#Atari Jaguar

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hidden blade
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Or just here for adulation!

mental briar
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Single ram issues are lower priority right now

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until grey nails down dual ram

south locust
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Angus is entering the combat zone

slate spade
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Nothing major, just some audio issues on Pinball Fantasies. Other than that, I'm getting really solid success so far

rain sierra
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Anyone have the AtariAge guy’s overlays? How many are in a kit? Is it all of them? And what’s the price?

mental briar
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95 bucks for the set

rain sierra
mental briar
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I believe so. it’s 35(?) overlays

rain sierra
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Wow

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Nice

mental briar
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it’s just physical printings of the atari age pngs

rain sierra
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It’s a better deal than the Etsy seller that wants $5 per

ashen spoke
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I’ve purchased two sets of overlays from him and he ships them quick and they’re pretty good overlays. I mean they’re the only option I know of but I’m happy either way.

rain sierra
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Nice! I think I’m going to end up caving and getting a controller. Just doing some homework.

gentle bobcat
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I ordered 10 overlays from hoskinson the other day but still waiting for them to arrive. They'll likely arrive sometime this week.

ember sage
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Thanks for update flip out plays now in single ram version.

ashen spoke
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Still doesn’t play for me, so weird!

gentle bobcat
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Hmm, looks like Hoskinson Industries is out of Gillette, WY. I'm in the Bozeman, MT area so that shouldn't take much time at all.

sleek vortex
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I've never gotten MiSTer to recognize Xbox One or 360 chat pads. It would be an awesome addition.

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Just grabbed one of these on eBay last week along with a raphnet SNES to USB adapter. Seems like a great option for Colecovision and Intellivision too

warm oasis
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I am fairly sure Xbox One and 360 pads should work just fine out the box

mild karma
sterile moss
dusk slate
mild karma
dreamy hinge
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does it work as a 'normal' keyboard?

sterile moss
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Looks like the official one uses the controller's connection, seems it doesn't work over BT (need the dongle and MS store app) 😦

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3rd party one with it's own dongle that works as normal KB could be handy

warm oasis
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If anyone is having issues with controllers then best place is the Controllers channel, or if things are bad Help, you will get more eyes on any questions there

mental briar
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the barkley’s shut up and jam load times are no fucking joke

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Still can’t believe we went from having an old core that ran a handful of games to a functionally complete core in 3 months (plus the time that grey spent updating it before the november release). Just wild.

dreamy hinge
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eat electric death

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speaking of, do spinners work?

mild karma
potent sandal
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Before i go file an issue on the github, i want to make sure i'm not missing something stupid. I've tried multiple different versions of the single ram Jaguar core and they all hard lock/crash my Mister. I've got the core dropped into the usual location, i've got bios and roms files in the games folder. I dont get any response from controls or OSD button when i launch the jaguar core, only recourse is to hard shutdown and reboot. Running a Mister Ironclad batch 7 board with de-10 nano for what its worth

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Any thoughts? Is there a proper guide i've missed somewhere? Thanks!

gentle bobcat
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I've had it be a little fussy finally accepting the bios... but even in that case, I've not had any lockups or freezes and the OSD always responded. I have two MiSTer Pis and two MiSTer Multisystems.

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I assume you are using the build dated 1/20. Works great for me.

mental briar
potent sandal
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i can do that. typically transfer via ftp over filezilla on ethernet

mental briar
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Ok, ensure that your filezilla is set to transfer via binary (and not auto, which it defaults to for some godawful reason that borks so many transfers)

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If I were to bet, Filezilla is like “oh, this bios is an ASCII file, so I’ll transfer it like that” and your mister is like “what the fuck are you feeding me?”

potent sandal
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Confirmed, set to binary already. I knew that sounded familar 🙂

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mental briar
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perfect

potent sandal
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re-grabbing bios for good measure

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the usual source still reliable for that?

mental briar
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yeah, grab the one from the pins in here

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that one is what all of us are using. the one from update all is likely fine too, but we know this one works

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#1055574003810578503 message

potent sandal
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Thats all it was, the stupid naming convention lol

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file size was the same as mine and everything, i just didnt have it named to boot.rom, sometimes its the little things. thank you!

mental briar
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no problem :). glad it was an easy fix. Now go forth and enjoy the robust Jaguar library GuyFieriChefsKiss

potent sandal
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on it! 🙂

i gotta say, i did NOT expect to be able to just up and run Doom this easily. this feels stunningly polished for something this new all things considered

mental briar
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grey rogue is a wizard, feels like all that left is features and whatnot - core feels content complete

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We need some jaguar experts to do a/b tests against real hardware

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I guess single core improvements can still come too

dense ravine
gentle bobcat
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@dense ravine - Expand your question.

dense ravine
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Did @mental briar mean he thought single ram improvements might still be a thing to come? (Not sure what a “single core” improvement could be in this context)

mental briar
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Sorry, yes, single ram

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(Single ram core - it’s after 7, my brain is gravy)

dense ravine
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No worries. Thanks for clarifying

mental briar
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A single ram core that runs at full speed is always the goal, but I don’t know anything more about it than you guys do 🙂

spare idol
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I agree, a full speed Single RAM core should be the primary goal. Any other functionality are very welcome bonuses.

gentle bobcat
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According to the devs, unless I misunderstood, the dual-ram core is the primary focus. When that is correct as possible, more effort might be put into the single-ram core. In practice, when they update one they tend to update the other.

winged finch
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Listening to the speculation online, I was expecting the single ram version of the core to run like a slideshow. In reality, I was blown away to see there are many games that run at full speed. It makes me hopeful that a good single ram version might be possible in the future

gentle bobcat
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I can't really tell the difference between the two but I haven't run them side by side. There are some glitches in some audio of a few games... or at least that's all I've seen mentioned so far. The single-ram core can seem to run way-too-fast when CPU is set to turbo... in certain games.

mental briar
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She’s not quite a tower of power but she is close

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gentle bobcat
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Now to get midi working with the Jaguar core. j/k

spare idol
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😆

dreamy hinge
sterile moss
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ooh, im just waiting on some bolts to put a spinner together

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did you modify something or they work with latest core?

dreamy hinge
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I had to add support

spare idol
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Cool! I have that spinner. How did you get it to work?

dusk slate
# dreamy hinge 👀

Damn, I was looking at buying one of those controllers last year, but they were so expensive! Now they're sold out...

rain sierra
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Does that egret II controller work natively on MiSTer now, or are you using theypsilon's driver?

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Oh by add support I'm guessing Zakk squirted some secret sauce into the controller drivers. Noice

rain sierra
dreamy hinge
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the egret spinner works natively, it just needs some ini stuff, spinner_vid/spinner_pid and spinner_axis set. usually in a core specific section. forum should have the info

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and I had to modify the core to send the correct rotary encoder signals for this. I'll eventually PR it, but not until after the weekend

sterile moss
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Everything's coming up milhouse

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Thanks Zakk 👍

gentle bobcat
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I've got multiple decades of playing T2K without a spinner. Maybe I'll try it someday. Yes, I've played the original Tempest arcade.

south locust
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the yellow electric ships in tempest 2000 are irritating !

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FRIED !!!

waxen terrace
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Anyone got Soccer Kid to run on the core? Only tested on single ram but get the red screen of death on the BIOS screen with this game

urban mango
waxen terrace
ashen spoke
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Please rise for our anthem.

ivory basin
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I saw you drop that in another channel then go silent and I should have known this was coming

ashen spoke
ivory basin
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LOL

ashen spoke
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I sent it to Kitrinx and she responded “why did I have to wake up to this”

dreamy hinge
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I hope you sending it to her is what woke her up

ivory basin
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Hahaha

waxen terrace
ashen spoke
mental briar
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oooooooooo

tall musk
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Anyone compared tempest to real hardware yet, or is that on me and my unreliable schedule? 😆

mental briar
tall musk
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I genuinely want to help out. I have a game drive and a lot of actual carts.

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But I am not a qualified tester of any kind 😆

ivory basin
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I can't believe that just less than 4 megabytes of code emulates the Atari Jaguar

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it feels like it should be much larger

mental briar
sleek vortex
sleek vortex
warm oasis
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I was sure support was added long ago, but maybe I am mistaken. Can anyone confirm? May need to ask in the controller channel.

potent sandal
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I got it sorted actually! Didn't have bios file named boot.rom

ivory basin
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I use an Xbox 360 controller exclusively on my MiSTer Pi

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with the USB wireless adapter

dusk slate
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I no longer need to worry about cutting myself on that saw toothed edge in NBA Jam!

tranquil cape
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I'm using Xbox One controllers with the 2.4 ghz adapter

warm oasis
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Thanks for confirming, they work out the box don't they? You don't need to map them?

mental briar
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wait, is it confirmed that the keypad works? or jus that 360/xbox one controllers work>

dreamy hinge
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I think the chatpad may work wired, but it won't work over bluetooth. no driver on linux supports it over bt, and I'm not even sure it is possible

tranquil cape
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oh for the chatpad - that I do not have to test - sorry!

ivory basin
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I have to see if I still have my 360 chat pad to test

mental briar
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filed the soccer kid bug

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not sure if it's a rom issue tho

waxen terrace
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I am using the no-intro .j64 set and every other rom has been fine so far, it was just that one

mental briar
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same

waxen terrace
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So do you get the same issue then, red screen if not using checksum patch?

mental briar
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yep

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which Ive never seen before

waxen terrace
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Have you tested it with both single and dual ram builds?

mental briar
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just dual since it's the focus right now

urban mango
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Have done some side by side, feel is good, you can tell the single ram core has lower perf at times

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tropic rock
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Soccer Kid works for me wth no red screen

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/media/fat/Jaguar/jag/jaguar# cksum Soccer\ Kid\ (World).j64
1119426100 2097152 Soccer Kid (World).j64

mental briar
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3896388508 2097152 /Volumes/Mister/games/Jaguar/1 World - A-Z/Soccer Kid (World).j64

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^^this is from the htgdb pack

tropic rock
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I assume that one is bad if it is failing the jag checksum

mental briar
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Looks like yours is the beta? 1119426100 2097152 /Users/thejesusfish/Downloads/Soccer Kid (World) (Beta) (Aftermarket) (Unl).j64

urban mango
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The one I have on my JGD cart (and on the MiSTer) is from an older htgb pack (2020-10-28), has the name "Soccer Kid (World).j64", but the CRC32 is 732FFAB6. I'll check against a different set as there is a newer.

mental briar
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thejesusfish@mini ~ % crc32 /Users/thejesusfish/Downloads/Soccer\ Kid\ \(World\)\ \(Aftermarket\)\ \(Unl\).j64 732ffab6

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looks like it's the normal rom

glossy iron
mental briar
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or, at least labeled as such in the nointro set

glossy iron
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It should be the same game

mental briar
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different checksums

glossy iron
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Yeah maybe due to songbird adding their logo in the rom

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But yes that would count as "different roms"

brittle zinc
# dreamy hinge 👀

I am not spending out on one of those but damn I wanna finally play T2K with a spinner

brittle zinc
brittle zinc
# ashen spoke

Shouldn't he have his own game? Smith Shut Up About My Wife?

ashen spoke
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Ok so what’s some good Jaguar homebrew?

mental briar
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If someone has a second, I have a test I'd like someone to run because Kuba and I had different outcomes.

