Nintendo 64

[zinc dew]

@wanton sun thank you for doing this core. You’re making a lot of people happy, including me.

[broken viper]

I literally thought it was impossible on the current hardware.

[orchid nimbus]

@broken viper same was said about the PSX core

[stone pilot]

The same was also said about OutRun and uh, I think Neo-Geo?

though I guess for OutRun, PSX, and N64, people were technically right: getting them on DE10 takes a little bit of "cheating"

[modest helm]

N64 is my favorite console so if we get it in its completion on MiSTer, everything else will be gravy for me

[lament escarp]

What kind of cheating? The psx core is the closest to og hardware I've played. Almost makes me regret getting an xstation.

[worn delta]

What's the next part that Robert is taking on for the core?

[orchid nimbus]

RDP DSP

[quick arch]

#1096015979055697940 message

[zealous hull]

It's not necessarily cycle-accurate. Cycle accurate timing couldn't actually exist on the hardware, so some clever shortcuts were taken.
As far as I know, said shortcuts have little to no impact on the performance itself.

N64 is being treated the same way, I'm holding my breath that enough corners can be cut to provide PSX-level performance and compatibility. But we shall see. Regardless, it's incredible work.

[topaz otter]

Thats what they said about doom on the 32x

[hollow rune]

Speaking of OutRun, was there any word on a finished Super Hang-On?

[stone pilot]

All I know about Super Hang-On is that you can unlock it in Yakuza 0

[hollow rune]

I think Jotego had a beta, but I never heard anything else. Maybe it will finish with OutRun

[cerulean elk]

I will stand by my review: PSX core is a better PS1 than a real PS1

[modest helm]

Save states make it so imo

[orchid nimbus]

true true

[lament escarp]

I wouldn't say better per se, I have an xstation, memcard pro, retrotink 5x and retrofighter wifi controller and think it's on par. But you need to invest A LOT into it to get it to mister level.

[cerulean elk]

It’s as good as that…for cheaper…and you get a lot more out of MiSTer

[lament escarp]

Which is why I almost regret getting one before I knew mister was a thing. But: you cannot argue the decorative value of a genuine ps1 under your tv. 😉

[modest helm]

It’s better because of the QoL features, the fact that I can use any controller, have save states. Even if one solution is slightly more accurate, all those features in addition to all the other cores makes it better

I’m one of those people that likes to be able to play all these games on one device so will gladly sell my Everdrive 64 if all N64 games work

[thorn flax]

it currently can't do one of my favorite ps1 functions taisen cable support

[modest helm]

Being able to use any controller is a big deal for N64. GoldenEye and Perfect Dark play great on emulator with dual sticks when you map the C-buttons to the right stick. Would be great to do this in MiSTer

[gaunt star]

Agreed, I won’t be looking for any non-snac solutions for n64 controllers

Which is unfortunate bc I’ve avoided any snac adapters up until now

[brisk edge]

You can technically use a blue retro adapter to do that though

[gaunt star]

Oh I guess I didn’t agree, misread your comment

The acceleration of the analog stick seems like it will be a bugaboo for any BT controller

Except for the official one

The NSO one

[lament escarp]

You can also use the 8bitdo mod with a og stick or steelstick if the nso is unobtainable, as it usually is.

[orchid nimbus]

@silent marten did you create a compatability spreadsheet yet?

(I would keep in read only except for trusted testers)

[silent marten]

Not yet

[orchid nimbus]

if you have let me know - I'll add it to the page

[silent marten]

But sounds like 2 weeks or so I will need to start it

[orchid nimbus]

yup

it's fun to do all this stuff again - same as we did with the PSX

[silent marten]

I know

[orchid nimbus]

let FPGAZumSpass focus on programming while we sort out the noise

[silent marten]

RSP and RDP need to be implemented before I do it

Maybe just 1 but you know it is pointless to state only 1 game works right now

We know TLB games are not gonna work at the moment

[inner bronze]

Someone find a polynomial algoritm for boolean logic optimization so we can cram even more circuitry into MiSTer

[cerulean elk]

hey @silent marten changed his avatar image

[silent marten]

Yeah I changed it a while back 🙂

How ya doing Mr Bacon?

[cerulean elk]

better today lol

[silent marten]

Good to hear bro

[primal bolt]

I challgen you both to a THQ N64 wrestling match 2vs1

[silent marten]

Me and Awbacon vs You @primal bolt?

[primal bolt]

yes for $800

[silent marten]

You still want that $800

[primal bolt]

lol

man if mister ever got netplay it would be amazing

[silent marten]

If it happens it better go up on VGE 🙂

And yeah it needs netplay for it to really work

Or me and you will need to go to Awbacon's studio 🙂

[primal bolt]

retroarch netplay is pretty good. not sure if its possible on mister

[cerulean elk]

if I can get a video out (albeit with a stupid mistake) while enjoying the effects of a kidney stone, I can make sure to do a video on that lol

[primal bolt]

damn... kidney stone. must be painful

[silent marten]

Hope effects of that pass soon bro

[cerulean elk]

they did last night...back to normal. Bit groggy from the meds but no more pain!

[primal bolt]

pain killers?

[silent marten]

Good to hear 🙂

[cerulean elk]

morphine in the ER and hydrocodone at home...shits gross

I stopped taking it and just went to ibuprofin because I couldn't stand how they made me feel

[primal bolt]

good... they are addictive if you like how they feel

mentally and physically

[silent marten]

Would I call hydrocodone codeine in the UK?

[primal bolt]

hydrocodone is percocet

if I recall

[silent marten]

OK

[cerulean elk]

I dunno what it is...but that shits the worst

[primal bolt]

Tylenol 3 has codiene

[cerulean elk]

Id rather the pain

[primal bolt]

I love it

but i dont take it cause its bad for you

does help with pain though

you could jut drink if you are in too much pain also

alcohol will numb pain

[old vortex]

It had a PAL release too, and I’m in Australia.

[primal bolt]

Ibuprofen never helped for me

maybe it helps with headaches or something

[cerulean elk]

my wife may have wanted to kill me when I rescheduled videos from the hospital bed...moved Sat vid to Sun and vise versa 😆

[primal bolt]

lol

itll do something if you take more than one

[cerulean elk]

I never take anything stronger than basic over the counter headache shit. Probably why my body hated it all

[primal bolt]

i have a high tolerance

when i had wisdom teeth pulled I took like 6

[cerulean elk]

I am stubborn and usually fix myself at home and roll around groaning. Last time I dumped my bike I just kinda superglued shit up and dealt with it...but the kidney stone...within 20 minutes of waking up in pain I finally listened to my wifes insistence we go to the ER

she was NOT wrong

[primal bolt]

how did you realize you had a kidney stone... I mean what is the symptom sign

[vapid hawk]

migraleave is the shit for headaches

[primal bolt]

sharp pain

[vapid hawk]

is it kidney stones thats meant to hurt worse than childbirth?

[cerulean elk]

apparently

[primal bolt]

damn

thats scary lol

[vapid hawk]

yeah they suck

[cerulean elk]

not being dramatic...and I think my pain threshold is just "average"...but it was fucking BLINDING pain

[vapid hawk]

thankfully modern treatment is very good? none-invasive, ultrasound thing

[cerulean elk]

pain Ive never experienced before

[primal bolt]

in lower abdomen?

[vapid hawk]

yeah its like fall over and pass out, incoherent, definitely don't drive kind of pain

[cerulean elk]

I went down in the ER waiting room. Straight up crumpled and passed out

[primal bolt]

wow

[vapid hawk]

hopefully they figured out what was wrong with you

[primal bolt]

do you eat alot of sugar?

[cerulean elk]

no. I always drink water, diet is fine, weight is fine...just "it happens sometimes"

they did a scan of my kidney...no more in there. Just one little rock

[primal bolt]

surprised i havent had one

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk welcome to the group 😄

[vapid hawk]

they kind of do just happen it doesn't really depend what you do

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk they should do a urine test and see what kind of uric acid you produce 😄

[vapid hawk]

a few things have vague correlation

[orchid nimbus]

if you capture the stones when they come out that will help too

[primal bolt]

it has to be what you ate during your life

or drank

[orchid nimbus]

diet soda does funny things

[cerulean elk]

got it in a cup

[primal bolt]

yea diet soda and regular soda is horrible

[orchid nimbus]

good

[vapid hawk]

it probably depends on so many subtle things we can't even tell, or it could just be totally random like, exactly the shape of your kidneys internals

[primal bolt]

I quit soda a long time ago

I only drink water and beer

[vapid hawk]

i've heard people saying drinking too much tea or coffee causes them

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk did your body make sure that all the contents of your bowels/stomache was evacuated?

