Nintendo 64

[orchid nimbus]

oh yeah Mario Kart 64 doesn't crash if you don't spam start like crazy

I saw someone comment on that earlier

[dreamy kayak]

Even if i can't get the database thing working it was pretty neat to watch Earthworm Jim play the accordian.

[zinc dew]

You know what I love?

[mild ether]

Vivid Dolls?

[orchid nimbus]

baby don't hurt me

[mild ether]

A game I can't mention?

[chilly ember]

No more

[zinc dew]

The MiSTer

You know what else I love?

[orchid nimbus]

having the mario kart 64 demo running you can see all the courses

with varying results

[chilly ember]

I'm finally home to test some things now

[fallen sparrow]

A video testing a few games in latest build
https://youtu.be/QHU34zn71nA

[languid dune]

All of us right?

[zinc dew]

MiSTer community is genuinely the best community I’ve ever had the honor to be a part of ❤️

[languid dune]

The love that just keeps on giving.

[zinc dew]

other than my days as a Miami cocaine cowboy

But I can’t legally talk about that anymore

[languid dune]

Glad to see that the menu issue in Mario Kart 64 has been figured out! Looking forward to testing it out tomorrow!

That explains why when I was testing Clayfighter that both characters would move and attack at the same time! I was wondering why that was happening! 😅

[fallen sparrow]

I'd agree, but the brotherhood of the secret fist was pretty tight.

[languid dune]

All these double lives!

[fallen sparrow]

Oh damn, it's not secret fist anymore. I guess MiSTer it is then.

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun I have a better idea, could you make an error code when TLB is called that says "TLB" in it? That way we'll know not to test it until you start working on TLB?

[orchid nimbus]

making a HTML table N64 controller

for the FAQ

does it look clear

I'll clean it up a bit

[maiden wyvern]

looks beautiful

[languid dune]

Needs the claws.

[mild ether]

Up up

[zinc dew]

WHERE Z

[orchid nimbus]

where is the damn Z located

[languid dune]

lol

[zinc dew]

At the booty

[orchid nimbus]

ah

the Z-hole trigger

[chilly ember]

Z for zap

[languid dune]

It really is like the booty. Right under the stick.

[chilly ember]

Behind the stick

[topaz otter]

thats for playing podracer on the n64. You can control each engine independently in that game with a cheat code. That guy made that controller maybe 15, 16 years ago

he actually did a reall great job

[dreamy kayak]

Got it working

I was on the wrong unstable nightly

[spare meadow]

If I am not mistaken, the DPad on Mario 64 works as the same as the C buttons. On MK Triology, the Dpad works as a regular Dpad and the C buttons as punch/kick/block

[orchid nimbus]

Oh I'm not documeting that yet

[topaz otter]

the dpad in mario 64 does nothing

[chilly ember]

In Kirby 64 the analog does nothing

[dreamy ridge]

sorry if i'm re-asking noob alread-asked questions, but i have the rbf robert sent in the patreon post late last week. is there a more up to date version? also what do i name the rom folder?

[topaz otter]

you're right

I think they wanted kirby to be easy for kids to play

hence why you just push right on the dpad the entire game and occasionally hit the b button

[zenith orchid]

@dreamy ridge its in the test builds channel #test-builds

[lament escarp]

/games/N64

[zenith orchid]

I highly recommend you check the pins in this channel for the bulk of the information you need

[dreamy ridge]

beautiful, got it. thanks!!!

[topaz otter]

man theres a lot of new people in this chat

the livestreams are really bringing them in

[zenith orchid]

there'll be many more, especially when z-buffer and the most important texture modes are added

[dreamy ridge]

n64 is a lit core nearly everyone had written off as impossible lol. it's a draw

[topaz otter]

its bussin as the kids say

[chilly ember]

Surely lots of people willing to buy a mister now to avoid that ultra HDMI tax

[cerulean elk]

N64 brings the crowds in

[zinc dew]

As a reminder; I’ll be here doing my best to make sure the latest build is pinned

[lament escarp]

The more capable the core the more interesting it is to people. Playing janky, probably soon lees janky mk64 is a way better proposition than to talk with us about the nature of the n64 die.

[zenith orchid]

my goodness, starfox 64 made quite a significant stride!

[zinc dew]

You’re absolutely right but I love janky N64 lmao

The mind boggles at the graphical corruptions. Like why is half the screen perfect but the other half a shadow world abomination

[zenith orchid]

Jank64 will be a real hashtag in no time

maybe it'll be used in speedrun challenges

[lament escarp]

I don't mind the janky games, but I'm so tantalized by the many games you can hear the gameplay but see nothing!

[native mesa]

Does the core have multiple display modes or can I make a modeline so analog signal is not jittery?

[hearty oar]

I don't think spending a lot of time playing half working games is for me, but I'm loving watching the results everyone is posting here and seeing how things develop

[zenith orchid]

@native mesa 320×240 to 640×480 pixels

480i or 240p depending on the video output

[native mesa]

so 240p and 480i

[zenith orchid]

yeah

[native mesa]

does anything use 480i

[zinc dew]

‽ ‽ ‽

[zenith orchid]

composite/s-video?

with rgb output you can get 240p, but some expansion pack games only do 480i

[lament escarp]

Didn't re2 pull a 240p gameplay/480i menu thing on psx? Dunno if it does the same on n64.

[native mesa]

apparently turok does 480x232

guess I'd have to do a bunch of modelines

[orchid nimbus]

there we go

analogue stick shold be wider

brb

[zenith orchid]

Sounds like they trimmed off some overscan to better improve rendering time

[lament escarp]

I don't think all the buttons are square 🤡

[zenith orchid]

that might be part of the reason the game runs so smooth

[dreamy ridge]

i can load into the n64 menu, i can select a game and it loads (mario kart), but i get a black screen. do i need to toggle these menu options in a certain way?

[cerulean elk]

I like the half broken games MORE…just because it’s so diff than what I remember anything being like. It’s as if the N64 is new again after decades

[orchid nimbus]

@lament escarp sssh

you guys are demaning perfection

lol

[lament escarp]

Mk64 should work without any patches/adjustments. You got the pif and the database text file?

[lament escarp]

Now the dpad is wrong 🤡

[orchid nimbus]

......

FFS

SSSH 😄

[dreamy ridge]

thanks quirrin. i don't have those...where to find them please?

[zenith orchid]

the z trigger shape is not in the right orientation 😄

[lament escarp]

Pif is a secret to everybody. It's like the bios.

[dreamy ridge]

ahh okay i will track it down with my internet sleuthing skills

[lament escarp]

Database textfile is on @orchid nimbus 's website, which should be pinned somewhere

[zenith orchid]

its the earliest pin on this channel

[dreamy ridge]

thanks guys. do you know offhand what directory i drop this pif

[lament escarp]

Cram it all in N64

Mind the correct file names though

[dreamy ridge]

got it. thanks again!!!

[lament escarp]

You're very welcome

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/

[zinc dew]

I love how we’re witnessing the evolution of @orchid nimbus as a graphic artist

[orchid nimbus]

Implementing the controller

@zinc dew this is just HTML and CSS

I've been doing this stuff since 1997

[lament escarp]

Did I mention it's 3am where I am and I can't sleep?

[native mesa]

Umm

[lament escarp]

Dow

n

[native mesa]

Gotta make it responsive bro

[zenith orchid]

@dreamy ridge friendly reminder that all that info is in vampier's website in the pins

[lament escarp]

Pscht than nobody will think I'm smart when reading it to them. 😄

[orchid nimbus]

@lament escarp what?

[zenith orchid]

being efficient isn't smart? 😄

[languid dune]

Would just using an image work?

[lament escarp]

Looks warped

[languid dune]

Like this?

[native mesa]

Is a controller layout even necesarry? Is anyone here playing this that doesn't know the controller?

[orchid nimbus]

yes - but what's the fun in that?

[languid dune]

I could slice it up and export it as html

[orchid nimbus]

I like to do this... shut up 😄

[lament escarp]

Here surely, but at some point people who never played n64 will want to try

[native mesa]

Do an SVG

[orchid nimbus]

my website my rules

and that's the end of that

😄

[mild ether]

Aleck 64 PIF works and the N64 PIF bios needs "no intro" of course. Magic words.

[dreamy ridge]

Thanks! You may want to edit his pinned post to say something like "Full Setup Guide" in addition to the link. Just a suggetion!

[languid dune]

After that work I did...

[lament escarp]

I had to look up what a pc engine and sms controller looked like to map them correctly.

[lament escarp]

It's a really handy recource.

[native mesa]

N64 controller could have been good for Capcom fighters

[languid dune]

It works great for KI Gold for the same reason. Good d-pad, 6 button layout.

[orchid nimbus]

Here you see the layout of the controller for the N64 core - I have A and B linked to my Left and Right Analogue stick push. The N64 Analogue Stick Always get's mapped to Analogue Stick 1 and does not need to be configured.