You need Cybermorph with this checksum: 3033680922 and this size: 1048576

Load the core, load Aliens Versus Predator, then load cybermorph.

Does cybermorph load for you?

gentle bobcat
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Dual? Single? Either? Both?

mental briar
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doesn't matter

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but do dual if you can because that's the focus right now

gentle bobcat
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Ok, I didn't checksum mine. I had World Rev A and World Rev B of Cybermorph and I tried them both.... multiple times... and didn't really get any consistent / reproducable behavior. I had AvP load once with a garbage screen (after Cybermorph B). I had Cybermorph World A not load at all from a fresh core start. I had once or twice where they all worked fine.

mental briar
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are either one of those roms around 1mb?

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because that's likely the one

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I can always load it from a cold boot

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but once I boot another game, it no longer will load cybermorph

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unless I cycle the core completely

gentle bobcat
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I had both Cybermorphs load without problem except for the one time Cybermorph A wouldn't load from a fresh Jaguar core load.

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I think I had one time each where neither Cybermorph would load after AvP... but also had several times where it did.

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Sorry for the non-rigorous scientific testing methods on my end but I wanted to give you some response beyond silence.

mental briar
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No worries man, I appreciate it

gentle bobcat
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I think I've noticed this with different combinations of games over a many-games-loaded sessions... so I'd be surprised if it is specific to those two or a certain combination... but who knows.

mental briar
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This is such a weird bug

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Oh it's not limited to those two games for sure. It's always cybermorph, but I just tried it after loading wolfenstein and had the same thing happen (no load on cybermorph)

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Rev B is half the size of Rev A, and you wonder what they pulled out

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

gentle bobcat
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I was an Atari ST user for 10+ years and I remember over the years, various changes with how people recommended RAM be zero'ed... for functionality and for speed. When I consider issues where behavior is unpredictable when loading something, the question of... was there still stuff left in memory from the last program that didn't get cleared and the new program didn't clear memory and just expected it to be zero when it wasn't... and because it wasn't got confused. This was years ago and my memory of it is a bit sketch... but I wonder if before loading a ROM, the environment is supposed to be in a specific known state... and sometimes it isn't for some reason? Pretty vague question... but just trying to make sense of the observations.

mental briar
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Yeah, could be. Could be a lot of stuff along that line. But I am not the wizard here. I just stand around and look important

gentle bobcat
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In the Atari ST world some advanced applications would patch TOS (the OS) so make memory routines behave differently with many of them claiming to improve load times for the OS and for programs. Every once in a while someone would notice something weird with a particular program and they'd report it... and they'd research it and fix it the OS patch. So anyway, that's what I related this current oddity to.

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But with no real data to go by, I'm farting in the wind. I'd be surprised if GreyRogue isn't aware of it.

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But in all cases I've noticed... restart the core and if that doesn't fix it, restart MISTer all together. I've seen periodic odd behaving when I've done testing of a new sd card image I put together when I load a bunch of cores and a bunch of games.... sometimes I can get odd behavior with a core... and just power cycling fixes it.

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But it isn't easy to reproduce. On the Jaguar core, the behavior is fairly easy to reproduce... and also... easily worked around. I don't see it as a show stopper... but some devs might see an imperfect core as a blight on their rep so I know they would definitely prefer to figure it out and fix it.

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I'm personally pretty satisfied with the Jaguar DR and SR core releases dated 1/20. Other than me dreaming about JagCD support with a functional VLM, I think they have a lot to be proud of and I'm getting a lot of joy out of it.

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I think it is fairly obvious that the real Jaguar hardware doesn't fully match the netlist provided specs... and I believe that game developers were made aware of one or more hardware bugs and how to work around them.... and that is causing issues with the core implementation now... and my belief comes from decades of reading articles about the Jaguar... and not really having anything specific to point to today. I wonder if Rich Whitehouse could share any light.

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Trying to research this stuff today is a giant rabbit hole littered with broke links.

gentle bobcat
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John Carmack said, "They had some design hazards (write after write) that didn't get fixed". I wonder what that means.

mental briar
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I love that he was like “we need doom everywhere, but I will devote my personal time to putting it on the fucking jaguar”

gentle bobcat
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He hated the 3DO CD multi-media fluff and wanted a cartridge because there was no way to put that fluff on it. I paraphrase.

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I have four MiSTers currently so I think I'm going to skip the initial release of Retro Remake's Super Station One (sale dates came out a few hours ago). That'll maybe free up one for a first-timer. I'll probably regret it after the fact... but one assumes there will be future runs even if they decide not to discount it like they are for the first run for existing customers. Even at full price (no discount), it's still a fantastic value. I'd also prefer to wait for the cdrom dock (that adds additional ports) to be finished and available. I look forward to the day when everything isn't an instant sell-out and one is able to randomly order stuff that is in-stock.

warm oasis
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The Netlist is apparently not of the final chip used in retail units, which no doubt adds complications to things

south locust
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Cartridges with loading times. I tested a basket game that have neogeocd load times like.

glossy iron
tranquil cape
mental briar
mental briar
waxen terrace
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Pinned as a potential workaround could be a good idea until grey works out the issue (if it is even fixable)

ashen spoke
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Weirdly nothing I do can get Flip Out to work. Tried a ton of different roms, builds, and rom loading shenanigans.

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I guess it was not meant to be. weow

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Goodbye Flip Out, I never played you and I’m not sure I’m missing out lol.

waxen terrace
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I will try it tomorrow Robby, I am doing an overnight shift at work today

ashen spoke
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But thank you anyways.

ivory basin
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I should get a 2nd MiSTer stack to keep at work to assist with core testing...

waxen terrace
ivory basin
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Ah, that wouldn't work for you, yeah

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I wonder how the QMTech stack is...

sterile moss
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locks up after the 'another great game' screen here too

mental briar
mental briar
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I think I saw that they were in stock….

ivory basin
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I was looking at their Ali site and it says the store in on vacation 😦

sterile moss
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penguins?

mental briar
mental briar
ivory basin
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My google-fu is weak

mental briar
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Yeah, everyone is buying them and then reselling them

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always make sure you’re buying from the QMTECH store

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it should be like 170 bucks with 14 bucks shipping or something

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the joys of aliexpress

ivory basin
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Yeah, Ali is a nightmare to navigate

sterile moss
mental briar
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ahhhh

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I need to put more time into that. It loaded for me and I think I played a couple of rounds. But I dunno if I got the another great game screen

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mainly because I don’t think I had one great game

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let alone another

sterile moss
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with a face like that for a mascot, how could atari lose?

mental briar
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s i x t y f o u r b i t s

ivory basin
mental briar
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🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

ivory basin
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yup. I get screwed again on the exchange

ashen spoke
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Woooooo, time to import maple syrup!!!!

ivory basin
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haha, I'll trade you some maple syrup for a MiSTer stack!

serene widget
mental briar
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TIMES TWO DO THE MATH

ivory basin
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Throw a 6502 in there, now it's SEVENTY TWO bits

gentle bobcat
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Would love to see a 6502 in there so it'd also play 2600, 5200, 7800 and Atari 8-bit computer games... but alas.

gentle bobcat
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Imagine a dual-core where you could split the screen and have one player playing a Jag game on one side and an Atari 8-bit gamer on the other. Like the GB and GBA 2p cores. That'll never happen but it is fun to imagine.

ivory basin
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That would be great

sleek vortex
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Gonna make the monthly suggestion that someone should start working on a Jag to USB adapter. There are a ton of new old stock Jag controllers on eBay that are going to get snapped up now that we have a working core. We need an easy inexpensive way to connect them to MiSTer. And would be a great option to use with Intellivision, ColecoVision, and 5200 cores.

mental briar
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Someone made one, but they are no longer making them

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maybe that came up the last time we talked about this

thorny swift
rain sierra
mental briar
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and you can do it via reflex adapt too

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but someone was straight up selling jag>USB a while ago

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but they stopped around covid I think?

ashen spoke
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The Reflex Adapter is a good buy if you’re interested in using additional original controllers besides the Jaguar. I love SNAC but I can’t tell the difference between the two in I out latency. For visibility I am friends with the vendor who sells Reflex Adapt.

mental briar
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Robby is in the pocket of Big Pork ifyouknowwhatimean

ashen spoke
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lol, I feel like I gotta be upfront. So people know I’m biased and can decide accordingly.

frosty pike
mental briar
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How long did it take for the inserts to show up for people?

