3DO Console

[white narwhal]

GOAT imo

[lusty crypt]

It true. Seeing his collection was ❤️

[bold burrow]

What about Time Killers? Almost the same name.

[fickle tusk]

It was worth about 2 dollars in quarters to see most of the fatalities as a kid.

[lusty crypt]

Excellent schlock that honestly would've been at home on 3DO. Even time appropriate. 🤔

[bold burrow]

Oh nice the trademark for 3DO is available. Time to go claim it!

[lusty crypt]

Let's bring it back, Robby!

[bold burrow]

No, I’m gonna use it for evil!

[lusty crypt]

[jade quartz]

Yessss!

[lusty crypt]

I have to ask @white narwhal - I know you did some Killing Time videos on the beta versions years ago... any plans for a big Killing Time blowout video?

[white narwhal]

3DO series next year probably

Ive been trying to get the channel BIGGER before I did 3DO

[lusty crypt]

Awesome! Looking forward to it. I've always loved the game. Something about the atmosphere and the vibe connected with me.

With the PC and 3DO versions having such dramatic differences, seems like a good deep dive.

[dull vault]

Makes sense to absorb the 70% audience loss from posting 3DO vids

You’ll have to pay YouTube

Or maybe it will spawn a new monetization mode where YouTube pays you not produce content

[kind hatch]

3D "D'oh!"

[jade sleet]

https://youtu.be/pTlwPAXkdqs?si=TViK0-36_94AS4vV

[white narwhal]

I mean it’s def a series I can’t expect to do big numbers

[dull vault]

Aren’t 90% of the 3DOs in existence at your house? Maybe you could hand them out and create a viewership that way. On Halloween. You’ll be the “3DO house” the kids avoid like the apple slices house

[white narwhal]

90% of the 3DO M2’s lol

[hushed sleet]

I did, but I’ve never played the original

[unique edge]

I have one of those CH sticks here

Too bad they haven't leaked the Wing Commander 4 sourcecode... We could port it to 3DO!

(The sourcecode exists and has been recovered, also WC1/3/4 afaik)

[zealous dune]

Also too bad that the franchise didn't have a proper ending since the proposed new trilogy didn't go beyond Prophecy and ||Maverick ended up being dead or MIA.||

Anyway...

[fickle tusk]

I would have loved a privateer 3. freelancer was as close as we got.

[fickle tusk]

"We're happy to announce our newest FPGA developer
@flxel
; creator of "FreeDO" the first real 3DO emulator and a prominent member in the 3DO community."

hopefully this goes some where!

[agile zenith]

Oh sweet, this could be good...

[unique moat]

Huh? Is this a thing and where was it announced?

Ah, MARS...
https://twitter.com/MARSFPGA/status/1709252064012914718

MARSFPGA (@MARSFPGA)

We're happy to announce our newest FPGA developer @flxel; creator of "FreeDO" the first real 3DO emulator and a prominent member in the 3DO community.

He also wrote DCX - the only commercial grade DC emulator. The future of #FPGAGaming is bright!

#DoTheMath #MARSFPGA

▶ Play video

Twitter · Oct 3, 2023, 5:00 PM

[unique edge]

They had Privateer 3 up to playable beta, it got killed for Earth and Beyond by Westwood.

[fickle tusk]

Damn

[unique edge]

there were 2 attempts at privateer 3

there was also an internal pitch for an FPS game

[fickle tusk]

i guess we wait for star citizen haha

[unique edge]

I am very skeptical of MARS

they haven't dropped anything real, and are big on marketing

that's a pretty bad sign, usually means they want money and hype.

[jade quartz]

MARS is definitely a wait and see project for me.

[unique edge]

I never saw any ads etc for MiSTer, I just stumbled across it on the net.

[fickle tusk]

Yeah I can't get a lot of information about it either. If we can back port killer instinct and 3do to mister... Worth every penny I havn't spent yet.

[lusty crypt]

https://www.timeextension.com/guides/best-3do-games-of-all-time

3DO launched 30 years ago today (in North America)

[clear nest]

Im sorry snart, we all have trauma, sometimes its best to relive it instead of keeping it buried 🫂

[jade quartz]

30 years ago today, I became one of the cool kids.

[oak basalt]

I tried playing 3DO Gex the other day. A good time was not had.

30fps and snapping camera really bring it down. That and it's laid out like a typical Euro platformer.

Which if you like that kind of platformer that's cool. Just not for me.

[fickle tusk]

Not everyone will like the same games. Did you try it on playstation or saturn? I think one of them does 60 fps.

[jade quartz]

PS1 version is definitely 60fps.

Only the 3DO version has save options. Passwords on Saturn and PS1.

[lusty crypt]

Saturn and PS1 versions are the same performance wise. Hate to say it, but the PS1 takes it a step further with heavy transparency effects.

I'm an original Gex nerd. I own CIB copies of every version. 😅

[clear nest]

You bought a neo geo?

[fickle tusk]

nice. I only own it for 3do, no box. I liked it as a kid. I like platformers in general though.

[oak basalt]

No because it's not my type of platformer. Not a fan of collectathons nor that type of level design. But I gave it shot.

I think it's well done graphically for a 3do platformer though.

Its a better game than Soccer Kid!

[fickle tusk]

lol what isn't.

[white narwhal]

I’ll allow this. Your cool status has been cemented

[abstract mist]

Which also means 30 years ago I decided to become $700 poorer.

[lusty crypt]

I knew you'd come around on this, @clear nest

[jade quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-dr-evil-mike-myers-come-join-us-come-here-gif-4627161

[lusty crypt]

Bigger. Badder. Battier.

[clear nest]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-crying-aesthetic-sad-frown-gif-17664948

[jade sleet]

Wow... A best of 3do list that doesn't list a game that is absolute utter shit. Bravo to them.

A lot of lists will have shit like dragon's lair on it... And it's just them like "c'mon bro just try it. It's fun bro. I used to play it in the arcade, it's great bro just try it"

[jade sleet]

The most intriguing platformer on 3DO is Po'ed

[oak basalt]

You sure it's not Demolition Man?

[jade sleet]

No that's just the most intriguing game in general

[oak basalt]

This is true. I have a soft spot for old games with fmv and weird gameplay, lol. I legitimately enjoy Sewer Shark.

[jade sleet]

Demolition man is so good if you have the 3do light gun

[kind hatch]

Mega Race!

With Lance Boyle!

[raw dove]

I'm only hear to say.......

Start a 3do core, get me as a patreon subscriber....unless I'm already subscribed, then I'll up my monthly

You've been warned

[bold burrow]

Why are y’all still talking about the 3DO? I’m already on the 3D2.

[kind hatch]

3D "WOAH!"

[abstract mist]

"If things go well I might be showing her my 3DO face."

[clear nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1061527932612391023/1157416250998272040/image0.gif?ex=65188761&is=651735e1&hm=ad3da961c824d8ddf795bc471b056c63dd69bdccbd83e21d97f017ed4b38c3ac&

[white narwhal]

Lol I have those

And I’m actually getting ready to let a duplicate M2 board I own out into the wild. The rare time anything leaves my collection 🤣

[dapper oar]

@white narwhal I'm still surprised that it exists.

[white narwhal]

My fav is when people comment on videos saying it never existed. When I’m showing it to them. On camera. Playing games 🤷🏻‍♂️

[abstract mist]

...then they go back to Google Earth trying to figure out why they can't find the edges.

[clear nest]

Who could resist?

[lusty crypt]

Classic.

[jade quartz]

It's all true!

[gritty oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/fz1-fz10-real3do-3do-3do-zone-gif-26444506

[lusty crypt]

I love how folks keep bumping this channel! 🥳

Keep the 3DO dream alive!

...in before batty shows up with a joke...

I kid. ❤️ you, batty

[clear nest]

https://tenor.com/view/caity-watching-you-better-i-see-you-im-watching-gif-17081048

[clear nest]

Vaporware. :(

[jade quartz]

Some day my friend. Some day. 🥹

[clear nest]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-peralta-jake-peralta-b99-brooklyn-nine-nine-gif-8793716

[kind hatch]

It will probably be exclusive for MARS.

☹️

[lusty crypt]

Guess we're going to Mars then. 😉

[fickle tusk]

In one of pixels videos they said they would do like joetego. Exclusive on mars, then open source it eventually.

there is still hope.

[lusty crypt]

We all win. 🙂

[jade quartz]

According to the illustrious Awbacon, Robert is going to be stealth releasing a new 3DO core soon. Definitely legit. No shenanigans going on there!............

[vestal terrace]

omG !!!!

PLS DON'T

[lusty crypt]

...we must protect our precious 3DO and Robert from drama... don't give the internet ideas.

[jade quartz]

Obviously I'm kidding. I was only having some fun with a post he made on the N64 thread. Don't kill me (or Awbacon)!

[fickle tusk]

Kill them both for this blasphemy.

[jade quartz]

[raw dove]

No wonder the n64 core gets so few updates

[abstract mist]

Well, you have to prioritize what's more important. 😉

[abstract mist]

As much as I liked the 3DO when it came out (or maybe I'm still trying to convince myself that I liked it more than I did since I spent $700 on the thing when it was released and I'm still trying to justify that decision almost exactly 30 years later), I have to wonder how much a core would be appreciated and enjoyed by those who didn't experience it back then. I'm under the impression that a large factor in how well a 3DO core will be received will be the nostalgia factor by those who owned one and had a lot of fun with it during the first year or so of its very short lifespan. For me, coming straight off the Sega CD, the 3DO simply offered more of what I already enjoyed about what that add-on for one of my favorite consoles brought to the table. However, I can see and completely understand someone experiencing it now for the first time thinking "Wow, this kinda sucks. I mean, some games are okay, and a few are surprisingly good, but..."

If a 3DO core is ever released, I know I'll play the hell out of it. 😉

[oak basalt]

If people look at it through the lens of preservation it's always justified to make a core

[abstract mist]

Agreed. I wasn't talking about the justification of having one. If a core can be made for something, it should be. I will always be in favor of that, even for a system that I have zero interest in or even actively dislike. I was only referring to the reception of it by those who have never experienced the 3DO before.

[oak basalt]

I'd play with her core for sure. There are a few good games.

But it's not on the level of Saturn or PS1.

I think for most it would be this is cool but I can play a better version on x or y console. Very few really good original games on 3do

[clear nest]

As I always say

That Korean and Japanese kusoge library is strong on 3DO, and I wish to experience it

[abstract mist]

That was pretty much my point, when viewed through that lens of what immediately followed it... but the few good games it had I really enjoyed at the time... and still do.

