Nintendo 64

[lament escarp]

No, since I really dislike the analog triggers for games which don't use them.

[cold pollen]

I mean you don't have to use it

Just saying that controller exists

[inner bronze]

So whats the verdict on N64 controllers. The new Switch Online one or the 8bitdo modkit? I hear the 8bitdo one is hyper sensitive

[inner bronze]

So do I get both and let them wrestle to the death?

[brisk drum]

He means do your research first before making a decision

[inner bronze]

Ive done all the research I can without owning one myself

[mellow raft]

I think what they're saying is there's no right or wrong collective answer. It's preference

[lament escarp]

I think the 8bitdo will give you more versatility. If you like it you can get the gc style hall stick, if not you can get a n64 replacement stick or try to repair the original stick

The nso controller only uses the og n64 stick, which isn't compatible with og n64 sticks if it wears out and you want to repair it.

[mellow raft]

at the same time.... cost. And it looks like on the product page for the 8bitdo mod, rumble won't work on an OG N64... only Nintendo Switch Online

[cold pollen]

it might with the right BT adapter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGLBmfL34Gg

watching this now

[lament escarp]

Does it work with the nso controller?

[mellow raft]

https://youtu.be/Pt0nLlfek_w

Yes but it's finicky

You have to have a real rumble pak for the mentioned BT dongle to detect one connected

Idk if there is a newer one that doesn't work this way

[viral portal]

Doesn't the blueretro dongles act as a rumble signal/controller pak combo?

https://8bitmods.com/n64-blueretro-bt-controller-receiver-with-memory-pak-original-grey/
It does, yeah.

[languid ore]

We just need someone to make PCBs for all the major controllers that we can buy. 8bitdo controllers still aren't the fastest. The blue retro stuff is awesome. Wish I could do it with Saturn and Genesis controllers too

[lone geyser]

I believe Bootsector's ControllaBLE was going to hit those beats but ran into issues that led to abandoning the project

[marble cargo]

So I tested the NSO Nintendo 64 controller, and for some reason it's not detecting it at all through a wired connection on the MiSTer.

Not sure about bluetooth.

Apparently people had more success with using bluetooth over USB, which makes me question if it's some sort of DRM.

[zinc dew]

I connected my NSO N64 controller via Bluetooth and it worked immediately. The controlller database even has an entry for it so I didn’t have to config controls.

[viral portal]

Did it work at all via USB? I thought that was just for charging, honestly.

[kind nimbus]

Can't I just buy another god damn controller from 8bitdo when the N64 core is ready

My wife is going to start noticing soon

[iron dove]

its an inclusivity thing, for when folks with 3 arms visit

[wanton sun]

I played Spyro using the n64 NSO controller via bluetooth. Because the stick does not produce enough range for the PS1, Spyro cannot run, but setting the controller type to digital it will emulate the dpad with the stick and it plays good. Now judge me 😛

[vapid moat]

I tend to use D-Pad during controlling Spyro's charge and even played Spyro 1 with D-Pad before

Okay in my book

[quaint rune]

I used dpad with Spyro too. Most games I probably did with some minor exceptions. But using the 64 stick as a dpad ?

https://tenor.com/view/newspaper-gif-18150652

🥲 now a lot of the times the dpad is just a quick select for items in games. Zoomers will never know that we used to move with that

[inner bronze]

Resulting in crappy dpads on controllers

Loud and clicky

[cold pollen]

Those are the kind people want apparently

I hate them

[native mesa]

Since reddit is dead to me I hang here

[reef kernel]

I remember vividly, that the Ape Escape on the PS1 was the first game, that required analog sticks

That was a big deal back then.

The box had it written all over it, the reviews mentioned it like three times and I think there was even advertising around it

[deft tree]

it was dope

[zinc dew]

Ape Escape is great!

I used analog sticks on Gran Turismo. Right stick was accelerate and brake, worked well enough.

[neat sierra]

Hey guys it’s me

Your favorite game

[remote hatch]

hi Quest !

[worn delta]

'sup Brian!

[reef kernel]

I can remember!

[neat sierra]

Why will no one say my name? 😢

[topaz otter]

Im a grown ass man and whacking monkeys with a lightsabre appeals to me

[remote hatch]

ban

[devout leaf]

Because I can’t read 😢

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/neverending-story-crying-please-sad-wait-a-minute-gif-20321218

[neat sierra]

dreamy synth music plays

[reef kernel]

😂

[zinc dew]

Oh my gosh!!!! I love your video game!!!!

[reef kernel]

That's Link, isn't it? 🤔

[neat sierra]

Thank you, thank you

[zenith orchid]

obviously quake 64 😆

[lament escarp]

This channel is making me want to play fake quake 64 so much. Quit talking about it!

[zenith orchid]

hardware wise, it should be better than Saturn Quake

the filtering should make it look like GL Quake

yeah, PSX did a decent job

so, Quake 64 > Saturn Quake?

Saturn Quake looks so much better on MiSTer with the new update to the lighting feature

I might even prefer Saturn Quake over the original DOS experience

like you said it is pretty monotonous

that's one reason I was in the Doom camp long after Quake came out. Doom was just more vibrant and colorful

nowhere near as bad though

with 3dfx glide, it boosted the saturation and contrast of the colors

oh? never tried it, what was that like?

[trim seal]

Hard disagree on quake, that game was a lot of fun, and the atmosphere pulled you in. I think the first Unreal felt more like that.

[cold pollen]

Yeah I agree Quake was great, Enya soundtrack and all

[zinc dew]

Somewhere Trent Reznor is angry and he doesn’t know why

[cold pollen]

I had the cracked version so I went decades without hearing the OG soundtrack

Also, that soundtrack is overrated AF

No shade on Reznor

Just after all the years of hype I was disappointed

[zinc dew]

Yeah it sucks

[cold pollen]

The Menu screen music slams then it's downhill from there

[zinc dew]

Aubrey Hodges did a much better job than Reznor at the whole ambient soundtrack thing

I also heard Reznor was a royal pain to deal with to get Quake rereleased

[topaz otter]

during the early 90s he was becoming a real rock star and not a guy who dabbles in videogame music

[neon heron]

I remember that was around the time RAtM’s evil empire came out. That is my biggest association with quake because most of my friends just used that as the soundtrack.

[topaz otter]

the best part of quake was the cd player built in

so you could put in whatever cd you wanted and in the console you could play any track

[neon heron]

Yep

[zinc dew]

Yeah that was neat

[topaz otter]

we played the spice girls

because why not

[zinc dew]

lolol

did you tell the shambler what he really really wants

[topaz otter]

the fourth episode quake guy goes to spice world

[neat sierra]

Drugs

[cold pollen]

You could play any track on PC too

I used Enya lol

[topaz otter]

hey whatever works, quake doesn't have a unified theme

so why should the soundtrack

[cold pollen]

It went surprisingly well

[zinc dew]

Fun fact I learned from Kevin Cloud, Quake 2 got named Quake 2 shortly before launch lol

It was named something else and I think Activision got cold feet so they renamed it to Quake 2 to ride that game’s success

[neat sierra]

And the original name? Quest2^6

[teal citrus]

Nah. It's Quaker Oats 64.

[cold pollen]

This explains a fucking lot

[twin barn]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-mood-3gNotAoIRZsb9UHPnj

[languid dune]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-world-reznor-triceratops-mario-super-mario-gif-24358837

What's this about Reznor?

[cold pollen]

I just killed about 3 of those

[quaint rune]

The best triceratops. Can’t even be mad at them. Were probably coerced with lettuce from bowser into doing his bidding or something.

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/trent-reznor-gif-25683676

[cold pollen]

Kind of lazy that they were the boss of every fortress though

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/trent-reznor-nin-nine-inch-nails-gif-25683529

we need 4 Reznors

https://tenor.com/view/closer-nin-trent-reznor-gif-8116220

here is glitched reznor

[elfin relic]

turning out to be a pretty hot summer, I'm not sure we need any reznors

[chrome lodge]

That's a trent model

[void hemlock]

https://giphy.com/gifs/90s-nine-inch-nails-closer-ZlgsLcj52f3So

[modern sleet]

I feel like i've missed something glorious for the years i've had my 64

[quick arch]

is it Eltale Monsters ? 😜

[topaz otter]

Yeah quake 2 is pretty much the prototype bald grunting space marine shooting game

Quake 1 still doesnt have a real sequel

Heres hoping that the remake rumors are true

[gaunt star]

Truth, I bought Quake II CDROM almost 20 years ago and could not get into it. Recently sold it.