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like, if I hypothetically ordered them 5 days ago

frosty pike
mental briar
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hypothetically

frosty pike
mental briar
frosty pike
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Ooooooooo riggghhhttttttt

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Doy

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I had an Atari 2600 controller that looked like a phone keypad.... with an insert

Still has no clue how to play the game

Memories....back when games actually expected you to read manuals

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Anywho....I dunno .sorry but thanks for this link..I mayyyy...order some

mental briar
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there is a pack of all of them for 95 dollars

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hypothetically

rotund portal
gentle bobcat
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Is that an X16 software emulator? Or what?

rotund portal
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I got the basics of it running on the Verilator sim, around May last year.

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I was chatting about it a lot on the X16 Discord at the time.

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#547563966680006676 message

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But then I found out they have a weird "license" for the ROM, where it's "frowned upon" to use it for projects other than the original.

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Even though the entire ROM can be built from source, and it's all available on github?

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So I don't think I even posted the code for the sim in the end, but I might put it on a git repo later.

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It didn't take a huge amount of effort to get the basics running, but it does some weird ROM bank switching stuff that took a while to wrap my brain around.

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They also changed how the mapping is done on the final board, vs some of the older documentation, so that was fun.

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I just kind of abandoned that project, after somebody mentioned the ROM thing. I didn't want to get too involved.

gentle bobcat
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Interesting.

graceful sierra
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Hey... successfully built the Jag Core into my Mister.
I can also run all the Modul games...

2 Questions

1.) Is it normal that the first main screen turned fully red ?
2.) CD Rom games not suported or did i miss something imprtant how to run

Kind regards

sterile moss
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howdy,
-yep, normal without a game loaded
-cd rom is not supported currently

lucid oak
rotund portal
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I guess I could upload the code for the sim anyway, then let other people compile the ROM? Not sure.

mental briar
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I can’t get flip out to boot on my dual ram mister pi. Crashes right after the “another great game” screen. I think Robby has the same issue

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Pretty sure it boots on my other stack. I’ll futz with it later

ashen spoke
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Welcome to team No Flip, glad to have you aboard.

gentle bobcat
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@mental briar - Works for me. Just takes a little bit of time for that screen to go away... on my MiSTer Pi dual-ram.

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I don't know how to play it so I haven't actually done anything other than load it.

mental briar
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Feels like a weird thing like AVP. I wonder if I can build some variations and see if that helps.

cerulean rock
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Damn did you guys buy all the new jaguar controllers on eBay? 😂 😭

mental briar
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C y c l e a c c u r a t e

gentle bobcat
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@cerulean rock - Since you said that, I just picked up two.

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There were like 5 case sellers last week when I checked. None are there anymore.

cerulean rock
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Yeah I had watched those ages ago but they all disappeared in the last week

mental briar
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hmm, I can’t get flip out to boot on my main mister either. I know I played this game at some point.

I’d start cooking builds but I am not sure how far we are from grey dropping another release on us. There has definitely been some work done since the last release

marble holly
rotund portal
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Yip. I pointed that out to them at the time.

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Very strange.

marble holly
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very

dreamy hinge
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what's the problem with that?

marble holly
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not a problem, I think just makes it tougher for ash to release his x16 sim since they have a very weird license even though the source and fw is code-available.

dreamy hinge
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I guess I was more asking what is 'strange' about them distributing the bin

marble holly
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oh

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The X16 project has a license to use this code in the context of the X16 computer. If you want to use these components outside of the context of the X16, please contaxt Cloanto (KERNAL and BASIC) would another X16 emulator (e.g. fpga core) still be within the "context of the x16"?

dreamy hinge
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no, you don't have that license

marble holly
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i would argue yes, though I'm no high priced NYC attorney or anything

dreamy hinge
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they have a license

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it does not convey to you just because you are doing an x16 emulator

rotund portal
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You can see why I didn't want to delve too deeply into it. lol

dreamy hinge
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(unless they also wrote that into their licensing agreement, but they'd probably state that if so)

marble holly
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"context of" is just odd legalese

rotund portal
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I just don't see how they could possibly "enforce" that license, when the entire source code is on their repo.

marble holly
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but I agree

rotund portal
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And can easily be compiled from that source.

dreamy hinge
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sure

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you still don't have a license

rotund portal
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From what one or two people said on their Discord, the "context", would be "To be used only on original X16 hardware / boards".

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True.

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So AFAIK, there's nothing stopping me from uploading the sim / Verilog to a repo. I just won't include the actual ROM with it.

dreamy hinge
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if they are distributing it with the emulator, they've either worked that out as part of the license or they're going to get sued

marble holly
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what if I build my own x16 from the pcb cad files and open source schematic?

rotund portal
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Don't know.

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They will arrest you. lol

dreamy hinge
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you do not have a license

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the X16 project does

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it may be that as long as it is "an x16" you're ok because that's what they agreed to, but at some point you probably need the actual text of the agreement

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or just contact the licensors and ask

marble holly
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actually they did not make the pcb files available

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so I guess it is limited to their project only

dreamy hinge
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I would find it hilarious if one of those entities was extremely litigious

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MY FIFTY YEAR OLD BASIC lawsuit

marble holly
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I mean they're still selling amiga software so who knows

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cloanto sounds like one of the body parts of an ant

dreamy hinge
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every time I would go digging for amiga stuff I'd keep coming across people still charging like $35 for a driver

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completely baffling to me

marble holly
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they're living the dream

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the dream where the PC never took hold and they're the superior beings, in their basements, alone

dreamy hinge
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like at some point the work of dealing with the occasional 'sale' would just drive me to make it free

marble holly
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are you telling me that isn't worth the low low price of $59.99 + S&H

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tropic rock
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Flip Out works for me consistently. Wont be able to look at it.

grizzled mantle
lucid oak
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in fact, the software and hardware are, from my understanding, protected by diferent concepts, the software license for the boot rom does not apply to the hardware it runs, hardware is normally protected by intellectual property and things like that

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so, if you describe the hardware, the bootrom should not actually be relevant, of course, to really use it, anyone would need to provide the bootrom their own way

mental briar
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2580889161 2097152 /Volumes/Mister/games/Jaguar/1 World - A-Z/Flip Out! (World).j64

pure bridge
tropic rock
mental briar
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So I am at a loss as to what's going on with Flip Out. I'd chalk it up to something wrong with my system, but the fact it's not booting for Robby (and that it happens across my Misters) leads me to believe that there is a setting something that is gumming up the works. With that said, I have tried:

  • Builds from the 20th and 14th
  • Building my own cores from different seeds
  • Swapping back to stable main
  • Commenting out the video mode
  • Loading the game from an SD card (rather than NAS)
  • Loading the .rom version of the game
  • Messing with various settings in the core (resetting SD ram, resetting settings, swapping between 1 and 2 ram sticks, turning off cropping, turning off the vint fix, and using the turbo CPU)
    The game will load with the Another Great Game By screen, and then the next screen will be all black with a corrupted yellow bar on the left side. This happens on both my dual ram Mister Pi and dual ramDe10nano (I did all the testing on the Mister Pi)
hidden blade
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I get the same on my Mister/Single SD Ram.

mental briar
tropic rock
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/media/fat/Jaguar/AtarJ64# cksum Flip\ Out!\ (World).j64
2580889161 2097152 Flip Out! (World).j64
/media/fat/Jaguar/AtarJ64# cd ..
/media/fat/Jaguar# cd jag/jaguar/
/media/fat/Jaguar/jag/jaguar# cksum Flip\ Out!\ (World).j64
218946659 4194304 Flip Out! (World).j64

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Both of these work for me

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Changing from dual to single sdram does not matter. I am using HDMI

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it does take 15 seconds on the screen though

mental briar
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Yeah, I just have no idea what could be the difference. It looks like it’s trying to load the movie (and will even “change screens” after 45 seconds or so (going from dark blue with a corrupted streak on the left to a completely black screen). I assume that’s the intro movie “ending”. But yeah, no video, and no idea what the variable is here

tropic rock
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/media/fat/Jaguar# cksum boot.rom
2051923805 131072 boot.rom

mental briar
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First is kun, second is “official” thejesusfish@mbp ~ % cksum /Volumes/Mister/games/Jaguar/boot.rom 1078957525 131072 /Volumes/Mister/games/Jaguar/boot.rom thejesusfish@mbp ~ % cksum /Volumes/Mister/games/Jaguar/boot\(Official\).rom 2051923805 131072 /Volumes/Mister/games/Jaguar/boot(Official).rom

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let me swap to official

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maybe mr kun is effing us

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nope, same result

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God this is so weird

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Ok

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SO

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If I load AVP first, then flip out loads

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all good things are possible through AVP

tropic rock
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hmmm...havent turned off this one recently.

mental briar
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I still get some graphical corruption on the left

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but it’s loaded

tropic rock
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corruption is normal

mental briar
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ok

tropic rock
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added crop for nba jam and this one

mental briar
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@ashen spoke @hidden blade When you get a chance, try loading AVP first, then load flip out (without rebooting the core) and see if that works

tropic rock
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Ok. Did a cold reboot then loaded flip out first after the core and it failed to load

hidden blade
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With this garbled screen, after the intro text?

tropic rock
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yep

hidden blade
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What makes this rom so special?

mental briar
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All good things are possible through AVP

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it’s actually not just this rom - I found it because I tried to load syndicate

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and I was like “This literally just worked”

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but same thing, if I load AVP, syndicate loads

tropic rock
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Sounds like it isnt initializing something

urban mango
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Is it a cart size thing? Loading a larger rom before or something?

hidden blade
mental briar
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well that’s fun

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that one was bugging me

tropic rock
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Loading tempest2k also works

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as does NBA Jam. Has to be some setting Flip Out doesnt bother to set and reset is failing to set for it.

mental briar
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Syndicate also doesn’t load from a cold boot for me. Gets the ocean logo and that’s it

ivory basin
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So actual hardware would set whatever Flip Out isn't by default? Or it's just tolerant of it not being set?

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Very interesting seeing these edge cases

tropic rock
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Difficult to say without investigation. Could be a mistake made in translating the netlists. Could be something the netlists did not bother to set but the primitives used by the asic happened to cold boot to the correct value.

