SNK Neo Geo

[green marten]

Don’t feel silly. I’ve been making MiSTer five for almost five years now. I have half a dozen MiSTers. I thought one was dead last week because it would just NOT power on. Because I hadn’t plugged it into the fucking wall 🤣

[still gorge]

Wow, I knew you were dumb, but wow

[tired torrent]

The sad part is that I can see that happening to me. I love to tweak/restore older audio gear. I can't tell you the amount of time that I've overlooked the simple because I was expecting the worst!

[haughty veldt]

Typical Illinois behavior.

[green marten]

Haha I was just exhausted and rushing

[green marten]

Def not Wisconsin behavior. You still haven’t installed power up there

[haughty veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/he-man-gif-18501881

[snow plume]

Any pointers on how to convert a .zip NeoGeo game to .neo? (not from Darksoft)

[zinc sandal]

grab the '@MiSTer pack add-on' for neogeo
aka I was too lazy to work it out :p

[snow plume]

It's a new game not found in any pack 🫣

[zinc sandal]

ahh, then I'm of even less help sorry

theres https://github.com/city41/neosdconv for converting decrypted mame format roms to .neo

[snow plume]

Will give this a try! Thanks!

[zinc sandal]

NP, says it wont work if any of the ROMs are encrypted
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer?tab=readme-ov-file#features

[snow plume]

I was able to make the game load by editing romsets.xml

Will open a PR soon

Thanks!

[zinc sandal]

nice 🙂

[haughty veldt]

Now I'm curious what game it is!

[slow grail]

tell us your secrets Boot!

[snow plume]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/pull/226

Not a MiSTery anymore 😛

[haughty veldt]

I just checked out a video of the game. And the crabs have pants! I repeat, the crabs have pants! 👖

[snow plume]

It's probably a commercial crab

[haughty veldt]

[slow grail]

what a dapper gentleman

[bitter spire]

Where did you get this photo of me??

[haughty veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/lurking-creeping-lurker-creeper-browse-gif-7869977

[limber atlas]

@snow plume

There is a shinobi port

https://h0ffman.itch.io/shinobi-neogeo

[full raven]

it plays very perfect

[robust temple]

it's cool but very strange, i loaded it into my TO cart in my real 6 slot neogeo cab, so weird to see shinobi come up on attract mode rotation on neogeo lol. It does seem to be pretty much identical to running the shinobi core on mister.

[full raven]

The playability is exact

There are small audio bugs, but this is very cool thing

I tested in neosd

I need to test it in neocd

[nocturne storm]

Sorry folks I've been out of the loop for a while, I was wondering if the nightly core with accurate audio hit main?

[zinc sandal]

Hey, stable is still NeoGeo_20240418.rbf from April
#unstable-nightlies message was from August

[snow plume]

Stable has just been updated

[full raven]

I played shinobi in real hard

in mister

it plays perfect

it has the bugs of original arcade

all

[shell bobcat]

What's new?

[bitter spire]

It should contain the changes from the August 2024 build that improves the audio to be more accurate to the AES Neo Geo hardware.

[celest bramble]

Previous core would crash alot playing Pulstar using unibios cheats, always randomly get the green screen of death, new core played 5 levels with no problem

[full raven]

finally it has been updated ?

[shell bobcat]

Are those few open issues logged in github still a problem?

[shell bobcat]

New update 5 hours ago but I can't see any notes about

[urban vector]

I gave a nudge behind the scenes and seems that it made it's way up the chain to Sorg who has done a fresh release.

I remember awhile back someone did some tweak to a file that meant a bootleg game that wasn't running before now worked, I am not sure if that has made it in, but would be worth digging into if anyone remembers what that was - will be up in this chat a good while back

[shell bobcat]

is this a stable release?

[limber atlas]

Yes

There is a kof 98 bug raised. Will try to run the attract mode and report back to see if I can reproduce the issue

[limber atlas]

Couldn't recreate it

[zinc sandal]

hey @ocean phoenix , when you have a sec pls unpin #1075091985007902812 message now that we have the new stable release
Cheers 👍

[ocean phoenix]

Thank you very much!

[shell bobcat]

Did we find out what is included in the latest stable release?

[still gorge]

Wasn't it audio fixes

[halcyon pollen]

https://x.com/therealh0ffman/status/1880044303663423876?t=IAmEAto1vDDVSC4SlHJp5w&s=33

h0ffman (@therealh0ffman) on X

This is progressing a lot quicker than I thought it would.. Golden Axe but on the Neo Geo.

X · Jan 17, 2025, 12:07 AM

[full raven]

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE !

NEOGEO IS A BEAST

[halcyon pollen]

That guy is the beast!

I dream of a port of SF2 for Neo Geo.

[robust temple]

yeah i always wondered what one could look like, sf2 with the sprite scaling effects of neogeo like in art of fighting would be crazy 🙂

[still gorge]

Fuck yeah just like I remember it

[rain horizon]

Finally a real Double Dragon game coming to neo geo

[sly jackal]

Knight's Chance, which is a quite polished "homebrew" release has a bug on mister where the music won't loop. the rom is legally available to download and purchase from them on itch.io, good game. I let the devs know but they say its fine on real hardware. Not sure if the neo-geo core is under active development or how game specific bugs are handled.

[gritty compass]

Mentioning it here is good, filling out a bug report on the repo would also help.

[ocean phoenix]

File an issue here if you can - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues

That’s the best way to get it noticed and potentially fixed.

[limber atlas]

It could be that it needs a quirk, similar to other homebrew that mister supports

What format is the rom?

[still gorge]

What can I do in real life to get noticed and potentially fixed?

[full raven]

There is a bug in HYPERNOID in the same way. Only happens in JAP region (mister and real hw). Check all the regions if you can with Knights Chance.

[south cloud]

I don't remember an issue on Knight's Chance, but I was testing it on MiSTer with the original BIOS and the USA region.

Like GOEMON said, that should be tsted with other regions.

[sly jackal]

I’ll test again it might have been in euro. I’ll do a report with repro when I do, thanks 🙏

[full raven]

I will test in on the NG.

[full raven]

Ok

I only have the neo file

it fails in mister, all regions all modes

no loop

in real hw it works ok

but i don't have the darksoft set of this game, so... I can't test it.

maybe other set of the romset can work well

I really don't know

[sly jackal]

Okay i logged the knight's chance bug.

Does anyone have any luck getting softdip settings to stick in AES for example Metal Slug? it keeps undoing the blood [ON]. i sucessfully saved and reloaded a game to memory card, but yeah softdip doesn't seem to stick. Am i missing something? unibios AES.

[limber atlas]

In your mister OSD, set it to MVS. Then use unibios to change arcade/console

It will save settings in soft dip switches

[full raven]

what would be the problem with this knight's chance...

all the games are working perfectly...

[full raven]

would be good to test this game with the darksoft set.

i don't have full faith in neo files

[full raven]

darksoft fails too

[nocturne storm]

Is it possible to create a MGL file for an alternate Neo Geo setup which save the core settings but uses the same Game Folder?

i can do a MGL and have it as Neo Geo MVS with the correct settings to start it as MVS system and all but it also wants a new games folder.

i don't want to have double the Neo Geo roms.

[limber atlas]

Might need a quirk?

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/romsets.xml

There is also a file where you can configure .neo

[limber atlas]

Yes you can

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Gameboy_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/GameboyColor.mgl

Something like this you can do

[nocturne storm]

That's exactly what i already did. It looks for a GBC game folder though.

[limber atlas]

You need to edit the mgl file

How does your MGL file look like?

You can make your MGL like this:

<mistergamedescription>
    <rbf>_Console/NEOGEO</rbf>
    <setname>NeoGeoMVS</setname>
</mistergamedescription>

[nocturne storm]

Mine looks exactly like this. It searches always for a game folder with the name of the setname.

In this case NeoGeoMVS

[limber atlas]

Check if you can change the setname to match NEOGEO

And if it will create separate config

Otherwise you could symlink

[nocturne storm]

how do i do that?

[ocean phoenix]

Yes, do this:

    <rbf>_Console/NEOGEO</rbf>
    <setname same_dir="1">NeoGeoMVS</setname>
</mistergamedescription>```

setname same_dir is the command you want to give it a new config file but use the same directory.

[nocturne storm]

Nice thanks

[ocean phoenix]

I do that myself actually.

Because if you mix console saves and arcade saves it gets corrupted.

[nocturne storm]

Neo Geo is the first i want this. All others like GBC and PCE CD can ahve different directories for the games which makes sense.

[nocturne storm]

Exactly. i want to have AED to play casually and use training modes and such and MVS to have the soft dips saved.

[ocean phoenix]

I do the same with Light-gun games and Wonderswan games that are vertically oriented. Give them different configs files so I can save their settings to always have a light gun be the default control or have the wonder swan video flipped vertically with a more comfortable controller config.

[limber atlas]

Coool I didn't know about the same dir

Thanks

[ocean phoenix]

Yah, like most things MiSTer related we don’t do a good job bubbling that info up lol. Sorry.

[limber atlas]

Seems to be documented at least, so that is good 🙂

[zinc sandal]

I added it to the mkdocs wiki fairly recently, probably should note it applies to the saves and cheats folders too...

[ocean phoenix]

Ah dude you’re awesome!

[zinc sandal]

Gotta spread the good word about about MGLs.
Games will be saved. To a directory of your choosing

[nocturne storm]

just tried that with my MVS mgl setup and it didn't save 😦

[ocean phoenix]

Oh weird

[nocturne storm]

do i need to save the core settings after setting up the dip switch settings?

nope that didn't save either

i have my core set to Arcade MVS, Unibios to Europe Arcade, go into the service mode and set the level to 1 and the the Blood on and save the cores settings. After a complete reboot the settings are default again.

[ocean phoenix]

I’ve never tweaked the dip settings

So I don’t know, sorry

[nocturne storm]

But that is the major selling point of having a MVS version of the core 🙂

Maybe @limber atlas can explain how he did it?

[limber atlas]

Did you try Save Configuration in MIster OSD?

Press right

in OSD menu

[ocean phoenix]

I uhhhh, didn’t know how lol

[zinc sandal]

Think you need a mem card enabled for it to save unibios settings

N enable autosave

Then save OSD settings 🙂

[nocturne storm]

yes it did. didn't help

[zinc sandal]

Set the mem card option to 'plugged', enable autosave, save settings
Then change unibios settings, open OSD for it to save to sd

Should stick

[nocturne storm]

i will try. thanks

but this only with AES unibios dip settings or with MVS service menu dip settings?

[zinc sandal]

Hmm, think I've only changed stuff like blood in MVS mode

The [dip] settings option

[nocturne storm]

ok so then you mean change settings in the service mode because in MVS hardware mode you don't have dip settings option in the unibios menu.

[zinc sandal]

Ok, the Uni bios 4.0 menu that the [dip] settings option brings up when in MVS mode
Which has the blood option you mentioned

[nocturne storm]

that menu is actually from the MVS itself, you can also access it on a normal non unibios machine by pressing the test button.

[zinc sandal]

Ok, but do the steps get the settings you wanted to persist after reboot?