[topaz otter]

At least we got quake 4 by raven

[kind nimbus]

Pilotwings 64 stunted my growth as a child, just out of pure frustration

[zenith orchid]

Quake4 seems to be a sequel to Quake2.. if Quake had a sequel that would be awesome

[cold pollen]

I've wanted one since it came out

Quake 2 was super weird when I first played it

[orchid nimbus]

that's the company of his father (no joke)

[topaz otter]

His great-grandfather, George Reznor, founded the heating and air conditioning manufacturer Reznor Company in 1884.[13][14]

👀 you're right

[manic basin]

Pretty Heat Machine

[deft tree]

Bday present obtained

[quaint rune]

Happy birthday you old geezard, you earned it.

[devout leaf]

Happy Birthday!

[worldly quartz]

8bitdo n64 kit? Yay or nay?

[quick arch]

The demo N64 Seminar Demo - CPU by ZoRAXE (PD) starts to show something with the commit of today
and test of lemmy show time of execution also !

N64probe (Button Test) by MooglyGuy (PD)

NUTS - Nintendo Ultra64 Test Suite by MooglyGuy (PD)

View N64 Test Program (PD) (previously shows the text but it is not correctly center)

[devout leaf]

I ordered a few. I’ve had a good experience with Hall Effect joysticks and it looks nice.

[quick arch]

Chaos 89 Demo by Charles Doty (PD)

[remote hatch]

Nice! ♥️

[quick arch]

^^

Best for the last
Wave Race 64 - Kawasaki Jet Ski (Japan) (Rev 2) (Shindou Edition)

[wanton sun]

oh, first game shows something?

[quick arch]

yes !

[wanton sun]

it seems just stubbing the controller communication DMA does let several things run further

hopefully i can do the controller stuff the next days so some demos can be used

thanks for finding all these demos running now

[quick arch]

thanks for your time on the cores 🙂

[zinc dew]

You had a chance to make the first game Queszt64 and you blew it!

[zinc dew]

We had one chance for the first game to be Queszt64 and you blew it!

https://tenor.com/view/youblewit-adamsandler-billymadison-mrw-reaction-gif-5026843

[quick arch]

Sorry 😐 maybe it shows something I didn't try it.

[zinc dew]

Oh sorry, I thought you did that on purpose because I absolutely would’ve to antagonize myself lol

[zinc dew]

THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT

[elfin relic]

turns out the forbidden fruit smells like durian

[viscid nebula]

Thanks discord

[elfin relic]

perfection

[languid dune]

Discord took the day off today.

[chrome lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-24239187

[lament escarp]

It's beautiful

[topaz otter]

thats pretty incredible, what does E02 mean

[ocean lily]

means it should have been Quest Sixty-Four

[viscid nebula]

Kawu-est siddyfo?

[cold pollen]

qu'est soixante-quatre

[orchid nimbus]

Inderdaad

[quick arch]

https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64#error-messages

[lament escarp]

So cpu stall timeout? I'm really impressed on it showing anything without the rdp whatsoever.

[cold pollen]

Locks up on the first world in Super Mario 64 for me

[rapid prairie]

Wow can’t believe people are getting games to load something already. This is moving so fast! Now I want to get in on testing fun

[cold pollen]

I may have joked

[rapid prairie]

Oh lol. Either way I haven’t put any n64 rbf on my mister yet. Even the homebrew demos seem fun to check out

[zinc dew]

Core is working fine for me?

[carmine kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-gif-20454669

[brisk edge]

The day when everyone can play meh cancelled platformers is slowly coming, just give it some time

[long ore]

People who know better than most said that Saturn was impossible and 32x was unlikely because no one will pursue the Saturn

[marble cargo]

Wow, we're already getting retail games to boot? I was expecting it to take longer.

Though I can imagine it being in a playable state will still take time.

[zinc dew]

Yeah it’ll take a while is my guess but the fact that it boots right now is super promising

[stoic parcel]

Im surprised we've gotten that far, this fast.

[zinc dew]

yeah, I agree. I was really impressed when that was posted today.

[desert crow]

i don't think i've played that edition does that add rumble? and which language is the audio?(just curious)

[zinc dew]

Yeah, rumble is a nice improvement to Wave Race 64. They have it rumble in sync with your engine and hitting waves gives nice feedback. They also added ghost racing (dolphin representing the ghost) in time trial mode.

[desert crow]

i'll definitely check that one out

the shindou edition of mario64 added rumble also iirc

[zinc dew]

Yeah and it kept all the US changes too. Essentially the shindou editions are the definitive versions of those two games

[thorn flax]

wild that nintendo fans never made a fan translation for the shindou version of SM64

[brisk edge]

it fixes a lot of the fun speedrun glitches

[weary palm]

Most people ain't speedrunners.

[silent marten]

Ohhh damn, things really are moving fast

[cold pollen]

Tell me more about LCARS 🤔

[quick arch]

it shows just this screen and hangs on E06 error

[cold pollen]

I mean the demo itself 😁

[wanton sun]

with todays build you can press start and it will show this beauty....before hanging up

(will check in later today)

[little socket]

does it move?

[wanton sun]

no idea if it should move, but it hangs, so no

[quick arch]

A yt video is present here
https://n64squid.com/lcars/

[cold pollen]

Ooh thank you

[wanton sun]

i really need to look why the colors are often messed up with so many demos

it's the same with wave race

[ocean lily]

looks like a marvel movie intro

[viscid nebula]

I see things

That’s good 😊

Moving so much faster than I thought

[zinc dew]

that’s what she said

[viscid nebula]

[lament escarp]

Wow this looks like the tormented souls of Nintendo! I love it! Now make it scream!

[silent marten]

If anyone can make it scream it will be Robert

[wanton sun]

Switch N64 NSO pad benchmark on the core

up is slightly out of range for whatever reason, but everything else is great

[silent marten]

Woooooo

[lament escarp]

The colors are normal!

[wanton sun]

i have no idea why for some demos they are and for some they are not. But i will not know until i investigate

but today is pad day

(ignore the error overlay, it's just some debug stuff, the demo works fully)

[languid ore]

Where can I find this test rom? I bought some new sticks. I want to do a before/after

[lament escarp]

I want to press buttons too but 8bitdo is not shipping my kit 😦

[wanton sun]

https://github.com/sanni/controllertest/tree/master/N64-Port

be aware that this test rom doesn't boot on the core yet, i have to use a savestate from my emulator to skip the bootprocess to make it work

it seems all homebrew from libdragon framework has the issue, need to investigate

[silent marten]

You got this Robert 🙂

[languid ore]

Noted, thank you! I'll probably throw it on my Ever drive for now. Bought enough to change 4 sticks

[wanton sun]

good luck. Would be nice if you post results. Getting new n64 pads is nearly impossible and used ones often have some issues already

[vapid hawk]

could just be your particular pad acts like that, there's a lot of varience even on oem ones

[orchid nimbus]

N64 phone 🙂

[languid ore]

I'll make sure and post up my results. either through pictures taken on my cellphone or screenshots through the tink5x if it gets that functionality soon

[lament escarp]

How would you even export the pictures from the 5x?

[quick arch]

What is the best N64 pad to buy from 3d party ? (usb if possible)

[languid ore]

Doesn't the thing have a SD card in it? Been so long since I've done anything except play the damn game on it I don't know. I could be mistaken. I just saw the functionality being added to the 4k and I know some of the developments on the 4k are being back ported to the 5x

[wanton sun]

i'm not aware of any good usb pad with n64 controller layout. I tried 3 different ones and they are all far inferior to the real pad. But all have been cheap. I would buy a better one but they don't exist it seems. No one likes the layout i guess

[cold pollen]

They're all garbage that I've seen, both the ones I have can't bind properly for some reason

NSO wired maybe

[wanton sun]

NSO doesn't work wired on mister

[cold pollen]

Awww

[lament escarp]

It does not, which is also the reason why all settings are deleted when you update the firmware.

[cold pollen]

Well then OEM with daemonbite

[quick arch]

thank you for your returns.
NSO is not easy to find also 😢

[cold pollen]

No it's not

Timville is working on an adapter that does NES, SNES, Genesis and N64

And works on switch also

And Porkchop has his Reflex

[wanton sun]

old N64 pad with mayflash adapter

also C up and left don't work at all

[broken creek]

Here’s the new 8bitdo Hall effect stick. Sorry for the crappy cellphone pic.

[wanton sun]

looks good! does that need an old pad + DIY or can i buy it?

