NES/FC/FDS/Dendy

[harsh temple]

I need to patch the tile issue too dont I

in the file

[fierce estuary]

maybe

lets see what the nintendo world champion thing needs

[harsh temple]

I thought for a moment it wasnt loading, but the grey screen was just temporary as it loaded

[fierce estuary]

yes

[harsh temple]

I mean theoretically this should work for all the unisystem games

So.. bonus

Wasnt expecting to get this today, thank you

[fierce estuary]

some of them are mapper 99

most

if you can test all the dips for me, that would be helpful

they are all scattered around

[clever scarab]

[fierce estuary]

is mapper 99 just mapper 3?

[harsh temple]

Yeah I can test them all

looks at nesdev article on 99

Erm.. hm

[fierce estuary]

it's super simple

its just writing one bit in 4016

[harsh temple]

Dips for VS Castlevania work well

Gonna uhm.. "acquire" the others and do some tests

Im so rusty and out of practice

[fierce estuary]

haha yeah just assigning them to 3 makes most work, but it's slightly different

I should just add this now

[harsh temple]

I can test the rest if you want to do that yeah

[clever scarab]

@fierce estuary how much would it cost to keep this core update from being released, no reason just curious

[fierce estuary]

most of them just have messed up title screen graphics but correct game graphics with just mapper 3 heh

[clever scarab]

NOOOO

[fierce estuary]

ahh you have to do is ask robby and I will withhold it forever

[clever scarab]

[harsh temple]

So will I need to change the ines header from 99 to 3?

[fierce estuary]

no, I just hotwired it in that core I posted

well i'm bored of this, im gonna watch some movies

[harsh temple]

XD

[clever scarab]

@fierce estuary With genuine sincerity I think it’s so wonderful you’re doing this.

[harsh temple]

Wait I cant find the ROMs... nooo...

[clever scarab]

That’s a modern twilight zone episode plot

[quasi gate]

dumps of the retrousb repros?

[harsh temple]

"For your consideration.. batty loses her fucking mind"

No, .nes of the originals

Okay I gottem

I dont have a zapper or a crt

So I cant test Vs Duck Hunt

@clever scarab do you have a zapper?

[clever scarab]

I do

[harsh temple]

Wanna help Kitrinx?

[clever scarab]

I can’t hook my MiSTer up to a CRT though

[harsh temple]

...why though

[clever scarab]

No analog board

Because I really wanted a little power switch on the side lol

I got a GunCon 3 though, would that work

[harsh temple]

Oh, might work.. I think you need a CRT for light gun anything though

[clever scarab]

I can do light gun testing without SNAC, the GunCon 3 works on the NES core

If that’s helpful

[harsh temple]

it is, but I dont think it will work without a crt being used.

[clever scarab]

Oh damn how come?

[fierce estuary]

oh yeah, snac will completely break the dip switches

sorry

they aren't compatible

[harsh temple]

Well VS Duck Hunt/VS Gumshoe/VS Hogans Alley wont boot currently anyway

Oddly VS Freedom Force does

[harsh temple]

Cant get VS Clu Clu to load at all, on my end

[fierce estuary]

hmm that's weird, you're using the new core I posted?

some games take a minute

[harsh temple]

Its been about 4 minutes

Maybe its mad at the dip switches

Okay, pebkac on my part

johnsarcade.com/nintendo_vs_ppu_info.php

This page shows the PPU easily

[fierce estuary]

those palettes are better

they are desaturated a bit so they arent as horrific as the originals probably would be

[harsh temple]

Bonus. I did find the originals in my palette folder too

But yeah, Mach Rider is female on the VS Mach Rider

Barbarella vibes to say the least

[clever scarab]

I pitched Nintendo a Mach Rider follow-up

[harsh temple]

Neat

Did you know?

[clever scarab]

That the Mach rider was a lady?

[harsh temple]

Yeah

[clever scarab]

Nope! I found that out waaaaaaay later

[harsh temple]

Life Force NES Vic Viper pilot also female.. but of course only in the Famicom version

[granite pivot]

I have snac and a zapper, so I can test

[harsh temple]

Her updates make some of the VS - NES hacks start working too

[granite pivot]

I also have the FC gun, but it doesn't seem to like being hooked up to both a FC to NES adapter and SNAC

I do have the misters hooked up to S-Video and Composite, but that shouldn't be an issue.

[harsh temple]

Not at all. Ill DM you the err.. files

[granite pivot]

I already have the VS files, though I may have to fix the headers in a couple.

[harsh temple]

Oh, well. I already sent them

[granite pivot]

ok. thanks

[granite pivot]

Tried a couple Zapper games with the Vs. System. Freedom Force is the only one where the buzzer didn't go off, but I couldn't get the Zapper working with any of them. It does work for the Vs. Duck Hunt hack, though. I heard Zapper is mapped to port 1 for Vs?

[granite pivot]

couldn't get Vs Gumshoe to boot, but Vs. Duck Hunt and Hogan's Alley booted. Both with ear piercing alarm buzzer.

Also, Vs. Excitebike seems to have lost its 4 way mirroring.

Don't forget about homebrew Vs. games (also on standard NES). Neat Tetris variant with a kracken. https://mhughson.itch.io/from-below

The Vs. version works with mister since it's mapper 0.

Speaking of NES games with ladies. Gun Nac for famicom had extra cutscenes that showed a female pilot

[granite pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGLhXvL9D6s

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/2892/ Thankfully, this exists.

The cut images are actually viewable in the US version via in game cheat code, but all dialog related to them was removed.

[harsh temple]

Thanks for helping with the testing, and thats cool about gun nac as well ❤️

[harsh temple]

The VS Duck Hunt hack has soft dips implemented, so could be a fine solution for the moment. It's the main reason to use a zapper with a VS game, as its the version that has the bonus round in it

[solemn sedge]

I'm sick with a miserable cold.... seeing Kitrinx working on the NES core though brightens my spirits!

[harsh temple]

Lots of working VS content now

Check DMs

[solemn sedge]

Awesome. Adding to my test MiSTer now.

VS. Super Mario seems borked. It loads but with tons of graphical glitches. I haven't had a chance to play with dips and settings yet. Unfortunately, have to work for a bit. Will do some more testing at lunch. @fierce estuary Thank You for working on this! But looking forward to it for a long time.

[harsh temple]

Test the hacks too

[fierce estuary]

mapper 99 isnt implemented so mapper 99 games arent going to work right

[lost plume]

Wow this is amazing! Now to pluck up the courage to do Vs Castlevania, because Castlevania was already such an easy game it really needed to be made more difficult 😂

[solemn sedge]

That explains the glitching. Poor Mario. He dies as soon as a level starts. 😢

[fierce estuary]

I thought that was a dip switch thing

but yeah, there's no bank switching implemented, just a stub for 99

coin counter increments by two which is wrong but easy fix

[solemn sedge]

Oh, yeah, might be....I already forgot I messed with the dips. This is what I get for giving up caffeine a few months ago...

[fierce estuary]

there's a few things

probably dips should reset to off between games

technically there is nes 2.0 helps for choosing palettes and things too

but im afraid nobody but me will have them set correctly

[solemn sedge]

It's not dips, timer doesn't work at all. It's sadly unplayable. As you said, mapper 99 not implemented. The hacks of it work though. Been enjoying those for quite a while.

Pinball has a corrupted title screen, but otherwise seems playable. Will do some more testing after work. Again, thanks for looking at this!

[harsh temple]

Set dips to hard, 2 hit death, then one hit death later.

[harsh temple]

DM me if theres anything extra I need file wise

[lost plume]

I truly can’t imagine the Dracula fight with only one hit and that’s without the extra short time limits… Sounds like one hell of a challenge, wonder if someone somewhere has streamed it?!

[granite pivot]

There's also a later version of the hack that does away with the dips in favor of presets.

[harsh temple]

Oh cool

[granite pivot]

Not sure if it's an improvement, though. Normal mode is stuck with five lives.

[granite pivot]

1.4 of the Vs. Pinball hack reversed the controls during the bonus rounds, which wasn't an issue with 1.3. 1.5, which was released after the pack of patches, thankfully fixed that.

[granite pivot]

I like Vs. Pinball better in some ways, but I don't like the disappearing flippers.

[harsh temple]

I need to try the VS SMB hack

[granite pivot]

I like how that one has a menu with the dipswitch settings. One confusing thing is that the dip switch lists I have seen have the defaults at 100 coins, but most places had it at 200 coins.

[topaz siren]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/issues/365

I’ve noticed that I was not the only one who had this issue, so I wrote it up.

[clever scarab]

Thanks for submitting that issue. It’s always awesome to see!

[topaz siren]

Hopefully it’s a menu typo or something really easy

[topaz siren]

It’s an incredibly easy fix. Apparently I completely botched my directory structure. Closing the issue.

[harsh temple]

#share-media message

New NES homebrew

[harsh temple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3kpRQKPBY

[quasi gate]

Neat commercial, always nice to see someone go the extra mile for their projects

[harsh temple]

Needs bigger print runs for the physical version

But yeah I like the old CM

[quasi gate]

For sure, it'd be cool if they teamed up with someone outside Japan to get it more easily distributed. Though, I guess retrobit is really the only company I can think of that could do a large print run

[waxen shoal]

What the hell alternate universe crap is this https://www.youtube.com/live/Y9lltL0jeT0?si=mStV1F514ptcMwIx

[clever scarab]

Is it bad, haven’t watched the video

[waxen shoal]

seems to be garbage level 3D

[clever scarab]

Ohhh, well it was the 80s after all

[harsh temple]

Probably not any better or worse than the SMS

[clever scarab]

Oh hey you’re here

[harsh temple]

Ive only used 3D glasses with Famicom

[clever scarab]

@harsh temple have you played grand master

[harsh temple]

Yes, it's a good game

[clever scarab]

I’m watching the famidaily video on it

[granite pivot]

I have the 3d adapter and glasses. 3D is similar to SMS and the glasses can even be used on SMS and vice versa. Highway Star looks nice with it. No red/blue 3D.

