Nintendo 64

[quaint rune]

Life is good

[twin barn]

there should be only 3 bios regions i thought; brazil, japan/us, and europe

[worn delta]

Yeah, that is them. Although there is this Aleck64 one to throw into the mix now

[twin barn]

we just ignore that one existed 😏

[worn delta]

Although, I think the Aleck64 files we have are converted anyway, right? They aren't raw dumps?

[twin barn]

the alex64 is just an arcade system right? was it identical to the n64 hardware?

[worn delta]

Pretty much

[marble cargo]

It's literally the same hardware. The Aleck64 games can even play on a Nintendo 64 with hacks.

[twin barn]

what do the hacks do, just account for remapping inputs to something that isn't JAMMA or something like that?

[worn delta]

The "hacks" part is the devil in the details there

[twin barn]

well we better hope that this stunning library of games is prioritized above all else, i can't wait to play vivid dolls

[worn delta]

One of them seems to be booting a bit already, I think they are hacked with an NTSC N64 as the target so should just work fine

Are there pure dumps of them? Is that a thing?

[fiery owl]

I shall play mace the dark age and war gods to remember how far fighting games have come

[thick terrace]

I was racing (?) in Beetle Adventure racing! Of course the screen was completely black, but it made engine revving noises when I held a button down! It said "welcome to adventure racing" and I made several "good choice"s in a row on button presses, and it welcomed me to whatever track I was supposedly on and then beep boop beep started a "race." I could see it all in my imagination.

[wanton sun]

was early up today, because i wanted to test something before work 😅

for those who are interested in such things: it shows over time how long the rendering process takes and how much rsp and rdp are busy within that time

the small peaks in the line fifoout_wr are the actual writes of pixels to the framebuffer

so it's clear that the rsp is WAY too slow currently

having the decode stalling from the last patreon article implemented would bring the rsp time down to 25-33% of what it currently takes

[slate sundial]

I have the IQ of an old sponge, how do I build the build on GitHub? where's the big red fisherprice button that I hit with my meat paw?

[wanton sun]

?

download quartus 17.0/17.1, download the repo, press button, wait....wait....wait, copy rbf

[worn delta]

#1096015979055697940 message

[slate sundial]

muchas thankas

[worn delta]

Thanks for the update, what you thinking is the next task? To optimise the rsp?

[wanton sun]

yes, i should really implement the correct behavior, at least for the vector unit stalling. Probably not running scalar/vector unit in parallel, that is more complicated and yields much less performance

[modern sleet]

Translation, RSP needs to be this

🙂

[wanton sun]

yes, currently it runs the vector unit with 125 MIPS instead of 500

but as a game runs now (more or less) it can be much easier implemented, so all is good 🙂

[slate sundial]

The RTL engineering YouTube chap said that the PS1, N64, and PS2 CPUs are all "similar"

if that's true, what would be the MIPS on the PS2 CPU?

[wanton sun]

MIPS is actually a confusing word. It's both "million instructions per second" and "microarchitecture without interlocking pipeline stages" or so. The first measures how fast a CPU runs, the second describes a CPU architecture

and yes, ps1, ps2 and n64 all use CPUs with MIPS architecture

[slate sundial]

Thanks Robert, I knew I'd missed something

I wonder where it lines up (per above image) in the ranking?

PS1 - 33
N64 - 93
PS2 - 500 ?

[wanton sun]

there is one generation step between each of them, so you cannot run things natively

PS2 in this case would be 294, but i'm not sure if it can already execute multiple instructions per cycle

also it got vector units built in, just like the RSP (which is just a MIPS cpu + vector unit)

it gets harder to measure in instructions per second with later architectures. Old systems with just a plain CPU for calculation are so much easier to judge 🙂

[slate sundial]

got to wonder how powerful they are. I know konami said they levered the heck out of the VUs for Metal Gear Solid 2

[slate sundial]

oooff

[wanton sun]

wikipedia says the ps2 can do 6.2 billion floating point operations per second. Not sure if the number is correct, but anything in that range would be insane

[slate sundial]

mega bandwidth!

[wanton sun]

that's easily 10 times faster than n64, but then n64 doesn't need much floating point as the graphics were not that accurate, it could still calculate with less precise numbers

[slate sundial]

For domestic users (affordability) seems a hybrid FPGA / CPU system may be the most viable?

[wanton sun]

i'm not a big fan of hybrid systems, due to the high latency between CPU and FPGA, even in current high-end FPGA that have e.g. a ARM cpu integrated. It's much slower than any native bus in the original systems, so having cycle accuracy is more or less impossible and it generates a lot of problems

maybe for very slow coupled components, but then it's mostly useless i guess

or systems that don't require exact cycles, e.g. emulating a PC where the FPGA might do the graphics card?

[slate sundial]

Yea it doesn't sound efficient at all, and efforts made in this direction might be later squandered when/if FPGAs become cheaper

[wanton sun]

you also need developers who are good at even more topics. I'm not sure how many people exist that are familiar with all the tasks required for a hybrid approach AND want to spend several years for complex systems that would require it

[slate sundial]

Talk about a barrier to entry!

btw, thanks for patience when I moved the chat somewhat off topic folks, and thank you Robert for the info shared.

[slate sundial]

ok, so we have to spam start to get into Mario Kart.

Can't believe my eyes seeing this WIP on MiSTer

[quaint rune]

The spacecraft that launched years ago to check out Pluto, the new horizons probe. That had on board the same mips cpu used in the PlayStation 1. Pretty cool huh

[languid dune]

Even if I don't understand all of it, I still find these technical updates fascinating. 🤯

[trim seal]

Clay Fighter 63 1/3 goes almost to in-game now. Music is nice. Graphics are, of course, mostly absent but it's fun to look at.

Also Dr. Mario goes in game - no playfield but you can see and control the capsules, putting them down makes them disappear though. Kinda like an expert mode :p

[zenith orchid]

interesting how priorities shift around. RSP would for sure need to be optimized at some point anyway, but seeing how fixing some graphical issues lead to games becoming less stable due to slow downs, suddenly the texture modes aren't quite as important as the RSP optimization now

25-33% increase in RSP speed would be phenomenal

[hearty oar]

Way I see it it’s all got to come together at some point

So it’s not too important what happens first

[lament escarp]

I think it's called "integration hell", when all the part's are there but getting them to work together is the problem. 😄

[pale nest]

Can someone please tell me what directory to find a current test build of N64.rbf I tried "unstable-nightlies is this the wrong directory? I counldn't find the rbf. Maybe I just missed it. The only one I've found was on the creators Patreon.

[chrome quest]

Latest build I've seen on Discord;
#1096015979055697940 message

Also can be useful to check here;
https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/737506076806611064

[oblique remnant]

Custom Robo (J) does boot into a broken menu and has Sound 🙂 It's one of those games I want to play. It even got a translation now

[trim seal]

Just played a race in Mario Kart with the NSO N64 controller and even in this state, something magical happened in my brain. I was transported back to a simpler time. Robert, you old dopamine-peddler you.

[fallen sparrow]

Was the NSO controller via Bluetooth?
If so how is the input latency?

@trim seal

[trim seal]

Yeah, via bluetooth and honestly I didn't even think about it. I'm sure there was a little lag there but because I was already expecting a less than perfect experience I probably just ignored it. More the point I suppose, there wasn't enough that it took me out of the experience. I'll cast a more critical eye over it once my daughter is in bed.

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks.

I'd love to get an RF N64 controller. I'm hoping 8bitDo make one in the future

[hearty oar]

It would have be a real outlier amongst the other switch controllers to have low latency, they have been measured at approx 15ms Bluetooth which somehow gets worse wired

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks, it's crazy to think some controllers perform worse wired then over Bluetooth

[hearty oar]

I mean, maybe Nintendo fixed it for this one, but I wouldn’t bank on it

[fallen sparrow]

15ms is one frame (just under), I'd love to try one, as I don't feel latency as bad on 3D games as I do on 2D.

I play modern PC games via an 8bitdo controller (pictured), and honestly I don't feel any lag. If I was to connect it to the MiSTer and then loaded a 2D game, I'd feel it straight away lol

This actually a great controller, USB C charging, the battery is removable by user, no tools needed. If the rechargeable battery dies a few years from now, you can use AA's

[hearty oar]

Yeah, makes sense, I’m perfectly happy playing Switch games on the system itself, but yeah wasn’t particularly impressed with the NSO SNES controller when I tried it on MiSTer

[elfin relic]

that's why I only use the optimal gaming device, the BUFFALO CLASSIC USB GAMEPAD

it may be mushy, but it's very very low latency

(too bad they don't make 'em anymore)

[oblique remnant]

does it also work on the PSX Core as Dual Shock Controller?

[fallen sparrow]

I find the 8bitdo 2.4ghz to do a good job

[fallen sparrow]

I haven't tried, I only use it on PC

[elfin relic]

if it's got them rumbles, it should work.

