#SNK Neo Geo

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ocean phoenix
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That was really cool to see. Both Sorg and Paul just go absolute ham on a core.

green marten
plucky stag
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is kof 99ae the only major hack unsupported now?

slow urchin
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@plucky stag do you know what is the difference between kof99ae and Millennium Battle?

patent granite
plucky stag
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there's quite a few. It adds in a groove system ala KOF 98 or capcom vs snk, unlocks all the hidden characters and bosses + balance tweaks, and adds in EX versions of the returning cast based on kof 98

slow urchin
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i just added it to my xml and it booted

plucky stag
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well hey if it works on the new mister update then great

patent granite
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Well, there you go

slow urchin
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        <file name="199-p1.bin"   index="4"/>
        <file name="199-p2.bin"  index="6"/>
        <file name="199-c1.bin"   index="64"/>
        <file name="199-c2.bin"   index="65"/>
        <file name="199-c3.bin"   index="96"/>
        <file name="199-c4.bin"   index="97"/>
        <file name="199-c5.bin"   index="128"/>
        <file name="199-c6.bin"   index="129"/>
        <file name="199-c7.bin"   index="160"/>
        <file name="199-c8.bin"   index="161"/>
        <file name="199-c9.bin"   index="192"/>
        <file name="199-ca.bin" index="193"/>
        <file name="199-cb.bin" index="224"/>
        <file name="199-cc.bin" index="225"/>
        <file name="199-m1.bin"   index="9"/>
        <file name="199-s1.bin"   index="8"/>
        <file name="199-v1.bin"   index="16"/>
        <file name="199-v2.bin"   index="24"/>
        <file name="199-v3.bin"   index="32"/>
        <file name="199-v4.bin"   index="40"/>
    </romset>```
patent granite
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Thank you šŸ™‚

slow urchin
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give it a try

patent granite
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RAM 3, 128. All right

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hm

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Im missing some files

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They must be in the original kof99 zip

patent granite
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kof99ae appears to work flawlessly, from my testing. Latest unstable build. Ill have it and a romsets.xml up on my archive account in a bit.

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And they're up.. wasnt sure how long it was going to hang on the upload page. Never can tell with that website.

limber atlas
slow urchin
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im making sure its the latest rom im using before a pull request

patent granite
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Shame they couldnt add in the Dreamcast exclusive strikers too.

indigo abyss
patent granite
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I think you might be confusing my uploads for something else. Nonetheless, here is a relevant gif:

slow urchin
patent granite
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Ah, a newer version.

slow urchin
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yea but i had to join p2 + p3 roms together

plucky stag
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hey, if it works

patent granite
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Works fine. I'll have it up in a minute with the new xml

plucky stag
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much appreciated

patent granite
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Sorg said he will add it to the official xml.

sonic solstice
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Oh no.

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It works.

ocean phoenix
sonic solstice
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The image for Jockey I have is still giving me fits, but it's cool to know they got added.

placid whale
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is there some trick I'm missing to keep this set to US & CDZ?

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limber atlas
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In the OSD

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Once youā€™ve set it, launch OSD

placid whale
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just giving it a try. osd paused to say saving

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gonna save settings and restart

haughty veldt
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Auto save is always a good option to have active in most (all?) cores.

placid whale
topaz holly
placid whale
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I did have it on before. but switching it off and on again made a difference

placid whale
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oh hang on

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looks like: load game, set bios, save, and repeat is my best path forward.

limber atlas
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Cause each game gets its own save

placid whale
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that's a good reason

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oh.
would that mean each instance of bios and the per game save need me to do any sort of save formating?

limber atlas
placid whale
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update
I fired up Neo Geo Puzzle Bobble ( @green marten mentioned it in a recent video) and after playing the first level of the arcade campaign, i passed the pad to my gf while I made dinner.

she's now being playing it for an hour, I think I found a winner

green marten
dawn pendant
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Its definitely a good one

haughty veldt
fringe ingot
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I have the sudden urge to play also nowā€¦

pure pebble
spiral orbit
austere nymph
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@spiral orbit it is released state since yesterday

spiral orbit
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2nd of August. I've been busy at work, but my 24 days off begin today. So I feel like streaming and playing some Neo Geo CD.
I always have fun when streaming

south cloud
spiral orbit
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Just ordered one

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The core is amazing now, I had a fun couple of hours with it

slow urchin
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where you order that from pixel

forest bloom
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Ali Express is that one

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you can see because its the official Store and thats on Ali Express

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They have allegedly shipped mine already

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although wierdly mine cost Ā£28.91 but in total came out more !

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so someone has ripped me off a few pence šŸ™‚

haughty veldt
fallen beacon
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is that bluetooth or 2.4?

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with the included dongle

spiral orbit
spiral orbit
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But charged 34.xx

spiral orbit
spiral orbit
fallen beacon
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if you use their dongle, that is 2.4 though yeah?

spiral orbit
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Yeah

fallen beacon
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sweet, gonna order one

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oh sweet, spend $50 get $7 off

spiral orbit
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I should have gone for that lol

fallen beacon
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the other controller I was gonna get is OOS

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the white m30 2.4

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oh, the coupon doesn't even apply to that item

spiral orbit
fallen beacon
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im not a big pce fan though, it's sort of foreign to me

austere nymph
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The neogeo CD version of Last Hope is quite impressive. I think above AES version.

spiral orbit
fallen beacon
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by sort of foreign I mean that I am in the USA and had literally never seen one until mister haha

spiral orbit
spiral orbit
fallen beacon
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yeah I was not that savvy, I had a genesis and life was good

austere nymph
full raven
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THE FEEL NEVER ENDS

still gorge
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So can you default Unibios for every game somehow with the new version?

shell bobcat
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Read new roms are now woring on neogeo like kof98 ae etc, Are these rom hacks?

forest bloom
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some of them yes

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some of them no

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Kof98 Ae is hack

shell bobcat
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to name one which isnt a hack?

forest bloom
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well Vliner is an unlicenced game but not a hack of an existing game

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Anything new is either unlicenced or a hack

shell bobcat
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Is the aim to get all hacks running?

limber atlas
shell bobcat
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But hacks have been added to work? Was this a special request?

shell bobcat
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Oh sorry I misread. Some hacks don't work. Apologies.

green marten
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doing a new NG vid...got an exemption error on Pulstar NGCD at 4X speeds, fine at 2X. Just curious if anyone else had seen that

ocean phoenix
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Neo Geo isnā€™t a good console

limber atlas
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Same thing with samurai showdown rpg

patent granite
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I keep forgetting what the differences are with the kof2003ps2 romset. Im guessing gameplay balancing or related adjustments made in the PS2 port?

unreal swallow
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Finally getting around to setting up the NGCD coreā€¦I take it that it supports CHD?

forest bloom
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yes

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remember its in a different directory to the neogeo

unreal swallow
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yeah games/NeoGeo-CD

forest bloom
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update_all with the bios getter will create the correct directory and bios

unreal swallow
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yep i ran update_all and grabbed the biosā€¦also placed romsets.xml in the folder

forest bloom
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dont need romsets in the cd directory

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thats only for the console version

unreal swallow
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ah the instructions on github had the under the CD section, but I guess it only applies to the non-Cd games folder

forest bloom
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well if you open it you will see it has nothing for the CD

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remember some CDs were region locked

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also if it doesnt wotk at 4x step back till it does

unreal swallow
forest bloom
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yes

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also some are copy protected

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so you may need to get the cracked versions

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a certain archive has them all

unreal swallow
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ok gotcha

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I presume that the ā€œcrackedā€ versions available correlate to the games that are protected?

patent granite
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Yes

still gorge
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I was able to play the non cracked versions fine

unreal swallow
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oh interesting

still gorge
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I thought so as well

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I just picked a couple games that were listed under cracked, but I played them from the non cracked folder

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So not very scientific

unreal swallow
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I just compared the lists and grabbed the cracked versions for those games that are cracked and didnā€™t download the encrypted version of those games

patent granite
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Same here, interesting.

still gorge
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Didn't have issues with the couple non cracked I tried

ocean phoenix
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Just wanted to say I appreciate yā€™all for keeping the gifs light on the on-topic channels. Youā€™re awesome! šŸ»

still gorge
patent granite
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Gif flood in 3 2 1

ocean phoenix
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it backfired cringe

shell hazel
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New to the neogeo CD. Can anyone explain the CDZ option? Tried to set it as CDZ but it would not load any games unless I also set the unibios to CDZ. Is this expected behavior?

