Nintendo 64

[remote hatch]

Chopper Attack looks nice

[cerulean elk]

Sold a complete in box mint Dracula X US version and I got so much shit in return lol

[sly wasp]

oh your (4 year old) vid on this uses the Jap version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoTG54I90Z8

[cerulean elk]

lol guess it was before the pandemic. What is time any more?

back when I tried to make unique thumbnails work vs just "doing it youtube style"

or did shit like this

https://youtu.be/eUgq8oLHnn0

my fav moment in the YT channel...and it was everyone elses LEAST favorite

I was investigated for murder lolol

watch and then I will tell the story

[vagrant ivy]

should have used real human blood

[cerulean elk]

it is real blood

[vagrant ivy]

not Human !

[mortal panther]

Track 2 😉
https://youtu.be/RXd75NJFmdE?t=393

[vagrant ivy]

you could have sacrificed Basketsnake

[cerulean elk]

tell that to my neighbor who called the police when I took all the sheets and paper towels outside...they reported I killed my wife

[sly wasp]

excellent editing but controversial AF! I'm surprised it stayed up tbh

[cerulean elk]

cost me a fortune

[vagrant ivy]

Should have waited till night then drag a body shaped black bag to the car, throw ina shovel and driven off

[cerulean elk]

beef blood is NOT cheap and that cross is an antique 1800s German Pectoral cross

[sly wasp]

that is cool af! nice find!

[cerulean elk]

its on my liquor shelf upside down still stained with blood lol

I stopped putting anything too artistic on the channel. Never worked

[sly wasp]

Channel is awesome now..everything (editing, voiceover, content and style) just seems on point

[cerulean elk]

my goal is to get big enough to buy EXTRA blood next time lol

[sly wasp]

much improvement over that 4yo vid but even that was pretty good..just lots of umms and ahhs and less music/tight editing

[sly wasp]

that'll happen I'm sure..next time just bury the bloody sheets in the garden at night when the neighbours surely won't see you

[cerulean elk]

its funny in the beginning the channel had more art stupidity and worse voice overs and now ive gotten the whole VO down easily but I had to streamline the weirdness

[atomic stratus]

finally grabbed the test core…mario kart doesn’t boot for me 🥲 followed Vampier’s directions, but maybe I just have a bad rom or something?

[sly wasp]

tried a different game?

[atomic stratus]

yeah only game I got to boot so far is irritating stick

[vagrant ivy]

how big is your bios if its bigger than 1984 bytes you chose poorly

[sly wasp]

I'll DM you something to try

[atomic stratus]

I matched the sha-1 from vampier’s guide to my file and it matched

[sly wasp]

did you check the bios hashes too?

[vagrant ivy]

I would run Vampiers Update script from his webpage then you know its set up correctly

[sly wasp]

having said that though I use the no intro jap /usa bios that isn't in the list and it worked for me

[atomic stratus]

thanks for the help guys i’ll have to check into it a bit later

[wanton sun]

mario kart doesn't need database or unstable main to boot. So if ANY games boots, you know your pif rom is also fine, so it's 100% the game rom

[atomic stratus]

ahhh interesting!

[wanton sun]

could be it's not .z64 format? in this case unstable main is required to do the data rotation

[vagrant ivy]

Get the No Intro z64 set

[atomic stratus]

yeah its actually n64 format

[wanton sun]

yes, then use unstable main and it should work

(or convert to .z64)

[atomic stratus]

cool! I’ll try that for sure thank you 🙏

[orchid nimbus]

@atomic stratus read my FAQ careFULLy 😄

[vagrant ivy]

Why would anyone do that ! Faqs are for ignoring 🙂

[devout leaf]

To be fair, reading is for nerds.

[atomic stratus]

@orchid nimbus I thought I did but I guess I didn’t

[orchid nimbus]

oh well

[remote hatch]

Ehh I'm nerd

[worn delta]

If you use htgdb Everdrive pack or no Intro then you are good to go with file format

[vagrant ivy]

We need the core to pop a dialog saying have you read the FAq before every game

[wanton sun]

maybe @orchid nimbus can add that if anything else than .z64 is used, unstable main is a requirement?

[orchid nimbus]

I am hoping that the sync with stable will be done soon

it's been quite some time

[wanton sun]

yes, that would make things easier

[orchid nimbus]

can you poke Sorg? 😄

[vagrant ivy]

I thought Kitrinx was the Sorg whisperer

[woeful grove]

More like harasser

[wanton sun]

maybe @bronze tree can also sneak in the pad convert code before the release 😅

[vagrant ivy]

and the Kernal change for NSO pads

[wanton sun]

that's different from mister main, isn't it?

[vagrant ivy]

yes

[orchid nimbus]

@woeful grove is always watching - didn't even tag her and she shows up

[lament escarp]

Don't forget the n64 nso driver updste in shigs linux kernel

Though that still has an issue with the n64 modkit, needing it to re-pair each time the connection was dropped.

[devout leaf]

And now we play the waiting game

[quick otter]

No luck here with mario 64

[devout leaf]

Did you patch it?

[wanton sun]

you need to patch the game or wait until the tlb is added 🙂

[quick otter]

Mario kart works pretty nice

Ahhhhh ok ok

[weary beacon]

Now that the n64 core has progressed, is it still unrealistic to expect full accuracy on the de10 nano?

[wanton sun]

100% full accuracy is impossible with the ddr3 being shared with hps, scaler and core, but hopefully we get very close

[atomic stratus]

unstable main FTW 🎉

[orchid nimbus]

nice

[wanton sun]

also 100% perfect is unrealistic in any case due to the complexity of the system, to be honest

if it gets to psx core levels i will be happy

[devout leaf]

Out of curiosity whats the next part you're currently targeting?

[atomic stratus]

So will we

[devout leaf]

Or working on I should say.

[wanton sun]

will work on the rdp again, still plenty of things to do

[worldly flint]

As long as it's as accurate or more accurate than most emulators people won't mind.

[plush summit]

The responsiveness of the core is already worthwhile

[sly wasp]

it already is

[cerulean elk]

I try to explain to people in comments when they ask "will it be 100% accurate" that "if it isnt you would never know. Some inacuracies are impossible to detect and are just number variances on a test somewhere"

[sonic kiln]

What if there was a kernel that mapped HPS and scaler to the second SDRAM and left DDR3 to cores lol

I don't think possible

[vapid hawk]

is there a new build today?

[lean spruce]

can it be as accurate as your emulator?

[sonic kiln]

The GPIOs are connected to the FPGA so probably not

[wanton sun]

HPS cannot use the sdram as main memory most likely

[vapid hawk]

the scaler needs way more bandwidth than one sdram chip can provide anyway

[vagrant ivy]

6 so far have you been asleep ?

[wanton sun]

and for scaler it would be too slow

[vapid hawk]

seriously 6 builds? i was at work lol

[wanton sun]

he is just joking, no new build today

[vapid hawk]

oh ok lol

[lament escarp]

Any chance you'll sneak in save to sd for mario kart sometime soon? Than it would be borderline finished. 🙂

[sonic kiln]

There was a register I found to prioritize fpga accesses to memory, but as you tested (and I confirmed recently with the ddr3 testcore), it just made things slower

[worldly flint]

100% accuracy isn't really an option for 5th gen consoles. Full compatibility with imperceptible differences is a more reasonable goal.

[wanton sun]

🫢 that was the secret mystery

[vagrant ivy]

Got you 🙂

[cerulean elk]

@fallen sparrow you take Sunday/Monday if a video is needed lol...its labor day and I am just laboring drinks into my mouth

[vagrant ivy]

no its labour day !

dont wear white after Labor day is all I know about that hol

[fallen sparrow]

My schedule is, I have no schedule, apart from the Saturday news video, which drops anytime lol

I was gonna try and do some video stuff just now, when I got home, but the old man in me says " Frankie says relax"

[cerulean elk]

My wife has Sun/Mon off so that means I am off

[fallen sparrow]

Nice

I'll try and get stuff done over the next few days

[lament escarp]

I endorse this mindset. 🍻🥂🍸

[fallen sparrow]

@cerulean elk should do a drunk video, he's too clean cut

[cerulean elk]

lol nobody has ever met me in real life

I am NOT the person you hear on the channel

[fallen sparrow]

Drunk*

[eternal island]

i love you all. i forgot i had monday off

until i just read

[lament escarp]

In Germany we already had our labour day in may. So I have to work. 😦

[vagrant ivy]

Phone your boss and say I am not coming in as its a hol in the States I am sure he wont fire you

[lament escarp]

In bavaria we have 13 holidays per year, which is more than anywhere else in Germany, but most of them are religious, so we have to act like we care about that to keep them.