[fallen sparrow]

If I get a chance later, I'll try it

[elfin relic]

it should still work anyway as a "dualshock" you just don't get the shock part

[oblique remnant]

I don't care about the shock part in general. even on N64 the Rumble Pack support could be the last thing that needs to work 😄

[worldly quartz]

Does 8bitdo email when the n64 kit ships?

It was supposed to ship on 8/10

[fallen sparrow]

I've never really been a fan of controller vibrations in general.
That's with the exception of Psycho Mantis of course

[whole zinc]

8bitdo are releasing a Bluetooth board for n64 controllers, don’t know if it will be any better than the NSO one for latency https://shop.8bitdo.com/products/8bitdo-mod-kit-for-original-n64-controller

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks

Thanks for trying it so quickly

[trim seal]

There is a very tiny amount of lag but honestly it's extremely low, almost imperceptible. I don't feel like I'm having to compensate for it or anything.

[trim seal]

No problem.

[fallen sparrow]

I'm still sitting in my front room cussing DLC

[trim seal]

You know what it's like, once you get a burr in your brain....

Ahhh

[zenith orchid]

Ah, I should start thinking about what kind of usb adapter to get for my original N64 controllers

[native mesa]

Some people here have it already

[chrome quest]

Raphnet v3 probably safest. 2 players in one adapter, and supports the various paks on pc emulation so more hope than others to one day work on the core, at least rumble maybe. Transfer Pak and all that probably very complicated without SNAC

[zenith orchid]

There might not be room for it, but my hope would be that you could load the save files from the OSD to a virtual transfer pak

perhaps it could be part of the memory card management feature, and it could be among the options for controller attachments

I never owned or needed a transfer pak, but it seems to be essential for a couple games

[mild ether]

I use a bliss box and it works well for me.

[zenith orchid]

hmm, doesn't that leave you with a mess of hdmi adapters?

[mild ether]

Mine are organized but yes it's a bunch of adapters.

[zenith orchid]

Bliss Box is tempting, though raphnet is a quick and cheap solution

if I go the blissbox route, I would need to buy two adapters

two more for party games.

[zinc dew]

This is also a great option to consider - https://misteraddons.com/products/reflex-adapt

Full Disclosure: I am biased as Porkchop is a friend and I’ve been testing it early before release.

But I wouldn’t recommend it if I didn’t love it.

[elfin relic]

it's not a dualsense or a buffalo classic gaming pad

so like, I dunno

will I be able to cancel chain with starfox or whatever in smashbros64 with this with negative frame latency

[novel junco]

Not as low latency, but looking at the lag megalist, the Retroflag USB controllers that come with their RPi SNES and Genesis cases are shockingly low latency

I think as low as 1.5-something?

Double the latency of the Buffalo, but dirt cheap off Aliexpress and Amazon

[elfin relic]

although I do have and use that pad, I was being tongue-in-cheek when I said that

it's not available anymore and latency numbers that low don't really have much gain over something that feels better

the buffalo pad feels almost like they stuffed it with mashed potatos

[zinc dew]

I mean, that sounds like a positive to me 🤤

[twin barn]

yeah, the bandwidth required would probably need one of those multi thousand-dollar PCIe FPGA dev boards to run it

[elfin relic]

mash potatos are good with bacon, not buttons

[zinc dew]

ok dad!

[plush summit]

iBuffalo gang checking in

You get what you pay for, 20 bucks and a Lil mush

[marble cargo]

A small price to pay to play The Bouncer on an FPGA core.

[zenith orchid]

it seems comparable to blissbox in features and price, only blissbox is actually available.

[zinc dew]

I think the ReflexAdapter is about to go on sale

[zenith orchid]

Hmm, I haven't checked the prices of the hdmi controller adapters though

I suppose for now I could just use the DS3. left stick as analog stick, right stick as c-stick, Z as L2

if I could set the right analog stick directions as c buttons

[mild ether]

I haven't looked at all the current options available but I have owned my bliss box for years and it still works great and I got controllers for pretty much every console that works with it.

[zenith orchid]

yeah they discontinued the octopus/spider one. which is kind of a shame because N64 is truly a party system and it's nice to have 4 controllers hooked up to it

[mild ether]

That's a shame, I have that one.

[zenith orchid]

yeah, I should have gotten one while they were still around

its I think like, $70 for two adapters, $140 for 4.. is that similar to how much the OG costed?

and yeah thats not counting the hdmi adapters

[mild ether]

It's been so long I don't remember but it wasn't cheap.

[calm knoll]

Kuwest64

[remote hatch]

yeah, love that game

[carmine kettle]

This work no rumble using usb cable

[zenith orchid]

Brian's Journey should have been called Quest8

[vapid hawk]

reflex will probably be pretty good for this too

[cerulean elk]

You rang?

[candid pagoda]

anybody could share the N 64 core and boot.rom

[vapid hawk]

the n64 core is in here if you scroll up but no-one can share copyright roms on here, please dont ask for them

[kind nimbus]

where does boot.rom actually go

fat/BIOS or in rom folder?

[worn delta]

No, in the games/N64 folder

[kind nimbus]

and it should be called boot.rom ?

[worn delta]

yeah

[kind nimbus]

must be doing something wrong. I can see the rom loading bar for 1080 Snowboarding but then nothing happens at all

or maybe that's just the state of 1080...

[worn delta]

Nothing much works right now

[kind nimbus]

roger, wasn't sure how far the general catalog would get into boot

[worn delta]

If you load up Mario Kart and spam start on the splash screen you can get into play, and race, but you are a black box and a lot of graphics are missing.

[kind nimbus]

My SM64 does this

[worn delta]

This is very-very-very early days and is amazing anyting is appearing on screen TBH

[kind nimbus]

I agree

k, Nintendo spinny logo on MK64

[worn delta]

Are you using the htgdb everdrive pack?

[kind nimbus]

I'm satisfied, haha

[worn delta]

That is the best one to use

[kind nimbus]

I don't know to be honest

It's very organized, so maybe

Has the 1 through 5 folder structure

With collections and hacks

[zealous hull]

Also, there was a SM64 rom that has been posted here that removed the mario-head intro screen. That is probably want you'll want to use if you want to get farther and actually play.

[kind nimbus]

I didn't think ab this, is the current test version 2 ram or 1?

[zealous hull]

Single

[kind nimbus]

Roger

[twin barn]

check the pins for the IPS patch you need to apply

kandowontu made a patch so you can run it by skipping the face intro

[cerulean elk]

@zinc dew can we pin the patcher too? I keep linking people to it

https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php

Web browser patcher that does what you need

[wanton sun]

ok, first shot of implementing vector unit stalling optimization went...not good

this happens when doing a lot of code changes in the blind, thinking it should work. Have to debug tomorrow

once this gets back to 100, could be that games also work again with it or i have to debug more, lets see

when all goes well, MK64 rendering of RSP should be about 2-3x speed

[plush summit]

Nice success rate 👌

[zinc dew]

With the current early state of the core I’d rather keep pins focused on core-specific stuff. If someone doesn’t know how to patch a game they can wait until the core is more stable.

[cerulean elk]

I demand a pin. I suggest this

[worn delta]

That's still not a bad success rate, sure you will get it licked tomorrow 🙂

[cerulean elk]

https://www.horoscope.com/us/horoscopes/general/index-horoscope-general-daily.aspx

[zenith orchid]

Just wanted to say it might be a long time before Robert starts working on tlb, and most likely the game will be fully playable well before that time. if the question comes up frequently, would you reconsider?

[cerulean elk]

Or just everyone remember that link lol

[zinc dew]

Or maybe I’m just out of the loop and I’m wrong lol.

@cerulean elk / @zenith orchid Can one of you link to it and write what it’s for? Thank you.

[vagrant ivy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_64

Play the greatest game on the N64

There you go Robby

[zinc dew]

I unpinned my game suggestion list, I don’t like having my comments pinned regardless. Feels self serving.

[cerulean elk]

I sent you a DM with info @zinc dew

[vagrant ivy]

cant pin a DM

[zinc dew]

I’m sorry I meant so I could pin it

[vagrant ivy]

You ahve to do it in Channel

[odd vector]

Whats up with this specific game?

[vagrant ivy]

Here is a jpg !

[cerulean elk]

https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php

[orchid nimbus]

@odd vector https://www.vampier.net/N64/

read up about it

[cerulean elk]

“Web based ROM patcher for Nintendo 64 Roms. Accepts the following patch formats : APS • BPS • IPS • MOD (Star Rod) • PPF • UPS • VCDiff (xdelta)”

[odd vector]

An insider, aye. Dankeschön @orchid nimbus

[cerulean elk]

Some flavor text too @zinc dew

[vagrant ivy]

Close buit no Cigar. The Flavour text and the link needs to be one message so it can be pinned

[cerulean elk]

Thought it was lol. Hold on

https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php

“Web based ROM patcher for Nintendo 64 Roms. Accepts the following patch formats : APS • BPS • IPS • MOD (Star Rod) • PPF • UPS • VCDiff (xdelta)”

[orchid nimbus]

nick color adjusted on website

needed to be done 😄

[vagrant ivy]

Robby lost multiple fingers on his Quest

I think he is a Japanese Gangster

[zinc dew]

I hope I don’t come across as not wanting to write it myself. I’d much rather see someone else’s name be up there. Like if someone reads the pins they know who to thank for the great info. It’s silly but I like seeing the community be celebrated instead of some doofus with an orange name.