I also tried a 3D hack of FZ for famicom. Pretty nice, though some parts aren't 3D like bosses.

[harsh temple]

I always thought JJ looked best out of all the 3D games personally. I wish it was Falsion, but the 3D effect made the incoming objects too hard to gauge for me.

[harsh temple]

FZ?

[granite pivot]

Fantasy Zone

[harsh temple]

Oh, interesting

[granite pivot]

Sunsoft version

Neat that Konami had the ship from Falsion in Gradius Gaiden

JJ is interesting. Pretty much 3D Worldrunner on speed.

[harsh temple]

IIRC Cosmic Epsilon was decent in 3D too. I wish Tetrastar the Fighter supported it. I think Famicom 3D is the only kind to not give me a headache, oddly.

[calm jay]

Nice! Mapper 99 in development

Thanks Kitrinx

[tepid umbra]

So what's the best jrpg on nes?

[harsh temple]

Dragon Quest 4, or Final Fantasy 3

[tepid umbra]

I only played dq1-3, should really check out 4. Thanks!

[harsh temple]

There are many of them, but those are the most advanced ones for the platform commercially released during its lifespan IMO

[granite pivot]

What does the Crystalis female patch do with the spell that turns you into a woman?

[harsh temple]

I havent played through it yet, been busy with all my music packs.. its on my list though.

[granite pivot]

cool. I like that there's also a translation out for the JP version, though the US translation is still not bad considering Nintendo's censorship back then.

[harsh temple]

#share-media message

Ive always kinda liked this one, how did Micronics manage to make one decent game so late in the system's lifetime

https://media.giphy.com/media/NTtF77l8lMjupZRvzj/giphy.gif

[harsh temple]

#share-media message

Fun video about Mega Man 5's Robot Master AI

[verbal holly]

Micronics making a decent game is news to me

[harsh temple]

Weird innit

[granite pivot]

The first Aero Fighters (AC version) had some Micronics staff and that one wasn't bad.

[wide void]

I am using an OEM NES controller on my MiSTer via 4dapter. Does anyone know if it is possible to toggle turbo fire on and off with this controller?

[harsh temple]

I dont see why not. Are you using an NES controller with built in turbo fire or a 4 Score?

[wide void]

@harsh temple no

[dreamy marten]

Try pressing the menu button combination + button-you-want-to-be-turbo

Ex: start + select + b

That's if your menu button combination is start + select

I have gotten it working with that

[wide void]

@dreamy marten problem with that is my NES controller is not set up to control the menu - my 8bitdo controller is. If I set up the NES controller to control the menu then it screws up my other controllers (N64, Genesis, SNES).

[dreamy marten]

Hi @magic fog . can you get a separate controller ID for NES or do you have any suggestions on how to have separate menu button combinations with 4dapter?

[wide void]

@dreamy marten at present, the only way to set up turbo fire is to have each of my 4 controllers (NES, SNES, N64, Genesis) is to have each mapped to control the menu but then that creates issues with controlling games in their cores

[magic fog]

The NES and SNES overlap on the 4dapter due to lack of USB endpoints. The latest firmware has a few updates to make common mapping across the 3 end points (NES/SNES, Genesis, N64)

https://github.com/timville85/4dapter/tree/main/4dapter_FW-HID

[wide void]

Hmm I guess I need to update the 4dapter firmware

[magic fog]

The readme outlines exactly how to map - if you map the N64 then the NES/SNES and Genesis align correctly.

[wide void]

Yes I figured that out some time ago. It would be nice to turn turbo fire on/off without having to map each controller (SNES/Genesis/N64) to control the MiSTer menu

I currently have the N64 controller access the menu

[magic fog]

I’ll have to look into the turbo setting some more on MiSTer - I’ll see if I can dig into that this week

[wide void]

@magic fog I am sure the ability to turn turbo on and off using the menu button is a MiSTer limitation. I suppose ultimately I would need a controller for each that had physical turbo switches but I really don't want to have to do that at this point.

[vestal root]

Would anyone be willing to test a particular NES rom for me?

It's this romhack: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4917/

It doesn't work on Nestopia, seems better on FCEU, I would like to know if it works on Mister

Basically if you can get to the first level, that's good enough

obv you need the original rom and a patcher

[median whale]

Gets stuck at the "SHRINE ROOM 1" screen on my MiSTer

oh wait

working! (guess I hit pause accidently), seems to work fine

[vestal root]

thanks!!

[harsh temple]

^_^

[harsh temple]

#share-media message

Joy Mech Fight! Love this one.

[solemn sedge]

When can we get our Russian Gambling fix on the NES core? lol https://cah4e3.shedevr.org.ru/bonza.php

[harsh temple]

Ooh, some vintage Dendy nonsense!

[sharp geode]

The best russian console clone of Famicom in 90's (name giving by Steepler)

[glacial turtle]

Does this dodgy Russian gambling thing work on the core or does it have some exotic pirate mapper?

[harsh temple]

Probably a standard one, but who knows. Is it even dumped?

[sharp geode]

yes

on cah4e3 page

but game will not starting without inserting game card with real money

just game stuck at this screen

[harsh temple]

Looks like the mapper is supported, but not the proprietary peripheral that it interfaces with

[sharp geode]

other mappers are supported like bootleg games?

from Super Game, Hammer Team

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/tc-ZTtdxjGw?si=Bu2Jb8ReHsNcme5k

[quasi gate]

huh, I had never heard of the Dark Seed bootleg before

[sharp geode]

enabled 9999 in 1 rom on MiSTer, with Dendy mode, and, i drop tears 🥹
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9HYL21d8gQ

this is my childhood

[sharp geode]

Contra (J) with 20230223 version core, crashes in Sound Test, using last unstable version, it works

[lost plume]

I keep meaning to update to the latest unstable NES core, it’s been out a few months now so surprised it’s not been pushed to main yet

[harsh temple]

Assumably there will be a stable core pushed out, whenever Kitrinx has the time to work on VS mapper support more and integrate it all in

[fierce estuary]

Oh yeah

[harsh temple]

It wasnt a nag, just a prediction on my part

[lost plume]

On a totally separate but NES related note, anyone had any experience with this? I don’t need it, have multiple NES consoles and MiSTer, but kinda still want it 😂

https://github.com/nand2mario/nestang

[harsh temple]

Id guess it all boils down to mapper support

[sharp geode]

VS. games cool

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/J6ePYJYwF8s?si=Ep6Z0BoXFbxSjxPc

[dreamy marten]

Just got one. Waiting on usb ports to arrive to play. However, I just noticed it's only "low speed usb" controllers and that even the xbox 360 is too new.

[lost plume]

Oh nice! Not sure what would count as low speed USB though! Guessing not Daemonbite that would be way too convenient!

[dreamy marten]

I think usb 1.0 and 1.1 since xbox 360 controllers are probably 2.0. Xbox 360 is the oldest I have, so I'm trying to find something older.

[lost plume]

I did see that some people have them setup with a ESP32 and are using Bluetooth controllers, probably not great in the input lag front but convenient I guess if USB options are limited to 1.1

[oak egret]

@dreamy marten eBay older Logitech controllers.

[harsh temple]

#share-media message

Maybe the most interesting Datach game on Famicom.

[lost plume]

Can’t find the info anywhere documented, but on the NES core what do the Hide Overscan and Mask Edges options actually do? I’m running in VScale mode 4 video mode to maintain integer scaling so what would be the impact on changing those settings?

[harsh temple]

NES loads graphics data in the overscan area of the video signal a lot of time, so hiding overscan will make that not show

[lost plume]

Sorry I should have been clearer, what I should have asked is how does it achieve that? For example I assume it crops the image by a number of pixels, but in doing so that presumably then no longer makes the image a true 4:3 so integer scaling won’t work, or it’ll stretch the image and distort it to force it into 4:3

[harsh temple]

@fierce estuary

[fierce estuary]

hide overscan extends the vblank down by 8 lines on the top and bottom

the aspect ratio is maintained

the NES never uses 4:3

mask edges literally makes the edges black and doesnt change the image size at all

it hides common edge distortion in scrolling games

[harsh temple]

Thank you for explaining

[lost plume]

Thanks @fierce estuary that’s really helpful. What aspect ratio is the NES? So I’m fine to mask edges and hide overscan and it won’t have any negative impact on the integer scaling, scanlines etc?

[fierce estuary]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/blob/master/NES.sv#L194-L195

[topaz moon]

.ARX((!ar) ? (hide_overscan ? 12'd64 : 12'd128) : (ar - 1'd1)),
.ARY((!ar) ? (hide_overscan ? 12'd49 : 12'd105) : 12'd0),

[fierce estuary]

right neither option will cause problems

[lost plume]

Awesome, thank you

[fierce estuary]

PAL however will not be the original (worse) aspect ratio

it will be a better more appropriate one

PAL games by default are usually skewed

[harsh temple]

#share-media message

This is a great little game, mostly slept on

[clever scarab]

Damn a Bomberman + Zelda hybrid sounds awesome.

[harsh temple]

He tends to hate on games a lot

But I really like that one

[dreamy marten]

wow AND Keroppi!

[fierce estuary]

All NES games are good, some are just less good than others

except chetahmen 2

there is no goodness there

MiSTer core supports Cheetahmen2 though

@glacial turtle to you, it's a hidden gem. You should play it.

[lost plume]

Never heard of it… certainly looks interesting though

[harsh temple]

"For a given value of good."

[clever scarab]

I thought you hated NES lol

[harsh temple]

[quasi gate]

I used to have the WR for Cheetahmen 2, because nobody had bothered to speed run it before. Unfortunately this caused at least like 5 or 6 other people to run it over the years. So much time that could have been used for better things 💀

[clever scarab]

removed bad joke

yeah that joke is real dark, I’m 50/50 on deleting it

[quasi gate]

Jeez lol all of those folks are actually quite nice, that I can say for sure.