And yeah, I'd love to experience more of the library from other regions on MiSTer.

[oak basalt]

I was there when it was new and it didn't catch my attention

The library was too shallow. It was mostly just fancy graphics (for the time) but no substance.

That was my opinion at the time.

I'm sure I'd appreciate it a bit more now but looking though the library there still isn't a must have experience for me that I can't find elsewhere.

That one Japanese role playing game people try to push is average at best but because it's the only one on 3do people try to make it out to be better than it is

[clear nest]

Oh, the library over there is 90% crap. But I love kusoge so..

[oak basalt]

I like a bad game from time to time myself

[fickle tusk]

I guess the difference is if I was the only using a 3do core. I wouldn't care 🙂

[oak basalt]

That's why having a core is cool. You can experiment. Never know what might catch you. And no emulator out there works perfect that I've seen.

[clear nest]

I find it bizarre that any classic system or computer emulator doesnt have 100% compatability in 2023, personally

[oak basalt]

Yeah. I tried to play a few fighters on it and it moves too fast. Not sure if that's a setting I have or what

Sailor Moon, Yuu Yuu Hakusho

And that crappy shadow fighters or whatever it's called

Of course there's always the king, Demolition Man

That works fine

[jade sleet]

Which ones have you tried?

[oak basalt]

Maybe the wrong one? 4DO I believe

I thought I tried freeDO too

[lusty crypt]

The Opera core for RetroArch is quite good. Some titles benefit greatly from the OC and hi-res rendering features.

[jade sleet]

Freedo is even older than 4do

Neither have been updated in a decade +

[oak basalt]

Oh wow

What's the one to use then?

[jade sleet]

You need Opera or Phoenix

[oak basalt]

Oh ok thanks. I'm look to those

[jade sleet]

3dodev.com has Phoenix builds

Opera is on retroarch

[unique edge]

I wonder what's harder, 68040 core/Apple Mac capable of running OS 7.6/8.1

or 3DO core. Either can be used to run Super Wing Commander...

[jade sleet]

3do core would be harder to implement. There's various aspects of the 3do that would be challenging to reproduce

[jade quartz]

Yeah, like its awesomeness.

[fickle tusk]

I always said you could write your data in 3do format and the idiots at your local police department could never figure out how to read them.

[jade sleet]

I have a 3do that was likely obtained in a case involving a sex offender in California. Found it on ebay

They obtained it and labeled it as if it was a computer

Might have a pic. Let me check

[fickle tusk]

lol wow.

[jade sleet]

If it's from an old case from back in the day, I'm assuming because it could view photo cds. Otherwise it's a possible case of a detective not knowing what it was and taking it as evidence anyway.

What's weird is it shipped from like, Alabama or some shit

(we all know the cops took it to play Gex in the office)

[fickle tusk]

You wouldn't want the files to actually work on the 3do though.

Oh, like that is how they viewed them. They were in photocd format.

[jade sleet]

That's the only thing I can assume

[jade quartz]

Whoa, dis just got R•E•A•L!

[fickle tusk]

You could look up the case and do a FOIA request on it. Plus it should be public record. If you were curious enough.

[jade sleet]

If it's a juvenile case it's likely it was kept private. But that varies state by state I guess

[fickle tusk]

Why do you think a kid owned it?

[jade sleet]

Last I researched it, I believe the JCS at the end meant the case involved a juvenile

3do thread turned into a cold case episode...

[fickle tusk]

haha right.

could have had blood on it from a murder. Used to hide drugs in.

[jade sleet]

You're more than welcome to aid me in the search if you are curious enough ha. I hit a dead end ages ago..it's like the case never existed

3:10-cv-475-JCS

[fickle tusk]

Could also be some rich kids 3do where he had put girls on photocd in high school, with out their knowledge. Showed his friends of course.

You would think if the charges were dropped they would have given it back.

[jade sleet]

I might could call the northern district and see if they can even give me a hint

[jade sleet]

Ha! Yeah they return like, 30% of taken items. Good luck getting anything back after your innocents is proven

[fickle tusk]

good point

[jade sleet]

Probably purchased on a government auction site by someone else

Another time I had found a 3do that had a label from the US Navy, approving it for being aboard a ship

I have a screenshot of it somewhere as well

[fickle tusk]

I heard sadam was buying them up at one point, because they wern't banned for export there.

[jade sleet]

Are you serious or being funny? If you're serious, would you happen to have a source for that? I'd be interested in any info

[fickle tusk]

I don't have any proof. That's what I heard though. Prolly BS.

[abstract mist]

So he was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction!

[fickle tusk]

apparently the embargos kept his tech very low. His missles could only go 2km, with the 3do he could do 4-5km.

but no, never any nukes. just normal missles.

[fickle tusk]

oh yeah and the threat was that he could hit isreal then.

[jade quartz]

Who needs to save an allowance when you can just ask ||(beg until they finally buy it for you so you will shut up)|| your parents to buy it for you?

[fickle tusk]

Is that turd fergison?

[unique edge]

http://users.polytech.unice.fr/~buffa/videogames/3do_faq2.4.html

no idea if the block diagram is useful, but here it is.

[raw dove]

I remember going into gamestop... the 3do was dumb cheap.. like, I honestly want to say $70... and games were $5-10

I could jave had everything for like 300.. my mom said no

I also remember the virtual boy was $50 each and games were 5 each at a kmart.... could have had the lot for like 250....

My mom said no

Now...regardless of which I bought, I probably could have sold it and bought my wife a new car...

The fresh prince didn't lie....

[jade sleet]

All that info is dated. But it gives a little bit of insight as to what was published about 3do, that he recorded

Also the recorded specs of the bus there is incorrect. It's 200. Not 50

[spice mortar]

So has there been any news on a potential 3DO core being worked on or is this another one in the too complex category?

[lusty crypt]

Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president make a 3DO core?

[spice mortar]

I wish I knew where to begin 🙂

[clear nest]

grammar is hard

[kind hatch]

Well there was some news about the 3DO emulators joining the MARS team.

If he makes a core for MARSit could be ported maybe

[kind hatch]

The creator of freedo I think

[jade sleet]

Absolutely no reason to own a jaguar anymore
https://youtu.be/_OLBXDVbULM?si=XhedSRY_kqmymJDK

[abstract mist]

Nope, sorry. Those 'exploding' points are too much.

[lusty crypt]

Indeed. My accessibility brain is screaming.

[abstract mist]

So, there's still a case to be made for the Jaguar... as flimsy as it is (and always has been). 😉

[twin wing]

Ia it framerate accurate?

[lusty crypt]

AvP always gets propped up. Until people play it. 😄

The Sega Saturn version of Tempest 2000 has quietly been the better port forever. I'm partial to Tx3, but that's more of a revision than a port.

[clear nest]

So you dont want to play an fps that plays at 10fps? 🤪

[lusty crypt]

It makes for GREAT screenshots 😄

[clear nest]

But snart, an internet rando said club drive is an underrated gem!

[lusty crypt]

Enough of this Jaguar talk in the 3DO channel!

[jade quartz]

As long as it's trash talk it's fine! Down with Jaguar!

[jade sleet]

He explains it's an emulator quirk

[jade sleet]

Yes

Looks like this on real hardware

[jade sleet]

@lusty crypt oops forgot to tag you earlier too

[jade sleet]

Long playthrough on real hardware
https://www.youtube.com/live/aM4uXBfnNJ4?si=VsE-SxcXevdUOt_l

[lusty crypt]

Still way too much motion and visual overload all the time on the score. It's a weird design choice to make, as T2K doesn't do that at all.

Jeff Minter is a truly mad lad when it comes to trippy effects, but even he chose not to do that. 😄

[jade sleet]

Tempest 2000 does a shit load of that. What tempest 2000 are you playing lol

[lusty crypt]

T2k has the melt-o-vision for power-ups or events, but it doesn't tally every score with giant zooming numbers.

[jade sleet]

Yeah it just zooms and stretches random made up words then quaduble digit numbers and every sprite explodes into the same unfilled dots

[lusty crypt]

But not with literally every shot.

[abstract mist]

Exactly

That was the point I was trying to make

Too much

[lusty crypt]

Did you make this demo? I'm not looking to offend anyone's work. Just pointing out the score effect as being a little too much.

[abstract mist]

I'm perfectly okay with those in-your-face scores appearing after certain milestones like in the Jaguar version... but appearing after almost everything you destroy is just too much. It obscures too much of the playfield and all the other enemies flying toward you. Not being able to see them clearly is a huge problem.

[jade sleet]

Nah I didn't make it, so no offense. I'm just trying to understand what makes the graphics so jarring on the demo when the actual tempest 2000 throws stuff everywhere constantly, given you're playing it like a madman. Any playthrough I see of tk2 on jag where someone is just absolutely killing it, there's always something on the screen exploding into pixels. The first few levels are relatively tame, but after that it stays busy.

If either of you do actually plan on playing it I can suggest to him to move it up or change some scoring logic, otherwise this is the only two complaints I've heard about the points

[lusty crypt]

So real honest technical feedback from a game designer standpoint:

The reason the T2K effects feel ok is that they're not centralized to a single area and animation.

Enemy dissolves, player deaths, the melt-o-vision zooms... They take place in areas around the screen. And each one conveys a different 'event' that is relevant to the player, and draws their attention.

Enemy death animations are direct visual feedback based on player interaction, and they appear where the player is currently observing on the screen. It's action/reaction.

Similarly, the "Eat Electric Death", "Yes Yes Yes" , and other we'll call them Headline messages are consistently above the play area, and the animation is a simple horizontal sway. You see the motion, but it's not in a distracting way.

The score effect in this demo sits in a central place, and appears in every enemy hit. It only obfuscates the play field momentarily, but on rapid succession, the animation stacks causing player distraction.

That's the primary difference from a design standpoint.

And that's just feedback. Take it, leave it, despise it. Just words that anyone can choose to do what they want with.

[abstract mist]

Well said.

[jade sleet]

I'll pass it along

[lusty crypt]

Cool. It's their game, so this is all armchair quarterback stuff. They should make the game THEY want. If they want a centralized scoring display, maybe experiment and find a way where it plays into the player actions instead of distracting. 🙂

[bold burrow]

What’s the O in 3DO stand for?

the face you make when playing the games?

