Nintendo 64

[weary palm]

Funny how you can get better framerate on the Chinese and Shindou versions of SM64, just because of some silly optimization flag. (-o3)?

[mild ether]

@weary palm are you really doing the decomp code?

[wanton sun]

is it higher FPS on the core also with these versions?

[cerulean elk]

Nintendo basically didn’t know what they were doing with the hardware at the start either with their games

[weary palm]

Yes, if I'm not imagining things. 🙂

[manic basin]

Can you add a note to the DK one to set the CIC? Just so other people aren't as stupid as I am?

[weary palm]

Or just add the md5 to your database file, dunno what's more preferable.

[orchid nimbus]

which CIC?

[weary palm]

6105

[orchid nimbus]

thanks

added

[mild ether]

Cool, I will have to teach myself how to do it.

[orchid nimbus]

Isn't there a German guy optimizing the code so that it runs much faster on the N64 itself?

[wanton sun]

need to try. this would prove it's only CPU holding back the core (datacache)

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_rzYnXEQlE

[cerulean elk]

Vampier you beat me to it

[lone geyser]

Love Kaze

[cerulean elk]

Shows how unfamiliar Nintendo was with their own code at the beginning

[orchid nimbus]

I have seen some really fun stuff (programming wise) on youtube regarding the n64

I'm not really a coder (I'm a scripter) but it's fun to see all the stuff they come up with to make it faster/optmized etc.

[mild ether]

I probably don't understand how this works at all but how does the decomp produce a rom that is one to one with the old compiled rom? Doesn't it use a different compiler and libraries?

[orchid nimbus]

i think the decomp is a 1:1 documentation

[mild ether]

That is really interesting.

[lone geyser]

It doesn't recreate the same code. Just compiles to the same binary. Libraries and stuff can be decompiled, too

[cerulean elk]

Think of source code @mild ether when you do a BUILD, you are compiling all the source code with the assets to produce a build. The source code is then BUILT and no longer in its original source code state. Decompiling can render that source code back out

[compact depot]

Is this a PC recompile or a native N64 one?

[cerulean elk]

You can use a bunch of tools. Ghidra is popular. We’ve decompiled some M2 stuff on the PowerPC side with it

[weary palm]

native

[cerulean elk]

Windows or Linux based on the GitHub documentation

So modern tool sets

[lone geyser]

You can't decomp variable names and comments, so that needs to be analyzed and manually redone

[lone geyser]

Usually both

But definitely native

[weary palm]

Most of Kaze's stuff runs on real hardware

[lone geyser]

Lots of stuff in the video is N64 specific

[cerulean elk]

Yes it’s not perfect. Sadly there is no one button “decompile to perfect source code”

[lone geyser]

But he's does generic optimizations to account for very new ideas on how to make 3D graphics happen

[weary palm]

Can someone read this for me, please? 😉

[mild ether]

I got that part but I didn't think the new compiler would produce the exact same results as an old compiler. Like it might have new solutions in assembly.

[lone geyser]

If using a different compiler, you account for that

[hearty oar]

You can coax your source code to produce certain instructions, even on modern compilers, although yes it’s very difficult with modern compilers and archs

Like for a large modern software trying to get gcc, clang and msvc to produce the same output would be a fools errand

[mild ether]

Ok, thanks. I got a new rabbit hole to go down this weekend.

[manic basin]

I had to roll back so many of my tools to compile the decomp stuff. The major repos are fine (Lin/win) but any of the forks for specific hardware are locked in time to when they were abandoned. Clang threading changed massively since 2020.

But holy shit is it cool to play 720p SM64 on an Xbox.

[hearty oar]

You can also use it to get a port of SM64 on switch that is a million times better than Nintendo’s “efforts”

Well a hacked switch of course

[cerulean elk]

Some of the M2 tools have been modernized recently. I didn’t do it but we have a modern OS laytool now for fully bootable images with signing based on reverse engineering the few signed original pieces of software I’ve managed to acquire

So now at least we can get out of OS 9.2.2 to build M2 images

[manic basin]

Code signing is like a 'through gritted teeth' thing for me. I am happy to have it 99.9% of the time to ensure my software is safe. But now that there are no open source cert issuers for free...ugh.

[cerulean elk]

I had keys but sadly they had been superseded by a new key in a new rom version for the hardware we were targeting so an end run was made by borrowing files from working software and rebuilding the assets we needed back in and executing them after the key was verified by the boot rom

[hearty oar]

Apple comes to mind…

[night saddle]

"dont piss in the fountain"

[cerulean elk]

Luigi is in another castle Mario

[chilly ember]

"L is real"

[cerulean elk]

https://youtu.be/JD-vcoD_BK0

heyo

[zinc dew]

lol game play counselors didn’t have any access to the programming team in Japan, they made that up.

[manic basin]

Yep

[chilly ember]

Yea I figured :p but that was the rumor forever

[manic basin]

Game counselors were mostly 19 year old Redmond kids who didn't want to go to college.

Someone did pixel comparisons to other known texture text and came up with:
A Secret Star
lie here~

Which if you squint.... kinda.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/08/feature_has_a_decades-old_super_mario_64_mystery_finally_been_cleared_up

[zinc dew]

I mean don’t get me wrong. If I were management there I’d probably put together a throw away explanation too just to have an official reply if I kept getting the same questions.

[cerulean elk]

video now has 100% more Superman 64 jokes for @manic basin

[zinc dew]

That’s really cool, I didn’t know

[chilly ember]

I hear if you run around the fountain 2000 times, you unlock luigi. Make sure to stream your attempts

[manic basin]

If I run around in the other direction does he die? Asking for an uncaring universe....

[cerulean elk]

Mario reverts to baby form

[zinc dew]

also that’s straight up random squiggles with zero meaning

[manic basin]

Yoshi has his work cut out...

[cerulean elk]

like when Superman changed time by circling the globe. He did that yeah?

went back to stop the devs of Superman 64

or to meet Richard Pryor?

[orchid nimbus]

they wrote about my life!!

[manic basin]

An apologist once insisted that the earth 'appeared to go backwards because he himself was flying faster than the speed of light.' Which doesn't explain him turning around to restart it. But it was a good theory up until then.

[cerulean elk]

your fans are worried for you @wanton sun kinda sweet actually

[silent marten]

It says "Go Listen To The Buck Bumble Theme Song"

[cerulean elk]

and be sure to pay the copyright trolls

song wasn't even claimed by an actual owner. Some shell sounding company that apparently abuses copyrights

[silent marten]

Yeah I can't believe that happened

[wanton sun]

they should be worried. You and @fallen sparrow do more videos on the core than i can watch 😛

[cerulean elk]

haha well technically you watched it first as you compiled it and tested it

[fallen sparrow]

I've just finished working on a MARSFPGA video today.

I wonder how that will play out 🤔

[manic basin]

Likely devisive, but it's interesting to me!

[cerulean elk]

can it play Superman 64? if not...boooo

[fallen sparrow]

Haha, probably not

[manic basin]

Some people seem pretty not happy about splitting the community into classes, but we're hitting the limits big time now, so 'what's next' is a valid question.

I wonder if NARC is getting abandoned on MiSTer for MARS.

Pram0d seemed highly interested in mars.

[fallen sparrow]

Narc is coming to MiSTer but needs dual RAM

Same as MK

[orchid nimbus]

not going to get dual ram

[cerulean elk]

I know we are probably supposed to take this convo to another channel...but NARC isnt worth building a dual ram setup for. Funny and charming game but its not one of those "arcade bangers" I always prattle on about

[worn delta]

If you don't have an analogue iO board then it only costs $20/£20 to move to a dual ram set up, you only need an extra 32MB in slot B

[cerulean elk]

now if Total Carnage needs dual ram...there's your banger

[mild ether]

NARC will always be a banger to me.

[worn delta]

There's been a very spirited discussion about MARS in the FPGA-hardware channel if anyone missed it

[cerulean elk]

oh I really do like it. Its just below banger status

[hearty oar]

I truly cannot be bothered, the VGA setup I have already is so convenient, and you lose dual output

[cerulean elk]

spirited = angry? lol. I hate the angry fray

[hearty oar]

I wouldn’t say angry, just rightfully cynical until we learn more

[pallid falcon]

NARC was amazing to me when it come out. Digiitised graphics in a game that isn't awful (looking at Pit Fighter). Gameplay was so-so though

[cerulean elk]

that makes sense

[worn delta]

With very good insight from Robert

[cerulean elk]

I am confused by the pivots to MiSTer considering what limit has it hit? But I get it...FPGA is the new hotness

[mild ether]

I don't know I would go dual ram for I though because the medium resolution emulated version is totally playable without cycle accuracy.

[pallid falcon]

It's a crime that Guardians of the Hood never had a home version, its only redeeming feature is that one of the enemies is called Nigel.