[broken creek]

Old pad. PCB and stick drop in replacement.

You can still use an OG stick though. I have Kitsch-Bent parts on the way to repair the old stick.

[cold pollen]

Yeah replacing the OEM stick with a new one might be better than using their GC stick from what I hear

[grand ridge]

This is the way to go. Just replace the bowl and gear set and you have a brand new stick. Use some lube before you put it back together and it will last a long time. Made my childhood launch N64 controller feel like new

[vapid hawk]

you might also need to replace the actual stick

[broken creek]

That's good to hear.

[vapid hawk]

depends - sometimes the bottom of them gets worn flat sometimes not

[broken creek]

I have Sticks, bowls and Gears on the way

I was holding out for a SteelStick but they're never in stock. It was actually your advice last week Freddo that made me put in a KB order.

[vapid hawk]

its a no brainer really for how cheap they are

[broken creek]

Super cheap. I ordered a sets to do 4 controllers becasue the shipping cost was higher than the parts cost.

[vapid hawk]

when they arrive you might want to go over them with a sharp knife or high grade sandpaper and just clean up the mould lines a bit

[lament escarp]

I'm in europe so I guess I'll order 10 sets of sticks to make it worth the shipment. That should last for the rest of my life.

[grand ridge]

I just wish I could find good button membrane replacements. None of them feel good, they lack the resistance of OEM membranes that aren't worn out

[broken creek]

Good to know, Freddo. Thnx!

[vapid hawk]

i think it used to be worse in the past because i read a lot of people online saying you pretty much have to, but mine needed only very minor touchups

mainly around the gears

[broken creek]

I donlt like the feel of the shoulder buttons after dropping in the 8bitdo PCB. I might desolder the shoulder PCBs from the OG PCB and put them on the 8bitdo PCB. 8bitdos are ever so slightly thicker so there is less travel with the membranes.

[vapid hawk]

oh, also, while disassembled, clean and lightly grease the big spring in there

helps make the stick feel smooth

[broken creek]

Shinetsu grease should work fine I assume? Seems to be the retro gaming/FGC lube of choice ayyyyyy 😉

[vapid hawk]

yeah thats the recommended stuff

just don't get any anywhere near the optical encoder wheel parts

[broken creek]

These are great tips. TYVM

Basically lube the spring and bowl correct?

[vapid hawk]

np, there's loads of guides online if you need pics or video of doing it

i grease the bowl, the spring, and the little notches where the gears sit against the bowl

oh also when you unscrew the stick enclosure, the spring is way stronger than you'd guess

the second the screw is lose it'll basically explode

hold it shut while you unscrew that then gently release it

[broken creek]

Will do!

[lament escarp]

I'm really torn between the 8bitdo hall stick and getting some parts from kitsch-bent. Guess I'll try the hall stick first when it arrives and than decide.

[vapid hawk]

the 8bitdo stick is gamecube style

not neccesarily bad but its going to feel totally different

[broken creek]

Yeah it feels different for sure.

I only play Doom64 though so it works well enough for me haha.

[vapid hawk]

for me i find using any other stick to play n64 feels weird and "off" to me

although the NSO one feels right, they did good there

[lament escarp]

I never had an n64, only played the games via wii vc. But I also like the idea of playing n64 with a hall effect stick on my fpga platform, seems so futuristic!

[broken creek]

8bitdo going the extra mile for Neo Geo CD pads, but skimping on a classic style N64 stick is weird. It's cool they at least used hall sensors though.

[lament escarp]

I'm hoping for a gc kit with hall sticks tbh.

[broken creek]

Hall for everything that sufferers from drift would be cool.

[lament escarp]

Thats for sure, but I'm a extra concerned about the sticks in my retro controllers because there is no easy replacement.

Dualshock 1+2 would also be appreciated.

[broken creek]

There's a fella on Twitter by the name of mariusheier that's making a PS4 drop in replacement Hall effect module. I believe his work is open source so hopefully it will trickle into those other areas. PS2 would be especially cool since the pad is unique with its analog buttons.

[cold pollen]

Oh yeah? Got a link?

[desert crow]

i have a feeling the pads that have a different ranges than n64 won't feel great with the core.

[vapid hawk]

https://store.kitsch-bent.com/collections/replacement-parts

[cold pollen]

Wow they are cheap

So what do I need, joystick, gear and bowl?

[vapid hawk]

yeah

and some good lubricant like shin-etsu stuff

[cold pollen]

I don't know anything about that, is that on this site?

[vapid hawk]

no i got mine from ebay i think

its made by honda or something for car interiors

[pure ocean]

I think it's time to start buying N64 controllers. Which one should I get? The simple USB replicas will probably do, won't they? I honestly don't like fixed batteries, as that often ends up in disposable items in the future.

[vapid hawk]

if you google n64 controller lubricant you can probably find loads of suggestions

i'd honestly say only the NSO and original OEM pads are worth considering

failing that just use something good like a ps4/xbox pad

[cold pollen]

they're pretty crummy

I don't know what they cost on ebay but I would maybe get an OEM one, maybe replace the stick, and get a daemonbite or similar USB adapter

Dang they're out of the colors I would use for the sticks 😕

I have a black controller and they're out of black and grey

[pure ocean]

Hmm. Maybe I should go for the original old controllers with the Mayflash robert mentioned

[cold pollen]

Yeah so long as it has decent latency that might be just the ticket

[pure ocean]

I also have original competition pro with adapters and sega controllers with adapters. If you all say the replicas are crumsy I don't feel like spending money there

[vapid hawk]

i don't see a good deamonbite style project but for n64 pads huh

[cold pollen]

Timville has one but I don't know when he's releasing it

Porkchop might have a reflex for it

[vapid hawk]

yeah reflex is going to support them i think

raphnet make one

[cold pollen]

I'd look into mayflash or raphnet if you need it stat

[desert crow]

did you see the pic of mayflash with n64pad that went from -127 to 127? so a range of 255

and the other pic with that went from -84 to 83, so a range of 168

[vapid hawk]

this looks not bad:
https://github.com/DavidPagels/retro-pico-switch

[cold pollen]

Timville's 4dapter will also do this

[pure ocean]

Okay, now I bought the Mayaflash on Amazon in US for 28$ (because it wasn't available in EU anymore) and an original N64 controller with "good/very fit" analog stick for 34 Euro on ebay.

[remote hatch]

Fire demo

[quick arch]

Pong by Oman (PD)

[remote hatch]

Melon demo 🙂

works good 🙂

Seminar demo

Star demo

[quick arch]

plenty of demos work now

[remote hatch]

yeah, great progress

[vapid hawk]

exciting stuff

[lament escarp]

Did anybody try q-uest 63-65?

[vapid hawk]

its really unlikely any games work given we're still missing the entire gpu and its helper

[remote hatch]

Plasma demo

Woohhaa raycast by krikzz works

[gritty current]

Do you think this one would work ok : https://www.amazon.com/Retro-Fighters-Brawler64-Next-Controller-Game/dp/B078KHKHPX ?
That's what I've currently got (in addition to https://www.hyperkin.com/controller-adapter-for-n64r-controller-compatible-with-nintendo-switchr-pc-hyperkin.html) to use with your core.

[quick arch]

Hard Coded Demo by Silo and Fractal (PD) sees no controller

[remote hatch]

Rotating demo

https://youtu.be/acNlryyJvBk

nice to play something 😄

[cold pollen]

Sweet!

[quick arch]

I get E6 after sometimes !

[remote hatch]

I only tried it for a while , but it's cool that it works 🙂

[quick arch]

yeah !

[wanton sun]

i don't know, sorry

so many demos working now, nice. I don't get how they can work with E02 showing on screen...i mean that's running a non existing opcode, usually should only happen if the code it executes is bad

e.g. not loaded correctly from ROM to RAM

will work on audio soon, maybe we can hear something with these demos then 🙂

[quick arch]

I will check sound with Spice Girls demo 😁

[wanton sun]

this demo might be better with the wrong colors 😅

[quick arch]

Rayman 2 - The Great Escape (USA) (En,Fr,De,Es,It)

[zinc dew]

So many N64 demos, I wonder why

[silent marten]

I think at this stage RSP and RDP will be better than sound tbh

[versed cairn]

This is so cool! I love seeing these little signs of life

[zinc dew]

After all the saving the world stuff, Spyro deserves some chonk

[versed cairn]

Chunk spyro is such a crowd pleaser lol

[wanton sun]

sure, but sound is like 1% of the work each of those takes 🙃

[native mesa]

What's Boba Fett doing there

[wanton sun]

n64 has no sound functionality, it's just loading sample data from RAM

[silent marten]

Makes sense 🙂

[wanton sun]

gameboy has 10 times more advanced sound 😛

[cedar otter]

Hold on now

[green comet]

So just a DAC, no synth?