[lament escarp]

I actually really like the n64 controller. It's a cool concept which doesn't follow the dualshock design which most other mainstream controllers did.

[zenith orchid]

Would you mind editing this message with the phrase "Full Setup Guide?"

[native mesa]

They failed pretty hard on the dpad though

[orchid nimbus]

@zenith orchid it's not

[zenith orchid]

then, whatever it is? the link by itself isn't very informative it seems

[orchid nimbus]

oh you meant to say the message itself

[zinc dew]

@orchid nimbus I bought an NFT of your website, according to the blockchain it’s now my website

[zenith orchid]

yeahh

[native mesa]

@orchid nimbus can you add the aleck64 pif SHA1 hash?

[zenith orchid]

sorry I was unclear

[orchid nimbus]

@native mesa sure

[dreamy ridge]

it could just be me, the old school internet taught me to not just click random links lol

[orchid nimbus]

just give me the SHA1 and what it is

[languid dune]

I took a screen shot of your profile pic and sold it as an NFT for 10 cents!

[orchid nimbus]

well I'll put your mugggg back on it then

[zenith orchid]

@dreamy ridge I remember those days lol

[zinc dew]

fml I got bodied twice in a row lol

[orchid nimbus]

in text

[native mesa]

Lol

[orchid nimbus]

crist - I'm not going to type that

I use the same one - it's all over the internet

dumped in 1994

[native mesa]

SHA1 hash of boot.rom:
9174eadc0f0a2654c95fd941406ab46b9dc9bdd
Certutil: - hashfile command completed successfu

[zinc dew]

SHAl hash of boot.rom:
9174eadc0f0ea2654c95fd941406ab46b9dc9bdd
Certutil: - hashfile command completed successfu

[orchid nimbus]

so what's the output pal/ntsc

?

what region

[native mesa]

Region free I believe

[mild ether]

It's arcade and the output is RGB

[zinc dew]

Says Region: Nunya? Know if it?

[orchid nimbus]

added

[dreamy ridge]

holy SMOKES this is so incredible...mario kart 64, the menus, the music, you can complete a whole race, he has made WILD progress. unbelieveable

[mild ether]

Someone put Aleck 64 eproms in a NTSC cartridge and it booted but did not work in a PAL cart.

Let me look at the mame sauce for it.

[lament escarp]

Check again tomorrow, if you're lucky we'll get z buffering by than, which should make everything even better.

[dreamy ridge]

robert is genuinely a hero

[native mesa]

That will make a lot of things playable if the madman does it

[languid dune]

I'd say poor Robby, but....you know. ||Just kidding, we love you man!||

[lament escarp]

Best part is the fpga is still only 65% used. So it's a really good chance it'll fit without many compromises

[zinc dew]

lmao why are you doing victory laps on me fml

[cerulean elk]

@languid dune has got you on the ropes

[lament escarp]

Fatality!

[languid dune]

Looking forward to checking out tomorrow's build so we can finally play flower and star cup in Mario Kart 64.

[brisk drum]

As soon as daikatana starts working I’m hoping on the core

[lament escarp]

Appearently there is a fixed version of aydin chronicles which should help with the crashes.

[zinc dew]

FRIEND, AMIGO, BROTHER

[zinc dew]

Does it help with the gameplay tho

[brisk drum]

Hermano!

https://tenor.com/view/look-smirk-mustache-eyebrow-raise-mexican-gif-15128495

[zinc dew]

HERMANO!!!!

|| I own Aidyn Chronicles CIB ||

[lament escarp]

Found a reddit page with links to different versions, but I think they prepatched and not patches themself. So shouldn't really share the link right?

[brisk drum]

Someone test daikatana right now!

I must know

[zinc dew]

Yah please don’t, thanks for asking though. Very much appreciated!

[lament escarp]

Didn't last time I checked

[brisk drum]

Dang it

[lament escarp]

There are patches for custom partys and stuff. Dunno much about the game, but chances aren't bad there's something there that makes the game better. Not like it could get much worse

[zinc dew]

So many wonderful games to play, Daikatana, Quest64, Aidyn Chrinicles, Superman, Carmageddon, Clay Figjtrr

I am so very excited

[lament escarp]

Yeah, dunno why Robert focuses so much on these plumber games. What a troll.

[cold pollen]

I hear sometimes they wear ties

[zinc dew]

[chilly ember]

Plumbers don't wear ties tho

[cold pollen]

ever?

ties: not even once

[chilly ember]

Never, too dirty. Dips in the toilet bowl

[iron dove]

Where do you hail from @orchid nimbus ?
For some reason I thought the USA but you spell analogue like the queen

Or king big ears now I suppose

[native mesa]

Can someone do me a physics equation on how Mario could spin around two ton bowser like that? His shoes must have mega friction

The amount of friction needed for Mario to spin Bowser around while anchoring his heels to the ground would depend on various factors, including the coefficient of friction between Mario’s shoes and the ground, the length of Bowser’s tail, and the force Mario can exert.

To simplify the calculation, let’s assume:

1.    The coefficient of friction between Mario’s shoes and the ground is sufficient to prevent slipping.
2.    Bowser’s tail is long enough to allow Mario to swing him around comfortably.
3.    Mario is able to exert the necessary force to start and maintain the spin.

In this idealized scenario, the frictional force required to spin Bowser around in a circle can be calculated using the following formula:

Frictional Force = (Mass of Bowser * (linear speed of Bowser)^2) / Radius of the circle

Assuming Mario is swinging Bowser in a circular path with a certain radius, the linear speed of Bowser would be determined by how fast Mario can spin him around.

Keep in mind that this is a highly simplified and hypothetical scenario, and in reality, it would involve complex physics, including torque, angular momentum, and more. The actual frictional force required would depend on these factors and would likely be much greater than what a human of Mario’s size could realistically generate.

[zinc dew]

You are four parallel universes ahead of us

[orchid nimbus]

I am a mix - I should spell check more

[iron dove]

haha not at all, I use both depending how lazy i feel (from Australia)

[orchid nimbus]

@iron dove I live in California but I am born in the Netherlands

[iron dove]

just wondered 🙂

[teal citrus]

Change that title to Turok 3, and see if it'll fry the Mister.

[native mesa]

I always read your name like vam pee ay

[orchid nimbus]

Vam-peer

[native mesa]

Given a radius of 5 meters and a rotational speed of 1 rotation per second (1 Hz), we can calculate the approximate frictional force required to spin Bowser around in a circle using the simplified formula mentioned earlier:

Frictional Force = (Mass of Bowser * (linear speed of Bowser)^2) / Radius of the circle

1.    Mass of Bowser = 1600 pounds = 725.75 kilograms (assuming Earth’s gravity).
2.    Linear speed of Bowser = 2 * π * Radius = 2 * π * 5 meters/second = 31.42 meters/second.
3.    Radius of the circle = 5 meters.

Now, we can calculate:

Frictional Force = (725.75 kg * (31.42 m/s)^2) / 5 m ≈ 14,431.96 Newtons

So, the approximate frictional force required for Mario to spin Bowser around with a 5-meter radius and a speed of 1 rotation per second would be approximately 14,431.96 Newtons. This is a substantial amount of force and far beyond what a human-sized character like Mario could realistically generate, especially considering the enormous size and mass difference between Mario and Bowser.

[cold pollen]

I sentence you to be EXPOSED before Vam-peer

[quasi storm]

Vam-pierre

[native mesa]

What was Miyomoto thinking. He expects us to believe Mario can achieve that level of friction with is shoes?

[iron dove]

poor guy doesnt need to see that

[cold pollen]

he expected us to believe a lot really

[chilly ember]

Mario never skips leg day

[native mesa]

How deep do you think jolly Rogers bay is

[quasi storm]

This is the same plumber who was able to fly with wings that were WAY too small for their purpose, all while attached to a hat that was sitting on his head. I mean, how TIGHT was that hat?!

[chilly ember]

Like 10 metres max lol

[mild ether]

@orchid nimbus boot.rom JP RGB 60HZ Aleck 64 9174EADC0F0EA2654C95FD941406AB46B9DC9BDD

That is all correct. I checked the specs and was only released in Japan.

[iron dove]

in sunshine water seems to be compressible, that tank sure holds a lot
Game developers cannot be trusted to educate our children

[quasi storm]

You know how many fence posts I ran around, hoping money would fly out?

[chilly ember]

Can you imagine how heavy that tank would be

Water is heavy af

[quasi storm]

At least one...

Then my brother just pelted me with change.