[cerulean elk]

oh dear god that game

it almost made Janktoberfest Part 2 for september but I cut it...for jankier unported arcade games

[pallid falcon]

Same tier of awfulness as Pit Fighter. I didn't play either much at all in the arcade

[cerulean elk]

I dare say worse

[pallid falcon]

Primal Rage is another terrible Atari game of the time

[mild ether]

I would go dual ram for the masterpiece Tattoo Assassins.

[cerulean elk]

DONT SPOIL JANKTOBERFEST

[pallid falcon]

Better in theory, but the arcade controls were so ill conceived. Some moves required you hold down three buttons, do a negative edge movement and release

Makes Taito's Dino Rex (released earlier) look like a half decent game. Now that is a jank game

[silent marten]

@cerulean elk once again an awesome video bro 🙂

[cerulean elk]

that was Janktoberfest back in april

[cerulean elk]

thanks...and thanks to @manic basin for helping me too. He gets some accolades. I dont care what people say about him...I think he's great! 😆

I was in the country with my wife yesterday doing some orchard picking so he helped capture

[silent marten]

yeah Andy D is great with helping with captures

[cerulean elk]

we now have fruit for eons. Jam, preserves..all the goods incoming

[manic basin]

Forgot no gifs.

:/

[zinc dew]

❤️ @manic basin

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew gets credit too. Because Robby

[pallid falcon]

I only saw it in one arcade, next to the janktastic Gladiator. I played each game once.

[weary palm]

I still can't believe this is happening.

[fallen sparrow]

I cannot say a single good thing about @manic basin, I can only 1000s of awesome things about Andy.

A true gentleman

[cerulean elk]

I dont want to spoil all of Janktoberfest 2 but its filled with some REAL shit

[fallen sparrow]

Jank is good

[manic basin]

Aww, thanks everyone. I just really like experimental stuff. I will probably never touch N64 after it's complete. Hehe.

[pallid falcon]

There's good jank, and there is Dino Rex/Gladiator jank

[cerulean elk]

but Dino Rex makes funny jank

[fallen sparrow]

Haha, I think that goes for many of us lol

[pallid falcon]

Gladiator had a spin off/sequel but I'm unsure if I ever saw Blandia (probably an apt name)

Hopefully it is jank^2

[zinc dew]

It’s happening because we have wonderful people who share their talents with us and a wonderful community who appreciate all the effort and hard work that goes into it. 🍻

[pallid falcon]

Core development at times must be like a second job for Robert, the amount of time he spends on it

But a job you don't get paid for, but enjoy it and the community

[cerulean elk]

we pay him in virtual hugs

thats as good as cash

[weary palm]

I was already flabbergasted when we got SNES and GBA.

[void hemlock]

honestly everyone should check out his patreon if they have extra cash. speaking of which, I should rejoin since I'm working again https://www.patreon.com/FPGAzumSpass

[rotund fox]

I'm trying to run the core but i get black screen.. I've renamed my blabla.bin rom into boot.rom but not sure what I'm doing wrong do I need a custom mister version?

[worn delta]

yeah, you need an unstable Main that you can find scrolling up in the test-builds channel, and you also need the .text file also posted there

[rotund fox]

ahhh I see... thanks!

[orchid nimbus]

@rotund fox https://vampier.net/N64/

your one stop page

[rotund fox]

oh wow thanks!

[void hemlock]

there we go. and resubscribed

[cerulean elk]

probably should custom pledge $3.50

[orchid nimbus]

except for the core 🙂

[void hemlock]

already went for $6 :)

[mild ether]

An option that isn't Patreon would be nice. I know people like them but a lot of people don't.

[cerulean elk]

I have one because people ask. Id rather just get deliveries of rum and gin

[void hemlock]

yeah I'd probably do ko-fi in addition to patreon personally, especially since they don't take a cut

[mild ether]

GODDAMN LOCKNESS MONSTER!

[weary palm]

Tree-fiddy

[mild ether]

I am concerned Patreon will end up dominating the space and then make decisions about who can monetize things. Like they become a monopoly and decide that making FPGA cores is piracy and shut it all down. Haven't done that yet but they have shown they are willing to make distinctions like that arbitrarily.

[cerulean elk]

nah. They basically let pseudo porn slide. I dont think they care

[manic basin]

Since taking VC the answer is simple. Does it make them money? They'll allow it.

Now if Nintendo sues and it costs them....

[lone geyser]

As long as there are alternatives that's not a huge issue. It doesn't matter if they monopolize the FPGA market because jumping ship is easy in a meltdown scenario. It's only a problem if they monopolize fan subscription services in general. Which they can't seem to do

[pallid falcon]

They get a nice cut, I'm sure they they wouldn't ever close one down. I can't see Nintendo going after a NES core developer

[cerulean elk]

I am MOSTLY surprised YouTube hasnt banned patreon links

since they have memberships and super likes built into the platform

[pallid falcon]

or, indeed the N64!

[elfin relic]

I've been a bit leery of patreon since they laid off their security staff in one fell swoop, but that's just me

[wanton sun]

the issue with different platforms is that I want to do development and not tax management. So i rather only have one and if it doesn't fit for some, it's totally fine, as everyone can still get the core and code

[cerulean elk]

taxes on Patreon, YT royalties, etc is a pain in the ass every year

my business P&L, deductions, blah blah takes a solid two days of my time

[pallid falcon]

Just don't try to put the core on Steam Robert and you'll be okay. 😅

[cerulean elk]

and in the end I owe someone money after all that work

[wanton sun]

at least Patreon does all my taxes as EU citizen, so i only have like 1 hour work every 3 months

[weary palm]

@wanton sun just a random question; what's your avatar?

[cerulean elk]

not like the good old USA where taxes are "hey you guess. If you are wrong...were coming for your ass"

[desert nest]

Yeah I have always wanted to know this 😂

[pallid falcon]

Heh, MiSTer FPGA cores on Steam is making me laugh

[velvet nexus]

Lemming on a bike?

[wanton sun]

the character of my first larger project, a 2D top-down RPG in the style of Diablo

[mild ether]

That seems like a fair reason to want to use them.

[weary palm]

Wanna play now 🙂

[quaint rune]

Rocket turtle

[wanton sun]

https://www.kongregate.com/games/Ivlivs/teuvyl

[pallid falcon]

I'll wait for the FPGA version

[wanton sun]

it's not great, but took me 2 months, so i'm still happy i did it

[cerulean elk]

they are onto you @wanton sun

[manic basin]

Meth around and find out.

[cerulean elk]

I have been to Red Bull headquarters in Austria. Wild place filled with cutting edge sports medicine stuff. Fun times

and free red bull obv

[mellow path]

They have a doctor on staff who can actually give you wings

[velvet nexus]

well, the screen on the first track of mario kart is working, I don't see why you guys feel there's anything else to do on the core

still can't believe we're getting N64

[pallid falcon]

Hmm, 11pm here and I'm in the office tomorrow. Debating if it is still gin o'clock.

[cerulean elk]

cryo chambers to aid in blood flow muscle recovery, altitude training, etc

[pallid falcon]

Who am I kidding

[cerulean elk]

are you still alive?

if so...gin oclock. Whats your fav?

I default to Monkey 47 for G&T

Citadelle for a Martini

[rotund fox]

still getting black screen.. do I need to rename the game roms somehow?

[pallid falcon]

By the desk I am sat at is some Greenfall's

[cerulean elk]

Plymouth Navy Strength for all Tiki needs

[worn delta]

Ah, try Mario 64, a lot of the games are black screen still

[pallid falcon]

I have quite a few different gins to hand

[cerulean elk]

never tried that one

[pallid falcon]

Bombay Sapphire is a classic

[cerulean elk]

I keep a "ginfinity" bottle. Four ounces of every new gin we buy goes into a decanter. Never gets drank to the bottom

same with Whiskey; we genre it to American, Canadian and Japanese

[compact depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046941029296779344/1137501857745477733/image0.jpg

[zinc dew]

The core is extremely early so most things won’t work, just a heads up. Mario Kart 64 is the current target for Robert so that game will show further progress than others.

[manic basin]

(Wetrix laughs in ...whatever language it speaks)

[zinc dew]

Yeah I actually did play a round of Wetrix yesterday. It’s a neat puzzler.

[pallid falcon]

Tonight is Limehouse gin

[rotund fox]

ok! I've tested mario 64 and mario kart 64 with no luck! I'll keep trying

[manic basin]

I need to get the NSO controller aparently. It's almost uncontrollable on my 8bitdo. But it's VERY functional!

[manic basin]

Do you have the unstable MiSTer build as well?

[weary palm]

@rotund fox I hope someone can help you

[wanton sun]

very likely it's the pif (boot.rom) not there

[zinc dew]

Good point

[rotund fox]

yes: I've replaced the mister core

[wanton sun]

unstable main missing should still boot mario kart i guess

[rotund fox]

and I have the boot.rom in the root folder

[wanton sun]

root folder is N64 folder?

[rotund fox]

yes

[cerulean elk]

do you mean in the N64 folder?

