SNK Neo Geo

[full raven]

but it has its own customs

same hardware, but different customs

[patent granite]

I'd like to know this too, I think mine are setup incorrectly

[craggy stag]

The neogeo pocket core being worked on.
Will it have NGP color as well. Or will that be the next step eventually.
I just play it on higan for now. They really should put more cores on that. needs demanding pc because it's accuracy.

[patent granite]

JT said he would add in color sooner or later on twitter

[patent granite]

Gee I wonder why

[sonic solstice]

SamSho RPG is getting pretty close to a translation, right? I think I saw a late June update that it was sort of in the polishing stages.

[earnest crescent]

I got curious about this, too, so I looked at the source for the MiSTer binary. Based on what I'm seeing in https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/support/neogeo/neogeo_loader.cpp, it looks like it's:

Universe BIOS: uni-bioscd.rom
NeoGeo CD: top-sp1.bin
NeoGeo CDZ: neocd.bin

[lucid cape]

Not sure but efforts have been started and abandoned multiple times

It’s also on PS1 and Saturn

There are 5 exclusive NGCD games:
ADK World
Crossed Swords II
Iron Clad
NEO Geo CD Special
ZinTrick

[patent granite]

There is KOF96 Neo Geo Collection as well

Though I guess it isnt a game

[lucid cape]

It kind of counts

[earnest crescent]

Ironclad is sort of a weird case. It never got a real cart release, but the data from the MVS version was released via a Wii Virtual Console release.

[lucid cape]

There’s no 100% definition for exclusive

Yeah that came up when I tweeted the exclusive list and was the impetuous for another “what defines exclusive” tweet

[sonic solstice]

Yeah, I know it's blown up a few times. This is the last post I saw from the dev.

[lucid cape]

I’ve changed my mind to Virtual Console releases not counting against exclusives unless they themselves are unique games

[sonic solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/trick-football-kick-gif-15778185

Me RN

[full raven]

Niojio sidi

I like the system

I suffered and enjoyed in its time

[sonic solstice]

Same. I donated mine to a collector a few years back though (the controllers needed microswitch replacements and I didn't want to...I'd have no issue now, but back then I didn't have the space or the skills). This is truly a great way to relive it with a few QoL improvements in addition.

[lucid cape]

The controllers seem overhyped to me

The PDP fight pad for PS3 and X360 feel superior to me

[placid whale]

best $10 controller I've ever used

[shy bane]

In his latest update he projects end of summer. It’s very close yes

https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=36697.100

[sonic solstice]

Yeah, that's the exact page where I got the screencap I posted. It's really promising.

[mighty scaffold]

https://twitter.com/furrtek/status/1675978685893996545

[spiral orbit]

I'm so looking forward to this.

[gritty yoke]

This new cd core can run the cartridge games? I cant :/

[sonic solstice]

Yeah, it's loading either for me.

You're using the July 03 build that just came down today? Not the NeoCD core, right?

[gritty yoke]

yeap

[sonic solstice]

Hmmm. Not sure then. I just loaded a few CD games at 4x and a few cart games and it was seemless.

When you choose 'load rom set' does it show your games? What happens after that?

[gritty yoke]

cant see the games

only empty folders

[sonic solstice]

Hmmm. What format are yours in? I'm using .neo.

[fluid cosmos]

Does the CD-Rom support CHD format?

[sonic solstice]

Yes, I'm using all CHD

[urban vector]

Long shot, but anyone tried the unlicensed carts that didn't work before on the core like Jockey Grand Proxy and V-Liner in the new CD core?

[lucid cape]

I would never intentionally play Jockey Grand Prix haha

[gritty yoke]

all folders, no extension files

it was working before :/

years this way

[sonic solstice]

Did your xml file get stomped somehow?

The file list rom collections require an XML still, right?

[sonic solstice]

No love.

[urban vector]

Oh, that's a new error

[sonic solstice]

I just used neosdconv on the mame file, so it could be on my end.

[urban vector]

I will give them a try tomorrow if I get the time, am hoping that Paul decides to add support for the last few unlicensed titles that don't work, as looks like it may be pretty trivial for him to do so

[full raven]

I could play neoturf cart in the core

I use darksoft romset

[sonic solstice]

Games like XenoCrisis and the conversion of Crossed Swords work fine for me.

But yeah, no love on those other two.

[full raven]

Which games are not working?

Jockey and VLiner?

They didnt before

They dont work in NEOSD too.

They are not... how to say... rellevant ... nobody would play them... but if they work anyday, will be good.

[sonic solstice]

Yeah, it was just messing around with the new core. Nobody expected them to work.

However bah is experiencing an issue where NO cart games load on the new core. But the few of us who've tried are unable to repro.

[shy bane]

I had this same issue. Had to delete the NeoGeo.cfg file in the Config folder

Evidently the revised core isn't compatible with a previously saved config

[gritty yoke]

It doesnt work either

:/

[shy bane]

😦

[urban vector]

I raised tickets for the games that don't play, that do in MAME, with some info on what the "mapper" needs to get them running in the core

[naive orchid]

So, I updated the core. Cartridge games seem to still work just fine but none of my CD games boot.

UPDATE: Purged my BIOS and XMLs, ran update all again, things work now

[sonic solstice]

All the XML jank makes me wonder if there's ever going to be a JSON reckoning on Pocket. I love JSON but XML schema update hell has given me minor PTSD for that sort of thing.

[modern ravine]

All I gotta say is.... amazing. Baseball Stars 2 (multitrack WAVs) took 15 min to load. God damn accurate, like loading my scratched up Baseball Stars 2 on my model 1 CD. Differnece is that it actually loads on the core.

[late elm]

@naive orchid - Please remind me where the BIOS and XML files are located.

Nevermind. I copied my .chd files to the wrong directory. Putting them in the correct place really helps. 🙂

[full raven]

the problem with KOF 94 is BACK !

[patent granite]

Which problem?

[full raven]

that one that makes the game has flickering and artifacts

random

it happened cores before

[patent granite]

Oh, interesting. I still havent figured out which combination of options works to make 4X work with the unibios

[full raven]

4x worked for me all the time

just samurai rpg fails

[patent granite]

Are you using CD or CDZ bios?

[full raven]

ahh, the unstable from yesterday don't have the problem with kof 94

ok ok

cdz plus normal bios

still has, but less... anyway

the asynchronous things of evertytime

the unibios I don't use usually

not in aes mvs mode too

[limber atlas]

gyurco seems to develop a synchronous version of the neo geo core for mist

[full raven]

hope it can be ported to MiSTer

I tested its core in my MiSTica

very excelsius

[limber atlas]

Is it good?

[full raven]

very good

[hearty pollen]

I updated today and everything seems to be working well however just a question. X4 speed, the progress bar chips along until the last 20% or so of the load then it's slow as molasses. This normal behaviour?

[limber atlas]

He seems to also working on getting CD into his core

[full raven]

toaster use CDZ mode for speed upgrade

[limber atlas]

Based on what paulb-nl has implemented

[hearty pollen]

I'll have another look at it later, I only took a quick look at it to test it was functional. Need to get my Neo Turf Masters on!

[full raven]

MiST deserves a NEOGEO CD core

yes, confirmed

Gyurco is porting CD to MiST

what a great news

what the lol ?

🤣

[distant frost]

Doesn't appear so. I am trying to find a full archive of bin/cue files.

[patent granite]

Seems to support them fine to me, boots up all the ones I've tried

[south cloud]

I've tested launching the whole set on CHD format, no problem on that side.

[humble pelican]

Dont know this is bug or what, cdz with unibios, need to open the cd lid to make it work

[fluid cosmos]

For me also with original bios

[nocturne storm]

so does it mean that if i have 1x on the CDZ it's the double speed drive?
or do i have to manually put it into 2x for the CDZ version to work as intended?
or does CDZ + 2x mean 4x the loading speed of the OG NG CD?

[zenith sedge]

first time trying the neo geo CDs - I had to collection ready to go for ages already

[zenith sedge]

Top Players Golf has the same sound as HAL Lab's hole in one 😄

[unreal jacinth]

I had trouble trying to load kof 98 and kof 99 on a bin/cue roms.

It works on a chd rom though

[copper gull]

With me it worked just by selecting cdz in the unibios menu

[still gorge]

So is this still the best combo to get 4x speed and maximum compatibility?

[shy bane]

Really? I love Hole in One Golf

[patent granite]

I've only had luck with this method so far.

[still gorge]

Just gotta track down decrypted games then

[patent granite]

PM

[snow plume]

In what folder do CHDs go?

[patent granite]

This was my solution

Core seems to be fine with them being in there, loads them up no issue

[cosmic vault]

Hey guys I've just update my mister with the update all script cause I read from a facebook post that the neo geo cd is out I've downloaded some CHD games in order to test them but when I select one then my crt tv stays black does anyone know how can I fix that ?

[snow plume]

Thanks a lot!

I see some "Cracked" CHDs. Are they required?

[cosmic vault]

I have these 2 files name of compressed file is "neocdz.zip" do I need to rename them ? and also where exactly do I need to place them ?

[patent granite]

Mine are named those and are working.

[cosmic vault]

In which directory do you have those files ?

[patent granite]

They go in the root of the NeoGeo folder with the other BIOS files.

[runic spindle]

well......... thats sad

so probably shelf this core and check back in a month. in the meantime im grabbing some cracked chds. since the bin cue ive had on launchbox for ages probably wont work

[patent granite]

https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/NeoGeo_MiSTer/releases/download/unstable-builds/NeoGeo_unstable_20230703_17a41d.rbf

Just FTP/SCP in and drop the core file in the appropriate spot, not hard.

