ROMs working on this core? (seems feasible that there will be room for additional performance once the core is complete - already noticing some sections of SM64 that are running smooth at 30fps, where they're ~20fps on original hardware)

[nova grotto]

What do you think will be the most difficult task ? Or did you already done it ?

[regal prism]

If they work on og hardware then probably

Most N64 games are poorly optimized, so it's up to the romhacking community to fix that

[nova grotto]

There's someone in youtube called "Kaze Emanuar" you should check his channel out he's like a Robert but improving SM64 performance he actually improved so much the game for real hardware that according to him it's already running at 60 fps with heavy gpu mods of his own etc

I'm actually waiting for him to release someday his improved sm64 rom

[lament escarp]

@wanton sun since everybody's talking about toggles, would it be possible to implement a toggle to invers x and y of the stick? Many old shooters like turok use inverted axes and needs to be patched for correct controls.

Maybe even for the c buttons, I think they're used in duke nukem to aim?

[spark skiff]

Man Waverace looks so good now. Props Robert! This is so cool. Hit me right in the nostalgia playin this again.

[mild ether]

I think remapping the controls is the most practical solution to invert the controls

[slate sundial]

I think I'd take the entire week off work if he released this 🤣

[drowsy lantern]

TLB seems to be the most difficult task from what Robert has previously said.

[lament escarp]

The stick is mapped in main, so that's far from practical in my opinion. But it's just an idea.

[mild ether]

It probably can be done as a patch per rom but a pain in the d to trace it back to the function in each rom.

You're right I didn't know you couldn't remap the analog

In the core.

[tepid gorge]

It’s so exciting to see this core grow, congratulations achieving all of this

[wanton sun]

it's pretty much a requirement if we ever want savestates. If savestates are not possible to fit, probably not

[tepid gorge]

N64 was one of my first thoughts when I first learned about FPGAs

[orchid nimbus]

let it go baby shark

[slate sundial]

ok this guy is cuckoo
https://youtu.be/t_rzYnXEQlE?feature=shared

bloody amazing!

[orchid nimbus]

@slate sundial check how many time it has been posted here 😄

[weary beacon]

It's agonizing to wait. He already has the new source code locked, but his attention has been towards building something new rather than just releasing a Mario 64 source port. I'd pay full retail just for that alone. Ip aside...

[slate sundial]

I can't follow this thread, it off the hook 😅

[wanton sun]

have the courage to start working on it when i always thought myself i can never get the CPU run at full 93mhz

[mild ether]

Wait, he did it and isn't releasing it?

[orchid nimbus]

check for 'Kaze Emanuar' in the search 😄

[wanton sun]

if at all, this should be framework/mister main task. I don't see why cores should spend precious logic for things that can be done free of cost in linux

[orchid nimbus]

sometimes I look at a task and I am "why even try" and then you try and you go - that wasn't that bad. Nothing as complex as you do though

[wanton sun]

if you asked me 5 years ago if I ever write an n64 emulator, i would have just laughed. For me it was always just magic

[worn delta]

Is there no option to invert the stick within Turok's ingame menu? Am sure you can in Goldeneye

[lone geyser]

What was your first core?

GBA is the first I remember

And did you help with anything else before that?

[mild ether]

That's kinda inspiring.

[vapid hawk]

maybe one of our linux-side controller driver wizards can give us a stick inversion option - it does seem like a task best suited to the hps

[slate sundial]

and we thank our lucky stars you went for it !

[wanton sun]

first i made a gameboy emulator in 2019 in C#, then implemented it on a cyclone 4 board. It was not very good. Everyone has to learn

[weary beacon]

He implied that was more work than it sounds and that it wasn't his current focus. But, yes, I think so?

[lone geyser]

No guarantees about options but I can give you a binary

[vapid hawk]

it really needs an option or its kinda useless 😛

[weary palm]

Gameboy emulation is kind of tricky

[mild ether]

Haven't followed anything about it but seems odd he would go to all the effort just to show everyone it was possible and not share with the rest of the class.

[weary palm]

transferring 25GB "stuff" to my MiSTer over wireless network. wish me luck.

[vapid hawk]

his intention was never to make a faster version of mario64

he's a mario64 modder who wanted his mods to run faster

[weary palm]

there's another guy who has a 60fps version of SM64 though

https://github.com/FazanaJ/ultrasm64/tree/m%26m's

[heady mason]

Mario 64 got a PC port and I am pretty sure they got that one to run at 60fps

unnofficially of course

[weary palm]

yes, interpolated 60 fps

[wanton sun]

stubbed the sram DMA 🙂

[vapid hawk]

there is someone who's applying kaze's work to the original mario64 now, but they've never published a build idk if it works

[weary palm]

game logic runs @ 30 fps

I stubbed my toe once or twice

[devout leaf]

Man I’m gonna be gone for a few weeks for surgery. Coming back to the core may be a shock lol

[heady mason]

Interpolated, I doubt they needed to do anything with the source code

[weary palm]

oh, nothing serious i hope

[drowsy lantern]

I can hear this screenshot.

[weary palm]

it's not that kind of interpolation

[orchid nimbus]

read his profile "Shiny sleeps nude in an oxygen tent which he believes gives him sexual powers."

[mild ether]

I probably should take a week or year to learn at least the basics of C so the decomps make at least a little sense. It is really interesting but just looks like gibberish to me.

[wanton sun]

fzero also works. I guess that is enough to justify sram work. (OoT and 1080 unfortunatly don't boot yet)

[weary palm]

Not sure C is a good starting point

[storm void]

fpga core p*rn

[carmine kettle]

thank you

[heady mason]

looks great 🙂

[wanton sun]

if anyone wants to try if smash or fzero work stable

[mild ether]

What is? I can follow along with assembler so far.

[daring meteor]

Finally, no more iQue

It shall be forgotten again for the next 10 years

[slate sundial]

oh wow, this game is a beast, and locked 60fps too I believe

[shrewd peak]

trying

[weary palm]

The iQue is cool

[daring meteor]

Not anymore, now we can play the real games

(/s of course)

[storm void]

f-zero works

[paper orchid]

@wanton sun holy shit

Sin & Punishment looks...perfect???

We're at 00400 for error, but a whole bunch of visual issues are fixed now

[carmine kettle]

playing f zero

[paper orchid]

The remaining textures that were problematic are...not

[brisk drum]

OH MY GOD!