Nintendo Virtual Boy

[sweet girder]

The ones that I know exist are red/cyan, blue/yellow, green/magenta, red/blue and red/green. The last two are not suitable for color graphics. Not sure if the color order could be reversed. The red/green ones should work very well with monochrome graphics, those are used for eye therapy as well, apparently.

[glad forge]

im doing experimental things to try to reduce it but the VIP doesnt' really make it easy

the red blue really does work though in situations where the parallax is reasonable

it's cool

[sweet girder]

The parallax might work well on a small monitor. No idea if the Virtual Boy has any parallax adjustment options in hardware or software, otherwise it would be complicated to adjust.

[glad forge]

in my video capture the high parallax works better, I can actually lock onto the distant parts

[sweet girder]

There were NES and Master System cores with 3D monitor support, they also had quite an extreme amount of depth.

[glad forge]

based on some questionable napkin math, I estimate at normal viewing-distance-to-screen-size viewing ratios, a parallax no greater than 12 pixels will be comfortable

[sweet girder]

Yeah, good point, you usually would be sitting closer to a smaller display.

[glad forge]

im going to do my best to make it adjustable

at least in coarse increments

[sweet girder]

Good luck, I hope it will be doable.

[glad forge]

it's almost there

[sweet girder]

Okay, well, that was fast 😄

[glad forge]

you can see some elements are collapsing

just not the pipes

[sweet girder]

Interesting, it indeed doesn't affect the background

[glad forge]

the background is complicated because rather than using normal rendering it just alters the memory fetch offsets

[sweet girder]

Adjusting the 3D effect to be closer or further away is easy to do, just adjust the l/r offset between the two images

Ah, okay

[glad forge]

oh, like I can just delay drawing of both by say, 30 pixels and use that buffer to shift the entire thing over?

[sweet girder]

Yes, that will pull the whole scene to the front or push it further back.

[glad forge]

hmm

does that really solve the 12 pixel problem though?

[sweet girder]

Only if your parallax adjustment would make the whole scene have an unwanted depth offset

[glad forge]

maybe that's the move is to split the difference between back and front

[sweet girder]

It is like adjusting where the depth is at the distance of your display (zero parallax)

If you could do that, that should work

[fossil blaze]

If it's an April Fools joke it's a pretty elaborate one since I was playing the core on my mister yesterday

[zealous sonnet]

The trick is that we're all in on it!

[fossil blaze]

Also in regards to 3D, is the De-10 nano evne possible of doing any sort of 3d signal over hdmi? I mean the kind that relied on either passive or active shutter glasses

[mint tide]

If you toggle a signal every frame and send that out USER_OUT[2] and display the left eye when that's 0 and right eye image when it's 1 the nes shutter glasses should work.

[fossil blaze]

Heh, both my tv and monitor are active shutter, but my monitor requires that nvidia ir emitter, which I also have but I assume that would be way too complicated to implement into mister

At least it would see some use since Nvidia yanked the 3d support outof their drivers a few years ago, making all this hardware worthless >.<

[mint tide]

I did make an adapter so you could the kind of glasses that use the 3.5mm plug and plug that into user port, but never released it

[sweet girder]

Support for 3D displays is just a matter of outputting both eyes side-by-side, above and below or interlaced. Normally for passive displays the latter two provide the best resolution, as they natively use interlaced 3D.

[glad forge]

electronash did that once with rad racer or something

thorugh some kind of sys hack

I think it worked not great

dawing an interlaced at 100hz?

[sweet girder]

Side-by-side is normally halved in width and over-under halved in height btw

[fossil blaze]

Active is different though, that alternates frames and the glasses block out the left or right eye each frame, timed to the tv with an ir signal

It allows for the resolution to stay the same as a full screen image, but makes the image darker and needs double the refresh rate

[glad forge]

virtual boy operates natively at 50hz, so you'd have to have 100hz signal to produce alternating frames

[fossil blaze]

Also more expensive hardware

Yeah, is the de-10 capapible if outputting 1080 at that refresh rate? Or even 720?

of*

Not even sure if a tv would accept a 100hz signal instead of 120

[zenith pendant]

In the UK TVs support 100hz

Although if they accept a native 100hz signal I don't know

[warm panther]

I know this isn't important right now, Kit, but if you're curious, it runs on a CRT, but the menu doesn't show up until you load a game. it's no sync until a game is loaded.

[spring sphinx]

I know there are monitors that accept those refresh rates.

[sweet girder]

I know, I was using active shutter glasses in the nineties with CRT displays. I would expect a 3D TFT display to be able to convert side-by-side, over-under and interlaced 3D.

[fossil blaze]

Supposedly mine does, I assume if it does that's standard
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/b69c37

[zenith pendant]

It may be the case that 100hz support is removed from US models of the same TVs we have in the UK and Europe, but maybe they stopped removing PAL based functionality like they used to in the past

[fossil blaze]

Mine is a US model

Well, it's the 40 inch version but I assume they have the same features

[zenith pendant]

Back in the day when you had the same model, the UK/EU version often supported 50 and 60hz so we had no issue with US DVDs but the US version removed 50hz functionality so would not display PAL content, but hopefully that stopped being a thing twenty years ago

[fossil blaze]

Yeah, that was mostly due to NTSC/PAL differences, I think those died around the HD era and HDMI

[zenith pendant]

Basically US consumers were screwed over

[sweet girder]

Are we talking about TFT displays with active shutter glasses? I'm pretty sure those generate the increased frame rate themselves. A 3D Blu-Ray player also doesn't output a high frame rate.

[fossil blaze]

Did 720p over component even have NTSC/PAL or was it just a global standard like modern hd over hdmi?

[fossil blaze]

Movies are generally 24fps though aren't they?

[zenith pendant]

1080 does have 50/60

[sweet girder]

Yes, exactly

[zenith pendant]

I am pretty sure 720 is the same and there isn't 720p/24

[fossil blaze]

I mean, double that and youa re still under 60hz, but the virtual boy operates at 50hz

So you would need at least 100hz for active 3d for virtual boy

[sweet girder]

Can an active 3D TFT display not convert a 3D side-by-side image?

[glad forge]

you can do every other frame

you'd just be viewing the vb at 25hz

[zenith pendant]

UK HDTV is still 1080i/50, so films are sped up 4%

[glad forge]

it would be right/left/right/left so likely flashing things wouldn't vanish

[fossil blaze]

I have played side-by-side on active displays, but I think it was my player software doing the conversion

[glad forge]

I dunno, alternating frames are pretty problematic

maybe someone smarter than me at hdmi can figure that out

[sweet girder]

Interesting. All my passive 3D displays have a 3D button where I can select what kind of layout the 3D source image has

[fossil blaze]

No idea if you can serve both frames at once to the tv at 50/60hz and have the tv display them at 100/120

Not like the virtual boy had too high a reslution to fit both images in a single hd frame

[fossil blaze]

Huh, I did have a passive monitor like that, but my active one can't just auto-convert a 2d signal like that

[sweet girder]

"Active 3D displays can convert Side-by-Side (SBS) input signals into Frame Sequential or Top/Bottom formats using dedicated hardware processors like the G901 UHD 3D format converter. These devices decode SBS signals into RH/LH output for passive displays or convert them into Frame Sequential output specifically required by active shutter 3D systems". Not sure if all of them can, but it does indeed exist.

[fossil blaze]

But again, no idea if there any any standard that says "You can serve both frames in a single X by X resolution image and the monitor/tv will split them into active frames"

Interesting, so there are standard that let them do exactl that, so the image can still be served at 60hz and not 120

Imean, my tv's input maxes out at 120 but it's display can do 240

[sweet girder]

Yes. I've used it in my own Unity projects on my 3D monitors and TV.

In this case I used half over/under

[fossil blaze]

Shame that 3d died, big part being every manufactuer wanting to push their own propitery format

including nvidia

[sweet girder]

I was at the largest broadcast conference in the Netherlands during the peak of 3D TVs. This was when I was working on implementing 3D functionality in the live TV Studio software that we developed where I worked then.

It was really cool to see what they were developing. Disney was one of the major players that killed it. It wouldn't allow TV stations to create 3D channels, for some reason.

[fossil blaze]

Of course

[sweet girder]

Yep. And now Disney is talking about buying Epic Games

[fossil blaze]

Feels like both Disney and Nintendo keep making a mess of things with their policies

.. didn't Disney LEAVE the videogame market a few years ago and sell off/close their dev studios?

[sweet girder]

They destroyed some good game studios, sadly

[fossil blaze]

Seems to be something they all do these days, EA anyone?

[sweet girder]

Split Second was a really cool game

RiP Criterion

[fossil blaze]

I thought VR might make 3D popular again, but VR itself has lost a lot of poularity

Hardware cost is just too high IMO, you also need a lot of physical space for it

[sweet girder]

The Quest is quite weak. Unfortunately we're switching to that at work, instead of desktop-based VR. I've heard that the underwhelming graphics are one part of why it is not taking off.

Personally I think it is also a bit unpractical and non-social. I work on VR training software, I think it is quite useful for that.

Yes, the needed space is one of the problems

[fossil blaze]

There are others, isn't the Index very popular?

[eternal tendon]

popular within the niche (ish)

I think Quest 2 / 3 have dominated overall

[fossil blaze]

Niche of what? People playing VR on their PC? Isn't that what quest is?

[eternal tendon]

I mean, I got a Quest 3 mostly to play on PC

and it does work well

[sweet girder]

The Index did well for a high end solution. The Quest is so much cheaper that most people choose that. I personally own an Index. I have Quest headsets from work (and HoloLens (2) headsets, now sadly discontinued).