[runic spindle]

if it gets updated in the future i have to remember to remove it right? not teh end of the world

[patent granite]

Right

Oh, cool. I didnt know it hit update all yet.

🙂

[runic spindle]

lol

i have way more regular chds than what is available in this copy protec set

its just not going to work with the other ones right

[patent granite]

Maybe not all the games had copy protection

https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=Copy_protection

Looks like only the listed games here have it

[cosmic vault]

Can I name this whatever i want or does it need to be as it is ?

[runic spindle]

oh great. so the ~30 or so in this set are the ones that needed the patching.

[patent granite]

archive has what I believe to be a full set of cracked CHDs for those games, obv I cant link it

[runic spindle]

yeah thats what im grabbing now

the torrent was ripping. but now its stalled at 50%

lol

this dumb hobby

[patent granite]

you shouldnt need that actually, I was mistaken about it not being on the release through update all

[snow plume]

Ok. Will grab both cracked and vanilla CHDs then

[cosmic vault]

That's what I was telling all of you but I was being just ignored

[patent granite]

I only now just wandered in and found out so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cosmic vault]

Even though I'm not able to make it run a game

:'v

My screen is in black whenever I select a CHD game

in the Neo geo core

[patent granite]

My core is set to this and runs games:

System Type: Console(AES)
CD Type: CDZ
BIOS: Original
CD Speed: 4X
CD Region: JP (Try changing this)
CD Lid: Closed

[snow plume]

Did you put every CHD in its separate folder? That’s mandatory.

[patent granite]

Mine are all in the same folder _Neo Geo CD under NeoGeo and run fine.

[sonic solstice]

Mine are all in one folder and work fine.

[cosmic vault]

I have this in my main micro sd for the mister fpga

But I doesn't work

Any idea ?

[sonic solstice]

Roms have to be in a folder.

[patent granite]

Place those in the NeoGeo folder under games

[sonic solstice]

So you need all of the pieces of that game in a folder.

[cosmic vault]

I have the roms in the games/NEOGEO/ directory

[sonic solstice]

Or switch to .neo

[patent granite]

Those BIOS files also need to be in games/NeoGeo

[cosmic vault]

However my external HDD games/NEOGEO folder has this files is something wrong with my set up ?

Is it wrong to have duplicated bios in the micro sd and the external hdd maybe ?

just saying

[sonic solstice]

Do XML romset games require specific pathing? I switched to neoSD a long time ago. It's just easier.

Having it in both places should be unnecessary, yeah.

I'm using network though, not HDD.

[patent granite]

Same

[coral granite]

Turbo core with CD support. Turbo ON seems to break CD so this is only for cart Metal Slug, but its nice if you don't want two Neo cores on your mister

[sonic solstice]

Dunno if it matters, by the case on my games path is NeoGeo, not NEOGEO.

[patent granite]

Why thank you 🙂

[sonic solstice]

Looking at the XML file that comes with a romset, I'm wondering if the folder matching the rom name has to be in the NeoGeo root.

Try dragging a game up to /games/NeoGeo/<whatevergamefolder> and see if that single one loads.

[cosmic vault]

Still does not work for me :'v

[cosmic vault]

No I didn't yes you are write I'm gonna make batch script inmeditaly to fix that

[cosmic vault]

Bro that actually did the trick THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!!!

I'm gonna share my batch file so you can sort your CHD files in each folder with it's own name

There you have it :v

I faced the exact same problem with ps1 chd last year , sometimes we forget so simple steps maybe it would be a nice idea in mister to have some sort of script that tells the end user that the chd game files are not separated in it's own folder then the core it's not gonna work

[pallid dagger]

Anyone else notice that changing the CD speed to anything other than 1x causes subsequent loads to be slower? I'm using .CHD files btw

[cosmic vault]

Where can I find that game with the multitrack version ? I've test the original game and is doesn't took 15 min i would like to test games that are notorius for loading times (never had or see a NeoGeo CD irl)

[runic spindle]

alright im going to copy everything over and give it a try. gonna take a while since i have to switch to wifi but i'll let you guys know how it goes. thanks for the help and thanks for helping bonedicoot since i would have probably had those troubles anyway

[south cloud]

Try the two Last Blade games, so. Loading simulators by themselves.

[south cloud]

Only with the normal CD BIOS, should be okay with a CDZ one.

[pallid dagger]

Ah thank you!

[dawn pendant]

In case any other noobs like me are having trouble getting games to load, don’t forget to try changing the region.

😁

[inland drum]

Had issues with kof95. Loading was slow even by neogeo cd standards.indeed probably 10 mins or so. I then moved to my pc and checked back later and it actually made it to the title screen. But then the game got stuck when I started it. . Tried the patched version but same behaviour. Will mess around with the bios files…cart gaming still worked fine. Also will check if the games are in individual folders….

[cosmic vault]

I like the CDZ and original bios boot but why it can't run some games ?

Does anyone know what is neo geo cd cracked games ?

[south cloud]

For the CDZ one ?

[cosmic vault]

CDZ with original bios configuration

[south cloud]

Okay, I could explain you a little bit.
On most recent games on the system, two kinds of copy protection were introduced.

The original CD BIOS can't detect backups/burned discs from originals.

But the CDZ have some routines which check the size of a specific file.
On burned discs and ISOs, that file doesn't have the correct size and the system refuses to boot the game.

SNK toughen up the copy protection system later on (when they saw the first protection removed easily), with some in-game protections which check some specific ASM codes and if the game is a copy, the system locks up with DISC I/O ERROR 3.

The core reacts exactly the same (and the SDLoader from Furrtek also), you need copy protections to be removed/patched (and in-game protection for some games too).

[pallid dagger]

Got the 4x working with Unibios CD v3.3 and setting the CD Type to "CD" in the MiSTer menu

Also for anyone wanting to use USB storage with CHD files, just make a dir called "NeoGeo-CD" in the root of the USB drive and put your .chd files and bios etc, there.
In the /fat/_Console dir add a NeoGeo-CD.mgl file and put this into it:
<mistergamedescription>
<rbf>_Console/NeoGeo</rbf>
<setname>NeoGeo-CD</setname>
</mistergamedescription>

It'll put a new "NeoGeo-CD" core in the Consoles listings that points to the USB drive.
I don't need container dirs for each .chd

[south cloud]

I've done a NGCD folder with the same idea (MGL).

[cosmic vault]

Thank you very much for taking the time to explain me this kind of things It would be nice if in the official github this would be explained so end users who never had a neo geo cd or do not know differences between models (like me) could learn

[cosmic vault]

btw so I guess the CDZ bios is from a different neo geo cd model right ? how many models were produced ?

[south cloud]

The CDZ version is a third revision of the console.

The original system had two revisions : one with a front loader, and one with a top loader.

[cosmic vault]

third ?

[south cloud]

The CDZ version came later in SNK history, with a better CD cache and a 2x CD drive.

The two earlier versions came with a 1x CD drive.

[cosmic vault]

oh didn't know that good to know hehehe

[south cloud]

That's why the CDZ version is faster for loading games.

[cosmic vault]

So for CDZ I will need the copy protection cracked version of those specific games that won't run on the CDZ boot bios options I get it

[south cloud]

I'm not a Neo Geo expert, by I think maybe inside the original CD BIOS something could restrain the CD drive and maybe that's why the BIOS is blocking around 87-88% when loading games (it wasn't engineered to have a faster CD drive and should expect only 1x speed), but the CDZ revision isn't affected by that restriction.

[south cloud]

Correct.

[cosmic vault]

At first I though that maybe some games won't booting cause the neo geo cd core wasn't polished enough but know everything is very clear to me now cause your explanation

Thanks again !

[ocean phoenix]

This core doesn’t auto load a sole CHD that’s in a folder.

[cosmic vault]

One last question Zet do you know by chance why if I choose:

• CD Type: CDZ
• BIOS: UniBIOS

It won't run any game ?

But it has to be set no matter what like this:

• CD Type: CDZ
• BIOS: Original

In order to make the core run like a CDZ machine ?

[south cloud]

I've not tested (extensively) with a CDZ UniBIOS.
But I've read earlier today that someone could load a game with the Lid option set to : Open.
Maybe a bug somewhere inside the code.

I can't test it right now.

[cosmic vault]

Oh I see so indeed it seems like a bug but... why would someone would like to emulate the lid to open ?

[south cloud]

Someone crazy enough. 😁

[cosmic vault]

:v

[ocean phoenix]

Because you can do that on the original hardware

[cosmic vault]

Yes I know but... with what purpose I mean at least in Ps1 you need to swap CDs but I guess in Neo Geo CD that need doesn't even exist

[ocean phoenix]

no idea, only the core developer knows

[south cloud]

The advantage of the UniBIOS goes to the copy-protection removed on the fly.
But, I've chosen to use the patched games as I already have the SDLoader ODE on an original system (which needs those files).
And the same files could be retrieved somewhere on archives.

[cosmic vault]

The only thing I don't like about the uniBIOS is that the boot melody and boot intro is removed as well it would be nice to have a unibios original and unibios CDZ just saying ... :v

[south cloud]

Let's ask to Razoola (the original coder). Just kidding.

Anyway, you're welcome and if I've dissipated some questions about the system, that's great.

[wary bronze]

Have you gone into the UniBIOS settings (press Select at the NGCD audio player screen) and told the UniBIOS you have a CDZ? The menu option is "System: TOPLOAD : CDZ"

My MiSTer settings are:
CD Type: CDZ
BIOS: UniBIOS
CD Speed: 4x
CD Region: US
CD Lid: Closed

Games loading and working. 👍

[patent granite]

Ill try that actually, thank you 🙂

[wary bronze]

You're welcome! Hopefully that helps a few folks out. Welcome to the world of 700 Meka Shok Nee OH Gee O!

