Nintendo 64

[nova grotto]

Which game is this ?

[marble cargo]

Persona 5

[daring meteor]

Holy Magic Century

[opal quiver]

Super Mario 64 is very smooth with datacache 🙂 so great

[oblique remnant]

da mighty Brian is alive 🙂

[lament escarp]

Don't worry, we're here to test. 👍

[remote hatch]

quest 6 4 it's alive

[orchid nimbus]

Did I miss a release?

[lone geyser]

Now that the hype has died, I'd appreciate it if anyone wanted to try the ares builds I put in #controllers to see how the analog feels in your favorite games

Yes, missed it entirely. It's gone now

😢

[silent marten]

Robotron 64 runs full speed and level 10 without a crash

[wanton sun]

it's broken, please wait some more days until i figure out what's going on

[orchid nimbus]

ok

[wanton sun]

don't want to have such a bad core in the testbuilds open for everyone, sorry

[marble cargo]

I can confirm Mario Kart 64 regressed with the backgrounds on the menus, but the racing feels faster now.

[native mesa]

Bad is a stretch! Still great progress

[daring meteor]

I can plop it in a thread, since people still seem to be intrested

[silent marten]

Can confirm

[wanton sun]

probably the instruction cache command that i added is the reason

[daring meteor]

Does the core work without it? Might be good to check than

Wait

Instruction Cache?

[worn delta]

I tried the Tommy Thunder prototype earlier, which was "playable" but ran about 2fps. Now it is running 14-20fps, so you worked some magic there. Sure you will iron out the kinks soon 🙂

[hasty kayak]

Trial and Error.

[hollow rune]

I missed it but I have a feeling Chameleon Twist might have been full speed

[daring meteor]

I don't think it is, but I can try

[lament escarp]

Let's all do stick testing instead!

[native mesa]

Hard to say. I didn't experience a single crash

[daring meteor]

wait no

The regressions didn't happen with datacache off

[native mesa]

I'm also not using unstable main. and only big endian roms

[oblique remnant]

Destruction Derby crashes can't even enter a race now

[fair stump]

You literally can't see the track or vehicles in extreme g but the game is running much faster with data cache on

[marble cargo]

I'm getting mixed results. Like I'm noticing games like Mario Kart 64 and Bomberman Hero are more unstable, but also have better performance.

[ocean lily]

that's been a common theme in any racing game I've tried

[marble cargo]

Oh neat Puyo Puyo Sun 64 got past the Compile logo, but it keeps crashing.

[oblique remnant]

Atomobili Lamborghini runs at 30fps then crash

[viscid nebula]

Figures

Fuckin peppy

[zinc dew]

THE FORBIDDEN GAME

[mortal apex]

Quest40₁₆ now hangs as soon as the title screen shows up with datacache on, it doesn't without it. This one seems to be reproducible, anyone else noticed that?

[vagrant ivy]

Robert pulled the build so testing is not required

[mortal apex]

I know, just curious

[viscid nebula]

Bad component, recalled to factory

[mild ether]

My game still crashes. 😭

0005 this time though.

[orchid nimbus]

wait.... data cache was implemented?

[vagrant ivy]

and withdrawn

[orchid nimbus]

yeah - but that's fantastic news

[daring meteor]

Data cache (Buggy) was implemented

[languid dune]

The best and most cursed time line!

[viscid nebula]

He used the one for the 3DO by mistake

[remote hatch]

nice to see faster Waver Race 64 🙂

[random portal]

is this a feature+ for the core like with PS1?

[wanton sun]

no, it's part of the original cpu

[random portal]

oh so the PS1 is the one that didnt hjave cache

[wanton sun]

i still don't understand why the build behaves random only for the datacache when the timing is fulfilled...will be hard time to figure out

[orchid nimbus]

ouch

[remote hatch]

woohhoo vector demo works veryyyy fast 😛

[oblique remnant]

Turok resets itself after Iguana Logo 😄

[daring meteor]

Its even more random when the timing is not filled, if anyone thought otherwise

[random portal]

I'm just waiting for the 3D Model RGB Test Program works one day. please, no spoilers on what it looks like

[hasty kayak]

RR 64 gets further than it did before 🙂 just before a Race is about to start

[remote hatch]

Cube demo

[eternal island]

I was reading this and the saturn channels today and I noticed someone pointed out that sega rally was loading fine and not loading at all between two unstable mister versions

Think that might be a cause?

[daring meteor]

It shouldn't be

[orchid nimbus]

@remote hatch that runs smooooooooooth

[mild ether]

San Francisco rush runs great.

[eternal island]

It shouldn't, but it might be worth testing

[daring meteor]

Even when Robert pulls a build, He makes bangers

[mild ether]

Yeah it works fine here.

[wanton sun]

it seems to depend on the de10-nano....i retested some games on my second mister and get different results....but reproducible. What doesn't run on one, does run on the other. All same builds and settings

[remote hatch]

and looks great!

[tidal zenith]

uh oh, spooky metastability

[quasi storm]

And here comes the real challenge...

[mild ether]

Almost got through a whole race in Road Rash with the cache.

[quasi storm]

I believe in you @wanton sun

[fair stump]

At least you can directly reproduce it yourself

[remote hatch]

ok now i have heart attack

[wanton sun]

in any case, cannot work more on it before wednesday, so it has to wait

[sly wasp]

possibly different ram messing with the timing? (Love the progress so far..thanks so much for bringing so much joy! ❤️ )

[oblique remnant]

Namco Museum Crashes in Menu 🤣

[wanton sun]

just finished a different build...it behaves absolutly random. Now e.g. tetrissphere loads fine. Great 🙈

[orchid nimbus]

and thus we have arrived at the twilight zone

[wanton sun]

but mario kart background is glitched

[random portal]

SM64 for me

maybe my ROM is bad

[orchid nimbus]

@random portal no face patch

[tidal zenith]

you need the one without marios face

[mild ether]

Need the no face patch

[orchid nimbus]

LOL x3

[wanton sun]

thankfully the effect only seems to hit the datacache

[random portal]

you need the no face patch

[tidal zenith]

Mario's face is the most technologically advanced piece of code in the entire n64 library.

only when the core is completely finished will we see his beautiful eyes

[random portal]

it's the only model you can contort in any N64 game

that's a alot of math

[nova grotto]

MK64 , road rash , bomberman hero and a lot more crashes in my case

[wanton sun]

anyway, have to leave, sorry again for uploading it to early

[mild ether]

Nope, I want Mario faceless from here forward.

[orchid nimbus]

peoples - the last core from today is glitched - no need to test

[tidal zenith]

don't be sorry, we're just a bunch of n64 degenerates

[random portal]

no worries you go enjoy your day. we are just happy to see work in progress...maybe a little too happy 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

have a good relaxing evening 🙂

[random portal]

I strongly recommend Super B-Daman

it's really fun and just playable on the current core

[eternal brook]

I hooked up my childhood N64 yesterday to compare to the core and WOW these games are a lot harder running at full speed. Lack of datacache is kinda like a cheat code. I don't mind staying on the current for a while longer and racking up some high scores >:D

[cerulean elk]

It’s getting hilarious

But it’s fun. Keeps me fresh editing wise

[inner bronze]

I love how I can just not look at this chat for several hours and then come back to Robert making progress the equivalent of the invention of sliced bread every time.

[cerulean elk]

I haven’t had turn and burn edits for the last year. Good to keep the skills honed

[oblique remnant]

how fun actually ? 😄

[random portal]

that's weird

I can get into the game and I don't think I've seen the rainbow noise screen

[lean spruce]

If you have loaded another game previously I recommend re-loading the core and rom. As this can happen otherwise

[remote hatch]

🤘

[mortal apex]

Star fox plays nicely on my end, the framerate seems close to (if not) perfect. I wonder if I'm just being lucky, but it didn't crash on me yet.

[oblique remnant]

Wayne but even Wayne's Hockey won't work anymore 😄

[orchid nimbus]

yes we get it

test the new core in silence

[mild ether]

Try googling for Aleck 64 PIF for more information.

[lone geyser]

@wanton sun I know you aren't really focused on this right now, but I found a fairly simple way to get the stick scaling that I think works in FPGA. If you just bitshift the raw, unsigned stick values (from 0 to 32767) by 9, 10, 12, and 13 and subtract the last one from the sum of the first 3 you'll get a fairly good scale to a circle of radius 98 (about perfect for the diagonal range). A hard gate of 85 on the cardinals will imitate what Simple64 does and fix the sensitivity issue. Just about anything more complex will require square roots

[cerulean elk]

Oh wow core got taken down eh?

[mild ether]

Yep, Nintendo saw it and put the hammer down.

