Nintendo 64

[manic basin]

Hah! Gotcha.

I've tested all the cache settings, yes. No luck for me.

[zenith orchid]

I bet it uses that for physics or rendering efficiency

[manic basin]

He has a very detailed developer blog.

I'm sure he goes over all the tricks. His latest addition is vertex lighting.

[zenith orchid]

maybe you can do a search and see if he mentions TLB

[manic basin]

But simplified.

[zenith orchid]

I'm almost positive he uses it

[daring meteor]

You could use Project 64 to see

It has a TLB toggle

[manic basin]

Problem is, on the core you can't get past the initial 'pixel puke' on load. Perhaps it could be patched.

I'm just super impressed with the work he's done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCBHdgbickE his latest video

[daring meteor]

Oh yeah than it might not be TLB, since Smash has the same problem and its not a TLB game

[zenith orchid]

doesn't SM64 have pixel puke when you try to get to the face screen?

[manic basin]

It does, but just at the top third.

However, it's definitely got a pattern. This is more like 'whatever was in the video buffer when the core started' by look.

Portal vs SM64 Face

[weary palm]

My religion

[manic basin]

Have you tried the iCue version yet? I know it's not the same, but it is neat to play some Smash on MiSTer.

[daring meteor]

Did not

[manic basin]

Fox's cheeks are caved in. Kirby has eyes on his crotch. It's bonkers. And all in Chinese. But it loads!

[weary palm]

Has anyone tried Dinosaur Planet

[manic basin]

Expansion cart error for me.

I haven't seen a patch for it come out. But maybe there is one.

[daring meteor]

It works perfectly hahaha

Well except for the funny errors

But it's playable

[manic basin]

Oh I thought you were making a joke about the pak detection.

Hah

[daring meteor]

No, smash bros iQue

[manic basin]

Oooh, gotcha.

[chilly ember]

I try dinosaur planet every build

[manic basin]

Same.

[chilly ember]

Dinosaur planet doesn't boot yet

[manic basin]

Oh, lovely pak error. How saturated are thy reds. How dismal is my heart.

[chilly ember]

Tried out Majora's Mask and died instantly soon as the intro cutscene finished lol. Then when I got to town the dog killed link in one hit so I tried that again and game soft locked on death

[manic basin]

That dog is a jerk!

[chilly ember]

Yea that dog is annoying lol

[manic basin]

The music in Evangelion is outstanding. I would have been blown away by this back in the day....

[chilly ember]

I remember renting it as a kid and not getting very far but I thought it was pretty awesome. I played more of it on gamecube version

[manic basin]

I got my butt handed to me by my own umbilical cable. But it's pretty neat. Heavy, but I mean...it's mechs who are tied into the city power grid. It should be a little heavy.

[weary palm]

You can get revenge on the dog once you get the Goron mask.

[manic basin]

"I'll get you my pretty, etcetera etcetera!"

[weary palm]

Say his name.

[chilly ember]

He has a name? Haha

[manic basin]

In life he had no name. In death, his name is Ruffbert Paulson

(he's a construction dog)

[bronze tree]

did he also have man boobs?

[manic basin]

Six of 'em.

[chilly ember]

Tried Majora's Mask again and got stuck at the Great Fairy when she gives you your bubble power. Die immediately after cutscene ends and spawns back in cutscene repeating the same thing

[manic basin]

(OK, no joke...doing a machinima style Fight Club with Majora's Mask engine might be really cool)

Are the deaths part of the copy protection like the ocarinas?

[chilly ember]

That's what it looks like

ocarina's in menu are actually all ocarina's. i figured they'd be just a placeholder glitch

[manic basin]

Flash....aaaAAAAH RAM. Savior of ... the game....iverse.

It's pretty amazing to see a wall of them.

[woven olive]

go through the controller setup again from the main mister menu, not the n64 core. pay special attention to when it asks for analog input.

[chilly ember]

Super Smash Bros ique rom cutscene before start menu

[hearty oar]

would be interested to know what causes those issues with eg. the eyes on kirby, the modern graphics programmer in me says wrong texture address mode, if that's a thing on n64

[weary palm]

Looks nice

[hearty oar]

like it looks like it's mirroring when it should be clamping to edge

[timid torrent]

link's moustache is incredible

also good to see mario is allowed to have eyes in this one

[weary palm]

Kirby really doesn't need four eyes. Neither does Mario.

[daring meteor]

Four eyes let Kirby see better

[weary palm]

Eyebrow chin

[chrome quest]

Whatever the error, it looks identical to what I found playing through all of Snap on several different Pokémon. Like parts of the faces were duplicating and wrapping around or something like that.
Pikachu, 3 eyes on Electrode, Lapras, and so on

[daring meteor]

Out of these texture errors what is your favorate:
3 Eyes Pikachu/Kirby/Mario/etc

Missing textures so everything is monochrome

Funny transparency

[teal sail]

Those wireframe lines seem to be somehow related to when objects have more than one texture applied, for example in racing games there are second texture for reflections like in "Roadsters" or "Top Gear Overdrive"

[viscid gate]

Wrap vs clamp maybe?

[hearty oar]

yeah probably looking at it vertically

I would imagine all of the basic texture address modes are implemented already, so it might be a garbage in, garbage out situation, ie something else is causing the wrong modes to be fed in to the RDP here

but I can only speculate, I'm just a silly person that doesn't know anything lol

[manic basin]

The third track on WaveRace still has them, but all the other tracks don't. Which is really interesting.

[weary palm]

There are different rules for what to do when the polygon is bigger than the texture, whether to repeat the pattern, mirror it or stretch the last pixel.
The N64 SDK defines them as:
#define G_TX_WRAP 0 #define G_TX_MIRROR 0x1 #define G_TX_CLAMP 0x2

I don't think this is fully implemented yet. 🙂

[chilly ember]

Got through super smash bros and beat the master hand. I am so rusty on super smash bros lol

[hearty oar]

that's very close to what we have in modern APIs, which I guess shouldn't come as a surprise given it was SGI themselves that developed the OpenGL API originally

eg: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/d3d12/ne-d3d12-d3d12_texture_address_mode

[weary palm]

OpenGL has been around since 1992 🙂

[hearty oar]

yep, and it's pretty much the progenitor of all modern graphics APIs

but yeah no doubt the N64 API was just a thin layer over the SGI hardware, which itself informed the design of OGL

[chrome quest]

To share another bug, Snap had what looked like Z-Buffer issues. Smoke visible through walls.
Do any other games still show that kind of effect? Might be a useful one to debug in time. Or it may well be a different aspect of the core altogether

[wary relic]

Thanks!

[compact lark]

Core has tonsa color banding since there's stil no dithering.
Reminds me of thr PSX core back in Nov.-Dec. 2021.

[quasi storm]

It's so great to play Diddy Kong Racing with sound!

Oh dang! F-zero boots!

[remote hatch]

hmm yesterday I couldn't get fzero to work

[manic basin]

Yep! Enjoy the void races!

[manic basin]

The iQue version worked for me, not the original carts. I dunno if that's what Turbo is talking about.

[remote hatch]

ah , thanks 🙂

[timid torrent]

interesting that more of the games work via iQue versions

I wonder if they removed some stuff from the games so that they could simplify the hardware and make it cheaper

[quasi storm]

Never said it works... 😆

Also Sarges Heroes runs... Like crap. So authentic!

[remote hatch]

😛

[thick terrace]

I didn't see any tracks on the ique fzero, so I kept crashing and driving off them

[quasi storm]

As much as Sarges Heroes doesn't run well, that is honestly one aspect emulators never seem to get right. They usually hit 60.
Ha!

[thick terrace]

so it's supposed to be slow?

[quasi storm]

Oops, had write back turned on ..

[quasi storm]

It rarely maintained 30 fps, never mind 60.

Ooh, high res mode works! You know, just in case it wasn't running bad enough for you...

[manic basin]

I wonder the same.

[zenith orchid]

yeah since it's only a third, it seems to indicate a crash before it could draw the rest of the screen

so yeah I don't think it's a TLB related issue based on the pixel puke

[quasi storm]

Guess I was wrong...

And that's with high resolution turned on.

[uncut gyro]

I’m In Robert’s local time zone for the next 10 days. No mister with me, though

[zenith orchid]

I hope one day to have a portable MiSTer setup

[silent marten]

This would be awesome 🙂

[zenith orchid]

ikr? there was once a screen attachment you can get for the psone consoles. something like that setup would be cool

[chilly ember]

Tried spider man, doesn't crash immediately but after finishing the first level it does

[daring meteor]

Thought spiderman was sram, it isn't?

[thick terrace]

blues brothers gets into game now. I ran around until a guard whacked me with a billy club. lol

[chilly ember]

Spider man is controller pak save

[thick terrace]

its amazing how many more games work now.

[brisk drum]

Here’s my favorite graphical glitch in the game

@quaint rune

[chilly ember]

Vigilante 8 seems to run well with the high resolution mode on

Some text isn't displaying right but it's playable

[compact lark]

Ooh, how about running it on the hidden max resolution mode?

[chilly ember]

Yea i guess that's what i meant, whatever wanna call it

Max_resolution code i used

[surreal wyvern]

Does the N64 core work on a crt?

