Nintendo 64

[zenith orchid]

Could you at least implement an integer rounding perspective correction?

[wanton sun]

but why?

[native mesa]

For PSX style jitter?

lol

that's silly

[zenith orchid]

well, to go with the ability to disable blur and AA

[wanton sun]

i could understand a toggle for filters, AA and dithering, but jumping triangles, no

[zenith orchid]

darn 😂

[native mesa]

Mans really wants Ultra Playstation 64

[zenith orchid]

well, I figured that anyone who is against blur and AA would like to take it a step further 😂

[native mesa]

Well it's a fine line between a toggle and an extra feature

It's open source right?

You can add it yourself

[wanton sun]

toggle for such features is easy. I would just overwrite the setting of the game, which is simple. Doing extra work to make it work/look worse...not really what i would have as goal 🙂

[native mesa]

Also disabling AA for games has performance implications people may prefer

[lilac scroll]

Has your confidence gone up or down (as to whether everything will fit and work to your personal standards) based on how well things have seemingly gone so far?

[lament escarp]

Which render mode is missing from turok? It plays fine but is silhouettes.

[zealous hull]

I want to ask him this question every day. lol

[knotty zealot]

thanks so much for sending me that new test build @wanton sun

[zenith orchid]

which texture mode is missing from dr. mario? 😮

[zealous hull]

I want a Robert-Confidence barometer on the Patreon.

[native mesa]

Which texture mode is missing from my soul?

[orchid nimbus]

it doesn't matter - you can play it 😄

@native mesa soul mode

[wanton sun]

don't play to much goldeneye on it, you already look like...oh nevermind 😛

[zenith orchid]

@fallen sparrow btw, thank you for covering Dr. Mario 64. it's such a hidden gem, most people don't even know about this game

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/pardon-excuse-me-what-was-it-golden-girls-blanche-devereaux-gif-25044494

[native mesa]

Damn shade city over here

[wanton sun]

everything is such a hard word. Currently it looks like we can get 90%+ of all games playable well. Anything on top of that i would not want to commit myself currently

[cerulean elk]

That’s a solid percentage

[native mesa]

I think we can all agree that face mode can be sacrificed to the Nintendo gods

[wanton sun]

probably 2 pass rendering. There is no texture mode missing that would result in colors, only greyscale and alpha

(other than YUV, but nothing really uses it)

[native mesa]

N64DD when

[zenith orchid]

Excellent! 2 pass rendering may be the next big puzzle piece for most games with visual issues to be playable

[native mesa]

@wanton sun You're married right? Does your wife play your cores?

I make my girlfriend play your cores

haha

[wanton sun]

not really. the only game so far was DDR on the PSX core with the dance mat

but i played some games with my daughter, like zelda on GBA2P, Crash team racing, bug bunny on psx....and of course one cup of Mario Kart already 😉

[native mesa]

Got it she just enjoys the 10 community funded in ground pools

[zenith orchid]

the what now?

[oblique remnant]

I only understand "trainstation" but still interesting to hear 🙂

[zenith orchid]

anyway, mario party might be a fun game for the family

[weary palm]

@wanton sun #1096015979055697940 message

[native mesa]

Gotta wait for SNAC and og controllers. so you can make your palms bleed

[daring meteor]

I decided to check how this feels on a HE controller

[lament escarp]

Snac should already work, robby has one.

[vagrant ivy]

Robby has a Reflex

not snac

Reflex is USB based

[zenith orchid]

One day I'd like to make my own SNACs, and maybe even SNAX if its possible for one to make it themselves. But until then, USB is fine for me

with fast polling, I really don't have any issues

[vapid moat]

Niiice~!

Though what notable games are on "might not pass"-list?

[wanton sun]

there is no list of things that are more difficult. It's more a "i'm just not sure" thing and i don't want anyone to sell their N64 now because the core will make everything playable and then they are sad

e.g. no one would have probably expected exactly these games on the psx core buglist that are still open today

[carmine kettle]

psx core its awesome probably better than the console imop

[lilac scroll]

For me personally, even if half the library plays pretty well I’ll be blown away. Too many years of people saying “N64 can never happen on mister” to suddenly have crazy expectations. Every update seems a miracle

[fallen sparrow]

No worries, I thought it was pretty well known, but I guess not as popular as many other mario games

[fallen sparrow]

😃 amazing

[frail jolt]

whats a mario?

they made 64 of those games?

jeeez

[vapid moat]

A miserable pile of little paisanos

[frail jolt]

i would think it would be better known

[manic basin]

Not much. What's amario with you?

[vagrant ivy]

There is only 1 game on the N64 Quest 6 4

[frail jolt]

eyyyyyyy pasta pizza, buca di bepo

fettucino paison

garlic bread with a da cheese

[lament escarp]

Whats your gut feeling on how the zelda titles will run? Please say perfectly.

[frail jolt]

ok im done

that was fun.... at least for me

[marble cargo]

Dr. Mario 64 had such a strange release.

-Late Nintendo 64 release in North America only
-One of the games for the iQue in China
-One of the three games in the Japan-only release of Nintendo Puzzle Collection for Nintendo GameCube
-European territories first getting it as one of the Nintendo 64 games for the Nintendo Switch Online service

[manic basin]

"Buca di Bepo...when you're here, everywhere else was probably closed!™"

[brisk edge]

And it also borrows the plot of Wario Land 3...it's an all around weird game

[topaz otter]

What do you mean by fix

[brisk edge]

Based on the Nintendo Puzzle Collection and some other findings, apparently a full Japanese release was done just shelved too

[topaz otter]

Turok 1 let you walk with the analog or the c buttons

[lament escarp]

Not walk with c buttons and am with the stick.

[topaz otter]

I think you can change it within reason, its still janky with analog

[vapid moat]

Quite janky indeed

[oblique remnant]

is Dr. Mario 64 emulated perfectly via Software Emulators ? I thought there were always graphical bugs

[topaz otter]

That game is laggy as hell, it has real framerate issues

[vapid moat]

And ton of enemies...

[topaz otter]

Which is funny because armorines is the next version of the engine

And it runs like butter

[plush summit]

I was messing with Duke 3D and its weird having the sticks reversed

[topaz otter]

Am i right in remembering that duke64 isnt even the build engine

Its made from scratch

[plush summit]

Yeah, there's more 3D assets and such

So its definitely not the same 1:1

[zenith orchid]

Yeah the fact that it was a late release probably had a lot to do with it. People were moving on to Dreamcast or preparing for ps2, or like me, I sold my N64 for a refurbished PSX when FF7 came out

[nova grotto]

@wanton sun After finishing the N64 core will you be away from developing something else or will you work in for example an specific arcade core you'd like to see ?

[wanton sun]

i don't see a reason why not. Also they are important enough to spend a lot of time on them 😉

[lament escarp]

🙂

[cerulean elk]

They are absolute classics

[wanton sun]

i don't do plans so early, but if you ask what i would be interested in, then it would be mostly consoles(handheld and nintendo if possible). I would also be interested in x86, but i have very few experience with anything outside the CPU there and it's hard for me to grasp

[zenith orchid]

I believe with all your experience, you probably could either do a much better 486 implementation, or even a minimalist pentium

[lament escarp]

Somebody mentioned you had some ideas how to get ds to work on mister. Is it true?

[nova grotto]

So not much (or any) interest in arcades I guess 😲

[cerulean elk]

What’s that? You want me to send you a Hyper Neo Geo? Lol ok then 😏

[zenith orchid]

maybe a 486 with FPU

[wanton sun]

i never played on any arcade machine in my life, i don't like the type of games (fighting or shmup mostly) and i don't like working for just one game

[cerulean elk]

Kidding. I know you don’t love arcades 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

I'm taking notes for my dad jokes 🤣

[real void]

Looking at the Mister landscape as a whole, what do you consider the last big targets for console cores that nobody has done yet? Also, thank you so so much for your dedication, time, skill and passion, we're very lucky to benefit from your work 👍

[wanton sun]

not really, it's just too large. GBA2P already fills it and DS is the same + additional 3D. Also the RAM issues, it could not be cycle accurate. Not sure it would be worth the effort. Maybe if i'm REALLY bored and everything else is just more boring

[cerulean elk]

Sounds like PC-FX / Virtual Boy combo is calling your name lol

[languid dune]

I appreciate all the banana posts earlier!

[nova grotto]

PC-98 please

[fallen sparrow]

Wow, I understand now why always consoles.
If you spent time in arcades when they were around and you were young. They end up being a big part of your gaming life.

I guess you never went, you won't have that love.

I'm with you on handheld gaming, I've been a big fan since G&W days.

[zenith orchid]

Yesss! PC-98 would be incredible!

[cerulean elk]

Hour and a half to testing fun that wasn’t @fallen sparrow lol

[worn delta]

I do lament that nobody has tackled Super Cassette Vision yet, it looks to have a fun little library

[zenith orchid]

or a i486DX4

[languid dune]

I love arcade gaming so much. I couldn't imagine my life without having experienced it when I was younger.