[primal bolt]

2 cups of black organic coffee a day is good... it cleans the liver..... but you dont want to drink more than that

[vapid hawk]

oh there's actually multiple kinds of stones too

[orchid nimbus]

@vapid hawk yeah about 6

[vapid hawk]

they all have different causes

[orchid nimbus]

depends what crystalizes in your kidneys

[vapid hawk]

yeah

[orchid nimbus]

the best thing to do it drink a lot of water during the day

[vapid hawk]

well yeah but thats just always true 😄

we're machines that run on water and sugar

[primal bolt]

cyborgs drink heroin

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-joe-psa-download-piracy-gif-9222249

[primal bolt]

downloading is good for mental health

[primal bolt]

Notendo

[primal bolt]

I know someone who had like 9 kidney stones

[brisk edge]

That sounds truly awful

[orchid nimbus]

@primal bolt I pissed out 6 at one time - diet cola

[primal bolt]

really?

[orchid nimbus]

yeah - I was glad I really needed to go

it didn't hurt going through the end tract though

just blob .....blob ....blob .blob blob blob blob blob

[primal bolt]

wow... lucky it didnt hurt

[orchid nimbus]

it hurt like a mother f----- when they came out of the kidney

[primal bolt]

ohh

[orchid nimbus]

ER told me to go to my regular doctor - I told them... my regular doctor is 100Km away

just as I said that I barfed all over the place

[primal bolt]

lol damn

thats crazy

[orchid nimbus]

your body goes into shock mode - bowels and stomache contents needs to come out

trembles - cold sweat

[primal bolt]

im surprised i havent had one yet

[orchid nimbus]

no matter how you move your body you can't escape the pain

[primal bolt]

i drank alot of soda as a kid

[orchid nimbus]

so last time I felt one come on I downed 1.5 liters of water

and said - game on

[primal bolt]

ate a lot of candy too

[orchid nimbus]

they went pretty fast - only suffered for 2 hours

went to the ER at hour 1 - by the time I laid down on the bed it all of a sudden was over

[primal bolt]

is it even worth going to the ER?

[orchid nimbus]

doctor had to laugh when I told him what I did

if you don't know what it is - or if you are in a lot of pain - yes

[primal bolt]

alright

so its a sharp pain in kidney area?

i guess id be going either way

i wouldnt know what it is

[cold pollen]

I thought I had a kidney stone not long ago

Had the constant urge to pee, they tested and it wasn't an infection

One day it just stopped without any noticeable stone etc.

[orchid nimbus]

@primal bolt is starts out as a really bad backpain

it could be confused as one

then it slowly creept to the side

[primal bolt]

i get alot of backpains but from inuuries

so i probably wouldnt be able to tell

[orchid nimbus]

then to the front a bit - when you're at that stage they will go into the bladder and the pain stops

oh you would

back pain goes away a bit when you twist your body

[primal bolt]

like sometimes i get a back pain where i almost collapse

[orchid nimbus]

this is constant

ouch

[primal bolt]

but thats a quick sharp pain

goes away fast

[orchid nimbus]

kidney stones are like if someone keeps on punching you in the side over and over and over again

it pulses a bit - but it's constant

[primal bolt]

which side

[orchid nimbus]

you have 2 kidneys

pick one 😄

[primal bolt]

lol

alright ill keep that in mind

[orchid nimbus]

having blood in your urine is normal

[primal bolt]

00f

i can imagine the pain

[weary palm]

#kidneystones

[orchid nimbus]

kidneystones64

[weary palm]

They gave me morphine when I got mine. Always something.

[orchid nimbus]

they gave me a bill

[orchid nimbus]

drinker water every day

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-rap-hip-hop-west-coast-crips-gif-24898891

[cold pollen]

Yeah we're big water drinkers, whole family has insulated bottles by our side 24/7

[topaz otter]

It certainly is better than the ps1 classic

And the ps2 in backward compatible mode is also pretty hard to beat

I cant remember is that software or hardware

[modest helm]

Mortal Kombat Trilogy isn’t playable on PS2 so that’s a huge flaw

[cold pollen]

Hardware I think, PS3 was hardware at first as I recall then they did a software emulator then nuttin

[hearty python]

Later Models since 2005 are Software based. There was a PowerPC 405 Chip with an IOP Emulator running as CPU.

[hearty python]

Only the first US PS3 was real Hardware based, both Chips are present. Later only one Chip, the other was Software emulated.

[cold pollen]

thought so

[hearty python]

But runs good. My 60GB launch PS3 played all my PS2 games, never found an error with my games i had.

But i found Errors with PS1 on PS3 Super Slim.

[rapid prairie]

Sorry to keep asking, I don't feel like this is breaking any rules since they are demos - but does anyone have links or a zip to all these fun n64 demos people have been testing? Also is the n64.rbf available anywhere to download or is it build it yourself/tied to Robert's patreon only currently?

[worn delta]

I may be wrong, but if you look on archive for the Everdrive N64 pack it has demos in thete

[languid ore]

If somehow this could be supported over the network stack that'd be amazing. Imagine just doing a direct connection to a friend over the interwebs? Perfection!

[rapid prairie]

thanks everyone! Appreciate it. Can't wait to mess around with these

[solid crest]

@orchid nimbus do you know the difference between the two US NTSC bios files listed here? https://vampier.net/N64/

[orchid nimbus]

@solid crest no clue

I just list sha1 values

The only thing the BIOS does (if I understand it correctly) is set registers and dump the first 1MB to RAM

That’s why it’s only 2KB

Probably mostly padding of the 2nd Kb

[devout leaf]

So wild to be looking for an N64 bios file.

PIF Rom Dumper is asking to extract the first 0x7c0 bytes from the SRAM save. That with a hex editor?

[orchid nimbus]

1984 bytes

[native mesa]

Where are things at in terms of how much it appears will fit on the FPGA vs offloaded to HPS?

[compact depot]

0% will be offloaded to HPS

[zinc dew]

kidney stone core wen?

[orchid nimbus]

never

[native mesa]

Wowwee

[compact depot]

Zeebo emulator wen?

[cerulean elk]

Nice 🤣

Here’s how you do it…take your mister stack. Put the pointy edges into your stomach…about 4 inches to the left of your belly button. Have a friend running drop pick the MiSTer. Repeat every 30 seconds for two straight days

1:1 experience

[raw oriole]

My trick for avoiding additional kidney stones, which applies to the sort of stone that's from simple low hydration: Double the size of all your cups and glasses. Continue to drink the same number of them. I instituted this after my second attack which put me in two days of fever and well over a week of recovery. Hasn't happened again, seven years or so since. What I do have from that second episode is a scarred ureter, and occasionally if I under-hydrate on a hot/energetic day, it'll get me back for it and I'll have four to eight hours of kicked-in-kidney sort of fairly dull but severe pain.
Keep drinking those fluids!

Or if you have a more complicated kidney stone reason, change that diet appropriately!

[zealous hull]

To be fair to them, they've already state that they drink a lot of water and are otherwise quite healthy. The same can be said for my father. Unfortunately they can still happen. Sometimes it's just bad luck.

[raw oriole]

Or not hydration related. Even then, keeping everything soggy will still help, if only by reducing how much the horrible things rub against the insides of your tubes.

[zealous hull]

If nothing else, everybody should be drinking more water.

Stay hydrated out there, gamers.

[raw oriole]

I didn't manage to catch any of mine for checking, but since doubling my fluid intake sorted it out they were almost certainly just hydration related ones. About 70% are.

In the UK, anyway. Different dietary cultures may have different ratios

Much sympathy @cerulean elk and anyone else who's had'em

[zealous hull]

I'm in the club too. Only had one, about 3 years ago. Asked my partner to take me to the ER.

Would rather not have another.

[zinc dew]

I have em every few years

It reminds me that I’m alive

[zealous hull]

It reminded me that I would rather not be alive.

[ocean lily]

nothing makes one feel more alive than a certain Quest

[zealous hull]

It was rough.

Oh, I haven't tried to say the forbidden phrase yet. Lemme try.