[cerulean elk]

In the US we die at work

[hollow rune]

Has anyone else tried Crusin World. I am streaming right now and just tested it and I think it is working

[fallen sparrow]

My channel is faceless, and will remain like that. I would one day, like to invite everyone to the arcade for a fun evening.

Just have to arrange it with some notice.

[cerulean elk]

Works super well. Maybe like 80% speed

[hollow rune]

\Like I compared it to a Longplay video and it looks perfect

oh ok

that I didn't realize

[cerulean elk]

yeah Imma need a bit of notice...ocean and all

[cerulean elk]

like I think...dont quote me lol

[fallen sparrow]

I don't think I have

[hollow rune]

It is locked at 30 with cache

[lament escarp]

So it's a pal version now!

[fallen sparrow]

Haha, I don't expect you to come lol, more of a London UK thing.

[cerulean elk]

you never know what Id do

[fallen sparrow]

But would be cool

Awesome, I'm friendly with my local arcade

Edit - typo

[cerulean elk]

Ill do a competing game night in Chicago but itll have blackjack and hookers

[fallen sparrow]

VGE, loved by hookers

[hollow rune]

I will leave it playable until i get a 2nd opinion from an expert on the game, but if you want a solid performing game check out Crusin' World with the cache.

[fallen sparrow]

@hollow rune are you streaming now?

[hollow rune]

yes

[cerulean elk]

playable

[vagrant ivy]

https://www.twitch.tv/rgw_panda

[hollow rune]

on twitch though

I have to wait for youtube to let me stream

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks

[cerulean elk]

liked and followed

[mellow path]

your definition of close enough is quite ambitious!

[cerulean elk]

horror Slippy

[fallen sparrow]

@hollow rune is awesome on twitch.

[cerulean elk]

Slippy has seen some shit

[fallen sparrow]

Nice, a self portrait on the thumbnail

[zinc dew]

I love it when Slippy says that in Star Fox 64

[cerulean elk]

it was all I could do to not write "I Gotta Shit"

he runs like he has the stomach flu

[vapid hawk]

once rt4k/morph come out it might be possible to remove the scaler entirely and only offer basic native resolution output

[hearty python]

How compare the core with your software emulator in this ?

[woeful grove]

there's already plenty of scalers you know, it's not like there's no existing external scalers

[sonic kiln]

Isn't the scaler built in the core rbf? You'd need to have 2 core builds, one with scaler and one without. Might not be worth the trouble

[cerulean elk]

we dont even know what 4K will cost. Plus youve gotta wait for an install base. I still use my Framemeister quite happily

[native mesa]

If anyone wonders what he means by PSX levels of accuracy. It's like one cycle off over the course of hours or soemthing

[cerulean elk]

especially for arcade boards. Nothing beats Framemeister in the arcade board sync department

[sonic kiln]

I hope it will be price competitive with the morph. I'll definitely get one of the two next gen scalers

[cerulean elk]

which no human would ever notice. Thats like one frame of drift in audio over the course of a two hour movie

[lament escarp]

I've been also thinking about combining the mister with the tink4k. Would be nice, but not a priority.

[cerulean elk]

I think it really comes down to each persons tv. Whether or not it takes a 1080p signal and scales it to 4K with minimal lag / zero picture processing

if native 4K in bypasses a lot of issues with YOUR tv, totally worth it. Other tvs might not super benefit JUST from the scale. Sure the other functions in the 4K will be useful but as a pure signal scaler it really depends on what TV you are running

[hollow rune]

Thanks to everyone who watched the stream. I like doing the testing, but it is a lot more fun with an audience!

[lament escarp]

It was a lot of fun watching too!

[lament escarp]

I have a tink5x right now for all my analog consoles, it's nice and mike chi is porting back a lot of good features/improvements he made for the 4k to the 5x. But a new toy is a new toy, so I'm really torn on the issue.

[sly wasp]

Talking of displays/resolution, is this true? : ``` The VDP (Video display processor) in the N64 is processing the image at 640x480. The final output of the signal will always be at either 240p or 480i because those are the only possible output resolutions for the N64's video encoder. Video encoders take the raw digital output of the VDP and turn it into a signal which we can see

[native mesa]

I too want to do this. Probably with a second mister

[vapid hawk]

i was thinking of the resources it might save on the de10nano if you didn't need it to also be a scaler

might enable some bigger/faster cores than you could otherwise do

[modern sleet]

The n64 is a 240p system for the most part, it's standard resolution is 640x240 but scales based on the game. At least from my understanding

[sly wasp]

ahh thanks..this kinda explains why I get a vertically squished menu in the n64 core on my crt but games look like they have some wierd "anti-scanlines"

[vapid hawk]

this is 320x240 with deblur on

[sly wasp]

but deblur isn't in yet is it? in any case it would be interesting to know what is being outputted by the core and what's coming (at some point)

[vapid hawk]

its more like blur isn't in yet so

i think its coming out 320x240 right now

[viscid nebula]

hmmm updated to the latest core and now everything loads black

any ideas?

should I remove N64-database.txt

[sly wasp]

Menu definitely not 320x240

[hearty python]

Think 480 I/p and then scaler is max.

Doubling the resolution results in quadruple data

[fair stump]

I know some people were working on joystick stuff. Where is that discussion happening? I think I have a good test case to check out

[vapid hawk]

#controllers

[viscid nebula]

any ideas why nothing is loading anymore?

just black screen

worked in the last build

[sonic kiln]

I wish they went with DisplayPort. I like that connector a lot better as it locks

[viscid nebula]

nm

missing the pif file

my bad

oh my gawd this is amazing

[mortal apex]

It can also get scary at times 🫢

[viscid nebula]

my kids are going nuts over mario 64

they've been waiting forever

[dreamy ridge]

it's kind of wild to think how right they got mario 64

[hollow rune]

I mean if any group of people were going to define third person 3D gaming, seems like they were going to be the ones

[weary palm]

What CIC type should I select for Aleck64 titles?

[languid dune]

Haven't had a chance to try it out yet. Been busy this week with my niece visiting! I think I got it, but I'll chime in if I have any questions!

[blissful plaza]

5101, if I remember well.

CIC-NUS-5101: Boot protection chip (MAME source)

[desert nest]

I dunno, I'd rather things break apart before the force makes its way to the MiSTer. HDMI is a pretty firm connector in my experience anyway.

Ahem... some of us saw that 😂

[weary palm]

I SAW THAT

[desert nest]

Now we have to wait and see if it's true

[viscid nebula]

banjo doesn't boot anymore?

or diddy kong racing

[orchid nimbus]

@viscid nebula update_all might have overwritten unstable mister main

replace and try again

[viscid nebula]

I didn’t run update all

Mario 64 still works

[sly wasp]

.z64s boot on stable I think, .n64s don't as they need unstable

[viscid nebula]

Gex 3

Ah

[sly wasp]

from Robert earlier

[dreamy ridge]

trying to figure out why diddy kong racing is black screening for me. is there a hash of the known good .pif?

so i can compare mine?

[sly wasp]

yeah the hashes are on Vampier's page in the pins

[dreamy ridge]

got it, thanks

[viscid nebula]

mine are all .z64

from the no-intro set

gotcha

so we want big endian

[sly wasp]

in that case the update_all thing shouldn't break it

[viscid nebula]

well I never ran update_all since the last core was installed

[sly wasp]

I\ll try diddy now and if it works I can dm you some bits

[viscid nebula]

hum

all of mine are big endien

[dreamy ridge]

strange, my .pif is a dead ringer for the hash on vampier's site

[sly wasp]

i'm using no intro jap/usa pif renamed to boot.rom

[viscid nebula]

oh

I'm reading the collection has corrupt roms if you download the full zip

[sly wasp]

my pif isn't listed on vampier's site

[viscid nebula]

that could do it

[sly wasp]

yeah try grabbing it separate then

[native mesa]

Jdownloader is the way

[sly wasp]

just tested it, diddy kong racing working all good here with usa/jap pif from no-intro

[viscid nebula]

Alright thanks guys

[orchid nimbus]

I had the same

Not even an error code

Solution above

[lone geyser]

Custom main that scales analog down to octagon

#controllers message

[dreamy ridge]

👍 thanks bud, i did update all earlier this week, this is almost certainly the problem

[orchid nimbus]

I totally feel those 2ms difference!!