[orchid nimbus]

I’ll change it when I come home - thanks for confirming 🙂

[native mesa]

I think Marios brain would be mush if he actually went to the bottom of jolly Rogers bay

[iron dove]

coins can be hard to breathe, tho i cant speak for japanese ones

[elfin relic]

50 yen and 5 yen coins have holes so maybe that makes them less of a choking hazzard

[chilly ember]

I think a human could survive the depth of jolly Roger Bay. There is a pool irl that goes down to 40 metres and they let people free dive and scuba down

[iron dove]

The more you know ⭐

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/2i7WjYp8Nc8

[native mesa]

I would think the relatively narrow tube would limit water pressure but I'm not a water scientist

[chilly ember]

Me either 😅

Megaman 64 gets in game but no graphics, some models moving on start menu tho

[manic basin]

I played an entire game. But it looks like the single control port maps to all inputs. Which made for some fun.

[chilly ember]

Robert has fixed that but hasn't commited change yet

said was gonna clean up code and release tomorrow

[mild ether]

I gave up in the menus but seemed stable.

[manic basin]

"Prerendered cheerleader's got dead eyes. Like a doll's eyes. We're gonna need a bigger pom pom."

The Buccaneers are generous lovers.

[zinc dew]

omg wave race intro shows the water and has polygon outlines

[manic basin]

Yeah, it's nuts!

[zinc dew]

testing out a cool ass script to simplify game testing, it auto launches games in alphabetical order, waits a set amount of seconds, then launches the next game. Should make things way easier to see library-wide improvements

Going through my N64 collection now, just watching

omg Mario 64 through the ages boots

[manic basin]

There are a few games that take up to 60 seconds. so that's a huge time saver in testing!

[zinc dew]

@maiden wyvern’s the mad lad genius behind it. What an amazing script/tool he’s making. He’s too kind.

[chilly ember]

That's awesome

[zinc dew]

He has a bunch of awesome extensions - https://github.com/wizzomafizzo/mrext

Once it’s ready to go live I think it’ll be posted in that link above.

[chilly ember]

I look forward to it

[cold pollen]

age of*

[manic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/stark-sands-dancing-broadway-kinky-boots-gif-9911485

[zinc dew]

oh damn, Clay Fighter - Sculptor's Cut has a working intro

[chilly ember]

Kinda :p

[vapid hawk]

neat!

[orchid nimbus]

I always wanted a web interface

tried to make one myself with some python but never really got serious into it

[zinc dew]

You're right, I should've added "in comparison to most other games at the moment" lol

[chilly ember]

It's great in comparison to 90% of the games 😂

Gex 3 deep Cover Gecko intro video displays models but still crashes after a minute

[vapid moat]

Tried out PAL-boot.rom for PAL-games but looks like PAL-mode's not yet been fully implemented (games run a bit faster than they should)

Also do not judge me trying to play the games on PAL-versions lol - being an European that grew with them and can't find same nostalgic sounds from NTSC-versions (SM64's PAL-version has slightly different SFX or voice pitches for example)

[mild ether]

TLB No face patch for iQUE Super Mario 64 (CHN)

TLB No face patch for Super Mario 64 (Japan)

[elfin relic]

it takes a bit of making sure you skip the intro, and then flying blind in the menu, but with the latest core I can sorta get in game in Sin & Punihsment for some seconds before it freezes

great success

[zinc dew]

Star successor

[elfin relic]

geat star sucess

get bonus

[mild ether]

TLB No face patch for Super Mario 64 (Japan) (Rev 3) (Shindou Edition)

[orchid nimbus]

@mild ether are you making these patches?

[chilly ember]

Trying the ique patch

[mild ether]

yes

[orchid nimbus]

you want me to include them on the webpage (with credits)

?

[mild ether]

Yes you can include them.

[orchid nimbus]

can you sent me them all in a zip file?

I'll break them out and will document them

[mild ether]

when I am finished patching I will send them your way.

[orchid nimbus]

thanks 🙂

[mild ether]

TLB No face patch for Super Mario 64 (USA) (LodgeNet)

@orchid nimbus check messages

TLB No face patch for Super Mario 64 (Europe) (En,Fr,De)

Thats all of them.

[chilly ember]

Ique version crashes in cool cool mountain for me

[mild ether]

Can probably make patches for the level select too but I think its to late to start tonight.

[chilly ember]

No worries, I'm just bored with a capture card :p

Was curious if it would get any farther than usa/na version

[mild ether]

No idea what the differences between all those versions besides language,

[chilly ember]

Shindou has some bug fixes

Can't do the stair glitch

Speedrunners hate it

I think ique is also shindou

[hearty oar]

No so long gay bowser in shindou

[mild ether]

Lodgenet probably is a later compiled version also.

[chilly ember]

I don't know anything about the lodge net but it could be shindou version too

[mild ether]

Just the games they had you could pay to play in hotel rooms. It was run on a central server and you just had a controller by the TV in the room. It wasn't around until a while after launch of n64.

[chilly ember]

I remember seeing one in a motel around the time

It was stupid expensive to play so I never tried it

[mild ether]

yep.

[languid dune]

Yeah, the game is looking increasingly moist with every update!

[carmine kettle]

Looks awesome but in my end doesn’t look like that oh well

[chilly ember]

I'm using the ique version with justz00t's no face patch so there's some black squares for the HUD that are not presently showing in in the USA release in this version of the core

[chilly ember]

Did you use patch to get past the face before the file select?

[wanton sun]

it's not so easy, as many other games also touch the TLB instructions to initialize it, but then never use it. That's probably the reason you often see bit 1 (e.g. E0002) as error code

@zenith orchid

[lament escarp]

Probably easier than to just pin a list with known tlb functionality

[wanton sun]

some i still remember: Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Bomberman 64, Castlevania, BattleTanx, Re-Volt, All-Star Baseball 2000

[lament escarp]

Dengit, even castlevania? Guess it's gonna be a while.

[chilly ember]

Nice 😄

New update

[zenith orchid]

Oh okay got it, but does the game crash when it initializes TLB on the current core?

[wanton sun]

no, it ignores the cpu intruction and prints the error code instead

so if the game really needs the instruction to work, it will crash

[zenith orchid]

Oh okay, and it can't easily be diagnosed as a TLB related crash, and thus have a matching error code? What I'm aiming to do is save people time of testing games that are blocked by TLB related crashes until they're ready to be tested

[wanton sun]

even if the game uses it, it's unclear when. Could be instantly or could be when it goes ingame

sorry, can't really do much there

[zenith orchid]

So the best way to tell would be to use a software emulator with a debugger?

[wanton sun]

i can tell you easily with my emulator as i can set a breakpoint in debugger when the tlb is really used, but to do that, it must be implemented

But that doesn't really help you, as i cannot test all games for tlb

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I understand. What about implementing TLB just enough to return an error code? Or would that be more effort than it's worth?

[wanton sun]

i would rather not touch the tlb until i implement it, costs too much time

found my old list of games that are black screen on my emulator where i researched the reason. These are all games that need tlb instantly before showing anything:

[carmine kettle]

Yup

[wanton sun]

armorines - TLB
conker - TLB
fifa soccer 64 (usa) (en,fr,de) - TLB
gauntlet legends (usa) - TLB
goldeneye 007 (usa) - TLB
indiana jones and the infernal machine (usa) - TLB
jeremy mcgrath supercross 2000 (usa) - TLB
monaco grand prix (usa) - TLB
nba jam 2000 (usa) - TLB
nfl quarterback club 99 (usa) - TLB
paper mario (usa) - TLB
perfect dark (usa) - TLB
shadow man (usa) - TLB
south park (usa) - TLB
star wars episode i - battle for naboo (usa)- TLB
Turok - Rage Wars (USA) - TLB
Turok 2 - Seeds of Evil (USA) - TLB

[zenith orchid]

Oh okay

[zenith orchid]

These ones too?

[wanton sun]

these should crash later

[carmine kettle]

Which patcher did you use

[wanton sun]

i think mario tennis shows the camelot logo before it needs tlb

[zenith orchid]

Ah okay, but ultimately none of them let you go ingame due to TLB crashes

I can make note of this on the testing spreadsheet

Thank you for providing this

[wanton sun]

it's likely not a complete list. I only auto-tested every game for about 20 seconds

[zenith orchid]

It's better than nothing though. but if you know of an n64 software emulator that can tell you when a game actually uses TLB in its debugger, I can go through all games and label them accordingly in the spreadsheet

[wanton sun]

you could probably easily compile project64 or ares to show something on screen when a read through tlb was performed

[zenith orchid]

Ah, I don't have the expertise, but if anyone who does would be willing to do that, I would certainly put it to good use.