[raw oriole]

watches the modbot channel light up Nope, fail

[cerulean elk]

Lol we gotta stop turning this into kidney stone chat 🤣

[raw oriole]

Stop having them then 😄

[cerulean elk]

But yes I drink a horses worth of water a day

[ocean lily]

drink moar water

[cerulean elk]

Stop? I just started. First one. Hope to be the last!

[raw oriole]

Race like a piss horse

[raw oriole]

ILLEGAL CONTENT WARNING

Bit of a Streisand effect isn't it 😄

I'm not sure I'd even heard of the game before all this fired up

[elfin relic]

QUESて64

[woeful grove]

@ocean lily you know that isnt going to work

[zinc dew]

THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT

[ocean lily]

Quεsτ64

[raw oriole]

I preferred the kidney stone talk tbh

[woeful grove]

@ocean lily very well you have been marked

[ocean lily]

apparently 'е' and 'e' are the same

[raw oriole]

One pixel kerning different

[ocean lily]

more like blessed with a Holy Magic Century

[rapid prairie]

What is e46? I tried to run the n64niccc.n64 and get that error

[ocean lily]

that happens when the demo needs more Brian

[cerulean elk]

Qwest is worse than kidney stones

I see we’ve blocked all mention now 🤣

[neat sierra]

QuestLove64

[cerulean elk]

Bet Quest69 still works

Bingo!

[zinc dew]

I didn’t start the fire, it was always burning since the core was churning
I didn’t start the fire,
No, I didn’t light it even if @woeful grove fights it

[ocean lily]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[woeful grove]

if I was fighting you would know

[cerulean elk]

I’m surprised I can still write 3DO given some peoples hatred of the console around here

[woeful grove]

this is more like laying out rat traps

[zinc dew]

LOL

[cerulean elk]

What’s the punishment? Core that only plays that one game?

[neat sierra]

Eruteiru Monsutāzu

[ocean lily]

all good as long as it's Qυest64

[neat sierra]

エルテイル モンスターズ

[zinc dew]

~~ double cross Kitrinx ~~

noted

[cerulean elk]

People start getting banned for saying a games name. Then we can just change the mister logo to the hammer and sickle and move on 😂

[ocean lily]

should be Brian's face

[zinc dew]

I’m having the opposite reaction, I’m drunk with power knowing I can get game names banned

Well indirectly

[cerulean elk]

Rumor has it if you say the name of the game three times into a mirror in the dark a GOOD game appears

[zealous hull]

It's how I got my copy of FFVI.

[ocean lily]

but we already have the best game

[cerulean elk]

Bomberman Hero

[ocean lily]

Tetrisphere

[zinc dew]

Space Station Silicon Valley?

oh

[desert crow]

rumor has it awbacon has a

[ocean lily]

Bomberman 64 was great tho

always hated the grid thing

[neat sierra]

Pretty sure it’s Make My Video: Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch

[zinc dew]

that’s 32x

[neat sierra]

And?

[zinc dew]

I just got word back from my team that it checks out, carry on

[neat sierra]

It’s good you got some handlers

Need to keep the Robby brand solid

[cold pollen]

Hey guys I made a word search to help you find the best N64 game

[orchid nimbus]

Q U E S T 6 4

I see 'Funky Bunch' (2nd to last line)

[ocean lily]

found it

[cold pollen]

Okay it apparently doesn't allow numbers lol

[orchid nimbus]

this workfinder sucks btw - hardly any real words

[cold pollen]

Revised non numerical version

[orchid nimbus]

MarkyMark now

[cold pollen]

You only need one

[orchid nimbus]

seriously... funky bunch and marky mark

are you a fan or something?

[neat sierra]

Its accurate

Can’t deny the accuracy

[cold pollen]

I can't control what it uses for filler letters

[woeful grove]

aye comrade, now you understand raises shot glass of vodka

that was the wrong message but who cares

[neat sierra]

I’ve seen the historically accurate documentary Tetris on AppleTV. This checks out

[cold pollen]

Ahh Marky Mar

My favorite

[orchid nimbus]

yeah didn't cut the K apperently

[cold pollen]

And the Funky Bunchn

There are more

In the second one

[neat sierra]

Cmon cmon feel the vibration

Donnie D's on the back up
Drug free so put the crack up
No need for speed
I'm anti d-r-u-g-g-i-e my
Body is healthy
And rhymes makes me wealthy
And the funky bunch helps me
To bring you a show with no intoxication
Come on feel the vibration

Damn were these lyrics written by DARE?

D.A.R.E

[orchid nimbus]

Dat Are Real Eddies?

De Achterlijke Reet Eikels?

wow - google translate is not nice about the last one

holy beep

[neat sierra]

Eat ah fahkin burgahs

[cold pollen]

They're okay

Overpriced like five guys

Although the last one I had was better than normal

[elfin depot]

@zinc dew found you a new MiSTer carry bag for when the core drops:

[random portal]

I love this

[devout leaf]

Kidney stone brother🫂. I’ve got another one high on my kidney. Doctor says I may be lucky and it just stays there lol

[cerulean elk]

Haha I thought of that during it

[cerulean elk]

Shit. Hope it does!

[ocean lily]

y'all need to drink more water

[cerulean elk]

I drink enough water that they tested me for diabetes twice 🤣

[ocean lily]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[cloud peak]

Best n64 game

[orchid nimbus]

I'll take games for a console that aged the worst for $500 😄

[zenith orchid]

I wonder how capable the N64 is with just the CPU

[orchid nimbus]

I am looking forward playing Paper Mario on the n64 core

[zenith orchid]

I wonder if it's powerful enough to natively run a lua environment, and pico-8 on it

[orchid nimbus]

Bangai-O looks like fun

Yoshi's story same

[zenith orchid]

I used to play it on dreamcast

hmm never played yoshi story

[orchid nimbus]

by the time we're done testing n64 games we're going to all experts

at least we don't have to download 2.5TB this time 😄

[zenith orchid]

why would you need to anyway?

[orchid nimbus]

testing

we tested almost every PSX game out there

[zenith orchid]

ohhhh

okay that makes sense

still amazes me how solid the PSX core is

[languid dune]

It's excellent. I have the Dreamcast version. Never played the N64 version though.

[lament escarp]

What were the most difficult games to get to run properly? Are there any left that still have issues?

[chrome quest]

Same E46 error here, though not on that demo. Curious what causes it.
I get E46 on the HelloWorld demo. I can run Namco Museum, and the N64NICCC demo fine though. Maybe something in the INI?

[vapid hawk]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues

[native mesa]

Jonny Q U E S T 64

[fierce girder]

Looks like Tunic

[brisk drum]

When Robert was teasing what new core he was working on , I kept telling people it was a Zeebo core

[zealous hull]

I don't even know what that is. lol

[brisk drum]

It’s a game featuring a fox

https://tenor.com/view/tunic-fox-knight-3d-sculpting-daily-challenge-gif-25514140

[compact depot]

Zeebo is a crappy console release by TecToy from Brazil

It only has a single game worthing which is Double Dragon

Double Dragon core

[zealous hull]

Incredible.

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-family-guy-woah-woah-woah-wait-a-second-wait-a-minute-gif-17687820

[wanton sun]

Most time i spend on the Alien door/sound bugs probably. Or virtual pool 3, but that is still not solved. There are still several issues left, however most are either minor or have a workaround.

biggest step forward would probably be to exchange the CD emulation to low level CD controller with original firmware, but given that this would take at least the same time as the psx core itself and all games have to be validated again, i currently have no plans for that

[worn delta]

What's next on your list for the N64 core, Robert?

[wanton sun]

i'm currently doing something forbidden: i take 3-4 days off the core to finally complete TOTK. After that i will do eeprom handling and then start with the RSP

[zealous hull]

Take all the time you need.

[worn delta]

Hah, good for you! I am literally googling the best place to farm Keese as I need their wings to upgrade my glide armour so I can stop mistiming getting my paraglide out and splatting link on the side of mountains

[wanton sun]

i usually only do pauses when some feature is complete as i can't get it out of my head anyway and as the RSP will take rather long, i better do it before 🙂

and TOTK is a great excuse, didn't play any game where i felt that free in the last 3 years or so

it's so huge i will never 100% it, also i'm not the type for it, but all roots and shrines is something i want to have at least

[remote hatch]

I only spent 75 hours in TOTK 😄

[wanton sun]

i think it's impossible to see the hours without online account?

would guess i have around 50 or so

[iron dove]

its under your profile icon in top left of home screen

[orchid nimbus]

So many questions64!