[inner bronze]

Only via HDMI Direct Video

No Analog IO support yet

So: yes

[daring meteor]

It works on analog IO technically but your milage may vary

[inner bronze]

Huh, interesting

[daring meteor]

Even without that but again, milage may vary

[mild ether]

Is it worth adding level select to Daikatana?

[chilly ember]

Taco would probably think so

[mild ether]

If someone will use it I will give it a whirl.

Ghidra with the N64 module is pretty nifty. Makes the patches quicker to sort out.

[timid torrent]

When people say that the TLB is difficult to implement, is it really the TLB itself that is complicated? Or is it the virtual memory stuff behind the TLB is which is challenging?

[daring meteor]

I think it's mainly that it's nonessensial

Most games work without it

In an alt universe where every N64 game used it, I wouldn't be surprised if Robert would've done it after FPU

[hearty python]

If I understand it right, the difficulty is that the calculations or the comparison is done in one cycle for the hole entries. One cycle is shortest possibility.

[inner bronze]

The logic doesn't seem too hard, but it's about lowering the impact it has on the critical path. Doing it within one cycle really hurts the maximum MHz the core can run at.

[chilly ember]

http://www.jaytheham.com/zcw/Majora's_Mask_Crooked_Cartridge_-_48_Ocarinas guess majora's mask bug is due to issue with saving so guess that won't be playable really until flash saving is implemented

[hearty python]

We will see what happen here. Let’s first see, if AA has a impact or not.

[timid torrent]

Interesting on the TLB, thanks.

[wanton sun]

what is difficult is mostly to fit the design in the fpga when tlb is used, not to understand how the tlb works

as pointed out, the maximum clock rate could drop significantly

[worldly quartz]

Tlb is only used by nintendo and rare?

[mild ether]

Does the OOT hang at the point that it tries to initialize the sram?

[inner bronze]

From what Ive heard, yes

[daring meteor]

I wouldn't be surprised if F Zero and Smash have the same problem

[inner bronze]

Smash is a TLB game, that I know

[daring meteor]

It is not

[inner bronze]

checks sources

[daring meteor]

It's an SRAM game but works without TLB

[chrome lodge]

checking intensifies

[inner bronze]

Huh. It is in fact not a TLB game

At least according to old Project64 settings I dug up

F-Zero is?

[daring meteor]

F Zero is not but I can check again

[daring meteor]

Yeah no its not TLB either

[marble cargo]

So why does the iQue version boot, but not the normal Nintendo 64 version?

[daring meteor]

SRAM

Probably

[chilly ember]

That would be my guess too

[daring meteor]

iQue games don't have SRAM

[compact depot]

Is there an iQue version of OoT?

[daring meteor]

Yes

[marble cargo]

I'm guessing the lack of SRAM is also why Banjo-Tooie fails to boot? It has that same pixel vomit screen.

[chilly ember]

Banjo tooie is eeprom but it has some weird anti piracy stuff happening that might be preventing it from booting

[native mesa]

I love the project but his videos are long winded and unecesarry. I assume they are for a Patreon audience

[cerulean elk]

Mario needs to get better sleep

[zinc dew]

What are some games that are perfectly playable on the latest core that people recommend?

[remote hatch]

wipeout 64, mario kart, star fox

[mild ether]

Dr Mario

[hollow rune]

Chameleon Twist

[brisk drum]

Please do if you got time

[brisk drum]

Indeed I would !

[hollow rune]

Crusin' World is perfect, but not the greatest game

[remote hatch]

Daikatana is the best fps on N64 deserves all the best

[hollow rune]

I think Aidyn Chronicles might be fully functional. If you like Brian 64, it seems like a less whimsical version of that

[drowsy lantern]

Well this is not reassuring 😦 Hoping for the best.

[hollow rune]

Snowboard Kids

Shadowgate 64, but needs controller pak. I now sure Controller Pak is on the roadmap

MIckey Speedway USA is almost there... It is really close

[cerulean elk]

such a unique game

[brisk drum]

It’ll be fine dawg

Im just glad daikatana doesn’t have tlb

[zinc dew]

Fully Playable:

These games have no major issues and can save progress, but random crashes may still occur. All games are US unless otherwise noted.

• 1080 Snowboard
• Airboarder 64 (EU/PAL)
• Animal Crossing (JP & translation patch)
• Banjo-Kazooie
• Bomberman Hero
• Chameleon Twist (US, JP & translation patch)
• Chopper Attack
• Clayfighter 63⅓ + Sculptor’s Cut (original cart doesn’t save)
• Cruis’n Exotica
• Cruis'n USA
• Cruis’n World
• Cubivore (JP & translation patch)
• Diddy Kong Racing
• Doubutsu Banchou (JP & translation patch)
• Doubutsu no Mori (JP & translation patch)
• Duck Dodgers Starring Daffy Duck
• Dr. Mario
• Earthworm Jim 3D
• Excitebike 64
• Indy Racing 2000
• F-1 World Grand Prix II (EU/PAL)
• F-Zero X
• Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
• Legend of Zelda, the: Majora's Mask (use save to bypass Princess Zelda ocarina softlock - #1096015979055697940 message)
• Legend of Zelda, The: Ocarina of Time (GameCube & Master Quest versions only)
• Mace: The Dark Age (original cart doesn't save)
• Mario Kart 64
• Mario Party + 2 + 3
• Mega Man 64
• Mickey’s Speedway USA
• NBA Courtside 2 featuring Kobe Bryant
• Neon Genesis Evangelion (JP)
• Pilotwings 64
• Pokémon Puzzle League
• Pokémon Snap
• Pokémon Stadium 2
• Premier Manager 64 (EU/PAL)
• Rocket: Robot on Wheels
• RR64: Ridge Racer 64
• Sin & Punishment (JP & translation patch)
• Snowboard Kids 2
• Space Station Silicon Valley
• Star Fox 64
• Star Soldier - Vanishing Earth
• Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
• Star Wars Episode I - Racer (set core's ram to 4mb)
• Super Mario 64 (must be patched - #1096015979055697940 message)
• Super Smash Bros.
• Taz Express (EU/PAL)
• Tetrisphere
• Tigger's Honey Hunt
• Utchan Nanchan no Hono no Challenger (JP)
• Wave Race 64

I’m not counting anything that needs controller pak to save.

[daring meteor]

We also got every game where save doesn't really matter

[worn delta]

Long shot, but does Goldeneye use TLB in game or just the intro like Mario does? Wondering if a hack to skip intro might make it playable

[daring meteor]

Goldeneye afaik is a full on TLB game

[pine apex]

Sin & Punishment!

[zinc dew]

Yeah? Fully playable with no issues impeding gameplay or saving?

[pine apex]

Exactly

[zinc dew]

Wow that’s awesome, thanks

[pine apex]

30 fps very very stable

[deft tree]

Shadows of the Empire

[cerulean elk]

Bomberman Hero gets far. Like first world far. I havent frozen it yet

[pine apex]

"Game completed with no crashing, developer-unintended slowdown in areas of graphical intensity. Minor graphical issue (dark subtitles, certain alpha textures, missing fog). Note that chapter 3-3 has a cutscene portion that shows FPU accuracy issues; this occurs on real hardware as well." from Mark_Eire, It's Jae! in MiSTer N64 Testing (EverDrive 64 2023-05-15)

[devout leaf]

https://n64squid.com/wizard-of-the-board/
Shared it earlier but it’s been 100% for awhile now. Fun 30min chess dungeon puzzler.

[zinc dew]

Isn’t the framerate really low

[cerulean elk]

with cache its close to feeling correct

w/o cache its slow

I had it in a previous video. Fast and responsive on cache

[zinc dew]

Oh great!

[cerulean elk]

like maybe its gonna freeze ten seconds after I stopped playing but I got through the first five levels no issues on capture

[zinc dew]

Forgot Banjo-Kazooie

[hot spoke]

Yeah, that's almost perfect now.

[zinc dew]

@cerulean elk I said good games so I can’t include Bomberman Hero

[cerulean elk]

you are just dead to me

[zinc dew]

lol, just tried it out and the framerate gets down below 10 which is rough

[zinc dew]

Don’t mind me going to reorganize pins

[orchid nimbus]

@zinc dew the compatibility list has this feature already

it tells you what is playable

[hollow rune]

We need to distinguish more though

Playable has a very broad meaning right now

[topaz otter]

This reminds me of the ultrahle days when only a few titles worked but the list was growing. Unlike those guys though, Robert doesn't have to hide from the police lol

[hollow rune]

We need to calibrate our evaluations

[zinc dew]

ok done

[topaz otter]

bowser isn't a dinosaur, he's a turtle

[blissful plaza]

I've tried the debug SRAM fixed version of OoT yesterday night.
You can play the game from the title screen.
They are performance problems at the moment on the Kokiri Forest, but I bought the shield, found the sword and gone to the Deku Tree without a crash at all.

I don't know if the iQue version could work as well, like with Smash Bros and F-Zero X.
Could someone try that idea later ?

Another thing from today - a cracked version of Banjo Tooie existed when the Everdrive can't bypassed or simulated the CIC challenge back then.
Maybe we should try that version later on the core (or create just a metaversion with the crack without the EEPROM-->SRAM fix from that crack - hex editing 'fun' times).

[cerulean elk]

ill have OOT in the video at 4 today. Works great til the crashes

seem to be brought on so randomly

[blissful plaza]

Okay.