One of them became a good friend of mine, he just found my run randomly and bugged me about strategies.

[clever scarab]

that’s awesome! Yeah I deleted the joke, sorry about that.

I love speed running

[quasi gate]

Swing and miss, no worries

But for real, I don't recommend ever running the game, it has some of the worst controls I've ever had to internalize

[harsh temple]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-cat-gif-25983476

[quasi gate]

And now I see a cat 🙂

[fierce estuary]

cheetahmen2 is a game without merit

[quasi gate]

I mean you can kind of have fun with the nunchuck guy, he can just infinitely cancel his jumps with attacks so you can just float over the stage

It's fun for a few seconds at least lol

[fierce estuary]

im surprised it's actually possible to beat

[granite pivot]

Funny how that meme SMB parody used its music.

[main narwhal]

I like seeing QoL romhacks that make kusoges bearable. like the one for ET

wonder if anybody tried to patch that

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/778/

there is this at least ^

[harsh temple]

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7086/

I had this CIB in its metal tin box

Its not a good game or anything, but it is interesting. I think Ill fire this up

The way the NES core handles auto disk flipping and loading really would improve playing it a lot too

https://tcrf.net/Development:Sunsoft_Dev_Disks

[quasi gate]

this is the patch we use for the speedrun, mostly for the fact that it lets all levels progress normally lol the original rom is just kind of random whether or not you get to play the last half of the stages. But it really only makes the game marginally more playable

[main narwhal]

fair enough

[harsh temple]

Mythbusters proved you can in fact polish a turd, I guess.

There's worse games on the platform. I'd rather play Cheetamen 2 than Super Monkey Daibouken or Bats and Terry

[main narwhal]

Transformers: Convoy no Nazo

I unknowingly got the cart for that 😅

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/yWTnX3CoTp4?si=MRasR3UKKKWEt9TW

Better quality

https://youtu.be/IDFXkxm8QoA?si=UL7C0RtL2DsJKQiD

Yikes... that is some god awful 2C33

[main narwhal]

the FDS version is better😅

https://youtu.be/21dKmNUtASc?si=Kw4KdD3IrkdCAusw

by 0:48 you will understand the infamy of this thing

[quasi gate]

Yeah, I don't think I'd really want to spend much time playing transformers or Super Monkey Daibouken...not familiar with Bats and Terry but, I know the Famicom has some deep dark evil lurking it's in library well enough to continue not knowing anything about that game 🥲

[main narwhal]

I tell my friends that Takeshi's Challenge is an early Yakuza game

it was ambitious for the time at least

[sharp geode]

general "kusoge" game

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/U4yVjBYJaYc?si=0gNdEXXxZdjiucIt

[fierce estuary]

it's a little too noisy for nes

so many channels it loses the purity of channels that nes is known for

and it's a little cheating because they arent leaving a channel for the sound effects

good use of saw though

[harsh temple]

Could that be said for expansion audio in general?

[fierce estuary]

some

vrc7 for sure

most dont use more than 1-2 extra channels

[harsh temple]

VRC6 was designed to be used in tandem with 2A03 IIRC

Yeah

[sharp geode]

VRC VII also planned for Tiny Toon Adventures 2 on Famicom, but not used at full

game music playing like MMC3

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/YCMHkhTyHyw?si=ys5t4LFNW-pX7yz4

[fierce estuary]

im okay with this

it's pleasing

they use a lot of cpu on those twangy notes

[harsh temple]

I added it to the SNES version with MSU-1. It is heresy, but I like it lol.

https://youtu.be/URjYJsVMykE?si=8wvJF0dlKGpiVqKZ

[fierce estuary]

eh

[harsh temple]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

https://youtu.be/qNh8s-Ss4VA?si=im4kwS_AjVAvnueD

I've been committing gradius music heresy in general a lot lately though

[steep forge]

so im into the custom keyboard hobby and found out i can use the family basic famicom keyboard on pc with a raphnet adapter. just bought one lol, im so excited!

[harsh temple]

Oh neat, should work on MiSTer too. It lacks a fair bit of keys though

[steep forge]

look how clean this thing is. just bought it on ebay

[harsh temple]

No yellowing, nice

[steep forge]

comes with the box

heres another pic

it's missing tab but i can remap stuff in games. i usually play fps games so the missing keys shouldnt be a big deal

should be fun for a little while at least

[glacial turtle]

Does the Famicom keyboard work via SNAC now?

[sharp geode]

it should be via extension port 15 pin

how about Russian console keyboard? 😄

[glacial turtle]

Ah yeah, I am forgetting it used that expansion port not controller port

[sharp geode]

@steep forge 8bitdo Famicom Keyboard also works on real Famicom

https://vxtwitter.com/darthcloud64/status/1718817668986253820

[solemn sedge]

Nice Mario Overworld Remix#share-media message

[steep forge]

i had no idea that keyboard existed. it's also hotswap so that's a big plus. i might check it out someday but it sounds kinda loud compared to my custom board

if i wasnt deep into the keyboard hobby i would buy that in a heartbeat. really good deal for what it is too

[sharp geode]

Dr. Mario with Grayscale filter is impossible to play 😄

[dreamy marten]

Haha yeah maybe try the gameboy version with the shaded capsules

Oh i see you're on the av famicom.

[sharp geode]

Gameboy just little easy distinguish capsules

why i mention Dr, Mario with black and white filter, just like in 90's

old CRT and RF cable

just like in this video https://youtu.be/rJQr3tnjHlg?t=382 6:22 timing

[median whale]

MiniTrini!

[sharp geode]

snac for NES arrived

[clever scarab]

I do love it!

[harsh temple]

Is this true love? Or just fatbaby nonsense?

[harsh temple]

https://youtube.com/shorts/z0I98_WTPFQ?si=KRNBzQYAnOBkCE5g

@clever scarab and his kids

... why does the NES have stereo RCA output

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[oak egret]

I believe you mean the Nintendo NES. What a subtle piece of nails on a chalkboard. 😅

[harsh temple]

Reeeeee

[granite pivot]

They actually animated a fake DK with incorrect music. Most shows just use sound effects from the 2600 version.

[granite pivot]

He could have just lazily used a stereo cable and hooked all three prongs to the TV (I have done that by accident before).

(not that I expect Family Guy to be realistic)

Donkey Kong isn't the first game I would use to show off the NES, though that homebrew port with tate is nice.

Also, Peter Griffin pretty much said "Nintendo Nintendo Entertainment System"

[granite pivot]

I wonder if he also played Space Harrier on his Sega SMS

[lean stag]

i had a quick question, i was playing super mario 3 yesterday and noticed that the sound was going in and out and skipping while the game was running, anyone knwo what might cause that? i saw something online that said the vsync being set to 0 might be the reason?

[sharp geode]

Core version?

[lean stag]

the most up to date one

[sharp geode]

230223 stable, or unstable 230728?

[sharp geode]

i might be trying to testing myself

[sharp geode]

played 2 worlds in SMB 3 - nothing problems i didn't saw about sounds

in last unstable core

[lean stag]

Stable core

[sharp geode]

stable core has problems, that's why i use unstable core

you can download there #unstable-nightlies message

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/d4TFZmqkwms?si=vzsvijy53BFRAH9C&t=16

[sharp geode]

sadly, mapper 215 not supported, but this game is cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcby7_UcCZ8

[lean stag]

Awesome thanks for the help

[solemn sedge]

This actually looks far better than I would have imagined.

[harsh temple]

I wish I could say the same.

[glacial turtle]

https://www.nesdev.org/wiki/INES_Mapper_215

Wonder if this one is a difficult add

[harsh temple]

Difficult, probably not. Desirable, also probably not

[sharp geode]

hmm, very interesting

Super Shinobi (Super Game) on mapper 4 - works

but 2 in 1 version with MK 3 mapper 215 - nope

[harsh temple]

Try changing the mapper to 4 in the ines header

[sharp geode]

for 2 in 1 rom or MK3?

[harsh temple]

For whichever you like. Im just curious.

[sharp geode]

in emu crashed

[harsh temple]

Emu?

[sharp geode]

emulator

used Mesen

[harsh temple]

Oh.

[sharp geode]

having ines header to changing mapper

in last unstable core also crashed

[harsh temple]

Worth a try.

[clever scarab]

Does this core support the mapper used by Mario 3 Beads?

Katronx?

[supple ermine]

They have to add support for the Nintendo Cereal System first.

[fierce estuary]

MMC3 - Multicolored Macrame Construction mapper

[harsh temple]

the workhorse of the platform, most cloned mapper

[fierce estuary]

batty has the whole yarn on it

[harsh temple]

ready to knit via fds

[median whale]

there was also a Gameboy Color Powered Sewing Machine:

[fierce estuary]

part of me wants this to be real

[median whale]

It was a prototype

it has been recreated with a generic knitting machine:

[lean stag]

hey just one last question, will this work with a stable mister build, or do i need the unstable?

[sharp geode]

whatever

i did once update_all script (when i got MiSTer), then download core and works

ver. of mister is 231018 to me atm

[steep forge]

it has arrived! its pretty cool but not great for gaming lol. if you press asd at the same time it types R for some reason making me reload. the keys are also very tiny but it's just fun to have anyway. always wanted to try one of these things out

seems like it bugs out if you press more than 2 keys at the same time

[sharp geode]

oh my

[steep forge]

it feels like cherry reds but only actuates when the keys are fully pressed down

[sharp geode]

time to write something on Family BASIC

[main narwhal]

i have two of those, one was DOA. Wonder if its repairable

I like how the keys are tinier than normal,feels rsther different than a normal keyboard

[harsh temple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUz_3w0E4oc

[granite pivot]

Adventures in the Magic Kingdom is an odd game. Invisible timers suck.

I like Uridium and liked the NES port, despite using a movie license and having nothing to do with the movie.

[granite pivot]

I also like Hyper Sentinel quite a bit.

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/FiYRWLQIXOo?si=ybmrH0pzwedRhFf5

Such a familiar tune :)

[solemn sedge]

I have a sudden urge to put on boxing gloves.....