[iron dove]

125 hrs here (so far) 🙂

[remote hatch]

I got a little tired of Zelda , finished BotW and TOTK right afterwards, a total of 145h haha

[wanton sun]

profile only tells me that it will tell me more when i connect to a nintendo account

as i don't plan to play any game online, i never created one

[iron dove]

ooh sorry, yeah I have an account but never had the paid online service

[wanton sun]

the map says it can save 200hours of path and it's about quarter full, so i assume 50 hours, but maybe it's more due to cutscenes and loading times

[devout leaf]

"Sorry everyone taking an extended break from the N64 core..."

[wanton sun]

haha, i couldn't even handle some extended break, it would start to itch after some days. But if there ever was a good excuse, this game is 🙂

[zinc dew]

Next time it starts to itch please see a doctor

A Doctor V64! zing!

[cold pollen]

I told myself this as well but when I got about 105 shrines and half the roots I went for all the temples, and at that point I decided I had enough to move on 😂

[fast swan]

Very excited about this N64 core looking forward to playing all the AKI wrestling games!😎

[native mesa]

One does not simply complete that chore of a game

[lament escarp]

So you finished the PIF? I don't mean to pressure you but I enjoy learning and reading up on the current feature you're working on actually is and does. Enjoy you time off!

[devout leaf]

No one ever talks about the GBC version

[sharp ermine]

In totk made the airbike that everyone likes so much and used that to fly around the depths and locate all lightroots, witch are easily visible from long distances. Once you have all lightroots you have the location of all the shrines in the overworld

[cold pollen]

Precisely

And vice versa if you're having trouble locating a light root

Some are in weird or isolated spots

@wanton sun are there parts of the N64 that are still not well understood and/or properly documented, that may be an obstacle in development?

[worn delta]

Wow, I didn't know there was a GBC Brian game! August Game Of The Month please mods!

[worn delta]

Are all the lightroots underneath the shrines? If so I did not realise that. I have just started exploring down there, but things tend to escalate to Dark Souls levels of pain quite quickly

[iron dove]

Yup, it hints at it in one of the loading screen tips

[wanton sun]

Also didn't realize that at all, will help me a lot

[wanton sun]

the RDP is still not completly understood with all it's side effects. Thankfully games usually don't use all features

the other parts...mostly. A lot of edge case behavior is not known, but it's typically timing then , not function

[wanton sun]

PIF is not finished, still needs EEPROM, controller pak, rumble pak, RTC, transfer pak. i Will only do eeprom now as it's required to boot games. The other things can be done much later

[cold pollen]

Is it wishful thinking to hope that perhaps you might be able to uncover some of the unknown in your efforts?

[wanton sun]

surely not in the first attempt, maybe later. As always my first goal is to get games running with the knowledge that is already available. Once that is good for most things, i will start to research more things and try to improve the overall knowledge situation with my finding to give something back. In my opinion that is the way to go. Every developer only has 1 life and it's not enough time to find out everything of such a complex system. So let's profit from the previous work to get up to speed fast and then don't stop there, but improve upon that so the next can build on that again

[lament escarp]

As far as I understand the PIF handles the cartridge verification and region check right? Will that get a "real" implementation or just a check that always says its ok?

[cold pollen]

Thank you for your answers!

[wanton sun]

we have to split the PIF in two parts there: the PIF processor that does the internal and external peripheral handling (controller, eeprom, CIC...) is one part. The other part is the PIF ROM, which is just a memory area that contains code the CPU executes right after turning the console on. Catridge checks happen in two parts: CIC as copy protection chip and cartridge CRC check. While the first is really done by the PIF chip itself(and is also missing in the core), the CRC check is done from the CPU by executing the code in the PIF ROM. This second part actually already happens as we use the PIF ROM to boot the n64 core. That's why you need the file. Many emulators just skip that phase and jump directly into the code of the game ROM

Oh and region check: there is a different PIF ROM for PAL and yes, that will be required at some point. The core will have to switch the region and which PIFROM to use, comparable to the psx bios/region switch

[sharp ermine]

Yes all shrines in the overworld have lightroots underneath them. The ones in the sky islands dont though iirc. A good beginnertip for the depths is to find a skeleton horse and use that to travel through the gloom. (Or use the airbike if you have enough battery)

[cold pollen]

I think I've only rarely seen a skeleton horse 🤔

[raw oriole]

If you happen to go the right direction after doing the first light root, you'll find a bunch

East, iirc

[cold pollen]

Depends on what the first light root is

[raw oriole]

The one you get sent down to see Robbie

[cold pollen]

If you follow the main quest though yeah

You could go down any hole any time

[raw oriole]

That's what Zelda said

[cold pollen]

Damn right

[cerulean elk]

checking in...is OUTWEST 64 playable yet?

or Chex Quest?

[modest helm]

I wonder if it’s possible to use both the rumble and controller pak at the same time. I know there’s a tremor pak that allows you to toggle. Maybe allowing the ability to easily toggle in the menu is ideal?

Also would the memory pak be handled similarly to the PS1 memory card situation where each game gets its own memory pak? Obviously the games with eeprom support don’t need it

[stone pilot]

Probably yes and yes. I'd expect pak selection to look a lot like PSX controller selection

[modest helm]

I’m most excited about the rom hacking scene the N64 is going through. Smash Remix, Goldeneye X, and Mario Kart 64 has some great rom hacks

Also would love to see these decompile projects making the original games run a lot better on original hardware

[stone pilot]

I'd like to try out the SM64 hacks - including the 60 fps revision if that ever gets made, yeah

[modest helm]

If they can get Perfect Dark optimized to run at a stable frame rate then I’ll be set

[ocean lily]

we only talk about good games

[marble cargo]

Like Iggy's Reckin' Balls

[inner bronze]

https://i.redd.it/vbqzqi9rribb1.jpg

[native mesa]

Shrines and lightroots and all other collectathon bs was the worst thing to happen to zelda. I find a shrine and don't even want to go inside it breaks up gameplay too much.

[cerulean elk]

That's crazy talk

all the physics and building based shrines...so good

[native mesa]

The puzzles inside are fine

[zinc dew]

I mentioned once yesterday lol

[sharp ermine]

I just activate shrines when i run into them on the way to an objective, then solve a bunch of them in one sitting when i feel like it. Imho zelda has always been a collectathon though, especially with the pieces of heart

[devout leaf]

To be fair I can’t read. Makes Discord rough.

[terse canyon]

i found the shrines in totk a lot easier than botw

[cold pollen]

Me too, which was good because the ones in BOTW frustrated me and I resented them

[mellow path]

Just a little tidbit of info on OoT Rando. Looks like Rando also doesn't change anything about OoT and TLB. It doesn't use it.

It's a ton of fun, and it'll be one of the first things I do once the core is running OoT

[chrome quest]

I wonder will vibration have a similar toggle. Someone with better knowledge can correct me, but I believe rumble pak vibration is implemented differently to the typical modern pad. Something along the lines of strength by on/off oscillation Vs variable motors.

Maybe different settings for original controllers with pak via USB Vs modern controllers. Not sure how emulators handle it

[cinder pagoda]

I played the piss out of the game online. Ran it with dual Voodoo 2 cards. Multiplayer was a blast!

[bright nacelle]

It is out of beta, but still has gfx corruption, line of color centre of track. Very playable though. Still haven’t 1 cc-ed expert and i tried A LOT.

[whole zinc]

I had a Voodoo 5 when I was a kid, had to buy a new tower just to fit it in.

Was huge.

[cerulean elk]

I put my MiSTers in the basement 😂 (I did not)

[viscid nebula]

"What about the kids?"
"I'll get to them, woman!!! Now get my SNAC adapters QUICK!!!"

[devout leaf]

Windy City got to windy.

[elfin depot]

This is why you have a bug-out kit ready

[cerulean elk]

Just some wind and rain. Nothing big

[orchid nimbus]

🇶 🇺 🇪 🇸 🇹 6️⃣ 4️⃣

hehehehe

[mellow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/falconpunch-smash-n64-gif-5441089

[bronze tree]

what machine is that?

it looks very cool and even has your name on it 🙂

[elfin depot]

My luggable MiSTer

[bronze tree]

very cool. With CRT?

