Nintendo 64

[weary palm]

unless you keep a list of what security chip is used for what game and want to manually select said chip.

[mild ether]

Wasn't meaning to sound like I was complaining just wanted to mention what happened as feedback.

Kinda curious what the difference between the NUS CIC 6102 and the Aleck 64 5102 is. Very little information about it around.

[safe robin]

Vampiers Script worked well for the psx and the Saturn core. Let's not forget, that this is for testing, therefore you can not expect it to have 10 options for every need. It's made for people that know what to do if something breaks

[mild ether]

Apparently you can just slap proms from NTSC games into a Aleck cart with the 5102 CIC and they work so can't be too much different.

No complaints about his script was just testing it out. Can do everything it does by hand just fine personally.

[orchid nimbus]

thanks @safe robin 🙂 I just checked the script

        if wget -q -P $tmp2 $main; then
                echo "[Info] Latest Main MiSTer Core ($mainbase) File Downloaded"

                echo "[Action] Remove Old MiSTer Main backup file"
                rm $rootDir/unstable_MiSTer.old

                echo "[Action] Backing Up Current MiSter Core to unstable_MiSTer.old"
                mv $rootDir/MiSTer $rootDir/unstable_MiSTer.old

                echo "[Action] Putting New Mister Unstable Core into Place"
                cp $tmp2/$mainbase $rootDir/MiSTer

                reboot
        else

fixed the unstable_mister.old mistake I made

now reflects the correct name

this script has been used for over a year

nothing really changed except the corename and some paths

and I had to create some php file that shows the latest core I uploaded to the dir

<?php

$basedir='/LOL_yeah_sure/N64/Builds';

$files = scandir($basedir, SCANDIR_SORT_DESCENDING);
$newest_file = $files[0];
$md5=md5_file($basedir.'/'.$newest_file);
$size=filesize($basedir.'/'.$newest_file);

//echo($newest_file);

?>{
    "base_files_url": "",
    "db_files": [],
    "db_id": "vampier_FAQ_N64",
    "default_options": {},
    "files": {
        "_Unstable/<?php echo($newest_file);?>": {
            "hash": "<?php echo($md5);?>",
            "size": <?php echo($size);?>,
            "url": "https://vampier.net/N64/Builds/<?php echo($newest_file);?>"
        }
},
    "folders": {
        "_Unstable": {}
    },
    "timestamp": <?php echo(time());?>,
    "zips": {}
}

since I'm a lazy bastard when it comes to quick prototyping

https://vampier.net/N64/getlast.php

I bet this could be put straight into the 'repo' file that update_all uses

I looked at the script and found that this works as expected

with enough checkpoints in place to make sure it doesn't brick the mister with normal use

[mild ether]

How can I make it brick my MiSTer?

[orchid nimbus]

should not be able

if wget fails it doesn't continue but reverts to ```bash
echo "[Warning] Download Failed - Please Try Again Later"

could I have made a better script - sure - I could have checked the md5 hash against what was expected... but this isn't a nuclear reactor or a bank process. this is just to download and keep a copy of the latest MiSTer and rename it to unstable_mister.old because update_all.sh uses mister.old

this was a request I implemented back when this was requested for the PSX

to just keep things seperated

[mild ether]

Might have been update all that caused my issue then. Because it was mister.old and I did start it quick and close it before I thought it actually started.

Wanted to see if it was all scripts that weren't starting or not.

[snow mulch]

wonder if they will bring a 4 player snak adapter.
Not bringing peaple over now.
We decided online world is better idea.
Online multiplayer. pc gaming or emulator online.

[stuck summit]

The MK64 char select screen looks so good with Scanlines + Shadowmask + HDR 😍

[mild ether]

Whole generation will never know how much fun they missed at LAN parties. 😢

[orchid nimbus]

netbui FTW!!!

[void hemlock]

some places still do LAN parties. there was one in Munich a few years back with like 50 people. but it didn't feel quite the same. maybe because it's bigger than the LAN parties I was used to back in the day

[native mesa]

I rember when kids at school brought their Xboxes together and called them lan parties

[mild ether]

Probably because nobody had to hump around a 21" CRT monitor. it builds character.

[void hemlock]

umm, if they did it then, why wouldn't they do it now? lol

[mild ether]

16 player Halo was a pretty good time.

[native mesa]

I bet lol

[mild ether]

Was joking. Nobody uses CRT monitors anymore I was saying.

[mortal panther]

That's the only part of LAN parties I don't miss.

[void hemlock]

heh yeah. unless you have a retro section setup

[weary palm]

I've been to DreamHack several times

[mortal panther]

For years I brought a 17" Panasonic with me everywhere. Then when I got my 21" Mitsubishi, I couldn't wait to show it off. That was the first and last time I took it to a LAN party. Screw that. 😄

[nova grotto]

what is that accesory called ? And where can i buy it ?

[graceful radish]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/612453640665563137/1145520637083926539/IMG_1962.mov

[native mesa]

Neato bandito

[zinc dew]

It’s the SNAX adapter from MisterAddons - https://misteraddons.com/collections/parts/products/serial-native-accessory-converter-snac

And I’m using the N64 controller adapter, also from MisterAddons - https://misteraddons.com/collections/parts/products/hdmi-controller-adapters?variant=40250232832133

The SNAC enabled core is not publicly available yet, I’m just doing some limited testing for amazing people who are working hard alongside Robert to make this core incredible.

[hollow pebble]

Pls send me that green controller kthx

[dreamy ridge]

i remember sniping in 4 player blood gulch in college with halo 1, good days

[worldly quartz]

On some level, i kinda want to hollow out an n64 for those snax

Like what i did with a psx and psone but n64 is too big

[viscid nebula]

starfox 64 is now fully playable?

jfc you can stop development now

[lament escarp]

You don't want stable fps and ability to save?

[zinc dew]

@viscid nebula where is Star Fox 64 EX

[dreamy ridge]

is starfox playable? i thought i tested it in the new build this morning and i couldn't see the buildings even in the first level

[viscid nebula]

[viscid nebula]

mmmmm....pass

[zinc dew]

It’s your own fault for making Star Fox EX so good

[viscid nebula]

🤣

[viscid nebula]

its one hell of a hack to set the bar thats for sure

if only I can convince agg23 to finally do the pocket core I can cut it down to one branch as well, and just detect mister and hardware for the hardware limitations

[native mesa]

Didn't you leave or something? I love StarFox EX btw

[zinc dew]

I’ll be sure to demolish it with my Stunt Race FX EX hack

[viscid nebula]

I did, I'm back

and ty!

[devout leaf]

Thanks for the heads up

[viscid nebula]

new update just dropped on RHDN

1.07.1

[zinc dew]

My rom hacker name is willdowillu

[viscid nebula]

lmao

[zinc dew]

Ill have to workshop it

[native mesa]

How hard would it be to port Starfox SNES soundfont to N64 starfox?

[viscid nebula]

no idea, I havent done any n64 hacking myself

too many bits

[native mesa]

The music in the N64 one is so lame compared to it's predecessor

[viscid nebula]

music is always better when there's limitations imo

[lament escarp]

Anything sounds fine except for gba

[cold pollen]

If only we could get more gba games patched with the superior sound driver

[viscid nebula]

lets just all use the genesis music driver

best guitar music

[lament escarp]

Is there a list of the ones that have one?

[cold pollen]

I don't know if any have been actually released

I just saw one or two proof of concept videos

[native mesa]

I just think maybe Koji Kondo wasn't it for Star Fox

[viscid nebula]

yeah but Koji kando is

[marble cargo]

@viscid nebula Yo glad you're back!

[thick terrace]

hey all. Anything new or interesting going on?

[zinc dew]

maybe, are you subscribed to MiSTer+ ?

[thick terrace]

I bought a usb n64 type contoller on ebay. its probably crap but it was $15

[cold pollen]

It's definitely crap

[zinc dew]

But what if it isn’t?

[cold pollen]

But you can still enjoy crap

[hollow orbit]

And if my grandmother had wheels she’d be a wagon

[native mesa]

This guy did one in a DAW https://youtu.be/TzUM4co_tHM?feature=shared

[cold pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/amirlotan-it-will-take-a-miracle-think-it-will-work-princes-bride-miracle-max-gif-16800203

[viscid nebula]

thank you! 😄

[thick terrace]

The controllers on my N64 are crap too, lol

[viscid nebula]

anyone still have that patch I uploaded a while back with mario 64 with no face intro part?

[native mesa]

Lol

Pins

[zinc dew]

New patches, check here - https://vampier.net/N64/

[native mesa]

Watch out for the hyenas

[viscid nebula]

ahh thanks

[marble cargo]

I should try the widescreen hacks at some point.

