Nintendo 64

[sullen harbor]

Ps1, dreamcast, gamecube, ps2, xbox og

[zinc dew]

PS1 my favorite

Went from loving Dreamcast to hating it

[sullen harbor]

I cant hate dreamcast because it gave us d2 and code veronica

[stoic parcel]

Dreamcast and NGPC, the amazing console and handheld combo for me. Peak fighting game interest for me at the time, late 90s and early 00s. Bought domestic and imported for both. Good times.

[cerulean elk]

Hey a D2 fan!

Most underrated game of all time

[sullen harbor]

Yep

[cerulean elk]

I’ve got some rare promotional art from it in my collection. Plus the only known files from the M2 build

Well…file…singular lol

[sullen harbor]

One of the few games set in Canada too

[cerulean elk]

M2 D2 had big N64 vibes if you’ve never seen it

$3500 Bounty If You Find These 3DO M2 Games! D2, Trouble Decker, Power Stone and More! SERIOUSLY!
https://youtu.be/hulM1vD5Gk0

[sullen harbor]

I've seen a few shots floating around

[zinc dew]

I found them!

they’re in the video

where money

[cerulean elk]

Footage direct from VHS transfer that was recorded by the hardware engineers at 3DO back in the day

[cerulean elk]

Lol offer still stands if anyone finds me the files. Honestly we’d as a group probably pay more if D2 was found

It’s my great business plan…spend a lotta $$$ to give shit away. So far unprofitable 🤣

[sullen harbor]

it's kinda disappointing how survival horror has kind of withered the last decade

There are some great indie stuff
Tormented souls
Song of horror
Them and us
Signalis

But anything from major studios is just a remake nowadays

Like dreamcast basically had an all star lineup of great capcom ports and d2, cv, illbleed, blue stinger and the like
Ps2 was great, xbox had the definitive versions of silent hill 2 and 4, fatal frame and onimusha, along with the suffering, gamecube had eternal darkness, excellent re2, 3, cv ports, the best version of re4 etc etc
By the time you moved to ps3 and 360, they were mostly just action games

[hollow pebble]

🤭

[zinc dew]

N64 better than GameCube!

[remote hatch]

PSX better than N64!

[stoic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-dumber-gif-13502438

[stoic parcel]

A Gamecube is just heavy enough to be a semi decent doorstop.

I guess that makes it one notch above a 48k ZX Spectrum?

[remote hatch]

The most important thing is always games and fun anyway. Every console offers something cool

[sullen harbor]

I love the n64 but it just doesnt have a very large library

[zinc dew]

except maybe R-Zone

[stoic parcel]

😏

[zinc dew]

Yeah, especially when the comparison point is the PS1, but this is a pretty sizeable list of cool games to play imo - #1096015979055697940 message

[stoic parcel]

I manually patched every .z64 I had to remove AA. Even though the core will eventually have options to turn it all off in the OSD anyway probably.

Come at me.

[sullen harbor]

Oh I'm not saying it's a bad list. What you do.get tends to be highly concentrated in good end, but I'm just saying I kinda ran through what I wanted to play the library pretty quickly last time I went through it

[remote hatch]

This console also brought something good, you appreciated all the other consoles that seemed bad 😋

[sullen harbor]

Like we all know the first party games but really who has played the aydin chronicles or hybrid heaven more than once

[zinc dew]

….. me lol

[sullen harbor]

What's really important however is getting a microphone working in ares and later the core so we can play the greatest n64 game of all.
Hey you pikachu

[vapid hawk]

https://youtu.be/si8lXj90Cdk

[stoic parcel]

I'm sorry that you're wrong.

Would you like a participation trophy achievement?

Here you go, cupcake.

[zinc dew]

Make love not war

[hollow pebble]

Did you take this?

[zinc dew]

I did yeah lol

[stoic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/innocent-cartoon-halo-angel-good-gif-16396173

[zinc dew]

❤️

[maiden wyvern]

Wtf lol

Robby

[zinc dew]

🎵 When the quest hits your eyes like 64 pizza pies, that's amore 🎵

[sullen harbor]

weird I can say Superman 64 and not q u e s t 6 4

I'm guessing the memes got so heavy I guess they had to put a block on it

all I was gonna say it's weird that Holy Magic Century became the meme game and not superman 64

[zinc dew]

yeah that was my fault lol

superman64 is just bad, like it’s tough to get enjoyment

I tried

[sullen harbor]

There should be romhack that restores HMC's original title cards on US roms

[zinc dew]

Quest 64 had a glimmer of quality to it. It’s not really that bad and you can see what they were going for.

Also at the time it was hyped up.

it’s perfect meme material because of that

[sullen harbor]

I think for me, S64 was just the brunt of the joke online for longer

[zinc dew]

Yeah, it’s a known quantity

[sullen harbor]

Most communities I ran with just forgot Holy Magic Century

[zinc dew]

You can’t fool someone into thinking it’s good

[oblique remnant]

there was a time where people hyped this game outside of this chat?

[sullen harbor]

yeah N64 was bereft of JRPGs

[zinc dew]

But Quest64 is largely forgotten and it’s an RPG, so there’s immediate interest

[zinc dew]

https://twitter.com/quest64official/status/1684992014742384640

Quest 64 Official (@Quest64Official)

https://t.co/1o8yJmYtnZ

Twitter · Jul 28, 2023, 6:19 PM

glowing preview

[oblique remnant]

I actually played Superman 64 in a Store in early '99 but I wasnt hyped obv. 😄

[sullen harbor]

really the reason the genres abandoned the N64 was purely space reasons.
Scripts were balloning and prerendered FMVs were in

[zinc dew]

It’s why the meme is strong with Quest 64:

• largely forgotten
• game from a popular genre the platform was lacking
• some good ideas in there
• looks competent
• can understand someone unironically enjoying the game

and then you play it lol

[green comet]

bought it for cheap the other day

[sullen harbor]

which is what makes Resident Evil 2's N64 port a literal miracle

[zinc dew]

It’s extremely good, better than PS1

[sullen harbor]

ehhhh I get it

for a pure like... loading and screen hopping

yeah

but... the best ports were actually Gamecube if you could believe it

[zinc dew]

Better controls too!

Oh wait no battle game

[sullen harbor]

Battle game?

[zinc dew]

Hmmm I might be very wrong lol

[zinc dew]

https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Extreme_Battle

Yeah I called it the wrong name, it’s Extreme Battle

[sullen harbor]

yeah that was in the PS1 dualshock release

and it was not in n64

[zinc dew]

N64 doesn’t have it, it does have randomized item placement which I guess is neat?

[sullen harbor]

yeah

[zinc dew]

You’re right about GameCube version, didn’t mean to ignore your comment

[sullen harbor]

See the technically the best version (excluding the HD mod for gamecube that upscales background) is gamecube
The easiest to play version?
Dreamcast surprisingly

2/3/Dinocrisis/Veronica all had Health ammo and tracking with the VMU

[zinc dew]

yeah that was really cool

[sullen harbor]

In some ways I kinda wish secondary displays would come back

...

or at least give me a way to upscale the VMU on flycast

[zinc dew]

Ok, not trolling. Why would you want to upscale the VMU? It’s like 12x12 pixels.

[green comet]

because 12x12 is tiny on 1080p?

[zinc dew]

Ohhhhh lol. I conflated upres and upscale.

Man really? They keep it same resolution, that is silly!

[inner bronze]

I watched a 3 hour speedrun of Brian 64

Twas fun

[languid dune]

Here is my amazing upscaling technology of the Dreamcast VMU. Perfection incarnate!

[inner bronze]

Such soft corners

[cold pollen]

Looks hand drawn

[inner bronze]

Slander

This is AI

[cold pollen]

Hand drawn shader when

[languid dune]

https://tenor.com/view/charmin-toilet-paper-gif-12855072

[worn delta]

You omitted that you play as a protagonist with that most thrilling of fantasy names: Brian

[stoic parcel]

Are you abusing your moderator privileges to get around the word filter?

[woeful grove]

It's actually Robby being taught a moralistic lesson in the responsibilities of power, a la Bruce Almighty.

[blissful plaza]

The Life of Brian 64 ?

[stoic parcel]

Have you banned the term "Virtual Hydlide" yet?

[woeful grove]

what is that? a drug?

[stoic parcel]

The other annoying meme, in the Saturn channel

[woeful grove]

oh I dont read that channel

[remote hatch]

Virtual Hydlide is a serious matter, no one would dare to give a ban for it

[stoic parcel]

Give me privs for 5 minutes, I would certainly dare.

[cold pollen]

oh shit the admins don't read Saturn

we know what to do

[remote hatch]

people love this game

[woeful grove]

SEGA stuff

[stoic parcel]

"love"

[zinc dew]

lmao, I have come to realize that I have no effective choice when it comes to this Discord lol

[stoic parcel]

Suffer well.