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Is there any problem if I set it to CD and 4x and toploader in unibios?

still gorge
shell hazel
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The toploader is for the top load CD version. The unibios is specific for CDs.

limber atlas
still gorge
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you can pick top loader in unibios though

limber atlas
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Enable unibios in the OSD

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You can have it 4x most of the time, but sometimes some games donā€™t like that so you need to lower down to maybe 2x (like samurai showdown rpg)

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In the unibios settings you can select between top loader and cdz. Select cdz, but you have to enable AUTOSAVE in the OSD to save the settings in the unibios

willow girder
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Whatā€™s the significance selecting between top loader and CDZ?

still gorge
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CDZ at least hardware wise had a faster drive

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2x maybe?

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but I haven't seen anyone mention if 4x makes it 8x lol

willow girder
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So setting it to CDZ at 2X ensures the best compatibility?

still gorge
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yeah should, although 4x doesn't break many games

shell hazel
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So the CDZ option in the OSD is for stock bios only, not unibios?

still gorge
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I think I have both set

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CDZ in OSD and in unibios

shell hazel
still gorge
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Yeah that's a new behavior you have to set it and save it each time

patent granite
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Just an FYI since I hadnt gotten around to explaining yet

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The KOF98AE/UM issues on the Japan stage are unresolved, because it is an issue with the hack itself, not the core. Not much to be done. This per conversations with Sorg.

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The fact that such a weird emulator centric hack works at all is kind of an oddity really

wooden marlin
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Is there a list of games that aren't working? I can't get standard KOF98 to load at all.

forest bloom
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No games are known to not work

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you also need to define what you mean by standard

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are you meaning a Darksoft Set, A Neo set or a CD. If its CD is it bin/cue or CHD

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Also do you have the correct bioses downloaded

wooden marlin
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The King of Fighters '98 - The Slugfest (Japan) CD. Bios are correct, everything else loads ok. BIN/CUE format

forest bloom
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I run it as a CHD without issue

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CD type was CD

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Bios was Uni Bios

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Even works at 4 X speed

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Is your Set from a Redump Set ?

wooden marlin
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Ripped from the original CD, wonder if that's the issue? Are BIN/CUE or CHD preferred?

forest bloom
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well CHD is easier ti deal with and smaller

haughty veldt
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I've always used CHD and never had issues yet with Neo Geo CD.

forest bloom
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The Redump Sets are known to work

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ripping your own imay or may not work and when it fails its hard to know why

wooden marlin
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Thanks, I'll try to grab a redump CHD set.

forest bloom
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Also home dumped makes it hard to file a bug report because the first thing you will get is does it work with a redump set

limber atlas
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There are always issues with home dumps since there are many factors that can impact if it works or not

wooden marlin
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CHD redump KOF98 works a treat. Ironic that dumping my own discs caused the problem.

haughty veldt
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Haha, glad you figured it out!

south cloud
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Dumping Neo Geo CD games with a standard drive and/or a standard software don't work well.

urban vector
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I know that in order to do a dump that is accepted by redump you need to use one of a few specific drives, which all seem to be old drives from Japan, and follow very strict rules. I think @patent granite knows the ins and outs. Doing it yourself with the drive you have seems like a recipe to get a bad dump. Always best stick with the ones that are certified to work.

zinc rampart
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I've got the whole redump CD setup, it is pain in this day and age to get a working plexxie for it

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a lot of the ceremony and special drives are centered around repeatability and making sure all the error correction in normal drives doesn't mess with the resulting image and therefore hash

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I've had some CDs which on a normal drive dumped fine, but when I went to use my redump setup, suddenly you can see there's sectors that error correction were just zeroing out and creating an imperfect dump

fringe ingot
zinc rampart
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dollars to donuts, if you're ripping a CD specifically, you're probably gonna get a different hash with your run of the mill drive

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other optical media isn't as special, it's specifically the CD family of garbage that needs the blessed plextors

south cloud
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We had the same problem with PC Engine CD-ROMĀ² games.

zinc rampart
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yeah MPF/DIC can handle those well.... if you're using a blessed drive :p

south cloud
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The method is being updated in a near future, with easier dumping programs.

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As far as I've seen.
superg is working on something with redumper.

zinc rampart
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I'm somewhat tuned into the efforts, but yeah there's some people trying out there.

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whatever comes out won't be redump but it'll be something different

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which is fine, redump is kind of running on fumes

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oh yeah redumper is now approved for some discs, but seems it is still suggested to use a blessed drive and generic is best effort

undone spindle
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Is the Neo Geo CD public? I can't find it.

austere nymph
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it is included on neogeo core

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it can do AES, CD and MVS

undone spindle
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Oh ok. I thought so. I wasn't sure. Thank you

haughty veldt
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And CD games go into their own separate folder. Like the TG-16 CD.

undone spindle
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Thank you all

haughty veldt
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Lastly, most games work with 4x CD read speed. But a few don't (like Samurai Shodown RPG). For those games, set it to 2x speed.

austere nymph
green marten
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so damn good

oblique valve
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Has anyone gotten their hands on the 8bitdo controller yet? I've seen a few photos of some popping up on twitter

green marten
ocean phoenix
green marten
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I havent gotten a shipping status yet myself

oblique valve
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Yes

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I've been waiting to order until I see some reviews

patent granite
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These are the Playstation 2 SNK Neo Geo ports with clean 240p video and arranged music/no load times, upgraded Neo Geo games with more content from Taito Type X hardware (480p) and SNK Atomiswave games (480p).

ADK Damashii (Japan)
Art of Fighting Anthology (USA)
Bakumatsu Roman: Gekka no Kenshi 1-2 (Japan)
Fatal Fury Battle Archives 1 & 2 (USA)
King of Fighters 2002 Unlimited Match (Tougeki, Japan)
King of Fighters 94 Rebout (Japan)
King of Fighters 98 Ultimate Match (USA)
King of Fighters XI (Japan)
Metal Slug 6 (Japan)
NeoGeo Battle Coliseum (Japan)
Samurai Shodown 6 (Japan)
The King of Fighters: Nests Hen (NeoGeo Online Collection Vol. 7, Japan)
The King of Fighters: Orochi Hen (NeoGeo Online Collection Vol. 3, Japan)
World Heroes Anthology (USA)

patent granite
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Might need to get the Japanese versions for blood/bounce, but I think that would be my only complaint

hearty pollen
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It's great!

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waxen nebula
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Not gonna lie I kinda want that to play celeste on

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I really like the d/thumbpad thingie the neogeo has

hearty pollen
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I'm famously bad at fighting games, even on a fightstick but I feel semi competent using the dpad on this.

patent granite
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I used a Neo Geo CD pad and PS2 Neo Geo pad for arcade stuff on supergun + pcbs, I liked it a lot

waxen nebula
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God, my brain is like... take this apart use it to make a mini fight stick with

patent granite
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The thumbstick takes a bit of getting used to, I dont like it for fighters but I love it for other kinds of arcade games. Shmups, beat em ups etc

spiral cloak
still gorge
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I really want one but my wife will kill me if I buy another controller at this point lol

fluid idol
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she does not have to know

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you found it under a rock

haughty veldt
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My Neo Geo CD controller hasn't shipped yet. Hopefully soon!

still gorge
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I also don't have money which makes the decision easier

oblique valve
hearty pollen
wind jasper
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Anyone having issues with KoF98 and 99 on CD? Keep getting "Insert CD" message.

haughty veldt
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So I was today years old when I discovered that each character has two secret win taunts in Garou. Pressing left or right and start at the same time right after a KO but before they do their win pose. Mind blown.

patent granite
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Looking forward to some testimonials on the new Neo Geo CD controller

long meteor
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It arrives yesterday, but i really didn't like it. The "D-pad" is terrible for fighting games. A simple dash or run movement it's hard to do. For casual gaming it's ok, but it's not for people who really knows how to play fighting games.

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hearty pollen
still gorge
oblique valve
patent granite
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I dont like the original for fighting games either, I liked it a lot for non fighting game arcade titles though

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One attempt at doing a pretzel for raging storm convinced me it was kinda too awkward for fighting games. But beat em ups, shmups, top down games.. fun fun

long meteor
fringe ingot
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that definitely tracks, I like the pad, but my preferred pad to use for Neo Geo fighting games is still the Saturn pad

patent granite
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Same

haughty veldt
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I always use an arcade stick for fighting games, so I intend to use the 8bitdo pad for other Neo Geo games.