[lusty crypt]

O no Robby is here

[bold burrow]

: O

It was meant to be a dumb compliment but I guess it could be a face of terror lol

[lusty crypt]

Hey Robby: does my feedback above meet your discerning tastes? You did invent the Blood Punch, after all. 😜

[bold burrow]

Yeah that all makes sense. It’s tough to critique visual feedback when you’re not playing the game itself. Visual noise is subjective but you basically need to account for tunnel vision and provide enough context clues to call attention to other parts of the screen while you’re completely absorbed in the small radial of screen space typically in the middle, well for a FPS anyways.

What appears to be a cacophony of visual distractions is actually really subdued when “you’re in the zone” so it’s a totally different manner of interpretation by the user.

[lusty crypt]

Totally. That's why T2K playthroughs look like chaos when watching them. When you're playing, all the cues around the screen act as feedback to types of events.

[bold burrow]

Yah, it’s smart and insightful feedback you provided. I’m not really familiar with T2K but I get the design elements they were going for.

Based on your descriptions anyways

[lusty crypt]

Minter is a quiet genius of using noise as gameplay enhancement.

Until Space Giraffe. Then he just went a little too far.

[bold burrow]

LOL I love Space Giraffe, it’s insane

Day one purchase baybeeeeee!

the eyes of allard cracks me up every time

[jade sleet]

He said he planned on refactoring visuals anyway, since it's the first demo. That he'll keep it in mind

[lusty crypt]

And I can't stress enough: that's just genuine feedback based on footage. It's a WIP and I'm excited to see where it goes! Having new games for the 3DO is awesome. Hats off to them for taking this on.

[jade sleet]

No I get it, I realize my initial messages came off irritated. I'm just a smart ass lol

It's also worth keeping in mind he doesn't plan to emulate t2k to the t either. Most 3do projects are someone's personal interpretation of a game somewhere else. Our guys like making our games distinguishable for the most part. So it may not even be comparable to t2k in some aspects

[lusty crypt]

I know internet culture has predisposed all of us to expect everyone to be mean. But this is the 3DO channel. We're the peaceful types. 😊

[jade sleet]

But it will keep basic structural integrity of what tempest is supposed to be. So it should still be enjoyable

[clear nest]

Speak for yourself, batty lives for chaos! dumps Jaguar in the river

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1117951625999433909/1158047201801535598/image0.gif?ex=651ad300&is=65198180&hm=6c26be3ed7a7592d40ec83c45f1d802a5c4c0a6a68e82b834cbd996b6ac32caa&

[jade sleet]

Send it down the Nile

[lusty crypt]

@clear nest shoo!

[clear nest]

https://tenor.com/view/bat-scarecrow-halloween-party-gif-9913520

[bold burrow]

oh I get it, its because your name has "bat" in it

[clear nest]

https://tenor.com/view/office-space-paul-lee-wilson-gary-cole-what-do-you-do-job-interview-gif-4457028

[lusty crypt]

He mostly says nice things. Mostly.

[bold burrow]

I have no idea.

[fickle tusk]

https://www.retrorgb.com/tempest-gets-homebrew-release-on-3do.html

[white narwhal]

Tempest finally on a good console!

[jade sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq8SCI7T8wc

@lusty crypt @abstract mist he changed opacity on some in game stuff for now, maybe added a few more. Haven't watch the video yet to say for sure just seen his updates in the server

[abstract mist]

Thanks for the update!

Yeah, that looks much better.

[lusty crypt]

Heck yeah! Glad he found a way to make the mechanic he wanted work.

[jade sleet]

Top is the 3DO fan project
Bottom is Sega Saturn commercial release

[oak basalt]

3do looking good

[abstract mist]

Nice!

[jade quartz]

I've always heard that the Saturn and PS1 versions of MKII were horrible, though I've never tried those versions. The SNES version was always my go–to.

[jade sleet]

You heard correct

[abstract mist]

32X is the MKII go-to for me... besides the actual arcade version, of course.

[lusty crypt]

The 32x Arcade Edition hack is a treat. Check it out if you haven't.

[oak basalt]

I don't think mk 2 was even on PS1. I wonder if it would have been as bad as the Saturn version if it had.

Wait was it? Maybe I'm mixing it up

Maybe I'm thinking of ultimate 3. That skipped PS1, right?

Oh ok. 2 was only released in Japan on PS1. That's kind of ironic.

[kind hatch]

I heard the dos version was the best available on MiSTer

Heard it on the street

[abstract mist]

You should know better than to trust a random street fighter when it comes to Mortal Kombat.

[lusty crypt]

It has a funky mode where you can have the camera zoom in and out similar to Samurai Shodown. You can see it in this video about :45 seconds in.
https://youtu.be/GuEQJE_14i8?si=BYlAEKEWe5OwHLn1

[oak basalt]

Weird

[lusty crypt]

Those sprites are looking great! Excited for this. Should've been on the 3DO in the first place.

[jade sleet]

Straight rips from the arcade assets.. no asset is sized down in resolution

[twin wing]

Always makes me wonder how much bettet official ports could have been if pubs cared enough.
32x arcade hack, 32x doom re-something. heck, even those refined mega drive hacks show what could have been...

[bold burrow]

Take into consideration that this is also with 25+ years of programming knowledge and expertise developed for these old systems with modern software that makes it a hundred times easier to develop and iterate. What we have now likely would’ve been impossible back then within a reasonable development timeframe,

[abstract mist]

Removing time constraints and increasing passion for the project can work wonders.

[twin wing]

Excuses!

Mega drive was robbed

[abstract mist]

Robby, what did you do to the Mega Drive??

[bold burrow]

it owed me money

[abstract mist]

Ah, that's okay then.

[jade sleet]

I'd say this excuse mostly applies to 3d games, 2d games have a little less of an excuse

[bold burrow]

it’s not an excuse, it’s an actual major advantage.

[jade sleet]

We're not using any new knowledge over in 3DOLand, still using sdk and docs from 3do headquarters

[bold burrow]

People today are working off of development libraries, tools, coding shortcuts and know how that developers back then would dream to have access to.

[bold burrow]

Yes but you’re taking for granted the fact that you have an entire development community at your fingertips.

[jade sleet]

I didn't mean it as that type of excuse haha just using it in a general sense

[bold burrow]

I’m not saying that to lesson the impact or importance of work being done today.

it’s incredible

But it’s why homebrew now matches or exceeds actual retail games back then

[jade sleet]

I think most of what the problem was back then was time

[bold burrow]

time and money

you can work around time somewhat with bigger teams

[jade sleet]

MK2 right now is running at 60fps with arcade assets and all the parallax every stage offers. Proving super street fighter 2 on 3do could have probably had all it's features. From what I understand ssf2 was kinda rushed

Samurai showdown probably could have been a bit better too

[bold burrow]

This is assuming that they had decent programmers working on it that knew the hardware well enough

[jade sleet]

Crystal dynamics and Panasonic both published several games and had good connections with 3do themselves. It could have been done back then. Even 3do was pushing publishers to rush stuff

[bold burrow]

It could’ve been done on a technical level but you’re also working off 25+ years of knowledge and coding skillsets that’s been developed.

[jade sleet]

Hell crystal dynamics was using level of detail rendering and sub division techniques on 3do back before the 3do released and total eclipse was a tech demo, which is insane considering that was early 1993

[bold burrow]

Yup, very skilled programmers who knew the hardware.

Too bad they weren’t the ones handling ports for the other games.

But even then, engine limitations, sprite limitations, etc could’ve been hurdles.

[jade sleet]

Crystal dynamics was though. They did samurai showdown, which is one I mentioned above that could have been better

[bold burrow]

It’s unfair to say something could’ve been done a quarter of a century ago while standing on the shoulder of giants.

Anything could’ve been done better

[jade sleet]

No, I agree with this

[bold burrow]

Maybe to your point Crystal D had like two months haha

I don’t know

but it’s amazing what passionate people can do with hardware these days

game development has become so much more accessible

I can teach my kids how to make gameboy games using a wysiwyg editor for example

I dreamed of that as a kid myself

[jade sleet]

I think too, a big part of it is that more people have access to game dev... Which means hidden talent is out there

[bold burrow]

Oh yeah definitely!

Which is why we gotta put the word out on MiSTer to get someone interested in the 3DO to make a core

[jade sleet]

The guy doing mk2 doesn't program games or anything in C in his career. He just picked up dev docs and wrote the Tetris game, then skipped to mk2

[jade sleet]

Obviously he has questions about programming in C from time to time, but anyone back then with access to expensive development kits had access to other people the industry.

Now if you wanna talk about 3do homebrew made possible with new knowledge, let's look at the demos of tomb raider and wipeout

[bold burrow]

Kinda sorta. It’s a lot better now but I heard it was very insular in the early 90s.

hiring was the primary source of knowledge sharing or local meetups if you were in a dev heavy area like California

I wouldn’t know though lol

[twin wing]

Sounds alot like "you know what a keyboard is? Great, you are hired as our newest programmer"

[bold burrow]

that’s me!

I know keyboard!!

[jade sleet]

Starfighter debuted at a convention for the acorn pc. Then he was contacted to port it to 3do

That game also used LOD techniques, but a bit more indepth of a lod system than total eclipse

[kind hatch]

Also don't forget that developers in the early 90s still had terrible hair, silly moustaches and questionable fashion sense left over from the late 80s which can severely impact game development

[clear nest]

Jokes on you, our company uses DVORAK.

[jade sleet]

So true

[lusty crypt]

You're the best cheerleader a core could ask for! Go, Robby, go! 📣👏

"core bounties" are probably a terrible idea. Abusive precedent has unfortunately been set.

[bold burrow]

What are they, a buncha Star Trek nerds??

[clear nest]

[lusty crypt]

The developer discussion... to me, one giant advantage we have now (and can take for granted) is the internet.

The answers to questions and shared knowledge are accessible in a way they weren't back then. You just had to "figure it out", and you were racing the clock. A lot of good ideas probably didn't make it due to budgets/time.

[clear nest]

Crunch was a different animal back then, for sure

[jade quartz]

I wake up to an explosion of 3DO discussion!

[lusty crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-still-real-dammit-gif-21013364

[jade sleet]

https://youtu.be/b5YavORkJms?si=_JKcgUEkfqTJmFmL

[lusty crypt]

dusts off 3DO mouse

[unique moat]

I didn't know there was a 3DO mouse...

[jade sleet]

Sold with policenauts and individually

[unique edge]

Has anyone ever tried to copy the techniques used in Crash Bandicoot on the 3DO? My understanding is the game was one of the first to stream 3D content direct from a CDROM

flat shaded polys rendered faster in high res mode than textured polys so crash uses a lot of flat shading, this also avoids hitting memory limits on textures.

[jade sleet]

Are you talking about precalculated math?