I also have the PSVR 2, it is a shame that there aren't many good games for it

[fossil blaze]

Hololens.... ouch

MS isn't good at hardware lately are they?

[sweet girder]

The HoloLens was great for work support and education, not so much for gaming.

[fossil blaze]

Remember when the Surface was a giant $10000 touschreen table and not a tablet?

Yeah, people are rejecting AR because they don;'t understand it's not VR. Remember Google Glass? The public did it dirty

[sweet girder]

Yep, I've seen one next to a gigantic Wacom tablet, when visiting a customer, I didn't want to leave 😄

[fossil blaze]

Reminds me of how the Nintendo Museum has giant controllers that work, I wonder if they have a giant virtual boy XD

[sweet girder]

We have a safe full of Google Glass sets, they are pretty uncomfortable to use and not very pleasant to program for.

[fossil blaze]

IIRC they were unfinished hardware intended for devs to get a head start, but for some reason they decided to sell them to any consumer who wanted one... que news articles everywhere treating it like a finished retail product, and of course blasting it for being useless and lacking because it's unfinished hardware intended for devs

[sweet girder]

That would explain a lot

[fossil blaze]

And of course paranoia that they let you secretly spy on and record everyone and pirate movies and all sorts of other fake nonsense that instantly made everyone hate them

[sweet girder]

And now that is back with the Meta Ray Ban glasses 😄

[zenith pendant]

Newest build in the WIP DB. Also anyone using a tty2oled (all one of you) will now have your VB screen image

[fossil blaze]

Nice, I really want to get a tty2oled someday for mine, I would need to solder it into the breakout pins on my RTC right?

[sweet girder]

I have the tty2oled, I noticed the missing graphic, lol. It is fantastic in combination with MiSTer SAM

My tty2oled connects to USB

[fossil blaze]

Oh, I thought it needed the pins from the connector the rtc goes into

[sweet girder]

It does use a custom PCB, but soldering was easy

I even soldered all the pins, which turned out to not be needed, lol

No, it is a USB device

[fossil blaze]

ah

[sweet girder]

Really handy to see which game SAM is currently displaying

[fossil blaze]

With Virtual Boy how would you tell since they all have a warning screen at boot you have to press a button to get past? 😛

[sweet girder]

Haha, yeah, those are the kind of games that don't work well with SAM. It needs to go straight into a nice attract mode to work well.

[fossil blaze]

Shame that loading replay/tas files isn't a thing just abotu any core supports, other than a test on a nes core, that would make it a lot more interesting since it could load into the middle of a game being played and control said game

Like that NES screensaver, just... without there being 20 NES systems running at once

[sweet girder]

That would be really cool

[zenith pendant]

It uses the same "USB" connection that MT-32 Pi does, so you can't use both at once

[fossil blaze]

Oh, it uses the SNAC port?

[sweet girder]

No it doesn't, just a regular USB connection

It has a standard micro controller board that has a USB connector

[zenith pendant]

I thought it used the SNAC one... appologies, my bad there!

[sweet girder]

NP 🙂

For people in the US: https://www.ebay.com/itm/326120602471

[white gorge]

here is something I did several month ago. These are just test roms and showing just one screen but in 3D. I made that to see how these games would look on the VB. Unfortunately the roms do not work on the core yet.

[glad forge]

are those all public domain?

[white gorge]

yes

[glad forge]

okay

[zenith pendant]

That's not a bad price to save having to get all the parts and faff about with the arduino board and 3D print a case... maybe of interest to @warm panther

[glad forge]

hey is there anyone with real hardware and a flash cart that would be willing to get me some numbers?

this rom spits out some numbers, I'd like to know what they are for real hardware

[wind nest]

Sure

[glad forge]

I suspect rom reads are much too slow

but it would be great to have real hardware targets

[white gorge]

the only thing I do not have is a VB flash card XD

[glad forge]

how is that possible

[white gorge]

I wonder too

[glad forge]

is red viper the most accurate emulator?

[white gorge]

so far yes

[glad forge]

time to charge up my 3ds

I guess

[white gorge]

floogle made some huge improvemets with timings and so on

[wind nest]

It'll be a minute...

[glad forge]

im using the datasheets to try to figure out ram timings

[white gorge]

the screen version are nice

[zenith pendant]

Someone here definitely has a flash card as they were talking about it and rumble a few weeks ago...

[glad forge]

oh yeah I need to try that rumble demo

[zenith pendant]

Hopefully trivial to wire up to controller

[glad forge]

cool rumble works

I implemented it and forgot to test

[zenith pendant]

Hah, nice

Do the software emulators even support it?

[plucky idol]

I know that somebody had made a VB flash cart, but I understood them to be hard to obtain (except possibly or a brief period some time ago)

[warm panther]

they were on SAG recently I feel like

[glad forge]

thankfully @wind nest seems to be equipped with one

[lament steeple]

Speaking of Red Viper, it has a 4-colour palette setting for user configurable colours on I'm assuming are luma thresholds. Would love to see that for the core one day, really helps VB games look far less drab.

[plucky idol]

You say that you think ROM is too slow on your version - I wouldn't assume this; PC-FX accesses have more wait states. It runs at 21MHz and uses a gate array for address selection and wait state generation

I know for a fact that Mednafen runs way too fast because it assumes an always-full pipeline and no wait states due to cache misses

Proper V810 emulation is not easy

[glad forge]

well it's clear the games are running at like 25% speed and I dont know why

the most likely reason is memory access times for something

@wind nest I managed to get it from a different discord

[sweet girder]

That is a pretty big difference

[wind nest]

Got it here too, working from home 🤷‍♀️

VIP Memory seems to have a different value on my VB.

It seems the numbers change a bit each time it's started so I suppose that's fine.

[dark parcel]

I knew I liked you for a reason

[fossil blaze]

Does the tty2oled only support monochrome or can ot do color too?

[sweet girder]

tty2oled is monochrome

There's also a tty2tft project, with a color display

And there's a brand new project with a touch screen

[glad forge]

oh oops

I think I was applying a flat +3 wait states on top of everything except vram/dram

lower numbers are slower in that test

which means the wram (main system ram) is working at a fraction of the speed of the real system

that would explain the problem

that's just block ram so it's easily solvable

the rom is faster than the real system right now so that wont be a problem

hooray

[sweet girder]

Awesome! Glad it probably isn't something complicated

[fossil blaze]

I have an ancient vb flashcart that was hand made and does not support sram, would that not work for testing that speed profiler?

[glad forge]

it would but I already have what I need thanks 🙂

[fossil blaze]

Ok

[warm panther]

The quicker you get this figured out the quicker you can go back to real systems like the jaguar

[glad forge]

yeah

i'd like to have this mostly working by monday

it's distracting me

[zenith pendant]

Then the testing hordes can descend upon it...

[lavish wren]

Time to order some of those 3D glasses

[zealous sonnet]

Why bother with 3D glasses when we could just have a side by side image and cross our eyes all the time!?

[lavish wren]

That might give me a headache after a while

…so it’s probably good for an accurate experience

[white gorge]

well prepared

[lavish wren]

Not normally a fan of those light up keyboards, but that one looks nice. What is it?

[white gorge]

it was bundled with the pc. I hoped I can switch to one color only but no XD

[lavish wren]

❤️

[glad forge]

you can look at the pictures with red/blue glasses too and they work hehe

[buoyant vale]

I never got confirmation but I'm pretty sure they just bought that technology. Before phones had better touch screen tech like pinch to zoom, I saw an early version of a table that was basically the Surface and that was the first time I'd ever seen anybody show off pinch to zoom. They also used two fingers to tilt the screen view etc.

Then later wouldn't you know it Microsoft had the Surface that was the same thing

[glad forge]

does this work with your yellow/blue?

[sweet girder]

For some reason these images look incredibly dark on my PC

[glad forge]

they are

[sweet girder]

Ah, I'll throw it in Photoshop and test then

[sweet girder]

Yes, this works perfectly, I see no cross-talk. I forgot how odd anaglyph looks.

These glasses filter a lot better than I'm used to with the red/cyan ones

[glad forge]

yeah that really does seem like the better color scheme

I guess it's called ColorCode versus Anaglyph

folor the colored lens style it seems like hte three are Anaglyph, TrioScopics, and ColorCode

[zealous sonnet]

Now I wish I had a pair of 3D glasses lying around!

[glad forge]

they're pretty cheap on amazon

[zealous sonnet]

Just any old pair of red blue ones work well with it?

[glad forge]

red/cyan

red/blue is like from the 70s

[plucky idol]

More like the 50s

[glad forge]

fair

[plucky idol]

In the 70s, they used polarized light (and lenses)

[glad forge]

I wasn't sure

disney did

I remember the little film with the 3d dragon

actually wasn't it song of the south?

I distinctly remember seeing uncle remus at disneyworld as a child

[plucky idol]

Not sure. There was a mini-boom around the time of Jaws 3D

[sweet girder]

I'm curious how well red/green ones would work, as then you're filtering two of the primary colors of the monitor.

[glad forge]

you then have one rogue third of the color wheel

[sweet girder]

The graphics of the Virtual Boy are monochrome, so that wouldn't be a problem

red, green and yellow for the overlapping parts

[glad forge]

well you can just pick whatever you want if you can find glasses

[sweet girder]

I saw those online, including at Ali Express. Apparently used for print and eye therapy.

[sweet girder]

Fantastic!

[glad forge]

it's a pretty low effort addition

[sweet girder]

Looking at the pinball game, for instance, I think adjusting depth properly is going to be nearly impossible.