[viscid nebula]

um I see europe, chinese, japan and lodgenet

wheres plain old usa

💀

[zinc dew]

At the bottom

Two categories

[viscid nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096015979055697940/1110293534810067014/sm64_no_face.ips

found it

[zinc dew]

Bottom of number two

[viscid nebula]

Super Mario 64 - Widescreen - No Face - US Version BPS

I dun want widescreen

tis ok

I got what I needed 😉

it worksssss

MARIO HAS NO FACE HELP

I'm calling nintendo

[native mesa]

It's the no face patch broski

[viscid nebula]

something is clearly wrong with myc art

[viscid nebula]

literally

[native mesa]

No buttons either but his pants remain on 🤔

[viscid nebula]

[modern sleet]

I dont want to release it and people start asking robert why it doesnt look right

There is an issue on analog right now where the hblank shifts every other line. Analog out is not on the priority list, so you'll have to wait 🙂

[zinc dew]

@modern sleet good thinking, thank you for being so considerate

[viscid nebula]

anyone find any mario 64 romhacks that work yet?

[zinc dew]

nope

[viscid nebula]

ooh Super Mario Star World (2011) by Skelux works

[zinc dew]

yeah that one

I was just testing you

[viscid nebula]

🤣

faceless mario judges you

[cerulean elk]

The Bomberman Hero mod for Super Mario 64 works. You load up the Bomberman Hero rom and you are playing Super Mario 64…except it’s Bomberman Hero and that’s better!

[hollow orbit]

Mario’s a shy guy now?

[viscid nebula]

lmfao

most of these romhacks couldnt resist making an RDP title screen face to mess with

ugh

[modern sleet]

For anyone running this in a CRT, using RGB/YPbPr. This artifact is due to the analog output module not being complete. It will get fixed later on when the core is much more mature.

[zinc dew]

it’s always the left field jokes that get me, I legit laughed out loud at that 😂

[viscid nebula]

there's 2 devs now? 👀

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-getting-out-of-hand-now-there-are-two-star-wars-viceroy-jedi-gif-11488909

[mortal panther]

I'm extremely excited. Can't you tell?

[cerulean elk]

I’m here every night. Don’t forget to tip your servers!

[viscid nebula]

Super Mario and the Grand Star working

2020 hack

its running smoother than vanilla

lmao

oh no it froze

;_;

cmon sm64 land....

noooo

sm64 ocarnia of time

nope

damn you rdp

or whatever it is

that hard thing

lol I love how these cheap ass n64 usb controllers have the clip in the back for a rumble pack but no connection

Mario's Little Odyssey (2018) by kaze emanuar works

oh wow its got hat mechanics

you guys gotta try this one

you can possess npcs

Don’t mind the shoes

game crashes if you lose all lives

doki doki mario 64 (2018) by kaze works (ish, crashes going into a door)

[mortal panther]

Super Katamario Damacy 64

[viscid nebula]

aw man

Guitar hero sm64 hack gives this after intro

Good crash handler

[zinc dew]

Ah, that makes sense. Line S6 explains it pretty well.

[viscid nebula]

I was thinking the same thing

[mortal panther]

Ah, yes, I see it now. Good eye.

[deft tree]

A1 says boob

[viscid nebula]

no way

mario odyssey 64 works

kinda

until it doesnt

[thick terrace]

are there any shooters on n64 that work ?

[viscid nebula]

Starfox kind of works

[orchid nimbus]

Look what I just made

[lament escarp]

This looks fun. So now we can find out what the error codes say?

[orchid nimbus]

yup

let me upload a temp decoder for you

[limber willow]

You said using RGB.
Does this mean I can use YPbPr for now?

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/errors.html

[modern sleet]

RGB/YPbPr should work

[limber willow]

Yeah I'm using RGB now and have the wavy lines like your Pic

Was wondering if they'd go away if I setup YPbPr instead

[modern sleet]

Nah, I've looked into it a bit, its just how the Hblank is driven in the core, the pixel clock and system clock dont line up when writing the hblank output so you see a shift

[limber willow]

Ah cool. I took the RGB too literally in your comment earlier

[orchid nimbus]

@lament escarp

easier to read

it's quick and dirty

[lament escarp]

So only the red lines are active?

[mild ether]

Super handy, thank you.

[lament escarp]

Just thought how can so much be wrong in sm64 😄

[orchid nimbus]

yup

only red lines are errored

type FFFF

for all red

[lament escarp]

Now I can find out why I'm not playing oot right now.

[orchid nimbus]

I can make the other lines light green if needed

easier on the eyes

[mortal apex]

Very nice! According to this post though, 1000 should be bit 12, but I get bit 0 : #1096015979055697940 message

[orchid nimbus]

did I make a mistake?

😄 let me check

[mortal apex]

i think the bit significance is reversed

[orchid nimbus]

eh something is wrong

you're right

one moment

[mild ether]

Still don't know what is on s6. 😂

[orchid nimbus]

lol

255 = 100100100100 ?

yeah I messed up

epic fail on my end

damnit

I confuse myself

hex not dec

[worldly quartz]

Is the save state reload broken?

Tried on patched us mario 64

[mild ether]

I don't believe save states were implemented yet

[mortal apex]

Reload works, but you have to use Robert's save states. The core can only reload, he made the save states with his emulator.

[orchid nimbus]

hey is the error code bigendian?

[mortal apex]

He explains it a bit more here : #1096015979055697940 message

Idk why my links dont seem to point to the correct messages 😅
Well... when I create them they dont. After a few minutes they're working as expected.

[orchid nimbus]

heh... my hex conversion gives the same for ff00 and 00ff

thats pretty darn stupid

[mortal apex]

I get the same answer for 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, etc. As if bit 0 was always the most significant, so it's like the labeling that's reversed.

[quasi storm]

Before you go dinosaur hunting, always remember to do your stretches. Tal'Set remembered...

[viscid nebula]

is it just me or is the analog stick way oversensitive on turok

[amber saffron]

I've found it to be oversensitive on everything

[viscid nebula]

oh ok

[quasi storm]

Well, in all fairness, most games compensated for the play in the N64s stick.

[viscid nebula]

lol imagine testing an n64 console as it was being built chip by chip

this really is so cool

[amber saffron]

I think there was something on https://vampier.net/N64/ about fixing analog sensitivity

i went the other way with it and just quickly adjusted my thumbs 😛

[orchid nimbus]

@mortal apex check again

fixed

I had a massive derp - been a long day

of course the bits need to be read in reverse 😄

and not from L to R

[mortal apex]

Yeah it got me confused too. I've seen Robert explain it to a few people already, your tool is going to make things easier for sure 🙂

[amber saffron]

@orchid nimbus thanks for your efforts btw, the webpage makes all this so much easier

Do you maintain these for other cores in test/beta as well?

[orchid nimbus]

they don't have error codes 😄

N64 is unique

[viscid nebula]

Does Robby Love N64?
I had no idea anyone read this page!

[orchid nimbus]

lol @viscid nebula

[hollow pebble]

Robby doesn’t even like games.

Exclusive exposé from me.

[viscid nebula]

blasphemy

[orchid nimbus]

I will merge with the main page now

[hollow pebble]

Why play games when you can just look at them?

[orchid nimbus]

so that it's all in the same page

[viscid nebula]

I heard he likes to play update_all

[hollow pebble]

Too fancy, just update

[frail jolt]

Who likes to play update_all. Its all I play, I usually beat it like once a month

[orchid nimbus]

and in main page

[languid dune]

If you own a MiSTer and aren't playing update_all, what are you even doing with your life!?

[lone geyser]

It was sort of explained, but basically the gate on the N64 controller restricted it to a bit over half its theoretical maximum, so games are calibrated to max out at about half tilt. It will have to be adjusted once the core is further along

[storm parrot]

are you using any extron box? mine is squashed, maybe I try my PVM

[dusty tusk]

Anyone got a hash of working Mario Kart?

Finally got update all to complete properly, ran the n64 update script, found a working bios. I'm ready to boogie and I'm hopeful my issue is purely non working game roms

[orchid nimbus]

Cecil on my FAQ you can click on a link that brings you to a link of an archive

it has all the .z64 files you want

[frail jolt]

@cerulean elk any word on porks reflex adapter?

Or anyone for that matter

I just put another $130 usd of stuff in my cart wanting to try it out lol

[dusty tusk]

Big endian?

[vapid ember]

Autoupdate 64 sayes to put scripts here /media/fat/Scripts , Mine is just /scripts for all others is there some reason it is written this specific

[dusty tusk]

Ahhh finally.

Alright, this is very important and usually I've found it doesn't matter, but my problem was I had my boot rom and txt file in the SD card despite running with a USB N64 folder

[viscid nebula]

ty for the info

[amber saffron]

ah yeah, I do the everything on SD card but games on USB setup as well

I had to modify the script a bit

question I have about the core, if I turn "save games on sd card" off, does it put them on USB, or nowhere?

[dusty tusk]

So I'd make a note in the faq to say put the files in the USB N64 location if you have one

[orchid nimbus]

nowhere

they stay in memory

[graceful radish]

It's good

But only 1 left in stock

[dusty tusk]

Put everything into usb0 folder again, keeps working. I'm so happy guys. Thanks for putting up with my nonsense

[dusty tusk]

Don't worry everybody. Sesame Street Elmo's Letter Adventure works just fine

[manic basin]

Got mine on the drive to Boise! Thank goodness for email alerts!