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Syndicate works from cold boot for me

ivory basin
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Getting into the nitty gritty of how these systems work and what boots vs what doesn't is super interesting

tropic rock
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/media/fat/Jaguar/AtarJ64# cksum Syndicate\ (World).j64
3343536617 2097152 Syndicate (World).j64

mental briar
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3343536617 2097152 /Volumes/Mister/games/Jaguar/1 World - A-Z/Syndicate (World).j64

fallow salmon
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Jaguar has a Syndicate port? ok now i'm interested

mental briar
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welcome aboard. you must load AVP first because joy is only possible through AVP

brittle salmon
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Just want to say both new SIngle and Dual RAM work for AVP for me. Yay!

sudden palm
mental briar
sudden palm
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Works fine here

mental briar
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you have some sort of super mister

sudden palm
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First game

ivory basin
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haha I can imagine TheJesusFish's sigh right now

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"ANOTHER edge case!"

mental briar
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I would never sigh at kuba. I just wish I had their mister :p

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Kuba can also load cybermorph after loading AVP (for me, I have to load cybermorph first from a cold boot, otherwise it doesn't load at all)

brittle salmon
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Interesting, I tried to make a MGL file to fast select the file. It loads the core, but either the BIOS or the game. IE: If the game is spelled correctly in te MGL file, I get the file load screen, but no BIOS screen. If the filename is mispelled, the BIOS loads, but obviously not the game...

mental briar
brittle salmon
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Just checked, using Dual RAM ver, I am able to load Cybermorph, Syndicate, Cannon Fodder, AVP and Flip Out without any issues

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From cold or after opening another game

mental briar
ivory basin
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spontaneous Syndicate fixing

mental briar
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all things are possible through kuba

brittle salmon
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Triple checked, Flip Out opens cold without issue for me

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wait.. nevermind... it freaks out after a min

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Oh well. Thanks for all the work on the core!! Its at a point, for me anyways, all the games im interested in play without issue.

mental briar
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and flip out will work if you load AVP first

void hare
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Thanks @tropic rock and @uncut atlas for even considering building a jaguar core. How do I get access to the RBF to give a whirl?

sterile moss
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Hey, at the top of the channel list click channels and roles

gentle bobcat
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I believe it is pinned here or you can find it in the "test-builds" section here.

sterile moss
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Then 'i want it all' to give yourself the role to see all the channels

void hare
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Amazing @sterile moss thanks!

uncut atlas
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for swapping roles around

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im starting to wonder if it's even worth having roles now that people can just hide any channels and groups they dont want

sterile moss
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I can't for the life of me work out how to copy that link on mobile

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Can on desktop, yay discord

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My vote is definitely for show all by default 🙂

waxen terrace
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Show all by default will be a good idea for newcomers that want to try out test builds 🙂

sterile moss
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Yeah, the access issue comes up pretty often

mental briar
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yeah, I think especially with VGE and PCN saying that you can get the builds here, it might be best to include those in any role

still aurora
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or maybe the you tube boys could point to the github release page in the descriptions

mental briar
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Please, Tim, You Tube Men

gentle bobcat
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Tubers

spiral roost
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@mental briar whats the latest jag core that supports DV1? I think the latest one I have is 111724

mental briar
spiral roost
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awesome. i didnt realize they merged now. makes things a lot easier.

mental briar
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Yeah. The core is also in a much better place

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All games should run. Some have caveats (like you have to run AVP before flip out will boot, and cybermorph won’t boot for me unless it’s the first game I try)

ivory basin
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Everything works first time for Kuba though.

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The power of the Magic MiSTer.

mental briar
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Kuba is God’s chosen

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Which, frankly, I’m fine with

ivory basin
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His ROM set is immaculate

spare idol
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Hi which ROM set is immaculate? the last one I downloaded, had a lot of ST and Amiga ports which were hit and miss re whether they loaded.

mental briar
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Those ports are hit and miss. They may end up being compatible with the core, but keep in mind that the romset you likely downloaded is for a game drive, which runs games that original hardware will not

warm oasis
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Would be ace if someone were to put together a pack of all the homebrew and ports that do work on original hardware

mental briar
spiral roost
keen zealot
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I doubt it at the moment.

sudden palm
mental briar
keen zealot
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I'm finishing my tests on Tokimeki games for the Saturn and I will take a look.

mental briar
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I'm looking right meow

spiral roost
mental briar
ivory basin
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Now 1CC it!

gentle bobcat
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@mental briar - So you are saying that the Jaguar core got pushed to update_all? The 1/23 build?

mental briar
gentle bobcat
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My bad. I must have misunderstood something.

mental briar
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no no, If I said something that implied that, I apologize.

gentle bobcat
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I think you were talking about DV1 (whatever that is... Direct Video?): "It’s in the mainline now, so all the latest ones work" And then you linked to #test-builds so my bad.

mental briar
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ahh yeah. Direct Video wasn't in the initial builds. Sonic and Ash built versions with DV1 so us tink4k folks could use it on our expensive scalers. But grey merged those changes last month, so we don't need a bespoke build anymore

gentle bobcat
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Gotcha.

spiral roost
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DV1 is one of the coolest Mister feature.

gentle bobcat
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What is DV1 exactly? The ability to run analog video over HDMI?

mental briar
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yeah

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and the tink will auto decimate and crop the image while upscaling it to 4k

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and then you can make a profile for each core, which is wild

warm oasis
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Has nobody made up a pack of profiles for the different cores, or is that not a thing on this scaler?

gentle bobcat
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So I take it that DV1 is working its way into becoming a standard part of the MiSTer framework... and it will likely be integrated into all cores?

mental briar
mental briar
gentle bobcat
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And the 4K stuff requires an additional / external scaler device like RetroTink 4K?

spare idol
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I'm using a 42"LG C3 with a Retrotink4K, not got the CRT hooked up since I moved recently. Should I enable Direct Video over HDMI?

mental briar
spare idol
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How does it differ? Mister reports the 1080p output at the same rfresh rate as the analogue base. Also I'm using the High Contrast CRT Mister filter, not a RT4K one, is this optimal?

mental briar
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If you’re happy with it, then it is

spare idol
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Oh it looks smashing, except 'sample and hold' motion lol. Will the TV-scaler handle frames any differently with Direct Video enabled in a way that is perceivably 'better'?

mental briar
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Direct video is if you want to use hdmi on an analog display (like you could do hdmi > vga). I believe that is why it was created in the first place (someone can correct me on that). However, scalers like the morph4k and tink4k added a feature where it can take that analog symbol and use it to correctly identify the core name, the resolution, and frame information. It can use that to properly upscale, crop, and decimate it for 4k tvs. Is that better? I dunno, it’s worth it to me. But I have a very particular set of brain worms

gentle bobcat
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decimate = desiminate(sp?)

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I have no plans of buying a $700 retrotink 4k. 🙂

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decimate means destroy

hidden blade
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Direct Video for Mister over HDMI out -> RT4K in makes a lot of sense. Since it outputs the native game resolutions, and upscales them to the native TV resolution, you can use the great CRT filters from the tink. If you use HDMI directy from the Mister to the Tink you would have to to use vertical prescale, and tinker a lot with it to make everthing looking right. Long story short: Mister HDMI+direct video+a 4K scaler is a dream combo.

gentle bobcat
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I imagine it is. I'm old (60) and I don't really enjoy much beyond 1080p.

hidden blade
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If you don't use CRT filters 1080p is just fine.

gentle bobcat
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I'm using soft scanlines but that's about it.

hidden blade
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For just a generic CRT setting 1080p is good enough. It's the CRT masks where higher resolutions gets important.

gentle bobcat
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If someone who understands all of these conversions and how they work could make a video explaining to low information folks like myself (well, that's what I am when it comes to video output stuff), I'd probably be more interested and willing to try new stuff.

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VGE has a video on this stuff from a year ago.. but I believe he mainly focuses on if-you-have-a-tink4k... but I have to review to be sure.

mental briar
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I don't much care for him, but Linus' video is what sold me

hidden blade
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For his usually casual approach he took some time with it. But of course it's far from being the definitive guide. For a closer look MLiG is better.

mental briar
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for sure. but if you want high level “why is this cool”, that linus video is pretty comprehensive. It doesn’t get into the nitty gritty, but it spends a lot of time showing you how cool it can be by just hooking it up

spare idol
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Agreed, depending on your TV,'s scalerfeeding it 1080p and using 'integer scale' on Mister.ini will probably suffice for the majority. Using RT4K to clean up the scaled image using scanline filters is a very nice luxury I'm fortunate to have saved up for.

hidden blade
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And Mike announced a RT4K CE version, which lacks a few options for image quality enthusiasts. But it's mostly as good as the normal Pro version . 475 US$ when it's released in a few weeks/month.

spare idol
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Yes I had a RT5XPRO, and it blew my mind at how well it scaled up my old DC, the RT4K is ridiculously bouchie as the Gen Z's say.lol

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In a perfect worl, LOL! the RT4K would output 4K240hz for cough! 'future proofing'

hidden blade
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That would need HDMI 2.1, which would make the price range around 1000-1200 US$.

spare idol
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If only it was as simple as a modular HDMI EDID chip swap. sniff

mental briar
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I hope we get a 2.1. I’d love to do blur buster’s new BFI at 4k

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or do 1080p at 480

hidden blade
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GPU slot, for even better CRT filters!

spare idol
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DLSS 4x with integer error correction.lol

static patio
#

Finally got around to trying out the Jaguar core last night. As a kid that begged his Dad for a Jag I’m so glad I never got one. Happy this core exists for preservations sake but damn. A lot of the games are just flat out not good. Even AVP which is one of the better ones seems insurmountable without a map guide. The levels are literal mazes lol. Tempest 2000 is cool though.

mental briar
#

all true. but also, it's awesome

grizzled bloom
#

Jaguar has always been a morbid curiosity for me as a kid, then avgn reignited that curiosity in my 20s. I even bought a jag and had like 5 games and was waiting for a game drive, However I got fed up waiting for stock problems to resolve and sold it.