Anyway, I want a 3DO core so badly.

[wanton sun]

mister still can fulfill many many targets. Not in only in possible "modern" cores like Jaguar,3DO,VirtualBoy,....but also in accuracy for existing cores or things like savestates. The thing that Mister lacks most is not more logic or ram, but more developers.

[zinc dew]

DAMN STRAIGHT

[brisk edge]

pc-98 would probably require someone to help translate existing documentation

[zenith orchid]

I suppose Virtual Boy is yet another Nintendo system that may be in reach

[lament escarp]

Snes savestates??? We need them!

[real void]

Absolutely. There's potentially a lot more to unlock isn't there. Oh and seeing you even mention the 3DO brings a smile to my face!

[zenith orchid]

Sadly most of the core would have to be rebuilt to implement that

Unless fxpak pro code is implemented, which is probably closed source

[fallen sparrow]

Embarrassing thing, when I was a teenager, my mum had the number for all the local arcades as well boing alleys and similar places.

If I didn't come home in time she used to start calling them.

A bowling alley called Rowan's had a tannoy system.

Sometimes I'd be out with a group of friends, boys and girls, and one particular occasion, I was staying out way past my allowed time on a school night, and the music in the venue stopped, and everyone heard. Is there a "my name" in the building, your mum wants you home and is worried about you"

Music came back on.

Probably the most embarrassed I've been in my life, everyone was laughing.

My mother was a good troll

[zenith orchid]

🤣🤣🤣

[fallen sparrow]

I still cringe

[zenith orchid]

you kinda deserved it

[cerulean elk]

This is how hot it is out 😂

[zenith orchid]

the cool concrete in the shade

[vapid hawk]

classic splootin

most animals can't sweat in the heat like humans so they do that

(and pant)

[cinder pagoda]

At least the romset is extremely small when compared to the PSX and is ton of shovelware to wade through. Thanks for your excellent work and contribution. At this point, Misteraddons need to make a special dev case with your name on it. 🤓

[fallen sparrow]

I'm just trying to finish testing the 8bitdo NG controller, early impressions, I love it. I'm glad you recommended it.
I just need to get it working on the Analogue Pocket and Switch now

[nova grotto]

I know you just said you have no interest in arcades but if you are REALLY bored @wanton sun the are some arcade core's music that no one has been able to recreate their analog audio not even in MAME it's like if you don't have the real arcade you won't be able to have the authentic experience of certain games for example 'pleiades' I don't know if this is possible to recreate with fpga but it's a topic almost no one is aware of it or talking about it

[fallen sparrow]

I totally did, I put my parents through a lot

[cerulean elk]

107 outside right now. 119 with heat index

I’ve never felt it this hot in Chicago.

[languid dune]

Over 100 here right now as well. 🔥

Not cool.

[nova grotto]

86 for me

Even less inside my house

haha

[cerulean elk]

It’s so fucking hot

It’s 85 inside. With AC on full blast

[real void]

20c in Dublin, Ireland today and we're sweating and complaining 🥵 we're really not built for heat here 😂

[languid dune]

Thankfully my AC working like a champ. 74 inside here!

[vagrant ivy]

-40 C here in my Fortress in the Dry Valleys of Antartica. Have to get some tea ready. Cthulhu doesnt like to wait

[nova grotto]

And i'm not even with AC

[cerulean elk]

Our condo was build in 1872. It leaks air like that’s it’s job

[nova grotto]

In fact I don't have any AC

[cerulean elk]

Only took 13 months from paying to receiving 😡

And they sent the wrong color 🤣

[vagrant ivy]

you shoudl encase it in plastic and have a Grade 10 example !

[languid dune]

F'n what!?

Only handhelds I've gotten recently are my Steam Deck and Playdate.

[cerulean elk]

Supposed to be white Lolol

[vapid moat]

I think some are working on a few of them these days, like Donkey Kong

[languid dune]

The Playdate is a fun little device.

[nova grotto]

In my country if you order anything from internet you have to wait at least 2 months no matter what it's your order and no matter from where it's being ship

[cerulean elk]

Ouch

[daring meteor]

I once ordered online from the other side of the world, on a thursday eve, and it arrived sun noon

I was amazed

10000km away

And it was free shipping, but expensive product

[nova grotto]

because of that when I was overseas I went bananas and order a lot of things I normally could not for example the DE10 from Taiwan

[languid dune]

And here I was complaining about how long my Neo Geo CD controller took to ship...

[nova grotto]

God has favorites

[lament escarp]

Where the hell you're from? Sounds dreadful. I go bananas when I order from usa or brittain and it takes a day too long in customs.

[carmine kettle]

finally i havent even open mine since it came out lol

[dreamy ridge]

lmao that's why i didn't buy one, it would be another thing i drop hundreds on and it collects dust

they do look really pretty though

[carmine kettle]

but i do use nt and sg though

[languid dune]

You have a moral obligation to open it right this instant.

[lament escarp]

Thought about getting one. Than I decided to build some new custom gameboys instead, the screens are now laminated by the factory and should be even better.

[cerulean elk]

Imma do mine on camera. Make a vid. See if anyone cares. I barely care now. I cared last July when I ordered it

[nova grotto]

South America

[dreamy ridge]

the improvements to custom gameboy modding has been wild over the past few years

[languid dune]

If nobody cares after the video, you could give it to me! Think of it as a generous donation.

[dreamy ridge]

i would love to do a custom gameboy pocket mod...i always loved the ice blue shells from the late 90s

[lament escarp]

Destroy it on camera and dedicate it to @languid dune. Send him the remains.

[carmine kettle]

i forgot no gif here

[lament escarp]

I'll just do a gbc and gba. Parts should be arriving tomorrow or sat. The funnyplaying v3 and q5 ver2 screens respectively.

[zinc dew]

Ah yes 41C / 106F

I am built for this

[languid dune]

<—Live camera footage of Robby as he goes outside to check the mail.

[zinc dew]

But even then it’s not as hot as N64 development 🔥

Robert brings the heat

[nova grotto]

x2

[languid dune]

Robert is so hot, he's cool. So cool, he's hot! 🧊 🔥

[cerulean elk]

Looks like we set a heat record today

Tied with hottest day since 1947

[orchid nimbus]

spicey weather

it's nice and cool here

[cerulean elk]

Half as hot as Bomberman Hero though

[carmine kettle]

its raining here and little cool

[lament escarp]

Y'all need a red tunic.

[frail jolt]

OOOOOOoooo ... im already bored of mine lol

[cerulean elk]

I’m sure MiSTer attracts a ton of people who immediately get bored with stuff once we get it 😂

[frail jolt]

well thats why the mister is perfect for people like me who live vicariously through your videos..... i have warched your videos more than i have played with my mister lol

[cerulean elk]

Haha I’ve spent more time making videos than I have playing MiSTer

Playing for capture doesn’t count as playing. It’s always intentional vs recreational

[cerulean elk]

https://youtu.be/U7iKDmKG4z0?si=I9UAFK90AyI6YA2l

Have fun kids

[zinc dew]

No! You’re not my dad!

[compact depot]

How do you know that? 🤔

[cerulean elk]

I said go have fun! Or else it’s grounded

[native mesa]

Playing sim city 2000 on N64.. one of the most difficult things in the world

[manic basin]

Doubly so with all that combing. But it really does work well, despite being slow!

[zinc dew]

https://x.com/polydepression/status/1694381060623069303

𝐋𝐨𝐰 𝐏𝐨𝐥𝐲 𝐃𝐞𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 (@PolyDepression)

Cool fact: The iconic deep, metallic gong noise you hear in Goldeneye's OST especially the Pause Menu track is actually a tambourine sound from the E-mu Proteus FX sound module pitched down

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[native mesa]

Yes

[fair stump]

No comparison in the video

[native mesa]

But it's also based on the pipe hit from the film score

[native mesa]

There's better vids out there

https://youtu.be/Q4JvthGCtLM

[zinc dew]

I honestly just linked it for dancing polygon pierce brosnan lol

[cerulean elk]

Extra hard mode

[ripe prism]

Last night I tried the goldeneye control scheme where you use the left side of the controller

It completely changed the game, way better

[kind nimbus]

Robert working on 3DO in 2024 confirmed

[cerulean elk]

Leaving the best for last

[native mesa]

He said virtual boy

[lilac scroll]

Oh golly if this means a new DOS core?…
😙👌

[languid dune]

How dare you speak to your dad like that!

[cerulean elk]

Stepdad. Well soon I’ll make official

[zinc dew]

I can’t wait to get arcade boards for Christmas

[languid dune]

He'll be a wicked step dad. And demand daily tributes of your lunch money.

[cerulean elk]

All he’s gonna get is Dino Rex and Kabuki Z

Good arcade boards ARE FOR CLOSERS

[neon heron]

Would love to see a finished x68000 😉

[zealous hull]

Just finished another Paper Mario randomizer run on my EverDrive. I'm not going to hold my breath that the core will support Paper Mario, but literally every finger is crossed.