The effort is very much appreciated

[charred cobalt]

I ordered a pair of glasses and will check it the 3D stuff when they arrive

[sweet girder]

It does indeed say 'ColorCode' on my yellow/blue glasses, I see now. From 3dglassesonline.com, if that still exists

[glad forge]

here's yellow/blue for you

[heavy lance]

looks great

[glad forge]

the paralax is kinda too much in the back

[sweet girder]

The depth looks fine on my 23 inch monitor. Slight cross-talk from yellow to blue, but that can be expected with such a bright color.

[glad forge]

that's with most of the elemenths set to 12 pix cap

I just have to figure out how to get the background to comply with that

[sweet girder]

You could pull the whole scene forward a little bit, by shifting left and right relatively to each other, should you have space to do that without clipping. EDIT: Though that would move the UI away from the screen depth, which would make it less readable.

[lavish wren]

Super cool to see all this discussion about getting the 3D effect working as well as possible 🙏

[glad forge]

I tried that but it doesn't really work

[sweet girder]

I love how interactively this core is being developed at such a high speed

[lavish wren]

Kit is on 🔥

[sweet girder]

Ah okay. What does it look like?

[glad forge]

like that

[sweet girder]

Actually that looks a lot easier on my eyes

[glad forge]

odd, it doesnt work at all for me with red/cyan

[sweet girder]

That is indeed odd

[glad forge]

well anyway both the depth and the overlap are adjustable

[sweet girder]

This is what I used for the live tv studio software at work back in the day and that worked well. I even added an option to slightly squash the images to avoid clipping

[sweet girder]

Awesome

Then we discovered that the expensive '3D converter' box, that we borrowed from a major TV station simply pushed the whole 2D image back a little bit in 3D and let your brain generate the 3D depth 😄

[glad forge]

I think it has to just be adjustable

viewing distance and screen size matter

[sweet girder]

Yeah, you'd have to be able to adjust it per game as well

[glad forge]

for games like wario just the regular setting works great

[sweet girder]

MiSTer is gearing up to be the best Virtual Boy

[glad forge]

wario is nice about it

these are the TriOViz glasses

https://www.amazon.com/INFICOLOR-3D-Compatible-Assassins-Revelations/dp/B005UZB7KM

[zealous sonnet]

Those look green and red?

[sweet girder]

Yeah, that is a pretty subtle depth effect

[glad forge]

green and magenta

magenta is between red and blue

typically 3d glasses are between 2 colors in one lens and 1 primary in the other

[sweet girder]

Green/magenta, the only other possibility for full color. The marketing names for it are funny.

[glad forge]

so you'll get red/cyan (between blue and green), yellow (between red and green) and blue, and magenta (between red and blue) and green

[sweet girder]

Magenta is the opposite (complementary) color of green

[lavish wren]

Looks like I need to buy more glasses 😅

[sweet girder]

CMY are the primary subtractive color mixing (print) colors

[zealous sonnet]

Was looking at these ones.
https://www.amazon.com/BIAL-Red-Blue-Glasses-Anaglyph-Game-Extra/dp/B01ANJXCU2

Holy, that is a long url.

[wind nest]

I have that pair, they work well over my prescription glasses.

[lavish wren]

I’m going with the fact that not wearing my regular glasses might blur out any issues with the colours not overlapping just right

[glad forge]

the blue/yellow is so subtle you can almost just leave it on

[sweet girder]

I can wear the paper ones over my reading glasses

[lavish wren]

It also helps with achieving the accurate headache effect of original hardware

[sweet girder]

There are clip on ones as well

[glad forge]

I can do better than nintendo

[wind nest]

That's a good point. My eyes don't like to focus on the same plane though, lots of headaches, so I prefer to wear the glasses.

[glad forge]

HOLD MY BEER

[white wolf]

Tell me what you end up going with, if anything

[sweet girder]

I wonder what the world will look like after gaming for an hour, wearing these glasses. I think everything will look anaglyph in reverse.

[sweet girder]

WHICH ONE OF THE TWO?

[lavish wren]

I bought the cheap cardboard ones cos the plastic ones I saw had bad reviews and I figured I could bend them around my glasses better - or just cut out the lenses and stick them on top

[sweet girder]

Strangely the paper ones often filter better

Just like the cheap polarized ones can be better than the expensive ones, because their lenses are flat

[lavish wren]

MiSTer discord when the core hits update_all

[sweet girder]

LOL

A sudden surge in the sales of anaglyph 3D glasses

[glad forge]

the cyan one

[sweet girder]

Okay, thanks 😄

[lavish wren]

Changed my profile pic in honour of the VB core

[sweet girder]

Hahaha

[warm panther]

What glasses am I buying

[spring sphinx]

We can choose the colors, right?

[glad forge]

the point is you can buy any color combo

yes

I think yellow/blue is likely the best

they will all work though

[zealous sonnet]

I couldn't find any yellow/blue ones on Amazon.

[glad forge]

probably yellow/blue > magenta/green > red/cyan

[lavish wren]

Same here, which is why I went with red/cyan

[spring sphinx]

I'm picking the green and magenta one, since it would probably be easier on my eyes.

[lavish wren]

eBay probably has some though

[sweet girder]

Yellow blue filters well. Red green apparently should work well because the colors have equal brightness and the graphics are monochrome anyway.

[glad forge]

our color perception is uneven

[sweet girder]

True

I'd love to compare all variations

[glad forge]

the same luma of red isnt really equivilent to cyan

I ordered all three

[sweet girder]

That's right

Nice

[glad forge]

the yellow/blue ones arent prime though

[sweet girder]

They do look slightly off

[glad forge]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0036JPY08

[sweet girder]

Both yellow and blue look like slightly more red than the pure colors would be

[warm panther]

I need to know when the core will be done

[lavish wren]

I can find red/green and red/cyan on AliExpress but not yellow/blue

[sweet girder]

The core will be finished on monday 😄

[lavish wren]

April 8th might be too late 😉

[glad forge]

the red cyan ones are stupid cheap and easy to get

you can use any of them

[lavish wren]

Kit’s core is probably generating more hype than Nintendo did with the original hardware 😂

[warm panther]

I need the ones that will look best when I am filming a front-facing camera video in my pickup truck

[zealous sonnet]

I'll probably just try the ones I posted earlier and see how they go.

[lavish wren]

They will be glorious. I believe in you

[zealous sonnet]

And more than the NSO VB!

[lavish wren]

It’ll probably be better…

(This core, I mean)

[zealous sonnet]

I mean, you can play it on your TV, so it's already better even in its current state!

[lavish wren]

Damn, now I need to figure out what controller to buy

[zealous sonnet]

N64 controller works great.

[warm panther]

I bought an 8bitdo light

[charred cobalt]

Use a N64 controller

[warm panther]

lite?

lite

[lavish wren]

No core is complete without a new controller. It’s a MiSTer law

N64 sounds like a good shout though - except for the fact I’m using a tribute 64 and the d-pad is the worst thing ever

[zealous sonnet]

I do have an actual Virtual Boy, so I could do what Robby did and convert my controller.

[white gorge]

VB Controller Kickstarter when

[sweet girder]

https://3dstereo.com/collections/anaglyph-glasses here they only have blue yellow in a plastic frame

[spring sphinx]

You could get away with any typical dual stick setup tbh

[lavish wren]

M30 it is

[zealous sonnet]

You could set it up so the Y,Z,B, and C buttons are like a makeshift d-pad!

[lavish wren]

That would be the most awful setup ever. I love it

[glad forge]

normally I would have waited for this to be closer to working, but april fools came early

[white gorge]

you just like the pressure

[mint tide]

looking good

[glad forge]

@wind nest can you run this rom and get me a snap of both pages?

[zealous sonnet]

Kitrinx unleashed the beast. And there is no going back now!

[lavish wren]

We are Virtual Boys now

[spring sphinx]

Wish there was a game similar to Virtual-On on the Virtual Boy. The dual D-pad configuration would work with that.

[covert pasture]

I can't believe this, didn't expect it to work in 3D too. Already ordered glasses, can't wait!

@glad forge do you have a patreon or anything to donate to?

[glad forge]

no

[covert pasture]

What's the best way to show our appreciation?

[lavish wren]

||Get rid of any CRTs you own||

[covert pasture]

I don't own any 😄

[glad forge]

I dunno, being positive and having fun?

[covert pasture]

You are a legend

[wind nest]

Sure, I'll get it set up again

[glad forge]

[wind nest]

Probably as legible as it will get.

[glad forge]

that's fantastic, there's two pages

[wind nest]

I scrolled down, just a moment

[glad forge]

thanks so much, that's so useful

[wind nest]

Would have been kind of neat to put one page per lens

[spring sphinx]

Legit kind of excited to play Virtual Boy using the 3D. I've never bothered to play these games in the intended way.