[final walrus]

That's cause it is. I still need to beat the final boss...

[brisk drum]

Tornado touched down

[cerulean elk]

It did. Just further west

[brisk drum]

Cool glad you are safe G!

And your mister as well

[mild ether]

That's what I heard people saying in Joliet last night.

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/twister-movie-helen-hunt-bil-paxton-cow-gif-17038107

[cerulean elk]

Now redo it so it’s MiSTer Kun flying by

[brisk drum]

I ain’t got no editing or effects skillzzz

[mild ether]

No idea where they were talking about though.

[brisk drum]

Sounds like a job for a professional film maker!

[cerulean elk]

That’s motion graphics. I don’t touch that

CGI/Motion…someone else’s job

[brisk drum]

Dude you know what’s crazy ?

Frigging Fran Drescher aka “the nanny” is the president of the screen writers guild ?

https://tenor.com/view/mister-she-feeled-fran-drescher-the-nanny-flirty-gif-4578680

[zinc dew]

Big if true

[elfin depot]

LCD as original. Case is an old Dolch PAC that had no guts.

[zinc dew]

that’s AI art, I can tell

[zinc dew]

I think I see that image response once a week now

[orchid nimbus]

@zinc dew no it's no AI art

[cerulean elk]

N64 videos overtaking Sega Saturn videos as the best viewed...the mood has turned!

[brisk drum]

Noooooo!

[cerulean elk]

forget MiSTer...where'd you get those drawers?

[modest helm]

Of course. Nintendo is way more popular than Sega. Sorry, but the truth hurts!

[cerulean elk]

I could fit so many parts in that thing...and use the top as a soldering / rework surface

(loves all technology and making technology videos....lusts after wooden drawers in photo of MiSTer 😆 )

[modest helm]

Love that we're getting NGCD, N64 and Saturn updates regularly. Those 3 are big additions indeed

[rapid prairie]

random question, but now that I downloaded all the demo scene stuff from archive I thought I'd try it out on my everdrive. Almost none of them load? Was N64 demo scene stuff meant to run only on emulators?

[wanton sun]

but you have a ntsc N64?

i know that i had to modify demos to run on my PAL n64

[rapid prairie]

it's a japanese n64 so still ntsc but I don't think that would matter

[elfin depot]

Got it locally on Kijiji, the drawer height is perfect for Arcade boards

[cerulean elk]

Stop. I can only get so…excited 😂

[languid ore]

More people drink Jack Daniels than Yamazaki. Does that make Jack Daniels better or just more popular? Saturn > N64

[cerulean elk]

Except Nintendo vs Sega GAMES on my channel…Sega wins 10/10 times. Kinda funny how it all works

[compact depot]

People just realized that Saturn on MiSTer is really impossible 😩😔

[languid ore]

Clearly your viewers have refined tastes 😉

[cerulean elk]

I can’t “sell” Nintendo

[past mango]

The most obnoxious people are usually the loudest.

[cerulean elk]

Lol not sure how to read into that one

[rapid prairie]

I'm dumb and had a github error everything works

[cerulean elk]

not dumb. GitHub downloading is one of the easiest things to mess up...even when you know how NOT to

[hollow rune]

i feel like the N64 games will get more use from me, but I am way more taken with Saturn, because it is a world of games I never played

[zenith orchid]

I'm so excited for this core. There were many games which I didn't have the chance to play because I traded my N64 for a PSX back in the day

I was really into RPGs and there simply weren't any for N64.. wish I could've kept both consoles though

I would've liked to play the Zelda games, the FPSes, there were some really cool looking racing games that had a much better framerate than their PSX counterparts

[deft tree]

but none match R4

[zenith orchid]

Yeah..

[devout leaf]

How’s the trip through Hyrule coming along?

[wanton sun]

had no time yet, worked 10 hours/day for my regular job the last days...will try to use the weekend

[random portal]

we got the opportunity to test obscure stuff like that cheat CD for gran turismo I think?

[vapid hawk]

at least one person literally sat down and booted all 9000 games afaik

can't wait to do the same for n64

that bit where we all had like 5-10 games each we'd test every single build on was great fun

[woeful grove]

@oblique remnant we don't talk about quest64 here

[vapid hawk]

we need a sticker for it

it can replace this one 😄

[woeful grove]

but you are right, it's better used as a bottle opener

[oblique remnant]

Finally 😀 i wasnt saying either anything good about it

[orchid nimbus]

I booted all of the CHDs I downloaded - so that’s around 800 games

And that’s without retesting

[ocean lily]

We talking about Qцεsτ64 in here?

[neat sierra]

NinQuesto Questy4

[inner bronze]

Kweeste 4&60

[final walrus]

Holy Magic Century

... is not very good. I was a huge Nintendo baby and played it quite a bit due to lack of RPGs but that game has huge pacing issues. It's not as bad as people make it seem tho imo

[hollow rune]

That song from the first town is an earworm

[oblique remnant]

In here its actually the oposite. Praise everywhere 😀

[solemn maple]

What's your regular job, Robert?

[final walrus]

tbh I think they're morbius-ing it up

[thorn flax]

https://twitter.com/ima_1966/status/1679399102298357761?t=BYMNQ8n81fXu4eOzVGkpUw&s=19

今村孝矢 / Takaya Imamura (@ima_1966)

キャプテン・ファルコンよ永遠に！

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[topaz otter]

The goal is to turn it into a meme so nintendo rereleases it and it flops again

[sonic kiln]

Just coming back and saying I'm extremely excited about the regular developments here

Robert the hero the world needs

[weary palm]

but not the one we deserves

[final walrus]

Is imagineer still around? I don’t think so right

[zinc dew]

MiSTer FAST FACTS

The Nintendo 64 was named after a national tragedy in Japan where a very dense fog over the Yamanashi prefecture basin blinded drivers with 0 visibility causing the deaths of 64 drivers. Wanting to bring this horror to the rest of the world, Nintendo’s then president Nenlo Tendies, demanded that the console be named 64 and added fog to every game hoping to guide the spirits back to haunt every owner of the console.

[topaz otter]

They are

And they make switch games

[topaz otter]

This makes sense because the n64 library is literally the suicide forest of video games

Now excuse me while i bring holy magic to the 64th century

[elfin depot]

/unsubscribe

[quaint rune]

He’s a engineer… at subway. He will make you the best damn sandwich you ever had in your life.

[wanton sun]

Software QA. I do testcases and testautomation for regression testing on customer software. Mainly being the bad guy that tries to break your software, then putting the finger in the wound trying to let all bugs have high priority so they are not talked away as "customer can live with it". However, as i worked as FPGA engineer for 7 years in the same company before, i regulary do all kind off interface things where it's to much SW for the HW guys and to much HW for the SW guys. Overall it's fun and rarely stress 🙂

[uncut gyro]

I loved my time in QA, managed to work with highly motivated product teams and the extra polish I helped make happen sometimes led to awards

[manic basin]

Ex MS SDET here. Testing has been passed on to the customer in every company I've worked for 😦

[lament escarp]

I'm frankly amazed how you're working a fulltime job and still developing the n64 core at such a rapid pace. Can you guestimate how much faster the n64 core would progress if you could develop it fulltime?

[wanton sun]

I don't track that really, but i guess it could be be significantly faster. My "fulltime job" is only 32 hours per week(4days) so that helps a lot

but if there is something important in the job and i need to stay longer at work, i don't do any hobby work this day. Some years ago with the GBA core i worked into the night, but i don't do that anymore, it was not healthy and with such long projects it would just not be right

[zealous hull]

I'm really glad you're finding a good balance.

[mild ether]

I have a really hard time believing you manage to get these results so quickly in just your spare time after work. You really make this stuff seem easy.

[lament escarp]

Really puts most companies to shame. Imagine what would be possible if terasic would pay Robert to drive up demand on their boards.

[neat sierra]

Sometimes you think you’re relatively smart and productive and then you meet a Robert or a porkchop and you’re like “huh I was a lazy dumbass the whole time”

[wanton sun]

keep in mind that i developed the logic behind already in silence beginning of this year. So I now don't have to understand how it works anymore, but just build good HDL from what i already have

[lament escarp]

"Just"

[topaz otter]

Bad news my portable n64 died

Also bad news this thing is incomprehensible

I got 12v in, a ti buck converter to drop it to 5v and then a linear regulator to drop that to 3.3v

Why is that fan there, where does that wire go

[stone pilot]

This image makes my blood pressure go up

[topaz otter]

Imagine mine when i opened it, i made this 12 years ago

[cold pollen]

I have comments but some are not constructive lol

[raw oriole]

The stick needs a clean

That'll probably sort it

[topaz otter]

This was during the portable n64 craze

This is actually the third one, the others were abominations

[tidal glade]

my eyes are bleeding

[weary palm]

my eyes are depreciering.