[wanton sun]

i don't want to spend the time currently for that, but if some programmer is here, they could do i guess. project64 compiles easily in visual studio under windows, ares compiles easily under linux

if the change works can be tested fast with mario64 when the tlb warning comes up with marios face

[zenith orchid]

Yep, that's exactly how I intended to test it 😄

[wanton sun]

or you could all just enjoy summer and autumn and we meet back end of the year with tlb 😉

[zenith orchid]

Haha yeah, just wanted to save the testers some time. It would be convenient if TLB related crashes showed the same kind of visual artifacts every time

[chilly ember]

No crash on bowser 2 anymore

[lament escarp]

Yeah, when you say that it'll probably be finished way before the end of the year. 🙂

[zenith orchid]

I really don't understand why bowser is so easy in SM64, that was always a let down for me.

[chilly ember]

Little more of challenge when you can't see mario hahah

But it's all in timing the throw

Speedrunners still mess it up

[zenith orchid]

it's only a challenge if it's a speedrun or a jank run lol

[chilly ember]

True :p

[carmine kettle]

This what I get lol

[chilly ember]

Did you get the latest test build?

One released less than an hour ago

[carmine kettle]

No I did not I’ll get it later on

[native mesa]

It's the mega friction shoes that make Mario OP. Given a radius of 5 meters and a rotational speed of 1 rotation per second (1 Hz), we can calculate the approximate frictional force required to spin Bowser around in a circle using the simplified formula mentioned earlier:

Frictional Force = (Mass of Bowser * (linear speed of Bowser)^2) / Radius of the circle

1. Mass of Bowser = 1600 pounds = 725.75 kilograms (assuming Earth's gravity).
2. Linear speed of Bowser = 2 * π * Radius = 2 * π * 5 meters/second = 31.42 meters/second.
3. Radius of the circle = 5 meters.

Now, we can calculate:

Frictional Force = (725.75 kg * (31.42 m/s)^2) / 5 m ≈ 14,431.96 Newtons

So, the approximate frictional force required for Mario to spin Bowser around with a 5-meter radius and a speed of 1 rotation per second would be approximately 14,431.96 Newtons. This is a substantial amount of force and far beyond what a human-sized character like Mario could realistically generate, especially considering the enormous size and mass difference between Mario and Bowser.

[chilly ember]

Finished bowser 3

[viscid gate]

Thanks for the controls update @wanton sun just tried a bit of battle mode with my daughter with N64 controller - more chaos than usual but the fun is there!

[oblique remnant]

Fifa World Cup '98 gets in Game 🙂

[thick terrace]

Awesome! I got in game on 007, I think. After getting a couple songs I got footstep and ambient sounds. Still all black, so who knows. One thing I am enjoying is the background music on these games that are all black. I got in game, or in demo video on one of the star wars games, black shapes on a black background with white lasers.

[viscid gate]

Can get to attract & menus in Diddy Kong Racing but no sound

[chilly ember]

Wave race gets in game now, finished the first race in first place

[oblique remnant]

🤘🏻, unfortunatly crashes when entering

[quick arch]

I let the intro on MK64 running for one hour and no crash 🙂

[brisk drum]

Is daikatana working ?

[chilly ember]

Noooo but its making sounds in the menu when you push A

Safe from John Romero for another day

[quick arch]

Wave Race 64 Shindou version stops working (E0042) on Nintendo Logo screen

[brisk drum]

Dang it!

[chilly ember]

killer instinct displays graphics offset to the right and freezes once in game

[fallen sparrow]

That really will be helpful, as sometimes things like life prevents me from checking the discord 24/7 lol

[fallen sparrow]

This is art

[fallen sparrow]

Permission to use this please? If the need arises

[chilly ember]

Yea no worries 😛

i finished the level on latest build

[fallen sparrow]

Sweet

I think if a new build drops today, I'll more than likely do a stream tonight

[bronze tree]

Earth Worm Jim doesn't hang anymore when you do nothing and let the example gameplay play in the beginning

[chilly ember]

I'm happy that bowser levels don't hang anymore it would seem

Might actually be possible to speedrun start to finish if it doesn't crash

[fallen sparrow]

If anyone can, you can!

[chilly ember]

Maybe 🙃

[silent marten]

Wetrix no longer crashes

[wanton sun]

this is related to eeprom, works if you turn it off. No idea which save type that version really has

[old vortex]

Mystical Ninja gets further in the intro now!

[bronze tree]

so the info in the database might be wrong?

[wanton sun]

or the eeprom implementation is wrong and that is stopping the game from working

but strange in any case

need to see what is going on with eeprom anyway, can't get mario64 to save. when i reset the game, the save is lost

[chilly ember]

😦

[fallen sparrow]

@chilly ember will have to finish in one sitting 😀

[silent marten]

120 stars, 1 sitting, no death run right xD

[fallen sparrow]

He can do it

[chilly ember]

I can do a 31 star run with the stair glitch 😛

120 would be madness with unrendered levels 😛

[silent marten]

Yeah I know 🙂 I was just kidding

[raw oriole]

Don’t we need a (soft) reset button on that, as came up yesterday?

[plucky nymph]

the mario64 cartridge doesn't save to a battery. it uses some form of solid state memory to store save files.

[chilly ember]

Which cup?

[bronze tree]

black square won!

[chilly ember]

My bets were on the black square winning

[quick arch]

Frist cup 50cc

[chilly ember]

Nice 😄

[quick arch]

Thank you I will turn it off for the moment

[wanton sun]

it will be automatically activated again for each game. Also could be that mario kart needs it to complete the cup

difficult situation currently, need to investigate when the graphics stuff is working better

[silent marten]

Hmmm I found something interesting in Namco Museum 64 - Pole Position, it works if you change to high gear straight away and then will crash if you switch back to low gear?!?!

[wanton sun]

how do you change the gear?

[quick arch]

take your time 🙂

[silent marten]

R (right bumper)

[fallen sparrow]

Interesting

[wanton sun]

very good, it crashes instantly when gear is down to low, much easier reproducible that way

hmm no, still only a chance

[silent marten]

There is no rush to fix it though, I was just checking if the crash was gone in todays build and it wasn't but I put the car in high gear

[old vortex]

Some parts of this intro are actually looking pretty damn good already.

[blissful plaza]

Banjo-Kazooie goes into the main game, without seeing almost anything I could talk to the mole and attack some enemies.

[silent marten]

Robotron still randomly crashes

Ridge Racer no longer gets to display the save data corrupt screen though so that is a regression but again no rush to fix it

[wanton sun]

could also be related to eeprom settings

yes...as RR64 really uses eeprom, the current implementation must be broken

(if you deactive eeprom, it works again)

[silent marten]

OK cool 🙂

Confirmed 🙂

Robert if you can work out what is crashing Robotron 64 that game will actually be almost fully playable

[fallen sparrow]

Robotron 64 is dope

[wanton sun]

it's a different crash likely, right? sound stops working when it crashes? any error bits go up when it happens?

[silent marten]

Like even at the moment everything renders just get to the level with the mushroom head

[silent marten]

Let me check that

No, E0002 on boot to E1002 at the menu and then whilst playing just a random crash, audio stops and FPS locks at 0

[wanton sun]

so diffrent then, cpu/rsp don't work anymore...will be more difficult, need to postpone that

[silent marten]

OK 🙂 no problem

The only thing that doesn't actually render in the game is text

But that is the same with almost every game right now so when the render mode is implemented for the text it should fix that one too

[remote hatch]

in rev 2 there is no offset

[chilly ember]

Niiiice

[remote hatch]

And the most important game

[chilly ember]

Is that a ring? 😮

[remote hatch]

when everything is black in this game it seems it is better 😄

yeah ring

Damn , lex wins

[chilly ember]

Ninten do what segdon't

[weary palm]

Bwosur

[remote hatch]

Chameleon twist

there is something there and it jumps 🙂

[remote hatch]

Chopper Attack

[maiden wyvern]

https://github.com/wizzomafizzo/mrext/blob/main/docs/launchseq.md

this is a script so you can sit and watch the core flick through the games

[thorn flax]

an alternative to Super Attract Mode?

[maiden wyvern]

you could use super attract mode too if you want. but this is a little more specific to testing the n64 core

but basically yes, similar results

[thorn flax]

I like using your remote. sadly the SAM keeps running if i select a game off the remote

might be I've got a setting wrong, but not sure

[maiden wyvern]

oh, it would wouldn't it

i'll speak to him about it. we can probably fix that

[oblique remnant]

in ISS 64 only the Player arms are displayed otherwise it runs 😄

[remote hatch]

San Francisco rush

[weary palm]

Thought that was Clock Town first 🙂

[remote hatch]

Snow bro kids works

[little socket]

someone willing to let mkt run until fail?

[chilly ember]

Mario kart?

