Nintendo 64

[ember linden]

doshin 2 basically required it

[worn delta]

Do any of the other discs require a cart to be in the N64 during use other than the F-Zero track builder?

[ember linden]

the randnet disk, which again is useless

it needed the modem in the cart port

[worn delta]

Yeah, that thing isn't going to do anything. Although curious what happens when you boot it up these days, if you see anything at all

[orchid nimbus]

some people just like to be offended all the time it seems

[thorn flax]

I am offended

[ember linden]

https://youtu.be/vw67tOKd5mc

[thorn flax]

[ember linden]

i made a video browsing my used copy

[worn delta]

Oh nice!

[ember linden]

basically clicking on anything that boots to a webpage wont work, but this copy still had saved emails

[worn delta]

Didn't appreciate you had OG hardware, do you have the full library?

[ember linden]

all but the two randnet exclusive games which are four digit priced

[worn delta]

Can you type in any part of what still runs in Radnet?

[ember linden]

you can type in the url field with your randnet keyboard all you want lol

not much point though

[worn delta]

Hah, no, but does give people a way to confirm their $1000+ keyboard actually works 😉

What are these Radnet games? They download things like Satellaview or disks sold separately?

[ember linden]

randnet had an online store where you could buy stuff through a website on the disk

two games, the keyboard, and some promo swag were exclusive to it

doshin's expansion and some golf game were the exclusive ones

[worn delta]

Interesting, I didn't know about those. How do emulators handle them?

[ember linden]

just like any other game, they're on disks. it was a mail order type deal

they aint cheap

they were games exclusive to a service that was niche to begin with, and even then you wouldve had to bother going onto this site on your 64dd and buying them

[worn delta]

That's crazy

[brisk edge]

I remember years ago always wanting a DD, and then in the last few years I've looked at prices and realized it's really probably not worth it lol

[worn delta]

Yeah, I am kicking myself for not buying one and all the games when you could get them 5-10 years ago for around £600 from Japan. They go for thousands now.

[ember linden]

the 64DD was the one really rare video game thing that I really wanted so I did

I paid much less than 1000

[worn delta]

I did manage to get a Satellaview a few years back for not too much, and those have rocketed up recently so glad I did

[brisk edge]

I do remember when the unit itself used to only be like $500, but I didn't have the money back then

[ember linden]

https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/1095295875?conversionType=search_suggest_buyee_top

lmao it's funny to see this and go "wow that's actually a better deal than most for this"

[pliant valve]

Everything related to old video gameshas rocketed up.

[cerulean elk]

The shit? Who would do that

[cerulean elk]

So not worth it. I’d love one too but not anywhere near the prices they get these days

Nintendo + “rare” = silly pricing

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-kong-gif-22625202

Rare and Nintendo

[little socket]

lewd

so what did you do to almost get cancelled?

[worn delta]

Sufami Turbos are still cheap if anyone is hankering for obscure Nintendo hardware

[zinc dew]

Is the Oxygen64 demo available to be posted?

[manic basin]

https://github.com/PeterLemon/N64/tree/master/N64NICCC

That one?

[zinc dew]

yes, thank you. I think I had the wrong name.

[manic basin]

NP! It's running very well on the latest build.. And is kinda the prettiest N64 game I've played....

[worn delta]

Do we have a compile of the latest version that runs this?

[manic basin]

I manually compiled from the github drop.

Kuba has one up the thread a bit. #1096015979055697940 message

[viscid nebula]

Where do I return my mister box? I’ve tried everything but quest 64 just won’t run.

[worn delta]

Blow on your cart and try plugging it in again

[orchid nimbus]

I'll sent you the return address - I'll pay shipping for you

[marble cargo]

https://youtu.be/rp0Mcx4tBZs

[zenith orchid]

just found this...

https://youtu.be/NCE1fTW5SqY

[teal citrus]

Can y'all imagine how the OG Doom & Doom II would've played on the N64?

Probably not that similar to the PSX ports.

[elfin depot]

I was just playing the PSX one tonight, really enjoying the music in it. Different, but really fits well.

[elfin depot]

It'd have been a Jaguar style port as most were. This version looks really good,audio is a bit munchy but all the assets look there.

[teal citrus]

I mean, I'm happy that we got Doom 64.

[zinc dew]

Yeah someone ported both DOOM games to the N64, I have custom carts of both ports

https://github.com/jnmartin84/64doom

There it is, build your own DOOM port

Ohhh port the PS1 version?

That would be cool

[broken viper]

How do they play?

[zinc dew]

I have a way old build so not good lol

[broken viper]

Are there good builds? I pictured it as being filled with slowdown and somehow worse graphics lol

[zinc dew]

Guy started in 2014, made a few updates and that’s where someone custom made two carts for me. In 2019.

Then the ports got like a billion updates in 2020 and onward, presumably due to Covid boredom lol.

Framerate isn’t good but it’s the full DOS game

But I’m sure it’s much better now

[viscid nebula]

Unless it plays myhouse.wad idc

[plush summit]

My House is a work of (f)art

[topaz otter]

I loved dark corridors with blinking lights and monster closets

And round platforms with glowing armor that is not at all a trap

[stoic parcel]

Doom 3?

😁

[zenith orchid]

That'd be cool if PrBoom were ported to N64, that would open up a lot more TCs and map packs

There's a lot for OG Doom as well, but still

[mellow path]

PSX doom was a joy to play on MiSTer, you can even something resembling a dual stick setup if you remap correctly

[elfin depot]

I will have to try that

[topaz otter]

Having played doom before the age of the mouse i can say that anything not involving the arrow keys to move and the spacebar to open doors

Is sacrilege

[mellow path]

Well... there's always the pc port

[marble cargo]

I will play Doom using the Dreamcast fishing controller.

[elfin depot]

Donkey Kong Bongos

[worldly quartz]

reminds me of people playing with ddr pad and guns together

I'm just glad N64 didn't get a light gun game

[ember linden]

sin and punishment feels like a game that started out with a light gun

[zinc dew]

Panzer Dragoon feels like a game that started out trying to be good

holy shit, that’s incredible, I love that duck

lmao the quack at the end

Oh my god, like I can’t even troll reply. The duck sealed it, I got destroyed lmao

[teal citrus]

What would be some choice titles to stress test an N64 emulator? Mine would be: Banjo-Tooie, Castlevania - Legacy of Darkness, Resident Evil 2, Yoshi's Story, Kirby 64, Perfect Dark, and Turok 3: Shadows of Oblivion.

[zinc dew]

Quest 64, for sure

[teal citrus]

I say this because out of the ones that I mentioned, Banjo-Tooie and Turok 3 struggled a bit on a real Nintendo 64, and somehow still run worse in emulation.

[zinc dew]

Quest 64 is considered by some to be the best emulation stress test for accuracy

[remote hatch]

and Daikatana 😛

[teal citrus]

Yeah, but that game stinks.

Wouldn't hurt to try tho!

[remote hatch]

nah but seriously Banjo-Tooie, Castlevania - Legacy of Darkness, Resident Evil 2, Yoshi's Story, Kirby 64, Perfect Dark, and Turok 3: Shadows of Oblivion. - I think ok for testing

[zinc dew]

What? It’s easily one of the best games. Have you played it?

[teal citrus]

I've seen reviews of it. Dear God!

[teal citrus]

And yes. These are the games from the top of my head that I think pushes the limit of the console. I wish there was a definitive list.

[chrome quest]

As noted on Controllers thread;
N64 controller back in stock on UK Nintendo store.
https://store.nintendo.co.uk/en/nintendo-64-controller-for-nintendo-switch-000000000010006981
As well as...
Raphnet N64 USB adapter also back in stock.
https://www.raphnet-tech.com/products/dual_n64_to_usb_adapter/index.php

Recommended Raphnet for Rumble/Transfer/Controller pak compatibility (on pc at least), but both may get some use before too long

[worn delta]

It you were kicking the tires on an emulator, it may be worth seeing how they handle the three games with additional hardware in the cart:
Animal Forest/Animal Crossing (RTC)
Mario No Photopi (uses a memory card reader)
Morita Shogi 64 (Modem for online play)
i.e. do they boot, and if so do they have any emulation of the enhancements or is the functionality just omitted

Might be worth trying the Aleck64 (N64 Arcade) conversions and see if those run fine as well.

[marble cargo]

Donkey Kong 64 comes to mind. That game in particular is really sensitive to any timing changes, so it's a good stress test to see how well the lag is recreated.

[teal citrus]

Cruis'n and Cruis'n Exotica are Aleck64, correct?

[teal citrus]

I agree. Let's not forget the mandatory rumble bug.

[worn delta]

I don't think so, unless these are one of these?
Games
Eleven Beat
Hanabi de Doon! - Don-chan Puzzle
Hi Pai Paradise
Hi Pai Paradise 2 - onsen ni ikou yo!
Kurukuru Fever
Magical Tetris Challenge: Featuring Mickey
Mayjinsen 3
Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth
Super Real Mahjong VS
Tower & Shaft
Vivid Dolls
Variant Schwanzer (unreleased)

If you have the Everdrive pack then there is a folder of them

[cerulean elk]

I wish Aleck64 had more on it

Tower and Shaft is a good time

[teal citrus]

Yes!