[mild ether]

Had a SMS as a kid in the US and feel like other kids missed out on a lot of great games back then.

[stoic parcel]

😇

[zinc dew]

Can’t wait to use this controller with the N64 core

[remote hatch]

better than original

everything is better 🤣

[stoic parcel]

I cant wait to use this one
||For all those 2d games||

[zinc dew]

N64 is a better 2D controller than Saturn

Better d-pad, 6 buttons, two triggers

[elfin depot]

You'll need this one for playing Kwest SixtyFour

[wanton sun]

great placement of the analog stick

[cerulean elk]

Hydlide IS SATURN

[remote hatch]

TRUE!!!

[stoic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-spray-drinking-spit-out-laugh-gif-16931364

[zinc dew]

I bet you my n64 could beat up your Saturn

[stoic parcel]

Unless it needed adequate storage space

[zinc dew]

lololol

[sullen harbor]

Yeah flyinghead is a really cool dev and that is the only issue I have with it (well aside from wanting to add my own disk art to the menu

[languid dune]

I prefer to play it loud.

[fallen sparrow]

Just dropping in to say hi

Love the progress being made in the core

It's been a good year for us MiSTer gamers this year.

Anyway, I hope you're all well and have a good Sunday

[zinc dew]

@fallen sparrow when the core releases will you update your intro with Reinhardt from Castlevania 64 whipping your logo?

[fallen sparrow]

I'm late to the party, but thanks for watching our stuff.

[fallen sparrow]

Haha, maybe, I'm just lazy, I'd like to sit down and do a few to cycle through, Ill get around ymto it one day lol.

[zinc dew]

I thought it would be a funny Easter egg lol

You make good videos dude. Thank you.

[fallen sparrow]

Definitely

An Easter egg intro would be awesome

I guess it's down to the time I have

Work, family, and YouTube it's a task to balance

[fallen sparrow]

Thank you

[whole zinc]

Oh nice, have you taken it apart? Wonder if the gears are the same as the original controllers.

[lament escarp]

No I didn't. The stick comes fully assembled and I'm to afraid to break it^^ but I'd be surprised, the hall sensor is probably just tracking a magnet on the stick and is sending that information out. No gears required.

[whole zinc]

Oh right it’s completely different then?

[lament escarp]

The stick itself is gamecube style, the technology behind it is also completley different

I made a group photo of my modded controllers, there you can see the different stick

[whole zinc]

Nice!

[lament escarp]

I also did the shooting game in zelda oot today with it, which I always struggle with with non64 controllers. It was okay. But I'm also out of practice.

[whole zinc]

I’ve gone with metal bowl and stick and waiting on the 8bitdo board and rumble pack.

[lament escarp]

The rumble pack is tricky to get going on pc. Only managed by either using better joy as a wrapper or in simple 64.

Both in switch mode.

[whole zinc]

Hopefully it works with the core, if not will use the original rumble pack

[lament escarp]

Nice stick! Be sure to share the test results!

[whole zinc]

Yah will do!

[lament escarp]

The 8bitdo mod is incompatible with oem n64 addons for the controller since it has a different connector. Im sure it will be supported though, as the switch mode is the same as the nso n64 controller, the switch even recognizes it as such. And I'd wager those two will be the most used n64 core controllers next to a snac adapter.

[whole zinc]

Oh absolutely

[lament escarp]

Oh, and the zr button on the 8bitdo rumble pack is mappable in mister, so there's your menu button.

[whole zinc]

Haha nice

[remote imp]

Nice! Where did you get the metal bowl from?

[whole zinc]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225538121147

Restocks them very frequently

[remote imp]

oh interesting! didn't know this existed

thanks

[whole zinc]

https://oudini-shop.com for sticks restocks them every few months, best checking out the guys Twitter for restocks

💰 though.

[remote imp]

Noted!

[gaunt star]

For Doom64 it might be

[zinc dew]

Found some nice lullaby jams while we wait for news on core progress: https://youtu.be/n8hsxyfADkQ

[native mesa]

The rain effect is dumb imo. Riuns the music

[woeful grove]

think of it as vasaline-like antialiasing for your ears

[native mesa]

Lol

Need derain mod

[hearty oar]

Accurate, this is truly the FXAA of audio

[zinc dew]

https://youtu.be/C9lJV36k38o

Excited to hear more music from this core. N64 had a very nice midi soundscape.

[worn delta]

Are there music "juke box" collections for N64 like other systems?

[static trout]

Some of the popular N64 randomizers have music packs available where they take other video game music and rearrange it using the target game's soundfont, which are then made available in music shuffle mode

I realize that's literally the exact opposite of what you asked for, but I thought it was interesting anyway

[mild ether]

Like this?

https://youtu.be/H6IYk8txVZ0

[worn delta]

Hah, not heard that Ministry album in years, I know what I will be digging out this afternoon

Are there files for things like this that can be played on an actual N64?

[mild ether]

Oh, not sure about that one.

Lay lady lay sounds really good in Mario 64 sound font too.

https://youtu.be/prRxJX5RXSo

[ocean lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEhlMyvertM&list=PLE0926B068F92F536

[vagrant ivy]

https://i.imgur.com/13vG8IH.png

[sharp beacon]

Turn off your computer and go to play "that" game

[neat sierra]

For the last time I’m not playing “3D Sex Villa” supersonic

[pure ocean]

You wouldn't know a good story if you paid $120 for it either. 😄

(or something like that. Translated out of my mind from German language)

[topaz otter]

Never pay more than 20 dollars for a used n64 game

[mellow raft]

Good luck with Conker lol

[worn delta]

I think these days if you started collecting and had a hard limit of $20 you might find that unironically Brian 64 is the best game in your collection

[topaz otter]

I'd let you rent to play my collection for a dollar a day

that comes out to 7 dollars a week, you can't beat this price trust me

[zinc dew]

Looking at my own collection, my top 5 under $20** * **are:

1) Perfect Dark
2) Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
3) Rayman 2
4) Wave Race 64
5) 1080 Snowboarding

***** loose prices according to pricecharting.com

[cerulean elk]

I’m surprised PD has stayed under $20

[quick arch]

no Quest 😢

[native mesa]

All N64 games should be under 20

Video game resale is such a racket

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’s $21 lol

[native mesa]

Especially since N64 carts were more or less just ROM chips and maybe SRAM. No specialty chips

[hearty python]

Everdrive or soon mister and the problems are solved.

[maiden wyvern]

Where are the chips in this 😤

[native mesa]

For sure. But people still collect

[woeful grove]

sucks for them

[native mesa]

https://youtu.be/OTDNECHVtoQ

[hearty python]

True but if you collect them with the boxes you need also a way to play them 😁

@native mesa

[native mesa]

I mean if people are willing to pay arbitrarily inflated prices for 25 year old software on antiquated storage mediums I guess that's their prerogative

How long before an N64 collection appears on antiques road show

[sullen harbor]

there's also a reproduction rom cart flashing device that you can acquire pretty cheap and flashable sing game carts

So you can make your own reproduction games

[zinc dew]

I know I’m in the extreme minority here but it sucks for people like me who just want to play these games and doesn’t give a shit about resell.

Which is why I love MiSTer so much.

[sullen harbor]

Big mood

I had to sell my PS1 copy of Silent Hill years ago for extra cash

[native mesa]

I'd hope you are in the majority

[sullen harbor]

now I can't find it for under 130 bucks CAD

Sometimes I think about doing a project where I set up that RFID/NFC reader system to auto load games and find cd shaped and disks and cart shells and just make fake "carts" for mister

ooh or a fake hue card slot

[native mesa]

I think someone had a project like that

[sullen harbor]

yeah I've seen it around

But setting it up seems like a pain

[topaz otter]

Wheres the label

[sullen harbor]

so its something I need to find the free time to do

[native mesa]

A pdf reader on MiSTer would be cool or some way to integrate manuals

[hearty python]

Think the cave have something similar

[topaz otter]

Realistically the retro boom has to end at some point

[hearty python]

We need a small ean database and add scanning camera funktion in the remote control script (web), and we are done

Grab your game, scan it and mister plays it

[topaz otter]

Are you going to fit a 25mb rom into a barcode?

[hearty python]

No, only the translation game to EAN

[topaz otter]

I must be missing a step here

[hearty python]

The script do an index already. So wee need only the EAN for the games.

[quick arch]

Lol 😂

[maiden wyvern]

There is one 🙂

It's not the most beautiful thing but it works

You can throw whatever you want in the docs folder for a core. And access it through the help menu

[maiden wyvern]

Getting camera access in the app is actually quite complicated and I can't do it yet. But the QR code will work still with the normal camera app on your phone

[hearty python]

I am not a programmer. But I know that Retroplace.com works so. Only normal webpage with scanning barcode funktion.