[zinc dew]

Playable is a very broad term. That list I put together represents games that ideally you could sit down and play without any major issues and save your progress to come back to to later. Basically “I’m new and I want to play a game for fun”.

[hollow rune]

exactly

[drowsy lantern]

Wave Race 64 crashes randomly on my side if you leave the data cache on to its default values.

[inner bronze]

Whats causing the performance problems in OoT? I thought we had the cache and the CPU running at full speed?

[blissful plaza]

I've tried Major'as Mask as well, and we're suck at the fairy mountain at the moment, as you die each time the save needs to be overwritten (like when the fairy gives you some power or replenish your health).

[inner bronze]

Or is the CPU not at full speed?

[zinc dew]

Lol I realized we both used “broad meaning” lol

[orchid nimbus]

I agree we need @worn delta to update the rating system I guess 🙂

with playable/minor imperfections/perfect

[chrome quest]

Playable Mario 64 is fantastic, but latest core kept crashing before I could get my first Bom Omb star.

[silent marten]

Set Cache Delay to 10

[orchid nimbus]

@chrome quest set cache delay to 10

[hollow rune]

If we come up with criteria with definitions I can draft a rubric

[remote hatch]

or 11 😛

[chrome quest]

Thank ye both! Will do tonight

[verbal cedar]

I thought Mario parties are suppose to be in the playable with progression working list no?

[worn delta]

Yeah, I was just about to type I think I need to make the ratings system less obtuse. Working was meant for 100% perfect, no bugs. Issues was for nearly there bug there are known bugs

[zinc dew]

Yeah definitely. This is just interim.

[worn delta]

I could change Issues to Completable and Working to Perfect

[zinc dew]

yup

Can you do conditional formatting in google docs?

[worn delta]

Yeah, the sheet is full of it

All the colours are conditional formattiong

[zinc dew]

Would benefit a full row highlight for games that are completable so they’re easier to spot as you skim down

[worn delta]

No, that would screw with formatting for other columns

[hollow rune]

I think this would be the simplest solution

[zinc dew]

Im used to Excel so maybe not possible in Google Sheets

[hollow rune]

Then have descriptive solutions

[topaz otter]

isn't this going to give people the wrong impression, they may still experience issues

[zinc dew]

if they experience issues then it won’t be perfect

[topaz otter]

but does the end user know the difference between an issue and how the game plays on real hardware

[zinc dew]

Probably not

[fallen sparrow]

Good boy

[topaz otter]

because banjo tooie slows down a lot on real hardware, and I mean a lot. If I were testing it on the mister and have never played the original, I would think the issue is on the misters end

might need a short note on how the game performs on real hardware, that way people know where to set the bar when testing

like if the game experience issues on actual hardware, they can take that into account

[zinc dew]

That’s a good point and one to be cognoscente of. But the more we complicate these things and have requires reading the less beneficial this FAQ’s use is for regular Joe.

[ripe sentinel]

can someone eli5 what the cache delay setting is doing? just curious

[zinc dew]

We are going to read the FAQ but most people will likely just jump in and skim the list to see what to play.

If anyone reports bad framerate and lack the education to know any better, we can’t fix that unless they bring it to our attention and we can go “do you even n64 bro”

lol

[topaz otter]

no problem, just don't like the idea of robert chasing down problems that have nothing to do with what he's doing and were already there to begin with

[zinc dew]

100%

It sincerely is a good point. We sometimes see it pop up in #1046940919607345272

[devout leaf]

Man I’m hyped for SNAX to be added to the core. I know it needs testing but this core feels like Christmas. I just see the presents and I’m getting antsy.

[zinc dew]

You can try an earlier version of the core with SNAX support now if you’d like

[worn delta]

OK on the US tab Issues is now Completable and Working is Perfect, but at this stage nothing should be marked as Perfect

So feel free to mark in the completable games

[devout leaf]

I’ve been using the one pinned. Feels so good.

[cerulean elk]

I’d agree. At the most in a video I say “someone completed this. Maybe you can too. It might still freeze 🤷🏻‍♂️ so don’t be surprised”

Otherwise people take that and run with it and expect perfection

[worn delta]

Will take me a while to bring that to the other tabs as Google conditional formatting is really buggy

[topaz otter]

emulation is never going to be perfect, best you can do is red, yellow, green

red is won't run

yellow is playable with issues

and green is playable without issues

[fallen sparrow]

Just got mine, where do I place the file in the MiSTer. Also, can the controller be used wired?

Thanks in advance

[topaz otter]

at least thats the way I remember it from the ps2 emulation days

[cerulean elk]

Fourth category; gold. For Bomberman Hero

[worn delta]

What we have now will work fine until we move to having issues in GitHub

[topaz otter]

fourth category is "works on my machine"

[zinc dew]

Media/fat/linux

[zinc dew]

Yeah, it’s a resource mainly for “us” honestly.

Average Joe won’t even open it most likely.

And the sooner we move to GitHub (when Robert feels the core is in a good enough place) the better as it’ll help minimize Average Joe bug reports who don’t understand perf on the original hardware. To @topaz otter’s point.

[fallen sparrow]

Can it be used wired? Is it only wireless?

[zinc dew]

I haven’t tested wired but wirelessly works great.

Only negative is you have to resync every time, at least I do.

[fallen sparrow]

I forgot to order a Bluetooth adapter, that comes tomorrow lol.
Maybe I can pair it with y 8bitdo Bluetooth dongle. That'll be handy if it works.

[mild ether]

Will give it a shot, might be a bit more difficult to patch into the rom directly than I thought.

[primal bolt]

what is the latency on that NSO?

cant be good

[worn delta]

OK, Perfect and Completable are now on US, Japan, UK and ROW tabs so all retail

[zinc dew]

It isn’t lol

[fallen sparrow]

It's Bluetooth, so will definitely have latency

[worn delta]

Feel free to start using Completable for ones you can finish without using a hack (e.g. Mario 64)

[zinc dew]

It’s “good enough”

[viral portal]

There's never "too many" breathing holes.

[primal bolt]

I know bluetooth has latency but its also Nintendo which it should have more than it should

like unecessary amount

Nintendo doesn't care about latency

it might even have 20 to 30ms of latency

[fallen sparrow]

Damn

That's high

Well, I'll try it out

[primal bolt]

im sure we will know the exact amount soon

[fallen sparrow]

If I don't like it, it's easy to sell

[primal bolt]

true

I think I am just gonna get a Reflex adapter when in stock... and OG controllers, then fix the sticks with Klipsch-bent parts

used N64 controllers seem to be about $60 now on ebay... they use to be $30 a couple years ago

[iron dove]

NSO works well wired also, no idea on latency vs Bluetooth tho

[primal bolt]

that is cool if it works wired, but knowing nintendo that might not matter much

[worn delta]

If the .txt database has been updated with more roms added it may be worth checking the ones flagged as Missing again and see if those don't show the message on launch now (i.e. are in the database)

[primal bolt]

I dont think it works wired on switch

dont know for sure, though

[zinc dew]

@primal bolt and a SNAC enjoyer I can’t tell the difference between it and Reflex

[primal bolt]

yeah its too close to tell

[hasty kayak]

Whoever "Tested" FIFA 98 and FIFA 99 on N64 and said they worked.... no they don't. They have never worked on the Core!

[primal bolt]

basically no difference

[mortal panther]

Let's put a pin in it and come back to it. 😉

[hasty kayak]

Both games Do Not Boot.

[viral portal]

https://tenor.com/view/kith-kids-in-the-hall-so-says-you-gif-9509159

[iron dove]

Looks like it does, shows 'usb' under its icon when connected

[primal bolt]

i just read that it only charges when plugged in

[frail jolt]

Can anyone explain in 1 quick sentence..... what is the deal with airline food!?

Kidding, what is mister unstable? What is its reason to live and be used? What is its purpose?

[primal bolt]

but I have no idea

[viral portal]

Unstable means new features or fixes are implemented but not fully tested. Other things can happen as a circumstance

[primal bolt]

yea but is it still using bluetooth when playing

[oblique remnant]

World Cup 98 should be playable

[iron dove]

I've got the pro controller wired comms option enabled on the switch, prob needs that

[hasty kayak]

Different game but I will try it.

[primal bolt]

disconnect the bluetooth and see if you can use it

[chrome quest]

On MiSTer unstable, while there may be other versions waiting for a merge, FYI this version fixes analog stick range.
For those that may have missed it
#controllers message

[frail jolt]

I guess my real question is....

Why would you develop on unstable?

Like do the devs of mister and n64 work in tandem to incorporate fixes thst can aid?

[primal bolt]

unstable gets pushed to stable after testing things dont break

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks,

[daring meteor]

Fifa 98 works for me

[hasty kayak]

Yes World Cup 98 is. did someone "Assume" because that does that FIFA 98 and FIFA 99 both work? if so... tut tut....

[viral portal]

Once things are verified as stable, the things in the unstable get pushed to an official stable release.

You have to test before you know things are stable for a stable release.

And what better way to test than to have those brave enough to try an unstable build test with/for you?

[flint thunder]

FYI the picture of the last N64 core is not so bad on CRT TV

(without specific settings on the mister ini file)

[cerulean elk]

Man the pushback hate on N64 is real

[iron dove]

If I turn off pro controller wired comms the 'usb' logo goes away, or also shows this

[hasty kayak]

Idiocy.