And weirdly enough, Star Wars Episode I: Racer

Technically speaking, every Rare, Factor 5, and Acclaim game.

[ocean lily]

Tetrisphere; hardly anything I've seen emulates it properly - either slow all around or has choppy audio

[zinc dew]

The three best games to stress test N64 accuracy:

• Resident Evil 2 for the decompression microcode
• Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine or Star Wars: Battle for Naboo for its custom graphics microcode
• Perfect Dark for just being the most graphically intensive game and requiring the ram pack to function

[orchid nimbus]

Mario64!!!

[worn delta]

Were the billboards over the course in Mario Cart not famous for emulators not being able to render?

[orchid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-rekting-bowser-mario-bowser-mario64-terminalmontage-gif-23002989

[worn delta]

I am thinking of the screens where it shows you a TV style image of the race you are taking part in

[ocean lily]

That's due to how emulators fake and hack things together; an FPGA reimplementation won't have that issue

[worn delta]

That's good to know

[teal citrus]

Still can't fathom why that happens.

[teal citrus]

What about Banjo-Tooie, DK64, and Turok 3?

The former two are big-ass collect-a-thons from Rare where the worlds are big, and a lot of things are going down at the same time.

The latter is a FPS with it being more or less equal to Perfect Dark in the graphics department.

I mention these three, because like the others I mentioned before, they can be incredibly hard to emulate.

[zinc dew]

Yah, they’re good too. I mean really anything is worth testing.

I was just looking at complex or nonstandard code.

[teal citrus]

Your list is great too.

[elfin depot]

What about Turok 2? It had a neat pen and ink mode

[zinc dew]

Arguably Turok 3 is a way better test than RE2.

[zinc dew]

That’s just wireframe rendering

[elfin depot]

Ah, not a good test then?

[zinc dew]

I mean anything is imo

But it’s not a unique graphics mode the console doesn’t innately support, they’re just displaying wireframe rendering

[teal citrus]

Added to the list.

Should also add Wave Race 64 because of the water tech.

Water tech - Water physics and textures.

Clayfighter - Sculptor's Cut as well.

||The less mention of Clayfighter 63 1/3, the better.||

[plush summit]

Wetrix

[topaz otter]

Turok 2 pushes the n64 pretty hard, it has framerate drops big time, and the ram expander gets really hot so its constantly accesing it

I believe it uses it for hi res mode

[zinc dew]

That’s a misnomer, it’s really the “single digit fps” mode

[topaz otter]

Its the reduce global framerate option

Also that game has pen and ink mode

And both games have a bunch of weird dev cheats that do shit like turn on gourad shading

Might be good to use some of that to test it on the fpga since thats not stuff you typically have access to, it will let you know if some of the graphics are rendering accurately

[zinc dew]

Oh that’s a great point, easy access to the system’s built-in rendering techniques.

[topaz otter]

I imagine you can bypass the cheat menu and use a gameshark code

Im trying to think of other games that have cheats like that

[cerulean elk]

Bomberman Hero for being the best game on the system too

[wanton sun]

i think the mario kart screen on the first track is just reading back the framebuffer to a texture. Maybe it's difficult if you use hardware rendering, e.g. opengl. In a low level environment you won't even notice it.

[cerulean elk]

That was that one off “test” back in the day with emulation it seemed. Nobody managed to implement it / implement it correctly for a while

[zinc dew]

It’s better than the other two?

[cerulean elk]

Hands down

My fav game on the system @zinc dew

[zinc dew]

That’s awesome, I should play it then!

[cerulean elk]

The soundtrack is 10/10

Like something I’d listen to outside of the game good

[deft tree]

@zinc dew

[brisk edge]

The memes are too strong, quest 64 should be like $15 max

[zinc dew]

arrrg those prices lol

At least know without a shadow of a doubt that Quest 64 is better than both Pilotwings and Pokémon Snap

[little socket]

all those games should be $5 max, given that they lack manual and cardboard

[deft tree]

I got some good deals. 64 expansion pack for 33, Genesis 6 button for $6, Transfer pack for 6, GC GBA link cable for 9

They had a TE joystick for 60 I left

[little socket]

And I wonder how much residue those price tags leave behind

[deft tree]

None, they are actually good ones

[little socket]

but they look like they'd tear the og stickers apart...

[elfin depot]

Did Quest 64 have it's own Kiosk? I think not

[cerulean elk]

It did. The discount bin

(Nah I’m kidding. It’s fine)

[elfin depot]

I was mistaken, it was Pokemon Stadium with the Kiosk

Or is that for Snap? I'll have to check next time I'm there

[zinc dew]

It’s for Snap

Quest 64 is where we went wrong. Instead of worshipping it’s back to roots rpg gameplay we were all wowed by final fantasy’s cutscenes.

[stoic parcel]

This seems like a good time to use the new emote

[zinc dew]

[safe robin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-ascension-wwe-nxt-konnor-viktor-gif-7389292

[woeful grove]

why is the topic quest64 every time I look at this channel?

is it like the only good game for the system or what?

[ocean lily]

Quest 64 was the N64's killer app

[elfin depot]

Robby and the crew playing Quest 64

[desert crow]

probably mario kart or something, odd grip that all three are doing

[neat sierra]

Oh figured it’s because we would all have quit gaming and gone outside

[zealous hull]

It's just rarer because most people that played it just threw it in the trash. 😉

[worldly quartz]

if only quest 64 was ported to PC, my life would have been different

although is that a good thing lol

[oblique remnant]

Quest 64 sucks big time

[oblique remnant]

Just to keep the balance here 😀

[deft tree]

Little-leaguer Robby

[zinc dew]

gotta start somewhere! 💪😤

[worn delta]

More like RPG for Finishers.

[zinc dew]

@severe quail I didn’t know you liked wrestling. Did you try the Japanese import Shinkaku Ligma for the 64?

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/youve-been-played-played-sass-sassy-tricked-gif-4851099

[zinc dew]

Yes

[topaz otter]

It was one of the first rentals for n64 at blockbuster

And one of the most rented

Because people liked the art, rented it, and then brought it back

Blockbuster made millions off renting this game

[worn delta]

Can't wait for it being Game Of The Month here

[stoic parcel]

Also the day I leave the server

[topaz otter]

The devs of buck bumble were so humiliated they had to commit sepukku

[zinc dew]

That theme song is unironically good

[woeful grove]

im gonna add quest64 to the bad words blocklist

[stoic parcel]

Please do

And all variants

[woeful grove]

q*64

[stoic parcel]

Quest 64

Its not working

[languid dune]

Quest 64 is the Virtual Hydlide of the Nintendo 64 thread. What that means is different for each individual.

[topaz otter]

They should remake quest 64 and do the bomberman act zero treatment

[worn delta]

Yeah, I do feel the whole Quest 64 thing has run its course here, we should start talking about Holy Magic Century instead

[little socket]

that one runs like ass though

[marble cargo]

Nintendo 64 = Quest 64
SEGA Saturn = Virtual Hydlide
PlayStation = ?

[stoic parcel]

Bubsy 3D

[wanton sun]

The fair comparison to Bubsy 3D might be Superman

[manic basin]

Darkstone, maybe?

[marble cargo]

I was thinking Ancient Roman: Ancient of Dark Side, due to the comically piss poor production values.

[zenith orchid]

I'm really curious how much space that FPU will take on the FPGA

[teal citrus]

Actually, leave that for Nintendo 64. It's more infamous there.

Replace Quest 64 with Superman 64.

[manic basin]

If we do that, I demand we replace Super Hydlide with Bug! since Super Hydlide isn't actual poison.

[teal citrus]

How about Evo's Space Adventures, aka the PAL-only PSX port of Space Station Silicon Valley?

[wanton sun]

There seems to be a highly optimized multicycle 32bit FPU from Altera at around 1000 ALM. For a combined 32/64bit FPU that might be 2500ALM or so. But that FPU doesn't offer all OPs required for N64, so it must be increased to maybe 4000 ALM. As i will probably not be able to optimize it that good, it will be higher, but i really hope it stays in the size of the PSX GTE(6000ALM = 15% FPGA). It's completly unclear currently

[zenith orchid]

Without the CD system, I bet there would be enough space 🤞

[zenith orchid]

Now do you think it could be feasible to have a very streamlined FPU for a perspective corrected hack of the PSX core?

[gaunt star]

Beyond the Beyond

[wispy belfry]

Cosmic Race

[wispy belfry]

oh Cosmic Race is hella early, it's a 1995 PS1 game and is laughably bad

[reef kernel]

https://libdragon.dev/

Paper Mario and Smash Bros

Marina?