[vagrant ivy]

But AWBacon forgot Please Like and Subscribe it really helps the channel.

or

The Music is great lets listen for 45 secs while I sleep

[cerulean elk]

All you come across as is “Robby” lol

[languid dune]

Dr. Mario The Grand Master Terror-Instinct

[cerulean elk]

And I don’t even know what that means

[orchid nimbus]

Dr. Robby The Grand Robby, Robby - Instinct

[vagrant ivy]

GoldenRobby

[orchid nimbus]

Robby64

[vagrant ivy]

Super Robby 64

[orchid nimbus]

CastleRobby 64

RobbyVania 64

I think I like Robbyvania better

[vagrant ivy]

All Star Robby '99

[orchid nimbus]

Robby's bad fur day

[vagrant ivy]

Earthworm Robby 3D

[orchid nimbus]

Robby has left he building 😦

[native mesa]

What's a Robby

[languid dune]

Oh god. It's Robby-ception.

[vagrant ivy]

its a Robby Armageddon

[orchid nimbus]

Robbygeddon

[languid dune]

Ahem...anyway...how about that N64!

[native mesa]

I love seeing how N64 can look without dithering blur and aa

Like the gods intended

[orchid nimbus]

there is no god before god

I am looking forward to play WCW Backstage Assault

[compact depot]

Put it inside a gif and it shall get pinned

[languid dune]

Robby pinning GIFs would be the equivalent of him starting a Robellion.

[zenith orchid]

@zinc dew awesome! thanks for doing that. so when someone posts a screenshot of their crashed sm64, its as easy as: "check pins for the no face patch, there's also a link to a web based patcher in the pins"

[vagrant ivy]

followed by whats a pin ? and then someone linking it anyway !

[zenith orchid]

maybe we should also pin this video: https://youtu.be/3A5v37b7ZTc

this next update regarding RSP should be huge, it might take a while, but its a good thing it's being done so early in the core's development.

[cerulean elk]

What a weird game

Started life on the 3DO M2

It was ClayFighter III on M2 then Extreme on PS1

The Lost 3DO M2 ClayFighter III and the Nintendo 64 ClayFighter 63 1/3 Connection!
https://youtu.be/6a91HoWSywU

A fun little history of it

Sadly nothing remains. I’ve talked with devs, no files out there I can find

[orchid nimbus]

Awbacon did you ever see clayfighter for the 32x?

[cerulean elk]

No. Was there supposed to be a version for it?

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=379154

[cerulean elk]

Truth be told I do NOT like ClayFighter. My interest in it starts and ends at the M2 version

[orchid nimbus]

read the 1st line in that post 😛

[cerulean elk]

Oh I do remember that actually.

Twas you

Go find a good version would ya! The M2 one 😂

[orchid nimbus]

I told porchy to keep it

no good to me

he soon after quit the dumping scene - people started just selling his dumps.... that's not why we do this stuff

[cerulean elk]

Cause it’s for us, not everyone else

[orchid nimbus]

we don't do this for the money

[cerulean elk]

The Teknoparrot took the Castlevania dump we got modded and playable for free, did it a diff way then put it behind their patreon pay wall. What can you do 🤷🏻‍♂️

[cerulean elk]

Lol I lose so much money on the stuff I do

[orchid nimbus]

openMSX has cost me close to $12K in 20 years

and that's not including the time I spend on the project

I don't care to be honest

but it pisses me off when some a-hole is putting it up on ebay

[cerulean elk]

Yeah. It’s never fun to see someone take your work and make money off your generosity

Hence why I strike every channel that steals my content without asking lol

[brisk drum]

This is why I never make shit for anyone ..

My Dreamcast core will remain unreleased

[native mesa]

I'll share my Dreamcast core. It's fine

[vagrant ivy]

My M2 Core is only available when AWBacon publically shreds all his M2 HW !

[atomic stratus]

pretty stoked to get one of these at some point

[plush summit]

not sure if its just me, but SM64 on the core feels more responsive than me messing around with Mupen

[cerulean elk]

Lol we have chips for scanning now. Never say never to a core

PPC 602s are well known and CE32 there are spares as well. Board itself went in for schematic work up too

[zenith orchid]

yeah I'm starting to feel like this core will beat every N64 emulator out there in terms of responsiveness, there'll just be no comparison

[plush summit]

The PSX core is second to none, its insane

[languid ore]

It's better, for the most part, than a real PSX. Really cool stuff!

[zenith orchid]

I do wonder sometimes how it must compare to an hdmi modded PSX with an ODE. assuming you don't mess with the enhancement features on the core. I bet they would feel almost exactly identical, though with the core maybe just a hint faster

[topaz otter]

Lets put it this way, zilmar has been working on project64 for 25 years

Robert has made more progress in three months

Than these guys did in decades

[zenith orchid]

please don't take this the wrong way, some people make these kinds of comparisons as a joke, and so I'm not sure if you're joking or you're serious. but it sounds to me like zilmar went in blind, and had he not done that, Robert's work would be 100x more

Robert on several occasions referenced the project64 repo in regards to how certain games run

[plush summit]

to be fair, PJ64 and other Emus have a lot going against them

LLE just isn't viable

[topaz otter]

I think the groundwork was laid with ultrahle, zilmar had a working emulator by 1998

[plush summit]

Yeah, we should really appreciate the work back then, it opened up so much

[zenith orchid]

Agreed

Robert upgraded to a really beefy CPU, and the low level emulator he built is "playable sometimes" 😄

which really says a lot about how far we are from the kind of power a PC needs to emulate N64 low level at full speed

[viral swift]

Whats all about this Kwest64 Thing? I dont get it

Even blacklisted 🤣

[plush summit]

lol no way

oh shit lmao

[viral swift]

?

[plush summit]

Its blacklisted

[compact depot]

Kwest64

Q u est64

[remote hatch]

Kuwait64

Mister64

64 bit madness 🙂

[wanton sun]

Zilmar did a great job with Project64. Given the power of PCs at the time it appeared, it's a micracle it could even run games at full speed. Of course cycle accuracy was not the goal by that time. I had contact with him some weeks ago and the project is still alive, trying to improve accuracy towards LLE. Keeping that motivation over so many years, all i can do is giving it all honor i can

[remote hatch]

Paperboy

[wanton sun]

Regarding LLE on N64: there is a LOT of progress lately. Ares just received LLE RSP emulation with cycle accurate timing, compared against real hardware with random microcode. Lemmy(N64-systemtest creator) is working on a recompiler with very high accuracy, not distinguishable from current interpreters. Many others researching the hardware. It seems like the scene was never more active than today, it's amazing

It would be great to also contribute to that. For now i'm still doing baby steps towards "simple" games being able to run stable and look right. It will still take some time until i can think about working on the edge cases of the system

[teal citrus]

Still praying for the day software emulator devs make an N64 emulator that completely ditches the plugin system.

It's about time we get past that.

[plush summit]

I do believe retro gaming, like many other things, run in cycles, we're definitely past NES and SNES, its the N64's turn in the limelight

[zealous hull]

I agree. It's also really funny to me that we have Switch emulation that's doing pretty well, all things considered, and N64 still feels incohesive and scattered.

[wanton sun]

i give you one example: Rasky(Ares dev) created this page about the RSP pipeline behavior in the last 2 weeks! Guess what i'm currently working on? Exactly what is written here. If he didn't research it together with Invertego, i would implement in the blind now and have to test and verify later. In the last 2 weeks! That tells you how active N64 emulation development is

https://n64brew.dev/wiki/Reality_Signal_Processor/CPU_Pipeline

[hasty kayak]

I love that 🙂

[plush summit]

Wow

@wanton sun, you're living in the right time 😄

[zealous hull]

That's amazing.

Maybe you have an excuse to take more time off. 😉

[wanton sun]

What i want to say is that i would have been so much slower when all the exists work, code, infos, ... did not exist. It was realy the right time

[teal citrus]

And I'm glad it is

[lament escarp]

Someone in the future is sure to benefit from your work on the core as well. It's a win-win situation.

[zenith orchid]

One could say its easy to look like a giant when you stand upon the shoulders of giants, but even so, you're doing the work, and a remarkable job at that 👍

[teal citrus]

And I thought Copetti's documentation was complete: https://www.copetti.org/writings/consoles/nintendo-64/

[blissful plaza]

I'm following too the advancements from Rasky (and the help of Invertego), that's quite impressive.

[teal citrus]

I was wrong.

[wanton sun]

Copettis overview is great, but more in a way to explain it for the normal user. It doesn't tell much insights of the system that would help rebuilding it

[teal citrus]

With the link that you posted, I can see why.