[rotund fox]

yes n64 folder

[cerulean elk]

and not root of the SD card

[wanton sun]

is it exactly 1984 bytes in size?

[rotund fox]

yes it is

[cerulean elk]

ok cool @rotund fox thats correct

[wanton sun]

then i have no clue...you can check this rom. if that also doesn't work, your boot.rom is not good

[rotund fox]

ok I'll check!

[cerulean elk]

@rotund fox if you have unstable, the current core, the correct PIF, the text file...and the PIF is renamed to boot.rom and placed inside the N64 folder with the txt file...you should be booting

[manic basin]

Since I've only been doing captures really, I've not tried the core on a CRT yet. Looks SUPER good.

[rotund fox]

probably the boot.rom is not good

[pallid falcon]

To your good health all.

[cerulean elk]

I need to try it on m PVM

[cerulean elk]

cheers

[cerulean elk]

know how to pull a checksum on it?

[rotund fox]

mmm no 😦

[compact depot]

Is that Guaraná?

[cerulean elk]

ok @rotund fox try that file @wanton sun sent. If that doesn't work I am editing right now so you can DM me and I can try and help you out. I will be here for the next hour or so working on stuff before I get up for the day

[pallid falcon]

It's a gin and tonic, but the colour has come out darker

[manic basin]

So it's a ginger tonic....

[rotund fox]

this works!

[cerulean elk]

sounds like you have bad files then perhaps. Game files

nointro is the preferred but I have had plenty of luck with the roll up packs for the multi carts

[rotund fox]

those roms works with mupen64plus tho

mmmm I'll try to patch mario 64

with no face patch and try

[mild ether]

The Aleck 64 PIF for mame works just fine for me and it's easily found.

[weary palm]

Very few games work.

[rotund fox]

ok at least my setup is fine 🙂 so I'll help testing in the future!

[zinc dew]

Thanks friend, looking forward to your support!

[cerulean elk]

Sorry wrong server entirely Lolol

[mild ether]

Could have been legendary if it wasn't for those meddling competition.

[night saddle]

hey thats pretty cool! easy to use mouse controls and 144hz is smooth as butter. just finished my first quest

[cerulean elk]

there is an M2 arcade board up for sale on eBay in Australia right now. Hell Night / Evil Night. Hardware error on boot but I can fix that easily. If anyone wants to own an M2

needs at least a new RTC chip and perhaps an EEPROM donor with the code written to it too

easy stuff

[zinc dew]

You’re an RTC chip that perhaps needs an EEPROM donor

[cerulean elk]

fine DONT own a piece of gaming history. Ill get my 14th M2 😆

[mild ether]

I got a Total Vice board here but haven't set it up yet.

[cerulean elk]

you know the disc rev version? Just so I know if its dumped

I have five discs but there is one region I know that exists and I haven't been able to get a dump for archive yet

[cinder pagoda]

What! No new Core today?! Sheesh.. 😜

[cerulean elk]

@rotund fox is set up correctly and playing Mario now. He's good

[mild ether]

It's boxes away right now not sure. The plan was to do a polystars conversion but life happened.

[cerulean elk]

I have those files if you ever need them. For the conversion. Ready to go for all Total Vice variants

[rotund fox]

😄

that's quite incredible to see mario running on mister!

[mild ether]

Thank you. I will ping you when I get it out of storage and find out if it all is working.

[rotund fox]

great job @wanton sun

[cerulean elk]

no RTC on Total Vice so as long as the hardware is working and your disc matches the EEPROM checksum checks for Total Vice should boot fine

if not just DM me. I can fix them up pretty easily

Ive got spare M2 bits for days lol

[languid dune]

lol, just heard that Buck Bumble's opening theme threw up a flag on your video. 🤣

[mild ether]

Polystars seems like a fun game and I heard about the conversion possibility so I bought it.

[cerulean elk]

straight bucked over

[cerulean elk]

Tons of fun. Hidden gem status IMO. Total Vice is no slouch though

only game NOT worth playing is Heat of Eleven 98 / World Soccer Championship

[zinc dew]

Quoting this post for the A+ joke

[floral snow]

Cause you suck at soccer

[cerulean elk]

kickball just isn't fun

but of course @floral snow gonna come shit talk me anywhere 😆

[languid dune]

Soccer game point total 1-0. 10/10 sport to watch.

[mild ether]

I will bite my tongue about soccer due to this being an international audience. 😂

[manic basin]

The homebrew Dexanoid runs pretty well (CIC 6101)

I haven't been hitting them much since retail games started booting, but a lot of demos are in much better shape. Still no Commander Keen yet....

[cerulean elk]

all this Mario talk and now we are talking about taking the decomp project and porting it to M2 lol

[ocean lily]

I call fake! That n64 isn't even on!

[mild ether]

Did you try the NES emulator?

[languid dune]

The most worthwhile port of them all.

[manic basin]

Not yet. But I love doing that. stuff. I got SMB running at about 2fps on a Mac on Amiga on MiSTer once.

[cerulean elk]

weve discussed Doom too. Because it has to run Doom

[languid dune]

Anything that doesn't run Doom isn't a real device.

Even my Playdate has a version of Doom.

[native mesa]

My pacemaker runs doom

[cerulean elk]

die in game die in real life

[languid dune]

Just don't die from all the blood loss in Doom.

Jinx?

[thick terrace]

I hate when that happens

[hearty oar]

the question was never "can it run Doom?" but rather "should it run Doom?"

...and the answer is always yes to both

[native mesa]

E1M1 plays in my hearing aid

[zinc dew]

If you haven’t played DOOM 64, it’s a wonderful game that I’m sure will be fantastic on the core. Strongly suggest the brightness patch though lol.

[fiery owl]

Brighten the game, lower the IRL lights

[cerulean elk]

The brightness, or lack thereof, is a killer. Didn’t a dev just make a mistake on a value before shipping? Or something like that

[zinc dew]

That was one of the first things I asked Kevin Cloud when I started at id, that and what was up with Quake 2 not being at all like Quake 1.

[atomic stratus]

I played DOOM 64 on Switch…loved that game

[cerulean elk]

Doom 64 and Silent Scope Collection are polar opposites with massive brightness issues; Doom 64 needs light and Complete requires so much brightness for the gun to register you can barely see anything

[zinc dew]

Basically some producer at Midway screwed up. Before making the build the Producer assumed the current default value was the max value and adjusted the settings before publishing.

the default value was the default value, what a surprise!

because the Producer “went rogue” no one caught it before manufacturing

[cerulean elk]

The equivalent of someone going into a completed Resolve project and adjusting my color values back to baseline then going to distro

[zinc dew]

it was 100% that

no clue who it was or if they had a job after that lol

[cerulean elk]

Probably got a promotion. Fail up

[zinc dew]

One time before submitting a build report to Atari for a game I worked on, I had a feeling I should double check my document before I emailed it. Turned out our Project Manager decided to insert random elementary school cuss words randomly throughout the document when I wasn’t looking.

[brisk edge]

That would have sucked

[zinc dew]

I learned that I should lock my computer before going to the bathroom and our Project Manager was a very not smart person.

[brisk edge]

Yeah, hard to look at someone the same way after something like that

[cerulean elk]

“Dear Atari, please see attached milestone builds for the current project. We feel that BOOBIES we are on track to complete our next PENIS milestone by 8/23. If you have any questions don’t hesitate to DICK ask. Robby FARTALOT”

[zinc dew]

boobies and fartmaster were on the list lolol

Also that was like 100% what it was like

In hindsight I probably should’ve sent it, it was Atari, who cares lol

[cerulean elk]

I almost wrote fartmaster in all honesty

[thick terrace]

hey all! anything new, other than Robby being a Fartmaster?

[chilly ember]

I don't believe so

[manic basin]

So it boots, but won't load the merged rom. E1000.

[stoic parcel]

The little progress results are nice to see

[cerulean elk]

Yeah KI intro animation works now. Fun to see

[stoic parcel]

Got hooked up with the dpad controls rom patches I needed too. AA disable, dpad for all 2D games. Good to go.

[orchid nimbus]

toggle

[manic basin]

Headphone warning... loud noises!

OK, again headphone warning, but this one is cooler. The SMS emulator is running at about 1/8th speed. This is now officially the best Castlevania game on N64.

[mild ether]

That's cool as shit. Emulation inception.

[manic basin]

It's pretty great!

[cerulean elk]

Master of Darkness! Someone has good tastes

[manic basin]

It's a great ame. Though memorizing where the downgrades are is a pain. Hehe.

[cerulean elk]

Or is it not? Now im thinking the HUD isn’t right?

Maybe I’m thinking of the Master System HUD

[manic basin]

It's the gg version. That's what the emulator supports on N64.

[cerulean elk]

Ahh that’s why I was second guessing myself

[orchid nimbus]

RIP

[manic basin]

So it's JP in addition to being slightly different.

[orchid nimbus]

it seems the title screen is compacted to 64pixels on the left 😄

buffer overflaw - NOP CPU power!!!

scream in the mic 😄 DIEEEEEE!!!!!

