Nintendo 64

[stoic parcel]

If you could go back in time, and prevent the Robocop 2 Data East arcade cabinet massacre, would you?

[deft tree]

i dont like the marquees on those i wont lie

[carmine kettle]

8bitdo n64 controller works with ps1 usb cable

how can i turb on rumble

[languid dune]

I couldn't get it working either.

I approve of this analysis.

Sadly, I have not. I really should though.

[mild ether]

Really worth the trip at least once if you like arcade.

[languid dune]

Yeah, I grew up with arcades, so I love them. We used to have an Aladdin's Castle in my town, and I went to it all the time. Shut down like a decade ago though.

There was a huge new arcade that opened up in Southridge Mall in Milwaukee a few years back. But I haven't been there since the pandemic, so no idea if it survived.

Did I just see @orchid nimbus dox himself!?

[orchid nimbus]

maybe

[zenith orchid]

I wonder if the crashes are related to the RDP->RSP

since apparently the RDP on its own couldn't crash it

[fallen sparrow]

Haha, this awesome! Would you mind if I used this footage in a video?
Not sure if and when, but it's very interesting

[chilly ember]

I don't mind

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks. It might be an extract in next Saturday's weekly news video. Have a good week. I should go back to sleep now lol

[zenith orchid]

Man I'm so excited for the texture modes! SM64, MK64, and SF64.. these games are basically in my top 5

[lament escarp]

I'm really hoping for zelda by Christmas.

[mild ether]

I am excited to have Vivid Dolls in my candy cab.

[orchid nimbus]

There are going to be bugs - just because all tests passed it doesn’t mean the interaction is 100% yet - patience 🙂

[zenith orchid]

its not an issue of patience, I'm just curious 😄

[mild ether]

😄

[elfin relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/871525533597442068.webp?size=64

[stoic parcel]

Do I want to know what this game is, the name invokes suspicions of hentai.

[mild ether]

The game is hilarious

[zinc dew]

Hey I ain’t judging. I just now expect you to tell us when it works lol.

@elfin relic its not funny when you point out my hypocrisy and and double standards

its hilarious

[stoic parcel]

I was dumb enough to look it up

Wish i hadnt

[mild ether]

Everyone else thinks Quest is the meme and I am saying it's Vivid Dolls.

[elfin relic]

someone has to watch the watchers

[stoic parcel]

Sometimes you get banned for that

[zinc dew]

In my heart I support you but you can’t meme adult stuff lol

it’s gotta be inoffensive

[marble cargo]

This is a Christian server

[stoic parcel]

Oh, it is?

https://tenor.com/view/see-myself-out-gif-21716927

[elfin relic]

Despite the game released only in Japan, all of the in-game text is in English.

[zinc dew]

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry on how I get literally schooled daily on this server

[stoic parcel]

I can train you in the ways of trolling, @zinc dew. Are you prepared?

[mild ether]

That is why it's funny because it's Nintendo and semi adult.

[stoic parcel]

Look up the HCG101 article on time twist for fds :)

[viral wadi]

Damn already looks more playable than any of the N64 emulators

🦬

[stoic parcel]

💩

[marble cargo]

That's the best part. Even if getting 100% accuracy isn't possible, it will still be way above any of the software emulators out there.

[zinc dew]

”To recap, the themes addressed in Time Twist include: divination, Christianity, devils, alcohol consumption and drunkenness, witch burning, the Nazis and the Holocaust, slavery, racism, nuclear war, and a demonically possessed Jesus Christ.”

lmaaaaao wow, how is this not translated?!

Instead we get doki doki my heart trouble paradise 7

We could’ve gotten time twist instead

I blame @elfin relic

[elfin relic]

if you learn Japanese, it's all translated

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1126522871095775272.webp?size=64

[stoic parcel]

My Japanese is pretty crap.. but I muddled through

[elfin relic]

looks like it's all hiragana which is... well it's a headache

[mild ether]

WHY IS THIS NOT TRANSLATED???

[elfin relic]

but so goes the famicom days

[mild ether]

It looks amazing.

[stoic parcel]

Weird ass obscure Famicom games. Tao is another one

[zinc dew]

If I steam the game will you read it to me @elfin relic

[stoic parcel]

Use Retroarch and AI translate plugin

[elfin relic]

only as a night time bed story so you go to sleep

you could also use MiSTer NES and google lense

[stoic parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O26MuNuPv84

[mild ether]

That US election famicom game is another that needs translation. we missed out on a lot of great looking games

[zinc dew]

I will use the N64 core to play the game through the Neon64 nes emulator

[stoic parcel]

What are the supported mappers for that emulator?

[zinc dew]

The “Nintendo” and “entertainment system” mappers

[elfin relic]

I just realized I don't actually have any FDS collection, guess I'll remedy that

[stoic parcel]

Collect the media, but use a loopy fdsstick and a ram adapter for playing them

[elfin relic]

I think I'll use the mister core

[stoic parcel]

Robby, that is a very annoying thing to say. lol

[zinc dew]

lol why is that annoying, I thought it was just dumb

[stoic parcel]

You got trolled

[mild ether]

If you can make it through the race section of Battletoads the core is officially fast.

[zinc dew]

I’m always getting trolled

[stoic parcel]

I am curious. But Id hazard a guess its about on par with an early 00s NOAC clone console :)

[nova grotto]

what do I need in order to run the N64 WIP core ?

[zinc dew]

This guide written by @orchid nimbus is an excellent starting point - https://vampier.net/N64/

lmao I just noticed:

Q Help game XXXXXXXXX doesn't work
A DUH!

[worldly quartz]

Can't wait to see someone finish mario 64 in one go with the current build

[zinc dew]

Someone tried but it crashed

I am thoroughly entertained by nightmare fuel Mario kart though, even if it crashes after completing the race

[hearty oar]

Can’t wait for “First build of MiSTer N64 Core That Could Finish the Game Without Crashing%” runs to start appearing on speedrun.com

[languid dune]

What's this I'm reading about an adult N64 game? Asking for a friend.

[mild ether]

Never heard of anything like that.

[thick terrace]

how do I get M64 to work in the current build?

[chilly ember]

You need to patch the rom to get past the stretchy face part before the file select

Patch is in pins

[fallen sparrow]

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned or tried Vivid Dolls?

[elfin relic]

first time it's been mentioned I think.

[hearty oar]

It’s the first time it’s been mentioned in my life…

The Aleck 64 too, I had no idea that was a thing, although I guess I should have known, seems like every console is essentially just jammed into an arcade cab in some form at one point or another

[fallen sparrow]

I wish more people spoke about it

[fallen sparrow]

This gets gif of the week

[viral swift]

holy moly, why is finding a suitable PIF dump so hard?

any suggestions where to look for?

[fallen sparrow]

Try searching

[BIOS] Nintendo 64 - PIF (Japan, USA)

If all goes well you may find it ARCHIVEd somewhere

A friend gave me this clue, and I was successful

[viral swift]

danke dude! enjoying your videos btw. 🙂

greetings from germany

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks buddy, I hope you find your PIF

[viral swift]

already testing some games 😉

[fallen sparrow]

Oh nice

[worn delta]

They really should be added to the HTGDB pack

Looking forward to see what this week brings. Did Robert mention what was next on his list?

[daring meteor]

All the Mario Kart texture modes I think?

[viral swift]

btw. mario kart 64 is freezing after the spinning nintendo logo. using the most recent unstable mister linux image.

[daring meteor]

You can spam start to get ingame

[viral swift]

ah thanks

[topaz otter]

Congrats robert

https://tenor.com/view/the-question-question-faceless-detective-noir-gif-17542996

Also mfw mario has no face

[remote hatch]

Mario without a face is better 😉

[old vortex]

I'm losing my mind trying to configure the buttons on my NSO N64 controller. It seems like the gyro in it is constantly taking over, and it's incredibly touchy. Anyone else had this issue? Any workaround for it?

[fallen sparrow]

I gave up after trying to play Golden Eye

[cobalt junco]

Don't hold it, place the controller on a table/floor while mapping the buttons

[old vortex]

I tried that and it was still so sensitive that it was going off just trying to map the buttons. I even tried holding it down/in place with the other hand. I wonder if it’s more sensitive than it should be… I have a second controller, I’ll try that soon and see if it’s the same.

[lament escarp]

I didn't even know the nso n64 has gyro. It can't be used in n64 nso games right? And the controller can't be remapped by the switch for use with other games. So what's the purpose?

[old vortex]

Hmm, that’s a good point. I wonder what else could be setting it off then.

[lament escarp]

You got any other controllers connected to your mister?++

[daring meteor]

The NSO N64 has Gyro? Huh

[lament escarp]

I paired and mapped the 8bitdo n64 in switch mode, no issues whatsoever. And that thing is literally mimicking an nso n64.

[old vortex]

Nope, made sure I didn’t connect any others when I was doing the mapping.

I really don’t trust my Bluetooth adapter (it never lets me turn on two controllers at once) so maybe it was just doing something weird. Sure seems like gyro, but yeah, doesn’t actually make sense for the controller to have it.

[hearty oar]

Hmm, I thought it was just my BT adaptor acting up, but when I tried to map mine it was yeah, skipping over some inputs, I just figured sketchy BT connection was causing doubled inputs

[lament escarp]

Can't think of anything except making sure the stick is in default position when turning the controller on and giving it a good wiggle in all directions before mapping

[old vortex]

The stick doesn’t seem to be that sensitive, so I don’t think that was causing the extra inputs.