[patent granite]

Hm

[shy bane]

Also note you have to save the memory card after setting these values. Otherwise they’ll be lost when you reboot or reset the core

[wary bronze]

😄
Is that a good Hm?

[patent granite]

Seems unstable. It loaded for me one time, but the others it just boots into the CD player instead

[wary bronze]

I had that at first, but saving settings, doing a soft reboot, and reopening the core shook it out.

I'm on my 11th disc swap so far (CHD files from my NAS) and no hangups.

[patent granite]

Rebooted, the CDZ BIOS blasted static noise instead of its bootup sound but it loaded now

Reset and apply after hitting start on the ADK World title screen. CDDA track keeps playing and it only boots to the CD Player screen now

This core might need a bit of work to work out some of the kinks I think

[wary bronze]

Can you hit stop on the CD player, and then hit Start?

[patent granite]

yeah, it seems to behave with that

[wary bronze]

I've not used a NGCD before, so I'm not sure if that would be normal behavior if we could make it do things it physically can't.

[patent granite]

Thankie. Whered your mirage turtles pfp go? 👀

[wary bronze]

Ah, I changed it out with another drawing from my sketchbook 😄

[patent granite]

Ah okie

You have a deviantart page or anything?

[wary bronze]

I have an IG account. I can DM it to you. Sadly: I'm not a full time artist these days, so kinda boring. 😅

[patent granite]

Oh cool, please do 🙂

[topaz holly]

Works for me! Thanks!

[urban vector]

Unless I missed something, only the unstable nightlies build has CD support, and the extra BIOS files you need aren't being in the update all BIOS DB yet, so you need to do those manually.

[patent granite]

Well, it turns out update all is grabbing the CD core via main

[wary bronze]

Indeed. Update script didn't pull the CD bios files. I manually added them.

I didn't mess with the core until it was in main.

[still gorge]

Isn't CD in the new release? It's in the release notes

[patent granite]

it is

[still gorge]

Okay people are talking about unstable

[urban vector]

Ah sorry, I missed that today

[wary bronze]

This mess is a 100% working Neo Geo MVS/AES/CD folder 😅

[still gorge]

So if unibios has some issues maybe am MGL would be good, then we could have a separate folder for Neo Geo CD and allow for separate bios settings

[wary bronze]

Fun thing that I'm seeing; unlike other cores that support CHD files, NGCD doesn't seem to need or want them in same name folders.

So if I have a [Game Name Folder]/[Game Name CHD].chd...

On say the PSX core, selecting the folder loads the game. On NGCD, it opens the folder and then I select the CHD. 😕

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah, it’s inconsistent with all other cores. I should probably write a GitHub ticket lol

[wary bronze]

I don't mind it, though. 😆
Having to keep ALL CHD files in folders because of multi disc game support is a necessary evil. But NGCD doesn't have any multi disc games, so...

It's a "bug", but kind of a good one.

Totally breaks the consistent UX though.

[wary bronze]

For those who might be wondering what differences there might be between MVS/AES vs CD (beyond just arranged soundtracks):
https://neogeocdworld.info/html/jeux/jeux/differences.htm
https://neogeocdworld.info/html/jeux/jeux/bonus.htm

[ocean phoenix]

Thank you @wary bronze , very helpful resources!

[topaz holly]

Is there any difference between the CD regions setting? Mine is US

[wary bronze]

Same kind of differences as it does with MVS/AES -- green/white blood, Mai's breasts don't bounce, etc

[zenith sedge]

no - they might break is the cracks grow. good to keep on a shelve.

[still gorge]

Maybe we could pin this @barren lodge

[spiral cloak]

I can get to NeoGeo CD screen, but can't hit start button under Game

oh, maybe I was supposed to tell the BIOS I had a CDZ and not topload.

its working now

[humble pelican]

Thanks👍 this do the job

[spiral cloak]

weird but having issues getting NGCD games to consistantly load,

If CDZ is already selected in bios it seems to not play, but on a Topload -> CDZ transition it does

[humble pelican]

On me i set it to US and press c, inside the unibios menu (press select), than reset the core.. Now its boot

[still gorge]

Okay this has probably been asked a bunch but what is the file name supposed to be for the original CD bios

[still gorge]

@barren lodge maybe this could be pinned too?

[barren lodge]

Can you put the link and description in the same message

[still gorge]

Do you want a link to the message or the file

[barren lodge]

…

The description and file need to be in the same message

Otherwise the pin is pointless

[still gorge]

I only ask because I could link the message with a description and it would preserve the original author, otherwise it'd be me with a description and link to the file, I'll just credit him in the comment/description/link

Batch file by Bonedicoot to organize CHD files into their own respective folder:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075091985007902812/1125870498404900994/Sort_each_CHD_file_in_its_own_folder_automatically.bat

[pure pebble]

what! switching to japan right now.

[patent granite]

Is there any way using the CD Unibios to have English language but red blood? I've been experimenting with settings but cant seem to do it

[pure pebble]

after a small research, not all games seem to be impacted, in some games there are options and cheat in the unibios can help.

[urban vector]

Is the neocd.bin still needed? What is it used for if it is?

[wary bronze]

UniBIOS cheat menu (Select + start in game). A Neo Geo owner's best friend.

[patent granite]

Aha, thank you

[urban vector]

I didn't realise for legal issues they changed the name of the OId Course (in St Andrews) to "Edinburgh Old Links", that's pretty funny

I haven't played since I was in my teens, had a junior membership at St Andrews (thanks to my Gran claiming I lived with her there, so cheap for local kids) and Murrayfield. Used to play down at Kilspindie as well. Maybe take it up again when I'm older and retired

That reminds me, I took the tram down Leith Walk now it is finally open and look what was opposite one of the stops...

Alas it does seem to be permanently closed

I wonder what google says about it's status...

[patent granite]

Samsho RPG does not work stably on 4X it seems, on Unibios it will crash after trying to start the game from the main menu, on original bios it will crash after the initial splash screen and reboot.

I set CD speed to 2X and it seems to behave fine with everything.

[urban vector]

Reviews seem to say it's been closed for the last year or so

Hmm... not sure I remember Future Zone, when did it change it's name?

Hmm... I must have gone but I don't remember it as Future Zone

[wooden sonnet]

if it was true the neo geo cd games do work in the dream😏

[wary bronze]

Cross-posting this rather timely controller 😄
#controllers message

[still gorge]

https://twitter.com/SuperZvesda/status/1676302562377748481?t=2QM96TkljU65oSTMoVAkMQ&s=19

Selena the Retro-Princess (@SuperZvesda)

The new Neo Geo CD core for MiSTer is cool and all, but DID YOU KNOW that the entire Neo Geo CD library now works as self-bootable disks on the DREAMCAST!?
I was playing with it just last night. Runs stellar! How cool is this??

#retrogaming #neogeo #sega

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[still gorge]

Here's the image from 8bitdo

8Bitdo NEOGEO Wireless Controller for Windows, Android, and NEOGEO mini with Classic Click-Style Joystick - Black Edition https://a.co/d/dut4nAh

[patent granite]

Woah wait what

Thats awesome.. I hope the build quality is up to snuff

If it's reviewed well and has low lag Ill get one and use it wired

[still gorge]

2.4 ghz likely will be low lag, BT... prepare to be disappointed

[wary bronze]

I haven't used Neo4All since the Dreamcast was still actively thinking. 😆

[hearty pollen]

That's two controllers they've sold me now in as many weeks. Swines!!!!

[urban vector]

Oh, is there a pack somewhere of NGCD games that can be run on the Dreamcast GDEMU?

[full raven]

why playing NGCD in Dreamcast with 480i and ... emulation when it's possible to FEEL with MiSTer ?

[urban vector]

Asking for a friends of mine who is in the process of getting a GDEMU, not something I need (I have a MiSTer and a NGCD)

[full raven]

this dreamcast ngcd emulator exists long time ago

I remember it

[urban vector]

Unless of course you can play V-Liner and Jockey Grand Prix on the Dreamcast 😉

[full raven]

uuurgh !

the most funny games for NIOJIO

[urban vector]

I didn't realise NGCD emulation was possible on the DC, although I am remembering now way back in the day I had CDs of old 8 and 16 bit games I played on emulators on mine

[full raven]

classic xbox had something like that, righ ?

neocd emulator with cd's

[urban vector]

I didn't know that either, but that was a major emulation platform the OG XBOX

Do you know if neocd.bin still needed? What is it used for if it is? It hasn't been added to the update all BIOS DB and wondering if it is needed

[wary bronze]

Archive.org has the entire NGCD collection ready to go for Dreamcast. Self booting.

Unless something has changed very recently with Neo4All, they may "run stellar" (according to that twitter account) but they're far from accurate or gltich-free.

The last Neo4All update was in 2007, I think... so likely it hasn't changed.

[full raven]

if it was 2007

I think will have the bugs it had

psg sound pitch

and... well

[inland drum]

Tried out thr ngcd on dc. So pro works, and loading is quick. Con no region select (but was not aware of start&select, maybe something similar for this?) and the sound when selecting characters seemed off

Oh played kof95 from a cdr

[native coyote]

Is there a way to bring up the cheats menu like turning on blood in metal slug? On the SD loader I just press start+select to bring up the menu.