[maiden wyvern]

I can only get camera access over an https connection, and I can't make get a certificate when the app is hosted on the person mister. But yeah once the connection is secure it would be really easy

I'm looking into it actually. I have a solution in mind but I'd need to run my own server and domain

It's not expensive but it's more expensive than current $0 it costs me 😄

[hearty python]

Look for let’s encrypt. There is a way to auto generate it.

[maiden wyvern]

I'll use that on the server for sure but it won't run from a person's mister. It's just an annoying thing these days, web standards don't consider self hosted apps much anymore

[broken viper]

Probably because even though it was revolutionary for shooters at the time many improvements have been made to how shooters control since then. It is a bit rough to get back to even if I still love it I can definitely see why others wouldn't want to keep playing it.

[maiden wyvern]

@hearty python I'll let you know if I make some progress! I like the barcode idea

[hearty python]

Thanks, that is great. I watch the thread on misterfpga.org

[cerulean elk]

Every time I go back to it I need 20 minutes to retrain my brain

[broken viper]

Funny to think how at the time we were like "OMG THESE ARE THE BEST CONTROLS EVER AND EVERYTHING IS FOREVER CHANGED!"

[cerulean elk]

I mean back then they really were

[broken viper]

Yes but not forever. It was a large improvement but far from the endgame of fps controls lol

[languid dune]

It took me a long time to accept modern dual stick controls for first person games specifically because of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. It was ironically, Oblivion on the Xbox 360 that finally got me used to dual stick controls for first person games.

[brisk edge]

Too bad the Xbox version got canned, you could have had both hd remastered to help you learn how to use modern controls

[woeful grove]

being a psx player this was not my thought, I thought "this controller is impossible to hold"

and I still feel the same

umm

well with dual sticks anyway

actually maybe that was ps2 where they started having camera stuff

[broken viper]

the 3 prong system was funky to get used to but it was pretty straightforward once you realized there were simply 2 grips, one with a stick and one with a d-pad.

[woeful grove]

ps1 and ps2 blend together for me a bit

[brisk edge]

Maybe it was the benefit of being a small child but, I picked up both N64 and PS1 controls very easily at the time

[languid dune]

I always hated the way the PS1, 2, and 3 controllers felt in my hands. They're so uncomfortable. PS4 finally made their controllers comfortable.

[broken viper]

the switch from ps1 to ps2 was really seamless other than ps1 games on ps2 not saving to ps2 memory cards for some reason.

[hearty python]

PlayStation Controller is a small evolution in my opinion. I like them, but personally I like the Xbox controller a little more.

I don’t like the switch Joycons 😂

[hearty oar]

Joycons definitely prioritise being small and working sideways over actual ergonomics

There’s a good reason every other modern controller has controls that slope inwards along the natural curve your thumb takes, instead of just being stacked on top of each other

[stone pilot]

Hence, the Pro Controller

[brisk edge]

I don't like the joycons either. The pro controller is also far from perfect but, definitely more comfortable than the joycons

[hearty oar]

Yeah can’t hold it against them I guess, almost every other handheld has that issue I guess

[stone pilot]

(the Pro Controller's d-pad isn't very good)

[hearty oar]

The 3ds used to give me hand cramps too, haha

[brisk edge]

same

handhelds in general these days

MiSTer or emulation is how I play portable games these days lol

[elfin depot]

Frusterating since it's the company that invented the D-pad and had it nailed for so long.

[stone pilot]

It is interesting how many different styles of d-pad Nintendo has had

[hearty oar]

I’m so glad when others realise this, it does my head in when people are like “what dpad issue”

[stone pilot]

for every SNES pad, you have a GameCube pad

[hearty oar]

Like try playing Tetris on it without accidentally hard dropping while trying to move a piece sideways…

[hearty python]

Wii U Pro Controller is better as switch Pro Controller. Also the battery lifetime 😁

[stone pilot]

It feels to me like it was made with the design case of "they're just going to use this for things like switching weapons, not for Shoryuken or fast-twitch stuff"

[hearty oar]

The bizarre thing is they still know how to make a perfect snes style pad, the NSO SNES controller is as authentic as it gets

[hearty python]

N64 Controller is unusual style for me. So I don’t like them either

The old unergonomic pads work like a charm for me. NES, SNES, Megadrive, usw.

[pine field]

hello, I have been told that I can play Super Mario 64? I hate Super Mario 64, can we have Castlevania instead?

[hearty python]

Dreamcast is also ok, but the cord on the wrong side often bothers me

[hearty oar]

Dreamcast controller is a bit of an L from Sega for me at least, why they didn’t just use their existing dpad design is a real mystery to me

[hearty python]

Yes of course in 2024 😂

[hearty oar]

The stick is nice though

[hearty python]

They wanted to sell new stuff, so the controller must be something different. Different don’t mean better @shig

[pine field]

ok good

[native mesa]

Can we get kbm with mister goldeneye?

[hearty python]

Let’s see in 4 weeks again

[pine field]

if I read above it does sound like the core might not fit?

[hearty python]

Don’t worry, Robert is on a good way

[native mesa]

Jerry Boy!

[oblique remnant]

Have you ever tried to use it with the Mister? Is it recognized or are there USB adapter from Brook or so?

[frail jolt]

What doesn't fit?

The core?

[hearty python]

No, never tried yet. Have tried a power a controller for the switch. That works. Iirc there was an adapter for it from 8bitdo?

But the adapter was to expensive. I don’t know what it cost’s now

[pine field]

Correct, I saw the RDP alone is 7K elements, doesn't the DE10 nano only have 15K elements?

[frail jolt]

Ah... I remember when r firs announced he said he was going to attempt the impossible

And this was more of a prep for the next foga

But he was going to try like hell to get it in a de10

[hearty oar]

I don’t think an adaptor is needed for it, there should be a driver for it to work via Bluetooth

[pine field]

@frail jolt ok I'll sell my de10nano then

[hearty python]

I can test it @shig

[frail jolt]

Get the best price for it now....

Lol

Winder when the mister project projects and upgrade

[pine field]

I bought mine for $1250

[hearty python]

Is it pure gold?

[frail jolt]

Whattttttttttt? How why

You spent 1k more than I did

Well counting addons...im at like 600

Maybe 700 with adapters

[hearty python]

Now de10 is more like 300-350€…

[pine field]

mine came with a 3d printed case, I could pick the colors myself and 16GB DDR3 memory

[hearty python]

Was unter 200€ years ago

[frail jolt]

I made my own lol... well the purp was from misteraddons

[hearty python]

16GB DDR3?

[pine field]

Yes I was told I would be able to be up to date to the ps2 core

[frail jolt]

R u sure you bought a mister?

[hearty python]

LOL

[frail jolt]

Them back alley mister deals

[wanton sun]

my first mister also got 16gbyte..................sdcard

[hearty python]

Do you have a picture?

So if I have 256 GB, I got the ps3 core ?

[remote hatch]

Sure

[hearty python]

Fine

[pine field]

works really well

[hearty python]

Pi, no mister

[remote hatch]

It's true mister

[pine field]

that is my mister

would it be a good idea to order a few snack adapters?

[hearty oar]

This is my perfect sandwich

[hearty python]

Sure, you got usb 3 already 😁

[pine field]

he has these ones for sale

Are these any good? Or would you recommend another one?

SNES USB SNACK Adapter - 1 Pack $29.99

[wanton sun]

Had some fun in paint...too bad i don't do youtube videos anymore 🙂

i might write an article about that topic, but there is not much use of clickbait thumbnails for articles

[hearty python]

I would more like a compare against the Saturn.

On the paper the n64 was the strongest system. But real?

[zinc dew]

That’s what the R in RSP stands for REALITY

[hollow rune]

I think it depends on what the goal is. I don't think the PSX could make an environment as open and with a sense of scale as Bob-omb battlefield, Hyrule Field, or Jollyroger Bay

[hollow rune]

I don't have as much PSX experience, but like Spyro had big environments but they never reached that kind of scale

I still felt like I was in a room

Even a certain unnamed game felt like you were tavelling outside

Megaman Legends is probably the best I can think of. There is that field level

and the town feels really big

[marble cargo]

Basically the Nintendo 64 is more powerful in terms of raw processing, but it is handicapped by bottlenecks like the tiny texture cache and limited memory in the cartridges. Which is why the Nintendo 64 could never reach its full potential.

[brisk drum]

Spyro and sheep raider come to mind for me

[hollow rune]

I gotta check out Sheep Raider

[brisk drum]

It’s pretty good works really well with the psx2x core ,

[hollow rune]

but then like yeah, when you get to expansion pak games, it isn't even close. Tooie could be a low res early Xbox game

D64 looks really impressive too

maybe that is a bit of an exageration with the Xbox comment

but like the Armadillo boss with the lightning and the rain in DK64 was very impressive

[wanton sun]

saturn has no math coprocessor, only the SH-2 which yield 28 MIPS each, right? So it doesn't compete in the same league when it comes to 3D i guess. Pure 2D fill rate might be something different? But i'm no saturn expert...

