SNK Neo Geo

[green marten]

its new ASICs. But its more than likely old designs modernized on new ASICs as the fabrication method for the original chips is clearly long since gone obsolete

best guess its either all on one ASIC as components laid up from designs SNK has / maybe a 68K "clone" (they are called clones as Motorola no longer makes them but they are 60K designs) from a known manufacturer and an ASIC

there are multiple clones still made by reputable manufactures like Freescale / NXP

[limpid tundra]

So is the only Flashcart that one can buy the one by TerraOnion?

[mystic geyser]

IMHO It’s either going to be as compatible as SNES going from 3 to 1-chip, or all those SOC type of clone consoles of NES/MD/SNES etc which can be iffy in terms of compatibility.

I’d be shocked if the inside, like the PCB, doesn’t look drastically different from the origin.

[strange grove]

the only other options are the darksoft cart (which is no longer being produced) or the backbit platinum

[green marten]

And I would not buy ANY flash carts before the console ships. Gambling with your money

[tawdry plover]

I can safely dispose of any MVS stuff you guys don’t need once you’ve ordered your consoles

[covert lantern]

Yeah I saw they specifically stated that, but then you said something about knocking them on the fpga part, so I mis-understood and thought everyone was saying it was just fpga despite them saying it isn't.

[limpid tundra]

Couldn’t it just be a core written to a chip (read only)?

[haughty veldt]

The "Metal Slug" core is only called that because that's the only game it works with that doesn't cause game breaking issues.

[thorn forge]

It’s nice that we get new neo geo sticks

Of course everything needs to be tested etc but it’s cool

That would be what I would go for personally since I have 2 misters already

[green marten]

So many people in my comments are already buying flash carts and MVS adapters and I can’t tell them enough don’t get their hopes up 😩

Why do people race out to buy all these accessories that are NOT stated to work. Telling people “wait til it’s tested” is like telling your pet dog to do algebra. Shit isn’t gonna work

[thorn forge]

People literally bought analogue 3D’s and then double dipped on fantastic colors so…

[outer thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-money-ha-danny-devito-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-15954739

[rain horizon]

They've said it not emulation..it's not fpga..glad it's not emulation. But not fpga just tells me it's permanent not updatable..so if it's crap it will always be crap..

[slow grail]

It's not delivery

[rain horizon]

A lot of people are gonna get burned I feel..

[tawdry plover]

Where was this concern when people were buying de25 nanos

[haughty veldt]

It's DiGiorno! 🍕

[ocean phoenix]

Because these people don’t play games, they’re tech nerds who like to hoard tech

If you wanted to play Neo Geo, you’d have all this shit already and then some.

[green marten]

That’s called hedging your bets

[rain horizon]

This was actually my first thought. "I can already play neo geo" The wireless controllers do look cool tho.

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah they do lol

It’s honestly something I would’ve jumped for if things were better economy and stability wise

[green marten]

Also you know full well I put the DE25 on my taxes

[ocean phoenix]

I mean, all things considered what they’re selling is a great bargain.

I hope the repo carts are completely identical to the originals

[strange grove]

these days, it'd be an achievement if they don't blow up your console

[ocean phoenix]

ok fair point lol

I just think it would be funny because collectors get SO MAD at that

[green marten]

lol dont say that. The scammers will go ape shit

[rain horizon]

Is this all they plan on doing with this tho? They hyping up that it's a re release of the neo geo. But if all they gonna do is a few new carts of old game and nothing new?

[ocean phoenix]

I imagine if it doesn’t sell well then this is it, but if it does sell well they’ll keep making carts

[rain horizon]

That being said assuming the console itself works as expected..the console and the full collection of metal slug would have been a instant buy for me.

[urban vector]

I think they are only doing the first Metal Slug initially?

[young lynx]

I lost my shit today!!! I pre-ordered that immediately. all those years of seeing Neo Geo AES in a toy-r-us or eb games back in the day....trying talk my parents into buying one...ultimately failing.. Our local rental store had an AES to rent and we did many times....This is the only system that eluded me in my childhood. My dad owned a pawnshop so all other consoles came to me through that store..but never a Neo Geo AES..I eventually bought a 4 slot mvs cab in 2003 that I regretfully sold couple of years later for huge profit. At 48 years of age my childhood dream came true today. even if it is a re-release its a brand new Neo Geo AES.

[rain horizon]

Yeah..was just saying if I could get the full set it would be a big plus

[urban vector]

Did 3-5 ever come out on AES?

[rain horizon]

From what I read no..but they do still have console modes. And that could be a selling point that they were never released for the aes before.

[urban vector]

Yeah it definitely would be

Am I right in thinking Neo Turf Masters will have the St Andrews Old Course added that was only on the CD version?

Are any of the others looking like they will be different from the original versions?

[strange grove]

big tournament golf is the only one that seems to have any modifications

[urban vector]

Cool indication there is a chance for "new" games in the future then

Which will inevitably be dumped as well

[strange grove]

here's hoping

idk i honestly don't really care about the console, just the games. even then, conversions have existed for ages now

[rain horizon]

That's where I'm at too. I care more about games than the console.

The console looks nice not gonna lie.

[slow grail]

the white is so good, but i am in the same “I want the games” boat, so, if you have the money, the stupid bundle really is the best value if you’re after games

[rain horizon]

It's all fun and games til there isn't any games.

[dense linden]

Isn’t anything different from an original thing replicating its original behavior a form of emulation?

[rain horizon]

I don't know about calling it emulation. But using real chips to recreate the behavior of the original console isn't much different than fpga but once you have made the board it can't be tweaked or updated.

[dense linden]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

And BTW, Furrtek pushed the limits of recreation to the same logic level implementation as original custom chips

[tawdry plover]

Is a second edition of a book emulation?

[dense linden]

It’s debatable, but we could say for sure it’s not valuable as the first print, but that’s more about collecting and monetary speculation. But on the other side the gist of a book is the intellectual property, like software. Hardware is more about a machine implementation (more relatable to patents than IPs).

[fluid idol]

Approximation, as it will never be the same as first edition

[dense linden]

I mean a copy of an IP contains the same IP. A replica of a machine can be accurate depending on the implementation.

[tawdry plover]

Original Dark Forest, emulated Wandering Earth

Can I read your emulator when you’re done with it?

[dense linden]

Let’s say I enjoy many original hardware with flashcarts (or ODEs or multi arcade systems), but we could say that’s still a form of “emulation”

[tawdry plover]

Agreed if you view the items as physical totems instead of mediums

(Not making fun, lots of collectors do view games as totems)

[dense linden]

But I enjoy the idea that the the processing implementation is on the original hardware and logic gate implementation, feeding it with a 1:1 copy of the software

[fluid idol]

Sorry, but that updated timestamp on page 3 destroyed the authors intention

[dense linden]

I’d distinguish between IPs such as software and machines as hardware tho

[tawdry plover]

So, the Sega Genesis Model 2 is an emulator

[dense linden]

Eeehh… to an extent someone could say 1 chip SNES emulating the original… or at least not being 100% accurate… but it seems a little bit far stretched to me… even if I willingly avoided a 1 chip SNES

Let’s say that during the same age we see close revisions of a hardware… but when you implement it decades later with different technologies and processes, so probably you reimplement most of it from scratch, it’s a little bit different.

Let’s see the implementation at least

But I don’t see it much differently from a Furrtek core

But we can safely call the AES+ officially licensed and convenient for sure

And the accessories seems interesting, i.e. I could buy the wireless pad and the memory cart for my MV2F

Reprints of the carts are an interesting shake for the Retrogaming market if they are 100% compatible with the OG AES

[tawdry plover]

I am kinda tempted to order a joystick for my supergun.

Given that the sticks are selling for 120, and the console with stick for 250, that’s a pretty low price point on the actual console

[dense linden]

Stick or pad?

[tawdry plover]

Probably one of the black sticks

The pad does not appeal to me a whole lot

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah I own 3

But Metal Slug 1 - 5 all came out and released in the US in English too

[crystal ridge]

Ordered a Wireless Joystick and pad, Metal Slug and the Console. It is funny how I paid less money for this than the NeoSD Pro

[green marten]

imma need to borrow that...forever

[soft juniper]

Aren’t there different incompatibilities already amongst the different mvs models?

[green marten]

its a risky strat...if they are laying this all up in ASICs vs FPGA (which we know they are)...thats it. Silicon is locked

[fluid idol]

They want 120 for that overrated piece of atcadestick?

[green marten]

if there is an issue...there is an issue. Maybe there will be some over the top OS that could patch issues in software over the top but...you still cant just push new code to an FPGA like all the other recreation consoles do

[tawdry plover]

Feel like it’s less of a risky strategy if they spend 7 months collecting tens of millions in preorder sales

[ocean phoenix]

I’m going to wait and see how it is and rely on people like @green marten to provide reviews

if it’s a great device and does what they claim it can do then sure, I’ll look into picking one up

[dense linden]

120 is for the wireless arcade stick, the 250 console comes with a wired stick... but yeah, your point remains valid

[dense linden]

I ended up wiring a pair of these to my two GP2040CE regutted arcade sticks (in parallel to the board using the screw terminal) for using those with my supergun

[fluid idol]

It is not like the wireless function costs more than 50ct in oroduction

[green marten]

lol I want it to do everything it promises because a) amazing and b) if I had to say negative things its going to get messy lol

luckily I have all the hardware to put it side by side by side as AES vs AES+ vs FPGA

[peak girder]

Damn I was just going to do that!!

But I don’t know, the buying factor for me is if Unibios is going to work on the AES+

But I was honestly planning on buying an OG AES too

[green marten]

then you are fine haha

I am just telling that to people who own NOTHING AES

[dense linden]

BTW, apart from this new AES+, talking about OG... why are people opting for AES vs MVS? Just out of curiosity

[green marten]

bad decision making with their wallets 🤣

real answer; there is just SOMETHING about AES carts and hardware that just hit. Its just fun to open the cases, read the manuals and pop those giant carts into a console and play. Sure there are consolized MVS units but...its just "different"

I started collecting them in 2005 when MVS was a pain in the ass and superguns were big ass bulky units from Japan

so it wasnt "easy" to play MVS games at home

[peak girder]

I honestly think that with this re-release, Plaion and SNK are gonna allow to people to install the unibios on the new AES+, I wouldn’t think they would be stingy with it

And allow flash cart support

[dense linden]

yeah I was referring to consolized MVS... I mean I have a MV2F + supergun (I use for many other PCBs) which is the most out of the box "consolized" MVS (it has joypad ports, stereo jacks, memory card slot)

[green marten]

today though when people ask me what the best way to play Neo Geo is ill tell them "budget? if its zero Final Burn Neo. If you want to spend money MiSTer. If you want to have real hardware MVS. If you have more money than common sense AES"

[green marten]

I am on the fence. Clearly selling games is a focus. So if they think flash carts would impede on game sales I COULD see a situation where they try and prevent it. Would they do that? Not sure. Could they do that from a tech standpoint? Probably for a month til the community solved the issue

(again making no factual statement here. I dont need this to appear on Twitter as some "fact" lol)

[dense linden]

I agree 100% on your take

[green marten]

haha people think I am some big dick swinging rich dude because I have an AES collection. Then I tell them I got it all forever ago when games like Matriemelee and Mark of the Wolves were $500 a pop

[peak girder]

yeah because I could see that happening, I may just go with the OG AES, but I would need to get a step down converter for that as well too right?