Nobody has ever gone that deeply technical on the console.

||Kinda wish the Saturn, Jaguar, and 3DO also got the same love like this.||

[wanton sun]

that's why it's so complicated: if you want to do it really exact, you have to work on the assembler level. That's how i have written my tests for psx and also first for n64. Even finding tiny bits of information can be really tricky and you can fool yourself easily with wrong assumptions. It takes a lot of work and cannot possible be done by 1 dev alone

[lament escarp]

Don't know bout the Jaguar and 3DO, but I wouldn't dare to judge about the progress of the saturn core after learning the situation of the developer.

[teal citrus]

Oh, me neither.

But when I talk about the Saturn, I was mostly referring to the same in-depth technical explanations and know-how, similar to N64 currently.

[twin barn]

the saturn is getting that love pretty much, have you seen srg320's picture of the probes before? lol

he's using a second de10-nano as a logic analyzer

[teal citrus]

It's amazing.

[twin barn]

and he's using practically 100% fo the available IO

he definitely has his own way of doing things hehe

[real void]

I think a lot of that comes down to the Switch containing really well documented hardware from Nvidia. Hell, I'm pretty sure the initial RCM/Recovery Mode function of the Tegra was in the official documents for the X1.

Contrast that with custom/bespoke/undocumented hardware in the N64, and that's the difference.

[teal citrus]

Yep

[zenith orchid]

proprietary SGI technology yeah?

such documentation might have been lost for a long time

[teal citrus]

Which means that right now, it's nothing but guesswork and trial-by-fire type tests.

[zenith orchid]

yeah, seems like a complete product would be the most accurate approximation possible

that could boot and run literally everything that can boot and run on the original hardware

it's quite fascinating when you think about it

[zinc dew]

Please don’t thank me. I thank you for being considerate and recognizing a value add for the community and for providing people the right tools.

[languid dune]

Yeah, srg320 definitely has his own approach. And the work he's done speaks for itself.

[zenith orchid]

Dr Abrasive also did ground breaking work to develop the satiator, which lead to some significant leaps in Saturn emulation

which I bet is also helping srg320

before that, Saturn emulation was unbearably slow

[teal citrus]

Don't remind me. Remembers Yabause

[worn delta]

I went and added counters to the sheet and started testing through some sections on the latest build (ROW, Aleck64, Tools and Gigaleak). Some big progress on the gigaleak tech demos in the last build from the one before, a lot of things starting to load

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit?usp=drivesdk

For anyone looking to test, be great to get all these TBC entries checked. I found a few games that boot just checking the rest of world section that haven't been mentioned here yet, probably a lot more in there

[zenith orchid]

Well shucks, I appreciate it. though I can't take credit for providing the tool. it was @cerulean elk who knew about it and shared it in chat. 😄👍

[cerulean elk]

I’m always bringing my tool to the party

[vagrant ivy]

No you are the tool at the Party 🙂

that may be lost in English Slang

[languid dune]

Why you gotta be such a tool?

[cerulean elk]

Get your mom and sister over for drinks and you aren’t wrong 😏

[vagrant ivy]

A tool in that context is an idiot !

[cerulean elk]

In my context it’s bringing the pipe to remedy the plumbing…

I’ll see myself out 🤣

[languid dune]

Insert rimshot GIF.

[vagrant ivy]

I guessed. Thats also slang but not the one I meant

[plush summit]

@cerulean elk aren't you from Chiraq?

[cerulean elk]

Yeah I live in a fox hole just to be safe

[zenith orchid]

damn it, what have I wrought

[languid dune]

There's no turning back.

[plush summit]

ain't no slang passing you my brudda

[cerulean elk]

You opened the door. I Kool aid man’d through it

[languid dune]

Dang it! There are so many GIF opportunities here!

Just imagine them!

But I shall refrain! For the good of the thread!

[zenith orchid]

So um, are most racing games on n64 equally good/mediocre? I know there are so many of them

[languid dune]

There are a lot of good ones.

[vagrant ivy]

quest 6 4 is the best racing game

[daring meteor]

That's Mortal Kombat 64 actually

[cerulean elk]

Rush 2 is my personal fav. A lot of replayability

[languid dune]

Mario Kart 64, Wave Race, 1080, Excitebike, Beatle Adventure Racing, F-Zero X, Rush.

Snowboard Kids

[zenith orchid]

I love the F-Zero franchise so much

[remote hatch]

Wave Racer ❤️

[languid dune]

A man of culture I see.

Awbacon may or may not be aware of my obsession.

And by that, I mean he definitely is aware.

[remote hatch]

Almost 😋

[zenith orchid]

is Diddy Kong Racing as good as people make it out to be? when it first came out I thought it was so random. like, why Diddy? and who are all those other characters?

[plush summit]

DKR was banging, they did a really good job with the single player

[lament escarp]

Isn't conker in that game as well?

[zenith orchid]

that was his first appearance right?

[lament escarp]

I think so. And it was before they had decided on his adult personality and style.

[zinc dew]

@languid dune F-Zero isn’t good

[lament escarp]

Yeah, it's great!

[zinc dew]

It’s AMAZING!

[zenith orchid]

it made me wonder if conker and dk are in the same universe.

[zinc dew]

Dkdjfhsjwosjdie he beat me to my own joke!!!!!

FML

[languid ore]

DKR is everything MK64 is just better

[lament escarp]

Girls are also amazed how fast I am.

[zenith orchid]

that good huh? what about crash team racing?

[fallen sparrow]

Could we get this pinned if not already please.
Edit - already pinned

[worn delta]

It's already pinned 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

My bad thanks lol

[worn delta]

FYI, error codes defaults to off in the menu so you need to turn that on each time you boot the core to get the error message if you are doing testing and wanting to see what is thrown up (alrthough a lot don't show one when they don't boot)

Maybe Robert will default that to on

[chilly ember]

Tricky from starfox adventure, his first appearance was in Diddy Kong racing too lol

[fallen sparrow]

Was the last core update yesterday?
I wanna get an early night, but if we have a 20230815, I'll stay up and Stream

[thorn flax]

they needed sega to show them how it's done

[zinc dew]

That is admittedly my favorite, I got really into it

I love all of them though, they’re all so good for different reasons

[thorn flax]

also check out Fast RMX. great spiritual successor on Switch

[cerulean elk]

I’m surprised you didn’t comment F-Zero this morning 😂

[zenith orchid]

oh I didn't know that

so the dk universe is connected with conker's and starfox's

that's kinda cool

and it makes sense

talking animals

[lament escarp]

I can either drive fast, or switch colors. Not both!

[chilly ember]

Yea that's the obscure one no one knows about

[zenith orchid]

wait, wasn't star fox adventure supposed to be an entirely new franchise?

[thorn flax]

Dino Planet

[chilly ember]

Was originally dinosaur planet

Had a fox. Miyamoto was like we have a fox, so they changed it to a star fox game

[lament escarp]

We have star fox at home!

[vapid moat]

Been outta loop hard, games can run a bit now?

I thought we'd not see anything ingame until December lol

[pulsar vessel]

Hi is there a place where we can download full n64-systemtest ? Thanks

[worn delta]

#1096015979055697940 message

Grab it there

[zealous hull]

Yeah, there is 100% a reason for it. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. The people working on N64 software (and FPGA <3) emulation are brilliant, talented people. I wish I was half the developer they are.

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/developers-gif-4458491

[thick terrace]

its so cool to see life out of so many games. I got a waving banner and some demo "shadow driving" demo action in Penny Racers.

[fallen sparrow]

Shadow driving is the new driving

[vapid hawk]

yes, and this game leaked recently! you can play it on n64

its a build from before they moved over to gamecube and added starfox elements

[zenith orchid]

what??

[vapid hawk]

yeah dino planet leaked

its incomplete but playable enough to see what they were going for, its pretty impressive looking for an n64 game too

[zenith orchid]

oh man, I'm excited to play this

[vapid hawk]

some people are working on restoring it too

it may even run better on the core than real hardware since we have like, kind of infinite ram

[zenith orchid]

I think with the PSX there's an expanded ram feature for homebrew that utilizes it

that would be a neat feature for the core

oh wow, this game looks absolutely beautiful!

[remote hatch]

https://youtu.be/_T9NTBgeD84

Nice!

[vapid hawk]

the protagonist seemed more interesting before they replaced her with starfox tbh

[chilly ember]

There's the two protagonist's, the original girl fox had more of a role in the N64 version than Krystal in starfox adventure

I like how they actually speak English in the N64 prototype, instead of that made up language in starfox adventure

https://youtu.be/42Og4uROeHg

[languid dune]

I have failed.

[zenith orchid]

It still bugs me that Miyamoto thought it was a good idea to make a down to earth adventure game out of a scifi inspired franchise

[zinc dew]

I remember seeing Dinosaur Planet on a showfloor TV at E3, I was excited for it. I even got to talk to the dev team on the bus ride to E3 because we were all staying at the same hotel. Man what a cherished memory. They were amazingly friendly.

[chilly ember]

https://youtu.be/pG05g0o-TV8?t=261

[languid dune]

I wouldn't go that far, but GX is absolutely the best game in the series.

[zinc dew]

I was E3 98? The second Atlanta year.