[cedar otter]

By that argument the Gravis Ultrasound isn't advanced 🤔

I'd argue that the GB having such complex and varied sound hardware (two pulse wave, one triangle wave, one 1bit ad pcm and one noise, right?) Doesn't make it more advanced 🤔

[wanton sun]

it's even worse, it doesn't have a buffer, so every 2 samples the RDRAM must be accessed, interruping CPU, RDP, RSP, PI, VI, SI...you get it 🙂

[cedar otter]

OK that is a little bad

[green comet]

That explains why the N64 emulator for the PSP worked good with no audio, and BAD with audio

[wanton sun]

it's great for this core however: saves a lot of ressources 🙂

we basically have 50% of the FPGA left for RSP and RDP and RDP rasterization and memory transfer is already in

[wanton sun]

well in terms of what you can do with it...yes. With the GB sound hardware you can make sound. With N64 you need the RSP or CPU to create the sound, the AI module can't do anything

it cannot even do a simple loop that would allow to playback some samples over again, you must configure the DMA new every time

don't get me wrong, i will not complain. It's just shocking to see when you took a look at psx before

it's not that Nintendo stayed with that design either. The DS audio is very close to what the ps1 can do

[green comet]

If I want to test it myself, do I just build it from your Mister64 github page?

[wanton sun]

you can use this or build yourself from the repo

currenly all builds i did have been unproblematic with timing, so anything that quartus produces should be fine

[cedar otter]

Yeah it's like night and day compared to the sound hardware on the PSX

[desert crow]

i think it's great progress, you can now "play" some homebrews

[little socket]

what's sound if you can save a few bucks per console sold?

[quick arch]

playable

[remote hatch]

Wow 😲

[silent marten]

We have a playable game 😮

[native mesa]

What a time to be alive

Pac man non tate feels wrong

[remote hatch]

@wanton sun first working game by the end of the year 😉

[wanton sun]

haha, not the game i wanted, but i take it

[silent marten]

A game is a game 🙂

[cedar otter]

That's it, all efforts to optimising for Namco Museum, screw 3D

[green comet]

Now to hunt for a pif rom. I will return.

[pure ocean]

No joke I liked the SNES best because I missed 2D when the N64 came out

[desert crow]

cue the n64 xmas kid .gif

[silent marten]

https://tenor.com/view/unwrap-present-christmas-nintendo64-christmasmorning-gif-5631572

[native mesa]

Did anyone ever play the PC Pac Guy games?

[cold pollen]

You should take it up with the developer

[green comet]

Does the PIF file work if it's in .bin format, or does it need converted, or renamed, to .rom?

[remote hatch]

boot.rom

rename

https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64

[green comet]

I have been going off of that, but the files original name in bin, and that lists changing from pif.ntsc.rom to boot.rom, so I didn't know if it mattered.

thank you

[languid dune]

It's a demo extravaganza!

[green comet]

The mister page lists errors up to 3, what is 6?

[zinc dew]

I’m so excited for the Namco Museum 64 core to be done!

[gritty current]

I assume what you have is pifdata.bin ? If so, let me know if the rename works.

[green comet]

Well, to be specific... It's file name is [BIOS] Nintendo 64 - PIF (Japan, USA).bin

and it did

[desert crow]

maybe should post the hash so people can verify and just search for that

[orchid nimbus]

Cool 😉 follow simple instructions above

And don’t argue

😛

Oh wait - I am still in PSX mode

N64 - I don’t know anything about

I should write a FAQ soon since steam is picking up

[silent marten]

I should make a sheet soon

[green comet]

md5 or sha?

[orchid nimbus]

Both

[zinc dew]

You’re not my dad!

[desert crow]

whichever is easier to find when you search by that

[green comet]

[BIOS] Nintendo 64 - PIF (Japan, USA).bin
No-Intro. BigEndian.
MD5: 5c124e7948ada85da603a522782940d0
SHA-1: b7a0070cbe4b9bcaa08ec0b76b8c4955b2ae535a
SHA-256: fa7b09795ef1e54461e59f6f2d902368133e3f1cd980e34383e6a780d74beffd

That work?

I verified my file versus No-Intros datomatic pages

It has had 64 bytes removed from the end, per the page, which was PIF-RAM region?

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/

there we go 🙂

@zinc dew you might want to see that link 😄

oops

loved=loves

[desert crow]

looks like that one is only showing up on one site(vimm)

[orchid nimbus]

9174eadc0f0ea2654c95fd941406ab46b9dc9bdd boot.rom

this is my boot.rom (sha1)

[desert crow]

that one looks like it may show up more

[gritty current]

I have b7a0070cbe4b9bcaa08ec0b76b8c4955b2ae535a but haven't been able to get Namco Museum 64 to load (first rom I've tried)

[green comet]

sha1?

[gritty current]

yeah

[green comet]

so same file as me

[gritty current]

Should I not be in low latency mode?

[green comet]

Where is that setting?

[gritty current]

vsync_adjust=2 in mister.ini

[green comet]

let me test with mine

Also, HDMI or VGA output?

because it says only supports hdmi at this moment

[orchid nimbus]

HDMI only

let me add that to the FAQ

https://vampier.net/N64/

FAQ added

A: DUH!

Q: I can't get VGA out to work or composite
A: HDMI Only```

[gritty current]

I'm using HDMI

I just get a black screen. Maybe I should try a test rom instead

[green comet]

A: We were proved wrong```

Where did you put the boot.rom?

[orchid nimbus]

games/n64

[green comet]

Confirming cacophony

[green comet]

Doesn't affect it for me

[gritty current]

ok, good to know

[orchid nimbus]

A: We got told the same with a PSX core. FPGAZumSpass is a FPGA god - don't argue.```

[gritty current]

I put the boot.rom in my games dir right next to the rom I'm loading

[orchid nimbus]

N64

The N64 BIOS file (also called PIF ROM) should be renamed to boot.rom with an SHA1 hash of 9174eadc0f0ea2654c95fd941406ab46b9dc9bdd (NTSC). The bios should be placed into the /Games/N64 folder.

[green comet]

Did you get your pif from your own n64?

[orchid nimbus]

that will forever remain a secret

[gritty current]

Is there a recommended / shareable test rom I should try instead of Namco Musem 64 ?

[green comet]

I need to get a everdrive to source and test my own stuff.

azum linked one above

well, he linked one at some point?

[orchid nimbus]

try this

[green comet]

yeah, that

[orchid nimbus]

keep on asking questions 🙂 I'm writing the FAQ based on your questions 😄

lol

Is there a location where I can get the latest and greatest?

[green comet]

He says sdram of any size on his github, but I think most won't see that

[gritty current]

Ok, N64NICCC works great

[orchid nimbus]

good 🙂 congrats - your sound card works perfectly

I mean ... setup

[green comet]

Well, if it's not making any audio, then it's working as intended for the test

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slTHHXWNG4Y

@green comet no audio

[hearty python]

Sounds for me that Audio could be fast build in, cause its not real complex and more a playback thing.

[orchid nimbus]

A: DUH!

Q: I can't get VGA or composite out to work
A: HDMI Only

Q: We where told there would never be an N64 Core
A: We got told the same with a PSX core. FPGAZumSpass is a FPGA god - don't argue.

Q: Does the core have sound?
A: Not Yet, just pretend```

[green comet]

Q: How can I help?

[orchid nimbus]

A: Stop asking questions and show some patience

🙂

my FAQs are always very sarcastic btw

[green comet]

I would've put "Send FPGAzumSpass money"

[gritty current]

I just tried to load this : https://github.com/Ryzee119/n64_controller_test
but get an E60 error

[final walrus]

Hm, I got E24 when trying to run it... what did you do differently?

[quick arch]

are you using ntsc pif rom ?

[final walrus]

I think so. The one that I dumped from my own N64 that happens to exactly match the one on Zophars page

[green comet]

I get the same

[orchid nimbus]

Jokel be careful Zophar might be reading 😛

[final walrus]

To my credit I did try to dump my own but the program failed for some reason.

[quick arch]

have you tried it directly after start of the core ?

[final walrus]

I think I did but I will try again

[gritty current]

I get no error at all. Just a black screen.