[deft tree]

From Mischief Makers

[reef kernel]

I think Paper Mario is quite easy to emulate

So it might be one of the first games, that runs

Like Wind Waker is for Gamecube

[reef kernel]

purely marketing material

i bet they play nothing

[reef kernel]

it says stadium on the bottom left

[elfin depot]

I think that's just advertising maybe? The kiosk was for Snap and has a sticker printer

[twin barn]

i remember for the longest time most emulators had stuttering sound, inaccurate slowdowns, etc... well after mario 64 was near perfect. years and years of paper mario never feeling right. not sure why

also the wii virtual console version had slowdowns too from what i remember

[reef kernel]

maybe they repurposed it

[reef kernel]

maybe they build around mario64

but I think Paper Mario is just easy on resources

[twin barn]

if paper mario is one of the first that runs, then i would bet that robert is doing it as a silent favor to me

[reef kernel]

not nessecarily simple to emulate

[reef kernel]

I was just mentioning it as what game I would play

[twin barn]

🙂

[reef kernel]

idk if its high on some list other than that

[twin barn]

it's my favorite game on n64 for sure

i think all the priorities right now don't even have the library in mind

from what i understand

it's all validating the model to hardware to a certain degree up to this point still

[brisk edge]

Wonder if we'll see a PC port of Paper Mario soon now that the decompilation of the US version is done

[twin barn]

given how robert developed the psx core and we got to see it every step of the way pretty much, he likely wont' really chase compatibility or bugs in specific games until the core is very functional already

[elfin depot]

No, the previous owner was the owner of a local blockbuster, he had it on the floor then seen how kids were treating it so pulled it and had it in storage ever since basically new, then sold it to my local gameshop last year. The Stadium is just advertising you can rent pokemon stadium at the blockbuster.

[languid dune]

I always thought the expected first game to run would be Mario Kart 64 since that's what he started with.

In the emulator that is.

[zinc dew]

The trick with meme games is they have to be unique and bad but have enough quirky/decent qualities where you can see someone liking it. It also needs to have some notoriety built around it.

narcoleptic caveman simulator FTW

[topaz otter]

How come you cant hook up a usb cdrom to the mister and load the disc in the psx core

[zinc dew]

Because we’re all sinners

[broken viper]

The same reason you can't pop any replacement disc drive in cd based consoles. They don't all have the same timings.

Although if it were a dumping system where it took a little bit to dump the disc and then played a rom that might work, but you would still need cd logic on the core.

[topaz otter]

Its already been done though

The ps1 emulators can load your actual disc on pc

[zinc dew]

Be the change you want to see in the world 🌬️

[topaz otter]

I have no programming knowledge and i eat crayons

[zinc dew]

me 2

@topaz otter it’s a general MiSTer thing. No cores support loading of original game media due to hardware issues and general lack of interest.

Some people have done RFID work arounds for carts

[topaz otter]

Evil mister devs forcing me into the dark sorcery of p*racy

[compact depot]

It’s not when you have the original cartridge 🙃

[wanton sun]

Emulators can do it, because if a CD access was slower than it should be, it can just wait and speed up the emulation afterwards and you will not notice because video and audio is buffered anyway. In MiSTer everything is realtime, so one missed CD access already would lead to stuttering. A native CD interface would work, but over USB you have additional latencies and even more if it's connected to the ARM/Linux and not directly to the hardware, so it is just impossible to be sure realtime requirements are met

[wanton sun]

yes, this standard Altera 32bit FPU would probably be enough already. But the bigger issue with PGXP is the whole datapath in the CPU/GTE/DMA/GPU has to be changed. You have to keep the normal integer values and on top of that store the floating point values, because the CPU could do postprocessing of the pixel positions, e.g. for range checks and the CPU has no FPU. Also the GPU must have a FPU interpreter at least to convert back. Overal this is so much more work, logic and memory bandwidth, i doubt this will ever happen on MiSTer

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I had a feeling it would be possible, but yeah a lot of work on an FPGA

maybe someone else would be crazy enough to do it 😄

oh well since you mention memory bandwidth, I'm not so sure

[wanton sun]

maybe it's not so much bandwidth, more the interface width. Currently a 32bit value is just a 32bit value. With PGXP you cannot just store 32 Bit, you have to store at least 32bit integer, 32bit float and some flags. There must be a memory structure for this and if these are too many values, it must be external(e.g. sdram), which raises timing questions

imagine dividing EVERY memory cell on the path GTE<->CPU->DMA->RAM->GPU into 2-3 memory cells

[orchid nimbus]

f-ing Candy Mountain Charlie

[zealous hull]

The two latest contrasting messages really show what the heart of this community is all about.

You all are great.

[thorn flax]

cd-drive snac adapter when?

[zenith orchid]

Yep, could definitely introduce timing issues.

Even if a way is found

at least I can't imagine an efficient way of doing this rn

[solid crest]

Is there a list of homebrew that works on the N64 core?

[compact depot]

I think the fun is on trying all of them

[solid crest]

Fair enough but nothing from the Hardware Target Game Database N64 pack works

I was trying to find more sources of homebrew

[compact depot]

I think only some of the test roms are worth testing currently

Pretty sure there’s a link for a github repo on this channel with those roms

[wanton sun]

the only visual appealing is the n64niccc i guess

most others are either static images, very simple demos or text

(from the working ones)

[zinc dew]

https://youtu.be/vdD58Hu46VQ

[zenith orchid]

wouldn't that just make the issue more glaring?

[zinc dew]

Ray Tracers

The spiritual sequel to Chase H.Q. that everyone ignored.

[worn delta]

https://twitter.com/MrTalida/status/1670102522076299264

MrTalida (@MrTalida)

Lots of great content in this 1997 Famimaga scan by @GamingAlexandri, like these very early screenshots of Quest 64. Pretty wild!

Twitter · Jun 17, 2023, 4:14 PM

[worn delta]

What do all the error codes mean again? I was idly curious to see what happens loading games, and interestingly got various different codes - E2, E6 and E7 on a handful I loaded. I assumed everything would have the same code at this point

[sharp beacon]

Bit 0 - Memory access to unmapped area
Bit 1 - CPU Instruction not implemented
Bit 2 - CPU stall timeout
Bit 3 - DDR3 timeout

so for example E2 means CPU instr. not implemented

[worn delta]

What do E6 and E7 mean?

[sharp beacon]

E7: mem access to unmapped area + instr not implemented and CPU stall timeot

every bit weights as 2 exp bit-number

E6 is 2exp1 + 2exp2 => 2+4

[iron dove]

'Yeah, we happy'

[zenith orchid]

No game though..

[reef kernel]

Ah, makes sense

It's probably a good first game to work on

[compact lark]

I think Namco Museum needs the least number of implemented N64 elements to be able to run, so it might work first before Mario Kart 64.
I might be wrong though.

[wanton sun]

Could be that Namco Museum will work before anything else, but i honestly don't care about it, so i will not test or work in that direction. Mario Kart is the number 1 candidate. No weird things in there as far as i can see and it only needs like 30% of the RDP to render fine

(at least for the first track, could be that some later tracks use more advanced things)

[maiden lintel]

Plus it’s the best Mario Kart

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-25913746

[languid dune]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-im-not-even-that-crazy-joker-gif-15444768

[maiden lintel]

I love mode 7 but not as much as polygons

And all the ones after that aren’t even kart games - they add stupid stuff like gliders and motorcycles

Or that one where someone stands on the back of your kart

[languid dune]

In all seriousness, Mario Kart 64 is the worst game in the entire series in my opinion. The handling is the worst, it has the worst track designs, and it runs like poop. That said! That doesn't mean it's a bad game. The worst of the best is still good.

[woeful grove]

I liked double dash

I know it's not a very popular one

[fair stump]

First time I saw mario kart 64 I thought it looked nauseating

[topaz otter]

You can hook up gamecubes with the lan adapter for multiplayer

Other than that DD is pretty unremarkable

Mario kart ds has all the gba tracks

[vapid hawk]

i kinda like the DS ones

actually all the portable ones, just generally

[zenith orchid]

yeah, the GBA one is nice

generally I prefer F-Zero games though

[inner bronze]

You're just mad because I'll beat your ass at MK64 every day every time.

[reef kernel]

Please, what's RDP in this context?

I love double dash for being well balanced

First, it's graphically nice looking and second is that it doesn't do much shinenigens like blue shells all over the place

It's still well balanced between skill and luck, other than the later titles who made it very arcade like

And I like the switching mechanic 😀

[worn delta]

Double Dash was my favourite, I felt the Wii one after was dumbed down and worse elastic band physics going forward making it less competitive. Also the two player co-op of one person driving and one person doing the powerups was a fun way to play with my partner at the time who was a more casual gamer

[solid crest]

Reality Display Processor on the N64. My understanding is that it is basically the GPU of the console.

[reef kernel]

I don't know how the Wii U version was

some people say it's better than the Switch

[reef kernel]

Aaaah. Yeah! thanks

[wanton sun]

i guess it's very subjective. For me mk64 is by far the one i played most, second probably mk wii thanks to the motion controls. most newer ones just have super wide tracks and are more item bound. I would have fun with mk64 even without items, thanks to the tracks. mk7 or 8 without items on the other hand would be boring

it's totally fine if you like those games, but i don't think i will play any 2D game on the n64, unless you count Kirby or Starcraft as 2D, which someone could argue

i had this game preordered for like 10 years and then they cancelled it for europe. Someday i have to play it, even though it's probably even worse in performance than on AO486. I think it has some exclusive missions?

i'm not even sure why i wanted it so bad, as i had it for PC and command&conquer was horrible blurry on my tv, i could barely read any text

[reef kernel]

Paper Mario? Ogre Battle 64? There are a couple neat ones imho

[wanton sun]

i personally don't count paper mario as 2D, but that's subjective again

[safe robin]

I'm surprised people don't like Mario kart 64. When it was released it was the best 4 player couch coop racing game. We didn't look back to the first Mario kart anymore because 4 players playing at the same time was so new back then. Crash Team Racing on the PSX is also cool but it's not as perfect as Mario kart 64 was back then

[reef kernel]

ok

[safe robin]

In general for my friends and me the 4 player aspect was big, I didn't know anyone who had an adapter for the psx to play 4 player games there and the n64 had so many 4 player games

[reef kernel]

I remember that being one of the perceived benefits of the N64

[safe robin]

I knew more people with a n64 compared to the psx. I had both at some point and for me the n64 was then better party console while the psx had more good single player games. My friends and I sometime hook then n64 up to play Mario party 2. We still think it's the best Mario party that was ever made.