[graceful radish]

I have 2/3 of the orders shipped. With a few units going to friends and developers 🙂

[dusty tusk]

Megaman 64 works surpsingly well, despite a little slowdown and pink textures

[rapid prairie]

Dang reflex adapt is already sold out!

[manic basin]

They said it was fast!

[rapid prairie]

I just signed up to be notified for the next batch. Really want one for n64

[zenith orchid]

anyone testing homebrew with the latest build?

[weary beacon]

Hi, I have installed the N64 core using the script and added the PIF bios & roms. Everything seems to work fine, except the left analog stick of my DualShock 4 v2, it does nothing in games. I defined N64 buttons but the analog stick should be mapped by default... Have I missed something?

[trim seal]

Remap your controller in the Mister main configuration, then remap it in the n64 core. Seems to clear those issues up.

[quartz frigate]

Just tested latest core,man,this is insane,nice job robert.

[weary palm]

@orchid nimbus does yours noface patches fix crashes on game over and "save and quit"?

[dusty tusk]

But how long until dancing frogs?

[weary beacon]

Thank you, unfortunately I did it a couple of times and the left analog stick still not working 🙁

[weary palm]

I love this channel

[weary palm]

The gate is kind of in between a square and a regular octagon, so the stick gets more tilted in the diagonals that the cardinals. 🙂

[lament escarp]

The range is also way off, n64 is +-82ish, all other controllers +-127ish.

[weary palm]

The diagonals are like +-94, if you use the Pythagorean theorem.

Kind of strange, and hard to simulate with a "regular" analog stick.

[daring meteor]

Its 58 if you use the 82 max and Pythagorean theorem

Octagonal gates are funny

Wait no I am stupid

[weary palm]

√(2 × 68²) = 96ish

[daring meteor]

Hmmmmm

[trim seal]

Dang. Sorry.

[weary palm]

So a good "middle ground" would be adjust the range from +-127 to perhaps +-90.

[lament escarp]

@lone geyser has already done a ton of math on it.

[weary palm]

Doesn't stop me. 😉

[daring meteor]

The fact this isn't a regular Octagon tricked me

[weary palm]

Just saying 82/84 is to low if you want to reach those diagonals.

[daring meteor]

I stood at this just watching why is this not adding up before realizing this isn't a regular octogon lmao

[lament escarp]

Appearently it's something that would need to be implemented in main.

[daring meteor]

Probably easier

[weary palm]

You could achieve a simple 0.75 scaling (128->96) with some simple bitshifting and subtraction. This could be done in the core.

[daring meteor]

Yeah but its better to do it

In main

[weary palm]

Probably, but as a quick+dirty fix. 😉

[lament escarp]

Robert will probably implement the cpu chache at the same time. 😉 but I would appreciate it as my controller also has the range problems. But you would need to make it toggleable, as the nso n64 controller has native range.

[weary palm]

To have it configurable would be nice.

Not all controllers are made the same.

[lament escarp]

Afaik all modern controller's use the 127 range. I think a whole calibration utility would be nice, but a toogle would probably suffice

Same controller, but simple64 has a toggle for the range.

[weary palm]

yikes

[lament escarp]

I like how it goes so far left it goes right.

[weary palm]

Simple64 uses a max radius of 95

[lament escarp]

It's open source, right? So it's not stealing if we steal it, right?

[quasi storm]

You're a poet and you didn't even know it.

[weary palm]

It scales the radius to 95.0 and then clamps the x/y to +-85. Yes, it's open source.

And it also have a small deadzone of 5.

[daring meteor]

If you take code you technically have to consider licenses but its all gplv3

[bronze tree]

alternatively we can easily code something ourselves 🙂

[bronze tree]

do you know why they don't scale to 85 before clamping?

[weary palm]

Because the diagonals have a radius greater than 85

[bronze tree]

oh, it's not a regular octagon?

[weary palm]

Nope 🙂

[lament escarp]

You think a toggle would be easier/better in main or in core?

[bronze tree]

well, I think the core needs to be extended to provide the toggle, but we can read it from main

similar to how the cartridge properties under "system" are done

[quasi storm]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx7pZNigXA-5fwQXFLkGa3ZoipyAgnHhhM?si=IxWgLDVSWThMEIaJ

[lament escarp]

I know it's not that important right now, but I still hope we get it soon.

[hollow pebble]

This is the NSO controller on a real N64 using BlueRetro.

[weary palm]

Wow, that looks perfect

[daring meteor]

Yeah, what I thought was to try and add two more analog lines (Like how is done on PSX possibly) and clamp them in main

Well scale, not clamp

[hollow pebble]

Yeah, it’s really good.

[odd crystal]

Wait for real? I'm about to have a use for my NSO controller 😻

[daring meteor]

Did you expect the NSO controller to not be good for the core?

[odd crystal]

Tbf I bought it not for Switch but potential of future use case

[daring meteor]

Or is it you learning the core exists?

[odd crystal]

I knew both

The gate picture locks in how compatible i tlooks

My NSO controller has gone unused since my subscription ran out

But I heard it works with mister on one of the yt videos for the core this week

N64 is not on main yet right?

[hollow pebble]

Nope, just in testing

[compact depot]

NSO is probably full range (as required by the Nintendo Switch). Blueretro is doing the required math here.

[hollow pebble]

Robert’s going ham on updates though.

[odd crystal]

Thread started in April..

I would not be surprised if it ends up on main before end of year

Yea the yt videos are borderline spam for this core

But Im happily watching progress

Spam being more a testament to Robert's work ethic

Idk what I will play on it first.. Maybe go through Paper Mario finally

[hollow pebble]

More than likely, yeah.

[limber willow]

I did the 8bitdo pcb mod for my N64 controller and it works great with the core.

Is the NSO controller similar to the original the way it feels, etc?

[odd crystal]

I feel like I played a lot of the library over time or have the games on other editions. Like 3DS versions of the Zelda games. Is there anything ppl are looking forward to worth checking out?

Or good imports

[hollow pebble]

It works on the same stick hardware as the original controller

[odd crystal]

I just always end up playing Wave Race 64 or Conker or Banjo

[hollow pebble]

With all the downsides that comes with.

[odd crystal]

Or Mario 64/kart

[limber willow]

Cool, was hoping as much

[odd crystal]

NSO one does? I thought some vids reviewing it saw that it has a more restricted gate

[limber willow]

Yeah, not a fan of the original stick, even new.
I bought the 8bitdo chode-like one and modded most of my original controllers with it

[odd crystal]

Like less nuance bc of it. Mario 64 didnt have as fine or granular movement on Switch compared to og

[hollow pebble]

Sorry I mean it works the same way as an original one, not that it’s exactly the same.

[odd crystal]

Oh ok ic, ty

[bronze tree]

maybe a crazy idea, but for prototyping different ways of map the controller inputs we could create some file that maps each 256x256 x/y position to another x/y position. Would take up 128KB but would be super flexible and we can try out many different mappings until we are happy.

no formulas required in the main code, just in the program to generate the mappings

then it should be easy to play around with shapes, scaling, clamping and dead zones without having to recompile the binary

[compact depot]

That would need to be per-core, as what the N64 core expects would probably not make sense to other cores

[lament escarp]

Well, only the n64 core expects such weird ranges.

[bronze tree]

yes, for sure this is n64 specific

[compact depot]

A setting in the core would be enough

[bronze tree]

@compact depot I get that, but I think it's not easy to come up with something first try that makes everyone happy

could be fun to prototype together

[lament escarp]

And robert needs all the alm he can get for analog out, transfer pack and savestates. So it would be best to do as much as possible in main rather than the core.

[bronze tree]

anyway, I can just make a test (tonight, I'm still working)

[lament escarp]

Much appreciated!

[compact depot]

Yep! Something from main side would do it!

[snow mulch]

wow.
Mario 64 plays pretty good. Still some work.
Hopeing for something more complete for the newyear.
Updates seem come every week for most of the cores.
Good stuff.

[bronze tree]

I wouldn't say the speed of the progress here is the same for "most cores" 🙂

[native mesa]

I think Robert is just as excited for the progress so it's a lot of fun for him. This is the point where he can see the fruits of his labor

[weary palm]

You only need 1/8 of the 256×256 array to recreate the whole thing with rotation and mirroring.

[bronze tree]

yes, true

but would require more logic, maybe I just keep it simple and make a python test program to generate a map that anyone can play around with

[vapid hawk]

didn't someone do all the math for this the other day

[desert crow]

if the diagonals went to 96 wouldn't the red octogon look different? looking at the pic where cardinal directions are around 85.

[bronze tree]

yep, for one option

[vapid hawk]

the diagonals go to 69

according to ares anyway

[lament escarp]

Nice

[desert crow]

i could have swore I just read 96 maybe dyslexia

[lament escarp]

96 would also make more sense if the cardinals go up to 85. But I'm just glad some smart people taking care of business now.

[bronze tree]

sqrt(69^2+69^2) = 97.6, maybe the radius is clamped to 96

[hasty kayak]

Wow WipEout 64 is fully playable!! 30FPS too!