Who knows though.

🤷‍♂️

[lament escarp]

I have a cheap bt connector from müller which works fine and lets me connect at least 4 controllers at once (didn't play that way for obvious reasons)

So you could try another bt connector

[thick terrace]

how do I patch m64? I see the file. what di I do with it?

[lament escarp]

Did you try any game that supports rumble with it? The 8bitdo one does not rumble at all when paired to a mister. The whole n64 business seems off, on switch it only rumbles with nso n64 games.

[hearty oar]

I didn’t try anything because yeah, I couldn’t map the controls in the main menu, kept getting doubled inputs (or at least that’s what I thought was happening)

Might try again later/try a different controller again that I know at least used to work

[viscid gate]

I had that issue - I had to resort to putting it on a hard surface for the mapping. I wasn’t sure what was causing it, the stick did seem very sensitive with no dead zone

[old vortex]

I used this website to do it: https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/

[thick terrace]

thanks that did it.

[cerulean elk]

https://youtu.be/oYOXbx2xKT4

hope it helps some people understand how to set the core up too

[silent marten]

Am watching it now buddy 🙂

[zenith orchid]

Its pretty cool to consider that one could disable texture modes in an emulator to determine which ones are needed for SM64, MK64, and SF64. I have a feeling that most games that are able to get in game will be playable with just those texture modes

[silent marten]

I think you are right Saucisson

[blissful plaza]

Hope you feel better too.

[cerulean elk]

Thanks! So far...still sick! lol

the cold that never ends lol. Wife has it now too

[silent marten]

That is not good, hope you both recover soon buddy

[cerulean elk]

Thanks. Not bad. Just major sinus issues / sinus pressure. Oh well...what can you do?

[cerulean elk]

hahaha exactly

both ears ache, eyes hurt, throat raw...the trifecta of "fuck you"

[raw oriole]

Ouch. Unswell soon!

[cerulean elk]

lol nice

[raw oriole]

Limpen yo membranes

[lament escarp]

Just watched your latest vid. Nice work as always! But I can't find the test build section with the latest core.

[cerulean elk]

look at the channels...at the top under community feed

#test-builds

[lament escarp]

No Access!

That explains it.

[daring meteor]

Hmmmmm isn't the Cycle Accurate role supposed to be there

[lament escarp]

I just activated all the roles and now I have Access. Even though I already had the feeds and test builds role.

[cyan pagoda]

no way, it has gyro ? i cried trying to set it up, i had to remove the input config file because i made it worse, omfg. i even thought my controller was broken but the sticks behaved ok in the input tester

[eternal island]

lol games are already kind of running. this is going fast

[pale mural]

@wanton sun does n64 have some kind of early z-cull? So if it determines, using the zbuffer, that a pixel/fragment is not visible it will early out of texturing calculations?

[viscid gate]

I don't know if the controller has a gyro, I thought the stick might be moving slightly

[raw oriole]

It has gyro - you can use it as a Switch Pro controller, to the limits of its ability. The yellow buttons are recognised as right-stick in Pro games.

[vapid hawk]

oh is that why its so hard to setup?

mister usually blacklists gyros (dualshocks etc) maybe that can be adjusted

[lament escarp]

Could be the same reason why it doesn't rumble.

For what it's worth I just played some sm64 on the mister with the 8bitdo and it is awesome!

[worn delta]

Just had a thought... Could the hack of Mario 64 that adds in rumble support from the Japanese version be patched to remove the mario face at the start? I.e. if Robert wired in rumble support could we be testing a version of Mario that has rumble working in it?

[lament escarp]

I guess the core would need to tell itself which addon is plucked into the controller.

[cerulean elk]

So what are peoples opinions of the NSO N64 controller vs Brawler 64?

[quick arch]

for the rumble the PSX core is good way to test the pad

it will work the same for N64

[vapid hawk]

NSO, all day everyday

the brawlers are just bad tbh

tribute64 2.4g is the only other one i'd even consider

[lament escarp]

Layoutwise? NSO. The 3 hand setup is quirky and endearing. The brawler is just... plain.

[zinc dew]

Hey guys, new to MiSTer here. I finally figured out the booter rom puff file.

Very excited to play Nintendo 64. But I noticed that Quest64 is not working? What gives?

[marble cargo]

My main criticism with the NSO controller is how weirdly anal it is when it comes to wired connections. But otherwise I think the build quality is pretty solid overall.

[vapid hawk]

the brawler64 dpad is a disasterpiece, and its analog stick is all kinds of wrong, the buttons are squishy, the triggers are senselessly like analog triggers

[lament escarp]

This game will run last on the core, as it is the best n64 game and otherwise none of the other games will get tested.

[vapid hawk]

idk what they were thinking honestly, i guess there was less competition back then

[zinc dew]

that’s not fair, I paid for MiSTer gold to get better working games

[zinc dew]

Can confirm, I own the original controller (which had an issue with the analog stick hitting the L trigger lmao) and the wireless version. It’s mediocre.

[cerulean elk]

NSO controller it is. Thanks everyone

Now to find one not for a eBay price lol

[lament escarp]

8bitdo modkit is a good alternative imo.

It even comes with a little rumble pack, so it doesn't look all that empty!

Also it has the same connector for analog sticks as any other n64 controller, so you can combine it with a n64 replacement stick like steel sticks, hall effect or just a kitsch bend assembly.

[vapid hawk]

it probably does have like an 8bitdo "wow, how did they even manage that" amount of latency though

(i.e inexplicably high)

[zinc dew]

So I’m watching this n64 video from a YouTube named videogameesoterica.

First of all, ignoring that the dude doesn’t even know how to spell “esoteric” so heh, you notice how he mispronounces Nintendo N64?

“Neen-ten-doo Enn-sixty-four”, that’s how you say it

[cerulean elk]

Neen 🤣 @zinc dew is drunk again everyone. Put the bottle down!

[lament escarp]

Fair enough, I don't have an nso controller for comparison nor am I really susceptible to input lag as long as its not really bad.

[zinc dew]

come on, like you’ve got to agree with me here. This VideoGameErotica guy is showing off these boomer games like WaveRace64? Like who cares about that no-name game. Why isn’t he showing off cool stuff like BattleTanx??!

[cerulean elk]

🤣

[vapid hawk]

i dont think anyones even tried castlevania64 yet

[viral swift]

i did

[devout leaf]

CV64 only deserves the highest quality experience

[wanton sun]

not in the rdp pipeline. The best the rdp can do is to find out that a pixel is behind another one and don't write back the pxiel and zBuffer value. But i'm sure the RSP microcode contains logic for that

[zinc dew]

CV64 sounds like what I do after I get laid off. Quick fire 64 CVs to anyone who’s hiring.

[lament escarp]

I like drunk robby

[opal quiver]

It’s so cool to play with n64 usb pad on it. Just missing the rumble pak…

[zenith orchid]

I would think the developers use microcode for z-culling

[zinc dew]

Im emailing this VideoGameErotic-asphyxiation guy to let him know maybe he should play a real game console like the Sega Saturn.

Does vivid dolls work with the core

[cerulean elk]

Lol is it you sending the death threats Robby?

If it makes you happy Saturn still outperforms N64 in view stats lol

[stoic parcel]

Hm, which video game controller cord would be best for that though. You need something pretty sturdy

[zinc dew]

No I feel like he’s a really cool guy but like maybe doesn’t know anything about video games or arcade games. Like I got a hunch he doesn’t have any arcade pcbs

[cerulean elk]

It’s all CGI

[zenith orchid]

I think once SM64 and MK64 are fully playable, it might be the most played core

[zinc dew]

I KNEW IT

[stoic parcel]

Well I mean he doesnt have any good ones 😏

[zinc dew]

Repost for this great video covering core progress and how to get it working.

[lament escarp]

Videogameerotic-asphixiation would be an awesome video topic @cerulean elk

[cerulean elk]

I collect only the finest 3D Jank nobody knows about

[stoic parcel]

Call me when you have a Solar Assault rig

[cerulean elk]

A connoisseur of the unloved bespoke hardware

[cerulean elk]

I did. Seller trash packed it. Arrived broken

[stoic parcel]

Noooooo

Can Gradius IV count as 3D jank? Those polygonal enemies look like ass

PS2 port butchers the midres too

[cerulean elk]

That’s how it arrived @stoic parcel

[stoic parcel]

thats not even antistat bubble wrap ;_;

[cerulean elk]

Nope. One piece of bubble wrap in a PS5 box. Board flex was the worst I’d seen once I got it apart

Def some severed internal traces

You want jank though?

[stoic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-vader-noo-no-gif-15893771

[cerulean elk]

Two upcoming videos

[stoic parcel]

Some later Taito 3D nonsense I see

What system is that?

[cerulean elk]

Type JC and Type JC PowerPC

[stoic parcel]

looks at game list for both .....

Anyway

[stoic parcel]

XD

[cerulean elk]

It’s Jank gold!

[stoic parcel]

Operation Tiger maybe fun?

[cerulean elk]

Super fun. Classic light gun action

That board is a three parter. Convert to JAMMA vid. Convert controls vid. Then review

Probably start running them late august / September sometime

[stoic parcel]

does not see Trio the Punch: Never Forget Me

moves on

[zenith orchid]

are most features like that programmed by the devs in microcode?