[topaz otter]

did he give you the long answer or the short answer

[devout leaf]

N64Jam is doing their Summer Jam.

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1mSxNVbHjLwFINUlMHgF2y4Ot_7EcDDHV

If anyone wants to test their games.

[zinc dew]

On what?

[orchid nimbus]

Ok computer

[zinc dew]

lol typo, I meant “on”

[zinc dew]

Yah this was a decade ago

[manic basin]

@weary palm I finally started adding stuff to the N64-database.txt file but nothing I add is working. I went through the thread and nothing calls out anything special. I'm getting the MD5 hash (whole file) inserting it with the cic ...example for DK no pak:

0745b6d00fa8607cd314b6097c63c45d ntsc|cic6105|eeprom2k|rpak # Donkey Kong 64

But it still fails lookup. I'm probably doing something super boneheaded. I'm using N++ so it shouldn't be extra characters from Notepad or anything. I did use an uppercased MD5 hash, but I did tolower as well (as seen above) and neither worked. Tried it for a number of unlisted roms and none work. Again, I'm 100% sure it's something I'm doing wrong. I just don't see it with my cavebrains.

I should note all roms are z64/BE

Which seems correct.

[ocean lily]

it's a hash of the first 4KB, not the whole rom

[ocean lily]

ah; didn't know it could be either

[manic basin]

But lemme try it just to be safe. My powershell MD5 skills are.... less than great.

[hearty oar]

is there a way in the core yet to just override/specify the CIC chip? Seems like that's needed for just yeah, booting any rom hacks that may come along that have modified their first 4 kilobytes in any way...

short of yeah, having to calculate the hash yourself and put it in the database file

[manic basin]

Yeah, I'm doing all that.

[hearty oar]

haha, yeah I can see that, thus my question

a lot of people probably won't want to/be able to

[manic basin]

Yeah. But as you said, you can manually set it (using a tool like the N64 RTool CRC checker or something to get it from the rom).

I just want to be lazy the hardest ways possible.

OK, so the info about the full file being used seems to be wrong. @ocean lily ...be vindicated! Hehe.

4096 bytes works perfectly.

[mild ether]

Seems like it should be possible to modify the PIF file to not care what the CRC is at all.

[manic basin]

I made a small c# tool to grab the first 4096 if anyone wants it. It's not robust, but it works. (this only works on z64 so I'm removing it since that's not helpful for most homebrew. I need to get a handle on n64 N64 - byteswap is easy but endianess isn't something I have to deal with often).

Easier to use than Python scripts for most, I'd wager.

[mild ether]

If I read it correctly the PIF compares the value from the cartridge bootcode and compares that to CIC and if it doesn't jive it halts the CPU.

[polar raft]

Jibe
https://www.grammarbook.com/homonyms/jibe-jive.asp

[manic basin]

@weary palm Ignore that last message. I'm sorted. Seems like the 'whole file' info was wrong.

[mild ether]

👌

[languid dune]

You totally just doxxed Robby's last name. How could you?

[lament escarp]

I wish it was my last name. Well, time to marry @zinc dew I guess.

[orchid nimbus]

it's literally in the FAQ

does anyone actually read the whole thing? 😄

The list contains MD5 hash values over the first 4096 bytes in a ROM file. If you add a non existing entry you can use the full MD5 hash value

[trim seal]

I found the lag to be almost zero wireless. Like, surprisingly low. Haven't checked the latest build though.

[hearty oar]

🤞 this one could be an anomaly, maybe Nintendo actually got it right this time?

(their other Switch controllers are among the few I find to have noticeable latency)

[polar raft]

@wanton sun do you think it would be possible to support the direct mode of the Raphnet n64 USB adapter?

Feature wise it sounds something like SNAC:
"Perfect accuracy: The controller stick works exactly as it would on a N64 system, without any calibration or tweaking.
Rumble Pak, Controller Pak (mempak), Transfer Pak and Bio sensor support.
N64 Mouse support and VRU support.
Low latency"

There are implementations for emulators, eg https://github.com/raphnet/pj64raphnetraw
I'm assuming the protocol could be gleaned from that (or just asking the dev)

[lean spruce]

Just Connected MiSTer back to my CRT to look at N64. And the core has like a jagged effect across the whole screen, even the OSD screen has this effect. I assume it has to do with interlacing not dialed in yet?

[solemn maple]

The OSD look normal when the core displays 480i

[lean spruce]

Yes it does for me too like when loading PSX core. But I wondered what’s causing this on the N64 core

[graceful radish]

Analog video hasn't been touched

[carmine kettle]

It’s still developing

[graceful radish]

Way too early for that

[carmine kettle]

Not even alpha it just prebuilt alpha

For testing purposes

[lean spruce]

Yeah I know, just wanted to confirm it wasn’t my setup.

[solemn maple]

Anyone wanna recommend a game that I should try when my everdrive arrives? The only single player games I've played on the 64 is mario 64, Zelda oot and 007 - the world is not enough.

Leaning towards goldeneye or banjo

[lean spruce]

Paper Mario

[vagrant ivy]

Quest 6 4 of course

[carmine kettle]

Robotron 64

[elfin relic]

Sin and Punishment

[remote hatch]

Wave Race 64 🙂

[trim seal]

I won a round in MK4, in spite of only the health bars being visible. That was kinda fun playing by audio only :p

[worldly quartz]

oooh I should try out my corio to see how much better it looks without vaseline on a crt

[deft tree]

Shadows of the Empire or Rogue Squadron

[oblique remnant]

Bakuretsu Muteki Bangaioh
Mischief Makers
Sin & Punishment

[wanton sun]

but it's still connected via USB? so that means if at all, main would have to do that, not the core

in case you want visible drivers in mario kart but are sad that the black boxes are gone, i have a solution for you:

still plenty of bugs in the palette colors as you can see, so more work to be done

have no more time today, will continue this weekend

[vapid moat]

Gonna do it anyway, wanna see how this develops

Works pretty OK so far, OSD's looking jaggy but it's not important rn

[wanton sun]

but plenty of titles are not black anymore 🙂

[bronze tree]

test build? 🙂

[silent marten]

😮

[wanton sun]

better no, it flickers all over the place, you just cannot see because of the static image

[bronze tree]

ok 🙂

[hearty oar]

very nice teaser of things to come regardless, looking forward to it!

[silent marten]

It is a very nice tease, weekend is gonna be a great time to test this

I would like to know if there are textures on the ship in Star Fox now though 🙂

[hollow rune]

I know Chameleon Twist is mostly black. I wonder if it will show more stuff now

[vapid moat]

BTW, has the PAL-speed been implemented yet? PAL-roms still run too fast

[silent marten]

This will be later

[solemn maple]

Looking forward to the weekend 😍

[trim seal]

Wow, Clay Fighter 63 1/3 is quite playable - visible sprites and health bars. No backgrounds though, but surprisingly functional.

[solemn maple]

Does the player sprites in mario kart animate properly? @wanton sun

[silent marten]

Let's wait till the weekend and let him work out the issues with these latest render modes 🙂

[cobalt junco]

@wanton sun Very impressive, I had a lot of fun 😃

[wanton sun]

wow, not sure how many have ever completed it. How long did it take?

[cobalt junco]

I am a total noobie and play slow. I also collected all the abilities so about 4-5 hours.

the birdy-throwing baddies 😠 heh

[wanton sun]

It's not too bad. I think it took me 2-3 hours last time i did maybe 2 years ago, but i knew it, so the difference isn't that huge

[maiden wyvern]

what is that?

[cobalt junco]

https://www.kongregate.com/games/Ivlivs/teuvyl

FPGAAzumSpass made it

[wanton sun]

back in the days where i was still searching for projects to spend time on 😅

[lament escarp]

Are the black boxes a missing blend mode?

[compact depot]

Is last unstable Main plus N64 test build core all I need to start messing with it?

[remote hatch]

• boot.rom

https://vampier.net/N64/

• N64-database.txt

I think everything you need is in the faq from Vampier 🙂

[compact depot]

@orchid nimbus is the man!

[weary palm]

He sure is

[cerulean elk]

Finally THE game to play lol

[worn delta]

Now, can Robert's game be ported to run on any of the core we have on MiSTer?

[ocean lily]

who has time to read FAQs?

[odd vector]

Did someone try Bomberman 64 yet? I'll leave the testing to you guys. I'm more into enjoying than testing 😄

[hollow rune]

I never got anything but let me try it now

[odd vector]

cool, thanks 🙂 Emulation was always very poor with that game

[hollow rune]

music is too good in that game

[odd vector]

this!

[hollow rune]

No sound either

[odd vector]

Looks interesting 😄

[hollow rune]

Though maybe somewhere there is the faint yelling of "You're mine!"

Panda ears are not that sensitive though

[odd vector]

thank you very much for trying

[weary palm]

MiSTendo 64

[slate sundial]

the PC release is great, can't wait to try the N64 original.