[daring meteor]

I don't really get why its a sqrt like that

[remote hatch]

and looks great 🙂

[hasty kayak]

Its amazing! I love this Core!

I also love the MiSTer AND Robert's work.

[bronze tree]

pythagoras (x^2 + y^2 = r^2), or is that not what you mean?

[native mesa]

What's the input lag like on the NSO controllers

[hearty oar]

unless it's different to all the other Switch controllers, I would assume not so great

[native mesa]

Dang nintendo what is you doin

[pallid falcon]

Bluetooth only sadly, so that adds a bit more latency.

On the MiSTer

[marble cargo]

Nintendo 64 NSO controller seems fine. Can do everything in games like normal.

I've noticed setting up the buttons is oddly fickle, as the buttons are really sensitive. But once in a game, it behaves like a normal controller.

[pallid falcon]

I used MARI0's config file didn't set it up in the MiSTer menu and it works fne. Have to pair it after every MiSTer reset, but that doesn't take long to do

[bronze tree]

would it make sense to have a non-linear rotation at the outer circle for regular controllers so that when the angles get close to the 8 corners of the octagon, they snap to the points?

I don't know how to explain it well..

[marble cargo]

Nintendo 64 is one of those cases where latency is often going to be sluggish regardless, as the low framerates Nintendo 64 games often have will eat into inputs.

[vapid hawk]

yeah your "same frame %" goes way up when the framerate is 8 and not 60

[vapid hawk]

that actually might be quite neat to experiment with

trying to do in software what the shape of the n64 stick well does

[bronze tree]

yes, maybe in some games it's beneficial to keep the controller at exactly 45 degrees and difficult to do with regular controller

[vapid hawk]

make it really subtle and use the dualsense haptics to sell it 😛

[bronze tree]

🙂

[vapid hawk]

the most common one is wanting to just walk straight forward probably

[bronze tree]

a kind of angular dead zone

[hearty oar]

this sort of thing honestly sounds a lot like the sort of mods that smash players do to their GameCube controllers to hit the perfect angles 😆

[lament escarp]

Maybe as a separate toggle. Could be nice for smash, for other games maybe not so much.

[vapid hawk]

i'm imagining it would only apply when you have the (real) stick tilted to max, and it would only apply like, maybe 5-10 degrees either side of the cardinal

kind of like auto-aim for the cardinal points

[bronze tree]

yes

[hearty oar]

would definitely appreciate something that limited the sensitivity to real n64 levels, especially when using a gamecube style stick, which is close, and has vaguely the right shaped gate, but is a bit too sensitive

[desert crow]

The case where I think you have to be careful with is something like the Mayflash n64 adapter. You use an old controller with that that goes to +/- 85 but that gets scaled to +/-127. Then if you clamp that to say 90 depending on how mayflash scales, the stick might max out at what would have been around 60.

ballpark numbers

[vapid hawk]

i like markuns idea of this being a file now actually, similar to controller mapping files

then we can have custom ones for like, special case pads

[safe robin]

would that mean we could have an extra file per game? if yes that would be geat for every mister core not just this one.

[cerulean elk]

I didnt pick it up

looks fun, didnt have a use case right now

he did get an order from me yesterday for some spare bits though lol

[native mesa]

Like the 4 player N64 prototype?

Does SNAX require a new IO board?

I'm not sure what revision I have but I was looking at the Jammix IO board

[desert crow]

snax just requires the blue "user port" that's on io boards, jammix probably has one. the oldest io boards require a mod to fully work. but that won't affect n64 snac, it that happens.

[native mesa]

I thought Snax used the HDMI output

[desert crow]

between controller and snax is hdmi, but snax connects to mister with usb3

[pallid falcon]

I've got a SNAX that lets me use Jogcon, NeGcon, etc on the PS core. Different seller though.

[zinc dew]

#controllers message

[native mesa]

I think I'll just keep doing the 8bitdo mods. I don't like the idea of dongle city

[cerulean elk]

oh no Robby is here. Cheese it

[native mesa]

Oy yo got a loicense for that conversation?!

[desert crow]

The Reflex is usb and can give the raw values from n64 controllers, doubt you'll want to mess with that with the descaling or clamping. also NSO.

I don't want people to get worried about ranges, I'm sure will figure out something when we have to.

[hollow rune]

NOt gonna lie, I have this going in the background while I do other things, I am super overwhelmed by what I gotta do to have a nice experience with analog control on the n64 core. I know my 8BitDo Lite 2 went to far on that controller test rom, wrapped around to other sides of the screen on the top and left. I am not sure what i am supposed to do to get more manageable sensitivity. Do the other 8bitdo dongles allow me to adjust this? don't really want to get into the rat race for an NSO controller. SNAC really feels like the best way to go. I know that the adapters aren't widely available. Has anyone used them?

[frail jolt]

Want to throw me one as a "congrats on the new baby"????

I am completely kidding, that's the actual reason I didn't pull the trigger tho...maybe in a few months

[cerulean elk]

oh hey congrats!

[frail jolt]

Not here yet

[cerulean elk]

well...future congrats!

[lament escarp]

Nah, it won't be complicated when it's done. The smart people will figure it out.

[frail jolt]

But.. . The doc said my wife dropped.... sooo.. days maybe hours

No longer months or weeks..

[frail jolt]

Thank you good sir

[cerulean elk]

better bring your MiSTer to the hospital then!

"sorry honey one second. Robert dropped a new N64 core" (crying in background of new baby)

[frail jolt]

Should update my analog pocket for that actually

[hollow rune]

Thank you. I was steps away from making a Pepe Silvia string board.

[lament escarp]

I also only get half the technical talk, but in the end it'll be an unstable main and some fancy file and we'll just do the controllertest and see how our controller's work out.

[native zephyr]

if you don't mind wired then the Raphnet N64 USB adapter works great

[mild ether]

I still really like the Bliss Box but it's pretty disappointing they apparently stopped making the 4 player puck.

Nice to be able to use original controllers on MiSTer and emulation on PC with the same device.

[cerulean elk]

Not the worst idea. Probably a lot of waiting

[zenith orchid]

all this talk about the analog stick is fascinating. It explains why MK64 feels so sensitive compared to the real thing. I hope an elegant solution works quite well. It would make sense if it were a core specific solution

I wouldn't want that limitation on any other core

[orchid mortar]

Brought mine a few months ago to the hospital never found time lol congrats

[worn delta]

I ran through the 35 Prototypes in the htgdb pack, a few in there playable with issues. We may have one working flawlessly Tamiya Racing 64 (USA) (Proto).z64, a simple racing game demo. Needs a deeper dive but didn't see any issue at all and no error code. Anyhow, results all on the sheet for anyone curious.

[sly wasp]

omg please no guy has 57 issues on old cores he's started and forgotten about + 18 issues on the backlog and he's still keeps starting new cores! ffs

[frail jolt]

Thwrs my fear... I had like 20 minutes last time...

I watched an episode of weird science the tv show

[zenith orchid]

that's his business model though 😂

[frail jolt]

Also congrats on the new kiddo!!!

[zenith orchid]

that's why I never supported him in patreon, it's shady af

[orchid mortar]

Thanks happy to know she'll have a N64 core when she's ready

[frail jolt]

Thars what I'm saying!!!!!

[zenith orchid]

I'm kinda low key hoping there'll be a texture filter in the core soon, just so it feels a little more right.

[snow mulch]

hope to see llpa, snak support better implemented.
Had troubles the other day with the blister. I just had the ps2 controller on becasue i had to leave for something. was playing psx core.
The kart in mario kart wouldn't move wile playing. But it let me pick the menu's fine. Made no sence to me.
Will try the n64 adapter for sure.

[drowsy lantern]

I kind of like the clean look of unfiltered, but yeah some of those pixels are absolutely ungodly. You can tell the devs relied on the filtering being there when applying textures for large surfaces.

[zenith orchid]

yeah the roads on MK64 really need it

[zinc dew]

The PlayStation 64

[zenith orchid]

oh yeah, I definitely enjoyed the texture filter options in the PSX core

makes Wipeout feel a little more like Wipeout64

[orchid nimbus]

if you have updated patches please let me know

[hasty kayak]

I have ordered an 8bitdo N64 Mod Kit

[zinc dew]

how are those

If anyone has them

[vagrant ivy]

Mine was supposed to ship 20th August, Now 20th sept 😦

[hasty kayak]

I will however keep the original N64 Stick as I have seen that the newer GameCube style one that comes in the kit doesn't work the same way.

[odd vector]

My experience with 2 different Gamecube Style sticks: They tend to drift relatively fast..

[native mesa]

Same for Sept 20

[vagrant ivy]

New sticks are Hall effect and better

[worn delta]

Oh, something I forgot to mention. I think I found two roms that won't let you run them on the NTSC pif (boot.rom):
40 Winks (Europe) (En,Es,It) (Proto) (1999-10-07).z64
Sydney 2000 (Europe) (Proto).z64

I haven't tried with a PAL boot.rom, but if someone wants to investigate I finally found 2 that give this message. The US versions of these prototypes do let you load (further) though. 🙂

[odd vector]

Do you have a link? Are they compatible with original n64 controller?