The emulation was always piss poor until atari50 and bigpemu came along but I never tried it, because I knew there’d be a core one day… and uh it was worth the wait??

Seriously though I’m loving this stuff for the jank.

gentle bobcat
#

There is a lot of unreasonable hate against the hardware and the software. Yes, there are some abosolute dogs out there... and the library isn't very big... but if you can put your mind back to 1993 (if you were even alive at the time), what we have contains quit a bit of enjoyment. Might not be a contemporary gamer's cup-of-tea but that is true for plenty of retro.

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I agree that AvP requires some preparation and planning.... but the resources are out there if you can web search. It was that way back then and that way now. Of course in 1993 we didn't have the Internet quiteyet (I think AvP came out in late 1994)... but we did have a few online services with very active Atari communities... and the information was fairly easy to find unless one had no online access. I actually completed the game a couple of times in 1994 and 1995 and given that it was so much work... I actually appreciated and enjoyed. I realize that patience is a hard commodity to come by these days... especially with what is going on in the outside world right now. COUGH COUGH.

grizzled bloom
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I think in the case of Avp it’s quite defendable because 90% of first person shooters were flat corridor mazes at that time.

gentle bobcat
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I currently plan on getting through AvP this year and have already started. I have forgotten most everything I knew back then and am somewhat starting from nothing. I have found a few different resoruces and made PDFs out of them and would be happy to share with anyone interested.

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I played hundreds of hours of T2K back in the day... and since the release of the MiSTer core have put in about 10 hours... but so far, I'm not any better nor even as good as I was.... and I have never finished that game. I don't know if I'll ever... but it is fun to try.

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I've always wanted to figure out Battlesphere as it is supposedly the cream of the crop when it comes to performance and depth. I just don't know if I'll have the patience to figure it out on my own... as that game had such a late, limited release that there are only a tiny fraction of the userbase who ever got into it much less documented and shared.

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I'd love to see people getting into it now and sharing what they find... and if we get JagLink support on the MiSTer that'd mean LAN multiplayer would be possible (also for Doom) . I thnk Doom is limited to 2 players but Battlesphere hits the 32 max... with two per machine if you do separate navigator and gunner... otherwise 16 single players.

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Supposedly multiplayer Battlesphere has been all the rage at Jag conferences (yes there are such things) over the last two decades but I've never had one reasonably close to attend.

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For anyone wanting a functional JagLink on real hardware, I think eBay may have some OEM devices but there is at least one does-it-all contemporary solution that costs about $86 if I remember correctly. If I ever get into Battlesphere deeply enough, I hope that thing exists in the future... but better yet, MiSTer core support.

stone vault
#

How is the latest test build working for people? I've never tried the prior ones but when I load my Mister goes to a black screen and I can't even bring up the menu

mental briar
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Sounds like you don’t have the bios

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Check the pins

hidden blade
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And use only the .j64 roms

gentle bobcat
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@stone vault To directly answer your question, it has been working really well for several weeks now.

stone vault
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Alrighty I'll hunt for a bios. What should name name of the folder be? Just "Jaguar"?

mental briar
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#1055574003810578503 message

stone vault
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Got everything up and running. Thank you guys for your help!

karmic minnow
still aurora
mental briar
#

gotta start somewhere

last crater
#

Simplyfying 3D model geometry is also called decimation

mental briar
#

Man, USPS is teasing me. My inserts were supposed to be here on the 30th, but they updated tracking late in the date to say surprise, they are still in Wyoming. Then they arrived to the distribution center in the next city over yesterday and the delivery date updated to today.

1:20pm and it’s still at the distribution center.

Maybe Monday?

gentle bobcat
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USPS tracking can sometimes be wildly wrong in my experience.

grim ferry
#

Does the core support spinner controls for Tempest 2000? I have Ultimate Spinner PRO.

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or even the Atari Classic controller?

dreamy hinge
#

you just reminded me I need to finish that and send a PR

grim ferry
mental briar
#

Fucking bugs don’t stand a chance

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thorny swift
mental briar
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I don't want to brag, but they sent me an extra marine insert - if you're wondering what it's like to be God's favorite. #blessed

gentle bobcat
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If AvP only offered JagLink LAN multi-player.

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Ohhh... your buttons appear to be grey. I think mine are all black. (bsides the red ones)

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@mental briar - I assume you also got the Predator and Alien overlays? I've not actually spend any serious playtime as anything other than the Marine.

mental briar
gentle bobcat
#

So, does your 3 button bring up the MiSTer OSD? Mine does. I haven't figured out why yet.

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I think it may also select the weapon it is for as well, but I haven't gotten that weapon yet so not sure.

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I probably should check out the Reflex Adapt (which is $15 off right now I think) documentation to see if I'm doing anything wrong.

mental briar
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what are you using to use your jag controller now?

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I wonder if there is something messing up the bind

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using the adapt, my 3 button works fine

thin sky
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@gentle bobcat - I use a real jaguar controller with reflex adapter, 0 issues.

gentle bobcat
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Same here... Reflex with real Jag controller.

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And the ability to map any extra stuff has disappeared too. I'm using a Jaguar Pro controller reproduction that was made by Songbird Productions a few years back.

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It worked at first but whenever I try to remap the controller, it gets to where it asks if I want to do extra buttons and I say yes, and then it just starts all over again from the beginning.

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For example, I'd like to map the left and right shoulder buttons to 3 and 4.

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I've been making a few new SD cards... by doing Mr Fusion, booting it the first time so it'll resize to the size of the media, and then copying over update_all, setting options for that and then performing an update. When done, copying over my games directory that I got from a fully configured card... and as well as a few things from config and scripts. Maybe I have some side-effects of doing it that way.

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I was surprised to discover that files that in .CFG are binary.

mental briar
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Aren’t there weird mappings with that controller?

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like aren’t the shoulders mapped to 7 and 9 by default?

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and xyz is like 123?

rain sierra
#

From what I've read, yes. XYZ and LR are just alternates for 1,2,3 and 7,9

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Kind of like when people run into issues with the M30 DE9 version when they try to map L and R. It's just alternate C and Z so the OSD won't allow them to be mapped again.

gentle bobcat
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It was working and allowed me to remap that stuff. If that doesn't actually work, fine... but it is odd that asking to map extra buttons just restarts the entire process over without any of the extra stuff. Weird.

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It was working fantastically the first week but again, after I made a couple new microSD card setups, it's been mad.

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I'm glad it's just me.

mental briar
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maybe try mapping it in the menu core first

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because that’s where you’d map the menu button

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and that’s where you could correct that

gentle bobcat
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Will try that ASAP. I was supposed to get two NOS Jag controllers today but the snow plow didn't make the shared mailbox thingie reachable by the USPS folks... so I went and snow shoved it out... so maybe tomorrow.

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"delivery location unreachable"

thin sky
#

Anyone have a black button Jaguar controller? I really despise the pack-in one, the dpad is prob the worst i've ever seen on a controller but I hear the black button one has its own subset of flaws.

mental briar
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Oh the dpad is bad across the board

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@ashen spoke is the resident expert but I believe the grey button one is the “superior” one?

tranquil cape
#

Thicker cord too right?

gentle bobcat
#

Ok, since last night I shoveled the snow from blocking my neighborhood's mailboxes... the two new-old-stock Jaguar controllers I ordered arrived today... and I'm not having the problem with keypad 3 bringing up the MiSTer OSD menu. Yeah. Might have something to do with taking TheJesusFish's suggestion on also mapping the controller at the top level menu rather than just for the Jag core. I'm happy to report that 30 year old, never-been-used controllers are functioning like they are brand new.

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Since I don't necessarily want to use the Jaguar controller for all other cores, perhaps I should look into that top level thing in the MiSTer menu where you can switch between configurations. I've not used that before. Recommended?

fallow salmon
#

don't really need to switch config just start using another pad

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every pad gets its own unique mapping

urban mango
gentle bobcat
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@urban mango - You have a source of parts?

urban mango
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These parts came from ebay - seller was “videogex”

gentle bobcat
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For "revision B" controllers. Hmmm, I wonder if that is also indicative of the difference between the grey button vs black button controllers?

stone vault
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I wonder if Console5 sells any Jag stuff

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I got a lot of replacement parts for controllers from them in the past

midnight robin
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There are audio distortion problems in Flashback (intro sequence) and Rayman (demo mode: Picture City sequence), with DualRAM.
Are these already known?

gentle bobcat
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First I've heard of it.

mental briar
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I can look in a sec

mental briar
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so weirdly, I don’t any sound in rayman on dual ram. only single

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excited to chase that one down…..

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weird, must have been a transient issue

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I don't hear any sound distortions in flashback. waiting for rayman to get to picture city

spare idol
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Has there been any new progress with the Jag core since the last release? I'm very happy with the state of where it's at now, so if dev is continuing? that's very exciting to me.cheers

mental briar
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Grey has some stuff on github but nothing has been built and released since the 23rd

spare idol
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Ok I'll have a gander. thanking thee.

ashen spoke
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Jaguar 🪿

mental briar
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No, picture city is good here, @midnight robin. Are you using analog audio by chance?

rotund portal
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Just a quick update on CoJag...

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I totally forgot it was even a thing, until about two nights ago.

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slamy kindly sent me a copy of the Verilog, from the translated VHDL tg68k core.

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That core has some support for 020 mode, but still with a 16-bit Data bus.

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I do intend on getting the Jag core working in the verilator sim again.

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And adding in that tg68k verilog, to see if I can get any 68020 CoJag games to boot.

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And/or, shove the Verilog into the core, and just seeing if it works on the FPGA.

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Pretty much only Area 51, and Area 51 : Maximum Force Duo, I think.

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So may not be worth the effort. lol

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But, IIRC, last time I tried to get the game to boot on the core, it did seem to be some missing 020 instruction stuff that was causing it to crash. So we'll see.

mental briar
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Area 51 here we come

rotund portal
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lol

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To be completely honest, with the amount of time it takes to debug some of this stuff, one of my main caveats is...

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"How many (good) games will this get working?"