I'm hoping to be able to play RE2 this Christmas 🎄

[zinc dew]

Admittedly the PC release has rendered the N64 original obsolete in terms of playing it, haha

[weary palm]

Yeah, rose tinted glasses aside, PC version is the superior one.

[chrome quest]

Nah, that's like saying NES Mario is obsolete because All Stars exists. Give me that retro experience! ❤️ Give me that original lag, etc. It's an amazing time capsule to see old games as they were

(and all the better if "superior" versions are out there for those that want them of course)

[zinc dew]

Yeah I agree but that’s why I consider playing it and experiencing it different. Playing it is the utilitarian action of enjoying the game for the gameplay. This is what people who lack the nostalgia want to do.

In DOOM 64’s case however the brightness option is a genuine accessibility issue that hampers the original experience.

But I find enjoyment in that myself, haha

To your point. It’s the retro experience I want.

[chrome quest]

Indeed. The option for close to original is a good general point for MiSTer. Doom specifically I've never even played, so accessibility benefits all the way there. Love to see it. Not that all new consoles are great on that front (Nintendo), but retro games are usually lacking. It's great MiSTer works with pretty much anything USB

[zinc dew]

@chrome quest your point is wonderful. I’ll be more cognoscente of it next time. I think it’s extremely important to celebrate what you’re saying.

So it’s not that the DOOM 64 remake has rendered the original obsolete but has made it easier to enjoy. Thanks for sharing your opinion, it’s very appreciated.

[hollow rune]

All Stars is not even a good port. Tose made some boo boos in that port, like the brick physics in SMB1. Also I think the graphics for 1, 2jp and 3 don't look great.

[chrome quest]

I will admit, the first example of Mario came to mind, and I thought "There must be a better one, even NES had good refresh rate right?". I just rolled with it. You get the general point hopefully!

[hollow rune]

I od like the Switch port of Doom. I never really played it on original hardware though. The SNES one I messed around with a little. Playstation one is apparently good?

[weary palm]

I will still play through OoT for the 27th time once it's playable on MiSTer. Because I don't know. 🙂

[plush summit]

I will never understand All Stars, its at best a good pack-in game, but can't stand alone

[hollow rune]

I also think n64 OoT looks better

[weary palm]

All-Stars SMB1 has buggy block physics.

[hollow rune]

I imagine if you were too young or missed the NES it was fantastic

Once you feel it you can't keep going

[plush summit]

I grew up with the NES and have SMB1 and 3, I played All Stars at my cousin's and never saw the appeal

[weary palm]

I'm 39 years old so I almost missed it. 😉

[daring meteor]

Omg Robert does it again hahahahahaha

[plush summit]

I think the biggest problem is the 3DS, they kinda had to mess with the look to make it portable and easier to see

[cerulean elk]

lol...dude doesn't sleep

[hollow rune]

Yeah it is so keyed up. Everything is so bright. Ths original woudn't have worked on the smaller screen though

[daring meteor]

Feels like it hahahahaha
Says non raw modes will take a while, makes a buggy impl in a busy weekday

[cerulean elk]

Robert can wait till the weekend. Give us all a hype break. Our hearts cant take the constant excitement

[plush summit]

For sure, if they remade or ported the 3DS OOT, they would have to rework a lot of the lighting and proportions of models to make it look right on a console

[lilac scroll]

Has he mentioned whether he thinks the heavily mipmapped/filtered look of the n64 will be possible on mister? I always assumed that was early hw acceleration and thus wouldn’t be as easy to implement via FPGA?

[weary palm]

Of course it's possible.

Even the NES has hardware accelation.

And he implemented filtered textured in the PSX core.

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/something_about-gif-19445389

@wanton sun is Mario - Bowser is the core

😄

[little socket]

Why does he have a mustache?

[dreamy ridge]

having black boxes around the eyes of a lot of the mario 64 enemies in the current test build is hilarious because they all look like evil hamburgler variations of themselves

[cerulean elk]

MY Mario doesn’t have eyes

The one true Mario

[chrome quest]

The stars look a bit sinister. Reminds me of Toree 3D on switch

[drowsy lantern]

Thankfully there's a rom hack that fixes this. (What's sad then is that MiSTer no longer recognizes it as the real rom, so cheats aren't available, etc.)

[quick arch]

Thank you. The texts used on MK64 is another RDP mode ?

[orchid nimbus]

I think the text is there just compacted and repeated

just as the introscreen of 'Pikachu I see you'

[daring meteor]

Yeah, I think it's just RGBA16

[weary palm]

32x32 RGBA textures 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

how the heck would anyone test MARS FPGA while it's not even released

until I see it out in the wild it's vaporware for me

[native mesa]

I like the idea of a mister successor, we're quickly reaching the limits of the platform

[wanton sun]

i think it's the copy mode of the RDP, which is currently not implemented. The RDp instead does normal render mode, which will crunch every texture to 4 times the texture. You can also see it e.g. in the mario kart main menu background.

copy mode is basically rendering 4 pixels directly from Texture Ram in 1 clock cycle to RDRAM

[quick arch]

Ok thank you for the explanation !

[wanton sun]

the core instead renders 1, so it misses the 3 other, that's why there is a repeating pattern

[native mesa]

That's interesting

[wanton sun]

i currently fear to implement it, as the texture ram access pattern is insane. I rather tackle easier tasks first to learn more. In software emulation this is much easier, you can just do random access 😅

[vapid hawk]

can you actually tell how stressed the ram is right now or do you just have to keep adding things and see when it breaks?

[orchid nimbus]

even if the core development stalls after we can play Mario games / starfox it's been well worth it for this generation of FGPA boards

[hot spoke]

Is it way too early to know if a single 128mb stick of ram would be enough for the n64 core?

[orchid nimbus]

I don't think RAM is the biggest concern here

[silent marten]

From what has been said it is not gonna be a dual ram core

[frail jolt]

Have you ever been on this cord? ---DO I NEED DUAL RAM???? is the ONLY question

[orchid nimbus]

@frail jolt take your meds 😄

[frail jolt]

everyone stares at thier Analog set up, wondering if they will just go digital... or buy a second MiSTer to play Mortal Kombat

[inner bronze]

"Why cant we just put 1GB of SDRAM on a single stick. Why do I NEED two?!"

Quotes for reasons

[orchid nimbus]

bandwith of the GPIO ports

[compact depot]

Parallelism

[inner bronze]

The reason being DON'T EXPLAIN IT TO ME

Ill stick to adding a /s

[orchid nimbus]

I like mansplaining to n00bs

[slate sundial]

I've found a nostalgia for games I never played as a kid, but only discovered recently. For example I have the same feeling of nostalgia for Neo Drift Out (which I played for the first time a month ago) as I do for KOF98 which I played 20 years ago - this isn't forced, it just happens.

I guess it's the character of the retro system itself that feels classic. NeoGeo games look sound and "feel" like Neo Geo games in a way that a modern PC indie games cannot quite capture, as the fake hardware limitations feel... fake (not saying they're objectively bad games ofc!)

A better example might be Donkey Kong Country, which I couldn't afford as a kid. I played it for the first time about 5 yrs ago, and it is as close to my heart now as SMW (which I lived and breathed as a kid).

[chrome quest]

Similar here. Loves SMS but had very few games as a child. Loved beating more on MiSTer, Ys, Wonder Boy.
Can't wait to do the same for N64, loads of games I'd never got the chance to play

[slate sundial]

I've enjoyed discovering games on the MiSTer as much as I did on the original hardware. I think that's a large part of why the system is so popular, there's an authenticity that's hard to put into words, but it's there.

[dreamy ridge]

plus playing back in the day chances are you were on a small crt...being able to see the extra details on a massive HDTV scaled perfectly is SO dope

[slate sundial]

I agree. Ive spent a couple of years dialling in my filters, a hundred little tweaks, and it's "like" (in air quotes before a CRT acolyte opens my skull) having a 65" CRT in my living room.

[slate sundial]

I played SMW on a B&W 14" CRT in my late great grandmother's bedroom (it became an office)

[dreamy ridge]

lmao...probably through an rf cable too

[slate sundial]

absolutely! but hey, low lag 🤣

[placid quiver]

Or switch to the new hotness just announced

[orchid nimbus]

It arrived

[cerulean elk]

Interested to hear how that is

I may get that over NSO as I’ve never been in love with the OG design

[drowsy lantern]

Curious to hear about it as well. I still profoundly hate that design though. It has that distinct "cheap 3rd party madcatz controller that your friend hands over to you when you go play at his place" vibe to it. And that D-Pad looks ungodly. Way too thin.

[mild ether]

Are they seriously only like 18 USD?

[placid quiver]

I'd love this layout with an N64 stick and not the GC one

[drowsy lantern]

No that's not the same model.

[mild ether]

I like this layout a lot too.

[brisk edge]

Oh I see the wireless version moved things around

[mild ether]

What's the difference?