[vagrant ivy]

The kit comes with them

You pay extra for a Hall effect replacement

[native mesa]

Yeah there are a couple youtube videos with comparisons

[hollow pebble]

@zinc dew

Pls confirm.

[odd vector]

as long as it doesn't drift..

[native mesa]

Who is Robby?

[hollow pebble]

Also confirm your fave game is update_all

[vagrant ivy]

Hall effect has no gears in it

its all magnetic

so should never drift

[zinc dew]

Favorite game is update_all followed by my second favorite game “make mgl files”

[hollow pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/magnets-yeah-bitch-breaking-bad-jessie-pinkman-gif-11944130

[hasty kayak]

Do they have the same Motion as the N64 sticks? Has anyone controller tested these with a test ROM? I am sure I saw somewhere the Motion Pattern isn't the same

[vagrant ivy]

I dont know I havent got mine to test

[odd vector]

then I will try to come by one of those Hall Effect Joysticks.. Those chinese ones are horrendous

[worn delta]

You should try MEMTEST, it's ace

[zinc dew]

I had to remove it, it’s too addicting

[hasty kayak]

I know that my RetroBit N64 pad has one of these GameCube style sticks and it doesn't reach the same extents on the Controller test screen as the Original Pad I have got does.

[hollow pebble]

Way too fancy for a connoisseur like @zinc dew

[native mesa]

This is the best comparison vid i've found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGLBmfL34Gg

[hollow pebble]

33mins? Lord, tl;dr?

[hasty kayak]

At least with the kit I have the choice to keep my original N64 Joystick which is in decent working order on the Pad that this will be installed into.

[native mesa]

TLDR he doesn't like the hall effect stick because it's too sensitive

[hollow pebble]

Fair

[hasty kayak]

Yep that settles it, I will stick to an OG Joystick for now.

[native mesa]

Mister core may have sensitivity options down the road though

[hasty kayak]

Unless someone comes up with a way to make the HE Joystick less sensitive and more comparable to the original.

[limber willow]

I prefer the hall stick on that 8bitdo mod

Kept my 10/10 original in case I change my mind

[odd vector]

I don't understand why there is no quality replacement for the original joystick

[hollow pebble]

Money

[native mesa]

Because it's a shitty design

[hasty kayak]

Yep keep the original stick and pattern (No GameCube ridges on it) and make it HE but dial in the sensitivity to match the OG. If you could do that 😉 brilliant

[orchid nimbus]

the retrobit d-pad isn't great but it's ok - so that makes it a decent stick

[limber willow]

But other then muscle memory in MK64, I'm finding the 8bitdo much nicer to control in banjo

Personal preference imo

[drowsy lantern]

Quick q: Does the core take zipped roms or must they be uncompressed?

[hasty kayak]

I don't like the GameCube Ridges around the Stick compared to the N64.

[safe robin]

can be zipped

[hollow pebble]

If you aren’t literally causing harm to the palms of your hands by playing Mario Party is it even worth using any other stick?

[lone geyser]

I got you fam. Already made a version that scales proportionally
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[safe robin]

My N64 Roms are in one big ZIP and 0 problems so far. It has the benefits of not being a CD based core 😄

[hasty kayak]

I like Luke's idea

[zinc dew]

That sealed the deal for me

[orchid nimbus]

where can I find this program?

[hollow pebble]

yikes

[hasty kayak]

8BitDo stick isn't so good then.

[zinc dew]

#1096015979055697940 message

[zinc dew]

I mean I do agree with him, the real test is in-games.

[lone geyser]

I like the slightly modernized one
https://github.com/wermipls/mimi/

[hasty kayak]

I will try it both ways, with my OG Joystick still fitted and then with the New One provided in the Kit to see which I prefer.

[hollow pebble]

Oh neat, I’ll check that out thanks!

[zinc dew]

Yeah I want to use them but they don’t launch.

[lone geyser]

Aw dang

[zinc dew]

Only reason why I link to the original is because of the save state Robert provided that let’s you load it.

[lone geyser]

Too graphically advanced 😎

[zinc dew]

I mean I’m with you!

[hollow pebble]

It does say it has improved graphics! 😂

[zenith orchid]

it seems like n64 nso controllers are the way to go, but how's the input lag?

[hollow pebble]

I think it’ll be comparable with the other NSO controllers

Which I think is about one frame?

[zenith orchid]

yikes.. 16ms?

[orchid nimbus]

they don't work on the core 😦 @zinc dew @lone geyser

[hollow pebble]

If that’s yikes to you, then sure.

[lone geyser]

Robby's does with a savestates I think?

[zinc dew]

The new ones don’t, the one I linked you does with the save state

Yes that’s how I tested my controllers

[zenith orchid]

yeah I'll pass then

[lament escarp]

Controllertest.z64 works with the safestate robert provided

[orchid nimbus]

I have no savestate 😄

[zinc dew]

It’s in the link I sent you

[lone geyser]

Can we make savestates or are they in a format only used by Robert's emulator?

[zinc dew]

#1096015979055697940 message

[zinc dew]

N64 isn’t possible

this is a theoretical discussion

We are role playing enjoying an N64 core on the MiSTer

[odd vector]

Upcoming: Dreamcast

[hollow pebble]

I’ve actually beat every N64 game on MiSTer already.

[lament escarp]

This is true. How else could robby become a mod?

[vagrant ivy]

I did too, The benefits of Tier 99 Patreon and access to the completed core

[hollow pebble]

I’m actually playing in 4K on MiSTwo

[vagrant ivy]

I am playing Roberts Dreamcast core too its very good

wonder when he will announce it to the < Tier 99

[hollow pebble]

The public will get the DC core when L99 Patrons get the GameCube core.

[vagrant ivy]

I guess thats fair

[mild ether]

This is a really good version of the core. First time I ever really sat down and played a game on it without thinking of it as just a test. Wish I would have had more time to play last weekend.

Dr Mario feels just like it should.

[compact depot]

Is Dr. Mario playable already? 😱

[daring meteor]

Dr Mario is more than Playable

Same goes for Taisen Puzzle Dama

[plush summit]

Yeah, after trying out the core even during its initial stages, the feel is pretty unmatched, its a clear distinction that its on MiSTer 😎

[hollow rune]

Definitely. There are few games that run full speed. Not all of them are fun

[cerulean elk]

I rolled a d20 in charisma

[hollow pebble]

But you rolled a 1?

🤭

[cerulean elk]

Nat 20 obs

[hollow pebble]

Obvs

[mild ether]

Not perfect graphics but totally playable without problems.

[hollow rune]

if I knew more about Mortal Kombat 4 and could play the whole thing i think you could list it as working

[worn delta]

OK, so curiosity got the better of me with these. I made a N64 PAL Testing folder and put both games in with the PAL pif renamed boot.rom (note: I still had my NTSC boot.rom one level up in the N64 folder) and both games still displayed the same wrong region message.

I then swapped out the NTSC boot.rom for the PAL one in the N64 folder and tried again, and both games loaded fine. So can confirm there are games that require a PAL pif/boot.rom. Also, core is taking the BIOS from the top folder, not the one a folder down. Is this how it works on other cores?

[topaz otter]

it doesn't fit, robert uses pocket universe technology

the de-10 is bigger on the inside

[mild ether]

I thought the only place the core would load the PIF is from N64 folder but would be nice if it did load the PIF that was in the folder that the rom was in as an option. So you could have a PAL folder.

[worn delta]

I am trying to remember what the logic is in other cores

[daring meteor]

Iirc he wanted to make a setting

[vagrant ivy]

Gosh I wonder why an active development core isnt doing the same as other cores

[mild ether]

I had no idea that was a thing in other cores.

[worn delta]

Well we haven't confirmed it is yet, this is why I am asking

I thought logic on other cores was to take it from the folder level closed to the rom, but I may be wrong

[hollow pebble]

There is defo another core that has region folders for seperate bios and games

Is it SEGA CD?

🤔

[zinc dew]

I blame @vagrant ivy

[daring meteor]

Iirc, he wanted to make a toggle

[vagrant ivy]

Yes I sabotaged the core Its all me

[daring meteor]

IMO it makes most sense to make a toggle

[vagrant ivy]

I also crashed the UK Air Traffic Control

[hollow pebble]

@worn delta https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MegaCD_MiSTer

support BIOS per game. Place cd_bios.rom in game's folder.```

[mild ether]

Yes a toggle between the 4 PIFs would be the way.

[daring meteor]

3

[vagrant ivy]

Its hardly a priority

the core is being worked on

[mild ether]

4

[worn delta]

A toggle would be good. Glad I tested though, so we know when testing how the logic is working - and for my own sanity confirmed I did see games that gave a wrong region screen a few weeks ago, and found them again.