[zenith orchid]

There are many great 2D games on N64

Dr. Mario 64

pokemon puzzle league

[languid dune]

Bust a Move 2!

[zenith orchid]

Worms Armageddon

Yeah that too

[languid dune]

Mortal Kombat Trilogy

[zenith orchid]

Bomberman64

[languid dune]

Rampage World Tour! NBA Hangtime!

N64 MK Trilogy is the default version used in tournaments. It runs better and Shang Tsung can be used.

[safe robin]

I wonder if it aged well but I played much extreme G back then.

[zenith orchid]

SimCity 2000 for the N64 might be the best console variant

[languid dune]

The missing characters aren't even worth playing honestly. Just gimmicky boss characters.

[zenith orchid]

yeah MKT for N64 is kinda its own game, since it has more unique physics

[languid dune]

For aftermarket releases, I know Xeno Crisis released recently.

Or on a MiSTer.

[zenith orchid]

I don't care for any of the MKT games. There was never an arcade version that served as a standard. I think the definitive MK3 game on the MiSTer is UMK3 on Saturn, quite playable on the current build.

Of course you can play the European version 😄

[languid dune]

Super MK Turbo

[zenith orchid]

Personally I like NTSC speed, its a little like turbo mode 😄

Really the best MKT is UMKT for Genesis/MD

From what I hear its quite polished

Yeah that would be cool

yeah probably umk3

[languid dune]

Just develop it from scratch!

[zenith orchid]

although UMKT is lacking on graphics and sound quality, it is a great experience

[languid dune]

I remember when vanillia MK3 released in arcades, I was like...where the heck is Scorpion!?

[zenith orchid]

Wouldn't it be nice if MKT on N64 could be reverse engineered? I'm sure people could do a lot with that.

Or Riptor

[languid dune]

Fighting devs just didn't like the hot characters.

They just weren't cool enough.

Sub Zero is the only character in the series to have appeared in every mainline release.

They knew what was cool.

||I could keep going.||

[zenith orchid]

Kinda like Ryu in SF right?

[languid dune]

I think Ken appeared in every Street Fighter game right?

He did. He became Noob Saibot. Such a noob.

[zenith orchid]

yeah never followed the story

I was surprised to find out Reptile was in MK1, and Ermac was in MKII

[languid dune]

Yeah, Reptile was the start of all the crazy secret characters in the series.

Ermac was an actual error, and not originally a real character.

[zenith orchid]

Error Macro or something right?

[languid dune]

Yeah

[zenith orchid]

Still weird that it manifested as a masked shaolin monk in red

[languid dune]

Smoke and Noob Saibot were the real secret characters in MK2.

And Jade.

The MK lore goes deep!

[zenith orchid]

Yeah but I mean characters that are really secret

Like, you can't even play as Reptile in MK1

but you can fight him

[languid dune]

Yeah, he was a fight.

[zenith orchid]

I stopped following after MKT 😄

[languid dune]

MK9 is really good if you enjoy the original trilogy.

It was done so well though!

[zenith orchid]

How does it appeal to original trilogy fans?

[languid dune]

But it wasn't actually rebooted. Believe it or not, going all the way to the new MK1 that is releasing later this year, MK's story is a continuous lore.

[languid dune]

It's a love letter to MK 1, 2, and 3. It retells the story of those games, but Raiden is aware of how Armageddon ended because he sent a message to his past self. So thing play out a bit differently. It also includes most of the classic characters. Very fun game.

Also, I look forward to everyone who missed this conversation seeing all the new posts out of context and thinking we're still talking about MK = Mario Kart.

[zenith orchid]

But it's a single game with all the characters?

[languid dune]

Not every character, but basically all the popular ones from MK1,2, and 3.

[zenith orchid]

What about gimmicky secret characters? 😄

[zenith orchid]

I see an MK4 character

[languid dune]

Yeah, they worked him into the MK1–3 story bits.

I like that Shredder from TMNT is in that game.

[deft tree]

No, arcade UMK3 is, trilogy 64 is something that often gets run as a side event or is popular in South America, it’s by no means the go to tourney game

[zenith orchid]

Yeah I don't recognize all these characters

[reef kernel]

Wow, that looks extra sharp

which system is that?

[languid dune]

I'm talking about MK Trilogy. Not MK3.

[zenith orchid]

I think he means among MKT ports

[deft tree]

Trilogy is a mess

Lol

[languid dune]

PS3 and Xbox 360.

[deft tree]

64 trilogy is definitely the most unique

No recovery teleport op

[zenith orchid]

any of you played UMK3 on NES?

[deft tree]

Lol briefly

[reef kernel]

Crazy. That looks super crisp

[zenith orchid]

It's surprisingly impressive. and plays so much better than MK advance

[reef kernel]

Ah, I thought

[worn delta]

Mystical Ninja 2 is a good 2D platformer if you are into those, but it is incredibly hard

[reef kernel]

That looks way too clean for PS2

[deft tree]

I prefer street fighter 6 nude Chun li hack for fucked up nes fighter bootlegs

[reef kernel]

But is it upscaled?

[languid dune]

Nope, that's just how the game looks on original hardware. It's a very clean game.

[zenith orchid]

But seriously though, UMK3 on NES is a blast

[reef kernel]

I remember reading a review on it as a kid

[deft tree]

I’ll stick to arcade lol

[reef kernel]

It was the first expose to me as a "2.5 D" game

[zenith orchid]

Cool that you have it 👍

[reef kernel]

crazy

Reminds me a bit about FF 13 that looks also very impressive for the hardware it is running on

[deft tree]

Lucky Facebook trawling and a nice redneck worked in my favor

[languid dune]

I still have that old FF13 demo disk that came with the japanese Advent Children release.

[reef kernel]

The graphics really carried this game

[zenith orchid]

Anyway, I hope one day MKT on N64 is reverse engineered so it can be optimized to play like UMK3, but with all the additional characters. Maybe even add the characters that were exclusive to other ports of MKT

@severe quail What do you call a beached mermaid?

Sandy

[cold pollen]

It's actually quite popular from what I've seen. Everyone demands its return

[zenith orchid]

😂

[cold pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/gorillaz-russ-russel-russel-hobbs-murdoc-gif-13029564

[woeful grove]

for a while people were down on it

[cold pollen]

Yeah that's what's funny

When it came out I remember everyone hating on it and saying it was slow

Now it's like a high point in the franchise 🤷‍♂️

MK8 is probably the first one I've truly loved. I had fun with 64 in college but now everyone that I play with knows it so intimately that I have no chance

[reef kernel]

dd has this drift mechanic

that can be abused

I imagine it being super annoying driving normally and that then with people who use that mechanic constantly

Other than that, I love that game

And I would also be down to a hack, that increases it's speed

[languid dune]

I remember Mario Kart DS being the one with the abuseable drift mechanic.

aka "snaking"

Which actually got its name from F-Zero GX before Mario Kart DS.

[worn delta]

Is double Dash 4:3 or 16:9? I think it may not play in wide-screen which is a draw back these day

[languid dune]

It's 4:3 only.

A shame since there are a fair number of 16:9 GCN games.

Well yeah, not actual true 16:9.

But it looked hella good on my CRT HDTV back in the day.

Then you had Resident Evil 4 that was just 4:3 and letterboxed. The ultimate in fake 16:9!

[worn delta]

Anamorphic is actually 16:9, nom anamorphic is letterboxed 4:3

[cold pollen]

Not in Dolphin 😉

[deft tree]

do you know about UMK3+? It adds Rain and Noob into arcade UMK3 a bunch of fun secrets, and a 2v2 tag mode marvel style

[zenith orchid]

I heard of it, it looks really cool. I wish they would do something like that for Saturn UMK3, since that seems to be the best console port of the game

I don't have the space for collecting arcade cabinets right now unfortunately

[deft tree]

don't need space to collect ROMs : )

I play it on fightcade

ive got the romchips to convert my board to it too i just havent yet

[zenith orchid]

Fighting games? and emulation? what about input lag?

[deft tree]

obivously i'm looking forward to the arcade boards making their way, but i'd much rather play real UMK3 emulated than FPGA any of the console versions

[worn delta]

Hah, yeah, I had thought about using an example of wide-screen Laserdiscs but then thought that probably isn't going to raise more questions than answers;-)

[weary palm]

Doom was always ment to be played with a mouse. Just watch the demos playing behind the menu.