[sharp beacon]

it's wired

[mild ether]

Ohh wireless.

[brisk edge]

I was gonna say, the tribute 64 was supposed to be the clone of the old hori mini pad

But I guess this wireless version is a slightly different layout

[mild ether]

For 18 USD I will bite on one.

[drowsy lantern]

Well for one it's wired instead of wireless. Doesn't have rumble built in (you need a rumble pak)

[mild ether]

Ok, I see the slightly different layout now.

[placid quiver]

I'm on the fence about the 8bitdo board in my og controller

Whether or not to go that route

[brisk edge]

From what I recall when I used one on a real n64, the wired tribute 64 felt decent build wise. It just had the same issue of the stick sensitivity wasn't good enough

[placid quiver]

I have an OG controller with a good stick that I'm willing to convert with the 8bitdo just wondering if the wireless and rumble are nice to haves

[languid dune]

Looks like this weekend is going to be another epic update!

[placid quiver]

Anyone have hands on time with the 8bitdo modkit sans hall effect stick?

[mild ether]

kInda curious how many people get sucked into Starfield the next couple weeks away from testing new N64 cores.

[sullen harbor]

Side note about Nintendo 64 stuff
https://youtu.be/SdCaj5ZRp-A

[silent marten]

I will check it out for maybe an hour lol

Then back to N64 testing

[mild ether]

Nice of you to step away from Starfield for a hour.

[silent marten]

Lol, I mean I will check out Starfield for like an hour

[languid dune]

Armored Core 6 for me.

[silent marten]

I mean maybe this one will just work as Todd Howard has not said it just works about this project lol

[placid quiver]

You mean armored core 64

[mild ether]

Well here is hoping it's actually good enough to pull people away.

[languid dune]

Sea of Stars is also look'n good.

The better star game.

[lament escarp]

Is that star ocean-like?

[languid dune]

It's a prequel to The Messenger.

But an RPG.

Looks like a Chrono Trigger style RPG.

[lament escarp]

I liked messenger

Ninja gaiden that's easy enough so I can play it

[sullen harbor]

Friday is considered a loose holiday at one of my jobs because of AC6

[languid dune]

Noice.

[raw oriole]

I see AC6 is doing very well on opencritic reviews. Eeeexcellent.

[brisk edge]

I've only ever played the AC games very casually but I'm looking forward to 6 a lot this week

[chilly ember]

Awesome, I didn't think they'd ever do a turok 3 remaster

[lament escarp]

I'll probably spend ac6 day playing ac1 because I blew all my money on gameboy parts which are now stuck in customs.

[languid dune]

Turok 3 is actually the only game in the N64 trilogy that I never played. Should be interesting.

[oblique remnant]

yeah it came out too late for me

[wanton sun]

i could take a look with signaltap, but so far i doubt the bandwidth is at limit

[dawn pebble]

help: i am experiencing a weird bug: in some games i try like mario 64 my analog controls are not being recognized at all. in some games it works as it should. but i cannot move mario at all. tried different sticks, wired and wireless, even remapped keyboard. known problem?

[sullen harbor]

It makes sense it took them this long tbh as Turok 3 and Arena are the 2 turok games from the n64 era without PC ports. I suspect they used the PC versions of the first two as a base then probably spent the last couple years decompiling and redoing 3 in their engine (Or was it a unity wrapper? I can't remember)

[lament escarp]

First time I hear of this. Did you try to bind your stick in main & the core? Can't think of much else.

[languid dune]

Haven't experienced that myself. You're sure you don't have the analog sticks mapped to d-pad?

[dawn pebble]

games like wetrix/paperboy work totally fine. in mario i get no response at all. but just the analog stick

all other controls work (a,b,z,directional c buttons)

[languid dune]

Some games allow for d-pad movement, so that might be your problem.

[lament escarp]

Maybe try a different rom? And don't forget to patch the face out

[dawn pebble]

nope. some games respond to the analog stick, some don't

on the same stick

[lament escarp]

And the main has a input tester in utility, you can try if your stick behaves normally there.

[languid dune]

But if you mapped the stick to d-pad directions, it will function as a d-pad.

[dawn pebble]

i remapped it dozens of times just to make sure

[zinc dew]

Paperboy works?

[dawn pebble]

i mapped my controller in the mister. then i mapped my stick settings in the core. in some games the analog stick works as intended, in some there is no reaction at all

jup, paperboy 64 is playable

[languid dune]

When the core button mapping asks you to map up, down, etc. you're mapping those to the d-pad or the analog stick?

[dawn pebble]

analog stick

[languid dune]

That's the problem then.

[dawn pebble]

i mapped the yellow c buttons to the d-pad

[languid dune]

Map them to the d-pad.

[dawn pebble]

okay, trying it now

[zinc dew]

Is it a good game? Genuinely asking here

[languid dune]

You don't need to map the stick at all.

[dawn pebble]

now controls don't work at all 😦

[languid dune]

Weird.

When I set it up, I map the up, down, left, right buttons to the d-pad, and the analog stick should be recognized on its own as analog. I made the same mistake in the PS1 core, and had to fix it the same way.

[silent marten]

Have you mapped your controller in main properly?

[dawn pebble]

again. symptom. analog controller works for save selection when i start up mario (menu-> select 1 of the 4 saves), then they stop working at all

jup. mapped properly in main. working in other cores

[zinc dew]

Try a different controller

[dawn pebble]

did. wired and wireless. same problem

[languid dune]

What kind of controller are you using?

[zinc dew]

Also try going through the controller mapping again in the main menu

[dawn pebble]

did that

[zinc dew]

Delete the core’s config file

Alternatively try also using a default MiSTer.ini (after backing up your current one)

[languid dune]

I've used both a PS4 controller and a Nintendo Switch Online N64 controller, and both work without setting up the analog stick in the core. Just mapping the d-pad to the directions. As long as they are set up in main correctly, it should work like that.

[dawn pebble]

i'll try resetting the mister.ini. good tip

[topaz otter]

Just download more ram

[zinc dew]

Make sure to clear out the n64 config file too

[dawn pebble]

can i just delete the N64.CFG?

[zinc dew]

There could be something funky in there?

Yes straight up nuke it

Also the controller mapping too for good measure

It’s in the same folder I think it’s in a folder called input

[dawn pebble]

i deleted all n64 config files found in config and input directory. same symptoms

weird

[zinc dew]

What controllers are you using?

[dawn pebble]

also i use the example mister.cfg file which i backupped

i tried a ps4 (3rd) party controller through bluetooth and a wired xbox one controller

[frail jolt]

and if you need to speed up your PC https://imgflip.com/i/27ayzo Click here

[zinc dew]

Have any other usb controllers around?

[dawn pebble]

i'll try paperboy again to check controllers working. just a sec

[zinc dew]

Also take note that this core is heavy in development so if things aren’t working correctly it is what it is

Are those controller issues happening in other cores?

[dawn pebble]

nope. just this one. i'll look for different controllers now. (i think robert is a genius for being soooo fast on development, i am not saying something is wrong, i just wanna try mario 😉 because it seems to work for everyone else )

[silent marten]

Have you tested Analog controls in the PSX core?

[dawn pebble]

jup. they work in psx core

just tried a ps5 controller. same symptoms. WTF am i doing wrong cryingface

would it help to upload a yt video to troubleshoot or is that too much to ask?

[silent marten]

What are you assigning C buttons too

[dawn pebble]

i tried assinging the c buttons to the analog stick now. and they work! but just the c buttons. when i try to use the dpad for movement of mario: still nothing. this is so weird

so it is likely not an issue with the controller.

[silent marten]

OK so I assigned left right up and down to D-Pad, C buttons to right stick, A to X B to Square and L/R to L1 and R1 then R2 is Z

[drowsy junco]

I'm facing similar issues. The core won't even let me assign c buttons to a stick, only buttons. But that might be my controller

[silent marten]

I have never had an issue with that mapping on a PS5 controller

[lament escarp]

Try another rom. Maybe your mario rom wasnt quiet right for the patch.

[chilly ember]

Never had any issues with first party ps4 controller either

[languid dune]

Mario 64 doesn't support d-pad movement for Mario. It needs to be an analog stick that is recognized as an analog stick (and not mapped with d-pad buttons). The symptoms still sound exactly like the d-pads buttons are being mapped to the analog stick somehow. That's why stuff like menus work or games like Paper Boy work.

[zinc dew]

In all fairness @dawn pebble you’re not really missing much by not being able to play N64 games right now lol

[dawn pebble]

tried

[cerulean elk]

@dawn pebble try rebinding the controller in the main OS menu then binding again in the core

[dawn pebble]

jup. i think i'll just wait.

[cerulean elk]

I had to do that with my Switch Pro controller

Why? Dunno 🤷🏻‍♂️

[dawn pebble]

tried that. i am giving up now. waiting for the next core

[cerulean elk]

Oof. Then yeah I’m outta suggestions

[zinc dew]

Steal @cerulean elk’s MiSTer. That should solve the problem.