[little socket]

mortal kombat trilogy

[weary palm]

Oh, I've forgotten to try Micro Machines 64 Turbo 🙂

[quick arch]

With JP version, it crashes when the race starts

[chilly ember]

@little socket doesn't seem to show anything for me really

really quiet sounds tho

[little socket]

thanks, no need to get up and walk to the other side of the room then

[chilly ember]

I already have my video uploading

[little socket]

though that is more colorful than two days or so ago

[remote hatch]

this is what the fight looks like in the MKT

[chilly ember]

Just not alot to see, at least not for me

[remote hatch]

I chose noob saibot

hehe

that's why it's so dark 😉

[chilly ember]

Same

[wanton sun]

checked in some changes, but nothing you should notice(optimizations only), just ignore it for now. Mostly a preparation so i can start with z-buffer

[remote hatch]

Nuclear strike

[quick arch]

Star Wars Shadow of the empires goes in game but it seems to loop somehow

[visual forge]

Hey dudes, how do I start Mario 64? I did it once but now it doesn't work anymore

When I press start at the mario face (which has been patched away), it goes back to the title screen

Okay, now it went directly to some bonus stage

[quick arch]

I don't have this beahavoir.
Have you update your mister main ?

[visual forge]

Oops, I ran update all today, maybe the unstable one got overwritten

[chilly ember]

The text doesn't show in the level select patch

6 up on analog gets to final bowser level

5 is second

[oblique remnant]

yeah US' version the same crashes when entering a race. but menus are running didn't expect that for a RARE Game 🙂

[visual forge]

No, same thing when I got the latest unstable mister from https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Main_MiSTer/releases/tag/unstable-builds

MiSTer_unstable_20230818_116413

[chilly ember]

analog likes to double input like it's overly sensitive on the level select, have to listen to the sounds

[visual forge]

Damn, same thing using the unbranded mister file found in test builds

[chilly ember]

Oddness

[visual forge]

It worked once! And another time it started directly in a bonus stage, and another time directly in the ice level

[chilly ember]

yes

[visual forge]

But mostly just goes back to title screen

[chilly ember]

that would be the level select being weird

it's sensitive

[oblique remnant]

International Track & Field 2000 has a nice Shadow Intro. otherwise crashes afterwards

[visual forge]

I don't have a level select? I only did the patch away mario face

[chilly ember]

up and down movement only, throw an A in there and it will spit the logo back at you

In the pins?

[visual forge]

Oh, I missed that part, apparently there is a leve lselect

[chilly ember]

Yes 😛

[silent marten]

When will we get Z-Buffer update??

[bronze tree]

how do you even get to that screen to press start if it's patched out. I don't see that with the patch I used.

[chilly ember]

Confusing the start screen with level select i believe

[wanton sun]

very likely not today

[chilly ember]

I already beat super mario 64 so i'm fine with the wait 😄

[wanton sun]

i haven't even created the file for the code yet 🙂

[visual forge]

This is so cool though! I've never seen N64 graphics with RGB on a CRT before, it looks a lot closer to PS1 graphics (with RGB) now

No more smudgly blurriness

[silent marten]

Wasn't expecting today, just curious as to when you was expecting to do it

[quick arch]

great

[chilly ember]

Not a race! Take the time

[visual forge]

Man, is all this slowdown in SM64 normal and I just forgot, or is it the core that's not fast enough yet?

[chilly ember]

not normal

[visual forge]

It feels kinda normal 😛 But I don't remember it being that bad

[chilly ember]

though super mario 64 can dip pretty hard even on real hardware

[silent marten]

No CPU Cache yet, it will be faster when that is added but that will also be a long time away

[visual forge]

I'm just baffled it even works with all these things being incomplete, very cool!

[silent marten]

If I remember correctly Z-Buffer, rest of the Texture Modes, CPU Cache, Saving, Other Stuff, TLB

[chilly ember]

Then making it play nice with each other

[blissful plaza]

A long-term project.

[visual forge]

It's more fun to play with it as it develops

PS1 was the same

A finished core isn't as interesting 😄

[daring meteor]

Hahaha, true

[cloud peak]

No one seem to try Sin and punishment

Disappointment is huuuge

[blissful plaza]

I've tried it, crashed after 10 seconds in-game.

[chilly ember]

Someone did yea

Nothing to be seen

[silent marten]

We really need more Texture modes so we can see anything else in the games that work that is broken

[chilly ember]

Robert was talking about eeprom so can save in super mario 64, that's most important

[silent marten]

Saving right now is not that important

[chilly ember]

Yea :p probably not

[silent marten]

Unless it comes with a texture mode for the floor

[chilly ember]

But I'm not pushing anything. Robert can choose what he wants to do

[oblique remnant]

Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside runs with limited graphics

[silent marten]

I love to see these cores in this state anyway

[spare meadow]

OMG Killer Instinct intro is alive! Can’t wait to play this game on MiSTer! Thank you Robert!!

[little bane]

I don't know why but when I think about the completed n64 core, I just think about picking up a trackball and playing this game with it

[oblique remnant]

Milo's Astro Lanes kinda works too 🙂

[visual forge]

Fifa 98 makes my monitor flicker like mad, it runs in progressive scan?!

The game appears to boot anyway

My CRT flickers that way with all progressive scan modes

Game sucks, of course, I just wanted to hear the title screen music

[oblique remnant]

the fifa world cup 98 worked for me and I could start a match. with limitations of course 🙂

[oblique remnant]

good call, actually when you press start fast enough you can go into menu. but game crashes soon enough afterwards

at least a beautiful picture of a controller is visable 🙂

[marble cargo]

Puyo Puyo~n Party now has sound, still can't play it though.

Susume! Puzzle Taisen Dama still locks, but not on the pixel vomit screen.

Oh Glover loads and has sound. No picture though so it's not playable yet.

Diddy Kong Racing loads and shows the title. Even the intro cutscene plays, though it's a glitched mess.

Bust-a-move '99 loads, but immediately freezes on some white boxes on a black screen

Bust-a-Move 2 - Arcade Edition loads. It has sound and shows some graphics, but once you get past the "no save" screen none of the graphics load.

Bomberman Hero has sound and plays the intro cutscene, but it's very buggy. Technically playable, but the lack of picture makes it impossible to play.

Mario Party has sound, but no graphics

Mario Party 2 also has some sound, but it quickly cuts off and locks. For some reason Toad's feet are rendered?

I think that's Toad anyway

[hollow rune]

Making games for this system must have been very difficult

Like all the different things that have to work all the different kinds of graphics

it is wild

[weary palm]

Writing your own microcode sounds hard, but they didn't have to do that.

[onyx minnow]

most games were written in C or C++

[zinc dew]

Pins updated but otherwise go here for the latest N64 test build - #test-builds message

[brittle onyx]

Either I'm the stupidest person in the world, or the pif.ntsc.rom file is elusive! Where can I get it if only pifdata.bin is posted everywhere?

[zinc dew]

Sorry, you can’t ask for that here.

[thorn flax]

[zinc dew]

Reminding everyone this is a great resource to help with regression testing.

It’s a script you can run that loads each N64 game for 40s before jumping to the next one. Let’s you see what boots and doesn’t very efficiently.

[worn delta]

Oh nice, does this do them in order of the folder? This could be great for testing and logging what state things are in

[fallen sparrow]

This should be pinned?

[silent marten]

I sent you a DM with some info about this question 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

Btw, I'll be Live Streaming and testing the latest core tonight.
Drop by if you're free
https://www.youtube.com/live/iUiqoJ8nk0s?si=pXr2cO6d3A1NVlmn

[dark orchid]

Is the latest N64 core posted here?

[remote hatch]

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/737506076806611064

[silent marten]

If I can make it I will drop my bro

[dark orchid]

Thanks! I will test now!

[cerulean elk]

lol you are live streaming and I will have a 4PM extra vid...big N64 Sunday

[fallen sparrow]

Nice

[cerulean elk]

editing as soon as I get this MAME vid out the door

[silent marten]

Looking forward to that video bro

[cerulean elk]

gonna try to bring it in around 15-20 min. Mega test vid. We shall see how the edit goes

[zinc dew]

Also a reminder to check pins for all the info you need.

[silent marten]

Can't wait to see what you have been testing

[cerulean elk]

all the captures are useless soon anyway at the speed Robert works

lol

[silent marten]

You are not wrong

[cerulean elk]

dear @wanton sun please delay awesome new features till tomorrow. K THX 😆

[silent marten]

I still love how he said no gameplay in August, Robotron 64 says hi xD

5 levels before crashing is gameplay xD

[lilac scroll]

I’m so curious about whether this is a standard day’s workload for him or if he’s finding himself pushing more because the progress has seemingly come so much faster than he predicted. If feels like massive jumps forward every day.

[cerulean elk]

Who knows. I work in fits and spurts then dont do anything for days. But when I am "onto something" suddenly I HAVE to work at it...chase that thread down

[silent marten]

This is just how he works, back when we was all testing the PSX core things went really really fast

[cerulean elk]

when I am editing narrative work and I get on a roll....massive output. When I am blocked...I just get up and call it a day

[silent marten]

We expect nothing at all though, but we are always happy to see new features, bug fixes etc etc

[lilac scroll]

I hope he’s having fun

[silent marten]

You know his name translates to FPGA for Fun right?