[still gorge]

Supposedly you can do the same with unibios CD

[native coyote]

Oh. Maybe I don’t have that. I have UniBIOS in the Mister menu option.

[still gorge]

You have to have the BIOS file also

Otherwise the menu option doesn't work

Also make sure you select CD in unibios once you have it loaded, it defaults to top loader

[native coyote]

I’ll give that a shot. Thanks.

[native coyote]

It worked but enabling blood isn’t a cheat option like in the sd loader. Oh well. Seems to load way faster now and 4x works better too.

[still gorge]

I had to switch to Japan region for blood

🤷‍♂️

[wary bronze]

Which game are you referring to?

[still gorge]

Metal Slug 2

I mean, Neo Turf Masters

[wary bronze]

I don't remember if there's a cheat for the Slug games to enable blood in the UniBIOS. I've never tried it on the NGCD. That one might be locked behind a region change.

Regular Neo Geo you'd just switch from AES to MVS.

[still gorge]

Regular neo Geo you can change it in the unibios screen as well

There's a dip switch menu or something as I recall

[wary bronze]

I believe so.

Tricky with NGCD because I suppose they are derived from AES versions rather than having both on the rom.

[wary bronze]

Just tried out Metal Slug 2 for NGCD. Yup: no way to force a softdip change for "Blood: Yes" like you can on UniBIOS with the AES version. Downside of the format I guess. Looks like those games should be set to Japan for the blood.

If anyone finds a way to enable blood in Neo Turf Masters, please let us know! 😉

[still gorge]

It involves painting your TV

[wary bronze]

bloOLED

"ON THE GREEENNNNNNN" 🩸

[inland drum]

Can you elborate on that? was playing kof95 and saw several cheats but nothing regarding language? or wait i was playing jap, if i go usa i could add blood? gonna try 🙂

[wary bronze]

I think in KOF 95 the cheat menu option is "Blood Color"... I know that's what it is in the Samurai Shodown games. And yes: this is to enable it in the USA region.

[inland drum]

maybe 95 doesn't have it...in 96 you can swith to english text in the jap region......mabye there was a hidden 'cheat' like on the saturn version.

gotta appreciate search enignes....'To remove the game's American censorship, go to the high score screen. Once there, press A + D on Controller 1 while holding B + C on controller 2. ' will try that tommorow.

[willow girder]

I'm late to the party, but are we putting CHDs and cartridge ROMs in the same Neo Geo folder in the games folder? I did do a search and it appears that's correct, but I'd like to confirm.

[runic spindle]

Yes. Nest a folder inside the main games neo geo folder

[ocean phoenix]

I use mgl with <setname> to have the Neo Geo CHDs be in its own folder in game/. Mimicking how TG-16 is setup.

[still gorge]

Yeah we need that standard!

[ocean phoenix]

I did that cause my Neo Geo games are in zips and when opening disc images zips are treated like directories lol fml

[still gorge]

What

I maybe get what you're saying

[ocean phoenix]

I use darksoft and I decided to zip each game instead of putting them in folders

When you go to load a disc image, it lists zips as directories so it’s all part of the list

[haughty veldt]

I need to finally test this out.

[still gorge]

well now I'm lost again

What Neo Geo game would go in folders

they're either a zip or .neo

[ocean phoenix]

oh, this pack I got had them in folders and I said no sir

[haughty veldt]

So do I need all three of these?

Universe BIOS: uni-bioscd.rom
NeoGeo CD: top-sp1.bin
NeoGeo CDZ: neocd.bin

And if not, which is the best option?

[willow girder]

Who is the dev working on Neo CD? Maybe we can ask if they can reference a specific NeoGeoCD folder. It should be set up like PC Engine/TG16 core and its handling of CDs.

[ocean phoenix]

Can be added as a GitHub request

[sonic solstice]

Paul. Unless Paul died and they replaced him on future checkins. </imsoold>

[forest crypt]

Yea. It’s a mess like that at the moment

[forest crypt]

Yea. That’s what I wonder too. And what this cdz option does. Anyone else also having the problem that the menu goes crazy when increasing the cd speed option?

[urban vector]

-just of note again, anyone relying on the BIOS DB in update all won't get neocd.bin

If we know what it actually does then could get it added, but seems nobody really knows for sure

[forest crypt]

It was not fetched by update all. When I tried yesterday

[still gorge]

Isn't that the "original" bios?

[green marten]

https://youtu.be/4lbFryNAI5U

amazing stuff

[limber sail]

I'm looking forward to updating my MiSTer to get the new core. I don't have much experience with the Neo Geo CD so Its something I will be giving a try tomorrow after work.

[green marten]

you will love it

tons of fun to be had

[wary bronze]

With blood turned on.

[green marten]

Haha maybe one day

[still gorge]

I still gotta load neo turf masters

I finally got everything copied and sorted last night

Blood mode:

#bot-play message

[urban vector]

You can see the start/end of the actual course at the tail-end of the intro scene in Chariots of Fire, when they finish running along the West Sands and jump over the fence and run across the course - you'll recognise the buildings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgO0XA3LkYM

If anyone was wondering why they called the course a "Links", links as courses built next to a beach/coastline in Scotland. You get a firmer ground because of the sandy soil, but are also much more open to the elements i.e. strong winds

[nocturne storm]

Just out of curiosity, is the neogeo mister core actually proper stereo?
I am asking because i played a round on openemu and noticed the the neo geo intro has way more pronounced stereo effect then on the mister.

[wary bronze]

It is, because you can hear games like SamSho pan the sfx as characters move to opposite sides.

Is your PC applying any spatial effects on the audio?

[nocturne storm]

But cant i hear any difference when i switch from stereo mix 0 to 100

[nocturne storm]

Nope

[wary bronze]

[nocturne storm]

Shouldn't 100% stereo mix be like mono?

[wary bronze]

Try submitting a bug and see if someone can shake out what might be happening.

[still gorge]

Mac*

[nocturne storm]

Also a no. I didn't activate anything.

[wary bronze]

🤣 dang, ya got me

[still gorge]

Are you using the same speakers for each

[nocturne storm]

No. Bluetooth sony headset on the mac and steelseries wireless pro on the mister over my qled samsung tv.

[still gorge]

You could swap and try

Make sure it's not the headset

[nocturne storm]

I will try. Thanks

[still gorge]

No problem, at least that would narrow it down

[urban vector]

Hmm... Maybe try stereo sound tests in the NGCD 240p TS?

[forest crypt]

what is the recommended bios to use? neocd.bin?

[still gorge]

I've been using unibios

[forest crypt]

Ok thanks. Does 3x cd speed work for you?

[still gorge]

I've been using 4x, I've only tried a few games though

Metal Slug 2, Windjammers, and Neo Turf Masters

[humble pelican]

On me 4x unibios xenocrisis, kof98, roboarmy work flawless

[bitter spire]

Shout-out to King of Fighters '98 on the Neo Geo CD for being actually playable now.

[patent granite]

And 99

Though I think some of the Neo Geo collections on PS2 are the best way to play the originals in 240p with the arranged soundtracks. (depends on the collection, though. AOF, FF, and the Japanese KOF collections are great)

[ocean phoenix]

lol plebes, if you’re not playing on a Neo Geo cab it’s like you’re not even playing at all

[limber ferry]

We just need an "MSU" solution for the arranged soundtracks and call it a day. LOL

And TBH, some of the tracks, I think the PCM versions are better.

[wary bronze]

Bigger. Badder. Robby-er.

I think it might actually be time for me to let go of my MVS collection. 🥰

I just wiped a very thick layer of dust off my carts.

[limber ferry]

My Metal Slug X just arrived yesterday, but I only got a few carts. Just things that I've played to death back then.
KoF "Rugal/Orochi Saga" + 98/2k2
MS 1/X/3
Samurai IV
and that's it.

[ocean phoenix]

omg you have MVS carts? That’s so cool.

[wary bronze]

It is? Am I cool? 🥹

[modern ravine]

CDZ mode doesn't load any of the ISO's (CHD in my case). ANyone have this issue?

[still gorge]

Which bios? In unibios you have to set it to CD specifically not top loader

[bronze stump]

what's the difference between the neo cd and normal versions? mostly cd audio? or does it have added content like intro's and stuff?

[wary bronze]

#1075091985007902812 message

[limber atlas]

One quality of life thing that would be nice to have is if the cd setup could be similar to pc engine cd

Aka having its own folder

Or by creating a Neo geo CD Mgl file

@ocean phoenix I believe you created some of the mgl files for main?

[ocean phoenix]

Yup sure did.

[limber atlas]

Dew it lol

[ocean phoenix]

I’d recommend it being a core feature since there’s no real need/value in having separate config settings for NeoGeoCD.

[limber atlas]

Another thing that is good by having an mgl is that you can create a folder in games where it points to cd games

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah that’s what I’m doing now. But I’m also using symlinks to duplicate configs and controls keep replicate all changes between “NEOGEO” and “NeoGeoCD”.

[wary bronze]

Even though you're a big meanie, I appreciate you @ocean phoenix 🫂

[ocean phoenix]

lol is this about my Neo Geo cab joke? I was totally joking, my bad.

[gritty compass]

I kind of just made a CD folder in my neo geo folder. Doesn't look the prettiest but it works

[wary bronze]

Dude: I'm teasing. You're a stand up guy and super nice.🤘

[ocean phoenix]

I just try to be a good person however being nice is finding the good in others and celebrating it. Complimenting others like you do is the real nice gesture, so thank you.