[undone oak]

where do we put the zImage_dtb file to use NSO controller

[dreamy ridge]

you should put it through its paces with a high-intensity title like q_u_e_s_t_sixty_four

[hearty oar]

In the linux directory on your SD card. If you’re replacing it live then just rename the old one first, copy across the new one and cold reboot

[undone oak]

@hearty oar thank u!

[carmine kettle]

linux folder

[undone oak]

Multi racing championship(mrc) seems to be working well now with the cache. Before it always stuck on the opening backup/rumble pak message

The screen is a little squashed when the gameplay begins though but is fine in the menus.

Very chunky pixels haha

[brisk drum]

My wife has Friday through Monday off

[undone oak]

Constant 30fps too

[brisk drum]

See you at evo!

[cerulean elk]

thats one I will admit to having NEVER played

I am really working the ranges on Nintendo today. Uploaded another fun testing video tomorrow for N64 and knocked out a Wii U Steam Deck guide

[undone oak]

Haha love ur video updates dude. I think my girlfriend is gettin tired of them though 😂

[cerulean elk]

Just tell her “like and subscribe”. She will become a fan 🤣

I think my wife is tired of hearing about what’s new in the N64 core too

[neat sierra]

She should do 30 laps of Killing Time as punishment

[undone oak]

😂😂

[ember linden]

has anyone tested any of the 64dd cart ports (found on https://64dd.org/dumps_p.html )? I wont be able to for quite a while

these might use a lot of unimplemented stuff if i had to guess

[undone oak]

This will sound ridiculous but is there a 64dd cart port of Mario 64dd

[mortal apex]

Not sure if its based on a different set, but there's a page in the testing sheet for 64dd : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit#gid=1540797342

Seems like nothing was booting as of the 26th sadly. No one updated the list for the newest core though.

[cerulean elk]

god I wish I could ban you lol

[cerulean elk]

snake eating its own tail lol

[ember linden]

i figured honestly, although I wonder what in specific stops it

There might need to be RTC support to launch them but I'm unsure

They use CIC 5167 which was custom made by Zoinkity

[undone oak]

Tried a few 64dd games there. Just launching to black screen

[desert crow]

looks like the 5167 cic type was in the recently added code.

[carmine kettle]

its not on database code, that why is not booting

[undone oak]

Interesting, wonder if that would be all that’s needed to get to title screens even

Trying extreme-g here. Still can’t see too much

[fair stump]

You can tell it runs so smooth though 😅

One I'm keeping an eye on

[ember linden]

the 64dd cart ports still arent the best way to play those games and ideally it'd be better to support the .ndd files but I'd consider that some sort of "endgame" addition after the general core is mostly finished

[neat sierra]

I’m part of you now

[dreamy ridge]

damn, putting the latest unstable-nightly version of mister main didn't get me up and running with diddy kong 😭

has the N64-database been updated in the last two weeks? that's literally the only other variable i can think of

[chilly ember]

Is it loading the right cic?

6103 for Diddy Kong Racing

[dreamy ridge]

good question let me check...i just copied the text from vampier's site into a notepad file named N64-database.txt and dropped it in my roms folder...that's all i need to do right?

[vapid hawk]

i'd download it as an actual file

you may of ended up with the wrong encoding or line endings in your file, copy+pasting text is a minefield

[carmine kettle]

yup

[worn delta]

I wasn't able to download it as a file on my mac, had to copy and paste and save out also (worked fine).

[vapid hawk]

here i downloaded it

the name is case sensitive too, but if you just download that file it should already be fine

[dreamy ridge]

that may have been it actually, when i dl'd it it was 72kb and the one i created was 73kb...testing now, fingers crossed

[vapid hawk]

probably a line endings thing

its a miracle any computers work at all when they can't even agree how to put text in a file

[worldly quartz]

besides vru and gameboy transfer, any other real nifty uses for an n64 snac?

[vapid hawk]

hey you pikachu mic

[hearty oar]

nothing worse than well intentioned programs changing your line endings or assuming some encoding

[vapid hawk]

memory cards if you want to bring in saves from your real n64

[worldly quartz]

Yeah, I don't think n64 had many itneresting controllers now that I think about it

compared to PSX and saturn

[orchid nimbus]

It wasn’t as popular either

[vapid hawk]

i think we just got spoiled with psx having like 8 million things

[orchid nimbus]

If it wasn’t for 1st party titles the N64 would have been what the Dreamcast was for sega

[hearty oar]

no light gun games which was always a shame

[worldly quartz]

man we could have had duck hunt 64

[hearty oar]

the long awaited sequel to Metal Combat

[orchid nimbus]

Who had enough light gun action with the Wii

[viscid nebula]

metal combat

my love

[cerulean elk]

There’s no such thing as too much light gun

A genre that the N64 failed hard at with a grand total of zero

[vapid hawk]

isn't hey you pikachu kind of a lightgun game without a lightgun 😄

[worldly quartz]

i needed more on the wii/ps3 era

[vapid hawk]

actualy goldeneye was going to be a lightgun game wasn't it? i read that somewhere

[cerulean elk]

That’s like saying the moon is like the sun because you can see it in the sky

[worldly quartz]

even the xbox 1 had light guns

[chilly ember]

I know Goldeneye was on rails to begin with but not sure if it was a lightgun game

https://youtu.be/42bPvXDAV7Y?si=8UgbawsaKmlYEzwb

[worldly quartz]

but I guess for n64, they would have had to start from scratch since most shooters then probably couldn't fit on carts without big sacrifices

[plush summit]

It's obviously Rare footage, they made the game

[chilly ember]

Hahah that's what I was thinking

[brisk drum]

Tried every single debug option on the core to get daikatana working..:

Failed

[chilly ember]

Daikitana gets in the menu old data cache build that was deleted

[brisk drum]

Dang

[chilly ember]

Freezes at the intro video anyways

[brisk drum]

I was able to get into the menu with this build

[vapid hawk]

i kinda wish someone would romhack this as a mode into the original game

seems a pretty cool idea

[brisk drum]

But yeah crashes as soon as you try to start a game

[chilly ember]

I agree or a early beta leaked

[worn delta]

Anyone tried the 4 PAL exclusives? None booted a few builds back

[hearty oar]

the only PAL game I tried is HSV Adventure racing, didn't boot

not sure if the equivalent Beetle Adventure Racing NTSC boots

[chilly ember]

Nah beetle doesn't boot

[marble cargo]

Always thought it was weird that the Taz game in particular was a PAL exclusive.

[desert crow]

the DD version of Mario 64 doesn't have the face so it's playable

[chilly ember]

Pal version of beetle adventure racing gets to start menu tho

Weird

Ok tried ntsc version again and it got the start menu the second time

[cerulean elk]

It worked on MiSTer?

[desert crow]

yeah I used the one patch called 64DD to Cart

[manic basin]

Is it just in the normal patch site listings? I'll try it out!

[desert crow]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7484/

[dreamy ridge]

lol i just tried this one today too. never played it before but people say it's great

[chilly ember]

I haven't played it either lol

[thick terrace]

california speed is really cool. ya gotta spam start to get it going. mojave track runs through a space ship. Finished the race but couldnt enter my name. controls on the letter entry would only let me go up and down, but not left and right. might be the classic playstation controller Im using.

[manic basin]

Is California Speed the one where you can eventually drive a taco?

Nope. that's Top Gear.

[orchid nimbus]

no California speed is where you run around naked in downtown LA chasing tourists around city hall while the sidewalk is littered with cardboard boxes

[manic basin]

MethRush: The Rock

[nova grotto]

Then why people can run donkey kong 64 that needs expansion pak while in my case it ask me for that in order to boot the game

[carmine kettle]

i think its a patch game like mario 64

[chilly ember]

Yea it's a patch

[manic basin]

IPS patch

Check Vampier's page in the pinned comments.