[vapid hawk]

yeah honestly doesn't seem like miyamotos greatest ever decision

[zinc dew]

Wii Music was his greatest decision ever

[vapid hawk]

the eshop music specifically?

[zinc dew]

nah the amazing Nintendo Wii game

[languid dune]

Robby flexing his E3 credentials.

[vapid hawk]

never heard of it lol

you being serious? i'm going through the wii catalog at the mo

[zinc dew]

lol that was when I was a kid, my dad snuck me in

[languid dune]

The only E3 I've ever experienced was in the N64 core.

[zinc dew]

LOL

[languid dune]

Still, that's awesome.

[vapid hawk]

so should i check out wii music or are you memeing i can't tell 😄

[zinc dew]

if you can't tell that means I have already won

I think it's worth seeing, it's a fun little novelty toy. But it's also not a "fun game"

[vapid hawk]

oh is that the one where you kind of play instruments? and its not really a game

[zinc dew]

It was hilariously a major part of Nintendo's E3 presentation for whatever year it came out in

like a major part

[vapid hawk]

yes i remember now ok, it was hilarius looking

[tidal zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDg-eNpGC1I the only wii music I care about

[brisk edge]

That e3 presentation was just...🥲

[zinc dew]

I saw it live at E3 and it was extremely awkward.

everyone was like "what the fuuuu?"

[languid dune]

This legend.

[zinc dew]

yeah, it wasn't as funny at the presentation

because it was all like a fever dream

[languid dune]

It's a jpg, not a gif! ||Please don't kill me Robby. ||

[zinc dew]

LOL

[brisk edge]

Not in game dev but having watched plenty of business/corporate stuff, I can see how quickly things can go sour and get awkward. Sometimes people do not put together the best presentations lol

[zinc dew]

yeah I don't blame them, I think NoA was fed an interesting product and were told to sell it to the wrong audience

the wrong audience being gaming journalists who were a big part of the audience

like showing it off to Walmart, Target, etc. purchasing reps? Of course.

Slam dunk

[brisk edge]

Yeah definitely

[vapid hawk]

just dance made like a billion dollars off roughly this idea

[zinc dew]

YUP

I think Ubisoft, for as cringe as they handle the Just Dance E3 stuff, still do it well

[elfin relic]

is just dance still getting yearly releases on the wii?

[vapid hawk]

probably tbh

[languid dune]

Time for me to flex. Back to the topic of the all important F-Zero, I was so into F-Zero GX when it released, that I actually beat the story mode on the hardest difficulty setting and the GP mode on master only 5 days after the game released. It's possible that I was obsessed.

[vapid hawk]

i have never completed the story mode on any difficulty lol

i think its one of the hardest games i've ever played

[elfin relic]

oh looks like maybe 2020 was the last just dance for wii

[zinc dew]

yeah was going to post

I have no idea other than what wikipedia listed

wow 2020

[vapid hawk]

someone must be making just dance romhacks / custom games by now surely

[languid dune]

Git goo...is shot.

[hollow orbit]

Are you a god?

[languid dune]

😇

[zinc dew]

oh my god, I don't think I did that

he's agent smith

[languid dune]

Anyway, my most anticipated game to try out on the eventual completed N64 core is the NES Excitebike through Excitebike 64. Why play it on the NES core when you can go the logical route of playing it on the N64 core.

[hollow orbit]

Logical.

[vapid moat]

Donkey Kong via DK64

[chilly ember]

ZX Spectrum in Goldeneye

[lone geyser]

Same energy

[orchid nimbus]

why is texas bigger than texas?

[elfin relic]

that's just how big texas is

[mild ether]

And why would anyone insult Texas by putting Canada in Texas.

[orchid nimbus]

Canada insults itself already enough

I agree

hides

[chilly ember]

Angry Canadian noises

[velvet nexus]

is that like a goose honk?

[orchid nimbus]

is that a Goose Honk or a Truck Honk?

[vapid hawk]

yeah ted cruz is a mystery

[chilly ember]

You guys can have him lol

[native mesa]

https://youtu.be/_K0sRkvX4KE

[weary palm]

wut. 🤣

[quaint rune]

💨 n64 lookin sharp

[sonic kiln]

I just bought a japanese N64 on ebay to install the N64Digital into that I bought forever ago. I probably would not have bought the stuff at that time if I had known this core was coming lol.

[weary palm]

Maybe this core will have shortcomings the real thing don't have. Maybe the opposite is true as well? 😉

[mild ether]

I got an everdrive I am probably going to sell if this core works out.

[weary palm]

If you're not attached to it for sentimental reasons, sure, why not

[quaint rune]

Shhhhh don’t jinx it. Only hope for the best

[native mesa]

The opposite is most certainly true

[mild ether]

Never had a N64 when it was out only played my friends in GoldenEye really. I think I would rather trade it up for a Twin Famicom and an everdrive for it.

[native mesa]

real N64 is one big shortcoming

[weary palm]

I never owned an NTSC N64 so even 20 fps OoT instead of 17-ish will be a win. 😉

But the PC port will always be superior...

I will still 100% it on my MiSTer as soon as I got the chance. 😉

[native mesa]

The randomizers are fun

[fair stump]

So many moments I can't wait to see for the first time on the core. Intro flythrough of OoT, pokemon snap music, madden cheat codes

[elfin relic]

can't wait to GET BONUS in s&p

[weary palm]

Wanna play some 1080 again

[fair stump]

I remember 1080 had that one huge ramp level you would spam moves as fast as possible

[weary palm]

Next N64 game to get the PC port treatment is Perfect Dark. https://youtu.be/XBnUcETsxxs 🙂

[cold pollen]

Coincidentally, Lil' Mush was my rapper name

[restive cove]

i got waverace to work in n64 but froze when pressing start

sound and music work perfectly

[devout leaf]

Mario Kart 64 is a little over half way done being decomped.
Majora was like 80% last I checked
Banjo Kazooie is almost finished
Qu3st 64 is almost halfway done.
Pokemon Snap and Stadium were started but I can't remember seeing info for outside of the announcement.

Looks like Snap's last work was four months ago and Stadium three years ago so those may be abandoned.

[plush summit]

@devout leaf I'm pretty sure MK64 is already done

[devout leaf]

https://github.com/n64decomp/mk64

75% per their github

[vapid hawk]

i wonder if any of these will help with core development

like if we have a mysterious bug in mario, we can read the source code and see exactly what its doing

[plush summit]

Huh, people told me today that it was ported to various systems

[worn delta]

Wait, someone is decompiling Brian 64?!

[devout leaf]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nx983yyZYuxalQPTYQocRAXGu8lukN_SI-P-IEcBik0/edit#gid=0

Not sure how active but someone is working on it.

[brisk edge]

paper mario, ocarina of time debug, perfect dark and super mario 64 are done

banjo is like 98% done but has been paused for a few months

[worn delta]

I can't believe someone is doing Brian 64 over... Everything not done, but more power to them

[devout leaf]

Ocarina of Time has been a blast on PC

[worn delta]

Goldeneye not being done?

[zenith orchid]

I really hope the restoration project replaces Fox with whom they originally had in mind

[devout leaf]

This is the one I'm waiting for.

[brisk edge]

goldeneye is in progress, but I think goldeneye and perfect dark were different people

PD has been done for months, and the pc port is like very very new, from someone who did a few different ports of mario 64

[worn delta]

Anyone doing Mystical Ninja?

[zenith orchid]

I like that there was a Goldfinger mod for 007. hope they include other films/novels

[plush summit]

@devout leaf My bad, I got MK64 and SM64 mixed up lol, you right you right

[brisk edge]

I've seen one for goemon, but it was very early

kirby 64 also has one

basically anything remotely popular for the n64 has one lol

most are not close to being done though

[devout leaf]

Kind of...hasn't been updated in like 8-9 months

[devout leaf]

All good my dude!

[brisk edge]

I think most of these are like 1 person jobs so, updates are sparce

kinda curious what stopped banjo, but I'm guessing it's just compilcations due to how rare programmed stuff

also wow I didn't know sssv was so far along that's super promising

I hope rockstar / take 2 leaves them alone

[elfin relic]

is there a Sin & Punishment decomp project? cursory google hasn't led me to results

[devout leaf]

Not that I know of

[elfin relic]

sad

[devout leaf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/ssas1b/every_n64_decompilation_project_2_microcode/

That's a good list of some that were going on

Neon Genesis is moving along too

[plush summit]

Ura Zelda?

Don't disappoint me

[devout leaf]

Some kind of 64DD file

[brisk edge]

turok 3, sick

[devout leaf]

Be cool if they found something hidden in there

[brisk edge]

desperately need a PC port of that

[plush summit]

I know there was an unknown Zelda directory in the leak, not sure if its that

[elfin relic]

man I forgot about the Eva game

[devout leaf]

That sounds about right

[elfin relic]

get in the n64 shinji, or else we're gonna have to make rei play brian 64 again

[brisk edge]

well, a decomp of the eva game would definitely help with producing a translation patch

[mild ether]

Who is working on the Vivid Dolls decomp and do they have a Patreon?