[quick arch]

I used big endian version

[final walrus]

yeah no, E24 again. The Oxygen Demo works fine

[green comet]

mine matches BigEndian's too

[final walrus]

I used the one from the smokemonster Everdrive pack

[desert crow]

think Rob said controller test won't boot yet, he cheated and used a savestate

[quick arch]

i don't use smoke monster pack but get from no-intro pack

[final walrus]

Thanks, will try that one

[modern sleet]

Are you starting on all the 4MB roms then working up to the 8's for compatibility tests?

[gritty current]

Big endian version works!

I do see E02 and the text is barely readable but I'm able to do stuff

[quick arch]

just trying some games like collection of Arcade most of the time are the simple game

[green comet]

i tried starting from smallest filesize

[quick arch]

Museum Namco 64 works because there is no 3d in it

other games like this one may work

[final walrus]

No-intro Big Endian version did the trick!

playing the worst possible version of Galaga on the MiSTer, heck yeah

[green comet]

Well, I'm going to watch something as I slowly go through every n64 rom I have

[modern sleet]

Yeah, puyo puyo may be next on the compatibility list, doesnt work right now though

Not sure there are many 2d only 64 games 🙂

[gritty current]

https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/dy3wh2/full_list_of_2d_and_25d_games_for_n64/

[final walrus]

Some Mahjongg games, Bakuretsu Muteki Bangaioh (might use 3D elements), Bomberman 64 JP, Tetris 64, Puyo series, Puzzle Bobble, there's some more- I tried these ones I mentioned and they all E02'd

[final walrus]

yeah this

[orchid nimbus]

I tried 3 test roms and they all work

😄 nice

[lament escarp]

Time to start compiling the compatibility list

[orchid nimbus]

Ok people

https://github.com/DerekTurtleRoe/N64-PD-ROMS

here are my test roms I downloaded

the github isn't mine

[pure ocean]

@orchid nimbus For your FAQ. Verified. Trust me.

[orchid nimbus]

@pure ocean what's wrong with 9174eadc0f0ea2654c95fd941406ab46b9dc9bdd?

[green comet]

I completely forgot about ftp on this thing. Makes this much easier

[pure ocean]

I don't know but I'm German and using the same ones another German dev is using 😉

[orchid nimbus]

I'll add them since they work

https://vampier.net/N64/

added

cleaned up and pulled it inline with my other FAQs

this was supposed to be a joke

I guess I'll continue now

[pure ocean]

Maybe different sources maybe they include some ID's? not sure

[orchid nimbus]

is there a list with error codes and their meaning?

[final walrus]

Ms Pac-Man looks like it even has correct colors for the most part

[pure ocean]

not yet but it's not so important yet.

[green comet]

1964 test Says e40
Analogue test says e40
Mupen64plus Emulator Demo says e02
N64probe (Button Test) works
N64probe says e24
NUTS - Nintendo Ultra64 is just black screen
RDP probe is just black screen
Viewn64 Test Program loads, but nothing I do changes anything

[orchid nimbus]

ha 🙂 I just tried those too

[green comet]

I ignored the ones like the 64drive usb demo, because reasons

[orchid nimbus]

Nice

[final walrus]

we mandelbrot-ing in here

[green comet]

Disney's Donald Duck - Goin' Quackers shows the Ubisoft and Disney logos, then hangs

[orchid nimbus]

good

Castlevania64 looks great - doesn't show the game - this core already has massive improvements over the real thing

😄

[final walrus]

there's a 100% 2D game on the Aleck 64 that has been converted to an N64 rom... name escapes me at the moment. You run from left to right automatically and time your jumps to land on platforms

I hope Robert doesn't get annoyed with us all acting like excited idiots because one (1) game is running

[oblique remnant]

Wonder Project J2 won't start either unfortunatly

[final walrus]

good call for trying that one

[zinc dew]

LOLOL

[zinc dew]

I love the Namco Museum 64 core!

[spare meadow]

I am getting the E24 error on everything games, except N64NICCC and HelloWorld. Anyone has any clue what am I doing wrong?
I am using today built

[green comet]

Odd, i usually get the e02 error on most games.

We only have 1 confirmed playable game so far.

[zinc dew]

Anyone getting the E69 error or is it just me?

[green comet]

Closest I got was 66

[orchid nimbus]

only for quest69

[green comet]

Wow, even got a rom that visual fucks up the error code

[gritty current]

Big endian version of rom?

[final walrus]

[ocean lily]

maybe that's part of why emulators tend(ed) to suck with tetrisphere's audio

[graceful radish]

Are you running this on the N64 core or on a software emulator?

I'm getting E24 using today's build from Robert

[viscid nebula]

Skill issue

[graceful radish]

Haha

[broken creek]

@graceful radish OG hardware with an adapter

[uncut gyro]

Also, most of the people who answered definitely are just power users and not actual FPGA developers. Literally 100% of the time when I’ve asked “if A and B work,‘could C work?” several nay sayers respond immediately with no backing expertise or data.

[thorn flax]

ah yes the jingling keys of community engagement

[zinc dew]

Qvest64
Aidyn’s Chronicles
Earthwork Jim 3D
Daikatana
Carmageddon 64

[thorn flax]

my list is similar

[hollow pebble]

Using a screenshot of a filter to bypass a filter eh…

https://tenor.com/view/bold-strategy-dodgeball-cotton-strategy-tactics-gif-4957668

[thorn flax]

[orchid nimbus]

@hollow pebble blame @woeful grove 🙂

[zinc dew]

I like @thorn flax

[thorn flax]

I like me too

you're alright

b-baka

[worn delta]

Wow, that's wild that something is playing already. Are the controller buttons fully implemented now?

[ocean lily]

We talking about?

[worn delta]

What happens when you try load the N64's premier Questing game on the core now?

[cold pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-boom-explode-gif-17383346

[broken creek]

https://tenor.com/view/atomic-nuke-j-robert-oppenheimer-destroyer-of-the-worlds-death-gif-15159234

[pliant valve]

Doesn't it only have one questing game?

[broken creek]

I think there are 64. The last one was so good the others were lost in time, like tears in the rain.

[pliant valve]

This line of reasoning has bad implications for Windows 2000.

[green comet]

Sadly, I fall into the category of power user. Wish I could even muster the motivation to develop.

[vapid hawk]

Buck Bumble (USA)
Buck Bumble (JPN)
Buck Bumble (PAL-E)
Buck Bumble (PAL-M)
Mario64 for padding

[devout leaf]

eBay and an adapter. Be prepared to need replacement parts. Pads aren’t to much and sticks are easy to swap.

[vapid hawk]

you know a good adapter?

[devout leaf]

8bitdo has Hall Effect sticks on preorder. Looks nice.

[devout leaf]

Yeah one sec.

Hyperkin Controller Adapter for N64 Controller Compatible with Nintendo Switch/PC,M07412 https://a.co/d/eYQmMYD

That worked well for me.

[vapid hawk]

looks neat, working rumble?

[devout leaf]

Don’t know I don’t have a Rumble Pack lol

I should really buy one.

[green comet]

the mod kit?

[vapid hawk]

you can get the stick on its own its compatible with the oem controllers apparently

its a gamecube style stick though so its going to feel a lot different

[green comet]

Kind of wish the whole kit was compatible with the N64

[devout leaf]

Yeah I just got the separate sticks.

[broken creek]

It's okay. Probably one of the better 3rd party sticks. Definitely in the top 3 of the 3rd party sticks I've tried, not that I've tried a whole bunch, maybe 10?

I actually like the Retrobit Tribute wireless controller. I have the first version which is supposedly more laggy than V2, but with better stick sensitivity. Other than being Gamecube style it's pretty nice. It comes with a 2.4Ghz USB adapter so I'll likely use it on MiSTer.

[vapid hawk]

the retrobit tribute is pretty good actually

probably my favorite outside the oems

[green comet]

So, 8BitDo stick mod.
Or 8BitDo full controller kit + 8BitDo N64 BlueRetro receiver?

[broken creek]

Agreed. If people aren’t comfortable modding an OEM pad, paying $$$ for NSO N64 or don’t want a cables then that’s the controller I’ll direct them to.

[green comet]

Is retrobit the controller that can sometimes cause the console to restart if you plug it in when powered?

[broken creek]

Dunno. I don’t hot swap controllers.

Unless I’m playing Metal Gear Solid*

[cold pollen]

Yeah I didn't think about those other controllers

What about the Brawler or whatever it is

[broken creek]

Sucks

It’s just terrible. I’ve been meaning to sell mine.

