Arcades - Fighting Cores

[untold mortar]

I've modified manually some MRAs from Jotego and added the two progam ROMs from MAME 0.269 to the arcade set.

I've also modified the values of 'mameversion' and the 'asm_md5' ones.

The CRC32 are correct at least for the Program ROMs.
For the asm_md5 value, you need to hash the ZIP file after adding the Program ROMs to the correct folders.

[stone crypt]

What are the differences? Or are they just alternate versions?

[untold mortar]

X-Men vs. SF is the new last version known of the game now.
Hyper SF 2 is just an alternate version 1 week before the final release known to date.

@desert plover asked if someone could add them, that's possible but maybe we should also see with Jotego to do it cleanly with scripting.

At least, it works even like that.

[proud knoll]

that's really interesting, wonder what kind of changes they have

[topaz prairie]

Ver 3 of XVSF sucks, they nerfed out a lot of the infinites

[dry vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[proud knoll]

Makes sense, of course that would be in the bug fixes 💀

[cyan nebula]

So we don't know the changes yet.

[untold mortar]

It's not like they added a changelog with the arcade ROMs back then.

[stone crypt]

good, I hate games with infinites 😂

[meager sage]

Is it my imagination or is dot crawl over composite in jt cores more intense now than it used to be

Whole image is swimming like crazy lol

[stone crypt]

for composite, I've simply learned to accept that Genesis and several, if not all, arcade cores will have artifacts.

[meager sage]

I actually get a shockingly clean picture out of Genesis and most other cores but cps2 in particular is rough looking

[dry vortex]

doesn't Jotego have a Discord?

[gusty forge]

In MvC who is this?

[stone crypt]

larger version

full size poster

using my detective skills, I have deduced that she is Saki from a game absolutely none of us have ever played.

Quiz Nanairo Dreams

she is the one in the red suit with the gun

when I saw the visor, I assumed she was either a leftover tatsunoko character or the censored Michelle Heart from Legendary Wings. She also uses a gun.

[gusty forge]

Damn, nice detective work

I thought it was a cool design on the poster but yeah, totally unfamiliar with her game

[stone crypt]

she's from a quiz game so I avoid those

[steep kite]

She's also a card in Capcom vs SNK Card Fighters Clash for NGPC.

I liked Quiz and Dragons, which had a surprising amount of Disney based questions.

[stone crypt]

there's an english one?

I avoided those because I guess I only encountered the Japanese ones

[dry vortex]

I had never played Red Earth before

What a weird little entry.

Kind of a boss rush rpg in fighting game format?

[steep kite]

yes. Actually came out in the west first before it released in Japan. Has a fantasy theme similar to Dungeons and Dragons.

[stone crypt]

wait until you learn about Metamoqester which I don't think we have a core for at the moment..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qZ5sNZvpIQ

[stone crypt]

I am in disbelief. Always wished these would get an english translation 😆

[dry vortex]

Almost the same concept

Have you played Red Earth?

[stone crypt]

yeah, I used to play Red Earth on one of the early CPS3 emulators haha

[gusty forge]

Huge benefit of mister is how capcom is re-releasing all these top tier fighting games and I've already had perfect versions this whole time

[livid flare]

Except for no netplay, training mode, gallery etc etc.

[stone crypt]

that's a powerful statement.

unironically, raw truth

[dry vortex]

I do like having some online play built into it and pretending fightcade isn't something people have been using for a long time

[dry vortex]

y'all heard about this KoF15?

It's pretty good.

[cosmic vault]

https://vxtwitter.com/topapate/status/1831741748223050053

[gusty forge]

Anyone know what board Big Fight: Big Trouble in the Atlantic Ocean is on?

I assume it's not on mister yet

[modern ravine]

my psychic powers say that someone watches St1ka

But should be this one https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/88648bdaeb8e57a571ee748330d4996489db8359/src/mame/tatsumi/tatsumi.cpp

[sharp pine]

https://twitch.tv/digitalgoober1

Where muh dawgs at!?

[umbral sparrow]

Is there a way that I can add to whatever file the arcade organizer creates to add more folders? It’d be nice to have a folder for horizontal games and a folder for vertical games when playing with an analog output.

Otherwise I keep opening tate style games when I’m trying to play on my horizontal crt.

[umbral sparrow]

Nevermind. Found it. Not sure how I missed it last time.

[dull crag]

Is there a way to flip the screen in CPS2 I'm missing? I'm trying to play Dimahoo and my tube is -90 degrees making Dimahoo upside down by default.

[gusty forge]

Service menu?

[dull crag]

Ahh yes, you're right, I just missed it the first time (it was hard to read upside down :D)

Thank you

[proud knoll]

Recently been playing Vsav and Cyberbots with a friend, 90s Capcom was really just trying anything and everything back then. Very oddball games but really fun the more you start to understand them. Although, I'm just stomping my friend in Vsav, he's really struggling to get a grasp on the game lol

[topaz prairie]

Those are two of my favorite games of all time

Cyberbots is really sick once you learn some of the advanced tech like charge canceling and guard canceling

The movement gets really awesome

[dry vortex]

psh, I guard cancel as soon as I put my quarters in

Blocking is for cowards.

[proud knoll]

Yeah there's nothing quite like that movement, I saw some videos of how crazy it gets. A shame it's not more popular

[sharp pine]

https://twitch.tv/digitalgoober1

Getting ready for Terry

[dry vortex]

Edmund is getting nerfed in the Terry patch

[sharp pine]

Didn’t feel like it .. I’m still whooping asses

[stone crypt]

I don't know why I never asked before, but what was the reasoning behind the way q sound works in CPS games? Some effects always sound like they are on extreme ends of the polarity. Like if you're playing Player 1 side, a lot of audio is emphasized on the left. In the game itself, it sounds like there are three output sources that never blend. When the characters are centered, the audio seems to want to choose the left or right side. Maybe arcade speakers blend the audio better?

In Mars Matrix, I kept thinking my speakers were messed up, but there was audio clearly going through just fine except Player 1 specific sounds only came from the left speaker.

[dry vortex]

SF6 still does this.

The audio will orient based on which side of the stage you're on

[stone crypt]

At my local barcade, there is a shit ton of noise so I never noticed it there.

[dry vortex]

Like it will be mostly out of the right channel if you're jammed into the right corner of the scene.

I don't know if that's a setting or not.

[stone crypt]

In SF6, the sounds are more dynamic so I've never heard it as pronounced. Since CPS games have simpler sound but with echo/reverb sometimes, it's easier for me to pixk up on.

I think Street Fighter 4 does the same thing. Specially during character and srage select where the player 2 side has lower volume for selection confirm sound.

[stone crypt]

So I went from Alpha 1 to Alpha 2, and they definitely improved the sound where it is proportionate to where the characters are standing.

[topaz prairie]

@stone crypt btw check these out if you havent seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujH5gn7kzUU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4gkTUSnB3A

[stone crypt]

Thanks, gonna have to watch these. I'm curious about what kind of combos can pull off.

[gusty axle]

Slap Happy is a crazy & fun game. It's like if Jet Set Radio made a 2D fighter. The character designs & art style are particularly excellent

[timber condor]

I gotta sit down and read up on slap happy. I didn’t like it at first but I didn’t know how to play.

[safe cargo]

Anyone have the right qsound.zip file needed. I can't find it with the internet archive down.

[quaint chasm]

Check your DM's

[timber condor]

Can’t ask for copyrighted material on this server, sorry.

[topaz prairie]

it has a full chain combo series that makes it relatively easy to figure out basic combos for most chars

you can do each button standing and crouching in the chain but can't go backwards

so like: s.LP c.LP s.LK c.LK s.HP c.HP s.HK c.HK

is technically the full series

but generally your basic combos are gonna be something like 2-3 weak attacks, into a heavy, into a heavy minilauncher xx special or super

c.HP or s.HK are the most typical launchers

[desert plover]

Is update all still not grabbing Mame files yet? It seems to be back up to read but some things seem to be locked

[cosmic vault]

it wont grab new stuff because no one has been able to add new stuff

[timber condor]

But it can grab all the existing stuff at least, right?

[cosmic vault]

yeah it should

I haven't seen any errors

it grabbed the new pacman stuff that went up before ia went down

[timber condor]

Ok cool, that’s good to hear

I blame Zakk

[desert plover]

Cool, and should be grabbing the BIOS files etc again

Realistically any new arcade cores we get, the ROMs will have been in the Mame archive for a long time, so new MRAs would grab the corresponding ROM film in theory (even while people can't add more ROMs)

At this stage they can't be adding that many newly dumped arcade ROMs each year.

[cosmic vault]

I feel like each mame release is like "here are some more mahjong and slot games"

[earnest dagger]

https://hackaday.com/2024/10/23/seven-new-street-fighter-2-arcade-rom-hacks/

[jagged wraith]

Hello, I'm kinda new to the Mister Project and wanted to know if there's a way to map on the CPS2 games 3 punches and 3 Kicks to one button? (I mean, one button per 3 buttons, not all the 6 buttons in one) :0

[timber condor]

Nope, just two

[cosmic vault]

time killers core when

[topaz prairie]

you can hard wire a PPP button or you can git gud : )

[cosmic vault]

skill diff

[jagged wraith]

jaja

ofc

tbh it was not for me, one of my friends play Fightcade 2 where he uses a lot of the remap options

I only play Alpha2 and can activate cc without any problems at all

[carmine anvil]

okay im getting into marvel vs slop 2. since it only uses 2 instead 3 buttons. i know you can get access to your mediums by pressing light twice but for the air combos, what would be the typical sequence youd have to press?

[carmine anvil]

I think I got it now

[dry vortex]

@sharp pine

[sharp pine]

It’s muh boys b day!

[dry vortex]

Go bully some scrubs.

[sharp pine]

Sorry Im busy !lol

Busted out the old cube!

[dry vortex]

I watched someone play through that on stream a few years ago.

That's a ridiculous game

[timber condor]

Def Jam New York?

[carmine anvil]

The pogo stick finisher makes me laugh lol. It’s absurd

https://tenor.com/view/pogo-stick-pogo-jump-pogo-jump-wrestling-gif-15238665502902136498

Oh course there’s a gif of it LOL

that’s just how ppl scrap in New York. Casual exchange.