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ie. if it's only one or two, vs working on a core to get multiple games working at once, it may not always be worth it.

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It was quite hard to even get some STV stuff to start booting, and that's nowhere near 100% yet, even with Srg working on it.

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Took me most of a week, and about 40 recomples, to get Lightgun support added to Saturn. lol

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Oh, jeez. I forgot about the X16 thing, too.

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Gonna shove that on github tonight.

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Minus the BIOS / BIOS sources.

uncut atlas
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it has 2x the ram doesnt it?

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seems problematic

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and a faster bus

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maybe the same bus

rotund portal
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I think it's fairly the same, but will use more SDRAM, yep.

thorny swift
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I’m still happy to probe the board @rotund portal but for one game honestly I think you should work on something else 🤷🏻‍♂️

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We have Area 51 on consoles anyway

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I should just mail you a PC-FX 🤣

mental briar
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No! it is one of the forbidden cores. No one know what will happen if 3DO, CD-i, Jaguar, and PC-FX are all on the same SD card.

thorny swift
mental briar
rotund portal
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Can only compile the sim thing atm, when the original netlists folders are in the project.

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Well, not the netlists, but a lot of the folder structure has changed since the old repo I'm using.

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So it's gonna take a while, to get the sim running from the newer MiSTer rtl.

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There are also two new rework folders in the MiSTer repo, and I'm not sure which files in the OG rtl folder those override

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ie. whether there are duplicate files, and it needs to take some from the rework folder (or not).

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Always "fun".

nova frost
gentle bobcat
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I bet the JagCD support would totally be impossible. (trying to provide a challenge)

rotund portal
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Not impossible, but a fair bit of work.

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At least the CD BIOS runs now. lol

rotund portal
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It ain't doing much atm.

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Was awkward to even get the MSVC project to compile, because I'm using Verilator 5 now

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The main core clocks seem to be toggling away, but Tom ain't happy.

rotund portal
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Oh

# 
(*keep*) wire fx68k_clk = sys_clk & cpu_clken_dbg;
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Might not be much point me trying to use this ancient verilog.

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I'll try to get it compiling with the latest rtl tomorrow.

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It's doing... something.

rotund portal
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Tried running verilator on the latest core code.

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It needs ifdefs, and generic replacements for everything that uses altsyncram (the altera/Intel specific code for instantiating on-chip memory).

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Oh, it already has some, but says ifdef SIMULATION, instead of ifdef VERILATOR

midnight robin
uncut atlas
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please remove all simulation tags if you ever do a PR

thin sky
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Would be cool to get JagCD for Primal Rage

midnight robin
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@tropic rock Is audio (music) distortion during Flashback intro a known bug or limitation?

severe moon
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Talking about JagCD ... VLM anyone? Atari

tropic rock
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/media/fat/Jaguar/jag/jaguar# cksum Flashback\ -\ The\ Quest\ for\ Identity\ (World)\ (En,Fr).j64
3649252497 2097152 Flashback - The Quest for Identity (World) (En,Fr).j64

sudden palm
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same for me , I don't hear anything strange

mental briar
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I’m checking again but I didn’t hear anything either

mental briar
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So there maaaaay be something. I need to pull the audio out of the mister and compare it that way. It feels less like distortion and more like a mixing thing. I dunno, I haven’t had my coffee yet so I could be imagining things. When I get back home I’ll poke at it

midnight robin
midnight robin
mental briar
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My precious Jaguar

midnight robin
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I'm enjoying it massively, never had the Jaguar back in the day and I am impressed with some of the games: Rayman, Raiden, Tempest... it has a handful of jewels indeed

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BTW, in Pinball Fantasies, there seems to be massive flickering on the text that shows the hi-scores, etc on each table.
Was it like that on the original Jag too?

mental briar
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yeah, looks like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc7BRzwAoy0

YouTube
World of Longplays
Atari Jaguar Longplay [08] Pinball Fantasies

http://www.longplays.org

Played by: MadMatty

Pinball Fantasies, Jaguar conversion by Spidersoft and Published by 21st century Entertainment in 1995.

"Turn your Jaguar into the ultimate amusement arcade with Pinball Fantasies - the greatest pinball simulator ever. This classic game offers four scorchingly addictive tables with the most realist...

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midnight robin
tropic rock
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I think I have seen real pinball machines that flash like that. At least part of it is to catch the eye. Hard to stand out in a long line of pinball arcade machines.

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Or maybe to distract the player so they drop the ball.

mental briar
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@tropic rock anything we could be doing to help you out, duder?

tropic rock
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I wouldn't mind seeing the spreadsheet filled in if anyone was bored.

mental briar
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oh ho ho, now you're speaking my language

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do you care about the single/dual ram split? or are you just concerned with dual ram atm?

warm oasis
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Not looked at the sheet for awhile, but it was in a right state. Counters all broken, conditional formatting gone, a load of games added in that I am assuming at homebrews? But are not marked what they are, testing status name changed (that broke things). I've tried to tidy it up a bit. I am not looking at the history so don't know who did these, but as a general rule if you don't know what you are doing don't go in and change formats on a sheet, and if you break things then revert or at least mention it so it can be fixed

mental briar
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Was probably me

tropic rock
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dual ram is more important but adding a column for single or info in the notes is fine. I think a crc column would be a good idea too

warm oasis
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What do you want to track in the crc collumn?

tropic rock
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crc of the rom tested. It seems like some of the reports were specific to certain versions

mental briar
tropic rock
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Seems like a good idea

mental briar
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I'll get dual ram done today if someone else wants to tackle single ram

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@warm oasis I'm afraid to touch anything, so can you rename column D to "Single RAM State"

mental briar
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Ok, everything tested in dual ram. Found some new issues:

  • Hyper Force needs another game booted before it will have sound
  • Phase Zero crashes after the load screen
  • Zool 2 isn't playable due to the game getting screwed up once you start moving

Everything else notated was known. I put the CRC of the roms I used in the comments

tropic rock
mental briar
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@warm oasisI changed the name of orange to "Boots with issues". I updated the name in the tallying formula at the bottom of the page, but it won't automatically select the color (so I have probably done something wrong)

tropic rock
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Zool 2 seems ok to me

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/media/fat/Jaguar/jag/jaguar# cksum Zool\ 2\ (World).j64
1727863082 2097152 Zool 2 (World).j64

mental briar
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1727863082 2097152

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you loaded into game and could jump around?

tropic rock
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yep

mental briar
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hrm

tropic rock
mental briar
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let me go try on my mister downstairs to rule out this screen giving it issues

tropic rock
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Phase Zero works if selecting Enter Combat. Does Enter Network require Jaglink? Or is it just a different mode maybe?

mental briar
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Oh maybe! I didn’t think of that. I was thinking of it like hackers or some shit. That would make sense

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Also, zool works fine my mister hooked up via DV

tropic rock
mental briar
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Something about my config upstairs. iPad screen down here is fine

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Yeah, that’s likely it. I didn’t even think to check if there was another game mode. I was like “this is a 90s game and they probably want me to jack in or whatever”

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was I at least right about Hyper Force? 🙏

tropic rock
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Looks reproducible. Good find.

mental briar
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No idea what is causing zool to screw up on this one screen. I’ll have to bring another mister up to check it

tropic rock
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Yeah. That looks weird. Maybe an sdram issue?

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Would like to know if others see it

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Oh and there is a headlights button on Power Drive Rally

mental briar
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I assumed it was just that I got “lucky” with two night levels

mental briar
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unplugged everything and plugged everything back in and now it's fine

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which is the worst feeling in the world

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So now we play everyone’s favorite game

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ashen spoke
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I haven’t had issues with Zool 2 if that helps

mental briar
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Started going through single ram, but I'm not sure it's worth it yet. Tested 4 games, 2 of them have weird texture and sprite issues (that aren't present on dual ram)

hidden blade
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Which games?

mental briar
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atari karts and arena football

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bangers

hidden blade
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Can't see any issues for these games on my single SD ram MiSTer.

mental briar
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Sprite missing here. (Single versus dual)

IMG_2872.jpg IMG_2873.jpg
dreamy hinge
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so that atari kart thing probably needs to be done over and over. the sprite it loads there is random

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and it is possible one of the randoms is 'no sprite'

mental briar
mental briar
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and the only way I can reproduce it reliably on single core is to load the game, and then reload the core

dreamy hinge
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I was doing that too and got a ton of them with sprites just fine and then one without so I dunno

mental briar
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yeah, so far, if I load the game (wait for it to get into the acutal game) and then do Core>jag single ram, and let the game auto load, I get an empty car 100% of the time

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(so far)

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it may be that, on single ram, that serves up the empty car first, I dunno. but it's always the purple car (which has the goose(?) in it every time I do the same process on dual core)

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Yeah, from a cold boot if I do

  1. Load Jag Core
  2. Load Atari Karts (and wait for the title screen)
  3. Go to Core > Jag Core, reload it, and wait for the game to auto-boot
  • On the dual ram core I always get the purple car with the duck/goose/bird
  • On the single ram core I always get an empty purple car
hidden blade
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Never got an empty car after 10x loads.

mental briar
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Following those steps? (you have to reload the core by selecting it from the core list, not by resetting)

hidden blade
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yep.

mental briar
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what's the crc of your rom?

hidden blade
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redump .j64, i don't think they differ

mental briar
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it could if you are using a mislabled beta rom

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e28756de

hidden blade
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sha-1 is 9c96e6c2195ce56aa930e677a041b35bd9b8bc7e

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CRC SFV32 is the same what you posted.

mental briar
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weird. I've tested it on 4 misters now. all the same. rom is local on your sd card?

hidden blade
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I think it's random. It probably could happen that the cart is empty if you try often enough.

mental briar
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i get it every time with that method. I haven't yet seen an empty kart on dual ram

hidden blade
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The Rom is on my external SSD

mental briar
hidden blade
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Strange. i got it now after 15-17 tries. I would said it's randomly intended from the game. Doesn't explain your issue though, that it happens all the time on your Mister.

mental briar
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4 misters

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maybe it's a save data thing, or a cifs thing. but it's all 4 of my misters (2 de10s with dual ram, a dual ram mister pi, and a single ram qmtech) 🤷

hidden blade
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Zool works great here too. No garbled graphics.

mental briar
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yeah, that was a transient thing. only on one of my misters

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and not since I unplugged and replugged everything

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beyond that though, attack of the killer penguins still crashes after the character select on single ram and the battle sphere music is still goofed on single ram. gonna take some time to iron everything out there (if that's even possible)

hidden blade
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Couldn't hear any music issues in Battle Sphere, but i never had a real Jaguar. Attack of the Mutant Penguins works for me in PAL mode (with minor graphics glitches), NTSC mode gives me a black screen after character selection (with sfx still running in background).

mental briar
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yeah, battle sphere you have to compare to the original music. https://youtu.be/b_CsU7imgTM?si=Z3ta8iAbT6D_TVO0

YouTube
Retro Flashback
Battle Sphere Gold - Atari Jaguar Intro

Battle Sphere Gold is a space combat simulator game developed and published by 4Play/ScatoLOGIC for the Atari Jaguar console in 2000. The game features fast-paced combat in space, with players piloting a variety of spacecraft and engaging in dogfights against enemy ships. The game was notable for being one of the last commercial releases for the...