[frail jolt]

I understand a dev and a prod environment.... but ... why build a house that js supposed to be solid on unstable ground

I guess j could see the "so less people try it" reasoning...

Otherwise a bunch of random people would be filling up a problem sheet with either the same problem or known problems

[primal bolt]

I assume this means you cant use it wired, only thing wire does is recharge it

[iron dove]

Im pretty sure it's using USB

The USB text goes away on controller menu when USB pro controller comms setting is disabled but controller is still charging.
It also loses sync when disconnecting USB if wired comms setting is enabled, doesn't if it's disabled

[quaint rune]

It’s just to test things that seem to run okay but haven’t been tested over a long period of time with different possible configurations. If it’s okay then it gets moved to stable. This is something that even alot of softwares for computers use. Like my animation program, there’s stable and unstable builds.

[iron dove]

And enabling that setting specifically says no NFC over wired comms

[viral portal]

You get it out so that those eager enough can try out some new things, but label it appropriately so people don't complain or post bug reports when it's not completely ready for full publication. It's basically a public test stage, instead of limiting it to developers. The feedback from those willing to use unstable builds helps to really streamline the process so that the next stable release is as stable as possible.

[worn delta]

OK, all tabs on the sheet updated
"Issues" changed to "Completable"
"Working" changed to "Perfect"

[quaint rune]

I honestly don’t like that change.

[bronze tree]

we don't "build on unstable" we build on stable, but any build between 2 releases is just released as an "unstable" build

[viral portal]

I would argue all development is unstable until stable.

[hollow pebble]

I can’t imagine living like that.

Except for GameCube obviously.

[cerulean elk]

It’s fine if you don’t like something. But people have to argue YOU shouldn’t like it either 😫

Probably just @zinc dew and his alt account

[viral portal]

Definitely.

[drowsy lantern]

Some people are just shit. Ignore them.

[frail jolt]

This was my assumption..

But was curious if Robert decided to build on ubstable incase he needed mister to do something, like "I need mister to allow the ability to access x when y occurs during boot and this ks the rule you can implement to still keep things safe"

But my ultimate guess was so the few and not many are out there testing...and the 300th person hasn't found a git repository to complain that majora fails after intro

[cerulean elk]

So few people are testing. They are all here

Do 7500 views on a N64 preview vid, every comment with people testing are here lol. Everyone else is just “awesome! Can’t wait to play it when it’s done”

[fair stump]

Fifa - Road to the World Cup 98 is absolutely loading for me and working

[cerulean elk]

I think the number of people testing is probably like 100 or less and they all live here

[hollow pebble]

Well… not everyone 😬

[daring meteor]

Yeah, pretty much that

[hasty kayak]

Neither that or 99 are loading for me.

[fair stump]

99 doesn't load for me

00040

[daring meteor]

Robert needs Mister to tell the core what format the game is and convert it, which Markun gladly did

[cerulean elk]

Saturn I get the same answers. “Can’t wait to try it when it’s done”…so unscientific hypothesis…it’s just mostly us testing

[worn delta]

I started my career in QA testing mobile games, this isn't how we would have logged things professionally - but people testing aren't professional QA and we aren't using the same testing techniques and tools. I think for what we are doing having No Boot/Boots/Playable/Completable/Perfect seems an easy to understand scale for people who want to test.

[hasty kayak]

Will try another ROM for 98

[frail jolt]

I wouldn't ever say worst...

But I definitely wouldn't say best.... if it had a cd rom...it may actually have been the best...or a huge contender

It has A small library of really solid games..and that's why it wins my heart, but if someone took a hammer to my n64...I'd be like 'you owe me $110...and then I'd sell my multicart. And buy a steak dinner and be ok thar I no longer own one

[daring meteor]

98 gives me a sync problem

So if your monitor doesn't detect it, it might be it

It works otherwise tho

[viral portal]

Yeah man! It allows for much more positive discourse about things that are wrong, so that the dev can have an actual conversation about the processes and settings people are using and troubleshoot the issue in order to fix or correct things along the way to a stable release. Otherwise, it would be hell for a dev to weed through the people yelling and acting entitled, or even just the multiple repeated findings of the same bug, to find the actual conversations that will help speed along development.

[frail jolt]

@viral portal

[cerulean elk]

I just don’t get the “I hate it. I hate you because you like it. Let me be a dick now” attitude

I don’t like ketchup. Foul. But I’m not gonna go on an anti-ketchup crusade

[frail jolt]

Not a true gamer....that's the facts....

[viral portal]

Well, now I have to go on a tirade to get awbacon banned for hating ketchup. BRB

[orchid nimbus]

is namco museum 100% now?

[viral portal]

Could you believe I got told my opinion didn't matter???

[hasty kayak]

Tried a different FIFA 98 ROM and get E00028.....

[zealous hull]

Miserable adult or edgy child? Always a fun game to play in the YouTube comments.

[hasty kayak]

FIFA 99 does the same

[oblique remnant]

Then simply edit the sheet then 🙂

[brisk drum]

Uhh no worries if it’s too much hassle ,

[fair stump]

One of my favorite YouTube videos ever was a very young boy being very sad he got banned from a youtube channel for "having an opinion" 🤣 sadly that account was shut down one day and I'll never see it again.

[quaint rune]

Mostly was just concerned with working being changed to perfect. Because perfect to me would mean a game behaving in a way that when compared to original hardware, you wouldn’t notice difference results. Because alot of things can work, but aren’t perfect. The scale you have is good though.

I’m all for distinctions that’s all

[hollow rune]

To do it with more sophistication would require training and that just doesn't make sense

[frail jolt]

Mario64 vs goldeneye... who wins?

[hasty kayak]

GoldenEye

[zinc dew]

Who’s hating on the N64??

[cerulean elk]

My YT commenters lol. I was implying you had burner accounts lol

[frail jolt]

My vote goes mario 64

[zinc dew]

lmao what losers

did that convince you they’re not my burner accounts?

[cerulean elk]

I’ll accept it lol

[iron dove]

https://youtu.be/gtp2eth_eWE
why not both?

[plush summit]

As a QA person myself, I don't think applying our workflow would be ideal, its pretty meta because we're not testing games, but the core, and we have little to no control over it lol

The best is really booting, playing and compiling data

[cerulean elk]

It’s also hard because replicating issues across the multiple instances of varying hardware would not be fun. What ram version? What build? Speed of SD card? Or are you on SSD…so many variables vs a dev kit where it’s “you all have identical hardware instances”

And also what rom? What file extension. Is that rom dumped improperly? Test a WIP build of a game from a dev and you know every build is 1:1 identical

Applying QA guidelines to MiSTer would be like herding cats

[plush summit]

Yeah, there's too many variables at this stage, but so far, I haven't seen anything that would require MORE in-depth testing 😛

[cerulean elk]

I need to in-depth test more Bomberman Hero lol

“The Bomberman Hero Core…oh and other games I guess”

[plush summit]

and keep in mind, not all QA is alike, I have some pretty choice words for modern Video Game QA 😂

[dreamy ridge]

just catching up here...majora's mask is loading now?!?

[orchid nimbus]

yes

playable - yes

[last scarab]

This is unbelievable! Props to FPGAzumspass. He is a beast! Thanks for the list!

[frail jolt]

I'd rather see odd job doing the mario 64 3 jump lol

[worn delta]

For the pervert who really wants to "play" Vivid Dolls, it's not added to the .txt databse yet but is now booting into a Test Mode Menu, but controls don't seem to work. E00408

[dreamy ridge]

holy SMOKES

is chamelion twist good

[compact depot]

Where’s OoT love?

[remote hatch]

bleehhh

[viral portal]

It's decent

[plush summit]

MM > OOT

Ship of Harkinian exists

😛

[viral portal]

I agree, MM > OoT - but OoT is still very good and a much more important entry than MM.

[worn delta]

Would be worth running through the Aleck64 roms again, tried two and they are booting into things now

[remote hatch]

Quest 6 4 > OoT

[orchid nimbus]

so what does that mean - TLB support on backburner?

[plush summit]

OOT is great but its more linear than MM, if I picked up MM today, I wouldn't know where to start and most people would take different paths, MM would feel fresher in my mind

[daring meteor]

TLB support was already on the backburner

[orchid nimbus]

indefinite back-burner

[worn delta]

Sounds like a wait-and-see, compromises may need to be made to get it working with everything else within the space available

[daring meteor]

I see it like a wait and see, its not like the Core is ready barring TLB atm

[drowsy lantern]

At worse we could have two cores? One non-TLB core and a TLB-only core?

[worn delta]

Interesting, the TLB system test that used to fail with a 00067 now only fails with 00066 (need to check what the difference is)

[quaint rune]

Why would it possibly impact speed though? I thought the whole thing with fpgas was regardless of how much was implemented, things related to speed shouldn’t change. Help me understand

[daring meteor]

What's a TLB only core?

[viral portal]

I love linearity. I enjoyed FF16 more than Tears of the Kingdom for that reason, as blasphemous as that sounds from a Zelda fan.