The stick is way too sensitive and weirdly shaped with it’s dome top. The D-Pad doesn’t have a center pivot (which is weird for a “Brawler” controller), the buttons have flat tops, the triggers pull like analog triggers but are obviously digital. The shape is weird. I’m not impressed with anything Retrofighters has made.

[devout leaf]

A bad d pad is a death blow for me.

N64 does more analog of course but I hate a weird feeling one.

[broken creek]

Unless you enjoy the ability to enter all 4 directions at once you’d hate it.

[devout leaf]

I’m sure there’s some weird fighting game out there that would be optimal with it haha

[broken creek]

Maybe that weird game was the inspiration 🙂

[uncut gyro]

That’s not a problem so long as you don’t speak beyond your knowledge or discourage people from doing research 🙂

[inner garden]

wait so what game is working

[green comet]

Namco Museum

[inner garden]

does it run well?

emulator inception?

[green comet]

no audio, some colors are weird on the menus

[graceful radish]

Reflex Adapt controller to usb adapter will be out this week and supports N64 amongh many other systems

~2ms of latency

Firmware is open source. Right now there are 3 modes for analog range: raw values from the controller, auto range, or fixed range

We used MiSTer's input test core to tune the analog stick range but are open to changing things when the N64 core becomes testable

[oblique remnant]

Is it an arduino board usb adapter?

[vapid hawk]

i think it uses the rpi2040 chip internally

but its a commercial product from porkchop not a diy project

[spare meadow]

Only got E24 error when trying to run the game. Using the latest core version

[quick arch]

the version that work is a big endian version from no-intro pack

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/such-sights-to-show-gif-22302225

[cerulean elk]

Just editing up a N64 video for tomorrow. Wild to see anything playable

[hollow rune]

This core is crazy, simply crazy

[cerulean elk]

Thanks to @manic basin for the help. He did stuff while I pissed out a kidney stone 🤣

[orchid nimbus]

the last few times I felt them come on I downed at least a liter of water (or a pint of water for you Yanks) - and said 'challenge accepted'

[lament escarp]

I really like your YouTube videos! Thanks for keeping us up to date!

[wanton sun]

colors will improve later, just in case someone just completed a video and will be annoyed it's outdated already 😅

[remote hatch]

Great! ♥️

[quick arch]

Thank you 👍

[cerulean elk]

Never had one. Never want one again. Spent Fri night late night in the ER. Ate shit in the waiting room from the pain and went down. 0/10 recommend. And I drink so much water too. Def not a “dehydration” issue

[orchid nimbus]

When I had them first I had 5 stones in 1 time

gotta do it right 😄

my body went in full 'let's get everything out of you... at the same time'

[cerulean elk]

Ouch. Never fun. I’ve never felt pain like that before. Woke up at midnight in pain and had no clue why 🤷🏻‍♂️

[sharp beacon]

I agree, worst pain ever felt..

[orchid nimbus]

@cerulean elk it's worse when you don't know what it is

[cerulean elk]

100%. I’ve eaten shit on my bike, gotten hit by a car, torn both ACLs back in the day, etc etc etc. None of those things got CLOSE to a 2mm stone moving around my body

[zinc dew]

It’s like being stabbed in the back nonstop for hours on end

[cerulean elk]

video is up for tomorrow. Glad I got that stone out overnight and could do a VO without groaning in agony lol

[solemn maple]

Misleading thumbnail 😉

[cerulean elk]

Haha I got some DigDug in there. Trying to have fun with it

[brisk drum]

I remember the first signs of life of the ps1 core ..

https://tenor.com/view/scrimblo-gif-22661077

[wanton sun]

the first cool thing was the spyro demo loaded ingame through a savestate. I ran around for like 1 hour just for fun 🙂

[cerulean elk]

I dunno what the date is in Germany but I’m pretty sure we aren’t anywhere near Christmas here in Chicago 😂 yet there is a retail game running

[lament escarp]

It's called "Vorweihnachtszeit", which means pre-christmas time. 😉

[brisk drum]

That must have felt so satisfying!

[wanton sun]

it was! also there was some additional difficulty in that it hang as soon as I touched a dragon 😅

[brisk drum]

Still awesome !

[wanton sun]

i wasn't expecting that some developers created a game that doesn't use 50% of the chips the console has to offer 🙃

[cerulean elk]

Someone’s never looked at what devs did on Jaguar then haha

[lament escarp]

If pakman runs in some kind of emulator I could see it running just inside the cpu. But I'm not really knowledgeable about these kind of things.

[wanton sun]

yes that's probably the reason. All other 2D games i've seen use the RDP for drawing sprites

[viscid nebula]

You’ve probably done enough at this point that chatgpt can wrap it up

[quick arch]

You said RDP raycast is already implemented Museum Nacom 64 use it or it is just cpu ?

[wanton sun]

it's just drawing with the cpu

RDP polygons currently only work for solid colors, e.g. what you see in the NICCC demo

[quick arch]

ok thank you for the explanation

The logo of Wave Race is great 🙂 thank you 😉

[wanton sun]

it's always the same: first you wonder how that could even be wrong when other stuff shows fine and when you find out why it happens, you wonder how the other things could have ever looked correct

[little socket]

and then you press the stop-ship button and everyone is angry...

[trim birch]

i remember a couple of automation scripts at my last job stopped working. they had been written by my predacessor and no one had touched them for years. I made some changes so they work again but for the life of me i have zero clue how they EVER worked as written.

[fierce wharf]

It was called Holy Magic Century in Europe and man, that was such a better name

[little socket]

but we never knew it was powered by 64bits

so many children that got it gifted for their snes by their grandparents

[fierce wharf]

I dunno man, have you seen that thing lately? It's using 20, at most

Maybe 25

Holy Magic Quarter-Century

[hearty python]

I have heard that on jaguar the first games only used the 68k cpu, as the devs where familiar with it. 😂

[orchid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNNU0DZ34Gw

yay 😄

I think I double recorded sound

oops

[stone pilot]

Do the other games in the bundle run?

[brisk drum]

And they said N64 was improbable if not impossible

well what say ye to this nay sayers!!

[hearty python]

Why is there sound ?

[brisk drum]

Yep

[solid crest]

Because fpgazumspass added audio support already
#1096015979055697940 message

[maiden lintel]

It is

[brisk drum]

Never again doubt the power of FPGA

[maiden lintel]

Didn’t he tell you it’s impossible?

[lament escarp]

So whats next? If rdp and rsp are being left for the finale, what module comes next?

[brisk drum]

Who?

[maiden lintel]

The author

[brisk drum]

Nahhh

Never promised anything but I have faith

https://tenor.com/view/church-baby-praise-worship-feel-the-spirit-gif-4887656

[manic basin]

Color AND sound?!! Wow.

[wanton sun]

the racing game crashes very fast, the other seem to work

[stone pilot]

Oh interesting. Maybe it's actually rendering the road in 3D

[wanton sun]

no, it works fine for some seconds

sometimes the main menu also crashes if you switch too often

background music also hangs up instantly

so yes, there are still things open

[carmine kettle]

what other software i need to compile the rbf file

[final walrus]

just take the one that's already compiled on Roberts patreon

[wanton sun]

work on RSP will start soon, maybe in 2 weeks or so. Only want to complete some other open tasks before, e.g. PIF for EEPROM otherwise many games will not boot

[wanton sun]

only quartus 17. Open the project file, click on compile, wait 10 minutes or so and that's all

[orchid nimbus]

for now 🙂

[wanton sun]

haha 🙂

actually the sound does work fine if everything else was fine

[orchid nimbus]

well if I wrote 'yes sound works' imagine all the 'bug' mentions

[wanton sun]

from savestate it's better 🙂

[brisk drum]

Sounds very clean to me

[orchid nimbus]

yeah

was that easier than for the PSX? 😄

[wanton sun]

something in the background hangs up when booting the game

PSX sound has 1 big advantage: when there was a issue with sound it was either in CD or SPU. Now it can be anywhere. ROM->RAM, RSP, CPU, AI, IRQ handling,...

still, i don't want to go back. when you can do the whole VHDL audio implementation for a 5th gen console in 1 hour, that says something

[marble cargo]

I mean, it's a work-in-progress, so I'm not surprised there are bugs.

[zinc dew]

Don’t ever let programmers tell you what’s possible or not. They’re too stuck in current knowledge assessment and don’t think about future knowledge assessment.

[brisk drum]

If i remember correctly the first sounds I ever heard from the psx core was the 20th century fox fanfare and logo

From the intro to alien trilogy

[zinc dew]

The Namco Museum 64 core will be legendary!