[hollow rune]

2D stuff looks gross on N64

[inner bronze]

Careful, you'll hurt N64s feelings

[hollow rune]

looks at the door I hope it didn't hear me

[inner bronze]

[devout leaf]

Makes sense. Saturn did try sprite scaling while everyone else went for polygons from what I remember.

[orchid nimbus]

I saw there is an update to the Saturn core

[hearty python]

I have never had a n64 nor a Saturn. But have played some Saturn games last time and was very impressed.

[hearty python]

Wasn’t it only the main mister ?

[remote hatch]

yeah , only main

[vapid hawk]

n64 has compute heavy stuff like trilinear filtering, AA, Z-buffer etc that psx and saturn can't even answer

[orchid nimbus]

PeeWee herman died (Paul Ruben)

well that comes as a surprise

[vapid hawk]

its not even close in the hardware, i get why some people prefer the look of psx or saturn games though they have a style

[marble cargo]

Nintendo 64 has the greasy textures, PlayStation has the wobbling and clipping textures, and SEGA Saturn has dithering.

[orchid nimbus]

it wasn't until the DC/PS2 that all was well

[hearty python]

Yes, that’s looks sometimes fantastic. Seems that Saturn is more a 2d power house then.

[wanton sun]

and you don't need that much processing power for most 2D stuff, especially with dedicated sprite drawing hardware

[hearty python]

PS2 has no AA, iirc.

[devout leaf]

Exactly and even some 3D games were beautiful. Bulk Slash has some great graphics while flying.

[marble cargo]

PS2 is sort of strange in that it was clearly built around CRT at the time when the competition was transitioning to alternatives as a form of future proofing.

Like 480p compatible PS2 games are the minority, and the elusive 1080i is limited to only like five games.

[devout leaf]

That awkward time in technology for sure

[hearty python]

I remember crazy Taxi on ps2. They do there best for the port, but I personally find the dc original better. Think they had to learn for the ps2, cause the later games was often much better. On PS1 I hadn’t such a feeling. There was good looking and playing games from the beginning

[broken viper]

Unlike the n64 which was definitely better on a crt

[orchid nimbus]

I remember seeing the n64 for the first time and going like - oh that's cool

but everything was 3D

[languid dune]

This so much. Though good ones do exist. I have 4 Switch Pro Controllers, and only one of them has a good d-pad. The other 3 are garbage.

[hearty python]

The analog sticks aren’t also so durable. Often you see a white powder on them. That is plastic that is grind inside.

I have two controllers that squeak already

[stoic parcel]

https://media.tenor.com/-lFxNI2gjGwAAAAC/conor-mc-gregor-who-the-fook-is-that-guy.gif

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-block-blocked-disagree-nope-gif-18610189

[stoic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[covert bough]

Snes nso pad is what I use when I need a good Dpad on switch. Mostly suited for retro style games tho

[frail jolt]

What does this thing look like closed

[native mesa]

I want to live in a timeline where the Nintendo playstation became a thing

[stoic parcel]

It did, just later. It's called MSU-1.

[native mesa]

I don't mean the hardware just where Sony and Nintendo collabed and there wasn't a console war

[orchid nimbus]

I wonder if SEGA would have been the winner

I mean SONY came in and just obliterated everyone and everything

[topaz otter]

what did this guy post?

[hearty python]

Console war is good for customers 😁

[hearty python]

Sony has had the advantage of a electronic manufacturing company. They could easy put CDROM in her console 😂

[hearty python]

In my opinion Sega has give up to early with the Dreamcast. Can’t understand why they not offer a dvd drive version. Iirc the sold a lot of DCs at a reduced price. Don’t know if the prices then was below manufacturing costs, but we all know that the games make the real profit.

[brisk edge]

piracy, really bad blood between sega of america and sega of japan, the ps2 just dominating. The Dreamcast had an uphill battle from a lot of angles

[zinc dew]

The extremely cool thing about the PS1 is that within it's lifetime there was a generational leap forward in software architecture design. The PS1's 3D capabilities and limited ram meant it couldn't hold a lot of data at once but through clever programming tricks games toward the end of that console's lifepsan pulled off monumentally advanced features.

Spyro in particular employed level of detail to create those massive environments you see. Because of lack of perspective correct texturing and lack of floating point precision, a lot of games had to really subdivide polygonal mesh detail in the environments so the world appeared stable (didn't wobble or distort when turning the camera). The devteam at Insomniac utilized level of detail so the further away the meshes were swapped with versions that had less texture and mesh detail, often being really simple polygonal blobs with no texture data. When you got up close those meshes swapped in for more detailed ones so when Spyro was right up againt a wall it used the highest detailed mesh so the wall looked correct upclose.

Sorry long winded response. That generation in particular was particularly impressive by how advanced a lot of the rendering tricks got from even game to game.

We even went from skeletal animations to vertex skinned animations. A massive leap forward in animation quality!

[hearty python]

Yeah that’s true. With only 2MB of ram they do magic things

[cerulean elk]

TL;DR…Sony Mathed hard boys

No but for real the level of inventive chicanery devs got up to when they had constraints were a lot more impressive than today when ram is basically limitless and the only limitation is someone’s imagination

[stone pilot]

I wonder what the first game with LoD paging was

[cerulean elk]

Some 3DO games did it. Changing meshes and texture resolutions on the fly at distances

Probably done earlier but it’s the first 3D console I’ve seen do it

[stone pilot]

Pole Position has 16x16 and 32x32 versions of all its sprites. The game switches from the low-res ones to the high-res ones as the cars get closer

[languid ore]

From my understanding Sony just had way better tools. Didn't some English developer develop a lot of the early dev tools for the PlayStation and then we're later acquired by Sony? Maybe I am high in the night but for some reason my brain remembers something like that

[cerulean elk]

Sony did a better job supporting devs than Sega or Nintendo

Their dev support / tool set / eagerness to exist was better

[languid ore]

Yeah, I was just thinking there was one all-star developer that did a lot of the early work

So much so that Sony bought them

[languid dune]

Nintendo thought they were untouchable at that point and basically 💩 the bed. Sony did the same thing in the PS3 generation, and Microsoft did it in the XBox One generation. It's so weird that they didn't learn from their own rival's past mistakes.

[languid ore]

Maybe Psygnosis is the company I am thinking of?

[languid ore]

Execs aren't always as smart as the money people pay them would lead you to believe.

[languid dune]

This is true.

[brisk edge]

I still think choosing carts and disks are what really hindered them getting better third party support. I also had forgot that the virtual boy launched right before the 64, you think that would have spurred them to make better decisions

[ocean lily]

nintendo has monolithsoft, so they're good

[frail jolt]

I think this is documented....it was a harder system to code for, and the nontendo tax for carts killed a lot of 3rd party interest

[long ore]

Oh yes, this was known fact at the time. Source: Pepperidge Farms

FF7 was going to be on the Ultra 64

[worn delta]

Nintendo: "Nah, it's cool, you can have FF7 Sony. We got Brian 64. We good."

[long ore]

Nintendo fanboy me was very upset with them that they went cart. Got myself a PS and a 64 later when I had the money burning a hole in my pocket.

Glad I did. Goldeneye happened.

[latent dagger]

Goldeneye and Castlevania 64

[stoic parcel]

🤨

[cerulean elk]

Legacy of Darkness is criminally underrated

[worn delta]

OOT and Majora's are better than anything on PlayStation.

[latent dagger]

yooo, seriously. There was so much planned for the first one but got cut and then we got a good chunk of it in that one, like the knight with a gun. dope. XD

[ocean lily]

Xenogears should have been on n64

[latent dagger]

Excuse me but, MGS1 would like to have a word with you

[worn delta]

Tell it to wait a few years when it is remade, improved, and released on the Game Cube

[latent dagger]

and silent hill. and parasite eve. and legend of dragoon

[ocean lily]

Winback would like a word

[latent dagger]

[ocean lily]

OoT has all the sneaking I need in a game

ain't nobody got time for a game all about sneaking like mgs

[latent dagger]

Nothing beats PaRappa The Rapper

and nobody hip thrusts like Crash

[ocean lily]

who needs gran turismo when there's top gear rally

[latent dagger]

bruh, who needs either when you've got Ridge Racer

[ocean lily]

ridge racer? pfft, cruisin' usa is where it's at

[worn delta]

MGS does let you simulate what your life would be like if you lived under a bridge in LA: camping out in a cardboard box and smoking tabs.

[latent dagger]

Nah fam, Hydro Thunder was def better.

I loved the crap outta HT

[ocean lily]

Waverace yo

[stoic parcel]

I mean. I've cleared CV64 and LOD several times.. but I wouldnt call them enjoyable per se.

[latent dagger]

remember Vigilante 8?