[granite pivot]

Is there any way to directly support the FC expansion port? Not all controllers are wired to the Zapper pinout. US Vaus works in the FC Expansion port with US Arkanoid (and only US Arkanoid), but JP Vaus does not work in port 2 on NES, even with JP Arkanoid games. JP Vaus only works with JP Arknoid games using the expansion port on Famicom.

Arkanoid II FC seems to use NES port 2 as a debug port.

When some Famicom controllers are using SNAC, the behavior is more like port two of the NES rather than the expansion port.

I should test, but does the passthru port on the 3D adapter work when using SNAC?

[granite pivot]

I got some weirdness when I played JJ right after 3D World Runner. 3D is red/blue (but still set for shutter glasses) and HUD is more like World Runner.

Probably uses some of the same code.

[granite pivot]

3D works great, though. Tried with JJ and the FC Fantasy Zone 3D hack. World Runner went to an odd full color 3D mode that lacked the shutter cues after playing JJ.

and JJ does the opposite after World Runner. Red/Blue, but keeps the shutter cues.

JJ also has his original, more cartoony, sprite.

Apparently the game data is still in RAM before going to the next game?

Hudson Joycard works through the 3D adapter and is detected as the first controller. (Proper FC style expansion support really needs to be added).

[dire lodge]

Playing FF1 first time and somehow I thought the gear I bought gets auto-equipped until fiddling in the gear menus and seeing it's actually manual

I somehow made my party fight bare-handed a couple levels wondering was this game really like this for everyone

[granite pivot]

Yeah, there were some QoL additions to later games and it's definitely noticeable after playing one of the SNES games before FF1.

Reported the JJ and World Runner issue on github. Is it possible to access the World Runner JJ sprite normally? It's clear the games definitely share code.

[harsh temple]

As I recall, JJ was the best overall looking game compatible with the 3D shutter glasses. I wanted it to be Falsion, but the incoming objects just didnt translate well

[granite pivot]

I should try that GG code to see if World Runner is secretly compatible, but I have a feeling I'll have the same results I had when I played 3D World Runner right after JJ (3D is normal colored, but still not designed for shutter glasses).

Also, the hard mode code cutscene played with a GG code on World Runner and a variation showed up in JJ when I started it right afterwards

[harsh temple]

Odd

[granite pivot]

yeah, I don't think the internal RAM is being cleared before starting games.

https://tcrf.net/The_3-D_Battles_of_World_Runner

[harsh temple]

Oh, I didnt know it had a mode for shutter glasses

[granite pivot]

It may not. When that weirdness happened with switching between games I got a regular colored 3D mode that didn't work with the glasses and vice versa for JJ

[granite pivot]

Tried the Worldrunner cheat code after figuring out how to do it (I can't just place a GG code in a file?). It only changes the color, it doesn't change the timing, so it doesn't work with the shutter glasses.

and the tcrf article makes it sound like the FDS version has a toggle, but, as far as I can tell, that one is also stuck with red/blue non-active 3D.

Someone made a SMB 1 hack with reverse scrolling, the ability to pick up shells, controllable jumps, and readable signs.

I don't like having to change the swap controllers setting for the 3D glasses. I don't swap controllers to use them on an AV Famicom.

[fierce estuary]

what is JJ?

and yes, ram is never cleared prior to starting games, by design

[granite pivot]

JJ - Tobidase Daisakusen Part II is a Japan only sequel to 3D World Runner, though in some ways it's more like a rom hack than a sequel.

So it's not surprising that there are leftovers from the original Tobidase Daisakusen.

[granite pivot]

I'm not even sure if the stages are different in JJ. It's pretty much 3D World Runner on speed with better 3D (full shutter glasses support) and altered graphics. Even the cheat code that is given at the end of the game is exactly the same.

I didn't think of trying it, but would the 3D Glasses work on a NES with a FC to NES adapter in port 2? And if I did that, would a Joycard work through it like it does on MiSTer?

[steep forge]

i think you need the enio expansion board to get stuff like that working on the nes

[granite pivot]

Depends on the controller and MiSTer doesn't work like the FC works and seems to behave more like port 2.

[steep forge]

ENIO Expansion board.

This board plugs into the bottom expansion port on front-loading NES systems. It enables people who are playing Famicom games (via a modified adapter) to hear the expansion audio used in those games. It also includes a port that allows you to use Famicom peripherals, such as the keyboard and 3D glasses.

the board does support it

[granite pivot]

I know what it is. You misread.

[steep forge]

oh i was just double checking

[granite pivot]

The mister behavior acts more like NES port two and I had to change the swap controllers setting to use the glasses.

which I wouldn't have to do on an actual Famicom

[steep forge]

hmm that would be cool if it does work

how is the 3d on the glasses. i've always been a fan of 3d and was wondering if it's any good. some people online say it's terrible

[granite pivot]

yeah. Might not be wired the same since it's a special setting. I found it to be pretty good, definitely much better than the red/blue 3D of Rad Racer (though I heard that one is broken since the shutter cues weren't removed).

[steep forge]

nice, im guessing i need a crt?

[granite pivot]

yes

[steep forge]

if you have vr i recommend checking out 3dsen vr. it's a nes emulator with some 3d conversions in vr

it's pretty cool and the supported games list is getting bigger

it would be nice to have a crt again but the hunt for a good one seems like a hassle

i just play on my low lag gaming monitor these days

[granite pivot]

Tried the adapter on NES. Doesn't work from port 2, so the implementation in MiSTer is confusing. Earlier posts mention using the adapter and playing games with it on MiSTer. Sorry for the confusion.

at least the glasses work in mister

[fierce estuary]

there's a special adapter for 3d glasses. I implemented it but I dont remember hte details, maybe @tame flame remembers

[tame flame]

The Famicom 3D glasses require a Famicom SNAC adapter. The glasses have a box with 2 3.5mm audio jacks so you can use 2 sets of glasses at the same time.

You can also get Asus glasses. SMS also works. Some of the glasses have inverted phase so you have to flip them upside down. SMS is opposite Famicom. I can’t remember if Asus matches SMS or Famicom.

A CRT is required since modern displays drift in and out of phase for some reason

[granite pivot]

Yes, I have been using your SNAC adapter. I love it! Also, I "tried the adapter" on NES (using a raphnet FC to NES adapter in port 2) in the previous post. I said the implementation was confusing on MiSTer, not becuase I didn't get it to work (the opposite), but becuase I had to swap controllers to get the p1 controller to work, which is not how it works on Famicom.

Some controllers only work from the expansion port on FC, but detect the port as port 2 on the NES on Mister.

I also have the Asus, FC, and SMS glasses. I think Asus is closer to FC since they seemed to work better with FC when I used them.

[granite pivot]

I should check to see how MiSTer handles JP four player games. The expansion port is used for extra controllers for FC games and it works differently from the four score. Four score can be used on the AV Famicom, but only with the US NES games that support them (via everdrive or FC to NES adapter). There's a translation hack for Moero Twinbee that adds four score support, but removes expansion support.

[granite pivot]

Mister currectly doesn't support expansion port multiplayer and only has one multitap option. 😦

[granite pivot]

What I have been trying to say is that I have been using the SNAC adapter for FC, but there's no way to make it function like the actual FC expansion port.

P1 controller isn't swapped on the FC, but I have to swap it (hudson joycard in 3D Adapter passthrough port is detected as controller 1 with SNAC option turned on for 3D glasses) to use the USB controller on MiSTer. I edited my earlier post to clarify.

There's already a post on github about the multitap issue. Why isn't there an option to directly set a controller to the expansion port?

Using the JP Vaus controller in SNAC starts a 2p game in Arkanoid 2 and acts glitchy. Similar behavior to plugging it in to port 2 with a NES to FC adapter IIRC

At least FC controllers do work through the 3D Adapter passthrough on MiSTer.

[harsh temple]

Part of the problem is that the SNAC interface does not have enough pins to normally account for the Famicom's 15 pin expansion port

[granite pivot]

yeah and I don't think the Vaus is 100% supported by SNAC. The multitap thing isn't snac exclusive. Even with three USB controllers plugged in, I can't play JP multiplayer games in 3-4 players. No problem doing that with the misteraddons NES to FC expansion adapter on an actual AV famicom.

well, no problem testing it at least

[fierce estuary]

there's not enough pins and most of the peripherals that matter are supported

I dont care about controllers

only the special ones

[granite pivot]

FC 4 player works differently from Four Score and is supported by emulators and AVS

There should be an option for FC Multitap, not just multitap

I understand the lack of pins, but there should be a way to make it so the controller doesn't act like it's plugged into an entirely different port

Also, it's not just with snac. Even SNAC-less expansion port support is lacking

especially for multiplayer games

and "peripherals that matter"? We're talking about two extra standard NES controllers!

The FC adapter from 2600 adapter also behaved with the Vaus controller as if it was connected to the wrong port.

IIRC

[fierce estuary]

yeah I know how it works

the controller stuff is mostly geared towards american versions of the game, snac stuff is hopelessly convoluted in that regard

[granite pivot]

Is there a way just to get Mister to detect controllers 3 and 4 from the expansion port (SNAC or no SNAC)?

Anyway to have the expansion port as ports 3 and 4 instead of replacing port 2?

and the American Super Dodgeball doesn't have 4 players normally and still needs the expansion port if hacked with game genie or something

I understand some controllers can't be supported due to pins, but I'm mainly talking about having to swap controllers to use stuff from the expansion port and stuff past port 2 not being detected.

[fierce estuary]

the entire core would need some concept of knowing it's japanese first

[granite pivot]

That's the issue. FC stuff should be better supported.

and the core has FDS and expansion support

and it has Dendy stuff in it!