[desert nest]

Yeah it was a little too rough around the edges, but it's exciting having a taste of what's to come

[languid dune]

Nintendo ninjas strike again!

[orchid nimbus]

I know FPGAZumspass feels bad about releasing it - so pipe down

[lilac scroll]

How could you do this to us, Robert /s

[desert nest]

We've said nothing but positive things in support of Robert, that seems a little excessive

[eternal island]

i just watch. i'll join in on testing when the core gets officially released to help with remaining issues

[desert nest]

I think most people here understand it's going to be a bumpy ride, but a fun ride with great views. If that's not your thing, wait for v1.0 haha.

[eternal island]

its exciting stuff

[lilac scroll]

going to be fascinating if it turns out to be ram variability, or people’s storage media

[desert nest]

I joined the MiSTer community after PSX was complete, so this is my first foray with something like this and I'm thankful we have the opportunity to share in the excitement and contribute.

[mortal apex]

Same, I'm glad I get to experience something so unique, and bonus it's for one of my favorite systems ever 😍

[orchid nimbus]

@desert nest some people have a different view on contribute however - and that's not how I personally roll

we've done all the testing for the PSX and it was a fun time - it turned into a 'I can't find any new bugs' fest at one point

but once a bug got fixed we jumped on it to test it and to see regressions

regressions hardly happened however

[weary palm]

I got "Critical Warning (332148): Timing requirements not met
Info (11105): For recommendations on closing timing, run Report Timing Closure Recommendations in the TimeQuest Timing Analyzer." when I tried to build.

[hearty python]

There are 3 different boards iirc

[orchid nimbus]

seems like we've reached the road not taken ....

unpaved - just a dirt road now

[lilac scroll]

glances at misters, hopes they have robust superior boards

[daring meteor]

So there is a timing problem?

[orchid nimbus]

@daring meteor this is compiler time

[vagrant ivy]

Robert does know a few things so you be sure he would have noticed

[mild ether]

Hmm, might have to pull my second MiSTer out to test with also. One is a couple years old the one I use currently is from 2018

[blissful plaza]

I tried at least the Mystical Ninja intro, and it was completely in sync between audio and GFX.
And that's beautiful.
That was just curiosity with that extreme case, as almost all emulators fail it even now (just some recent versions of ares are perfectly in-sync too).

[orchid nimbus]

for me that didn't even start 🙂

but that's good news

sound and visuals a perfectly synced normally

it's also the most extreme test case to be done imho

[weary palm]

trying to build with a different seed cuz i dont know tf i'm doing

[orchid nimbus]

the Mario Kart 64 demo is another one - the music ends when the screen fades to black

[cerulean elk]

Well unless we see another core by weds I won’t run a vid on a pulled core 🙂 but I will do a viewer request vid on what we’ve got

[vagrant ivy]

Quest 6 4 !

[cerulean elk]

Yes yes I’ll check

[mild ether]

Vivid dolls!

[cerulean elk]

Yeah YT will love that

I don’t need a strike 🤣

[mild ether]

Just never play past the first level and you're golden.

[orchid nimbus]

first stage is still clothed

[cerulean elk]

Ok ok maybe. Total maybe

[quasi storm]

Never! We must revel in the imperfect perfection (Says I, who missed the drop...)

[lament escarp]

Can we get patches on your site to skip the first stage than?

[hearty python]

Crazy is that the core reach full speed frame rate with over 30% less clockrate of the cpu. 😁

[mild ether]

That's good news.

[lament escarp]

Yeah, at least sm64 ran for me and bob omb never felt so great

[zenith orchid]

I gotta admit I was a little surprised he took a crack at datacache while RDP was mostly incomplete, it seems kinda risky. but the research shouldn't hurt

[daring meteor]

I mean, its the next biggest boost, no?

[zenith orchid]

yeah but it affects everything

[daring meteor]

All the easiest RDP boosts were done

[lament escarp]

He mentioned getting the cache and saving done would allow him to finish mk64

[zenith orchid]

ah that makes sense

[orchid nimbus]

yes - MK64 is the target game at this moment

[hearty python]

No worry Robert, they named testbuilds for a reason 😁

Hope you get it sorted out.

[quasi storm]

Test=fail?

[orchid nimbus]

I want to bet he's thinking about this right now despite doing someting else

[quasi storm]

It's probably driving him nuts, and he is about to start beating it with a dead fish until it behaves.

[daring meteor]

And than it so happens that we get a fix randomally tommorow cause he couldn't stop thinking about it

[lament escarp]

For now. But robert is like a saiyan, he'll be back twice as strong. And shoot ki and shit. 😄

[hearty python]

Possible fails, crashes, errors, but I am glad to be a part of this experience 😁

[zenith orchid]

it would help for SM64 too. dire dire docks and the haunted mansion definitely need it

[quasi storm]

I remember the PSX core had a few hiccups as well

[native mesa]

Unfettered progress

[hearty python]

He needs reproducible errors, anything else is hard.

[orchid nimbus]

I'm going to give the error decoder it's own dedicated page

saves a bunch of scrolling in the FAQ

or I can put it at the top of the page

[hearty python]

Choose better the end of the page. Errors in first line - I don’t know…

Bad beginning in my eyes

[quasi storm]

What do you mean?

[lament escarp]

Bad first impression I guess

[native mesa]

Shadows of the empire is working really well

[hearty python]

Mit Fehlern zu beginnen, wäre ein schlechter Anfang. Zumal die Fehler mit jeder neuen Version vermutlich immer geringer werden. Please translate it yourself.

[fair stump]

wouldn't even load for me difference of de-10 i guess

[hearty python]

I know they used different chips and brands for the board revisions. Perhaps due Chip shortage or the obsolete of some chips. There was a mention, but should work as the specs are all the same.

[lilac scroll]

some people have de-10 while others have de-nein

[lament escarp]

My de10 is weak and pathetic. 😦

[hearty python]

P04096 was the partnumber, never changed. But Boards was A,B,C iirc.

[compact depot]

He’s gonna have another of those nights where he can’t sleep

[covert bough]

I wonder if robert ever finished tears of the kingdom?

[native mesa]

de-de

[cerulean elk]

The worst nights

Problems you fall asleep to

[native mesa]

Problems are solved by sleeping

[lament escarp]

At least the saturn kids having fun with their new build.

[hearty python]

Not a bad idea to play with the Saturn meanwhile 😁

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/CnZXxnyP-DI

Xcuze my capture card

[orchid nimbus]

that looks like full speed

aka solid 30fps

[weary palm]

It is

But it crashed at the end 😉

[compact depot]

I’m pretty sure he just forgot to add another flip-flop in the pipelining

It will be an easy fix 🙏

[weary palm]

Hope you're right

[compact depot]

I have no idea what I’m talking about 🙃

[orchid nimbus]

we know

[weary palm]

Big Boos Hunt is also full speed

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune

Ban that @zinc dew

[orchid nimbus]

@weary palm this was my reaction too when the core got pulled https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNvtcNuIN-g 😄

also: I've been in a systembolaget - what a weird store

[weary palm]

Haha

Stop snooping around

[orchid nimbus]

ok 🙂

[weary palm]

Weird and expensive

[orchid nimbus]

I have no clue what she's saying - it's a bit too fast for me

[graceful radish]

What’s the process of getting homebrew running? Can entries bring added to the N64Database.txt?

Specifically, this controller test rom

https://github.com/wermipls/mimi

[weary palm]

This place used to be extremely laggy before. Now it's tolerable.

[orchid nimbus]

I don't think it'll make a difference

[native mesa]

She has tiny eyes

[weary palm]

Even better if I build the rom with -O2, of course.

[teal citrus]

I never understood what -O2 was about.

[vapid hawk]

yeah apparently you can edit the database yourself

it uses md5 hashes

[native mesa]

Optimization compile method

[teal citrus]

Mmm.

[native mesa]

Basically the later compilers had better optimization

[vapid hawk]

it gives a few fps speedup in a few places

[native mesa]

The launch title couldn't utilize

[vapid hawk]

its nothing mind blowing

[teal citrus]

Okay.

[compact depot]

Just tried MK64 really quickly with the forbidden core and... IT'S AMAZING!! 😍

Pure 30fps glory!

[native mesa]

Waiting for that 60fps sm64

[orchid nimbus]

there is a version out there that does that

[lone geyser]

https://github.com/Alleop5/sm64optimized

Wait. I think that's the PC version

[bronze tree]

What makes you think that?

[orchid nimbus]

if it compiles it compiles

[lone geyser]

Was reading the build instructions but not very carefully. It uses a MIPS compiler so gotta be original

[odd vector]

wait, where is the new test build gone?