[devout leaf]

I think if you just toss a few dollars in the nearest gutter it'll make its way to the right people.

[mild ether]

Best game to ever grace Nintendo hardware.

[brisk drum]

#1046941029296779344 message

You nintendorks fired the first shot ..

The core wars have begun

https://tenor.com/view/batman-the-batman-i-will-finish-what-you-started-we-did-not-start-this-war-i-did-not-start-this-war-gif-26321859

[devout leaf]

I think the story of Bubble Bath Babes is more compelling. Why is she taking the bath?

[ember linden]

Ura Zelda is Master Quest. Not entirely sure what else that decomped file would get.

[devout leaf]

Ura Zelda was an expansion. After it was cancelled some of the scrapped parts were used to help make Master Quest.

[hearty oar]

Confession time, I’ve never played OoT or MM on N64, only on GC bonus disc and Wii VC

[ember linden]

Pretty sure I remember someone looking into what OoT was set up to replace with the 64DD and it was all just dungeon stuff just like MQ.

[devout leaf]

As long as you had fun

[thorn flax]

that's how I first played it

[fair stump]

#1046941029296779344 message

[ember linden]

https://twitter.com/LuigiBlood/status/1395750304281411591?s=20

Yakumono (@LuigiBlood)

Zelda Ocarina of Time source code has 64DD disk building tools with all the Master Quest maps already setup :)

Twitter · May 21, 2021, 2:36 PM

[thorn flax]

the gc bonus disk made me a zelda fan

[ember linden]

this was during the gigaleak

same guy also did a writeup years ago about it, he ended up writing a functional 64DD expansion for OoT later on

https://luigiblood.tumblr.com/post/174252638878/we-need-to-talk-about-ura-zelda-people

[brisk drum]

I said that in jest

You went straight for the jugular

Sega is for the masses not the classes !

https://tenor.com/view/showing-off-lady-decade-retro-gaming-look-at-these-retro-consoles-look-at-these-gif-25428387

[devout leaf]

Yeah I’ve been in it a bunch. Parts of Ura Zelda were used for Master Quest after it was scrapped. All references to the 64DD are removed from the code and it’s the exact same size as the OoT. I’m sure parts were recycled but saying Ura is MQ isn’t correct.

[brisk drum]

The Nintendo fateful fight amongst themselves..

You grow weak and complacent

[ember linden]

Is there anything specific that is known for sure is Ura Zelda specific and not MQ? Even interviews just sound like MQ

[devout leaf]

I know there was a swamp in the files. I’m not saying Ura wasn’t turned into MQ just that things had to be for sure cut. If it was a 64DD game it would have had to be larger. The final MQ is the same size as OoT.

Just saying some things were cut out.

[plush summit]

Calling Ura Zelda Master Quest hurts me 😔

[ember linden]

Unused stuff from OoT existing in the files isn't necessarily a sign that it would be used later. If anything it seems like Ura Zelda using the 64DD was just used as a way to distribute a second quest, which fits with both how the game is left set up internally and Miyamoto's interviews. For the Master Quest release Miyamoto even says that they "developed Ura for the 64DD but it didn't use any special features, so it was easy to put on Gamecube" (paraphrase). MQ being the same size makes sense when they just swapped the dungeons like the original expansion did.

[plush summit]

for real though, Ura Zelda is most likely bits and pieces that were shared along OOT/MM

[devout leaf]

The swamp was used in Majora

Well the hut I know was

[ember linden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/urazelda/comments/3vqda5/what_we_factually_know_regarding_ura_zeldas/

Nothing here sounds like anything more than MQ

If Ura Zelda was anything bigger I feel like we would've gotten gigaleak stuff for it around the same time that source code with 64DD disk building tools with all the Master Quest maps already setup was out

[plush summit]

I think the easiest method is knowing that Miyamoto tends to lie or forget things lol

It's most likely that he hyped up Ura like a separate game/sequel, but ended up being Master Quest

[ember linden]

Miyamoto specifically mentioning that "disks were cheaper to make which makes inexpensive sequels easier to release" really makes it sound like MQ, it wasn't anything major lol

[plush summit]

my guess is that the DD would've been something that just re-arranged OOT

not sure if they would take from the cart or just load an entirely new rom

[ember linden]

OoT is already set up to check the disk for replaced dungeon files iirc

No point in loading an entirely new ROM, in fact at that point why bother requiring OoT, you're literally releasing Master Quest at that point lol

[plush summit]

if anything, they could've sold a second game at full price 😄

[ember linden]

That is a curiosity, what they would've priced it at

[plush summit]

from my understanding, the DD was technically cheaper than carts, so maybe reduced

[ember linden]

Considering they made it a pre-order bonus one console later I can't imagine they would've had faith in releasing it full price even back then

[plush summit]

yeah, I think they banked on MM rather than MQ

[ember linden]

I'm pretty versed in the 64DD to an unhealthy degree

[brisk edge]

MQ = Ura is what everything has pointed to based on evidence we could find. If anything, maybe more was planned but just never got made since the DD was so shortly lived

[plush summit]

yeah, I do think MQ wasn't enough to release and they most likely dropped all the fancy ideas they had

very Nintendo of them

[brisk edge]

I really wish the lotcheck had leaked when the gigaleak happened, there was definitely some 64 games that were done that didn't release. Wonder if there were any DD games that had finished as well

[ember linden]

If there's some timeline where the 64DD actually released at or near launch we probably would have seen MQ ||and Nintendo would probably be in an even worse state considering they needed to canibalize 64DD projects to keep a meager release schedule on N64 lol||

[plush summit]

Oh yeah, the DD would've caused more chaos and I think they decided to stick with carts

[ember linden]

If you look at what bothered to release on 64DD it's all stuff that was tied way too closely to the DD that they couldn't quite yank it off easily

Animal Forest had to add RTC onto its cart to avoid being stuck on DD

[brisk edge]

They probably could have ported over Doshin but I'm guessing it wasn't that popular to begin with

[ember linden]

Doshin did use the clock and it had a "sequel"/expansion that required constant disk swapping of Doshin 1

[brisk edge]

Oh I didn't realize it used an actual clock

[ember linden]

Not for anything significant that I know of (the only I know off the top of my head is to put timestamps on photos lol)

[brisk edge]

Ah okay, so that could have been scrapped, but yeah the disk swapping would have forced the sequel to have to be reworked..they probably just wanted to cut their losses and just finished it up enough to push out before the DD was abandoned

[ember linden]

I don't like telling people Ura = MQ, I especially wouldn't like to tell it to this guy who in an email I ripped straight from a Randnet disk wrote this...

[brisk edge]

Oh yeah the Oracle trilogy too lol

Rip that

Forgot what the third game was supposed to be

[ember linden]

on a funny note here's something we won't be able to do on MiSTer, because it would require implementing the N64 modem as well and I doubt there's gonna be room for such a niche and pointless addon lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlhylDosi8Y

[brisk edge]

Oh, I legit just watched your video the other day lol didn't realize it was you

[worn delta]

I know from experience playing the GC Animal Crossing, and wondering why nothing was progressing, and realising my battery has died so clock wasn't saving, and game progressing, that is Animal Forest is the same then you won't have a good time without an RTC

[brisk edge]

It's super cool we can tinker with old networking stuff on consoles even if the capabilities are pretty limited

[ember linden]

idk where people are seeing my vid from, i should check analytics

[brisk edge]

I think luigiblood had shared it

[ember linden]

oh right

thanks youtube for removing features from me now that i started to upload more often

[brisk edge]

They live to serve

And then your video gets flagged for nudity or something and your channel gets deleted

[ember linden]

most of them related to streaming which i dont care about, but taking away "Add external links to your video descriptions" is really BS

[brisk edge]

Oh wow really? That's fuckin lame what the hell

[ember linden]

unless I give them video or ID verification which im sorry google no thank you

[brisk edge]

Yeah, that's some BS. I know it's to cut down on spam and stuff but, how about just filtering videos better instead 🫠

[frail jolt]

..... I just wanna play conkers bad fur day

[random portal]

does the current test build work over analog?

I wanna keep track of:
• Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth
• Bomberman 64 (2D waifu Japan, and 3D piggu USA)
• Killer Instinct Gold
• Conker's Bad Fur Day
• Twisted Edge
||+ all PS1 games with N64 counterparts that had 4 player support||

also might be a good time to buy up some Brawler 64 controllers for USB.

[solemn maple]

Robert, with LOD currently missing does that mean assets always render at their highest quality? And if so, will it impact performance for the mister core?

This fella was pretty noticeable in the switch port

[languid dune]

lol, yeah it was super noticeable on Switch. I remember not even noticing it on my N64 back in the day.

[solemn maple]

I'm playing through it now on a 14" Crt and I only noticed the low poly model once when triggering it on purpose.

[idle current]

That's model LOD - managed by the game code on the CPU, separate to any texture LOD functionality on the GPU.

[solemn maple]

Aaah, that makes sense 😅

[pale mural]

@wanton sun what do you use for drawing your block diagrams? Inkscape?