[wanton sun]

anything 3D that isn't pixel pushing, yes. Things like objects, animations, ...

[zenith orchid]

yeah it makes sense since this is still early 3d hardware

perhaps it's the next generation of 3d consoles that had many more features like that baked in to the GPU

[vapid hawk]

technically this is before the term GPU even existed

you need hardware T&L (first geforce) before its a GPU

[stoic parcel]

I wonder what the coding process was like for Atari's I Robot

[zenith orchid]

with all due respect, there are better suited channels for that subject

[stoic parcel]

You should contact a mod about that.

:)

[zenith orchid]

I would rather not have to

[orchid nimbus]

@stoic parcel stop being so damn edgy - my knife sharpener is afraid of you

[cerulean elk]

If you take a look at the 3DO M2 you find the bridge between the era of PS1/Saturn/N64 and the “GPU” era as far as 3D goes

[stoic parcel]

🔪

[zenith orchid]

true, they used different names. graphics processor or picture processor etc

[vapid hawk]

3d accelerator or just video card and stuff yeah

[zenith orchid]

display processor, in the case of N64

[cerulean elk]

It’s similar-ish to the N64; CPU doing CPU stuff and the “GPU” handling graphics/mpeg/triangle rendering/blah blah blah…but it’s done with an OS / folio setup closer to what modern GPUs would do with DirectX vs a microcode situation

[zenith orchid]

@wanton sun So if I understand correctly, basically everything the PSX GTE could do, you would have to write it in microcode on N64?

[cerulean elk]

Here’s something you won’t see every day

[zinc dew]

yah you’re right but considering the other conversations that go on in this channel it’s still ok.

I appreciate you keeping us on topic though, sincerely. It’s great to have people keep that in-mind. I think once we get closer to actual testing I may help steer the convo towards that and ask others to do the same so we can ensure Robert and the people here get the priority:

[stoic parcel]

I Robot is a very early 3D game. It was on topic.

[cerulean elk]

Bulldog chip from M2. New old stock and never used

[zinc dew]

Also if a mod is offtopic dude call us out. Our job is making sure you have a good time and the rules are obeyed. If I’m over here lampooning @cerulean elk and if you feel that isn’t constructive. Call me out. Y’all are the priority.

[stoic parcel]

Also, junior modding is cringe.. just saying :)

[zinc dew]

Being a mod is cringe

Junior modding is being responsible

[cerulean elk]

I lampooned your mom last night. Or harpooned? I cant remember

[stoic parcel]

I forgive you for being wrong.

[zinc dew]

this is what I’m talking about, it’s like the moment my name became orange it’s like daily dunks on me

[zenith orchid]

yeah I didn't say anything when most of chat was off topic, I only spoke up when the inverse was true

[zinc dew]

Oh my friend, don’t even worry about it. I appreciate you. Sorry I just thought your comment was a good jumping off point.

We all have a responsibility to each other in my opinion. My goal is to keep engagement up and people entertained for example.

[stoic parcel]

I Robot is an early 3D game. It was on topic ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zinc dew]

Im trying to be a cheerleader so every time Robert comes in here he feels good and sees the love and excitement.

[topaz otter]

This is like the days of utrahle again when a WIP piece of software was setting the world on fire

[cerulean elk]

people LOVE progress vids

Saturn more than N64 currently which I am surprised by but people get hyped for the progress

[stoic parcel]

Maybe dont compliment stupid people for saying stupid things because they didnt know what I was talking about

[cerulean elk]

its not often you get to be in the middle of a new wave of developments

[zenith orchid]

it's probably because this is the first update where the titles that matter are somewhat playable, I bet the tides will shift soon

[topaz otter]

its good publicity to get people to see this and then buy the DE-10 nano, the more people buy it and invest in mister the more the price will go down

the main impediment is that people don't know all the stuff that this thing can do

and it can do a lot

[cerulean elk]

my fav part is when commenters think I push MiSTer vids because I make money from MiSTer sales

I havent gotten my check yet

[zinc dew]

Come on, you can’t say that. Do you know the amount of stupid things that come out of my mouth?

[silent marten]

I love seeing all the progress on these cores

[zenith orchid]

😂

[stoic parcel]

I have no problem saying it because I dont think ignorance should be rewarded. But at this point, we are in mountains out of molehills territory. Ive made my point: If you don't know what something is, and how it actually relates to the conversation don't make comments on it.

[marble cargo]

I'm more excited for the development of the SEGA Saturn, because I feel like the FPGA core will motivate people to experience how unique the SEGA Saturn library is.

[orchid nimbus]

or come to the conclusion that SEGA deserved it

[topaz otter]

but sega did deserve it though

oh you mean deserved sucess not failure lol

[zenith orchid]

Until the hype around the Saturn core built up, I only knew of Nights into Dreams.. but almost everyone I knew either had an N64 or were close friends with someone who did

[zinc dew]

Yeah, Saturn was pretty unknown for me too

It was this third console that didn’t have Mario, Final Fantasy, or even Sonic

[topaz otter]

I think the saturn launch debacle turned off a lot of retailers actually

I've only ever actually seen one retail unit in my entire life

[stoic parcel]

Silence is compliance.

Moving on.

[topaz otter]

and it was at the YMCA

[cerulean elk]

see I have been playing Saturn since the 90s and love it. A lot more people will be discovering all those Saturn gems with the core

[topaz otter]

actually now that I remember it, it was the entire saturn kiosk was at the YMCA with the stand and the sign and everything

[zenith orchid]

Yeah, I was seeing Saturn commercials on TV and thought they were interesting, but never knew anyone who had one

[topaz otter]

apparently toys r us got rid of it

[cerulean elk]

BUT...from a hardware standpoint I welcome the N64 core more. RGB mod / HDMI mods are expensive AF / a pain to do for N64 and even then...they just dont look awesome

[zenith orchid]

@cerulean elk yeah I'm pretty excited about the gems, especially the Japanese ones

[topaz otter]

I remember buying Sonic 3D Blast on PC, and yes I still have my original cd

then seeing it on the actual saturn, I wasn't impressed either time

[zenith orchid]

@cerulean elk the everdrive is almost $300,

[topaz otter]

it didn't look smooth like sonic 2d

and it sure as hell wasn't mario 64

[wanton sun]

yes. The hardware to do that stuff however is very strong, so executing the same as the GTE could do in RSP microcode is faster if you do it right

[zenith orchid]

Hence all the optimizations we're seeing in the reverse engineered games. its pretty fascinating

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun are you going to focus on a game now to try to get it to 'perfect' state?

[zenith orchid]

I think he said he's focusing on MK64

[cloud hollow]

Thanks for the headsup, Moondandy, I just pushed the update adding N64 (and agg23 Game and Watch).

[topaz otter]

here's my question, while doing this are you aiming to just getting the games running as they would on the original console

or are you doing optimizations to actually make them run better, fixing framerate issues, etc

[wanton sun]

for now, i just try to get them working at all. Then accuracy is the goal and finally, if space allows, some options to make them faster

[topaz otter]

interesting

[zenith orchid]

it's looking like the Saturn core will be bigger than the N64 core because of all the excess hardware that is necessary for games to run, yet wasteful

to me its more of a miracle that the Saturn fits

[topaz otter]

well the saturn was the biggest example of wasted potential ever so if it wasn't that then it wouldn't be accurate

[orchid nimbus]

@wanton sun it seems that Mario Kart 64 is running full speed - do you think this will stay this way while your core is growing?

[hearty python]

Think the goal for both cores is to fit inside the FPGA.

[topaz otter]

flame me if you want I'm flame r e t a r d e d

[zenith orchid]

z-buffer and perspective correction I imagine would slow things down

initially

[topaz otter]

whats some other good saturn games

[hearty python]

Robert mentioned that speed is about 20fps now.

[zenith orchid]

@topaz otter super mario 64 😂

[orchid nimbus]

what's the normal FPS for that game?

[hearty python]

Not sure, think that game

30 fps is normal

[topaz otter]

remember when toads turnpike had actual real world vehicles in it

[hearty python]

But there is no cache yet

[topaz otter]

this means there is the DMV in the mushroom kingdom

[zenith orchid]

yeah 30fps for mk64

[topaz otter]

which means there are drivers licenses, highway patrolmen, this means that mario and his friends are driving unlicensed unregistered vehicles on a commercial highway

[hearty python]

But actual speed is fast, remember the speed of the software emulation

[topaz otter]

also dropping banana peels, turtle shells, etc, is littering

[hearty python]

Think mk64 will be great. But let’s see 007 and perfect dark.