Why is that more important than FC? (it isn't)

[fierce estuary]

de facto, it is, because nobody has really asked for it before

guns and glasses work which is almost all of the important famicom peripherals

there hasn't been a need to further complicate it

you seem to want the option to use a third controller on a specific game I assume?

what's the use case you need again?

four players in specifically japanese versions of games?

that's not a thing people need often

[granite pivot]

It's mainly Kunio games that use it. There is one FC game that's hacked to use the four score (Moero Twinbee). There was one odd game that seemed to support both. I think it may have been Nintendo World Cup, but I'm not 100% sure on it supporting both.

[harsh temple]

Sorry to interject but

Does the NES core support USB spinners? I thought it did, but I can't seem to get mine working with Arkanoid with any of the OSD settings.

[granite pivot]

I was able to get it working with mouse in the ini file, but it interfered with the zapper option

did play nicely that way, though

[harsh temple]

That would be fine with me, I dont have a CRT anymore. What setting, in what ini file? I can change it

[granite pivot]

I think it's under the spinner settings. But it shouldn't interfere since you have an actual spinner.

MiSTer.ini

[harsh temple]

Okay, Ill try that. Thank you.

[granite pivot]

; use specific (VID/PID) mouse X movement as a spinner and paddle. Use VID=0xFFFF/PID=0xFFFF to use all mice as spinners.
;spinner_vid=0x1BCF
;spinner_pid=0x0005

oh it is mouse movement. doh

[harsh temple]

I tried setting it like this:

;spinner_vid=0xFFFF
;spinner_pid=0xFFFF

But it did not work

[granite pivot]

Did you remove the semi colon?

[harsh temple]

I removed it.. same issue though. It is registering the button on the USB spinner to start the game, but the spinner isnt making the paddle move

The spinner works fine with arcade Arkanoid

[granite pivot]

I think I may have had to swap joysticks, IIRC.

[granite pivot]

The JP Vaus does not work in port two on NES for the JP Arkanoids, but the US Vaus works in the expansion port of the AV Famicom with the Mister Addons NES to Famicom expansion port adapter (but only for the US Arkanoid).

Famicom Daptor supports the Vaus in mouse mode, but it was jittery on MiSTer. I don't remember if it detected it as a US Vaus in settings, but I think it did. I didn't get the same jitter on PC. Maybe same grounding issue as D9?

I do want to play Kunio games (including one of the only official fighting games on NES) in 4 player on MiSTer. Finding people to play with, that's the hard part. But I also want to see some things work more like FC works, or an option to choose NES or FC features. It feels weird using a Famicom exclusive device that has a passthru and the controller being detected in a way that's not possible on the Famicom.

Why is something that only plugs through the expansion port being detected as controller 1?

I should be able to use the 3D Glasses without being forced to change the controller settings.

especially since it's not possible to use them through the controller ports on the NES

Most of the 4p games don't require Japanese to play, though there is some text in the menus. A few of them have fan translations. Not to mention the US Super Dodge Ball where the 4p mode is accessable with a game genie code, but only works from the expansion port.

So there is at least 1 US game that can use 4p with controllers from the expansion port (but not without a GG code or hack).

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5127/ It does have a hack for Four Score!

[granite pivot]

I want FC stuff because I want the core to be as true to the original hardware as possible. I feel there should be a setting that acts like the FC where accessories can be used without interfering with controller 1 and 2 (epecially since they are hardwired on the original FC). It's not possible to use the glasses in slot 1 or 2 in real hardware, so why do they take it up?

I understand that some controllers can't be supported, but it should at least be possible to detect controllers being plugged into the expansion slot instead of controller 1 or 2 on the NES?

Anyone try that thing with 3D World Runner and JJ on real hardware? I wouldn't be surprised if it worked. JJ is pretty much an edited 3D World Runner anyway.

I actually have the NES Satellite, but I haven't mentioned it becuase it sucks.

[harsh temple]

IR solutions arent too hot, no

[granite pivot]

I actually did try playing a game of Gauntlet II with that. It was fun when it worked, but controllers wouldn't stay in sync.

[harsh temple]

Do you have a 4 score?

[granite pivot]

yes. I do now. Didn't back then.

It was hard to find info on the FC method, but it's actually as simple as plugging in controllers.

but games have to be programmed for it. Four score actually works with the AV Famicom for the games that support it.

[harsh temple]

From the technical side, in terms of the Famicom vaus, 4 player adapter, etc it is just reading different memory address ranges. Support would needed to be added by a developer.

[granite pivot]

yes

but it seems Taito went out of their way to make sure the JP Vaus doesn't work with the US Arkanoid and vice versa.

[harsh temple]

I think some patches are on romhacking.net to get different combinations working, but I think we discussed this before so I am probably not telling you anything new

[granite pivot]

yeah. I posted a link to the Nekketsu Fighting Legend one. Not sure why they renamed the game Riki Kunio for the translation patch.

[harsh temple]

I meant for using Famicom or NES Vaus controllers on vice versa

[granite pivot]

oh yeah. There's a hack for Arkanoid II for the US Vaus.

and another hack where I have no idea what it actually does

Vs. mode isn't playable with it, but there isn't much to that mode anyway

I'm not even sure it has power ups

The US Vaus partially works with SNAC, but the range circles around oddly

Now that I think of it, I did have similar issues when I was trying to get the JP Arkanoid II Vaus to work with Arkanoid via that Famicom-daptor from the 2600dapter place. I had to set it to mouse mode and I had issues with the button starting the game and the paddle not moving.

I'm not sure what the differnce between Vaus and Vaus (A-trigger) was supposed to be. I assumed that the latter was for the FC Vaus, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Does that Taito spinner work in MiSTer now? I haven't tried it lately, though I found out the Egret II had another update. Made the first stage of Arkanoid much easier with unbreakable blocks only in the top row like in the original (but they still had to use a different layout thanks to Atari).

and another adapter I used (the one from RetroUSB) was supposed to work with Arkanoid, but the sensitivity was way too low and it didn't even work well on PC.

[granite pivot]

Tried Arknoid II JP with mouse as spinner. It works!

[harsh temple]

Good to know its working. I still need to sort my USB spinner out with the NES core

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/bvPHdYGYHHA?si=QOCiQnJfn0V7546f

[granite pivot]

Nice some of the best CV music out there too.

[tepid umbra]

Is there a recommended romhack of final fantasy for bug fixes?

[quasi gate]

I kinda just poked around and I haven't tried any of the hacks myself but, this one sounds like what you're looking for, though according to this review, don't max out a blackbelt/master or the game will crash 😞 https://www.romhacking.net/reviews/9474/#review

[tepid umbra]

I just cleared the marsh cave and so far the patch really works well. I have a fighter, thief, black mage and white mage, as I always avoided the mages because the bugged int stat made them useless. Thanks a lot!

[quasi gate]

Good to hear!

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/zhkD3iUW7fU?si=57-5v61SjtqdoyrE

[sharp geode]

NES core gets stable version

Mapper 156 added, following games:
Metal Force (K)
Buzz and Waldog (K)
General's Son (K)
Koko Adventure (K)

[calm jay]

Now we just need mapper 99 and I’m goood

[sharp geode]

VS. System, how much longer will the wait last?

[calm jay]

@fierce estuary did some work on it. Hopefully she manages to find time to implement it 🙂

[glacial turtle]

Oh nice, a new mapper. have updated the sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iJM0-bT9_d7SZTpBevZ6d0IiJ05T6Cs_5KubpBqpVRM/edit#gid=0

Was just reading about Death Race on the NES, using Mapper 144 that seemingly everything other than MiSTer supports. If this is it then it looks pretty cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRo0Iv99CXw

https://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/INES_Mapper_144

[harsh temple]

For anyone wanting a zip with all the VS core files shoot me a DM

[clever scarab]

is there a mapper that makes famicom games good

oh wait that’s not needed, Famicom games are great!

[harsh temple]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-kermit-uh-huh-gif-19083131

[tepid umbra]

But they're not super.

[fierce estuary]

super famicom games exist

[harsh temple]

Must they?

[tepid umbra]

I finished final fantasy 2 today. It's as weird as all it's other versions.

[rocky bison]

is it somehow possible to map the FDS button to a keyboard when playing with a controller? i'm using a NES controller so there's no button left

when i go through the mapping process with a keyboard it doesn't ask for the FDS button for some reason

or alternatively, a 2 button combo? i tried pressing 2 buttons but it doesn't seem to work

[tepid umbra]

You mean the button to bring up the osd? I'm using a modded nes controller so I use start+select for that. I think the combo registers when you release the buttons in the mapping screen, so take your time when pressing both.

[harsh temple]

I think they mean the FDS side change button

[rocky bison]

yeah this one

[harsh temple]

The mic button and fds side change button are something I'd enjoy having on a standard feeling NES controller. I kind of wonder if there isnt a good quality NES style controller with 4 buttons instead of 2, and the extra 2 above the original a/b without making a diamond configuration.

The turbo controllers have that but obviously they would not work. Hm

[tepid umbra]

The 8bitdo pc engine controller can be put in an input mode where the 2 turbo buttons aren't turbo but separate. If thats close enough to an nes controller.

[harsh temple]

Hm, its larger than Id prefer but that isnt a bad suggestion at all, thank you

Unless they resized it to be smaller like NES pad sized

[tepid umbra]

Seem about the same size to me.

First pic is them on top of each other

[harsh temple]

I like the looks of that

Id have to check the wired lag rating but worth a shot

[rocky bison]

well i personally only use first party controllers. so i'd be fine mapping it to a keyboard, or to a 2-button combo. but it doesn't seem to work. maybe it's possible to add it?

[harsh temple]

@fierce estuary any thoughts on this?

[rocky bison]

what's odd is when i go through the mapping with a keyboard, it only asks for the 8 basic buttons. no way to set FDS, mic etc.

[fierce estuary]

what are you asking?