[wanton sun]

not really. especilly it does a horrible job with multitexturing then. i had a screenshot of banjo on twitter to show the difference

[wanton sun]

just libre office presentation

[pale mural]

nice, thanks

[narrow ruin]

whaaaat someone is decompiling Mystical Ninja ! what a time to be alive 😄

[teal citrus]

And the Ship of Harkinian devs are currently working on their own Perfect Dark ports: https://twitter.com/Graslu00/status/1691398849389019138

Graslu00 (@Graslu00)

It seems like there's yet another Perfect Dark PC port project in the works at the moment! Unless of course they're referring to the same one we've been playing for a few days now, which I doubt (?).

The team at @shipofharkinian posted this announcement just 12 hours ago:

Twitter · Aug 15, 2023, 10:38 AM

[weary palm]

Yeah, I saw that. Can't be the same port. A few days isn't a little under a year.

[silent marten]

I been trying this one out 🙂 it works really well

And I also been playing Ship of Harinian

With mods that make it look amazing and it runs at 60+ FPS

[fallen sparrow]

Do you have a link to the playable PC perfect Dark please?

[silent marten]

In your DMs bro

[fallen sparrow]

Sweet, thank you

[silent marten]

They update it very frequently

[fallen sparrow]

Nice, I'm on my way to a friend's house for some offline Street Fighter (a rare treat nowadays), but I'll look into this later.

It's public transport too, as there's no parking near him

Spamming = This is the way

[weary beacon]

Why shouldn't it work on the Multisystem compared to other mister setups?

[real void]

Well the multisystem is more of a custom board that isn't part of the traditional stack, so I just said I'd post that the Core running on the Multisystem is in line with more popular stack configurations. I didn't intend to imply otherwise.

[remote hatch]

heart is the same , de10 ❤️

[weary beacon]

Every board is a custom board. All Mister Setups are the same in the running of cores and game. The only difference could be double ram for some work in progress cores.

[weary beacon]

exactly. all other parts are just accessories. The DE-10 nano does the work.

[real void]

Thanks for the info, I'm quite new to Mister

[mild ether]

If you use the lodgenet rom for Mario Kart you don't have to spam the start button.

[velvet nexus]

Welcome to the hobby

[real void]

Cheers!

[cerulean elk]

hey a new MiSTer user! Welcome!

[real void]

Thank you, I always watch your VGE content, keep up the great work!

[cerulean elk]

aww thanks. Plenty more coming

Id be VGE here too but @brisk drum made be change back lol

[velvet nexus]

You have a favorite core, yet?

[covert bough]

Can I grab that dm too please

[pale nest]

thank you!

[pale nest]

the 2nd link I don't have access to. but, the first thing worked thanks.

[brisk drum]

WHUT I do?

[cerulean elk]

You got upset when I appeared as VGEsoterica lol

You and @languid dune I think 🤣

[brisk drum]

I did ? … no way bro

[cerulean elk]

Haha nobody liked if I don’t think

[chrome quest]

I believe you need to add the Cycle Accurate role here on the discord. Should be an option one of the channels. Not sure which

[cerulean elk]

I’m only Awbacon here now. VGEsoterica everywhere else

[pale nest]

Thanks even though I've had an account here for a while I don't use it often. So I appreciate the asistance.

[silent marten]

Sent

[orchid nimbus]

oh nice new e-mail from the master

[topaz otter]

Mario looking a few polygons short of being a bitmap

[cerulean elk]

yeah I saw it in this morming. Fun stuff

[mellow path]

Is this the roblox all the young'uns keep talking about

[brisk drum]

@woeful grove can you please block the word Roblox or any variation of it thereof ..
For eternity .. I find the mention of that game offensive ..

[woeful grove]

maybe a roblox bot would boost server engagement

[languid dune]

I can niether confirm nor deny this. 👀

[brisk drum]

Why don’t you love me as much as Robby!

lol

[languid dune]

Come over here Taco. There there. 🫳

[orchid nimbus]

I should keep a timeline on milestones

first public release

first game playable - Namco Museum

first 3D games show life

when was the first public release?

[languid dune]

First legendary E64 error code achieved.

[cold pollen]

That's a cool idea actually

You could go on Patreon/twitter and research older cores too

[orchid nimbus]

yeah I am thinking about adding it to the FAQ

[languid dune]

Jokes aside, that is a fun idea.

[orchid nimbus]

5/26/2023 First Public Release
7/9/2023 Namco Museum Playable
7/10/2023 Sound Added

will fill in the details later

[quick arch]

It is possible with Xeno Crisis 🙂

[languid dune]

Yep, that was my first as well. 😅

[brisk drum]

You are hereby anointed chronicler of the N64 core

[orchid nimbus]

when was the core first announced?

let me check patreon

Feb 2nd 2023

[wanton sun]

work started on emulator: 2023/01/16

well, testroms before, oldest is from 2023/01/06

so more than 8 months already. psx at that time was far ahead...but i don't want to complain

[orchid nimbus]

oh to 2023-01-06 N64 Core Exploration starts

2023-01-16 Work on Emulator Starts

After work I'll fill in some gaps and will add links

[orchid nimbus]

it's not a race 🙂

[languid dune]

Felt like the christmas demo and oxygen demo running for the first time was a nice milestone.

Christmas demo came first.

[real void]

Impossible to single one out, the entire Mister project is jaw droppingly phenomenal....I say that as a collector of original hardware and as someone who's been emulating since the late 90a. Mister and all of its cores and contributors and incredible.

[orchid nimbus]

if you want to have events added let me know everyone

will spellcheck later 🙂

[lament escarp]

2023-12-24 full release with most commercial games working flawlessly. 😛

[orchid nimbus]

I am missing a bunch - but I'm working at this moment

had some downtime

links will be added

[mild ether]

Why do PAL roms boot with the NTSC PIF it seems without issue? Is the part that is supposed to halt the CPU not implemented or is this what would happen in real hardware?

[orchid nimbus]

?

oh pal 'bios' booting ntsc roms

[worn delta]

I swear I previously got a "this game is for a different region" message, trying to play a PAL game but have yet to see that again.

[mild ether]

The arcade PIF also seems to work without issues using whatever rom also which is great but I am just curious as to why that is the case. It's more interesting if this reflects what would occur in real hardware.

[zealous hull]

I don't think it can be overstated enough at how impressively far everything has come already. You're working unbelievably fast to me.

[mild ether]

That was kinda what I expected to see also but I am not sure if it's games that would say that are just not booting period right now or the games that do boot right now just don't care if it's PAl on NTSC.

[hearty oar]

There must be some way to get around it, everdrive happily boots whatever region games on any system

[visual forge]

Hey dudes, is Mario Kart 64 supposed to just work or do you need to do something ?

I just get a black screen once the rom has been loaded

I have a big endian rom with the name Mario Kart 64 (USA).z64

Using direct video (so a CRT)

[worn delta]

No analogue support currently I don't think?

I am also assuming you have a boot.rom

[visual forge]

No, where do I put that? N64 game folder?

[worn delta]

Yeah

[orchid nimbus]

@visual forge https://vampier.net/N64/

[mild ether]

I assume the Everdrive just fakes the CIC region identifier to make it happy.

[devout leaf]

Hasn't it only been seven months?

So you'd be doing even better than you gave yourself credit for.

[visual forge]

Is that the 64dd bios? Only mention I can find of such a thing online

[mild ether]

boot.rom is the PIF bios file for N64 there is the NTSC, PAL, PAL Brazil and Aleck 64 PIF bios out there in the usual places you need to download and rename boot.rom

[visual forge]

Thanks man, I found the file

I get E047 when the rom has loaded, and a black screen

[wanton sun]

New testbuild is uploaded. there are several steps to be done to make it work, please read everything and ask here if you have questions. @silent marten can also support 😉

Almost all of the work was done by @bronze tree

[orchid nimbus]

ok I'll add the file to the webpage now 🙂

[wanton sun]

also thanks to @orchid nimbus for hosting the file

wait, it was not added?

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/n64-database.txt

[wanton sun]

oh, i understand to the help page 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

it was 🙂 but the help page didn't have it yet

now it does

new release!!!!

there 😉 to get some attention lol

[wanton sun]

Majoras Mask ingame (probably, it was taken after entering name)

but i can't be sure, haha

[lament escarp]

I've been waiting for zelda! Thank you so much!!

[quick arch]

Using a database online will be just for sometimes ?

[chrome quest]

Eagerly awaiting how to configure the new test build. N64 controller ready to go! Is part of the auto configure BIOS handling?

[vagrant ivy]

database is too big it just needs this one line

66de752df1f29346377795a13f2543b1 ntsc|cic6102|cpak # Quest 6 4

[wanton sun]

probably later on update all can load it

for now we have to copy it by hand

[orchid nimbus]

It should be a 1 time download

There might be changes but they will be small

[vagrant ivy]

doesnt the CRC change if you are using say the no intro roms over another rom set ?