[nocturne storm]

im checking

YES it did. Thank @zinc sandal

[zinc sandal]

Sweet, I mostly know neogeo from arcade back in the day or mister core, seems Ive never seen the other/actual uni menu then 🙂

[nocturne storm]

Do you know if it's possible to create single game mgl files like the gamesmenu script does but for an alternative MGL loaded core like the NG MVS here?

[nocturne storm]

yes, i can confirm dip settins don't save on AES mode (unibios setting doesn't matter), only in MVS hardware mode with memory card saves on.

[zinc sandal]

Should be able to add the setname tag to the MGLs that gamesmenu creates

[nocturne storm]

do you have an example?

[zinc sandal]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/mgl/

Has some example MGLs and the parameters for diff cores

[nocturne storm]

i see. but it means i would need to change every single game MGL file manually right?

[zinc sandal]

Yeah, or script it in one way or another

[nocturne storm]

Puh, ok thanks

[unreal swallow]

I wonder if anyone has already made a script that allows you to select a group of roms and then generate MGLs for each one with specifically defined settings 🤔

[ocean phoenix]

There’s @echo pine’s extensions in update all, the GamesMenu script does that:

• https://github.com/wizzomafizzo/MiSTer_GamesMenu

You can also use his Favorites script to do one game at a time:

• https://github.com/wizzomafizzo/MiSTer_Favorites

[unreal swallow]

Thanks! I feel like I knew this at one point and then immediately forgot

[nocturne storm]

These yes but they do not allow you to do what i wanted with a different setname but same directory. It only sees what game folders you have.

[ocean phoenix]

Ohh ok. Yeah I manually make my MGLs.

[still gorge]

Weird flex but OK

[fading cape]

The best flex is a weird flex

[slow grail]

hand rolled MGLs from the scripting fields of texas

[fading cape]

Organic, free-range MGLs with no chemicals

[ocean phoenix]

lol damnit

[nocturne storm]

you should offer your MGLs on etsy

[full raven]

so, it is possible to make a file to start directly MVS, AES, or CD separately ? I'll study this.

would be great to make a single memcard for all the games, that would be good.

[nocturne storm]

Yes, i know have the main core file in Consoles as Neo Geo AES, a MGL file in the Consoles as Neo Geo CD and made a bunch of direkt loading MGL files for all games and put the into a folder in Arcades to load into MVS mode and having the dip switches saved.

[ocean phoenix]

yah it’s great

[bright magnet]

@sly jackal I added a note that the music loop seems to work on an older core build I happened to have - 20220403

[sly jackal]

i ran update all at least once this year so not sure what version my core is on, but it's recent

[full raven]

the double dragon ?

yes

it works

[peak eagle]

every time when launch the core . UniBios unable to enter by pressing (A+B+C) & (Start+A+B+C). every time need to enter to DIP setting and exit. than only can access the manu. any solution make able to access easily every time when launch the core?

[barren yoke]

Is the system type set to AES or MVS?

[limber atlas]

Switch controller to joystick only in the OSD

[peak eagle]

Yes is working. Thanks for the info👍

[spice cradle]

Note to self - Tiny Best Set Go roms for Neo-Geo are not gonna work on MiSTer

Was wondering for a loooooong while if something weird was happening to unibios

Anyway, a lot of cores are shifted to the left on my CRT but Neo-Geo is the worst

Wonder if I could center it a bit

[mossy pulsar]

Iv had the same mister setup for years, but lately when I try to load any Neo Geo games they take FOREVER. Noticed it late last year…..Depending on the size of game, it takes between 1-5 minutes. I know this was not always the case as I remember the games loading within a matter of seconds before. There’s no other core that even comes close to taking that long to load.

Is anyone else experiencing the same thing or know what the solution may be?

[gritty yoke]

Probably, the microSD card is bad. However, here, the NEO GEO's game folder always takes longer to read. Is this related to the core processing speed, or do other cores like the N64, CDi, etc., also have slow ROM file loading?

[mossy pulsar]

Nope n64 and others you mentioned load almost immediately, within seconds.

I remember the folders taking a moment to populate the list, but the rom load times were never like this. First time it happened I thought it had crashed because it was on a black screen for well over a minute before showing any loading progress. There is definite correlation between the size of rom and load time though. Ms3 takes 5+ minutes whereas andro dunos only takes around 2min.

I tried some Neo cd games out of curiosity and those load immediately with no issues.

[gritty yoke]

Let me test it

ms3 5 seconds to load

ad 3 seconds

[timid cobalt]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/commit/e181d87b6ac22401ae02022e3a70001b44039055

nice

https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=NEO-FTC1B_board

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizuna_Encounter:_Super_Tag_Battle - 4 player is now supported

[limber atlas]

Great surprise!

One thing that I've noticed, I think it is better if the core defaults to "Joystick only", rather than "Joystick & Spinner".

[timid cobalt]

yeah... strikers 1945 plus i think has issues with spinner on if you have a controller that has an accelerometer

or was it the dualsense joystick

been so long since i mentioned that issue

in general people should have to turn on the spinner as an option if they want it typically i would think

[limber atlas]

A+B+C input rarely works during unibios 4 screen if you have joystick + spinner option

[timid cobalt]

oh weird

that i didn't know

[limber atlas]

Agreed

[timid cobalt]

i just use the explicit mapping for ABC

i start a game, do select+start, then go down to soft reboot and press my ABC button

and hold it

[limber atlas]

Also, some issues with button inputs during intro in neo turf masters with joystick + spinner

[limber atlas]

I don't think you need to soft reboot

You select game -> unibios 4 screen appears -> press ABC

I'll try to confirm this when I'm back from my travels

[austere nymph]

Neotris (beta 2) is playable for 4 players also

[timid cobalt]

i've never been able to get into the menu from launching the game and pressing abc

it doesn't respond for me

you always have to hold ABC on boot in my experience

just tested with twinkle star sprites, yeah... unfortunately still have to do the soft reboot from the in game menu from unibios

okay just did it with a reset and apply from osd, maybe it's got a really tight window or something

either way, it's been easiest for me to just hold ABC when selecting soft reboot

[bitter spire]

Might be a bug with your configuration. Try deleting the Neo Geo core and settings, get a fresh build, and see if it makes any difference.

[timid cobalt]

how full is your MicroSD?

if it's above 95% or something, i could see issues like this happening with the neogeo core

does it take a long time to load the Cave core games? like dodonpachi?

[spice cradle]

Neo Geo roms are the slowest to load for me but they take like 7-10 seconds at most

[timid cobalt]

are you using .neo or mame romsets?

[spice cradle]

There is clearly some read struggle

[timid cobalt]

they are the largest things that get loaded into SDRAM out of any core

the 128MB sdram module was made to replace the 32MB SDRAM module just for this core

the SDRAM load is slower than DDR3, cave uses DDR3 as an intermediary to then speed up loading to SDRAM just like the neo geo core so i was mostly wondering if the same behavior happens there, since not a lot of cores do that same thign on such big files and the cave roms are fairly large

cd core loading like neogeocd streams directly off the microsd so it doesn't have to preload

[urban vector]

I didn't realise Neo Geo multitap was even a thing, what games all supported it?

[timid cobalt]

the one game i linked

basically it was only on early location tests that had 4 player

the 4player jamma expansion board is a prototype

almost no one would have encountered it in the wild

you too can own the kit to do this for the low low price of $14,250 - https://www.neostore.com/Kizuna-Encounter-Super-Tag-Battle-4-player-MVS-k-p/986.htm

i think it was done with two neo geo cabs originally during the location tests if i'm not mistaken

[mossy pulsar]

It’s a 256gb and still has around 170gb free.

[mossy pulsar]

These loads instantly, well within 3-5 seconds

[mossy pulsar]

I’ll try this thank you

[timid cobalt]

yeah that's strange then if it's taking minutes for the neo geo core, never seen anything like that before

i agree to reset settings, get a new rbf, etc...

[mossy pulsar]

Guess I’ll erase it all and try fresh everything

Thank you

[mossy pulsar]

I deleted the RBF, settings, configs, etc. Everything except the ROM folder; no change 😦

[mossy pulsar]

Im using .neo

I should also note, that after I load a game and then load another one, if I switch back to the first, it will load immediately like it is supposed to. Ex: Load MS1(LONG load time), then load MS3(long load time), then go back to MS1 its loads instantly.

[quick flame]

Well, I would try at least one mame ROM from the Darksoft set

If that works your problems can be confined to ".neo"

[timid cobalt]

Okay that's odd

Do you have a spare microsd?

[drowsy kelp]

New homebrew that also supports the adapter: https://www.patreon.com/posts/block-panic-dx-119035418?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_fan&utm_content=web_share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNYzIlC4l6Y

As an FYI, the NGCD version won't support this 4 player adapter "Block_Panic_DX_250101_(NGCD).zip

• NGCD standard version, supports NeoTris, no FTC1B support in NGCD bios!"

[mossy pulsar]

Yes but not setup for Mister, Ill try that next.

Im going to delete EVERYTHING including the roms folder. Downloading a mame set now to try that and see.

[mossy pulsar]

SO the normal MAME set is not correct? I need to use the Darksoft set?

[quick flame]

I would try the Darksoft one. That's the one that is known to work

[mossy pulsar]

Ok thanks @quick flame I tried it (same one I had on there before) after erasing everything and downloading it new and now its working. Guess one of the files in the GAMES/NEOGEO folder was the culprit all along. Appreciate all the help. Hoping if it happens to someone else they will see this and have a solution.

These were the files deleted that solved it, itwas one of them: 000-lo.lo, neo-epo.sp1, sfix.sfix, sp-s2.sp1, uni-bios.rom, gog-broken-romsets.xml, gog-romsets.xml, romsets.xml

[abstract birch]

This is great! Now if we could just get some sort of SNAC adapter support for the linkable cartridges like League Bowling and Thrash Rally

https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=Multiplayer

[drowsy kelp]

Sorg would like to add NeoTap compatibility to the core as well, if anyone is familiar with it, please let him know: https://www.chipsonsteroids.com/docs/neotap_specs_doc_en.pdf

Link to Neotap discussion (Patreon): https://www.patreon.com/posts/neogeo-119345206?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_fan&utm_content=web_share

[urban vector]

Has Sorg added another multitap support? What game is this for?

[timid cobalt]

No, he hasn't added another, it's for the AES, it is an aftermarket multitap

[drowsy kelp]

To my knowledge, NeoTris and Block Panix DX which I linked above. the FTC1B is originally for Kizuna Encounter AFAIK.

[austere nymph]

https://youtu.be/5k9rSBItpec?feature=shared

[still gorge]

Interesting

[limber atlas]

I posted a build in the https://discordapp.com/channels/647909397477195803/737506076806611064/1338223255911268467 channel where I added H/V adjust for CRT users. Try it out

[timid cobalt]

Thanks Toya

[warm echo]

Thanks for adding that adjustment

My pvm doesn't have a ton of adjustments

That'll be nice for dialing it in

[austere nymph]

@snow plume hi regarding your PR to add captain barrel, the XML file used on Mister provided by the dev game. There is a parameter pcm="1".
Do you have it on your side ?