[wary bronze]

Don't mind us. Just two dudes crying and hugging about Neo Geo. 🥹

[ocean phoenix]

https://youtu.be/Q_kGJBv6Wr4

[still gorge]

One thing I noticed that others have pointed out is if you have your CHD nested in a directory it still makes you go into the directory unlike other CD cores

[forest crypt]

Menu goes wild once I am at 3x not even possible to do any more input after that. Deleted the core and ran again update all. Still the same. Only can select 2x

[limber ferry]

If you have a CHD no need to store it in multiple folders IMO

[still gorge]

Doesn't it keep memory cards from filling up

Not sure how Neo Geo handles those

[limber ferry]

Not sure on that one, but I'm not sure if these are already stored as per game basis anyways.

[still gorge]

Although it isn't an issue with carts that I've seen so 🤔

[still gorge]

Right

[limber ferry]

Since this is a "rom" core first and then a CD adaptation later.

[pure pebble]

just discover this version (11 years after)
https://youtu.be/SZPfsPJDfXc?t=117

[still gorge]

Now I'm curious if there's actually any reason to put them in folders

[green marten]

Man that’s an old one now

[thorn forge]

Is the neo geo core in a good state? Don't know what to try out besides metal slug

[willow girder]

Great state. Check out Neo Drift Out and Neo Turf Masters. Drift Out is probably my favorite on the system.

[still gorge]

It's been in a great state for quite a while now

[ocean phoenix]

@limber atlas great news! The latest #unstable-nightlies message has the core using the NeoGeo-CD folder! 🥳

[limber atlas]

Yaay

[ocean phoenix]

I hope I didn’t come across as non-supportive earlier. Your opinion was correct and I completely agreed. Im very happy with this change too.

[limber atlas]

It’s ok 🙂

[still gorge]

What the heck is that link that I can't go to

[ocean phoenix]

Sorry, you need a MiSTer gold subscription.

[still gorge]

what is it actually lol

[willow girder]

psst He doesn't have access to the SECRET channel

[still gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/annalise-keating-viola-davis-lady-purse-leaving-gif-5084445

[ocean phoenix]

Maybe I did a bad copy/paste?

[still gorge]

I don't have access to unstable nightlies?

[willow girder]

Link works fine for me

[ocean phoenix]

weird, could be a channels setting?

[still gorge]

I don't think I have settings lol

like I didn't go "no unstable nightlies please"

I don't even see it on the left

what's it under

[willow girder]

Just got my "NeoGeo-CD" folder setup and ready for the update. feelsgoodman.jpg

[still gorge]

whelp I guess I don't get unstables

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-soupnazi-nosoup-gif-5441633

[willow girder]

Stay stable, bro

Its for your protection

[ocean phoenix]

Do you see that?

[still gorge]

got it, I had to check "show all channels" for some reason

I don't know why it wouldn't show them all lol

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah, that’s odd. Well I’m glad it’s all fixed for ya! 🥳

[still gorge]

man there's a bunch of channels that were hid

WTF Discord

[haughty veldt]

Just remember. It's a secret!

https://tenor.com/view/rainn-wilson-shh-secret-prank-gif-17131726

[still gorge]

I knew of the channel but apparently never looked for it lol

[willow girder]

How the hell did you get to level 65 and just now discovered them? lol

[still gorge]

I'm pretty confident that they showed up for me in the past

[willow girder]

On that note how do the levels work? I've been here since the discords birth and have been in lvl 20 pergatory.

[still gorge]

I don't know how they'd be hidden. Maybe I did some kind of purge one day "I never look at these channels" lol

[still gorge]

I think it's just how much you type

[willow girder]

So, lurk less. Got it.

[still gorge]

yes 🙂

more recently I discovered simply muting the channels I don't care about lol

[haughty veldt]

And I'm just like...level 0?

[still gorge]

Get to participatin'

https://tenor.com/view/typing-fast-jim-carrey-gif-5315333

[haughty veldt]

zsi;vgsd;ifg;aiosd

It didn't work.

[still gorge]

Or banned works I guess

[ocean phoenix]

there’s a secret hidden channel where I have a bot typing “lol” over and over to power level me

[tame kernel]

Weird issues on Strikers 1945 while playing on my crt via rgb...tried 3 different televisions, issue persist.
the ingame graphic has a slight shade from top to bottom, not present on the original mvs.
While using the hmdi out the "shade" gradiant is gone, only present when using the analog port...
Any1?

Hard to take a picture on 2 crts.
The left(tate)hdmi vs the right(yoko)rgb.
If u look close at the bottom right screen… its bright but in the middle of the screen its dark.

Better pic of the issue… right bottom über bright, middle dark af.

[oblique valve]

Does update all include the cd unibios?

[still gorge]

Not that I see

[gritty compass]

yeah, it didn't grab it for me. But it's very easy to find

[neon rampart]

I just tried it, it is fine with my setup (Commodore 1084 on analog board with RGB). I'll take a picture in a few minutes.

sorry, no pictures. the new pixel phone has extreme trouble with crt pictures.

but I can say that crt and hdmi image are very similar

[tame kernel]

weird...i have the issue on all my 3 crt TVs...but no other game and not over HDMI...

[neon rampart]

any active or passive components between mister and tv?

[tame kernel]

nope..just a standard rgb cable from the I/O board
and wont affect any other game...really weird xD

will try on my panasonic plasma aswell..

[tame kernel]

works on my plasma..hmm

[plucky stag]

do I need to rename the CD unibios to anything in particular?

[limber atlas]

No

[plucky stag]

awesome

I'm scooping up the chd files at the moment to do all that in one go

[placid whale]

there's a slight issue with the latest neogeo snac8 fork.
turning up the cd speed freaks out the snac option. turning eachother on/off up/down and breaking cd loading all together

[willow girder]

This is why those SNAC forks are somewhat discouraged.

Too many variables to account for.

[snow plume]

Any tutorials on how to run CD games in CHD? I just get eternal rebooting to unibios screen. 😔

[still gorge]

There's no trick

Do you have unibios set to CD not top loader

[snow plume]

Maybe that’s it

Lemme check

All black screen now

I’m dumb 😔

I was using wrong BIOS

[still gorge]

Ahh

[snow plume]

I'm super dumb 😅

[plucky stag]

so I can get the core to work fine at the 2x speed setting, but if I try to go up to 4x it won't autoboot the game and it forces the joystick input to db9, which my stick decidedly does not support. Is there a workaround?

do I for some reason have the db9 fork active

looks like that's probably my problem

[snow plume]

Tested 4x with a couple of games and had no issues

[still gorge]

Same

[full raven]

Jyotei Senki

[patent granite]

4, to be specific. Though 3 has that intro too

[full raven]

This dounjin game is very good

[patent granite]

it really is, Ive only played it on MiSTer so I dont know if the game is 4 button or 6 button natively

[full raven]

KOF 94 like game... I think KOF 94 could have been ported to X68k

[patent granite]

Hopefully better than the Garou games

[full raven]

garou games are ... not so good

GD Special have good looking, but... It feels strange

PC-Engine version is very good

[patent granite]

Viewpoint turned out OK, though the music is a bit lacking

[full raven]

Viewpoint is very good in FM-TOWNS

way better than X68K version

[patent granite]

I'd really love better cores for X68k/FM Towns/PC88/PC98

[full raven]

let's pray to the gods

[patent granite]

You mean to Kitrinx? 🙂

[full raven]

is she a godess ?

[patent granite]

The MiSTer core coding goddess

[full raven]

then let's pray

[patent granite]

Viewpoint FM Towns seems to have partially arranged music, thats cool

[full raven]

well, really it's the AES/MVS soundtrack

the CD version of the game has the AES/MVS soundtrack too

[patent granite]

The drums and a few instruments seem better on Towns, maybe its just me

[full raven]

the mix maybe is better

It happens in other games like Ragnagard or Breakers. in CD.

[patent granite]

Yeah, its a slight improvement but it is there

Well it looks like PSX has an arranged soundtrack but... it completely sucks. No point in me hacking that in to Neo Geo CD or Fm Towns versions lol

[full raven]

never liked the PSX version

those graphics

[patent granite]

I have done a few track replacement hacks like this for PC Engine CD, R-Type Complete (R-Type Dimensions AST) Double Dragon 2 (Arranged album AST) and Gradius 2 (X68k FM + MT32 OST)

[full raven]

Double Dragon 2 PCE has a very STRANGE music

[patent granite]

I thought so too

I think the new tracks suit it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHziQHVONhM

I especially like this track hacked in to R Type Complete CD 🙂

[full raven]

it really sounds good

where to find these arranges ?

[patent granite]

Check my Discord profile for a link to my archive.org page. They are under "Classic Gaming Music Replacements"

[full raven]

maevelous

thanks

[patent granite]

np

[wary bronze]

Nice! Yet another awesome batty archive project.

[patent granite]

There is also a Rockman 3 Complete Works hack for PSX in there I made that adds MET's guitar AST to the game

[abstract birch]

@batty, please stop, I can't afford more hard drives right now 🤣

j/k, don't ever stop

[patent granite]

Im working on a music hack for Mega Man Legacy Collection 2 that adds MET's arranged music to 8, 9, and 10, and Rockman Complete Works 5 and 6 as well.

[hasty moth]

Can fatal fury special upper(hack) work with MiSTer NeoGeo core? The distributed patch cannot support ROMset for MiSTer.

[patent granite]

Im guessing it supports MAME romsets. You can try patching the mame romset, zipping it up and using the neobuilder utility to make a MiSTer compatible image.

[urban vector]

I don't know about this one, but some other unofficial games that are on multicarts etc. And run on real hardware, don't run on MiSTer but run on Mame because we are missing the mappers

Really hope Paul takes a look at those tickets once he has done with NGCD support

[hasty moth]

thanks!