[dry vortex]

Stopandfrisk.gif

Cops seeing what falls out of your pockets.

[topaz prairie]

LP>LK>LP>LK>HP>HK is the full air chain

and the second LP and LK will have Mediums come out

[carmine anvil]

Thank you thank you!

[proud knoll]

also memes but, learning iron man's infinite is a good way to sort of get a feel for how those bigger combos work

granted, it is one of the easiest infinites

[topaz prairie]

Another good one is with magneto doing cHP (launches) LP LK LP LK air dash up forward LP LK LP LK HP

To get a feel for air comboing

[twin coral]

has anyone tried running zero 3 training on mister?

just comes up as default zero 3 or am i missing something

every other training rom works

[jagged wraith]

Is there a rom for training for SF Alpha2 or ST?

[twin coral]

yea

both

[jagged wraith]

Can you help me to get them? :0

[sharp pine]

https://twitch.tv/digitalgoober1

[umbral sparrow]

While IA is down is there a list somewhere to see new arcade cores that have been released to add games myself?

[desert plover]

IA should be back now for downloading, is update all not grabbing Mame ROMs again?

[umbral sparrow]

You're right - I spoke too soon! Looks like it worked fine

[cosmic vault]

WWF Superstars (from Jotego) is now public

[stone crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/darkstalkers-vampire-savior-sasquatch-the-fog-is-coming-capcom-gif-4185288027191936453

[topaz prairie]

Never thought I’d see this gif outside the Vsav discord

[stone crypt]

I played VSAV at a local spot. It's a crazy game.

[topaz prairie]

it rules

[stone crypt]

I'm kinda liking it. Hasn't grown on me yet.

[topaz prairie]

what char were you using

[stone crypt]

bouncing between Talbain, the cat girl, and the universal pictures monster

frankentstein

[topaz prairie]

Talbain and Felicia are both great choices

Victor sucks booty

[stone crypt]

I like his big button normals

but everyone else moves too fast for it

[topaz prairie]

cat and dog both have really great normals especially in the air, so you can get a good feel of the game hopping around with your normals and just chaining to knockdowns

jMK->HK is great for both

felicia j.HP is extremely spammable

and both of their dash attacks are overheads since they're hops

[stone crypt]

I need to play more. haven't absorbed the fundies in this game yet.

[proud knoll]

Once you get used to the flow of stuff it's a super fun game, Sasquatch is top tier (and fun to play)

[stone crypt]

we need this on mister asap

[topaz prairie]

Midium punch

That’s Ex Revue right?

[stone crypt]

yeah it's EX Revue

we were fucking around with it and I can't find an arcade board for it.

would be cool to have that on hand

[topaz prairie]

ive dabbled with it, not one i'd personally hunt down a board for lol

[stone crypt]

maybe cause last night was kinda hype, it left an impression on me.

[drifting smelt]

that would be a great one to have. I'd even settle for an arcade archives reissue

[oblique flicker]

the real dream is Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire. I hear it's stupid rare tho

[proud knoll]

I've been hunting a board for the last few years, they pop up occasioanlly just really expensive

like the last one I saw ended up going for way over $1k. I dunno that it's really worth that

[cosmic vault]

Has it never been dumped?

[untold mortar]

The game is in MAME set.

So, dumped.

[proud knoll]

oh yeah it's dumped, emulation is enough to play it but it has some bugs, it's just also exceedingly difficult to get a board if you want to investigate further 🙁

would love a core to exist at some point, but it's also a niche so bad its good fighting game, can't imagine it's on the radar for a lot of core devs

[woven canopy]

So this one's a little out there, but is there any info on the Namco NA- and NB-series arcade platforms getting cores? I'm asking here because the NA-2 had the somewhat meh Knuckle Heads but the NB-2 had Mach Breakers, which while not a fighting game might as well have been one because DAMN.

[timber condor]

Haven’t ever seen the Namco NA or NB series mentioned, sorry.

[calm depot]

Hello, when will be released sunset riders arcade core?

[timber condor]

Best to ask Jotego that question.

[silent plank]

It is released isn't it? Not public yet but you can play it if you are a Patreon subscriber.

[timber condor]

Yeah, correct

[runic hound]

One game I hope gets a core someday is this kind of obscure digitized, stop motion style fighter that was based on chinese mythology. It didn't look particularly interesting as a fighting game but it's definitely unique and uncommon enough to warrant preservation imo

Reikai doushi it's called

I haven't looked for a board lately but they definitely don't appear often

[dry vortex]

Look at these fighters.

[timber condor]

Yeah, that’ll be the biggest challenge. Developer interest and board access is paramount for getting an arcade core made for a game

[mystic stump]

Hey, does anybody know if the upcoming Tecmo 16 core is distinct from Jotego's Ninja Gaiden Patreon release the other day? Jose mentioned it being a MAME port, so no custom chip implementation. If it is a seperate code base, it will be fascinating to compare the two.

[carmine anvil]

noooooo why didnt my air parry work!!!!!????

[cosmic vault]

#ceasedmode

[carmine anvil]

i did it midscreen too and it didnt work, remy goes over her, remy cant even parry right 😭

[winged galleon]

Custom chip seems not dumped if we speak about MCU but in the end if someone does it it could help all implementation 😊

[cosmic vault]

The coin-op collection crew has a ninja gaiden pcb, so we will see what happens

[topaz prairie]

just ground parry it and punish

[winged galleon]

Ninja Gaiden doesn't have MCU just other games of the same system

But yeah PCB will help to understand better the real behaviour

"drgnbowl", # encrtyped CPU
"stratof", # uses MCU
"wildfang" # uses MCU

On Mame all those MCU are on the state not dumped

[cosmic vault]

ahh. and Jotego had a PCB too - just decided to let mame take the wheel. it will be interesting to see the differences between the cores

[winged galleon]

If he had PCB, maybe schematics and measurements could be performed 😅

For Arcade Mame is used a lot with PCB if it is a available 😃

[mystic stump]

So ATRAC lists the other games on the same board as coming to his Tecmo 16 core. He briefly mentioned January as being the release month. Which is why I was so puzzled to see Jotego release NG MAME implementation just before ATRAC. strange coinkydink.

[cosmic vault]

👀 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLRfES1YQU

[winged galleon]

I don't know 😅

But If you need the more closely behaviour with MCU (for other games) I think the MCU may not be usable (but not sure) after the dump.
So it is tricky if the PCB still working.

[mystic stump]

Do you know what the MCU does re the other games on the NG board? ergo what does Ninja Gaiden lack due to not having one?

[winged galleon]

The location of the protection MCU (right next to the DIP switches, and
not populated on Ninja Gaiden) is marked “µPD8049” on the PCB. This has
found to actually be a 8749 (internal EPROM type) on Raiga and Tecmo
Knight/Wild Fang

From Mame

Raiga Protection (analysis of what the MCU could be do)
MCU read routine is at D9CE

startup codes

it reads 00/36/0e/11/33/34/2d, fetching some code copied to RAM,
and a value which is used as an offset to point to the code in RAM.
19/12/31/28 are read repeatedly, from the interrupt, and the returned
value changes, some kind of mode set command?

level codes

00 | score screen after level 1 (5457)
01 | score screen after level 2 (494e)
02 | score screen after level 3 (5f4b)
03 | score screen after level 4 (4149)
04 | score screen after level 5 (5345)
05 | score screen after level 6 + first loop end sequence (525f)
06 | score screen after second loop level 1 (4d49)
07 | score screen after second loop level 2 (5941)
08 | score screen after second loop level 3 (5241)
09 | score screen after second loop level 4 (5349)
0a | score screen after second loop level 5 (4d4f)
0b | score screen after second loop level 6 + final end sequence (4a49)

other game codes

13 | Game over (594f)
15 | at the start of second level attract mode (4e75)
1c | start of level 4 attract mode (4e75)
1e | after continue .. (5349)
23 | after entering hi-score (4e75)
25 | after attract level 1 (4849)
2b | after japan / wdud screen, to get back to 'tecmo presents' (524f)

also bonus life + when the boss appears but I think they use the
same commands as some of the above

[silent plank]

I think using mame info for getting a game out is better than waiting for all chips to be dumped am I right? Maybe that's the approach that will get us cps3 sooner. The core would evolve as more info on those chips are released.

[silent thunder]

Jotego said as much a while back but that was long ago at this point so who knows if it's still being developed

[silent plank]

Jotego just mentioned in X he means to go back to cps3 this year so keeping my fingers crossed.

[silent thunder]

Yeah last I heard he was going to try and base it on MAME code

[thin egret]

Greetings, newbie here! Is it possible a Taito F3 core on MiSTer? I'd love to play Kaiser Knuckle on it. One of the few cool fighting games that hasn't been ported anywhere...

[topaz prairie]

It is thought to be feasible and is nominally in Jotego's list of things to do.

However, he ran a vote a while ago as to what core to focus on next and CPS3 smashed F3, he recently hinted he may revisit CPS3 this year

tl:dr It's possible but it could be a while

Have you delved into DanKuGa at all?

the sequel

[thin egret]

Yes, of course! Although I always thought of DanKuGa as sort of "Kaiser Knuckle Champion Edition"

[topaz prairie]

@oblique flicker is one of the big proponents of that game and drivers of the scene

[oblique flicker]

yeah I'm hoping an f3 core gets cracked some day. Forget the one guy's name who was posting about it

RCA Victor something?

Not sure if they're still working on it

[thin egret]

Hope so, there's plenty of great games on that board.

[topaz prairie]

Yeah as much as I appreciate 3s and its importance in the scene, I’d personally play more stuff on F3

[thin egret]

Yeah, most fighting game fans are mostly Capcom biased...

[proud knoll]

I guess I have some bias cuz I have an f3 board but not cps3 💀
Regardless I hope both happen, there's lots of really cool stuff on the F3

[runic hound]

I'd rather someone worked on an f2 core. So many f3 games already have top tier ports, and for f2 you got mame basically

Oh yeah i forgot about hamster's ports

Hamster does great work, but it's all on switch

Wait, gun frontier is on ps4...