Obvious use of a mouse: https://youtu.be/zVB2L_rlkIs

[topaz otter]

Only john romero played it that way, he used the middle button on the mouse for strafe

Everyone else played it the regular way

[brisk edge]

pretty sure for speedrunning purposes the mouse is the fastest way to play

although I never really liked how it felt

I was definitely keyboard controls only

[deft tree]

i played mouse pretty early on

[weary palm]

So Romero made all the demos?

Anyway, I find the game much more enjoyable with a mouse. It was a fun game to multiplay back in the day.

[zenith orchid]

is the Saturn version that far off? The only difference I see is some gfx compression and slightly longer loading times.

but nowhere near the gfx compression you'd see on other console ports

Oh, I think one stage also had the wrong music

[weary palm]

https://twitter.com/romero/status/473587688977596416?s=20

John Romero 🤘🏽 (@romero)

@fullbright @ADAMATOMIC @ID_AA_Carmack : DOOM was made for mouse input, so was Wolf 3D. Keen was expected to use keyboard.

Twitter · Jun 2, 2014, 10:11 PM

[marble cargo]

It was, but keep in mind we're talking the shitty mouse with the little ball that had a habit of getting stuck.

When you play Doom with a modern mouse, it's really obvious how the much faster precision breaks everything, even on the higher difficulties.

[zinc dew]

You know what doesn’t break with faster precision? DOOM 64.

[cerulean elk]

You know what is the best? Bomberman Hero

[ocean lily]

Bomberman 64 was best bomberman

fite me

[zenith orchid]

Indeed, couldn't agree more 👍

[oblique remnant]

My holy grail of LDs. The earlier SQZ edition isnt that good though

[vapid hawk]

is it even possible to complete doom with only a keyboard on its higher difficulties

seems like you just literally couldn't turn fast enough

[cerulean elk]

You misspelled Hero. It’s H E R O…not 64

[topaz otter]

Yes, i used to play doom with just the keyboard. Its totally possible

[pale mural]

I thought keyboard was the only way to play Doom and Quake for a long time.

[vapid hawk]

i originally played them keyboard only, but enjoy them way more with mouse now

same for duke3d

yeah with mouselook on they don't let you look all the way up or down

ion furys the same, i was just playing it today 😄

hm, Blood definitely seems like a mouselook game though

or if you're playing multiplayer

[vague bronze]

If you’re referring to this one, I agree https://bomberman.fandom.com/wiki/Bomberman_64_(2001)

[deft tree]

Gotta use a mouse in multiplayer if you wanna get those swing shots with super shotty

Can focus the whole spray of pellets in a tight circle

[topaz otter]

the source ports of duke3d fix this

I've been trying to make levels in the build engine, imagine trying to build the statue of liberty with caveman tools

mapster32

I tried some of the other ones but it was the closest to the actual build editor

using teleporters to make swimmable water is neat

the technical part of it isn't that bad, its the creative part. It's easy to overreach on what your trying to do and make a mess

here's the funny part, I sat down with a pencil and piece of paper and decided to draw out the layout for a build engine map

I showed it to a co-worker and he's like, dude you just drew a doom map

i looked at it, and thats exactly what it was

I have played so much doom that I draw doom maps by accident

yeah that limitation of the engine makes you more creative though

i think shadow warrior can do true room over room right

[weary palm]

Ball mice wasn't that shitty...

[little socket]

oh no, they were

[hollow orbit]

That’s one thing I refuse to add to my otherwise vintage machines.

[little socket]

sadly a thing one still has to do as a trackball aficionado

[manic basin]

Same

[elfin depot]

I got a cool serial trackball to use with my vintage stuff

[carmine kettle]

yup i remember those days lol

[hollow orbit]

I thought trackballs were optical now?

[manic basin]

You still have to clean the schmutz out.

[hollow orbit]

True

[manic basin]

There are 3 ball bearings in mine, but the tracking is optical.

[hollow orbit]

But it’s kind of satisfying

[manic basin]

True.

[rapid prairie]

is the rbf for the n64 core private or compile on your own still? I want to run these demos lol

[zealous hull]

You can always compile it yourself (I've done it, it's not very difficult), but you'll also see semi-new cores posted in this channel or via Patreon--if you're a Patron.

[cerulean elk]

Ahh another man of trackball class I see

I won’t touch a mouse

[manic basin]

I used one out of necessity and immediately realized it was for me.

As an editor, it's so much better for my work.

And as someone who can't keep his desktop uncluttered, it's a life saver.

[weary palm]

You guys must've had dirty homes or something, because I only had to clean my balls perhaps twice a year. 😂

[manic basin]

I clean my balls every day. I clean my rollers every 4 to 6 months.

[reef kernel]

I use a trackball as well, but I have to say the vertical mouse from Logitech is even better for me

Used the one from my wife, felt awkward for a moment and then just like a glove that is mare from silk 🙂

[little socket]

Nothing one can do against sweat and dust

[broken viper]

Pet hair man, shit gets into everything.

[hasty musk]

Framerate Drop was massive when Napalm Bombs or any other Effect was. But i loved the Port somehow

[cerulean elk]

It’s all I can edit with

Four button track ball with a center scroll wheel ring

[topaz otter]

A guy put his nuts in one of those automatic ones at the golf course, it ripped them off

[stoic parcel]

The gene pool lost nothing of value that day

[elfin depot]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-pass-out-black-out-faint-unconscious-gif-5302405

[worn delta]

So... Can we go back to talking about Quest 64 again?

[zealous hull]

What are everybody's opinion on Banjo-Tooie?

I played it with my partner again a few years ago...and I didn't like it as much as I remember. Banjo-Kazooi was perfection to us though.

[marble cargo]

Banjo-Tooie would be better if it didn't have a weird fetish for being redundant. Like there are too many missions where it feels like extra steps are added just for the sake of padding out the run time.

[cerulean elk]

You don’t want to know what gets under those trackballs lol. I clean mine with 91% ipa monthly

[topaz otter]

Was too long, too many collectibles, framerate was bad

Turning into a dinosaur was cool though

[brisk edge]

It has way too much backtracking for my tastes. At the time I remember it being really cool how big each world was but when I replayed it a few years ago I got really frustrated with that level size + the backtracking. It goes all the way up to the last world, it's wayyyy too much

BK1 has some backtracking but it's basically only unlocking a handful of moves, I think it held up a lot better

[languid dune]

Yeah, BK1 is definitely the better game over Tooie. Both Tooie and DK64 go too far with the collecting and backtracking. BK1 felt like the sweet spot for the genre.

[zinc dew]

And DK64 is better than both

https://tenor.com/view/lets-fight-sweet-sweet-victory-celebrate-donkey-kong-gif-11579830

[languid dune]

https://tenor.com/view/dk-nintendo-donkey-kong-gif-4472496

[zinc dew]

I wanted to like DK64, I really did

But omg the collecting

[wanton sun]

wasn't there a mod for dk64 that allows for instant kong change, removing 90% of the backtracking issues?

[zinc dew]

I mean I do like it, I just don’t love it like BK

[zinc dew]

Yeah! Waiting on your core to try it out.

[languid dune]

I did hear about that mod.

[zinc dew]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4961/

[languid dune]

You hear that? That's Robby saying "chop chop! Get it done already!"

[wanton sun]

i never owned the game, only had it for some weeks from a friend and got to the final boss without beating...will probably play it again some day, hopefully this mod works well

[little socket]

You naive children, that was his flex as he is already playing it on the mister core but does not want to share

[languid dune]

We are all sweet summer children at ❤️

[zinc dew]

Wow playing it on my MiSTer hooked up to CRT

[wanton sun]

it seems you have everything ready in your room

[little socket]

those screen reflections are oled accurate

[mellow path]

It was an incredible game in an era where I was only allowed to get 1 or 2 video games a year, but I would feel now like it was way overstuffed.

Like every game I owned I had to play till the wheels fell off, it was long time between my birthday and xmas 😆

[topaz otter]

same here I couldn't beat invisible k rool, that fight was nearly impossible

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/dk-rap-so-they-re-finally-here-they-re-finally-here-donkey-kong64-donkey-kong-gif-23509021

i remember when "concerned mothers" wrote into scribes and complained because the word hell was in the DK rap

[zealous hull]

lol, my incredibly religious mother made me skip the dk rap because of that.

it's a miracle we even got to keep it

[safe robin]

If we have a beta core till December I will play while singing this song!

https://youtu.be/KuvDsT4sRzU

[brisk edge]

The tag anywhere mod helps but DK64 is still a massive game, and some of the mini games are absolute bullshit lol 100%'ing it is torturous

[trim seal]

DK64 was annoying as fuck but I was the right age with the right brain to absolutely have to 100% it because...I dunno. As a result I have strong memories of the game but buggered if I know if they're positive or not.

[quick arch]

Thank you for the start of fpu work on FPGA 🙂

[wanton sun]

it was so important to do the soft fpu for the emu before, i learned so much and it gave me some ideas to make it smaller, but overall i still fear the size and clock speed issues it will bring 😅

[quick arch]

🤞

[broken viper]

Take your time and don't feel pressure. If it can be done you will find your solution much easier to come by if you can think clearly and aren't putting yourself into crunch time. If it doesn't fit on the de10 all your work will still be ready to go when the platform upgrades fpgas along with your work on the ds core.