[glad forge]

Mnemonic  | Form      | Opcode | RealVB |
ADD       | Immediate | 051E   | 1      |
ADD       | Register  | 051F   | 1      |
ADDF.S    |           | 8F5C   | 22     |
ADDI      |           | 051E   | 1      |
AND       |           | 051E   | 1      |
ANDI      |           | 051E   | 1      |
CLI       |           | 3D70   | 12     |
CMP       | Immediate | 0A3D   | 1      |
CMP       | Register  | 051F   | 1      |
CMPF.S    |           | 3333   | 7      |
CVT.SW    |           | 47AD   | 14     |
CVT.WS    |           | 51EB   | 8      |
DIV       |           | C28F   | 38     |
DIVF.S    |           | E147   | 44     |
DIVU      |           | B8F7   | 36     |
LDSR      |           | 28F6   | 8      |
MOV       | Immediate | 051E   | 1      |
MOV       | Register  | 051E   | 1      |
MOVEA     |           | 051E   | 1      |
MOVHI     |           | 051E   | 1      |
MPYHW     |           | 2E14   | 9      |
MUL       |           | 428E   | 13     |
MULF.S    |           | 9998   | 26     |
MULU      |           | 428F   | 13     |
NOT       |           | 051F   | 1      |
OR        |           | 051E   | 1      |
ORI       |           | 051E   | 1      |
REV       |           | 70A3   | 22     |
SAR       | Immediate | 051F   | 1      |
SAR       | Register  | 051E   | 1      |
SEI       |           | 3D70   | 12     |
SETF      |           | 051E   | 1      |
SHL       | Immediate | 051F   | 1      |
SHL       | Register  | 051E   | 1      |
SHR       | Immediate | 051F   | 1      |
SHR       | Register  | 051E   | 1      |
STSR      |           | 28F5   | 8      |
SUB       |           | 051F   | 1      |
SUBF.S    |           | 8F5C   | 28     |
TRNC.SW   |           | 47AD   | 13     |
XB        |           | 1EB8   | 6      |
XH        |           | 051E   | 1      |
XOR       |           | 051E   | 1      |
XORI      |           | 051E   | 1      |

[wind nest]

Good thing the camera isn't on for Teams 😹

[lavish wren]

You're doing valuable work, don't let anyone tell you otherwise 😉

[glacial turret]

Personally, if I’m using the Virtual Boy on MiSTer, I’d want it in 2D. If I want the 3D, I have my VB NSO unit and my Switch 2

[zealous sonnet]

I need to dig out my Virtual Boy and see if it still works. I'd assume that it doesn't.

[lavish wren]

Looking at one of the screenshots above, I assume you could just set the depth to 0% and 0px overlap, or only render one of the eyes if you only wanted it in 2D

(or something like that)

[glad forge]

those are great screenshots. I was trying to work off this one before

[wind nest]

Oof

[glad forge]

computer... zoom and enhance

[wind nest]

I had to take off the eyeshade to get a legible image.

[glad forge]

your eyeshade is very decorative

[wind nest]

My amazing partner used the original as a pattern and made it for me.

[glad forge]

I wish i had skill at making pretty things like that

[wind nest]

It's all practice, you demonstrably have another set of skills a lot of us would love to have!

[limpid junco]

Grabulosaure added 3D side-by-side mode to NES and SMS cores and it worked great. Pretty much any 3D display other than the very earliest ones can take side-by-side and convert it to whatever 3D mode it needs natively (passive, active-shutter, etc) because those were broadcast standards designed to work OTA and cable without any additional metadata. It was up to the end user to push the "3D" button. Electronash last year added similar functionality (based on Grabulosaure's work) to a MegaDrive core. It's not complicated- just shove both eyes into a single framebuffer with the proper squeezed aspect ratio. The only "hacky" issue is the OSD won't look right when you switch on 3D on your tv because it's split and shifted across each eye.

[fossil blaze]

I think I'll wait for the dust to settle before deciding which glasses to get. ||If they will even work for me anymore with my now really blurry left eye||

[blazing dome]

Yeah I was going to go with the red/cyan until I saw Kitrinx mention the other colors might be better.

[glad forge]

binocular vision required

[spring sphinx]

I'm one of those people sensitive to eye straining, which is why I figured the green and magenta glasses might be easier on my eyes compared to red and blue.

[ancient sage]

I was reading old comments and about to paste almost the exact same. Links to Grabulosaure talking about the cores a day or two ago. #dev-talk message #dev-talk message. Both NES and SMS had dedicated hardware for generating 3D sync signals to work with CRT and alternated left and right so 30Hz per eye on NTSC. On my 3D projectors I can force them into 3D mode and select either of Side-by-side and top-bottom. If the image is formatted correctly it will work and setup the dlp link to work with active glasses. No changes in the actual hdmi signal are needed. It is limited in max Hz though. I think it needs to be limited to 60Hz which would limit it to 30 Hz per eye so it would alternately throw out half of the screen.

[glad forge]

yah I remember that

I think he had to modify sys to do it

[sweet girder]

I mentioned the 3D NES and SMS cores here, they work perfectly on my 3D displays. I still have a pair of SMS shutter glasses that I used in the nineties with my Amiga.
Later on I had PC shutter glasses that could be used with higher frequencies (on a CRT), back when NVidia drivers could still make regular 3D games stereoscopic.

For side-by-side, the images are squashed to half width and for over-under they are squashed to half height. For passive displays, over-under and interlaced provide the best quality.

A nice thing about passive 4K displays is that they can show 3D Blu-Rays without resolution loss, as those only have a resolution of 1920x1080.

[covert pasture]

Is there any quality, in terms of visuals, difference between these cardboard ones compared to plastic ones? I wear glasses so cardboard ones are easier to use for that, but I'd like to buy a nice set if there was any actual difference.

Would be using it on a standard 4k HD TV

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B09PKS9K3V?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image

[lavish wren]

#1056040100141735986 message

maybe stick with the cardboard ones?

(I ordered the ones you linked to)

[limpid junco]

I just tried his old NES and SMS 3D cores and they still work fine with the most recent Main (no .ini shenanigans). It's got to be at least as simple as supporting anaglyph since there's no blending required, just scaling.

[sweet girder]

I have one with a plastic frame somewhere that filters worse than the paper ones I have. In theory the plastic ones should be better.

I just came across a red/blue (not cyan) pair that was supposed to work especially well with monitors.

I'm also looking at reviews to find out which ones should work well.

[glad forge]

this is really a fun system to work on

so much better than atari

atari consoles always feel like im stringing stuff up with toothpicks and bubble gum, but that's how they were really designed

[valid heart]

Gotta respect Gunpei Yokoi and his team’s engineering capabilities

[dark parcel]

wait wait, we are buying 3D glasses now?

I already love this core if we can use glasses 😄

[lavish wren]

We are Anaglyph people now

[dark parcel]

Cult of Kitrinx

To get into the club you must own anaglyph glasses

[glad forge]

I'm a ColorCode girl myself

[spring sphinx]

Is it possible for a red/cyan girl and a green/magenta boy to be in a relationship?

[warm panther]

Only if their astrological signs are in retrograde simultaneously

[glad forge]

Mixed color relationships are okay these days

[fossil blaze]

🎶 She was a red/cyan girl, he was a green/magenta boy, can I make it any more obvious? 🎶

[glacial turret]

It’s the American way

[glad forge]

improving

[zealous sonnet]

It's moving that it's improving. 🥹

[haughty badger]

https://tenor.com/view/george-costanza-panic-move-omg-seinfeld-gif-8069321

[valid heart]

The power of the mango

[zealous sonnet]

Oh wow, my 3D glasses already arrived. The blue/cyan lens does an excellent job of filtering out the red, but the red lens isn't doing a great job of filtering out the cyan on the current build of the core, so it's looking a bit awkward on my end.

I wonder if being able to tweak the brightness of each color would help.

[white wolf]

Saving me money

[zenith pendant]

Anyone found a good paid on Amazon UK?

[cursive tulip]

No, but you can get a pack of 10 paper ones for 66p from Aliexpress. Good enough for me. Even get the plastic ones for about a quid!

[cursive tulip]

Did anyone have one of these back in the day? Did it not give you a headache playing games on it wearing 3d glasses? 🙂

[wind nest]

I still have one, I don't find the Virtual Boy any more headache inducing than any other 3D approximation I've ever tried.

[buoyant vale]

You didn't wear 3d glasses for virtual boy

Also don't forget you can emulate VB on Quest

Possibly other VR headsets

[forest moon]

Worst part was the body posture to play on a desk. I ended up playing the VB by lying in bed with the headset resting on my face 😆

[wispy grotto]

Have you tried the 3ds VB emulator? How does it compare to VR?

[buoyant vale]

I only have a 2DS and I'm not a big handheld person

VR works great though

[zealous sonnet]

I used to play VB for hours at a time back in the day and never had any problems at all. Looking at 3D content has never bothered me. The real world is 3D after all!

[buoyant vale]

3D content doesn't bother me but the VB screen had issues lol

I finally tried one at a gaming expo last year

[white wolf]

People complained about 3ds 3d and I always had it cranked max no problem

[zealous sonnet]

Same. I never have that slider turned down.

[charred cobalt]

I turned it down/off mostly to get games running at 30 fps instead of 10

[spring sphinx]

I think the Virtual Boy would of been automatically better if it had a strap instead of a stand.

Like part of the problem is that trying to lean into the system can hurt your neck and back after a long period.

[buoyant vale]

How heavy is it though

[spring sphinx]

Ideally there should be a counterweight to it. Several VR headsets have one to prevent your head from tipping.

[buoyant vale]

Yeah you'd need one

Then you'd be .25 inches shorter every time you played

[blazing dome]

@glad forge what font do you use for MiSTer? I liked it in the screen shots of the menu you've been sharing. 😀

[glad forge]

gosh it's been like 8 years since I set it, let me look

font=font/Misc_Gujaratic.pf

[blazing dome]

Cool thank you!

[covert pasture]

When do we think this will be added to the update all? I like to wait for that to try cores. Not expecting it just yet, just didn't know how long it takes to make it on there once it's in development 🙂

[quick mesa]

6/7 🙂

[still bear]

What is this in reality? I hate April Fool

I also hate tying/

*typing

Is this thing an April Fool's joke?

I got it from the WIP Database.

[spring sphinx]

A Virtual Boy core, albeit a WIP one that barely works. It's being worked on though.

[still bear]

Don't even try Red Alarm or VB Wario Land?

Or any commercial game?

[heavy lance]

Wario Land works , but it's very slow

[glad forge]

im working on it

all the slowness is something artificial as a timing quirk but im struggling to figure out what

I think it has to do with how I do vip rendering

[hushed flume]

Niw I wonder, will robby do his additional homework and write a full review conparing his nintendo consumer victim gets and the core?