[vagrant ivy]

and people are arguing about what colour is should be painted

[cerulean elk]

No that was in acquisition impulse control

[daring meteor]

The Aleck64 pif is a padded NTSC pif

[mild ether]

PAL 60 PAL 50 NTSC 60 and Aleck 64

[daring meteor]

Since people have had success with it there's no reason to keep it seperate from the NTSC pif

[worn delta]

NTSC, PAL and Brazil are the three - I don't think we need Aleck64 unless the core gets support for raw dumps. The ones we have in htgdb are converted to run on an NTSC 64 I am pretty sure

[daring meteor]

The Aleck64 PIF is just a regular NTSC pif padded

[mild ether]

It's the easiest PIF to find at least.

[worn delta]

The Brazil one is an odd one though, as it may not be the best for Brazil games, I think someone will need to do a technical deep dive on this one. It was only recently dumped, so not sure if anyone in the wider community has

[vagrant ivy]

You havent mentioned why you want Aleck64 for at least an hour !

[daring meteor]

Yeah, its easier to find than the NTSC one, since No intro half hides it

[worn delta]

Once the core is further along all the BIOS files needed will be in the BIOS DB that is part of update all, like all the other cores needing a BIOS, so pif hunting won't be an issue. But they are a lot easier to find now than they were a few weeks ago anyways

[mild ether]

Kinda curious if the Brazil pif will load the Pal roms that give the region lock message.

[daring meteor]

Hmmm

I think we might wanna do the PIF switching through Main

[mild ether]

Since it's 60hz

Probably just works like the NTSC PIF instead.

[daring meteor]

I could try it

[mild ether]

To have rare arcade games in my cabinet. Who wouldn't want that?

[vagrant ivy]

I thought you only had interest in 1 game

[mild ether]

That's the meme game imo.

[worn delta]

How are the BIOS files set up on PSX core again? Is it boot0.rom/boot1.rom/boot2.rom etc for the different regions, them you select from the OSD?

Or is there some clever auto switching?

[orchid nimbus]

3 bios files

[zinc dew]

You don’t select from OSD, it’s auto

But yeah you name them that way for each region

[orchid nimbus]

you can also drop a bios in a folder

the bios closest to the CD image gets used

[worn delta]

Right, got you.

How does the core tell what BIOS to use i.e. how does it know a PAL game needs a PAL BIOS and a Japanese game needs a JP one?

[orchid nimbus]

it looks at the embeded product code

[mild ether]

40 winks proto with Brazil PIF

[worn delta]

Right, got you. I wonder if the .txt file will be the best way to set the BIOS then

[orchid nimbus]

SCES = Published by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (with one or two exceptions it seems)
SCED = SCEE published demos
SLES = Third/second party published games
SLED = Third/second party published demos
PBPX = In some pack-in demos

[vagrant ivy]

in the rom Header is

Addresses 0x3B, 0x3C, 0x3D, and 0x3E constitute a 4-byte string that defines the "game code" field. The developer of the game does not choose this setting; the game code must be requested and approved by Nintendo's product administration. The fourth character of the "game code" field, the "destination code", is stored in address 0x3E. This program/language symbol is not 100% of the time the same territory indicator specified by GoodN64. Its known values that may have been assigned to the release are as follows.

65 0x41 'A' (not documented, generic NTSC?)
66 0x42 'B' "Brazilian"
67 0x43 'C' "Chinese"
68 0x44 'D' "German"
69 0x45 'E' "North America"
70 0x46 'F' "French"
71 0x47 'G': Gateway 64 (NTSC)
72 0x48 'H' "Dutch"
73 0x49 'I' "Italian"
74 0x4A 'J' "Japanese"
75 0x4B 'K' "Korean"
76 0x4C 'L': Gateway 64 (PAL)
78 0x4E 'N' "Canadian"
80 0x50 'P' "European (basic spec.)"
83 0x53 'S' "Spanish"
85 0x55 'U' "Australian"
87 0x57 'W' "Scandinavian"
88 0x58 'X' "Others"
89 0x59 'Y' "Others"
90 0x5A 'Z' "Others"

[marble cargo]

I thought Nintendo 64 games only used the physical cartridge to "region lock" games, like the SNES.

[orchid nimbus]

the text file contains more

[mild ether]

PAL games don't work with NTSC but USA and Japan was just a physical difference.

[worn delta]

There are tabs on the US and JP carts that stop you inserting them in, but change the cart slot to accept anything then you can play JP on a US console and vice versa fine. However you can't run PAL on an NTSC console and vice versa this way

There was a recent mod you can do that lets you run anything on a console but I don't know the ins and outs of it and it only launched a few months back

[mild ether]

Yep, it appears the Brazil PIF just works like the NTSC PIF. Earthworm Jim with the region check only the US version works with it.

[worn delta]

Interesting, I wonder what exactly the difference is between it and NTSC one then and if it is even going to be relevant to the core

[mild ether]

I think we are just going to need either the NTSC or PAL 50.

[worn delta]

Very probably, I tested the Brazil games awhile back with NTSC and logged it, I can't remember off hand but I think they all booted. Could maybe use a retest though to be sure

Actually, there are 3 marked as Brazil and none booted when I last checked

[mild ether]

I will keep the Brazil PIF while I am testing the core from now on and see if I run into any differences in compatibility.

[worn delta]

If anyone is wanting to test and at MiSTer could be good to fire those three up

[cold pollen]

Living that lag life

[strong gorge]

Do a diff in a hex editor?

[slate sundial]

be honest, how many times per day do you guys check discord test builds for a new Christmas present?

I'm at around 5

[orchid nimbus]

for those who didn't see it yet - the FAQ now contains an error decoder:

[mild ether]

3 during the week and every time I pick up my phone on the weekends.

[hot spoke]

Around 5 seems to be correct

[worn delta]

It's more wondering why it exists and what it does, I saw someone mention it may be to do with video settings out as Brazil had a mixture of PAL and NTSC formats/support in the country and wasn't just NTSC or just PAL.

[mild ether]

PAL 60 is the same resolution as NTSC just different color encoding.

[cerulean elk]

Impressive stuff

[worn delta]

OK, so all 3 Brazil roms give a 0005 error and fail to boot

[thorn flax]

there's some difference between pal60 and pal-m no?

[worn delta]

-with the NTSC bios

[thorn flax]

does it require a Brazil bios

iirc there was some discussion of it not yet being dumped

[worn delta]

E0005 =
Memory access to unmapped area
CPU stall timeout

-Brazil pif/bios is dumped

you can easily find it in the no intro set now

[mild ether]

As far as I know it's just the encoding of the color. PAL 50 is a different resolution than PAL 60 and NTSC.

[thorn flax]

based

[worn delta]

OK, just to be sure will try these 3 games now but with the Brazil BIOS

[thorn flax]

fingers crossed

[orchid nimbus]

had to go back to my webdev roots a bit - quick and dirty

[cerulean elk]

If it works it works

[worn delta]

All 3 Brazil games fail to boot the same way with an E0005 error with the NTSC boot rom and the Brazil one

[mild ether]

It's a super handy tool.

[orchid nimbus]

I'll probably make one you can direct access instead of scrolling through half the webpage

[worn delta]

Was good to be able to just plug in 0005 just now and see what it means, even if it doesn't mean much to me 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

memory call outside memory and the CPU went into forever sleep

[graceful radish]

I hope the NSO N64 users are ready for mediocre latency 😦

[mild ether]

I was born in the latency.

[thorn flax]

nso subs ate whenever gloop nintendo served them and asked for more

[worn delta]

No, you merely adopted it

[zinc dew]

I am not!

[orchid nimbus]

@graceful radish hit us with numbers - we want numbers

omg the latency is 300us

[broken creek]

Not surprised. Every single wireless controller from them has high latency. Wavebird might be the exception.

[silent marten]

so it looks like Resident Evil 2 just throws a PI Error (Bit 5) when starting a new game

[zinc dew]

When the games are ~20 fps does high latency even matter?

[broken creek]

lol probably not

[silent marten]

thanks to Vampiers error decoder

[mild ether]

You will take your slideshow and love it!

[broken creek]

It’s knowing the latency. That’s the struggle. 🙂

[graceful radish]

Wavebird latency is 10-15ms if I recall

[broken creek]

Oh, higher than I thought! Right in line with their other wireless controllers.

[orchid nimbus]

no problem @silent marten it's something I meant to do quite some time ago - but just didn't feel like doing it 😄

[silent marten]

this really does help us to understand what is going on with the error codes 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

yup - I can do simple hex-bin conversions

but not in sets of 4 and remember the error codes

[desert crow]

probably never get the bits backwards either 🙂

[zinc dew]

when you’re older than 20 does high latency even matter?

[orchid nimbus]

yup - I was tired yesterday and forgot to go from R to L and not from L to R

I play Mario and Kart through OBS

the MSX had massive latency due to the z80

[viscid nebula]

just because we're old doesn't mean we feel old

[orchid nimbus]

LAG IS LIFE!!!

[viscid nebula]

I need instant response time

I need to be the character

[orchid nimbus]

I need a shirt with LAG IS LIFE!!

[viscid nebula]

moving with them

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777950158737506345/1083170677936377968/shittalkedenbros.gif

[zinc dew]

gif_police.png

lol

I’m kidding it’s just a lot of gifs not once in a while

[mild ether]

Still feel plenty young until I have to do anything physical.