[fierce estuary]

I have no idea how keyboard mapping works, it's part of the framework and not the core

[harsh temple]

https://tenor.com/view/okily-dokily-ok-okay-okey-dokey-you-got-it-gif-13077927

[rocky bison]

what about a 2 button combo for swapping disks? would that be possible?

i was actually using auto swapping at first but then i noticed some games having issues with it and go into an endless loading cycle. makes the button kind of necessary

[harsh temple]

Might be best to open an issue on github regarding this

The 2 button combo specifically I mean

[harsh temple]

https://tenor.com/view/kalamba-enough-what-the-hell-gif-23898342

[tepid umbra]

Reverse that and that's me. 🙃

[rocky bison]

I see. well for now i found a workaround by connecting a second controller and mapping one of the buttons as disk swap. not really ideal but hey it's not like i'm going to play FDS games that often, let alone those that don't work with the automated swap

[rocky bison]

lol this guy is actually fun (if you understand russian). kind of like a russian version of early AVGN with less silliness

[harsh temple]

Ive seen some of it a while back, its subtitled iirc. Premium Dendy content ;)

[quasi gate]

Oh yeah, that guy. Used to watch his videos years ago, probably the most I ever learned about famiclones and Dendy stuff.
Like how Bucky o Hare is basically broken on most pirate carts because it's locked into the one hit death mode

[rocky bison]

yeah his Dendy documentaries are pretty awesome. better than what you'd find on the english side of youtube, which makes sense

didn't know it's subtitled now, that's pretty cool

[granite pivot]

Looks fairly recent, though the pepsi can recently had yet another change (though there's still some of the previous style left).

Interesting famiclone. Looks like it has an expansion port, but no hardwired controllers?

[harsh temple]

Micro Genius if Im seeing it right

IQ-501

[granite pivot]

oh cool. Is that the one with a keyboard?

[harsh temple]

I dont think so, seems like decent build quality overall though

[granite pivot]

cool. I wasn't sure, though I knew it didn't have one built in. Micro Genius sounds like the name of one of those companies that made their own keyboard for their Famiclone.

[low panther]

I have mine just right here 😄

[harsh temple]

Nice ^_^

[low egret]

Question for anyone with a PAL NES. Checking analog output on my CRT, I get that typical PAL squash I'm used to seeing on Master System.
I'd guess from my basic understanding of NTSC/PAL this is correct, and the aspect ratio on HDMI for PAL is incorrect by default.

What I'm wondering, is were there noticeable borders?
Playing "Star Wars (European ROM)", get a sense the border might extend into the CRT overscan, at least in the visible area of the CRT I'd expect.
Never had a NES to test myself.
If PAL borders did extend this far, would such a request be a good way to get PAL aspect ratio (that's the current workaround I use on SMS and Megadrive).
There's an issue that somewhat touches on this point, but figured it worth asking here as I can't be sure what PAL output from an actual NES is like.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/issues/235

[harsh temple]

It varies from game to game. Try Elite on NES, which was coded from the get go as a 50hz game using all the resolution

[low egret]

Same problem for me testing. If Elite had PAL borders, they'd not currently appear it would seem? Need the original hardware test to confirm something is missing. The star wars example seemed a more clear one. Elite looks like it may extend grey, but could as easily just be black

Surprisingly hard to find PAL gameplay on a CRT on the internet

[harsh temple]

Hm :( I used to have a PAL deck but not anymore, sorry

[lost plume]

I have a PAL NES, a CRT and a copy of Star Wars so I’ll try and give it a test tomorrow if I find time, else it might be the following day

[low egret]

That'd be great. Thanks very much

[fierce estuary]

pal borders were always black and no data is not getting drawn in that game

it was a particularly touchy game to get working properly so I spent a lot of time debugging with that one

on ntsc nes, the border used the color in position 0

[low egret]

That's interesting they were always black compared to the way SEGA consoles seemed to extend out the borders in PAL as well as NTSC, thank you.
In that case, I suppose the border trick to restore aspect ratio won't work.
The more general request would be to get PAL aspect ratio over HDMI then.

I do have custom aspect values setup myself, so there is that method for sure. I do wonder if it should just be correct to PAL by default, but last I discussed this on another core I seemed to be in the minority on that one

[fierce estuary]

to be clear, what you want is the messed up aspect ratio to be shown on the hdmi output?

[tight lotus]

Anyone have a BlisSTer setup can test the famicom 3d glasses?

[low egret]

Exactly. At least, messed up perhaps if you're not European. Mind you, if you're the kind of person that would play in PAL mode, I'd personally guess you'd want the PAL experience?

[fierce estuary]

no, it's messed up no matter where you lived, no games accounted for it and nintendo was just lazy and didn't bother adapting it

but you can just set a custom aspect if you really want the image to be warped

nintendo expected people to adjust their tv sets

[low egret]

It's just the thought. Nostalgia if it's SMS in Megadrive in my case, never had an NES.
Custom aspect is a great feature. Only the SMS border option both acts as a fix, and resolves the case of games that change resolution in game

But if border is correct as is, understand aspect ratio is a different story alright

[fierce estuary]

anyway the majority of people prefer having the right aspect for the games matching their japanese ntsc counterparts, what the graphics were designed for, but what you want can be easily obtained with a custom aspect

wide boi mario

[clever scarab]

Nintendo wasn’t lazy how dare you

[fierce estuary]

they literally stole the cpu for that system

[clever scarab]

how dare you!

Nintendo-sama made that CPU

[harsh temple]

Well as long we're getting into the weeds on Nintendo laziness..

The PAL ppu implementation by Nintendo themselves is extremely shoddy, and the "dendy" version of it is done much better IMO. Also choosing mitsumi quickdisk for the FDS media was both lazy and cheap lol

[clever scarab]

lol you said pp

[harsh temple]

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-i-understand-your-frustration-beavis-and-butthead-tech-support-call-center-gif-11747019

[tepid umbra]

Just finished final fantasy 3. The 8bit final fantasy hold up way better than I would've imagined.

[harsh temple]

FF3 and DQ4 are more or less the best quality JRPGs on Famicom. Surprising to me considering the sheer number of jrpgs on the console, but effective innovation came from Square and Enix

You can at least find more variety on Famicom in terms of setting and aesthetic with the genre

[tepid umbra]

I only played the more modern versions of dq1-3 on gbc. Maybe I'll do a dq nes marathon next year before christmas.

But yeah, ff3 almost felt like a snes rpg. FF2 will always be weird with it's level up system, tought it wasn't too bad.

[harsh temple]

Famidaily helped educate me more on some of the more obscure JRPGs on Famicom, SD Keiji Blader and the first Heracles seem kind of interesting, though probably not polished.

[harsh temple]

Lagrange Point and Madara are kind of obvious choices to try out I suppose

[tepid umbra]

Sweet home is also a jrpg of sorts, isn't it? Would also like to play it some day, for it's historical value alone.

[harsh temple]

Oh, how could I forget that one

Thats a really good game

[tight lotus]

Talked to Ulao, he said BlisSTer doesn't support Famicom 3d glasses. SNAX does though.

[dire lodge]

https://youtu.be/hNJwZQtzYuo?si=QoqshwpgPjN9cHwT

This commercial is Next Level

[harsh temple]

[steep forge]

are weird faces like peak comedy in japan?

[grand jewel]

Remembering Ken Shimura doing some Baka Tono-sama faces (or even Kato-chan Ken-chan).

[urban meadow]

So I tried booting up Crisis Force on my MiSTer, and noticed that the game no longer seems to run without crashing? It used to run just fine before. I even finished the game on my MiSTer awhile back. But now it crashes consistently shortly after starting the first stage. I even tried downloading another copy of the rom, and that one crashes as well. Did something change in the core at some point that broke this game?

[harsh temple]

When did you run update all last?

[urban meadow]

Maybe a few weeks ago?

[harsh temple]

New stable core should fix that issue

[urban meadow]

Yeah, just searched it and found a discussion about it from back in April. I take it that unstable builld from April 1st was only just rolled out recently?

[harsh temple]

yeah, I dont know why that took so long

[urban meadow]

Holy crap, yeah that was just rolled on December 4th. That is a long time it took.

Yep, the game works fine now. Man, that scared the heck out of me thinking that something was wrong with my MiSTer! Because I knew that game worked fine before!

[harsh temple]

Mapper 156 added Koko Adventure and Metal Force. Neat little games.

[tepid umbra]

I took a look at madara and lagrange point. Lagrange point seems really neat, thought the only scifi rpg from the time was phantasy star.

[glacial turtle]

As a general rule if you can it's worth running the update script before playing MiSTer, especially if you haven't got awhile, there are new updates daily across the cores and things behind the scenes

[clever scarab]

Update_All is my favorite game to play on MiSTer!

[glacial turtle]

It's up there with Memtest, that's for sure!

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/Gkl3Av55Yaw?si=L-me3zOSvfXHw07e

[steep forge]

lagrange point is awesome once you get a couple hours into it. amazing soundtrack, really cool world and graphics. i beat it on the real cart i got translated like last year

it has a ton of characters to choose from giving it some replay value. you can play as robots that have different heals and status effects that require robot specific items and skills

it actually has a story too unlike most nes rpg's that are mostly level grinding

if you plan on playing it this was very helpful https://rko.jp/lagrange_point/index.html

[tepid umbra]

I got a translation of it, but I'll probably not play it this year, as I just marathoned the nes final fantasy.

There is such a variety on nes, 16bit processors were a mistake. 🤡

[harsh temple]

https://tenor.com/view/based-nadeko-monogatari-monogatari-based-based-nadeko-gif-21789732

[harsh temple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxi807ACxB8

[sand palm]

Thanks for sharing, that's great. Super Max 3 looks awesome 😂

[harsh temple]

hehe

[clever scarab]

I WON A REGIONAL IN MIAMI

for the SNES one

[urban meadow]

I remember that segment! I live in the Milwaukee area.

[harsh temple]

Oh, the SNES one.

That doesnt count here Robby

[harsh temple]

Nice ^_^

[clever scarab]

is it pronounced Milla-ukee?

[naive swift]

https://tenor.com/view/were-not-worthy-wayne-world-gif-8195602

[main narwhal]

#share-media message

they had save states for Famicom in 1990 in Hong Kong! ^

[graceful field]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2004185171

I just wanted to show this to highlight some mister savestate usecases and also a tool that I build that is helpful (at least for me). It is in a real alpha state now so I am not ready to share generally though I'm giving it to a few mister speedrunners to try.