[maiden flower]

We appreciate you! The Domain believes in you. 😉

[worn delta]

How are you getting on Robert? Do you feel you are making good progress with it? An FPU is serious business.

[topaz otter]

The barrel shooting was worse in 3d

Its a classic example of something that doesnt translate well from 2d to 3d

[gaunt star]

Aww TotS is weird but it’s a mood

Bless Artdink

I like this little bit about the narcolepsy

Reminds me of how animal crossing was designed to play in short bursts with it feeling a bit boring after 20 minutes or so, counter-intuitive w/ regards to how you would normally want gamers to consume your product, but absolutely effective within the context of the game and its casual bent

[final walrus]

have you ever played Bakuretsu Muteki Bangaioh? My favorite 2D game on N64.

[final walrus]

The german dub is voiced by the same guy that voices Brad Pitt. Now you have to live with that information, too.

[zinc dew]

that’s hilarious lol

[hearty python]

Think the speed is harder than the size.

[stoic parcel]

🥺

[zenith orchid]

Starcraft is definitely 2d

Kirby, I think it uses 3d models

[stone pilot]

Might've been an Expansion Pak thing

[stoic parcel]

No.

[topaz otter]

mario is now an elephant

[stoic parcel]

They've finally embraced Dendy as part of the pantheon.

[topaz otter]

.z64 files

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-sub-zero-again-we-meet-we-meet-again-mortal-kombat-x-gif-21316516

[kind nimbus]

There were games interlaced vs progressive based on the expansion RAM?

Not sure I ever knew that

[worn delta]

I think that is an option on Episode 1 Racer, can run at 240p or 480i with the expansion, but running at 480 the framerate is lower

Can't remember if it is 480p or 480i, I think the latter

[vapid hawk]

quite a few games that support the expansion pak do exactly that yeah

some have a menu option to turn it on and off, some you're just stuck with it

[brisk edge]

typically games called it the hi-res mode

I believe Castlevania Legacy of Darkness, Hybrid Heaven and Perfect Dark all have hi-res modes

Indiana Jones only runs in 480i

think Rogue Squadron also has it

Pokemon Stadium 2 also is mostly 480i I think, but I've never actually checked myself, never had a copy

[stone pilot]

480i only, yeah - no VGA here

[wanton sun]

well, i just started and have no FPU instruction done yet, only 20% of the data transfer between Memory/CPU and FPU, i will not have some answer soon i fear

[worldly quartz]

wonder if the 64 core can do my taxes when it's done

[zenith orchid]

hopefully your taxes are done by now

[zinc dew]

I don’t even need to watch the video to know the N64 wins.

[ocean lily]

duh, the N64 has Quest64

[zinc dew]

I nominate @ocean lily for congress. Clearly they understand what the people want.

[orchid nimbus]

Quest64 it's what plants crave

Quest64 the RPG mutilator - it has electrolytes

[iron dove]

N64: F@#k you, I'm questing

[viscid nebula]

How hard can it be, take some points and make them float

[woeful grove]

that's it, i'm adding quest64 to the bad word filter

[little socket]

with that you are making the pal release superior

[marble cargo]

Babe wake up new slur just dropped

[languid ore]

Quest SixtyFour

Bypassed!

[twin barn]

Quest64 vs Grandia 2 or Skies of Arcadia

The true winner is plainly obvious.

[ocean lily]

Holy Magic Century

[brisk edge]

I didn't realize there was a battlezone game on n64, probably kept seeing it on lists and just lumping it in with battletanx

[worn delta]

N64 core development time should be measured in "sleeps until Quest 64"

[topaz otter]

Q|_|357 8*8

[zinc dew]

Is that game good? I never played it or it’s ports.

He kicked me out of a club in Miami Beach once

Well all of us were kicked out. He rolled in and decided to rent the club for the night so we were all told to leave lol.

I know right

I was at a Sony press event in LA before it launched. They had setup playable kiosks for all the launch games in a fancy club. About an hour after we got there the club kicked us all out because Paris Hilton was coming. The Sony reps were absolutely furious lmao.

I was just happy I didn’t have to play that Gundam game lol.

I got my revenge on Paris Hilton. I made fun of some mobile game of hers on the E3 show floor and she replied with “fuck you” lmao

I forgot what I said, probably something to the effect of “is this game a train wreck because it’s an autobiography of your life?” Lmao

I knew I had just one shot so I made sure to take it lmao

I have a ton of great E3 stories

Here’s me meeting Shigeru Miyamoto as a kid:

Sorry, got a little personal. Anyways, I hope y’all have a wonderful day.

[languid dune]

The closest thing I have to an "E3" style memory would be when I went to Nintendo Powerfest a couple times back in the day. I remember getting to play Mega Man 3 way before it released. Easily had the longest line of any game on the show floor! I also played in that competition they had that used the special cartridge. Years later when they scaled down the show I attended another one and won a copy of the incredible Lawnmower Man for the SNES in another competition!

[marble cargo]

Today is the Japanese launch of the Nintendo 64!

https://twitter.com/livedoornews/status/1671896071482621952?t=WQnfaWk_Y2JpSCkwzwL_3A&s=19

ライブドアニュース (@livedoornews)

【ロクヨン】6月23日は「NINTENDO64」が発売された日

任天堂が1996年に発売した家庭用ゲーム機。「ニンテンドー」ではなく「ニンテンドウ」。ローンチタイトルは『スーパーマリオ64』『パイロットウイングス64』『最強羽生将棋』の3本で、後に『スマブラ』や『どうぶつの森』の第一作も発売された。

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[fair walrus]

(personaly, i want more, there is some time to kill before the release of the core)

(especially the ones where you insult celebrities 😇 )

[supple musk]

where do i download the WIP core?

[manic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

Right now you can build it from the GitHub page, but don't expect it to do much.

There's an older build further up the thread though. But a change just went in yesterday.

[supple musk]

ah, fair enough. what's the github page?

[manic basin]

https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64

[supple musk]

awesome. thank u

[manic basin]

NP!

(NICCC64 does run great and it's kind of a fun thing to watch)

[supple musk]

what is that acronym

[manic basin]

It's a demo. The "Oxygen" demo

[supple musk]

neat

[solid crest]

He does post WIP builds for his Patreon subscribers
https://www.patreon.com/FPGAzumSpass

[orchid nimbus]

@solid crest even if you're not a Patreon sub he'll post them

because in the end the more people that can test the better it is

[zinc dew]

I basically just load up the build every day to test if it can play Quest 64.

[brisk edge]

I wonder if any of the devs that worked on Quest have any idea of its meme status at this point

[wanton sun]

i mostly do the patreon build because there are plenty of people asking for them if i don't do. As i cannot do patreon post every 1-2 days as they take some time. The builds are mostly outdated soon afterwards, but i understand not everyone has the time to dig in that deep already, so i guess it's fine to do it as i always have one build ready anyway

i don't upload them here yet because it's just too early. Will do it once games are running

(if there is need for it, i can of course load it here to the channel, but i don't think it's the time yet for the test-builds channel)

[orchid nimbus]

the only thing we can do is go through the list of demos to see if things changed

[orchid nimbus]

dork

[uncut gyro]

personally, I'd rather you stay in your "inner developer loop" and not worry about doing builds/releases at all. just seeing the videos and screenshots of test suites is good enough for me to feel informed/involved 🙂

that is, unless someone is offering to collaborate with you to extend the test suites -- but even then that'd be private and not for all of Patreon

[vapid hawk]

yeah at this point i don't really need builds, though its great that you're publishing code already as you go along

presumably once games start working we can get the bot to do it

[deft tree]

i got my everdrive in december, I'm happy to twiddle my thumbs until its done lol

[stone pilot]

I have an Everdrive, but I'm still looking forward to things like playing StarFox 64 with a flight stick

[covert bough]

yeah also have everdrive, which is great, but it's fun to mess around with this stuff, try different configurations

[stone pilot]

I'd harass Robert with a lightgun PR, but there's no lightgun!

[deft tree]

transfer pack!

[stone pilot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64_accessories

[stone pilot]

My least favorite thing about the N64 is the Controller Pak

[covert bough]

would be amazing to be able to import pokes from gbc core sav files in stadium

[brisk edge]

But imagine running pokemon blue inside the core with the transfer pack

[wanton sun]

IF the core can be able to run stadium, i don't see why this should not be possible with SNAC at least. Not sure yet how much effort it is to emulate it, but as far as i see it's only an interface to read the rom and savegame, so could be possible?

i haven't looked into it yet, but there seem to be hacks that allow to run different games, so i doubt it's stored on the n64 cart

[deft tree]

ive snagged two copies of mario tennis GBC recently but they're both being picky about running on my GBC

need to find my GBA to try

i think pokemon genuinely transfers

no, just the data of the pokemon

which is then read by the respective game

with stadium your pokemon are either on the 64 cart or on the gb cart, you can't have them in both places

[chrome quest]

And the whole Cart can be read too for the GB Tower mode to play the GB games on TV

[marble cargo]

It's also recommended to transfer and use your own Pokémon, because the rentals suck.