[cerulean elk]

100%

[vapid hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCBHdgbickE

loads of progress, it looks great now

[manic basin]

Had to test it (no surprise, cic 6102 if you're looking). Just get the garbled pixel screen.... it'll be amazing if that ever loads!

Took it for a spin on Simple64....I need to remap controls or get something with actual c buttons. I'm flailing wildly trying to use right stick as C because my brain wants to turn with the stick.

REALLY awesome stuff. Thanks for sharing @vapid hawk!

[vapid hawk]

iirc you can set it up so dpad is move and stick is look

control mapping was added a while back

[manic basin]

Yeah, I'll definitely play around with it. I'm on an Xbox style controller. Simple has controller mapping as well

[ripe prism]

Played golden eye like that for the first time and it’s amazing

[manic basin]

I just haven't played with it yet.

[ripe prism]

Made the game so much better

[vapid hawk]

yeah the dpad/stick combo feels more natural for shooters

it does mean doing some acrobatics for auxiliary buttons though

[ripe prism]

Felt good enough for me luckily

Just a tad annoying swapping guns

[vapid hawk]

its a bit tricky in portal because you really want 2 shoot buttons and a jump button

[ripe prism]

True

Does it have two controller support?

[vapid hawk]

yeah

[ripe prism]

Never realized goldeneye had the mode like pod racing. Gotta try it when I get back to my 64

[vapid hawk]

if you have blueretro on a real n64 you can map it all to one dual analog pad

feels awesome

[deft tree]

It works great on a real 64 pad

[hearty oar]

interesting, definitely makes a good case for having a special mode to map some P2 inputs to P1 controller for this core (I'm sure this has been suggested before)

[worldly quartz]

so mario 64 still needs the patched rom to be playable?

[hearty oar]

yeah, because IIRC it uses TLB just for the face stretching part, which hasn't been implemented in the core yet

[worldly quartz]

ah I thought it was because of the eyes on the 3d model's face in game, hence no face

[hearty oar]

I think the eyes were just a missing texture mode, but I could be wrong

[ripe prism]

When did Mario have a face? He didn’t get one till sunshine

This is just the new Mandela effect, Mario never had eyes

[worldly quartz]

I mean it took people long to accept he was punching yoshi in mario world

[ripe prism]

Nah Nintendo avoided that one till recently

We all knew

[hearty oar]

the punching was never as bad as when he just leaps off him over a bottomless pit or pool of lava

[worldly quartz]

yeah i hink it was needed in star levels iirc

[ripe prism]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-yoshi-jump-mario-cry-gif-17013599

[neat sierra]

That’s a great video but it always bothers me you can see he’s not going into a twist to be able to face Yoshi and deliver the double bird

[brisk drum]

SEGA POWNS!

[zinc dew]

I mean they got pwned sadly

[elfin relic]

self pwned

[zinc dew]

https://x.com/nintendoamerica/status/1694877541465518526

Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica)

Want to get some serious air?

Race across 20 tracks and set the daredevil inside you free in Excitebike 64, coming to #NintendoSwitch for #NintendoSwitchOnline + Expansion Pack members on 8/30! #Nintendo64

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Excitebike 64 was a really fun game.

It’ll be fun to see how well the N64 MiSTer core handles the NES Excitebike emulation.

[cerulean elk]

We did if!

[ripe prism]

They took my money : (

Forgot to cancel so it auto renewed this month

[devout leaf]

The hill climb was a blast. People used to do that in the woods where I grew up.

[brisk drum]

Yeah well .. the future is yet to happen

[kind nimbus]

Hangtime was playable for about 20 seconds then froze. The court does some really trippy stuff

That I wouldn't be surprised if led to the freeze

NFL Blitz (original) is playable but looks rough

[calm knoll]

Crusin USA running well, some graphics artifacts but definitely playable!

[manic basin]

Crusin' World is super slow, but IMO the soundtrack is the best of the Cruisn' series and it's perfect.

[manic basin]

I think one of the most exciting things about this core is opening up the world library. I'd never heard of Wonder Project J2. But it's so pretty. 2D Enix RPG? Sign me up...

[ripe prism]

Damn actual 2D?

[hearty oar]

I love the idea of SGI engineers cramming in all of this hardware accelerated T&L stuff, and these guys being like, nice, we can have as many background layers as we want and practically infinite sprites

[ripe prism]

The most disappointing part of the 32 but and 64 but generation is the great pixel art we missed out on

Bit*

[hearty oar]

Saturn had you covered there, that thing was famously designed to be the ultimate 2D machine, at least initially

also totally recommend watching Jeremy Parish's video on this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L87YiKDj4CU

[ripe prism]

Yeah exactly

Ps1 also had great 2d graphics

[old vortex]

Cool looking game, and good video. Might need to watch some more from his channel.

[brisk edge]

There's also a Wonder Project J on the SNES. I've actually never played either of them but I think they're mostly related gameplay wise judging by the screenshots

[manic basin]

Yeah, I saw that...I'm totally checking that out as soon as I have a good chunk of time! Never heard of this series, but it looks interesting!

[oblique remnant]

I remember getting stuck at around 25% of the game id say. Luckily there is a translation but I couldnt progress anyway. Its surely an unique game on the n64 as all 2D Titles are 😀

[manic basin]

Yeah, it seems interesting. Like The Sims but it's just this one Pinocchio allegory.

[covert bough]

Was playing some real n64 today on my ever drive setup on s-video just out of excitement to take the edge off as I wait for the mister core

[viral swift]

I grew up with a N64 but i love all 3 (N64, PS1, Saturn) of this generation.

could never understand when somebody limited themself to just one party 🙂

[remote hatch]

I never had an N64 , so now is a good time to catch up 🙂

[viral swift]

if you can have 3 wonderful babes, why not? 🙂

yeah, i never had a saturn und learned to love it just years ago

i could not afford to own all 3 back then ... just n64 and ps1

ps1 was a cheap one (gamewise) ... you know what we all did back then 😄

and i worked very hard to get a mr backup z64

but it was worth it

[remote hatch]

Unfortunately, in the 90s, when the N64 appeared, the console and games were very expensive in my country (we earned too little 😉 ). Few could afford it. Playstation and pirated games were king. Saturn was also affordable.

[viral swift]

poland, right?

[hollow rune]

Someone i know from Panama talked about this

[remote hatch]

yeah 🙂

[viral swift]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Backup_Z64

this is the everdrive grad daddy 🤣

own two of them

i payed 999,-DM back then

and every penny was worth it 😉

[hollow rune]

Could you play the ripped games on original hardware too?

[viral swift]

yeah

[hollow rune]

That's pretty great.

[viral swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBXRYuHRGi4

awesome device

now you know where the *.z64 suffix comes from 😉

[oblique remnant]

So what games didnt run back then? Surely jet force gemini

[viral swift]

every fucking game ran except for a few which were >256mbit

[hollow rune]

RE2 is that big I think

[viral swift]

conker, paper mario, ogre battle, resident evil 2

and one version of aydin chronicles i guess

im not sure but there were two of them ... one 256mbit and one >256mbit

resident evil 2 was 512mbit

[hollow rune]

Oh, it had an NES emulator too, that is cool

[viral swift]

ogre battle and paper mario were 320mbit

[hollow rune]

Where would you buy something like that?

[viral swift]

they were built in austria for a few months ... then came nintendo 😄

nowadays ebay is your only choice ... facebook and craigs list probably too

the newer firmwares evend had an OSD menu

the most recent firmware even allowed you to replace the zip drive with an ide device (like harddrive, compact flash or even more modern storage devices)

[hollow rune]

that's great

[oblique remnant]

Jet Force Geminis copy protection was cracked only years later i believe. The game wouldt let you shoot and you were stuck in the entry area

[viral swift]

there was a very active cracker scene back then

and they were fairly quick

when zelda mm came out i rand quickly to our video game rent location and dumped it asap

but it behaved very strange (the item copy protection)

so my disappointment was very high and i had to rent the game to be able to play it haha

a week later or so they released a crack and bam

https://www.emutalk.net/threads/really-wierd-zelda-problem-48-ocarinas.12158/

dextrose.com was place #1 for n64 game cracks and more back then

fun fact: dextrose.com is a redirection to krikzz.com today 🤣

[hearty python]

I did what most did. I bought the same console as my friends to play together and rent games

[pliant valve]

They mention that that is not copy protection,it is trying to load data from a nonexistent flash ram chip.

Though oot does have copy protection.

[viral swift]

yeah, they needed to patch the roms to add support for certain save types

[pliant valve]

I still need to play Majora's Mask, will probably do it on 3ds.

Better saving.

[viral swift]

i think they redirected the saves to the actual "host cartridge" in the z64 ... this way you could save zelda mms save to the flash of the real cart

i would play mm on the n64 on a crt but that's just me

i own both versions btw

[odd vector]

You are missing Q u e s t 64

[little socket]

Let the carts breath and throw away the dead wood

[thorn flax]

some of the comments on awbacon's latest video are a hoot.