Hope they don’t use to many tricks

[zenith orchid]

apparently mk64 makes calculations at 60fps while displaying at 30fps. I wonder if there'll be a way to verify that on the core

it's an interesting concept

[deft tree]

?? $120 for an x5 and $200 for an x7

[zenith orchid]

really??

wow I was way off

[wanton sun]

zBuffer will slow down the RDP, but RSP is currently running way too slow and CPU has no datacache yet. So the speed is more or less random at the moment

[deft tree]

Yeah, and the main feature difference is you have to reset the console with the x5 before it will save to ram

Whereas the x7 you can just power it off

[wanton sun]

overall the core is currently running slower than a real n64, but it says nothing without datacache and proper RSP instruction pipelining

[zenith orchid]

heh, and the PSX core was initially too fast

[worn delta]

Have you thought about how you will support the 3 differnt booet roms (NTSC, PAL, Brazil) Robert? Maybe boot0.rom, boot1.rom, boot2.rom and select from a menu? I am wondering if we could get the boot roms added to the BIOS DB early to avoid confusion finding and setting up the files

[plush summit]

tbh, I've always had that feeling that although the N64 is still popular, the mods have diminishing returns in comparison to other consoles

[deft tree]

I’ve gotten good use out of my 64 everdrive

[plush summit]

Yeah, but an Everdrive is a fixed cost no matter which system you own, but HDMI modding the N64 is the largest expense

[vagrant ivy]

Enjoy Nintendo Lawyers

[cerulean elk]

100%. And I think as time goes on you will see the mod market demand shrink as more MiSTers start existing. Even as someone who has more real hardware than any one person should...when you realize you can have a MiSTer for $450 that does ALL THIS vs one console HDMI modded with an everdrive / ODE for around the same price...that value proposition really swings hard towards MiSTer

[worn delta]

Well they haven't done anything about the other Nintendo console BIOS files it grabs from archive...

[vagrant ivy]

becasue you are not moving on something they currently sell as an option on one of their consoles

N64 is part of Switch

Still yuo go for it. If they do nottice you enjoy the Jail time

[cerulean elk]

People are losing love for "the real hardware experience" lately I feel like. People want to enjoy games how they remember then without the impediments of scalers / mods / ODE's and multi carts. Id say 90% plus of the retro gaming audience wants "ease of use"

the "I want all original hardware, all modded, with the ability to play any game I want on my 4K tv with clean visuals through an expensive scaler" crowd is def the minority

[hearty python]

Do you think that is really nessesary ?

[vapid hawk]

i think you need a pal pif to start pal games dont you?

[worn delta]

Yeah, the other cores that need BIOS files are covered by the DB (I don't run it btw) and you need a PAL one for PAL games

[hearty python]

I have one bios for all games

[worn delta]

Which BIOS?

[hearty python]

Have to look, but runs fine

[worn delta]

both PAL and NTSC?

[deft tree]

I haven’t bothered doing any mods to my 64, I just got Svideo cables and hooked it up to my CRT

[zinc dew]

As someone who is very jealous of people with Everdrives and modded N64s I am so VERY EXCITED about the N64 core

[hearty python]

All regions it seems

[worn delta]

I got a message saying it wouldn't load PAL game when I tried the other day using NTSC one

Is this a hacked/homebrew uni BIOS?

[lament escarp]

While looking up pifs I read something bout a region free ultra pif. That might be it?

[hearty python]

Don’t know but remember that it’s checksum was postet here

I can look later, if that is interesting

[worn delta]

Yeah, would be good to know if there is one that works for everything

Would make life a lot easier for everyone if there is

[hearty python]

Iirc there is no region switch yet in the core.

[worn delta]

Not yet, no

Maybe it is only some games that give the message, I can't remember which one I tried before

[hearty python]

So behavior can change later ?

I cant remember if I got it with the collection, or found it elsewhere

[worn delta]

A virtual pint to anyone who can find a PAL rom that gives the wrong region message, I am not seeing it trying some now

[hearty python]

Are there bios revisions on n64?

Saturn has some

But don’t know it it really make a difference later.

[worn delta]

I don't think so, the .pif files are super basic from what we can see - they don't display a splash for example so there isn't a different Japanese and North American one

[hearty python]

As Long as there is no trouble, I will not change anything.

[orchid nimbus]

since I can't type it 🙂

[lament escarp]

I think when Brian 64 becomes playable we won't see another update for a month since Robert will be busy playing that.

[native mesa]

I'm surprised he's not just playing it nonstop on his emulator

[quick arch]

11 bytes for everything 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

bite me 😄

[worn delta]

Because Brian 64 needs the Memory Pak we could be waiting awhile until we get the full Brian 64 experience

[native mesa]

I plan on getting a second mister and selling any OG hardware I can

[vapid hawk]

the mod market will just move up (barely, its already there pretty much) to ps2/xbox/gamecube/wii etc

[hearty python]

There will be allways collectors for the real hardware

[zenith orchid]

btw, has anyone tried shadowman yet?

[hearty python]

Testing wasn’t good. Mk64 is one of the games you can play now. Other games are mostly unplayable cause of so many glitches

[lament escarp]

I've been thinking of selling my xstation but I'm too sentimental to sell anything it seems.

[hearty python]

I have had a second one, but sold it months ago. Get more as i paid for it. One is enough for me, can’t play with two misters.

[cerulean elk]

I will never sell but I get the appeal

[hearty python]

I have thought to sell my hole minis, cause mister runs so well.

Prices are high now, better yet before they drop

[native mesa]

Well I want one in my living room on an LED TV with the new retrotink

I have a CRT in my office is just dont want to movie it around

[languid dune]

Catching up some of the posts I missed last night, and I see @zinc dew entered "go home, you're drunk" mode.

[hearty python]

That’s the reason i ended with the MMS. Easy design and easy to moves

Just like a ps1

[lean spruce]

this peaked my interest, does roms exist already with these optimizations?

[lament escarp]

There is a funny and interesting video about it from "Kaze Emanuar" on Youtube about Mario64

With lots of explanations for idiots like me 😄

[zenith orchid]

^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_rzYnXEQlE

[lean spruce]

thanks! will check that

[worn delta]

Could this version be patched to remove the face?

[lament escarp]

Roberts Mister Update makes everybody remove Marios from everything 😄

[plush summit]

I'm aware of SM64's rewrite, has anyone worked on OOT yet?

[zenith orchid]

not to my knowledge

its quite a massive undertaking, I'm surprised kaze emanuar even did this

[worn delta]

I think someone said the compiler/compression was better on OOT so you wouldn't get the same benefits you do on Mario 64. Don't quote me on that though, someone with better knowledge may be able to chime in

[plush summit]

I would imagine SOMEONE loves OOT as much as SM64 to do it lol

[languid dune]

With the games being ported to PC now, there probably isn't much interest anymore in updating the N64 versions.

[plush summit]

Yeah, I figured the PC port kinda makes it redundant if you don't care about OG hardware

[vapid hawk]

kaze's improvements aren't actually applicable to the real original mario64 right now anyway he's doing it for his own set of modded levels

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I imagine OoT would be much better optimized, as SM64 was a release title

[worn delta]

I imagine there is still a lot of interest in an improved version that runs on N64 if it is possible to get, also people want to make authentic hacks that run on OG hardware

Does that improved Mario 64 have rumble enabled?

[vapid hawk]

there is no release of it so, no

[zenith orchid]

All that work, just to keep it to himself huh 😄

[worn delta]

I thought there was an optimised Mario 64 out there...

[vapid hawk]

you'd have to rework all the mario64 levels to use his new improvements

he said he might do it later but its not really what he's into

[plush summit]

Well, I dont blame him if he grinded so long for it, he'll prolly release something in the future

[vapid hawk]

his level mods are amazing

there is a build of mario64 out there that made some tiny improvements using compiler flags but its nothing like what kaze is doing

[worn delta]

Oh, I am confusing this project with something else

[vapid hawk]

the "o2" optimzation , gains you 1 or 2 frames in some edge cases

[zenith orchid]

There should be other optimization hacks, such as disabling the debug flag

[vapid hawk]

kazes engine runs 60fps on real hardware almost

[worn delta]

-yeah, that optimisation is what I am thinking of

I thought it gave bigger gains though

[zenith orchid]

Anyway I'm excited about trying all the different SM64 hacks that are able to run on original harware

especially those which use Kaze's engine

[languid dune]

Does that hack of Smash Bros with a bunch of new characters run on real hardware?

[marble cargo]

Smash Remix does run on original hardware, but you'll need the expansion pak.

[languid dune]

Nice. I do have an expansion pak.

[worn delta]

So does the core 🙂

[lament escarp]

Didn't know that existed! Looks better than Ultimate to me.

[zenith orchid]

Wow, smash remix looks so unreal

[native mesa]

Is the Mario 64 rewrite playable with the original game or is it just for his mod?

[vapid hawk]

just for his mod(s)

[zinc dew]

We missing any pins?

[vapid hawk]

i'm not sure if any are actually out yet tbh

he's a genius but he's not good at finishing things 😛

[zinc dew]

Oh sorry I mean for this channel. Anything that’s missing from the pinned list?

Debatable that my list should be pinned tbh

[vapid hawk]

might want to add the n64 version of 240p testsuite?

i think its in alpha tho

[zinc dew]

Oh nice, can you write up a post so I can pin it?

[vapid hawk]

240p Testsuite for N64. Beta. Might be weird not sure i've ever tried it

[hearty python]

Release Date and the pure bigness of the game don’t have them much time for optimasations.

[worn delta]

I don't know how good/accurate the N64 240p TS actually is

[vapid hawk]

yeah i have no idea either lol, don't bother Rob if it looks weird 😄

[worn delta]

I think it could lead to more problems than it solves

[zenith orchid]

Perhaps so, but also the experience with the hardware probably helps, in which case there was much less of that during SM64's development I would imagine. I don't deny there would be room for optimization, but perhaps not as much

[eternal island]

i have tried it when i had my n64. it seemed off for some reason

[vapid hawk]

i'm not sure nintendo ever optimized anything that hard internally. compared to what factor5 and rare got out of the console. i could easily imagine OOT boosted to 30fps at least

[lament escarp]

The GC Version ran at 30fps iirc. And its emulated. Maybe that could be backported to real hardware?