[odd vector]

https://tenor.com/view/why-is-the-rum-gone-the-curse-of-the-black-pearl-pirates-of-the-caribbean-captain-jack-sparrow-johnny-depp-gif-13405219

[orchid nimbus]

@odd vector it was deemed not ready for release

wednesday we might see an update

[odd vector]

Ohje

at least it looks like great progress again

[compact depot]

it freaking is!

[odd vector]

it will be absolutely worth the wait 😄

[weary palm]

Almost too much for my PAL eyes to handle

[odd vector]

it's going to be the best way for me to play NTSC N64 games. Since my PAL Console plays NTSC in a weird speed

[weary palm]

My best way too

[orchid nimbus]

@weary palm I have no clue how you made that video - it crashes here for me

oh no face level select

duh

[chilly ember]

No water patch

[cerulean elk]

I have no mouth or I must crash

[weary palm]

it crashes there sometimes, but not always. at least not for me.

[agile flicker]

SIXTYFOAH

[weary palm]

perhaps my build is a fluke and a smidge more stable?

[velvet nexus]

hell I can't even seem to locate the correct rom 😐

[agile flicker]

I need WAVE RACE

[teal citrus]

I remember this hack. But never understood what -O2 meant until today.

[weary palm]

Shindou and iQue Mario 64 are build with -O2

[hearty oar]

pretty much means compiling the code in such a way that it will perform faster, but be more difficult to debug

[weary palm]

yes, but who wants that? 😉

[teal citrus]

There's always a caveat, huh?

[weary palm]

not sure if they forgot, or if they were scared to ship a much less tested version of the game

[odd vector]

seeing oot run from ntsc from the first time was already an amazing increase in performance ^^ horrible what we pal people lived with

[weary palm]

16.7 fps ought to be enough for everybody

[hearty oar]

Yep, but for a build that’s shipping that trade off is a non-issue, your users don’t need to be able to debug your game

[teal citrus]

Okay.

Still amazing how this game was developed.

[quaint rune]

The cache speed from the videos is awesome to see. A glimpse to the future 😎

[daring meteor]

5 month between us and core release?

[orchid nimbus]

H2O

[versed cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5_J-RoZQck&t=121s it's not released but this project+mister64 could probably get us to 60fps in the future

[weary palm]

Yeah, it felt unreal to play SM64 and MK64 at their intended speeds on an FPGA

[fast yew]

I can't even get super mario 64 to get past the initial game logo.

[orchid nimbus]

cart crashes here

[oblique remnant]

yes we know 😄

[orchid nimbus]

do you know about a FAQ out there?

[fast yew]

Ahh.. Play with patched rom.... This is how people are getting footage.

[orchid nimbus]

yup

[hearty oar]

I hadn’t heard that before. What was the source of that? Sound plausible

[weary palm]

uhm, I could play MK64?

[hearty oar]

Oh it’s conjecture by MVG, unless I’m reading the wrong part

Still about as likely an explanation as “they forgot”

[native mesa]

It's based on knowledge that the compiler was later bug fixed

or the whole dev kit

N64 launch was delayed for this reason among others

[hearty oar]

I’d believe it, it’s not like we still don’t get amazing bugs almost every SDK release from major console manufacturers

Or like, “yeah we’ll fix that bug for you, it’ll be in the next release”…crickets for several releases

We wouldn’t be caught dead shipping a game without -O3 these days, but back then I guess they lived in a world of more severe memory and rom size constraints

So optimising for binary size would have also been important

[velvet nexus]

just tried the core for the first time

VERY impressive

[daring meteor]

What's impressive is the huge strides this core has been making in the last few weeks hahahaha

Now's the critical part

[velvet nexus]

That's exactly what I mean

that is damned impressive

[daring meteor]

You arrived at the right time, next on the line is the speed fix and some graphics fixes

[velvet nexus]

Excited to see if he crams the whole system in there

[daring meteor]

We're mostly there already :3

[velvet nexus]

I see that

[ocean lily]

I wonder if there was some other bug than the datacache; trying top gear rally for the heck of it has the music playing at like half-speed, whether the cache is on or off

[velvet nexus]

There's one game I use to benchmark n64 emulators

Gauntlet legends just seems to have weird behavior in every n64 emulator

[chilly ember]

I'm curious how well the core will handle the frame rate in 4 player proximity mines in goldeneye when it starts to work

[languid dune]

It doesn't get any better!

[cerulean elk]

Two memes, one box

[velvet nexus]

Hey bacon, I've been keeping up with your videos

[cerulean elk]

I saw that video on the internet somewhere…or was it cups?

[velvet nexus]

Got your work cut out trying to keep up.

[compact depot]

Went all the way in MK64 until moo moo meadows then I had to turn it off and go to the chiropractor

[cerulean elk]

Lol it’s a fun challenge

No work today. Saturn tomorrow. Some form of N64 weds. Afternoon vids

If I get to 30K subs by the time the core is done I’ll make Q…T 64 the game I feature for the special vid

[languid dune]

You spoil us.

[cerulean elk]

3372 to go

73772 til I get my play button plaque. I want to add it to my wall of cool shit

Bad bath. 73372

[dusty tusk]

Paper boy is complete able

[velvet nexus]

oh crap

I dunno if I subbed

I'm subscribed

[nimble needle]

Some using Pal, some NTSC?

[velvet nexus]

so the sound and video processors act independently of eachother?

[vapid moat]

We got a new build with the data cache? Has it been posted?

Can't seem to find it in #test-builds

[velvet nexus]

Got pulled back

Was borked

[vapid moat]

Huh

[velvet nexus]

It had some weird problems

Not ready yet

I don't like the sound of it working differently on 2 different de10-nanos 😐

[cerulean elk]

Welcome to Sega Saturn core testing

The most organic digital thing ever

[velvet nexus]

yeah?

There was a certain comfort in knowing we were all mostly on the same platform

[cerulean elk]

@fallen sparrow will tell you. Just ask him about Saturn SotN

[velvet nexus]

what's up with SOTN saturn?

I'd LOVE to play that in english

[fallen sparrow]

Hopefully it remains working

[fallen sparrow]

There is a transaction

[velvet nexus]

transaction?

[fallen sparrow]

Sorry
Translation

[velvet nexus]

and it works on the saturn core?

[weary palm]

Aw. Tried to build that 60fps version of SM64, but it's incompatible with the core in it's current state.

[velvet nexus]

did you add it to the white list?

[languid dune]

It does for me.

[hearty oar]

It would need to be patched to bypass TLB as well, so the no face patch

[velvet nexus]

okay I'mma give it a go

[hearty oar]

I think someone here figured out how to do that in the decompiled code…

[weary palm]

E0040

It is patched already

[mortal apex]

I was thinking about trying that. Looking forward to seeing it run eventually maybe 🙂

[thick terrace]

could be a ram thing like the saturn. I originally had an older 128mb sdram and the saturn core wasn't loading some games for me, but when I switched to a new module with good ram timings everything started working, like SOTN.

[cerulean elk]

Yes 2.5 vs 2.9 seemed to be throwing diff results based on the timings / speeds

I keep a 2.5 build going next to my 2.9 so I can compare

[velvet nexus]

this is pretty fantastic

[orchid nimbus]

Massive amounts of lookup tables

TBL

[modern sleet]

I've yet to run into any issues on my many 2.5 boards, what are any specifics issues?

[cerulean elk]

Nobody’s 100% sure. Probably down to speed. So not every 2.5 will have issues. Running memtest you want around 145 if I remember correctly

Also doing that from memory so that could be wrong number wise

@languid dune you remember what it should be?

[orchid nimbus]

140~145

[cerulean elk]

So I was right. I pulled that number out of my ass a bit

[orchid nimbus]

As usual 😉

I am at the dentist later

[languid dune]

Should be 2.9 from what I remember.

[weary palm]

?

oh, TLB?

[weary beacon]

Can someone send me the data-cache build? I'd like to test it. Thank you!

[zinc dew]

It got pulled because it's unstable at the moment. I'd stick with the previous build and wait until Robert puts a new one without crashes.

[ocean lily]

one thing that impresses me about the n64 is just how many registers it has

[weary beacon]

Maybe it could be the SDRAM or PSU? More tests should be good to confirm it's not hardware related...

[cerulean elk]

I thought it mostly had self checkouts?

(Dad joke)

[fair stump]

Robert was able to reproduce the issue between two of his machines so he should be able to sort it out himself

[ocean lily]

I have no doubt

[native mesa]

I'd like to try it if you get it working. Not sure how the guy did noface from source but I think he basically moved around some functions

[cerulean elk]

Best to wait for a consistent WIP core. The whole “two people, two diff results” thing gets confusing

[weary palm]

I've already done several patches myself. Some of them are at Vampier's site.