[snow plume]

Hmm... I don't have that option added and the sound seems to work fine? 🤔

[austere nymph]

I don't see any differences between with or without this option

[robust temple]

It's great, every core should have the H/V CRT adjustments IMO :). I'm biased because i play most my games on an arcade CRT and i really don't want to fiddle with CRT knobs to resize a screen, especially when i have it perfect for consoles and CPS1/2 already i kind of want to leave the CRT as is and prefer to adjust in-core settings if they exist.

NeoGeo games are mostly good but a couple of games are a little wide so using H adjust to center a bit helps. Some games benefit from the V adjust to get the top and bottom rows both on screen.

[limber atlas]

We only add it to Neo geo because it is first and foremost an arcade system

I’ll push a PR with this change

[soft juniper]

Oh, Golden Axe release tomorrow? https://x.com/therealh0ffman/status/1889423018310414581?mx=2

h0ffman (@therealh0ffman) on X

Going to do a short stream tomorrow so we can package this bad boy up and get it released. In the mean time, enjoy the Neo Geo CD version with epic orcehstral soundtrack by Richard Douglas.

https://t.co/CHCq5eXov6

X · Feb 11, 2025, 9:15 PM

[gritty compass]

awesome news, can't wait to play it

[limber atlas]

2020 Super Baseball has visual glitches during the intro, latest core.
This seems to happen if you set core to MVS and Unibios and keep unibios set to Arcade

Anyone else that can confirm this and perhaps, confirm on real hardware?

[full raven]

It happens in the real hardware too

Toya

there are like small lines of pixels popping during the 2020 logo zooming, right?

[limber atlas]

yes correct

[limber atlas]

Thank you for confirming Goemon

[halcyon pollen]

https://x.com/therealh0ffman/status/1889770921436541015?t=Se3UiVajWeIGX9WnArXBHg&s=33

h0ffman (@therealh0ffman) on X

SHIP IT!! Golden Axe for the Neo Geo is now available for download. Go swing your weapons!

https://t.co/itjuMMENhI

X · Feb 12, 2025, 8:17 PM

[ocean phoenix]

Ok this is seriously cool as hell, but for a layman like me it’s just basically an arcade port to the Neo Geo right?

[soft juniper]

yes, although the ncd version has an orchestral soundtrack

[ocean phoenix]

Oh nice, so it’s an upgrade!

[soft juniper]

as long as you play the ncd version…I don’t think the base neogeo version has the alternate soundtrack

[ocean phoenix]

“During the port I found a youtube video which found a few of the sample sources for Golden Axe came from a selection of 80s movies, Conan, American Werewolf in London and Rambo. To get the best quailty possible I did a deep dive in these films and managed to replace 6 voice samples with new higher quality versions.”

Haha that’s awesome!

[soft juniper]

haha

[green marten]

yes its JUST Golden Axe but a cool version of it

[ocean phoenix]

Oh so like @spiral orbit is like you but a cool version of you?

[green marten]

if by cool you means smells like beans and isnt allowed to carry a knife in public sure

[ocean phoenix]

lmao

[green marten]

if you mean cool like you then smells of propane and cries while flexing in front of the mirror...also sure!

[ocean phoenix]

I like propane

[green marten]

The Official State Gas of Texas

followed closely by bbq farts

[soft juniper]

I think you mean chili farts, thank you very much

We don’t slather our meat with syrup and other nonsense like those philistines over in the carolinas, so if you get bbq farts from eating salt and pepper encrusted beef, go see a doctor

[spiral orbit]

This is correct 😄

[spiral orbit]

I need the knife to open my bean can.

[shell bobcat]

Is updated soundtrack any good?

[soft juniper]

Personally, I like the music as an independent thing. Not quite sure I like it replacing the original soundtrack since that’s not what I’m nostalgic for.

[haughty veldt]

I can't seem to get the CD version running on MiSTer! Tried both the bin/cue and chd formats.

[bright magnet]

What did it do? I've been able to start it OK

[bright magnet]

Oh - I've just noticed that it refused to boot with the CD Type set to CDZ if UniBIOS was on - Might be worth you checking that and trying with either CD Type set to CD or BIOS to Original

[wary bronze]

Didn’t have any issues here. Your download came direct from the dev?

[haughty veldt]

Yeah. Maybe it's the CDZ setting like Trifle said. I know I have that set on my system. I'll have to test it later. I did test different CD speed settings yesterday, and that was definitely not the cause.

[slow grail]

CD games don’t have to be in the JSON database or whatever the core uses for roms, right?

[limber atlas]

No

[haughty veldt]

Tested it again, and yeah, you have to set the CD type to CD in the core, and not CDZ. I forget if there was any benefit to setting it to CDZ? I feel like I remember someone recommending that setting back when the CD support was first added.

Like I know what the CDZ is of course. And that on real hardware, I believe it could do 2x CD read speeds compared to the original CD models. But with the core having its own speed settings, I can't remember if setting it to CDZ really has any benefit.

[mystic geyser]

CDZ support with the core has always been finicky. I just run everything with UniBIOS with CD type and 4x.

[raw flare]

Hello Evryone. Fro Neo Geo CD does CHD files have to be in a corresponding directory or all chd can be in the same directory?

[robust temple]

it doesn't matter where you put the chd

[haughty veldt]

It's always best to put CD games in their own folder for each game. PS1, Saturn, Neo Geo CD, etc.

[raw flare]

Thanks i will do it

[mystic geyser]

No

[ocean phoenix]

Making sure people don't get confused. Like he said, it is always best to put CHD in their own folder.

[rain horizon]

Who updates the romlist for the neo geo core? I had to update my own to get the darksoft and mame versions of shinobi and golden axe to work with the core

[limber atlas]

Make a PR

[rain horizon]

Oh ok I havent used my github account in forever..lol

[urban vector]

If you are able to get that updated it would be much appreciated 🙂

[rain horizon]

Ill get it updated..just havent used github in a long time. Like before I started using mister I made few themes for retropie and havent touched it since

Tried to do it during my lunch break and the browser wpuldnt scroll down to allow me to click submit on the pr

[still gorge]

If you use NEO you don't have to

[rain horizon]

Yeah I know but it might help other that arent as knowledgeable

[quick flame]

The NG:Dev games post Last Hope are all missing as well. But those are not available in the public romsets.

[south cloud]

Some NG:Dev games are protected with an ASIC or FPGA chip.
Can't be dumped at the moment (same situation as Paprium on MD/Gen).

[limber atlas]

Yeah NG:Dev games are doomed, for now

I reached out to them, to see if they could at least sell the roms (since they don't produce neo geo cart anymore). Answer was no

[rain horizon]

Leaving money on the table

[slow grail]

no kidding

I would gladly pay for those roms

[rain horizon]

I would too..they afraid of someone sharing them. But Ive never shared any roms I paid for

[austere nymph]

Also xenocris snes version

[slow grail]

And, like, long term, terrible for preservation

although I assume the protection will be cracked at some point

[rain horizon]

There is probably some mad scientist that bought the cart looking at it now

I backed out of my pr when I just added shinobi everything worked fine but when I added the line for golden axe it messed up the whole romlist and nothing would play.I dont know what's going on and Id rather not mess anything up. Ill keep playing with it tho.

[green marten]

classic "protect the value" mindset

Neo Geo is such an "investment" in people's minds they get V upset when they think something devalues their carts

[ocean phoenix]

I wouldn't know how detrimental piracy is to a homebrew team making game for discontinued consoles but it would at least increase their visibility by a huge margin. This is the first I've heard of NG:Dev.

[limber atlas]

Yeah, just trying to understand their reasoning

[green marten]

they were the "first" team making real homebrew titles you'd want to play

but they seem to have faded away

very big Amiga vibes from them in their games so I always thought they were "fine"

speaking of NG anyone playing FF:CotW right now? I need matches for a vid and the lobby is deader than @ocean phoenix when he sees charcoal

[ocean phoenix]

Damn that's cool. Looks like I missed out.

Unlike with propane, I never miss out on that.

[green marten]

play Last Hope: Pink Bullets. Its on NGCD. So unlike the carts its not copy protected so its....out there

[slow grail]

I can get on an play after like 11:30 if you still need footage

[green marten]

ill lyk...I almost have enough

game is a vibe. Mechanics are great. Overall stability and back end...good thing they are beta testing it

[slow grail]

I can’t wait. I’m a little sad we aren’t getting a new KOF. But I’ll happily take a new garou

[green marten]

I am sure new KOF will come

I am glad Garou is back

so long as they fix this ass online netcode

[green marten]

I am good. One more match and I have enough raw

[slow grail]

Surely it’s rollback, no?

[green marten]

in matches its fine...lotta server errors currently

[slow grail]

ahh ok

[unreal swallow]

ooh I didn’t know there was an NGCD version. I believe I have the Dreamcast version on my gdemu

[green marten]

and render...that was fun

[green marten]

then no huge reason to play the NGCD one outside of you can

CotW impressions: tight fighting game mechanics, decent presentation...some weird background animations. Online is solid. Menu system is laggy AF but thankfully in game there is seemingly zero lag

def feels like a beta

[unreal swallow]

I mean, if it exists, I have to acquire it because….i just have to

[green marten]

for 4PM

see if anyone gives a shit if I talk modern games haha. They usually dont

[ocean phoenix]

New Fatal Furv is here!

[green marten]

haha thanks for catching that

[ocean phoenix]

Nah, it was just your image is too cropped. I was being a jerk.

[green marten]

lol thats what I mean...I didnt notice the Y was trailing off the thumb

so you actually were useful for once! 🤣

[ocean phoenix]

FINALLY

[austere nymph]

It is beautifull for the Neogeo 😎

[crystal ridge]

On the Neo Geo core, is there a way to get rid of the black bars on some of the games. I read up that some Neo games are 320x224 and some (later ones) are 304x224. Causing them to have black bars on the sides. Can the screen fill in the space? I have a Unico 26in 4:3 that I am using with this?

[gritty compass]

What are you using for scaling? Integer or non integer? I would think non integer would fill the whole display resolution. (Though tbh I use an external scaler so I'm not sure exactly what the behavior is)

[shell bobcat]

I thought you could set the resolution to increase or decrease from the osd

[marble anvil]

I noticed there are some arcade cores that have a cpu turbo function. Is it possible to implement such a thing in the Neo Geo core? There are a lot of games that would benefit from it, mainly the Metal Slug series.

[marble anvil]

I mainly play in 304 width; playing SamSho RPG in the intro while the background goes all the way to 320 the character sprites only show up to 304 and looks weird since you can see the background behind the incomplete sprite.

[unreal swallow]

I do believe there is a fairly old Turbo build of the core lurking out there…might be on the forum

[marble anvil]

How old?

[unreal swallow]

like a couple years at least I think

[haughty veldt]

Metal Slug 2 is the main one that needed something like a turbo mode, but it got X that fixed those issues, and I believe there's also a rom hack of 2 that also fixes those issues.

[marble anvil]

I mean, MS2 was infamous for that, but the rest of the games have plenty of slowdowns, though not as severe...