[thin egret]

On the same vein, what about the Fuuki FG-3? Only Asura Blade and Asura Buster were made on that board, and both are bangers. Even MAME still can't emulate them properly.

[shy hornet]

That is Rika from Korea. She postponed the core because she was overwhelmed by the sheer size of one chip. Thus not so soon, I guess.

[oblique flicker]

ah, thanks for the info. I'm definitely in no rush, it's cool that it's even on the table

[shy hornet]

Gun Frontier has a great Saturn port

[plush flame]

It's it own thing but not really a great port, the main difference is dynamic difficulty (rank) being completely absent, the arcade archive version is a much better choice these days.

[runic hound]

Yeah it's not a good port unfortunately. The developers had to buy a board and recreate it by ear because they were given no source code

[sharp pine]

Why you gotta practice specifically against my main bro?

[carmine anvil]

you know how many ppl use chun li mang ?

[sharp pine]

I was joking maing! And besides I’m back to playing VI waiting on that Mai drop!

[dry vortex]

So this came up in SAM

🤣

[topaz prairie]

a little strip fighter?

[dry vortex]

I just thought it was some tame gooner fighter like DoA until they started doing specials

[dry vortex]

did y'all ever play Dark Edge?

I had never heard of it before last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs2RLRTpXXI

[topaz prairie]

cool effect but it looks awful lol

[sharp pine]

It is awful lol but yeah back in the day I would loved it

[dry vortex]

It feels weird to play but I'm not sure if it's because it's actually bad or my brain is rejecting an unfamiliar pattern.

I love the perspective. It feels like someone standing there with a camcorder while two people are fighting. Like a skate video but for a duel.

And, since it's using the same tech, it has a Space Harrier sequence in it 😄

[sharp pine]

It does have hella style!

[gusty forge]

the moment it shifted to a 3d fighter my mind was blown

[dry vortex]

I kind of wonder how 3d fighters might have turned out if someone had made something like that elegant. I guess you have stuff like Bushido Blade and Power Stone but almost everything else is fighting on a 2d plane, mostly, with the occasional dodging or sidestepping in there. It feels like simplicity sells.

[dry vortex]

Or, the FGC is set in its ways 😄

[topaz prairie]

the "FGC" at large didn't exist when these games were made

People latched on to the games that were good and fun

it's not about simplicity, it's about it working well

[dry vortex]

And they all exist on a 2d plane now.

[topaz prairie]

There's also games like Ehrgeiz

A lot of the full 3d games just were very clunky to control

and hard to line up with your opponent without a snapping lock on kind of system

so you either line up and fight, or you're running around trying to swing at each other and whiffing past one another

[dry vortex]

hard to control, clunky, that's my point.

I'm saying, if someone made one that felt good 3d fighters might be different. Instead, we locked them into a mostly 2d plane because it was easy and familiar

[topaz prairie]

Gundam Ex VS is probably the closest thing to a full 3d environment fighting game

[dry vortex]

But I don't need a lecture on the history of fighting games. I'm just looking at this weird little fighting game with a cool perspective based on the same tech as Space Harrier wondering about what could have been. 😄

[topaz prairie]

the answer is not much or it woulda happened lol

[dry vortex]

I don't think that. 🤷‍♂️

But I'm a sicko.

I think Bushido Blade is one of the best games ever made.

[modern ravine]

indeed you are

bushido blade is still good though

[topaz prairie]

bushido blade is one of the coolest games ever made

best is crazy

[dry vortex]

oh, are we not talking in hyperbole?

[modern ravine]

nope, 3s talk hasn't started

[dry vortex]

Boxing games work pretty well. Those are 3d fighters.

UFC, outside of the grappling, works pretty well.

[modern ravine]

a buriki one successor could have worked pretty well

[dry vortex]

Shit, wrestling games... though I don't know if I have ever loved a wrestling game for all I was inflicted with wrestling games growing up in the South

is 'For Honor' a fighting game?

🤔

[topaz prairie]

its definitely fighting game adjacent

I had some homies who were big into For Honor when it came out

[dry vortex]

I was for a while

really hard to get back into it if you fall off, with all the live service aspects of it

[topaz prairie]

the constant patching and rebalancing has hit most of the current fighting games too

[dry vortex]

Last time I installed it, there were so many pop-ups, currencies, characters, crafting, etc., packed into it and changed that I uninstalled it without even getting into a match

[topaz prairie]

oh yeah that shits super annoying and a huge turn off

[dry vortex]

I put a few hours into it.

[topaz prairie]

It was definitely a game I could have seen myself getting into, just never did

and fighting game fundamentals definitely went a long way

from watching my friend play

[dry vortex]

the melee combat is something which feels like a wild improvement upon something like Mount and Blade's directional attacks and blocking

They took a fun idea and made it feel good. I hope people steal from it.

[winged galleon]

https://x.com/RCAVictorCo/status/1885347350438436882

イカビク (@RCAVictorCo) on X

Capcom CPS3 PPU

Delayering and automatic tools are essential. It looks like 600-500nm for sure.

Toshiba could probably reverse engineer that for about 100k bucks?

X · Jan 31, 2025, 3:20 PM

[jolly raven]

Is current status of CPS3 “its complicated”? I mean like, they have what they need but it’s just hard?

[cosmic vault]

I believe Coin Op plans on putting it on their framework. It may not work with any current gen FPGAs, but will be ready for the next generation of them

I am pretty sure the current status is that it won’t work on the Analogue Pocket, and likely won’t work on the de10nano

but maybe…..

https://tenor.com/n0MeVBEOx72.gif

[livid flare]

I can’t imagine that’s the case. It’s a single Hitachi SH-2 that I can’t see it any more taxing than the Saturn.

[cosmic vault]

🤷 I am not a dev, I’m only going off of what people smarter than me have said.

[glacial moat]

Yeah, I won't be too surprised whenever the Saturn core starts wrapping up, JT might take a serious crack at it.

[topaz prairie]

https://vxtwitter.com/MameHaze/status/1887950894425383098

[dry vortex]

I didn't even know there was a Primal Rage 2

I never touched it.

[stone crypt]

https://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=811

[proud knoll]

damn, I never did all the work to check out PR2 before, now I'll have to

[blazing flax]

is there any news in thet world of mister arcade cores right now?

the last time I checked the status was "cps3, may happen at some point" "namco system 11/sega model 2 - may be physically possible but no one's working on them"

does that sound about right?

[silent plank]

Nothing has changed regarding those systems. Those should be on the top list of most people, I might add PGM and a Midway MK core that works on mister.

[cosmic vault]

Coin-Op collection plans on doing a CPS 3 FPGA core this year. Whether or not it is compatible with existing FPGAs is up in the air.

[desert plover]

I wouldn't put much stock in that. If they do then impressive, but that seems well above what they have done before.

[silent plank]

Jotego did a tweet about going back to cps3 this year. So maybe a little competition is motivation enough to get that core out sooner, as I don't think they are collaborating anymore.

[cosmic vault]

They are not.

[blazing flax]

aren't they busy filing dmcas at people?

and pretending to make mars

[native echo]

they seem to be good at basically that. generating hype.

and drama

not quite as good at fulfilling promises

[upper wigeon]

its time bois

new fatal fury open beta free on steam

maybe we fpga it in 60 years. lets get our practice in now!

[timber condor]

How is it?

[upper wigeon]

looks good. controls well. netcode seems good. i’m not an snk guy so i have no concept of combos and i’m just pressing buttons and throwing fireballs with the german guy. it’s cool.

[silent thunder]

I have no concept of combos for literally any fighting game

I briefly did when I had MK3 on Genesis, and MK9 on PS3

because I had some kind of guide that told me combos

[cosmic vault]

There is a move in the tutorial that my hands will not do

[topaz prairie]

Which move

[cosmic vault]

the timed block thing and then forward

I can't time the forward because I'm old

[topaz prairie]

Oh; yeah it’s like a red parry in 3s I saw some friends talking about it

[cosmic vault]

👀

[gusty forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dear-sweet-baby-jesus-praying-sweet-jesus-baby-jesus-prayers-gif-17229699

[cosmic vault]

@lucid mesa @wary jungle @serene locust #1047333006555217991 message

[lucid mesa]

haha that DAMN JOTEGO always does this shit after I export the news episode for the month

where I say "no updates on CPS 3 yet"...but I am not lying...it wont get heard til after thurs

[cosmic vault]

I feel like that happened with saturn last month - sorry duder

just put a footnote during the section with that image :p

[lucid mesa]

haha it does not matter

all dozen of us here see it

[cosmic vault]

https://tenor.com/biZSR.gif

[lucid mesa]

and honestly its not a fundamental bit of news. We know he's working on it

[cosmic vault]

yeah. i guess the only news is that it's going to be a focus for the year

but it's always been something on the backburner so it's not like it's too much of a surprise

But my precious NGPC :/

[silent plank]

It is news still, last update regarding cps3 was that jotego was thinking of resuming work on that. Now we have confirmation he is indeed targeting 2025. Friday can't come soon enough.

[lucid mesa]

not news worth opening up the VO again. Thats text description news

and because friday is after thursday I have covering fire lol

[wary jungle]

Thanks, CPS3 man 😀

[cosmic vault]

the dream is still alive! (I assumed you would have seen this in JT's discord, but I didn't want you to feel left out of the big red button push)

the button alerts all. praise be to the button

[wary jungle]

I always appreciate the pings.

I do frequent JT's discord, but today's been a busy day at work.

[desert plover]

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but once bitten twice shy with JT's announcements for what he going to work on, and what actually comes out and over what timescale. What does this actually mean in practice? If he does focus on it then maybe he will have a playable CPS3 core in 2026 or 2027?

Is this even news worthy?

[cosmic vault]

I think him saying it will actually be a focus is probably news...mentionable? But yeah, I'm with you (as mentioned with my beloved NGPC core)

[silent plank]

Maybe he decided to use mame after all instead of waiting for chips to be decapped / reverse engineered. Like what he did on JTGaiden.

[shy hornet]

Well, it's no Gunbird 2 core and no PGM, but I guess CPS3 is quite ok. I am no competitive player though, thus for me Street Fighter Zero 3 or Streetfighter Alpha 2 are more or less the same. I cannot see the step up in anything (but HW specs).