[nova grotto]

Thanks I'll

[hearty oar]

@orchid nimbus would it be worth/possible to have your test script download the updated linux image with the NSO drivers, along with the unstable main? I don't think it'll be compatible with the mappings on the website, but you at least won't need them anymore because the issue with too sensitive stick should disappear

(I'm also getting a little tired of explaining to people how to update that file lol)

[orchid nimbus]

@hearty oar I think it's not worth the time

the core is experimental at this stage

the script is to make setup for testing easier

if people want to do more difficult stuff that's up to them

sorry

[hearty oar]

maybe just some words that I can point people at then, in place of the section with the special mappings for that controller?

seeing as this will replace the need for that

although yeah hopefully soon the changes can be merged and then it won't be an issue anymore

[zinc dew]

sometimes people need to work to gain knowledge

[orchid nimbus]

you write it with links and I'll include it

[zinc dew]

like me, where do I find the faq

[trim seal]

People (and tinkerers) learn from their mistakes. But wise people learn from other people's mistakes :p

[orchid nimbus]

at this point it's written on toilet paper after you wipe

[zinc dew]

Thank you

[orchid nimbus]

....... grmblz

[zinc dew]

how many messages do you get per day about the N64

[hearty oar]

If you are using the NSO N64 controller and are having issues mapping it due to it being overly sensitive, or would like to be able to use it via USB instead of bluetooth you can use this linux image with added driver support. It must be placed in your "/media/fat/linux" folder, in place of your exisiting zImage_dtb file. If you are replacing it live, simply rename the old file and copy across the new one, then cold reboot your MiSTer.

#test-builds message

[orchid nimbus]

do we still need the settings I mention in that topic

[hearty oar]

the mappings? No, in fact they won't work with this new driver afaik

[orchid nimbus]

ok so it overules that

@hearty oar

[hearty oar]

awesome, thanks Vampier!

[dreamy ridge]

wario just dunked on me in the kallamari desert

[hearty oar]

I am legitimately floored by how hard that game is on 150cc, it's a real struggle to stay ahead of the AI, not sure how I managed to clear the cups as a kid...

like you pretty much need to power slide at every possible opportunity, use every item you can and even if it feels like you should be pulling away the AI racers are still somehow only a few tenths behind you

meanwhile in Mario Kart 8 you can get so far ahead of them that you can stop and go over the line backwards 😆

[marble cargo]

I actually like that the AI puts up a fight in Mario Kart 64

[hearty oar]

yeah not complaining about it at all, it's a fun challenge 😄

[dreamy ridge]

DK can put a banana between your eyes from 100 yards away

[chilly ember]

Ai can't even use all the items

There's a patch for that

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4802/

Never tried it, sounds like a pain lol

[hearty oar]

probably need to strip out the AI hitstun cheating to compensate for that

the rubber banding is fine, they can't powerslide like you can

[night silo]

That's interesting, I haven't played it in a couple years but I don't remember it being all that difficult completing all the cups on 150. I don't think I really used powerslide either, it feels really weird to me lol

[dreamy ridge]

i wonder if powersliding was in the manual or just one of those passed knowledge from kid to kid

i never powerslid once as a kid...though to be fair i only played it at friends'

[zinc dew]

it was in the manual, it explained how to do it with the holding reverse direction to build up boost

[random portal]

what's the Disc version? custom maps like with F-Zero X?

[dreamy ridge]

i should know this but i don't lol

[hearty oar]

I checked, there's nothing of value at all, it never even released: https://tcrf.net/Super_Mario_64_(Nintendo_64DD)

[random portal]

that's a shame.

[hearty oar]

all it seems to do is introduce a bug that prevents you from finishing the game 100% lol

which the above rom hack version fixes

[random portal]

😆

[dreamy ridge]

that's a hot feature

[hearty oar]

it sure makes for some fun trivia

[quaint rune]

i got n64 game running on my mister for the first time. just been so busy lately with some projects, but im part of the cool gang now

[orchid nimbus]

no

you need to have a blue/yellow or orange color 😄

[viscid nebula]

I lost my blue when I rage quit

[hearty oar]

don't worry Deli, I'm colourblind

[viscid nebula]

😦

[quaint rune]

Dang, purple and pinks get the short end of the stick. 🥲

So why did Nintendo go with their blur in games if at the time crt were still the main thing and they soften things.

[ocean lily]

because they didn't cheap out on 3D

so we got antialiasing

[hearty oar]

SGI were probably just like, hey Nintendo, check out this sweet feature we added, you should definitely use it

"it'll make your game graphics look just like offline film CG!"

[zinc dew]

lol Orange isn’t cool

[hearty oar]

I was going to say "white is the coolest colour" before realising that could be interpreted in a non-satisfactory way...

[viscid nebula]

I mean I'm stuck at white

guess it is

[elfin relic]

well now that gifs are on Robby Lockdown, you can't just anime spam yourself to level 65 like batty

[viscid nebula]

no that requires getting intentionally banned and manipulating the server owner for it

I mean yeah

I guess I could

[zinc dew]

So mean

[viscid nebula]

but anyway, enough about that

[zinc dew]

C’mon, please don’t start that.

[quaint rune]

Crazy how loading isn’t a thing. Playing mk4 on psx and then playing the 64 feels like the flash.

[cerulean elk]

I’d like a custom level please

[zinc dew]

Out of curiosity are the textures worse on the N64 version?

[cerulean elk]

I’ve paid my dues. Level 69.

[zinc dew]

[viscid nebula]

kek

[elfin relic]

don't let robby into the roles

[viscid nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[elfin relic]

he'll just delete them all

[zinc dew]

I don’t know how to make roles or give tags lol

[cerulean elk]

I don’t even know how the levels work

[viscid nebula]

robby is a trophy mod

[cerulean elk]

But I demand my custom role

[viscid nebula]

he's just there to look good

and absorb abuse

[languid dune]

What are you even good for then!?

[elfin relic]

you just gotta spam and troll more

[quaint rune]

Looks just as good to me.

[cerulean elk]

Stop quoting his wife in bed

[hearty oar]

Nintendo saw the future, it's all flash storage now

[viscid nebula]

xD

[zinc dew]

And even if I did, I can’t just give anyone anything.

[elfin relic]

they give you colors by how much useless text you sling into the discord

[viscid nebula]

poor robby

🫂

[quaint rune]

They really did

[zinc dew]

oh my god im being eviscerated lmao

QUEST 64 HAW HAW HAW SUCK IT

[viscid nebula]

[languid dune]

It's cute that you assume he's married.

[elfin relic]

kwæst 64

[viscid nebula]

qeust 64

[cerulean elk]

Married to the knot hole in the wall he greases up at night

And with that I’m going to bed 🤣

[viscid nebula]

oh bacon 🤣

[languid dune]

Me quoting you is my way of having it in my post!

Loop holes!

[zinc dew]

[cerulean elk]

Love you @zinc dew you know I kid cause I love

[zinc dew]

Lmao, it’s hilarious

[languid dune]

I love how the shit talking always ends in a love fest. We all love each other.

[hearty oar]

until they forgot and tried discs for a bit. Even now turns out carts are pretty expensive, see every other Switch release using the smallest cart size and forcing you to download the rest, or even just code in box games

everyone is just here for the quest based memes

[elfin relic]

confirmed, switch 2 using UMDs because flash is too expensive

[viral portal]

Zip disks

[viscid nebula]

100 or 250mb

[elfin relic]

actually just going back to the game and watch model

every new switch 2 game is also a switch 2

[hearty oar]

a massive binder of 3.5" floppies

[viral portal]

Bigger, "Zipper" disks. 1.4 GHz

[viscid nebula]

get you some 1GB backup tape drives

[elfin relic]

I'm more of a classical Jazz Drive fan https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/981293220438884402.gif?size=64

[viral portal]

I'll be kind and rewind

[viscid nebula]

blockbuster thanks you

[elfin relic]

I've got a dvd rewinder right here

always make sure to use it

[quasi storm]

Yawn What have I missed?

[elfin relic]

everything

[viral portal]

Mission 63 and three thirds

[elfin relic]

it all happened while you were asleep and now it's over

[viscid nebula]

the n64 core was finished and released

[quasi storm]

The curse of a night owl...

[viscid nebula]

but its been pulled

you missed it

[quasi storm]

Again?!

[viscid nebula]

lmao no jk

[languid dune]

I'll be kind and pay for the copy of Clayfighter Sculptor's Cut that I "lost".

[viscid nebula]

@zinc dew you going to sawcon this year?

[viral portal]

The last Blockbuster in my area closed the day after I returned Star Fox Assault and Metal Gear Solid 2 back in the day.

[zinc dew]

This is only cause I like you

[viscid nebula]

lmfao

[zinc dew]

No, what’s sawcon?

[viscid nebula]

SAWCON DIS N64 CORE

[viral portal]

A convention for the horror series?