Basically, it connects to the mister for nes savestate management. It helps to make lots of organized savestates per game.

It also was my "hello world" rust learning exercise 🙂

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/J0oPMXS2yj4?si=YFSz78FqWuhMFnxw

I got bored.

[tepid umbra]

I like it

[clever scarab]

@fierce estuary congrats on the game - https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1704/

[fierce estuary]

I love that sprite hack

[dire lodge]

You had me for a second

[dire lodge]

Me too~

[main narwhal]

there is a real OVA of Spelunker

https://youtu.be/34N8lktWDGE?si=zZ3AuHB7C96lPw2w

[harsh temple]

Huh.

Ill look into this, thank you

[harsh temple]

@fierce estuary VS when :D

[clever scarab]

aren't there rom hacks for VS

[harsh temple]

Your face is a rom hack

[clever scarab]

[harsh temple]

Also there are many that dont work yet, and dont have hacks, or the hack isnt very good

[fierce estuary]

what's in it for me

[clever scarab]

damn, that sounds like a YOU problem

[harsh temple]

My eternal useless gratitude, and maybe hugs you dont want

[fierce estuary]

do I get a reward, like goldfish crackers or maybe fruit by the foot

[harsh temple]

Ah fruit by the foot, my high school nickname.

..dont make me beg :(

[harsh temple]

Yeah, thats you getting choked there Robby

[clever scarab]

I'll stop joking around, I want VS too only because @harsh temple wants it

❤️ 🦇

[harsh temple]

What else is left to implement? Crappy chinese bootleg mappers?

VS plz

[fierce estuary]

do you want a throat rub robby?

[harsh temple]

No

He wants mapper 99

[clever scarab]

what she said

[fierce estuary]

very well

ill do it sometime

[harsh temple]

https://tenor.com/view/running-man-afc-richmond-team-celebrating-football-gif-14947387718093242734

[clever scarab]

😳

[harsh temple]

Oh.

Sometime.

[rare edge]

please tell me the game is Galaxian(J)! won't start, why? P.s. pirated versions work...

[harsh temple]

https://tenor.com/view/sailor-moon-but-you-didnt-do-anything-gif-15435282

[tepid umbra]

What's VS?

[urban meadow]

VS arcade?

[tepid umbra]

Only know VD.

[harsh temple]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-that-is-correct-thats-right-good-job-way-to-go-gif-18723702

[urban meadow]

What is my prize!

[harsh temple]

Waiting for the VS implementation to be completed. Do you have the beta core already?

[urban meadow]

I do not!

I do have the VS Duck Hunt conversion though that runs on the NES core. But that's not the same thing obviously.

[harsh temple]

Okay, Ill send a DM

[calm jay]

Yay mapper 99

[granite pivot]

It has the smallest ROM size of any FC game and the NES 1.0 header doesn't support sizes that small.

[harsh temple]

Im guessing a 2.0 headered rom would fix it then

Kitrinx made a big python script to fix/convert rom headers

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/Rm0WUE7GwRU?si=jTYow8yIDkvQztd1

[clever scarab]

Thanks! I love RndStranger's videos

[sand palm]

I saw he just posted a 4 hour snes video too, dude must be a time lord

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/IpilK06IriA?si=MJb79oHYFacAwMdh

Nothing terribly interesting about it, besides a very odd localization choice in some spots. Always nice to see lost media recovered.

[granite pivot]

The SNES Super Pinball is more interesting (and completely unreleated, aside from being a pinball game).

tough Kaze was at their best on Saturn

When did Rock 'n Ball come out? It seemed by the time Super Sushi Pinball was slated to come out, the more interesting NES Pinball games were already released.

[harsh temple]

March 1989, apparently

Though these old release dates are notoriously unreliable

[verbal holly]

It’s pretty tough when the street date was “as soon as the trucks arrive at the store”

[harsh temple]

https://youtu.be/Khb0KLG95WA?si=_LPGoL7-Fz0aliku

[clever scarab]

The legend returns!!

[inland blade]

Does this hack work for you on the MiSTer NES core?
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5097/
Strangely, works on the NES core on the Pocket, which is a port of the MiSTer NES core.
But on the MiSTer, it hangs before tittle screen appears.

[glacial turtle]

Did Kevtris not port over his NES core? Are you definitely using a port of the MiSTer core to play this?

[inland blade]

He ported his NES core, but I am using agg23's MiSTer NES core port.

[verbal holly]

can confirm the latest version of this hack works just fine on the MiSTer NES core for me at least

[verbal holly]

strangely enough it didn't work for me on the agg23 port of the MiSTer core on Pocket, black screen on load

but it worked fine on the "Spiritualized" core

would be interested to see the results someone with a flash cart on real hardware gets with this hack

[fierce estuary]

must have been some issues porting

[verbal holly]

Just confused because it sounds like we got opposite results, unless yeah this person is indeed unknowingly using the totally not kevtris spiritualized core

[fierce estuary]

what do you mean?

the kevtris cores are their own thing, agg or whatever used the mister core

but apparently it was altered in some way porting

[verbal holly]

Yeah, I mean in their post it sounds like they are saying they tried agg’s core and it did work, and then they tried on MiSTer and it didn’t work, but I had the opposite experience, MiSTer worked fine and agg core didn’t work

[fierce estuary]

who posted it?

[verbal holly]

#1091056042667937944 message

[fierce estuary]

[nocturne haven]

so many palette options!! I have no nostalgia for the NES, but I can't stop cycling different palettes...

[clever scarab]

whatever you do don’t use the Kitrinx palette. The sky is periwinkle!!

[nocturne haven]

Was playing some Gimmick! that game rules

[clever scarab]

Yeah it does!

The Famicom is so cool. It’s like an endless stream of games. There’s always something new to discover.

[nocturne haven]

any random recommendation you would throw at me?

[clever scarab]

Hello Kitty World

[nocturne haven]

k I'll give it a shot lol

[nocturne haven]

that invincibility tune is a jam

reminds me of that balloon fight gameboy game

[clever scarab]

Yup! The sequel to Balloon Fight was on the Game Boy but it never came out in Japan. So Nintendo released it on the NES through their joint company with Sanrio and added a Hello Kitty presentation.

[urban meadow]

How the heck did I never know this!? I've played the Game Boy sequel a bunch of times, but had no idea that there was an NES port with Hello Kitty branding.

[median whale]

Red Tent version is cool, each player gets a side so you sit across from each other and you get your own controls and monitor.

[gleaming crag]

Is there two NES cores for MiSTer? I only use the one available from update all

[glacial turtle]

No, just the one. The two cores situation being discussed is on the Pocket

[primal ether]

Star Luster is rad as fuck. I can't believe people didn't like this when it came out.

First time playing it.

[clever scarab]

I think it ripped off Starmaster for the 2600

If I remember it’s effectively the same game

But yeah Star Luster is cool

[primal ether]

Starmaster, Star Raiders, also cool.

[clever scarab]

Was it Star Raiders?

Shows what I know lol

[primal ether]

There's two games. I think Star Raiders was the one that needed the keypad.

[clever scarab]

Ohhhhh

[chilly sky]

Any chance we can get flash saving supported for mapper 30?

[chilly sky]

Is there a proper way to go about requesting that feature be added?

[clever scarab]

It's already been requested through the following two GitHub issues:

• https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/issues/282
• https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/issues/284

It's up to the developer to address it so now we play the waiting game.

[inland blade]

There's a mouse hack for Maniac Mansion (NES) here: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7718/
Of course playing on the Atari ST, XT or Amiga cores is a much better idea, but anyway, should it work on the MiSter NES core somehow?

[glacial turtle]

There was no mouse for the NES or Famicom so this must have been made for an emulator rather than real hardware

[verbal holly]

It says in the description it uses a SNES mouse, which makes sense, NES and SNES accessories are pin compatible, just need to adapt the plug

Pretty sure it would work fine on real hardware with the right adaptor

[inland blade]

Oh well, back to XT Maniac Mansion I guess 😛

[verbal holly]

Which means it would also work fine on MiSTer via SNAC in theory

[chilly sky]

My NES homebrew NEScape uses a SNES mouse that can be hooked up with a SNES > NES adapter.

Cool to know this exists. I'll have to check it out.

[solemn sedge]

I wonder if the code the SNES core uses to handle USB mouse input could be easily adapted for NES?

There is also a mouse hack for Shadowgate https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7742/

[verbal holly]

I was just thinking about that, ie could it work without SNAC

[solemn sedge]

I love SNAC, but the SNES mouse doesn't exactly hold up that well.

[quasi gate]

Hyperkin released a modern styled replacement, it's not perfect or anything but I used it a while back and it worked quite nicely. Not sure if it works on SNAC though, this was on real hardware

[glacial turtle]

Anyone got the gear needed to try it out on the NES core with a SNES mouse?

As a sidebar, does the SNES SNAC work on the NES core if they are pin compatible?

[verbal holly]

yep, I've tried it with a regular SFC controller at least

like on original hardware it actually maps the A/B buttons to Y/B on the SNES controller

(which I actually prefer anyway 😄 )

[urban meadow]

Yeah, I play Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! with my SNES controller through SNAC.

I do have a SNES mouse. Never even thought of using it on the NES core.

[glacial turtle]

Oh that's good to know

That should be documented somewhere if it isn't

Anyone got a mouse to see if these hacks work?

[solemn sedge]

Yeah I have the SNES mouse, can probably test this out a little bit later tonight.

Ha, trying to patch Maniac Mansion now, the README mentions SNES to NES adapter from MisterAddons. Also says it is compatible with and can tell the difference between the SNES mouse and Hyperkin Mouse.

SNES mouse on NES through SNAC does not appear to work. There is obviously no option for 'mouse' in the SNAC menu. I tried 'Controller' and 'Zapper' and neither had no effect.