As far as precalculated math goes, in that regard, no we don't have anything 100% precalculated.

Closest thing to that, that's not exactly that is crash n burn. People shit on that game but the entire map is rendered and never pops in or out and there is several races with an infinite plane of scrolling clouds.

[bold burrow]

Does that game have view frustrum polygonal culling?

[jade sleet]

Flux capacitors and hydrol fluid

We have no idea how most of our impressive games are coded. Devs never really talked about it.

https://youtu.be/2lDJ6iWgAFs?si=y3PgrZaL75WtmPsI

[abstract mist]

Not only that, but six gyro-controlled antigravic marzelvanes are attached to the ambifacient wane shafts to prevent internal precession. Along the top, adjacent to the panandermic semi-boloid stator slots, are forty-seven manestically spaced grouting brushes, insulated with Glyptal-impregnated, cyanoethylated kraft paper bushings. Each one of these feeds into the rotor slip-stream via the non-reversible differential tremie pipes.

[bold burrow]

lol I swear what I said is a real thing

[clear nest]

https://tenor.com/view/takumi-nishijou-chaos-head-steins-gate-anime-gif-27653854

[abstract mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

[clear nest]

You forgot to tie it back in to a dilithium clock crystal

[unique edge]

Not just precalc maths. I'll link the article

[jade sleet]

Link?

[unique edge]

https://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/02/04/making-crash-bandicoot-part-3/

Btw they made Way of the Warrior on 3DO

[jade quartz]

I always think of Way of the Warrior when I think of Naughty Dog, because it was their first game I played. 😅

[lusty crypt]

I always think of Naughty Warrior when I think of Way of the Dog.

[abstract mist]

Way of the Dog sounds like a technique the Naughty Warrior has perfected.

[unique edge]

Are there any good resources for developing an FPGA core?

[gritty oriole]

I always think of how they invented the video game nude code.

[kind hatch]

Is it possible no one has uploaded a video of the 3DO music visualiser. I can't find one!

[jade quartz]

Oh man, I remember that! It was like a rainbow of colors all smeared together or something.

[lusty crypt]

Interesting. I've never used it. I have an FZ-10 I can capture things from. Does it have a CD visualizer?

[jade sleet]

https://youtu.be/BVSEoyGD03c?si=pauwQSy8DWvWW_Jb

https://youtu.be/3iEp1FjlHeA?si=CP7z-mP_VAKLAYMg

https://youtu.be/rwPu7r5GYXM?si=qVfBziQmKp5OtSpQ

https://youtu.be/08Asb2kOR7U?si=6J2AgtV5KohEsiSf

https://youtu.be/ied5v3AC6JU?si=RMGRSUAfzQLukY71

[kind hatch]

Awesome! Thank you for posting these. I am, however, a little bit annoyed at being reminded of the existence of crazy frog.

One of the effects looks like it might be a mandelbrot fractal thingy which is always cool.

[gritty oriole]

gawd we need a 3DO core so bad.

[clear nest]

Do we, though?

[gritty oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-21780817

[twin wing]

what if mars shows a 3do core tomorrow?

[jade sleet]

https://youtu.be/8EFMsByyqWI?si=o3w5lo3TH8W_lnlX

[bold burrow]

We’re so focused on the 3DO, when are we going to talk about the 3DP?

[clear nest]

Could we not bring up pornography abbreviations in chat plz kthx

[bold burrow]

LOL is that seriously a porn abbreviation? I genuinely had no clue. I just went with the letter after O lol

[clear nest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-lisa-margie-homer-laughing-gif-4474412

[bold burrow]

AHHHH DAMNIT LMAO

[jade quartz]

Robby got pwned!

[lusty crypt]

GTFO NERD

[clear nest]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-nerd-gif-9743791

[bold burrow]

[unique moat]

Well seeing as the person who said they would make a 3DO core for MARS seems to be focussing on Dreamcast I wouldn't expect them to have a 3DO core for potentially many years

[bold burrow]

I want a 3DO core so I can troll this channel more effectively

[clear nest]

Retroarch will do you fine

[bold burrow]

https://youtu.be/NHANbzGfULE

[unique moat]

It will happen one day I am sure

[jade sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guw7cIUeyLI&t=6s&ab_channel=3DOHD

[dapper oar]

This is giving me major Dong Dong Never Die vibes.

[unique edge]

This is homebrew?

I'd like to get a 3DO core so I can play with OpenLara without burning a million CDs

[jade sleet]

Yes

[lusty crypt]

Those line scrolling effects on the floor look gooooood.

[jade sleet]

3do has a couple hardware supported subpixel positioning things that make it extra smooth.

[unique edge]

I love that 3DO stage, looks so good

[lusty crypt]

https://www.timeextension.com/news/2023/11/biofury-is-a-new-doom-inspired-fps-for-3do-now-available-for-pre-order

Also available digitally via their GitHub. Looks like a fun riff on the visuals of Blake Stone.

[clear nest]

Digital is free? Noice

I think they should have at least asked for 10 or 15 bucks for a digital download

But thats generous

[jade sleet]

It's been free for almost a year now. A retro style publisher wanted to do a 3do game and we all voted on biofury being the first release because it has all original content and naming

[unique moat]

That's exciting if new, decent games are being made for the 3DO. I'll need to give this a try when I get mine set up next. Makes it more appealing to a potential core developer if more stuff is being made for it.

[jade sleet]

There's always something going on for 3do homebrew

[white narwhal]

https://youtu.be/2d1uAggVhis like this

[jade sleet]

Yeah, stuff like arcade conversions lol

[unique moat]

Is there any emulator that can play M2?

[dapper oar]

Supposedly MAME.

[jade sleet]

Mame but you need a beast computer

[gritty oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/poltato-pc-potato-pc-beef-pc-omaru-polka-hololive-gif-23462077

[dapper oar]

@white narwhal I've always wondered that, since the 3DO M2 (both models) was outsourced to Konami by making five existing, really rare arcade games, and you began a project on "consolizing" the FZ35 model, wouldn't that mean that you're basically creating your own version of the Neo Geo MVS/Neo Geo CD?

[white narwhal]

I’d say the other way around

The Konami boards were just enhanced console spec with some extra ram. So it’s more like PS1 / ZN-1 or 2. Enhanced console spec. Where NG was just a home version of arcade hardware

[dapper oar]

Ah. So you're, like, adding the extra QOL goodies from the arcade boards, to the M2?

Sorry. I'm a bit confused.

[dapper oar]

@white narwhal

[white narwhal]

sorry missed this

give me a bit...capturing for a vid

[dapper oar]

Sure.

[white narwhal]

The FZ-35 has the same extra ram as the arcade board, so by changing some of the underlying OS / FOLIO portions and dealing with a diff bios build, you can get the arcade games booting on the FZ-35

so its more like cross porting...same code, diff driver instances, some rebuilding of laytool (the portion of the SDK that makes an Opera compatible disc) etc etc

[dapper oar]

Okay, got it. I take it that you're using the leaked OS source code from last year to test this. Or are you using clean-room reimplementations here?

[white narwhal]

Fixel is spearheading it but its using SDK we have access to with borrowed assets from signed discs that basically get...well...shoved into unsigned games / games that use diff security aspects

arcade games use a checksum between the game disc / eeprom / RTC chip but the checksum needs to reverse its endianness on the check...so whatever the game gives as the checksum, you need the reverse endian answer to that

FZ-21 needs discs to be signed...FZ-35 does not include any encryption. Unencrypted bios

so Fixel wrote a bit of software to return a response to the arcade games to pass checksum tests

[dapper oar]

Sounds really cool!

[clear nest]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

[white narwhal]

Lol if I figured out the security it couldn’t be that hard. My degree is an MFA 😂

Notice I make videos ABOUT cores but I don’t make them

[clear nest]

batty only pawn in game of life

core would be nice though

[dapper oar]

Btw, I remember that you mentioned once that you haven't obtained the FZ-55 one (the touchscreen model) yet.

Would that model have the same amount of RAM and unencrypted BIOS as the FZ-35?

[white narwhal]

Not sure. But it has no controller ports so I’ve never hunted too hard

[dapper oar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT4stZCUgzU

[jade sleet]

https://youtu.be/0mX5_ReWGj4?si=2uNYnZ5mUMP734it

[jade quartz]

It's a R•E•A•L holiday!

[fickle tusk]

Ture that! Not some hallmark holiday!

[finite anchor]

♦️
🟦
🟡

[jade sleet]

https://youtu.be/XOQdxqlI1_M?si=S1EGE7vWaELZ-rbe

[bold burrow]

@white narwhal what’s that’s dumbass 3DO game you like so much? Killing Time?

[white narwhal]

Best game ever

[bold burrow]

lol I shot a duck

holy shit there’s like 40 ducks in this room

10/10

[white narwhal]

Walk on them

Save your bullets

[bold burrow]

That’s a good tip, thanks

[white narwhal]

And don’t give up before you get into the Conway Estate. If you find a secret entrance to the sewers in the hunters maze you CAN take it but that’s basically the hard mode way to go

[jade quartz]

Robby out there just murdering ducks. How dare yee. How dare yee I say.

[white narwhal]

They had it coming

[drowsy raptor]

Ducks getting the short end of the stick since gaming was invented…no wonder Donald is pissed.

[bold burrow]

I got this 3DO emulator setup, I’m gonna play gaemz

[wet crown]

Roadrash here you come

[bold burrow]

legit question, why would I want to play road rash on the 3DO

[fickle tusk]

cause its the best

has sound garden

[wet crown]

I dunno, but I fantasize about Robert taking on 3DO next

https://youtu.be/1BHzl-jQI7I?si=M9OCoolVgOTmmlDS

I wanna play Starblade

Maybe start with that one Robby

[fickle tusk]

I'm hoping the guy who did opera steps up. He all ready knows the system.

[bold burrow]

Ok cool, thank you

[wet crown]

I had almost 0 awareness of 3DO as a kid, just that it wasn't popular

But seems like it has a few worth messing around in

[fickle tusk]

you don't have to spend all day on it either. Just grab and go for a bit ya know.

[bold burrow]

I knew about it and wanted one but it was too expensive. I remember playing the kiosk a ton in Macy’s when my parents shopped. It was awesome, there was a Batman cartoon in the demo that blew my mind it could run on a game system.

3DO always looked super cool to me but too much money. That and Neo Geo were an instant “no” from my parents lol.

[fickle tusk]

it was the first of it's kind to use computers to assist with the fast speed scene.

[wet crown]

This Killing Time game looks awful but also just weird enough that I want to play it

[bold burrow]

BUT it convinced my dad to get a cdrom drive for the PC so I enjoyed a ton of multimedia games and 3DO ports that way.