[ocean lily]

ye

Vigilante 8 was great fun

[latent dagger]

gattling guns on a school bus bro

[ocean lily]

very forward-thinking of them if it was set in the US

[latent dagger]

Shit was wild back in the 90s

the idea of being sensitive to things and censorship was out the window

just look at some of the commercials for stuff

[ocean lily]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-baby-ps3-transbaconist-gif-25164351

[latent dagger]

bro, that was the mid 2000s

Sony didn't give a fuck

I think we got a good 15 years before things got toned down

[ocean lily]

now we have the ps5 that looks like an oversized wifi router

it's still secksi tho

[latent dagger]

hey bro, despite the way it looks, I like my PS5. It's so far been a decent replacement for my PS4 being able to play PS4 and PS5 games

[ocean lily]

I never owned a new playstation product until the ps5

[latent dagger]

I've been on the fence considering getting an Xbox One X (not a series) just to get access to all the 360 games with Game Pass

[ocean lily]

didn't even have a ps2 until like 2 years ago

[latent dagger]

because you only get access to them on the One/Series not the actual 360 for some dumb reason

[elfin depot]

Nintendo had some wild ads back then

[ocean lily]

though I kinda just bought the ps2 because it's stupid easy to mod and I wanted to play xenosaga

[latent dagger]

btw, do you think we'll actually get a core for N64 or will it forever be a mostly functional but never quite there project?

[ocean lily]

dunno; dude's a beast, but the n64 is too

[latent dagger]

it really does just come down to some of the more customized niche silicon doesn't it. PS1 was doable cuz of how basic it's hardware was

[ocean lily]

if it won't work 100% on MiSTer, it'll be time for whatever uses the kria

[latent dagger]

if we do get essentially a MiSTer 2 you think devs will bother with porting their cores over?

[ocean lily]

no idea; but I imagine most of it would be redoing memory

though the kria has enough bram that most cores could fit their ram in there and not worry about sdram

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stranding-death-stranding-hideo-kojima-kojima-productions-gif-7392812

[native mesa]

Speaking of vigilante 8 the new twisted metal show is pretty good

[uncut gyro]

SN Systems is the company you’re thinking of. They are amazing, their sustainably great work is why PS4/5 is effectively always on LLVM trunk

(but not updating the ancient Dinkinware C++ library, sadly)

[hollow rune]

Is it a comedy? Because I was shocked to see comedy casting. Also I want to support Stephanie Beatriz so I might watch it.

[wanton sun]

what is the advantage of passing all RSP tests?

the screenshots are smaller as no failed tests are listed 😛

[hearty oar]

holy shit dude, well done

[wanton sun]

will take 2-3 days off now, worked too long into the night over the last 2 weeks

[stoic parcel]

Robert deserves a less lumpy looking N64 cake

[hearty oar]

must have been tempting to power through those last few RSP tests 😆

[wanton sun]

can't let it get of my mind once i'm in the topic. That's why i rather take a break before touching something new

[quick arch]

Thank you 🙂 How many AML's are used for the moment ?

[wanton sun]

couldn't give up before reaching my goal, haha

[stoic parcel]

Thank you for your work.

N64 is not my favorite system but I appreciate the effort you are making nonetheless.

[wanton sun]

does that mean no burning N64 for 1 week?

[stoic parcel]

Or I could just not post it at all, if its bothering you 🙂

[wanton sun]

i don't mind, my love for the system is huge enough to withstand 😅

[bronze tree]

@wanton sun is it useful to test this build or is it unlikely to change anything at this point?

[versed cairn]

Oh wow you hit the 6K ALM target?!?! amazing

congrats

[stoic parcel]

Gosh, you know.. I dont know how it happened but all my n64 memes seem to have been deleted somehow. Truly, a tragedy.

[wanton sun]

not sure. Any game that uses the RSP will likely want to draw something afterwards with the RDP and as that only implements the stuff required for the NICCC demo, any other command will hang the RDP up, so it's unlikely a lot of stuff gets further. Probably only games that do something like sound in the RSP and draw a title screen with the CPU or so

when i start working on the RDP this weekend, i will add a error flag for unknown RDP commands, so it's clear if that is the reason

[remote hatch]

congrats @wanton sun !

[wanton sun]

thank you all 🙂

[hollow pebble]

Wow

[solemn maple]

RDP coming up after your well deserved break?

[hollow pebble]

That’s huge @wanton sun, please go take your well deserved break. 🥳

[wanton sun]

yes RDP is next. First some basic stuff, then texture loading and rendering pipeline. Once that is done, only bugs in any of the subsystems should prevent first games from working....fingers crossed

[sharp beacon]

@wanton sun Thak you Robert!!

[vapid hawk]

wow congrats rob thats an amazing achivement, especially hitting your utilization goal

[hollow pebble]

I think you’re slightly ahead of your December target. 😂

[wanton sun]

well, there are still a lot of shortcuts in there, e.g. in the CPU, so could be that i have to spend 1-2 weeks here and there before going further. So it's still unclear

[solemn maple]

Is there any feature not present in OG n64 that you would like to add if space is available? Except for savestates.

[stoic parcel]

Maybe.. the ability to turn off all anti aliasing and blur?

I hope

[wanton sun]

AA is a feature the core currently cannot do

so it's like the opposite way

[stoic parcel]

Oh, well.. I mean.. maybe you could never add it in..

[wanton sun]

there is no reason to not make it optional

[stoic parcel]

Oh ^_^

[vapid hawk]

it might be interesting to see if the AA can be improved at all

[safe robin]

Nebelwerfer ON/OFF 😄

[wanton sun]

i think Ares has a way to improve it, by not merging pixels together, but creating 480p out of it...but i didn't fully understood it yet. I honestly wasn't interesting in the VI part yet. Pure output of the framebuffer is enough to get games running. There is enough to keep in the brain without that, can touch it later

[vapid hawk]

oh interesting

[solemn maple]

Maybe a 16:9 option like the psx core have. I never play that way personally but I'm sure plenty of people do.

[vapid hawk]

maybe also some similar hack can be done to output 480i games at 480p like you did on PSX

[stoic parcel]

Certain 2D games bafflingly use the analog stick instead of the dpad as well. Im guessing the best way around that is setting the controls in MiSTer though

Yes, I know. Im weird.

[wanton sun]

i haven't researched any 480i game yet, but if i read right they are not using a interlaced framebuffer like the psx, which is clear when they run at below 60fps. In this case a 480p hack for them would be very easy

[vapid hawk]

nice

[wanton sun]

it's only hard for psx, because not the full 480p image exists at the same time

[vapid hawk]

if they don't use an interlace framebuffer does that mean they essentially render 480p internally already?

[wanton sun]

yes, it would be 2 480p images, but as you cannot give out 480p to a crt...

if your game runs at lower than 60fps framerate, you must have the full 480p image somewhere, as the VI will scan out the lines anyway and has to show something, which typically is the last fully rendered image

that's why psx games with 480i break down to 30fps instantly once you have little slow down: the rendering might still complete in time, even if it wasn't finished by vsync, but if the game logic isn't sure it can finish the next frame also in time, it rather doesn't start rendering, because otherwise it would show complete garbage

[blissful plaza]

Thank you once more, you've done so well on such short time.

[oblique remnant]

Top notch. My dear mister singing-club 😀

[silent marten]

Congratulations Robert

[lament escarp]

Congrats and thank YOU for your hard work! You're really inspiring to follow and while I'll never be a FPGA programmer I submited the paperwork today to work 32h a week just like you. 🙂

[silent marten]

Does this mean I need to start prepping a Google Sheet?

[remote hatch]

wait for RDP

[silent marten]

OK 🙂

[teal citrus]

Take all the time off you need.

[daring meteor]

Classic Robert
Says to not expect it done until the end of August
Finishes August 1st

[silent marten]

lol Kasher, I said to him so games booting around September then and he was like nah more like December xD

[daring meteor]

December meaning the 10th month uwu

[blissful plaza]

At the moment, I'm doing a new series of unitary tests from Krom/PeterLemon's suite on my side.
Will probably do a spreadsheet later.
No regression so far, ~~but I've maybe seen some bugs. ~~>> EDIT : No bug, just some differences between original CRT vs. LCD/LED precision (like with the "FillTriangle" tests)

I need to compare the results with my N64 system, as some tests give only visual response (no FAILED or PASSED message).

[blissful plaza]

I've seen something strange with the core (2023/08/01) when passing some tests on the RSP.
When I try to test each Vector instruction, the second one on the list and the others after that are giving a FAILED result.
But, if I fully reload the core each time I try to pass a test, those that failed give an additional PASSED result.

For example: If I try to test the VRCPL instruction after loading the core, I try to run the VRCP test and it fails.
If I reload the core, the VRCP test now works, but it fails on the other instruction tests.

EDIT : Only the RSP tests have the problem, the other parts of the system are correct.

Those tests are working correctly on my N64 system, and also on the last nightly build of Ares (2023/07/31).

[blissful plaza]

And the RDRAM test, on the extensive test freezes on address $A07FF00 with a E004 error code.
Other results are impressive so far.