[wanton sun]

as a teenger with no internet, i found it quite challenging to beat completly, even with highly optimized own pokemons, no chance with the ones you could pick...maybe today this would be different

[chrome quest]

Been playing the same on/off for months. Still difficult for my 30 something brain 😄

[deft tree]

i transfered my level 100 mons and smoked through the first couple divisions lol

need to finish it

[chrome quest]

The raphnet v3 can support the transfer pak. It's funny on PC emulator though. Transfering Pokemon, works great. Trying to play in GB Tower, loading in the whole GB ROM, lags very bad

I'm just playing on my N64 console

[deft tree]

same

[wanton sun]

i bought a transfer pak but it's only working if i don't touch it. good enough for development, but not for playing games. After reading about it seems that is a common issue, but i never had this 20 years ago with my own...which i don't have anymore unfortunatly

[deft tree]

i got one freshly refurbished from my buddy who runs a game shop/arcade while i was up for a tournament

[solid crest]

Looks like Pokémon Stadium actually reads the gameboy rom. This person was able to get non Pokémon gameboy games running in Pokémon Stadium’s emulator.

1 was able to get this Super Game Boy game partially working by modifying the header title of the game and using a Game Boy flash cartridge.
https://youtu.be/cB9jr4lOOvw

[deft tree]

yo power quest off n64?

[brisk edge]

I've heard they're finicky as well so sounds like that checks out.

[zealous hull]

Yeah, I basically just plug mine into a second controller and don't touch it.

[worn delta]

Is there a fix for problematic units? Is it bad solder joints or maybe the cart slot need a good clean?

[zealous hull]

To be perfectly fair, I don't think I've had any issues with my transfer pak so far, it was more of a precautionary measure. I just keep hearing how people's saves get wiped and it isn't worth the risk, to me.

Maybe I'll back up a cart and try to see how easy it is to corrupt a game when I have some free time.

[worn delta]

It is probably worth people using them to get out some isopropyl alcohol and cue tips/cotton buds and make sure the cart and Pak's slot are clean

And the part that connects into the controller

[zealous hull]

Yeah, I disassemble all of my stuff and clean semi-regularly. Once I bought a pak I did exactly that.

[maiden lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/are-we-there-not-yet-driving-gif-15355906

[worldly quartz]

Cant wait to get my gameboy camera pics off with this core

[wanton sun]

I found a way to improve the timings of the CPU by 1ns, so roughly 10% higher max clock. It costs 1% of the FPGA area. Currently only 34% of the FPGA are used(17% core, 17% framework) but still i'm not sure about it. 1% sounds not much, but it's 50% the size of the MDEC in PSX

i guess i keep a list of possible space improvements in case it gets rough

[neat sierra]

If things get tight just throw out the scaler 😜

[hearty python]

Wich clock rate you get currently? @wanton sun

[orchid nimbus]

60 seconds per minute

[inner garden]

Hi, all. Does anyone have a link to an already compiled version of this? The IDE uses up a lot of space
https://github.com/RobertPeip/Mister64/tree/main

[inner garden]

Well I just found a a way to get a large amount of space back. So I can do it.

[terse canyon]

building this now

[cold pollen]

So tiny

[wanton sun]

numbers in red are original system. So CPU still misses timing by 1.5ns, but so far i didn't had any unstable FPGA even around 75mhz/2.7ns off for the CPU, so i hope i can go forward with that. AO486 at 90mhz is about 5-6ns off and still works. But overall the 1.5ns will increase over time: fpga will get fuller and datacache and TLB are still missing. FPU should be relativly independent hopefully. I hope it stays at >75mhz for the CPU without TLB and >60mhz with TLB

the point is: if the core is stable even with timing not passed, it can be cycle accurate for the CPU, which would be great. If that doesn't work, i have to use some tricks to speed up the cpu even with lower clock

[inner garden]

@terse canyon appreciate it. Saves me some time

this how it looks for you all when it’s working?

not sure what E04 is

[maiden flower]

would love to get my hands on that N64NICCC demo ROM to give that a whirl 😉

[wanton sun]

you can just download it

[solid crest]

Do you have the bios file?

Rename your PIF ROM file (e.g. pif.ntsc.rom ) and place it in the ./games/N64/ folder as boot.rom

[wanton sun]

https://github.com/PeterLemon/N64/tree/master/N64NICCC

[maiden flower]

Appreciate! Love your work on the PSX core btw!

[wanton sun]

getting some error code is not unusual until you load a rom as the core will just execute whatever is in ram and with random stuff in there crashes relativly fast

before release i will make the core stall until a rom is loaded, i promise 🙂

for now this is super helpful for me, as the core starts running whatever is still in ram, so i can switch builds and don't have to reload the rom

[maiden flower]

demo runs awesome! nice and smooth

[wanton sun]

great 🙂

would have never expected to see you here. When i first visited your page i was probably still a teenager

[inner garden]

Well the only place I have found a n64 bios there are 3 files.

normpnt.rom, normslp.rom, pifdata.bin

[maiden flower]

Appreciate the support. Everything old is new again... again. 😉

[inner garden]

@maiden flower are you literally the person from that old website Zophar's Domain?

[maiden flower]

@inner garden Indeed. 11.9.96 seems like only yesterday sometimes.

[wanton sun]

the whole emulation world seems small sometimes 🙂

wow 96 even...now i feel young again

[maiden flower]

it totally does

[inner garden]

I remember playing DKC3 for SNES on an emulator probably downloading from ZD when it was what 1997 or something? In a tiny window but was amazed to see it working.

so those 3 rom files, assuming I have them (normpnt.rom, normslp.rom, pifdata.bin) do I just need to rename that .bin? or more complex than that

[solid crest]

You need pif.ntsc.rom

[wanton sun]

i haven't seen these names...your file should be 1.984 bytes in size and start with byte 0x3C, that's about all hints i can give you

if you have an everdrive, you can dump from a real n64

https://github.com/hcs64/pif_rom_dumper

[inner garden]

[woeful grove]

I remember you starting it, from IRC

[maiden flower]

kitrinx, did you always use the handle kitrinx back then?

[woeful grove]

nope!

[maiden flower]

i gotcha.

[woeful grove]

I picked this up in like 2001ish

but I remember #emu. I forget the network name but Runt was an admin.

was fuzzbuster there? am I getting that name right?

it's been a real long time

[maiden flower]

OH YEAH

lemme think it was before efnet, that was the true beginning

that's back when it was evilhomer, infe, fuzzbuster, me, astos maybe

let's see who else

mascot

[woeful grove]

YES

[maiden flower]

if given enough time i can reproduce more names from my ancient brain haha

[woeful grove]

gosh those are names I haven't heard in a long time

[maiden flower]

who was the dude that got "banished' from there

something mage

i came in maybe right after that

those were fun times hehe, everything seemed simpler

midnight mage i think

[woeful grove]

seems vaugely familiar

I remember some debates over how possible snes emulation would be given its steep hardware requirements

[maiden flower]

yeah i came in a little after its beginnings, i wanna say we had snes96 before it was snes9x, we had VSMC from the_brain, and there was also super pasofami from nobuaki andou? those are the 3 i remember

VSMC had a yellow palette unless you bought it for $35

[woeful grove]

the_brain yeah

I remember some debate over the ethicality of charging for them

too

VSMC barely worked

[maiden flower]

yep, him and marat were among the first to try commercialization

[woeful grove]

ines was possibly the second most pirated thing ever

right behind mirc

[maiden flower]

yeah, super pasofami i think didn't do a lot either at the beginning, snes96, none of them had sound i don't think to start and ran slowly on most computers of the time

[woeful grove]

I sent you a msg

[maiden flower]

i eventually did buy an mirc license 🙂

[inner garden]

that was the one I used first

[past mango]

Damn Zophar's Domain, loved the PS1 PSF dumps there, so much good music. Thanks

[marble cargo]

https://youtu.be/xFKFoGiGlXQ

[orchid nimbus]

what was that game again that everyone wants to play first?

some RPG?

[worn delta]

Holy Magic Century! 😉

[orchid nimbus]

It sounded like Quake64

[sharp beacon]

Quartus64?

[worn delta]

Brian's Quest: Only on N64?

[night saddle]

The real Quest will be talking about an N64 game that hasn't been mentioned a million times already. Godspeed! 😁

[uncut gyro]

and TheDraw 4.X

[orchid nimbus]

has anyone seen @zinc dew ?

he knows that game I'm talking about

[worn delta]

That one with Brian in it

[compact depot]

I’ve heard that he’s on a Quest…

[topaz otter]

I remember the n64 port was bad

The original is great but you need a win98 computer with a very specific year video card

[marble cargo]

Mischief Makers!

[woeful grove]

waveracer

a sports rpg

[night saddle]

I want to try the N64 follow-up to Shiren the Wanderer finally. Loved the SNES releases in that series, some of my faves on the console now.