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I have used a similar pad on the Neo Geo X (yes, that crap device). The emulation was horrendous on that thing, but the "stick" on the handheld was a great replica of the Neo Geo CD one.

oblique valve
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I honestly have been using the 8bitdo M30 for Street Fighter 6 and it's been working well; I never expected the neo CD to be good for fighters

plucky stag
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The US one has a ton of slowdown introduced on one of the stages for some reason

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Also the last blade collection for ps2 has the arranged soundtracks too

patent granite
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OK, Ill add those in.

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Thank you

patent granite
plucky stag
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Been a while since I played it but Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s like the other collections, no forced filters

patent granite
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Some do randomly have issues, the Samsho collection has forced 480i and blur filter, it cant be turned off strangely

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I tried hacking the emulator/interface one time since they all use the same one (except for a handful) but didnt have any success

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There is a less well known Sengoku collection for PS2 as well that only came out in France, but the video is completely mangled and awful

plucky stag
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Iā€™m not home but I can probably load it up in the next couple days

patent granite
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A PS2 with 1080p video out and a HDD mod would honestly be pretty nice

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Doesnt seem like PS2 has any good internal HDMI mods sadly

gritty compass
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Thanks for compiling the list btw, I need to sit down and set all those up at some point on my ps2

patent granite
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Thats how I felt about it

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Then I booted it up and uuugh

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There are others I didnt list that just have one problem or another

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But those ones have clean 240p output and arranged music

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Except the ones that are Taito Type X or Atomiswave ports obviously

gritty compass
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Sounds good, I've only ever tried out a few of the PS2 neo geo releases. Mostly just 98UM and Garou, when that was the most accessible way I had to play it on a CRT

patent granite
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I guess this thing is coming out for PS2

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But its software paywalled for 1080p and advanced deinterlacing? O_o

lucid flume
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Welcome to the future.

patent granite
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Oye vey

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For once I cant wait for the cheap chinese knock offs

ocean phoenix
tall pagoda
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time to try this NeoGeo CD madness

patent granite
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#1075091985007902812 message

Could you pin this please @ocean phoenix

ocean phoenix
tepid plank
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are there issues with kof98?

forest bloom
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no

tepid plank
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i run it with cdz,says insert cd

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tryed a few redump images

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always same result

forest bloom
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there is only 1 redump image

tepid plank
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i know,but redump from earlyer dumps

forest bloom
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the latest one all the othere have been replaced

tepid plank
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in the past it just was a bin cue

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now some games have lots of bins and a cue

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so tryed new and older dump

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maybe a setting

forest bloom
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try using CD and unibios

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I use CHD

tepid plank
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yep,gona try that

forest bloom
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so no messing around with lots of files

tepid plank
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just tryed original bios

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for some reason it doesn't work

urban vector
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Are the core and Main up to date? Do you have the correct BIOS files? Do other games work for you?

patent granite
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Do we have the accepted Neo Geo CD BIOS settings pinned yet?

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Maybe with the games that have speed requirement caveats listed too

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Looks like we do

tepid plank
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yep,latest core,bios from update all and main MISTer also

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runned update all an hour ago

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so i suspect its upto date then

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other games run fine

forest bloom
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it will be the image then as KOF98 and its hacks load for me

urban vector
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How much RAM do you have? Probably not the issue but worth checking

forest bloom
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and in general you start at 4x and then step backwards until it works

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dont assume 4X will work for all

tepid plank
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hmm,got it working with a chd,strange

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maybe to much bin files

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i have 256mb

forest bloom
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Dual Ram has no advantage for Neo Geo

tepid plank
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it has nothing todo with the ram,its probably the image

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ram problems probably all games gives problems

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but it works now with chd

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i don't care if it works with chd or bin cue

urban vector
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I don't know about the CD part, but some AES/MVS require 128mb, but is not the issue here anyway

tepid plank
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its just strange not with bin cue

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or the load times

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but tryed also x1 and cd

robust ivy
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Just put two chd format Neo Geo CD ROMs on my SD card. The 4x load speed option rocks

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Ironclad ran super well, very happy to try it finally

compact rain
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2 more days

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until... clicky

unreal swallow
placid whale
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"why couldn't it have 6 face buttons" I scream into the uncaring void

south cloud
placid whale
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hadn't seen a wii version before

south cloud
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I have 4 of them at home.
Bought brand new when I lived in Japan (early 2010s).

I keep 2 of them unmodded (for the Wii system), and 2 other without the extra buttons + 3D printed covers + Raphnet adapter (for the MiSTer).

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They are a little bit lighter than an original and no cracked ball even after the years.

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The micro switches are identical from an original, but I'm not pro player.

patent granite
# placid whale

I had one of these, seemed pretty comparable to the neo geo cd pads I had at the time as well.

nocturne storm
south cloud
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Nice!
I didn't wanted to change the buttons colors personally.

ocean phoenix
south cloud
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That could be worse. šŸ˜

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ocean phoenix
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lol Iā€™m kidding, Iā€™m sure the newer controllers are way better than the cracked balltops I got up there

patent granite
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Anybody have thoughts on the old jellybean sticks for Neo Geo?

patent granite
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I had 2 when I had an AES in the 00s. I thought they were allright, but the small base wasnt great

haughty veldt
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I have the stick that came with the Neo Geo X. Feels like a cheap replica, but I haven't used an original Neo Geo stick, so no idea.

fallen beacon
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well I sure am glad I "release day pre ordered" my 8bitdo neogeo pad...

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ocean phoenix
haughty veldt
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This is what mine says

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spiral orbit
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You guys made me check mine. I guess I should be getting mine soon too

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zinc rampart
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I got mine earlier this week. If you've ever used the original ones it feels exactly the same

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for better or worse

spiral orbit
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Never touched an original

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This one is the cherry popper

ocean phoenix
placid whale
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as long as your username or channel name doesn't begin with retro; we're good.

elfin mica
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I updated using update-all now non of my Neo Geo games work. I just get a blue screen any time I try to load up a rom set. Any suggestions?

limber atlas
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.neo or darksoft?

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Is your mister main updated?

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Do you have bios?

elfin mica
limber atlas
elfin mica
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Maybe so šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

limber atlas
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You have to verify that they are darksoft

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Or just use the .neo files

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You can find them in htgdb pack in a certain archive website

gritty compass
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If the roms were working before it'd be weird for them all to break, maybe it's a bios thing?

limber atlas
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@elfin mica what you could do is to enable bios getter in update_all to fetch the bios that you need

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I can see on your picture that you donā€™t have all bios files required

elfin mica
spiral orbit
haughty veldt
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I should create a channel called Polygon Raspberry Samurai. It's a completely original name that is not inspired by anything at all I swear!

spiral orbit
wind jasper
tepid plank
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Its strange,for others it works

still gorge
lofty marten
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Watch this and be glad the ngcd core exists ..

patent granite
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4X loading is the game changer that system needed

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Hope the SSRPG translation comes out soon :)

swift solstice
full raven
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Nio jio see dee zet

haughty veldt
lofty marten
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It also benefits people who want to collect the consoles and the games by decreasing demand for OG hardware

haughty veldt
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Pretty much. It's honestly crazy just how much of an improvement it is with loading. I don't know if I'll ever play the AES/MVS version of Neo Turf Masters ever again.

still gorge
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So 8bitdo Neo Geo controller confirmed to work in all three modes?

nocturne storm
still gorge
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I know but just checking šŸ™‚

nocturne storm
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we should make a list of what does not work. way shorter and easier.

still gorge
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also a good idea

gritty compass
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For whatever reason I have to change the drive to open for games to load. I mean it works fine but, not sure why it doesn't detect anything when the drive is set to closed

spiral cloak
full raven
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I had a neogeo cdz 20 yrs ago

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It was an improvement, but not enough for massive games

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At this moment... thinking in cold...