[silent plank]

Its only 6 games, and 3 of those games are redundant because of the updated versions. Still, would be a milestone for fpga.

[timber condor]

CPS3 is cool. I’m personally not excited for it but I’m happy for all the SFIII fans

[silent plank]

You also have coinop collection doing their version, so sooner or later one will come out.

[cosmic vault]

It sounds like coin op is focused on Raizing/Toaplan/Cave68k

CPS 3 will be later

[desert plover]

I would rather see someone work on Kickle to be honest, that one at least wouldn't take very long.

[timber condor]

Kickle Cubicle?

[desert plover]

PGM would be a really nice system to get, although you can get PGM2s pretty cheap and they basically make PGMs redundant as they have better versions of the best games on there. Still considering getting a PGM2 and supergun at some point

[desert plover]

Yeah, love that game on the NES, never played the arcade version

[timber condor]

Dude same here, game is awesome!

[desert plover]

It is such a great little game, really fun, nice puzzles, great art and still holds up well, better than a lot of games from the era

[lucid mesa]

Damn voters not saying PGM

CPS 3 is fun and the hardware sucks to use in practice so it def could use an FPGA core for preservation as it’s delicate AF. But it’s so much work for six games…which are really just three gemes; 3x SF II, 2x Jojo’s and a Red Earth

And I doubt any tournaments will use an FPGA core

[cosmic vault]

that's the question, really. Because it took them an hour to set up the hardware for the sf3 finals at evo last year

and I cannot imagine that they want to keep doing that

[timber condor]

Yeah, I’m not super familiar with either but from a pure quantity perspective PGM seems to offer more.

[timber condor]

Why so long?

[cosmic vault]

because they are so finicky

they ran into a bunch of issues

that, of course, didn't happen at any other point in the tournament

[timber condor]

Ah damn

[lucid mesa]

They also have to load the entire game into ram on power on

That takes a long time

If at any point it has a write error (very common) to any SIMM it either hangs or throws an error…and you power cycle it and loading starts from square one

[cosmic vault]

From a preservation standpoint, a cycle accurate SF3 is absolutely worth spending time on CPS3. From a "I wanna play games" standpoint...

but it would be a huge milestone either way

[timber condor]

That’s cool, thanks for explaining it guys

[lucid mesa]

G-Net has similarly annoying loading times but not as long as CPS 3 and way less prone to errors

[timber condor]

There’s also that Red Earth game too for CPS3

[lucid mesa]

That being said I call CPS 3 meh for six games but I say 3DO M2 for five games is super important so 🤣

[timber condor]

M2 isn’t real tho

[lucid mesa]

Neither is SF III; just a B tier Alpha

[desert plover]

Presumably if he is does wind up basing it on Mame it won't be accurate enough to use in tournaments

[topaz prairie]

If the core is good they will. 3s tournies are already often limited by hardware.

All the CPS2 scenes have mostly moved to MiSTer for events at this point

[timber condor]

Damn that's amazing

[south pebble]

Depends on the core. I know CPS2 core has limited usage for casual and TO's due to timing issues that JT still needs to revisit.

Many arcade FGC enthusiast are looking forward to CPS3 schematics from JT's research to help replace and rebuild parts.

[topaz prairie]

the timing issues only affect Hyper Fighting which has a pretty small playerbase in the first place

[south pebble]

haha yea thas true

[topaz prairie]

Vampire Savior, Super Turbo, Alpha 2, MVC1, XVSF, Cyberbots, etc all get played on mister a good bit of the time now

we've had a couple 100+ man vsav tournies on mister and numerous 60+

[south pebble]

Our usual spots in socal are not seeing that level of support yet. Most already have original hardware for smaller TO's and casuals

At scale Mister is what I would love to see

[topaz prairie]

I already had the original hardware, Mister is just way way more convenient, so a lot of us moved to it

[timber condor]

I'd like to go to a fighting game tournament one day

[south pebble]

i agree

folks here are still on CPS2 Multi's

[topaz prairie]

I've used my darksoft CPS2 for ~20 minutes total since I got my misters

[south pebble]

yea mine sits in the closet

4/8 of my cabs have mistercades

1 has a 2-way switch with Thirdstrike as primary

looking forward to the day i can disable that lol

[cosmic vault]

Is hyper fighting still too fast? Jotego says it’s fixed https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/issues/584

[topaz prairie]

I'd have to ask the HF guys, I havent followed closely bc I'm pretty whatever on HF

even the comments in that issue are still someone saying its not fixed and jotego being like "no it is"

[south pebble]

Super Turbo is the pinnacle over Hyper anyways

[cosmic vault]

Yeah, that’s why I was wondering because if it’s not fixed, it would be great to have more data to show jotego

[proud knoll]

I was pretty sure it did get fixed but, maybe it's worth testing again more thoroughly

[silent plank]

Just did an unscientific test on that. Took me 51 seconds to run the clock, so it matches the arcade. I think I would call it fixed.

[cosmic vault]

I was just about to do the same, nice 🙂

[floral sentinel]

Depends on if you prefer the 10 mhz or the 12

The bar near me likes the slower on and it drives me crazy

[shy hornet]

For Hyper Fighting is just a cororate hack and it was not meant to be played that way. If I want it slow Street Fighter II without Turbo is it. If I want it fast SSF 2 is it.

[glacial moat]

Who's to say whose board is the most accurate one? They're like two decades old 😄

[proud knoll]

three decades now, HF was 92

[glacial moat]

Oh whoops, I was referencing CPS3, but yes

Yeah, arcade PCBs are hot potato'd through arcades, private sellers, repair shops like crazy, stuff happens and change overtime

[desert plover]

Does the CPS1 core support this one?
https://gamesdb.launchbox-app.com/games/details/85721-poko-nyan

I know support was added for Magical Pumpkin

[sharp pine]

https://youtu.be/bhVjnmuVd94?si=LQCmNWqCMU_CeBcD

Thoughts ?

[cosmic vault]

Interesting. SF6 felt like a breath of fresh air after SF5. But maybe it got stale? I should watch the vid

[ruby grail]

Wait so what is the last good SF?

[cosmic vault]

Mortal Kombat 2

[ruby grail]

Hmmm which version is best

Snes?

[cosmic vault]

Hmm

Probably. 32x is pretty good tho

[ruby grail]

I prefer the 32x controller

I never really understood what the difference between mk2 and 3.

By the time 3 came out, it wasn't new and exciting anymore

[cosmic vault]

3 is fine. 2 will always be my favorite

[lone girder]

Was reading there is wrestlefest for mister but it requires a specific room that must be converted. Has anyone here done this?

[cosmic vault]

yeah, it's easy. however, I'm pretty sure that is going to wind up in update all at some point - they may do the rom conversion in the core itself

https://www.patreon.com/posts/coin-op-presents-120641719

[lone girder]

I feel like finding the specific mame rom from will be the difficult part

Surprised someone hasn't just posted it already converted for download somewhere

[primal compass]

Hello I’m setting up a mister inside of an Astro city that’s gonna be public, the issue is that the core/mister settings show up when holding start, how can I remove that?

Just seeing it work flawlessly is cool but if casuals can activate the settings menu it kinda sucks lol

[cosmic vault]

I’m not sure you can? @livid badge would know

[silent plank]

You can put a password on the osd when a core is running in mister.ini.

; Protect access to the OSD when a core is running
; When attempting to access the OSD players will be prompted for an unlock code.
; U = Up, D = Down, L = Left, R = Right, A = Select, B = Back
; Setting osd_lock to DUUUD would require entering the sequence Down, Up, Up, Up, Down
;osd_lock=DUUUD

You could try setting it to UUDDLRLRBA 🙂

[topaz prairie]

you can also just make the OSD hotkey not something that includes start

[primal compass]

Well now it shows that when start is held

It’s not that much better, I just want the mister to not consider any input other than a keyboard to show up OSD 🥲

[topaz prairie]

you dont need to use the OSD lock, you just need to not map the OSD hotkey to anything

and right now you have it set to start+something

[primal compass]

I don’t see where the OSD hotkey is set up in the ini file

[topaz prairie]

its not in the ini, its in the controller mappings for 'menu'

[primal compass]

If I set up the menu button to « undecided » it still acts at menu button when held

Am I that stupid? 🥲

[topaz prairie]

it should not do that by default

What is the JAMMA board you're using?

[primal compass]

The Chinese one

[topaz prairie]

is there any sort of manual with it? i'm wondering if that's a bonus 'feature' they added

There's a blurb about mode 2 being SNAC

which doesnt interface with the OSD

but that still may be an extreme measure for what seems like a mapping issue

[primal compass]

I don’t have the DB15 SNAC module

So it’s some sort of USB interface acting as gamepads

[silent plank]

You should have that ini entry unless you are using an out of date ini file. https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/MiSTer.ini Look in line 354.

[primal compass]

Thanks I’ll look for that tomorrow, I’m out of the arcade right now

[primal compass]

« When attempting to access the OSD players will be prompted for an unlock code. » that’s not my issue, my issue is that the OSD can be prompted by holding start

[silent plank]

I thought you were worried people would mess with the settings

[primal compass]

I’m worried about the OSD popping up when arcade is open and casuals just hold the start button. I want that once the game is launched the OSD can’t be called by any input from the usb pads

[silent plank]

Seems like an issue with that board, must be an added feature. Mister doesn't have a hold key to open osd option does it?

Can't you contact the Chinese seller?

[primal compass]

Yeah I think I’ll do that now that I know it’s not a generic behavior of mister

Thank y’all for the troubleshooting anyway!!

Mister will be awesome to finally put new legacy at the arcade for our FG players to try out without having to flash a CPS2

[topaz prairie]

have em try out SF2mix too

[primal compass]

I don’t know that one! Gonna look it up 👀

[livid badge]

Got nothing on that aliexpress monster, I’m a mistercade man

Monster because it’s big and has got a lot of shit going on, not commenting on the quality or whatever, never used one

[cosmic vault]

Ahh, I didn’t even realize there were significant differences between them (I also didn’t realize it was a generic Ali board)

[primal compass]

Just in case someone has the same issue, I checked with the manufacturer and it’s a hardware mod he did

The fix is to remove two resistances

R32 and R27

That’s for the JAMMA/JVS Expander (putting that here so it’s easier to find back with search)

[topaz prairie]

cool, good to know

[bronze zodiac]

https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/issues/1031

[silent plank]

Happens on both hdmi and crt?