[inner bronze]

Holy shit its Zophar

[stoic parcel]

We have those on NES as well. Hit the Ice by Data East

[orchid nimbus]

Zophar has been on the server since day 1 🙂

[woeful grove]

not from day 1 but for quite a while 🙂

[cold pollen]

It's funny that's everyone's reaction when they see his name lol

[orchid nimbus]

In saw zophar on Twitch once and I just had to join and ask - then I saw him here 🙂

I was around since the early days of emulation - and most people who have know the name instantly

I always wondered what happened to Dave from DavesClassics

[cold pollen]

Yeah, I was too, I had the same reaction when I saw him here

I think it was 98 when I found out about emulation, I finally had a computer and internet

[viscid nebula]

Zophars domain baby

My 90s emu news source

Zophar have you tried starfox ex yet 👀

[worldly flint]

1998 was about when I got into emulation as well. I remember playing NESticle and I remember the first time I ever played FF6 the emulator didn't support transparencies so the graphics were glitched.

[maiden flower]

that was conjurer, and he just dissapeared one day as far as i know.

[maiden flower]

no, but i need to! i'm just so bad at games like starfox that require good spatial awareness. hard to explain

but i will eventually. maybe the better framerate in ex will help me

[viscid nebula]

No worries! The first option on the menu is god mode if you need it 😉

Then you can just enjoy the game

[maiden flower]

sounds like it could be a great choice for MiSTer Monday - does it have any issues on the MiSTer SNES core to be aware of?

[viscid nebula]

Nope! Just use the MISTER/HARDWARE build (not fastrom) unless you’re using the new unstable core, then you can use fastrom hardware if you enable the superfx fastrom option in the hardware OSD menu

Fastrom only gets around 1% speed boost so it’s not necessary

I do recommend using turbo cpu and superfx in the OSD tho

Hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed your site growing up

[maiden flower]

appreciate you! 🙂 just downloaded your patch off romhacking

[viscid nebula]

[maiden flower]

now let me go remind my brain how to apply bps patches haha

[viscid nebula]

🤣

[maiden flower]

assume i'll need to use something like beat

[viscid nebula]

Floating IPS by Byuu is my choice

Apply to revision 2 usa no-intro

The manual is quite extensive but there’s a few secrets documented in there too

And a few undocumented secrets

It was such a blast making this 😊

[hollow pebble]

Haha, I’m glad I’m not the only one who eventually bought an mIRC licence.

[viscid nebula]

Same people who bought a winrar license

[hollow pebble]

I just moved to 7zip 👀

[viscid nebula]

rarsoft would like to know your location

[hollow pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/target-cross-hair-gun-surrender-sniper-gif-16853146

[maiden flower]

@viscid nebula alright, we have liftoff.

[viscid nebula]

horray! 😄

[viscid nebula]

if you hold Select and press X Y A or B you get some different stuff too

[maiden flower]

i enabled turbo on both cpu and superfx on the mister, runs well.

[viscid nebula]

great! that 21mhz superfx upgrade really works wonders

starfox is the only game they used the 10.7mhz clock divider on

[maiden flower]

yeah thinking this will be good for monday's twitch stream

[viscid nebula]

Oh sweet! Make sure you tag me, I'd love to stop in 😄

[inner garden]

support the games in order of release 😎

[wanton sun]

funny that basically every video from him is about reducing memory transfers. in this case he exchanged 1 memory transfer/cache fetch costing around 40 cycles to a function calculating several multiplications and a square root in the FPU, costing at least 60 cycles. This only helps because the RDP is rendering in parallel and needs the memory. It's a very good sign for the mister core, as our average memory access only costs less than 20 cycles

[bright nacelle]

Lol, i saw regular and fastrom and i was like ‘why not fastrom’ insert bilbo meme here and got a nice green screen! Will try non fastrom as well!

[vapid hawk]

its kind of crazy how starved the n64 was for memory bandwidth

i think he said at one point in mario64 the cpu is only about 50% used

[wanton sun]

Yes, it really is. One example: if i make the CPU in my emulator run at half clock speed, but let the memory access cost no overhead at all, games run at least as good as with the real timings.

another example: In psx the average memory read is 7 cycles. With the turbo-cache this was reduced to 1 cycle, but only with cache hit, so maybe 50% of the time, so the turbo high basically brings memory latency down to 3-4 cycles compared to 7 and the difference is really huge. Now imagine if the psx also would have 40 cycles to ram 😅

[worldly quartz]

Makes me wonder how much more it would have cost them if they made memory bandwidth larger

[little socket]

knowing nintendo, probably 5ct

[vapid hawk]

its possibly a victim of going to a unified memory architecture before memory was really good enough

[little socket]

that would be more of a sega move though

[hearty python]

Think with better and greater cashes the N64 could do much more. Not sure if SGI was afraid that they sell less Workstation, if the N64 was better.

[worldly quartz]

Yeah still salty nintendo just didnt up the power of the cobtroller ports and made rumble self powered (max 2 can be done)

[vapid hawk]

you can mod the rumble packs to run off the console

[worldly quartz]

Yeah up to 2 ports only

[vapid hawk]

yeah i've never tried more than 2

[worldly quartz]

Although who has that many local friends these days

[vapid hawk]

i used to take my hdmi modded n64 to the office back when i worked in one, 4p goldeneye on the 80" screen in the boardroom was great 😄

[worldly quartz]

Wow at least gaming is seen okay there

Here it's still a kid thing to boomers

I really should play with my n64 more. Barely touched it

[vapid hawk]

it has a decent library i think

[inner garden]

I have one sitting on my desk when the Japanese Mario 64 with rumble support in it.

[viscid nebula]

Fastrom does work on the unstable build if you turn the superfx fastrom option on in the osd!

[hollow pebble]

I remember playing 4 player goldeneye pal composite on a large rear projection tv when I was a kid.

My eyes bleed just at the thought.

It was just low fps blur

[silent marten]

Robert great new patreon post, was a really good read this morning

[maiden flower]

Oh hey there @silent marten

[silent marten]

Hey hey Z

[maiden flower]

What’s good in your world

[bright nacelle]

As you mentioned it barely matters if just went non fast rom! Will let you know how it went, but err in the snes channel 🙂

[viscid nebula]

Oh yeah poor rob 💀

[lean spruce]

Damn! just learned Zophar from ZD is in this discord. Wanna just thank you for all the emulation you brought me in the past! 🍻

[vapid moat]

Zophar? The legend?

[compact depot]

Himself yeah!

I was what, 17 years old back then?

Good simpler times

[lean spruce]

Thats were I got ZSNES and UltraHLE from 🙂

[maiden flower]

No problem, thanks for the support!

[trim seal]

Man, ZD was a daily visit for such a long time. Amazing work.

[rapid prairie]

I have fond memories of ZD and my first snes emulator experiences. Man time flies. Nice to have you here!

[viscid nebula]

Zophar: exists
90s kids:

[compact depot]

https://see.fontimg.com/api/renderfont4/1G9Be/eyJyIjoiZnMiLCJoIjo5OCwidyI6MTUwMCwiZnMiOjY1LCJmZ2MiOiIjRkIwNjA2IiwiYmdjIjoiI0ZGRkZGRiIsInQiOjF9/UE9PUiBLSURT/snes-italic.png

[viscid nebula]

How dare you steal super scope 6 font

[orchid nimbus]

@compact depot

there my new mister background

[remote hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-face-ok-cute-baby-gif-14541209

Me kid, poor , no games

[topaz otter]

what the hell zophar is a real person

https://tenor.com/view/john-c-reilly-shocked-steve-brule-surprised-gif-8937319

[chrome lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-eric-confused-gif-21721420

[topaz otter]

i downloaded emulators from zophar's domain back in like

1998?

[compact depot]

I think it didn’t host roms? Only emulators

[topaz otter]

maybe your right

[compact depot]

Lots of geocities sites with roms though haha

[topaz otter]

i did download nesticle from there

the cursor was a bleeding hand

I was like I hope my mom doesn't see this lmao

[maiden flower]

"DANG-USSS!"

[maiden flower]

Correct. We may or may not have had links to external sites to give a helping hand, however.

[topaz otter]

next your going to tell me that ebaum from ebaumsworld is also a real person

[maiden flower]

you know come to think of it...

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-muahahaha-evil-laugh-gif-4482837

[topaz otter]

how old were you when you created that site

[orchid nimbus]

stile from stileproject was also a real person

(don't google that - at work)

[topaz otter]

i have fond memories of downloading ultrahle

and getting it to work with a glide wrapper(I had a ATI Radeon 7500)

and playing ocarina of time with a joystick

the rom was 25mb I think and it took roughly three hours to download over 56k

[orchid nimbus]

something awefull was also cool around that time

[topaz otter]

yeah I use to read that, lowtax was a piece of trash though

[orchid nimbus]

well he died

[deft tree]

Lol

[pure ocean]

Device 5CSEBA6U23I7
Timing Models Final
Logic utilization (in ALMs) 14,299 / 41,910 ( 34 % )
Total registers 19163
Total pins 145 / 314 ( 46 % )
Total virtual pins 0
Total block memory bits 654,264 / 5,662,720 ( 12 % )
Total DSP Blocks 32 / 112 ( 29 % )
Total HSSI RX PCSs 0
Total HSSI PMA RX Deserializers 0
Total HSSI TX PCSs 0
Total HSSI PMA TX Serializers 0
Total PLLs 3 / 6 ( 50 % )
Total DLLs 0 / 4 ( 0 % )

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