[viscid nebula]

xD

[orchid nimbus]

@viscid nebula the GIF is from a Dutch movie (from 1993) called 'De Flodders' it's about a trailer trash family who moves into a rich neighborhood

^^ MiSTer user convention picture 😛 (still from the movie)

[lone geyser]

Unironically, though 😂. Same frame probability is through the roof

[desert nest]

I'm REALLY glad I snuck my order in yesterday then. 😅

[graceful radish]

Sold out now

[deft tree]

I’m wondering if we’ll see a price jump in Jogcon over the next couple months

Beetle racing on a Jogcon coming soon

[viscid nebula]

oh interesting I had no idea

[worn delta]

Something interesting, and I don't know if any other games/hacks do this, but the Densha De Go! localisation hack (which added a load of extra improvements and features) added in an easter egg where by if you are playing on OG hardware and have a 64DD connected then it displays different content (I think it may just be a different splash screen).

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/2947/

Does anyone know of anything else that does something like this for when a 64DD is connected?

[mystic galleon]

sup all, is there anyway to save games on N64?

[foggy stirrup]

Not yet.

[languid dune]

I love how Robert has spoiled us so much lately, that even a couple days without a new build feels like an eternity now.

[drowsy lantern]

Must mean he's working on something very big! 🤞

[languid dune]

I honestly would be totally fine if he's just taking a break to refresh himself. He works so hard that's he's earned it!

[marsh summit]

I’m not very good with discord. Is this correct channel to find the link to test the N64 core

[random portal]

haha I was thinking "that is the neatest trashy woman I've ever seen, she's too well put together"

[mild ether]

That looks interesting I will have to check it out.

[cerulean elk]

Sweet sweet free time

Speaking of which I’m gonna go to the post office today @languid dune

[mild ether]

He needs a break so he can have that playable game done in time for Christmas.

[drowsy junco]

Those are here
https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/737506076806611064

[radiant plank]

How do I get access to that chanell ?

[languid dune]

Haha, you've also earned it! 😅

[drowsy junco]

It should be public

[radiant plank]

It reads "No access" with a locker here.

[silent marten]

From channels and roles make sure you have the cycle accurate role

[bronze tree]

don't jinx it...

[orchid nimbus]

I wonder if people know about the auto updater 😛

[cerulean elk]

Oh I’m not doing any work till tomorrow afternoon

[bronze tree]

famous last words 😄

[cerulean elk]

And then it’s MiSTer news. But if there is no new core I might run another N64 vid. Testing games I didn’t test. Got a lot of requests for stuff

People just love seeing stuff run

[mild ether]

Dr Mario works great if you didn't feature it yet.

[cerulean elk]

Yep it’s on my list for the next video. Whether new core or current

[mild ether]

Got sucked into it for over an hour.

[cerulean elk]

Yeah when capturing I have to force myself to move on. I could play one game for two hours if I didn’t make myself keep moving on

Even still with Mario I had 28 minutes of footage and I threw away 25 of it

[snow mulch]

Now were set.
IDK if anyone posted this.
Will grab this when it's out. IDK bring buddy's over.
They should put a online thing for multiplayer or implement it in the OSD (join to ip or something) . IDK figure something out about the extra lag it may have. I do online gaming for a reason.
https://twitter.com/MisterAddons/status/1695962213830537639

Porkshop Express (@MisterAddons)

The #MiSTerFPGA #N64 core is making rapid progress and SNAC developer, blue1 has already added experimental 4P SNAC support. My prototype PCB will be here in 1-2 so for now, we hack together a test setup :)

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[mild ether]

Just great that the core is working well enough now you can actually sit down and play games without it just checking if it works at all.

[languid dune]

Looks like there might be some movement on the Saturn front as well with srg320!

[cerulean elk]

😩

Haha

[weary palm]

Making silly program to test out different joystick scaling algorithms. 😛

[ripe prism]

25 of the 28 minutes was you falling off the bridge in thwomps fortress

[languid dune]

Robert and srg320 are clearly working together to ensure Awbacon and Pixel Cherry Ninja will work themselves into oblivion!

[cerulean elk]

I’m standing firm. Not doing anything till tomorrow afternoon

[native mesa]

Crack that pocket open

[lone geyser]

lol we're like twins #1096015979055697940 message
Planning on implementing a few in ares for people to try. LMK if you find any you like

[mild ether]

New cores coming out tomorrow evening confirmed.

[languid dune]

Forgot to mention, yesterday I upgraded to a larger micro SD card for my MiSTer, and redid some of my N64 testing just to see if the change in card affected anything. And all N64 games ran exactly the same with one exception. Excitebike 64. On my previous card, I would get the N64 Sports logo, and it would freeze there. On the new card, I don't even get the N64 Sports logo. Interesting!

[orchid nimbus]

I run everything from my NAS

cheats/saves and save states go onto my NAS

[languid dune]

Is it bad that I don't know what NAS is?

[desert nest]

I'm the only guy in my friend group who has a MiSTer so it's got some miles on it haha. Otherwise network storage would be great.

[orchid nimbus]

Network Attached Storage

[daring meteor]

I run CD games off a NAS

[inner bronze]

I have an mITX case with a 1TB SSD in it

😊

[desert nest]

Yeah @inner bronze mine is stacked with storage as well. Gotta have the whole library at all times.

[inner bronze]

Cant take it with me if games are on a NAS

[daring meteor]

I have a 2TB USB Flash drive

[inner bronze]

Does good at office parties

[daring meteor]

Might use it if I wanted to take my Mister somewhere lol

[viscid nebula]

I made one too

[lament escarp]

You're all so fancy. I'm using a usb stick.

[inner bronze]

I dont trust usb sticks

[daring meteor]

I mean

[inner bronze]

I trust Crucial MX500s

[daring meteor]

I did say I have a 2TB USB stick

[lone geyser]

Truly the Starfox EX of analog stick scaling algorithms

[languid dune]

The main thing that would concern me about a USB stick is the files that get overwritten frequently. Like saves and such.

[daring meteor]

The problem with the MX500 is it is very expensive

[inner bronze]

Is it? its one of the cheapest

[lament escarp]

What's there to trust? It's just the roms on it which are backed up twice on pc.

[daring meteor]

Its fairly expensive

[inner bronze]

Its like 55 euros for 1TB

[daring meteor]

Exactly

[inner bronze]

In what world is that expensive

[daring meteor]

My USB drive was like 80 dollars, and if I got a slightly larger one it would be like 70

And that's for 2 Tera

[inner bronze]

But its also a USB stick

of maybe questionable design

[daring meteor]

It's about the level of the BX500, all of them

[mortal apex]

I've been playing around with Desmos this morning, is this function similar to what we're trying to accomplish ?
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/qi4zbxmrjh
You can move the "Square Gate" point and the "Octogonal Gate" point will adjust accordingly.

I've got an excel file with every point and it's conversion, but I'm not sure I've understood correctly how the scaling is supposed to work.

[weary palm]

Nah, yours is much fancier.

[lone geyser]

I'm compiling something right now that does something similar except it scales from a circle of radius 99

[weary palm]

You would have to figure out the real shape of the square gate with your approach, on my gamepad it's not really a square.

I'm trying to avoid non-linear scaling in my approach. I want straight lines to be kept straight. 😉

[lone geyser]

https://github.com/Lemonici/ares/releases/tag/analogtest

[mortal apex]

Yeah that's true, it was fun to think about anyway 🙂

[weary palm]

That's the most interesting part, right 🙂

[lament escarp]

Keep us updated!

[lone geyser]

Eh, something isn't working, lol

@weary palm your Simple64 one works, lol. Gotta figure out were I screwed up my algorithm

https://github.com/Lemonici/ares/releases/tag/simple64

[wanton sun]

Datacache testbuild is uploaded. It's not very stable yet, but so far i only found random bugs. If you find any REPRODUCIBLE crash that happens with the cache on, but not with it off (OSD toggle), please tell me

[remote hatch]

yeeessss

thank You!

[daring meteor]

Stable as in in-core, or stable as in FPGA wise?

[compact depot]

HOLY SHIT!!!!

[wanton sun]

despite the lower cpu clock rate, most games i tested run full speed now

[bronze tree]

the magician strikes again

[cerulean elk]

I hate my life 😂😂😂

[wanton sun]

there are random crashes. E.g. mario kart crashed after 30 minutes of attract mode. Wave race after 5 minutes of playing and Mario64 somewhere in bob-omb...random

[vagrant ivy]

Saturn too has a test build

so get to it Bacon boy !

[cerulean elk]

If I play my cards right with @manic basin I’ll have Saturn tomorrow night, N64 weds night and MiSTer news Thursday morning

[wanton sun]

that's why any reproducible crash is highly appreciated. Not only for debugging it, but also for testing if a potential change helps

[daring meteor]

Did you set it up to be 63.5MHz just so you could make sure its not an FPGA problem?