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Is better to invest in a MiSTer FPGA than in a teal AES and CS systems.

nocturne storm
nocturne storm
green marten
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Controllers arrived. 2x. Will tear one down tomorrow on camera for a Friday video. First impressions; high quality plastics, buttons feel nice, shoulders feel ā€œdecentā€, micro switches are appropriately clicky

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Seems to flow smoothly from single N/S/E/W switches to corners activating two switches at once

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Plastics on the thumb stick are a bit slippery to me. Almost like it needs more texture. Might be a good candidate for a bit of roughing up with sandpaper

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Will put it through its paces tomorrow on Neo Geo / other arcade cores on MiSTer and via Windows MAME / FB Neo emulation to see how it works on PC

fringe ingot
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Funnily enough the surface of the stick is way rougher than my old CD pad, which has become shiny with age and use

green marten
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Iā€™m not even going to bother to compare it to a real CD pad. Things have two decades plus of use on them. Effectively impossible to compare the button feel to a new in box recreation

fringe ingot
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Yeah, canā€™t really account for age unfortunately

green marten
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Exactly. Plus Iā€™ve repaired my cd pads. Not even all OG parts any more

fringe ingot
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I posted some small clips comparing to mine at least: #controllers message

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The main difference I would say is the looseness of the new pad in neutral (I wouldā€™ve the expected the old pad to be looser due to age)

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And the yeah the motion seems more square in the new pad

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Still really like it though, itā€™s a great pad

patent granite
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I've decided to get either an original Neo Geo CD pad, or the PS2 digital version. I had both years ago and remember them being comparable, so I guess its just a matter of how many buttons I want.

green marten
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Tear down should be fun. Hope I donā€™t break it. Hence why I bought two lol

fringe ingot
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Nice, keen to hear your thoughts in more detail šŸ˜„

fringe ingot
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Maybe the PS2 version is better in that regard, I donā€™t know

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My CD pad still works at least, but for how long who knowsā€¦

green marten
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And it doesnā€™t feel the same

patent granite
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May as well get the PS2 one I guess. Since its digital only Id imagine it would work with a daemonbite PSX adapter

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Oh NM, there isnt one of those adapters actually being sold anywhere

fringe ingot
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Raphnet would be the one to get for now, or wait for MisterAddons Reflex adaptor

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If you donā€™t want to go the DIY route

patent granite
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Raphnet is 4ms, in theory thats worse but honestly I dont know if I would ever notice it

placid whale
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@green marten would you consider getting one of these
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404252865902?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=25rG0iA5TfS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=U6sKym6HSWC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

eBay
PS3 Versus Controller For PlayStation 3 Black Gamepad NBB884 Very G...

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for the sake of comparison

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it might just be the dark horse winner of any comparison between all the neogeo controllers

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I'm quite the fan

green marten
patent granite
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Sure is cheaper than any of the Neo Geo CD pad solutions

placid whale
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and the face buttons are microswitched!

soft juniper
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Mine ended up delayed as well and I ordered from Amazon as soon as I saw the news.

Benefit is (assuming neobt adapters are ever available) it is still cheaper than getting an original.

abstract birch
abstract birch
little cosmos
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My cheap pdp controllers are the only thing holding me back from dropping $40 on the neo geo controller, would love to see someone do a comparison. They feel pretty nice and they have the 6 button layout.

dawn pendant
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I own the NGM controllers, PS3 PDP VS, and as of today the new 8bitdo Neo Geo pads. Of the three, I prefer the 8bitdo ones, but the PS3 PDP VS is still a really great option.

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As far as how they compare to an original Neo Geo CD pad, I have no idea. Never seen/used one of those before

abstract birch
little cosmos
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Thanks, Iā€™m sure Iā€™m going to pick one up eventually, but itā€™s nice to know what to expect. I should probably pick up more of the pdp pads at some point too.

haughty veldt
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Dang it Amazon, why you not ship my controller yet?

spiral orbit
green marten
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@fringe ingot finished my testing and tear down. 10/10 IMO. Great for NG / NGCD, loved it on Esp ra de and Pro Gear. Hate it for Capcom fighters but thats due to the shoulder buttons and no fault of the pad

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only issue is the shoulder button internal construction. On a floating PCB bare wired to the board and pushing the button you can see it moving. I have suspicions that will be a weak point in the future. Super easy to reflow the solder but its not exactly SOLID in there

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stick does wiggle a bit more than a real pad but I have zero issues with it

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construction of the plastics is high quality. Button molds are thick and sturdy. Good membranes. Excellent response. Pulling off specials in MotW and Matrimelee no issue and got through the first levels of Esp Ra De and Pro Gear no deaths on hard. If it can do that...I am sold

fringe ingot
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Nice, yeah I quite like it for shooters also. Totally agree itā€™s a fantastic controller

haughty veldt
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Thanks for the analysis! Can't wait for mine to arrive. Now if only Amazon would ship it...

full raven
elfin mica
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I figured out my issue with the newest core. The update overwrote my romsets.xml and I was using a gog specific one.

green marten
forest bloom
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disappointed no lets listen to the clicky joystick for 30 seconds in this video. I thought the 30 secs of listening to music was your trademark!

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its also 8bit DO ! not 8bitDOE !

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Now I will have to destroy that Prototype M2 with every M2 game !

green marten
green marten
forest bloom
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or American President spelling Potatoe !

green marten
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you leave Dan Quayle out of this!

forest bloom
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Does that piece of Paper in your wooden Joystick Say help I am a prisoner ina joystick factory

green marten
forest bloom
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no its a shopping list or a plea for rescue

green marten
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rescue me from myself lol

forest bloom
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At least you cleaned your nails

green marten
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you get my nails how you get them. A lot of times its because I am soldering / cleaning boards along with the vids

forest bloom
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well mine is in the Netherlands for some reason its taken a 4 day Holiday there before travelling to the UK

ocean phoenix
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LMAO holy shit I love snarky @forest bloom. I mean helpful Tim is pretty good too but snarky Tim is like 10/10 comedy.

green marten
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because someone has

ocean phoenix
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like, seriouslyā€¦?

forest bloom
green marten
ocean phoenix
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the hell is wrong with people

green marten
patent granite
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Put yourself out there and the death threats are inevitable it seems

ocean phoenix
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I donā€™t understand how you can be angry with random strangers over the most insignificant thing.

patent granite
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Too much free time, or mental issues I guess

green marten
patent granite
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Im feeling a little more confident about the stick quality after that video

green marten
patent granite
green marten
patent granite
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The luddite in me wants a thicker USBC cable to go from it to my MiSTer potentially though lol

haughty veldt
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Awbacon's next video is going to be clicky stick ASMR. chefkiss

patent granite
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Weird that KOF 97 variants were chosen for the alt designs. I wonder if that was for the Chinese market

modern vine
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Blazing Star isā€¦tough

limber atlas
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Good music in that game

modern vine
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Yeah, love the graphics too.

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Does anyone who plays a lot of fighters like the new 8bitdo pad? Is that stick good for fighting?

modern vine
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Also, does anyone know what the standard button layout was for the different MVS types?

fringe ingot
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I have the new 8bitdo pad, and the OG CD pad, but I kind of prefer the Saturn pad for fighters

still gorge
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then a few people that are like "this controller is great for fighting games!" lol

haughty veldt
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I personally think they're good for fighters as long as they're not 6 button layout. The stick works great in my experience.

fringe ingot
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It for sure works well, itā€™s just not my preference over a Saturn pad

patent granite
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Theres always the PS2 digital Neo Geo pad and a raphnet (or hand built) daemonbite USB adapter if you think $80 for one to get 6 face buttons is worth it I guess

haughty veldt
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I usually use an arcade stick regardless, but I can see using it for SNK fighters every now and then. I personally plan on using it for shmups a lot.

fringe ingot
patent granite
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Ive decided to get one of the 8bitdo ones, and run it wired to MiSTer with a thicker USBC to A cable to keep my luddite complaints from springing up

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Oh wait, there hasnt been any lag testing yet has there

ocean phoenix
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lag is the testing we found along the way, think about it

patent granite
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I will not think about your nothingburger

still gorge
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8bitdo lag is like a box of chocolates

Sometimes you get nuts, sometimes you get some weird chemical and sometimes those shitty peanut brittle covered in tar ones

patent granite
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Sounds like a good reason to wait

modern vine
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I've already got a stick and I like those for shooters so wasn't planning on picking the controller up but wanted to hear how it was.

last mist
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I need to find a better NGCD set. Have a ton still not loading correctly

cobalt stratus
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Has anyone ever had audio issues with Zed Blade/Operation Ragnarok? I asked about this in a few of the relevant places a couple of years ago and was generally met with bafflement and suspicion (largely as nobody else had mentioned it), but the title screen music can burst in during the stages, seemingly at random. It has done this for me across multiple builds of the core and still does it on some of the latest unstable ones. Could it be something specific to my Mister? (The construction isn't unusual - DE10 Nano, analog I/O board, USB hub, etc)

Thanks!