[cerulean elk]

anything fun can start to suck though when it becomes more obligation than joy

in my experience at least

[silent marten]

Ohhh for sure, but we know if Robert gets overwhelmed he will take a break

[lament escarp]

When he changes his name to FPGA zum Stress we should get worried.

[silent marten]

Hahahaha

[cerulean elk]

krombacher and currywurst times...thats what Id do at least

[lilac scroll]

Yeah like, if he wanted to disappear for months and just enjoy himself for a bit, I hope he doesn’t give a second thought to “what happens to the discord folk”

[cerulean elk]

it can get stressful sometimes. I take a vacation and I see unanswered comments on YT...start feeling like I am letting people down. Its a line youve gotta manage

[vapid hawk]

he does sometimes just say like, "ok i'm taking a week off" and stuff quite often

[lament escarp]

Yeah, he got to play totk, which I'll have to wait for my vacation for.

[cerulean elk]

I still havent finished

game can take forever if you let it

[lament escarp]

Thats what she said

[silent marten]

If he needs a break he will tell us and then take a break, I think he took like 3 - 4 weeks off working on the PSX core at one point

[cerulean elk]

usually its "you are already done"?

[vapid hawk]

once mario64 is finished (working) i bet he takes a break to finish it

think he did that with spyro before

[silent marten]

And FF8

We lost him to FF8 for quite a while

[lament escarp]

Understandably.

[silent marten]

Yeah it is a long game and he built the PSX core so he could play it 🙂

[vapid hawk]

i think its cool that he actually enjoys playing the things he makes a lot

[lament escarp]

Did he play it on the core? If so he could write it off as testing and technically still work on the core 🙂

[silent marten]

Yeah it really is, it shows he is not just making it for the community and he has said so much in the past that N64 was his favourite console at the time

[silent marten]

He did yeah

Whenever he encountered a bug in the game he fixed it and gave us a new core release xD

[vapid hawk]

everyone should check out some of his like lesser known cores, lynx and wonderswan, they're both excellent

[cerulean elk]

Wonderswan is a banger

[lament escarp]

Was there ever a core he had to capitulate on or take severe shortcuts?

[vapid hawk]

DS apparently

[silent marten]

With what he has learnt with N64 and PSX he might even go back to this one

[vapid hawk]

heh yeah it does make you wonder

but i think the DS memory bus is just way too big, its honestly kind of insane how much peak theoretical bandwidth it has

[silent marten]

Oh yeah I don't doubt it, only time will tell

[marble cargo]

DS doesn't surprise me since that system needs to render two images simultaneously.

[vapid hawk]

i don't think he spent too much time before discovering it wasn't viable

[silent marten]

He did say to me once during the PSX core development he may have thought of a way to make it fit with what he had learnt, but we also know how much he wanted N64 so obviously that took precedence

[vapid hawk]

DS has some awesome games on it

it has a unique resident evil port so. you know i'd be all over that 😄

[silent marten]

Hahaha

It has some great castlevania games as well

[vapid hawk]

it might be one of the most interesting versions of RE1

its like the PSX game, but you can skip cutscenes and doors, it has a quick turnaround button, and a quick knife button

some of the puzzles use the touchscreen

[silent marten]

That sounds really interesting

[lament escarp]

I'd love to play infinite space and radiant hystoria on a ds core.

[silent marten]

I think Robert may go back to this after N64 but let's let him finish this core first

[lament escarp]

That's only in the reareanged mode though, you can also play classic mode, which is pretty much the ps1 version.

[vapid hawk]

one impossible core at a time 😛

yeah if you don't want the new puzzles you can turn them off

[silent marten]

I wonder what the next impossible core for MiSTer would be that someone could tackle

[vapid hawk]

pentium

[silent marten]

Didn't someone release a FPU for ao486 that kinda worked recently?

[lament escarp]

I heard aydin chronicles has severe crashing issues, but not sure if thats only on software emulators or also on real hardware. I'd like to play it, even if it is worse than brian 64.

[cerulean elk]

time to edit

[vapid hawk]

don't think so, unless i missed it. pentium isn't just an FPU though the pipelining is arguably more important

[lament escarp]

Hurry before he does the next test build!

[cerulean elk]

lol either way the video is coming out

at 4

[worldly flint]

A PC 586 core fast enough to do late 90s 2D games like Rollercoaster Tycoon, Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Diablo 2, Age of Empires etc would be incredible.

[vapid hawk]

yeah like, quake1 and tomb raider aswell

software rendered

[silent marten]

And the next core will drop at 3:59 lol

[vapid hawk]

i think asking for voodoo graphics ontop would be too much 😛

[worldly flint]

We'll just have to be satisfied with StarCraft 64

[lament escarp]

You can already see the title screen with the current core

[lilac scroll]

I don’t even know what else I’d want after n64. I’m sure there are still devices or arcade games folks are keen on but Saturn, ps1, N64… far beyond my wildest dreams when I bought my first de10 a few years ago

[fallen sparrow]

I'm intending on doing a wonder swan video. I even have my cousin swan that I've borrowed for when I begin shooting

[vapid hawk]

yeah lol i bought this thing to play snes and genesis and that was basically the full extent of my expectations

everything else has been ridiculous

[worldly flint]

I wanted a MiSTer since early on and pulled the trigger when SRG first announced he was working on a Saturn core. I have been very happy with what else has come out in that time.

[silent marten]

MiSTer needs to support everything it can run and after this I guess CD-i and 3DO will be mostly the only things missing

And Virtual Boy

[worldly flint]

I'm still holding out for PalmOS and Pocket PC cores.

[lament escarp]

Is 3do missing because it's a complex core or because it sucks?

[worldly flint]

Both

[silent marten]

Hahaha

[worldly flint]

It's difficult on the order of PS1 with way fewer games to justify the work

[silent marten]

It would still be good from a preservation stand point and CD-i needs a core as there is basically no real working software emulator for it

[neat sierra]

Some things should stay buried ominous music

[silent marten]

Never

[neat sierra]

music intensifies

[hearty python]

Think the core devs must have fun for it first. So no fun - no core.

[cerulean elk]

there are just fighting words

3DO is great. We need a core

[silent marten]

@neat sierra said things should stay buried and he awoke a @orchid nimbus xD

[neat sierra]

Fun is pretty subjective, some people like having sensitive parts of their bodies stomped on so I’m sure someone exists that would make a 3DO core

It’s rule 34a

[lament escarp]

I like that as well, but I won't make that core. I'm too stupid anyway. 😄

[hearty python]

If fun isn’t enough, perhaps can a bribery helps. Send over the hardware that they get fun 😂

[drowsy lantern]

I discovered MiSTer while I was looking into buying an Analog Super NT to have a perfect SNES replica, after being disappointed by the limitations of the default built-in emulator of the SNES Classic. Since the Super NT requires actual cartridges, I was also looking at an EverDrive for it, which suddenly made it quite an expensive affair just for SNES games. And so I discovered MiSTer, which for pretty much the same total price, provided all the other retro consoles of that era that I could possibly be interested in. It was a no-brainer, and I would have been satisfied 100% even if it stopped at the SNES. So what we’ve been seeing those last two years has been nothing short of mind blowing to me.

[neat sierra]

The Venn diagram intersection of “smart enough to make a core” and “likes 3DO” is probably vanishingly small 😜

[zinc dew]

Virtual Boy will definitely happen but 3DO is very debatable. I don’t expect CD-I at all,

[cerulean elk]

if we get VB we better get PC-FX. Half the same hardware

[neat sierra]

The research doesn’t exist for CD-I right? Can’t magic that out of nothing

[lament escarp]

I found out about it after blowing up my mini snes with half my entertainment system. Only got it for nes/snes tbh. But what a doozy the other cores have been, never imagined I'd be playing mega cd or such.

[zinc dew]

Wow really? So odd!

[cerulean elk]

same CPU

[hearty python]

I wanted the Neo Geo and Amiga. That two alone was it worth

[sullen harbor]

I think it will all happen eventually.
Theres been a lot of renewed interest in the retro market for 3do since these ode's started dropping

[vagrant ivy]

3DO was the worst ever purchase I made and I had one from New. A core would be good to show everybody what a terrible thing it is

[hearty python]

Virtual boy with a 3d Glas via snac is a cool dream

[zinc dew]

I would hope so but I wouldn’t expect it. Unless an FPGA whizz programmer rises out of that extremely small minority of fans, there’s not enough interest or desire from outsiders to even consider working on it.

The problem with 3DO is that there really isn’t any compelling exclusive games and the name itself has no caché. 3DO was never an underdog or a beloved name brand. It was a one and done deal followed by a metric ton of army men games. No one really has any love for it or is nostalgic for it in the grand scheme of things.