[dense linden]

if you're opting for a flashcart I'd say:
a) do you need HDMI? wait and see if AES+ is compatible
b) CRT only? why waiting, go OG

[dense linden]

My DarkSoft cart was roughly 500

[peak girder]

Also, would this adapter work on a OG AES?

I’m assuming with the later models

[green marten]

Meh. I never have

[peak girder]

Not the 5V units

[green marten]

no

later models use 9-10V 1A

thats 850 milliamps

polarity is right but you are going to starve it on the amp side and could have weird issues

[peak girder]

Oh, so I need the specific SNK AC adapter

[green marten]

you dont need the SNK branded one. You just need the proper voltage and amperage for whatever AES you have

[peak girder]

Because this works with the Famicom, Super Famicom, SFC JR, AV Famicom, and Mega Drive, so I was just wondering lol

[green marten]

early models were 5V. Later were 9-10V

there are four "rules" on power supplies for old consoles; Give it the right voltage, give it the RATED amps, give it the PROPER POLARITY and make sure the barrel jack fits

you CAN have a power supply that has more AMPS then needed. Amps are potential...double the neeed amps? no biggie. Voltage...double that and POOF

out comes the magic smoke

not really an issue in consoles but the fifth rule is "dont starve the supply". You dont want to use a 500W ATX power supply on a supergun to run an MVS board because you barely put a load on the voltage rails and you can end up with not enough power even though you have MAX overhead

[glass radish]

I wonder if this will be anything like when Neumann started selling a limited run of KM-84's but in actuality it was just their remaining supply of NOS parts, or that company that claims it's making new VCRs to put in mini LCD TVs, but as far as anyone can tell they're just harvesting working VCRs from NOS combo shells that never got a tube.

(i.e., It's just all old neo Geo chips)

[green marten]

and for @ocean phoenix we have a sixth rule...power supplies cannot be cooked on propane grills. NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE GRILLED

[slow grail]

JT is involved in the AES+ too it seems

[green marten]

I saw that/heard that. I did an "answering your questions" vid for tomorrow and explained what an ASIC is and basically talked AROUND the fact they COULD just be spinning up chips from code that exists NOT from SNK

and explained that even if SNK had all the tech docs and everything else you cant just spin up "new old silicon" because no fab could handle that process in 2026

my gut is saying they are just using FPGA code and making some changes then getting a good routing out of quartus, verifying it, then ordering ASICs with that

[fluid idol]

I'd consider all these single blob megadrive/nes clones over the past decades asics...

[green marten]

they are using the term ASIC to make it sound "even better than" when really all an ASIC means is "its a locked off design. Aint no changing it. Better hope its good"

[fluid idol]

All this makes me question how I could trust analogue anymore, when they don't even trust themselves and have to rely on mere infinite try fpga approximation 😔

[green marten]

hey Analogue made the FIRST N64 console to run all retail games...

(shh dont say MiSTer)

Its all marketing hype; fomo plus "shiny new toy thats better than OTHER shiny new toy I already own"...but I dont blame them. Hype + emotional connection = sales and in my careers Ive used that to maximum effect to sell products

I mean I am doing VO on Doom Deluxe now and its "SHINY NEW DOOM! PLAY IT! REMEMBER YOUR NOSTALGIA"

[old horizon]

im making mister+ it uses all asics chips ive manufactured every chip simulated by the fpga

the price is a cool 20000 usd, want one?

its also in a minicomputer case so make room

[green marten]

and lets be realistic...we will never truly know. Nobody is decapping a new ASIC, scanning it and seeing if the design matches something wed know

but...I am pretty sure we know lol

[rough ingot]

Hmm, so they only used jt audio chip but didnt use any of the code that makes up the rest of the mister core? I would hope furrtek would get rewarded aswell for once.

[tawdry plover]

They’re afraid of the unadulterated joy the Insert Coin prompt brings

Or, a good supergun is expensive

My supergun + MVS cost more than the AES will

[tawdry plover]

My limited googling seems to indicate this is an order of magnitude cheaper than new asics from scratch too

[tawdry plover]

I saw posted elsewhere that Furrtek is hinting at nda-covered involvement

[rough ingot]

Ah, kk.. good for him!

[green marten]

"Its not software emulation! Its not FPGA!'....its FPGA flavored ASIC

I mean we all kind of knew it...there seriously is only one source for designs that are modern and can be made into an ASIC unless they paid someone to do a NEW RE on the chips...and why redo work?

[tawdry plover]

Didn’t Furrtek already RE a ton of Neo Geo chips

Like, to the point of selling repros

My knowledge in this area is pretty limited

[green marten]

yes

its in my vid tomorrow...where I dance around the topic and show REs and scans

Furrtek has delidded, scanned and RE'd a ton of silicon for gaming purposes

[tawdry plover]

God bless furries

[green marten]

https://github.com/furrtek/SiliconRE

They are a good dude. I dunno how they identified but dude = non-gender to me

[rough ingot]

Furrtek wrote the initial neo geo core. Lots of other people optimized it fixed things though

[tawdry plover]

What I’m reading is that there’s a possibility the CD-I will be re-released by the Saudis

[green marten]

lol I so tired of reading YT comments about Saudi Arabia

[tawdry plover]

Ok I have not read that

I get all my electronics from the main bastions of human rights: China and the USA

[green marten]

China makes Saudi Arabia look like Bob Ross and nobody complains

[tawdry plover]

Do the Israelis make any video game stuff?

[green marten]

Dont forget the Iranian Soulja Boy Handheld collab 🤣

also the RobPi; a @ocean phoenix and North Korea Pi handheld that only plays games based on Dear Leader

[ocean phoenix]

Let’s keep politics in #spicy-off-topic please

[south cloud]

Told you. 😅

[green marten]

haha oh I know its coming

1. SNK = Evil Saudis 2) ModRetro = Warmongers 3) - saying FPGA isnt emulation = RAWWWWWW 4) AI = ALWAYS EVIL 5) Analogue isnt perfect = SHILL

[south cloud]

So, JT involved. Not surprised too.
EDIT : Seems like Furrtek too, when we see their last replies since yesterday.

[green marten]

guaranteed reactions

[green marten]

You never let us have any fun!

[warm echo]

Plaion's official site reveals that it has done some modding of its own, and that the course is included in the Neo Geo+ edition without sacrificing the Australian course, as was the case with the unofficial patch:

I know beggars can't be choosers

Id love to see this new version running on MisterFPGA

I was originally set on buying the white AES, but the hype of the news gobbled up all my better judgements

But im not a physical collector anymore

Still, releasing the feature complete Neo Turf Masters is cool as all hell and makes having that white aes on my shelf all the more tempting

[slow grail]

Is that different than this? https://x.com/basemntbrothers/status/2042004577025712504

Basement Brothers (@basemntbrothers)

Cool! rdlm converted the Neo Geo CD-exclusive Scotland course for cartridge systems:
https://t.co/Rjkbln8uta

X · Apr 8, 2026, 10:20 PM

[warm echo]

The hack removes a course to include Scotland

The new cart has everything I think

[strange grove]

wonder if the rerelease will have the other stuff from the CD version

[austere nymph]

https://x.com/i/status/2045192485094207579

Sharnalk (@Sharnalk001)

Je vois des gens acheter des Neo Geo en 2026.

X · Apr 17, 2026, 5:27 PM

[still gorge]

What if I told you fpga is emulation

[rain horizon]

I already knew that..but you already knew what I meant. I just put it in it own category coz putting it in the same pot with software emulation is at best a gross over simplification.

[still gorge]

Yep lol

[green marten]

recombobulation

[fading verge]

FYI, you can now preorder the AES+ on amazon.com, just placed mine for the white anniversary edition.

[slow grail]

was hoping theyd get the big bundle

[fading verge]

Also only have 8 of the 10 games on preorder. Maybe the big bundle and some games (pulstar and samsho 5sp) are exclusive to the plaion store.

[tawdry plover]

I think my plan is to buy more MVS repros and vicariously enjoy the AES+ units of all my friends in here

[green marten]

lol I couldnt help it

[ocean phoenix]

I preordered a Neo Geo AES+ lol

It’s because Amazon doesn’t charge you until it ships and returning one is hassle free. So if I change my mind, easy cancel.

[tawdry plover]

Which version did you order?

[ocean phoenix]

Regular version, I think the white one is ugly

[peak girder]

These are such exciting times

[green marten]

Right there with you Hankie

[upper garden]

I'm not a fan of the white AES+, but Metal Slug, memory card, and wireless stick convinced me

[ocean phoenix]

You can buy those separately

[old horizon]

can i have a blue AES+?

[ocean phoenix]

I view it as spending an extra $25 for the privilege of having a black console

[old horizon]

wait the black one is more expensive?

[green marten]

No. Robby must be smoking propane again

White is $100 more

[haughty veldt]

I really want one, but it would be such a bad financial decision for me right now! Plus it would mostly just be as a collector's item since I have...a MiSTer to play the games.

[ocean phoenix]

lol you’re the one smoking!!!!

White one comes with a memory card and Metal slug for $100 more. Those two separately are $125.

[green marten]

Oh some bundle?

[haughty veldt]

The white one only comes as the bundle!

[ocean phoenix]

AS YOU CAN SEE I AM NOT THE SMOKER BUT IT IS HE WHO IS THE SMOKEE

[haughty veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/its-definitely-a-proud-moment-for-me-happy-contented-satisfied-pride-gif-16542479

Robby right now.