[native mesa]

Oh you're the guy

Got it

I think the 60fps SM64 uses expansion pak ram

[weary palm]

Perhaps it'll work one day. It's supposed to work on real hw, but I don't own a flashcart.

[worldly quartz]

I really should try it but the pc port is just so good

[worn delta]

Is there a "best" version of Mario 64 that can be patched? I know some have rubble support that was in a Japanese revision

[worldly quartz]

probably bug fixes + 60 fps + rumble if they work together

[chilly ember]

Mario 64 Shindou speedrunners don't care for because it fixes alot of the speedrunning glitches

[worldly quartz]

for me bug fix just for the correct burning pants look and performance boost

[hearty oar]

shindou also removes "so long-a Bowser" iirc

[chilly ember]

Yea that too

[worldly quartz]

Is that what the n64 online uses? It does not have that line there

[hearty oar]

I think so, 3D All Stars definitely uses it at least

[marble cargo]

Mario realized that calling Bowser gay was incorrect, so he corrected himself by acknowledging Bowser's bisexuality by saying "bye bi"

[worldly quartz]

Although does the 60fps work on actual device? It's not on romhacking.net

All I've found so far are for emulators only

[chilly ember]

I can test on flashcart when I get home. I never tried it

[worldly quartz]

any link for the hack? I do want to try the rumble + 60fps on an n64 too

[worn delta]

Be interesting to see if it runs on the core to the same level as the retail ROM does

[chilly ember]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4905/

Says it works on a flashcart

[worldly quartz]

doesn't that just improve FPS than improve FPS + 60 fps patch?

[chilly ember]

That's just what someone posted earlier

[worn delta]

Can you patch a ROM multiple times OK? So apply this then apply the one that removes the face at the start?

[worldly quartz]

depends on how and where data is affected

with this one, you'll probably have to test it out

[versed cairn]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5755/

[chilly ember]

I tried for a couple rom hacks the other day and didn't have any luck

[versed cairn]

this one is the shindou version with english and smoke fix and “So long-a. Bowser!”

[worldly quartz]

reduced lag is unlikely since it probably rearranges the executable stuff

since it goes from debug build to release build

[orchid nimbus]

Sorry muscle memory TBL = table

[weary palm]

I think I prefer the glitched smoke texture

[chilly ember]

Same

[weary palm]

It matches the sizzle sound

[orchid nimbus]

What error code is this?

Got it

I need to do a hex check and a length limit

[marble cargo]

Even though that data cache build was scrapped, I'm still impressed by how fast games are running despite the clock speed being technically slower.

[orchid nimbus]

Yup

I hope we don’t run into the limits at this point

[quaint rune]

Can games still be played fine without any noticeable slowdown on our parts with a lower clock speed ?

[orchid nimbus]

It sounded like FPGAZumspass was surprised

Especially with games displaying different behavior depending on what mister he tried it on

I see the same behavior here with a wide range of test results for the same game

(As wide as it gets with limited release)

[marble cargo]

Sounds like a bug in the coding.

[orchid nimbus]

Or the limits of the de10nano and memory speeds

[marble cargo]

If that was the case, then everyone should experience the same results. Which makes me think it's a bug.

[orchid nimbus]

If it’s a bug everyone would experience the same result - which they don’t

Memory and de10nanos have variations

But all we do here is speculate

[cerulean elk]

Run memtest. Every ram will spit out a diff result. Not by much but it will happen

I have two 2.9 builds. Same ram chips. Same design. Two results

It’s the silicon lottery. Think of OC’ing your CPU…same silicon, diff results. No run of chips will ever be 100% identical

Same with XMP and ram. Some sticks will just tolerate it better

[orchid nimbus]

Time for dinner - anyone wants to guess what’s in the red triangle?

[compact depot]

A building

[native mesa]

Keep in mind the clock speeds may be less but things like no AA, filters and texture filtering also improve performance

So it may be 'full speed' but it's also missing those graphical enhancements

[inner garden]

UAPs, orbs? buried metallic structures?

[native mesa]

Nintendo of America?

[sonic kiln]

Would anyone be horribly opposed if I tried adding N64 to the mister unstable nightlies builds?

[native mesa]

For what purpose

[marble cargo]

I would wait until the Nintendo 64 core is a little more stable. It's still up in the air if it will be feasible.

[sonic kiln]

You’d get a build regularly as the main branch updates

[native mesa]

Anytime robert makes a change he posts a build

[sonic kiln]

Haha I guess it’s not needed

I think PSX was on both

[native mesa]

I don't think he'd want that

Not yet anyway

[velvet nexus]

yeah I think there's a bit of uncertainty yet

[carmine kettle]

@zinc dew you try N64 BlueRetro Controller Receiver from 8bitmod with snax?

[zenith orchid]

lol who are you doxxing? 😄

[zinc dew]

Nah I don’t have the receiver. Interested in getting one though.

[worldly quartz]

well at least the 8bitdo n64 kit is in my country now. Question is how long will it take to clear

[vapid moat]

Wasn't there an exploration on implementing the core with bit higher speed to help get past these limits possibly?

#1096015979055697940 message

[zinc dew]

It’s just a conversation within the group here. Once the N64 core is closer to being complete, there will be an opportunity to evaluate what kind of hacks are possible. Like in the PSX core.

Exciting times!

[dreamy ridge]

how did the overclock work on the psx core?

[cerulean elk]

Like the “code won’t allow Superman 64 to boot” variant

[dreamy ridge]

a "reevaluate your life" popup will appear when you load superman 64 on mister

[orchid nimbus]

Blizzard

[orchid nimbus]

it started with an E 😄

[worldly quartz]

There was a discussion before iirc something about 3 kinds of builds like focused on speed, supported functions since there were concerns that supporting all commands would slow down the core or something.

Probably will be reevaluated as the core gets more complete

[mortal panther]

You didn't say what you were having for dinner though.
Japanese? Indian?

[orchid nimbus]

hawaiian

[mortal panther]

I was close...

[warped cobalt]

The beauty of the FPGA technology is that those enhancements will not slow things down as long as there is enough room on the FPGA for the gates.

[native mesa]

It slows down real hardware

If you disable AA through ROM patches you get improved framerates

[warped cobalt]

I think that will be the same on the FPGA implementation, once the CPU caches and pipelines and such have also been implemented. I might be wrong.

It is like a system with many chips where texture filtering is done on the gpu and other stuff on the cpu. The FPGA will have those components run in parallel without loss of performance.

[desert nest]

The FPGA, ideally, will have them run the same way they did on original hardware, so those features will reduce performance.

[warped cobalt]

But not below original N64 performance is all I am trying to say.

[desert nest]

For sure, let's just be clear on that. 🙂

[warped cobalt]

Ok we all agree then.

[ocean lily]

yes, but all that requires memory access and that memory bandwidth was at a premium on the N64, which is why things run better when they're disabled

and memory has other caveats on MiSTer

[quaint rune]

So some people here with ram 2.5 were able to play games fine ? I haven’t tried any build but that’s the version I have.

[spare meadow]

Now I am scared

[compact lark]

Mighty impressive considering CPU is not at full speed. Of course, Texture Filtering, Anti-aliasing and whole buncha other features are not implemented yet, but hoping it's still full speed by then.

[zinc dew]

I have all confidence this will be the best N64 emulation when it’s done.

No reason to worry or hope. This is golden.

[quaint rune]

Me too. Robert is still way ahead of his predicted original schedule

[brisk edge]

it's also just been exciting to see how everything pieces together as each new part gets implemented

and surprising when some games just kinda work and others don't, all kinds of variability

[versed cairn]

I think it’s more what speed your ram can hit. Mine can do 146mhz and it doesn’t seem to freeze as much as other people here. Still freezes though. I have all the confidence Robert will iron out the cache pretty fast

[zinc dew]

The N64 is a higher spec variant of the PS1. Robert has developed several cores prior but the PS1 was his biggest challenge. He developed an excellent process by writing an emulator first then moving onto FPGA. You’re basically looking at one of the best in core development execute on his mastery.

[marble cargo]

I have two 2.9 128MB RAM modules on my MiSTer that can hit 148mhz on average, and I got pretty mixed results with the data cache build. Generally faster performance, but also more prone to breaking.

Not sure about everyone else.

[zinc dew]

No optimization has happened.

What I mean is that it’s not feature complete yet and gone through the gamut of severe testing to isolate and fixing timing issues.

Sorry, y’all know this already.

[neat sierra]

Now tell us the story of GBA again Robby! Pleeeeeeeze!

[quaint rune]

Core must go through rigorous slapping before ready

[marble cargo]

Maybe the core just needs a quiche to optimize the cache.