[lament steeple]

I would not expect a joke to ever actually be added to the WIP database, or any other core repo.

[zenith pendant]

Even as the early joke version with no image but game audio, it worked better than some of the cores in the WIP DB 😉

[zenith pendant]

If anyone here wants the VB manuals and read them on the VB core then just chuck this .ini in /media/fat and run the update script

There it is as a zip which may be easier for people to download

[pallid grotto]

I bought red/blue 3d glasses on Amazon today

never thought I'd say that again

[hazy bough]

You can have manual’s loaded up on Mister?

[valid heart]

Yes. The PDF reader is pretty unstable, but it works

[zenith pendant]

Just bring up OSD within a core and select Help and you can load pdfs and images

[hazy bough]

That’s pretty cool I didn’t know it could do that sort of stuff.

[zenith pendant]

Yeah, it is a really nice feature that most people don't know about and hasn't been well utilised. Kremling and I are working on some DBs for console manuals that will be rolling out soon, which is a nice usecase for it and hopefully more people will use it

[pallid grotto]

Didn't know about that either

[zenith pendant]

Hopefully news of its exhistence will spread more widely soon

[pallid grotto]

So how's it work, is it something you can look at while a rom is loaded, or the manual is acting like a rom?

Guess what I'm really asking: Do I have to leave the game to look at it

[zenith pendant]

If you are playing a game and can pause it, and bring up the OSD then you can load up manual then close it and go back into your game

[lament steeple]

I tried the PDFs with the jaguar core, and every one I opened immediately segfaulted and closed. Stability is definitely something that has to be looked at.

[zenith pendant]

Yeah, hopefully stability can be improved. If when you load one up you wait 10 seconds before going through the pages it is more stable. Up and Down go through the pages incidentally (not Left and Right currently)

[hazy bough]

That’s pretty awesome I will have to give it a try

Would be nice to see snes and nes console manuals like that aswell

[valid heart]

I'm working on that, but that's about 2000 manuals so it'll be a while lol

[valid heart]

Yeah the stability is really bad. Best recommendation is to wait 20-30 seconds before moving to the next page for the manual to fully load properly. I know that's far from ideal, but that's the best suggestion atm

I really hope the PDF viewer can be better stabilized. It's a really cool feature

[hazy bough]

Haha nice!

[glad forge]

these colors kinda work better than 60 degree ones

[zealous sonnet]

I'm sure it's just the lens on my glasses, but man the red lens does a pretty bad job of filtering out the cyan.

[lavish wren]

Probably not the best example, but I just tested it out on my phone screen (OLED, so good blacks) and with the cheap anaglyph glasses and it looks perfect to me

[warm panther]

i will never read that word right

[lavish wren]

But yeah, I’m getting the same thing as you. Cyan filters everything perfectly, Red has a little bit of cross-talk - but on Kit’s most recent image it’s not that bad at all

If everything looked as good as that screenshot it would definitely be more than playable for me

For @zealous sonnet, I wonder if red-green would look better through your glasses (and mine?) rather than red/cyan

[zealous sonnet]

Possibly. I believe Kitrinx mentioned that yellow blue might be the best option? I'll wait though until more people test different colors before I buy another pair of glasses. The ones I have work well enough for now at least. Thankfully they were cheap.

[glad forge]

I think they are all so-so

[lavish wren]

Good luck trying to find the glasses though. The red/cyan ones are everywhere 🙂

I think with a bit of tweaking of the intensity etc, you can probably get a good experience. The last image looked really nice

[zealous sonnet]

I wonder if lowering the brightness/intensity of the cyan would help.

[spring sphinx]

My green/magenta 3D glasses should arrive today.

[sweet girder]

There are red/green ones on AliExpress

Also here https://www.rainbowsymphony.com/collections/3d-glasses

And here https://3dstereo.com/collections/anaglyph-glasses

[pallid grotto]

TIL there are more than red/blue 3d glasses

So I should cancel that order and get a red/green then?

[sweet girder]

We don't know yet if there's a color combination that works best.

[warm panther]

and even when we figure that out

it's still virtual boy

[glad forge]

I can really do anything in the end

the VB is complicated in some ways, especially it's video processing

the thing im stuck on right now is the VIP chip which is basically the PPU for the virtual boy

the timing and behavior of it is loosely understood, and all the emulators have really high level implementations of it that aren't really cycle accurate or viable on hardware

so I have to figure out how to do the rendering in a hardware accurate way that actually is fast enough when you have to respect real memory timing and real clocks

that's why it's so slow right now, it's not the cpu or the clocks or the timers, it's the vip taking too long to render a frame

[plucky idol]

Is there one particular aspect which is the slowest ?

[glad forge]

the XP rendering of strips

it does a ton of dram reads and cache writes

it's documented that the VIP has two strip caches, which I use block ram for

but it also does extensive DRAM fetches, since the timing is unknown, I narrow the inaccuracies by enforcing the timing of the real DRAM part since we have datasheets for that

but I think both the DRAM controller and the rendering itself must have been much more parallel somehow

it's possible the strip caches were dual port or something

[plucky idol]

I see

[spring sphinx]

My 3D glasses came in.

[spring sphinx]

With these 3D glasses, I can see the depth in this Panic Bomber screenshot. Like the bomb sticks out more from the frame.

[zealous sonnet]

Kitrinx has single handedly created a spike in the sales of 3D glasses. Time to invest!

[lavish wren]

She already had shares

[zealous sonnet]

Insider trading!

[glad forge]

I'm rich now

[lavish wren]

If you close each eye, one at a time, do you get cross talk?

Also thanks for including the URL in the picture so we can all buy some

[spring sphinx]

I don't see any on the green side, but I do see it on the magenta side a little bit.

[zealous sonnet]

Same as mine then.

[lavish wren]

Thanks. You just saved me the price of a coffee

[zealous sonnet]

Except mine are red/blue. The blue (cyan) lens filters out the red very well. But the red lens doesn't do a great job of it.

[lavish wren]

I have faith

https://tenor.com/view/believe-motivation-ted-lasso-jason-sudeikis-trendizisst-gif-3529704266728728998

[blazing dome]

I bought some too!

[glacial turret]

Wait….those look familiar….

[fossil blaze]

the virtual boy core actually looks terrible on my tv because all the black exposes my damaged screen XD

[glad forge]

im sorry that you broke your tv

it's too bad they never made a Super Virtual Boy, eh?

[spring sphinx]

We could of had another shade of red!

[glad forge]

I mean I coudl add palettes but they will look terrible

[warm panther]

WHAT COLOR IS WARIOLAND’S SKY

[glad forge]

black

like my soul

[lament steeple]

red viper does 4 color palettes, and they look quite good with the right combinations

[warm panther]

I’d call it more “Obsidian Shadow” myself

but whatever, agree to disagree

[glad forge]

I can add gbp loading, it's not hard

[white wolf]

Can I suggest save states up front for the cheater community?

[valid heart]

The color palettes would make Red Alarm more playable as you’d be able to more easily distinguish where the surfaces are

[lavish wren]

Play the game as Miyamoto intended - the game’s not supposed to be playable

[glad forge]

you can suggest anything you want, but maybe lets think about making the core work well first

[white wolf]

I mention it mostly in jest 😅 I don't know if there are any games that would actually benefit from it and I know it's usually talked about as something that has to be considered early in core development

[valid heart]

Teleroboxer would benefit by save scumming bc the game is hard af

But there are cheats for Teleroboxer so it’s probably not necessary, if cheats were eventually supported

[fossil blaze]

Oh it was already broken, the core just makes it more obvious because so much of the screen is pitch black, it's only noticable when the screen is technically on but not displaying anyything

Supposedly the screen is de-laminting, fun

[sweet girder]

Hurray for self-destructing electronics 😐

[glad forge]

are you talking about virtualboy, the jaguar, or the tv?

[sweet girder]

I guess that would be all of them

[daring vault]

Tried this WIP Virtual Boy core out, and while the 3D effect wasn't all that convincing from my TV screen when using my red/cyan 3D glasses, that picture looks absolutely perfect. I really notice the 3D effect when viewing the image up close.

[glad forge]

It could use some tweaking

It will need settings because viewing distance matters

Right now my focus is getting it playable and it takes a while, the bells and whistles can be rapid

[daring vault]

I suppose, but it's like a night and day difference for me. Even viewing it from far away, I still notice the 3D popping out.

That's fair, btw.

[glad forge]

Big rocks first

[zealous sonnet]

Take your time. We VB fans are a patient bunch!

[daring vault]

Of course! 👍

I also tried out that Test Chamber homebrew game on this core, and while the graphics are gonna be glitchy obviously due to this core's early state, I'm surprised that I got it to run without it crashing. It's fun messing around in it.

[zealous sonnet]

It's always fun to test out early builds of cores and see how they progress over time. One of my favorite things to do on MiSTer.

[zenith pendant]

I am curious what all these homebrew/demos actually are, will be fun to explore once the core is a bit further along

[daring vault]

Check this out. If you haven't seen it, it'll blow your socks off.
https://youtu.be/u8aCWv88mXs?si=vFO5sZPoAjRwtp4r

[swift holly]

More interesting is the upcoming release of zero racers by Nintendo for the eshop service in summer. I'm sure the rom will be dumped fast and released and we can play this lost game on the core

[zenith pendant]

If it was made to run on original hardware then that would be neat

[valid heart]

Yeah Zero Racers, D-Hopper and Bound High were 3 games that were completely finished for the Virtual Boy. They each had an ESRB rating and even their manuals were done (would love to find those), but Nintendo of Japan pulled the plug on the Virtual Boy in the US just before they could be released to focus all their efforts on competing with the PS1 as this was around early 1996

[zealous sonnet]

Yeah, as far as I know, both Zero Racers and D-Hopper have never been dumped?