[zinc dew]

[languid dune]

sawcon was a typo of awbacon

[viral portal]

Oh. You had me excited

[zinc dew]

lmao

everyone gets a freebie

[quasi storm]

Especially when you run into a brick wall like that. 🤣

[paper orchid]

Waiting for someone to pull an updog on Robby now

[zinc dew]

lmao

[manic basin]

What's Robby?

[viral portal]

Updog is actually really cool, he should pull one.

[zinc dew]

What’s an updog?

[quaint rune]

What is love

[elfin relic]

baby don't hurt me

[viscid nebula]

But what store are we gonna Robby?

idk, b!

[graceful radish]

Remember when the PSX test channel was no nonsense?

I kind of miss those days haha

[viscid nebula]

pepperidge farms remembers

[elfin relic]

lotta riff raff these days

[zinc dew]

Yeah this is partly my fault for encouraging the behavior. Sorry.

[viscid nebula]

thats robby's third use: blame taker

[zinc dew]

When a new build comes out everyone doubles down though

[quasi storm]

I mean... There is no new core right now. Testing has already been and done in earnest...

[graceful radish]

Haha just very different vibes

[paper orchid]

The PSX didn't have everyone's favorite 3D cartridge-based RPG

[quasi storm]

We're just in intermission.

[paper orchid]

Truly, that's why it's so unhinged in here

[viscid nebula]

its robby's fault for making qeust 64 a meme

and its n64's fault for being so hype

[viscid nebula]

and its azum's fault for developing so fast

and its my fault because its always my fault

[native mesa]

'azum' lol

[quasi storm]

@graceful radish Were not goofing around... We're just... Making sure the channel doesn't get archived. Yeah, that's it.

[frail jolt]

True....every day he's like "this core cured world hunger..but I had to take it out because it made Mario's face disappear "

[viscid nebula]

porkchop judges you all

[native mesa]

It's FPGA zum spass aka FPGA for fun

[viscid nebula]

oh

I like azum

🤣

[quaint rune]

seems good to me, baby. even with data cache off

[quasi storm]

DANG IT, boy. Learn the lingo!

[viscid nebula]

SPASS

[native mesa]

Mk4 was good

I'll say it

[viscid nebula]

no

[quaint rune]

its awesome

[viscid nebula]

no

[zinc dew]

You check out Dark Rift?

[viscid nebula]

you are banned from MK1-Trilogy

[native mesa]

MKT is trash

[viscid nebula]

well yeah

[quaint rune]

mk4 was better than those, and no i have not robby

[viscid nebula]

but its better than mk4

3d bullshit

[ember linden]

it's funny to me that the N64 MKs will be playable on single RAM and the originals wont be

[viscid nebula]

half assed arcade release

no, screw mk4

[quaint rune]

console got goro

[quasi storm]

Hey, MK64 is fun, too.

[native mesa]

Because the core devs are trying to sell the marsFPGA

[ember linden]

yeah, mario kart 64

[zinc dew]

Sorry I meant Mace the Dark Ages

I remember renting it and thinking it was cool

[graceful radish]

I judge no one. Just happy to have friends 🙂

[quasi storm]

Damn autocorrect...

[quaint rune]

havent heard of that one either, is it good?

[viscid nebula]

maybe we need 2 n64 rooms - development and game testing - general discussion/memes

[quaint rune]

thats actually not a bad idea

[native mesa]

No

[frail jolt]

I would wager its the core development

Mk1 is probably trying to be true to the board

N64 is more emulation.... sticking 12 clowns in a car and making it run

[quaint rune]

that way robert doesnt have to sift through the craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

[zinc dew]

I think this is fine as long as we don’t get out of hand and when a new build drops or Robert is here we take care of business

[frail jolt]

No

[native mesa]

I think Robert likes it

[viscid nebula]

well roberts posts get buried very quickly

[languid dune]

Yeah, MK4 feels shockingly komplete on even the last few builds.

[zinc dew]

So one of the goals this channel serves is to be like a cheering squad for Robert

[quasi storm]

You know, on a serious note I think I remember Robert kindly asking us to tone down the chatter during PSX core development because he was having trouble sifting through all the memes...

[zinc dew]

It being so lively does serve that interest

[viscid nebula]

its 20% development/game testing and 80% memes (which are 30% qeust 64 memes)

[frail jolt]

I mean... we can just ask Robert his through4s

[zinc dew]

Yeah pretty much

Make sure he’s taken care of

[frail jolt]

Sorry didn't mean to pin you onto that comment

[zinc dew]

Robert and the core are the priority

[viscid nebula]

it can also be hard for him to sift through and find bug reports/testing results

just a suggestion.

[quasi storm]

So, what can we do?

[viscid nebula]

do with it what you will

[quaint rune]

This is my favorite post from Robert in this channel. Makes me laugh everytime I see it

[frail jolt]

But we can just go "hey AZUM spaz.... thoughts on the room?... r u ok with it being basically a frat house on a party night"

[zinc dew]

We haven’t fully started testing in earnest, he’s still completing the RDP

[viscid nebula]

but this core crowd at this point makes having a second n64 room worth it

imo anyway

for all we know he has a private room with dedicated tester slaready

and doesn't need anything here

[zinc dew]

I think once we start testing I’ll be helping with the tonal shift

[quaint rune]

I guess we can trust Robert to tell ppl to stfu if need be

[quasi storm]

The PSX core was the exact same, environment wise.

[viscid nebula]

I'm good with creating order

[zinc dew]

Yes he has mods to leverage as well

[viscid nebula]

I just see a path here

[frail jolt]

I'm good wi4h eventually getting too busy and forgetting to come to this room

[quasi storm]

I don't take orders from you...

[zinc dew]

it’ll be fine and if it isn’t then we’ll crack down

[frail jolt]

That may take a week or 2 tho

[zinc dew]

your points are good and noted

[viscid nebula]

cheers

[zinc dew]

I think bringing them up is also really helpful

Because it reminds all of us that while yes we’re having fun, the priority is the core

[viscid nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/earth-gif-18106784

[robust trout]

So, get this, folks: I search the MiSTer discord for "silicone" in hopes it would filter everything down to that word so I can maybe find a good link to an N64-stick-maintenance tutorial, right? So it spits out a truckton of results mostly featuring mentions of 'silicon' regardless of my quite deliberately adding the 'e' to the end of my query. Kid gloves much, Discord??

[manic basin]

The gloves, incidentally, are silicone.

[cold pollen]

Kids aren't made of silicone. Well not yet anyway

[viscid nebula]

my vinyl skin provides protection

it holds in place my plastic bones

[robust trout]

You're good mental-imagery conjurers

[quasi storm]

I'd ask what's wrong with you, but I haven't got all night...

[viscid nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21dNBtcDzUg

[robust trout]

Ohhhh, I misremembered lithium grease

[quasi storm]

So... Am I the only one who found it a little funny? Before this core dropped there were people in forums who were ADAMENT that an N64 core could NEVER happen.

Now, it's happening, and I'm seeing some people are now arguing over the games that will never work. 😆

Some people just need a hill to die on, I suppose.

[lone geyser]

#nintendo-64-off-topic when?

[orchid nimbus]

right now

[hearty oar]

this is it

[wanton sun]

I usually only skim over the nightly posts to be honest, it would take way to much time to read everything. If things are important, you can always ping me. The worst that can happen is that i don't respond because i have no good answer 😅

[wanton sun]

the software emulator can do any timing it likes, so it's not really useful for that. I haven't started trimming the timings to be close-to-hardware yet at all. This would need plenty of more tests to be written and research to be done. The core will be relativly close to the hardware anyway by the nature of design, but the details can be worked out once games work better. At this point i will implement it in the emulator first, because the turnaround time is much shorter

[orchid nimbus]

nothing big - we wished for Sorg to incorporate and release mister main into stable

that's basically it

and the NSO controller

[worldly quartz]

does that include the experimental workaround for non z64?

[orchid nimbus]

yeah Markun did something as well

[tidal zenith]

I remember when a SNES core was never going to happen

Back in the before times

[ripe prism]

What’s the point of the mister without snes

In those days what did people play?

[tidal zenith]

A lot of NES, maybe some amiga

Genesis was decent though still not as good as we have it today

[ripe prism]

For $300 back then or $200? That seems like terrible value

I guess factoring console mods it works and library size

[quasi storm]

What was the big contention? With N64 it was deemed too complex to fit.

[tidal zenith]

No one has the skills to do it with all the special chips and then srg came in and dropped his monster FPGA dong all over us and we’ve been blessed since

[quasi storm]

Wow...