[orchid nimbus]

The first 4096 bytes are picked

[vagrant ivy]

ah that makes sense

[quick arch]

the file needs to place on N64 directory ?

[orchid nimbus]

And analysis has been done

Yes games/N64

[quick arch]

Thanks 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

As per my FAQ

[vagrant ivy]

just remember you only need the line I linked since all other games are a pale shadow

[lament escarp]

I'm really excited for brian 64. What's your favorite magic path? Mine is earth, for sure!

[vagrant ivy]

never played it never will I just like the Meme

[languid dune]

I assume that new test build of main will disable save support for Saturn?

I know the Saturn save support update just rolled out to stable main.

[chrome quest]

Can the "MiSTer" file be changed while the MiSTer is switched on? Or do you need to extract the SD card?

[orchid nimbus]

@chrome quest rename mister to mister.old

then drop new mister

[undone oak]

does it matter what pif file you use between aleck64 or standard ntsc pif?

[orchid nimbus]

any other order may 'brick' it and you'd to remove your SD card to replace the file

I'll make a download script soon enough to fully automate this stuff

[chrome quest]

Ok, thanks. But no problem doing it while remoted in then? Not so bad then

[orchid nimbus]

@chrome quest not as long as you follow those instructions 😄

[vapid hawk]

what actually is CIC type?

[vagrant ivy]

its a secret

if you ever find out you would have to be killed

Closet inspection commitee

[pallid falcon]

Commander in Chief

[vagrant ivy]

Chamelon Interface Chip

[pallid falcon]

Clearly Impossible Core

[vagrant ivy]

The CIC in an N64 cartridge is simply a means of preventing unlicensed games from working on stock N64 systems. In a sense, the CIC is of no concern to the gamer. The N64 system however, requires the CIC in order to start up a game.

[lament escarp]

Where do I get the n64-database.txt?

[quaint rune]

I’ve done it before once too. It’s like performing open heart surgery even though you’re the janitor.

[vagrant ivy]

#1096015979055697940 message

is the database

you will also need the latest unstable mister

from

#test-builds message

[orchid nimbus]

yay 1st place!!

[vagrant ivy]

Wrong Game

Play the right game

[orchid nimbus]

let the channel be flooded by people who don't read 😄

[pallid falcon]

Forget Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart 64 was the first in the series to have black (block?) holes.

[inner bronze]

Well the game is partially correct. It has 64 in the name.

[vagrant ivy]

the Server censors Mario just like the word Quest 6 4

[lament escarp]

This feels like diffusing a bomb.

[quick arch]

the music with save state still working 🙂

[inner bronze]

Brian was censored by Nintendo itself because it didnt want to risk lowering Mario's popularity

[orchid nimbus]

then you should really appreciate what work the people do that create all these auto update scripts 🙂

[chrome quest]

Got the new "MiSTer", N64_cic.rbf, database file. No errors so all looks good.
Can't get Majora's Mask to load for whatever reason

[languid dune]

Has anyone tested if the test main disables Saturn saves? Just not sure I want to do it yet since I'm still testing a lot of Saturn stuff.

[orchid nimbus]

hello this is #1096015979055697940 🙂

lol

[solemn maple]

Wetrix with some graphics and sound

[quick arch]

Banjo 🙂

[languid dune]

I knoooowww! I'm talking about the new test main for N64.

[lament escarp]

I did as you said and now I don't get any picture out of my mister anymore!

Should I just pull the SD Card out and rename Mister.old back to Mister?

[vagrant ivy]

did you use filezilla to copy it ?

[lament escarp]

Yes

[vagrant ivy]

then you didnt turn on binary transfer

you must only use binary transfer when sending things to the Mister

also do yourself a favour and get WinSCP

[cerulean elk]

fun stuff!

[vagrant ivy]

and never suffer the embarrassment again

[lament escarp]

Would this make it worse???

[cerulean elk]

Maybe not new video yet but love to see it!

[languid dune]

I've been using FileZilla all this time with no issues! I'm also on a Mac...👀

[vagrant ivy]

copying old one back will work but just send the mister file via binary

and then it will be fine

But just dump filezilla and use WinSCP. Its vastly superior

[languid dune]

Is there a WinSCP on Mac?

[vagrant ivy]

Probably Not but who would use

a mac !!

[languid dune]

womp womp

FileZilla it is then!

[vagrant ivy]

filezilla is fine if you set the mode to binary

its just a shame it doesnt deafult

as we get endless my Mister stopped working when people try !

[viscid gate]

Saturn saves are still working for me with this Main

[lament escarp]

You saved my life good sir! We have visual contact again!

[languid dune]

Thank you!!

[solemn maple]

Tom and Jerry in fists of furry get in game and is playable

[languid dune]

You earned yourself a super reaction.

[solemn maple]

You can't see your character tho

[orchid nimbus]

yet

[cerulean elk]

@orchid nimbus lmk if something amazing works now otherwise I think I will hold on a new update if there isnt that much "visually" different outside more games booting to mushroom vision

[vagrant ivy]

Quest 6 4 now works fully

you should make a video

see here. I made this using the latest core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKVIlpGopuo

[fair stump]

Is this update more of a games work better or newer games may work thing?

[thick terrace]

we need a mister unstable? the just updated mister today...

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk heh 🙂 you'll read all about it here I'm sure

[solemn maple]

New games may show small signs of life 😊

[vagrant ivy]

yes a new mister unstable and a database file are needed

#test-builds message

[thick terrace]

whats the database for?

[vagrant ivy]

telling the core what to do

[thick terrace]

the core knew what to do yesterday, now it doesn't?

[vagrant ivy]

database is at https://vampier.net/N64/

[thick terrace]

can we update mister while it's running? My sd card is inaccessible in my case.

[vagrant ivy]

It how it works now so either use it or dont. if you dont the new build wont work so your chocie

[thick terrace]

Can I do it in filezilla

[vagrant ivy]

set the transfer to binary

[languid dune]

Pokemon Puzzle League now boots up with the intro, and then crashes. Before it was just the audio for that part, now you can see the visuals.

[wanton sun]

to clarify what the CIC change does: the CIC is a chip on the cartridge that communicates with the console to validate that the cartridge is original. The console then puts a magic word inside the PIF memory and the game checks for it. If the game finds the wrong word it may hang up or do other things for anti-piracy. Until yesterday, a fixed CIC (the one from Mario Kart) was used. Now all are supported, potentially allowing more games to run

e.g. i get sound now with yoshis story, what before was not possible

[thick terrace]

cool

[languid dune]

I get audio now for Mortal Kombat 4.

Was even able to get to the character select screen and select a character! Just audio though.

[solid crest]

@wanton sun Will the core always use a database or is this only because some of the system in not implemented?

[solemn maple]

Star fox gets real far 🦊⭐

[languid dune]

Yeah, I made it to the asteroid belt boss already with the previous build.

[lament escarp]

I get a small yellow line in the top left corner of oot!

[orchid nimbus]

oof

[lament escarp]

dk64 tells me no expansion pack installed

[quick arch]

Mario Paper shows first screens

[thick terrace]

so rename MiSTer to MiSTer.old in filezilla and then transfer the unstable MiSter?

[solemn maple]

The splash screens in starcraft lookin crisp

[lament escarp]

Yes but change transfer to binary first!

Pokemon Stadium is playing some real scratchy music before dying

[orchid nimbus]

paper mario

[wanton sun]

very nice register print out

[orchid nimbus]

0000E+00 😄

[wanton sun]

address error on store sounds like TLB could be used

[orchid nimbus]

nice and helpful

is this the core or paper mario?

[cerulean elk]

thats how I remember it looking

[quick arch]

I have a question CIC could be also used for proto games or just retail games ?

[wanton sun]

the core either needs a database via file or compiled into mister main. We decided to do it with a file, so it can be easily edited for e.g. homebrew, romhacks, ...

[thick terrace]

where is the new n64 build?

[cerulean elk]

generally prototypes are not signed

[vapid hawk]

there's a similar file on a everdrive iirc, doesn't seem like a big deal

[wanton sun]

@quick arch you can add anything to the file

[vagrant ivy]

#test-builds message

[languid dune]

Wow, getting a lot out of Clayfighter Sculptor's Cut.

[quick arch]

sure !

[lament escarp]

Pokemon Stadium 2 shows some Screens

[languid dune]

Clayfighter has the whole intro song and a lot of visuals in the intro.

Even got into a match, but only the health bars show once in a match.

[orchid nimbus]

guess the game 😄

[languid dune]

Super Mario 64!

[solemn maple]

No face 64

[orchid nimbus]

I can't get into the game because I don't have the patched version

[lament escarp]

Starcraft 64 boots into title screen

[oblique remnant]

Fighters Destiny shows some very limited 3d graphics and sound 🙂

[solemn maple]

SF Rush play music and some graphics

You can start a race too

[oblique remnant]

its nearly playable id say 🙂

[lament escarp]

Yoshis Story says "auto-detect failed"

[orchid nimbus]

we are about to see levels of MiSTer core-ing that previously would not have been thought possible

[languid dune]

Custom Robo gets to the name your character screen.