[topaz prairie]

Crazy, confirmed on my setup

Mister

Darksoft

[plush flame]

Could you check the intro of COTM on your Darksoft setup please ? Noticed that towards the end of the intro when the game rapidly flickers between the character portraits and gameplay that Iceman's sprite shifts to the right as pictured.

Its the only intro where I have generally noticed sprites taking multiple frames to draw or going missing like pictured, below only happens for a frame or so before of after a screen transition.

Over HDMI...

[cosmic vault]

I cannot reproduce this at all

I'm using the roms from the arcade DB

wait, got it

its in the quick ones

This is what I see. I take it this is incorrect?

[plush flame]

I think you are a little early to see the iceman sprite shift, it happens on the 2nd to last time you see that group shot, should be pretty obvious if you look for it. I'm using Japan 950105 just in case that makes a difference.

[cosmic vault]

Euro 950331 is the default for that in the mister.

Here is euro 950331 and Japan 950195 (Japan is the one without sound)

Wolverine doing his thing

[plush flame]

You can just see iceman double up for a frame in the 3045 video

[cosmic vault]

aha

I missed that completely

should have done a slow mo video for it

[plush flame]

Can see it on Euro 950331 on my setup as well.

[cosmic vault]

Now that I'm watching the sprites more closely, there are all sorts of issues

I'll update my comment on the ticket

[visual pine]

Does anybody know how well Mega Man Power Battle and Power Fighters work on the CPS1 and CPS2 cores?

[silent plank]

No issues there, been playing them for years.

[bronze zodiac]

Thank you!

[topaz prairie]

How'd you even pick up on that? lol I play a lot of XVSF and it never stood out

[bronze zodiac]

I have a good eye to pick up things, I can spot missing single pixels sometimes which is my biggest curse because I have later nightmares about them XD

[topaz prairie]

i knew about the random pixels on the van stage

but theres so many other instances of intense sprite flicker that the super effect clipping never stood out in motion

like how cyke super flashes top and bottom half alternating, or the way storm lightning super animates

[cosmic vault]

Yeah, really nice catch, Demon - it took @plush flame holding my hand and pointing it out before I saw it. Hopefully JT can do something about it

[bronze zodiac]

No problem 🙂 Thank you.

[silent plank]

Just found out there is a patch to fix Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo (World & Usa) difficulty. Been playing the Japan version for years to avoid the cheap ai. Will be nice to play English versions again.

[sharp pine]

I’m playyyeeen mahhvel!

[cosmic vault]

👀 https://www.patreon.com/posts/coin-op-presents-126878799

[cosmic vault]

Not sure @lucid mesa @wary jungle or @serene locust want to be pinged on coin op releases, so let me know

[lucid mesa]

sigh...lol

[wary jungle]

Always appreciate your pings man. Please always include.

[lucid mesa]

Ill see how I feel. Cool game but...sigh 🤣

[cosmic vault]

https://tenor.com/bIbpq.gif

[lucid mesa]

well you certainly cant say anything bad about them lest you risk a lawsuit so 🤣

I dunno someone decide for me haha

@timber condor run me a poll!

[serene locust]

Please include me. They help out!

[lucid mesa]

trying the core now. See whats up

I am delegating the decision to @cosmic vault

[cosmic vault]

No no, that’s above my paygrade. I have no beef with them as they have only ever been kind to me, but I know that some folks have history, so I get it. It’s up to you, duder. It’s your channel - will your audience care about turtles in time?

[lucid mesa]

lol I will see how I feel tomorrow

I have no issue with them either...ive never even talked to most of them

it wont do any more/less views than anything else I could run in its place but I told my college students all the time "you need to learn to separate the art from the artist"

[livid badge]

Still no source code..

[simple nimbus]

I’d vote to continue to ignore them, even the choice of game seems like they’re trolling. Go back to MARS

[livid badge]

Yeah no one owns dev of a core but surely turtles in time was in Jotegos queue since he did the reimplementation of turtles to make it play and sound right from furteks effort. Feels like blowback from their public trashing of JT

[lucid mesa]

yeah thats a tough one. There is no dibs but there's also the appearance

[livid badge]

But yeah I don’t care about anything they do so long as they don’t release source code. That’s not preserving anything, it’s no better than analogue

[lucid mesa]

ill keep that in mind if I do a vid and a VO

Finished the game. Krang truly is the final boss not Splinter

[silent plank]

I am more interested in their upcoming news about cps3. I always considered the SNES version the best version of tmnt2 but still great to see the arcade version released.

Seems the FPGA wars have truly began. They have upped jotego by releasing cave68k, tmnt2, both cores he mentioned being working on.

[livid badge]

No 4 player though, it can never be better because of that

[silent plank]

I don't have enough friends.

[lucid mesa]

I let people vote on a comparison vid and it was overwhelmingly SNES

Plus none of us have three friends let’s be real 🤣

[livid badge]

Probably bunch of kids who weren’t around for it in its arcade heyday

[cosmic vault]

my arcade only had a 2 player machine

[livid badge]

I do have my snes cart from back in the day and agree it’s great. But cmon you need the whole team

Turtle power

[livid badge]

Conversion?

[cosmic vault]

i think so

I think it was maybe a TMNT 1 machine?

[livid badge]

First they have to Taylor Swift all their old cores so they can archive them and keep the updated source closed for whatever this new strategy seems to be where they no longer participate in an open source community

[lucid mesa]

lol “Taylor Swift” them 🤣 that got me to laugh out loud

Pretty sure that “strategy” is 💰

[livid badge]

I hope I’m wrong and they will release the source but so far feels like they are heading to this new era where they just distribute rbfs probably with an eye to hardware again in the future

Though probably no small designers are too excited about the idea of trying to ship hardware anytime soon 😉

[cosmic vault]

dumbest possible fucking timeline

[lone girder]

I have no idea what's going on with any of these devs, so i'm just gonna try and enjoy the game.

[lucid mesa]

lol it can always get dumber

[lucid mesa]

I’m guessing that idea is dead. Can’t sell someone something twice and nobody is buying new hardware to run old cores

[cosmic vault]

stop jinxing us https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-food-safety-inspections-plans/

[lone girder]

Did you read the article? or just post it?

The stuff that won't get inspected, is because it's already inspected prior

Seems pretty whatever

the FDA is pretty shitty to begin with ,the way they handled the baby food contamination was absolutely abysmal

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/prescription/hazard/independent.html)

They seem rather bought and paid for anyways, so how much can you really trust them?

Anways, far more interested in arcade games

[livid badge]

Yeah it could just be to get the patreon going stronger, dunno. Maybe they are just doing it like JT but he has a proven track record of releasing open source eventually and they just have a track record of online drama so only time will tell. Won’t use their stuff until then or support them financially since it’s anti preservation. I’m sure plenty will support that behavior since analogue exists and they don’t care about the preservation aspect of the retro gaming hobby

[lone girder]

I'm curious, what does it matter if they keep their core closed source? if they wrote it, why are they obligated to open source it? How is it not preservation if the game is able to be played by all?

[livid badge]

It can’t be proven whether it’s accurate, it can’t be used to build other hardware, it can’t be used to port to other FPGA chips or platforms, it can’t be used to improve software emulation

[lone girder]

Ok, what on mister fpga is 100% Accurate? Because in all the various threads i read for every platform, is while it all works great, what's truly 100% accurate?

[silent plank]

Well analogue is a hardware company, and coinop collection was supposed to become something similar with mars. Using hardware sales to fund the core development. Then pivoted to match jotegos way of funding as he was quite successful doing so.

[livid badge]

No most aren’t but they could be and anyone can contribute to make them that because the source is open

[lone girder]

But point being, they aren't, and likely never will be.

so I guess to me it makes me say whats the difference and or big deal then

You can play the game, it's just as fun

If i play say this latest game with my kid who's never played it before, and she has a blast she's never gonna go "man dad this was fun but i doubt it was 100% accurate to the real thing"

[livid badge]

Like I said some people don’t care about the preservation aspect or about open source. But mister is an OSS project so most here do

[lone girder]

It's a project that literally anyone can create for though right?

So really, there's no obligation to do so

So Everyone can just do them and go from there i guess

[livid badge]

Sure and there’s no obligation to support a group that doesn’t support OSS

[lone girder]

and that's perfectly fine as well

[cosmic vault]

i’m still expecting them to open this stuff up. I’m unsure why they haven’t yet, but that was one of their big talking points late last year

[lone girder]

I mean if those are things that are important to you, I definitely say stick to your convictions

I don't know anything about what specifics of the drama between devs

[silent plank]

As long as they publish the arcade schematics, anyone else can try to implement a core. I think that's what's really important for preservation.

[lone girder]

is it just smack talking or something?

but they aren't stopping anyone else from getting schematics themselves right?

it's not as if they possess the last known pcb or anything

[silent plank]

This tmnt2 core was possible because of furrtek. Who does open source the schematics.

[glacial moat]

If you want to know, its more than that, they use their platform to attack and slander other companies/projects to cause harm

[livid badge]

Oh it was between devs, between them and the mister project, between them and their former team members, between them and their potential mars client base, between them and YouTubers. It’s comically endless beef and drama. That being said they chilled out for 6 months or so now

[glacial moat]

Oh they're still going at it today lol

[lone girder]

slander and attacks is certainly crappy.

that's a bummer to see

[glacial moat]

There's honestly no point to it, it actually benefits everyone that multiple folks are working on multiple things

[lone girder]

For sure

I don't keep up on the little things like I did years ago with all this stuff

A bummer to see petty stuff like that still exists

[cosmic vault]

wouldn’t be a community without it

[livid badge]

Hopefully if they do stay closed Jotego still does a TMNT2 so he can open source it

[timber condor]

That drama shit don’t belong here.

We’re all grown ass men and women. Fucking get over ourselves.