limber atlas
cobalt stratus
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Yeah, with the latest official build from about 3 weeks ago, as well as with a few unstables. I haven't seen it on the main release yet, but as I don't know what the conditions are I can't try to replicate it. It just seems to happen whenever

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I'll keep playing it on the official release though!

limber atlas
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The core has been rewritten to be synchronous now with many fixes by Sorg and Paulb-nl

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It would be good if you try with the latest release and see if you could perhaps recreate it

cobalt stratus
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By main release I just meant the latest release on Sorgelig's github (as opposed to the unstable ones I frequently test out). I'll keep using it and see what happens. I'm mostly just interested to see if anyone else has seen or heard about the issue. It's quite frequent for me but doesn't seem to affect anyone else, thus far

cobalt stratus
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Sorry, just for clarity I'm currently testing this on the latest Mister build as well as the latest Neo build. All good so far!

haughty veldt
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Amazon still hasn't shipped my 8bitdo Neo Geo CD controller! Why have you foresaken me Amazon!? waaaaah

green marten
limber atlas
soft juniper
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Mine are supposedly arriving today by 10, and I ordered super early. Granted, they donā€™t even list as shipped so I bet they are going to be delayed again.

forest bloom
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Mine came today and has joined the Pile of Controllers I probably wont get around to unwrapping

soft juniper
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hah, Amazon just sent me ā€œyour order is delayed, do you still want it?ā€ email

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love it

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for a ā€œrelease day preorderā€ you would think they could at least throw something in for how abysmal this is

forest bloom
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|Phone up and complain

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keep complaining long enough and you will get a discount

soft juniper
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meh, I donā€™t care that much. Just a bit frustrated

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be nice to use with the neo core, but I still need some neobts to get back in stock before I really get upset

haughty veldt
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I placed my preorder on the day they went up on Amazon. Me no happy!

forest bloom
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I got mine directly from the Ali Express 8BitDo Store

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if it hadnt taken a 4 day Holiday in the Netherlands I could have had it at the weekend

grim lodge
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can NGCD games be zipped or do they need to be in directories unzipped?

haughty veldt
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Just use CHD format and put them in folders.

grim lodge
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all I can find is bin & cue, is CHD something else?

lucid flume
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yes. You can convert them from bin/cue to chd, or find the CHD set that is out there. CHD is losslessly compressed audio in flac format. Saves about 50% size.

gritty compass
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Chdman is the tool you want I believe, or just search for "neo geo CD chd" in the usual places

soft juniper
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yeah, ali express orders were arriving early, which is a bit of extra salt

grim lodge
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thanks guys

ocean phoenix
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sorry you said salt and I finally had my chance to use that sticker

soft juniper
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haha

ocean phoenix
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Iā€™m also annoyed that Amazon canā€™t ship them lol

last mist
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I would like to ask if anyone has found an actual 1G1R set there for NGCD that works. Not asking for sets, just want to know if there is one that has successfully worked. Tried a few but all have things that dont work.

languid quarry
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Which doesnā€™t work?

last mist
# languid quarry Which doesnā€™t work?

I do have replacements that work. It had a 13XXXX set that had issues with many images. Multiple KOF's ,AFO3, Sam's ETC. Then found another set that had issues with others. šŸ˜¦ - That being said, I was just curious if a true set that works with MiSTer was out there.

languid quarry
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You tried the chd set?

last mist
languid quarry
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I tried a bunch of chd set snd they seem to work. I forgot which 13xx I tried but Iā€™ll look again

last mist
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Just polishing it up so I can have it ready for my new 8bitdo controller šŸ™‚

last mist
languid quarry
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I didnā€™t even know there was a 1g1r of ngcd

last mist
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I try to grab those when possible. Maybe we can make it a Kubbie MiSTer Exclusive! šŸ˜‰

languid quarry
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Lol Iā€™d be honored

grim lodge
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NGCD has much wider variety of game genres than NG, I'm really enjoying the library

full raven
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Neogeo compact disk has feeling

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It has extreme feeling

patent granite
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Decided to get the "premium" option for Neo Geo pads

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Daemonbite digital PSX adapter will be used

haughty veldt
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Damn you Amazon.

cobalt stratus
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I will use it precisely once and go back to a stick, but I like the idea of being able to use it on so many consoles with low-lag adapter options etc

fringe ingot
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Kind of tempted to get one just to complete the unholy trinity of CD pads

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Yes Iā€™m ignoring the Neo Geo Mini pad that they completely bungled the stick on

cobalt stratus
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Heh, how were those actually constructed? I know they've never seen a microswitch in their lives but what do they have instead? A cheap, flat analog stick?

fringe ingot
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Iirc yep, just a cheap analog stick

cobalt stratus
thorn forge
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good lord those prices

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fringe ingot
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Yeahā€¦maybe I wonā€™t do that after allā€¦

placid whale
fringe ingot
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Yeah Iā€™ve used proxies to buy from Yahoo Auctions before, the prices on some things can still be a bit silly though

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Depends what you want

placid whale
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got some links for you

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if you wanted to go a little wild and still beat western prices by a considerable margin

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could even keep all the controllers and sell the hardware

thorn forge
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are the japan prices different because they just sold more and thus have more in circulation?

fringe ingot
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Maybe my search terms are bad, but the prices Iā€™m seeing for those on YA are still bananas

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Not that I was probably going to get one anyway, but looking is fun

thorn forge
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digital window shopping

zinc rampart
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even on mercari the sold prices are kind of variable but not cheap

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I guess less bonkers than what's currently on YAJ, yikes

placid whale
patent granite
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My wallet cries, my heart sings

cobalt stratus
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That NGCD and controller bundle is going for the price of a single pad over here. I can't afford it, but I feel like I shouldn't let it slip away

subtle lodge
zinc rampart
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it comes with it's own dongle

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also it works with the MiSTer, I've got one

subtle lodge
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oh yeah? well hellz why buy off the 3rd party market?! 8bitdo rules

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i guess unless you're a purest or something

zinc rampart
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we don't have lag test results yet last time I checked

fringe ingot
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We do actually, itā€™s up on the spreadsheet

zinc rampart
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but I've been playing neogeo games with mine just fine

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oh we do? nice

subtle lodge
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@zinc rampart have you tried their arcade controller?

zinc rampart
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no, I don't have that one

subtle lodge
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been debating between it and a mayflash

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price is fairly similar

zinc rampart
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these aren't bad numbers, but looks like I should be playing with the 2.4ghz dangle instead of wired

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subtle lodge
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what're your goto games on neogeo?

fringe ingot
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But Iā€™ve been using it 2.4ghz anyway so not a huge deal

zinc rampart
subtle lodge
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ah i see, i figured with you looking at lag so closely you were playing more of the fighting games

fringe ingot
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Puzzle Bobble

zinc rampart
fringe ingot
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Switch controllers maybe? They all are slower wired than wireless

zinc rampart
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ah yeah maybe

zinc rampart
subtle lodge
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nothing wrong with staying informed ;)

fringe ingot
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it's also the principal of it, controllers should be such simple devices in theory, especially when wired, ie just connect a circuit and maybe latch the state, they really shouldn't have like >10ms lag or whatever

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it just seems negligent

subtle lodge
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i don't hang out here often, but I have a sudden sense of feeling like I'm with my people now, thanks for that lol

craggy stag
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They should of put ngc together. Worked on both so it loads both.
Like the GB core. Loads both.
Whatever will put it in eventually.
NG is in. What is important.

zinc rampart
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neogeo cd and neogeo are in the same core

thorn forge
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I think you just put CD games in its own folder

haughty veldt
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Yeah, Neo Geo CD is handled the same way Turbografx CD games are. All in one core, but a separate folder for the CD games.

last mist
zinc rampart
nocturne storm
patent granite
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:(

heady fractal
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What Seimitsu joysticks were most prevalent on the Japanese cabinets? LS-32?

cobalt stratus
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Yeah, that's the one

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They're definitely great all-rounders too - I love 'em for shmups and fighting games

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Sorry, I was thinking of candy cabs in general - I think the LS-40 was more common in Neo cabs

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Quick Google suggests so!

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Apart from when I was a child visiting UK seasides I haven't played on an official Neo cab, just candies with MVS or CMVS hardware in 'em, and auto game-switching buttons etc

heady fractal
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Yes, the LS-40 is what I came upon as well.

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Supposedly they were a lot better when they came with Panasonic switches.

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They seem to be discontinued now, so it is what it is. Guess I might try them anyway (or perhaps the LSQ-40).