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single ram seems to slow it down or play it off beat - it’s weird

stone vault
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Shit I just discovered there was a dungeon crawler released for the Jaguar! And that recently it got a major update and re-release! I must find a rom!!

grizzled mantle
stone vault
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It's called Towers II

grizzled mantle
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Ah, yeah forgot bout that one. Thanks!

stone vault
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It got an updated release recently with big fixes n stuff.. pretty cool

mental briar
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There is definitely a copy of it in the archive pack. Did you grab the updated version, @stone vault? if so, can you check either the checksum, crc, or sha1 of it and post it here? I wonder if the one in the pack is updated or not

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will be useful for testing

stone vault
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I never even heard of this game till last night lol

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So I don't have it

mental briar
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ahh ok

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I will see if I can track down the patched version

stone vault
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You are a god among men good sir.

supple finch
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and fish.

mental briar
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ehh, it looks like it’s actively being sold by songbird, so that one will have to wait a couple of years, I am afraid. I wish they would sell the rom

stone vault
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There's still the original version from 1997 out there somewhere

mental briar
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that’s in the pack. if you look in the normal places, you’ll find it

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I tested it yesterday

warm oasis
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Is the sheet all fine now @mental briar or is there something that needs tweaked?

midnight robin
mental briar
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I didn't want to touch it but, with all the testing done yesterday, I thought it was important to have categories that made sense for the stage we are at

warm oasis
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Ah OK, needs the conditional formatting updated, will sort that in a few

mental briar
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thanks duder. sorry for gumming it up again

mental briar
warm oasis
mental briar
stone vault
thorny swift
stone vault
thorny swift
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Oh I know 🙂 I just can’t find the files. Songbird isn’t selling them separately

stone vault
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Oh I got ya buddy 😉

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If I come across it I'll be sure to let you know

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Shane they don't sell the rom but I get why

thorny swift
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Slide into my DMs like you bought me steak and lobster when you do 🤣

stone vault
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😂

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I'm sure the game is average at best, but I fucking LOVE dungeon crawlers. Would be a really unique experience on the Jag

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Holy lord it sells for $99.95

glossy iron
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The stargazer edition is a really good Update on an average game

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Especially the controls have been updated well so that the game flow is way better, like inventory management and open doors, etc

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Also got better textures and a smoother frame rate. Fun fact is, that the original developer of the 1996 version updated the game themselves

mental briar
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I wish they would sell the rom. I'd happily pay for it

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but I understand why they don't

stone vault
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Yeah for sure

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$99.95 is also a tough asking price.

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For diehard Jag fans, I'm sure that's an easy purchase, as someone who is "meh" on the Jag, but would totally love to play this game, $99.95 just ain't ever gonna happen

glossy iron
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Yeah it was an easy purchase, but understand that not everyone wants to spend 99$ just to try the game. The Jaguar aftermarket is a tough one. Not many developers/publishers, cart production is expensive in small quantities and the audience is much smaller like on the genesis/mega drive or the NES. Jaguar Homebrews often only move numbers of around 100-200 copies

stone vault
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Makes sense for the cost then

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It's tailored for an extremely niche market, and that market is willing to pay to make it happen. I can totally respect that

mental briar
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@tropic rock Would doing a single ram pass be helpful to you at this point? I took the day off of work because I have an incredible head cold, so once the coffee and sudafed kick in, I will have time

tropic rock
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The dual ram tests were much more important to me and are greatly appreciated. I will likely not be looking at single ram for some time. If you want to fill it in that would be fine, but it is not urgent for me. It might be more useful to others running single ram to have the info. For me it would only be out of curiosity for now.

mental briar
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ok, we will see how bored I get

ashen spoke
mental briar
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definitely some bangers

near aurora
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Jaguar’s strongest soldier

thin sky
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Jaguar prices are all over the place

ashen spoke
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Yeah, it doesn’t have the audience or staying power to have stabilized prices yet. Might all settle down in a year once everyone’s figured out the price the general public is willing to pay.

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But prices are spiking due to increased awareness of Jaguar thanks to the recent Atari compilations and people trying to cash out. So you’ve got a lot of new retro game collectors who don’t know what they’re doing entering the equation which is why you see random spikes.

mental briar
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There are also fewer jaguars than any(?) "mainstream" retro console?

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Really everyone is buying them because they need controllers to play on Grey's core. That's the reason for the spike

fresh urchin
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There has been a lot of home brew released for the jag lately too. A ton of Atari st ports

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Granted, having owned a jag since launch, my opinion is any money is too much for a jag 🤡

tall musk
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Anyone want to buy my jag collection? 😏

dreamy hinge
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$5 is my first and final offer

ashen spoke
mental briar
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Oh I 100% think it does. Look at that silly LRG CDi controllers

ashen spoke
mental briar
thin sky
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Me - "today i am beating AVP on the Jag" Me: 20 min into AvP running around in circles - 'Hrm, wonder what is on the latest Saturn core"

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Anyone that has beaten this game has my respect

gentle bobcat
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@thin sky - Just find a guide... there are a few online... with maps.

thin sky
sudden palm
mental briar
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I M M E R S I V E

tall musk
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And then you get to do it two more times.

icy star
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Bonjour, je suis nouveau, je cherche les fichiers pour tester l'atari jaguar 🙂

sudden palm
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test cores

uncut atlas
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what?

forest tartan
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Been 40 years since I did French,but at a guess. Hello, I am new, I'd like to download the test version of the Jaguar core. Just call me Sherlock Holmes me. 🙂

sand jungle
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Hi there, first time posting here on the Jaguar core group. Quick question, Is the latest release availble under "unstable-nighties" ? or somewhere else ? Thank you in advance to any help !

mental briar
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Check #test-builds

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It’s only released here for now, so it’s in test builds

gentle bobcat
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I think the most current version is from Jan 23rd.

mental briar
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It is

remote pecan
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The latest version of this core is now automatically downloaded by the Insert-Coin update_all script, alongside a few others.

mental briar
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The wip script does as well.

ashen spoke
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Je suis un grand jambon, hon hon hon!

mental briar
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Time to play as the developers intended

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mental briar
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Found a bug in AVP. UI corrupts on the Alien Ship similar to one of the first core releases. https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Jaguar_MiSTer/issues/10

Save file is attached. Loading Save B will put you on the alien ship with a good amount of health and ammo. Enough to stabalize and have a chance to look around

📎 Alien_vs_Predator_World.sav
GitHub
[Dual Ram] UI glitching / corruption on the Alien Ship · Issue #10 ...

Playing through this masterpiece and caught some graphics corruption on the Alien ship. It was akin to the one of the first releases of the reworked core. Where the background seemed to combine and...

mental briar
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Finished the marine campaign. Only bug I found was the one above.

Can anyone with real hardware confirm the frame rate? Especially at the end (when you ||set the self destruct||) I think we were close to sub 10fps. Wouldn’t surprise me if that’s correct, but want to confirm.

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Seems like marine is the longest campaign so I’ll try to knock the others out this week

mental briar
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based on this, it seems like the core is still slower than real hardware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P87gqZh9ayQ

YouTube
WookieFragger
Alien Vs Predator for Atari Jaguar - Gameplay on REAL JAGUAR HARDWARE

Happy 4/26! I learned earlier today that today is Alien day (because of the planet LV-426), so I figured it'd be a great excuse to stream this scary Atari Jaguar exclusive FPS! Alien Vs Predator marks the first time developer Rebellion would release a game in this series, and its frightening gameplay and clever use of the license make it one of ...

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tropic rock
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Linked timestamp is about 47 minutes in

mental briar
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lol, I was just about to post that (found a couple of different vids with both the UI corruption and blue shadow in the queen room). I'll close the issue. I feel like the speed is still off, but I can't really find any videos that call out actual hardware that get that deep into the the game

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I won’t file the speed stuff yet since there is still probably a lot of other stuff worth addressing first

fleet helm
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what is the plan for a controller once this is available on the mister? I can see playing with a 3 or 6 button controller, but what about the number pad?

mild karma
mental briar
fleet helm
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interesting

mental briar
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You can also just bind what the game needs (which is not helpful in some cases because AVP uses everything but * and #) and that works too

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but yeah, there is no good substitute for a jag controller here. and getting a jag controller up and running is like ~100 bucks (50 for the controller, 35 for the adapt, and 10 for the cable)

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or you could use a keyboard

fleet helm
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funny story, just texted my brother and he sent me a picture of a haul of retro controllers (coleco, sega master system, etc) he got from the MIT flea, and lo and behold, there was a 6 button pro jag controller. the bin of controllers was 10 bucks he said

mental briar
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wow

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that 6 button goes for a pretty penny

fleet helm
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yeah i just looked it up

mental briar
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It's not really a six button (xyz and the triggers are just bound to keypad numbers), but it would be a good thing to snag

fleet helm
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oh, to clarify, the jag controller was 10. i misread his text

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still, a deal

mental briar
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yeah definitely

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I'd love to get my hands on one of those

fleet helm
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so chatting some more with my bro, we are thinking of 3d scanning the controller housing and coming up with a pcb design to utilize usb. anyone have any thoughts on that?

mental briar
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If you produce them, I would buy one

fleet helm
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good to know. i was more asking if anyone has heard about a project like that. I've been doing a bunch of searching since i chimed in earlier and cant find much at all

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just the connector for the og port

mental briar
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Yeah, I don't think anyone has done a jag repro with USB. Someone (as you saw) was producing JAG>USB adapters for a while, but that was the closest it came

gentle bobcat
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Stating the obvious here, but the Reflex Adapt is the general-purpose whatever-to-USBb adapter.

thin sky
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@mental briar - I have a real Jag, want me to do a comparo on the speed? The OG is actually pretty damn choppy, but unless you use the turbo feature I do agree the base speed feels slower.

mental briar
thin sky
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Play as the alien or what?