[cerulean elk]

Lol i have spares.

[languid dune]

Robby advocating theft! What is the world coming to!?

[zinc dew]

For the record I also endorse @languid dune’s ban reaction

[languid dune]

I actually have one last thing you can test to see if your controller is set up properly in main. You mentioned that it works in the PS1 core, but can you try booting up Ace Combat 3, and let us know if when you use the left analog stick, it either stears your jet, or it moves the camera? I also thought I had it set up it correctly for PS1 for a long time, but it wasn't until I played Ace Combat 3 that I realized I actually had my controller's left analog stick mapped as a d-pad by mistake. The difference being that most PS1 games support d-pad movement, whereas most N64 games don't.

[mellow path]

Check out Oot Randomizer if you want to play it like another 10 times in a few weeks span, it's Everdrive compatible

[tidal zenith]

has anyone tried the N64 NSO controller yet on MiSTer?

[orchid nimbus]

@dawn pebble

[zinc dew]

Why do you have A and B mapped to L3 and R3

[orchid nimbus]

Not anymore lol

[zinc dew]

Omg the transparent red is so 🔥

[orchid nimbus]

it's a decent controller - just finished Mario Kart 64 race again

[drowsy junco]

Hey, I just ordered that one

[zinc dew]

I like it more than the original Hori version

[native mesa]

Just reposting this for my own pleasure... HNGGGG

[daring meteor]

Once I saw the RSP tests passing its been non stop of this haha

[oblique remnant]

what are the 2 buttons above the Startbutton for? Mine doesn't have those

[vagrant ivy]

one has to be pushed every 108 minutes or Robert Explodes

I think the Jokes Lost on them Robby !

[zinc dew]

holy shit I laughed out loud at that. It wasn’t even that funny, just the sheer absurdity of it was too much for me

[drowsy junco]

Is that a Lost reference?

[vagrant ivy]

yes

[manic basin]

It's a bunker buster

[vagrant ivy]

Its the same time interval as the Swan button had to be pressed

[drowsy junco]

That's one of the few things I remember from that show. Never finished it

[zinc dew]

What show? the joke was lost on me!

[vagrant ivy]

The Smoke Monster will be coming for you

[wanton sun]

i lost 😦

[orchid nimbus]

doesn't matter it works 😄

[wanton sun]

it's playable if you don't mind missing backgrounds

[manic basin]

The copays are outrageous where I live.

Mario is a grifter.

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun would you please release? 😄 we are all bored and want to test

[daring meteor]

E8000? That's a new code

[wanton sun]

not perfect yet, but much better

[daring meteor]

Yoshi Duplication Glitch

[wanton sun]

not sure what is going on. The sprite for the driver really seems to be there twice. Likely one should be invisible

[cerulean elk]

Mario Kart 64 X Portal. They drive through the void and come out elsewhere

[languid dune]

I have, it works great so far in my experience. Started using it for testing the N64 core as well.

[tidal zenith]

sweet

[orchid nimbus]

I got too many controllers for the MiSTer

no way I'm going to get the NeoGeo one too

[tidal zenith]

I did

[chilly ember]

I have too many controllers for everything

[languid dune]

You can never have too many controllers.

Never!

The only odd behavior I noticed with the NSO N64 controller on MiSTer is that the 4 little lights on top of the controller continue to cycle back and forth once it's connected. Which is not something that my other NSO controllers do (Genesis, SNES). It works just fine, but those lights never stop moving back and forth.

[cerulean elk]

my Switch Pro does it as well when wired

[silent marten]

OMG things are looking amazing, I really want to test it now 🙂

[cerulean elk]

constantly looking for the Switch

[vagrant ivy]

It will answer to the Name Kitt

[wanton sun]

testbuild is there now

[orchid nimbus]

yay!!!

[silent marten]

Thank you!!!!!

[vagrant ivy]

Yes make Bacon make another video !

[languid dune]

🎉

[languid dune]

Bring out the whip!

[native mesa]

Quick someone post a vid I'm at work!

[orchid nimbus]

NO!!

[cerulean elk]

so can I stop working? Its the weekend right?

[wanton sun]

one little request: there is a bug where the new palette texture sometimes have a random flickering pixel. If anyone find a reproducible situation in a game, still image prefered, where this happens and the Errorcode is without bit15(smaller than E8000) , please tell me where, so i have a chance of fixing it

[native mesa]

I love Robert's 'dont expect anything new until the weekend'

[cerulean elk]

never ending

I am backed up on voice overs and trying to get through them today. Cold had my voice on hold for like 10 days

[vagrant ivy]

Use an AI trained on your voice

[wanton sun]

not too much new overall. Some games have text now and some textures are there, but still a lot missing. If you see E8000, the game uses a draw mode that the core doesn't support yet, likely ending in black polygons

[native mesa]

black is my favorite color

[daring meteor]

So we got:
CI4
IA4
I4
CI8
IA8
I8
On this commit, only IA16 and YUV16 missing

[terse canyon]

star fox intro looks great

[daring meteor]

Robert on a big roll

[native mesa]

BINGO

[silent marten]

More things rendering in Tetrisphere

[languid dune]

Damn, Mortal Kombat 4 is showing massive improvement! Nearly everything is visible now. All menus, the characters select. Only thing missing are the characters in the matches.

[vagrant ivy]

Quest 6 4 is perfectly rendered !

[wanton sun]

palette in alpha mode is also missing. And of course the other modes that should not be allowed to be used are still used by some games

[native mesa]

Quest64.q64

[vagrant ivy]

Thats the Invisible Fighters patch

[native mesa]

That's fine that's just reptiles invisibilty move

[cerulean elk]

ok ok one more voice over and I will turn my MiSTer on for a tomorrow video

[daring meteor]

Guessing Palette in Alpha is next on your pipeline?

[vagrant ivy]

Time to announce the core will be paid only and on the Mars !

[native mesa]

Robert you could milk us patrons for months but you choose not to. ❤️

[languid dune]

Interesting that Sub-Zero's ice clone actually is visible in MK4.

[silent marten]

Ahhhhhhh txt in starfox menu 😮

[cerulean elk]

anyone try any bombermans?

[languid dune]

MK Trilogy is also working now!

[languid dune]

Really well too.

[cerulean elk]

:shudders:.....mmm delicious!

[wanton sun]

it has some transparency issues and the framerate is too low without the cpu datacache, but otherwise seems to be fine

[tidal zenith]

how did you get it mapped. Mine seems to be sending phantom keypresses

[native mesa]

You say these things like they are a mark of shame lol. It's amazing progress!

[tidal zenith]

so I can't do controller mapping

[silent marten]

N64 expansion Pak detected message in the world is not enough 😮

[languid dune]

You just have to hold it steady. The analog stick is super sensitive. It took me a few tries.

[silent marten]

DK64 still doesn't detect it 😦

[daring meteor]

The Mario Kart menu doesn't count, right?

Its a still image but obv E8000

[zenith orchid]

it's playable????? 👀

[fallen sparrow]

Nice, another awesome update. I gotta be up at 4am to take pops to the airport, so maybe something tomorrow for me

[fair stump]

Mario party intro is working. Is that new?

[wanton sun]

yes, unfortunatly the missing copy mode makes it near impossible to compare the rendered pixels

[zenith orchid]

It amazes me how much hype and popularity there is for the N64 console despite how tiny the library is

[fair stump]

I'm a bit behind on everyone's testing 😄

[wanton sun]

if you don't mind missing backgrounds. The pills and stuff is all there and it runs at full 60fps

[zenith orchid]

Yessssssss!!!

[native mesa]

how does bob-omb battlefield look?

[daring meteor]

Anyone knows what format the backgrounds are?

[wanton sun]

bob-omb needs the 2 pass rendering

[languid dune]

Dang, Pokemon Puzzle League still not working.

[zenith orchid]

I can probably manage that 🙂 tysm!

[languid dune]

I mean it boots, but it's not playable due to visual issues.

[oblique remnant]

Wonder Project J2 works on the Intro then black screen...

[zenith orchid]

Tetris Attack 64?

[fair stump]

All of the Mario party intro works, visuals and everything seem to break afterwards

[languid dune]

Pokemon Puzzle League

[zenith orchid]

Ah yes!

[cerulean elk]

My main man Bomberman!

[zenith orchid]

Well, now that there's Dr. Mario 64, it's about time I set up N64 on my MiSTer

btw, is the item box visible in MK64 yet?

[oblique remnant]

its a Start 🙂

[cerulean elk]

any signs of life out of Sin and Punishment?

[daring meteor]

Chameleon Twist works

[native mesa]

How does the Ganbare Goemon theme look?

[silent marten]

Tiggers honey hunt is displaying some stuff

[languid dune]

Rampage!

[fair stump]

[daring meteor]

Sin and punishment is playable... For a couple of seconds

[fair stump]

Intro and main menu works. Breaks a little bit into the first mission

[placid quiver]

Man I can't keep up with this core

[languid dune]

Yoshi's Story gets in game now!