[tepid plank]

ordered yesterday the regular system that comes with the arcade stick and also the memcard and the wireless neo geo cd controller,gona use the neo sd pro,if it works on it.

if not all buy all the games

but are they releasing more games,is there any news about that?

[tawdry plover]

Be funny if they didn’t

Stuck paying $500+ per additional game

[soft juniper]

Really sad no last blade

[tawdry plover]

Second-to-last blade technically

[soft juniper]

You don’t understand: it is like final fantasy. They each tell their own unique story with no overlap so they are all the conceptual last blades

[tawdry plover]

Ohhh

I am a fool

What games would everyone add to the AES+ ultimate collection? For me, probably Blazing Star, KoF 98, and Strikers 1945 Plus

[soft juniper]

I am really surprised they don’t have one of the puzzle bobble.

Granted money idol exchanger would be one of my choices as well

Windjammers

[wintry agate]

Or Metal Slug 3, not 1.

[upper garden]

I'd like to see Wind Jammers, Neo Drift Out, Super Dodge Ball, and Blazing Star

[soft juniper]

Matrimelee

[wintry agate]

League Bowling is a casual fun game too, but they include this racer?

[soft juniper]

Yeah, metal slug 1 was an interesting choice. I would think 2 or 3 would have been better but maybe they are planning for future releases

[strange grove]

blazing star, kizuna encounter, last blade, metal slug 3, ninja master's, viewpoint, waku waku 7 to name a few

also samurai shodown V perfect would be preferred over V special

[wintry agate]

Last Blade is better imo

[strange grove]

not the point i'm trying to make lol

they included samurai shodown V, but not the most up-to-date, definitive version

[wintry agate]

I know, it wouldn't include Samurai Shodown at all.

[south cloud]

And most probably the censored one, second release of the game.
Oopsie, you are talking about Special, not the regular one.

[strange grove]

like it or not it's a defining title of the library

also personally i may have chosen real bout special or real bout 2 over garou, but everyone has a hardon for garou so it's not surprising

[wintry agate]

For me it's something like Shock Troopers. Without it, it no Neo Geo collection.

But this is indeed there.

[south cloud]

Blazing Star, finally in AES could be tons of easy money.

[strange grove]

indeed

[wintry agate]

I wonder what hardware they will use for the carts. Flash memory?

[south cloud]

That's my major question.

[tawdry plover]

Oh right I meant to take photos of one of my repro MVS carts for… someone? Somewhere?

[south cloud]

I don't care about the rest, just what type of memory will they use and how will it go through time.

[soft juniper]

If they are investing in chip fab who knows.

[south cloud]

I can't remember if Samurai Shodown V Perfect was ever fully finalized, in any way.

The ROMs from Digital Eclipse's previous compilation were incomplete: some tiles were corrupted or missing.
I've seen community patches, but I don't know if a definitive version exists now.

They should release the final version of The Last Odyssey. 😏

[strange grove]

thanks for the pics. not bad for a repro tbh

[green marten]

No I don’t think Perfect is “finished”

[strange grove]

wonder how hard it is for one to make their own neo geo conversions

[green marten]

Checked. No V perfect isn’t

[strange grove]

i'm positive SNK could've found the time to polish up perfect for a full release lol

anyway, forget all this noise. where's the new hyper neo geo 64 console

[wintry agate]

They can milk now the fans anyway. Maybe in 1-2 years

[green marten]

Haha don’t even tease me

They’d need a MiSTer core first…to approximate

[strange grove]

we're 10 years too early then

just need a hyper 64 flash cart and i'd be a happy camper tbh

[fluid idol]

Nah, shit needs an overclock or something like that

too many slowdowns in ss64.2

[strange grove]

this is never happening, but it would be cool if there was a hyper 64 core for the M64 (whenever that releases). both systems share the R4300, and most of the custom chips on the HNG64 are documented now thanks to MAME

[tawdry plover]

I feel like someone smarter than me could switch games on one of the aliexpress repros

[green marten]

It’s funny you can make it even worse on real hardware if you seat the cart incorrectly

I don’t know the technical reason but I’m assuming a bus line isn’t connected and it’s a dual bus because the games run with no glitches…at 50% speed

[fluid idol]

Thing is so finicky, I need to use a dedicated jamma connector->edge extension, else it is takes way too long to get everything aligned and not glitches

[green marten]

It’s the right hand bank of connectors if you are fading the jamma edge

[green marten]

Especially if the cart isn’t NOS. Then it’s a nightmare

[fluid idol]

I don't really trust the levers

[green marten]

My Offbeat Racer needs a heavy cook book on top to not have glitched graphics haha

[peak girder]

They could’ve done another bundle where you would get the console, a wireless stick, the cd pad, memory card, and two games of your choice, would’ve been a sweet deal

[tawdry plover]

Just noticed the colours on the pad

😵‍💫

Was the original like that?

[slow grail]

the order is wrong too, no?

[spice cradle]

the colors are fine but the order is off

[haughty veldt]

Not surprised they changed the order since that is far more useful when playing the games. It's how I mapped my Neo Geo CD controllers on my MiSTer.

[still gorge]

You mean X!

I wonder if the Neo turf masters with the extra stage will get dumped

[fickle hollow]

I'm surprised to see so many people genuinely excited about this

I hope the controllers are good recreations so I can add them to my pile

[green marten]

week 1 if its easy

[still gorge]

Fingers crossed

[green marten]

and considering its backwards compatible with AES it should be

[still gorge]

Unless they have some hardware drm

[green marten]

they really couldnt employ much protection in the rom if its also expected to work on AES

[still gorge]

Ehh paprium runs on hardware lol

[green marten]

frenchman magic

[still gorge]

Weren't there some other recent carts that had drm and haven't been dumped

[tawdry plover]

Yeah the new layout makes sense for fighting games

[still gorge]

I wonder if you can "fix" it

[tawdry plover]

Punches on top

[green marten]

other than Paprium I cant think of much

My guess is they dont protect it much. People that want to buy it will buy it. None of the other carts minus Neo Turf Masters have listed changes so those roms have been available for decades. I dont know that they'd develop DRM for one game that people will buy cause they want it anyway but...I could as easily be wrong as I could be right

[still gorge]

Yep we'll see

[green marten]

I mean ill the carts open day 1 even if I have to break a tab haha

but I honestly don't dump things available for sale still. Only things abandoned

[still gorge]

Measure those labels while you're at it imma gonna make sweet repros

[green marten]

popped a new vid up on #share-media with some cloak and dagger tap dancing haha

[soft juniper]

None of the neogeodev stuff was ever dumped to my knowledge?

[lucid flume]

Ngdev stuff has not been dumped to my knowledge.

Kraut buster is just a myth at this point 😔

[green marten]

Yes they def use some form of protection

[strange grove]

it always made me frustrated that ngdev never released the neo geo versions of their games on anything but cartridge

at least let me pay for the ROM or something

[green marten]

Last Hope at least hit NGCD

[strange grove]

indeed. of all the ngdev games, that might be my favorite

[lucid flume]

Commitment to the cartridge medium. Like an art house film.

[green marten]

Slopcoder 🤣

Hey everybody the Neo geo doesn’t use a z80 and the cores slop coded just so you all know!

[ocean phoenix]

Who’s the slopcoder? lol

[green marten]

His imagination

[ocean phoenix]

I’m the slopcoder

[green marten]

Slop commenter!

🤣

[soft juniper]

That comment sure is slopcoded

Isn’t the nuked md core extracted from die shots?

[wintry agate]

And what's the problem with a bog standard Motorola 68000, it's well documented? It just runs in 12 MHz.

It's only the higher Motorola CPUs that aren't fully documented. This guy is nuts.

[haughty veldt]

Hey, that's my role!

[wintry agate]

Where did he post this nonsense, i want to pull his ears?

[still gorge]

Yes this is the stuff I was thinking of

[still gorge]

Wait is he digging on the MiSTer neo Geo core or the plaion console I'm confused

[lucid flume]

All I see is the clown makeup meme

[mild palm]

I usually do the “D” button on top and do A, B, C like a Genesis controller.

[ocean phoenix]

@green marten loves the D button too

I don’t get it

[haughty veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-partner-pardner-cowboy-gif-4291912

[unreal swallow]

We all want the D ||button||

[ocean phoenix]

I don’t get it

[mild palm]

Especially since I mainly play Metal Slug so the buttons there is A, B, C

[ocean phoenix]

Easy as 1, 2, 3
Or simple as Do-Re-Mi

[green marten]

MiSTer

Lotta FPGA hate in the comments tonight haha. You know what we call that…ENGAGEMENT

[still gorge]

But they said Furrtek is making a video that won't please Plaion? I don't get what they're saying

[green marten]

Who knows. They’ve been huffing propane. @ocean phoenix has been supplying them

Nothing fun and new can’t avoid turning into an argument these days 🤷🏻‍♂️

[glass radish]

I do get the frustration/annoyance if they’re selling it as “we recreated the hardware” and are cough-whispering “via FPGA”.

[green marten]

The only frustration is coming from people saying FPGA sucks. The typical “it’s slop” and “a scam” crowd

[glass radish]

Like if you were buying a Moog reissue and found out it’s a Raspberry Pi inside.

[green marten]

99/100 people are like “yo FPGA? But on an asic. Shut up and take my money”

[glass radish]

I guess ☺️ I’m old enough to have played most of the Neo-Geo classics first-run in the arcade, and I’m perfectly happy with the MiSTER core.

/to remember reading the prices for Neo Geo console carts in GamePro and just thinking “Yeah…that’s not happening.”

[green marten]

Everyone should be. I’ve had an AES collection for a bit over 20 years. I just play MiSTer

[wintry agate]

The only thing that triggers my FOMO hard on the AES+ is the overclocking via dip switches.

How are these 160-in-1 China carts these days? Assuming that it would work.

[green marten]

They are pretty solid

[wintry agate]

Would be a nice combo for sure. There are some in AES slot format i assume?

[green marten]

tons

[uneven vector]

I'm guessing the overclock switch was made with Metal Slug 2 in mind? Odd how the rest run at 30 FPS.

Did the memory card save high scores when used with a MVS cab, or just progress?

[still gorge]

Does it have some way to play the games in MVS mode? Have they said?

[vestal solstice]

When does Amazon charge your card for pre-orders? Grok and Gemini write that they don't till close to shipping, but then we all know Robots are Mustard.lol

[slow grail]

it wont until it ships

[rain horizon]

Would be cool if it used the universal bios..

[full raven]

DIP SWITCHES, I HOPE... Unibios breaks all the magic.