[fallen sparrow]

You've aged, that ain't no sinus infection

[vapid hawk]

it has been backported and i think it doesn't run at 30 on real hardware

i'm not sure why that is though

[cerulean elk]

True. I turned 69 this year

[lament escarp]

The crashes in MM on GC never got a fan fix/patch. Otherwise I it would be a nice Version.

[hearty python]

I guess that time of coding, the real hardware wasn’t ready and if I remember the delay of the release, I bet the final spec’s too. There had been massive problems with the hardware. I can only speculate, but Nintendo lost their market position with this debakel.

[vapid hawk]

the OOT and MM randomizers actually double up as incredible quality of life improvement/patches

you can chose to not randomize but have stuff like faster text, map items to dpad etc

[plush summit]

MM is ~85% done by the ZRET, so there's hope

[lament escarp]

Would be nice to have that Zelda Collection in an actually decent State.

But I'll bet Robets core will be faster in playing it flawlessly.

[worldly flint]

Every time I see "MK64" I think "Mortal Kombat 64"

[hearty python]

We should be happy, that n64 isn’t more powerful, cause this makes the core first possible 😁

[lament escarp]

We should be happy, Robert is so powerful, cause this makes the core first possible 😄

[vapid hawk]

true, if n64 was even a little bit better made, this could all be impossible

i blame rambus personally. i have no actual idea, but everything else they had anything to do with went to hell so why not

[hallow pumice]

thank god for rambus, having high latency dram makes it even possible to implement cheaply

[zenith orchid]

is there such a game? 😄

[worldly flint]

Not yet

[nova grotto]

Thanks Man !

[mild ether]

Mortal Kombat Trilogy. I think that as MK64 when I see it.

Thinking damn there are a lot of Mortal Kombat fans here.

[plush summit]

MK(6)4

[stoic parcel]

Me too, lol

I think we're old

[plush summit]

I'd give the 64 moniker to the crappier MK, Trilogy is mad fun

[quartz frigate]

tested waverace 64,hangs but music plays,nice progress

[cerulean elk]

Kinda can’t ask it that way here 🙂

[cold pollen]

also do you need one? lol

[vagrant ivy]

Its a breach of the server rules. Hes asking about the Pifs

[nova grotto]

Oh sorry

[zinc dew]

It’s ok, no problem at all! Thank you for understanding.

[nova grotto]

Sorry didn't know I could not ask like that

[plush summit]

We gotta keep it Kosher 😛

[zenith orchid]

I'm looking forward to Killer Instinct Gold. I loved KI on SNES, but never had a chance to get into KI2

[vagrant ivy]

not really sure why people are so fascinated by playing black blob games. The core is a triumph of engineering but its nowhere near ready to test

[zenith orchid]

I also had it on gameboy and burnt through ah many batteries

[vagrant ivy]

You tube hype is counterproductive

[cold pollen]

I know it locks up on the final bowser battle in Super Mario 64 😦

[zinc dew]

I think a lot of people get excited by being on the bleeding edge of emulation technology

[languid dune]

Reminds of when I go on Nintendo forums, and people talk about KI, and I'm like hell yeah I love Killer Instinct! Only they're actually talking about Kid Icarus...

[zinc dew]

But it’s important to be diligent that the enthusiasm doesn’t get misconstrued into functionality as a lot of people who are unfamiliar with the process may get caught up in the hype and end up being way out of their depth

[zenith orchid]

kid icarus might be the most overrated NES game of all time

[vagrant ivy]

There is very little to be gained currently by loading up a game and seeing the blobs. I am sure Robert knows it doesnt work and any reports at this stage are counterproductive

[cerulean elk]

Same reason watching uncolored dailies is fun

[devout leaf]

Hot take, but I think Dunk Hunt. Not even the best Zapper game on launch.

[cerulean elk]

People are as interested in the process as they are the result

I say it in a lot of videos…”people like to see how the sausage gets made”

[zinc dew]

Excitement and community engagement I think is very much worth it. Seeing people’s posts brimming with enthusiasm and a channel filled with people cheering Robert on should never be discounted.

Does it provide material improvement or gain to the end user?

No but if that’s your metric of importance then maybe gaming shouldn’t be one of your hobbies.

[lament escarp]

It's usefull to spot potential regressions immediately.

[vagrant ivy]

I am sure Robert doesnt need encouragement. He loves the system and would do it without the cheerleading

[zinc dew]

I am glad you can speak for Robert.

[vagrant ivy]

You cant use it for regresssion as its not complete

[cerulean elk]

Ooh this seems like it’s gonna get spicy 🤣

[zinc dew]

@vagrant ivy how about you let Robert decide what he wants and doesn’t want and mind your own business

[vagrant ivy]

Oh well I for one see no advantage in the hype train. As I say its Technically brilliant but the hype is getting to near hysterical levels

[zinc dew]

This discussion has no importance

[vapid hawk]

he made the whole GBA core really before even joining the mister scene, he seems quite self motivated

[cerulean elk]

People are allowed to get excited for whatever they want. Black blobs included

[zinc dew]

As you say, there is very little to be gained from your pessimism

[vagrant ivy]

Its not pessimism in any way

I just fail to see how watching a black blob provides any useful information to the dev

[cerulean elk]

It’s not supposed to. It provides information for people interested in the progress being made

I’m pretty sure Robert knows black blobs are black

[vapid hawk]

personally i enjoy the insights into the development process and the original hardware itself that you get from watching the core come together piece by piece

[vagrant ivy]

No I didnt I said it provides no value

If people want to load it then they are quite welcome,

[vapid hawk]

the value isn't to the developer its to the person playing, if you don't find it fascinating just wait for the core to go final

[cerulean elk]

People like “the process”. Seeing iterative momentum building and what each new core build brings to the table (and in some instances what it breaks from previous revisions). I’d stand to wager a lot of MiSTer owners are as in it for the iterative changes as they are the final product

Some appreciate the technical details (how RSP and RDP function, how they are two sides of the same literal die, how the silicon functions and what parts produce what end result on screen)

[vagrant ivy]

Yes thats all in the Patreon

[zinc dew]

He isn’t insulting anyone he just has a different perspective than others

[molten silo]

you going to post a video on setup for this core? (if there's anything to do 😅)
didn't get it working at all. single 128 ram digital, game doesn't load.

i'm so curious to try it

[vagrant ivy]

Much better to support the Patreon , If you can fininacially

[cerulean elk]

It’s the gaming equivalent of a teaser trailer for a movie everyone wants to see that reveals zero actual content of said film

[zinc dew]

This is a wonderful point, thank you for bringing that up.

[cerulean elk]

I did this morning

[vagrant ivy]

You need the pif and the roms in Z64 format

[molten silo]

ah, fantastic. must have missed it.

[vagrant ivy]

thats all

[languid dune]

I for one love testing out stuff at this stage. It's just...fun. It's fascinating and exciting to see the progress. And to talk with each other about our results, even if they are minor at this stage!

[vagrant ivy]

Yes its fun to know its being worked on, but testing at this stage seems premature

[vapid hawk]

thats why we're not logging bugs or anything yet

its just for fun right now

[cerulean elk]

I think it’s best to let everyone decide how they want to effectively waste their time 😂

[vagrant ivy]

As long as it doesnt become Game X doesnt work when will game X work

[zinc dew]

I responded too strongly and wasn’t respectful of @vagrant ivy’s opinion. I apologize. I think it’s important that his perspective not be minimized in any way.

[cerulean elk]

Watching people get the first star in a highly corrupted version of Super Mario 64 was some of the most fun shit I’ve seen this year in gaming

[vapid hawk]

Rob will tell us when he thinks its helpful to test, what kinds of bugs he's looking for to help out etc later. (this was all discussed yesterday)

[vagrant ivy]

You would have to try much harder to pierce my Hide

[zinc dew]

I do not want to friend, you are extremely smart and kind.

His points are understandable. He is thinking about a potential scenario where others may perceive this core is further along due to the excitement.

[fair stump]

over the course of the day everyone was checking hundreds of games I didn't see a single person ask when a game would work

[cerulean elk]

Crash Bandicooot 3 when?

[vagrant ivy]

It will come, Its already happening in the Saturn Channel. Its a sad fact but its coming

[daring meteor]

I want to See this

[vapid hawk]

we should start a speedrun category for playing hacked m64 on pre-alpha n64 core 😄

[vagrant ivy]

The technical triumph should be applauded and as I said if you can financially, consider supporting the patreon, not that Robert is motivated by money

[devout leaf]

You'll always have those people. People are already asking for a 2x N64 core.

[lament escarp]

I didn't actually think of what is done right now as real testing. There is no system to report anything right now, it's just people trying out what works how much and haven a good time together. Personally, I'm trying to get the games to run because I'm rather new to mister and want to help testing when it becomes useful, so I want to familiarize myself with how to get the core to work right now, when my incompetence isn't hindering any real gain.

[devout leaf]

Just need to ignore them.