[neat sierra]

You know what’s amazing is the Twitter threads whenever robert posts updates on N64 actually make the comments in here seem pretty smart 😜

Even Robby!

[slate sundial]

I'm using a 512GB high speed SDCard in a Ugreen USB stick/reader - makes it super easy to add large ROMs, and portable.

[quaint rune]

It’s really interesting to recognize someone from the discord commenting on Robert’s posts. It’s like seeing your teacher in the grocery store “HEY I KNOW YOU”

[slate sundial]

maybe use a SDCard USB reader

[neat sierra]

Yeah true not all of the replies are dumb

[slate sundial]

I think the USB just reads ROMs, with saves and savestates etc being written to local DE10n SDCard

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/the webpage now has a dedicated error lookup bar - saves scrolling

just click on the error summary to close the thing

[hearty oar]

Is tick yes this bit is set, or all good, no error, that bit is not set?

Well I can see the answer just by looking at it I guess

The programmer in me would probably prefer it to not be like that lol, but I kind of get it

[modern sleet]

Oh I just realized the data cache was pushed.. I thought Robert was taking some time off 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

red/cross == error triggered

green == all good

[sacred valley]

Unfortunate I missed the test build but man is it pleasing to see what the core is capable of (RE: speed). Obviously issues to work out but I have nothing but faith. Awesome stuff

[orchid nimbus]

@modern sleet it was withdrawn - too unstable

since my OCD was tingling

[zinc dew]

you missed a MathML 2.0 documentation verifyer

I don't think you're compliant with that kind of sloppy mistake

[drowsy junco]

Sorry, why did you tag me with this?

[compact lark]

Sorry, was a mistake, didn't realize.

[orchid nimbus]

never even used or heard about it - so I don't care

I must say for a quickly handcoded HTML document it wasn't bad

I got too much experience with this bs

[zinc dew]

damnit, I made all that up lol

You didn’t fall for my ruse!

[orchid nimbus]

I only care for HTML5

SVG/ARIA/MathML --- don't care

[zinc dew]

Ok then you missed a line there for full compliance

[orchid nimbus]

<meta charset="UTF-8">

it's there dork

[zinc dew]

lol

I am tricksy!

[orchid nimbus]

anyway - eat me

[modern sleet]

Just built it, and its its so silky smooth, didnt have any issues with my build

ooh my, I dont even think the normal system ran this smooth haha

[orchid nimbus]

wait - can you share your version with me?

might be that FPGAZumSpass had a compile error then

[chilly ember]

I built it earlier and it seems kinda unstable still so probably not

[modern sleet]

I just tested MK64, SM64, and wave race

[languid dune]

I tested it earlier, and it broke a lot of stuff. But it also improved a lot of stuff.

[chilly ember]

Frame rate so much better when it works

[languid dune]

Even San Fransisco Rush was completely playable.

[modern sleet]

Yeah, my test was pretty basic

[orchid nimbus]

@modern sleet your version works

[languid dune]

But then a lot games that worked before completely broke. Like both MK4 and Trilogy.

[chilly ember]

Turok doesn't crash at the first key is main thing I found

[fair stump]

I had a couple freezes and failures to load games even

[languid dune]

I did almost get into a match in KI Gold. The stage loaded, but it locked just before the match started.

[orchid nimbus]

damn 😄

[chilly ember]

I got donkey Kong 64 in game with patch but it freezes during the intro scene

[orchid nimbus]

@modern sleet what did you do differently?

there are some weird clicks where it would crash

30fps

[solid crest]

Does the music stay in sync with the intro to Banjo Kazooie?

[modern sleet]

There's not much that's different, though I do remove calculations in the video out to force the sync timing to fix issues for YC. So that and enabling the YC module is the only difference

[orchid nimbus]

yeah Goemon doesn't work anymore

but this surprises me

[hearty oar]

wow, the lack of texture filtering is really the only tell that this isn't the real deal

well that and the error codes lol

[zinc dew]

Why would anyone want to play vanilla Mario Kart 64 when they could be playing Dragon Ball Kart 64?

[orchid nimbus]

wipeout 20fps stable

[marble cargo]

Can I also try this "fixed" build?

[random portal]

Corneria, the first planet in the Lylat system

[viscid nebula]

When's the analogue pocket port coming

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun good morning 🙂 I tried a build from @modern sleet and it runs on my system

a bit of weird audio clicks un Mario / but Goemon doesn't run but overall I can run more games

he added the YC module

[modern sleet]

Yeah, the YC module was added for my own use for now ;), the only other thing I changed was forcing the Hsync to values to expand the Hsync. Not knowing what's in the data cache I could just have a lucky build

[wanton sun]

as some of you worry about the overall speed/memory bandwidth or so not being enough on the de10-nano: this is not really the case here. First: when we speak about memory, it's always DDR3. The sdram only stores the rom, which is very slowly accessed and should be no issue at all. In terms of DDR3: We run the memory/cpu on the same clock for plenty of builds now without any issue. And it's used a lot, as nearly every component accesses it. Even more suspisous is that the instruction cache, that always works fine and stable for many builds, uses the same memory access as the new datacache. It's the same ports of the cpu module. So the issue must be somewhere else. It stinks like a timing issue as it changes between different boards and builds, but then it seems 100% stable over temperature and the build i made had timing closure, so quartus would lie. But a mistake i made is much more likely. So i will continue to research it. I might post builds here in the channel that some people could test to find out if the randomness is gone

[orchid nimbus]

thanks @wanton sun

[desert nest]

https://tenor.com/view/leslie-nielsen-good-luck-pressure-were-all-counting-on-you-gif-11218612

I'm curious what'll be found

[zenith orchid]

I had a feeling there would be such complications with datacache, because of how young the core is. I think when it was added to the PSX core it was already quite stable and mature

I actually thought datacache would be after TLB

best of luck regardless

[orchid nimbus]

BLT

yum

[lament escarp]

Imagine the cpu cache us some elaborate zelda dungeon. Solving it can be fun too!

[zenith orchid]

That's an excellent way of looking at it

[lament escarp]

As long as it's not the oot water temple.

[zenith orchid]

I have the links awakening dungeon music stuck in my head now

[solemn maple]

Maybe the core can play the Navi "hey! LISTEN!" sound every time the data cache is used for debugging purposes

[mortal apex]

This is kinda funny. It's the shindou version with yesterday's core

[orchid nimbus]

Dead

[worldly quartz]

wonder where she actually goes to in the game like just fade to 100% transparent?

[mortal apex]

She disappeared when I entered the castle. I doubt she's in other scenes besides the ending but who knows 🙂

[worldly quartz]

so is that the default output for CRT?

[foggy stirrup]

dont know what that is lol

[worldly quartz]

I use dual + corio, so don't know the status of analog crt out (other than it's not great yet)

[wicked granite]

Maybe its not the datacache itself, but as the cpu is now feeding the other parts faster with data it might also be an issue with some halting/waiting mechanism not being properly implemented or premature reuse of some dma channel etc. So lots of possibilites to investigate. But you are to hard on yourself. This is what testing is about, we very quickly learned that there is some non deterministic behaviour going on...... don't worry about us, we are gladly testing even the most borked try.

[chilly ember]

Turok was randomly cutting to a black screen with today's build like the game was hanging but would start back again like the game is trying to prevent itself from crashing, That's with data cache on

[hearty python]

Perhaps the cache get corrupted in some way ?

How big is the cache ?

But I think since some degrees was shown with datacache switched off, there is perhaps a combination of errors that’s the reason for this behavior

[limber willow]

In the message from zumspass, he said speed is different on different boards?

As in, on each of our de10 Nanos?

[hearty python]

I don’t know if he does a measurement or if he means the results are different on different misters.

[remote hatch]

we are doomed

Let's wait for Robert, for sure it will be ok 🙂

[hearty python]

Yes, we can only speculate and do some tests to help. I personally bet that the „now“ synchronized clockrate of the both chips play a role.

[sharp ermine]

@hearty python @limber willow when hardware is pushed to its limits “silicon lottery” comes into play

[lament escarp]

I'm actually surprised we got this many test builds without any major issues. It was bound to happen sometime, and it's bound to have a solution.

[hearty oar]

could be a similar situation to the saturn core I guess, where your ram timings accidentally come into play

[hearty python]

Saturn use SDram, but n64 core use DDR3, so I guess ram isn’t involved

[amber saffron]

Huh this doesn't use the ram add-on? Surprising

[hearty oar]

ah right yeah I'd forgotten about Robert's post above

[hearty python]

Don’t think that’s the reason, cause he lowered also the clockrate over 30% in this build.