[wet crown]

We had a Media Play store with just a wall of kiosks so I'd have my dad take me there but unsure if it had 3DO

[bold burrow]

That’s awesome, was it Incredible Universe?

[wet crown]

No, but we also had one in Columbus

I played Jaguar at Incredible Universe

[bold burrow]

We had one in Miami. It was a dream come true for a kid into video games. Basically a kiosk for every system and you could ask to try any game you want.

[bold burrow]

Thanks to Incredible Universe I stopped wanting a Jaguar and a CD-I 🤣

[wet crown]

That Incredible Universe is now one of those generic "cheap indoor/outdoor furniture" stores and I think about IU every time I drive past it.

[fickle tusk]

I was treated like royalty every time I went into babbages. they showed me all the new stuff for each system. Personal tour of that months games. Then the evil woman sold all of my games on me. I got them all back though, one by one, and more.

[wet crown]

Same, they had AVP up and it was garbage

[bold burrow]

It was so freaking cool man, it had a McDonalds inside too!

[wet crown]

Our Incredible Universe, Media Play, and Gateway 2000 stores were not real far apart, and my dad and I would just kind of hit them up, likely to give my mom a break

[fickle tusk]

the horde is on 3do, it's also on saturn so you might have played it.

[wet crown]

Weird to think about wanting a Gateway 2000 rig so bad haha

[fickle tusk]

StarControl 2 you should play melee atleast.

[bold burrow]

I don’t know Media Play but it sounds cool

I went to the Gateway 2000 store and bought a stuffed cow to give to my girlfriend lol

[wet crown]

It might have been a Midwest thing

It was half books half games/movies

Nothing else

Free popcorn machines, lotta games and CDs

Was a mix of a lot of stores

[fickle tusk]

kind of like best buy

[bold burrow]

Damn a free popcorn machine too?

[fickle tusk]

no popcorn, but we got microcenters now.

[bold burrow]

We have a MicroCenter!

When i moved here we also had a Fry’s but you know how that went down lol

[wet crown]

My son visiting God's house during one of the early covid years (100 years ago)

The MC in Columbus is old as shit, I used to go there in middle school

[fickle tusk]

I love that place. They treat you like royalty.

[wet crown]

It's like 20m from me and I go once a year, I should really fix that but I'd be spending too much

[bold burrow]

Yah cause they got commission lol

[fickle tusk]

exactly, it works!

I wear my crappiest clothes there.

but they see me and drop their bs convos and rush to help me. Can't get enough of that!

anyway, check out sc2 Melee mode. I have a feeling thats right up your alley.

[bold burrow]

Thanks! Big fan of SC2, only played that PC port. Game is so cool.

[fickle tusk]

PC was the original and its great too. Everyone can play the game for free on their pc too with updated gfx. look up the ur-quan masters.

playing melee with other people is a blast for sure.

I liked the voices in the 3do version as it was my first xp with the game.

[jade quartz]

Oh Robby, we talk'n Road Rash today! The 3DO version is legit the best game in the series!

[bold burrow]

What seriously? I’m not questioning it, I just had no idea.

I know the 3DO version of Need for Speed is very different and worth playing for example.

[fickle tusk]

just play it all ready and find out.

[lusty crypt]

Monster Manor. Return Fire. Super Wing Commander.

Oh, and

[scenic kite]

Return Fire and Maps of Death are two player perfection!

[drowsy raptor]

And arguably the best 32bit version of sf2. The saturn does have a great sf2 version as well i believe, but not sure that has the arranged soundtrack.

[jade quartz]

Not only that, but it was the only home version of Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo for a really long time.

[twin wing]

Debatable

I'd still say that there is no home version available

[white narwhal]

Lotta 3DO core demands on todays vid

The people want 3DO

[lusty crypt]

The people know what's up.

Soon™ apparently... maybe...

[jade quartz]

It is a shame that we don't have a 3DO core yet! That said, I get why we don't have one yet...

[waxen violet]

@white narwhal what's up with the candles in the video? Is that some sign that the end is near?

[white narwhal]

Haha it’s a new channel feature

As in “I bought a vintage candelabra and I like how it looks”

[waxen violet]

I found it quite interesting that you made a full video without really showing games. I was expecting to see games that show how great it is, but it was very refreshing

[bold burrow]

there's a joke I want to make

but I won't

[unique moat]

You have a captive audience if you want to make a video showing off the best games on the system awbacon 😉

[white narwhal]

I always do a hardware and history tour before I start the games episodes

Next ten weeks are ten videos on singular games 🙂

I like getting caught up in the history and design of the consoles as objects and share some dev stories and artifacts from the era. Something diff

[white narwhal]

Liberace?

[bold burrow]

nah, was going to say something along the lines of "because the games look awful" or "because it has no games" but even though it's said in jest people can get mad about that

it's a neat system with some neat games

[finite anchor]

Wow Roberts here is this a good sign….

[white narwhal]

Haha that’s fair. Make the joke

[unique moat]

Who knows, maybe if awbacon can highlight gems in the library someone may even consider working on a core one day 🙂

[white narwhal]

I’m gonna try that’s for sure

Wave the 3DO flag hard

[bold burrow]

I'll support you

I'll put down my VB flag

[white narwhal]

We need all the flags waved

[empty epoch]

3DS can do VB now apparently

[jade quartz]

Will be interesting to see if any of my recommendations made the cut!

[white narwhal]

What did you recommend?

[jade quartz]

Even Robby's red flags...

[jade quartz]

Quite a few. Like Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo, Twisted, Crash'n Burn (for being the first and only game at launch), Return Fire.

Road Rash, Need For Speed (really EA games in general).

[white narwhal]

You are getting a few

[fickle tusk]

honestly 3do is a shoe in at some point.

Curious if anyone knows if the arm cpu on the de-10 nano could run arm60 code native. That would be an interesting hybrid core.

[fickle tusk]

fm towns marty, cd-i, pc-fx, jaguar. naw, It would be like, ok cool I'll check it out. 3DO core you would be crapping your pants and praying to your gods for forgiveness knowing your not religious.

[white narwhal]

Per some searching ARMv8 is backwards compatible with 32-bit ARM CPU’s instruction sets. So is ARMv7 (which is on the DE10) but it doesn’t specify how far. Just that you define certain codes in certain ways

That’s ARM6 or V3 per spec sheets for 3DO

But my guess is no. I’m sure that backwards compatibility doesn’t extend to such an earlier generation without recompiling code

[fickle tusk]

that's not really a no though. Still might be easier to replicate it on the FPGA. An interesting thought none the less that might help with later revisions then.

[bold burrow]

What does 3DO even mean??

[jade quartz]

It's a 3D console O-yeah!

[unique moat]

It means a great time for whatever Dev chooses to grace us with a core.

[bold burrow]

3 Devs and a cOre?

[fickle tusk]

3 dimensional object

[lusty crypt]

Have you played Atari 3DO today?

[fickle tusk]

today no, but I did play a round of twisted last night with the old lady.

[bold burrow]

who here owns plumbers don’t wear ties and aren’t afraid to admit it, not talking about the LRG release

[fickle tusk]

Now I know why you finally setup the 3do emulator.

[scenic kite]

I used to, bought it new when it came out. Was very disappointed. Sold it a few years along with the rest of my 3DO collection.

Loved the 3DO in general, but finances dictated the sale at the time.

Star Control II and Return Fire + Maps of Death are reason enough to love the console imho.

[jade sleet]

Trip said when he came up with the name he didn't want it to be an acronym. It is "Audio, Video, 3DO" implying it's another element to entertainment I suppose

[fickle tusk]

True, but what we want, and what we get, are a lot of times, two different things 🙂

[unique moat]

@white narwhal I've got some dorky 3DO technical questions I figured you would know the answer to, and probably enjoy talking about. I need to get mine dug out and set up again, but was wondering:
Does 3DO play VCD or CD+G (or any other old obscure disc media, other than audio CDs)?
Can a Japanese 3DO play US and UK discs OK or are there region, or PAL/NTSC issues?
With emulation, is there a "best" BIOS that works for everything or is it best to have different region BIOS files for different regions (and what would these regions be?)

[white narwhal]

3DO is region free but same games depend on a kanji font in bios that’s absent in non Japanese consoles. So yes AND no

For emulation just use the FZ-1 bios with the kanji font. Universally good

For VCD you need the VCD add in. It’s a separate piece of hardware

I believe it just handles cd+g out of the box

[unique moat]

Ah nice, I can see if I can finally watch the animations on my Best of Jimi Hendrix CD!

So a Japanese console should be able to play everything fine, including PAL and Korean games?

Also, am I right in thinking a pack named:
[REDUMP] Disc Image Collection: Panasonic - 3DO Interactive Multiplayer updated 2022-03-16 (20-54-48)
Is the best collection of the 3DO library, and includes everything out there?

[unique moat]

is the kanji font baked into the BIOS file?

Mine Is a Japanese FZ-1 with the 240p/480i switch, which I think is the best model?

[jade quartz]

3DO does play photo CDs at least!

[unique moat]

Ah ha! The Kodak cd format?

I wonder if any of the CD systems we have should play those...

[jade quartz]

I'd have to look for my old photo CD to see what format it was in. It's been ages since I saw it. But yeah, we had one specifically made back in the day just to use it on my 3DO.

[unique moat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_CD

[white narwhal]

no

its a separate file

@unique moat here is a list of all known incompatiblities across roms / regions

https://3dodev.com/documentation/games/region_locks_and_compatibility

[unique moat]

So looks like 2 European games need a European BIOS

Do you know if there is header information in the disc dumps that has region info on them, so an emulator (read: potential core) could auto select the correct region on game launch?

[white narwhal]

It’s a check on whether or not the hardware has the supported output format

But I’m not aware if that’s done in a header or in Opera / Folio OS

There is no region tag to check on POST, but there are hardware flags on output format. My guess is that’s done in Opera / Folio but I can check

[white narwhal]

Yes that should be comprehensive

Outside of a few dumps of prototypes we’ve done

But again basically all the documentation is there. A metric crap ton of hardware research. Plus anyone who wants to try I’ll make sure they get a nice working FZ-1 🙂

[scenic kite]

I haven't tested this on the core, but the Saturn had some PhotoCD compatibility: https://segaretro.org/Photo_CD_Operating_System

[unique moat]

Ah, interesting

I wonder if PSX supports these

It would be good to get a picture CD ripped and put up on GitHub that could be used as a test for emulators, same with CD+G

[scenic kite]

There are tons that have been 'archived', people seem to collect them. Though many have content that may not be for the masses.