[vapid hawk]

@zinc dew re: pins, the patreon should be one of them

[cerulean elk]

That’s what I was saying yesterday. “Super Mario 64: corrupt %” fastest to get the first star

[vagrant ivy]

Thats an admirable trait. I just dont want the negativity of demanding Game X works or stating Game X worked better last build why have you broken it

[zinc dew]

Yeah? Is there a link in a post I can pin!

[vapid hawk]

Please consider joining Robs patreon, where you can read detailed posts about the cores development progress
https://www.patreon.com/FPGAzumSpass/posts

[vagrant ivy]

Its in #patreon-links

[zinc dew]

can you add some info like this is Robert’s Patreon please consider donating?

[vagrant ivy]

along with all the other people who also contribute

We msut not forget Sorg and I believe Zak is responsible for a great deal of CHD code

[vapid hawk]

yep

[vagrant ivy]

Do remember though only give if you can afford it. Dont skin yourself

[zinc dew]

Yes, that is a great reminder thank you. I can’t pin comments in other chats unfortunately.

[nova grotto]

What are black blobs ?

[vagrant ivy]

The current State of the core

[cerulean elk]

The karts in Mario kart. They are just black squares

[vapid hawk]

we do have a whole channel for patreon links, but i think it makes sense to have it in the pins here since i think a lot of new joiners are making a beeline for this channel right now

[vagrant ivy]

It displays alot of black blobs as the code is not complete

[zinc dew]

Yes, it was a wonderful idea

If you can do that for #1046941029296779344 I would very much appreciate it

Not to burden you

[mild ether]

Would appreciate Patreon alternatives.

[nova grotto]

oh yes they are but I guess robert will fix it pretty soon he's a genius

[cerulean elk]

I for one send Robert enough money a month for a cold beer or a hot sausage. His choice on what he buys

[languid dune]

Not just black squares. Wonderful, beautiful black squares!

[vapid hawk]

its not even really broken the hardware that should handle those sprites is just missing currently

[cerulean elk]

Tilt your cart the wrong way and you can replicate it on OG hardware

[vagrant ivy]

Load alot of SW emulators and you get the same

N64 emulation has been dismal

[plush summit]

That Jumbotron on Luigi Raceway lookin' mighty fine tho

[languid dune]

I remember getting some crazy results on my NES back in the day doing that. 😅

[hasty kayak]

The most glorious black squares I have ever seen 🙂 The most exciting black squares I have ever seen.

[vapid hawk]

is the jumbotron actually working already? thats kind of amazing

[plush summit]

Its working, but displaying the same corruption, close enough 😛

[nova grotto]

This mario Kart graphical glitches remembers me when the Mario 64 for Ps2 port was in being made those exact graphical issues appeared at that time

[silent marten]

it is, it even shows the black boxes as well 🙂

[vapid hawk]

did that ps2 port of mario64 ever get any good?

i know the xbox one got quite some polish eventually

[nova grotto]

The peach scene at the beginning is still broken but from what I know everthing else runs pretty smooth

[vapid hawk]

nice

[nova grotto]

The og xbox ver seems to be perfect with no glitches at all

[vapid hawk]

yeah i've played that fairly extensively, its kind of amazing

might be my favorite way to play it currently

[plush summit]

Huh, are the ports emulated or actually ported from source code?

[vapid hawk]

actually ported, since the decompile

there's been an explosion of them

[plush summit]

Nice

[vapid hawk]

yeah it adds like, proper twin stick controls etc

[nova grotto]

A perfect dark port has been release a days ago btw for Pc so maybe someone will eventually port that one to consoles

[nova grotto]

Ported

[vapid hawk]

for real? holy shit

did they decompile it?

[vagrant ivy]

https://kotaku.com/rare-nintendo-switch-perfect-dark-pc-fps-decompile-port-1849666056

[vapid hawk]

though tbh the xbox360 version is already pretty much everything you could ask for

[nova grotto]

Also a Crash Bandicoot 1 but that one is still pretty glitchy not polished and runs in linux

[vapid hawk]

maybe they'll do goldeneye next though

[nova grotto]

Yes

[vapid hawk]

the 360 version is classic rare pushing the hardware harder than anyone would expect, 1080p, 60fps AND 4xMSAA, all on xbox360

[languid dune]

Goldeneye is an eye tat is golden.

[vagrant ivy]

Legally though any decompile is risking the Wrath of the Big N's lawyers

[nova grotto]

speaking of crash , right know CTR is being ported to Pc as well (the game that introduce me to playstation)

[vapid hawk]

did nintendo go after the mario64 decompiles?

i think they're in the clear legally speaking its like cleanroom reverse engineering isnt it?

[vagrant ivy]

yes

[nova grotto]

A lot of ports/ reverse enginnering are being work in right know

[vagrant ivy]

They shut down a number of the recompile projects

[vapid hawk]

they didn't do a very good job: https://github.com/n64decomp/sm64

[nova grotto]

Is it ok if I share a Url with all the projects ?

[languid dune]

@zinc dew ?

[nova grotto]

Not wanna break any rule or something like that

[vapid hawk]

as long as it doesn't link directly to any copyright assets (roms) i think you're ok

[plush summit]

Really depends if its only a compilation of repos without any copyrighted materials

[vagrant ivy]

its a grey area

It could be argues the game code is copyrighted

[nova grotto]

It have links to the respectively github reverse enginnering projects

[vagrant ivy]

There used to be a decompile of the Original Elite. Frontier games shut it down

[vapid hawk]

only the original game code would be copyright, decompiled version isn't the same thing

its other code that just happens to have identical behavior

[plush summit]

Yeah, I think if we saw MIPS Assembly code its no bueno

[vagrant ivy]

You need to prove absolute clean room though

Look at Bleem VS Sony

[plush summit]

The ZRET team does that, they openly show their tools and methods

[vapid hawk]

depends where you are, it might be on nintendo to prove it isn't

[languid dune]

That brings back memories.

[vagrant ivy]

the big guy can afford the lawyers and shut you down due to your inability to stomach the costs of testing it in court

[vapid hawk]

sure but anyway this would all be a problem for github not this discord i think we're ok posting links to github?

[vagrant ivy]

It would probably not but thats just my opinion and I am not Admin

[plush summit]

The real console wars is Nintendo vs Github

[vagrant ivy]

Nintendo are certainly the most active in the law courts

[native mesa]

Nintendo Ninjas don't care about the law

[wanton sun]

several changes under the hood, but main change visible for you is that there is now way less stray pixels flying around

[cold pollen]

Huzzah! Nice to see 🙂

[wanton sun]

it seems games are less stable, but i'm not sure yet, could be related to the RDp being slower due to the unoptimized readback

[vagrant ivy]

Its an amazing triumph. Well done

Now when is Quest 6 4 working !!! And yes thats a joke !

[lament escarp]

Thanks a lot! Gute Arbeit!

[cerulean elk]

Fun stuff

[wanton sun]

really need to make drawing and rsp faster soon. it seems games hang more frequently when there is slowdown

[nova grotto]

Woah you're a god programmer man we all hail you 😮

[cerulean elk]

Probably deserve a drink and a break first. N64 isn’t going anywhere. Take your time!

[native mesa]

Or cheesecake

[cerulean elk]

Confession…I do not care for cheesecake haha

[wanton sun]

will have a busy work week, so don't expect much before weekend anyway

[nova grotto]

Btw why is it that for some folks some games doesn't work but for others it does , why that happens if we have supposedly the same mister ?

[wanton sun]

in the current state several games just hang random, so you can be lucky

[languid dune]

Seems fairly consistent for N64 actually based on yesterday's testing. Saturn on the other hand is much more organic right now.

[cerulean elk]

Saturn is a dice roll mixed with bingo and a coin flip added in at the end

Pure random. I kinda love that

[languid dune]

Accurate.

[plush summit]

Saturn's been fairly consistent for me, just random hangs

[nova grotto]

For example , in my case super mario 64 hangs up after the "it's a me mario"

[languid dune]

Yeah, it's usually pretty consistent for each individual, but between users/MiSTers is where the inconsistency lies.

[languid dune]

You need to use the patch that skips the Mario face screen.

It's in the pins.

[mild ether]

Ok, I will dig out my N64 controller and start testing the Aleck 64 games since I talked so much trash about it.

[nova grotto]

How do I make that 😅 ?

[mild ether]

Try the arcade pif rom too.

[languid dune]

You just need a patching program. I'm on Mac and use "MultiPatch". Has always worked for me.

[vapid hawk]

if you google ips patcher there's like websites that'll just do it in a browser for you and stuff

[nova grotto]

RE2 is booting guys but freezing at a cinematic

[vapid hawk]

millions of options

[nova grotto]

I couln't find those files actually what exactly are pifs files ?

[languid dune]

I believe they're similar to a bios for the N64?

[mild ether]

pif is the bios

[languid dune]

Basically you need it to run the core.

[cerulean elk]

Here

https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php

Load your Mario files and the IPS patch in pins and it’ll generate a new file with the patch applied. Throw that into your N64 folder. Good to go

[mild ether]

I don't know what all the difference is in the pif files but apparently you can put NTSC rom chips in Aleck 64 cartridges and they will load on the arcade pif.

I will test it out on the core just to see what happens.

[nova grotto]

Thanks Man !

[cerulean elk]

Any time

[zenith orchid]

Excellent. stability is a good direction to go in, since we can already get in-game on a few different games 👍

Some have gotten pretty far into SM64 even without the texture modes and z-buffer, but eventually there's a hang

And from what I understand they are intermittent hangs

[lament escarp]

Isn't mk64 supposed to freeze when finishing the first race? I just made it to the second 😋

[devout leaf]

What format is best? Big or little?