[worn delta]

So the test no longer fails with 0 - memory access to unmapped area

[orchid nimbus]

memory access to unmapped area

[worn delta]

Not sure if possible Vampier, but you can't select and copy test from your tool now, when you try it closes before you can

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/ see blue top line on the FAQ for error code entry 🙂

oh I know - was done on purpose to piss people off 😄

[native mesa]

marsFPGA strikes again

[orchid nimbus]

@native mesa what they do now?

[viral portal]

Replaying a linear game is like re-reading a book. I only do it with the ones I like.

[native mesa]

Oh just might have to wait for a new FPGA platform to get full featured N64

[orchid nimbus]

vaporware

[native mesa]

Also why not just use some javascript in your error code lookup to auto remove the leading E

[orchid nimbus]

because it's a hex char

[viral portal]

Just CTRL+A then del

If that doesn't work, then try ALT+F4. No biggie.

[plush summit]

Ironically, I prefer OOT to TotK, I love MM because their side-quests and characters are a strong point, I didn't really dig how TotK is just a massive collect-a-thon with weird pacing

[worn delta]

Seriously, don't even worry about marsFPGA. When the time is right almost certainly Sorg will pick a new board that does what people need and launch a MiSter 2 in sister with MiSTer and will run the project as well as he does this one, which has had a phenomenal track record. Don't waste time thinking about some vapourware board with no clear specs, that doesn't exist, being promoted by people with no track record for delivering, let alone maintaining, a platform like MiSTer.

[daring meteor]

MiSTest

[worn delta]

And you can bet whatever succeeds MiSTer the devs will be involved in before we all know about it.

[viral portal]

TotK was great, but it really felt like "Oh whoops, let me try that again" next to BotW. OoT and MM are so much more different from each other in comparison.

[weary palm]

People doubting. Here we go again. 😉

[fair stump]

Robert is the Tom Brady of FPGA

[plush summit]

Oh yeah, it was pretty annoying that the core-loop was pretty identical to BotW rather than flipping the formula like MM

Nintendo took a direction with TotK, but I feel it wasn't THE direction lol

[viral portal]

I could talk all day about my nitpicks with TotK, but it's not an interesting conversation for this chat 🙂

[quaint rune]

Tell meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[primal bolt]

vampier have you tried WCW vs. nWo World Tour with the latest update?

[dreamy ridge]

i just wish my the weapons in modern zelda weren't made of glass 😭

[viral portal]

I wish they would bring back the arsenal required for puzzle solving. Give me things to look forward to and work towards, not everything all at once and that's it.

[primal bolt]

I forgot about Pilotwings 64

[dreamy ridge]

bro, same. dungeons used to be daunting and mysterious, now we get 100+ nuclearly simple microdungeons

[viral portal]

Pilotwings 64 was my first N64 game and I 100%'d that shit before I could afford any other games

I loved it

[primal bolt]

I always liked pilotwings on SNES and 64 for some reason

but I havent played the N64 one in a long time

[plush summit]

Yeah, I kept burning myself out with TotK because you literally don't know what to expect next because the Shrines are random, I hate running into good puzzles when I'm mentally done playing

[primal bolt]

does pilotwings work good now?

[native mesa]

I agree 100% but the ADHD generation loves that shit

[primal bolt]

i imagine it should being an early game

[iron dove]

Doesn't boot

[primal bolt]

damn wtf

weird

wasnt that a launch game?

[viral portal]

I have ADHD and definitely was preoccupied playing the game, but I wouldn't say I love it. I just hyperfocus and get a lot done. I still prefer the older style Zeldas. Twilight Princess being my favorite.

[iron dove]

Yep, I got that and mario64 at launch

[primal bolt]

maybe pilotwings needs a patch like mario 64

[waxen lodge]

40 Winks is beatable, I used the speedrun route of simply clip OoB and jump to the final boss. I am very bad at the final boss but managed to beat it. No idea how to play the game normally, haha https://streamable.com/r3kppo

[worn delta]

Peeps might want to check out the 64DD patched roms in the HTGDB pack... none booted a couple of days ago but tried one and it's booting now...

[primal bolt]

what are they patched with

to boot without 64dd hardware?

[worn delta]

Dezaemon 3D+DD (J) Zoinkity.z64

This one is letting me do things

[primal bolt]

but what is the patch for

[iron dove]

Yeah to load as carts

[primal bolt]

oh ok

[worn delta]

I just played a level, is a shooter

[hexed knot]

I like the change! Any opposition to a short descriptor for each/some of the labels that identifies specific expectations for each part of the scale? I can take some time today to throw together a short sentence for each. Or would you prefer to keep the labels as is, and rely on tester intuition to place the various games in the respective label states?

[primal bolt]

try f-zero and make a track

[remote hatch]

Looks quite nice on my pal crt

The best N64 game ♥️

[primal bolt]

i dont like pal

[cerulean elk]

I need to play around with this on my TVs. Been meaning to

See how non-texture filtering mode looks on a CRT

[remote hatch]

Ntsc game on pal tv

[primal bolt]

does it run faster than its suppose to

[waxen lodge]

There's no entry on the sheet that I could see for the retail re-release of 40 Winks, just the protos, so not sure where to put it

[cerulean elk]

Is Die Hard working?

[primal bolt]

lol i didnt know about this proto

Die Hard 64 lol

lol wtf its an FPS

I was expecting a beat em up

[split lynx]

I was blown away when i played Wave Race on my N64 back in the day, and I'm glad its mostly working on MiSTer. I 've been having a blast with it and it still gives me that same feeling as way back when.

[vapid hawk]

came out on gamecube ultimately

[primal bolt]

the water is impressive on n64 waverace

[orchid nimbus]

@worn delta you can now copy and paste error codes

[primal bolt]

hey vampier whats up... did you get a chance to try any THQ/AKI wrestling on latest core?

[orchid nimbus]

@primal bolt you're on your way to an ignore

[primal bolt]

is that a no?

[orchid nimbus]

you're 95% there

[wanton sun]

mario64 crashes random(with and without cache), wave race crashes random unless a bad cache setting trick is used

[safe robin]

its interesting because i played through all cups in Mario Kart 64 since we got the Data cache and it never crashed for me.

[wanton sun]

I tried it in my emulator and there is no sram access until after the spinning N64 logo and the core hangs before. So sram alone will not fix it i guess

[zinc dew]

Thank you!

[wanton sun]

mario kart is stable, only mario64 is not

[safe robin]

ah sorry, i missred

[wanton sun]

i completed all cups in mario kart 64 🙂 . unfortunatly no new title screen after the extra cups 😦

[zinc dew]

If it’s any consolation I was able to play a full 7 tracks without a single crash in Wave Race 64.

I think random crashes are expected for a WIP core but I can specify.

[wanton sun]

just saying in case people start to play it and then report the issue as new

[orchid nimbus]

polygon overflow results in crashes - it pops the CPU and then a lock-up

(just speculating)

[zinc dew]

Yah, added that to the pinned comment.

[mild ether]

Good to know, thanks. I was thinking of taking a stab at stopping it from being initialized.

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun I’m more worried about people playing games and reporting low frame rates, completely forgetting that’s just how it was 🤣

[primal bolt]

@orchid nimbus how does WCW/nWo Revenge run on the latest update?

[wanton sun]

yxkalle made a hack that removes sram from oot and it boots then, but i cannot imagine why. Maybe the timing is different due to missing function calls or so

[primal bolt]

you could also try the Japanese version

[worn delta]

That's a good idea, and TBH I should have done this sooner. I've added an Info tab to the sheet which should hopefully make testing and how to use the sheet clearer for people

[zealous hull]

He's gonna IP block you from his FAQ if you're not careful. 😆

[primal bolt]

he already did

[zealous hull]

Nothing to lose then.

[primal bolt]

he is a really nice guy

just want to know how the wrestling games are running

[safe robin]

one of the mis running

[orchid nimbus]

then boot up the core yourself you magnicifent human being

[safe robin]

WCW vs NWO - World Tour runs since a few updates

[primal bolt]

I cant use my mister for 2 more weeks

or i would check myself

[wanton sun]

i hope you like fog

[orchid nimbus]

nice 😄

[safe robin]

the other 2 by Aki did not run last time i checked

[sacred valley]

Looking good

[daring meteor]

Yes I do, hahahaha

[zinc dew]

@primal bolt please don’t harass other members

[primal bolt]

im not

[zinc dew]

@orchid nimbus please no name calling

[primal bolt]

me and vampier go way back

[silent marten]

Holy shit this looks amazing

[orchid nimbus]

@primal bolt I asked you several time to quit asking me about wresteling games - I already made it very clear that I don't care and I don't test for others.

[zinc dew]

THE MAN WORKS MAGIC!

[mild ether]

I was reading about OOT and apparently there is a hidden save file that is used in the intro scene somewhere in the rom. So it's not a movie but being done in the game engine everytime the game loads?

[hexed knot]

Sweet, thanks for adding that. I especially like the note on Perfect, and the word meaningful on Boots. Very specific and good.

[primal bolt]

How would I know

[wanton sun]

he was stupid and used the wrong alpha color in the blender 😦

[mild ether]

Don't know though because I honestly never played the game.

[orchid nimbus]

adjusted 🙂

[zealous hull]

it's good to see everybody getting along

the update looks amazing, by the way robert

[primal bolt]

yea vampier is a really nice guy

[viral portal]

a long what?