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It's not like I have any experience in the arcade, so I've got no frame of reference for me to say that something isn't right because the actuation doesn't feel like how it was in the good old days.

cobalt stratus
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Oh for sure, there are plenty of great sticks that can get the job done, and the differences between the Seimitsu models aren't vast enough to disqualify any of them. If you like the 32 you'll be fine with any of the others (although in my experience the 56 can come with a very heavy-gauge spring. My current one is fine, however...)

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And certainly any modern home arcade stick is very different from what you would have got with an AES, heh. I enjoy using both period-accurate controllers and more modern fare - experimenting with different setups for different games is all part of the fun!

haughty veldt
#

So I noticed that if I ordered one of the Neo Geo CD controllers from Amazon now, it would ship and arrive by tomorrow. Even though my existing order, that I preordered almost two months ago from Amazon, isn't scheduled to arrive until August 30th. So I just canceled that one, and placed a new order. The new order is scheduled to arrive by 11am tomorrow already. Because Amazon gonna Amazon. weow

patent granite
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My blasphemy pad has not yet shipped from Japan

soft juniper
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Mine came in earlier today via UPS

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And of course all my free time from earlier in the week has evaporated

abstract birch
patent granite
nocturne storm
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they are beautiful and feel extremely good to use. with the dongle there isn't any noticeable latency at all.

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patent granite
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Those are the non blasphemy usb controllers though, I was asking about latency on the ps3 usb blasphemy controller

cobalt stratus
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hang on, if the PS2 pad is blasphemy surely these are deicide...

patent granite
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Doesnt seem to be on pork's lag measurement site

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I havent checked prices on the ps3 ones either though

cobalt stratus
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I imagine they're even more expensive than the PS2 version, if only because I've never seen one available

patent granite
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I cant even find one for sale, they must be unicorns

cobalt stratus
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yeah, I've only ever heard people commenting on how rare they are - nobody has one to say much about the things themselves :p

abstract birch
abstract birch
patent granite
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Oof

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Ill stick with my blasphemy PS2 version lol

cobalt stratus
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Hail Satan

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(Mine isn't here yet, alas)

patent granite
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Mine needs to ship from Japan still

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Oh wait it shipped, yay

cobalt stratus
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I still don't understand why it's blasphemous - the 6-button fightpad layout? Those are pretty trad, just not Neo

patent granite
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No idea lol, because Neogeo666 says so i guess

cobalt stratus
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Good enough for me

fluid idol
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neogeo fanboys having opinions on input devices?

patent granite
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batty no know. batty only pawn in game of life.

haughty veldt
#

My controller finally arrived! Huzzah!

cobalt stratus
patent granite
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Eyyyy

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What USB adapter you using?

cobalt stratus
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I'll try it on the PS2 first but I have a couple from years ago. One is this, which is apparently really good:
https://www.play-asia.com/pc-joybox-3in1/13/701hv

Playasia
PC Joybox 3in1 for Windows

PC Joybox 3in1 for WindowsPC Joybox 3in1 ConverterUse PSā„¢/PS2ā„¢ Pads on your PCUse Dreamcastā„¢ Pads on your PCUse Saturnā„¢ Pads on your PCCompatible with Windows XP, 2000, 98 and 95Connects through the PC USB portWith the PC Magic Box you can use your favourite PlayStation, PlayStation2, Dreamcast or Saturn controller on your PC. Play PC games with...

patent granite
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Oh cool, does it have a lag rating?

cobalt stratus
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The other is this delightfully spartan thing which will either be the best or the worst ever

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Sorry, didn't realise it was dusty

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I haven't seen a lag rating for it, but I used it for years in the 2000s without issue, and I've since seen a few shmup heads talking it up. I guess I'll just have to try it!

patent granite
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Interesting

cobalt stratus
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If they're both bad I'll see if Brook do a good one (I have their UFB and Retro boards but I can't remember all the converters...)

patent granite
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Blasphemy ftw

cobalt stratus
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I wish there was a lag testing program for pc that just had you tap a button and went "ayup, 3 frames"

patent granite
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I think the lag measurements are taken on an average, pork would have to explain

cobalt stratus
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yeah I bet

patent granite
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I called in a favor to have a daemonbite PSX digital adapter built so I wont be up and running nearly as quick

cobalt stratus
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Sounds amazing, will those be on general sale at any point?

patent granite
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The commit is in mickguyvers github but not pushed, we will see what happens lol

cobalt stratus
haughty veldt
#

Tested my Neo Geo CD controller. Good stuff so far. Did a play through of Blazing Star and a bit of Pulstar.

icy panther
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Lets play Neo Geo Again šŸ„µ

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cobalt stratus
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@patent granite I've only had time for 10 mins on Pulstar today but my completely unscientific vibes-based analysis is that the cheap-looking CONVERTER is essentially lagless. I'm playing on CRT and the response feels as good as when I'm using a stick with the Brook UFB installed.

You're going to adore the pad, BTW. This one's in barely-used condition so the switches feel brand new, but I imagine it's just as nice when they're slightly more broken in, too

patent granite
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I am excite

cobalt stratus
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I was expecting the engage and throw distances to be huge (which would have been fine) but it feels surprisingly tight and immediate

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The face buttons are noticeably smaller and in the PS colour scheme, which is perhaps blasphemous

cobalt stratus
#

The 8bitdo one is available in the UK again at Ā£30, so I may get one - it was the extra Ā£25 in shipping costs that initially made me cancel

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BTW, my memory card on Mister seems to require formatting every time I play, and the core isn't saving my system type choices and bios settings any more. What have I messed up?

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Nor the CD region and speed settings etc

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It can save my position in a game for the duration of the session, but I only play single-credit runs - I want it to save scores, really

nocturne storm
cobalt stratus
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Sorry, yeah, my shipping window is 8th - 29th Sep, but I can wait tbh

nocturne storm
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No need to apologise, I wouldnā€™t have known they were up at all if you hadnā€™t mentioned it!

cobalt stratus
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Hehe, also Amazon.com weren't necessarily going to get it here any quicker, so the higher shipping costs wouldn't have been worth it

nocturne storm
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I just snagged one with a tribute64 controller too, will be fun to try them out. My GF canā€™t stand the micro switch clicking on arcade sticks, sheā€™s going to absolutely loathe listening to me play on this too!

cobalt stratus
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Haha, I've actually just thrown a silent Qanba lever into one of my sticks to reduce the noise at night. Now it's as quiet as a pad, although it feels a little mushier than any arcade-standard stick

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The pad's switches aren't very loud, but anyone trying to sleep in the same room might disagree

gleaming night
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hello, qq: was the core tested with a SMB share? the neo geo one is the only one that wouldn't work for me and it works fine if I'm using sdcard/usb?

fallen beacon
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core works fine via SMB

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it's slow the first time you try to pull up the list, but it works.

gleaming night
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Thanks, will check that everything is set correctly from my side.

flat shard
fallen beacon
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neo geo required a weird permission or setting on my NAS if I recall correctly

fringe ingot
#

I can give it a try in a bit, I too have all of my Neo GeoCD images on my NAS and working at least

fallen beacon
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#mister-debug message

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Allow using open file handles that can withstand short disconnections. Support for POSIX byte-range locks in Samba is also disabled. This option is not recommended when configuring multi-protocol or local access to files.