[ripe prism]

https://tenor.com/view/magnum-dong-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-danny-devito-gif-5262638

[quasi storm]

That was the most "Now draw the rest of the F---ing owl" history lesson I've ever heard 🤣

[ripe prism]

When you know no coding at all like me it seems pretty straightforward

Like going ww2-Vietnam-9/11 for history

[lone geyser]

Not very many people in the server know how to draw that particular owl so that's all we get

Also is that the one srg did without ever seeing a real console?

[ripe prism]

How do you never have access to a snes, feel like even a communtiy member would mail one

Id get it for the rarer systems

[lone geyser]

Srg doesn't talk to people

[tidal zenith]

Yes. I believe he doesn’t/didn’t own one

[ripe prism]

That’s impressive as hell

[lone geyser]

And you don't really need a SNES in particular since, thanks to Near, you basically have one with any PC

(not to discount the achievement)

[ripe prism]

I’d 100% donate a console for dissection if it meant a perfect core

[quasi storm]

Requiescat en pace

Now I'm sad...

[orchid nimbus]

I think the cores I used to most on the mister are SNES/GBA/PSX

arcade cores I don't particulary care about - nice to play some arcade games once a while though

[ripe prism]

I am so thankful for the arcade auto downloader, I flat out wouldn’t play arcade without it

[lone geyser]

I like Neo Geo, but it kind of rides the line

[quasi storm]

I feel you. Arcade cores are great, but... I dunno. I feel like the main trope of having enough quarters to win is completely lost when you emulate arcade games, unless you go full ham and build a cab. But who wants to do that?

[lone geyser]

Neo Turf Masters is pretty good

[ripe prism]

It’s nice to shit your brain off and go through a beat ‘em up like a fat rich kid

[ripe prism]

Pretty? It’s the best thing on the mister

It’s my $500 golf machine

[lone geyser]

True true, I meant specifically in terms of quarter munching

[quasi storm]

And how exactly does one go about doing THAT?

[lone geyser]

It's more fair but still pretty agressive

In that sense it's pretty good

[ember linden]

now that i think about it i think neo turf masters is my longest played game on mister lmao

[ripe prism]

INFINITE LIVES SLAM THAT COIN BUTTON

[ember linden]

it wasnt even intentional

[ripe prism]

Kirby and golf for me

Little bit of crash

[quasi storm]

I don't think I've ever shit my brain off before...

Oh, were talking about our favorites now? For me it's Duke Nuken: Time to Kill on PS1. That game is better than it has any right to be.

[ripe prism]

Really? I gotta try it then

[quasi storm]

Isn't there a version on 64 too?

[ripe prism]

I just fucking hate the ds4 I’ve been avoiding using it recently

[ripe prism]

N64 had a 3d platformer one

[lone geyser]

My top play time is probably some game on SNES. I've been knocking out the best-ofs

Done most all of them at this point now that I think about it

[ripe prism]

It’s so hard for me to finish a game, I rarely have

Only started playing games again recently. Spent like 5 years just wrestling

[hearty oar]

PC Engine for me, I got really into shooters at one point

Soldier Blade and Gunhed are too good

[lone geyser]

I don't get shooters. Gave it a dedicated weekend to try and get into one and still couldn't

Not big on permadeath

Like incremental progress

[grand turret]

Yall sleeping on Genesis. Mister gets the audio just right for some slapping Streets of Rage, Thunder Force, and the only good Sonic games!

[lone geyser]

Would be easier not to sleep on the Genesis if the Genesis didn't make me so sleepy

[ripe prism]

My gf is a big sonic fan that’s never played the games before

[quasi storm]

Oh, 64 had zero hour... Anyway, it's tomb raider styled platforming with more emphasis on gunplay. It just...works.

[ripe prism]

Threw her on sonic 2 and she was so damn bad

Weird having gaming basics not being innate

Like keeping your fingers on the buttons

[grand turret]

Yes, give her the ol not-really-coop Tails

[ripe prism]

Nah she just plays lsd dream emulator a lot

And Japanese games or rhythm games

[lone geyser]

I enjoy Ecco the Dolphin in a "first 10 levels" kind of way. Haven't been grabbed by any other Genesis games except the Cave Story port which...y'know

[quasi storm]

But, is she any good at them?

[grand turret]

Most Genesis slander I've seen since I survived the 16 bit wars

[lone geyser]

Maybe I could get into Crusaders of Centy and I know I can get into any Castlevania game that isn't the second one so hit me up in October and maybe I'll change my tune

[ripe prism]

Rhythm? Yeah kicks my ass

[quasi storm]

Ecco the dolphin is more of a "First 3 levels" game for me. That shit is hateful in its difficulty. And cave story is a danged masterpiece. I still can't believe how much carried over to the Genny.

[ripe prism]

Mostly project diva and persona dancing

Threw her a ps vita with the piracy app so she gets every game for free

[grand turret]

Have you tried Shinobi 3

[hearty oar]

I tried that for the first time recently, so awesome

[quasi storm]

Also Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness on 64? Pretty much Castlevania 64: We're actually trying edition.

[lone geyser]

Nope. Does it have saves or a password system?

[chilly ember]

Shinobi 3 is probably my favourite genesis game but it's always near the top rated games for genesis

There isn't any saving or password system but I believe there's a patch for saving now

[grand turret]

Nah it's a short action game

[lone geyser]

Not sure why but I just don't dig "arcade experiences in the home." Miss me with those finite continues

[chilly ember]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5739/

[lone geyser]

I'll give it a try with the patch, then

[ripe prism]

Doesn’t genesis have save states?

Or am I getting cores mixed up

[lone geyser]

Don't think so. My shorthand for savestates are for things Robert did and the NES

Guess he didn't do GB/C

[lilac scroll]

Hot take: sonic is not well designed

[ripe prism]

Yes

It is the most miserable game series to play, there’s a reason the fans haven’t played the games half the time

[chilly ember]

I enjoy sonic 2 but bad sonic games are dime a dozen

[dusty tusk]

Mario 64 lookin good

[quasi storm]

I see your analysis, and I raise you: Sonic 2 was WAY better than 1, design-wise.

[lilac scroll]

Yes but can any of them hold a candle to Mario

Or bubsy

[grand turret]

I came to the N64 channel looking for even-keeled Genesis talk and all I got was slander

[quasi storm]

It's really too much of an apples to oranges comparison to be useful.

[dusty tusk]

New genesis core going to have save states? It needs it more than most with how few games had battery backups

[quasi storm]

Most Genesis games were built on the arcade game paradigm and didn't really need them, until they did...

[dusty tusk]

Just trying to finish my footie before I die

[quaint rune]

Ea sports

[tidal zenith]

My mans got his bitcoin stored in an n64 wallet

[ripe prism]

Sonic 2 is way better than 1. 1 is miserable. 2 is annoying as hell though and 3 as well

That’s dude’s right about it compared to Mario. You can just sit down and burn through a few levels

[quasi storm]

Now that I'm actually sitting here and thinking critically about it. I spend about ~80% of my time in Sonic games spin dashing... Just letting it get me to the end... Hmmm

[ripe prism]

The game always passes me off more cause it’s all about momentum

Then dumbass stages just kill the momentum

[quasi storm]

And you go way faster when you spin, or you goes TOO fast, and get stuck in the level like level 2 of sonic 2.

[ripe prism]

I legit think sonic would be better in that indie platformer style if it wants speed and difficulty

Mario I’m fine with stop and start but sonic I wanna put a hole in the wall when I have to wait

[quasi storm]

That's good though, right? The devs were able to instill that feeling of urgency in you.

[lone geyser]

Not if it's just hours of blue balls

[hearty oar]

related, how good is Blue Sphere as a minigame

[ripe prism]

Isn’t there some new level everyday fan game? Some crazy shit like that

Love the mini game but hate how few chances you get

[dusty tusk]

Blue sphere is fun, but the 16:9 aspect ratio in mania gives me nausea

[hearty oar]

the special stages in Mania are really nice too, I like how they tried to make it like the Saturn Sonic game that never was

[ripe prism]

Yeah those were awesome

Sonic mania felt great but that was just cause the dude understood how to make a garbage formula work

[hearty oar]

as a long time Sonic fan I sure do love some good quality garbage

[ripe prism]

My gf literally is just a fan cause she thought the characters were hot…

[real void]

Not sure what you're all talking about, there are only 5 Sonic games in existence. They're all brilliant too...