[limber atlas]

We’ve had this discussion before and will not happen. Reason is

1. The core is pretty much full
2. Turbo feature can cause issues. ( which it also did on the turbo builds)

Btw, the turbo builds are based on before the core went through a synchronous redesign

[marble anvil]

Thanks for the answer.

[ocean phoenix]

Damn good answer. Thanks, dude!

[ocean phoenix]

AES > MVS, prove me wrong.

[slow grail]

https://tenor.com/bzy1R.gif

[soft juniper]

I can’t plug 4 cartridges into an AES

https://tenor.com/view/infomercial-fail-fall-food-mad-gif-7761854

Imagine getting up and down after every game

[placid whale]

no guys he used the > symbol, he’s just implying alphabetical order

[hushed onyx]

aes runs at the wrong speed

[ocean phoenix]

No it doesn’t!

[still gorge]

Say what now

[still gorge]

https://youtu.be/jPKpcPqyEfI?si=XNK3T6UrNXv3Lb5R

[abstract fractal]

That's f'ing awesome!

[placid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[still gorge]

This isn't the spicy off topic you can't talk like that

[abstract fractal]

Oh, sorry, how about, that's f'ing awesome!

[abstract fractal]

Oh come on, it's clearly the best AES mod to ever happen. I'm already modding all my AES' with it!

[indigo radish]

https://ozzyouzo.itch.io/double-dragon?download

[robust temple]

Nice, just did a playthrough (it's only level one so only takes like 5mins or less). It's got some demoscene vibes with the intro and the flames.

[shell bobcat]

What happened to that vengeance hunters?

[bright magnet]

Carts shipped late last year/early this, dev sold out but SAG had some still available last I saw.
I enjoy it!

[shell bobcat]

Ah you bought one? It's on multiplatform right?

[bright magnet]

Yeah I have it on AES & Steam. It is on a few consoles as well IIRC

[robust temple]

i have a cart. the game is ok, has some battletoads vibes how you can hit enemies in the air and stuff. Unfortunately the cart never gives away its attract mode. So if i put it in my 4 slot neogeo, the machine cyles through games and stops on the vengence hunters game and never goes back to any of the other games in the multislot.

for neogeo enthusiasts not playing well in a real machine is a bit of an issue for me but hey you can call me picky or anal if you want 🙂

to clarify - a multislot neogeo plays the demos/attracts from each cart that is inserted in the machine, and loops around them. Vengence hunters blocks that and the demo/attract loop is stuck on the vengence hunters cart.

[abstract fractal]

Hey, did you let the team know about this issue? I've passed them some stuff they are fixinig in the next patch

it would good if they are aware of this so that they can maybe get it in the patch

it seems like all my problems were MVS related too, the AES side seems pretty good now that I cleaned my slots again

[shell bobcat]

Isn't the neo geo cart like £400?

and steam £20

[robust temple]

i haven't mentoned it, mostly because there isn't any way to patch a cart, so my problem wouldn't get fixed anyway 😛

[robust temple]

it wasn't cheap

[abstract fractal]

Of course there is. I've already run two patches. It goes on an SD card and fits in the side.

Please mention it

to the team, I can do so if you want

[robust temple]

what method are you notifying them? email or feedback link somewhere? i can let them know but also happy if you do

i didn't know the cart had a sdcard slot, i kind of just plugged it into my machine without noticing

[abstract fractal]

I posted in their discord, you can join or I can tell you what they say. I cut/pasted your conscern, which in my mind is very valid and needs to be fixed. I don't know if it will make it ot this patch, but hopefully the next one

[robust temple]

thanks i'll join the discord

[shell bobcat]

Is there a difference between the platforms? Like Neo geo has extra stuff or maybe updates via an sd card. I'm just guessing it could even do that of course.

[shell bobcat]

Just played it on steam and the playing mechanics are very good. Seriously piss poor graphics options though. The filters are worthless and it doesn't even have smoothing so it looks blocky and rough. They are taking the piss for £20, let alone £400 for a cart. Cheeky mofo's.

Even the art style with leaves blowing is worse than Ghosts and Ghouls. For a modern neo geo game it lacks polish.

[robust temple]

pretty much any new game on a neogeo cart will be expensive, also it looks pretty nice on a CRT in a cab. I've got a preorder on final vendetta which isn't cheap either, i hear they're shipping now but i haven't recieved my cart yet

[ocean phoenix]

I’m convinced the only reason why Neo geo carts are hundreds of dollars is because people are willing to pay for it. I’d love to know the actual manufacturing costs of a Neo geo repro cart.

[abstract fractal]

I believe there are zero differences between the versions except that on modern systems you get those screen settings which of course on AES/MVS you do not.

[abstract fractal]

Wow, I couldn't disagree more! I think it looks fantastic on real NG hardware! I'm not sure how it looks on Steam/PS4 but since it's designed to run on a 25 year old system, I think it kicks ass! Compare it to a contemporary, like Final Vendeta, I think the art blows it away!

[shell bobcat]

I like the game mechanics and it has cool characters design. I just meant the intro and tree blowing effects looked underwhelming. Maybe on a CRT is looks better.

When you are charging £400 you want all the glitz. I watched a review and the guy had to take apart the case to revert the label so when it plugged in it wasn't back to front lol.

[sly jackal]

Is there anyway to get y/c composite support in the neo geo core? As in aes displays perfectly with composite, but mvs has artifacts.

[robust temple]

I think today they don't have the advantage of mass producing something for neogeo. Back in the day there were more neogeo "customers" because the arcade machines were everywhere so they could use whatever company was mass producing the carts. I grew up in the blue mountains in australia and there was a neogeo arcade machine at my local video shop. If there was one at my local shops in a tiny town there must of been a LOT of them world wide.

Today it's just enthusiasts like us

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah great point.

I forget just how STACKED those carts are

[robust temple]

the amount of rom chips in neogeo carts was kind of insane back in the day

[shell bobcat]

But I think selling out to a multiplatform has slapped faithful Neo geo customers in the gonads. I mean it's just greedy.

[ocean phoenix]

what do you mean?

[shell bobcat]

You can pay £20 for a digital download that plays identical to the Neo geo.

The whole point neo geo was so expensive before, was it had no competition from any other console for its arcade quality.

It just seems to me a massive money spinner

It will eventually be playable on Mister

Neo geo is now inferior hardware to modern consoles.

Rich kids console

[abstract fractal]

If you get the MVS version, you might have to change the label side because each MVS motherboard handles the cart differently. The fact that they made it able to be swapped is actually a perk and something other companies need to do as well. I think from the lack of understanding these things you might not be super familiar with NeoGeo hardware so it's understandable, but trust me, it's pretty top notch as far as hardware goes.

[abstract fractal]

You can say that for anything. There is a NES game that is $40,000 USD, and the game isn't that good and you can definitly play it on MiSTer, a Pi, hell, my phone from 10 years ago. Also, I think they've built some protections in, like Neo Dev and you may not be abel to play this on MiSTer for many years, if ever.

[ocean phoenix]

Neo Geo was originally a rich kid’s console and now it’s a rich adult’s console lol.

Actually considering the price point it was more like a rich adult’s console and it just continued being that

[bitter spire]

There's something ironic about how the MVS Neo Geo was meant to save money with the interchangeable cartridges, while the AES Neo Geo was expensive because of the hardware and cartridges.

Really highlights how different arcades and consoles were.

[willow girder]

Also, really puts into perspective how crazy purpose built/single game cabs are.

[shell bobcat]

Yeah it's a crazy world.

[shell bobcat]

I still dont get why game devs are obsessed relasing these retro pixelated graphics when they could make them look so much better. They then give you crap crt filters to imitate an old TVs. Tmnt shredder revenge is a prime example.

[willow girder]

Modern retro games don’t look good because they aren’t under the forced constraints of the old hardware, so despite their efforts, unless their game is like 16 megabits it’s going to look modern but trying to look retro.

Not accounting for the program/emulator/framework

Xenocrisis got this right.

Although Demons of Asteborg (sp?) was also designed around real hardware their ROM was significantly larger than games of the era so it looks off to me.

[shell bobcat]

I think they are missing a trick with these modern 2d type games. They need to evolve them and have pretty modern art style The old pixel look is just crap on new tvs. Every genre improves graphics, not goes in reverse. Plus a widescreen aspect prevents it being used on a crt. It frustrates me how bad they look.

[willow girder]

They do look bad. Agreed.

[abstract fractal]

Eh, everyone likes different things. I like it all, from the new TMNT to the Streets of Rage 4 look. Just keep them coming!

[shell bobcat]

True

[shell bobcat]

Ice palace 2 has the right blend and definitely has its own style.

[ocean phoenix]

The new TMNT beat ‘em up isn’t good

It’s amazing!!!!!

[topaz holly]

It’s very good but unfortunately too short

[haughty veldt]

Classic Robby.

[ocean phoenix]

Bruh, it has a boss song that's just so damn good I listen to it on my playlist lol

||We Aint' Come Lose by Raekwon and Ghostface Killah? SO GOOD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AeHzp11cwU ||

[shell bobcat]

T-U-R-T-L-E POWER!!!

[still gorge]

Which one

[topaz holly]

Some years ago, 2022 maybe, I remember a member of this group share MRA for all neo geo games. They are great but since they are a little old, does anyone knows if they get updates? Thanks

[limber atlas]

That one is abandoned

Will never get updated

It was a fork of the main core

If you want similar experience, create MGL files

[topaz holly]

Thanks for the answer, they were (are) great !

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah, I have MGL files set to boot a version of the core that’s configured to be arcade

[limber atlas]

yes

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ieshu26TAHAZqSRXpCWYBntr-eIHSJBK/view

You can then have different configs

[topaz holly]

Sorry for my dumb question but Unfortunately I don’t know how to do it. Is there anywhere that I could look for to learning how to create MGL files?

[native moat]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/mgl/

[zinc sandal]

https://github.com/wizzomafizzo/MiSTer_Favorites can help automate creating them
not sure if it lets you add a <setname> tag, which is what determines if the MGL uses different config files than the normal ones for neogeo core

[ocean phoenix]

It doesn’t, but it sets up most of the MGL for you.

[ocean phoenix]

How random

[bitter spire]

The Last Blade
there is more than one blade

[slow grail]

Betrayed constantly. First final fantasy and now this

[robust temple]

First time i played The Last Blade was on an emulator, sadly didn't get to see it in the arcades (unlike samurai shodown which was everywhere and many many other neogeo games). My friend and I loved it though, it has such a great feel to it. They clearly spent a lot of time making the game fun to play and paid attention to how hits should feel. The special moves are also very friendly to those with SF2 skills (which was very common back then).

[urban vector]

Does anyone remember exactly why the .MRA file loading for Neo Geo MVS games that Blackwine did never made it into the official core? It has been a few years and I can't remember what exactly happened there.

[crimson rivet]

iirc, sorg flat out rejected it and MGL files were created as a solution. I use MGL files for all my console games so I’m happy with this solution tbh

[urban vector]

Hmm, I wonder what Sorg's rationale was there

[ocean phoenix]

Oh wow, yeah I’m happy it ended up that way too. I use MGL to launch all my games.