[hearty python]

Only for games rom

[chilly ember]

Totally got donkey Kong 64 in game after numerous crashes. The sound glitches and usually freezes the whole game but got one where only the sound stopped but gameplay still is going. Neat

[versed cairn]

Man the cache really speeds things up. With the cpu at full clock it’s gonna be noticeably faster then a real n64

No slowdown in rare games potentially

[remote hatch]

Wave Race 64 works nice with cache

[oblique remnant]

Longer than 5mins then?

[remote hatch]

for me up to 5min haha

[odd vector]

Full speed for PALians

[chilly ember]

Wave race crashed during the 4th race with data cache for me. DK 64 just crashed on me on the first level where bird talks

[hollow rune]

I think there is a mistake in the testing Google sheet. Someone marked a ton of games as playable, but didn't mark themselves as having tested them. @worn delta just thought you should know.

[lament escarp]

Why would it be faster? A real n64 has both full clock speed and a cpu cache.

[versed cairn]

I don’t have the technical knowledge to tell you why but I do know from playing a real n64 a lot that the speed is on par or better in the current build

I think it might be cause texture filtering and AA isn’t implemented yet

[remote hatch]

everyone has played the PAL version and it seems that core runs faster 😛

[weary beacon]

On the real N64 most of the time the bottleneck is the RAM, not the CPU.

[odd vector]

someone should try Starshot with the Data Cache implemented

[versed cairn]

Removing AA on a real n64 does improve frame rate by 4 or 5 frames

[oblique remnant]

On all games?!

[versed cairn]

In my experience yeah. When the fps isn’t locked. Golden eye and banjo tooie are ones I noticed it helping a lot

Diddy kong racing was another. That game can dip a lot

[hearty oar]

That’s amazing, especially given the Nintendo of today actually forgoes AA on a lot of their Switch games (despite it costing next to nothing there by comparison, if that 4-5 frames figure on N64 is accurate)

[versed cairn]

It’s enough to be noticeable. I don’t have exact numbers

[chilly ember]

It might be closer to 1-3

https://youtu.be/-Nef6A2C3kI?si=5ZHyCQuRTkJFmUUL

I can say it is noticeable tho, I use the anti aliasing disable codes on ever drive too

[versed cairn]

Oh wow this is perfect

Yeah looks like it depends on the game but more like 3

Golden eye looks like it doesn’t get much of a boost in the vid

[quaint rune]

Zamn. Never realized how blurry 64 was

[remote hatch]

More blur more cool

[versed cairn]

Honestly after messing with it for a while, I prefer the n64 AA on a crt. It just looks right

On a flat screen it’s no AA all the way

[lament escarp]

I can just take off my glasses for the same or even better blur effect.

[oblique remnant]

If i look at the water and sky textures in SM64 I say yes to AA 😀 back then it was also the selling point over Ps1. Today I see it differently

[compact lark]

Accurate N64 graphics with AA/blur was only implemented on N64 emulation in 2017 with the angrylion plugin which, at least back then, required good processing power to run fullspeed. All other emulation solutions until that point, even those officially from Nintendo, didn't implement the feature.

[versed cairn]

Maybe it’s nostalgia. I just like it. Even on my 14L5 pvm

[lament escarp]

I just wanna be a elve boy that solves mysteries, plays music and gets hit on by a fish. With or without aa.

[hearty oar]

We have parallel RDP now at least, which is essentially angylion reimplemented using compute shaders to accelerate it on the GPU and even allow for upscaling. So I’d say software emulation for n64 is in a pretty decent place now

[lament escarp]

I'm really curious wether in a year or so n64 software emulation will improve by studying roberts core.

[teal citrus]

GOD, I sure hope so.

[pliant valve]

Will the n64 be able to disable the blur?

[zenith orchid]

well, so far there is no blur. If you're wondering if it'll be toggle-able when it is added, then yes.

[odd vector]

i suggest calling it PSX Mode ^^

[limber willow]

just need to find 2 more fruits then I'm through the first level of yoshi story

[hearty oar]

you people amaze me, in the best possible way

[remote hatch]

hype is real 🙂

I really only want to play a few games on the N64 , and I am looking forward to it very much

I played MK64 with my son and we really had a great time

[worn delta]

Thanks, reverted that. Hopefully that was some user error

[limber willow]

TIL, Gex 3D was released for the N64.
And it's playable on the core 😄

this game suits the N64 controller way better than the PSX version

[weary palm]

How?

[native mesa]

That's the patched ROM that removes the expansion pak check right

[weary palm]

Yeah, I made that patch too 😉

But it usually crashes right after the dolby logo

[native mesa]

So does the core use expanded ram at this point?

[weary palm]

yes

[oblique remnant]

Guess so I managed to get to titlescreen in hybrid heaven. There you can choose low- or highres already.

[weary palm]

wow the latest core doesn't crash at dolby anymore. amazing 🙂

[native mesa]

@oblique remnant have you ever played Jelly Boy 2?

[oblique remnant]

I should

[weary palm]

❤️

I just enjoyed some Monkey Rap

Guess we were wrong when we said that DK64 would be one of the last games we would get in-game.

[daring meteor]

What do you think will be one of the last to get in game

I bet goldeneye

[oblique remnant]

Conker

[solemn maple]

Anyone tried f-zero on the cache-build?

[native mesa]

TLB games

[vapid hawk]

it'll be something obscure we never even considered like virtual pool 2000

[native mesa]

Perfect Dark

Paper Mario

Goldeneye

[remote hatch]

MARIO 64 without no-face patch 🙂

[native mesa]

That too

[compact depot]

Nightmare Creatures

[remote hatch]

meh

play on psx 😛

[safe robin]

i saw a cool video yesterday where a guy played and reviewed every shooter on the PSX and for some Games like Duke Nukem 3D he pointed out that playing the N64 port is way more interesting because it had unique weapons and they had a strong censorship and its funny to see how they removed all the naugthy stuff ^^

so im looking forward to play some shooters on the n64 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Lol. Do you mind if I use this in a future video for fun?

Just to talk about “WIP cores can do some charmingly funny things”

[safe robin]

Here is the Video if someone is interested:
#share-media message

[blissful plaza]

No change.

Maybe with the iQue version...
But I don't have it on my tests folder.

[cold pollen]

Nah she blinked

[prime sphinx]

I was wondering how others were booting up Super Mario 64, because I can't get it to play much. The game boots, "Its a me Mario" words come through along with the title screen and then it freezes right after.

[devout leaf]

Have you patched the face out?

[cold pollen]

It's a special patch that skips the face grabbing part

That section uses part of the N64 that the core doesn't support yet

[prime sphinx]

ok thank you

[mortal apex]

Please do! I often watch your videos, and PCN's too. It's how I found out about the MiSTer project in the first place 😁

[cerulean elk]

appreciate it. Thanks!

[zinc dew]

Sorry, I don’t approve

[cerulean elk]

go back to your cave

[zinc dew]

ok I approve that one

[cerulean elk]

lousy nerd hobbit...Robbit!

[zinc dew]

Also the star of Jumping Flash!

If you think about it, perfect N64 game

[cerulean elk]

dont you compare yourself to Jumping Flash. Brings shame on Jumping Flash 😆

[zinc dew]

I played Chameleon Twist yesterday and without the texture filtering or anti-aliasing it really does look like a shit PS1 game lmao

[weary beacon]

Angrylion’s been about since around 2012 , it was far too demanding for CPU’s of the time!

[zinc dew]

Runs full speed and only minor glitches on enemy sprites though

[compact lark]

Sorry my timeline's off, I do recalled testing it out in 2014 now that you mention it.

[dreamy ridge]

i played gex 64 yesterday, a game i rented one time in 1998 and entirely forgot about. it was pretty fun

[devout leaf]

We need a modern day Jumping Flash.

[native mesa]

Did you enter the gecko

[orchid nimbus]

I'm not into that

[devout leaf]

Can’t wait for the Gex remake coming. I hope all the references are incredibly dated still.

[frail jolt]

I'm sure he will still say bye Felicia and floss... maybe dab too

But hey, still dated

[vapid moat]

Seeing all of ya'll report on with data cache stuff makes wish I got to try the core out too when it was available

Is Robert gonna work on that one a while for now

[inner bronze]

Im just curious where the error is. I wonder if DRAM timing is enough of a difference between people to cause the differing crash points. Because you'd expect everyone to crash at the same point given the same inputs.

[orchid nimbus]

yes the n64 is now his main core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm-A3HN1U_M

in the meantime you can watch this video at glorious 30fps

[daring meteor]

Did you upload at a low res or is it processing

[orchid nimbus]

still processing

[inner bronze]

How come you dont have data cache crashes?