[lament escarp]

I actually think you did a great job. This is what I imagine a human brain looks like.

[hearty python]

Cool that this thing run so long.

[lament escarp]

I tried the oot pc port and somehow it feels wrong with 60fps and widescreen.

[solid crest]

The OoT PC port doesn’t really run at 60 fps. The game logic and your inputs still run at 20 fps. The only thing that runs at 60 fps are the animations which are interpolated from the original 20 fps animations.

[topaz otter]

That thing is amateur hour anyway

Made this on which is supposed to be modular, i can make addons and atrach them through the io pins

[zinc dew]

@topaz otter the fact that you can put those together is pretty impressive, way to go man

[lament escarp]

Yeah, everybody here is so smart and I have a hard time making my own pokemon red romhack.

[topaz otter]

Thank, i do it as a hobby. Once i learned to prototype boards it got way easier

Also cheap components on amazon

I didnt have any of that stuff in like 2007

Had to do with scavenged parts🫣

[lament escarp]

I guess I'll wait for the core before replaying it. By then my 8bitdo parts will hopefully be here. Preorder they said. Shipment on the 5th of july they said. Liars.

[primal bolt]

I was just gonna post about that 8BitDo Hall Effect JoyStick Pre-Order

hope its good cause the only other thing I could find was SteelSticks which I have never seen in stock

[lament escarp]

You can also order replacement parts for the sticks from kitsch bent, they're supposedly good and rather cheap. But didn't test it myself and don't know how long those parts will last.

[vapid hawk]

yeah the 8bitdo stick is gamecube style, not really the same

[inner garden]

We running any insane games yet? I see an update 4 days ago

going to compile it

I dunno if it's just first time but it takes ages to open on my beast computer.

[primal bolt]

Oh is it? Well I really only care if its as accurate. You don't have many choices to fix these terrible sticks.

You got SteelStick64, Hori Mini controller, Switch N64 controller, and 8BitDo replacement stick. Is there anything else?

SteelStick is probably the best but impossible to get...... never tried Hori Mini....... Switch supposedly isn't as good as original? ..... and then 8BitDo which we dont know yet

I guess its easier to get SteelStick if you buy it in separate parts

but still parts are out of stock a lot

https://steelsticks64.com

I dont see the actual metal stick for sale separately either

[vapid hawk]

repairing oem pads with the kitsch bent parts is #1

then NSO controller

then the retrobit tribute64

[primal bolt]

you got the kitsch link?

[vapid hawk]

https://store.kitsch-bent.com/collections/replacement-parts

[primal bolt]

thanks

[vapid hawk]

@woeful grove would you mind pinning that maybe ^

[primal bolt]

so you get the bowl, the gear, and the thumbstick?

[vapid hawk]

yep

sometimes your existing sticks are ok, sometimes not

[woeful grove]

what, a replacement part site?

[vapid hawk]

yeah they make n64 pad replacement parts

[primal bolt]

Why is this better than SteelSticks though

[vapid hawk]

its about 98% cheaper, and its in stock

[woeful grove]

sure I guess

[vapid hawk]

ta

[primal bolt]

oh yeah.... i mean other than price and availability

you can combine the parts too... like get the steelsticks metal bowl

[vapid hawk]

the end result isn't better than a perfect steelstick (probably, i've never touched one) but steelsticks havn't been sold for years

sure, get the steelstick later if you can, don't count on it tho

[primal bolt]

alright

yea the steel bowls are sold out

[vapid hawk]

they literally sell about 5 a year, presumably straight to bots setup to scrape the page

[primal bolt]

lol jesus

[vapid hawk]

i got the KB parts while i was waiting, that was about 3 years ago

they're good enough that i don't even really care

[primal bolt]

true

ill get the KB for now

raphnet is the best USB adapter at the moment right?

im sure that will change

[vapid hawk]

yeah not sure i don't actually have any adapters yet

raphnet or mayflash seem to be the options

[primal bolt]

im gonna get a gold, watermelon, grape purple, and clear smoke controllers

they all look good though

[orchid nimbus]

just like the pokemon game names

pokemon magenta

[primal bolt]

i dont like the non clear ones other than black and gold

[orchid nimbus]

pokemon gold

pokemon blue

[deft tree]

I accidentally wound up with 3 atomic purples

[orchid nimbus]

pokemon red

[primal bolt]

lol

i use to have atomic purple

[orchid nimbus]

FFS TTS

[primal bolt]

grape purple is much nicer

i had orange, atomic purple, gold, neon green

and a blue and green (non-clear)

red (non-clear) is the worst I think

bad part about gold is eventually it starts to rub some gold off on the bottom. you probably cant even find one used that isnt missing some of it

that goes for any gold controller though

the layer of paint on top wears off in certain spots

[zinc dew]

Hori Mini is not a good controller, unless you have tiny children hands then it’s a good controller.

[primal bolt]

cant be smaller than using the middle handle on an N64 controller

[vapid hawk]

they moved the dpad on the tribute64, its much nicer

[primal bolt]

but how does the stick compare

[vapid hawk]

its a different style so 1:1 comparison is hard, but ti draws the right shape in the controller test

doesn't bug out in sensitive games like buck bumble, and i can still do backflips in mario64

best of the immitators

[primal bolt]

im goin with klitsch

klisch whatever

[vapid hawk]

thats also the cheapest option really so even if you don't like it somehow you can move onto other solutions

should easily be able to ebay pads you rebuilt with those parts for a profit

[primal bolt]

i imagine it feels like a new OG stick

[vapid hawk]

its hard to be sure because new OG sticks kind of don't exist anymore, but yeah thats my impression

[primal bolt]

true

might feel better after breaking it in also

[modern sleet]

Have you not heard of pacman? Over 14 billion+ in revenue, thats pretty insane.

Robert is taking a nice long break getting light roots in Tears of the Kingdom, he's going to be MIA for a few months getting just those

[stone pilot]

We're also running - wait for it - Ms. Pac-Man

[modern sleet]

The core is pretty much done at this point

[stone pilot]

If Robert plays TotK like he plays HDL, then he's got a badass Zonai device tank that just zoops him to a new lightroot every three seconds

[modern sleet]

I played TOTK like I HDL, I climbed everything in the depths and took forever doing it

[stone pilot]

🤝

[modern sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-lisa-simpson-ralph-wiggum-im-learnding-im-learning-gif-4878723

This is how I feel working on any projects after robert releases any cores updates 🙃

[native mesa]

Remember when hotels had N64 controllers built in?

[cold pollen]

No

I don't know that I went to any hotels during that period though come to think of it 🤔

I don't think I did until I was an adult

[vapid hawk]

it was a thing somewhere

[native mesa]

I think you could get room service with it

Sorry it's some boob explaining it. https://youtu.be/HK_EPiRkFew

[vapid hawk]

oh wow it was like, cloud gaming before it was cool

[languid dune]

I remember when McDonalds had N64s.

[vapid hawk]

just thinking about touching an n64 controller in a mcdonalds is making me want to go wash my hands

[quaint rune]

Boogers and grease 😂

[brisk drum]

I’m old enough to remember GameCubes at McDonald’s

[cold pollen]

There were N64s before that

[native mesa]

20 piece for a kid? No wonder there's an epidemic

[ocean lily]

LodgeNet core wen?

[pliant pollen]

oh I have a lodgenet controller with the good stick

I modded it to use on retail n64

it's the best controller for N64 I've ever used by far

and I have controllers with perfect sticks I replaced and spent hours lubing and stuff

lodgenet V2 with good stick is really the best N64 controller ever made

[stone pilot]

I wonder if they were actually built in some way to be more durable, given the environment

[primal bolt]

yea but i wasnt going to hotels at the time so I didnt see one

[void hemlock]

I heard this is the place to talk about ℚᴜest64

[hollow rune]

Twitter is also such a place

[void hemlock]

twitter doesn't exist in my reality. I hope elon nukes it 😏

[hollow rune]

He is definitely making is worse and worse. I just wish there was a better alternative

[sonic junco]

return to forum

[sonic junco]

We had them, they were called forums and they were great

[void hemlock]

reddit I guess is my alternative. I rarely use it these days. I don't really use any social media anymore

discord replaced forums for me heh

[visual forge]

Hello guys, is there a test core to download somewhere?