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for some reason the NeoGeo core triggers this and I spent a lot of time way back when trying to figure out wtf happened

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#mister-debug message starts here actually

flat shard
fallen beacon
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short lived reads, but perhaps different NAS vendors have different terms. Either way, the two links above oughta help

flat shard
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Yeah, I made a bug report on it

fallen beacon
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in which repo, main mister or neogeo?

flat shard
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But it could not be reproduced and Sorg said SMB was not officially supported so it got dropped

fallen beacon
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oh haha

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that uh, doesn't surprise me

flat shard
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neogeo, I thinkm, it was about a year or 2 ago

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But

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The curious thing was, it was only when I mounted the SMB share as a share containing the "games" folder

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and only for NeoGeo

fallen beacon
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yeah, my issue ONLY affected NeoGeo

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everything else worked fine

flat shard
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it I renamed the folder on the SMB share to "games-lan" the problem does not occur, which is how I still have it today

fallen beacon
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oh

flat shard
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yeah, me too

fallen beacon
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bizarre

flat shard
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Indeed

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Every other core worked fine, no issues at all, just the NeoGeo core had problems. eventhough the folder contents was identical to the /media/fat/games folder

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But then again, Furrtek never really bothered to iron out bugs on this core. Thankfully others like Sorgelig and paulb-nl recently ironed out a lot of bugs

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Don't get me wrong though Furrtek is an amazing wizard, godlike decapping and demystifying chips etc.

fringe ingot
fallen beacon
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Core or Scale?

fringe ingot
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core

fallen beacon
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I am on scale, but I don't recall if I was on core or scale yet last year when I posted

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here are all of my share parameters

image.png
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wide links and symlinks you can ignore, I use that because my mister share is just all symlinks to other places

fringe ingot
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yeah, was about to ask what your other options look like, mine are the same

fallen beacon
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strict sync = no gives like a 5x network improvement in speed

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especially in cores like ao486

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that is a write speed thing though, not read

fringe ingot
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yeah, I don't have that, maybe I should, but doesn't sound like it will help in this case

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I wonder if it's really just a network and/or disk speed issue...

fallen beacon
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literally every other core worked over SMB except neogeo

fringe ingot
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yeah this is the first time I've hit an issue - not that it's a big deal, I have my Neo Geo games on the SD card normally anyway, it's really only large disk images that I was hosting on my NAS

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but that's really strange

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I think you were right as well, it's an issue with loading the bios from the share, not the games themselves - if I load the game from the SD card but the bios from the share still the same problem

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I have a branch of MiSTer main that will let me test the reverse, bios on SD and game on share, willing to bet it will work fine that way

fallen beacon
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yes, it was a bios loading thing

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try toggling and untoggling the durable handles setting

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maybe it just needs to be set again and have SMB restarted

fringe ingot
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no dice, even after restarting the SMB service

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whoah ok the neo geo has its own special file loading code, very cool

abstract birch
#

I'm wondering if we could ever get link cable support for riding hero, league bowling, and thrash rally. Would be kinda neat to hook up two MiSTers....

ocean phoenix
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It's fun playing the Neo Geo CD core with 8BitDo's new controller

patent granite
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Robby has joined the thumbstick gang

ocean phoenix
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not as cool as yours but I'm ok with plebe casual controller!

patent granite
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Mine wont be here for like, a week or two and then wizzo has to build the daemonbite adapter and ship that from also across the pacific so Ill be the last horse crossing the finish line

fringe ingot
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doh, @fallen beacon, false alarm:
FileOpenEx(open) File:/media/fat/cifs/games/NEOGEO/000-lo.lo, error: No such file or directory.

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even though I could swear I copied the entire directory, it somehow missed that file

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so it turns out that no, I could never repro the issue

fallen beacon
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Hahaha

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Thatā€™ll do it too

haughty veldt
still gorge
patent granite
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Nor do I because Im not a weenie. Im a hot dog who ordered the expensive premium version

haughty veldt
haughty veldt
still gorge
gritty compass
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I literally bought one yesterday and it showed up today. Feels really good so far

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Now I can get angry at my terrible neo turf masters skills in style

haughty veldt
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Anyone who doesn't love Neo Turf Masters simply hasn't played it. Greatest golf game ever!

gritty compass
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It's funny, absolutely hate golf in real life but give me Neo Turf Masters or Mario Golf and I get obsessed lol

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So much fun to play

haughty veldt
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Watching golf is also boring as all hell. But yeah, a good golf game is just pure addiction.

cobalt stratus
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Dull sports have had a good run in video games. Fisherman's Bait 2 is very dear to my heart

still gorge
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I wish I was good enough to hit the pin lol

green laurel
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I cannot get the latest Neo Geo/Neo CD core to see the my Neo Geo CD games. Is there something I can check for?

ocean phoenix
green laurel
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They are

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I have them on sub folders in the NeoGeo-CD folder on my hard drive

ocean phoenix
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Oh, damn. Thatā€™s about all my knowledge then. Sorry Iā€™m not able to help.

green laurel
fringe ingot
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ah, the old case-sensitive file system gotcha

ocean phoenix
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You figured it out though, all credit to you!

green laurel
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@ocean phoenix thank you. I can't believe it was so simple

haughty veldt
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Robby accidentally helping someone? Classic Robby!

patent granite
modest kernel
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I'm guessing it only works with the PSX core

patent granite
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Depends on how you interface it

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With SNAC, certainly

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Over a USB adapter, it works with whatever core you wish

abstract birch
patent granite
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The switches are all in good condition, the buttons as well, it seems like it was treated well before coming to me. Im waiting on my USB adapter for MiSTer use

full raven
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I like this pad Batty

patent granite
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I think Ill like it for non fighting arcade cores, I used Neo Geo CD pads with my supergun years ago so its a familiar feel

ocean phoenix
cobalt stratus
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for me at least

patent granite
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Excellent. Im looking forward to getting my usb adapter and joining the fun

haughty veldt
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Did a round of CD Neo Turf Masters tonight. Just the USA course. Got first place. Good times.

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ā›³

ocean phoenix
willow girder
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Iā€™m not the biggest fan of that new NG padā€™s D-pad. Thereā€™s a bit more travel and resistance before it actuates compared to an original pad. It causes the thumb stick to slip a little. Itā€™s reviewing favorably with everyone though so maybe I got a crap one? I like the stick on the PDP Versus much better in this regard.

haughty veldt
still gorge
still gorge
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I get ridiculously last lol

haughty veldt
# still gorge Damn I love that game but I suck so hard

Keep at it! You'll improve with time. But yeah, even having a bad round is still fun in Neo Turf Masters. Arguably the best golf game ever made. Only other one I had nearly as much fun with in the past was Mario Golf on the N64.

still gorge
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Mario golf for Gamecube is my favorite

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Does anybody else have one trigger that kind of clicks louder than the other?

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Or did I goof it up when I reassembled

fringe ingot
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I could swear my up trigger sounded slightly different out of the box, otherwise not noticeably, no

still gorge
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Up trigger?

fringe ingot
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oh sorry somehow my brain swapped switch and trigger there, even as I typed it myself lol

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um, no in that case, they sound the same on both sides

still gorge
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Dang

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Guess I need to take it apart again lol

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They seemed like there wasn't much room for stuff to shift so not sure why one would sound different

nocturne storm
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I am just throwing this in the room. Is ot me or does it look that jotego is delaying the NG Pocket core on purpose? I smell some agreement with analogue on this....

haughty veldt
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I suppose anything is possible, but I honestly doubt that's the case. Jotego just seems to jump around a lot between cores in development.

limber atlas
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He has a developer fixing bugs

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You can track them here

nocturne storm
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We will see. If it launches the beta after of at the same time as the cartridge adapters it would be pretty obvious.

still gorge
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I mean, all his cores are like that

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theyre WIP for forever cause he has like 12 projects going concurrently

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Is there any way to play Neo Turf Masters online multiplayer, besides Retroarch? Obviously not on MiSTer

patent granite
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Fightcade

still gorge
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oh?

patent granite
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Pretty good way to play a lot of arcade and console games online multiplayer

still gorge
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dang I need to snag that, for PC I assume?

patent granite
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Yes

still gorge
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yaaay thank you šŸ™‚

soft juniper
shell bobcat
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Are most of the ngcd games identical to the aes version? Or do all cd versions have superior sound. I'm trying to avoid doubling up on games if there is no benefit from a CD version.

limber atlas
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NGCD Exclusive Games: (with some having AES/MVS conversions)
-ADK World / ADK Special
-Crossed Swords 2
-Ironclad / Chotetsu Bri'kinger
-King of Fighters '96 Collection
-Mahjong Final Romance 2
-Neo Geo CD Special
-Samurai Shodown RPG
-Zintrick / Oshidashi Zentrix

NGCD Exclusive Content:

shell bobcat
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Thank you most helpful.

nocturne storm
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hey quick question for the metal slug games i noticed the blood comes up white so i'm guessing they're censored, is there a way to change the region for the neo geo so it shows up japan and brings it back to the normal red color?

still gorge
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Yeah with unibios there's a button combo at boot I think

nocturne storm
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aaaaah yes thats what i wanted - i knew there was a way thank you!

still gorge
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No problem

nocturne storm
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the white blood breaks my immersion ICANT

zinc kite
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anyone have a save file for neo turf masters CD with the scotland course unlocked?

still gorge
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you can just use the cheat menu

gritty compass
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To access Scotland, on the course select screen input 41236 D (half circle from left to right, then D). or you can do the cheat too

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lol I kind of forget the unibios has cheats built in, I'll have to remember that next time I boot it up

haughty veldt
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It doesn't save it unlocked does it? I unlocked it previously, and it seems you have to re-unlock it every time you boot the game.

zinc kite
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yeah apparently the normal way to unlock is to beat one of the extra modes, like 4 different challenges in it. forget which one

still gorge
#

I just used a cheat

zinc kite
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I downloaded a modified sram file here and it doesnt seem to be the same type that mister uses: https://www.arcade-projects.com/threads/neo-turf-masters-cd-scotland-unlock-patch.17334/

Arcade-Projects Forums
Neo Turf Masters CD - Scotland Unlock Patch

Hey everyone,

Ever find the Scotland unlock code on Neo Turf Masters (Neo Geo CD version) annoying to trigger, or are you forgetful like I am and can never remember the (easy) code?