[crimson rivet]

My guess as to the reason why was that it was an unnecessary addition and would confuse end users between using MRA files and a standard set like the Dark Rom set

MGL files can be placed in the arcade folder so I think that was the rationale

[ocean phoenix]

What would MRA loading bring to Neo Geo. I’ve also got my entire Neo Geo set loading with MGL and using the Neo Geo core with setname variant so it’s arcade settings are applied,

Yeah all in the arcade folder too

maybe MRA bypasses the need for using setname?

[urban vector]

For anyone with a cabinet it would have everything automatically downloaded and set up the same way as every other arcade is probably the main one

[ocean phoenix]

Ohhh nice makes sense.

[urban vector]

Update all is a godsend for grabbing everything needed to go off and play the arcade cores, it makes it so simple. If we didn't have this then I imagine for a lot of users arcades wouldn't get a look in. It is great to not have to do anything and have them all there at your fingertips, ready to play.

[slow grail]

Update_all makes the mister so much more accessible. The idea that I would have to manually track and update cores from a ton of different devs is just overwhelming - it’s what kept me away from the mister for so long. update all just takes that road block away

[ocean phoenix]

The base update script does that. Update all just allows you to tack on external scripts such as downloading bios files and name roms.

Which is a massive help for people who aren’t familiar with that.

Like I ain’t grabbing all the mame roms lol

[slow grail]

yeah, I didn’t know that when I first got my mister. if you google “keep mister up to date” update all is the first hit

[urban vector]

Before the was the BIOS DB I couldn't get a load of cores to boot properly, including the Neo Geo, which has 5 files you need. I even learned basic python to make a script to check my folders had the right files in there. Having all the correct BIOS files grabbed is so helpful and saves so many potential problems with people having the wrong files.

[slow grail]

Yeah, it will be nice when saturn and cdi are in there

[urban vector]

I am going to see what I can do about that, it hasn't been maintained for a good while and there are a few systems missing these days

[slow grail]

oh right, scv and jag. Yeah, I guess there are a few

STV is in there now, at least (I think)

[urban vector]

There are also a load of computer cores that will hopefully make it into Main as well soon that need obscure BIOS files

[robust temple]

Yeah it was always kind of weird to me that the decision was to make neogeo a console core in terms of organising games, when in reality hardly anyone had the console, it was mostly an arcade system. It's the reason why the AES is more expensive than the MVS, there were way more arcades than consoles produced for neogeo. Consolized MVS's are in abundance while AES (console) are expensive.

CPS changer was a console version of CPS1 but we still get all the CPS games in the arcade folder 😛

[bitter spire]

At the end of the day the differences between the MVS and AES are superficial anyway, so it feels kind of pointless to pull hairs over how the core should handle the ROMs.

[robust temple]

i'm not really complaining about how the core handles roms, just how we decided to organise the games

in the mister menu

[bitter spire]

Though treating the core like an AES system does make slightly more sense since the core also supports Neo Geo CD.

[robust temple]

we have all the other mame games in arcade by default, except neogeo is by default in console, and i may be a nitpicky guy, but neogeo is arcade to me lol

[urban vector]

Because AES and MVS are so similar, I am more curious why the ability to also load the games via MRA was rejected and wound up being in a fork. Maybe there are space issues in the core? I don't know, but since if is clearly doable to add support I am wondering the rationale behind rejecting the PR

[robust temple]

i can only assume because MRAs usually point to unique rbfs (cores), so like CPS1/2 etc have a seperate core per game due to minor differences in the boards

although they can't be that different, as i own a darksoft CPS2 multi which is 1 A motherboard + a B board that is modified

[urban vector]

I don't think that is the issue, the MVS boards all play all the games via carts

[robust temple]

thats what i mean though - because it plays the games via carts, its a single rbf for neogeo

[urban vector]

It isn't a situation where certain games had daughter boards etc

[robust temple]

i don't think sorg wanted multiple MRAs for a single RBF (core)

[urban vector]

Yeah, so in Blackwine's fork the mra files all play off the same Neo Geo core that is a tweaked version of the one in Main (how different I don't know)

Lots of other arcade cores are the one .rbf and multiple games as mra files running off it

[robust temple]

hmm is there? are you sure?

[urban vector]

Like the IREM cores, and what STV is doing

[robust temple]

ah yeah you're right irem is

[slow grail]

Yeah, it’s pretty common with arcade games.

Fairyland Tale is like 4 games, aren’t cps 1 and 2 both single rbf files?

[robust temple]

neogeo was before all that though so maybe its a case of those cores not having consoles

but yeah still kind of a weird decision to me, considering neogeo was my faverote arcade 🙂

literally no one i knew owned a neogeo console growing up, i only saw them in gaming magazines and drooled over them

[urban vector]

I don't mind playing the games as if it is a console, but I see the use case for wanting them as arcade games with mra files like all the other cores as well, especially if you had a MiSTer in an arcade cabinet, and since update all would just grab all the games for you

[robust temple]

yeah exactly and update all doesn't grab neogeo games as a result, even though they're all in that same mame collection that the other games are grabbed from

maybe it's because the core needs the unencrypted roms which arn't the mameset

[limber atlas]

Well, from Sorgs point of view, he sees neogeo as a console core vs arcade core.

Added benefit is probably rom patching being easier

[robust temple]

isn't it the same?

[lucid flume]

Is there some way for you to distribute your setup with a script?

[ocean phoenix]

Uhhhh no cause I am a lazy man. Maybe I just zip it up and post here?

I don’t have it for all the games, just the 100 I have on my system, is that ok?

[lucid flume]

Sure that would be a good example of how it works anyway.

[ocean phoenix]

I use <setname> so I can have custom config to default the core into arcade mode, bind controls in an arcade stick layout, and so I can seperate the save files as sharing between console and arcade corrupts the save.

Additionally I keep all the files in the same NEOGEO folder so no need to duplicate. I did do a symlink so that the NeoGeoMVS folder redirects to NEOGEO for the games and help folders.

[little cosmos]

Could probably use the samedir flag for that these days

[ocean phoenix]

Oh yeah very true

Good call!

[ocean phoenix]

I remember why I didn't use that. The save files have to be in a different directory.

If you play the same game as a console and then arcade game (or the reverse) the save file gets corrupted

[little cosmos]

Ahhh, yeah that makes sense. Carry on 🙂

[nocturne storm]

I also use this setup but i noticed that compared to other multigame arcade cores it does only create one config file, not one for every game/MRA. Do you know is thats an issue for saving the soft dips settings?

[ocean phoenix]

Don’t think it’s an issue. Dip settings are typically saved per game and not core. At least I think so anyways

[nocturne storm]

exactly, if there is no config file per game how can they be saved per game?

[ocean phoenix]

Hmmm, good question. Maybe it’s saved as part of the game save?

[nocturne storm]

No, those are only part of the memory cards used like with the real hardware. The arcade side soft dips are normally saved into SRAM of the board, the part where the battery is.

Maybe someone else knows how the soft dip saves work on the arcade cores.

[ocean phoenix]

Thanks for the explanations, I was way off haha

[uneven vector]

Donald McDonald!

[spiral cloak]

Ronald McDonald was an OK guy

Played NeoGeo, no known pedo events

Really 2 opposites of what you'd expect

[south cloud]

GladMort works on the core.

[haughty veldt]

Did they release a rom that you can buy?

[south cloud]

Nope, only STEAM or Switch/PS4...
Or the Neo Geo cartridge.

[abstract fractal]

Man that's cool, but they are still tryiing to sell the game, not cool to pirate rigth out of the gate.

[haughty veldt]

That's why it sucks that you can't buy a rom.

[abstract fractal]

well I assume the ROM is yanked off the Steam version, so you can buy a ROM!

[south cloud]

Technically, yes.

[quick jewel]

Hello

i have prob with Neo Geo pocket core

am i at the good place ?

[fading verge]

You could try asking in the handhelds thread. But if you are having issues with that core you are not the only one. I don't think it should have been public in the state it is now.

[quick jewel]

ok, in fact i'm launching it on CRT, but it starts like having a "bad resolution", i've got black screen, can i manage to change settings especially resolution without going into OSD ?

[slow grail]

the neo geo pocket core is a mess

My Beloved

[fading verge]

I don't think it works on CRT yet, maybe I am wrong. But as I can barely use it over HDMI even if you do get video the core is kinda broken.

[quick jewel]

Ok, thanks 😉

[slow grail]

My Beloved.

[ocean phoenix]

No, you need to go to Jotego’s Discord or file a bug on his GitHub

That core is unofficial and not affiliated with the MiSTer project

[quick jewel]

Ok, thanks.

[abstract fractal]

You know what kind of being right is the best?

[south cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-goddamn-right-breaking-bad-youre-right-walter-white-gif-15742143

[haughty veldt]

Oh, so you can buy the Steam version, and pull the rom from that?

[south cloud]

No, you need to decompile it and know the magic 'word', depending of your country and local laws, it is either legal or not.

[haughty veldt]

Ah, so no dice then. Bummer.

[abstract fractal]

I feel like if you buy the Steam version, you are good to go to pull it for MiSTer. I just feel bad for this small company as I'm sure this ROM will get leaked pretty fast.

[haughty veldt]

I wouldn't know how to decompile it anyway.

[topaz holly]

Would the magic word be “mellon”?

[south cloud]

Open gate

[haughty veldt]

I was taught in elementary school that the magic word is "please!"

Sometimes referred to as "pwetty pwease". 🥺

[slow grail]

https://tenor.com/bnrZ2.gif

[austere nymph]

https://youtu.be/IVkLMcrBwG8?feature=shared

[still gorge]

is it any good?

[rain horizon]

There are quite a few steam games that download console roms with the steam version just gotta know which ones and where to look for it

Its how I got the nes versions of Alwa's Awakening and Micro Mages

[gritty compass]

Alwa's Awakening you can just buy the ROM itself though

[spiral cloak]

2 birds 1 purchase

[uneven vector]

Xenocrisis on Steam is a native version, so no rom, though the DC, NeoGeo, NeoGeo CD, Genesis, and N64 versions have the ROM available for purchase on bitmap bureau's shop.

Astebros and Demon's of Asteborg have the rom in the game's directory. Tanglewood for MD also has the rom available.

also check the directory for Micro Mages, there is now a second rom with different levels.

[zinc kite]

trying to get this running on MiSTer. its in darksoft format in the download from pouet: https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=103936

any idea what needs to be added to romsets.xml for that?

[lucid flume]

Does it need to be in the romset XML if it's Darksoft?

Maybe I'm just assuming Darksoft = . neo

[austere nymph]

Here
<romset name="vaporous" altname="Vaporous - A NeoGeo MVS/AES Demo" publisher="The Twitch Elite" year="2025" ram="1"/>

[zinc sandal]

Theres a .neo in the zip download also, in neoSD folder

[zinc kite]

Thanks!

Nice that they stashed a .neo file in there too, I didn't notice that when browsing through it before

[zinc kite]

when i doubt, read the readme i guess 😅

This is the prefered emulation method. The fantastic core by furrtek
is cycle accurate and best suited to running the demo. It's so good
we used it to debug our demo.