[ripe prism]

There’s a push now in the community to say sonic 06 is the best game

No joke

[night saddle]

never realized how bad that one is until seeing the recent DFRetro episode where John and Try4ce played that. man what a mess

[quasi storm]

With that fan remake, it just might be...

[languid dune]

The Sonic fandom is definitely a fandom.

[ornate obsidian]

Because Sonic as a character is designed around speed and momentum, but everytime you have to stop the controls become extremely sluggish and I just think the way Sonic moves in air isn't very good in any of the genesis games.

Sonic the character and the levels together makes no sense imo since you're never really allowed to go fast except automated sequences of speed boosters and what not

[sly wasp]

you're much better off using silicone. SHIN-ETSU G-501 is widely accepted to be the best stuff -much better on/near rubber, plastic and even steel on steel which is why it's used on sanwa joysticks

[hollow rune]

I read Matt Alt's Pure Invention, and when I think about Sonic I think about what he wrote about the creation of Hello Kitty, and who she is, how that is a lot of what Mario is as a character and how while Sonic may have originally been that way, more of a symbol, a concept, Sonic has traits that go deeper than that, that are more defined personality traits, and while that doesn't make him as flexible or widely appealing, the people who it does strike a chord with it really resonates. I think it is why Sonic's movies were more entertaining to me than Mario's, because he is more of a character who you can believe his motivations and goals (which aren't deep, but defined) which is all to say, I think when you do all that well, you get a fanbase which loves Sonic so much, cause there is more to love, whether it is good or not, and then games like '06 are the same way, there is so much there, regardless if it is good, it is has things to cling to.

That's how 3D Sonic is so resonate. I am not sure if that make sense. I gotta maybe think about it more.

[lament escarp]

I think it's all about wether you prefer eating shrooms or chili dogs.

[hollow rune]

I think that actually covers my feelings on it in a super concise way

[lament escarp]

Damn, now I want some chili dogs...

[zenith orchid]

I wonder what N64 homebrew development is like, if it's easier than PSX development. It seems like you can port just about anything that is written in C

[wanton sun]

@hearty oar is it correct that with the new kernel i got wrong ranges for the NSO pad?

and if yes, what is the solution? 🤡

[hearty oar]

did you grab this updated one? #test-builds message

otherwise yeah, I wouldn't have expected that

[wanton sun]

ah i see, still using the older one

will try it

sorry, it works fine. Didn't realize there is a new one

thank you!

[hearty oar]

thanks for trying it out

glad it's working now

[wanton sun]

yes it works great...honestly it even worked great before, i didn't realize it was the wrong range, was more a random find

[hearty oar]

me either, I actually didn't realise it was originally returning good values either, but some others also pointed out that it regressed, so the solution is pretty much to just stop treating it like a joycon/pro controller and use the native ranges again

[quasi storm]

Are these ranges the reason for, for instance in Turok, the seeming inability to look left or right without also looking up and down?

Not using an N64 pad, by the way. Was using an 8bitdo pro controller with a round gate. Switched to a retrofighters brawler64 Bluetooth controller with an octagonal gate.

[vapid hawk]

thats probably more of a gate problem

[bronze tree]

that sounds like a good test game for the gate emulation then

[vapid hawk]

i seem to recall its kind of a problem even with a real n64 pad though

[hearty oar]

Not familiar enough with the game to know what to expect, can try with the NSO controller I guess

[bronze tree]

wow, took me a while to get used to the controls!

I have my C buttons mapped to my right analog stick, so it plays like modern games, but with the sticks swapped and up-down is inverted on the analog stick

[desert crow]

Someone mentioned a game yesterday that may do something weird where it doesn't like being out of range. i didn't try it. I've found that in nfl quarterback club 98 on n64 it does a thing with my 8bitdo sn30 pro controller where if I press the stick too far in any one direction the player will slow down/stop running. I haven't kept up with the controller discussion so I was wondering if that's been addressed or if anyone wants to try it with more proper n64 controllers

[bronze tree]

me and @lone geyser are working on N64 controller "emulation" (same range and shape for the analog stick), that would hopefully fix that

most difficult part now: how to enable/disable it per controller (and we have up to 4 controllers)

[desert crow]

yeah I know that's why I mentioned it.

[bronze tree]

(I also have a SN30 Pro)

ok 🙂

[desert crow]

I'm wondering if NSO should be full range so it could be used for something other than n64. I realize it' might be better for n64 if it doesn't

[hearty oar]

It can be

[hearty python]

Controller can sometimes be difficult. Got a strange error with a bt controller for the switch. The test in main works fine, but no analog stick in cores like n64. The paring never ended right, so the pad was working with blinking leds. 😂

Used a Wii U Pro Controller then, pairing done fine. Run some cores and then realize that up and down is inverted 😁

[raw oriole]

Wii U Pro controllers are dicks, they're always doing something weird (or just failing to connect). Battery lasts for three years though.

[oblique remnant]

😦 have this controller aswell and never experienced such a good battery life

[wanton sun]

i already was disappointed i could not use it for spyro 🙂

[desert crow]

I don't want to influence anyone's decision on that though, and definitely don't want to decide how to handle that. I'll leave that up to you guys

[compact depot]

I would make it full range and treat the analog range in main/core

[hearty oar]

I’m happy to do it either way, it wasn’t hard to make it as it is currently. It also wasn’t hard to just map it exactly like the pro controller/joycon stick

Everyone should feel free to post on the GitHub PR with their opinions as well: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Linux-Kernel_MiSTer/pull/49

[wanton sun]

with full range, we would need a conversion in main that only reduces range without other changes...not sure if that is going to happen

[compact depot]

@bronze tree is actually working on this

[wanton sun]

markun and Lemonici have a solution that works with analog sticks that do a circle or square, not sure how it would work if the range is already a octagon

[bronze tree]

it would still work

[wanton sun]

i mean, i can try it with the old kernel

[bronze tree]

we just clamp to the octagon shape. If your controller already has that shape there shouldn't be any difference

[bronze tree]

please try to make sure 🙂

[wanton sun]

which mister main build should i use for test? i would test with the old kernel

[bronze tree]

you can use the last binary I sent you

[wanton sun]

ok

might be even better

so if we get this merged to mister main, having full range for the NSO would be better

however, Reflex might need to have a change then @graceful radish ?

[hearty oar]

Either way we’d probably need some kind of way for controllers that do natively map themselves to the proper ranges to opt out of the clamping

[wanton sun]

it could be difficult with multiplayer...reflex + nso + ps5 pad 🙃

[hearty oar]

I think I’m starting to be swayed to team “leave it in full range and clamp it” because I think that might fix the 8bitdo conversion board as well

[native mesa]

In USA we get a nice long weekend but this also means the end of summer 😦

[desert crow]

how many cores use analog? n64,psx, maybe saturn(3d pad) are the ones i could think of.

[silent marten]

Think that is it blue

[safe robin]

in theory every core if you want to map it to

i use analog in Genesis when i play Xenocrisis for Twin-Stick shooter action

i think some cores even let you use the analog stick as a mouse ?

[desert crow]

that's a good point I didn't think of

n64 pad on psx might be ok, until the game uses the second stick. psx has more buttons too if you count R3,L3.

[safe robin]

we can play Croc then with the N64 Pad and see how it plays 😄

For those who dont know already Croc was pitched by Argonaut to Nintendo as a 3d Yoshi Game

since i know that i always check the similarities ^^

[viscid gate]

Personally I found the behaviour with the NSO full range able to be used in other cores, but clamped in N64 seemed a better option - I was getting better results from the controller test rom too which often had a not centered result with the driver that was limited range.

[compact depot]

I think markun's solution is going to allow to configure ranges per core, per controller

[median vale]

@hearty oar can't find the original message, but do I remember you saying that the 8bitdo conversion boards for the OG N64 controllers effectively emulate being an NSO N64 controller?

[hearty oar]

I don't have one myself, but I think some have indicated that yes, that controller send the same vid/pid and so will use the same driver

[median vale]

Nice, thanks. I'm on holidays atm but have been keeping an eye on this chat - super excited to get home and try the 8bitdo board out with this core. Thanks to everyone for their contributions; exciting times!

[topaz otter]

it was just an on rails shooter, but hey had no idea how to make one

so they guessed, it didn't work, so they just removed the rails and gave you direct control

[hearty oar]

have reverted the change on git and added a comment explaining the motivation, thanks all!