[zinc dew]

lol thank you

[primal bolt]

can anyone else try the games?

[wanton sun]

nice, slide now has color

[mild ether]

Hola.

[sacred valley]

They don't work Phantasm. world tour still

[daring meteor]

Did this fix F-Zero?

[primal bolt]

Thank you, appreciate it

[daring meteor]

Or was that a different type of texture error

[wanton sun]

no idea

i don't have the ique version

[hexed knot]

rgw_panda had a No Boot listed on the spreadsheet for Wcw/Nwo revenge on the latest build.

[primal bolt]

i noticed the lighting is off in Star Fox level 1

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk your updates are going to get Foggy 😄

[primal bolt]

i assume there are lighting functions missing

[wanton sun]

star fox uses video out gamma, it's not implemented

[primal bolt]

ah neat

yea it looks dark

[wanton sun]

it's really only gamma however, so you could do it with a filter in mister 😅

[primal bolt]

lol

interesting

[paper orchid]

Oh did we change definitions?

I see we went from "Issues" to "Completeable"

[worn delta]

Yeah, that's the main one. Working is now Perfect (but nothing retail will be at this stage yet)

Here are definitions I added to an info tab on the sheet:

The status ranking is as follows:
Perfect: This game plays feature completeas well as original hardward with zero issues (note: at this stage no retail will be Perfect)
Completable: The game is 100% completable without patching the rom but there are issues
Playable: It is possible to get into the game and play (without patching rom) but there are issues and it is not completable
Boots: The game boots but is not playable in any meaningful way due to issues
No Boot: The game launches to a black or corrupted screen

-if anyone has anything else they think could beneficiail to be clarified on the info tab then let me know

[paper orchid]

So technically speaking I can move S&P to completable, right?

[stone pilot]

I felt like a cool kid for finishing the slide in the dark earlier. But only sort of a cool kid, since my time didn't get the extra star

[worn delta]

Sure, if you can confirm that

[paper orchid]

I did yesterday! 😁

I did a full playthrough with...two deaths

[worn delta]

Good effort

[paper orchid]

I have some notes on where there's issues, but no crashing on my end

[hexed knot]

I think quite a few games will likely move on up to Completable. (though spellcheck would tell me that's not a word)
I also think moondandy did a great job with the definitions, cause there's a way to phrase the difference between Boots and Playable that would mean a lot more games can jump up to Playable, which is probably not desirable.

[paper orchid]

Subtitles are dark, a couple textures aren't quite right (color/alpha issues?), and things like fog are missing, but no crashing on cutscenes or any of the areas where he had crashing before

[zinc dew]

This is awesome thank you!

[paper orchid]

(those are all noted on the sheet)

I'll make updates once I can get to my laptop

[undone oak]

Iss64 is working now. Not sure what core in the last week it started working haha. Texture filtering doesn’t seem to have much effect.

[devout leaf]

Nothing gets me more excited

[daring meteor]

It worked for a while

I think when copy mode got implemented

[orchid nimbus]

hmmmmmm...

[paper orchid]

he's gonna drop another bomb

[orchid nimbus]

😄

[loud tartan]

just wondering if there's a reason and a fix for why I'm getting "auto-detect failed" when I try to load the games?

[wanton sun]

the categories are very helpful. Later on it might be helpful to have some additional notes that will help fixing bugs, but for now i have enough bugs i can work on 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

@loud tartan yes

[worn delta]

n64-database
This column is for tracking if the rom is in the required N64-database.txt file
If you load the rom and "auto-detect failed" then it is not in the file - mark these as "Missing"
If you see no "auto-detect failed" message on launch then mark "Yes"

[orchid nimbus]

the database was updated yesterday

[worn delta]

What set are you using and what roms are you trying to load?

[orchid nimbus]

@loud tartan https://vampier.net/N64/N64-database.txt put in /games/N64

[zealous hull]

Would somebody more knowledgeable about the database inform me if it's possible for the core to autodetect based on filename rather than hash? I would guess very likely not, no?

[orchid nimbus]

NO

too many file names variations

[paper orchid]

Filename assumes that everyone can agree on one naming convention yeah

[worn delta]

Just use the HTGDB or No Intro packs and those retail games are in the database

[paper orchid]

This is 2023 and we still have 3-4 different n64 file extensions lol

[loud tartan]

I am successfully loading quite a few roms without issues, I downloaded yesterday's version of the database, and I think my games are from the HTGP (whatever it's called that replaced the smokemonster packs) so I think I am all up to date ..... just seeing that message about auto-detect failure quite a lot

[zealous hull]

Fair. I guess I was thinking about a more personalized db file that I could use just for myself. But I don't really think I'd have the time or patience to look into that, plus I imagine that would need to be handled at the core level.

So yeah, scratch that.

[paper orchid]

Wonder if a tool could be whipped up real quick

[zealous hull]

Just thinking of a solution for randomizers that have a different hash upon every randomization.

[orchid nimbus]

at this point only some homebrew and some demos are missing

[worn delta]

Would be good to get 40 Winks added

[waxen lodge]

I actually did find it on there, it was at the very bottom of Unlicensed

[loud tartan]

@vampier as an example I've just seen it on Aidyn Chronicles, Armorines, Asteroids Hyper 64, bassmasters 2000, battletanks ....... 5 games I've just tried on the belt that all display that message. does it matter what drive the N64 games folder is on?

kinda makes me think that the core isn't picking up on the text file for some reason

[worn delta]

Hmm, I still get the auto-detect failed message when loading

[paper orchid]

Where do you have the text file located?

IIRC it should be in the root of the N64 games folder

[orchid nimbus]

yes on boot usb hdd / sd card

just in case

[loud tartan]

it's in the root of the N64 games folder, which is contained on an external hdd

[waxen lodge]

Oh for the database, yeah, I think only the Proto is on there. I just meant the sheet

[orchid nimbus]

the filename is case sensitive

@loud tartan what version of main do you run?

[loud tartan]

it 's the unstable version from a week or so ago

[orchid nimbus]

ok just making sure 🙂

[remote hatch]

I noticed that the PAL version of Wave Race works much better, for an hour the game did not crash with the cache at 0, in fact it did not crash at all , I stopped testing 😋 Maybe it's just luck.

[loud tartan]

may have been from around mid august ... I know it's quite old in the scheme of things given how quickly this is moving

[cerulean elk]

Lol that I’ll def do a “fog or no fog” verbal poll for

Video at 4 today so no fog in that. Maybe Thursday. Or Friday. I’ve got other things I need to hang out

[loud tartan]

the text file is named as "N64-database.txt"

[orchid nimbus]

4am PST/CST/EST?

[fair stump]

Thank you for the clarifications. I know I went with working on some of the homebrew stuff because they worked but they just didn't really have any user input

Not really something that would apply outside homebrew I imagine

[wanton sun]

great, good to know, i will try it...ok tested and the sound and music is to fast 😅

[cerulean elk]

4 cst

[remote hatch]

But works! 😅

[cerulean elk]

32 minute of 64

[orchid nimbus]

for the next test build 😄

scroll up

#1096015979055697940 message

and then down

[hexed knot]

then up again, just for fun

[languid dune]

Where is muh daily core build!? I need muh fix'n!

[zinc dew]

then turn it around, slide up yes yes y’all

[random portal]

SO CLOSE I CAN TASTE IT!

[languid dune]

Delicious

[cerulean elk]

It’s gonna be a foggy Thursday then it seems on the channel 🤣

[languid dune]

Are we looking at fog implementation next?

Turok will finally be Turok.

[random portal]

so foggy, you were tending to your honeycomb, the beeman sprayed his working bees with the fogger (new core)

[eternal island]

i was curious what games relied on tlb and i cant find a list or anything. just mario 64 and goldeneye is what i found

im just curious

[languid dune]

Someone made a list here before.

[vapid moat]

Fog rolling in to next build?

[eternal island]

let me see if i can find it

[ocean lily]

tetrisphere, too

[orchid nimbus]

Dr Mario transparancy issues 😛

[silent marten]

Scroll up you will need to see it

[orchid nimbus]

reminds me of crappy windows games

[eternal island]

i had found it

[orchid nimbus]

now you have a leg to stand on

[eternal island]

🦵

[manic basin]

<Bad Santa Half.gif>

[topaz otter]

You move the stick and mario moves next week

[languid dune]

Scrolled up and saw the preview images of the next build! 🎉

Excitement levels...rising!

[topaz otter]

Thats the delay between nasa and the lunar lander

[verbal cedar]

Sorry, I'm new so hopefully this doesn't come out wrong. Is the TLB just not implemented yet, or is there a design concern that it won't ever be implemented (not enough resources/can't meet timing ect.).

[vapid moat]

Ouuu boi

[languid dune]

Just not implemented yet.

[verbal cedar]

thank god, I love Paper Mario !!!

[hasty kayak]

Goal Nets are missing from the Graphics but yes its playable.

[manic basin]

The music is SO GOOD

[languid dune]

I'd tell him to get in the robot, but he already is.

[verbal cedar]

is it especially tricky, sounds like implementing the syscalls and the graphics/computer functions would be a lot harder. Is it becaues it would take a redesign of the cache?

[daring meteor]

Tricky timing

[verbal cedar]

ah does it have to do with cache delay? Is there variable delay in the reads?