I think they made a mistake or missunderstanding, because Memory Card never stored high scores. The memory card stores progress.

[golden galleon]

Plaion's text mentions DIP switches but not UniBIOS. So, for now it seems that is what it will be.

Here is what they say: "DIP switches for language selection, overclocking and different display modes"

[strange grove]

what neo geo games benefit the most from overclocking? the only title i know of that has major slowdown is metal slug 2

[golden galleon]

And yeah, whoever wrote their text seems to misunderstand the memory cards a bit.

[golden galleon]

Not sure, but I'm a weirdo who doesn't mind slowdown anyway.

[strange grove]

same, usually

[wintry agate]

Last Resort and Shock Troopers 2 are really annoying with all this slowdowns. Overclocked in MAME it's fun though.

[umbral zinc]

wtf is that mega everdrive plugged into

[umbral zinc]

I really don’t understand that sentiment at all, even if I think that most people don’t really need or care about FPGA and are content with software emulation

FPGA is legit stuff, it’s not smoke and mirrors to my understanding

[golden galleon]

I love everything... emus, FPGA... And now I also want AES+ because I never owned an AES and always wanted one but mainly could never justify the cost of the games. We have so many great options these days for retro games, it's great.

[strange grove]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805987511480 something like this it seems

[rain horizon]

Honestly I thought Fpga was a bunch of hype til I tried it.

I didn't understand what it was at the time tho

[deft shadow]

Regarding NGDEV Team.

[wintry agate]

Well, NOW they want to produce more carts?

[fluid idol]

Of course, there is a whole wave of new suckers with too much money at hand

[umbral zinc]

https://bsky.app/profile/vgdensetsu.bsky.social/post/3mjtj7isslx2x

VGDensetsu (@vgdensetsu.bsky.social)

30 years after creating the main visual for Metal Slug, former SNK artist Naohisa Yamaguchi / 山口直久 (AKA NaoQ) has created a new illustration to mark the series’ anniversary.
www.snk-corp.co.jp/us/anniversa...

Bluesky · Apr 19, 2026, 8:15 AM

https://vxtwitter.com/metalslug_jp/status/2045700161129562266/en

メタルスラッグ公式 (@METALSLUG_JP)

🌐 JA→EN

"Metal Slug" 30th Anniversary Video📽️
We have various developments planned moving forward. Please look forward to it!

#メタスラ30th

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[tepid plank]

But there is a BIG difference in ngdev their prices and the new + games price tag.

i can't justify any game with that price tag to be honest,its a bit ridicilous.

[fluid idol]

robby don´t care

[tepid plank]

just saw krautbuster @ 599 euro,it was always expensive,but back in the day when the neo geo was sold in stores,i saw it there at around 250 euro for a game here in belgium

i can remember it clearly

[fluid idol]

something something inflation and or east coast it salaries

[tepid plank]

it is what it is offcourse,but its too expensive.

[fluid idol]

I find those 30€ for the memory card more outrageous

[tepid plank]

especially when you see the space

i hope atleast i can use neo sd pro

is there any news about that?

[tawdry plover]

I doubt you’ll get confirmation on stuff like that before the release date

Be funny if it was a 1:1 repro except for a tiny watchdog chip that rejects multi carts

[tepid plank]

That can be hacked probably if they do that.

[tawdry plover]

I doubt they’d bother

[tepid plank]

just buyed that ultimate edition also

i just hope this is a good remake,cause the neo geo x and the mini arcades are really garbage

this time it looks better,snk is involved and also contributions from jotego-furrtek

[still gorge]

Is there any validity to this they say they're using a dark soft rom and it still happens on the current core

I just feel like we should confirm it if it hasn't been, apparently it was stated as being fixed on github but maybe isn't or had a regression

I can test later

[austere nymph]

There is this issue for sound still opened
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/210

[tawdry plover]

Not able to replicate it here

Stage 1 music does break into something that sounds similar to the attract mode music but it’s not quite the same. I played thru 2.5 stages and it’s the same on mister and in mame

I’m using a .neo rom

[still gorge]

So I wonder if that's what they're hearing

They did say it could happen at any stage

[tawdry plover]

Stage 2 and 3 music were fine

I’ll try some more later, actually a fun game

[still gorge]

yeah I'll check it out too

are you on unibios

[tawdry plover]

Yes, 4.0

[still gorge]

Same

[ocean phoenix]

Probably a bad rom on their end

It’s always a bad rom

[still gorge]

there's still a github issue open for sound issues though so maybe not

[ocean phoenix]

NO!

[still gorge]

You don't get to decide that

[ocean phoenix]

I chuckled like an idiot at the grocery store just now lolol

[green marten]

I checked last night. I had no issue

I’d check against AES but I don’t have the cart

Someone test FB Neo. If that exhibits the same behavior I think it’s pretty easy to say it’s as expected

[ocean phoenix]

Is FB Neo accurate?

@green marten I need smartey YouTube man to weigh in on my hot take plz - #general-banter message

[still gorge]

could also watch gameplay on youtube with original hardware

[green marten]

Yes. Maybe MAME is more cycle accurate but FB Neo is perfectly great

I mean some neo geo hardware revisions have mistakes in their engineering so even is accurate?

[limber atlas]

This should be fixed

Although a bit tricky to reproduce.

[austere nymph]

it happens to some configuration but not to others not easy so ...

[rain horizon]

They announce 1 piece of new hardware that no one has even put their hands on yet and suddenly everything else is trash..lol

[hallow lichen]

Is this normal on Neo Turf masters?

[restive mulch]

Yes, that's correct. Set the video option to display 304 instead of 320 if you want to crop it.

[full raven]

bad news on the core...

PAL has problems with raster effects again

world heroes is a good example

[full raven]

it's normal

[glass radish]

I've been trying to remember what games were on the first Neo-Geo cabinet I ever played.

I'm almost certain that three of them were Baseball Stars, King of the Monsters, and NAM-1975. I think the last one was Magician Lord.

It might have even been Top Player Golf instead of King of the Monsters if it was 1990.

And then, for me, Summer 92 was the year of Fatal Fury, World Heroes, and King of the Monsters.

93 was World heroes 2 and samurai shodown.

94 was that sweet sweet Samurai Shodown 2.

I will say that by 95 it felt like the hype had died down and they had slowly been eclipsed by Super Street Fighter II, MK II, and Killer instinct over a couple years.

And I noticed new MVS titles showing up less frequently.

[green marten]

Haha every damn time

[rain horizon]

I'm like let's play it before we start giving out console of the year awards

[green marten]

This is what always happens. People get all sex crazy and hulk strong on anything. It’s the second coming of Jesus along side the return of Covid 19 quarantines…highest of highs and lowest of lows

[glass radish]

I just blew my kid's mind by showing him Metal Slug.

He couldn't believe it was from 1996 on hardware that debuted in 1990.

He said it looks better than a lot of 2D games he sees now.

And I told him there was an art to it back then and SNK made some of the most beautiful 2D Sprite games ever produced.

[green marten]

Show him art of fighting 3 next

That’s old school too tier animated movie good

[glass radish]

Ooo... Yeah that's like that real bout Fatal fury era style

I'm tearing it up with Ryo I'm lazy a sucker for the shotos

[glass radish]

Another odd quirk: I spent so much time playing KOF 95 on PlayStation that it feels weird to me without the arranged soundtrack and load times.

[strange grove]

just play the neo geo CD version and you'll feel right at home

[south cloud]

Ah, yes. I see that too.

[austere nymph]

Is it on last release or last unstable ?

[full raven]

last update and last unstable

[austere nymph]

ok so it is not link to the auto build so it will be good to open an issue !

[tawdry plover]

Really good pant animations. Not as good as Neo turf masters tho. Those guys had pixel art slacks mastered

Neo Slacks Masters

[limber atlas]

Are you using .neo or darksoft?

Might be related to the rom_wait value in the xml

let me check past issues in github. I remember this issue previously

[south cloud]

I tried with my own .neo files.

[full raven]

neo and darksoft

maybe some thing related to the rom_wait

I don't know

other games doesn't suffer from this

[late void]

https://x.com/plaion_es/status/2046132006116061373?s=46

PLAION España 🐥 (@PLAION_ES)

🤯¡Notición ligada a Neo-Geo AES+!

⛳️¿Sabéis que la nueva versión de Neo Turf Masters incluirá el campo de Escocia que solo estaba presente en la edición del juego de Neo-Geo CD?😍

X · Apr 20, 2026, 7:41 AM

[tawdry plover]

Escocia 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[south cloud]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/241

Issue opened.

[high ginkgo]

I've set metal slug 1 to run in japanese region and in arcade mode through unibios, but despite having set DEMO SOUND to ON, I still don't get any sound during attract mode

[south cloud]

I can't reproduce it with my current config (MVS, UNiBIOS, Japan, DEMO SOUND ON, .neo format for the game), I have the correct sound effects on my end.

Are you on the latest unstable version of the core ? Check your ROMs/BIOS files too.

[high ginkgo]

works if I set original bios and MVS in the mister menu

yea just updated the mister, roms are

[south cloud]

Okay, you are using the Darksoft version.

[high ginkgo]

I see, is that not recommended ? I've been out of the loop for a while regarding neo geo

[south cloud]

You can use it too.

I only use .neo files (originally for NeoSD) with the core so I only have one file per game and I no longer depend on an external database to load the games (like with the MAME format).

I can try maybe later with the Darksoft version and see if I can reproduce your issue once more.

[ocean phoenix]

It’s recent bugs that has me a little curious as to the ASIC implementing for the Neo Geo AES+. If they find bugs, they can’t patch the hardware like you can with FPGA.

[soft juniper]

right, but fpga is approximation 😉

in all seriousness, though, I was under the impression that a majority of the neogeo issues were a side effect of the inherent nature of fpga implementation of the original net lists that were extracted, not with the net lists themselves, hence the work to make the core more synchronous?

[wintry agate]

Put a stolen FB Alpha emulator on a SoC and call it a day. 😜

[soft juniper]

my asic is just a jvm .. run some mid 2000s java neogeo emulator

[lucid flume]

Cursed

[south cloud]

I can't reproduce the issue with the demo sound on MS1.

Even with the Darksoft version of the game.

Same settings as 0x539.

[slow grail]

Is anyone able to reproduce this? I have let it sit on attract mode for nearly 30 minutes now https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=106657#p106657

[wintry agate]

He didn't specify which rom. .neo, darksoft etc.