[unique moat]

Hah, if there is one that isn't top shelf that is verified to work that could be useful for testing

Oh wow, looks like there is a whole redump dedicated to them

[scenic kite]

There is, but the last time I looked there was a LOT missing from the redump. They seem to have been huge in Japan. Just do some simple searched on the archive and you'll be overwhelmed.

[unique moat]

Yeah, I had a look on buyee Japan auctions and a good few up there cheap, but they all seem to be rather blue in content shall we say

[jade sleet]

https://youtu.be/rwPu7r5GYXM?si=tgSYR_Cd8_1uKS1y

[unique moat]

Ah so 3DO can do CD+G!

Thanks for confirming

[jade sleet]

PCD, CDG, VCD(module required), and Music CD

Look up Dark Chaser (I think it's called) photo cd. It's an adventure game using photo CD format. Plays on 3do.

[unique moat]

Do you need module for PCD?

[jade sleet]

No

[unique moat]

Nice

[bold burrow]

herein lies the enemies of the glorious nation of #1056040100141735986

We will remember your voting transgressions against us. Right @jaunty yacht ?

[jade quartz]

I love both!

[bold burrow]

I don’t understand this word “both”

[jade quartz]

Dang it Robby!

I was there day one for both my $700 3DO, and my $180 Virtual Boy! I'm as hip as it gets!

[bold burrow]

lol

[scenic kite]

I love the Virtual Boy and still have one. But overall the 3DO has the better (and larger) library. Honestly, I'm happy for any new console. But 3DO and CD-i are my top wants due to the size of the library, uniqueness, and not as great emulation.

[jaunty yacht]

Some things cannot be forgiven…

[jaunty yacht]

It might have a “better” and larger library, but how many of its games place you in virtual reality? A reality where you can reach out and almost touch Wario’s moustache?.. Virtual Boy was the true next gen system

[scenic kite]

No doubt, which is why I keep an actual Virtual Boy to experience Wario 🙂

[jaunty yacht]

(I’ve never even played a VB - I’m just adopting rampant fanboyism for the console as Robby has done for the Raspberry Pi)

[bold burrow]

lol damnit

[jaunty yacht]

You’re just that much of an inspiration 🤩

[unique moat]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806292595697.html?isdl=y&aff_fsk=_oBXVPn9&src=Connexity2023GBchannel&aff_platform=aff_feeds&aff_short_key=_oBXVPn9&pdp_npi=2%40dis!GBP!33.86!33.86!!!!!%40!12000037351764061!afff&isdl=y&aff_fsk=_oBXVPn9&src=Connexity2023GBchannel&aff_platform=aff_feeds&aff_short_key=_oBXVPn9&dp=17108221159370073620016671103008005&cn=326576&cv=90dc9d53ad3a459934a2d8241df6ed58&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

Is this a clone of something else?

[half ibex]

It's open source iirc; so anyone can build your own ode.

[white narwhal]

If someone needs an ODE I’ve got a spare I need to offload

[unique moat]

How are these ODEs, do they work well? Just throw everything on an SD card and off you go?

[lusty crypt]

Are there inexpensive options for the FZ-10 units? Fixel's ODE is beautiful, but more than I'm looking to spend.

[unique moat]

Yeah, looks like there are cheap options for all models, I assume they are open source, look on eBay and AliExpress I saw some last night

I think I will grab one of these for the FZ-1, looks like you can disconnect the disc drive without needing to remove it, so that's fine. Need to read up to make sure there are no caveats with this cheap board, almost seems too good to be true

Anyone know if these boards run the redump bin/cue dumps OK or do they need iso?

[white narwhal]

Yep pretty much

I’ve got Fixel’s internal ODE but I’ve got the external as well

[jade quartz]

So I can't believe that Awbacon announced on his channel today that he's working on a 3DO core! Heck yeah!

||April fools! ||

[finite anchor]

Wow that’s great news will it support cdi as well?

[jade quartz]

Git that CDi nonsense outta here! Only serious consoles belong alongside the 3DO!

[raw loom]

I would argue that the 3DO is probably one of the most important consoles not currently in support that is likely capable of running on the hardware.

[twin wing]

that's like forza horizon telling me I am in the top 100% of a track

[raw loom]

I’m not joking. It’s hardware that requires modification or a rare model to run its best on modern displays - which, along with CD drives being known to fail on this era of consoles, makes it an ideal candidate for hardware preservation.

It also has a fully-featured emulator for comparison testing, and has a reasonably strong library due to backing from several major third parties (Need for Speed 1, Road Rash, Killing Time, Cannon Fodder, Samurai Shodown, Super Street Fighter II Turbo, Lucienne’s Quest, Wolfenstein 3D, etc.).

Both factor into it being an ideal candidate for someone to tackle a core, if someone’s up to the challenge of trying it.

[jade quartz]

I would argue that 3DO is the big one that isn't currently supported on MiSTer. Unless you count the Neo Geo Pocket, which is currently being worked on, but not finished.

There are others that I want as well, like Virtual Boy and PC-FX. But 3DO trounces those when it comes to the number of quality games.

[unique moat]

We are at the point where the average person would struggle to name a viable console that isn't on MiSTer. The biggest ones left that were released outside of Japan are 3DO, CDi, Jaguar and Virtual Boy and none of those were exactly roaring successes.

[jade quartz]

None were successes for sure. But the 3DO and Virtual Boy both contain very worthwhile libraries of games in my opinion. Less so with Jaguar. CDi would just be for preservation sake in my opinion.

[raw loom]

CD-i actually has quite a few good games - Burn:Cycle, The 7th Guest, Laser Lords, The Apprentice, Lost Eden, even some pretty solid ports of games like Defenders of the Crown, Micro Machines, Pac-Panic, and Lemmings.

There’s also just the iconically weird stuff, like the Animation Magic Nintendo games (Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon, Link: The Faces of Evil, and Hotel Mario), the chill synthwave Tetris, the trippy shooter-maze-adventure games Kether and Inca, Hulk Hogan’s rail shooter Thunder in Paradise, and the pinball FMV game Plunderball.

[versed terrace]

The only game I play on a cdi is escape from cybercity and i was blown away (at that time)

[finite anchor]

I really wish a 3DO would be made but I’m starting to have doubts now that it’s possible on the de10 nano after hearing about the vram the 3DO uses

[scenic kite]

I would add the Tiger Game.com to that list.

[raw loom]

According to FPGAzumSpass, it’s definitely doable. It would just require some workarounds at the cost of cycle accuracy, similar to other consoles from this generation.

At the time, he mentioned the main limiting factors being a lack of an open source 3DO emulator and documentation, which both appear to have changed with libretro’s Opera project:

https://3dodev.com/documentation/hardware

https://github.com/libretro/opera-libretro?tab=readme-ov-file

[raw loom]

But, yeah, it sounds like a difficult project. There are much easier systems that aren’t currently supported, like the first-generation Magnavox Odyssey and Atari Home PONG systems.

If we’re just talking about CD systems, too, I think the CD-i would be more straightforward to implement. Being 68k-based with 1MB of RAM, the main difficulty would likely be the Digital Video Cartridge implementation (required for many of the system’s best games).

[versed terrace]

is 4do a good source of code and documentation? The best 3do emulator is phoenix but is closed source i think.

[raw loom]

Opera’s a fork of 4DO, and its documentation looks pretty substantial. I’m not super familiar with Phoenix, but it sounds like most people recommend Opera via RetroArch over it these days - in my own testing, it seems to have excellent performance and compatibility.

[unique moat]

There was some discussion about the possibility of 3DO core working on the DE-10 Nano the other week on the 3DO discord, and insight from people who knew the tech is the 3DO ram is the big sticking point. My understanding was that it seems they over engineered the ram and although it isn't fully utilised by games is above what the DE-10 can handle, and general consensus was that it wouldn't be possible for MiSTer on the current board.

Now, Robert can work magic as we have seen to make things work that people thought impossible, however Robert isn't going to be making a 3DO core so that is kind of moot. So I am reserved to the fact we almost certainly won't be getting a 3DO from anyone on the DE-10 Nano (not that anyone has expressed trying anyway).

[jade quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

[cinder mantle]

why Robert isn't interested in the 3DO?

[unique moat]

He talks about it here:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/im-closing-this-101612503

[cinder mantle]

sad but fair

I wish him all the best

he did a lot for the Mister community

[unique moat]

Yeah and hopefully he will continue to do more in the future 🙂

[raw dove]

Can't chatGPT handle this core by now?...

I'm 99% sure that's what Robert was using to get the n64 core as far as it got

(I'm being sarcastic if you weren't sure about it lol)

[finite anchor]

Maybe someone can surprise us in the future but like moondandy explains things are looking doubtful at the moment. It’s funny that I own a 3DO but prefer to emulate it these days, it’s good that opera is open source.

[waxen violet]

For a moment i was convinced that i have to try, but then i looked at the channel name again 😛

[unique moat]

Well if you ever have a change of heart, the 3DO isn't going anywhere 😉

[agile zenith]

I'm in the 3DO section....I see an FPGAzumSpass comment....heart rate increases....

[waxen violet]

At this point it's just funny, i hope it doesn't hurt anyones feelings

[finite anchor]

Omg one of the best Fpga developers is trolling 3DO, I’m telling @white narwhal

[white narwhal]

That’s it. Dead to me 🤣

[bold burrow]

HUAW HUAW HUAW

[jade quartz]

[dapper oar]

In terms of B-lister consoles that would be popular, I would say that 3DO would be first place, the Amiga CD32 would be second place, and the Atari Jaguar would rank third. CD-i would be either be fourth place, or have a participation trophy.

I put Amiga CD32 in second place and not Atari Jaguar, because from what I've seen, Amiga gaming is quite amazing.

[bold burrow]

3DO is cool as hell

[jade quartz]

It's both hip and cool.

[raw loom]

Honestly, the CD-i gets too much hate. It was never developed to be used as a games console, and still managed to have a good 50 games worth playing on it.

[dapper oar]

I still have this itchy feeling that emulation could've improved the CD-i a bit.

But alas, the console is still an undocumented mess, that's why you don't see that many emulators for it.

[raw loom]

Oh, totally. Specifically the DVC - a lot of the best games on the system require its use, and no current emulator fully supports it.

[unique moat]

Yeah, with a CDi core the technical specs are more akin with 4th gen systems we have already like Mega CD and PC Engine CD, so in theory it is easier to develop a core for than N64, PSX, 3DO. However that DVC card is a big unknown and without it then it would be really lacking, and sounds like nobody has emulated that and probably isn't well documented.