[viral swift]

@arit: they are sealed 😉

[little socket]

Oh, so you are one of those people

[viral swift]

no, not a sealed collector

i bought them when they were cheap and i already owned other copies

so no need to open them

[little socket]

Looking at those, nintendo had no sealing game

[viral swift]

i beg to differ

not all n64 games were sealed

but some of them

at least the us ones

never seen japanese or pal sealed games though

i bought mine in the early 2000s so they probaly are not "resealed"

the shops wanted to get rid of the n64 stuff when the gc came out

unfortunately those little video game shops are all dead by now 😦

i really liked them

we had like 3 of them

64dd disks were also sealed

[unkempt vortex]

i have a game shop

u can buy my n64 games if u like

[viral swift]

im not collecting anymore ... too expensive and i have everything i ever wanted

i still buy stuff here and there but im not actively hunting

[unkempt vortex]

well I don't have a game shop, I'm just selling off my collection.

[viral swift]

good luck then

[unkempt vortex]

made a website to sell it tho. so just ask and I'll drop the link

[viral swift]

[hearty python]

Put them on eBay, nice looking boxes will sell fast. 😁

[viral swift]

did my wife pay you to tell me that? 😛

[vagrant ivy]

Surprise German_User is your wife

[viral swift]

🤣

[hearty python]

Only thought that a Mister Forum is the wrong place to sell retro games. I personally play cores on mister from systems I don’t collect for. 😂

[fallen sparrow]

Damn, that's covert

[native mesa]

Good riddance. Game retailers are a waste of space

[hearty python]

I don’t agree. DLC is the dead of collecting. Has many disadvantages too.

[native mesa]

They both suck and collecting software is stupid.

🙂

Just my opinion

[hearty python]

Collecting Things is a nice hobby. That’s my opinion 😁

[fallen sparrow]

Two different opinions

Choices are good.

I'm not a physical collector myself any longer, but I respect those that do.

I still prefer physical over digital in regards to say switch games though.

All my retro needs, I'm good with digital, too expensive and space consuming, if I go physical

[native mesa]

I do like hardware though I plan on selling my modded consoles.

[hearty oar]

Silly collectors he said, clutching his game boy carts tightly to his chest

[cerulean elk]

Robert has been found out lol

[hot spoke]

I stopped collecting for old consoles a long time ago but I like having like 10 to 30 games per system

[hot spoke]

Nice conspiracy theory. I really like it. 😀

[cold pollen]

Everyone I know has a big but

[remote hatch]

haha good one!

[cold pollen]

That would be an amazing prank

Andy Kaufman-esque

[cerulean elk]

He’s been fooling us this whole time!

[inner bronze]

Robert is a time traveler with the full git repo of the actual N64 Core developer

He's just replaying the commits at inhuman speed

[hearty python]

I cant collect for any system, so I collect for one system and bought anything else physical what I want to play and is not on mister. I know for me, that I would never go dlc only. But that’s everyone own decision,

[cerulean elk]

I’d rather stock tips if this is true

[limber willow]

Is there a guide or steps to setup the N64 core?

[bronze tree]

yes, should be in the pinned messages

on vampier's website

[limber willow]

Thanks. Discord UI changed since I last logged in so couldn't find pinned messages now. I'll check the website

[zinc dew]

** 𝐈𝐦𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐈𝐧𝐟𝐨 **

Issues with a game? Make sure you have the latest core by running update or update_all and verify you have N64-database.txt in your /media/fat/games/n64/ folder.

To use the transfer pak core option; first load a gameboy game, then select transfer pak for controller 1, and finally load an N64 game that supports it.

Go here to download a system test rom - [LINK]

Refer to this post to learn about which parts of the core are replicated in hardware - [LINK]

Here is a super detailed testing sheet you can reference - [LINK]

If your patched games are not working then refer to this post on how to add a custom N64 database - - [LINK]

Want the core's audio to sound authentic? Then check out these work-in-progress audio filters - [LINK]

Here is the latest PWM build if you use a CRT and have an older analog IO board - [LINK]

(thanks to @weary palm for their database file, @hidden bolt for the game patches, and @weary perch for their exhaustive testing)

[native mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/rob-nintendo-robot-blocks-gif-5451169

Robert is actually 3 ROBs in a trench coat

[hearty python]

Cores to Programm looks so easy if you see Roberts work 😁

Incredible and unbelievable

[zenith orchid]

He's completely on his own when it comes to certain things that emulators don't need to do

[native mesa]

He has intimate inside information at Nintendo

[zenith orchid]

unless mazamars did the research on those things already

[wanton sun]

mazamars has most of all that already implemented, but i can only ask him, there is no code. Especially for the RDP part

for some other things, like ROM access, he published a lot of his findings

[zenith orchid]

Thats great news, it's certainly better than nothing

[hearty python]

Will there be a point, where the core can do more as the software emulator?

Or is the software emulator ever a step ahead

[zenith orchid]

minimal input lag, it's already ahead

[wanton sun]

it will run full speed when the sw emu only runs at 20-50% on a high end cpu. i think that's enough to justify it 🙂

[marble cargo]

Software emulators are still going to have some advantages, like implementing high resolution textures.

But in terms of accuracy, the FPGA core should be a lot better than any emulator out there.

[zenith orchid]

oh yes, its well justified.

also lack of the overhead of running an emulator in an OS

[hearty python]

I mean not the speed, I mean the functions. Will the emulator get updates to finish the core ?

[wanton sun]

accuracy in a FPGA core only depends on knowledge and maybe motivation to implement it (FPGA/Board must be capable of course). Accuracy in software emulation also requires processing power

[wanton sun]

not sure yet. It depends on how many troubles i will see with the core. The emulator is no goal, so i will abandon it very likely at the point the core is mostly complete and done

[zenith orchid]

One day I'll try out those new LLE N64 emulators, but I doubt my system will be powerful enough

[hearty python]

Ok, thats means update only if you get trouble in the fpga core.

[cerulean elk]

Aries?

[hearty python]

It makes perhaps no sense to try things like TLB on the software emulator, if the speed is far behind.

[wanton sun]

the sw emu already has the tlb

[zenith orchid]

Ah, maybe, I think I heard Robert mention that one. All I know is that there are some pretty big strides in LLE development. though apparently input lag is still an issue

[hearty python]

Nice, that sounds good

[wanton sun]

ares made great progress. There is however one decision i'm not happy with: they dropped the software RDP, you can only do it with vulkan now. Debugging that is a nightmare

[zenith orchid]

yikes. vulkan is mandatory

[wanton sun]

so i still keep a old repo from before that change if i have to research things

[marble cargo]

I get why they would use Vulkan, as tapping into the GPU for rendering offloads processing on the CPU.

[cerulean elk]

I need to try Ares. Have yet to

[wanton sun]

ares with software rdp was too slow to play games with. Not as bad as my emu, as ares doesn't emulate the full CPU and RSP pipeline, but still slow. So i can understand the decision from a "playing-games" perspective

[cerulean elk]

people keep asking me about it

[zenith orchid]

Yeah the main thing that was off-putting for me with N64 emulation were all these plug-ins, and figuring out which are most compatible or up to date

so I didn't bother with N64 emulation for the longest time

I had a similar issue with PSX emulators

[cerulean elk]

I haven't really bothered to try much with N64 emulation. I did Deck. It was a bit hitchy and some games showed errors.

it played Bomberman Hero 100%. That's all I needed for my flight lol

[zenith orchid]

yeah it makes sense from a research perspective to keep it in. I guess it wouldn't benefit those who just want to play games

I think playing N64 games on wii virtual console was the last time I used N64 emulation, and it was okay

[hollow rune]

For me N64 emulation never feels right. It is always off enough to make it unfun. Mario 64 on 3D All-Stars was good though

[cerulean elk]

for me its always the hitching

[zenith orchid]

yeah it didn't feel quite like the original thing, but it somewhat scratched the itch

[hollow rune]

I 100 percenter that version

[cerulean elk]

uneven framepacing and some stutters

[zenith orchid]

you'd think Nintendo would port the sm64 source code to run natively on the newer hardware

[topaz otter]

I'm beginning to believe they lost it

[zenith orchid]

wasn't it in the gigaleak?

[dreamy ridge]

i thought they had to reverse engineer it

[drowsy lantern]

If the Gigaleak has shown us anything, is that Nintendo doesn't ever lose anything. 😅

[zenith orchid]

they just couldn't be bothered to shell out the man hours

the product will sell anyway

[dreamy ridge]

that's nintendo's modern day mantra: "F it, they'll buy it anyway"

[zenith orchid]

yeah, they're kinda the Apple of game consoles

only not as overpriced

[dreamy ridge]

i have to say, playing the n64 test builds on a ps5 controller feels really good. i used to think mario 64 only felt right on a oem controller

[zenith orchid]

I'm guessing you're using the right analog stick for c buttons?

[hearty python]

Thought that Nintendo is now able to do a higher output on games, cause they can concentrate on only one system.