[slow grail]

no, and I would bet it's not .neo

because my .neo is going strong

[wintry agate]

never had any issues with .neo roms

[slow grail]

same

[green marten]

sounds like maybe duders ram is having a fault

if nobody else can replicate it and its an address write error

you see that on hardware in two instances...failing ram and bad cart contact...but Read not Write on the cart side

[slow grail]

yeah, I was wondering that

SD card maybe too?

[green marten]

ignore this last part I just woke up from a nap and was thinking in reverse

[ocean phoenix]

Also I could be wrong and maybe it can be fixed via firmware? If issues do arise that is,

[late void]

Holy shit

[wintry agate]

Looking at the differences it seems that SoC could potentially use a ASIC/FPGA hybrid. Not sure what this would mean for updates.

But Plain ASIC is for sure cheaper for mass production.

[high ginkgo]

no issues with a .neo, but by doing so I can no longer set the blood when booting in MVS (unibios still set in JAPAN/ARCADE)
through unibios I can't really set game settings unless booting in AES mode, maybe that's expected

[south cloud]

Activate the dipswitch on the OSD.
Go to software dip once the game is launched.

And set blood as ON.

Save your settings, remove the dipswitches option on the OSD and reset the core.

You should have the blood saved on your config after that.

[wintry agate]

They should really communicate at some point if the AES+ overclocking works similar to MAME. There you can generally overclock the games. I really need this feature.

[mystic geyser]

Or more motivation to get it right the first time, instead of the ship now fix later mindset of nowadays

[high ginkgo]

thanks, worked perfectly

[fading cape]

Been playing the core tonight - not bad for an FPGA approximation

[glass radish]

Does anyone know if there's a way to get Samurai Shodown 1 in AES mode and English and also with fatalities?

If you set it to Japan and console in UniBIOS it's still in Japanese even if you set it to English.

And if you set it to USA the red blood cheat works but the fatalities still seem to be disabled

[rain horizon]

The unibios giveth and the unibios taketh away..lol

Some things you just have to decide which is more important.

[green marten]

No its a weirdo combo no matter how you approach it

Samurai Shodown is the messiest of all neo geo games when it comes to regions and censorship

[south cloud]

paulb-nl requested a recording of World Heroes on a PAL system (on cart or Neo Geo CD).
Thanks.

#1075091985007902812 message

[slow grail]

@full raven has a system I think

[glass radish]

I think I figured it out. Unibios, AES, USA, in Arcade mode, and you get the fatalities and English and still have saves and can use the cheat menu as a pause button if you need to

Although I did start getting this:

The game works fine but there's no sound in the opening scroll and animation now

[quaint cypress]

@slow grail I'm revisiting your script. Any reason why it would not be seeing my games in .neo format?

[slow grail]

I wonder if because the python is being run locally and it cannot see the contents of that folder?

[quaint cypress]

makes sense. Let me try hooking it up straight to my pc

Yeah, I keep getting the no subfolders found error and then it exits.

[slow grail]

try the updated script https://github.com/TheJesusFish/NeoGeo-Arcade/blob/main/neogeo_arcade_set.py

[quaint cypress]

okay, I've ran it twice, and I'm still just getting the cross hatch test screen when I boot a neo geo game from arcade.

[slow grail]

i wonder if it's something with the USB drive. paste one of the MGLs again

[slow grail]

try this just for poops and grins

[quaint cypress]

nope, nuthin. I'm going to try moving those games to my sd card, and see if running the script from there makes a difference

that didn't work either.

[full raven]

I had a PAL system 30 years ago.

[slow grail]

well there goes my one good idea

[deft zephyr]

has anybody seen this post why does the mister sound low https://x.com/i/status/2046584864946663551

Pyron (@GabrielPyron)

My timeline is seeing a lot of discussions and questions about the new #snk #neogeo AES+ from @PLAION_UK

Many accusations and theories are circulating, but nobody is showing proof of what they're saying.

One of my friends expressed concern because the #misterFPGA community was

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X · Apr 21, 2026, 1:40 PM

[tawdry plover]

Since the user didn’t include any details whatsoever about the audio signal path in their post about audio signal quality, we are left guessing

Maybe their mister wasn’t turned up all the way

Maybe they used coat hangers instead of audio cables for the mister

[green marten]

lol welcome to audio

system with decades on the components vs a digital system on FPGA...of course its going to vary

its no different in film; go watch an original print vs a DVD vs the Blu Ray vs (if it exists) a Criterion Collection release...you get four different visual and audio experiences

https://www.timeextension.com/features/talking-point-we-the-consumers-need-to-vote-with-our-wallets-the-moral-dilemma-of-supporting-snk-in-2026

"It's been disheartening to see news outlets writing puff pieces and YouTubers advertising the recent rollout of the Neo Geo AES+ reproduction console with nary a mention of the involvement of [Mohammed bin Salman]. The commentary has centred on price comparisons with the '90s releases and technical details."

thats because IF YOU WANT INFORMATION ON GEOPOLITICAL OR RIGHTS ISSUES dont listen to video game journalists or youtube videos...go talk to experts in the field

(I should probably in #spicy-off-topic lol)

[deft zephyr]

Does the Neo Geo core have an internal option to disable low-pass filtering and hear the raw ADPCM sound, similar to the toggle found in Jotego's CPS1 and CPS2 cores

[glass radish]

Sometimes the low pass filtering isn’t a bad thing. Most instances of NES sound emulation are low passed at 44.1 or 48k compared to the hardware which extends much further…but hardware also sounds worse in headphones.

(In the case of my NES through speakers vs headphones, and the same for good emulators)

[glass radish]

There’s also many cases where an older analog synth will have more presence harmonics and sound brighter than a newer one, and it’s something to do with the age of so many components that might sound completely different in another example of the same model. You can get the same effect with vintage digital synths as well (DX7s, Roland 1080s)

And at the heart of it, arcade chips are digital synthesizers, some of them PCM based.

Older DX7s can even have a mild compression on output that doesn’t get replicated in the VST recreations.

[quaint cypress]

Appreciate you helping nonetheless. I’ll just stick to being a commoner who loads his Neo Geo games from the Console menu.

[glass radish]

Giving it another listen it's hard to say what's going on without knowing how much sound sources were or were not matched, but it's very much sounds like my experience in hearing vintage digital audio hardware versus emulations.

The older one does have that presence and that bite but one thing that we can't say confidently anymore is if it would have had that brand new 30 years ago.

At the same time, the full complexities of the analog output stage are just going to sound different than an emulator (which FGPA is doing in this case because it's not reproducing/modeling the physics of the sound board) doing the same thing in the box, even if that emulator is also captured via analog output.

And even then, it could be that the two of them sound more alike prior to the analog output but the sound of the AES might really getting a boost from the structure of its output.

TL;DR - there's so many factors here based around aging components and audio hardware output paths that you can't really point to any thing that would say that MiSTer is definitively less accurate, or that it's an issue with the core itself.

And also the output of some of those vintage consoles is **hot. It's been a bit but I'm fairly certain that when I recorded some soundtracks off of my NES hardware I had to use a line level input.

I have not measured the MiSTer but just based on The stereo headphone jack I would make another assumption regarding the difference between that and a vintage line level output stage

[still gorge]

The headphone jack is notoriously bad is it not

[south spruce]

does anyone have an experience with the neogeolith library?

I believe it’s just called “geolith”

i wanted to try and make a rom hack of neo geo turf masters and add a new course but i dont know where to start

[fresh berry]

Yes, you should

[south spruce]

also does anyone have an active Neo Geo Turf Masters discord?

[ripe skiff]

i have a problem

wolrd heores pal

Opción 1: Natural y directa (Recomendada)
"There are glitches in the stages only in the PAL versio

in the previus core i had the same problem pal and ntsc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fbeWIWRV3k

Watching videos on YouTube, I don’t see that they have that problem.

[fresh berry]

Isn't this same issue? #1075091985007902812 message

[glass radish]

I listened again on headphones and especially on one of the louder passages you can hear that the original hardware has a good bit of distortion that’s not there on the MiSTer version.

Which would make it sound brighter, but is actually not part of the pure audio content in that case.

[tawdry plover]

It may not have originally been there on the AES, you probably wouldn’t have to spend long browsing fb marketplace to find a 35 year old audio amp that sounds a bit blown out

[glass radish]

True, which also lends to what was discussed earlier that you would have to know what brand new AES sounded like to really compare.

[tawdry plover]

Does anyone own any of the bizarre hacked KoF cartridges (“magic plus”, “unique” etc)? Wondering if they use mask roms or EPROMs

[green marten]

Not me

[tawdry plover]

They’re very cheap and I’m wondering if it’s feasible to de-shittify them without much trouble

[green marten]

Oh I’m sure you could do better

[quick jungle]

Never heard of this .neo format before, is there a reason to use it over the usual zips?

[wintry agate]

It was built for the NeoSD flashcart.

And it's usually hassle-free for MiSTer. Doesn't rely on some rom database files.

[high ginkgo]

does anyone know if metal slug 1 in MVS mode (JAPAN/ARCADE set in unibios) is supposed to invite you to save to memory card after completing a playthrough ?

[still gorge]

Correct me if I'm wrong but MVS let you use memory cards right? So that may be expected behavior?

[umbral zinc]

Yes

It let you plug in memory cards to the machine

[still gorge]

thought so

[tawdry plover]

Don’t forget to open the OSD to commit the save to your storage

[quick jungle]

Did any game save anything other than High scores?

[umbral zinc]

Yes

Metal Slug saved level progress

[wintry agate]

Neo Turf Masters saves after every played hole.

[quick jungle]

I assume these were only for the AES version?

I know it was possible to have a memcard port on an arcade cabinet too

I assume those were only high scores then?

[haughty veldt]

Blazing Star also saves progress after each stage.

[fading cape]

Neo Geo approximations!

[full raven]

Memory Card doesn't save Hi-Scores

Memory Card was available in arcade cabinets, but Hi-Scores are saved in internal MVS save ram. AES doesn't have this ram.

[austere nymph]

New issue reported
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/243

[full raven]

tested without unibios ?

[south cloud]

UniBIOS and Original, for me.

I can't reproduce it at all.

I don't understand how they trigger that issue, and I asked some more questions about the ROM format used on their end.

[mystic geyser]

Has there been a case like this that ROM format actually matters?

Reason I ask is this I’d expect missing sound or sprite data or game simply don’t run in that scenario, (imagine you just swap out a random file in a PC game).

Cases like this and the PAL raster one are very specific like “certain few instructions messed up” that to me is very localized. A ROM file displacement would cause much more damage than that.