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I am not very far in it and still struggling in the marine area lol

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I have an OLED above my CRT, I'll have both going at the same time

mental briar
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Yeah, play as the alien

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You’ll start on the ship

tall sequoia
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Please can just somebody with the technical knowledge / skills make a batch of Jaguar to USB adapters ? Or should I just accept my fate and order a Reflex box with a Jaguar and a Saturn cable (now that the Saturn core supports Light Guns = you need a way to connect OG Saturn stuff 🙂 ) from the US and get it over with 😛 ?

ashen spoke
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Saturn core also supports USB light guns

mental briar
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I don’t think anyone is producing them anymore. I genuinely think that, right now, the only way to use a jaguar controller over usb is the reflex adapt. I looked around for a while before realizing the adapt did it

ashen spoke
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Ohhh ok, makes sense

mental briar
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there was someone producing them back in 2019, but they stopped

tall sequoia
ashen spoke
tall musk
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Reflex feels like a better use of money long-term for the MiSTer.

mental briar
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It’s very cool

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Pork just cooked up a new firmware release that supports rumble packs

ashen spoke
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Jaguar ** 𝐓𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐒𝐡𝐞𝐞𝐭 **

Spreadsheet - [LINK]

(thanks to @warm oasis for this invaluable community resource; reach out to him if you’d like to contribute)

pseudo salmon
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I think I read this just the other day, but where do I put the games? Is it just in the "games" directory in a folder called "Jaguar"?

mental briar
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games/Jaguar

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media/fat/games/Jaguar specifically

pseudo salmon
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Thanks!

pseudo salmon
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Hmmm. I must have done something wrong. I have the single RAM core, I load it, it sees the games in the proper format, but I wasn't sure about direct video, so I pasted the lines into the mister.ini file. Maybe I don't use that. I'm not sure. I pasted "[jaguar]
direct_video=0" at the end of the ini. Is that what I messed up, perhaps?

fleet helm
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i downloaded the latest core, set it up as yall stated but when i run a game, it just sits at black. no error message or anything.

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i have the single ram core

pseudo salmon
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Same.

fleet helm
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boo 😦

mental briar
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you guys are missing the bios most likely

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check the pins

fleet helm
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oh maybe...

mental briar
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if you don’t get the logo and roar when you load the core, the bios isn’t loading

fleet helm
mental briar
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it is my goal to have everyone……..experience…..the jaguar

pseudo salmon
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It loads the red screen with the Jaguar logo, but it freezes there.

fleet helm
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try loading a game

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it did the same for me but the game ran

pseudo salmon
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The button to go to the load screen doesn't open.

mental briar
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take the direct_video=0 out of your ini

pseudo salmon
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Oh I see what's happening. My USB cable is disconnecting. Swapping that. Didn't realize it had a short in it.

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Thanks for all the help! Got it going.

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I take it that if it works, it was correct to turn direct video to 0 or it wouldn't be working now, correct?

mental briar
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If you’re using direct video on other cores, Jaguar works fine. I have enabled on my tink4k mister

pseudo salmon
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Also, wow, this core is working spectacularly on single RAM for me so far. This is very impressive. I love it. I also own a Jaguar, but playing on here with HDMI is great.

mental briar
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I wonder if that message is still pinned

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but you can remove it

pseudo salmon
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Okay, on it. Now I get the difference. I think I conflated the term and had it backwards. Appreciate the info.

fleet helm
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i remember seeing the jaguar in a pile at KB Toys shortly after it was discontinued and it was lke $60 bucks. If I werent 14 and had money, I would have bought one

mental briar
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its still slower, but it's getting better

vernal arrow
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Im so surprised how much I enjoy it

mental briar
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(it's one of my favorite cores)

vernal arrow
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NBA Jam, Rayman, AvP

mental briar
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I find it fascinating

vernal arrow
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Yeah and the real controller makes it that much better

mental briar
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"better"

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But yes, I wouldn't play it any other way

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I'm sitting here on ebay deciding if I need another controller for my upstairs mister

vernal arrow
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Its the real experience

mental briar
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because right now I'm carrying the controller up and down with me

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and we can't have that

vernal arrow
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I dont see how you can afford not to get another one

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And reflex adapt too

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😂🤷‍♂️

mental briar
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I have two adapts already :p

severe moon
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Which adapter are you using?

mental briar
severe moon
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Ah, I missed that part https://misteraddons.com/products/hdmi-controller-adapters?variant=40250233487493

MiSTer Addons
Controller Adapters (SNAC/SNAX/SNAX64/Reflex Adapt)

PSX AND N64 REQUIRE SNAX/SNAX64. PC-Engine adapters are now in stock! Note that 6 button pads are not supported and Turbo doesn’t work 100% like the original console due to the fast response time required by the original hardware. If either of those are requirements you’ll want to look for dshadoff’s PC-Engine specific

ashen spoke
dusk slate
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I see Robby has reached the pinnacle of his mod powers!

ashen spoke
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pins updated

halcyon surge
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Ok so by the looks of the combatibilty tracker dual ram is needed. is it worth spending to upgrade just for this core though? I knoow ill get some gains with saturn, but im pretty happy with Saturn and STV single ram

dusk slate
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There's a single ram build as well. It just isn't as reliable as the dual ram build.

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Really just depends on how much you love the Jaguar.

forest tartan
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11quid from TAki for the 128meg, at least that's what I paid $15 is about £11

dusk slate
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Or how much you enjoy the testing phase of core development.

halcyon surge
mental briar
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single hasn't been extensively tested

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I only ran through dual because that's what grey said he wanted

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once we get dual nailed down, I imagine grey will revisit single

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but AVP runs on single

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you'll find that most things do - it's a little slower but the core is already a little slow

halcyon surge
dusk slate
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Oh yeah, it's way more than 3–4 games.

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Just try it out!

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That much is free!

mental briar
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yeah, no harm in just giving it a shot. I really think most things work

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they just haven't been extensively tested on single

halcyon surge
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Cool. Yeh i just downloaded a rom set, so ill give it a go tomorrow when i get the chance. Almost pushed the button on a AV Pro or Digital IOand extra stick of ram so many times lol.

stone vault
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Saturn I read works slightly better with dual ram. 3DO could possibly need dual ram

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I just run dual ram cause I'm never gonna use analog video out anyways

mental briar
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yeah, if you're using HDMI anyway, you may as well pay taki 20 bucks or whatever for a 2nd stick

warm oasis
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Yeah, at this point with his ram being so cheap you may as well put an extra 20 dollars into your hobby

stone vault
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Also in relation to that opl3 now freeing up extra space for potential performance gains. Could be really useful for a game that syndicate Wars that if it could get even just an extra 5 fps boost would be huge

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Bah wrong chat channel

gentle bobcat
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For the purpose of discussion, it would be interesting to learn what if any plans the devs have. It has been very quiet and the last release is over a month old. Saying that smells of entitlement, but I'm really just curious how close what we have is at the limits... and how much more improvement is even possible. That goes for both the single and dualram branches. I got the impression that getting the dualram to improve is going to be difficult in the first place so don't expect anything additional from the singleram. Now people can correct me.

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I would love to contribute some funds for a JagCD bounty but the devs who have worked on it thus far, I believe, are not into sponsorship.

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Also playing into it, for the lack of a better term/phrase, are the Jaguar's hardware bugs that aren't documented directly in the netlist they went by... and the why-does-it-not-work when done the correct way, and a-little-voodoo-makes-it-work mystery.

mental briar
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Grey is a lot like Gandalf. The core is never late or early, it arrives precisely when it means to

gentle bobcat
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Do you know something?

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(me attempts to start worthless rumors)

mental briar
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Nah. I’m waiting just like you 🙂

mild karma
ashen spoke
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They’re working on it. When someone has something to share they’ll share. If they don’t they’ll be quiet. Just a waiting game.

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As for the future, they don’t want to commit to any specific answer until they know for sure. And they don’t know for sure until it’s working the way they want.

ashen spoke
dreamy hinge
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Robby's patreon has all the answers

mental briar
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we went a month between builds around the holidays, then grey came back and dropped 4 builds in a row. the fact that work was done on it at all was a miracle

mental briar
ashen spoke
tranquil cape
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I'm still shocked we got a single ram version of the core

gentle bobcat
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I assume the singleram version of the core, to some degree, was a result of the guy who ported it to the Analogue Pocket... but that is a different architecture with some advantages and some disadvantages when compared to the Cyclone V... so I'm unsure.

ashen spoke
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The Cyclone V has way more logic element headroom for cores. I’m confident we’ll get an awesome Jaguar emulator when it’s done.

mental briar
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Maz has also not released anything for the pocket. He did that interview with PCN and then retreated back into the mists

uncut atlas
halcyon surge
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pardon my stupidity, but whats the correct naming for the roms folder, as i dont have one?

gentle bobcat
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@halcyon surge - Jaguar