[lament escarp]

Only big is supported right now afaik

[worn delta]

Go for the htgdb Everdrive pack, you can find it on a certain archive site

[devout leaf]

I got it, after I asked my brain started working lol

[silent marten]

Oooohhhh signs of life in Buck Bumble

[blissful plaza]

Crashed after finishing my first cup on MK64 (1st place).
So, it's possible to do the 4 circuits of the first cup.
That was quite something.

[silent marten]

Doesn't quite make it to the main menu yet

But we do get some screens 🙂

[worn delta]

MK64 crashed for me after I crashed into some of the other black boxes at the start of the race. The parts of the game that aren't black boxes are looking really nice nose though 😉

[vapid hawk]

this is why they don't make the entire aeroplane out of black box casing

[versed cairn]

worm

freezes after that but still cool to see

[hollow rune]

@wanton sun I showed my mom the Mario 64 opening from the other day. I am now not allowed to show her anything where Mario has no face cause it was apparently too off putting. She did think the castle in that glitchy form looked better though. Here is my hype picture!!

[worn delta]

Completed first course, is great at this stage the music and audio is so good. Seemed flawless in play, just a few glictches and clicks in the replay at the end of the race

Anyone tried to do 2 player black-box-racing yet?

[silent marten]

I got that Quest game to make a single sound

[silent marten]

It will boot to a black screen and then just keep mashing A and start and it will make a sound and that is all you will get for now

But progress is progress 🙂

[cerulean elk]

It’s like the core is one big creepy pasta

[lament escarp]

This is the jank I was looking forward to.

[silent marten]

Bomberman Hero plays audio and shows minimal stuff

This is getting very real very fast

I just need Buck Bumble to go a little bit further and I get to hear the soundtrack on MiSTer

[hollow rune]

Does the main processor do all the audio? Is that why it is working so well already?

[silent marten]

I think there are parts in RSP, RDP and CPU that do audio

Fighting Force 64 plays audio and displays the health bar

[orchid nimbus]

you're fired!!

[worn delta]

Load up Lego Racers, it sounds like an Aphex Twin outtake

[vagrant ivy]

Its the only game worht playing and you know it.

[silent marten]

Lol, Ocarina of Time is the N64 Killer App, when that game works I will be happy 🙂

[vagrant ivy]

You are wrong. Join the Church of Quest

[silent marten]

When the core is finished and everything is playing perfectly, I must admit you all got me curious about this game

[blissful plaza]

Extreme-G & Dr. Mario 64 go in-game now, without almost any GFX.

[silent marten]

That is insane

[blissful plaza]

It wasn't possible yesterday.

[silent marten]

Mario Party now gets to some birds tweeting

[vagrant ivy]

no they are X ing Elon Says so

[silent marten]

Lol

[plush summit]

OOT is Fallout 3, MM is New Vegas 😎

[silent marten]

I would never compare a Zelda game to a Fallout game lol

Zelda is much better 😉

[plush summit]

tbh, Zelda is in a weird spot

I feel that after Wind Waker, they kinda lost their way with the series

[topaz otter]

This is because yard sale consoles now cost as much as modern ones

[silent marten]

I didn't really like Wind Waker tbh

[plush summit]

Yeah, its a mixed bag of a series

Its pretty hard for people to agree on games and their ranking

[topaz otter]

Prepare to re learn what kids on christmas morning in 1998 already know

[hearty oar]

Skyward Sword is where they lost me a bit, wind waker though would rank among my favourites

[silent marten]

I mean, story wise the game is not bad, I just don't like cell shaded Zelda

I like my Zelda games dark and gritty

[plush summit]

I feel that OOT set the bar so high, capturing that magic isn't easy

[silent marten]

You are not wrong

[plush summit]

It was the right amount of everything

[topaz otter]

Its pretty much the perfect game

[mild ether]

Lost my MiSTer somewhere when I moved. Guess no testing anything until I dig through all these boxes.

[fallen sparrow]

Oh wow another update

[opal quiver]

Yes a good one

[silent marten]

If I move house, the MiSTer is the first thing I will unpack next to my TV

[fallen sparrow]

Get digging

[quick arch]

Dr Mario 64

[opal quiver]

Choice the red capsule Neo lol

[topaz otter]

Breakout, wheres the ball

[mild ether]

I am digging and it's driving me nuts.

[fallen sparrow]

Any additional games working that we know of?

[silent marten]

Define working

More games are booting for sure

But it is either splash screens or just audio

[fallen sparrow]

Working as well as MK64 and Starfox

[quick arch]

Dobutsu no mori also start play sound

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks

[plush summit]

I won't ever call a game perfect, but man, it flows so well that I really haven't felt a Zelda game give me that exact same feeling. Mario Odyssey felt like it was a true sequel to SM64 than anything else.

[silent marten]

Btw Pixel incase you didn't work it out, I was the person that mentioned about mashing Start for MK64 on your video

[hearty oar]

How do people here feel about Majora’s Mask? Took me a few tries to warm up to it given how different the structure is , and I found it stressful to play as a kid

But the atmosphere sucked me in after a while

[plush summit]

I think MM now is the best Zelda ever made

[silent marten]

I like Majora's Mask, it is defo stressful though

[chilly ember]

It's great, just need to be able to speed run

[vapid hawk]

its fine if you know the songs to slow time

[chilly ember]

That also helps alot

[vapid hawk]

which iirc you can just use without finding them in the game

[chilly ember]

Backwards song of time

[vapid hawk]

yeah

[topaz otter]

I shoot the rupees out of that thieving bird in that game

And get rich

Start the day cycle over and do it again

[plush summit]

I think OOT is the best game if you're talking about respecting the formula, but MM takes it a step further if you want a game pushed to its limit

[orchid nimbus]

"This Is Pepe - All System Go"

[hearty oar]

He said, moments before being shot out of the sky

[silent marten]

Mortal Kombat 4 is "playable"

[hexed tide]

@whiteysnakey

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/the-legend-of-zelda-majoras-mask-zelda-dance-creepy-dance-gif-18562338

[silent marten]

If you like shadow boxing your opponent anyway xD

Hangs after you finish a fight though

[quick arch]

The second track is accessible but hang just before the start

[silent marten]

Someone says song of time in chat and now that is all I can hear in my head lol

[orchid nimbus]

Mario kart now crashes on start of the race

which is fine with me

[past mango]

Oh baby this channel got much more interesting.

[silent marten]

I did like a whole race and then a lap of the 2nd race

[modern sleet]

Yeah, This game is impossible

[orchid nimbus]

take the blue pill

[silent marten]

Don't take that blue pill......

[orchid nimbus]

the red pill is more fun

[remote hatch]

RR64 😆

[silent marten]

Oooooo

That looks pretty good

[atomic stratus]

man these black squares and blobs have me all excited

[silent marten]

Awww I couldn't get In game on RR64:(

[atomic stratus]

absolutely amazing progress so far

[silent marten]

Yeah, next weekend is gonna be crazy

[blissful plaza]

Mega Man 64 goes in-game.

[silent marten]

Nice nice 🙂

[atomic stratus]

is Namco Museum still mostly working?

[silent marten]

I should think so

[atomic stratus]

maybe I should join the ‘testing’ fun then. I owned Namco Museum back in the day…fun memories playing it with my Dad and sister

[blissful plaza]

Same as before for Namco Museum.

[atomic stratus]

oh except I forgot I’m away from my MiSTer for at least two weeks

[silent marten]

Nooooooo, I hate being away from my MiSTer

[blissful plaza]

I will do the same, time for some vacation until the end of the month.
No MiSter allowed, my wife said so.

[cerulean elk]

They are so small. Pack them!

[atomic stratus]

Yeah, it’s my own fault….I opted to only bring some handhelds with me while I’m gone

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks Fuzz

[vagrant ivy]

Its ok give me you address I will break in and use yuor mister for you

[fallen sparrow]

Okay guys, gonna test the new core in a Live Stream Shortly.

Come and join in

https://www.youtube.com/live/QcK9b38ECYs?feature=share

[chrome quest]

1 CRT, 1 MiSTer, 1 Dual Raphnet adapter, .... 4 player Mario Kart?....

[worn delta]

Wow, so 4 players is already supported?!

[cerulean elk]

Lolol madness. I love it

[chrome quest]

Player assignment only working for one player. MK64 only let me pick between 1 player or 4. So not proper support yet. Can see why it is not a priority yet for Robert to be clear

Player 1 controls all 4 simultaneously 🤣

[inner garden]

When I try to mention “K W E S T Six Tee Four” it says the content is blocked by this server.

[cerulean elk]

Anyone know of any diff between US and JPN NSO N64 controllers? Gonna find one today. Haven’t heard anything but assuming they are functionally identical

[quick arch]

Tsumi to Batsu - Hoshi no Keishousha

[fierce shuttle]

evening, asteroids hyper 64 is playable.. for a few seconds before it crashes. you have to button mash a but to get in-game

[sly wasp]

Incredible work so far..hearing that audio so nicely implemented takes me right back to my childhood! also input and games actually loading past intro screens 😮 Thanks so much Robert for all the awesome progress! 🙏🏾 Pure genius coding

[chrome quest]

Pokémon Puzzle League gives an exciting few seconds of the opening anime riff before crashing. Very cool to see

[hollow rune]

Why does button mashing help?