[languid dune]

Yeah, it'll probably be a late addition to the core. But I don't want to speak for Robert.

[daring meteor]

It has to do with the TLB returning in 1 cycle for some operations

[verbal cedar]

That'd explain it

[zealous hull]

It's far and away my favorite N64 game. I'm tempering expectations though. TLB is going to be pretty tricky to implement by even the most conservative estimates from what I've gathered.

[wanton sun]

it always returns the result in the SAME cycle, so it basically is free of cost as long as the tlb has the target address in it's 32element buffer

[verbal cedar]

omg its combinational?

[wanton sun]

so you have to compare 32x64bit addresses against a 64bit address and do a add + mask on the right one

[paper orchid]

Alright, finally updated the entry for S&P

I'm sure more games will be modified but I'm happy to at least make this a 1 on the Japan set lol

[wanton sun]

as this would be insane for the worst path, the instruction cache additionally has a 2 element tlb-cache so only 2 elements are compared

but data cache compares full 32 elements

[thorny marten]

I for some reason thought majors mask would be the harder game to get working but its playable b4 OOT will even boot

[daring meteor]

TLB cache, heh

[cerulean elk]

At first glance I saw a dinosaur and was wondering WTF fan hack you are playing 🤣

[wanton sun]

if things get hairy, i plan to have that kind of buffer with 2 or 4 elements also for the data path. Need to analyze how many entries games really use

[verbal cedar]

that's a lot of resources no? 32 parallel comparators and then a (priority?) decoder on the output?

[wanton sun]

yes, now you see why i haven't done it yet 🙂

[languid dune]

The Legend of Dino Crisis

[wanton sun]

the compare however is not really on the full 64bit, as each only has a area of different size

[verbal cedar]

yes I do haha. Let me know if I can help with any prototyping. I'm still pretty new to digital design (just entered industry), but I should know something

[verbal cedar]

whats the resources count as of rn?

[wanton sun]

what do you mean? logic usage of fpga?

[verbal cedar]

yeah, are we close to max ALU usage?

ALU--whoops LE

[wanton sun]

currently 74% used. Probably 80% when RDP is really done

[oblique remnant]

the DK64 Rap is out of sync with the Karaoke Text but I'm impressed how good this game (no exp pak version) already runs. Almost no graphical bugs and Id didn't crash so far

[verbal cedar]

oooof.... Not a lot of room for TLB

[wanton sun]

yes, fitting will be very hard above 90%, so there is not much space left

and there are also some other features missing

[verbal cedar]

right--I'm not going to lose hope till the end though 😦

I see why TLB needs to be last now, so you can try to get around it if needed if you run out of resources

[zealous hull]

Even if doesn't fit, this is a massive accomplishment.

[verbal cedar]

Absolutely.

[wanton sun]

in worst case i will use this "mini-tlb" and only compare less in one cycle. Our memory is faster so we can exchange clock cycle credits for tlb access time 😅

[zealous hull]

And I say that with Paper Mario being my most desired game. lol

[languid dune]

As long as I can play Mischief Makers and F-Zero X, I'll be happy!

[daring meteor]

What's gonna come first, YUV or TLB?

[verbal cedar]

oh that's absolutely true. great idea!

[wanton sun]

i hope nothing uses YUV...would be great if i can skip that

[verbal cedar]

Do you think there will be CDC concerns with a mini-tlb?

[wanton sun]

RSp also got some instructions that no official game uses, potentially we can save ressources there too

[verbal cedar]

oh nice!

[wanton sun]

cdc? clock domain crossing?

[verbal cedar]

if the memory is clocked faster don't you need to cross a clock domain to access it? Wouldn't that need a synchronizer to get rid of metastability?

(and that wouldn't work because sychronizers add latency, so I guess I don't get how it would work lol)

[daring meteor]

Killer Instinct Gold Projectile effects?
Really?
That's it?

[wanton sun]

no, tlb will be 93.75mhz just as the whole cpu. The memory interface to outside is only 62.5mhz but it's decoupled

[verbal cedar]

ohhhh okay

[random portal]

nice :)

[wanton sun]

the mini-tlb is not my idea, the original cpu has that for the instruction path: it only compares against 2 caches entries and stalls the cpu if the entry is not in the "mini-tlb" to ask the big one. However, i'm not sure if that lookup costs 1 cycle then or more, need to test that. We could do the same for the data path then, as i would guess most games don't use plenty of tlb areas the same time

[daring meteor]

Oh yeah I was about to say we should test that game on today's build (Assuming there will be one)

[storm parrot]

Maybe we don't need texture filtering and AA?

Not sure how much space that saves

[wanton sun]

filtering was 2-3%

[storm parrot]

It's something

[zealous hull]

just squint while you play

[languid dune]

I'm following this conversation with a blank stare on my face, but I'm enjoying it all the same.

[wanton sun]

but i don't want to drop that, too many games look horrible without

[marsh loom]

Some games I can’t move up and down. Is this cos I only have a dpad and don’t have an analog controller?

[zealous hull]

plus that's a lot of hard work to just throw away

[viral swift]

No Filtering, No AA = Not a N64 😜

[verbal cedar]

Ah got it. so the instruction one is easy, its just looks if the instruction matches the two entries in the tlb and returns it. The data one is harder because there are 32 64-bit instructions. On a miss it can take one cycle (stall), on a hit it happens in the same cycle?

Concern being, closing timing between the TLB registers since the FPGA has longer wire delay than the orginal hardware had to deal with + resource usage

[wanton sun]

yes, many games don't work without analog

[storm parrot]

Or maybe its one of those things where you have multiple builds

With different feature sets

[marsh loom]

Thanks bro. Guess I’ll have to buy a new pad

[eternal island]

i was thinking if it can't, the game list mentioned i'd be content with playing on something like my steam deck

[primal bolt]

it looks like PSX without filtering and AA

[eternal island]

i would miss paper mario being there though

[primal bolt]

is N64 really 32-bit?

[oblique remnant]

👀

[random portal]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[daring meteor]

You will not believe this

But

N64 is 64 bit

[languid dune]

hawt

[wanton sun]

drop some useless options like analog out, scanlines or shadowmasks 😛

[viral swift]

Yeah, i like the distinct N64 Look 😜

[storm parrot]

I also wonder if the Quartus II router is designed for tight capacity? Are there improvements

[random portal]

is her clothing supposed to look ripped?

[primal bolt]

why it looks 32-bit?

[mild ether]

I mean kinda 64bit.

[verbal cedar]

or Mario's face? who needs it

[primal bolt]

hale no

[eternal island]

how did paper mario use tlb? i'm kind of curious about that game in particular

[zealous hull]

With the decomp being finished, hopefully we can enjoy a native Linux port soon.

[eternal island]

wait, thats happening?

[primal bolt]

what does TLB stand for

[verbal cedar]

translation look-aside buffer. Basically look at your hands to see if you are holding it before reaching to the toolbelt (cache) or going to the truck (memory)

[primal bolt]

hmm

[weary beacon]

True Last Boss

[paper orchid]

You just need to move your hands to use the center handle

[daring meteor]

Last boss of the N64 core

[vagrant ivy]

its a cache that maps virtual memory to real memory

[paper orchid]

(Me as a kid wondering why I couldn't make the cart turn in MK64)

[primal bolt]

Thanks Tim

[weary beacon]

At least that’s how I read it as a shmups fan!

[mild ether]

All these disassemblies I am doing are not 64bit they are just plain 32bit.

[zealous hull]

The decomp has already happened. I'm not sure if anybody is working on a PC port or not, but we at least have source code now.

I imagine it's only a matter of time.

[worn delta]

Did a quick check of the Aleck64 games on the sheet with the updated .txt database and some of them don't display the auto-detect fail message. Could be good to run through all the tabs missing an entry for the database or are marked Missing and check what is now in and what is still missing, if anyone with the HTGBD pack is bored 🙂

[daring meteor]

Yeah only a few games used 64 bit instructions

[mild ether]

Have not come across it yet.

[wanton sun]

nearly all games use 64bit instruction at least for memory load/store and FPU

mostly because 64bit fpu instructions are about as fast as 32bit

[primal bolt]

the sytsem just looks so close to 32-bit without filtering and AA... in terms of graphics

but maybe not its hard to compare since its the only 64 bit console besides jaguar

[daring meteor]

I dunno but to me it looks way better than an Amiga 3000

[primal bolt]

to me it looks a little better than PSX

[vagrant ivy]

Amiga 3000 was the serious Amiga and never had AGA.

[primal bolt]

sometimes worse for textures without filtering

[daring meteor]

The serious 32 bit amiga

[primal bolt]

do we have amiga 3000 on mister

i dont know what that is

[daring meteor]

Yes but no

[primal bolt]

i know the other amigas

[daring meteor]

We have a fast Amiga

[vagrant ivy]

No we have the A1200 in Hyper warp mode

we dont have accurate timings on any Amiga other than the 500/600

[primal bolt]

oh

[vagrant ivy]

1200 runs much faster than a real amiga 1200

[daring meteor]

I don't think anyone really cares about accurate timings on a 3000 tho

[undone oak]

Woohoo! Starfox 64 beat!

[eternal island]

now i'm kind of excited for that too.. it makes zelda oot and mario 64 on steam deck my preferred way to play

[chilly ember]

I'm more excited for perfect dark pc port to get finished

Already a perfect dark pc port out there but still needs some work

[random portal]

are they implementing 4 player splitscreen?