[cerulean elk]

Or N64 tomorrow and Saturn weds. We shall see

[wanton sun]

yes. As the timing closure is not there for the cpu, mostly 1ns of slack (~85mhz is safe), i just dropped it for now to rule that as reason out

[daring meteor]

Alright

[lament escarp]

So n64 tomorrow, by wed this core will be outdated again. 😄

[daring meteor]

And the random crashes don't occur when Datacache is off, right?

[cerulean elk]

I will push N64 to weds for that reason

But damn if I’ll figure out how to make it happen. It’s become a point of challenge pride now

(Honestly this is no diff than working with clients who need work asap because they forgot about shit)

[cerulean elk]

If I get any on capture tomorrow I’ll forward you the videos so you can check

[viscid nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/the-question-faceless-batman-gif-10794918

Mario’s reaction

[wanton sun]

as several people already completed games like mario64 or banjo, meaning they ran for several hours on the previous core, i assume that

[daring meteor]

Alright, will check just to be sure

[viscid nebula]

Btw this is super cool, imagine testing games in the Nintendo factory as they built their board chip by chip

That’s what we’re doing

One day Mario will have a face too

[cerulean elk]

I like him better without

[viscid nebula]

🤣

A man has no face

[lone geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/ohngesicht-noface-khaonashi-gif-5729330

[viscid nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-rekting-bowser-mario-bowser-mario64-terminalmontage-gif-23002989

Soopah madio

Surprisingly Mario’s little odyssey and Mario odyssey 64 both work (mostly)

[mild ether]

Damn, not going to get any sleep now. 😂

[brisk drum]

We got new Saturn builds! Eat it nerds!

[cerulean elk]

Raining builds

I want to cry lol.

[brisk drum]

You’ll be all right dawg!

[compact depot]

Can't see shit in #test-builds ? 🤔

[brisk drum]

Just don’t sleep

[mild ether]

Looks like we need a video today now.

[brisk drum]

Only builds are in the Saturn channel someone put together a single and dual ram build

[zinc dew]

Pins updated

[mild ether]

Maybe two

[native mesa]

oh my goobness

I should do work though

[brisk drum]

No! Duty calls

[cerulean elk]

Haha no I am excited. I’m just joking. I get amped to knock them out

[silent marten]

Tetrisphere crashes at the menu consistently @wanton sun

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/survive-army-soldier-gif-14341653

[hollow rune]

Should we send footage or just report to you? @wanton sun

[vagrant ivy]

All reports should be written on a 100 euro note and sent to me

[zinc dew]

❗REMINDER❗

Check the pins for info on how to get the latest build, a link to the FAQ, and the testing spreadsheet where you can contribute your results!

[plush summit]

SM64, Duke 3D are running nicely so far

[wanton sun]

please no videos, takes way too much time to watch

[zinc dew]

Anything issues in particular you want people to be on the look out for?

[vagrant ivy]

And dont hassle Vampier. The update script is not automatic he has to manually upload the build

[wanton sun]

reproducible crashes

[cerulean elk]

It’s basically a point of pride now

[fair stump]

Can anyone load shadows of the empire? I'm trying and it doesn't seem to work now

[remote hatch]

It's ok for now ? 😆

[daring meteor]

Tetrisphere gets glitched for me

[wanton sun]

interesting, for me directly after booting

[uneven dagger]

I get a white screen crash in SM64 (patched) with data cache on, works with it turned off. MK64 also crashes on the rotating logo with datacache turned on.

[ocean lily]

tetrisphere crashes with cache on: E8825 plus super grainy audio and visual glitching during intro sequence; seems to be working fine (per usual for current core state) with cache off

[native mesa]

full speed mario feels good

[lament escarp]

Mario kart doesn't boot for me with cache on but with cache off it does.

[remote hatch]

Cache off works fine

[silent marten]

Just got a crash in Star Fox as Peppy says Use The Brake

[plush summit]

Running with Cache on, haven't had issues on my side yet

[wanton sun]

i know that there are random bugs, but reporting every will be too much...please only tag me if you reproduced something (prefered early after boot) that is not there without cache

[ocean lily]

tetrishphere is a good example

[wanton sun]

yes, i noted that, currently the best

[ocean lily]

also one that emulators were notorious with forever

[elfin depot]

I've made Ouija boards for people, might have to make one of these for fun

[topaz otter]

Because you didn't listen to him and crashed into an asteroid

[hasty kayak]

Starting Mario Kart with Data Cache on hangs at the Spinning Nintendo Logo.

Starting a race, then switching it on, cases flickering garbage around the Character in race

[wanton sun]

it's very strange...for some mario kart hangs instantly, for some it doesn't?

[lone geyser]

@lament escarp @weary palm @mortal apex I've made a thread in #controllers so we can keep this channel uncluttered for Robert's debugging. LMK if you have suggestions

[hasty kayak]

For me it hangs as soon as the Nintendo Logo is about to appear.

[uneven dagger]

Same

[hasty kayak]

It does make the game run at 30FPS though 😉

[plush summit]

I have Vamp's script, does that change anything?

[remote hatch]

i have garabe on the title screen than hangs on attract mode

[fair stump]

Shadows of the empire does not boot with data cache on, does boot with very choppy audio with data cache off

[hasty kayak]

It will be hard to show you what I mean with the flickering garbage around the Character.

[vagrant ivy]

Vampier script will not have been updated yet so it wont give you tonights build

[hasty kayak]

Actually no it won't 🙂 I have a way.

[wanton sun]

it will not help

[plush summit]

@vagrant ivy I meant the Database file, if that changes anything, my bad

[wanton sun]

if it crashes for some of you and for some it doesn't it must be some timing effect

as the fpga has timing closure, i need to search very deep what that could be

[daring meteor]

Mario Kart works fine for me

Tetrisphere buggy menu reproduced for me

[zinc dew]

❗ TESTING DO’s & DON’Ts

• DO add N64-TEST to your post
• DO test games with error reporting on
• DO refer to the testing spreadsheet (in pins) to check what’s been looked at
• DO include build name and the full title of the game including extension as part of your report
• DO include as much detail as you think is necessary but be succinct
  —————————————————————————
• DON’T test with anything other than htgb or the no-intro packs
• DON’T report a crash without attempting to reproduce it first
• DON’T report a reproducible crash without including steps on how to get it to crash
• DON’T report on anything other than crashes at this time.
• DON’T record a video of the issue, a simple image is fine

If you have any questions please reach out to the <@&806015468916703282> team. Thank you!

[vagrant ivy]

The sets you use is important too so if your MK64 crashes say which set it comes from and if its Big or little endian

[daring meteor]

It's not a Crash but it's something

And it's reproducible

[zinc dew]

@plush summit / @worn delta can you look over that message and let me know what else should be added?

[wanton sun]

my tetrissphere crashes

maybe we should skip this build

[daring meteor]

What version you use?

[nova grotto]

Mischief Makers it's booting it's intro scene but it crashes after some seconds working

[native mesa]

Regression every once in a while is to be expected

[ocean lily]

mystical ninja starring goemon: noticeable character flickering in intro sequence that doesn't exist with cache off

[oblique remnant]

progress 🙂

[marble cargo]

Yeah Mischief Makers is more stable for me too. Still crashes though.

[daring meteor]

I have Tetrisphere (USA).z64 70a3a5ce inside a zip

[nova grotto]

Yes 🙂 does it freeze to you?

[wanton sun]

edited the build message....error reports are not helpful if they only happen for half of the users

[fair stump]

Can anyone else confirm crashing on nfl quarterback club 98 when pressing quick play on the main menu? Does not happen when data cache is off

[wanton sun]

need to dig what could be the reason

[mortal apex]

Quest40₁₆ crashes a few seconds after I load the save state with data cache, doesn't seem to happen without datacache. I've tried it 3 times it seems reproducible but timing varies a bit.
Scratch that, it's random

[oblique remnant]

yeah title screen is the furthest 😦

[plush summit]

The only things I can suggest: Vamp's Database txt file (if it still applies), Revision (if applicable), Rom Type

[daring meteor]

Very curious that it only sometimes crashes

[zinc dew]

Would asking people to add N64-CRASH to their post be good for easy searching?

[vagrant ivy]

probably easier to have a Crash Thread where only crash gets reported

[worn delta]

Might need to mention testing is on htgdb or no intro, and not to add any additional rows (someone added a version of Banjo from a different pack with a different file extension which). If you are wanting to test something not on the sheet then contact me about getting it added

[nova grotto]

I'm looking forward to see that intro fully working

[wanton sun]

we at least found 3 games now that behave different for different people, so the error reports are not helpful. Sorry guys to deliver such a core 😦

[zinc dew]

That is the smarter path but threads get lost unfortunately

[wanton sun]

i deleted the build

[vagrant ivy]

You delivered Miracles dont be sorry

[wanton sun]

will try again in some days

[plush summit]

My lunch is over, those were my impressions for like 10 minutes of fun 😂

[ocean lily]

you got this

[marble cargo]

Kirby 64 seems to have regressed with the cache build. Can't even see the title of the game.

[silent marten]

This works for me

[oblique remnant]

thanks anyway it makes Spass 🙂

[native mesa]

one more game then i gotta get back to work :<