[topaz otter]

Well looks like the board wont fire up

May be something got shorted, gotno choice but to gut the whole thing

This sucks

[zealous hull]

At least in my experince, I managed to snag a bowl. The waiting list was long, for sure. But I did manage to get one.

[devout leaf]

Are you hot gluing wires together?

[broken creek]

@vapid hawk got the Kitsch Bent refurbished original Stick installed into the 8bitdo N64 kit.

[vapid hawk]

nice

does it feel good?

[broken creek]

It’s not as smooth as an NOS original, a bit crunchy, but it’ll get the job done. The gears seem to play the biggest role in the smoothness. I feel like I’d be okay with paying triple just to have another plastic and less flashing and bumps from the injection mold process. I did wet sand the pivot points too. Still, that said, it’s still 90% to 95% of the way to the OG feel.

[vapid hawk]

it'll wear in a bit too

[broken creek]

Okay cool.

All in all, for a $3 repair I can’t complain.

This is what it replaced

[vapid hawk]

holy shit thats the worst i've seen lol

all that powder is where from the bowl being ground to dust afaik

[broken creek]

Yeah I got the controller for $5. It had a broken cord and loose stick.

Perfect candidate for an 8bitdo kit

[vapid hawk]

did you give the optical encoders a blast of canned air or anything?

[broken creek]

Do you ever reuse gears? The ones I took out didn’t seem all that bad.

[vapid hawk]

(they're on that little pcb)

[broken creek]

I brushed them off.

[vapid hawk]

that'll probably do it yeah

[broken creek]

Like actually brushed them, it sounds like I ignored them lol

[vapid hawk]

yeah sometimes i've reused the gears if they seemed ok

you can sometimes get a better fit by just like, fiddling with it too

wish i could say what makes the difference

some of mine just needed taking apart and putting back together a few times before they were perfect

[broken creek]

I just picked up some broken OEM stick modules online to practice making more. It was a fun process, I’d like to perfect it.

[lament escarp]

My 8bitdo set finally got shipped today. I'm really curious about the stick. The KB parts are already on the way, so lets see who is faster.

[topaz otter]

Soldered, but then i hot glued the solder joints because its non conductive

Why didnt i just use longer wire

https://tenor.com/view/why-just-why-but-why-monkey-gif-14872882

I also hard wired the ram expander

And heatsinked it so i could play turok 2

That part worked pretty well

I cant get this thing to output video, one of the caps was broken, that didnt fix it though

Im getting a flicker but no mario 😦

U13 is getting 12v and outputting 5v so the regulators working

[tidal glade]

You guys are amazing, I thought its just me and my damm self made job, but you did it

[lament escarp]

Maybe the display is broken and not the n64 "parts"?

[topaz otter]

Nah its hooked up to my tv, its definitely not switching over to composite. I got a stack of old pinouts here and schematics

Svideo may still work though

[lament escarp]

I wonder if Roberts code would be equally confusing and glued together if it was a physical thing.

[topaz otter]

No because he's a professional and i'm an amateur who builds stuff out of trash parts

Its also his living

If this thing doesnt work im tossing it in the trash, this is just hobby junk

[orchid nimbus]

Ben Heck is that you? 😉

[languid ore]

Literally unplayable

Did you end up greasing the bowl/spring/etc? Or cleaning up the stick mold at all?

[broken creek]

Yeah, I greased the bowl, spring, gear pivots and the stick where it enters through the gears. I wet sanded the flashing on the gears but I feel I may need to drill out the detents where the encoder wheels fit into the bowl. It was snug so the encoder wheels don’t freely spin.

[zinc dew]

Greased the bowl?

[broken creek]

Yes, and some of the shaft.

[uncut gyro]

hawt

[whole zinc]

buy a metal bowl and stick to stop this happerning!

[weary oyster]

Where do you get these?

[weary palm]

n64controllerbowlreplacementofmetal.gov

[vapid hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[whole zinc]

Metal sticks: https://oudini-shop.com

Got mine a from there a few weeks back, great quality

[lament escarp]

That's only the stick though, isn't the bowl the most critical part on an n64 stick?

[topaz otter]

The thought of a steel n64 stick scraping against a steel bowl

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-black-board-chalk-board-chalk-fingers-gif-5648943

Well gents this portable n64 thing ive learned a very important lesson

Flux is corrosive

And it rusts metal

[raw oriole]

It's very acidic. The stuff that's labelled "no clean" really means "isn't immediately fatal to PCBs, but clean it off anyway". The stuff not labelled that means "clean immediately"

And is often conductive, for extra lols

[lament escarp]

https://steelsticks64.com/
That guy is doing the steel bowl. If only he would sell more than 3 a year.

[whole zinc]

Lol the steel stick has replacement plastic nibs you put in it

To stop that

The metal bowls can be bought on eBay when in stock

[topaz otter]

Just play mario on the mister with an xb*x controller🫣

Welp heres the problem

Cpu pins are mangled

[little socket]

how

[topaz otter]

looks like I hot glued the edges of the heatsink

when I pulled the hot glue off the pins came with it, I wasn't smart when I built this, N64 consoles are so high now and replacing the cpu is a pointless waste of time

oh well this is the last ride for this thing, when @wanton sun finishes his core I'll just put the mister in it and turn the whole unit into a portable multicade

[lament escarp]

I think he's off playing totk... let's hope there won't be dlc before he finishes the core.

Does anybody know how starcraft is on n64? I'm always intrigued by rts games on consoles, but mech platoon is the only decent one I ever played.

[brisk edge]

Playable but a bit janky, there's also a Command & Conquer on the N64 as well

[lament escarp]

Oh, can't wait to try!

[zinc dew]

yeah same here, I own both for the N64 but never seriously played them. It’s cool that RTS made their way over to consoles at the time.

[carmine kettle]

nah you missing sega saturn core that will be the last ride probably.

[twin barn]

you can fix it with enough skill and patience

[orchid nimbus]

Kar-kwest64

[topaz otter]

no the cpu is missing a pin, its toast

i could take the cpu off another board, but theres no guarantee thats the only thing wrong with it

it had a good run, time to move on

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-wilfred-mott-salute-gif-5165008

[desert crow]

could chip away some plastic to get to the pin that's broken off

[broken creek]

You could use a rotary tool to shave away some of the lid to expose that missing leg, then solder a wire to it.

[topaz otter]

its also like five other wires

[broken creek]

So what Blue and I said X5 then

[topaz otter]

when I was building portable n64s I used to buy these things for 14 bucks at trade it

I must have killed a dozen of them

there's so many options for playing n64 games now this thing is really not necessary anymore

[broken creek]

You should be the person that makes the portable MiSTer. It’s your prophecy.

[topaz otter]

thats not a bad idea, I'm going to finish this thing

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and make a module with the mister in it

[broken creek]

Oh I missed those the other day. That’s pretty cool!

[topaz otter]

heres the second one

the revamp

[broken creek]

https://tenor.com/view/its-grotesque-nick-cage-nicolas-cage-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-its-preposterous-gif-25135501

https://tenor.com/view/ill-give-you20000dollars-for-it-nick-cage-javi-gutierrez-pedro-pascal-nicolas-cage-gif-25136028

[topaz otter]

lol

[manic basin]

I was waiting for the follow up gif.

Awesome.

[topaz otter]

also here's the arcade machine I built

along with the aforementioned portable

[twin barn]

be careful where you admit things like this. I'm pretty sure retro gamers will demand you be extradited to The Hague for this kind of thing.

/s

[viral wadi]

And glow in the dark

The kitsch bent stuff is good, but make sure u have some sand paper & joystick butter.

[stone pilot]

Metal can move against metal just fine, if it's smooth and/or lubricated. Your car wouldn't work otherwise

[primal bolt]

oh the stick is glow in the dark.... thats sweet

would go nice on grape purple

[weary oyster]

Is there a particular store that you know of?