[twin wing]

https://twitter.com/yoshinokentarou/status/1776478218482307124
3DO redeemed

吉野@連邦(renpou.com) (@yoshinokentarou) on X

【連邦更新】
名作「ワイプアウト」がなんと「3DO」に勝手移植中という大ニュースをご紹介。
他にも現在公開されている「全ての勝手移植な3DOゲーム」をまとめて紹介するゾ!!
https://t.co/Y95SBONM68

Twitter · Apr 6, 2024, 5:13 AM

[unique edge]

Tomb Raider on 3DO is wild

[raw dove]

Tomb raider on the 3do makes sense

But om game boy advanced...

Mind BLOWN

[jade sleet]

It's honestly more impressive on 3do

A good software renderer can do anything with a good programmer. On 3do you have a much more unimpressive CPU to work with. You have to fully rely on hardware

[raw dove]

In terms of graphical capabilities and frame rate?

[jade sleet]

Yeah, 3do is the inferior hardware honestly lol

[raw dove]

Well it blows my kind that the gba could have ran a port of tomb raider if it was correctly handled

[jade sleet]

Oh definitely. Even our dev guys in the 3do server were doubtful it would run on 3do

[jade sleet]

This port development has been paused since like 2022 sadly

[jade sleet]

Rare model to run best on modern displays?

[raw loom]

There’s a specific Japanese model that has a native 240p/480i switch instead of a channel select, as far as I understand. Pretty sure it was only on certain board revisions, so you’d have to see photos of the back of the unit to find one.

[jade sleet]

It's a very common model. It's honestly, probably one of the most abundant Japanese revisions. The 240p isn't all that cracked up anyway. Several games have timing issues in 240p mode.

YouTube and retro game blogs really blew that out and made it sound way more insane than it really was.

Besides, you can mod any 3do with a VP or BT1903 (not BT1901) to be 240p. Most people that serious about display will rgb mod it, which gives you 240p out the box.

[raw loom]

I thought the mods had an issue where the game graphics could start on the wrong scanline, causing some visual issues and requiring a power cycle or switch flip? (Unless I’m thinking of an older mod solution.)

But yeah, the Japanese models are actually more common to find than the U.S. version, and significantly cheaper to boot. (I also heard it doesn’t matter which region you choose, as they system isn’t region locked.) You just have to be careful when buying one if you’re looking for the 240p switch, as Japanese FZ-1s are a mix of 3 variants and sellers rarely ever label for it.

[jade sleet]

That's the 2 pin bridge mod. That tutorial should have never been posted. You can wire it up to hit right every time and boot in 240p

[jade sleet]

The 240p variant is so common in Japan for 3do systems that often times a seller doesn't even know what it is the buyer is talking about

One seller that me and someone spoke with didn't realize there was a difference. He sold a fair amount of 3do systems. He said he had a big mix of both and just photographed whatever he grabbed from the inventory

[jade sleet]

https://youtu.be/l0isYaXTfl0?si=QLfPfb8WJvM998-u

[white narwhal]

We need this on MiSTer 🤣

[raw dove]

IGNROANCE WARNING: what is that?

[white narwhal]

Elderly Japanese driver car training software for the 3DO M2

[raw dove]

Oh hells yeah

Gimme Dat and the dlc

Goy edition

[jade quartz]

Going to test out that PO'ed remaster today.

[bold burrow]

I’m sorry

[jade quartz]

As you should be!

[jade sleet]

Smacking aliens with frying pans is a fun way to pass time

[dapper oar]

And now, Killing Time is getting remastered!

https://twitter.com/gematsu/status/1798430779283791880

Gematsu (@gematsu) on X

Unless I'm mistaken, @NightdiveStudio just casually announced a remastered version of the 1995-released horror first-person shooter Killing Time.

Twitter · Jun 5, 2024, 7:04 PM

By none other than Nightdive Studios!

@white narwhal

[white narwhal]

Hehe I knew about this

I’ll be in the credits somewhere. I did a very minor bit of help

My first (and I’m sure only) game credit…and it’s on Killing Time!

Look out @bold burrow I’m gunning for you and your credits 🤣

[dapper oar]

Oh, shit!

Congratulations, man!

[bold burrow]

I would pay money to be removed from the Killing Time credits!

[white narwhal]

they'd never include you...cool kids only!

[bold burrow]

It’s pretty good timing, I’ve been wanting to play it because it’s your favorite game.

[jade quartz]

Holy crap that's awesome! Seriously, congrats my man.

[white narwhal]

Thanks. I barely did anything. Supplied some old lore information and some assets

[jade quartz]

Still, I know how much you love that game, so any involvement at all is awesome.

And really, just knowing that the game is returning in general is amazing.

[white narwhal]

Yes if I will ever get ONE game credit and I got to pick the game obv its Killing Time

[jade quartz]

You better do a video on it when it releases! Would love to see a comparison video.

[white narwhal]

you know I will!

[bold burrow]

@white narwhal yeah congratulations dude!!

[lusty crypt]

Very cool. Glad they reached out to you, @white narwhal -- you've becomethe KT source. 😄

[white narwhal]

Haha thanks. All that useless knowledge, research and collecting finally came in handy

[lusty crypt]

I'm planning a trip to the "Conway Estate" this summer. They completely refurbished the castle, so I'm curious if it still looks like the intro vid.

[bold burrow]

I hope you don’t have to slaughter an endless army of ducks to get inside.

[lusty crypt]

Pffft. I do that just to get into my HOUSE, Robby.

[dapper oar]

Gaming lore is what sells games these days.

[jade quartz]

https://youtu.be/O5i_cmwggYo?si=lJhnOvESeunMZewS

It looks so gooooood!

It's wild seeing Killing Time running at 60fps.

[white narwhal]

cant wait to play it

Ive been told you should look around in the graveyard and you just may find "me"

(this is the smallest credit Ive probably ever gotten in my career whether filmmaking or game shit but damn it its now my new favorite)

[bold burrow]

I hope you're a duck

[white narwhal]

that would be amazing

[jade quartz]

RIP VGE. Killed by Pepsiman for using dog pen in video.

[white narwhal]

funny timing as Ive been working on 3DO stuff this week

[jade quartz]

Still waiting for that Twisted video!

[white narwhal]

knocking out some revisits in 4K

[bold burrow]

I don't want to buy killing time resurrected lol

[white narwhal]

I bought Doom damn it

you go and you buy yourself Killing Time

[raw loom]

This is 100% a day one for me. Killing Time is one of those unique shooters that is way too unknown, and its hybrid FMV style makes it a prime candidate for a remaster.

[white narwhal]

Now someone on YT who’s never heard of it can proclaim it a hidden gem and get 100x the views I do 🤣

[jade quartz]

Or, and hear me out on this, your video on the remaster will blow up. And it will be Killing Time, of all things, that finally shoots your channel to stardom!

[bold burrow]

I hope he doesn’t forget us when he’s running YouTube

[jade quartz]

Us little people (fat babies?) will never be forgotten by Pepsiman's subordinate VGE!

There are so many levels of inside joke in that statement, that only like one or two people would ever actually get it all.

[white narwhal]

Pepsiman is the shot caller

[white narwhal]

only thing that will get my channel to blow up is a big pair of jugs and some loose morals

[jade quartz]

Sadly, that does indeed make a big difference.

[white narwhal]

I just saw a new channel with eight videos that started a month ago...60k subs and 50k views per vid...cause pretty person that isnt a dude

I mean videos are good...not knocking them...but damn thats basically half way to full time job money on YT in 30 days

[jade quartz]

Luckily, Killing Time has you covered in the jugs department!

[white narwhal]

dont post photos of @bold burrow momma

[bold burrow]

I need to stop visiting this channel, I am legitimately getting closer to wanting to buy this remake

[white narwhal]

you know you can see boobs for free on the internet right? you dont need to own KT

[bold burrow]

Ok bad timing on my post LOL

Like real talk, merging a doom clone with in-game FMV cutscenes is a really cool idea

[white narwhal]

"I am here at the wrong time and I only last a short time" - Robby, MiSTer FPGA Discord, 2024

[bold burrow]

That’s engraved on my belt buckle

[white narwhal]

It worked so well on 3DO

and it seems like they were able to source the master recordings somewhere

[bold burrow]

Damn that’s awesome

[jade quartz]

I was going to say, the new HD sprites/FMVs look incredible.

[white narwhal]

you arent recovering the details in the folds of that fabric trying to upscale the 3DO assets...this isnt C.S.I Miami enhance

[jade quartz]

I feel like there's a "folds" joke in there that I should be exploiting.

[white narwhal]

Having watched the trailer a bit closer its 100% the level layout from PC...which is a good thing as its a more cohesive environment that solves some of the issues from the 3DO version...but its putting all the 3DO FMV enemies in which the PC port lost and that SUCKED

but its also kept the enemies FROM the PC port...which might tonally be a bit jarring as its remade sprites vs FMV

[jade quartz]

I wonder if they would offer both level layout options?

[white narwhal]

I can only hope

at least itll fix the PC bug where too many SFX at once stop music playback. Killing Time needs that music or else 50% of the charm is gone

[white narwhal]

I wonder if they will do a physical release. Doubt it but

[lusty crypt]

Maybe LRG will sell you another CD-R? 🤷

[bold burrow]

or an alibaba USB stick lmao

[lusty crypt]

I'm hoping it's a menu toggle in the options.

I'm ok with using the PC maps. Get to start at the logical docks instead of the duck maze. 🦆

[jade quartz]

Sounds like it's how the Powerslave remaster was treated. They took the best version of the game for level layouts (Saturn), and then added the exclusive PS1 enemies (the scorpions) to make it a sort of best of all versions.

[lusty crypt]

I saw "toggleable hi-res graphics" and hoped. 😞

[white narwhal]

That’s my guess too

[jade quartz]

Either way, Night Dive does great work, so it's hard to imagine that they'll mess it up.

[white narwhal]

Powerslave was a banger. And Killing Time is the GOAT so I’m sure we are in for a good time

[jade quartz]

Some nice info here about how they went about the remaster for Killing Time:
https://www.destructoid.com/nightdive-outlines-the-process-of-remastering-killing-time/

[white narwhal]

I cant wait to see high res ducks!

[jade quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-duckling-kicked-gif-6037932652524631691

[lusty crypt]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this statement:
"“The low-res ones are the PC enemies, the hi-res are the 3DO enemies,” Albert explained."
Sounds like you can toggle graphics options. Hi-res 3DO and remade PC exclusive or all the original low-res PC.