I mean that to say that it’s not allowed here.

it is bad

We are good

not bad

[cosmic vault]

This is the only thing that robby gets angry about

(so, no bullshit, you know it’s serious - robby doesn’t get angry at fucking anything)

[lone girder]

how are you allowed to say fuk and I'm not is all i wanna know now lol

If i type that it rejects it lol

[timber condor]

I dunno, im a dancing monkey here to entertain people

[cosmic vault]

just here to kick ass and pray for a virtual boy core

and im all out of ass

wait what

[lone girder]

lol

I got some cheap 3D glasses that worked with Retroarch for 3d Virtual boy

tried it a couple times, it was pretty fun

[timber condor]

You know what it is to really love a hobby, really get into it so happy to share your excitement with people, and then find out there’s a bunch of people being shitheads. It’s a total downer man. Because they don’t have to be shitheads, there’s absolute zero reason. And it pisses me the fuck off because this is supposed to be our happy little slice of the internet and why shit that up? Life is already a steaming pile man, just leave that at the door and be awesome with each other. We’re all huge fucking retro nerds, literally love the same thing, we have that connection. Petty shit shouldn’t bring that down, petty shit shouldn’t interfere with our communal love and passion for this. We need to just fucking drop it and move on and work together to make this shit awesome.

Ok I’m done sorry

[cosmic vault]

Yes.

Well said

[lone girder]

Agree 100% It doesn't matter who ya are, what your political views etc, you love retro games? That should be all that matters.

[silent plank]

So how come we are in the fighting cores thread and no one is excited coinop collection will update their cps3 advances in their next major platform release? They even mention the platform released will be Sega or Taito. Please let it be Sega system 32 or Taito F3.

[lone girder]

I think I've been in this group for 6 months or so? I dunno more or less. It's the coolest group ive ever been in

[lucid mesa]

But you told me you “love to be bad”….did last night mean NOTHING to you???

[cosmic vault]

I knew it was Robby that shit on your couch

[lucid mesa]

That was always obvious

[lucid mesa]

Who you calling a nerd?

I’m a connoisseur!

[lone girder]

So to download this tmnt that has people divided, is it just available thru update all?

[cosmic vault]

Yes

[lone girder]

cool. I might as well check it out

[cosmic vault]

I dunno if the rom is (it wasn’t when I updated) but it may be now

[silent plank]

Is there any reason why some of their releases need even instructions for patching and manual installing and others are just straight from update-all?

[silent plank]

It is now.

[lucid mesa]

Good thing it’s easy to find. Because “don’t forget you should get the files dumped from your own board”

[cosmic vault]

Fresh dump just this morning!

[lucid mesa]

lol but in this instance I’m on the right side of the universe since I’ve got a Turtles in Time buried in the closet of doom

[cosmic vault]

It has to do with encryption/copy protections. Mazinger didn’t have the decryption as part of the core, but I believe it will be?

In a future update

Or it will face waka’s wrath

[silent plank]

Hope they can get that sorted soon, I really want to try some of their other releases not available in update-all. And for them to fix the new raizing core as I can only play the old version.

[cosmic vault]

Yeah, my hope is that they can get that sorted, open source the cores, and the drama can fade. It’s a big ask, but we are already on the dumbest timeline imaginable so God owes us one

[gusty forge]

Your closet must be the size of an apartment

[glacial moat]

I kinda figure the whole script thing is a way to keep IP holders off their backs, but it doesn't exactly help to openly advertise a product with other people's IP

Warner Bros is pretty litigious and flaunting MK cores isn't the greatest idea

[lucid mesa]

@gusty forge

[cosmic vault]

That’s where the “m2” lives

[sterile marsh]

I have the real board and cabinet with no friends… 🫠🫠

[lucid mesa]

Haha 13 of them

Well one lives under my tv too

[lucid mesa]

I have one friend who plays games. RPG’s and stuff. He won’t play arcade games

[lone girder]

i used to never play arcade games as well

[lucid mesa]

Also if you can’t tell shits spilling out of said closet and is waiting to claim its spot

[lone girder]

now that im older, and enjoy a shorter game experience, ive come to love arcade games.

[sterile marsh]

I used to have friends

[lone girder]

who needs friends?

overrated

[lucid mesa]

I’m always saying that in vids. When you are a busy adult a 30 minute complete game hits

[lone girder]

Absolutely

[cosmic vault]

It wasn't until the mister that I realized that there is no Bad Dudes arcade game. Only on NES. I wonder if dragon ninja was a Rayden situation

[lone girder]

I mean I wish I had time for 100 hour games

These coin op guys are becoming my enemy simply cause their shit isn't working lol

[lucid mesa]

TMNT?

[lone girder]

Yeah. For some reason it's just not showing up on the main list of arcade games

It's hidden away in another area for some reason

[cosmic vault]

do you have the coin op repository turned on in update all?

[lone girder]

Yeah it download it

[lucid mesa]

I just drag and dropped it and didn’t go through update all as I didn’t feel like waiting for it to do the rest of the stuff

[lone girder]

Now I wonder how many arcade games were on here that I didn't even know I had.

[south pebble]

What are they not releasing? They usually do once cores go public.

https://github.com/psomashekar/Raizing_FPGA

Curious on your thoughts here:

https://github.com/Coin-OpCollection

They’ve set expectations. We shouldn’t be surprised.

[livid badge]

That’s the old core code, fixes are going into closed source and released as binaries

Last commits are 3 years ago there

[south pebble]

You’re right that’s the old code for pr4m0d, it’s still live. since they are updating to their own framework, we won’t see it until it’s a public release which seems fair.

[livid badge]

Yeah it’s just been a long time with no code, hope it happens

[south pebble]

Besides I don’t think releasing the code will do anyone good in its current state anyways, there’s a handful of devs doing this at their full capacity.

[livid badge]

If it doesn’t happen it’s a huge shame because look how modular HDL recreation of chips are and how many devs have benefitted from just importing and using those. Closed source not only makes it so you don’t know the quality and don’t preserve the hardware, it also slows development of other cores by other authors

[south pebble]

I’m with you if they don’t release their code once it’s stable and public. I don’t see them doing that, they’ve delivered on that for all public stable ish releases so far.

[livid badge]

In the past year+?

[south pebble]

What has been publicly stable so far?

[livid badge]

That wresting game

That was last year this time I think

[south pebble]

They’ve been on openfpga the last year

[livid badge]

No source

[south pebble]

Is wrestlefest and the rest of technos even complete?

[livid badge]

No idea I don’t have a pocket so haven’t played it. I don’t own any analogue stuff for the same reason 😉

[south pebble]

Have you looked here?

https://github.com/Coin-OpCollection/Development-Documentation

Yes it’s openfpga that’s what they’ve been working on

[livid badge]

Yeah it’s just docs

[lucid mesa]

no open source = no preservation

[south pebble]

I’m not an expert here. Doc link doesn’t have the code?

Personally being upset for lack of code for those that have no intent to use it seems a bit meh. For those that have interest in it. I get you guys.

I would hold them accountable and ask for those public releases.

Most folks here want free games 😂

[cosmic vault]

Games are the nice side effect.

[livid badge]

You get more free games faster when it’s open so even the “more candy” (sorgism) guys benefit from oss

And more features and fixes when a whole community can contribute

[south pebble]

i agree with you 💯.

honestly i think until they are satisfied with their releases we wont get code you're highlighting. they've pretty much set that expectation already.

i would hope most devs (handful of them) would want to work from desirable code rather than incomplete or beta.

[livid badge]

Oh yeah and they may release it, just harping on it because it’s been over a year I think and Pram0d said some anti open source stuff in FPGAgaming so I’ve been watching with curiosity

[south pebble]

Yea, i recall that also. related to JT's work i think. Now we have their own framework build rising from those ashes. Time will tell. i'm optimistic.

[runic hound]

I think it depends on how fed up players are with cps3. 3s players are cultish about the hardware but the few jojo players out there don't mind playing on emulators since that scene pretty much appeared after the 2015 anime

[cosmic vault]

Posted this in the wrong arcade thread:

On Jotego’s patreon discord channel, he released an MRA for his implementation of turtles in time. I haven’t tried it but it sounds like it works perfectly fine, but it has some sprite issues. He is still waiting on furrtek to decode one of the sprite chips. He said he could implement it using mame’s technique for the chip, but their implementation is incorrect and he wants it to be accurate. So yeah, as soon as furrtek decaps and traces that chip, jotego’s version will be available as well.

[desert plover]

He might want to just implement the Mame version and get it out there, then update when Furrtek does that chip

[meager sage]

the audio was the roughest part of the release for me by far but still an impressive effort

[silent plank]

It would be the first time 2 cores are available for the same arcade game on mister. Wonder how different each will be.

[timber condor]

It happened with the original TMNT too

But I guess both of those efforts were still based on the same initial release by Furrtek

[desert plover]

There is nothing stopping someone trumping both of them and doing their own implementation based off of Furrtek's work as well, and doing it in the official FW and releasing it into Main rendering both these efforts essentially redundant. That would be quite funny.

[mossy lily]

Hello, I have a problem with the lack of color in the arcade core TMNT Turtles in Time when using composite and S-Video. My setup is the Mister RetroCastle Saturn board 2023. I already asked this question in the "CRT" section, and no one else has this issue, even with the same setup. I've updated Mister main and changed configuration settings, but nothing helps! Meanwhile, all other cores work in color without any problems. Could you please tell me where I can ask this question to try to figure out the issue?

In addition, I am attaching an image with composite, S-Video, and RGB video signals.

[winged galleon]

https://x.com/suddendesu/status/1914306749626253564?t=PO4PdUvbY3wAYhROGjOowQ&s=19

SUDDENDESU.bsky.social (@suddendesu) on X

New article up! Let's take a look at Capcom's Alien vs Predator for the CPS2 hardware and the slew of debug tools hidden inside.
🔗 https://t.co/79P8uekOru

X · Apr 21, 2025, 1:14 PM

[steep kite]

I have color in S-Video, but not composite, using the MiSTerAddons adapter.

[mossy lily]

Wow, could you please tell me what specific adapter this is? Is it the active MikeS11 adapter?