[silent marten]

Because things are not rendering or certain calls are not implemented to actually progress on its own so button mashing can skip past them and select options on an invisible menu 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

I knew mashing would get me far in life, now we have proof

Getting a few Japanese games together for the stream. Thanks to @cerulean elk

Also thanks to @fuzz for introducing mashing to the masses.

[silent marten]

Hahaha 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

@fuzz what's your YouTube name?

[silent marten]

Fuzzy Bane

[fallen sparrow]

Cool

I'm shit with names lol

Fuzzy will stick

[silent marten]

Same as my Twitch but without the space

[fallen sparrow]

Glad it's similar

Sweet

[silent marten]

Google required a first and second name so I had to have a space on YouTube

But yeah Fuzz or Fuzzy is fine 🙂

[fallen sparrow]

Makes sense

Getting ready

[languid dune]

I got it to play music!

[silent marten]

Without the savestate??

[languid dune]

Yeah, with yesterday's build, I got it to play music twice. Haven't tried today's build yet.

[silent marten]

Nice nice

[languid dune]

They should be the same since the controller was identical between the regions for N64. Plus the Switch is also identical across regions.

[covert bough]

This mad dash of jenk is what I missed out on during the psx core development so glad I can see it happening in real time for this one

[silent marten]

You missed a wild ride with the PSX core

[chrome quest]

I got music, and what sounded like a text scroll. I felt unsure about mentioning this earlier as I feared I would sully the holy century

[languid dune]

It is not possible to sully our dear lord.

[orchid nimbus]

Soon indeed 🙂

[vapid hawk]

i expect everyone in here who's ever posted that meme to be completing that game

i'll be checking

[remote hatch]

I believe that soon the great day will come

A day where everyone will be able to play Quest 6 4

[cerulean elk]

👍

[remote hatch]

And now I'm not kidding, I want to complete this game

[covert bough]

It will be interesting to compare to other 3D rpgs of the era, yakno like ffvii

But yeah I got into the mister scene like last summer when the dust was just settling on psx

[remote hatch]

Panda knows what's good

[mild ether]

I FOUND MY MiSTer!!!!!

Vivid Dolls here we come!

[fair stump]

Madden Football 64 lets you navigate broken menus now

[hearty python]

What is new in the newer core? More render functions?

[fair stump]

The github has changes listed. I don't know what any of them mean though

I am impressed more menus are able to get through in different games

[chrome quest]

Well, beat Mario 64. 120 stars, 100%. Look, I'm on the roof. How else could I get up there

[chilly ember]

Where yoshi

[hearty python]

Ok,thx. Perhaps Robert explain it here too. @fair stump

[marble cargo]

The perspective makes it look like Mario is gigantic.

[chrome quest]

He didn't spawn for some reason. It's a mystery...

[chilly ember]

Ahh must not be rendering :p

[chrome quest]

Took a few resets 🤣
I guess these rendering issues are something emulators can deliberately play with, because you can see some neat stuff.
Like a Latiku behind the door ready to spawn in for the cutscene

[languid dune]

Nice, I was able to get to the asteroid belt boss in Star Fox 64.

Almost beat him too, but finally took a hit that I couldn't see coming and died. Didn't feel like doing the entire stage over again since I missed the checkpoint.

[cerulean elk]

I love all the achievements on the current core lol

[languid dune]

Good times.

[languid dune]

Doesn't work yet sadly.

[fair stump]

All Star Tennis 99 is playable 😂

Animates and the game seems to be playing tennis

[vapid hawk]

apparently you can get further if you spam start to skip that fmv

but it'll hang before going ingame

[quick arch]

I will test 🙂

[worn delta]

Am away from MiSTer for the night, think tomorrow will begin testing and logging a proper on the sheet.

Making a special note of these ones, if anyone is testing this evening, the PAL exclusives:

There are only 4 PAL exclusive games and 3 PAL & Japan only..

F-1 World Grand Prix II
F1 Racing Championship
Premier Manager 64
Taz Express

AirBoarder 64
Centre Court Tennis
Rakuga Kids

Last 3 and PAL and Japan but no US

[hearty oar]

Does HSV Adventure Racing count as a PAL exclusive game, or are we classing it the same as Beetle Adventure Racing?

[chrome quest]

eikou no saint andrews (Japan)

Loaded randomly, and maybe not on the above list, but can't see a non Japanese version.

[worn delta]

Maybe the list I have isn't comprehensive, I don't know the ins and outs of HSV racing

There are a load of Japanese only exclusives, I haven't dug into that much at all but there are loads that didn't get released outside of Japan

[hearty oar]

Afaik HSV Racing was the exact same as Beetle Racing, they just replaced all the Beetles with Holdens and released it only in Australia

I only know about it because I own it, haha

[worn delta]

Interesting, I didn't know about that

[old vortex]

No way! I’m from Australia and have played that game but I still know it as Beetle Adventure Racing. Haha. Maybe I played it on an emulator years later though.

[mild ether]

Tower & Shaft loads to menu music with NTSC PIF.

Aleck 64

Loads into first level and freezes with missing graphics but audio.

Eleven Beat freezes like Vivid Dolls on this.

I get life out of Donchan Puzzle but audio skips and garbled graphics.

[hearty oar]

definitely give the Holden version a try at some point, I didn't realise it at the time but it's kind of amazing that it exists at all

[mild ether]

So this is really cool that these will eventually work and we can have these games running in a cabinet with MiSTer.

[brisk drum]

Im gonna wait until the next drop to test

[mild ether]

The Aleck 64 PIF works fine on NTSC N64 games.

Wasn't sure if the analog stick would work or not with it because the arcade board doesn't use it.

[zinc dew]

One step closer to achieving your dream, eh @mild ether

[mild ether]

Soon.

[worn delta]

Is there a bespoke Aleck64 pif?

[mild ether]

I don't know about bespoke but there is a PIF for it out there.

[elfin relic]

I found it, and it's got a different md5sum from the ntsc pif at least

[mild ether]

It seems to work fine.

[weary palm]

Does Mirror House Cornflakes work now? 😂

[fallen sparrow]

Fun Stream, thanks everyone that stopped by.

[worn delta]

Any hints on where to find it?

[mild ether]

Aleck 64 PIF mame are the magic words.

Not quite sure how it differs from the NTSC PIF. Maybe just doesn't check for memory expansion because Aleck 64 already has it built in?

Uh, do PAL roms work with the NTSC PIF?

[worn delta]

Well I am sure I saw a message the other day saying a PAL game wouldn't boot because it was for a different region, when using NTSC pif

But I can't find which game that was again, and I tested a load today and had no such issues

[mild ether]

Hmm. It seems to load the same for me.

[worn delta]

If anyone comes across any PAL games that don't load with the NTSC boot.rom then please let us know

[mild ether]

I thought maybe the it was something only the Aleck 64 PIF did but doesn't seem to matter. For whatever reason the only version of Mario Kart that actually loads past the spinning Nintendo logo is the lodgenet version regardless of PIF.

[worn delta]

-as in you get a wrong region message

You just spam start to get into play In mario kart

[mild ether]

Lodgenet version goes to menu without spamming anything.

[worn delta]

Ah, interesting

[mild ether]

There I made myself useful for something. 😄

[fair stump]

Nba live 99 got a game going before freezing soon after. Had commentary and more shadowy animations 😄

Look at those reflections on the floor

[chilly ember]

I can't wait to fly through rings in Superman 64

[modern sleet]

Good luck without the zbuffer 🙃

[chilly ember]

What's the fun in that?

[quaint rune]

By the time z buffer is added. You’ll be a pro and do it blind anyways

[mild ether]

Eprom erasing program for lodgenet works.

[old vortex]

N64 was a console where you could just remove the tabs in the cartridge slot and then it would play games from other regions, yeah? So it would make sense that one PIF would play games from all regions. But maybe there are some games that are really picky about it.

[ocean lily]

PAL games use a different PIF ROM

[mild ether]

Part of the function of the PIF is region locking but the US/Japanese NTSC PIF are the same so the carts should work if they fit in the console.

Maybe Robert didn't implement the function to halt the CPU in the core

[cerulean elk]

Yeah or just switch backs out on the carts is fine too

[mild ether]

Didn't test PAL PIF though only the NTSC and arcade and they seem to work fine with all the roms I threw at it.

[worn delta]

This only worked for Japan and US consoles, which were essentially the same hardware. It does not work for playing PAL carts on NTSC consoles and NTSC on PAL console. I know this from experience as I have like 6 N64s of different regions. There is some recent fancy mod you can do to make your console play everything though, but I don't know what it all does to achieve this.

[covert bough]

Doesn't ever drive play multiple regions

[mild ether]

IQUE version works.

[cerulean elk]

That’s a fun bonus

[deft tree]

Yes

[hearty oar]

ok yeah, I tested the NSO N64 controller on my PC and yep, the reason it's a nightmare to try and map is because of the stick, it has absolutely no deadzone and is ever so slightly loose in the neutral position

so if you shake it at all while pressing a button during control mapping you get a stick input instead

tempted to just hardcode a deadzone into the driver...

[zenith orchid]

Man, I still can't believe how close we are to a fully playable SM/MK/SF-64