Bound High was though.

[valid heart]

They will be this year

[zealous sonnet]

Yeah, I've been looking forward to it. Always wanted to play them.

[spring sphinx]

Apparently D-Hopper had the name change from Dragon Hopper because the copyrighted name got picked up by someone else?

[zealous sonnet]

It will always be Dragon Hopper to me!

[valid heart]

Afaik the dump of Bound High is like 99% complete, but not 100%. I hope Nintendo dumps the fully complete Bound High. It's sort of like a Star Fox 2 situation in that the game leaked, but it wasn't complete and then Nintendo released the official 100% one later. Hope that's the case with Bound High

[zealous sonnet]

It probably will be.

[lavish wren]

I will play every official game ever released when the VB core is done. You have my word 🫡

[zealous sonnet]

Won't take long!

[lavish wren]

Shhh

[zealous sonnet]

I own 8 games, and that's a shockingly high percentage of the library.

[valid heart]

Yes that's right. But I like to pretend that it's because Nintendo is paying respects to Dennis Hopper by calling it D-Hopper as he was the original Bowser in the 1993 movie

https://tenor.com/view/koopa-super-mario-bros-movie-dennis-hopper-plumber-i'll-kill-him-gif-17442369100440739434

[lavish wren]

Like 1/3 of the library? 😅

(Worldwide)

[valid heart]

There were only 14 NA games

[zealous sonnet]

Still have them all complete with their boxes and inserts. Except for Mario Tennis which was packed with the system and didn't have a box.

[valid heart]

They discontinued the VB in 1995 in Japan and NA got 2 games released in 1996: 3D Tetris and Nester's Funky Bowling. The 3 cancelled games mentioned above were going to be the final wave in NA as it sold pretty decently in that region

[zealous sonnet]

Yep, I have both 3D Tetris and Nester's Funky Bowling. I needed my VB fix still!

I was honestly pretty sad when they discontinued it, because I played mine a lot and really enjoyed it. But I get why it failed.

[lavish wren]

I told the story on here before, but I almost ended up with a virtual boy rather than a PS1 😅

That would have been a weird timeline for me

[valid heart]

My mom bought me an R-Zone. I remember playing it briefly and thought it was kinda crappy and forgot about it for decades. Then I saw the AVGN talk about it being the worst console ever and it made me laugh

[lavish wren]

Although tbf I’d have had an N64 too.

I saw a VB in a shop over here (it wasn’t even released over here so it must have been crazy expensive and impossible to get any games) - asked my parents if I could have one and they said yes, but either that or a PS1, because they thought the VB was an add-on to the N64. So I’d have had N64+VB, or a PS1

In the end I picked PS1 because that’s what all my friends had and it seemed a bit “cooler”, and I feel glad for my parents that they didn’t waste their money on the VB, because it really would have been impossible to get any games for

So the VB has always had a weird intrigue for me - however I’ve never actually bothered to fire up an emulator. MiSTer will be my first experience

So I’m actually really hyped for this core

[zealous sonnet]

I have Red Viper installed on both of my 3DS's. But I rarely fire it up because I struggle with handhelds these days.

[lavish wren]

I don’t own a 3DS, just a New 2DS XL

[valid heart]

Yeah I was an N64 kid and it's still my favorite console. Still love the PSX. I was really into Sonic as a kid and knew all about the Genesis and the Dreamcast, but never owned a Sega console. I didn't even know the Saturn existed unitl the early 2010s. That's how little impact it had in the US which is crazy to me

[zealous sonnet]

I was spoiled rotten, so I had a 3DO, Saturn, N64, and PS1 from that gen!

Though to be fair, I actually bought the Saturn, N64, and PS1 with my own money that I earned.

[valid heart]

Yeah I didn't read the magazines like Nintendo Power and the like back in the day. I just went off TV commercials and word of mouth from friends so a lot of these consoles I didn't even know existed

[lavish wren]

tbf I think if I’d really asked my parents would have gotten me both - but they said “pick one” and I respected that 😅

[lavish wren]

I was a sega kid (but skipped the Saturn for the PS1, loved the Dreamcast though) - so the MiSTer has been my chance to experience the Nintendo library

It’s been a lot of fun playing the plumber games for the first time

[valid heart]

Yeah I was a hardcore Nintendo kid with the SNES and N64. I became obsessed with Pokemon as I was the perfect age for it. I didn't even look to other consoles until the PS2

[lavish wren]

Still haven’t played Super Mario World yet. Need to beat the NES games first

[zealous sonnet]

I was an NES and SNES kid. But my older brother had a Genesis, and most of my friends had one as well, so I played a ton of Genesis back in the day.

[lavish wren]

You need to play the Master System

The one true system

The… master… system

[zealous sonnet]

My cousins had a Master System and one of my friends had one as well. So I played it a fair amount as well.

[lavish wren]

I’ll allow it

[zealous sonnet]

If you didn't import an SG1000, then are you really a Sega fan!?

[lavish wren]

I ||wasn’t born then||

[zealous sonnet]

No excuses!

[lavish wren]

It was ||discontinued years before I was born||

[covert pasture]

I hopped around consoles, as I was at the whim of my parents. Had a 2600, then Mega Drive, GameBoy, N64, Xbox, 360 (then nothing after that matters).
Always fascinated by the VB and can't wait to try it. Have my 3D glasses waiting!

[sage helm]

No Nintendo consoles until n64 😭

[fossil blaze]

Yeah, I too was a Nintendo Fanboy from the NES until the N64... Then I got a PSX

[glad forge]

n64 was where we all jumped ship

[sage helm]

It seems Ben took a different path

[midnight rock]

I was around for the VB. It was being discontinued and Blockbusters were getting rid of them on sale. Speculation was that it could end up being rare like the Vectrex. I didn't have much cash then and decided not to get one. This was a good decision of course.

[clear ledge]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/117081657096

[sage helm]

What do these do

[lament steeple]

https://www.virtual-boy.com/images/975966/

[glad forge]

that site needs more powerful hamsters

[sage helm]

It struggles. Looks like those glasses are not for virtual .

How are people playing games in 3D?

[fossil blaze]

They’re actually a new 3D process that uses clear lenses. The lenses make certain colors appear to stand off the page. They work with any printed matter, especially if it has clear, defined colors (i.e. comic books are great with these). They make red appear to stand out, so they’re especially suited to VB.
Hmmm... shame they aren't all over amazon or aliexpress like the red/green or whatever colors everyone else was getting here recently

[rough frigate]

What is actually the best option for the 3D glasses? green magenta? or green red?

[glacial turret]

DANCING hamsters!

https://youtu.be/6WpMlwVwydo?si=j1KcUFQ45gCoe9bK

[storm blaze]

Only black screen on crt 15khz

[sacred grove]

Don't test on a CRT and we don't know when this core will work on a CRT.

[glad forge]

it'll work on a crt as long as your crt can handle 50hz

it's a 50hz system

it's generating a real clock signal that's valid as far as I can tell, so otherwise, it should work

[sacred grove]

haha was just testing you!

[warm panther]

it works

[fossil blaze]

CRT? If you want to be accurate you're going to need a laser, mirror, and super accurate motor

(Yes I know it used a LED array but laser is funnier)

[glad forge]

it's also a widescreen console

so crt is a pretty bad pick for it all around

[zealous sonnet]

It looks great on an OLED.

[zenith pendant]

What is the VB aspect ratio?

[native sequoia]

12:7?

[white wolf]

6:7

[glad forge]

12:7 is correct

[zenith pendant]

So some pillar boxing on a 16:9 screem

[fossil blaze]

That's my favorite kind of screem

[glad forge]

the black sides are very minor

that's the extent of them

effectively fits 16:9

[valid heart]

I love the aspect ratios of some of these handhelds. Virtual Boy, GBA and Lynx fit nicely on a widescreen TV

[glad forge]

vb is the closest i've seen to naturally widescreen

it's slightly wider if you use both eyes

because the margins have to catch each eye

[lavish wren]

VB best core, confirmed

[zealous sonnet]

Robby is one lean mean pinning machine.

[fossil blaze]

Robby right now:

[sweet girder]

The aspect ratio of the Lynx's display is 16:10, which perfectly matches that of the display of a Steam Deck

[haughty badger]

finally, some good games to play on the steam deck

[sacred grove]

the vb emoji kinda sucks, if anyone has a better one let me know so I can replace it

[lavish wren]

The lenses are the wrong way around

[valid heart]

Pretty crazy that we got a modern aspect ratio from a device that hit the market in 1989

[zealous sonnet]

Simple and you see it every time you play it!

[sacred grove]

winner winner paint thinner

[zealous sonnet]

TheJesusFish in shambles.

All that work to make Robby into the man he was always meant to be.

[warm panther]

Do you know how many times I had to tell gemini to remove the background?

[zealous sonnet]

Robby's guns are so big that he is the background. It was confused.

[warm panther]

I eventually just did it myself

all for fucking nothing now I guess!

[sacred grove]

ehh

[zealous sonnet]

Might work better as a sticker to make it more clear. But then we're still out a VB emoji.

[zealous sonnet]

Actually, try this. I sized it to the correct dimensions and got rid of the dot pattern since at that size, it doesn't look right

[sacred grove]

ok that's a little better

[zealous sonnet]

Yeah, that's better.