[chilly ember]

I have no idea, that would be cool tho

I dont see why not

[cerulean elk]

One hand steals from the other. Love it

[chilly ember]

Ship of harkinan devs are working on a port of it too so be interesting to see how it differs

[zinc dew]

Single ram build for hdmi out, dual ram build for analog out

[verbal cedar]

RAM =/= logic elements unfortunately

[zinc dew]

don’t ruin my trolling

[wanton sun]

second ram costs about 3% of the logic

one reason why i never really considered it

[zinc dew]

Wow I didn’t know

[verbal cedar]

I really don't get what is taking Robert so long, he can just download more RAM and LE to the board to meet timing 🥱

[zinc dew]

lmao I love it

[lament escarp]

Keep them in but make them really bad and use as little alm as possible while still being technically functional. Win-win!

[vagrant ivy]

well us Tier 99 Patreons have the finished core already

[fair stump]

And it still doesn't run vivid dolls

[wanton sun]

the current cores already have 2 framework features dropped and no one has complained yet, so i guess i can drop them without risk

[modern sleet]

Ha but you would save even more getting rid of that beefy HDMI scalar 🙂 😉

[zinc dew]

What were they?

[worn delta]

It boots up now, be sure to get new .txt database and latest core

[lean spruce]

Its missing the scaling option

[wanton sun]

wait, even 4: adaptive scanlines, YC, HDMI downscaling and ALSA

[zinc dew]

ohhhhh

[verbal cedar]

you just want to know so you can complain about them lmao

[zinc dew]

I like the core but I really miss ALSA, YC, HDMI downscaling, and adaptive scanlines.

||I don’t even know what ALSA is lol||

[wanton sun]

ok, i add back ALSA if you tell me in the next minute what it even does 😛

[zinc dew]

LOL you got me!

[vagrant ivy]

Advanced Linux Sound Arch

[daring meteor]

ALSA? Like, Linux sound?

[vagrant ivy]

Its vital you rotter !

[daring meteor]

What would that even do on mister

[zinc dew]

It advances linux sound

[primal bolt]

nobody complaining cause we know the core isnt finished

[worn delta]

What is advanced Linux sound?

[vagrant ivy]

Vital !

[verbal cedar]

chatGPT never worked so hard

[lament escarp]

ALSA means all lazy sleep afternoon, it's when your just chilling.

[vagrant ivy]

without it the core isnt done. The Drama !

[verbal cedar]

When are we just going to ask ChatGPT to write the TLB?

[vagrant ivy]

I am going to reduce my Patreon tO tIER 98 UNTIL THIS TRAVESTY IS SORTED

[wanton sun]

maybe in the end there can be a special YC core and maybe the adaptive scanlines added back. ALSA and downscale really noone needs with this core i guess

for now i just dropped everything i could to keep the development cycle short

[worn delta]

What does ASLA actually do?

[daring meteor]

We ALL want ALSA

[fair stump]

Buncha jokers in chat today

[lament escarp]

VERY short

[daring meteor]

Most requested feature

[junior pine]

Please keep shadowmasks and scanlines, things don't look good over HDMI without those

[verbal cedar]

ALSA is my fave game on N64

[vagrant ivy]

We need Alsa and we really need Elsa too

I say let it snow until the core is fixed

[buoyant plume]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture

[primal bolt]

if the choice was that or Tubro overclock I would choose turbo and get RetroTink for scanlines

[wanton sun]

from my understanding ALSA is is there to occupy ressources we can get back? oh pardon, i think it allows the linux to play audio in the core

[vagrant ivy]

ALSA !

[nimble needle]

I need new pants!

[vagrant ivy]

I may have got a Vowel wrong

[junior pine]

Will you get a RetroTink for me? Oh yes? yes? Ohh.. how nice of you

[fair stump]

Are one of those missing features why text tends to look kinda squished and unreadable since I'm using a filter preset?

[junior pine]

In exchange for stupid "trubo" (hmpf!)

[primal bolt]

no

[worn delta]

Well if cutting it makes space for Rumble Pak support... 🙂

[wanton sun]

don't worry, i will get the priorities right: transfer pak >>> rumble pak

[daring meteor]

No, it's because Robert set the minimum number of lines at 139

007 the world is not enough has never seen more boots until now

[primal bolt]

you don't deserve a free RetroTink if you think filters are more important than performance

donate the money to buy two and I will buy you one

[lean spruce]

when using only analog output, is it possible to disable the HDMI scaler completely? And can that impact performance in a core that is DDR memory intensive?

[junior pine]

Performance is a thing. "Trubo" is another thing

[weary palm]

Salsa? Now I want tacos.

[stone pilot]

But what about Pokemon Stadium Shindou Edition

[primal bolt]

and what other thing is that?

[weary palm]

How am I going to play without HDMI

[wanton sun]

yes, scaler has big influence

[lean spruce]

Ho do I disable it

I know N64 core doesnt support analog yet, but asking for other cores

like PSX

[stone pilot]

It can be disabled when building a core using the DEBUG_NOHDMI flag

you can't toggle it on and off in a given core that has it

[lean spruce]

oh, ok. Thats too bad

[wanton sun]

well, let's not slice the FPGA right now when it's not even clear we will run in a short situation. Might be it will all fit well. Also there is still room for optimization in the current design

[zealous hull]

Thank you for everything you're doing, Robert. ❤️

[modern sleet]

I was surprised how well quartus fit the psx core.. it just found room to fit everything

Obviously with your magic haha

[wanton sun]

yes it was amazing. Even builds with 97% worked well

i just fear it will be harder with n64 to get that high due to the much higher clock on all components

but maybe it will just do it's magic 🙂

[eternal island]

i'm pretty excited to see how this goes. there are actually only a couple n64 games i really like, but they are big ones for me

[drowsy lantern]

Oh so I wasn’t crazy when I was feeling like the scanlines weren’t adaptive! 🤯

[orchid nimbus]

@shut sentinel made some really nice adaptive scanlines

[twin barn]

the ol "use an extra hidden DSP block" trick eh?

[viral portal]

If somehow we can't fit everything inside the MiSTer setup, could we put what fits together as "stable" and call the core Nintendo 63?

[twin barn]

one less multiplier in LE's is a good chunk of space saved

[primal bolt]

a couple is two

there has to be more

[eternal island]

listen here bub, maybe its a few, maybe its a couple. it might even be a bundle of games.

[primal bolt]

its 33

[eternal island]

maybe less, maybe more. could it possibly be a bunch?

[primal bolt]

I just know you would like more than 2 games

[eternal island]

you don't know that. maybe its 2. it could be

[primal bolt]

I know it

[eternal island]

my favorite games are everyones favorite n64 rpg, and that one super hero game that is famous

[compact depot]

It’s a MiSTery

[orchid nimbus]

imagine that FPGAZumSpass travelled into the future to take the code his future version already made - and is just leaking the new code bit by bit 😄

[eternal island]

the PSX core led to time travel after he sped up chrono trigger

[primal bolt]

he doesn't have government time travel technology

so your theory is bunk

[mild ether]

Enables the cheats menu and invincibility works but not sure how to use the items or level select options. Maybe you can make it work.

Should be able to at least test to game to completion easy with it.

[primal bolt]

can you make a 60 FPS hack for WWF No Mercy

[mild ether]

Probably not.

[primal bolt]

that would be legendary

as long as it doesnt speed up the gameplay

it probably would though

[mild ether]

Something tells me the game cannot go 60fps

[primal bolt]

probably not without overclock/turbo

[orchid nimbus]

@primal bolt just wants to see men wrestle eachother in tight spandex

[primal bolt]

wrestling is a real mans sexual sport

it started in Greece

[orchid nimbus]

just as leathered up bikers in stuffy bars

[drowsy lantern]

Did that yesterday as well! Such an incredible game, still today!

[primal bolt]

then the aliens came and wiped out sodom and gemorrah

[drowsy lantern]

I can't get over how awful this suit design is. Like, it looks like a placeholder texture that you would use while waiting for the proper texture to be finished. 😂

[drowsy lantern]

But does Mario have eyes? 👀

[primal bolt]

we dont need no stinkin eyes

[random portal]

I know what you mean. I guess I never though about that cause I played this game so much as a kid.

[primal bolt]

is that road rash

i only tried jail break before

on n64.... other consoles i played the rest

[mild ether]

I am having more fun playing with the tools for disassembling n64 stuff than play the core. N64 on MiSTer is good times all around.

[primal bolt]

figure out 60 fps hacks

youll be the new king of pop

[quaint rune]

hee hee

[mild ether]

I will get back to you in years.

[primal bolt]

a bunch of games are locked at 30 if we can unlock that and add a bit of turbo.... BAM!!!

ask that dude who did the mario 64 60fps hack

[mild ether]

I heard about that a little but it sounds like it was just overall improvements to the code that got more fps. I could be wrong.

[primal bolt]

yea maybe it was

but a framerate lock in games could just be a toggle/hex edit alot of times

[mild ether]

I can't even understand C so could not even do anything like that.

[primal bolt]

many games they just lock it to 30 cause they dont want it jumping from 30-45 etc.

or whatever... they just want it a flat framerate