[viral wadi]

its https://store.kitsch-bent.com/products/n64-joystick-thumbstick?variant=40627490193603 from them as well. i pulled out the calipers/ outside micrometer and got the sizing of the bowl to 1-2 thou of the original parts with some sandpaper. considered steelbowls, but ngl spending that kinda cash on n64 controllers seemed wonky. tested the calibration in everdrive, was spot on with almost 0 drift

will probably have to replace them in a few decades, but im fine w/ that and bought extras.

i have an n64digital hdmi modded jungle green n64. didnt think anyone would be able to build a core for it... whoops.

[primal bolt]

I think the steel bowls is worth the money to have perfect N64 controllers. Controllers are useful.

its expensive but I imagine its not cheap to have made either by one person buying small amounts at a time

that stuff would be cheaper if some large company was having it made in large quantities

[viral wadi]

yeah i defo thought about it. they were out of stock when i was sourcing all my n64 stuff. i might eventually do one of the controllers w/ it and see how i like it. maybe a daiei hawks one, would fit the steel bowl

[primal bolt]

as far as I know all original controllers and klisch bent the bowls fit

i had a couple of the daiei hawks controllers but i wasnt satisfied with the condition so I sold them

I like the idea of swapping half of the shells of controllers to make color combos

like you could get a clear orange and clear smoke controller and make your own daiei hawks. only difference would be that I think the hawks black part on the bottom is a bit darker

its more like a clear black

[viral wadi]

yeah, its not an exact match. i have all the funtastic colors cept the ugly purple one

[primal bolt]

atomic purple?

[viral wadi]

yeah its not my favorite lol

[elfin relic]

heresy

[viral wadi]

i love the grape one though

[primal bolt]

I dont like that one either. I like the grape purple

[viral wadi]

the smoke is my p1 controller

[primal bolt]

I want a gold, watermelon, grape purple, and smoke I think

hard to choose they all look good other than atomic

[viral wadi]

orange looks really good also. even the non hawks version

[primal bolt]

gold is my favorite color in general but the gold paint on the controller comes off on the bottom

yea orange looks good

[viral wadi]

yeah, gold def chips off

i think smoke and grape look the best, followed by watermelon and orange

[primal bolt]

gold chips off all controllers even dual shock 4

[viral wadi]

jungle green and lime look good also

[primal bolt]

even if you take care of it just over time your hands rub it off

[viral wadi]

yeah, its not durible

ngl, hdmi modded 64 is pretty nice. u can reset the system from the controller w/ hotkeys. w/ an everdrive, its basically perfect

the only issue was the price

i think i spent more on it than the mister, and we all know which one was better value

paper mario looks great in hdmi though

[wanton sun]

might continue tomorrow

dlc will not come that fast i guess

well before core is done, but not in the next weeks

[cold pollen]

I want to snag a new stick but looks like still no grey or even black

[broken creek]

At the low price, why not just order some clear or color sticks and swap them out once black and grey are available? It’s easy enough to just swap the stick.

Clear doesn’t look terrible.

[cold pollen]

Cause I don't use my controller lol

Also the stick is actually not bad I just figure why not swap it out at the cheap price

[lament escarp]

I ordered glow in the dark sticks, because I thought they're similar enough in color and, you know, glow in the dark.

[broken creek]

Oh I’d leave it then. Maybe just open it up to clean it and lube it.

[quasi storm]

Hey all. does anyone know the correct hash for the N64 pif rom? I cant seem to find anything useful

[remote hatch]

https://vampier.net/N64/

[quasi storm]

Thank you, this will help greatly

What is the difference between the two us versions? Just revisional differences?

It seems I was able to locate the second US rom, hash verified, but Im still having issues. it throws an E24 error.

[remote hatch]

demos work ?

[quasi storm]

Hmm, thats odd. it is working now. I was running the latest unstable mister main. rolled back to main v230716 and now it works.

Thanks again @remote hatch

Spoke too soon haha.

Should namco Museum be working?

[remote hatch]

are you using the big endian version ?

Namco Museum

[quasi storm]

Um?

[remote hatch]

only big endian version work

[quasi storm]

ah

ok...haha

Whew, what a ride. Found an endianness swapper onlione. now it works

[remote hatch]

cool 😄

[quasi storm]

Is it really that easy? Should I run all my games through? for future reference, I mean.

[remote hatch]

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[zinc dew]

I just bought an NSO controller

[broken creek]

Hopefully you like it. Stick feels off to me.

[remote hatch]

I don't have a problem with N64 controllers, I hate them 😄, I had to get a replacement with a different analog layout

[chrome quest]

I still get E46 error on some demos, no issue running Namco though

Regarding PIFs, noticed the EU version listed by Vampier is different from a reference hash I've seen for some emulators. Probably too soon for that to matter much though

[zinc dew]

I do, they feel the same as stock controllers.

My dad invented the N64 controller and won a lifetime achievement award for his n64 controller joysticks.

He saved the world they said.

[remote hatch]

my brain accepts only this controller

[zinc dew]

lol I bought that

I did the Kickstarter and the initial batch had the analog stick collide with one of the triggers

Like how do you not immediately catch that issue, amateur hour lol

they did replace mine for free though so I appreciate that

[remote hatch]

It was only with this joypad that I gained the joy of playing on the N64

[quasi storm]

I have one of those. I have a friend who just cant get past the M-shaped controller. I showed him this, and he said it was bittersweet.

Still, mk4 is a treat on this thing.

[remote hatch]

I never had an N64 in the 90s, it's hard to get used to this "M" controller now

[quasi storm]

His argument were so bizarre, though. He was like, "Dude, I don't have three hands!" And I would say, "Hold the analog handle with your left hand, and the button handle with your right..." to which he would reply, "Then why the heck even have this whole aother side?!"

He got me there...

I understand they wanted the stick to be front and center as the new way to play, but I sometimes wonder how much better it could have been if they had released the retro fighter pad instead.

Dude! StarCraft 64 boots!

[remote hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-23756243

[zinc dew]

It’s seriously a decent port lol

like if you didn’t have a PC it did ok

[modern sleet]

How many light roots you got so far? They were the bane of my existence haha but I did get all 120.. then have not played since 🙂

[orchid nimbus]

today's core is amazing 😄 it almost runs Oeust64

[sullen harbor]

If I recall the design philosophy was that it was supposted to be multiple controllers bundled into one. If you had a game that just required the d-pad you helld the outermost handles it functioned as a 6 button + Dpad controller a la saturn or genesis
IF you needed the analog stick for a rail shooter it was just the centre which held like a pistol grip
And if you needed button controls and analog movement you gripped the centre and right handles

[oblique remnant]

I wouldnt try that one. It could destroy your de10

[orchid nimbus]

my de20nano is on the way - glad I got my hands on it

[quasi storm]

I just said that it boots. I never said it was playable. 😂 It actually shows the N64 expansion pack screen.

[remote hatch]

yeah , i know 😄

[quasi storm]

I guess I didn't know what you were saying. Starcraft 64 is actually pretty fantastic if you think about it.

[viscid nebula]

Me who's waiting for the core to actually finish before getting a controller:

[devout leaf]

Psh I have three DE10s connected together by a usb hub. Thinking about taping one more on and running Xbox 360 games.

[lament escarp]

Wow I didn't know you could just string them together. How many for ps2?

[cold pollen]

Only two

[remote hatch]

12 x De10 = PS3

[orchid nimbus]

that's the de30nano

[remote hatch]

here is PS5

[lament escarp]

Honestly, since learning what a fpga actually is I'm suprised there aren't more applications using it.

[solemn maple]

Grabbed a used controller with a good stick for $25 today. Bit more than I hoped to pay but whatever 🤷

[zinc dew]

I thought the same as you at first but it’s really an extremely specialty device that wouldn’t bring much benefit to most applications we rely on.

[quasi storm]

Right? Wouldnt a useful fpga be super expensive?

[pure ocean]

Is the Retro Fighters Brawler64 USB any good? I could get one new for a good price.

[quasi storm]

Guys, I need a rumble pack...

[deft tree]

I’m up to 3 now but ones missing a battery door

[quasi storm]

StarCraft 64 is high res, isnt it? Is this a high res image?

[topaz otter]

It has to be programmed thats why, also a fpga is more expensive than a plain old microcontroller

[remote hatch]

you have to shake the controller hard , then the game will work 😛

[quasi storm]

Honestly, just seeing anything N64 related at all on the MiSTer is sort of surreal. Even more so than the PS1.