[lavish wren]

Only to be bettered by a pic of him wearing a virtual boy, while flexing, in his virtual boy t-shirt

Also holding his virtual boy mug

[fossil blaze]

That just reminds me of the AVGN looking into a Virtual Boy and going "I feel like I'm taking an eye exam"

That or the cover for The 6th Day

[warm panther]

https://tenor.com/bWHfW.gif

[forest moon]

Maybe Gunpei Yokoi renewed his driver's license and got inspired

[fossil blaze]

Ok, I was inspired to spend like 10 seconds in gimp to make this mess 🤣

Maybe i should have just asked ai or something

[valid heart]

Probably Arnold's most underrated movie

[sage helm]

I see lots of disposable 3d glasses pics. Are people using them and seeing the vboy core in 3d?

[fossil blaze]

yes

[sage helm]

Is it enjoyable

[fossil blaze]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[untold remnant]

I unironically love that movie

[glad forge]

okay I have all three kinds of glasses now

the blue/yellow work okay but the blue is really disruptive

the magenta/green ones are kinda week, I think they need special color handling

[sage helm]

Which do you prefer

[warm panther]

blue red wins again

[zealous sonnet]

How have things been going with solving the game speed issue?

[white gorge]

Red Cyan actually works very well. I bought my glasses about a year ago, when I worked on that VB Mario Demo. There are really all kinds of color combinations but from what I read last year, red/cyan is what you can consider a more often used standard.

[glad forge]

red cyan is definitely the most popular, and I think my favorite

especially if you balance the brightness between eyes

[zealous sonnet]

Yeah, I think brightness balance for each eye would probably work best. Like being able to reduce the intensity of the cyan on the screen I think would make a big difference. Still looks pretty good regardless though, so not a priority.

[glad forge]

fortunately the author of Lemur already did that work for me

[sweet girder]

Yes, it is really interesting. I wonder what inspired them to use this aspect ratio on a gaming handheld back then.

[glad forge]

probably the fact that it was spinning mirrors and stereoscopic in a headset, they likely wanted to cover the whole fov

they didnt have to depend on any kind of screen

basically the same as modern vr goggles

except for the mirrors and leds

[sweet girder]

Yeah, that makes sense

Modern VR struggles with its FoV

[ancient sage]

When generating the cyan eye, do you create a cyan color or just something that passes through (anything without red). For monochrome source video I assume you do not need to generate exactly cyan as you do not need to ouput multiple colors. I wonder if just blue or green would work better. Or similarly for one of the other types.

Of course maybe dropping one color would tire the eyes out faster.

[sacred grove]

The next logical step after a virtual boy core is an r-zone core

[lavish wren]

I asked Gippity about this a while back (for my own interest) and it suggested that just green might work too, but I didn’t get any time to test the theory

I figured Kit knows more than Gippity anyway, so I didn’t mention it 😅

(Went down a rabbit hole of thinking up ideas for some side projects I can do with those 3D glasses 😅)

[sage helm]

Has anyone made a headset yet, for full immersion?

[white wolf]

@sacred grove how did you fit your mister in this thing?

[white gorge]

cool https://x.com/CallXYZ3D/status/2042595215073022235

CallXYZ (@CallXYZ3D)

Finally some nice Japan style Virtual Boy boxes and sticker!

X · Apr 10, 2026, 1:27 PM

[carmine sky]

I still didn't have a chance to try the Virtual Boy core. Is there an option to invert the 3D images to be able to do cross eye. If not, is it possible to add in the future?

[spring sphinx]

The publicly available build is in a rough state, so honestly you're better off waiting until a more polished build is released.

[buoyant vale]

Gemini can't do transparency (yet) which is weird but unfortunately true

[warm panther]

very weird

[buoyant vale]

Gemini/Nano Banana is a strange beast. It's very powerful but also can be extraordinarily stupid.

Also don't try doing multiple different projects in one chat it can't deal lol

[zealous sonnet]

Dug out the old Virtual Boy and cleaned it up. As expected, it no longer works (only the right lens shows an image in games, and even that one is showing some graphical corruption). Still, it's nice to have it out on display again. ❤️

[glad forge]

if it can run tests it's useful

[spring sphinx]

Heard the Virtual Boy used glue for the lens, which is why its so prone to failure in the long term.

[stoic stratus]

Not the lenses, but the ribbon cable that attaches to the displays for each eye. Mine failed too, but I was able to repair it

[wind nest]

My Virtual Boy was a fixer upper, from back when I was repairing game consoles. Definitely those ribbon cables.

[zealous sonnet]

I would have no idea how to repair it. And even if I did, I'm not confident enough that I wouldn't find a way to completely break it!

[wind nest]

The soldering for the ribbon cables is very delicate work, not a first project thing.

[zealous sonnet]

That's what I figured. I'd just end up ruining it further.

[sacred grove]

It’s not a permanent solution but you can reglue it with a hair dryer

[kindred jasper]

I did a Virtual Ribbon repair not too long ago, though I also have a lot of soldering experience. It's just a lot of flux and verification before you actually connect it all

Assuming the mirrors/servos are still working as expected

I need to snag a flash cart so I can play Jack Bros. without spending more money than I want to (that and I suppose I could help test with one)

[clear ledge]

flash cart also helpful for homebrew. which given the small official library i'm guessing people will ask about going forward

[tough tangle]

RetroOnyx is getting ready to open preorders for another batch of Mr.Carts soon.

[glad forge]

what are those

[warm panther]

rom cart

[glad forge]

flash cart for virtual boy?

[wind nest]

I've been happy with the HyperFlash32 eInk, I imagine their newer products are good too.

[warm panther]

Ya

[empty hare]

where johnny five

[sacred grove]

any new core news?

[lavish wren]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-let-her-cook-mario-nintendo-nintendo-switch-gif-12724358120254593850

[sacred grove]

Any new cooking news?

[zealous sonnet]

I cooked a TV dinner in the microwave today.

[buoyant vale]

How old are you I don't think anybody has called them TV dinners since like the 70s

[glad forge]

I have canceled christmas because of robby

im still working on the xp renderer, it's really slow and too broken to share random builds

builds are pretty long

[zealous sonnet]

Everyone I know IRL calls them that?

[lavish wren]

I call them “ready meals”

[clear ledge]

I don’t even own a microwave

[sweet girder]

https://youtu.be/C-6mI708yWc?si=ngv1XHgEluiCHoMu

[buoyant vale]

Interesting the old ways have returned

[white wolf]

I can't think of anything people would call them other than tv dinners

[lavish wren]

Me neither

But you can cook many ready meals in the oven

[clear ledge]

as well as nuggies

[zealous sonnet]

I couldn't survive without one!

[wind nest]

The air fryer has displaced my microwave for everything but microwave popcorn. It's like a microwave without the disappointment.

[fossil blaze]

Can you really claim something is like a microwave if it dosen't include the disappointment?

[wind nest]

IKR? Yet it exists.

[zealous sonnet]

No one shall slander my beloved microwave!

[sacred grove]

Where da virtual boys

[glad forge]

I might have one game booting by christmas

[hushed flume]

You would not happen to have the serials of robby's misters an be able to block them?

[sacred grove]

you're not invited to my virtual boy's club!

[spring sphinx]

We don't need puny Virtual Boys, we need Virtual MEN 💪

[glad forge]

I'm trying to get jaguar ready for a release atm, and etc

but the xp renderer is slooow

that's the biggest issue right now

basically I have all the graphics and affine bugs fixed

just everything is at like 1/4 speed

because nobody actually knows how the rendering works, most emulators just do it all at once

but on hardware, you can't do that

so I have to figure out how to make it fit into real clocks

[white gorge]

decapping needed?

[zealous sonnet]

I shall wait patiently for my normal speed VB core. But it is nice to see that the graphics bugs are fixed!

[fossil blaze]

Is the xp renderer is slow, what about the Vista renderer or the 95 renderer?

[sacred grove]

Does this help at all?

https://www.copetti.org/writings/consoles/virtual-boy/

[plucky idol]

Zoom in about 10,000 times, and go about 1mm past that top layer

[warm panther]

https://tenor.com/baDps.gif

[sage crystal]

I tried playing a bit of Mario Tennis and couldn’t return a single shot. Hopefully it’s the core timing, because the other option is that I just suck at the game lol

[sacred grove]

Yeah core is still super early, none of the games run anywhere near actual speed.

[glacial turret]

No, the game literally is that terrible, it doesn’t have a hitbox at the racket, but at like the handle. So the ball will go through the racket if you hit it like you’re supposed to.

[sacred grove]

wat lol

[haughty badger]

iirc there's no shadow underneath the ball either, which makes it hard to judge it's depth

[glad forge]

the 3d doesnt actually really help either

[zealous sonnet]

I was really good at Mario Tennis back in the day!

[sage crystal]

What a relief! That rules out the possibility that I’m just a bad player

[spring sphinx]

Mario's Tennis is especially bad in the context of it being a pack-in title. So it doesn't give a good first impression with the Virtual Boy.

In retrospect, I think they should of had Teleroboxer as the pack-in title instead, since it does a better job highlighting the unique hardware.

[glad forge]

Super Mario 3d would have been better

or something along those lines

[eternal tendon]

I spent a lot of time with Mario Tennis and really enjoyed it. Also, I was like... 11

[valid heart]

There was a tech demo for a Super Mario Land VB game, but that tech demo probably ended up becoming Virtual Boy Wario Land as the Super Mario Land team moved onto making Wario the mascot of that series by that point

In fact, Mario Clash was a mini-game in that tech demo that got fully fleshed out into its own game

[zenith pendant]

Do we have a version of Mario Land VB that actually runs on real hardware?