[cerulean elk]

I’ve been using the Switch Pro controller. Works decent enough

For testing

[dreamy ridge]

yeah exactly, nudging the camera with it feels great

[zenith orchid]

I still wonder if the game cube ever used the diagonals on the c stick 😂

I'm wondering if accidentally going diagonal could mess up your game

[zinc dew]

Did you run the controller test? If it’s not a perfect square octagon you might as well throw your MiSTer in the trash!!

[plush summit]

The Dualsense actually works well, I can also confirm

[zenith orchid]

how does DS3 square up with the controller test? thats what I have

[dreamy ridge]

i could really feel the octagon range when i was playing QWEST sixty-four

[zinc dew]

DAMNIT, even new people are onto my bullshit!!

[zinc dew]

Good reminder that an FPGA doesn’t mean anything you write for it is automatically a 1:1 recreation. It demands great knowledge and programming mastery to be able to convert it, much like making an emulator in software.

[zenith orchid]

yeah its simply a superior canvas for accurate emulation.

[native mesa]

Not a single meeting today 🙂

[zinc dew]

Mini rant: I love the enthusiasm people have for FPGA and it’s a compelling technology that has clear benefits for emulation. I just wish they’d focus on the tech less and praise core developers more. The FPGA is just a tool which requires a true craftsman to use it.

[zenith orchid]

ok boomer

[zenith orchid]

jokes aside though, FPGA is pure sorcery for a lot of people, they have no idea how much skill or effort it takes

[native mesa]

I had to mess with one in college for an assembly class

Fuck assembly

[zinc dew]

Here’s the version that the N64 never got

[zenith orchid]

I like 8 bit assembly, its kinda fun, though still tedious AF

[native mesa]

perfect

Imagine if Nintendo and Square didn't part ways

We might have had Super Mario RPG 2

[zenith orchid]

paper mario?

[uneven dagger]

Couple of years ago I taught myself assembly by converting the ancient arcade game The Pit to the ZX Spectrum. Nearly broke my brain. No idea how they did it in the 80s without the benefit of modern IDEs and debugging.

[native mesa]

not even comparable

They printed everything on paper dokdave

[zinc dew]

yeah @uneven dagger, it’s paper!

[zenith orchid]

some day I'd like to make C64 and NES games in 6502 assembly. so it's also on my bucket list to write a software emulator for both in C, and then make FPGA cores for them, not just for the coding experience, but also to gain an in depth familiarity with both systems.

I bet nothing can make you more familiar with a system than to develop an FPGA core for it

[thick terrace]

I write apple ][ games in assembly language. It's actually pretty simple most of the time. Once you solve how to do a certain thing, you don't have to figure it out again. You make a framework with all the code that does all the background stuff, and then it's just like any higher programming language - you set up the data and call the framework routines to do the heavy lifting.

[cerulean elk]

I’m always surprised people think FPGA chips are new tech

Then I show them the inside of an M2 prototype controller with an FPGA chip or a mid 90s arcade board with an FPGA on it

[orchid nimbus]

I wrote 2 games in z80 assembly for the MSX - it was fun

[cerulean elk]

But yes I try to equate it to people like cameras; sure you can have an incredible camera (or FPGA chip) but it’s an inert tool that requires the person using it to provide the talent and knowledge

[zenith orchid]

Considering that I was once in that camp, I can relate to those who think FPGA is new tech. Until recently, you'd have to be a perhaps an electrical engineering major or work directly with electronics to know what an FPGA is, especially in the 90s

[cerulean elk]

They’ve def become mainstream as far as recognition is concerned between MiSTer and Analogue so it makes sense people think FPGA chips are new tech

[primal bolt]

(Nintendo)

[zinc dew]

Admittedly I only heard of FPGA because of the KevTris worshipping from Analog

[zenith orchid]

yeah.. kids in the 90s couldn't have known that there were super computers in the 70s and 80s that were 64-bit

[primal bolt]

I forget where I heard about it

[plush summit]

I think it all comes back to cycles, the kids who grew up on Retro games are skilled enough now and the FPGAs have gotten available, it was a perfect storm of things

[primal bolt]

Like Cray computers at Montauk

[zenith orchid]

available and affordable

[plush summit]

The first time I've heard of it was because of MLiG

[zenith orchid]

I heard of the MiST project when I was exploring the Amiga community, and eventually heard about MiSTer in some reddit post. had no idea the potential back then

I liked that it saved a lot of space and power compared to having a real amiga

and there's no input lag..

so I strongly considered getting one, but kept putting it off

[plush summit]

My main problem was that I never wanted to commit to a product that only had ONE console in mind. The only viable one was the NT Mini because I own games and controllers, but I knew I had to spend more on an Everdrive for the Super NT

[zinc dew]

Yeah same, especially when I already had a working NES/CRT and tons of games. Didn’t get the point.

[zenith orchid]

yeah that was part of it.. because it was just an Amiga and Atari ST, as far as I remember

[zinc dew]

There’s a fantastic argument and reason for those devices but they weren’t for me and that’s ok.

[zenith orchid]

Honestly I wish I did get a MiSTer back then, because I started collecting consoles that I probably wouldn't have collected, that I never touch these days.

[zinc dew]

lol I would’ve skipped out on all the mini consoles myself

[worn delta]

Well you might want to look at how much the consoles you bought have appreciated in value since then. Anyone who has regrets about buying retro stuff generally doesn't when they see how everything goes for on eBay now

[plush summit]

The controllers make the mini consoles worth keeping though

[cerulean elk]

I knew it existed but I got so many YT comments with people asking me about it I said fuck it…lemme get one

That was three years ago now

[zenith orchid]

Yep. De-10 nanos were also cheaper and much more available. $150 a pop

I paid $180 for my second one

[orchid nimbus]

$140 when I bought my first

[remote hatch]

same 140$

2019

[thick terrace]

$130

[orchid nimbus]

I pulled the trigger in december 2019

after gamesack posted an episode and I watched a smokemonster youtube video

gamesack was complaining about slow-loading MSX games on the core - well someone used the heaviest ZIP compression for some reason... a z80 doesn't have that much power

so I decided to figure out if I could do better 😛

and thus I got my blue color lol 😄

[primal bolt]

this is true

[plush summit]

The MiSTer really sounded like it was too good to be true, but the reactions and data don't lie

[primal bolt]

Can always sell them, and probably make a little profit

I sold all my consoles except Genesis and PSX. Can't really get much for them so I kept them

ill never even use them again

[daring meteor]

Wait hang on

What gets you the blue color?

[cerulean elk]

I might be the only person buying MORE hardware while advocating for MiSTer lol

[daring meteor]

I wanna blue color too

[primal bolt]

cause you can afford it

I think you are nuts

you could probably get $100,000 selling your stuff

I would sell every arcade board that is on mister

[cerulean elk]

I very specifically dont say the value of my collection lol...I dont need a target on my back

[plush summit]

I'm just curious about @zinc dew's co-workers reaction to FPGA, since I used to roll in the industry, I've been blowing people's minds left and right lol

[cerulean elk]

none of @zinc dew coworkers talk to him. Personal hygeine issues I've heard (sorry Robby. You started the shit talking meme)

[primal bolt]

im just throwing out a wild guess

100k isnt alot of money but its better than having stuff you dont need

or will never use again

but I get wanting to collect... its addicting

[cerulean elk]

its...higher

lol

[primal bolt]

im sure

[cerulean elk]

Its one of those things...one day I will sell it all

probably for a bigger house. Liquidate and put a CHUNK of down payment down

[primal bolt]

I only stopped collecting cause I needed money for more important things

[cerulean elk]

I have no kids. Nobody to leave it to. I cant be buried with it

[plush summit]

@cerulean elk what does modding do to the value of hardware? does it increase value or keeps it the same?

[cerulean elk]

depends on the hardware

modded common console? Ups value

mod something like a prototype dev Pippin or an M2? I'd argue it lowers value

RARE requires STOCK

[fair stump]

you have to pick one neo geo game to be buried with, which is it?

[cerulean elk]

easy. Matrimelee

[plush summit]

I figured Arcade boards are better kept in tact, I wouldn't sell an HDMI modded N64 for less 😛

[cerulean elk]

you dont want to go fucking with CAVE boards or anything

but an OG battery backed CPS 2 boards vs a Phoenix'd board...bout par in values

the "breaks easily" shit is usually more coveted as "already broke...and repaired. Its stress free now"

[plush summit]

You're a real hustler 😎

[primal bolt]

None cause cremation

also if you are too attached to things you might get stuck as a ghost

[cerulean elk]

like we have the ability to mod in custom BIOS' into a 3DO M2 FZ-21 board now

We can even switch bios files on the fly

but I am not going to take a pristine FZ-21 and mod it

[desert crow]

I heard warehouse raid

[fallen sparrow]

Arrived quickly

[cerulean elk]

you bought the wrong one

Tribute 69 is the right one

[primal bolt]

I want M2 on mister

with backwards compat

[fallen sparrow]

I wanted 63 and a 3rd

[cerulean elk]

I sent chips to an engineer friend in florida for decap

Bulldog. The custom ASIC that handles graphics/mpeg/other things

[primal bolt]

awesome

[cerulean elk]

two NOS chips

the 603 is well known. Still need to deal with CE32 which handles a lot of IO/folio/OS/driver shit

and other things

[zinc dew]

None of them have heard of the term FPGA unless they’re into retro gaming and even then it’s not a guarantee. Usually only people who own an Analog console are familiar with it.