I'm happy with that.

[bold burrow]

STOP IT

that's pretty cool what they did

[jade quartz]

Nevah!! Not until you are assimilated into the Killing Time collective!

[white narwhal]

yes...you can have OG sprites from the PC version OR new reworked art for the PC version enemies

3DO enemies were remastered from OG 3DO assets

probably cause they didnt want to lose the "big tiddy goth maid" for marketing

(joking not joking)

[lusty crypt]

She does feature rather... ahem... prominently in the trailer.

[lusty crypt]

Yeah. And we thought you were cool too. But guess not, if you're not down with KT: Resurrected

[white narwhal]

gonna make a fan out of you yet son!

[lusty crypt]

The good news, @bold burrow - these are the PC levels, so no duck maze from hell!

[white narwhal]

will still have the wine cellar maze

[lusty crypt]

oh, you mean the SUPER FUN wine maze, right?

[white narwhal]

yep

ankh in PC version as a reward...jack shit in 3DO version as a reward

[lusty crypt]

🤞 hopefully they got their hands on better quality FMV

[bold burrow]

Wait, there are still ducks right?

[raw loom]

That unfortunately likely means we only get versions of the PC levels, which sucks if true. For completeness’ sake, I’d like to have both versions, even if the 3DO release was rougher around the edges.

[bold burrow]

What’s the PS1 version based on?

[raw loom]

Not sure - I haven’t played the prototype for it. It never got a final release, though - not sure if it’s complete.

[jade quartz]

Aw🥓 should know.

[white narwhal]

3DO

It’s 1:1 except a bit better framerate but it’s a proto so it’s crash prone

There was also a Saturn version in development but that’s never surfaced. Also just a 3DO port

[jade quartz]

I've never tried that version, I need to try it on MiSTer. Is it really the full game, just prone to crashing?

[white narwhal]

Yep. Full game, you can beat it. Just save often

And you’ll have debug info on screen a lot

I played the entire game front to back to see if anything was added. I didn’t find shit

[jade quartz]

Damn, I honestly didn't even know about the PS1 prototype before. Only the 3DO and PC versions.

[bold burrow]

haw haw i am the killing time biggest fan

[jade quartz]

You just incurred the wrath of 🥓 !

[white narwhal]

“Killing time” is what ladies say after they spend the night with @bold burrow except they only wasted 90 seconds

[bold burrow]

4/10

i like your moxy though

[white narwhal]

The highest number your average Texan can count to

Unless you are talking clip capacity

[bold burrow]

🔫

[white narwhal]

I assume that when you go out to eat and get the bill the waiter says “that’ll be 30 twenty aught six shells and four 12 gauge”

[lusty crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/ramen-gun-gif-9242308

☝️ Robby ordering ramen in Texas.

[jade quartz]

LMAO

[white narwhal]

🤣

[jade quartz]

I'm a nerd keeping Robby company here. He said he needed it.

[bold burrow]

thank you, in-between sharpening my pencils and polishing my pocket protector I like to talk about killing time 🤓

[jade quartz]

Are you implying that you enjoy killing time discussing Killing Time!? That's deep man.

[white narwhal]

I came in here to make sure no channel is safe for @bold burrow you cannot hide 🤣 NERD

[lusty crypt]

I like it in here.

[bold burrow]

I’m still mad over being excited about the killing time rerelease

I feel like I’ve been suckered into a club that I had no intention of joining

And now I’m looking at other 3DO games

[jade quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-13066208

[lusty crypt]

There's no shame in being excited for good games, @bold burrow

[jaunty yacht]

You’re in the wrong place buddy, the Virtual Boy channel is over here: #1056040100141735986

[bold burrow]

Thank you for saving me!

[jade quartz]

Once a 3DO fan, always a 3DO fan! It's a life time membership!

[white narwhal]

@bold burrow doesnt know good games...he worked on Doom

[twin wing]

*the not so good one

[bold burrow]

The best one

[white narwhal]

Wolfenstein: The New Order?

that must have sucked to revamp Doom and have Machine Games eat your lunch with the superior Wolfenstein (I am 100% messing with you lol. Both are amazing. This felt too mean as a joke not to say "joking")

[bold burrow]

I really like Machine Games, great team.

[white narwhal]

that new Indy looks legit

[jaunty yacht]

Doom is actually my other half’s favourite game. She’s not really a gamer but she likes watching me play it. 😄

[jade quartz]

Her thirst for blood is real!

[jade quartz]

They just made a Killing Time joke on the SGDQ preshow. We've made it to the big time!

[white narwhal]

Wait is SGDQ now?

[twin wing]

next week

eh..

seems like this week already

[white narwhal]

There goes my week

[jade quartz]

https://youtu.be/hS1eYUeGpPk?si=wymzO8b5tRdAPqwL

They show a ton of the original vs HD art assets in this. Really cool to see!

[white narwhal]

How you not gonna @ me on this? Cold!

[jade quartz]

I thought you constantly monitored the 3DO thread!

You should have sensed the disturbance in the 3DO force!

[white narwhal]

Haha I’m always surprised it lights up

[lusty crypt]

I saw Limited Run released a trailer for the Gex Trilogy a few weeks ago. Only brief moments of the first game, but it looks like it's the later ports running at 60fps.
https://youtu.be/PXr2cRbo6Go

[bold burrow]

I get a Gex Trilogy but who the hell was asking for Fighting Force lol

I hope the Gex ports have their draw distance pushed back

[jade quartz]

[bold burrow]

The nonstop verbal assault and incoherent non-sequitors of Gex is amazing

I unironically love it

[jade quartz]

Gex is what Bubsy wanted to be, but couldn't achieve!

[lusty crypt]

'tude is a delicate thing.

[jade quartz]

3DO ❤️

[radiant crow]

Is 3DO the best console not on MiSTer left that can run on the DE10?

[jade quartz]

I would say yes.

PC-FX could be cool too.

[radiant crow]

PC-FX’s problem is the small library of 62 and only a few have English patches. I’d say 3DO since it has 300+ games

Obviously Virtual Boy would be nice too to round out the “Boy” branded Nintendo handheld lineup even though it’s the red screened stepchild!

[jade quartz]

Oh no doubt that 3DO is better. Just meant that it would also be cool to have PC-FX.

[empty epoch]

Virtual boy on the 3ds is probably better than a core could ever be anyway, 3do would be great if anyone decides to take it on

[jaunty yacht]

Virtual Boy is king!

[lusty crypt]

3DO Fast Facts®

Did you know... the 3DO failed in the marketplace because @bold burrow wanted it to?

[bold burrow]

It’s true!

[lusty crypt]

they say Trip Hawkins still looks to the sky and curses your name to this day.

[jade quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/pissed-off-angry-very-upset-gif-22901504

[halcyon dagger]

there's no illuminati symbol react 😕

[bold burrow]

No but we got the tinfoil react. Unfortunately it just looks like a scared smiley face with grey hair.

[halcyon dagger]

is anyone following the ongoing CD-R drama with LRG’s 3DO rerelease

it’s a hoot

[jade quartz]

I'm pretty sure @white narwhal is following it. 😏

[white narwhal]

You know it

[white narwhal]

That’s me 🤣 I’m not letting them get away with it

Neither is @empty pollen

[lusty crypt]

Good. That was some serious LRG shenanigans.

[empty pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/riot-south-park-chaos-chainsaw-protest-gif-20878334

[bold burrow]

Yeah, the mob has now moved onto the drama with usb sticks.

[lusty crypt]

@white narwhal Masterfully done. 🤣

[white narwhal]

glad someone FINALLY made a comment on this

[halcyon dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[halcyon dagger]

i did't realize you were in this channel. your video actually prompted me bringing this up lmao

as a professional compositor your "dicking around" comp gets my very highest praise

[white narwhal]

it shouldnt lol...I chucked it in there like a toddler throwing food against the wall

[bold burrow]

can confirm, he is a toddler that throws food against the wall

[white narwhal]

no I threw your BBQ against the wall because it sucked

some Texan you are

[bold burrow]

lol

I don’t know why I goad you, I always end up losing

You’re too funny though

[white narwhal]

my thought process was "open sans bold italics? is it a match? kinda...ok fuck it nobody cares dont waste an hour trying to font match"

work brain VGE wants to spend an hour finding the perfect font. YT brain VGE says "aint nobody got time for that shit"

[halcyon dagger]

I’ll take sincerity over properly matched black levels and grain structure any day. I could tell you really meant it

[jade quartz]

As a graphic designer, I was offended by your lack of matching font! I also hate the font they used on the box, because I've been forced to deal with that font in the past and hate that capital letters aren't italicized when using italics and always needed to create an automatic nested style to fix it!

[lusty crypt]

As a... talking word bubble... 3DO go brrrr

[white narwhal]

at least its spelled right...hard to do that in WI

[jade quartz]

Considering how many spelling errors I used to catch from the writing team at my old job...I can't argue with you there.

[white narwhal]

"damn it Jim all you wrote was New Glarus and Cheese over and over...thats NOT THE FUCKING COPY"

[jade quartz]

I welcome the cheese literature!

[lusty crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

[bold burrow]

Damn, this is a good intro song - https://youtu.be/ym4mJbey42U

[jade quartz]

Damn, I forgot about that game! I only ever played a demo of it back in the day.

[lusty crypt]

Hidden Gem™

Which I got thinking about... that has become a Metal Jesus meme, but I think it was Racketboy who may have first popularized the term for gaming.

[bold burrow]

Yeah it was Racketboy

[white narwhal]

I just came in to say 3DO is great and I got your hidden gems right here 😉

[raw loom]

I don’t know why, but I read that in the voice of the guy from Kung Fury who flipped a cop car with a skateboard

[abstract mist]

I read that in the voice of Leslie Nielsen in Airplane!

[bold burrow]

Why aren’t any of you 3DO fans talking about Ōkoku no Grand Chef?

[jade quartz]

What a coincidence! I was just talking about Ōkoku no Grand Chef to my....uhh...my friend! My friend that totally doesn't only exist in my head! ||(nervous laughter)||

[lusty crypt]

We were. Just not with you. 😐

😋

[jaunty yacht]

Why aren’t there any of you 3DO fans talking about Ōkoku no Grand Chef?
Fixed it for you

[raw loom]

It essentially needs to be dubbed to be playable, as all dialogue is communicated via audio.

I tried a similar project with Tokyo Wakusei Planetokio on the PS1, but didn't get much interest beyond the initial stages before interest fizzled out.

[jade sleet]

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