🤔

[orchid nimbus]

@inner bronze I actually have

[odd vector]

you may have to record toads turnpike

that's the one track that's lagging ^^

[inner bronze]

Neh this one was lagging too

only time trials were smooth

[zenith orchid]

It would be neat to have presets like that.

[safe robin]

thats exactly how i remember my laggy N64. If the Movie Matrix told us one thing then that this lag is acutally bullet time 😎

[hollow rune]

Boo

[compact lark]

I looked through your uploads.
This was Mario Kart 64 3 days ago.
https://youtu.be/QIV8bZphum4?si=I0I4plghlse96sQc
I can't help but feel how so much is happening in the core this August.

https://youtu.be/sNNU0DZ34Gw?si=D12LUAsB9lZLJ2lD
Remember when Namco Museum was the first game to boot back in July 11?

[hasty kayak]

Because that track has a lot going on with the Cars and Trucks on it.

[marble cargo]

I remember on original hardware Toad's Turnpike being one of the courses prone to lag.

Some courses run smoothly, while others tax the hardware more. It's one of those unavoidable issues.

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/golden-eye-pierce-brosnan-james-bond-sean-bean-alec-trevelyan-gif-4997021

[mortal apex]

It's been said multiple times, but I still can't believe how far the core has come in the last 16 days. We only had Namco Museum to get excited about before that 🤣

[weary palm]

Ique version of fzero works with quite bad graphical issues.

[native mesa]

Avoidable with it coded the way it is probably. Not sure if Mario Kart 64 source code was also in the gigaleak

[weary palm]

Runs at a stable 60fps, though

[wanton sun]

with or without cache? 😉

[weary palm]

With

[daring meteor]

iQue our savior

[hollow rune]

I missed the cache core, but I know what comes next will be fantastic

[daring meteor]

The Cache-er core

[wanton sun]

i'm not convinced there is really a bug with the cache...or maybe there is, but it's not that alone? it seems there are just still several instabilities overall. maybe they manifest more when the core is faster

[daring meteor]

I tested and it seems to be the case indeed that they manifest more

[cerulean elk]

When can I cache in the next capture? I don’t want to write a video check I can’t cache. Cache is king after all

[wanton sun]

e.g. i made a build where only the ddr3 is slower and that makes mario kart crash again after the spinning logo...without cache

i will likely make a build with cache off as default today or tomorrow and rather go and fix those bugs first

[zenith orchid]

that's what I figured, that its really too early to mess with the speed in such significant ways

[cerulean elk]

👍 I’ll just mention cache is coming. 877-cache-now

[weary palm]

Sometimes only the sound disappear before the core crashes.

[wanton sun]

yes...the original plan was to add cache when like 80% of the games work ok. i just did it earlier as i was hoping for a stable mario kart core soon, but the core isn't there yet

[zenith orchid]

maybe add cache after TLB?

[wanton sun]

there is no need to hurry, still 4 months before the schedule 🙂

[cerulean elk]

Yes. It’s not EXACTLY Christmas yet

[zenith orchid]

yeah you need TLB anyway to get 80% to work okay

[cerulean elk]

Or thanksgiving. Or Halloween. Or even September 🤣

[daring meteor]

I mean, who knows, maybe you fix the bugs and suddenly the cache works alright haha

[zenith orchid]

but if cache is toggle-able, then it could open the doors to reproducible bugs perhaps

[wanton sun]

i played through all 6 tracks of waverace with the cache and a 93mhz cpu, so it can't really be that bad, but who knows

yes, i will make the cache toggle-able and even more, provide some option to make it slightly slower in 16 steps

[hollow rune]

So if it isn't the cache in the next build, what is on the commit list?

[daring meteor]

It will be, but it'll be more granular

At least from what I'm seeing-

[wanton sun]

still need to work some thing out, but yes, tomorrow i will hopefulyl have a build back at 93mhz cpu with cache optional(default off)

[fair stump]

maybe some gold will help, try cache4gold dot com

[safe robin]

its sad we cant jus download more cache the same way we can download more ram!

[daring meteor]

I wanna get free cache

[native mesa]

cache money

[zenith orchid]

and for us who just wants to play games, we can find the sweet spot for increased speed without the stability issues. 🙂👍

[cerulean elk]

My student loans go into repayment again soon. I might have to sell bones

[hollow orbit]

Switch to the new payment plan. My payments dropped to $30/mo.

From $200 or so

[unkempt vortex]

very cool, that game requires the extra ram!

[weary palm]

Hey, a Swede

[hollow orbit]

StudentAid.gov/SAVE

[hollow orbit]

Upcoming Midway cores. It’s not about size of ram but having two in parallel to increase speed.

Oops thought that said “what game”

[unkempt vortex]

just commenting on the dk64

[hollow orbit]

I am smrt and pay close attention

[compact lark]

What do you think of the YC build by @modern sleet which apparently was less crashy?

[native mesa]

What was it about the screen in Luigi's raceway that made it so hard to emulate back in the day?

[wanton sun]

it's using the framebuffer as texture. As most emulators use(d) a hardware renderer this is not as trivial

[native mesa]

framebufferception

[wanton sun]

for a pure software renderer or the fpga implementation, nothing special is to consider. It's just a texture in RDRAM like every other, it doesn't matter if the RDP has put it there, CPU or RSP

[languid dune]

Just want to say thank you again Robert for all your work on this. It's incredible, and has been a blast to test with everyone here!

[cerulean elk]

That’s in my list of shit to do today

[native mesa]

I call bs. I think it's a conspiracy to get the core less desirable on mister over the new 'marsFPGA' they are trying to push

[drowsy lantern]

I would like to think that if Robert had a crack at it, he could make a Midway core that runs on a single stick.

[viscid nebula]

nobody wants dual ram

half the boards out there don't support it

[daring meteor]

How many use mister on alt boards?

[viscid nebula]

I have an analog board

analog boards don't have dual ram

only digital io boards

[daring meteor]

Oh right

[languid dune]

I don't even think I can upgrade to dual ram since I'm using a RetroCastle MiSTer.

[daring meteor]

Ah you mean analog IO

[viscid nebula]

yeah

[hearty python]

New core? Thought the released was at 63,5 MHz? Make it sense test wise to implement switchable waitstates for the datacache?

[lilac scroll]

Mo cache, mo problems

[wanton sun]

yes, that is what i'm going to do

[marble cargo]

I do so you're wrong.

[viscid nebula]

its ok to be wrong

[lilac scroll]

I have two misters so I could ram out on one

[viscid nebula]

you'll always have jaguar

[lilac scroll]

we’re now preboarding first class, star alliance platinum, and people with two misters

[viscid nebula]

now boarding any military babies

[hearty python]

Was the switch for datacache also broken? Cause the errors are not gone if switched of, was it there more the lower clockrate?

[daring meteor]

The errors were gone if it was switched off

[hearty python]

Thought I read something different

[mild ether]

I didn't use that core a whole bunch but it worked pretty well on San Francisco rush and cruisn USA.

For me anyway and I left cruisn running for 8 hours while I slept.

I got to try that shindou version thing with Peach. Hilarious

[mortal apex]

I tried the datacache core on Banjo Kazooie. It's become a bit unresponsive but that framerate improvement 😍

The game usually crashes when you toggle the option during gameplay, but during transitions it seems to work ok

[viscid nebula]

holy crap

so fast

its playable

[mild ether]

A whole 16 frames per second!

[mortal apex]

Here's without datacache for reference

[viscid nebula]

watch longer

[vapid moat]

Doope

[viscid nebula]

it hits what looks like 60

[mild ether]

Oh wow.

[vapid moat]

Could anyone maybe DM the build just so I can get into that

[mortal apex]

That's without datacache, I toggle it as I leave the house.

[viscid nebula]

I think a fresh bulid is coming tomorrow or something

someone said wednesday

[vapid moat]

Without data cache Iirc

[mild ether]

It sounded like tomorrow.

[mild ether]

Well data cache or not the core is still awesome and I am excited to test it more with or without it. Whatever way helps get it to completion easiest. There is one game I wished worked but I will be patient.

[eternal island]

i might just cave and try it this weekend...

both this and saturn

its been killing me recently trying to hold off on it

[mild ether]

I still haven't tried Saturn but I really should. Actually owned a Saturn back in the day and didn't have a N64.

I am sure Starfield will take some of my attention away though.

[carmine kettle]

saturn most game runs

[eternal island]

so ive heard

[brisk drum]

Just got done beating guardian heroes

[carmine kettle]

n64 most game boot up but not playable testing purpose.

[brisk drum]

Flawless sound and graphics!!