Exceedingly rare to find a game dev with a MiSTer. The only other person I know is a programmer friend of mine who bought one after I showed him the British micro computer cores. He bought it in a whim when he went to the Retro Cave in the UK while he was visiting family.

In fact one my good friends (another ex-id designer) and the only other one with a bigger retro gaming collection than myself, never even heard of MiSTer until I brought it up.

[cerulean elk]

I am sure on the software side its not really common. Now go over to the hardware engineering teams at Sony/MS/Nintendo and you will probably hit a LOT of fans

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s probably true, my perspective is only game devs

I put out the good word in a lot of game dev social circles I’m in

[cerulean elk]

SDK and dev kids just obscure the bits inside

[drowsy junco]

Nice! My red one is also coming today

[native mesa]

Better off selling stuff now before FPGA lowers the value of it all

People are starting to run arcades with mister cabinets

[worn delta]

I don't think we have ever seen any form of emulation reduce the value of major consoles, they just keep going up and up in value.

[fallen sparrow]

Sweet

[worn delta]

It's nuts how much N64 has gone up in the past 5 years

[zinc dew]

Emulation always increases value

Suikoden 2 port is going to make that game skyrocket in value

[worn delta]

People used to give away their old N64s and games they were worth so little

[fallen sparrow]

This is true

[zinc dew]

Younger generations now have disposable income

So they want to buy what they grew up with

[vagrant ivy]

Gosh its like HW thats getting older and rare goes up in value. Who would thave thought it !

[zinc dew]

PS1/N64/Saturn is hot now

[worn delta]

We also have older people with disposible income wanting to relive their childhood and rebuy what they had and what theyh missed out on

[zinc dew]

Younger generations will outspend them

[native mesa]

What will the nostalgia drug be for kids in 30 years? Fortnite and mr beast videos?

[zinc dew]

They don’t understand or know the value of retro games so they’ll plop down $100 on that $20 used game and forever bump that game’s value up

[cerulean elk]

if only PS2/GameCube/Xbox era would get hot...then I could sell vids to my audience

[worn delta]

And a lot of "geeky" younger people in high paid tech jobs without dependencies with a lot of money to throw about, I think this is a big part of why retro games, collector cards, Warhammer, certain vinyl records (Aphex Twin notably) go for silly money now

[cerulean elk]

anything past PS1 era is just a fail for me

[zinc dew]

Oh it’s hot but it hasn’t reached near the peak

Xbox won’t ever be hot

It’s the Genesis of that era

[native mesa]

What about Vice City!?

[worn delta]

Gamecube has been getting pricey for last few years

[zinc dew]

yeah it’s gonna go nuts, Nintendo always sells the most

[worn delta]

Wii and Wii U are where to be buying now before the prices rocket in the future

[native mesa]

There very little benefit of a GameCube over a wii

[zinc dew]

Smash audience spiked interested earlier than usual in GameCube

[native mesa]

Unless you're a super stickler for video signal

[zinc dew]

I’m terms of practicality? None. In terms of nostalgia? Huge benefit.

[worn delta]

You are asuming people are playing these things, a lot are just collecting

[zinc dew]

Ignoring the whole GBA adapter thing

[native mesa]

I always make my decisions on practicality not fee fees

[zinc dew]

you’re the extreme minority

[worn delta]

Easier to get good HDMI out of a GC with an adaptor than it is for Wii

[native mesa]

It's the games I enjoy not the rituals to experience them

[zinc dew]

Yup, that’s how it should be imo

But everyone enjoys retro for different reasons and it’s all wonderful

[vagrant ivy]

Dolphin is the way to play Gamecube, Wii And WiiU

[cerulean elk]

doesn't matter. I cant make "modern" work

[vagrant ivy]

sorry wiiu is Cemu

[primal bolt]

Xbox was just good for the multiplatform stuff to get a better image, performance

and its 20 exclusives or whatever

PS2 is the king for the library

[zinc dew]

Xbox has a ton of awesome exclusives, it’s legitimately a fantastic console. But it doesn’t have the retro cache as the PS2 or GameCube.

So it’s not desirable

[primal bolt]

a ton?

[zinc dew]

For me? Yes.

[primal bolt]

isnt it like 20 good ones?

[zinc dew]

For you? Probably not.

[onyx minnow]

xbox was the first decent HTPC 🙂

[primal bolt]

i use to have 350 games on xbox

[onyx minnow]

xbmc was ahead of its time

[primal bolt]

the modding was great

at the time

[cerulean elk]

Munch's Odyssey!

[primal bolt]

PC

[zinc dew]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Xbox-only_games

It doesn’t list PC cross-platform so stuff like Morrowind isn’t there although I’d count it myself.

[primal bolt]

Morrowind is so much better on PC, though

[zinc dew]

Sure is but I still enjoyed it on Xbox

Same with DOOM 3, major downgrade but still fun.

[primal bolt]

yeah you can enjoy it

[zinc dew]

I mean I get you

Why play it on Xbox? 100% valid

but I dunno, it was fun to go back to after playing Morrowind on PC. The BC on the Series X is neat too

[primal bolt]

i played the hell out of Fallout 3 and Oblivion on 360

[random bloom]

I's argue some games are better on Xbox than PC on the balance of things. Surround sound and near universal 480p with some 720p. Can't play the Tony Hawk games in surround on PC even if you can play them in higher res and can't play them in higher res on GC or PS2 for example

[zinc dew]

Haha me too. I think it was close enough to the PC where I was fine with it.

[primal bolt]

I didn't have a GPU at the time

[primal bolt]

This is true for some games, not sure how many though

Ninja Gaiden might still be best on Xbox

I think they changed it for the PC port? not sure

[random bloom]

Yeah, not heaps, but definitely some. Older games are difficult to get working with surround on PC if you're into that.

And yeah, they used Sigma which was the ps3 port for PC version of Ninja Gaiden

[zinc dew]

@primal bolt but to get to your original point, I would absolutely put Breakdown on my personal list of good Xbox exclusives but I totally get no one else doing that lol

[primal bolt]

oh that reminds me.... DeathRow I loved on Xbox

thats a cool exclusive

[zinc dew]

So I’m being a bad mod, steering it back to N64, I think there’s a lot of nostalgia that falls in that camp too. I’d imagine there’s someone out there who liked StarCraft 64 lol

[primal bolt]

its sad that GTA 4 runs better on Xbox BC than PC

[zinc dew]

Damn I wish I had a cool transparent red version

[primal bolt]

I got a lot of nostaligia for N64

[zinc dew]

I genuinely love that system

Even though the PS1 is my retro all time fave lol

[primal bolt]

I am more excited to play N64 now on MiSTer than back when I played it for some reason

[zinc dew]

Hahahaha

[fallen sparrow]

Let me know what you think of it?
It might be my next purchase if I like the feel of the wired one.

Main thing is, how solid is the connection

[primal bolt]

When I got Dreamcast I stopped playing N64

[cerulean elk]

new cores make old things exciting again

[vague sun]

I’m contemplating a NSO N64 controller, or should I look at one of the other new choices out there? I could also use a usb/SNAC adapter as I have a few nice N64 controllers around.

[cerulean elk]

like I want to replay SM64 and I just did that with the all stars collection some time ago

but really I want a DK64 playthrough again. Its been some years since I did that

collect shit till I die

[primal bolt]

I would go with USB/SNAC if you got good condition ones

[orchid nimbus]

I had a issue connecting until I figured out I could reset the pairing - after that it took 3 seconds - connection is solid

[vague sun]

I’ve had a UltraHDMI modded teal N64 collecting dust for years, but for some reason the N64 becoming a mister core has me hyped for it again.

[orchid nimbus]

Also ready for snac 😉

[primal bolt]

im gonna play them all again cause its been many years

[fallen sparrow]

Cool, that's the issue I had with the retro bit SNES one, connection would come and go

[cerulean elk]

only controller ive had connections with wireless is the 8BitDO PC Engine one

rarely but occasionally it will just lag out by seconds

[fallen sparrow]

The fun is often in the trying

[fallen sparrow]

My pc engine one is solid

[cerulean elk]

it may just be my house. plaster and chicken wire walls eat wireless signals

1870s construction

[fallen sparrow]

Gotcha

[nova grotto]

Is that a Hori mini pad ? or a bootleg ?

[native mesa]

Jet Set Radio Future is probably the only worthwhile Xbox exclusive

[vagrant ivy]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0BFD8YBT9/

[mild ether]

Halo?