[flat ridge]

What's the most accurate pallette? I'm really digging this composite one. Feels right

[solemn sedge]

I assume code needs to be added to support mouse through SNAC, much like in the SNES core.

[glacial turtle]

Worth making a post on the Mapper request thread in the forum about this one, so it's documented and maybe Kitrinx or PaulNB or someone may have a look at some point

Does it look like there are going to be more NES games getting mouse support?

[solemn sedge]

Hold the Presses! I was wrong, didn't realize I needed to plug it into the second port on the SNAX adapter. The mouse WORKS via SNAC. If you have a two port SNAX (or I assume a SNAX64), plug the mouse in port two. I selected 'controllers' from the SNAC menu and I'm able to move the cursor on screen.

@glacial turtle to answer your question, yes, looks like the hack author did Shadowgate (posted above) and was/is working on 'Deja Vu' and others.

[verbal holly]

sweet!

[solemn sedge]

I still think it would be good to have the same sort of USB support we have on SNES. Let me do a little more digging and try to find all current and planned compatible games, and then I'll open a feature request on Github. I briefly looked at the code and it doesn't look that bad, but I have no idea (yet) what I'm doing in Verilog. So probably better if Kitrinx or someone else looks at it.

[urban meadow]

I can confirm that it works with SNAC (single port) as well. Just use the swap joysticks option in the OSD so that the SNAC controller is set to controller two. Also, you need to set the controller to zapper for it to be recognized by the game as a mouse. Only tested the Maniac Mansion hack, but I assume it works with the other games too.

[solemn sedge]

It worked for me in port 2 set to contoller, but did seem a little flakey. But good info thank you.

I'm sure there are likely more out there, but here are some games I found that use the SNES mouse on NES:

Deja Vu (hack) [in progress] https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?msg=444114
Maniac Mansion (hack) [released] https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7718/
NEScape (homebrew) [released] https://khangames.itch.io/nescape
NESert Golfing [released] https://rainwarrior.itch.io/nesert-golfing
Shadowgate (hack)[released] https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7742/
Uninvited (hack) [planned] https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?msg=444114

Submitted a feature request on the NES core github: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/issues/374

[teal ivy]

there's also a famiclone mouse that was used in those nutty "windows" styled educational multicarts https://www.nesdev.org/wiki/Subor_Mouse

so i guess those count as mouse compatible NES games? technically?

this page lists a few more nes games compatible with the snes mouse https://www.nesdev.org/wiki/Super_NES_Mouse#Example_games

[inland blade]

So... what if the core would be able to access the physical USB mouse connected to the MiSTer, just like the computer cores? Wouldn't that be possible and make this widely available?

[clever scarab]

Yup, that’s what this GitHub request is asking for that was posted up above - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NES_MiSTer/issues/374

[inland blade]

Ah! I see, thanks Robby! 🙂

[clever scarab]

Yeah my pleasure! It’s a cool feature. Would be fun to try.

[inland blade]

Yes, and the uncensored NES Maniac Mansion has mouse support too! 😄

That would make it the best 8bit Maniac Mansion version

[clever scarab]

How many games would benefit from a mouse patch I wonder?

[inland blade]

On the NES? Not many I guess. But just for MM, Shadowgate and Uninvited, it would surely be worth it

Other than those.. hmm... Arkanoid I guess?

Ah, you mean NES-side patches

Well, MM, Shadowgate ande Uninvited are alredy done, so only Arkanid comes to my mind

[solemn sedge]

I've identified 11 games (homebrew and hacks of released games) that are either currently released or planned. I'm sure there are likely more, I keep updating the feature request above when I find more, just to make the request more appealing/justified.

[solemn sedge]

Yep, I tested SNES Mouse through SNAC on the NES core the other night with Maniac Mansion and it was far superior than trying to use it with controller. Though the SNES mouse itself isn't that great. With USB support, I think it would really shine.

[clever scarab]

Great idea!

[solemn sedge]

Thanks for the information. I've updated the feature request with info and link about Subor Mouse. Also went through the other link you posed and was able to add a few more games/apps/etc to the list.

@Robby you'll appreciate this as a controller guy, just found out you can hookup a VB controller to the NES, and two homebrew make use of this! https://www.nesdev.org/wiki/Virtual_Boy_controller

[clever scarab]

WHAT

SO COOL

[chilly sky]

Highly recommend Estoscerro for those of you who might like dungeon crawlers.

[inland blade]

Does this hack work for you guys on the NES core? --> https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3335/
It shows garbled graphics here, but it works fine on Mednafen and Nestopia sofware emulators...

[timber lava]

Is it ines2 mapper

[inland blade]

@timber lava No, seems to be mapper 0:

Ines: NES 2.0 (extended iNES)
Ines: 32k PRG-ROM set
Ines: vertical mirroring set
Ines: NTSC set
Ines: mapper 0 set
Board: NROM (non-standard)
Board: 32k PRG-ROM
Board: 8k W-RAM
Board: 8k V-RAM

[timber lava]

It seems it is the NES 2.0

[inland blade]

Isn't this the mapper? --> Ines: mapper 0 set

@timber lava Does that mean I should need a different base ROM to patch? Or a different patch?

[timber lava]

Ines: NES 2.0 (extended iNES)

[inland blade]

@timber lava But that's the ROM format, not the mapper, right? I don't understand

[timber lava]

yes the core supports just roms format NES 2.0
But the build of roms for hack or translation could be tricky ...

[inland blade]

@timber lava Maybe I should open an issue for this on github?

[timber lava]

I don't think it is a core issue but how the rom is build

the headers are messed up somehow

[inland blade]

ok, I see

[timber lava]

i will try on my side to build the rom

I find an old version of the rom in old no-intro set that match the hash of Romhacking page

[inland blade]

Does that work on the MiSTer for you??

[timber lava]

yes I have pm you

[inland blade]

ok, thanks!

[glacial turtle]

Do we have support for that in the core? Wasn't aware of this one.

[timber lava]

It is racket attack (japanese version using mapper 72)
https://nescartdb.com/profile/view/4029/moero-pro-tennis

[topaz moon]

// Status : 72/92 - Needs evaluation/No audio samples.                         //

[timber lava]

and // Status : 38/66 - Working, 38/87/101/140 - Needs eval, 86 - No Audio Samples //
It is Bases Loaded (japanese version using mapper 86)
https://nescartdb.com/profile/view/1549/moero-pro-yakyuu

[glacial turtle]

Oh, so are the samples undumped?

[timber lava]

I don't know

[fierce estuary]

afaik nobody has them

the games are all so unappealing it hasn't been anyone's priority I think

[granite pivot]

Japan has a fanbase for Bases Loaded, but more due to its status as a kusoge and the infamous "bunt home run".

City Connection even made a character based on the meme as DLC for Game Tengoku Cruisin' Mix Special. Homura Banto.

[visual yarrow]

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2024/01/this-new-mario-rom-hack-crosses-super-mario-bros-with-my-neighbor-totoro

[main narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSkqbKkyqNk

it's mildly interesting - the sounds are a bit grating but it would have made the game stand out back in the day

[fierce estuary]

they could have just used the dmc tbh

[main narwhal]

maybe the extra chips were an anti-piracy measure?

make it more expensive to bootleg... not that the game is that amazing anyway

[glacial turtle]

Although these are obscure I am surprised with the maturity of NES/Famicom emulation nobody has looked into dumping and emulating these sounds and chips. Presumably for someone like Furrtek it would be quite straightforward to dump them at least.

Are there any other games on any other systems that have similar undumped and emulated sounds?

[quasi gate]

I wanna say there's a game on super Famicom with a similar situation, might be misremembering though.

[fierce estuary]

not really, they are a bunch of shitty sports games that are 100% playable without the mediocre audio clips

it's a pretty minor concern

[glacial turtle]

Yeah but considering how some emulators have mappers for pretty much everything there can't be much left not emulated and these were retail games

I wonder if most people now realising these aren't emulated yet is a factor

[fierce estuary]

there's always more unemulated stuff

the problem here isnt that we cant emulate it

it's that we cant dump it

[grand jewel]

The samples are dumped since ages, just not integrated inside the NI set.
But you can have them from the MAME software sets/samples or the NewRisingSun ones.
I've already seen an emulation of at least Moero!! Pro-Tennis in maybe 2006-2007 with VirtuaNES.

Those sets are sadly using a format with splitted PRG, CHR ROM dumps with an XML file descriptor.

[glacial turtle]

Oh, so do they need new ROMS made for them?

[grand jewel]

NEC µPD7756C/55C for the sound chip.

MAME could emulate those games with the samples.

[glacial turtle]

Oh, do we have that chip in VHDL or Verilog? Is it used in any other system?

[grand jewel]

I'm just doing some desk archeology from 2006-2007 now.
Some references on dumps done from bootgod during 2007.
The samples are inside MAME samples set.
We have a reference and some decap of the chip on NESdev.

[glacial turtle]

https://forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?t=16129

List of games using these sound chips, one uses a Moto one

[grand jewel]

You mean a Mitsubishi ?

EDIT : I was wrong the first time, so I removed the rest.

[glacial turtle]

Sorry, my bad, yep

It seems odd that the samples are dumped and there but not used and it has been like this way for years...

[grand jewel]

EDIT : Removing some speculations on my part, as they were completely wrong.

[glacial turtle]

Would you also need the NEC chip emulated to be able to play then or would it be the case of playing an audio file?

This is all a bit over my head when we get this technical

[grand jewel]

EDIT : At the moment, MAME and some old emulators use some WAV samples playing instead of emulating/simulating the sound chip.
All attempts to dump that chip so far are unsuccessful.

[glacial turtle]

Oh interesting, that makes more sense

Is that the same for the Mitsubishi chip as well?

[grand jewel]

` Bandai PT-554 board emulation

This is used by Aerobics Studio. It is basically a CNROM board
with an Mitsubishi M50805 sound chip with an internal ROM which
is not dumpable at the moment`