[orchid nimbus]

paper mario - name entry crash on game start

[oblique remnant]

💣 💣 💣

[orchid nimbus]

w00t

[desert crow]

great to see all the games coming to life

[silent marten]

MK4 is errmm playable

Characters are a little bit broken up but it works

[orchid nimbus]

Rayman2 gets ingame and you only hear music

[native mesa]

wunya-ninya

[silent marten]

Midway arcade classics gets ingame now

[orchid nimbus]

\o/

big leaps

[languid dune]

Dang, Doom 64 still mostly black screen. Some HUD elements show up now though.

[fair stump]

NFL Quarterback club 98 menus work but they're very hard to parse

[orchid nimbus]

well the 'Resident Evil' sample works

[carmine kettle]

cruis n usa works

[stiff storm]

Incredible progress. It will be ready before Saturn 🤣

[native mesa]

So it's working as expected then

[viral swift]

Cruisn USA Looks fantastic

[carmine kettle]

yup

[desert nest]

Wow that's nuts

[fallen sparrow]

This sh## is BANANAS 🍌

[native mesa]

Well Robert isn't in a war torn country

[languid dune]

Yeah, I was just testing Cruis'n USA. Looks really good!

[carmine kettle]

crusin world also works expect exotica

[orchid nimbus]

starfox 64 looks nice with some extra effects

[stiff storm]

that's true 👍

[languid dune]

Yeah, Exotica locks up at the leg logo.

[fair stump]

Oh shit

[daring meteor]

California Speed works if you press start, but needs 2 pass to render anything intresting

[oblique remnant]

ISS 64

[fair stump]

The battle for Hoth seems totally stable

[languid dune]

Holy crap, Bust-a-Move 2 looks like an Atari 2600 game.

[tidal zenith]

so, I can hear mario kart, but I can't see it.

this is my first attempt into the core, and I did read the vampier page

[viral swift]

Fuck Gamescom, this is so much better 😁

[silent marten]

This update is insane

[hot spoke]

Is there an update script like for the test cores of Saturn and PSX already?

[fair stump]

Shadows of the Empire working was one of my biggest anticipations

[languid dune]

Bust-a-Move 2

[tidal zenith]

do I need a specific video mode for this core separate from what I use elsehwere?

[orchid nimbus]

no

[viral swift]

Quake goes ingame but Everthing is DARK 😃

[hot spoke]

Only via analog output

[tidal zenith]

I am on HDMI, I can hear the games, but I can't see them

[silent marten]

Sounds like Quake xD

[tidal zenith]

using today's update, and I have a boot.rom and the N64-database.txt file

[viral swift]

Gentlemen ... Behold!!

[languid dune]

Most of Beetle Adventure Racing's menus are shown now. But races still crash just as they get started.

[carmine kettle]

nooooo

[carmine kettle]

bootleg

[languid dune]

Sadly, the title screen is as far as it goes.

[zinc dew]

Every journey starts with a first step

[gritty current]

OOT any better?

[carmine kettle]

no meme 😂

[fair stump]

I got a yellow line

Don't think it improved

[tidal zenith]

anyone, completely black screen with sound? dual ram setup, 1440p output

[remote hatch]

Quest 6 4 works , N64 core is thus completed

[silent marten]

Everything is fine here 1080P output over HDMI

[languid dune]

I prefer 1080 Snowboarding. But you do you.

[tidal zenith]

dangit wtf am I doing wrong

[carmine kettle]

are you using ubstable?

[wanton sun]

doesn't it crash after title screen?

[fair stump]

Mystical Ninja intro works. Black screen on actual gameplay

[chilly ember]

Does banjo kazooie show anything now?

[wanton sun]

not much

[languid dune]

I literally just took a photo of that. 😅

[chilly ember]

Dang, though I'm not surprised because rareware game

[languid dune]

Black screen in game. But foot step can be heard!

[oblique remnant]

best update so far 🙂

[remote hatch]

Sorry , just kidding , I haven't tested it yet 🙂

[weary palm]

"You thrust the hammer into your chest! Blood begins to
flow! Suicide won't help in your quest."

[tidal zenith]

lol I needed the test mister too, do'h

[silent marten]

It does display more stuff

[fair stump]

Seems fully functional so far

[languid dune]

Star Soldier!

[fair stump]

Penny racers eventually froze mid race after a minute or two

[silent marten]

We have menu!!!

[manic basin]

Mr. Dukem Nukem III is showing his colors now as well.

[oblique remnant]

we have player textures 🙂

[fair stump]

Fantastic update @wanton sun thank you very much!

[cerulean elk]

gonna start testing as soon as my computer is done with these renders

[languid dune]

Make sure to test Star Soldier! Gotta get those viewers numbers down.

[silent marten]

Chameleon Twist renders now

[cerulean elk]

it working? I did not xfer that to my card yet

[languid dune]

#1096015979055697940 message

[fair stump]

Menus work, freezes after loading a minigame

[manic basin]

So close to cursed....

[cerulean elk]

missed that. Ok will add it

[wanton sun]

ok guys, need to leave for today, hope you have some fun, wasn't expecting it to have such huge influence 🙂

[night saddle]

oh sweet! just tried this a few days ago and it was impossible to know whats was going on.

[silent marten]

Thank you again Robert, enjoy your night

[daring meteor]

You weren't expecting 6 texture modes to have such huge influence?

[fair stump]

I only tried loading one of the mini games. I'm curious if any other game modes work

[chrome quest]

Quick battle crashes same as it has on recent cores, locks up near instant with grating audio

[cerulean elk]

I didnt even want to be in my office today. 100 degrees in Chicago. so much equipment running lol

[cyan pagoda]

I don’t need to try it yet … I don’t need to try it yet … I don’t need to try it yet … I don’t need to try it yet … you guys are tempting me so much omg 😂

[fair stump]

Seems to be working

[silent marten]

You cannot catch a break VGE!!!

[fair stump]

Character moves fast

[viral swift]

Tarzan is playable

[zinc dew]

You sure? It wasn’t even playable in 98.

Haw haw just kidding, I never played that game.

[languid dune]

Not playable sadly, but title screen!

[silent marten]

Yo Robby we getting closer to the point where you have to convince Kitrinx to clear the filter lol

[zinc dew]

omg Chameleon Twist is playable!

[fair stump]

Also, huge thank you to @maiden wyvern for the remote script. Grabbing screenshots and sharing here is so much faster with that

[languid dune]

Nevah!

[zinc dew]

Holy shut why didn’t I think of that LMAO

[cerulean elk]

just killed Bowser lol. Fun times

[oblique remnant]

yataaaah!

[cerulean elk]

interesting how one bowser fight has floor textures and the other doesnt

[fair stump]

[viral swift]

Wipeout playable at 30 flat

[woeful grove]

I was like "you know maybe the Quest 64 filter is getting a little old" and robby was like "Nooo leave it, in fact make it more strict, people get through it too easily" and I was like "You know what Robby, you're totally right, lets lock this shit down"

[placid quiver]

@fallen sparrow and @cerulean elk have got to feel like the gif of the guy sweating in Airplane with all these updates

[languid dune]

Harvest Moon!

[desert nest]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-20211479

[waxen bear]

Is there a particular romset you need to use? I have the latest core, MiSTer main and the txt file but can't even get Mario 64 to load past the splash screen

[placid quiver]

Lol I was trying to follow the no gif rule

[daring meteor]

That's normal, there's a patch because everyone wants to load Mario 64

[woeful grove]

there's not a no gif rule

[zinc dew]

Check the pins that game needs to be patched to get past the Mario face

[desert nest]

IIRC you have to patch Mario 64 currently

[woeful grove]

just dont use too many

[waxen bear]

Ah ok. thanks

[woeful grove]

it's more like a "don't be disruptive" rule

[daring meteor]

Look in the pins

[zinc dew]

Damn looking good!

[fallen sparrow]

Lol, it's all good though. I'm gonna try and do some testing shortly, if timings go well, I may be able to put a video out. I just have to get an early night tonight

[vagrant ivy]

Just dont sleep

[fallen sparrow]

Also Robby, you look good

[cerulean elk]

haha I wont go till tomorrow

no two in a rows...too much

[zinc dew]

no u

[fallen sparrow]

Nah, early morning airport run.

[languid dune]

Dang, Gex is still stuck in the shadow realm.

[desert nest]

@cerulean elk @fallen sparrow you guys could start alternating 😂

[vagrant ivy]

so dont sleep ! Or just send your Father on a bike !

[placid quiver]

Bacon X Cherry collab

[cerulean elk]

we are lol

[cerulean elk]

I dont know if we planned it but @fallen sparrow and I chat a ton in the background on who is working on what

[fallen sparrow]

I'd still have to peddle

[cerulean elk]

doing Star Soldier now

[pallid forum]

MK4 went from black screen to very very playable... Crazy 🙂

[vagrant ivy]

Thats what Children are for