[devout leaf]

This was previously expected to be around 7k correct? Excuse my ignorance but as far as resources to work with does that leave you in a better than expected spot compared to a few days ago?

[silent marten]

I can't wait for work on RDP to start so I can check up on the title screen for Buck Bumble 🙂

[vagrant ivy]

Quest 6 4 draws near !

[silent marten]

That game will never run if Kitrinx has any say in the matter xD

Buck Bumbles title screen > Quest xD

https://youtu.be/K0DDY299Ly4

[orchid nimbus]

ubi-soft.......

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun

[stoic parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-clapping-applause-applaud-cheerleader-gif-12591824

[orchid nimbus]

is there a version we can download and try?

see if more demos work 😄

Or Rayman starts beyond the ubisoft logo

[orchid nimbus]

today's build? 😄

[remote hatch]

yes 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

thanks

[silent marten]

@remote hatch did you notice if anything new does anything more

[remote hatch]

i'm still at work

[orchid nimbus]

the sound is much better 🙂

[blissful plaza]

Rayman doesn't go beyond the Start screen.

[silent marten]

I need to update the core and copy over the games today as it is getting to the point where things are gonna work more....

Does Buck Bumble reach the title screen yet and play audio?

[zinc dew]

that’s all we really need it to do tbh

[blissful plaza]

Gimme a moment for transferring the game.

[orchid nimbus]

most demos don't crash anymore and the music is playing - but nothing appears on screen as is expected

buck bumble

[silent marten]

It is trying to do something 🙂

Any audio though?

Or does it hang

[blissful plaza]

Same, it hangs.

Waiting for the RDP.

[orchid nimbus]

yup

[remote hatch]

i see bumble bees here 😛

[orchid nimbus]

20 angry hamsters got to work on the screen

[blissful plaza]

I've already tested 1/3 of the N64 library, and no drastic changes.
That's also why I've not uploaded the core of today earlier, as for most users it will be 'useless'.

[orchid nimbus]

Kwest64?

[blissful plaza]

No changes.

Still hangs.

[silent marten]

Nothing 3D will do anything without RDP, I was just curious about if Buck Bumble played the music 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

Donald Duck going quackers

check that one 🙂

[silent marten]

It won't go further without RDP

[orchid nimbus]

5 screens in 😄

[blissful plaza]

Same as for Rayman 2.

[orchid nimbus]

from what I see it works right up the point where things get interesting

so ubisoft are the first game candidates next to namco museum I guess 😄

[silent marten]

It looks that way

[blissful plaza]

Wave Race too.

[silent marten]

We will have to wait and see what happens when RDP work starts

[blissful plaza]

Yep.

[orchid nimbus]

Dr Mario is running - but you can't see anything on the screen yet

as expected

[blissful plaza]

I've seen scrambled "PRESS START BUTTON" on the last part of the screen.

So, it tries to decode something, as I recognize the colors of that part.

[silent marten]

But it is getting very very close

[orchid nimbus]

right now the core behaves like a broken n64 😄

where a chip doesn't do anything I guess

[silent marten]

Because it basically is a N64 with a broken RDP lol

[blissful plaza]

On the current tests I'm trying, everything from RDP is failing for the moment, but other parts are responding as expected, except what I've seen earlier.

[silent marten]

Give it 2 - 3 weeks and we will more than likely have a whole bunch of games at least rendering things

[orchid nimbus]

the demos now almost all play some music

[blissful plaza]

I give it all the time needed and wanted by the dev.
It's already almost a miracle.

No stress, no pressure.

[silent marten]

Yeah I agree, Robert is an absolute genius 🙂

[blissful plaza]

Christmas will be earlier this year.

[silent marten]

I just know how fast he works 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

I'll be making an update script again like how I did with the PSX once Yps will do an auto build

https://vampier.net/N64/

until then please let me know if more links can be added

[blissful plaza]

We just need to keep a cold head at the moment and let Robert doing his work with the time he will need.
But like everyone else, we are living something great like when the PS1 core was developed.

[zinc dew]

easy for you to say when it’s not 106* where you live 🥵

[orchid nimbus]

then move

[stoic parcel]

Whats your hottest summer?

[zinc dew]

easy for you to say since you’re a hamster 🐹

[silent marten]

Lol

[orchid nimbus]

I'm 20 angry hamsters to be exact

[silent marten]

I had no idea you changed your name on here Vamp

[orchid nimbus]

we work like a collective... like the borg to type

I changed my name/color and all my stats are reset

I'm now one of the regulars 😄

ok

nickname back to Vampier

[silent marten]

Lol

[remote hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/behave-nope-you-gif-13968400

[stoic parcel]

Well batty, thank you for asking. 118 F

[orchid nimbus]

here - not that bad 🙂 only 30 today

[zinc dew]

oh ok, yeah not that hot

[orchid nimbus]

now tell me why people where stupid to live in caves 😄

[stoic parcel]

something something california, something something global warming

[orchid nimbus]

It's now global boiling

you're behind on the climate vocabulary

the world according to people who make their money with climate alarming

how it actually feels

(ontopic vampier!!)

[zinc dew]

keep politic talk in #spicy-off-topic plz

also lol gradius

[cerulean elk]

I’ll talk politics where I please! n64 for President. Saturn is taking our jobs!

[stoic parcel]

OPTION

LASER

[orchid nimbus]

@zinc dew that wasn't politics - that was pulling the current temps into absurdity in a slow walk to Gradius 3

took quite some googeling to even find things that sort of looked the same

also - no gradius on the n64

[stoic parcel]

There is a viewpoint prototype, and a Star Soldier tho

[zinc dew]

Also Bakuretsu Muteki Bangaioh and Dezaemon 3D

there’s a translation for Dezaemon I think

Nah I’m wrong, I was thinking of Viewpoint

anyone play that game? Is it a complete unpublished game?

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-hamster-waiting-stalking-watching-gif-4791785

this one is on the list to play for sure

[zinc dew]

N64 shoot em up > Saturn shoot ‘em ups

[orchid nimbus]

behold! the 1st version I played

[stoic parcel]

Permission to post gif

I am getting mixed signals.

[zinc dew]

I put yes

[stoic parcel]

Oh

[zinc dew]

it sure does lol

[stoic parcel]

Robert said that all that blurry nonsense will be toggle-able this morning. So I deleted all my hateful N64 gifs, clearly this man has good intentions.

[orchid nimbus]

blurry nonsense - you mean those bitmaps over sharp crisp graphics?

[stoic parcel]

bitmaps you say

[brisk edge]

Really enjoyed the soundtrack for this one, enough to track down the actual CD.

[stoic parcel]

I looked at a video and it seems fairly complete

[topaz otter]

how are you making these....

[languid dune]

Love waking up to that amazing progress!! Congrats @wanton sun !

https://tenor.com/view/what-unfriendly-looking-girl-you-dropped-this-king-gif-17833489

[daring meteor]

Anyone has a list of TLB games?

[zinc dew]

The iPhone’s built in photo editor

[orchid nimbus]

that's NOT what happened in the game (persona 4 golden btw)

[wanton sun]

yes, the RSP is currently not reset when loading a new rom, so the accumulator and other parts will not be the same with every start. Kroms test however depend on them being zero. As it costs significant ressources (resetting around 800 more flipflops), i haven't done it yet, because i assume that games will never depend on that as every microcode run will be executed after different microcode before and restarting the RSP at runtime also doesn't reset it

So basically starting a new game is like a softreset, rather then turning of the console new

if it ever will be a real issue, i can add it

[wanton sun]

yes, it's looking really good now. the fpga is now 56% filled and i want to stay below 90% for timing purposes. Even if i assume 14% more for cpu completion, pad stuff TLB and VI, this still leaves 20% for the RDP, which should be fine

[vapid hawk]

people who had a real n64, how did you change games?

rip cart, insert new cart, press reset?

or power down, rip card, insert card, power up

[wanton sun]

i always powered down

[vapid hawk]

same i was paranoid about saves 😄

[orchid nimbus]

I was honestly not expecting this so fast 🙂 or that it would fit - but then again - I'm just an arm chair expert 😄

[sharp beacon]

I don't think it was an intended option "hot insertion"

[devout leaf]

Leave on, rip cart, maintain eye contact for dominance, insert new cart, reset. Let the console know who calls the shots.

But honestly I’d power down lol

[little socket]

I have never seen anyone leaving a console powered on when changing a cart

[wanton sun]

I hope you will be as happy as i am with 32h week. I probably still get about the same done at work but that additional day motivated me to tackle larger hobby projects

[little socket]

except maybe some funky speedrunners

[blissful plaza]

Thanks for your reply, I didn't expect it (and so soon).

[cerulean elk]

Ooh math. Fun details for next vid

Good to visualize it for people as far as “fit” is concerned

[wanton sun]

i cannot run the Krom tests without modding them, as they only run on a NTSC console, but did you try the reset button after running a test on hardware?

the rsp add test for example should also fail on hardware if you press the resetbutton

if not, i have to dig deeper

[elfin depot]

Do you need an NTSC Console?