[steep kite]

yes

[cosmic vault]

MikeS figured it out @mossy lily #crt message

[shy hornet]

https://github.com/Coin-OpCollection/Distribution-MiSTerFPGA/commits/develop/

New Turtles in time build

[robust lagoon]

@lucid mesa

[lucid mesa]

haha I meant more for a triple stack but yes 🙂

[robust lagoon]

After I made the video I was like, oh yeah, anyone with an arcade cab can do this.

I got excited

[topaz prairie]

i think thats the first A1up with a functional coin door ive seen

you know... i dont think ive ever run quarters through my UMK now that I think about it lol

[winged galleon]

SF2 Prime v0.50 is out !

[tacit vine]

Mister compatible?

[winged galleon]

yes it is

[robust lagoon]

@topaz prairie I put the coin door in myself. No A1up comes with a working coin door.

[topaz prairie]

Oh I know, I’ve just seen a lot of A1up mods but never that

[tacit vine]

Any chance anybody has a MRA file for Street Fighter Alpha 3 Mix v0.13

[gusty forge]

Have you tried arcade offset for that?

https://github.com/Toryalai1/Arcade_Offset/blob/main/release/_Arcade Offset/_CP System II/Street Fighter Zero 3 Mix (Brazil 220325 V0.07).mra

This looks like it's version .07

[tacit vine]

Yes, can’t find v0.13 anywhere

[topaz prairie]

Another event in the books

[timber condor]

ARCADE BROS VERSUS EACH OTHER!

[gusty forge]

Nobody here to defend fighting games

[cosmic vault]

[topaz prairie]

Was too busy playing fighting games on my misters to vote

[proud knoll]

I took my MiSTer with me while visiting a friend, ended up playing lots of neo geo fighters, some alpha 2, and then we ended with some shadow over mystara.
Felt nice to show it off somewhere other than my own house lol

[topaz prairie]

After the VSav and ST tournies i subjected a friend to Xmen Mutant Academy 2 and Slap Happy Rhythm Busters, then played some Guilty Gear X Advance (yes the GBA one) 2p with another guy

[proud knoll]

The true classics

[lone girder]

Question bout the first TMNT arcade game. Is there any way to not be stuck playing as Leonardo? The game maps controller ports 1 thru 4 to specific turtles. Is the only way around this to connect 4 controllers?

[silent plank]

Use the 2 player ROM in alternatives folder.

[lone girder]

Thank you!!

[steep kite]

Introducing, the great Toad! Rented that once and that goofy Toad voice is what I remember from it.

[topaz prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XlBgyxnth8 this is making the rounds on twitter again on the topic of MA2 lmao

[proud knoll]

back when making characters wasn't quite that expensive and you could have a few goofy ones. I'm gonna have to put the mutant academy games on my MiSTer for the next time I head to my buddy's place for fighting games. I've never actually tried them out

[gusty forge]

Fighting games got bodied in the vote

[timber condor]

We learn something new about the community with every vote.

[sharp pine]

@gusty forge fightcade me rn!

[gusty forge]

what are your fightcade games of choice?

[sharp pine]

I’ll play anything bro

Not saying I’m good at everything but just wanna get some sets in in whatever game you wanna play for fun

[kindred panther]

I've just seen something weird with Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo (World 940223). Demo mode running, Ryu VS Chun Li. When the demo fight was about to end, Ryu performed a Shinkuu Hadouken, but Ryu didn't release the attack, the demo ended with Ryu stopped on before releasing the attack after a few seconds. Probably the normal behavior of the demo mode, still weird.

[sharp pine]

Who trying to fightcade ?

[drowsy hollow]

hey I did an update all and I can see the JT cps cores on my sd card however I cannot for the life of me find them in the mister menus, can someone give me a clue? thank you

they are in _Arcade/cores on the sd

oh nevermind I see, they just come up with the games in the arcade section and it works when I choose the game

[livid badge]

Yeah if you’re using one of the organizer scripts you can navigate by platform as well (configurable for various ways of slicing and dicing them by year, genre, publisher etc). It’s in update_all and configurable there

[timber condor]

You probably already know this or figured it out but you don’t launch arcade cores. You basically just launch the MRA files which sets the core up to play your chosen game correctly.

[drowsy hollow]

aye thanks

[tawdry geode]

steven seagal?

[sharp pine]

https://www.twitch.tv/digitalgoober1

[radiant rover]

Apologies, I'd like to confirm the current state of CPS2 on MiSTer.

Is it fully cycle accurate?

[timber condor]

I’d ask Jotego as it’s not an official MiSTer core

[radiant rover]

Oh, you're right, Jotego made that one. I apologise.

[timber condor]

No please don’t apologize. It’s very difficult to keep track of who did what and for most people it doesn’t matter.

[plush flame]

Still a few unresolved graphic issues with CPS2. https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/issues/1031

https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/issues/720

https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/issues/720

https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/issues/610

Loic Petit reverse engineered all the chips and created the schematics, given how old a lot of these bugs are I am of the opinion they are very unlikely to be fixed anytime soon.

[radiant rover]

I see. These seem relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, so I'm not too worried.

[plush flame]

It's a fantastic core, nothing game remotely game breaking and it's stuff that if you weren't told you would likely never notice.

[radiant rover]

I ran a Street Fighter Alpha 2 tournament on it yesterday, and I didn't spot any issues at a glance.

[runic hound]

When are they going to port ZN-2

I want tech romancer already

[timber condor]

Probably not in a really long time if ever. 3D arcade hardware is extremely complex since it’s super proprietary.

I mean, I don’t know shit. I’m just guessing here.

[runic hound]

It's just a modified playstation

[timber condor]

Yeah? Well then nevermind!

How many modified PS1 arcade boards are out there? Wow.

[runic hound]

A lot

ZN-2s are kind of hard to find though

[proud knoll]

It'd be nice to have fighting layer as well, hopefully some day.

[timber condor]

I man Tech Romancer does kick ass

[silent plank]

Here's hoping for that one. Namco system 12 is the king of those PS1 based arcade boards for fighting games. Tekken tag and soul calibur are my most wanted games not on mister.

[runic hound]

We also need aqua rush and dancing eyes

[cosmic vault]

@daring lodge I assume this is the right page, yeah? https://sfz3mix.github.io

[daring lodge]

Yep

I emailed the author once and he seemed amicable to helping with any FPGA stuff but he said he's not a pro by any means and the MAME driver mods were just kind of hacked together by him.

[topaz prairie]

does the latest version not work on mister or something?

[cosmic vault]

https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/issues/1076 🤷‍♂️

[cosmic vault]

I am under the impression that none of them work because the mame driver is different

[daring lodge]

After a certain version he wrote a custom MAME driver to add the features he wanted.

So MiSTer is stuck with older ones that run on real CPS-2 specs.

[cosmic vault]

ahh gotcha

[topaz prairie]

Word

I’ll show it to my buddy MBD who helped figure out how to get Vsav AE working again on mister, he may have insight

[south pebble]

Coin-OP Collection is working on ZN-2. The first board they are studying is TGM (Tetris The Grand Master). Brandon is leading this effort, he's a huge fan of the game.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/coin-op-update-99858817?l=es

[south pebble]

They are a dime a dozen, not in abundance as CPS2, can easily acquire them. I have several myself. TGM, SFEX, SFEX2+, also Namco System 11 and 12 Variants

[south pebble]

Two of my personal grails on that system.

[dry vortex]

Can anyone off the top of their head think of some examples of fighting games where there's more 'trades' in the mechanics? Like, if you both throw a punch you both get some effect, even if that effect varies by what and when you throw? I know that happens more in boxing games but I'm trying to come up with fighting game examples.

[modern ravine]

unless I am severely misunderstanding the question I fail to think about ones were there aren't trades (and my mind goes to midway there)

[dry vortex]

well, they all have some trades, occasionally, but often one attack can punch through and interrupt another in a way that's more of a balance mechanic like rock paper scissors, you know?

Instead of how actual fighting would work where an arm in flight still hits something.

[modern ravine]

it's all overlapping rectangles

[dry vortex]

or cubes in 3d fighters

Hellish Quart kind of does the physics based fighting thing.

And goofy shit like Half-Sword

[modern ravine]

more spheres in 3d I think

[dry vortex]

Is it? I've never seen it broken down.

[modern ravine]

easier calculations

[dry vortex]

Kind of explains why so many games cover up the hit collisions with hit effects

Any kind of imprecision is hid behind a big sparkle 😄

[topaz prairie]

DoA works like you're suggesting

where theres a big triangle of RPS

[dry vortex]

attacks having armor is kind of an abstraction of the idea. Like, this is still going to connect unless you flurry them out of it

[topaz prairie]

armor typically loses to throws too

[winged galleon]

New version of Street Fighter II': Prime (v0.55)

[sharp pine]

I’m never gonna make diamond! Watch me flail like a magicarp out of water https://twitch.tv/digitalgoober1

Dese kids too good

[oblique flicker]

if you want something more like an actual fighting game than like, boxing or sword fighting, Asuka 120% for sure. LimitOver on Saturn is the best one but there's a ton of versions that are all solid.

Every move can clash, normal moves, special moves, even your forward dash lol, and you can jump or double jump if you want to get out instead of trying to spam clash.

[winged galleon]

@plucky otter for information sf2prime 0.56 have graphical issues maybe something needed to be changed on the mra

[plucky otter]

Thanks for letting me know

Please create issue in arcade offset repo

Otherwise I forget

[winged galleon]

ok 🙂

[sharp pine]

I’m beating up on masters I guess

8/10 against this dude my favor .. and I play low tier

[topaz prairie]

There’s like 20 people in the country that play A3 enough to do CCs

[sharp pine]

lol I’m
One of em

[proud knoll]

Does upper balance anything or just adds new characters

[sharp pine]

Balances the super cheap stuff mostly no more whiffin grab to build meter

Getting some
Prime comments though lol this is cvs2 not A3 btw

[livid badge]

Taunt was super effective

[stone crypt]

Is it normal for the CPS2 core volume to be low? This is something that's bothered me but I assumed it was just some setting I never bothered to look for.

[lone girder]

That fella seems TOTALLY stable.... 🤡

[sharp pine]

Just got off work! Bout to hop on after dinner and grind to diamond rank

Hope I run into dude again

[lone girder]

As long as you understand now...