[primal bolt]

MCC

[mild ether]

Steel Battalion

[drowsy lantern]

That stick/dpad/button placement should be illegal.

[native mesa]

I guess Halo if you want the original shaders

[primal bolt]

$400 controller you need for Steel Battalion

[native mesa]

My buddy has the steel battalion controller still

[primal bolt]

Halo shaders are fine on MCC

they really fixed it up over the years

[mild ether]

I got one in my shed.

[native mesa]

But even Halo 1 had the original PC port

[fallen sparrow]

Dpad definitely looks off, but I'll try and see if it's comfortable

[primal bolt]

Halo 2 also had a PC port

[native mesa]

FPS games belong on KBM anyway

[primal bolt]

Yea but Halo is the only one good on a controller... and GoldenEye i guess

Perfect Dark too probably

[native mesa]

Ever play goldeneye source back in the day?

[mild ether]

Ok, I got the real killer exclusive for Xbox.

DOA Beach Volleyball

[primal bolt]

no but I heard of it

yea thats a good exclusive

I really liked Deathrow

[silent marten]

Sudeki??

[little socket]

Now that is a missed opportunity of using a cps2 a+b as a tombstone

[native mesa]

I am considering putting an Xbox where the N64 vacancy is gonna be

Just hard to justify

I have DC and PS2

[primal bolt]

i have an xbox but its just sitting in storage

[cerulean elk]

Nah. Roll me in a ditch. Don’t spend any money on my corpse

[native mesa]

It really would just be a JSRF machine

[worn delta]

Just make sure you yank out the suicide capacitor if you have an OG Xbox

[cerulean elk]

I told my wife sell it to science. Make a buck

[primal bolt]

yea i need to do that

[mild ether]

They burst and wreck the mobo.

[native mesa]

What do you guys use to play SD content from a library?

[worn delta]

Vinegar clears up battery acid

[native mesa]

I've tried PS2 video players over NAS

[mild ether]

I had pristine Development Kit and it broke my heart to crack it open to pull the capacitor.

[native mesa]

Does Mister have a video player that can do mkv yet?

[worn delta]

No

[native mesa]

h264 ideally

[orchid nimbus]

The name is right on the box

[worn delta]

I don't think that would be feasible

[little socket]

OG xbox?

[mild ether]

How about a mp3 player and Bitcoin miner in one core?

[worn delta]

h664 video

[native mesa]

PS1 core can play mp3 CDs can't it?

[carmine kettle]

what the verdict bootleg or not bootleg?

[mild ether]

I don't know but I believe Sega Saturn can do VCDs

Wait, you needed a card for that.

[worn delta]

An actual Saturn can do VCD if you have a VCD card that is plugged into the back

[mild ether]

Yeah, I forgot about that.

[worn delta]

I actually started making a sheet that covered what consoles could play what disc based media, I need to finish that off

[mild ether]

I don't believe PS1 could do mp3s.

[drowsy lantern]

The PS1 can play regular audio CDs but not MP3 CDs.

[native mesa]

Dang

[mild ether]

That was a little early for mp3s.

[native mesa]

Well you'll just have to make a bunch of mix CD images

[drowsy lantern]

However there's a homebrew app that lets you play MP3s. Not sure if it works or how good it is.

[mild ether]

Really? I would have thought PS1 didn't have the snot to do mp3 playback.

[hollow rune]

Could a CD player be connected via SNAC and play CDs on PSX core? I know this is a silly use case, just curious

[drowsy lantern]

I only saw that it exists. I have no idea if it's any good.

[native mesa]

I'd like to see it someday. For cartridges too. Not that I'd need it

[worn delta]

Keep in mind MiSTer doesn't do 44khz, but 48khz, so it's not going to be the best way to listen to CDs or mps3s

[mild ether]

Usually devices of that era had chips specifically for mp3 decoding because it took a bit of processing power to do. Wouldn't work on 486s for example.

[worn delta]

I don't know if you could make an mp3 player for the ARM chip

[cerulean elk]

People are so excited bout N64 im now even getting DD questions on YT lol

[hollow rune]

Will MiSTer bring back RaphNET? lol

Is that what it was called?

[cerulean elk]

Self burn 🤣

[mild ether]

Media player for MiSTer would be kinda cool. I could use it like my old modded Xbox in my living room but easy enough to just use the android TV options.

[cerulean elk]

That ones for you @wanton sun

[worn delta]

Someone was looking into doing a VCD, and maybe DVD player for MiSTer, but early stages and may not be possible. I do wonder if this sort of thing will be easier on a future board.

[orchid nimbus]

get an RPi zero W does the same and it $5

[cerulean elk]

Here goes nothing lol

[mild ether]

I was just thinking it would be nifty as an extra feature so it basically replaced the way I used the modded Xbox. Classic games and XBMC.

[mild ether]

I got an android TV so don't really need an extra media player only and definitely don't need an extra cheap emulator setup.

[cerulean elk]

2001 monolith confirmed

[orchid nimbus]

2 batteries

[mild ether]

There is a mp3 player for n64! namp64

[lilac scroll]

I never did and mine has surely blown by now

[worn delta]

You may be OK, and could be lucky and have the revision that doesn't have it (one of my two was like this and annoyingly didn't find out until I pulled it all apart)

If it has leaked pullit out and clean it up with vinegar and a cue tip / cotton bud and you may be fine

[lilac scroll]

I had the more coveted Samsung drive unit

[mild ether]

https://youtu.be/99RYXKLrH1Q?si=z2w03BQdC8TNHV5S

[worn delta]

I would definitely see to this ASAP, as it will eventually ruin it but you are probably OK just now and it's salvagable

Which reminds me, I need to turn my Wii U on and hope it hasn't bricked its self

[carmine kettle]

dont open it just do i did put it away lol

[mild ether]

Makes sense n64 would be able to with that processor I guess.

[cerulean elk]

Haha it’s open

Those shoulder buttons 🤔 I dunno

[carmine kettle]

all in one system

[cerulean elk]

And no wall wart. Where’s my wart

[carmine kettle]

lost in the mail

[orchid nimbus]

lost in walmart

[cerulean elk]

But for real wtf power source does this thing want

Guess it’s iPhone charger time

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk what did you buy now?

[lament escarp]

I can't really imagine the pocket for gba games because of that. The sp was at least a bit angled to provide better access to the shoulders.

[cerulean elk]

Now? Try 13 months ago

[cerulean elk]

Yeah I give everything an open mind because I enjoy most things but I genuinely dunno bout those shoulders

@fallen sparrow how yours feel?

[lament escarp]

If I had one I'd try it too^^

[cerulean elk]

First takeaway…the Dock box smells like vinegar lol

It’s a strong vinegar smell

[fallen sparrow]

I hate the shoulders. They are okay, when they are used for things like inventory, or something you don't use frequently.

CV CotM is okay with shoulders

CV HoD is horrible with shoulders, having to dash.

Another thing that's a bit crap, is you can't remap cartridge game controls, but in openFPGA you can map L and R to the face buttons, but you lose filters.

CV HoD plays better with dash on face buttons

[cerulean elk]

I assume the wall wart with the Dock just charges pocket eh?

[fallen sparrow]

What do you mean?

[cerulean elk]

Big Jaguar vibes

[cyan pagoda]

Wowie lucky 😦 mines still preparing for weeks now

[fallen sparrow]

I got a USA plug with mine, so I use my Google pixel charger with the dock

[fallen sparrow]

Charges and video out

[cerulean elk]

That power brick. Only thing in the box for Pocket is usb C cable

[topaz otter]

I knew because i read jurassic park

[fallen sparrow]

Mines still in the box

15w phone charger with PD works fine

[vagrant ivy]

Pocket isnt N64 You are in the wrong Channel !

[manic basin]

It's higher amp than most. The dock won't work with lower amp supplies and does weird stuff. You can charge the pocket on pretty much any supply, albeit slowly.

[cerulean elk]

That’s what I figured

[lament escarp]

Aren't there analouge pocket cores on mister?

[manic basin]

My big miss item in the design is you can't connect the dock to a pc for file transfers. So you have to remove it to do anything. Though, they're so slow you'll be pulling the card out for anything substantial.

[cerulean elk]

Yes. This is wholly needless for me

But I like playing with shit on camera and 13 months ago me was intrigued lol. Today me I’m not sure

[vagrant ivy]

#fpga-platforms is the place to discuss the pocket please dont pollute the N64 channel

[lament escarp]

A agree. The pocket is pollution.

[cerulean elk]

We’re just chatting but ok…back to N64

[lament escarp]

Did anyone notice that star shaped thing in mario 64s shadow? Is that a transparency thing?

[manic basin]

🙄

[fallen sparrow]

N64 Pocket wen?😂

[cerulean elk]

There. Dock compatibility confirmed. In topic 😂

[manic basin]

Shadow anus is what I've been calling it.

[brisk edge]

Lol

[fallen sparrow]

Does it upscale the N64?