[south cloud]

Possible, like with a PR done yesterday, when Ghost Pilots had incorrect music with an older Darksoft set.
Some parameter was missing/wasn't necessary in the romset.xml file, but the neo file format was working correctly.

[slow grail]

the 2nd level seems to vary based on character?

maybe it's a specific level 2? Or maybe I'm misunderstading how the game works

[tawdry plover]

Some shmups are like that

I don’t like aero fighters 3 so I am reluctant to test this one 🤠

[green marten]

I have a capture (edited vid) of Sonic Wings 3 on my drive and I did not have any missing BGM audio at loop

9/12/2025 is the export date so as of that date it was not an issue for me

[high ginkgo]

probably unrelated but the issue with dip switch settings on Metal Slug that weren't honored were gone once I moved to .neo format, but I'm sure they would still be there with the default darksoft rom I had.

Weird because I built the .neo library from the Darksoft library

[tired island]

Is the pocket core here? I can't figure why mine is not running the games so it's maybe a problem with the core

[slow grail]

it's a problem with the core

there is something finicky with the bios. and the public core is only for the BW games. the color core is still in beta

but it's been a while since it has seen an update

[tired island]

Good to know, I though I did something wrong

[high ginkgo]

I have another weird bug :

1. Cold boot your mister
2. Load NEO GEO core
3. Select Metal Slug 1 in MVS mode (unibios or original, shouldn't matter. MVS mode is important for the test because you don't need to input any direction to reach gameplay, unlike AES)
4. ** DO NOT INPUT ANY DIRECTION AFTER SELECTING THE GAME **
5. Put a credit
6. Keeping pressing A until first mission begins
7. Keep pressing A to fire : Marco won't shoot a single bullet. You can try to jump or throw grenades : nothing happens
8. Move in any direction with your arcade stick / d-pad
9. Assert that now you can fire/jump/throw grenades
10. From now on, you can load back metal slug 1, the issue won't be reproducible. Requires a cold boot.

Confirmed to be the same thing on Metal Slug 3, with the exception that somehow, unlike Metal Slug 1, you get stuck on the buttons tutorial (A button won't register, unlike Metal Slug 1, but Metal Slug 1 eventually gets stuck until you press a direction)

[slow grail]

Seems ok here

[high ginkgo]

🤔

[quick jungle]

What did the memory card do for MVS then?

[high ginkgo]

thanks for testing, I wonder what's wrong here

[slow grail]

Let me fully reboot and try again

[high ginkgo]

be careful not to press any direction after you select the game

[slow grail]

Yeah still ok

Maybe loading from an mgl. Are you on the September core?

[quick jungle]

Does how many coins you insert or when you start mashing the button possibly effect it?

[slow grail]

that's a good shout, it might. I will test again once I know what core they are on

[high ginkgo]

Latest core version.

[slow grail]

but not the unstable, right?

[high ginkgo]

Nope, main

Should I test unstable ?

[quick jungle]

Tried different controllers to make sure it's not your controller that's locking up for some reason?

[high ginkgo]

Lemme see

[slow grail]

aha, I think akuma nailed it

I think it's the coin, lemme try something else

[high ginkgo]

Whats weird is that you can see I could pass the tutorial by pressing A. (A button which no longer registers after reaching gameplay)

[slow grail]

no, it's the MGL? I can reproduce it if I load the core, and then load the game. but I cannot reproduce it if I use the arcade MGL I made

trying the unstable

very weird. The only problem is that we need to see how real hardware does it to confirm it's a bug

[high ginkgo]

so same issue on unstable ?
Good luck with trying it on real hardware unfortunately lol
I personally don't have an MVS (nor even an AES)

[slow grail]

some people here do. Can you post the issue on github?

[high ginkgo]

sure enough

[slow grail]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues

@tawdry plover @unreal swallow it's your time to shine #1075091985007902812 message

[high ginkgo]

Issue created here :

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/244

[unreal swallow]

ooh perfect I can test on real hardware (and MiSTer) tomorrow when I’m home

[tawdry plover]

That’s one game not in my collection 😔

[unreal swallow]

I can load it on the 161-in-1

I’d imagine that one shouldn’t be any different from a real cart…

[high ginkgo]

actually, I can reproduce the issue in all the games I tried, even king of fighters
so it's probably not related to Metal Slug specifically

[tawdry plover]

KoF 98? I have an original cart of that

[high ginkgo]

ah sry I meant Art of Fighting 2, let me try it on KoF98 (but you need an MVS setup)

[tawdry plover]

I don’t have a ton of carts: kof 98, Garou, blazing star, Neo turf masters, strikers 1945 plus, SVC chaos, shock troopers, king of gladiator, ghost pilots

Huh. The issue exists on my mister pi with KoF 98

[high ginkgo]

yea I could reproduce with Kof 98. I get stuck at the tutorial, until I press a direction

Also somehow cold booted into KoF 98 without sound the first time but couldn't reproduce ever after 🤔

[tawdry plover]

After the tutorial I can’t pick advanced/extra until I move the stick

[high ginkgo]

on real hardware ?

[tawdry plover]

Sorry no just on mister

Works fine on real hardware

[high ginkgo]

oh yea, you can't even get past the tutorial without moving the stick also (that's my case)

I guess you left the tutorial run long enough to reach character screen ?

[tawdry plover]

Yes

[high ginkgo]

yea so affects all games, basically

in such specific ways that it might even be a real hardware thing lol (like Metal Slug 3 tutorial cannot be passed, but Metal Slug 1 registers the button well)

[tawdry plover]

Strikers 1945 Plus also showing the bug on mister but not the OG hardware

[high ginkgo]

can I mention that in the Github issue to confirm it's not hardware accurate ?

[slow grail]

yes please do

blue can also jump in if they want

[tawdry plover]

Sure. You can also mention that the issue goes away if you change the Input type to Joystick in the core menu

Instead of Joystick or Spinner

[slow grail]

oh shit, is it that bug?

we should just change that default

that’s why my MGLs work

because I have joystick set in those

[tawdry plover]

Yeah it fucks with the unibios startup hotkey combo too

[slow grail]

yeah exactly

let me see what what it would take to change that

[tawdry plover]

Death to spinner

[quick jungle]

What games used a spinner?

[slow grail]

and then I’ll PR it and link the issue

[high ginkgo]

guys it's 2:30am I need to sleep
lemme try that

feel also free to update the issue

[tawdry plover]

Added a note about the Input setting

[slow grail]

good find, blue.

[high ginkgo]

yea thanks guys for the quick diagnosis

[quick jungle]

So now we need to build a spinner and plug it into a real MVS to see if it happens on real hardware?

[tawdry plover]

Now accepting spinner donations

[slow grail]

I can't think of a backwards compatible way to make joystick the default. We will have to employ the smart people for this

[tawdry plover]

Has the core always been like this?

Truly bizarre bug

[slow grail]

5 years apparently

[tawdry plover]

Wow

How has nobody noticed this before!

[fading verge]

So it is the spinner setting that is causing the bug? I had it set to joystick because of not being able to enter unibios. Don't even remember where I read about that tip.

[tawdry plover]

Set input to Joystick only and it goes away

[quick jungle]

An enhancement for the irritating maze caused an irritating bug...

[tawdry plover]

It was discussed here recently

(the unibios thing)

[slow grail]

yeah

I was trying to see where the discussion on github was around it

to see if it had been shot down before

[tawdry plover]

Man, strikers is a fun game

[uneven vector]

That one obscure Arkanoid clone that recently came to ACA NeoGeo has a dipswitch option for spinner, though the promo artwork for it shows joystick.

Pop 'n Bounce

[quick jungle]

ACA? Some kind of homebrew ARM emulation console or something?

[tawdry plover]

ACA is what all the Neo Geo ports on the switch are labelled as. Arcade classics archive or something maybe

[wintry agate]

Wrong! ACA is a series of Amiga turbo cards. 😅

[uneven vector]

Stands for Arcade Archives. Arcade emulations on PS4 and Switch. There's also an Arcade Archives 2 on Switch 2, PS5, and Xbox Series.

[quick jungle]

Ah

[full raven]

MVS and Unibios, right? It happens in real hardware too.

[high ginkgo]

Just MVS, unibios doesn’t matter

[full raven]

Reset the backup ram

[tawdry plover]

You’re saying you have experienced this same issue on real hardware?

[glossy wolf]

Guys, new here to the Neogeo Mister dicord. Anyone knows if there is a new NeoGeo core that sounds louder? It is very low for me, I know is the core, because my Amiga core or DOS core sound very loud in comparison. I was also reading a few posts back were the sound seemed lower to real hardware, won't get into that discussion, I just need some way to boost the audio. Thank you all and cheers.

[full raven]

Yes

The neogeo core needs a boost in the audio, yes

[glossy wolf]

I left a feature request on the Neogeo Core github, if you want you could cheer for it! 🙂 Cheers

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/245

[slow grail]

yeah, I bet the core is waiting for directional input before activating the buttons (in certain circumstances) so that if it knows if it's a joystick or spinner.

Like if I boot a game with joystick/spinner, and I jam on the dpad while tying to enter the unibios, it works.

[tawdry plover]

Ahhhh

[slow grail]

I dunno why coin and buttons work to skip stuff

[tawdry plover]

Surely the spinner game used at least 1 button

[slow grail]

not with 360 degrees of rotation. you don't need anything more than that

[reef pendant]

Currently playing all day long the Samurai Shodown Series... Really addicted to part 2,4 and 5 ....
3 i dont like... hard to say but cant find into the gameplay...but what i discovered on part 3 is that
after winnig a round the screen refreshs and there are some white pixels all over the place.
Anynone know this ? If not i can try to make a video of it ...

[green laurel]

Does anyone here use an OEM Neo Geo CD pad with the AES/MVS core and can comment on how well it works? I have a Reflex adapter + Neo Geo controller adapter and I am on the fence about whether or not to pull te trigger on one of these controllers - especially with prices being in the $65+ range

[green marten]

Works as well as to be expected for it

better feel than the 8BitDo version unless your pad is jacked up

still nothing beats an actual arcade stick

[quaint cypress]

I know the new cartridges are compatible with the original AES, but have they confirmed if the new controllers & sticks will be as well? I want to grab one of each for MiSTer if they test well with the reflex adapt.