[patent granite]

Excellent. What does this hack add? Just selectable bosses?

[patent granite]

Some hacks like KOF98AE dont work correctly on real hardware, and are only for emulators

[hasty moth]

Game balance adjustments, use of CPU-only characters, etc.

[patent granite]

Interesting, I might have to build that one myself.

[hasty moth]

patch download

https://ux.getuploader.com/neogeo/download/11

[patent granite]

Thank you 🙂

Which specific mame romset does this patch?

[wary bronze]

Sounds like a worthwhile hack to try.

[patent granite]

Ill build an image of it and put it on archive

[wary bronze]

batty to the rescue

[hasty moth]

I patched 058-p1.p1 with winips etc. and zipped it again and converted it to a .neo file.

[patent granite]

Im trying to add a separate entry into the romsets.xml so the game can be recognized separately from the original Fatal Fury Special

[patent granite]

Allright, I have Fatal Fury Special Upper and Samurai Shodown V Final (english patched) up on archive and have included an edited romsets.xml for them.

If anyone knows any other good hacks to add in let me know.

[copper gull]

Kof 96 AE

[patent granite]

If that is anything like KOF 98 AE it is designed for emulators only. but I can try

[copper gull]

I have kof 96 AE and Works on mister.

Although it's been a while since I played it

[patent granite]

What does this hack add or change in the base game?

[copper gull]

Blows, cancels, etc, and I think the bosses too

[patent granite]

Neat.

[copper gull]

I'm going to sleep, I arrived from duty just now, my son is waiting for me to rest. If you don't get it, I'll send you the version I have via PM

[patent granite]

I found it, thank you though 🙂

[plucky stag]

out of curiosity, what do the AE hacks do that require an emulator vs actual hardware? Is it just some funky mapper stuff

[patent granite]

I believe so, in the case of KOF98AE it has a c9 rom with extra data which is non standard, things like that

[flat shard]

I think those romsets are recoqnized in FBN, which generates a clrmamepro or romcenter datfile.
This way you know exacty which roms you need and to convert.

[patent granite]

Thanks, I will check into that

[plucky stag]

so in theory the flash cart/mister just needs to have support for those added to make em work

[lofty marten]

Fatal Fury upper eh! ?

[patent granite]

Ryo selectable right from the select screen, for your shoto loving ass

[patent granite]

Thank you @copper gull for the KOF96AE working file

[forest crypt]

Boys. Nobody having the problem with neo geo cd core that the menu starts doing inputs itself after I try to set cd speed to 4?

[still gorge]

Nope

[sturdy fern]

Do .mgl work with CD yet?

[still gorge]

I think @ocean phoenix has done it

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah, I do mgl with every console

I forgot what settings it needs

[still gorge]

Why every console

[ocean phoenix]

I launch games directly instead of cores

[sturdy fern]

Thanks, i'll change my settings

[still gorge]

Oh, THAT

So if you wanted just one console you could throw all the games up at the top level when you first boot right

[ocean phoenix]

yeah, I’ve got a “Games List” folder that has an mgl for every console game (separated by console). I also have a “Favorites” folder where I sym link my favorite games for easier access.

[patent granite]

Slowly but surely getting these replacement audio tracks cut for Metal Slug Neo Geo CD. Kinda no fun since the new arranged tracks are from a mobile game apk, and pieces of the songs are split up into different files internally.

I think the new tracks are going to sound pretty good in game. Just need the proper volume adjustments.

[still gorge]

Wait what is it you're doing? I must have missed that

[patent granite]

So Neo Geo CD games use regular CDDA tracks for music

Unlike say a lot of PSX games using XA, or Saturn using pcm etc

The music is easily replaced

I've already done it for some PC Engine CD games before

Metal Slug arranged music is oddly rare and obscure for some reason, I dont know why. Metal Slug 1 and 2 on Neo Geo CD dont have arranged music, just recordings from the MVS/AES version. So I cracked open an apk for Metal Slug Awakening (mobile game, 1.9gb) and extracted the proprietary music files, converted them to .wav and Im cutting new arranged tracks for Metal Slug 1 Neo Geo CD.

Hopefully that makes sense.

[still gorge]

I think I'm ignorant on the difference between the formats at this point, sorry

What does arranged mean in this context, in relation to CDDA

[wary bronze]

BATTY! 🤯

[patent granite]

Arranged meaning a nicer soundtrack that is based on the original

Nicer instruments

Listen to the mp3 I posted up there for an example

[patent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/leonard-snart-captain-cold-wentworth-miller-legends-of-tomorrow-dcs-gif-17605180

[still gorge]

Oh okay, thanks for explaining 😁

[patent granite]

no worries m8

[still gorge]

U wot

[patent granite]

Im gobsmacked m8, the arranged tracks making me chuffed

[swift solstice]

Has this bug been documented? Didn't see it on the github, my apologies if its already been reported

https://twitter.com/PricePartDeux/status/1679667221243785216?s=20

The Price of Reason (Samurai Shodown RPG) (@PricePartDeux)

Welp, I have confirmed that the audio issue in SSRPG is definitely not due to my translation. This is on #MiSTerFPGA using the original Japanese ISO. That is mightily unpleasant on the ears.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jul 14, 2023, 1:40 AM

[sonic solstice]

Yikes

[wary bronze]

I like the part where it goes skrrrreeeeeeeeeech

[shy bane]

Might want to report it on GitHub. I’m not sure if Paul follows the Discord channel.

[haughty veldt]

I also encountered that audio bug when I tested the game on MiSTer. It goes away after entering the town again for some reason.

[native coyote]

Where do you even find the English version? I’ve looked around and only found it with ISO and mp3s. Not bin/cue.

[ocean phoenix]

It’s not officially out, translation still wip

[native coyote]

Sounds good. Thanks.

[spiral cloak]

🫡

[haughty veldt]

Nice, it looks like the separate CD folder update is now on the stable main. 🎉

[limber atlas]

As it should be 🙂

[willow girder]

Updater pulled in the appropriate BIOS files too. Good stuff!

[ocean phoenix]

Yeah, @covert verge is such an awesome dude. His work on the MiSTer is basically a huge part of why it’s so easy to use.

[covert verge]

I had this update on the radar for a while

[clear steeple]

Is there any way to permanently save that you are using a CDZ in the v3.3 NGCD unibios? I have to select it every time when starting a game. https://youtu.be/uTgsTRs0RdI

Unibios CD page: http://unibios.free.fr/cdsystem.html

I think I found a fix. Having the 'CD lid: Opened' seems to have fixed it.

I wonder if they have the CD lid open and closed is switched in the core. That would make sense that it goes to the jukebox if the lid was open.

[limber atlas]

Yeah I thought the same

[ocean phoenix]

Oh is that what I have to do? Lol

[clear steeple]

Okay, for now, set the NeoGeo-CD core settings so as such.

Move all games to 'games\NeoGeo-CD'. Then set the below settings in the core, then save and reboot. To pull up the Unibios menu in game hit (START) + (SELECT):

Bios: UniBIOS
CD Speed: 4x
CD lid: Opened```

[ocean phoenix]

Appreciate it, amigo!

[clear steeple]

Looks like if you don't mess with CD Type, and keep it CD instead of CDZ, the CD lid doesn't have to be set to Opened. I wonder if the CD Speeds are faster with CDZ?

At first glance it looks like CDZ is faster.

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/gyurco/NeoGeo_FPGA

Synchronous neo geo core for mist done

[limber atlas]

It doesn’t work for me

It resets to eu and top load

[clear steeple]

you have to save the settings in the core

[limber atlas]

That I did but it resets when I change games

I’m referring to the options inside the unibios

[clear steeple]

yeah, that's my problem. That's why I went with the above settings #1075091985007902812 message

[clear steeple]

Looks like you need to turn on Autosave, or save the memory card after changing a Unibios CD setting. Then it will remember what region and type you set.

[rough ingot]

Are the changes to the mist core core beeing backported to the mister core?

[still gorge]

What are the changes to the mist core?

[rough ingot]

https://github.com/gyurco/NeoGeo_FPGA/commit/b49368f4a7c614f2983e97e89f260360586905be

“At the end, the core's HDL was converted into synchronous code, using a simulator to check if it still produces the same signals as before. Finally all latches were eliminated,
and all generated clock usages were removed.”

[still gorge]

I dunno what that means haha

[rough ingot]

Iirc JT urged Furrtek the remove asynchronous clocks a long time ago

[urban vector]

What real world benefits are there doing these changes or is it a bit academic?

[rough ingot]

Not sure, maybe @solar patio can provide some insight

Iirc Sorg also mentioned some issues with the core in the past

[delicate girder]

this update broke my neo geo, cd works good

[haughty veldt]

The CD version of Neo Turf Masters really is better than the AES/MVS version. Feels like it was reworked to be more tailored for a home released compared to the AES version. Proper options, the ability to create profiles, and the new course. And the loading isn't really an issue with the 4x speed option. Just makes one of my favorite Neo Geo games even better.

[patent granite]

4X loading has made the system actually fun to use for a lot of games

[patent granite]

@copper gull @clear steeple @abstract birch @wary bronze @full raven

https://youtu.be/OUSrKtjqhxM

[wary bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-crazy-son-of-a-bitch-you-did-it-jurrasic-park-gif-19484615

[still gorge]

Are ya done?