[cerulean elk]

Even better

And yes I just shoved that into the cart slot 😂

[fallen sparrow]

That's not gonna work, unless you put it the right way up

[cerulean elk]

Too big. Wouldn’t fit. I hear that a lot in life

[fallen sparrow]

Gonna use this pick

[manic basin]

I'm going to be on the road for 9 hours today. So I'm betting Robert is just going to drop the completed core when I leave the house....

[lament escarp]

I wish there was some obscure piece of nintendo documentation that would make that name official

[lament escarp]

He's quiet. Too quiet. Must be scheming something.

[cerulean elk]

Who gave you time off???

No it’ll be tomorrow. My wife’s day off

[native mesa]

Likely

[manic basin]

Idaho bound (but not far enough east to wave to @graceful radish)

[silent marten]

He is defo scheming something

[carmine kettle]

core probably drop tomorrow

or midnight release

[manic basin]

I'll return to the mines. It's too bright on the surface anyway.

[silent marten]

He did say yesterday he will release something small today and then something big on the weekend

[lament escarp]

He probably finished the rdp and got lost in mario kart or brian64.

[carmine kettle]

ill wait for the weekend

when im free, i think

[wanton sun]

was thinking about the copy mode texture mem access scheme for about 48 hours now...need to do it today or else i will miss another night 😅

[cerulean elk]

Lol we aren’t gonna hit you if you don’t

[fair stump]

so relatable 😅

[cerulean elk]

You could always just go to the bar and tie one on

[wanton sun]

there is no bar where i live 😦

[cerulean elk]

You live in Germany and you aren’t close to a bar?

That’s like living in Chicago and not being close to a shooting

I don’t even understand

[carmine kettle]

bar at home

[fallen sparrow]

Damn, that's long

[wanton sun]

i would have to drive with the car, but then i don't get back

[cerulean elk]

That’s what seats recline flat

[wanton sun]

i could take the bus, the first is around 6 am 😛

[lament escarp]

Come down south I'll go with you.

[silent marten]

I am happy with everything you release but I was kinda hoping for 2 pass renderer so we have ground textures

[manic basin]

And boring. Thankfully I have my....oh, we don't talk about those. Right. But I'm sorted. Luckily I'm not behind the wheel so I can disassociate.

[wanton sun]

the times where i slept in the car are long gone 😦

[lament escarp]

Let him do it his way. That means copy mode will be the small thing, imagine what the big thing for the weekend will be!

[carmine kettle]

just wait for the weekend

dont release nada today

[silent marten]

I am letting him do it his way 🙂

[lament escarp]

That doesn't work. Every time someone says it he gets faster.

[manic basin]

@cerulean elk I've been in contact with the Buck Bumble artist, btw. He's passed the YouTube info on to his rights manager, James. I hope if it's NOT them claiming they can get it sorted.

[native mesa]

You deserve nothing

[kind nimbus]

Vampier hows that update_n64 script going

[cerulean elk]

well then look at that

[cerulean elk]

never underestimate yourself

[languid dune]

Whoa whoa whoa! Are you...are you saying that your love of the Qwest is a sham!? Say it ain't so Robby!

[manic basin]

At least say your Bug! love is real!

[languid dune]

The ultimate betrayal.

[weak hill]

do you recommend it?

[lament escarp]

He made me love brian. At first a thought it was a meme, but the more I learn about the 4 different elements of magic and the battlesystem, the more I get hyped to play it!

[languid dune]

Love the dedication. 👍

[manic basin]

I've personally had stuff cataloged by claim trolls (all our stuff is Creative Commons SA) so it's personal to me, hehe. I don't mind people getting paid. Just not scam artists.

[languid dune]

Yeah, I've heard that's a major problem on Youtube.

[manic basin]

The Gamers: Dorkness Rising had a troll in Germany that claimed it on yt and got Amazon to mark them as the rights holder. Took us two years to get it fixed. 😦

[cerulean elk]

Huge problem

I need to Reddit a video because someone claimed the intro attract sequence as their own material. A Sega game…claimed by an Indian individual

Only thing I claim is when people steal my in camera shots for their videos and don’t ask

But I do immediately copyright strike that unapologetically

[fallen sparrow]

Haven't tried it yet, but will do over the weekend

[languid dune]

People have no shame. 🤦

[fallen sparrow]

Re-edit, damn I was reading it wrong

[native mesa]

How can you tell

[languid dune]

It's his own content.

[fallen sparrow]

I think maybe he means, how do you discover?

As you'd have to watch videos

Or does YT tell you?

[mild ether]

Sandeep might have bought Sega you never know.

[cerulean elk]

People tell me when they see it

[fallen sparrow]

Sweet

[cerulean elk]

sometimes YT pings me

[languid dune]

Always good to know that the fans have your back. 👍

[fallen sparrow]

Friends in high pkaces

[cerulean elk]

most people ask before they do it. Some dont. Some use and credit...and I let that slide with a nice "hey next time ask please. I will say yes"....but if its "take content, no credit"....strike!

[thick terrace]

i just got back from the dentist... anything new?

[cerulean elk]

hopefully your clean teeth...otherwise no

[languid dune]

Robby's betrayal of the Qwest fandom!

[thick terrace]

new temporary lowers. my upper denture is off being relined. gotta go back later todar to get it

[cerulean elk]

that was what my old man specialized in as a dentist

dentures, etc etc

mostly on the innovation / inventions side

[orchid nimbus]

not started yet

[thick terrace]

I got a fortune cookie message: "Stop compulsively making things worse."

[compact depot]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[orchid nimbus]

my favorite one I got was 'apply to the basics and progress will follow' I taped it on my computer at work for 3 years - trully a good thing to do 😛

[orchid nimbus]

NO, you're not my dad!

[neon heron]

Was it to try to grab profits? That really sucks.

[orchid nimbus]

@compact depot @kind nimbus [Ok] Internet Connection Found [ATTENTION] !!! Run update_all or downloader as well !!! [Action] checking for directory '/media/fat/games/N64' [Ok] Directory '/media/fat/games/N64' found, nothing to do here [Ok] The file '/media/fat/games/N64/boot.rom' already exists [Ok] The file '/media/fat/games/N64/N64-database.txt' already exists #download latest core based on my own uploads to vampier.net goes here [Warning] Download Failed - Please Try Again Later [Ok] N64 Core all updated! Have fun [Ok] The file '/media/fat/Scripts/MiSTer_unstable_20230821_16ed5d' already exists [Ok] Mister Main Unstable Core MiSTer_unstable_20230821_16ed5d Already the Latest version, nothing to do here All done! Have fun

will update later this weekend

[manic basin]

Yeah, they were straight up selling it on Amazon DE and were striking people on YT.

[mild ether]

Just needs to sync up a no intro set and it is fool proof.

[orchid nimbus]

@whole tulip has not automated the build of the alpha N64 core - so I cannot use his services. I will have to downioad and manually upload the version posted in #test-builds

some archive has a cool no-intro set

[worn delta]

And a cool htgdb Everdrive pack 😉

[orchid nimbus]

not happy with the Everdrive pack -has versions that are hacked to run on the everdrive with an intro

[worn delta]

Problem with us being on an unstable Main is anything added to update all will overwrite with latest Main

[orchid nimbus]

@worn delta either you live dangeriously or you wait till a stable version 😄

[worn delta]

Hopefully soon Robert thinks the core is at the point it can be added to Main and unstable nightlies, and the updates need in MiSTer Main can be merged into the official build. Then the .txt file can be grabbed by update script and bios files added to bios DB, and then everything will be there with a run of update all

[native mesa]

Stable main works fine for me

[orchid nimbus]

@worn delta I will make the script the same as the PSX

you can select if you want to run on the unstable mister or not

[wanton sun]

i had no idea the scaler does some nice effect when there is no video signal ever

[orchid nimbus]

cool

[kind nimbus]

its beautiful

[wanton sun]

not sure what happens on a crt however, so i better fix it 🙂

would have been a nice start when no game was loaded yet. Reminds me of C64 loading screens

[native mesa]

Imagine if N64 had a bios screen

[wanton sun]

we could do a custom PIF-ROM that writes MiSTer on the screen 😉

[native mesa]

QueSTer64

[wanton sun]

or maybe this:

[silent marten]

Lynx ❤️

[worn delta]

Are there files that are hacked aside from Aleck64 and 64DD?

[lament escarp]

"INSERT BRIAN64"

[neon heron]

Can you do that, then the c64 raster bars as the rom is loaded?

[mild ether]

Is there a map of how the PIF is structured?

[wanton sun]

yes

https://www.retroreversing.com/n64bootcode

sorry wrong link, that is the second stage

https://n64brew.dev/wiki/Initial_Program_Load#IPL1

[mild ether]

Thank you.

[manic basin]

I just wrote a c# tool to detect from the first 4032 boot bytes and hash it to lookup the cic. It's an interesting system. Ish.

*cic not pif, my bad.

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun drinking this to celebrate you and your core. PROST!

[wanton sun]

🙂

[lean spruce]

Beautiful!!

[orchid nimbus]

time compare runs coming soon 😄 (real vs core)