[cerulean elk]

you are dead to me

Killing Time!

[orchid nimbus]

Hilary is here!!

[zinc dew]

I enjoy Killing Time but it’s got such limited appeal to people who didn’t play it when it was new.

[cerulean elk]

hands down my fav game of all time

[zinc dew]

this explains so much

[vagrant ivy]

You have very low standards !

[zinc dew]

I’m kidding of course lol

[cerulean elk]

I may own a few copies. OG, Black mail in disc, multiple betas, PC version, Mac version, original hand drawn art from the 3DO office walls

lol

[zinc dew]

I’m being a downer again I’m sorry

[cerulean elk]

"Robby Downer"

[zinc dew]

I’ll try to spark interest in 3DO. Because I personally would love a core too.

[vagrant ivy]

A core that will be less popular than the Game Duck !

[orchid nimbus]

cd-i

[vagrant ivy]

Anyway this is a Nintendo Channel there is already a 3DO channel

[neat sierra]

Awbacon parks his car across from the designer of killing times house and just watches

It’s okay, he’s just watching

[lament escarp]

Yeah, try to focus on brian and aydin more.

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-pixels-laugh-king-elves-gif-5000761

[hearty python]

I also love to see some vtech kids consoles like smile vmotion. They have so many games for kids between 4-6.

[weary palm]

Mah boi

[zinc dew]

Thanks for reminding me @hearty python.

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[vagrant ivy]

That means they will be too advanced for Robby ! Thats just mean

[cerulean elk]

edit came in at 22 minutes of testing. Should be fun

[silent marten]

Very nice

[cerulean elk]

VO and upload next

[vagrant ivy]

So more adverts and you tube millions for you !

[cerulean elk]

oh yeah that extra $600ish a month YT brings in. Better call Ferrari and pre-order my car

[silent marten]

I better hear some banging music about a bee with a gun xD

[cerulean elk]

you will get music. It wont involve a bee

[vagrant ivy]

I represent the IRS thank you for you tax Declaration. We will send an agent round shortly

[cerulean elk]

oh its all reported on my taxes. Has to be

how else do you think I write my MiSTer builds off?

[vagrant ivy]

I write mine off by rubbing all the pins with a 2000 V power supply

[cerulean elk]

I really have written off my MiSTer builds though. Its allowed

[vagrant ivy]

Thats what Al Capone kept saying

[cerulean elk]

basically anything purchased in the tax year that appears on the channel is an allowable write off

I pay the IRS enough as is lol

haven't seen a return in two decades

[vagrant ivy]

Very Suspicious. I will have the boys do an invasive Audit !

[mild ether]

Damn, I need to make YouTube videos with my favorite whisky sitting in the background.

[dreamy ridge]

remember how juicy returns used to seem when you were just working summer jobs?

[vagrant ivy]

I paid 0 Tax in the US for the last 50 years

[orchid nimbus]

I paid 0 Tax in the Netherlands for the last 20 years

[vagrant ivy]

I paid 0 Tax in Bulgaria

[dreamy ridge]

same!

[cerulean elk]

all I fucking do is pay tax

[orchid nimbus]

wat maakt het ook uit? Belasting betalen is voor eikels die niet weten hoe ze de wet tegen de belastingdienst kunnen gebruiken

[cerulean elk]

Fed, State, city...taxes on this, taxes on that...someone is always reaching in my wallet to get something off my ass

[orchid nimbus]

oh a new build 🙂

[dreamy ridge]

yeah income tax as recently as like 1910 when it was first implemented was like %3

and then death by papercuts over the next century+

[orchid nimbus]

add 4 player controls << and this is the first adjustment I have to do to the page as my page directly contradicts what this does 😄

[inner isle]

@fallen sparrow

Hey loving yiur commitment to the Mister project, always look forward to your videos. It would be great to showcase different video filters for arcade and consoles and wondered if a compilation of best settings might be worth covering with recommendations from the developers. Just an idea not a demand. I often see alot of questions about this and some people showcasing screenshots of what they use.

Keep up the fantastic work.

[wanton sun]

will not make it today. But did you notice that bomberman hero goes ingame? you cannot see anything but you can hear him jump and throw bombs 🙂

[cerulean elk]

oh hes in the video dont worry lol

Any time I get a chance to hype Bomberman Hero I will

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks, much appreciated. Definitely a possibility for a video in the future.

[cerulean elk]

I want a full english breakfast tutorial vid

[fallen sparrow]

I'd have to ask my wife. She spoils me

[cerulean elk]

Pixel Cherry Misses

and uploading. Vid at 4 CST then you got @fallen sparrow live at 4:30. Gonna be a real N64 sunday evening

or morning. Or midnight...wherever TF you are lol

[fallen sparrow]

Lol, a packed N64 day/night

[lament escarp]

Thats chicago standard time, right?

[cerulean elk]

Central Standard but yeah...I am in Chicago proper lol so I like the way you think

[bronze tree]

Paper Mario boots pretty nicely, but then at some point after pressing A and start a couple of times the audio becomes very glitchy, sounds a bit like before when the core was not in reset during the loading of a rom.

[dreamy ridge]

oh baby, i always forget about that game on n64. first playthrough will be on mister, can't wait!

[bronze tree]

not many graphics on the screen at this point 🙂

[lament escarp]

Good to know, in case my ears stop bleeding from last time. 🤡

[dreamy ridge]

as i was dropping test roms going down the full roms list i was getting bursts of joy over games i'm going to get to replay and also games i never could afford back when n64 was a modern console. so excited about this core

[silent marten]

I beat a whole cup on Mario Kart 🙂

[bronze tree]

ah, I see a nice register dump screen. @orchid nimbus was that also Paper Mario when you got that?

[silent marten]

And I won 1st place 🙂

[cerulean elk]

I love the end of race screen getting highlights of black boxes doing their thing

[silent marten]

Lol yup

[cerulean elk]

the old black box shimmy

[silent marten]

I can't wait for more texture modes

[bronze tree]

wave race is so funny to watch, it seems like the players spend most of their time under water 🙂

[lament escarp]

It's not a question of games becoming playable, just of becoming visible

[cerulean elk]

Turok is a great example to show; you can tell its Turok...but its just pure silhouette mode

[silent marten]

yeah it is gonna be great when we can see what we are doing lol

[daring meteor]

Whenever CI8 is implemented, ha

[lament escarp]

I think z buffer will also do a lot for sm64

[daring meteor]

SM64 is visable; Just the incorrect parts

[bronze tree]

yes, for sure

[quick arch]

This video will help to see what could be fixed when Z-Buffer will be added
https://youtu.be/7mOWO-tZhxY?feature=shared

[cold pollen]

this core is going to support Complete in Box?

[daring meteor]

CI8

[cold pollen]

this core is going to support Complete in 8ox?

[daring meteor]

Hopefully

[cold pollen]

🤞

[bronze tree]

that looks so similar 🙂

[quick arch]

yeah 🙂

[silent marten]

gonna be interesting to see what is missing when Z-Buffer is implemented

[languid dune]

I see you woke up this morning and chose violence.

[mild ether]

Wow z buffer adds a lot more than I imagined.

[daring meteor]

Probably CI8

[mild ether]

Didn't realize the reason the water looking the proper proportion was just z buffer working for example.

[orchid nimbus]

Can’t remember I think it was - it was a 1st party Nintendo game

[orchid nimbus]

This looks like the current core almost

[quick arch]

^^ This is why I share this video. I was impressed

[reef trench]

While I can see why Nintendo chose to use their characters instead, Black Box Kart 64 can still get pretty intense

[mild ether]

Looks like it will be very playable with z buffer in place.

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/Super Mario 64 - Patches.zip

@mild ether the IPS files are there

I'll put a section on the FAQ

[mild ether]

Thank you. I was just taking a look at the level select right now. I will see if can add the level select to the rest of the roms today sometime.

[sullen harbor]

I should really bookmark your Saturn and N64 sites

[orchid nimbus]

I'll put some links on the front page

my main domain is only used for the FAQs

😄 what a waste of hosting

[mild ether]

The patch for the original USA SM64 is not in the pack and I am not sure who did the original work so might want to credit them if you put it in. I just found what needed patching from their work and applied it to the rest of the SM64 roms.

I will do the same for the level select.

[sullen harbor]

big mood. I had a portfolio website that hadn't been used for six years (as I am employed.) Got rid of it to save money after my dad died

[orchid nimbus]

who made the original?

[orchid nimbus]

😦 sorry to hear

@bronze tree why can you load N64 and n64 extentions? what's the difference?

[mild ether]

I have no idea. I just grabbed it when I saw it uploaded here.

[sullen harbor]

If I get a raise in the next 2 years. I'll probably pay for it again

[orchid nimbus]

I'll google it and will add it

@sullen harbor I have my own virtual private server for $4 a month

[sullen harbor]

I was using squarespace

[orchid nimbus]

cheaper than any of these so called 'hosters' 😄

[mild ether]

Gives more version of SM64 to test if one of them locks up in a particular place.