[brisk drum]

The taco stamp means your comment has been reviewed by me and it meets all my standards

[viscid gate]

I got more play time in pole position with the previous build btw

[ocean lily]

top gear rally is the best racing game anyway

[orchid nimbus]

Mandatory fire demo screenshot

[stone pilot]

btw if you actually want to play Pole Position in these trying times, go play it on PSX

[fair stump]

I'll play the windows version on the ao486 core like I did as a kid

[orchid nimbus]

with sample looping

[zinc dew]

why are there so many n64 demos?

[brisk drum]

I’d rather play rolling thunder

[hearty python]

When started the n64 programming on mister? Wouldn’t be surprised if it is done before Saturn core. 😂

[plush summit]

because there's so many failed game devs?

[brisk drum]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-prince-lipbite-gif-10307428

Sega fanboys rn

[topaz otter]

A game dev never fails, he just gets bored and moves on

[hearty python]

Saturn is a fantastic system. Have started to discover the games for it. @brisk drum

[zinc dew]

Quick, someone try out Midway’s Greatest Hits Vol 1

See if that works too because it’s emulated

[thorn flax]

😶

[languid dune]

When I tested it yesterday, most of them did. But Pole Position crashed after a bit, and a couple of the games were running slow.

[orchid nimbus]

the 'my angel demo' is pretty creepy

different simpler times

Nacho64 has working music 😄

sounds pretty good

ignore the BSOD at the start

[little socket]

were there any proper adult golf games on that thing?

[kind nimbus]

when you say adult

[hearty python]

007 is really only 12 megabytes?

[kind nimbus]

you mean...

[little socket]

ok, replace adult with realistic

[kind nimbus]

OK darn, I thought that's what you meant

[languid dune]

Hawt

[wanton sun]

N64 programming is relativly easy unless you want to do 3D. The framebuffer is directly accesible from the CPU and the CPU is fast enough to draw to it

[kind nimbus]

Are these demos made for emulation, or were people putting these on real hardware somehow

[little socket]

I would not put it past midway to pull a fast one

[orchid nimbus]

Plasma Demo looks good

[hearty python]

Looks for me that some demos are done as intros for The supplied games

[languid dune]

Has anyone posted the latest build yet? I don't think I'm able to grab it from Github with a Mac.

Or if you can grab it with a Mac, please teach me your ways. 👀

[chrome quest]

It is posted on Robert's Patreon

[hearty python]

Mister unstable needed ?

[chrome quest]

Nope

[hearty python]

Fine

[chrome quest]

FYI. For windows 10 people looking to confirm a PIF file Hash you can use the built in PowerShell App
Get-FileHash -a SHA1 C:\games\N64\boot.rom

[orchid nimbus]

https://vampier.net/N64/

here are instructions

[pure ocean]

2blokes & armchair n64 remix demo

[chrome quest]

Anyone know what "E46" error is for?
I can run Namco Meusum fine, but can't get "HelloWorldCPU16BPP320X240.N64" to run

[orchid nimbus]

Super Fighter looks nice now

[fair stump]

Just curious, the patreon post mentions big endian format being typically .N64 or .z64. Are there other formats used for N64 games?

[chrome quest]

I've seen old homebrew be .v64

[wanton sun]

there are some other formats, like little endian or big endian byte swapped. The core currently can only understand big endian. Maybe later on it can be autodetected and converted, but for now it should be fine. 90% of the modern stuff is big endian

you can easily tell, because only N64 and z64 are able to be loaded, so unless you rename your file ending, it should be save.

[pure ocean]

Wow. I really preferred the old colors 🤣

[wanton sun]

but i wouldn't be surprised if someone renames a v64 to z64 to be "able to load it". Not everyone knows it's more than just the ending

[zinc dew]

Ah that explains it. Thanks for the insight!

[gritty current]

I initially tried Namco from the N64 htgdb-gamepack and it didn't work, so I'm assuming it must not be big endian

[carmine kettle]

thank you

[pure ocean]

by the way sound and framerate is stuttering. Maybe you can use it for debugging before starting on the RSP

[wanton sun]

it's no surprise, it runs completly from the CPU but that has no datacache and no writefifo, so in worst case the performance can be 10% only

i already checked in my emulator that mario kart can run at 20fps without datacache, so i will postpone it, as debugging with cache is significantly more difficult

as soon as some games work, it's much better to integrate it, as i can instantly see if it damages something(= has a bug)

[manic basin]

I've made it angry.

[final walrus]

You could probably look in your archives for a no intro collection in big endian.

[zinc dew]

Anyone try this yet

[topaz otter]

Half of that is speccy games and an emulator

[quick arch]

not working like quuuuus4

[zinc dew]

Eikō no Saint Andrews
Masters '98: Haruka Naru Augusta
Nihon Pro Golf Tour 64 (64DD)
PGA European Tour
Waialae Country Club: True Golf Classics

[little socket]

that's not many

[rapid prairie]

Anyone got a link/zip to all the n64 demos? I have a few but so many shared on here I don’t. Also is the rbf still build it yourself?

I want to play around and test

[topaz otter]

Arnold palmers american wasteland

[zenith orchid]

https://github.com/hcs64/neon64v2/releases

I bet this runs entirely on the CPU

maybe it'll work

[zinc dew]

Damn, that’s a solid name for a mixed alcoholic version of an Arnold Palmer

[zenith orchid]

https://n64squid.com/vnes64/ this might be better

[zinc dew]

Ohhhh good find

[oblique remnant]

oh angel oh angel, will you be miiine 🙂

[topaz otter]

Theres also an emulator for the gameshark that plays nes games

On the n64

[cerulean elk]

Re-edited the video with fixed colors. That was fast lol

[cerulean elk]

Such an angry message

[gritty current]

Yeah, big endian no intro isn't difficult to find. The htgdb-gamepack are very popular though because of the organization, so I suspect a lot of people are going to run into this issue.

[viscid gate]

There's an online converter
https://hack64.net/tools/swapper.php

[twin barn]

Looks like i'm just about to bust out the N64 and Everdrive64 I bought like a year ago for some comparisons

jk

too early

but still, this will be fun

[twin barn]

I believe the main reason z64 was chosen for the htgdb-pack is because it's slightly smaller when compressed, but the difference is so minimal, it must be something else...

[cerulean elk]

If I didn’t think half the people wouldn’t get the joke id do a “MiSTer vs real hardware: N64 “video on the current core for a laugh

[twin barn]

lol

somewhere in the back fo my mind i bought it because i knew this was going to be attempted eventually

but the other part was... this ain't ever coming to MiSTer so i'd better buy it now lol

i win either way

[brisk drum]

No means no

[weak hill]

whats the resolution output? hd already?

[ocean lily]

MiSTer doesn't change the resolution of games; it just upscales to whatever you tell it to

[weak hill]

so you can upscale it to hd, i mean, you dont need anymore any upscaler connected to your n64, mister can do that for you?

[languid ore]

Correct

[carmine kettle]

do i need unstable builds to use n64 core?

[weak hill]

That's great, i dont have a mister, here en Mexico is very hard to get one, but im a huge n64 fan, and i love to see here this progress

[random portal]

What games are you guys anticipating? I mostly want to play a functional version of Killer Instinct Gold and Star Soldier Vanishing Earth.

[broken creek]

Doom 64. I already play it, but it's such a good game I'll transfer my save and play on MiSTer. With the brightness Gameshark code it's very playable.

[ocean lily]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/33cf0ebe0bd47cc0aecea8599d6dc36e/tumblr_p9j0pyzb2N1s3uawvo1_500.gif

[elfin relic]

I'm ready to replay Sin & Punishment for the nth time

[hollow pebble]

Oh, what did I miss?

TL;DR?

Working games?

https://tenor.com/view/loki-tell-me-yelling-mad-tom-hiddleston-gif-16343802

[elfin relic]

it seems we might be able to play ms pacman now

[native mesa]

@orchid nimbus being bad a pac man

[orchid nimbus]

Nope

[zinc dew]

I’m real excited to play Qvest 64. @carmine kettle / @languid ore it’s a very cool game

[languid ore]

Me and qvvest64 have a long and sorted history

[zinc dew]

Yeah?

[languid ore]

Aye. Rented it 2-3 separate times and wanted to love it but just couldn't get into it. Not sure what it was but the game always gave me a massive headache like 15min in every time. So not quite the usual meme response we get around these parts.