I know there was some recreation that only runs on computers

[white gorge]

there is but very early

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVor89RW3s0

[glad forge]

you know the VIP's vram is dual port. I assumed the use was obvious, one port for rendering to write data and another port for the drawing block to read data from the frame buffers

but now im wonder if in fact the ports are both read/write ports but rather split as one port for each eye

[white gorge]

give it a try 🙂

[warm panther]

fukkin donkey

[glad forge]

I lose again

[untold remnant]

I remember kinda enjoying mario tennis when I played it at Toys R’ Us back in the day…not enough to get me to ask my parents for a VB though

I feel like there was a sampler cartridge in-store with at least Mario Tennis and Warioland

[fossil blaze]

I think the only game that I ever saw at those kiosks when I tried them was Red Alarm, which was VERY confusing to me

Back then at least, 3D was still new and it was just all red wireframes

[plucky idol]

I remember going to a Toys'R'Us near Buffalo around 1997, and they had Virtual Boys on clearance for $13... and while I thought about it for a bit, I couldn't really justify the desire to have one (of course, I never thought about hoarding it in my closet for 30 years)

[native sequoia]

I think I bought mine from a Kay Bee Toys for something like $39.99 with a game

[pallid grotto]

Is there a specific non-R/B color of 3D glasses that have been deemed the best yet?

[zealous sonnet]

Not yet.

[sacred grove]

WHERE DA VEEBEE AT

[white gorge]

[buoyant vale]

I just call them microwave dinners

[wind nest]

Maybe it's a regional thing? Safeway calls them frozen dinners.

[sacred grove]

I call them POOP

[glad forge]

I scored a point

[zealous sonnet]

Honestly, it's cool just to see how much the core has progressed!

[sacred grove]

DA VEEBEE!!!!!!

[warm panther]

running better

[zealous sonnet]

Both looking and running better. That's a lot of progress since the last build that was dropped. Very cool to see it.

[glad forge]

it's still too slow, but the graphics are mostly correct everywhere now

[zenith pendant]

Close to unleashing the testing horde to fill out the sheet?

[glad forge]

not yet

I sitll have a lot of things I know are broken but I just haven't gotten to yet

I wouldn't have really let people play with it if it hadn't been for the april fools opportunity 🙂

[sacred grove]

I like the virtual boy core

[zenith pendant]

The virtual boy core likes you too, Robby

[buoyant vale]

oh yeah we say that too

[zealous sonnet]

The greatest April Fools that wasn't technically not an April Fools!

[white gorge]

it was so great in fact, that people (including me) stayed away for the first day believing it must be a joke XD

[acoustic lotus]

The timing too, off the heels of Nintendo releasing the VB replica hardware… and it’s been seemingly a memetic never-gonna-happen core prior. Seemed like the fool-stars aligned for next level April Fools

[glad forge]

there hasn't been an update in a while, so here's an updated version, still speed issues but better. wario has an input issue ill fix when I get a chance

[zealous sonnet]

Aww yeah. Dis just got real!

Wow, yeah this is massively improved now. Yes it's still slow, but there are games that boot now that couldn't before like Panic Bomber.

Oh nice, more color options for the 3D.

Haha, I forgot just how reliant Vertical Force is on the 3D effect. It's probably the one VB game that is unplayable without it.

Nester's Funky Bowling isn't booting anymore. Might be a bonus rather than a bug though.

Beat the first opponent in Teleroboxer. Game is still fun as heck even in slow mo!

[sacred grove]

Pins updated

[agile anchor]

[orchid reef]

https://youtu.be/fG_AeFGc1As

[heavy lance]

I can't enter the game in Wario Land, am I doing something wrong? 😂

https://youtu.be/T2lWNv1pnE4?t=396&is=gaXBv4GuYDa_kzlU i think Pixel has the same problem here

[zealous sonnet]

#1056040100141735986 message

"wario has an input issue ill fix when I get a chance"

[heavy lance]

thanks, I didn't see that 🙂

I am an old, blind man

great progress with core, thank you @glad forge

[dark parcel]

What glasses are best to use with white? I find the red/blue essentially turns my oled into a whiteish hint instead of red which is interesting.

Core is really taking shape, great work.

[glad forge]

3d glasses wont really leave it looking red. It's monochrome so you will get kind of a greyish or pinkish outcome usually

[dark parcel]

Got it, makes sense.

[onyx gazelle]

Hi,
I wanted to try this core on a CRT TV, but I’m getting a black screen.
Is that how it’s supposed to work at this stage?

[warm panther]

Might not be working on CRT at the moment

still pretty early days on the core

[glad forge]

it should, but it's 50hz

so the crt has to support that

the real system if 50hz

[onyx gazelle]

I have a regular consumer Sony Trinitron CRT,
and it definitely supports 50 Hz, but when I launch the core, I get a black screen — I can’t even see the OSD.

[zealous sonnet]

If you can't even see the OSD, then it's definitely something with the TV not playing nice with it.

[glad forge]

maybe someone else with a crt can confirm

if it's broken I will eventually drag my tiny pvm out of the box in the basement for testing

[onyx gazelle]

Just to clarify, I don’t have any issues with other cores.
Both PAL and NTSC work fine.

[unique igloo]

I have a CRT that supports 50 hz, let me check at my end

[glad forge]

this core doesnt output to a tv, so it's not so simple

it very well may have some sus timings

[zenith pendant]

With your set up can you see it working fine over HDMI? Just to confirm no other issues there

[lavish wren]

CRT support was a mistake

[onyx gazelle]

If you need quick testing, I’ll be happy to help.
I really want to play Wario on a CRT TV

[sacred grove]

It outputs to a strip of LEDS that vibrate at a specific frequency so your eye’s visual persistence registers it as a full image. You know, normal display stuff.

[zealous sonnet]

Holy shit

[onyx gazelle]

I'll try testing via HDMI

[glad forge]

https://tenor.com/view/shield-fan-super-power-led-light-dr-strange-gif-14539640

like these

[zenith pendant]

Cool, just to rule out any potential issues with bad files etc.

[warm panther]

It works on my JVC PVM, but not my sony PVM. Both support 50hz

[unique igloo]

my Phillips CRT (50/60hz supports), is having the same issue. The OSD is also not appearing. So there you go

[warm panther]

kitrinx loves CRTs so I'm sure this problem excites her

[glad forge]

I keep the crt in a box in the basement not for storage reasons, but to punish it for existing

[spring sphinx]

The blasphemous box banished to Hell for its sins

[warm panther]

I figure it out on my end. It doesn't work if you're using a dac with direct video because the core doesn't support direct video

but out of the minidin9 on the analog pro, it's fine on all my 50hz tvs

[onyx gazelle]

In my case, it’s a VGA-to-RGB SCART cable

[heavy lance]

i tried my 50Hz crt tv , black screen

[glad forge]

it's possible the signals aren't making analog stuff happy, they aren't really kosher

it's going to need some kind of special frame buffered mode for analog probably, though it will only cost a frame or two of latency probably

hdmi is happy though

also like most lcd type screens, it can also turn the display off arbitrarily

so it will probably need a gba-like hack to prevent resyncing

fortunately I designed the whole thing with clock enables, so that is possible

[white gorge]

mine with every scene change XD

[white wolf]

I was here when kit posted a gif

[storm blaze]

Black screen on Commodore 1084S

[sacred grove]

I was gif when here posted a kit

[fossil blaze]

Which is why it's resolution is technically 224x1 per eye, IIRC the leds themsevles don't vibrate, they relfect off a mirror and it's the mirror that vibrates.

I remember Nintendo posting this old image of an elf using the Virtual Boy detailing that...

[sacred grove]

You’re a mirror that vibrates! What do you think of that tooth guy??

Tough

[fossil blaze]

I think you need to reflect on yourself if that's how you see me.

[glad forge]

the framebuffers have a real size, and it's 384 columns by 224 rows, one for each eye

the leds gloss over the framebuffer

after all we don't say all tv output is technically 1x1 because it draws as a dot

so the real resolution is 384x224x2

[fossil blaze]

Aren't things generally measured by their display size though, not framebuffer?

[glad forge]

not really, we use variable tvs

crt's don't even have a display size

[plucky idol]

Hahah, TVs with 1x1 pixel. That's an appropriate metaphor.

[fossil blaze]

I thought modern LCDs and OLEDs had a native resolution and anything else needs to be upscaled or downscaled to fit?

[plucky idol]

The comparison was Virtual Boy (1 column) versus CRT (raster scan)

Nothing modern

[white wolf]

TVs are literal magic and our cores are handcrafted by druidic technomancers with arcane knowledge

[nimble rampart]

Picture of said CRT

[glad forge]

I have an 8" sony pvm I got from a studio that was clearing them out and they included the little storage box with all the padding, it's great for testing things like this for a crt-denier like me

[fossil blaze]

Bah, it's not a real CRT if it's not your family's old living room wood-panel CRT from the 80s that is connected through RF and you had to pound repeatedly to get it working

(Says the guy who dosen't even have a CRT anymore, except one in storage that probably dosen't in work anymore)

[glad forge]

it's 8" and it still weighs more than me

[lost prawn]

Slow Mo Guys on youtube did a really incredible video on the VB display. The led strip flashes more or less for pixel intensity as well. Just absolutely wild. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW7M8H99x7Y

[zealous sonnet]

Yeah, I saw it a while back. It's one of the most interesting display technologies I've seen in gaming.

[glad forge]

again, we don't say crt's are 150000 fps

virtual boy is 50fps, or 100 if you count both eyes, which isn't really fair because the rendering for both eyes is a shared process

vb draws just like a crt, except if a crt could draw all 224 lines at once instead of 1 at a time

[fossil blaze]

Just make a CRT with 224 eletron guns in it, simple

[buoyant vale]

CRT core when