[sullen harbor]

I'm a storyboard artist so I needed an easy template to show my work via gallery. And unfortunately I have no clue how to make a website

The problem is the last 6 years I've been working on a major Cartoon and everything I do is under NDA lol. So I couldn't update the bloody site lol

[cerulean elk]

I usually just put stuff up behind a password for perspective clients when I have NDA / not shareable work

[orchid nimbus]

@sullen harbor there are a few others on this discord that work in the 'cartoon industry' 🙂

[wanton sun]

it was made by sunlitspace542, contact to them was kandowontu

[cerulean elk]

If I didn’t show people the work I’ve done that was technically not allowable I’d have to work to show

[sullen harbor]

I work on Paw Patrol

[cerulean elk]

Or I private host on Vimeo with passwords for work that I can’t distribute / upload

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun the core lists N64 and n64 as accepted extentions

isn't that redundant?

[sullen harbor]

I mean I can add the episodes I've written But I also have a long ass Imdb page I can use currently as my CV

[weary palm]

You can include my patch too if you want, vampier. The one with the level select. It's for the US ROM.

[orchid nimbus]

@weary palm I just downloadedit

[mild ether]

Yes, give sunlitpace542 his credit for original work and the USA sm64 patch.

[wanton sun]

i'm not sure how mister handles case sensitivity for it, but there really exists two formats.: N64 is big endian, n64 is little endian. very nice use for the case there 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

you made the patch?

[weary palm]

Yes

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun

The following formats are supported:
n64 - Little Endian
z64 - Big Endian
v64 - Byte Swapped

[weary palm]

With the help of the decomp project

[orchid nimbus]

Ok I'll add it to the list

@weary palm great I'll add it too 😉

[manic basin]

The good times...they're over.

[cold pollen]

Is there an explanation of these terms

[wanton sun]

endianess?

[orchid nimbus]

@cold pollen I'm not a teacher 😛 I document

[cerulean elk]

I made a joke about this for todays video

[manic basin]

Nice.

[orchid nimbus]

Litle and big Indians

[cerulean elk]

“And Superman 64 works but barely shows graphics. Which means it’s better than playing it for real”

[sullen harbor]

I consider this an improvement over the original

[wanton sun]

wikipedia even has a overview, funny that this page exists and is not deleted as "not relevant" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_64_ROM_file_formats

[manic basin]

It actually gets into gameplay now. I got like ... 10 rings. Which might be a record for me, even with textures.

[cerulean elk]

I showed it as still a bit broken for the joke. I tried it this morning with the slightly newer core but I went for the low hanging joke fruit

[manic basin]

Good choice.

What's weird is Clark Kent doesn't show graphcis in the same way...hmmmmm.....

[cerulean elk]

It’s at like minute 21 so it’s just a joke for the die hards

[weary palm]

Is the endianness autodetected or is it strictly by file extension?

[sullen harbor]

Yeah I would expect something like that to be on something like Emu Gametech wiki

[cold pollen]

so you're a documenter

I mean definitions can be documentation

[orchid nimbus]

irrelevant for most people

as long as it work

[cold pollen]

I only ask because I still have no clue what those terms mean and everyone throws them around constantly

[orchid nimbus]

I want to keep it short and simple and easy to read

[wanton sun]

markun made a autodetect, so you can stuff little endian and name it .z64

[cold pollen]

and it's lazier for me to wait for someone to explain than for me to google

[cold pollen]

yes

[cold pollen]

oh, so what you're saying is that you want it little endian

[weary palm]

@wanton sun that's awesome.

[wanton sun]

it's the order of bytes, so you can have a word of 4 bytes as 0x12345678 or 0x78563412, both are the same if you swap the endianess

[vagrant ivy]

https://googlethatforyou.com?q=endianness

[wanton sun]

this is all due to the choise of n64 being big endian, which is just horrible for all sane people

[cerulean elk]

Konami did that too. Some M2 arcade games on the fly swap endianness due to a few games clearly being moved from one architecture to the M2

[cold pollen]

Thank you lol

[mild ether]

Yes, big endian will drive you nuts when you are tired making changes in hex for hours. I always second guess myself if I did it correctly.

[orchid nimbus]

implement? apply

derp

[zinc dew]

I know I’m being ignorant but I could never understand the need or desire to have multiple rom types for a single platform. We should just choose “the one” and make an effort to phase out all lesser format differences.

[cold pollen]

insert Star Fox General Pepper "Good Luck!" sound effect here

[orchid nimbus]

yeah and I want peace in the middle east too

[zinc dew]

Big endian is awful? Great, ditch that and if people complain then tough luck.

again I know I’m ignorant here

[vagrant ivy]

N64's native big-endian byte-order

[manic basin]

Sir Mixalot is disappointed.

[wanton sun]

big endian is the truth for n64, so if it all, z64/N64 should be the only ones

[zinc dew]

Oh ok

Im only speaking from an end-user who doesn’t know and doesn’t want to know the differences. game is game

[wanton sun]

but it's not that bad. rotating the bytes in software is like 10 lines of code

[frank stag]

let's just drop endian and go for Indian

[zinc dew]

GAME IS GAME

[floral snow]

Womp womp

[zinc dew]

oh god I’m being educated

it hurts

[mild ether]

It's not awful it just isn't natural to read things that way so it can trip you up sometimes.

[zinc dew]

well thank you for listening to my rant, even if it was pointless lol

[vagrant ivy]

And Anti Nintendo !

in a Nintendo Chanel

[zinc dew]

old_man_yells_at_cloud.png

[zinc dew]

Was it really?

[vagrant ivy]

Well you declared Nintendo's Chosen format was wrong

and the Big N never makes Mistakes

[cold pollen]

in Soviet Russia, uh.... Game is also Game?

[cerulean elk]

@manic basin there’s that DK patch

[zinc dew]

that’s why I said I’m ignorant, isn’t that like a freebie pass

[vagrant ivy]

Must resist ......

[cerulean elk]

You’d have better luck trying to get a herd of puppies to solve a crossword puzzle than you’d get for gaming enthusiasts to agree on anything 🤣

[zinc dew]

@vagrant ivy you know I’m setting you up now for easy slam dunks right? snarky Tim is best Tim

[vagrant ivy]

The Multi Formats are basically a result of Dumpers being made to be incompatible with each other

[zinc dew]

ah, purposefully incompatible? Yeah that’s obvious, I should’ve thought of that.

[vagrant ivy]

so you couldnt move from One Flash Card maked to another

[devout leaf]

Nintendo's biggest issue is a weakness to household items. Paperclips and tweezers are to much to handle.

Team Twiizers hacking the Wii with a pair of tweezers is always going to be legendary.

[cerulean elk]

Meh Sega and Sony were even funnier. Just fast hands and a piece of tape

[velvet nexus]

and the switch was hacked in a similar manner

[zenith orchid]

in this case, wouldn't it be big n-dian vs little n-dian? 🤣

[devout leaf]

Those are also great lol. The small oversights that turn into absolute nonsense for companies are something to see.

[cerulean elk]

Mil-CD was the best. Feature that barely ever got used opened Dreamcast up 100%

[devout leaf]

Oh the poor Dreamcast. After years of Sega fighting Sega they release a solid console that was ahead of it's time....and hacked within days.

[zinc dew]

would pliers being used to cut tabs on SNES / N64 count? Or using a screwdriver on an original NES cart to remove the Famicom adapter?

Seems like household items bypassing Nintendo security has been a thing since the beginning lol

[devout leaf]

Yeah I'd count those. I remember my friend back in the early 90s showing me Atlantis No Nazo with the convertor inside Gyromite.

[cerulean elk]

I dunno if physical lockouts even count

My fav is the impressions in FDS games though

Did the DD have any protection? That’s one I don’t know about

[devout leaf]

Not that I know of honestly.

[bronze tree]

Don't know if it makes sense to state that, but big-endian in the preferred format (and the default when the detection failes) and requires no extra conversion overhead when the rom is loaded.

[weary palm]

Security by obscurity

[orchid nimbus]

windowsCE lol

[mild ether]

I am so dyslexic I confuse my endianess. 😂

[orchid nimbus]

3 little endians sitting in a three

😛

[cerulean elk]

Everyone talks about big endian and little endian. Nobody ever remembers “giant endian” 😂

[deft tree]

Goldilocks and the three endians

[vagrant ivy]

or Red Endian

[orchid nimbus]

overcompensating endian

[vagrant ivy]

Endian Restaurant

[orchid nimbus]

endian helldesk

[lament escarp]

Where do the baby endians come from? 😳

[orchid nimbus]

endian toilets

ahum... too soon?

[desert crow]

endianness