That your Blanka ain't shit compared to his Blanka 😂

[sharp pine]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-uhhh-what-gif-19383908

[sharp pine]

Or his Vega and Honda!

I am nothing!

[lone girder]

I'm all for good smack talking, and man back in the day when I'd trash talk in NFL 2K5, I most certainly said heinous things to try n get people off their game

But to message someone afterwards and say that kinda shit is a whole other level

[sharp pine]

People take their fighting games very seriously add to that my unorthodox play style factor in my reactions and top it all off with some sick taunts and these dudes don’t even have a 33/3 chance to beat me .. cause I don’t play normal!

[plush flame]

Just noticed SF Zero 2 has what looks to be the same issue as https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/issues/1031

After selecting a character you usually get a silhouette of a background layer from the next stage , occasionally the character select.

Before a white screen after the Z animation.

[silent plank]

Has anyone noticed a random flicker while playing ssf2t? us version. I'm using hdmi. This is very random and I don't know if it always had the issue. Can't even show a video as it is so random. And happens for a frame maybe. Been playing that game since I got my mister and noticed in the last couple of months.

[plush flame]

I believe that is real hardware behavior on fei long and dee jays stage (maybe t hawk too), is that where you saw it?

[silent plank]

Now that you mention it yeah, I am sure I have seen it on those stages. Had no idea it was an issue on real hardware.

[sharp pine]

@topaz prairie hey bro do you know this dude ?

Dudes rolento was insane !

[topaz prairie]

Nope

[kindred panther]

I think this issue affects all CPS 1 and 2 games, they're just less noticeable in most of them.

[runic hound]

Any word on cps3

Also, having to constantly adjust h/v hold/size because of arcade cores is a bitch

Definitely beats doing it in a service menu every time at least

[timber condor]

We wouldn’t know, best to ask on the Jotego server. But I assume it won’t be available for a long time,

[drifting smelt]

all he's said on patreon is that it's one of the two big projects he's focusing on the rest of the year, along with a konami board

and that it's unclear what platforms will actually be able to run it at this stage

[runic hound]

Sounds like it will be analogue exclusive

[silent plank]

We might not know until it is further along in development. But cps3 has many different rams. The core might hit the same bandwidth issues with mister as the never finished midway core.

[lone girder]

Is that why we've never seen NBA Jam or MK 1&2?

[silent plank]

The developer of the midway core mentioned he could not get all the different rams fast enough on mister even with dual sdram. He did it for the pocket as it has a different memory architecture better suited for that.

[lone girder]

Ah. Wonder if there's any workaround

[silent plank]

Maybe on a future mister 2. More internal Bram and faster sdram might do the trick.

[timber condor]

I would let another developer take a crack at it first to evaluate what is possible or not possible on the MiSTer.

Jotego would know much more with his arcade experience. Any of the official MiSTer devs would also know more as they’ve pushed the hardware way past what anyone thought was possible.

[thorn cosmos]

would be huge if lets say the first devs to look at the midway core would be liars

[lone girder]

I know 3DO was once deemed impossible due to something with its ram but it seems srg320 has found a workaround

[timber condor]

They aren’t liars, I believe them and they are skilled. But programmers have different approaches to solving problems and sometimes it takes a different perspective to figure out the problem at hand.

[thorn cosmos]

i vaguely remembered hearing about a developer with conflicting interests saying a mister core or something was unfeasible and I though this was it but I was probably wrong... Might have misremembered the whole thing too, so I'm sorry about that.

[carmine anvil]

Cps3 on the roadmap for fpga this year? The dreaaaaaaaaaaam.

I hope it can be fit on mister. Make it happen even if we have to cut out chun li

[timber condor]

You didn’t misremember, you are correct. I am just trying to avoid that conversation.

[plucky otter]

Jotego has plans on working on CPS3, which was mentioned last patreon post

But I'm happy to see that he is tackling konami arcade

[untold mortar]

I asked for the Battletoads core.
Waiting for a possible reply.

[cosmic vault]

Poor 3DO

[untold mortar]

srg320 was rather lengthy in his explanations this time.
Some parts are private and will remain so.

For the general public and testers here, work on the** Battetoads core** is suspended until further notice, and he can no longer work on it with the current situation.

I wish him to stay safe and away from any major hassle. From all the people who have used his work for years: thank you for everything he has already done.

[cosmic vault]

fucking russia

[glacial moat]

I did not expect a 3DO update on the fighting game channel

[cosmic vault]

it's not - it's battletoads

[glacial moat]

OOOH

ok

I could understand, its an awful lot of work for a single arcade core

[untold mortar]

He tried to take a look inside the MAME code, but it wasn't the solution.

It made the solution... worse.

[glacial moat]

I forgot Battletoads was being looked into

[desert plover]

@frozen pelican was looking at improvements to Battle Toads awhile back

[frozen pelican]

all I did was make it load via mras

[plucky otter]

This is a huge improvement

PR wen

[upper wigeon]

he had plans 3 years ago when i first donated to his patreon

[silent plank]

But now it's a race! Coinop collection is also working on it so that gives extra motivation.

[upper wigeon]

good i like to hear that

so was mk officially canned and moved to “mars fpga” or whatever my

and did mars fizzle out?

i bought a second ram stick for mk and they pulled it last minute

i love these fpga guys and what they accomplish but sometimes they handle things poorly

[silent plank]

Yeah, MK was canned, couldn't get over the memory bandwidth issues. I also got my dual ram because of them. That's why I am not entirely convinced cps3 is possible on mister. Both Jotego and Coinop collection have mentioned cps3 might not fit. Hopefully next gen boards are on the way. Mars seems dead or on hold. But we should still see new boards, from Terasic, Taki or whatever Jotego is using now.

[stark tartan]

I know there are new dev boards being looked at as a base for new MiSTer hardware.

While I think there is general agreement that it should be designed off of another Terasic Altera-based development board, I really believe it should be a collaborative decision with significant input by clone manufacturers (ie. Retro Remake, Heber, etc.). That way we’re not fighting between a bunch of incompatible FPGA boards.

[frozen pelican]

I mean, the 'MiSTer' project is Sorg's, whatever successor to that comes about (if any) is what he does

if other people develop a board and port all of the mister stuff to it, that's an entirely separate effort. they'll have to go through the pain of the porting and attracting core developers

[glacial moat]

yeah, that's my understanding, anyone can port whatever core to another board, its just no longer MiSTer

[cosmic vault]

I think this is the fundamental misunderstanding at the core of all this mister 2 shit. It doesn't matter if taki is sending out a board, if the MARS comes out, or if we all jump on the tang train - Mister 2 is whatever sorg says Mister 2 is.

I think also folks just use Mister 2 as shorthand for the next thing. When analogue premiered openFPGA, did folks call that mister 2?

[glacial moat]

even if 3+ boards magically appear, most folk should hold out for awhile

if your board production dries up within a year, then support is pretty much dead in the water

[thorn cosmos]

MI2TER FunPGA

[oblique basin]

[kindred panther]

Street Fighter Alpha 1 and 2 needs a 3 punch and 3 kick input entries. The home consoles ports had them. Is there anything on Alpha 3 that would still require those inputs?

[glacial moat]

Is it on the Arcade release?

[kindred panther]

People playing with gamepads: 😠

No.

[silent plank]

You mean assign one button to 3 punches or 3 kicks? I dont think the arcade releases have that as an option.

[topaz prairie]

None of the cps2 games “need” macro buttons

[silent plank]

Oh, you don´t need to in sfa3, as the max super combo level uses only one button pressed instead of the 3 needed previously. Just realized playing on gamepad would be a nightmare to hit 3 buttons pressed.

[kindred panther]

Play alpha 2 on the PS1 core is better than using the CPS2 core then.

On Alpha 3 I meant other inputs, like Dhalsim's teleports or Zangief's Lariats. Those can be done with 2 buttons or still needs 3?

[glacial moat]

If you have a controller with macros, that's probably your best bet

Adding macros to CPS2 would most likely cause a stir

[silent plank]

Regular moves still use 3 buttons, like zangief lariats.

[glacial moat]

Since MiSTers are used in competitive scenes and EVO, best to keep any features like that out of the core

[kindred panther]

Fair enough.

Is it possible to craft an MRA for myself with those inputs?

[frozen pelican]

not putting features in a core due to 'competitve scenes' is a losing proposition

it's not up to developers of cores to make their stuff compeititon compliant, especially when the rules are not consistent. that's a TOs job

[glacial moat]

I agree, but there's always people who will automatically just dismiss something due to one minor difference

[frozen pelican]

you're not going to win with those people anyways

core already has pause, you lost

[glacial moat]

damn, nevermind then lol

@kindred panther macros are back on the table, I wish you good luck

[topaz prairie]

You can use the alternate button mappings to do 2 button macros but the Ui is very unintuitive

(Also basically everyone that TOs on Mister actively removes the pause button from the mappings)

[proud knoll]

I figured a macro like 3 buttons was just not supported or really integrated into MiSTer at all. Wouldn't that be like a system wide change ?

[topaz prairie]

It’s a by core thing. The NeoGeo core has an ABC macro

[sick yew]

is there any way do a 1g1r setup for the arcade cores

by default i mean without going through to sort after

[cosmic vault]

The arcade category is a little weird for 1g1r. It's more of a 5g1r situation. What are you looking to accomplish?

[sick yew]

mainly just to only show 1 "main" listing per game

[untold mortar]

I've done that on my systems, by hand.

But you can't use the Update_All script as it partially erases your changes.

[sick yew]

yea that's what i was asking, is there a way without going through it manually

i'm mainly just trying to tidy up the menus

[frozen pelican]

the main arcade folder is mostly 'main' games, with all the others in _alternative. problem is core devs get to determine what 'main game' is, so you get some cracked out choices where some are JP region, some are EU etc

[sick yew]

yea but some games are (set 1) (set 2) (set 3) etc

[cosmic vault]

So CPS 2 games are 384x224, which is 2:1, but they are made for 4:3 screens. On my morph, it shows it in widescreen (interger scaled). Is that correct? 2:1 is the AR the core is pumping out, but it feels stretched...