[wanton sun]

it currently wouldn't help much. Maybe later

[elfin depot]

Lemme know, I have a couple I got in a lot buy.

[wanton sun]

can i even use a standard ntsc here in europe with 230V/50Hz?

probably needs a different power supply at least. Video out is going to capture card only for me, so that should be ok

[elfin depot]

https://tenor.com/view/airplane-plug-gif-20186062

only one way to be sure!

[cerulean elk]

The power supplies were region specific I believe voltage wise

[vapid hawk]

the PSUs are interchangable

like you can use your pal psu on an ntsc console no problem

[cerulean elk]

Yeah you can change them out no biggie

[cerulean elk]

Letting the magic smoke out of an N64 helps with core development anyway. Smoke signals 😂

[elfin depot]

"oh look, now I can see INTO the chips, making tracing easier"

[vapid hawk]

like assuming you already have a pal n64, you can just buy a US console (don't need the psu) and use the pal psu on it

[cerulean elk]

I am glad the days of region specific power supplies are long gone

[vapid hawk]

expansion pak, controllers, rumble etc all also interchangable

[cerulean elk]

You can get aftermarket universal supplies too now. Dunno how good they are but they exist

[vapid hawk]

they're quite bad apparently i was told to stay away

noisy/hot/tendancy to catch fire

[elfin depot]

yeah those Pico supplies run hot from my memory

[vapid hawk]

the n64 replacement ones are not even pico quality they just come off some random chinese factory somewhere i guess

[oblique remnant]

are you talking about the pico with catching fire?!

[wanton sun]

would probably get a second PAL supply then, don't want 1,5 working consoles. They shouldn't be that expensive

but for now, there is no need. My own tests run fine on my console and the other tests...well they are already verified on hardware

[vapid hawk]

svideo cables are not interchangable but composite video cables are

yeah tbh if you need anything run on a real ntsc n64 i'm sure someone here can do it for you

i have one somewhere

[mellow raft]

I have one with an RGB AND UltraHDMI mod + 64Drive 😛

yeah I actually got a legit 64Drive cart 😛

[vapid hawk]

i think mines got that obscure n64advanced2.0 mod in it

[mellow raft]

haha

[vapid hawk]

no hdmi but it can output up to 720p analog or something? and rgb all that

[mellow raft]

I was surprised that I was able to successfully send a rom to the USB port on the 64Drive with a 15ft ethernet cable and a pair of USB->ethernet adapters that send USB over ethernet

It's much slower compared to direct, but it works surprisingly

[vapid hawk]

sounds a lot of effort 😄

can it only have one rom at a time on it or something?

[mellow raft]

well it was necessary because my TV setup is too far from my PC

I don't own a laptop

Well the USB is meant for development purposes

[vapid hawk]

oh right

[mellow raft]

It doesn't suport saving when doing that

I don't develop roms but I was using it to check if romhacks would boot on real hardware while I was working on the HTGDB updates I did a couple years ago

was a lot easier to just drag it to an executable, and watch it boot the rom, instead of taking out the SD card every time

[vapid hawk]

can't you get SD cards with like built in wifi these days?

idk if anyone ever tried one in an ODE

[mellow raft]

Preaching to the choir... but micro sd doesn't exist with that

64Drive uses micro

[vapid hawk]

oh

u could also add a micro to fullsize adapter i guess

be pretty ugly tho

[mellow raft]

I'm not sure if the power output on the port is enough tbh

maybe

[vapid hawk]

yeah that too

[mellow raft]

I've really wanted a wireless SD card for my flashcarts

I know about them but yeah...

😂

way older tech

I didn't know this existed though

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804783210188.html

well I guess it doesn't hurt to try it with my current micro sd card 😛

[little socket]

they were expensive back when 512Mb seemed huge

[cerulean elk]

Well now 😂

[steady basalt]

Console's manual says to always power off when changing games and even controllers. My cousin console was damaged a couple times with bootleg carts, the console didn't boot games anymore, his fixed fixed it by taking it to a repair shop, but failed getting rid of the offending cartridge.

[steady basalt]

Biggest issue with controllers is people connecting them with stick outside of neutral position, requiring to hold L R and start for 3 seconds to center it again.

[hollow rune]

We have an NTSC one here in Germany and we use an EU power source with it and it is fine with retro tink mini

Maybe with CRT that doesn't fly though

[teal citrus]

I know this is way, way, WAY too early to ask, but what're the chances this core might get a 2X version?

I kept hearing that a lot of trimming had to be done on the PSX core code.

[topaz otter]

You always switch the power off, change games, and switch it back on

Nintendo warned against snatching the cart with the power on way back in the nes manual

[marble cargo]

I vividly remember when I was a kid I once yanked a cartridge out of my SNES (I think it was Kirby's Avalache?) while it was still powered on, and the horrible glitchy screeching scared the shit out of me.

I think that experience made me conditioned to always turn off the console before I took out the cartridge.

[topaz otter]

Ive seen it, once, they had to buy a new nintendo because they fried it

[steady basalt]

Even with the Nintendo DS and Lite. DSi and 3DS allowed to swap on home menu.

[topaz otter]

I dont remember this on the ds

[little socket]

well, those were cards already

[topaz otter]

Because theres no way to get back to the menu

Without powering it off

[cerulean elk]

I was doing some pick up shots for an update/etc video for N64 core and I found my cart for THE GAME THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED

[hollow rune]

In exile it only became stronger

[cerulean elk]

I am going to talk about a few things I keep hearing in comments about the N64 core that aren't true...but if anyone else has any others lmk

1. the biggest N64 cart wont fit in ram? (I keep hearing this...I have no idea why) and 2) 4MB memory expansion will be a problem

[vagrant ivy]

Quest 6 4 will be the only game the Core Can play

[carmine kettle]

what works on current core?

[vagrant ivy]

Quest 6 4

The one true game

[carmine kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-man-cmon-man-ugh-stressed-gif-17640173

[steady basalt]

Namco Museum iirc.

[cerulean elk]

lolol....no

and by no I mean why not lolol

[remote hatch]

Some demos , namco museum

[weary palm]

I always powered down. I just checked the manual, it agrees with me. 😉

[native mesa]

No AA and blur without game genie codes sounds amazing.

It will be better than original hardware

[wanton sun]

zero. the 2x version would have the CPU run at 187.5Mhz. There is no chance this would work on any DE10nano. Best case we can get is have more cache and faster RDRAM, because i clock the ddr3 at 125mhz * 64bit while in N64 ram runs at 62.5mhz * 64bit (kind of). And the RAM is the main bottleneck of the N64...

[teal citrus]

Jesus...

Understandable, at least until there's a successor to the DE10 Nano.

[wanton sun]

to give you a comparison: project64 runs most games with 2-4 clock cycles per cpu instruction. How many cycles does some instruction take? Only 1 in 95% of the cases. They are using higher numbers because the ram access (instruction/data fetch) does slow down the cpu that much. It was the same in PSX without data cache. I'm quite sure that Nintendo would have been able to improve the design without much effort if they would have been given a second chance. Luckily we already know those issues after 25 years now AND we have the chance to change things....always optionally of course. I don't think higher clock speed for the logic is required to improve things. N64 already has a CPU like psx3x (yes 3, not 2)

[languid ore]

N64 is 3x better than PSX, proven!

[wanton sun]

at least! 😛

[marble cargo]

I'm more concerned about the Nintendo 64 core running at all, so I don't mind if any turbo options are skipped.

[cerulean elk]

you monsters got your mention of the game that shall not be named in the next video lol

@zinc dew should be happy

[vagrant ivy]

A Game so good it was banned on Discord !

[woeful grove]

adding video to banlist

[cerulean elk]

well I make fun of it so maybe you should add it to the preferred list

lol

[woeful grove]

I would never really do that

hopefully

[cerulean elk]

Never know lol

[orchid nimbus]

I just found out about Mother Encore

still think we missed out not having a mother game on n64

[cerulean elk]

what could have been

[orchid nimbus]

but then again - this looks like nightmare material

https://mother4ever.net/about-mother-64/

[devout leaf]

Sad with all the info from the Gigaleaks we never got any new Mother info.

[plush summit]

I will die on the hill that Ura Zelda exists

[devout leaf]

Would like some on that and the design info on Metroid 64 that no one could agree on.

[orchid nimbus]

maybe it's for the best

[languid dune]

It's still wild to me that we never got Mother 3 in the west. Obviously the fan translation exists, and I have played through that on real hardware, but so many people haven't touched it.