Well, I took some time to make a patch so Scotland is unlocked by default!

No longer do you have to beat all...

zinc kite
sonic solstice
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JFC that's a nasty course.... I love it. I just played a few holes (well, the same two twice because I kept bogying them).

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Just gonna make this my profile pic....

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zinc kite
limber atlas
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@full raven could you please verify ninja commando? There are flickering and tearing which I havenā€™t seen before

haughty veldt
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I love that Neo Turf Masters has a nice following here. Such an amazing game.

lucid flume
#

It has such a nice presentation and charm while still being a fast and fun golf game. It's a masterpiece.

still gorge
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I like how it lures you in then it's hard as balls and makes you rage

haughty veldt
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And it has such great rage visuals for the characters!

lucid flume
full raven
limber atlas
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Just generally

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Flickering everywhere

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Noticeable in first stage

full raven
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is it...

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like the scenario and the sprite flicker ?

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real hardware has these issues

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but

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i don't know if they are worst in Mister

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I think I tested that and they behave same in AES

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but

limber atlas
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Yeah but I feel like itā€™s more on mister

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Dunno

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I donā€™t have real hardware

last mist
#

Check this video as they are playing on OG Hardware

limber atlas
last mist
limber atlas
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Yeah the visual glitches are there

cobalt stratus
#

Do you folks rate the Neo Geo: A Visual History book? I'm trying to ascertain if it's purely a wikipedia-level coffee table thing or if I'll actually learn something

ocean phoenix
limber atlas
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Is it possible to generate mdfourier result from the neo geo core already?

wary bronze
cobalt stratus
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Cheers! I figured as much - will probably pick a copy up soon šŸ™‚

urban vector
limber atlas
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Great

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If someone has equipment, please generate

full raven
#

there are consoles with high psg, others have it lower

urban vector
#

I know Artemio was needing time to run it on more of his systems and was hoping to get more recordings of NGCD units, but that shouldn't stop getting reference from MiSTer if anyone is able to do them, so they are there to compare to.

haughty veldt
#

Did a play through of Aero Fighters 2 tonight. First half of the game is oddly easy, then the difficulty ramps up to insane levels in the last few stages. Bullets are flying so fast that it's really hard to react to them at the speed your aircraft flys at. Still a fun time at least. And who can't resist playling as a dolphin!?

zinc kite
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can anyone help me with instructions to unlock the scotland course in neo turf masters using the unibios cheats menu?

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I activate the cheat in there and the same four courses as normal show up.

haughty veldt
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I've never tried with the cheat menu before. But the normal code for it always works for me. Half circle from left to right on the course select screen.

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Sadly, it doesn't save it as unlocked, so you have to redo it every time.

zinc kite
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yeah i got it with the code but would like an easier way if possible for folks to access it for the next game challenge

haughty veldt
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Makes sense. I'll see if I can figure it out.

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Also, that is an amazing and sadistic challenge!

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@zinc kite I figured it out. Once you have the Scotland cheat activated in the unibios. On the course selection screen, just press the D button.

zinc kite
haughty veldt
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I couldn't even google that one! Had to actually just test various ways it could work. šŸ˜…

zinc kite
lucid flume
high meteor
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Hi, I canā€™t get .Neo roms to boot, I keep getting a black screen after the loading bar

worldly spoke
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read the pins and the github, but still confused. should I put the NeoGeo-CD ROMs in /games/NEOGEO or /games/NeoGeo-CD ?

zinc rampart
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games/NeoGeo-CD

wary bronze
high meteor
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Yeah, roms packed into .Neo from the darksoft set

urban vector
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Have you run update all and grabbed the BIOS files or have you put them in manually?

high meteor
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Manual I think

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wary bronze
# high meteor Manual I think

There's the issue. Your bios files have additional characters after the extension. Remove the -MVS_BIOS and the -AES_BIOS from those two files. Screenshot attached of my working bios set.

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high meteor
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I was missing the uni bios too! Thanks

wary bronze
#

You're welcome!

high meteor
#

Hell yeah. I got the 8bitdo pad and Iā€™m playing on a 55ā€ Samsung thatā€™s fast and bright enough to get away with CRT filters so this is gonna rule

haughty veldt
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Come on peeps! We need more masochists to take on Scotland in Neo Turf Masters CD for the game-challenge!

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ā›³

sonic solstice
#

It's a Casablanca convention.... so many Bogeys.

wary bronze
patent granite
#

"The problems of 2 discord users don't mean a hill of beans in this world.."

brave bramble
#

i dont know how to search in this channel because its like a thread in discord but, is there working chd support for the neogeo CD core?
I also dont find the info in the github of the Core, so no idea how the status is šŸ™‚

zinc rampart
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yup chd works

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all my neo cd is in chd, works fine.

ocean phoenix
#

Yah same

brave bramble
ocean phoenix
#

LOL what

still gorge
patent granite
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Only I get hugs from Robby

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Get back in your box

haughty veldt
limber atlas
#

Someone has reported this to me:

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Hey. donā€™t know if this one has ever been mentioned but playing matrimelee last night and noticed small horizontal glitches on the screen on the below stage, they seem to also extend out beyond the screen too. Jump around a bit and you are bound to see them.

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I noticed something similar on shock troopers too, will get a screen shot and the stage name where I saw it later.

ocean phoenix
#

Does that happen on original hardware?

full raven
#

Need to check later

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Legit aes / mvs version ot bootle version?

limber atlas
#

Dunno what version

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I have asked them

limber atlas
#

Got this

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In both aes and mvs modes. See it in the upper half of other stages too, like in the shop around the ā€œsaleā€ signs. The flickering is pretty persistent but too quick for me to capture an image of.

limber atlas
#

In the 3rd stage of the valley route of shock troopers you see horizontal lines flickering on the left side as the screen scrolls up. Donā€™t see it in MAME but still need to look up real hardware footage.

plucky stag
#

Played some KOF 99ae yesterday with folks, what a great and wild hack

patent granite
#

@twilit sphinx has been kindly teaching me some tricks for doing CDDA track replacement hacks, so I hope to finish this one within a week or two.

still gorge
#

Remind me what arranged means?

patent granite
#

For video game soundtracks it often means an arrangement of the original OST with better instruments. Maybe like "full CD soundtrack"

still gorge
#

Oh okay

limber atlas
patent granite
patent granite
#

All done :)

limber atlas
patent granite
#

I cant link to ROMs here, but there is a link to my archive account in my Discord profile that will take you to it.

limber atlas
#

Alright

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Thanks

spice walrus
#

Hi, is it normal for the "King of Fighters 2004 EX Ultra Plus (hack) (kf2k3upl)" hack to give a "exception error handling" error on launch?

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King of Fighters 2004 EX Hero (hack) (kf2k3pl) gives me a black screen when I try to launch it as well

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these files are from the "@MiSTer Pack Add-on - NEOGEO 2020-05-12" pack

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I was about to try the "Darksoft Neo Geo 2023-03-28" pack and convert that to .neo format and see if that changes anything or not but I wasnt sure if this was expected behavior or not (actually I dont think this hack is in this pack...)

full raven
#

Toya

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you said something about matrimelee the other day

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the glitches are in the transitions ?

nocturne storm
full raven
#

which bacgrounds ?

nocturne storm
#

Jump around a bit and you will see white dots flickering in and out by the sale signs. Then on that particular variant of the big screen with the girl on the computer you will see flickering in the screen and upper parts of the stage as you play. Itā€™s like a small horizontal band of pixels that flicker off and on.

full raven
#

need to test in the real neogeo

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I'll try to do this afternoon

nocturne storm
snow plume
#

It probably happens on real hardware

nocturne storm
full raven
#

Going to test matrimelee

full raven
limber atlas
#

Great šŸ™‚

full raven
#

Confirmed