[green laurel]

@green marten I actually considered this rather than a Neo Geo CD pad but I prefer bat top style

[green marten]

If you want to drop some coin

https://www.trfightstick.com/category/octopus-arcade-stick

Works with DB15 out. You can replace the stick type too

It’s not cheap but it’s like the Swiss Army knife of sticks and the quality is 69/10

[tawdry plover]

I feel like these would be using the worst quality knockoff sticks and buttons possible

[green marten]

The will be. All meh parts

You aren’t getting Sanwa or seimutsu at that cost. Save money now to lose money later when it comes to sticks

[tawdry plover]

I’m spoiled with a woodworker in the family

[high ginkgo]

I should try playing neo geo with this

[warm echo]

https://youtu.be/rIeLZ9TBwMU

Mega 64 has their finger on the pulse with this one

[quick jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/mash-button-buttonmash-spaceman-orange-panic-gif-19351939

[fickle hollow]

ah one of those leverless sticks I see

[high ginkgo]

it's just a 1:1 scale pop'n music controller lol, not designed for any other type of game

[high ginkgo]

if this is true, then https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/244 can probably be closed (although I don't know what "joystick or spinner" means in terms of real hardware

[slow grail]

it wasn't happening for Blue

so I dunno who to believe!

[tawdry plover]

Surely someone else here owns an mvs

I do find it a bit hard to believe that it happens on real hardware but I don’t mind being proven wrong!

[full raven]

Ahh yes. This is when joystick+spinner option is on

[golden galleon]

@high ginkgo I believe it's for the game "Irritating Maze," which had an option to use a trackball to spin/rotate the field instead of a joystick. I think there were some cabinets that had a trackball, but I've not seen one myself.

Found a flyer!

Apparently the game "Pop 'n Bounce," an Arkanoid type game, also supports a spinner/trackball option.

[austere nymph]

https://x.com/yuzokoshiro/status/2048109857015013754?s=20

古代祐三 Yuzo Koshiro (@yuzokoshiro)

Can’t wait for AES+

X · Apr 25, 2026, 6:40 PM

[golden galleon]

That is awesome. Imagine if Yuzo decided to make a more advanced version of Earthion for NeoGeo. 🙂

[wintry agate]

Or a new Streets of Rage

With bigger sprites

[rain horizon]

The only way to play neogeo..I have 2 of these..gotta have my beans

[naive coyote]

hi everyone ... can you help me to configure my mister, i got the last core "Big tournament golfscotland course" from insert coin.the problem is i got a white screen as soon as i launch it...same thing for mvs games on the arcade section...white screen
if someone could help me find a way to set this ... thanks to everyone

[slow grail]

replace your neogeo.rbf (delete it and then run update_all again)

[naive coyote]

ok will do it right now hope this help...thanks

[slow grail]

that has happened to a few folks and I'm not sure why

[naive coyote]

sorry but it didn't work,i did a "update all" after delete the neogeo core but update all didn't install a new one so i launched a "update all" with inster coin but the core installed does the same thing as before ... white screen. too bad

[slow grail]

you have all the bios files, yeah?

[naive coyote]

indeed i can play on console section but not on arcade section

[slow grail]

games/NEOGEO should have these files

ahh ok

try deleting neogeo.cfg in the config folder

and try this core

[naive coyote]

this core on ""_console"" ?

[slow grail]

yeah

[naive coyote]

the thing is when i go on "about" it still uses the NEOGEO v260209

[slow grail]

thats the unstable

try the stable just to see if that works

[naive coyote]

sorry but i dunno much about it ...still when i try to play mvs games on arcade folder it uses by default the NEOGEO v260209... i'can use your core only if i choose it directly

[slow grail]

yeah, choose it directly, change it arcade (MVS) in the options, and then try to load a game

[naive coyote]

ok ..though after changed the settings it worked but i had to completly changed everything so no unibios and no aes like it used to have... so i have to make a choice,either choose aes or mvs ...it's strange because it worked before i've done an update on neo geo with "update all insert coin legacy". really weird

also for big tournament golf" it show Z80 error

[lucid flume]

Is anyone aware of or have a 3d scan or model of the Neo Geo AES joystick?

[austere nymph]

For the game Zupapa! using Darksoft set (not testing neo) I have a message saying card error before entering game.
I Wonder if it is a known issue and needs some settings.

[full raven]

Format the card

Reset A+B+C+D

[golden galleon]

Runs fine for me. I use a darksoft set converted to .neo format.

[austere nymph]

Ok will try !

On the dips settings on -> bios ->

but I still have card error ...

testing with neo file and getting also card error.
I could save after gameover but the Card ERROR message is visible when I start a new game

[golden galleon]

Here is what I did, I'm using UniBIOS: (1) Run game, press Select+Start, (2) choose Soft Reboot System, (3) as soon as it starts booting press A+B+C+D, (4) you should now be in the Memory Card Manager, (5) choose Format Memcard. After that I am able to play a few levels and when I died it asked to save to memory card etc.

[austere nymph]

Will try tomorrow 👍

[south cloud]

It worked for me.

[austere nymph]

I have tested with Unibios and i could format the Memcard and the message doesn't appear when i start the game
But if i come back to the original bios (Japan MV1B => SHA1 e92910e20092577a4523a6b39d578a71d4de7085) The message is present again ... so maybe related to the bios and the game Zupapa!

[ember briar]

On March 27th, the Neo Geo CD port of Puzzle Bobble 2 was released. Since then, I've been trying to "find" the corresponding MAME zip file, but I haven't been able to. I greatly appreciate the effort and dedication of IQ_132, but without at least knowing where to find the correct zip file, it's very difficult to enjoy. I'm a contributor (I know it's a small contribution), but I would like to have more ease in performing the procedures to run the game. I've tested several files from various different websites, even with the same comparison files sent by the developer, but it simply doesn't work, and I only have this screen that won't load. Does anyone have the game's CHD file or can indicate where to find the corresponding MAME file to perform the conversion? I would be grateful.

[ocean phoenix]

Sorry, can’t ask for games here.

[golden galleon]

I just watched a video about it, and I don't think it adds anything new? So unless you're intending to play on an actual NeoGeo CD system, it's probably better to just play the original Puzzle Bobble 2 MVS rom on MiSTer or emulators. This is the video if anyone is curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U7yr1Dg8U8

[full raven]

hey people

did you buy the new aes plus ?

[tawdry plover]

No, I bought five new MVS games instead

[golden galleon]

I did. Never owned an AES, always wanted one.

[austere nymph]

https://x.com/ShadowGangs/status/2049175441454346415?s=20

Shadow Gangs (@ShadowGangs)

SGZ Backers beta demo will be released tomorrow!
Mame and NeoSD.

Please share.

Bugs expected, but let me know any problems with it.
Demo has 7 levels, 2 bonus levels, 2 mini bosses and 1 end boss.
(The final game is way more bigger)

Pledge here:
https://t.co/ZaD7bFpqep

X · Apr 28, 2026, 5:14 PM

[peak girder]

8bitdo decided to discontinue their NEO GEO CD controllers

The custom skin variants are still available on Amazon, at least for the U.S., but there’s not that many units available, grab them while you can

This probably has to do with the AES+ being a thing, to which I say, welp that’s a shame lol because I’m not digging that the AES+ controller is a bit off with the letters on the buttons

[golden galleon]

I bought 2 of them, and have modified one for tighter reactions. Much nicer afterwards, highly recommend: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6193862

[peak girder]

Someone reached out to the sales manager via email and they confirmed it

I hope they don’t go up in price on secondhand markets

[golden galleon]

Question about NeoGeo CD on the MiSter core. I am trying to change to JP region, but it doesn't seem to change. Want to run Metal Slug CD in Japan region for red blood. What might I be missing?

[peak girder]

Honestly, it was one of their best controllers, they shouldn’t have discontinued it at all

Also probably had to do with licensing I think

[golden galleon]

I also hate how they changed the pad button layout from the original NeoGeo CD pads, but I will mainly use the stick on AES+ anyway. I love the 8bitdo ones - they are just really nice gamepads in general, and can work well for SNES as well. That thumbstick (especially when modded) is great, and I love the large buttons.

[golden galleon]

Answering my own question: when using the CD UniBIOS, the MiSTer menu settings are ignored. You must press Select during the CD boot animation, then change region there. Works great.

[golden galleon]

Yeah, it's sad it's discontinued. I literally just bought my second one a few weeks ago at normal price, now only a few overpriced ones remain.

[south cloud]

I just bought my second one a few seconds ago, because I was waiting for next month's payment to get it, but I had a feeling this would happen: no stock of the version without decoration for months, promotion on the others with Kof'97.

Thanks for the confirmation on the discontinuation.

[haughty veldt]

I have three of the 8bitdo NeoGeo CD controllers. Love them.

Two without the artwork on them, and one Terry controller.

[wintry agate]

Yep, the 8bitdo Neo Geo wireless controller is great. Especially for top down/or slightly similar games.

[haughty veldt]

I use it a lot for shmups.

[fading cape]

I have recently discovered this joy

It’s a great controller for shmups

[peak girder]

It’s amazing for most of the arcade cores as well

[unreal swallow]

I’ll definitely have to give this a try! Maybe it’s obvious once I have it printed how it’s installed, but looking at that page I’m not clear on how you install it 😅

ohhh those are the bumpers and you need to print 4 of them

[golden galleon]

Yes, you need 4. They are the little actuators - you can see them well in this photo, the semi translucent triangular house shaped parts. The modified ones are a tiny bit thicker than the origial parts to reduce travel for actuation. They work great and improve the accuracy and feel of the thumbstick. You do have to completely disassemble the stick of course, and reassembly can be quite annoying due to the springs wanting to pop back out, but once done it's worth the trouble.

[unreal swallow]

makes sense! I have a couple OG NGCD pads too and I cleaned and stretched the springs on those a bit too, so I’m familiar with taking that type of assembly apart

[olive garnet]

I don't get why anyone likes the NGCD pad at all, it was never good. Unique and cool, but rubbish to use. The 8bitdo one was every bit as good as the original - which is to say, it's also very bad.

And I say this as a guy with ~10 OG pads in a box within arm's reach.

You guys here are literally the first positive words I've ever heard about this pad in 30 years.

[fluid idol]

Because it clickedy clack and has neo geo written in it.

[olive garnet]

So true

friend of mine just said "Its awesome as long as you dont have to play games with it"

I wrote a review, many years ago

https://nfgworld.com/snk-neo-geo-cd-pad-review/

NFG (@[email protected])

The SNK Neo Geo CD pad is amazing to hold and fondle, but in use it’s got significant flaws.

nfgworld.com/snk-neo-geo-cd-pad-review/

NFGworld · Feb 29, 2016, 10:39 AM

And the 8bitdo one: https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=7599.0

[golden galleon]

I read your review, and it is much better if you do the mod I linked. I am only talking about the 8bitdo version, which is the only one I own.