Took down the sky spirits

[eternal island]

and comments like what adventuretaco just said, videos of mario kart, that dude who posted pics as he completed banjo kazooie

you make me wanna try them so bad

lol

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-waiting-for-do-it-do-it-procrastination-gif-14245001

Carpe core

[eternal island]

im waiting for... the weekend

👍

[mild ether]

Saturn has a really deep library if you are into the Japanese games. That is what I am waiting to get into with that core.

[carmine kettle]

but n64 its developing dramatically quick

[brisk drum]

While you wait for the next update .. why not play some Saturn

[eternal island]

with recently surprise open appendectomy and choosing to just keeping working, i don't wanna do much, but the excitement from these 2 channels

good stuff

better than the pain killers

[mild ether]

Could be fun in combination with them. 😂

Really got sucked into the N64 core with Dr Mario being playable.

[brisk drum]

Get well soon G

[cerulean elk]

Some Saturn Bomberman!

[eternal island]

lol its not bad at all i think. the worst part was the dye they gave me before the operation to find it. no idea how dye can make ya feel like ya crapped your pants, but here we are

[marble cargo]

The development of the Nintendo 64 and SEGA Saturn cores are like opposites of each other.

One has frequent updates and the developer is open to discuss what needs to be done, while the other gets updates after long periods and the developer acts reclusive.

Not saying either is a bad approach, just seems funny.

[cerulean elk]

Don’t forget Srg320 has a much diff situation in life

Lives in an active occupied war zone

So no surprise he isn’t chatty

[eternal island]

i'm happy with both

so excited to have all the old consoles i'd played or wanted to play from the n64/saturn/ps1 era and under all on one system

[brisk drum]

Wish I had the multi tap!

[eternal island]

i'd recently sold my real n64 and saturn while waiting for this, because i wanted to use different controllers and play on my hdtv sometimes with n64.. and for saturn, because i thought the console hardware was.. terrible

just horrible

loved the games, hated the system

same experience with psx to be honest... my memories with that console were plenty, and were great in regards to games. i hated the ps1 hardware though..

[chilly ember]

I ordered a japanese saturn last year but the vdp2 chip is messed up so alot of the graphics don't display. I got refunded for it and they let me keep it tho luckily

Saturn hardware seems very prone to failure so happy we have a saturn core can use instead

[stuck summit]

My childhood N64 has been freezing up in games lately. Unfortunate

[eternal island]

for me it was just.. battery failing, and then ram slot micro adjustments

drove me nuts

the n64 hardware though

loved it

[hollow rune]

Ours, as far as I've been told, has always had an issue where you need to try multiple times to power it on

My dad says it was always like that. He got it as a kid

[mild ether]

I always got the impression srg320 doesn't speak English well and didn't talk much because of that. Could be wrong.

Or at least not comfortably.

[eternal island]

i swear the last things to exist will be old n64 consoles and nokia phones. just u wait

[languid dune]

I've always hated that it requires a battery for saves, and replacing the battery deletes all your saves unless you do it while it's powered on. 😬

[hollow rune]

Not if my NES has anything to say about it.

[languid dune]

NES, SNES, and N64 consoles are immortal.

[mild ether]

NES is impressively indestructible.

[hollow rune]

I say that while I haven't powered it on in quite some time. Maybe need to give it a turn on the old RetroTINK mini

[mild ether]

I chucked those controllers at my TV and beat my brother with them more times than I can count and they still work fine.

Not to mention all the Cheetos and saliva that got blown into those carts.

[eternal island]

lol to this day, somewhere in storage, i have the "cursed" n64 controller. the controller that was unfortunate enough to be right beside my bed one day when i woke up sick

i tried to clean it.. but it was never the same, and i couldn't sell it in good faith

didn't wanna throw it out

[chilly ember]

Yea that sounds like a pain in the ass

[eternal island]

"guest controller"

👍

[languid dune]

I always have my guest controllers for each console. Indispensable!

[eternal island]

"why does the thumb stick seem a little.. crunchy on this controller"

[languid dune]

They'll be getting some use this week, as my niece will be visiting.

[fair stump]

"honey we have guests, bring out the fine china controllers"

[hearty python]

Cool

[mild ether]

What rom?

[hearty python]

Blues Brothers 2000

[chilly ember]

Guest n64 controller back in the day was always the one with stick drift

[mild ether]

Very interesting. What other RSP could it possibly be?

[vapid hawk]

this actually looks too fast? maybe thats whats wrong with the datacache heh

[orchid nimbus]

this one in pink

[hearty python]

Intro works. But I am on stable without database.

[chilly ember]

All database does is select the save type and correct cic right?

[mortal apex]

Yeah that might be the case. The scene where the dragonfly flies around Rare's logo also did seem to run too fast with datacache on. The intro was slower though.

[daring meteor]

What clock speed did you use?

(Relevent only if you compiled it yourself)

[native mesa]

Keep in mind framerates won't match real hardware because lack of AA and other filtering improves framerates as well

[mortal apex]

It's the version Robert uploaded. I did try to compile the core myself but I got a warning during compilation about timings requirements not met, so I didn't bother testing it.

[native mesa]

AA off significanly changes N64 performance actually. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nef6A2C3kI

[hearty python]

Runs 30-40 fps but looks interesting 😁

[daring meteor]

Wow

Than it's faster despite the slow clocks

[chilly ember]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/developer/links/#mister-development-resources need Quartus Lite 17.0.2 to build and errors go away. There's a link to download it here

[native mesa]

Is it possible to move the FPS status location? It's cut off by overscan on my TV

[vapid hawk]

harder than you'd think, this came up on psx core too

[raw oriole]

"change overscan to not overscan" seems ideal

[native mesa]

Eh messing with my TV geometry is a messy affair. I'd rather not touch it

I'll just HDMI out to my capture card if I need the info I guess

[mortal apex]

I'm also curious about that. I've been testing via hdmi for that reason, but I prefer playing on my crt.
Thanks a lot for the settings and modeline you posted the other day, it's much more pleasant than the current defaults 🙂

Someone mentionned toad's turnpike earlier today. It's not rock solid, it dipped around 20 fps at the starting line. Still, here's how it looked with datacache for the most part:

[native mesa]

No prob. I might add more modes. It's only gonna look good for the 320x240 games albeit that's most of them

[chilly ember]

Vigilante 8 increases resolution to something higher but i have no idea what, it doesn't work anyways

[native mesa]

Yeah I'll list out all the modes at some point and get a modeline for them

[chilly ember]

640x480 i guess

[native mesa]

480i then

[chilly ember]

Also 480x360 by default. 640x480 is the ultra resolution mode in vigilante 8

Needs a password to unlock

[orchid nimbus]

it probably does the same on real hardware

some people complained that while testing the PSX core the framerate dropped - I told them to turn of the FPS counter

[daring meteor]

He tests on 60MHz tho

[manic basin]

@wanton sun Would it be helpful to add our DE10 nano revisions to any bug reports? I am willing to take all of mine apart and document it if it will help you.

[twin barn]

marginal timing differences (assuming this is what it is) like this can be down to differences in heat on the chip while the core is running even, or slight differences in SI to the sdram if that is associated with it, or even small manufacturing differences that normally shouldn't matter. revisions might not even matter, but the difference in clock generator maybe could be related. either way, he'll probably come back with a core to test when he's ready

[lilac scroll]

Man o man that looks gorgeous. I’m so excited whenever Robert cracks the cache dilemma.

[little bane]

It happened to two of mine, changing the capacitors fixed it

[stuck summit]

I need to look into doing that

It happens the most in Rare games too, for some reason

maybe they just push the hardware too much

[little bane]

At first it really crashed with dk64, then after a while all games crashed

[stuck summit]

yeah, mine's on that state right now. It crashes a lot with DK64 and Conker's

[manic basin]

As a professional tester for 20+ years, more data is always better IMO. I'm just reaching out to see if it is interesting data to him.

[twin barn]

yup, wasn't saying it was wrong to suggest that, just adding some stuff on there since it's also possible that hardware version differences might be unrelated.

the neo geo core for instance just needed one bit of pipelining added to one register to solve the issues only some people had with it after some significant changes were added

it wasn't even failing timing in quartus, but it still showed up as a rare issue

[manic basin]

(Best 'weird situation' testing story ever for me.... we had a dial up customer in Chapel Hill NC who was getting routed to long distance no matter what local CO she selected from the MSN Explorer setup....so we had her dial into private servers and traced CX line noise to figure out she was routing through the wrong state....a tech had literally hooked her up to the wrong exchange on the multiplexer...it was wild...one person and probably 15 people spent 3 full days of Microsoft's money on it!)

[twin barn]

oof lol

back in the day you used to have to call tech support at an ISP because they had the routing screwed up and they used to be able to change your routing