Simply use the included .neo file.```

[zinc kite]

definitely prefer this method with the darksoft set for MiSTer. the .neo format is double the size for some reason 🤔

[still gorge]

Is this Vaporous any good?

[haughty veldt]

It's just a 3D demonstration suite right?

An impressive one though.

[austere nymph]

I think neo is not zipped

[urban vector]

As a PSA, you don't want your Neo Geo ROMs zipped, as if you do the fast load feature won't work and your games will load noticeably slower.

[spiral cloak]

Interesting, I'll have to see what mine are

Ok, in folders as .neo then

[spice inlet]

Hey Robby I sent you a pm about using MGL files. Perhaps you didn’t see it? Or perhaps my question was too stupid 🫠

[ocean phoenix]

Oh sorry, I didn’t respond

Uhhh lemme go see it

Ok so, the MGL files I created expect a folder called “NeoGeoMVS” in your games directory.

The only thing those MGL files do is utilize the setname command to give the core a new name when using that MGL file. That way you can give the core new options to set it up as an arcade core. Save files aren’t interchangeable between AES and MVS modes.

You can open MGL files in a text editor to see what they do.

I suggest you do a symbolic link from your NEOGEO folder to NeoGeoMVS. So you don’t need to copy over any games.

[spice inlet]

You need to take it slow, I'm absolutely not versed in the technicalities 😬
So I need a folder called "NeoGeoMVS". Since I don't have any idea how to make a symbolic link (or what it really entails), is it OK to just put my games there directly?
Also, when I open the MGLs I can see that the game names end with ".neo" is this the format I need for the games in order for things to work?

[spice inlet]

And perhaps it's useful to give a little context for my use case.

I'm using Mister in my arcade cabinet with an Irken JAMMA expander. It's working great for arcade cores, but for Neo Geo the controls don't work for both players. The JAMMA expander defaults to "keyboard" setting which I think is based on the standard MAME keyboard mapping, so that might not be a thing for Neo Geo?

It is possible to switch to a gamepad setting on the expander, but it's not ideal since it means opening the machine and fiddling with the PCB. So my hope is that by using the MGL method it will be possible to just "plug and play" without the need to switch modes on the expander.

[fluid idol]

Have to do that anyways to enable the user lock

[spice inlet]

Sorry, have to do what?

[fluid idol]

ok, it is an edge case, but with the menu shortcut of holding start for 2s, one is not able to select classic chunli in sfz2, as it will not pipe it through outside of the user lock enabled mode

[spice inlet]

Yes that really is an edge case 🙂

[zinc sandal]

Making a symlink is really easy using winscp: #help message

.neo is the easiest format to work with, single file per game.
Looks like they're needed for neogeo mgls: https://github.com/wizzomafizzo/mrext/blob/main/docs/systems.md#neo-geo-mvsaes

[haughty surge]

Hello, can someone explain to me how to install the Metal Slug 2 Turbo Rom on the Mister Pi?

[lucid flume]

just put it with the rest of them? Nothing special about it.

[haughty surge]

When I search for the ROM, I find a file named mslug2t. But it doesn't work.

[slow grail]

isn't it part of the merged metal slug set?

oh I see it. I have Metal Slug 2 Turbo (mslug2t).neo - maybe that helps

[haughty surge]

Where to find the merged metal slug set?

[slow grail]

i'm sure it's archived somewhere

[haughty veldt]

We aren't allowed to ask for where to find roms or give that information. Best we can do is give vague direction. But yes, I'm sure it must be archived somewhere online. wink wink

[haughty surge]

I'm very sorry. I didn't want to tempt anyone to commit a crime here! I'm really stupid and can't find the Roma. hahahaha

[slow grail]

htgdb

[haughty surge]

I found it!

THANKS!

[austere nymph]

Little Game for Neogeo (ported from Genesis)
https://kakoeimon.itch.io/super-power-kick

[plucky stag]

Is there any sort of technical limitation that would prevent adding the link functionality for the like 3 or so Neo games that use it? It would be funny to hook up two misters to run 4p kizuna encounter

[urban vector]

Hmm, layman thoughts on this one, but how did this work on original hardware? What sort of port and cable were used?

Maybe it could be wired up up to the iO but wonder how you would connect the two. Maybe need a special SNAC?

[south cloud]

Special board, extremely rare.

https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=NEO-FTC1B_board

Furrtek done some schematics.

[urban vector]

Ah OK, so a complex one.

[solar patio]

Actually looks pretty simple. The schematic shows each of the 2 players adds an alternate controller. J1 pin 1 controls which controller is active (alternate or not - applies to both sets). J1 pin 3 looks like it is used for detection if the 4 card is present. It forces button A on (I think) for default player or button B on for alternate player again for both sets. Just need to know how J1 bits 1 and 3 are controlled and hook it all up.

Just looked at the link. Yep. J1 is controlled by https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=Memory_mapped_registers#REG_POUTPUT that. Looks trivial.

[urban vector]

Oh, so this is less of a way to link two consoles and more of a way to players 3 and 4 to games?

[solar patio]

That is what it looks like to me.

The bottom might be showing that one console is generating the video for two monitors. ie Only one machine is running, but using the screens and buttons of two machines.

[abstract birch]

I think there is more than one way to 'link'. I believe some Neo Geo games did system link through a 3.5 milimeter jack on the carts

https://www.neo-geo.com/forums/index.php?threads/neo-geo-link-up-feature-glossary-info-question-mods-shawn.78776/

[plucky stag]

yeah, this was the approach I was thinking of

I think the unibios is already set up to allow the expanded multiplay for those games (and kizuna encounter) if the relevant hardware is on hand

but if it's mostly just adding the equivalent of extra controllers to the existing setup that's even better

[solar patio]

https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=Multiplayer

So Kizuna Encounter uses a single system with multi-plexed 4 player adapter. The others use a cable between systems. Two wires at 62500 baud seems doable via Snac.

And it does look like the multi-plexed version is already implemented https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/blob/master/neogeo.sv#L291

[pallid jacinth]

"oBC,Multitap,No,NEO-FTC1B,NeoTris;",

[urban vector]

Would this need a new bespoke SNAC adaptor?

[solar patio]

I didn't dig very deep. It looks like it needs one out and one in line. I would assume almost any adapter could hook up 2. The diagram seems to show them daisy chained. So more than 2 might require something specific. It depends on what the protocol does.

[urban vector]

Maybe the GBC link cable SNAC a good candidate?

[solar patio]

Possibly

[long meteor]

@solar patio, Is it possible a 8x loading speed on the Core for Neo Geo CD games, like Neo SD Loader?

[solar patio]

I don`t know. My first reaction would be probably, but I assume paul (who did the 4x) would have if it were possible. I seem to recall him saying it was not stable above 4. Maybe MiSTer Main struggles to keep up with it or there is something else making it unstable. Or maybe it would work better after he ported the clock sync changes.

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[flint latch]

Does anybody have any idea why the Neo Geo core would suddenly be gone from my MiSTer? I have one update all recently but I didn't change anything at all in the ini file

I found it, the name changed to SNK Neo Geo for some reason.

[slow grail]

Names.txt maybe

[wintry agate]

LOL. They changed the name for the Sega Master System to Sega System E

[slow grail]

wtf

[wintry agate]

Ah, this seems the Arcade Master System.

It's this a combined core?

Same goes for Neo Geo Arcade = SNK NeoGeo MVS

[slow grail]

well the neo geo core has always been combined, but its lived in consoles

[wintry agate]

arcade_NeoGeo: SNK NeoGeo MVS
arcade_SMS: SEGA System E

I removed this nonsense

Names are back to normal

[slow grail]

yeah, names.txt just felt like it was always just confusing things

[ocean phoenix]

I roll my own names dot tee ecks tee

[blissful pelican]

This is not a names.txt issue. Names.txt has entries for arcade_neogeo, arcade_sms for three years, but also entries for neogeo and sms. The names.txt got alphabetically resorted recently and it is an issue of the MiSTer-UI that it picks the first [xyz]_sms entry to match the core name that does not even start with "arcade". I will remove these two arcade entries for now, they might be old relics, but this will stay an issue if there are cores being named in that fashion. It needs to be fixed in the MiSTer-UI.

In general it would be helpful to raise such issues properly instead of complaining in such an uneducated manner.

[slow grail]

I think maybe I both wasn't clear and that you're misunderstanding the context around this comment as it's not a complaint.

Names.txt, when troubleshooting, can confuse things (thinking specifically of Genesis and Genesis(Old)). Because I don't run it, it can add an additonal translation layer when trying to get to the bottom of an issue. That isn't to say that I think it's not a worthwhile addition to the platform, but it can make troubleshooting more confusing depending on the situation.

I apologize if that comment offended you as that was certainly not my intention.

[blissful pelican]

I agree that names.txt can make things confusing when people are not fully aware of it and just auto-download it with update_all.

As for feeling offended, I apologize for the outburst, it was unfair to aim that at you and there was indeed a misunderstanding. My frustration is based on the stark limitations of the MiSTer-UI making it difficult to keep a nice and coherent set of names that are not scrolling. I do my best to research what a good name would be - which is a matter of taste, too and can be argued over - and how to keep naming consistent. I look in here on a regular note to find out if there are issues or new cores, because most people do not contact me, I stumble over them when somebody complaints or gets snarky here on the Discord - which happens much more often than any positive remarks of course. So well, that gets quite frustrating at times, but I am glad that Moondandy at least tags me when there is an update needed.

[slow grail]

I'll start tagging you as well. I didn't make the connection that you were the dev on names.txt (or if I had, it had left my brain). I try to be good about tagging folks for that stuff. Apologies again for any misunderstanding my comment, threep - thanks for the work you're doing 🙂

[blissful pelican]

I would appreciate that. No hard feelings, sorry again 🙂

[ocean phoenix]

@blissful pelican tag you’re it!

[empty ivy]

How have I not posted here before.

Anyways, damn, this core absolutely rocks

Been playing SNK vs. Capcom today. Amazing game. My eyes almost popped out cuz the visuals are just so good.

Imagine playing this back in the day ... at home.

So more impressive than the other consoles at the time.

[wary bronze]

History has probably been rewritten, but SNK vs Capcom was largely disliked when it came out. Most of us were disappointed when compared to what Capcom did with their side of the deal. It’s a weird game.

BUT: SNK was almost flat broke at the time, so they did what they could. It eventually found its audience.

[fluid idol]

The garbage bins all over the world!

[slow grail]

It was a pretty broken game when it launched, but I still love it

[fluid idol]

Still broken

[slow grail]

I thought that one of the rom hacks balanced it better

[haughty veldt]

Yeah, I love the game for fun casual matches. But it's pretty broken on a competitive level. The visuals are phenomenal though.

[ocean phoenix]

Why is it broken on a competitive level

[gritty compass]

iirc there are top tiers that are just severely broken

[ocean phoenix]

Tell me then so I can win plz

[haughty veldt]

Athena!

[ocean phoenix]

Ok thanks bro

[gritty compass]

tierlist I found on the super combo page
Top: Geese, Shin Akuma > Zero, Demitri, Orochi Iori
High: Red Arremer, Tessa, Chun-Li > Akuma, Terry > Guile, Kim, Mars People

[haughty veldt]

I have led Robby astray.