[cerulean elk]

Nintendo hates us and doesn’t want us to be happy

[brisk edge]

i think we'll get a collection at some point

feel like it's been long enough they might try to do something with the series

as cool as a proper m3 release would be, I feel like I'd probably not enjoy whatever their script ends up being

since the game gets pretty heavy at parts

[mellow path]

It's one of the few gba games whose soundtrack doesn't sound like a tinny bag of trash to me. A must play on the GBA core for sure.

[brisk edge]

ironically it has a patch to help clear it up further lol but yeah, it doesn't sound too bad for the GBA

[languid dune]

Castlevania Circle of the Moon also sounds really good for a GBA game.

[stoic parcel]

COTM was part of the reason people were less than satsified with Harmony's OST when it released. Great compositions, but sounded like chiptunes.

[languid dune]

Aria of Sorrow definitely improved the soundtrack again over Harmony. Not on the level of CotM on an audio quality standpoint, but the compositions were great.

[brisk edge]

harmony is a weird collection of songs, I don't hate it, but it's kind of all over the place

[languid dune]

It's map design also wasn't very good.

[sterile river]

hey someone tag me when majora's mask is working in five years or whatever, I never played it and need to make amends

[quaint rune]

I’ll tag you but it will be way sooner than you think. I’ll message you next week 🥁🎶 just kidding. But yeah it’ll be fast and I gotchu

[sterile river]

hell yeah ty

[topaz otter]

The search for ura zelda is why i became a uralogist

[topaz otter]

Now that this game is popular again I'm changing sides

I'm now part of the anti holy magic century gang

[cerulean elk]

I am firmly team Bomberman Hero Advocacy Group

[languid ore]

Bomberman 64 > Hero

[hollow rune]

Music in 64 slaps

[cerulean elk]

Everyone gets an opinion. Even wrong ones 😂

[languid ore]

True, I won't hold yours against you. It's not your fault you're wrong, right? Ha

To make a video showing Bomberman Hero so I can go flame you in the comments 🤡

[stoic parcel]

😐

[cerulean elk]

I’ll make Bomberman hero my 50K sub special. So might be a minute

[native mesa]

Majoras mask and all their lighting effects depended pretty heavily on the blur don't didn't it

[modest helm]

There are some rom hacks that fix this. There’s one for Yoshi’s Story, Kirby 64 and the Japanese exclusive 2D Bomberman

[stoic parcel]

Thats wonderful information, thank you.

[orchid nimbus]

we might get cheats for the core

hope it can be patched with cheats

[cerulean elk]

I just want that HDMI. I’ve put off modding my N64 in hopes for this day

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-blink-what-excuse-me-gif-15589534

HD Am I?

[hollow pebble]

@wanton sun my main N64 is an JP NTSC model. Happy to test anything out you need if ever required. 🥳

[zealous hull]

Criminally underappreciated message.

[orchid nimbus]

uricacid comment

[tidal zenith]

Get N64 or get out

Get Nintendo 64 or get out

[woeful grove]

Get Quest64 and get out

[teal citrus]

Get nice or get out

[cerulean elk]

Such weird commercials. The smash bros one being the oddest

[elfin depot]

The violence one? Yeah weird times.

[cerulean elk]

https://youtu.be/K783SDTBKmg

[marble cargo]

I loved that commercial.

[elfin depot]

I went a bit too opaque on the font but oh well. Also blinded Mario bit that's probably for the best🤣

[languid ore]

Busted out the N64 and tested my controller repair tonight. A lot of those games are really rough on a modern TV. That low frame rate is enough to make you sick on some of them. Really hoping this core gets a few of those to perform a bit better. Mario 64, for example, was fine. Mystical Ninja? Vomit inducing.

[maiden wyvern]

@stoic parcel when i can, i always map dpad to analog stick

[stoic parcel]

😦

[maiden wyvern]

i use invert look as well

[stoic parcel]

That escalated quickly

[maiden wyvern]

it just brings me great pleasure to use the analog stick and to use it incorrectly

[stoic parcel]

I feel personally attacked.

[languid dune]

Inverted y-axis camera controls is the one true setup.

[maiden wyvern]

my favourite thing about it is when i'm playing a game with my friends and i have to go "oh sorry i just need to pause for a sec and turn on invert look"

[stoic parcel]

😏

[languid dune]

Developers should ensure that inverted camera controls are always the default option. And then remove the ability to change it. It's for the greater good.

[maiden wyvern]

i'd really like that

[solemn maple]

what's the best sports game on the ol' 64?

[oblique remnant]

Uh sportsgame tough. Id say ISS 2000

[elfin relic]

is snowboard a sport? I remember playing a lot of 1080 Snowboarding back in the day on the ol n64

[safe robin]

Snowboard Kids is a sportsgame too 😄

[oblique remnant]

Then racing games are also sport games 😀

[void hemlock]

I used to watch Quarterback Club just play out AI vs AI

never really played the game :P

but if it would be considered a sports game, I'd say Wave Race 64 :P. absolutely loved that game, but is Jet Ski racing a sport?

[old vortex]

Oh no! Mystical Ninja is the #1 game I can’t wait to revisit, but it’s been 20+ years. I’ll temper my expectations. Haha.

[vapid hawk]

if inverted stick is good enough for every airforce everywhere its good enough for me

[maiden wyvern]

that's a good point

i'm kind of like an air force pilot

[hollow rune]

I played the whole thing last year on a HD monitor and it looks fantastic, save the sprites used for items and trees in the 3D space.

I think it's pretty.

[native mesa]

I tried playing last night but my memory card is dead apparently. I think the wireless brawler64 dongle killed it

[cerulean elk]

2D assets from this game do stick out like a sore thumb

[hollow rune]

It is weirdly worse than other games like mario 64, and I am not sure if it has to do with how they are outlined or what

[cerulean elk]

It’s the hard black edge

It pops when viewed not on a crt. In the wrong ways

[hollow rune]

yeah, that just made it pop up in my memory. That has got to be it

otherwise, it is one of the best looking non-expansion pak games.

another complaint I could see is that you find the color decisions too intense, but I love it.

[wanton sun]

it's one thing i like about the n64 games: the vivid colors of most games. Makes me happy.

[remote hatch]

I really want to play Wave Racer 64, it made a huge impression on me in the 90s

( not that I couldn't do it on some emulator )

[bright nacelle]

Agreed! Not n64, but i do like to play some mario sunshine in winter time. The stuff nintendo was made fun off back in the day is (now at least) appreciated!

[native mesa]

I notice that developers did them poorly in may cases. In Majora's mask you can see the edges of sprites like they are just squished boxes with textures on every face

Anyone messed with the dithering?

https://github.com/saturnu/u64aap

[cerulean elk]

someone needs to start playing some Sega Model 3

bright primary colors straight to the eyes

https://youtu.be/5j28xTgNp-s

little something fun for this am

[daring meteor]

What's the least colorful Model 3 game? Dirt Devils?

[cerulean elk]

I dunno if any game would be described as NOT colorful

[daring meteor]

Yeah hahaha, exactly

[cerulean elk]

but Dirt Devils would be a good candidate

brightest would be Magical Truck Adventure IMO

[daring meteor]

Honestly pretty hard competition

[cerulean elk]

thats why Model 3 has aged so gracefully; bright poppy primary colors, solid texture work, etc

[daring meteor]

I remember when Supermodel got 16:9 and I thought this was the littest thing ever

[devout leaf]

Sega Rally Championship always pops into my brain first.

Such a good looking game

[cerulean elk]

its hard to find an ugly Model 3 game

[zinc dew]

perfection

[cerulean elk]

should just rename it Goemon Quest

[cerulean elk]

well thats a thing that exists apparently 😆

[languid ore]

It's just the choppy, low frame rate. If there was a little bit of motion blur from the panel (think older LCD) or something I don't think it'd be as bad.

[deft tree]

Brian just wants some Totinos

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk don't forget to inhale in your videos

[cerulean elk]

Bit under the weather this week so you do what you can

Sinus infection. Fun times 😂

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk https://vampier.net/N64/

[cerulean elk]

Eh?

[orchid nimbus]

you know about this page right? It will get updated when the core develops

[cerulean elk]

Yes I do. I’ll show it in a vid shortly

[orchid nimbus]

oh it's very basic as of now - how to get the core to work

[cerulean elk]

I’ll talk about and do a prelim setup tutorial in a bit

[wanton sun]

you may want to wait for the point where both PIF files(ntsc and pal) are in place and switchable

i could implement it now already, but there is no point yet as the homebrew doesn't care and games are not running yet

[cerulean elk]

Don’t worry, no time soon. 99% of my audience doesn’t even use the Saturn core in its current state. I won’t do a setup tutorial until late stage and I’ll run the info by you in DMs

[compact depot]

Saturn core is unusable for me

[zealous hull]

iirc, you need a specific main build?

Though that may be obsolete info at this point, sorry.

[remote hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg-gif-15130785

[worldly flint]

Yeah it's obsolete. Currently the main issue is you need to rename the bios file to bios.bin

[languid dune]

I'm the rebel who renamed it to boot.bin.