[patent granite]

Still working on it 🙂

[still gorge]

Sounds great so far ❤️

[patent granite]

Thanks. Pregaps need some tweaking, but I think I have the volume dialed in about right

[ocean phoenix]

Your pregaps need some tweaking

[patent granite]

Tweak deez n-

😭

[ocean phoenix]

LOL

I had to fix my reply four times because it kept auto correcting pregaps to oregano

[wary bronze]

Your oregano needs some tweaking.

[patent granite]

Sup bruh?

[ocean phoenix]

@patent granite you are awesome, we are so lucky you joined this Discord and are sharing your talents with us

[patent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-wink-youre-welcome-gif-13378174

[forest crypt]

Yea. That’s what i wonder too. What does this cdz option do anyway.

[austere nymph]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/pull/189

[still gorge]

Dammit we warned you, chill dude

[still gorge]

It's too late for this

[patent granite]

u wot m8

[abstract birch]

Impressive work on the soundtrack...AND impressive playing. Much better at Metal Slug than I

[patent granite]

I appreciate the compliment, but it was set on easy mode for demonstration lol

[abstract birch]

How dare you!

[patent granite]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-james-franco-gif-7829182

[abstract birch]

Is this all pulled from the same .apk. Which one was it again?

[patent granite]

Metal Slug Awakening

[abstract birch]

Cool cool

[patent granite]

Arranged music for Metal Slug is obscure/rare for some reason, almost every home port of one of the Slug games has OST only

[abstract birch]

.....we need cursed Outlaw Golf x Turf Masters.... for funzies

[forest crypt]

Boys. Can’t set 4x user ID setting messes up cd speed and vice versa

[limber atlas]

Is this db9 fork?

Avoid

[forest crypt]

Ahh shit. Perhaps this. Thank you

Need to find where to disable db9 fork

[placid whale]

I'll mark it as an issues because it needs fixing for those of us who use the adapter. they won't know otherwise

I got one of them and it's really neat to know your getting a lagless experience on the core.

so I got no one to blame when I lose in Metal Slug other than myself

done

[forest crypt]

Thank you very much.

Will try the non db9 core now.

Cool. 4x speed rocks

Especially with last blade 2

[ocean phoenix]

4x no workey for me

[south cloud]

Compilation successful from today's PR by paulb-nl.

I've tested the core during the last hour, just to be sure that I don't find any regression before posting the RBF file.
Double Dragon works correctly now.
EDIT : Gowcaizer works too - on the voices and SFX now.
EDIT 2 : The UniBIOS have boot sounds now, but really scratchy & annoying. The 'closed/opened' lid bug remains.
EDIT 3 : The sound bug on SamSho RPG remains.

CC @full raven

[patent granite]

Vas is dis? Neo Geo ROM is broken on the new CD capable core?

[patent granite]

Skill issue

[forest crypt]

Perhaps you must also disable db9 core

[ocean phoenix]

I don’t have db9 cores but that’s a good suggestion anyways, thank you

[limber atlas]

Yeah but that should be on the one that maintains the db9 fork

[south cloud]

paulb-nl created a new pull request earlier today for fixing some games on the NeoGeoCD part.
I've compiled the core files if others want to test too with their configs.

[patent granite]

Oh! Thank you Zet 🙂

[copper gull]

It's getting good... congratulations

[patent granite]

ty

[shy bane]

Nice thank you. Hopefully this fixes the audio issues with Sam Sho RPG

[crimson rivet]

Loving the Neo Geo CD games so far! Anyone know the proper syntax for MGL files w/ Neo Geo CD games?

[shy bane]

Paul responded on the MiSTer forum looking for exact steps to reproduce this and possibly a save file if necessary. Do you have those details by chance? I asked on Twitter for the author to respond to the thread. Hopefully he will.

[south cloud]

I've tried SamSho RPG and the bug is there even with the new PR.

[shy bane]

How do you reproduce it? Any specific steps?

[south cloud]

Just a moment.

[shy bane]

k

[south cloud]

How I've reproduced the bug - I've taken the Galford route (the blond hair guy on the far right on the selection screen).
Begin your game after 3-4 mins of talking characters.
Go south on the map, near the village and some random battle will begin.
After that battle, the music will go crazy as reported by the other user.

(I can't save that early in the game, too bad)

[shy bane]

OK cool. I'll report this to Paul. Thank you

[south cloud]

You're welcome.

[shy bane]

Does SSRPG work for anyone else at 4x? Mine crashes after the load screen on 4x. This is with CDZ & UniBIOS.

[haughty veldt]

It doesn't. You need to set it to 2x (or 1x) for the game to run properly.

[shy bane]

Interesting thank you. I wonder if it's playable on Furtek's SD loader

I believe it runs at 4x

[haughty veldt]

Not sure if it's an issue with the MiSTer core or not. It's the only game I tested personally that doesn't work at 4x.

There's also an audio bug with the game.

[shy bane]

Right yeah

Paul is going to investigate that

[south cloud]

The game throws an exception with the UniBIOS too.

[shy bane]

yep. only works at 1x or 2x

would be cool if the core allowed per-game speed setting so we can leave it on 4x except for this game. or maybe Paul could just ignore anything above 2x for it

[limber atlas]

Per game will not work unless you use mgl files

[spiral orbit]

I'm so looking forward to the SSRPG translation

[shy bane]

How can I make that work with mgl files? Sorry just not familiar with them.

I was thinking of something similar to how, I believe, the MCD core works. IIRC you can put a BIOS file into the game folder and it'll use that instead of the system-defined BIOS. Like we could put a "2x" file into the game folder and the core would run it at that speed.

[clear steeple]

Sounds amazing. Nice playing too.

[swift solstice]

You are more likely to exchange info with the author on romhacking.net

[shy bane]

With Zet's help we were able to get Paul steps to reproduce it

[swift solstice]

Though he seems very active on twitter

Got a link to the forum thread?

[shy bane]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=75655&sid=1694a54322a81e4ee988a83beba06df0#p75655

[swift solstice]

Thank goodness. I want the core to be ready for this translation effort. That game is the killer app for the neo geo cd

[crimson rivet]

Just quickly tested out the whole official Neo Geo CD library. By testing out, I mean I launched every official game and played for about 2 minutes. Here are my settings and my findings:
-CD Type: CDZ
-Bios: UniBios
-CD Speed: 4x
-CD Lid: Opened
Every game booted into gameplay so that's great! Didn't dive deep into the games, but just wanted to ensure compatibility across the board. The only issues I've run into is a few audio issues. FYI, I'm using all CHD files if that helps. Here are the games w/ audio issues:
-Double Dragon (missing sound effects in match)
-Ragnagard (no audio at all in match)
-Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer (missing sound effects in match)
As mentioned, the only issues I've run into with these settings are audio issues. Can I ask if other people are experiencing these issues?

[wary bronze]

Have you tested those games with the original bios?

[crimson rivet]

Let me try that out

...

[wary bronze]

Just to rule out if it's the core, unibios weirdness, or both.

[south cloud]

Try with the new core version I compiled and posted yesterday.
#1075091985007902812 message
Normally, all the sounds issues you mentioned should be fixed.
One caveat : the UniBIOS have scratchy sounds on the boot sequence (instead of nothing).

And we have reported to paulb-nl the problem on Samsho RPG after some minutes inside the game.

[crimson rivet]

Yeah I saw that on GitHub. Good work!

[urban vector]

Just make sure any bugs found are logged on GitHub, as Paul isn't on Discord so if they aren't logged he won't know about them

[crimson rivet]

Trying Double Dragon with the new build and it gets stuck about 1/3rd of the way through the loading screen

[crimson rivet]

Will report if the issue isn't resolved in the new build

[south cloud]

The game have a tendency to crash.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/183

That issue isn't fixed at the moment.

Only sound problems are fixed.

If you want to test that game, you should load another game before with the core.

[robust ivy]

Out of curiosity, is there any incentive to using .neo versions of standard neogeo roms versus folders and MRAs? Like any loading speed advantage or less size used up?

Not sure a .neo is anything other than just a special renamed archive by a quick glance

[crimson rivet]

Update: with the build from yesterday, I can confirm that the music and sound effects work for all 3 afftected games with the original bios. Now to test them out with the UniBios on the build from yesterday...

[shy bane]

What's up with the scratchy UniBIOS sound? Is that expected? My CDZ never had UniBIOS. Is there supposed to be sound or no? Just curious

[limber atlas]

There is supposed to be sound

Paul probably knows about all these issues

Let’s wait for him to tackle them

[still gorge]

I like how tidy they are and I don't think you need an XML

[crimson rivet]

Update: The sound issues from the 3 games I mentioned have been fixed with the core build from yesterday. Double Dragon, Ragnagard and Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer have all their music and sound effects working properly with original, Unibios and with CDZ!

Also, Double Dragon loads fine so that bug may've been fixed as well

Haven't had any issues with 4x loading

[full raven]

I remember having problems with double dragon in a TOP LOADING machine... The game autoreseted when first loading only if it was the first game to boot after the machine was stopped for hours. If you load any other game and then load double dragon, it doesn't fail. I had a simmilar problem with Ninja Combat... STRANGE THINGS !

[crimson rivet]

Only game that appears to have issues now is Stakes Winner on the latest build. Tried every setting in the core, with and without Unibios but there's a warning message that I think is about RAM issues. Deduced that because that was the only word in English before booting me back to the bios lol

[south cloud]

"Not enough space for Backup RAM."

[crimson rivet]

Ah, so this is a known issue?

[south cloud]

I don't know, I've just seen the issue too and I'm translating rapidly the message.

[south cloud]

I've opened a ticket a moment ago, mentioning your finding.

[crimson rivet]

Thanks for reporting!