[ocean phoenix]

awesome, thanks bro

[ocean phoenix]

It’s ok, it’s not like I’d know any better

Also sorry, I could’ve looked this up myself. I appreciate the responses though.

[quick flame]

Never stumbled across a rom hack for SVC Chaos.

[slow grail]

I have SVC Chaos Plus Hack 1 and Hack 2

[ocean phoenix]

look at him aura farming over here

[fluid idol]

well you are a farmable low level mob

[ocean phoenix]

That was pretty good lol

[fluid idol]

charged up energy from restraining myself in off topic

[quick flame]

I guess those are just former bootlegs with the mid bosses unlocked. But without further balancing tweaks.

[slow grail]

ahh, I thought it was more than that

[uneven vector]

Made by Cat in the Hat?

[heavy hemlock]

I'm trying out the 8Bitdo arcade stick and mapping the buttons. But the B button always is inserting coins and not action button. What's going on?

[timid cobalt]

Do you have it set to xinput mode or switch mode?

[heavy hemlock]

xinput

[timid cobalt]

Weird. I have the same stick and haven't had an issue like that before with neo geo. Might want to reset player assignments and then remap in the core.

[heavy hemlock]

I did it and the same problem

[timid cobalt]

do you have another controller, keyboard, mouse plugged in at all?

have you already plugged/unplugged it?

[heavy hemlock]

Only the stick

[heavy hemlock]

Yes

[slow grail]

Did you map the buttons in the menu before you launched the core?

[ocean phoenix]

It’s an issue local to you

[wary bronze]

+1 to what JesusFish suggested, but also confirm in the core menu that the controller type is set to Joystick.

That one seems to get people

[heavy hemlock]

Its set to joystick

I notice i have the problem in the B button.

Only in neo geo core

[ocean phoenix]

Delete your controller config for the Neo geo core in media/fat/config/input/

[heavy hemlock]

Ill do it that

I was mapping and i noticed lb and b button have the same behaviour

If i put jump en lb, b is jump too

[haughty veldt]

Only thing I can suggest is the usual stuff like making sure you map it in main first (finishing the entire mapping process), and then mapping it in the Neo Geo core afterwards.

Also makes sure you didn't accidentally remap one of those buttons in the replace button option within the core.

[ocean phoenix]

Oh yeah that’s probably it.

[slow grail]

If you are a fan of pain and broken games, the neo geo turbo core has returned and is in the alt core database.

[urban vector]

Cc @blissful pelican , something else for next time names.txt is updated

[ocean phoenix]

Man, it breaks everything but one game, not sure that’s a good idea at all

oh alt core database

I’m going to yell “TOO BAD” at the first person who reports issues with the Neo Geo turbo core

[ocean phoenix]

LOL perfect

[ocean phoenix]

I laughed out loud at that loool

[cinder socket]

Just Metal Slug 1 or all the metal slugs?

[ocean phoenix]

I think 1 and 2?

[cinder socket]

Sick 2 is the only game that needs it. Where is the alt core database?

[ocean phoenix]

It’s in update_all

Press up to access the script options

[cinder socket]

Thank you!

[ocean phoenix]

Please don’t thank me, I appreciate it though.

[slow grail]

metal slug 1 is the only one that runs without glitching

ms2 runs fine, but there are occasional glitches in the big sprites

[ebon depot]

@ocean phoenix I wonder if you could help me I download a ROM set for neo geo but for some reason there isn't an option for loading individual roms it's just load ROM set and when I do that and pick a rom it just takes me to blank white screen 😔

[ocean phoenix]

What menu does it take you to

[ebon depot]

Just the folder of roms

[ocean phoenix]

Like if you back up a folder what is it called?

[ebon depot]

Oh it's just Neo geo full ROM set

Do I have to name it a certain thing?

[ocean phoenix]

Possibly, yes

[cinder socket]

Is the core the same as the one that’s on the analogue pocket open FPGA? That one I find works pretty well

[ebon depot]

Ahh well that's an easy fix at least

[ocean phoenix]

What file format are your games in?

[slow grail]

no idea

[ocean phoenix]

@ebon depot sorry can’t link to that stuff here

[ebon depot]

Oh shit sorry

[ocean phoenix]

But I saw it, I’ll check it out

No problem! Thank you for understanding.

[ebon depot]

Cheers mate appreciate it 🙂

[ocean phoenix]

I am not a Neo Geo guy but the final burn set looks good? Try grabbing a game from the Darksoft set and see if that works.

[waxen nebula]

I have darksoft it works as far as I know unless something changed

[haughty veldt]

Thank you Robby! ||Ha! That'll show him! ||

[ebon depot]

I'll give that look cheers 🍻

[chrome umbra]

Hi all. Just set up my first Mister. I have a NeoGeo big red four slot that I’m planning to put it in.
Wanted to ask if anyone has found a hack to boot directly into a NeoGeo game as I understand the core doesn’t support auto boot natively.

[haughty veldt]

Maybe some MGL shenanigans?

[chrome umbra]

Being very new I have no idea what that is lol.

[haughty veldt]

@ocean phoenix is the resident MGL guru. I don't know if something like that could auto boot though.

[chrome umbra]

If not I can always go NFC but be nice not to have to depend on that.

[ocean phoenix]

Uhhh maybe set this in the ini:
bootcore=neogeo

and name the game you want to auto load “boot.rom”

[chrome umbra]

Yeah doesn’t work. I can boot to the core using the exact core option but the core itself doesn’t seem to look for boot.rom

[ocean phoenix]

Darn

[chrome umbra]

Being in a dedicated cab I don’t really want the machine starting on a text menu.

[ocean phoenix]

Understandable

[chrome umbra]

I can workaround with NFC, either way it’s all fun and very cool.

[robust temple]

Hey Joel, check out the super attract mode script (SAM script), set it to only use neogeo games. Also i made a feature request to the author so you can map a button to "next game", i map that to the next game button on the neogeo and it works a charm

[robust temple]

its like having a multislot neogeo with a slot for every game :). Also the script stops cycling games when you start playing one so it works really well (and it can start cycling them again based on a timer after you stop playing one)

You can get the script to download from the update_all script settings

[ocean phoenix]

@robust temple can you make Super Attract Mode instantly launch on boot up?

[robust temple]

well you can set the timer as low as you want so yes, but i haven't checked in a while as to if the time between games is seperate or not

so the behvious might be that you get the mister menu and 1 second later a neogeo game starts

[ocean phoenix]

If so then that’s a great idea. Might give him what he wants.

[robust temple]

you can see the commands the script sends on the bash prompt so theoretically you could put a simple bash script on the linux part to do it for a certain game, seperate to the SAM script

[robust temple]

i've got it setup like that in a real neogeo also so i can attest it works really well 🙂

[ocean phoenix]

Neo Geo isn’t good

IT’S AMAZING!!!

https://youtu.be/Q_kGJBv6Wr4

[chrome umbra]

This sounds promising @robust temple thanks for the info

[slow grail]

Moving the discussion here (what is left of it). We are thinking about moving the turbo core out of the alt core database. We could put it in the WIP database. We could pin it here (and the forums). We could do both. The thinking is that having any update_all-enjoyer having access to a core that honestly barely works is silly. Especially since the experience is not anywhere near the n64 and PSX turbo cores.

I suspect most folks don’t care - but I also suspect some have strong opinions

[ocean phoenix]

I personally don't want to pin it, I mean if people want it I will, but I don't like directing people to something that's extremely broken. Even if we put up instructions and explanations, people won't read it.

It's a fun little curio that works with one game. If there can be a Turbo core made with more stability then amazing, but promoting a broken build because it somehow makes one game run better isn't a good precedent.

all in my opinion of course, if people disagree or I'm wrong then no problem

[restive mulch]

Strongly agree with robby, don't think cores in that state are a good direction for mister to go in or do the project any favors.

[limber atlas]

I think that core should be removed completely

Not even in a WIP DB.

[slow grail]

https://github.com/ajgowans/alt-cores/pull/5 Too many smarter folks agreeing it was a bad idea

[lucid creek]

https://bsky.app/profile/murdoink.com/post/3lwgewiacvs2v

[robust temple]

its like the power glove but Baaderer

[zinc sandal]

He said the power glove was bad, but he meant good, but it wasn't good, but he acted like it wasn't bad

So I really dunno

[robust temple]

exactly

[full raven]

NEO GEO is as is... the system of power... never will be another NEOGEO... it has slowdowns... but these slowdows are the feeling... NEOGEO, the power of FEELING.

[wintry agate]

Nah, these slowdowns are there because they pushed the hardware too far. Never liked that. The really good coder could deliver amazing results within the limit of the machines.

[austere nymph]

https://fxtwitter.com/Neo_Geo_Forever/status/1959312961136136531?t=vPOjw2N1Hpc7fiNYhznzIg&s=19

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[fresh berry]

Hi! I do not see the H/V adjust option (a very cool option !) in the latest stable NeoGeo core. Has you PR ever went through?

[limber atlas]

I had a convo with Sorg, It got rejected even though the code was fine.

[urban vector]

What was his issue with it?

[fresh berry]

That's a shame, this is a very useful feature....

[limber atlas]

About H/V adjustment: it's applicable only for Arcade and other non-TV cores as they originally have no TV modes originally. For Console cores it's required to make a correct matching to real HW video output.

This is what he wrote

[urban vector]

Are there examples you can show where it is a clear benefit in the core? He maybe doesn't get your usecase.

[abstract birch]

He seems dead set on not acknowledging Neo Geo was an arcade system too

[urban vector]

If someone can provide examples where this is a tangible benefit he may be swayed, he probably doesn't get the valid usecases (which I don't know either to be fair)

[limber atlas]

Trust me I tried

I gave him use cases

[fresh berry]

My CRT does not have a service menu and the output is shifted to the left side for all cores. This option was very good for my use case, even for non-arcade cores. And this is just an option....

[wintry agate]

Then a RGB shifter is your only chance to adjust that.

Or just use crappy composite out, it's mostly spot on for the correct video output. 🤣

[placid whale]

i happened to open my crt yesterday and found a variable resistor on the neck board

figure it’s for manual adjustment of the h position

[reef pendant]

I wrote this on the forum too but maybe here is more traffic ...

Regarding broken Endings on Fatal Fury 3 MVS ( Not CD )

So this is an old topic which even occur on the real cartridges....
Did someone checked if its possible to fix ? It dont happen anytime but today i
cleared FF3 MVS with Terry and after beating Jin Chonshu the game freezes during the dialog....

Tomorrow ill try it on AES

I found something from 2018 someone wrote...maybe this help top fix ?

Quote:
If the game is set on the USA, ASIA or EUROPE bios, the game will reset after defeating Jin Chonrei and you won't get to see the ending, however if the game is set on the JAPAN bios it will work just fine!

[Im using Unibios]

[slow grail]

I just saw that post - has no one really done a fix romhack?

[reef pendant]

I didnt found something in the almighty holy web .. Jesus 🙂

[rain horizon]

It's one of those name your price things tho..it's not free

[topaz holly]

I can only find the beta version. For the full game do I have to buy it?