[cunning fable]

Nice. I find it really confusing to use sometimes (mostly because I forget the inputs and outputs) but managed to resolve it by using a piece of software to integrate the switcher with Apple HomeKit.

[native mesa]

Nice I use the web interface with some custom button oresets

[cunning fable]

whoever thought of giving that thing an ethernet port should be given a Nobel prize

[bronze tree]

what is the output from the 8bitdo board? We also scale, so if it doesn't have full range we might end up with a very small octagon...

[hearty oar]

It will get mapped to the full range with the NSO driver as it is now

[whole zinc]

When you say board do you mean thumb stick unit they released?

I’m joining this convo half way though

[hearty oar]

They released a full conversion board that lets you use it via BT on the Switch

[oblique gate]

Got all files on the right place, but no matter what I only get error E0042.

[whole zinc]

Yeah I have it but haven’t installed it yet

[hearty oar]

I can only assume it doesn’t matter if you use OG stick it Hall effect replacement I assume it must have a similar range, seeing as it would be using the same driver

If that’s what you’re asking? I don’t have one to test myself though, which is part of the problem, I’m only getting these reports second hand

[dreamy ridge]

is the "NSO" the nintendo switch online official controller?

[vagrant ivy]

Which game. Try MarioKart64

[wanton sun]

your boot.rom is garbage, way too big @oblique gate

[lament escarp]

There was someone here with the hall stick without the conversion board, and the range was of an oem controller. So I guess it's the board, not the stick that makes the range.

[dreamy ridge]

i would do a google search involving the words .pif and archive

[lament escarp]

Rumble and range works fine, but you habe to re-pair it each time you disconnect it.

[lilac scroll]

I’d like to know this because my current plan when the hall stick kit shows up is first to try just replacing the stick and using the two used n64 controllers I bought wired

[lament escarp]

I don't remember the name of the person, but the range from that test looked fine without any issues.

[oblique gate]

hmmm I got the one from https://vampier.net/N64/

Will try to find another. It was a pain to get a boot rom from the 64.

[wanton sun]

vampiers page doesn't host the boot.rom itself, but i already see where this going...hint: you cannot download from github with rightclick+save as

[oblique gate]

Thanks. I'll try again

[lament escarp]

Btw, whats the plan for the weekend? Rdp, sd saves or a well deserved rest? 😄

[zinc dew]

Sincerely appreciate everyone keeping on-topic while Robert is here. The core is the priority so it’s wonderful to see everyone collaborate on that.

[wanton sun]

i have a tough decision: complete mario kart with or without texture filtering...

[zinc dew]

With, do it right.

[wanton sun]

but then i have to wait another weekend 😦

[zinc dew]

It’ll be sweeter the victory

[daring meteor]

What about Complete Mario Kart with Choco mountain looking right but without filtering?

[vagrant ivy]

only quest 6 4 matters !

[zinc dew]

Nothing will feel better completing your first game as the console intended. That will your your complete victory.

[neat sierra]

Robby is so bossy

[oblique gate]

Now working with Mario Kart. Thanks for sharing this amazing core and help with the community

[little socket]

Filtering is overrated

[vagrant ivy]

he is compensating

[drowsy lantern]

It's not complete until you also have the smeary Anti-Aliasing in there! 😛

[neat sierra]

Some kind of Robert power struggle

[hearty python]

Complete it, directly a stresstest for the core. 😁

[lament escarp]

I have to agree with robby. Plus, it'll put it off you dish when you finish the next game. 🙂

[wanton sun]

but it looks better without fog...

[zinc dew]

He is his own man and I support him no matter the choice.

[zealous hull]

I think Robert should follow his heart.

[little socket]

Make filter a toggle whIch messes with color values until really implemented nextish week

[zealous hull]

As long as his heart tells him to complete it now. /j

[neat sierra]

I’m on team Roberts

[hearty python]

But I guess Mario Kart is not complete when you drive all courses. You find allways something new with every race 😂

[oblique gate]

Awesome, Wonder Project 2 boot with sound and only a graphic glitches

[wanton sun]

i guess i can just play it this weekend anyway. It's not like i would complete it only once, haha

[hearty python]

😂

[zinc dew]

Complete it twice, utter domination.

Practice run then a victory lap.

flex on them Silicon Graphics nerds

[hearty python]

I spend so many hours in Mk8, evergreen

[wanton sun]

but yes, you see the next goal then: texture filtering. After that LOD and transparency blending(e.g. what causes the wireframe in transparent objects)

[zinc dew]

When you beat Mario Kart please yell “YOU’RE IN ROBERT’S HOUSE NOW. I’M BRINGING THE F-PAIN-GA BAYBEEEE!”

it’s very important

[wanton sun]

there will be children nearby 😉

[zinc dew]

it’s good that they learn how great their dad is

[drowsy lantern]

So does that mean that saving is coming up in today's build?

[daring meteor]

Is Fog neither these 3?

[neat sierra]

Im glad the Roberts finally made up

[little socket]

People will just think it looks bad because they now use proper av connections and not because it is missingg filtering

[hearty python]

Is four player already working?

[wanton sun]

yes

well, i didn't try more then 2 actually, but it should work

[wanton sun]

in theory fog should work, so it's more likely a RSP bug rather than a RDP feature missing

i need to investigate at some point

[hearty python]

Investigation will be harder with every function added i guess

[wanton sun]

hopefully today or tomorrow. i can start with it now, not sure when i will finish

[viscid nebula]

does anyone else have really really foggy grass in SM64?

[solemn maple]

Is it known why the character models in Banjo Kazooie have those white lines all over?

[wanton sun]

likely the same issue: fog calculation goes wrong

[viscid nebula]

ah gotcha

no worries!

[hearty python]

Better do saving before trying to complete mk64. 😁

[wanton sun]

yes, that was the plan

[viscid nebula]

can I call you azum?

[orchid nimbus]

I like the unfiltered look to be honest

[wanton sun]

only on twitter 😛

[viscid nebula]

xD

[orchid nimbus]

@viscid nebula azumptions

[viscid nebula]

azcuse me

[orchid nimbus]

now you sound like my accent 😄

[oblique gate]

MK Trilogy running surprisingly good

[solemn maple]

I vote for a live stream first time you beat mk64 @wanton sun

[hearty python]

Robert isn’t so hard to call 😁

[desert crow]

personally I'm going to wait a while to play the games I cared about. I didn't want to get too many stars on SM64.

[orchid nimbus]

@solemn maple 😛

[hearty python]

FPGA mister and Robert, everyone knowing wich Robert 😂

[quaint rune]

I got the star from chomp chomp before I stopped

[orchid nimbus]

no one calls me Pat either and @FPGAz[tab] isn't that hard

[viscid nebula]

my 3 and 5 yo are running out of patience if this core isn't finished in 3 days they are refusing to play it

so you better hurry

!!!

in all honesty they don't care they just like mario running around

[orchid nimbus]

tell your 3 and 5 year old that life isn't about them

[viscid nebula]

even if its in the fog 🤣

they loved this new update

[orchid nimbus]

also they should understand the meaning of 'no'

[viscid nebula]

so fast

[viscid nebula]

oh they use that word a lot

🤣

[orchid nimbus]

for you - but if you use it on them it's unfair

[viscid nebula]

right?

so weird

[orchid nimbus]

"Dad can I jump in this fire?" .... "No!!!" .... "DAD YOU'RE NO FAIR!!"

[viscid nebula]

WHY?!

[orchid nimbus]

and this is why I don't have kids

[viscid nebula]

BECAUSE YOU MIGHT DIE SON

...oh ok

[orchid nimbus]

also: schools around here are 1/10 to 3/10 at best

[viscid nebula]

yeah raising kids is just constantly teaching them how not to kill themselves

[orchid nimbus]

welcome to California

[hearty python]

You’re brave to let your kids playing an unfinished core. My daughter ones throw a controller in the tv as child from 6 years. 😂

[solemn maple]

Teach 'em how to make fast-roms

[orchid nimbus]

for the c64/msx/amiga or what? 😄

they all need some fastrom

[viscid nebula]

oh god

[viscid nebula]

hell yeah

my boys very much want to play....and give up and say daddy this is too hard

we want another game

and then I cant find another game they want

....but they want to play

then its a whole cry fest

[quaint rune]

Decisions decisions

[viscid nebula]

daddy wanted to set you up with games so he could do stuff and instead every 5 minutes they need something or a new game

;_;

life is hard