[olive garnet]

They're effectively identical, in terms of how they feel and function. I'm sure a shorter throw would be nice, but it won't solve the problems I have with the pad.

[golden galleon]

What can I say - I genuniely like it, but I've not used it as long as you, so I can't speak to how long it will last. It really is better after the mod for fighting games though. I did not like using the thumbstick at all due to how loose it felt when I first tried it, but that mod makes a real difference. I'm also a big fan of the NGPC, partly because of its thumbstick. I really like that type of controller, like a tiny arcade stick.

[olive garnet]

You're weird. 😉

I think the modern pads will last a lot longer. They'd have to, because the originals would die in months from new. I bought my first one in '95 and it was dead by '96. I don't hear the same stories about the 8BD units.

The problem with the originals was dust, the newer ones may be sealed, or use a different plastic that doesn't abrade so badly.

As for the NGP... Yeah I wish I could love that too. I was playing TsunagetePon and Magical Drop recently, and for both of them I really wished I had a d-pad, because the thumb stick is too slow by far.

[golden galleon]

The stick housing is indeed enclosed, and takes some work to disassemble. I don't know if it's different from the original.

[olive garnet]

It's identical

I wouldn't be surprised if they used the same molds.

But it's not the housing that makes the dust, it's the fulcrum that rests on the bottom half of the pad shell.

https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=7600 <- identical.

[golden galleon]

Also, the NGP/C thumbstick controller is widely liked. So to me, you are a bit weird on that one. But to each their own.

[olive garnet]

Yeah but people also praise the fighting games on that system, and I can't hit my head hard enough to do that either. ^__^

And I was a -huge- proponent of the system, I used to sell them in my game store when they were new, talked my suppliers into getting them. Sold quite a few, just sold most of my games last year.

But I never liked the fighters - they had great box art, nice intro screens, but the games were pretty dull. Card Fighters on the other hand, that was brilliant. Worked fine with the thumb stick too.

[golden galleon]

Well, to each their own. I had lots of good times with NGPC back in the day. I enjoyed pretty much everything on it. MotM was pretty great, the 2 Metal Slugs were great etc. I loved the hardware and software.

[indigo radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLB7JMCFpBA

[golden galleon]

Yes, I saw that yesterday. It is fascinating. I'm very looking forward to my AES+.

[indigo radish]

54:31 for stuffs about new aes

[golden galleon]

Jotego is da man. 🙂

[indigo radish]

Well, I have just one prblem with him it's the open source misusage

okay all schematics are open source but the way to develop/port core, here the framework, is paying

knowing during long time it was the only one who made a framework but if you want to port his core you have to pay to use his framework

[green marten]

man's gotta eat Mr. Lahey

[indigo radish]

I don't like this way to make things

[indigo radish]

I don't understand what you mean

[indigo radish]

english is not my native language

[green marten]

just a joke from a tv show which translates to "I dont begrudge people from making a living"

[indigo radish]

and to finish I don't have technical skills to develop on this but apparently lot of jotego's work is based on mame (not telling here mame is bad) and it permits to release game relatively quickly... and skip lot of verilog conversion (I'm not an expert at all and maybe I'm telling shit since begining 😂 )

eternal debate....

grego2d almost killed me last time I talked like this

[indigo radish]

It's cool he can make money of his work and it's a good leit motiv, but be clear on how and where knowing lot's of people are behind you.

[olive garnet]

Seems to me that none of us know what help he gave, if he was paid or how much, and any misgivings we might have are based on guesses.

And even if it's open source, we all know that we stand on the shoulders of the giants who came before us. But if jotego's an expert now, it makes sense that he gets paid for his time if nothing else.

Anyway, we lose nothing no matter how this worked out, right?

[green marten]

I do not care if people get paid personally. Life isn't free haha

and yes being paid for "your knowledge" and "time" are fine. I dont quote clients high rates just when the work is LONG...I quote high rates when its "you aren't paying for my time. You are paying for the time YOU save by me knowing this"

one client needed an entire live streaming, three camera, PTZ studio set fully built, lit, networked, connected to a switch, server setup for ingest and life stream ready...and they needed it ASAP because they thought they could do it themselves and had a box of random shit they bought half taken apart and wholly turned into a disaster

my price was X and when told "that seems like triple what we expected" I just said "that's for me knowing how to do it. Ill have it ready overnight. 8am"

[olive garnet]

I'm a photographer. All I do is arrange lights for ten minutes then push the same button for a few hours. I charge a lot for the service.

[green marten]

you assholes charge more then US (filmmakers) and all you gotta do is make something look good for a frame 🤣 ive gotta do that 24 time a second for every second (I am just playing)

[olive garnet]

I get asked all the time if I also do video, and the answer is always "Hail naw, I spend enough time in front of the computer already."

[green marten]

but day rates in Chicago are garbage now due to 1) gen AI 2) AI in general lol and 3) undercutting

four figure jobs are now three figure jobs and they fight you on THAT

[timid cobalt]

A lot of his work actually has corrected mame, and he has submitted prs to fix mame after finding things while reverse engineering the platforms he makes cores for.

[olive garnet]

Everyone I know in the creative industry is suffering because of AI. Every animator and copywriter and translator and artist. I'm pretty lucky with what I do, AI can't.

[green marten]

AI does a SHIT job at what I do...but its a "free" job so most people dont care

[olive garnet]

I shoot only athletes. They come to me for a record of their progress and accomplishments. They do -not- want AI.

[green marten]

haha how did I not know this? my specialty was action sports cinematography / aerial cinematography for sports

[olive garnet]

in a peculiar twist, I shoot aerials. 😄

[green marten]

haha I do not any more...drones took that work

[olive garnet]

I don't do aerial photography

[green marten]

I did "strapped into helicopter in an open door" style

[olive garnet]

I shoot aerialists. Circus performers and the like.

oh I did that too!

several hundred hours in a helicopter takes the shine off the job REAL fast.

[green marten]

lol did you get old Nam pilots too?

[olive garnet]

haha, no. A lot of wanna be stunt flyers tho. "You know what a torque turn is?" "Fucking do it you coward, let's go!"

[green marten]

I had one dude in Alaska tell me, when I told him he kept the chopper steadier than anyone I had flown with "that's where my gunner sat. You cant shoot vietcong with the shakes"

ok I sanitized it with Vietcong lol

[olive garnet]

I was doing fire ant survey work, infrared cameras. Pilots had to follow a marker on an LCD screen for 1.25km, dead straight, turn around and do it again, all day, in the australian sun. It was a terrible job, the best we did every day was not fall asleep.

[green marten]

all my work now is boring AF. Corpo shit

ok but we are off topic...SNK WILL FILM A COMMERCIAL FROM A HELICOPTER...there back on track 🤣

[olive garnet]

YEAH, then probably throw a reporter from it. 😭

[green marten]

lol you sound like some of my commenters...my favorite was "how does it feel to have blood on your hands baby killer" on an AES+ video

[olive garnet]

LOL

slippery at first, then sticky, is my guess.

my apologies, all, I am WAY off topic.

[tawdry plover]

Maybe you could balance out the hate by buying a ton of bootleg repro carts and doing a video about how they’re much cheaper than AES+

[fluid idol]

Can't hear you, must consume and advertise.

[green marten]

lol there is no such thing as making everyone happy. I dont even try

[ocean phoenix]

We got Timmy tough knuckles over here

[green marten]

and his mom "Tammy Four Knuckes"...if you know what I mean

[ocean phoenix]

I don’t get it, can you explain it

[green marten]

Its like a fist**ng with the thumb taking a 15 minute break

union job

[ocean phoenix]

OH GOD I AM SORRY I ASKED

[olive garnet]

I'm not

[green marten]

you brought this on yourself

[olive garnet]

that's what she

I mean, I am off topic

[glass radish]

I would just like to say that I throughly enjoyed the conversation between @green marten and @olive garnet a couple hours ago, especially the helicopter stories.

[green marten]

haha we def zagged

I never meet anyone with any experience in aerial cinematography...or in their instance photography

so often when I talk about shit I have done I feel like unless someone knows what its like or knows me...it all sounds like tall tales haha

[wintry agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgHGL5TSR-s&t=1s

[olive garnet]

Weird that they make a point of colour accuracy with the original when SNK had a half dozen different versions, each with different issues with the output.

[quick jungle]

Still no clarification on if the flash used in the cartridges is nand or nor?

[snow plume]

nand, nor or neither

[thorny sun]

Weird how the neo geo pad 2 (for the PS2) is totally different inside

[olive garnet]

Got pics? I've never seen one.

[thorny sun]

Don’t think I have. But I remember that it followed the same basic structure of an arcade stick, i.e. no helical springs or anything similar to the images you linked.

Absolute hell to put back together. I really don’t recommend opening it

Couldn’t find any images, but here is another report: https://www.neo-geo.com/forums/index.php?threads/neo-geo-pad-vs-neo-geo-pad-2.253333/

[olive garnet]

I need to get one now. =/

Tear it apart, take pics, then sell it to the next sucker. 😉

maybe not at the going rates though. =/

[thorny sun]

I like mine a lot. Here is a comparison someone posted on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/fightsticks/comments/15t60cs/i_was_so_excited_for_the_new_8bitdo_neogeo_pad/

[thorny sun]

I’m not ready to go further than that… but you can clearly see that it is very different

[thorny sun]

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[olive garnet]

That looks the same to me, WRT the stick anyway. Interesting.

The reddit thread seems to confirm that the PS2 version isn't terrible but the OG and 8bitdo ones are. And I have to agree with that.

The NGPC is fine enough, but I still say it's inaccurate, and at least for magical drop and tsunagete pon, it's too slow. For a fighter that does circles instead of left/right all the time, I can see it being not so bad.

[thorny sun]

I’m really surprised there aren’t any photos online of the Pad 2 or Pad 3 disassembled

Very weird documentation dead zone

[olive garnet]

I find this happens to most controllers, really. I've always thought that maybe it's happening in closed forums or I'm using the wrong search terms. =/

[soft juniper]

well, most of the time I look for a controller pinout, I wind up on gamesx 😉

[olive garnet]

That guy should update more

[soft juniper]

yeah, seriously....I was looking for concrete info on 6 button genesis to 6 button x68k and fm towns, and the info was just all over the place 😄