[native moat]

There is only the beta version

[haughty veldt]

So it's not out yet then? I'm confused! I heard it was hitting tomorrow.

[rain horizon]

It's still beta but it's the full game

[haughty veldt]

It says the files were last updated 63 days ago on the download page. Is that right?

[rain horizon]

Hmm I dunno but I been playing it and it progresses past where the other version stops

There are also demos for bad dudes and in the hunt being worked on for neo geo

[haughty veldt]

So the date on the title screen of my previous build says February 17th 2025. The new build I just downloaded says June 29th 2025.

[willow girder]

Anytime I hear a game is in beta, even if complete, it deters me from seeking it out. I’d rather just wait for the final version but it seems like a lot of newer games are in a perpetual state of beta. Interesting first world conundrum.

[rain horizon]

Everyone praises something that's free..you find out how they really feel when it's not free .lol

[haughty veldt]

It is free though.

They wouldn't dare charge for it when it's someone else's IP.

[plucky gyro]

This is a reason why I find myself perpetually wandering back to retro games: they’re finished. A lot of people seem to like perpetually changing games but I’d rather a game stay the same and then I can change games when I want something new.

There’s enough fomo in the world. I also end up playing games on trains, planes, and in the woods and having offline-only games is becoming rare.

[willow girder]

One of the reasons I’m staying away from Earthion. I want to support Yuzo San but it’s in a sort of unofficial beta.

The Genesis release is much later to work out bugs from the PC, Switch, PS4/5 release

I.e. Beta

[plucky gyro]

Other people seem to like early access and free beta testing is good for small devs.

[willow girder]

Oh for sure!

[plucky gyro]

Big devs need to just pay playtesters and QA folks

[willow girder]

Not me 🙂

[plucky gyro]

Hard same

I play a monthly LAN game of Stellaris with a friend and have been doing so for about 8 years. The game is fundamentally different every few sessions. It’s a running joke at this point but it’s insane to me that they just won’t stop messing with the mechanics of that game.

[willow girder]

Kind of reminds me of Mechwarrior Online. My buddy and I used to play all the time and they were constantly buffing and nerfing various stuff making it hard to run strat week to week.

[plucky gyro]

I get it more for a competitive game I guess, although I think a game like Marvel vs Capcom 2 proves that you can have a complicated game with a shifting meta without making code changes.

From what I understand about that game and the meta shifts a lot of them came out of people telling Justin Wong he wasn’t allowed to use certain characters so he found broken stuff in “bad” characters lol

[chrome umbra]

Finally got my mister into the cabinet. Working great with SAM for attract.

[willow girder]

That looks great!

So using SAM does it boot directly to a Neo Geo game?

[chrome umbra]

Yeah but it has to wait 60 seconds when you first turn the machine on. Sam won’t let you change that. Would be nice to have some screen saver or background rather than the menu at the beginning there.

[reef pendant]

I will forward this until its final version. But one question.
I have the full Neo Geo Collection on my Mister. All are .neo files.
What files should i user from the download link if its final cause there
are noe .neo files ?

[restive mulch]

try using the neobuilder utility from this page: https://stoneagegamer.com/neosd-downloads.html

[ocean phoenix]

Sorry I removed the link to the Double Dragon game. Its legality is questionable but we have zero issues with people saying to go search for Double Dragon One on itch.io

[robust temple]

you could make a script to launch a game right away, i might have a go at one actually as i also have a neogeo cab, if i make one i will share instrucitons here. Did you map the "next game" button?

only reason i haven't done it yet is i've still got a real 4 slot in my main neogeo and haven't got around to properly fixing up my second cab that has a mister in it

i've had grand ideas to pimp a neogeo with a full oled/lcd display inplace of the light up marquee also and have it show an image of what the marquee would but for all games in 1 cab 🙂

Also the script author is pretty open to feature requests, so that's another avenue, i requested the next game button function and he added it - https://github.com/mrchrisster/MiSTer_SAM/issues/225

[ocean phoenix]

lol shit need an itch.io account

[chrome umbra]

Nice. Yeah I have next game mapped. Just grabbed a Mister Pi from the new batch at TU’s site.

[robust temple]

nice, btw from the github readme -
`Usage
Simply wait at the main MiSTer menu for 2 minutes (default setting) without touching the mouse, keyboard, or controller and SAM will start.

Don't want to wait? You can start SAM instantly by launching MiSTer_SAM_on.sh script in your MiSTer's Scripts folder!`

so just have a boot script execute MiSTer_SAM_on.sh on bootup

should remove that 60 second wait time

now which method is the preferred way to auto run a bootup script on the weird mister linux i'm not sure 🙂

[ocean phoenix]

There’s some user startup file

You can have scripts run from there

Media/fat/linux/ I think is the folder

[old horizon]

robby would know because he is mister linux

[ocean phoenix]

It’s true, I use WSL and Debbie Ubintoes

[chrome umbra]

Yes that is what I'd like to work out too

[native moat]

add a line to execute your script to user-startup.sh in /media/fat/linux

[chrome umbra]

Thanks I will give it a try

[ocean phoenix]

Did anyone try Double Dragon One on the core? It got two bug fixes today.

[haughty veldt]

Not today's version yet, but I did play a bit of the previous build.

[green marten]

Yes. Worked well

[reef pendant]

Bought it today on itcho and the ddOne-AES-MVS-Beta2-NeoSD.zip is already in .neo.
This game is so good but tough ... anyone know if there will be a final ... final release ?
Its the full game but demo tagged during the game.

[south cloud]

1994/09/09

[lucid salmon]

11 years ago today

[humble pelican]

It still in beta stage, but it full game

[quick flame]

11?

[ocean phoenix]

yes

[plucky gyro]

I know the Darksoft romset is the set that works but does anyone know what about this set is special? I’d love to do a 1g1r set, my understanding is the Darksoft set has dupes.

But I also don’t know jack about Mame romesets so “go read about it” is a fine response.

[clever osprey]

Neo Geo cartridges typically have P (68000 program), C (graphics), V (ADPCM samples), M (Z80 program) and S (fix layer) roms. MAME rom sets have those separate roms zipped in a file. One of the advantages here is that a different version of the same game shares most of the data. Often the only different files are the P and M roms, which are very small compared to graphics and sample data. So, say a MAME game parent (MVS) is 80MB, it may only need 1MB of extra data for the other version.

The darksoft/neosd roms have everything in a single .neo file and all data is duplicated between the different versions.

Example estimates:
MAME split - kof98.zip contents: 86MB
MAME split - kof98h.zip contents: 1.25MB (yay)
Darksoft - kof98.neo: 88MB
Darksoft - kof98h.neo: 87MB (oh no)

I don't know exactly why the darksoft roms are "special", but I imagine parsing ZIPs comes with some overhead and the .neo files have everything laid out the way the hardware expects. This is much more suitable for a flash cart or FPGA.

[plucky gyro]

Thank you for this detailed explanation!!

The library is small enough where I could probably just dedupe manually.

[ocean phoenix]

I did zips originally and I now have the Darksoft romaet and there’s been no perceivable difference between the two

But the Darksoft rom set lets me manually name the .neo files so it’s much better for me

[reef pendant]

Most Homebrew for NeoGeo SD are. neo ...I love to have the full set in the same way...Just a psychic thing 😉

[placid granite]

if doubling some games at 80mb each is an issue, the issue is you 😉

[reef pendant]

Just a question. Currently im playing all the KoF from 94 to the last....

On KoF 97 and 98 i noticed some issues in the timing... The music was delayed and
the commands doenst work synced... Is this a known issue ? I installed the Januar Version of the core instead of the latest september and this two games worked perfect again.
Issue noticed on NeoGeo_20250909.rbf
No issues with NeoGeo_20250105.rbf

[urban vector]

Oh, good find. Are you able to log an issue for that on GitHub? Sorg or someone may be able to have a look.

[reef pendant]

Well im not sure if its real. I just post issues i noticed but sometimes its just something else as long its not
found by others too. Im sure there is something wrong cause Neo Geo i play the most because i do own a
real Neo Geo too and on the older cores there was no such issues. So if it is ok i will open a ticket and
in case that there is noting wrong with the core ill close it ?

[full raven]

What is exactly the problem? I'll test it later, because I didn't feel nothing bad before.

[reef pendant]

Especialy If you load and start the game for the first time after boot up the mister the music is delayed. And sometimes if the enemy is hitting you and you are hitting back nobody do any damage and this is totally untypical in SNK fighting games. Someones Punch or Kick will strike.

[full raven]

I will test when arriving in home

I remember playing KOF 98 few days ago without problems

I made some tests with real aes

But i will test again

Maybe some RAM issues ?

Music delays and hit desync you said ?

[reef pendant]

yep

[cinder socket]

How long does the desync take to be noticeable because I played for like 10 minutes and it seems fine on 97

[full raven]

Cant see nothing bad

[reef pendant]

The desync audio was just for the first seconds...
I guess to clarify this we need to know the difference between the updated Januar and September releases rbf.
Sometimes shit happens even in games. I just asked because i noticed this in both Games playing one after another

[fading verge]

Just tested 97 and 98, no issues for me. And I play them very frequently so I think I would have noticed if anything was off.

[ocean phoenix]

Maybe a bad rom?

[reef pendant]

No i use the same roms since years....
But i'll close this topic for now. Maybe just a random bad thing.

[ocean phoenix]

I think it’s good

I mean I’m glad you brought it up

[full raven]

Which type of ram are you using?

[reef pendant]

the.neo roms
Whole SNK Collctidonmincluding Homebrew

[limber atlas]

Yeah but what mister ram?

[reef pendant]

ah now i get you.
Its a single ram setup with the purple ram module.
I bought the latest version last year on the ultimate Mister homepage

[crystal ridge]

I use MisterCade in my Neo Geo 4 slot. I wish that someone would develop a way to use the Neo Geo MVS red LED credit board counter with the mister.

[crystal ridge]

I have the same setup, I used to have the white t mold, but everyone told me that it would like better black, so I changed it. On my setup, I have a Neo Geo MVS 1 slot with the Vortex MVS All in One Cart with the MisterCade, using the Unico 26 inch LCD screen. I am hoping someone could make a credit coin counter for the MVS that connects to the mister and I am trying to make it so you can plug in two usb drive into the "Memory Card slot" just in case you wanted to plug in controllers.

[crystal ridge]

Pictures of my Arcade Setup (Both have real hardware and MisterCades)

[soft juniper]

https://github.com/Boomchil/maglord-acfh

[chrome umbra]

Very cool, a big blue is my next target to put alongside my NEO-GEO mister rig too, both machines look fantastic.

[twin forum]

Hi guys, trying to get romhacks of svc chaos working on my mister. Anyone that could help?

[slow grail]

which romhack are you trying?

[twin forum]

Svcsplus

I have the .neo file

Do i maybe need newer versions of the bios?

Like a newer mame release?

[slow grail]

Seems to be ok here. What bios are you using?

[twin forum]

These are neogeo mame files i got from a while ago. Not sure what version now

I just pulled down bios files from the mame 272 set and its missing neo-epo.sp1

What version of bios are you using?

Do you have sha1s for the files you could share?