[zinc dew]

it’s one of the best RPGs on the system

[topaz otter]

of course, because its also one of the only ones on the system

[orchid nimbus]

FF7 was

[languid ore]

Harvest Moon 64 is the best RPG on the N64 😉

[topaz otter]

what about paper mario 64

[zinc dew]

lol you saw right through me!

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/vincent-x-vincent-godzilla-mecha-mechazilla-gif-20084909

[woeful grove]

@pliant valve bad

[pliant valve]

Without the jokes, how bad is Qwest 64 actually?

In what way is it bad?

[woeful grove]

I think it has a mediocre story, art, gameplay, and music

[zinc dew]

@woeful grove sorry, refuted

See my m4a above explaining why

@pliant valve the game is like - what if you took an early NES RPG in terms of plot and character design and turned it 3D. It’s not very good or deep but it has a pretty interesting battle system that’s fully 3D.

Part of the meme was that game was literally like one of the few RPGs you could play. I think it actually was the only RPG for a while lol.

the Game Boy Color game is substantially better but still rather mediocre

[brisk edge]

both Goemon games will be fun once we get there, maybe Shadowgate 64 too.

[zinc dew]

Shadowgate 64 is cool, I’m a huge fan of the first Goemon game too.

Lots of really fun games on the N64. Extremely excited for the core

[pliant valve]

There was an Ogre Battle too.

[zinc dew]

I never played that one actually, I own it though

[brisk edge]

can't forget the other hotly anticipated to play RPG for the core, Super Robot Wars 64

[elfin relic]

there's also Custom Robo, which might be considering RPGish (Japan-only)

[brisk edge]

Custom Robo has a nice fan translation now too, though V2 doesn't sadly

that's a fun one in multiplayer

[zinc dew]

There’s Aidyn’s Chronicles but I feel like after Questo64 it was a “fool me twice shame on me” situation. And they were right!

[brisk edge]

Aidyn Chronicles is just bad and not fun lol

[neat sierra]

Was Shadowgate64 a puzzle game like the original but in 3D? I’d google but I already started typing so there’s no going back now

Well great I typed my question, I stopped and stared, what more do you want @zinc dew? I thought you knew everything about N64 but you Nintendont

Probably doing something dumb like caring for your family

[zinc dew]

lol

[neat sierra]

Welp I looked it up like some kind of animal, yes it’s exactly 3D shadowgate

[zinc dew]

Yeah it plays like the original but in fully 3D environment. Get items, use items, investigate everything etc etc

It’s a cool game but I get why it was overlooked at the time

[brisk edge]

it's pretty much a first person adventure game, but it still has the cheap deaths and stuff

I remember at one point early on the game also makes fun of you for picking up every book you find

[neat sierra]

“Haha nerd”

[brisk edge]

some of them are literally blank lol

it's a bit clunky and obtuse but I don't think there's much else on the n64 like it

a shame the sequel never materialized

[neat sierra]

Will have to check it out, loved the NES game. Also in my googling (thanks for nothing Robby) I found out the OG shadowgate wasn’t the NES game but a Macintosh game. Now I’m curious to see that as well

[brisk edge]

check out Deja Vu and Uninvited as well if you haven't

[neat sierra]

Oh yeah I have Deja Vu as well from back in the day. Not as good but still fun. The uninvited I vaguely remember playing but not finishing for some reason

[warped cobalt]

Might there be N64 SNAC in the future?

[ocean lily]

I don't see why not

should be possible to do 4 controller snac too

[green comet]

That depends on Azum to be able to add the functionality, doesn't it?

I assume easy for him to add it though

[carmine kettle]

@graceful radish is working on it

[green comet]

I don't know why, but I was expecting the SNAC adapters to have some form of logic. No, it just connects to certain pins on the De10, while the I/O board handles voltage/level differences.

[desert crow]

i'd say it's a good possibility as long as there's room for it. probably try to have backward compatibility with SNAX, so you'd just need the n64 adapter cable for that. and maybe there will be something that supports 4p too later

[graceful radish]

Yeah I'm not opposed to making a 4P SNAX (SNAX64) when the time comes. It's only 2 extra signals and will hopefully be trivial. Blue1 and the core developers do the heavy lifting

[wanton sun]

There is an easy version of SNAC that just polls the controllers and uses the controls. This could be implemented already. The more difficult thing will be to have the whole communication going on, so thing like the transfer pak can work. I will probably have to modify the PIF implementation for that.

[green comet]

So, if you get the transfer pak to work, will the documentation saying MiSTer will never use physical cartridges become false?

Actually, would it be possible to 'emulate' the transfer pak and just access saves from one of the GB/GBC cores?

[wanton sun]

i hope so, but i haven't looked into it yet

being able to play pokemon stadium tower with a .gb file loaded via OSD and saving back to the .sav file (even if it needs to be manually selected) would be amazing

probably i would prefer manual select for the savegame anyway to be able to have multiple save files, which is really handy for stadium

[worn delta]

That would be pretty incredible

[weary beacon]

Personally, Mischief Makers. My copy freezes a lot and since it's a 2D game I think it will run fine 😁

[random portal]

yeah I'm somewhat very optimistic for 2D only games.

the only one I know about is Bomberman 64 Japan though

[orchid nimbus]

SotN is my favorite

[random portal]

and Mortal Kombat Trilogy

[weary beacon]

Not just 2D but also uses the D Pad only as well. I loved that section where you had to compete in the tournament lol. I was really bummed out last time I replayed it and had to resort to using an emulator. My N64 sucks man lmao

Im thankful for Robert and grateful for his work that is already doing wonders for preservation

[thick terrace]

are there any demos or fun stuff that work with the current build? I tried downloading homebrew and demos, but nothing I tried loads. Been playing pacman, galaga and digdug a bunch.

[brisk drum]

https://youtu.be/BOIx_EQ7xko

All 2D and this is one of the games that is supposed to run perfect on the best n64 emulators

[old vortex]

Oh wow, I totally rented that game as a kid. Had completely forgotten about it.

[cerulean elk]

https://youtu.be/C2EQp9DaZvc

nothing short of awesome

[bronze tree]

some audio issues with your voice over (panning and coughing 🙂 )

(the coughing is around 2:45)

[quick arch]

great you find more games showing first screens !

[cerulean elk]

I am a bit under the weather this week. Maybe missed that

on some heavy test drugs

[bronze tree]

no worries, it's a nice video 🙂

get well

[cerulean elk]

better today, off painkillers...thank god. Shit makes you feel like garbage

so do kidney stones though 😆

[brisk drum]

Japan only I thought ..

[teal citrus]

@cerulean elk "GO TO BED!"

[cerulean elk]

lol I am back to full speed

[teal citrus]

That's right!

[cerulean elk]

Stone out, off meds, good to go

[brisk drum]

Right on brother!

[cerulean elk]

0/10 recommend

[brisk drum]

Chugging water as I type

[topaz otter]

I'm curious if this is going to work with official controllers only, because even on the actual N64 a lot of third party controllers have weird behavior or the analog stick doesn't behave like the OEM one

i have a lot of those n64 to usb things for the pc and most of those only work with the real controller, mad catz controllers make it go nuts so there's definitely a difference between them

[marble cargo]

Nintendo 64 controllers in general are known to be fickle. Like even the official ones are prone to malfunctioning.

[cerulean elk]

I drink so much water. Always have. So def not dehydration related

[brisk drum]

Awww that’s great!

Now I gotta worry about stones ..

[neat sierra]

I’m going to stop drinking water just in case

[zealous hull]

You cannot escape, you can only endure.

For real, it does suck though.

Glad you're better. Didn't realize who you were until you posted your vid. I watch every MiSTer update you put out. Great work!

[fallen sparrow]

@cerulean elk a good thing for maintenance regarding breaking down kidney stones is radish (the one pictured). This is a normal part of the daily diet of those living in areas where the water is known to have tiny stone parts in it

I also like the taste

Can give you potent burps though

[cerulean elk]

Well that’s good. I love daikon

[fallen sparrow]

Daikon, that's it, I couldn't remember what it was called

[mellow raft]

https://youtu.be/JaZpmHC3LRg

Related

[cerulean elk]

I do daikon cut up with gochugang, soy sauce and “oriental Worcestershire” sauce (it’s what it’s called. But I put it in parenthesis as to not offend) and it’s delicious

[hollow rune]

Gochujang is like the best ingredient

[cerulean elk]

It’s seriously good on anything

Try this. It’s amazing

[hollow rune]

Team Door Door will register a request with the proper authorities

HOpefully they will buy some the next time they are at the Korean store

[fallen sparrow]

Will do