[patent granite]

Zet is a helpful person

[wary bronze]

Maybe too obvious a question, but that's 95% of troubleshooting...

Did you try clearing out space in the NGCD memory manager to see if that helps?

[forest crypt]

Is there some sort of official complete chd files list? Think I got mine off archive. Just want to make sure am using the right stuff.

[crimson rivet]

I've been using redumps so those are as the most recommended. Were yours redumps?

[crimson rivet]

Sorry for being a dummy but how do you do that? lol

[wary bronze]

Not dummy at all. 🙂

In the bios, you can select Memory, and you can delete items there. It's a common thing to have to juggle game saves on systems of this era. They usually have very small internal memory capacity.

[crimson rivet]

Holy guacamole Batman! You're right! Cleared the data and the game loads. All I had on file was a Neo Turf Masters profile.

[crimson rivet]

If you clear 100% of the save data, the game works

Brings up an interesting question, is there a workaround to fix something like this besides deleting your save data? Could save data be handled on a per game basis?

[south cloud]

Don't have time to test any further at the moment, thanks for the update.
I've updated the issue ticket too before leaving home for today.

[wary bronze]

That's a common approach to solve this "problem". Log that as a feature request, not a bug. Right now what it's doing is expected functionality that matches original hardware.

[still gorge]

If you put the game in a folder does it do this like on other systems

[crimson rivet]

Yeah. All my games are each in their own individual folders

Just created the Github ticket: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/192

[still gorge]

And it doesn't make its own memory card?

[crimson rivet]

Well I was able to go into the internal memory and delete my Neo Turf Masters profile to get Stakes Winner to work and I wasn't loading up Neo Turf Masters. That suggests that it's a system wide save procedure if I understand correctly

[still gorge]

Right

Well one workaround could be the folder method like in other systems

[crimson rivet]

Yeah I mentioned that in my Github ticket. It wasn't as eloquent as I'd like it to be, but I think it conveys the idea lol

[crimson rivet]

Looks like sorg made the commit to save per CD on the latest unstable builds. He comented this on my recent Github ticket. Rejoice! Gonna test now!

[wary bronze]

You have been blessed. 😄

[ocean phoenix]

I like how we have an FPGA guardian Angel watching over us in this chat lol

[wary bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/tbaa-monica-angel-gif-5395184

Sorg ☝️

[crimson rivet]

It's in the unstable builds now friends

[crimson rivet]

Just testing it out and it works! The only thing is w/ Stakes Winner it needs a completely free system w/ no saves. What a hog! lmao but all games should work now and having saves per CD is a great QoL improvement for sure

[austere nymph]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/pull/193

[crimson rivet]

Does this mean the Sam Sho RPG audio bug has been fixed?

[austere nymph]

maybe 🙂

[patent granite]

Maybe itll be fixed in time for the translation release

[south cloud]

I've closed the ticket just a moment ago, thanks for the reminder.

[crimson rivet]

Thanks for logging it! Basically it all lead to having individual saves per CD for the Neo Geo CD so it was a worthwhile endeavor 🙂

Btw, the bios audio issues with the Unibios seems to be gone with the latest core!

It no longer makes that hissing noise

[still gorge]

Is this utilizing the folder method then where you put a game in its own folder

[crimson rivet]

Yeah. Like if you have 50 games for example. Each game has its own unique folder.

[still gorge]

right

just making sure thanks

[crimson rivet]

That's how I use it at least so can't say for sure otherwise

[still gorge]

one more question does it now take you into the game when you pick the folder or do you still have to select the disk? I think in the other systems you just pick the folder and it loads the game without the extra click

[crimson rivet]

I don't recall. Didn't pay specific attention to that. I know that prior builds you had to select the appropriate file within the folder. All I know is that my Neo Turf Masters save appears when I have that game selected and doesn't when any other game is selected

[still gorge]

Right, IMO, and I hate to be that guy, but if we could make it so it matches the behavior of the other cores and saves that click, that would be sweet

[crimson rivet]

You can open a ticket if the behavior isn't what you like. Sorg responded super fast. He literally fixed the issue in like 1-2 hours. It doesn't bother me because I use MGL files

I already closed the ticket so I'd feel like I'm pushing my luck if I opened another lol

[still gorge]

Yeah?

Sweet

I might wait until the folder thing migrates to official release unless you think I should strike now lol

[ocean phoenix]

strike while he's paying attention!

[still gorge]

okay but that means now I have to track down the build and test that it actually doesn't have that behavior 🙂

[zinc rampart]

I think that'd just be the new unstable mister in in #unstable-nightlies wouldn't it

[still gorge]

Oh cool

So would the second build here, include the changes from the one before it?

[zinc rampart]

the second build is the neogeo core

the first build is mister main

so different thingers

[still gorge]

oh dang

so it's part of main?

[crimson rivet]

It's part of the latest unstable main so it's not part of the official main repo yet

[still gorge]

Right so I need to grab that main and the latest unstable neo geo?

[crimson rivet]

Yes. I don't like using unstable main tbh so I deleted it after verifying it works.

[still gorge]

well right I wouldn't keep it

I've never used an unstable main

[zinc rampart]

unstable main has usually been pretty stable in my experience

[still gorge]

so how do I use this main, where do I put it

[crimson rivet]

Neither have I until today to test this lol. Just rename your current main MiSTer.old and rename the unstable to "MiSTer". Once you've tested it to your liking, then delete it or keep it and rename MiSTer.old back to MiSTer

[still gorge]

does it replace "MiSTer" in my FAT partition?

perfect thanks

[bitter spire]

Replace the file that says "MiSTer", not to be confused with other files that have the file format in the name.

[still gorge]

is this something I can do over SSH while it's running or is that bad lol

[zinc rampart]

you can do it over ssh

[still gorge]

perfect going to try now thank you 🙂

[zinc rampart]

rename MiSTer, put the unstable MiSTer in its place, and reboot for good measure

[still gorge]

yep got it

adding the latest neo geo too

Alright I can confirm that it does not load the game at the top level, but Sega CD, TGCD, and PSX do

So just open an issue, @crimson rivet ?

[crimson rivet]

Do you have a GiHub account? Here's the Github repo for Neo Geo: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues

[still gorge]

Yes I do

currently browsing here:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues

I assume this is where I need to post it?

[crimson rivet]

Yeah. I'd post it myself, but I've been talking to sorg all day and don't want to pester him

[still gorge]

Thanks 🙂

[crimson rivet]

I'd just title it something like: "Request: support for top level cd loading like other CD cores" and describe the issue

Since sorg is focusing on this core now he's super fast to respond.

[still gorge]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/issues/194

how's this

[ocean phoenix]

"inconsistent" is a trigger word

[still gorge]

good or bad lol

[ocean phoenix]

good for us

I followed you

[still gorge]

I was hoping it would trigger

You'd think though if people want consistency they'd clean up those ROM folder names, wowza

[crimson rivet]

Very good! Describe the issue perfectly

[still gorge]

Great thanks for everyone's help!

[grave crow]

Has anyone had any luck loading cd images off of an external SSD? The core works fine with images on the SD card, but I'm just getting a blank screen with my external drive. The files on the SSD are selectable on the Mister (I deleted the NeoGeo-CD folder off of the SD card), and I verified that I have all the required bios files. I also can load PCE CD games off of the SSD without any issues.

[forest crypt]

I have to check. Thanks. Think it’s 111 games including the xenocrisis and the other indie shoot em up don’t remember the name

[heady fractal]

Would that be NGDEV's stuff?

[hearty pollen]

I changed over the file structure slightly but I have no issue running NGCD images off my SSD. I moved everything over from the sdcard games folder and nothing was working but then I ran update all and it started to work just fine.

[grave crow]

That worked! Thanks so much!

[hearty pollen]

Ah, good stuff. Enjoy!

[full raven]

i posted an issue abou kof 94 flickering

hope with the new gyurco code these things disapear

[shy bane]

gyurco code?

[full raven]

Gyurco made some fixes for translate the core to MiST

[limber atlas]

https://github.com/gyurco/NeoGeo_FPGA

[ocean phoenix]

I don’t have a MiST but that’s amazing to see Gyurco work on it! Everyone needs the warmth of Neo Geo in their lives.

[woeful wraith]

Sorgelig just committed: "Fix async clocks and latches (based on gyurco's changes)."

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/commit/90a8350c4e7fafb64067cf777b58a93bc7511fdc

So hopefully this will make the core more stable, and we will not see the random issues appearing with new builds 🙂

[limber atlas]

Good

Big changes

[south cloud]

The Neo Geo part seems OK, but the CD(Z) part have a regression.

Many flickering pixels on all my screens.

Quite visible on the CDZ BIOS intro, on the logo.

[woeful wraith]

Yes, seeing the same thing. Seems like the flickering pixels will also show up in-game for all cd titles i have tested,

[austere nymph]

Maybe it worth to compile it to see if it is related to auto build

[south cloud]

I've built the core too.

Same problem.

I'm filling an issue report now.

[limber atlas]

Share it here

@full raven

[south cloud]

My build (for testing and comparisons).

[limber atlas]

You have mist?

Maybe someone that owns a mist can test

[south cloud]

Only a MISTer.

[woeful wraith]

Tested a bunch of games now, only getting the flickering pixels in cd titles, not mvs/aes

just confirming what @south cloud said earlier

[green marten]

NGCD is fully folded into NG core now yes?

[limber atlas]

Yes

[green marten]

bingo thx

[austere nymph]

With the new unstable build still missing sound on stage 8 mexico of Aero Figther 2

[full raven]

Toya, the Core on MiST is Ok

Hello

just tested the Zet-Sensei build