Arcades - Shooting Cores

[mossy bone]

so i went on update all and update JT cores

didnt do anything

my latest JT core too is without YC support

any idea what i can do ?

[mossy bone]

ended up figuring the mystery

i had to add vga_mode = svideo

no switch like the one MikeS configured himself

[lyric bolt]

https://youtu.be/I_lxI0XujIs

[steel ledge]

I think it's a real shame that Japanese developers in general still prefer to develop for consoles and things like this.

So, apparently you have to send this thing in if you want to update the firmware or whatever and I came across this post:

'Anyone have an issue where a game appears fine on the game selection screen but picking it eventually returns you to game selection instead of loading the game? I already sent support an email, but figure I'll ask in case anyone else ran into this. It's the first time I'm trying to run my exA after getting it back from the last round of updates :('

Sounds like a dreadful user experience with too much down time if this is actually the case. I don't get the appeal, but I am curious about the specs, especially after coming across this:

'Comparable in power to the Playstation 4 Pro or Xbox One X game consoles.'

https://primetimeamusements.com/exa-arcadia-all-you-need-to-know/

If anyone actually bought one of these, do tell. This has me morbidly curious.

[fair ether]

the exa seems like a sad user experience, but I thought it kind of is in the arena of competing with all that arcade hardware that's subscription based, offering an alternative where you can just pay once (like the old days)

[steel ledge]

Okay, I have no idea as to how things are arranged in arcades, since I haven't been to a proper one for probably a decade now.

There are people who actually bought these things for private use from what I can see.

[fair ether]

yeah there's definitely private buyers of the EXA but I think they sell to operators as well

[native nimbus]

Yeah there’s a local operator by me that has two exa machines

It’s actually a good idea overall, particularly not having to deal with internet connections and revenue sharing

For private use it seems fine too, but you are paying arcade board price tags

[vestal wagon]

I'm glad exa employs people I know and lets them do stuff they enjoy, but 'arcade board price tags' are way too high for a bunch of arrange modes of 20 year old games

[native nimbus]

Then don’t buy one

[random flame]

they seem really cool, the only thing that worries me is apparently if the CMOS battery dies the system becomes unbootable, which is fine if it happens now while the company is still operating in its present form and you can just send your box back to get it fixed, but obviously that becomes a future preservation concern

otherwise yeah, I love the idea that people are out there making classic arcade style hardware, even if in reality its just a PC with some DRM baked into it...

[steel ledge]

I have mostly been playing on PC this past decade, so I already take a dim view to modern consoles for how closed they are.

[native nimbus]

Where’d you hear about the cmos thing? Google is failing me

[random flame]

https://youtu.be/I_lxI0XujIs

I now realise that was already linked above…

[native nimbus]

I like the comment from the actual arcade operator

[sage kayak]

I'm not completely new to shooters but I'm not particularly good so far so I liked this idea of a guide for 1cc completion for beginners. Though i don't think it has a lot of older games on it yet https://youtu.be/uaA_6tjLGso

[obtuse lily]

For the arcade cores when assigning buttons does it ask you to input the buttons from left to right as they would appear by default in an arcade or do I need to check them individually somewhere?

[lyric bolt]

it should prompt you for which button is being assigned in each core when you map controls

[vestal wagon]

however, they are not guaranteed to be in any sort of order (left to right) or otherwise

so if you don't just know which button is which in the original arcade then you'll need to check elsewhere

[obtuse lily]

I assumed as much. I just noticed that they were in order for a few I happened to remember what the order was and thought maybe there was some kind of standardisation.

[steel ledge]

Arcade button layouts vary quite a bit though. Sometimes the stick is even on the right side.

[obtuse lily]

That was due to people building custom cabs or converting old cabs though right? I think every manufacturer had a recommended default set-up. The stick being on the left or right is not something I care about personally.

[steel ledge]

No, I think some games are just designed around the control scheme.

For example, there was a recent video someone posted here about Buriki One.

The buttons on the left are primarily used for movement.

Then you have the twin stick games.

Since I wasn't raised in an arcade like some people, I've been looking up the button layouts and mapping accordingly on my fight stick to get things as close as possible.

[steady gulch]

@steel ledge Yep pre-Jamma era games the control layouts varied and were often custom depending on the # of buttons. Some cabinets had two sets of player controls, others just one. Scramble/Super Cobra cabinets had one joystick, but two sets of buttons so you could play left/right handed.

[steel ledge]

That's very considerate.

[tired cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gma2p6nncI

First I've heard of this one

[reef scroll]

Hey all- I'm having a hard time getting Section Z to work on my HDCRT... Got it working fine on flatpanel LEDs etc but not CRT. Can someone please advise? Been looking around online for the solution and can't figure it out. Please let me know if I should post this question elsewhere. Thank you!!

[zealous sapphire]

https://ko-fi.com/i/IR6R7KUID6

[frigid torrent]

arcade boards are an even worse user experience!

[steel ledge]

Having experienced neither, I'm going to believe you!

[frigid torrent]

Some of us have whole arcade cabinets in our homes!

[rustic radish]

I have real arcade cabinets in my house too, all from arcade1up

[tired cairn]

Those dont count

[tired cairn]

Konami sound module replacements, not even once

[rustic radish]

Yes they do, I don't see a "arcade officiator" label on your jacket

[tired cairn]

Does it have a flatscreen monitor in it?

y/n

y - doesnt count

[rustic radish]

Ok I can't continue this joke, I give up

[tired cairn]

What I said was very incorrect though, surprised you didnt pounce on that

lol

[rustic radish]

Oh no, I saw it and I realized what I was getting myself into

like we were going to go two layers deep

[tired cairn]

A "Layer Section" if you will

revenge of the nerds laugh

[rustic radish]

lol

I do own three arcade1up cabs and they make me happy, I got one of them for only $50 cause Walmart was liquidating it

I think I own too many though

BUT, when you're interviewing for a game design position they look authentic in the background and that's like IMMEDIATE nerd points

[tired cairn]

I had a modular cab that served me well, but Im just an old hasbeen anyway I dont own shit

[tired cairn]

ooh

[rustic radish]

all that to say I regret it but it ended up helping me I guess lol

I wish I had a real arcade cabinet

but after owning the arcade1ups in all their fisher price flimsy glory I realized that life isn't for me

so I just need a friend who has an arcade cabinet lol

[rustic radish]

Yeah man that's cool as hell

omg I had that little mario trophy as a kid

[tired cairn]

Yeah, its weirdly violent, like.. the troopa's neck is broken

Nice pull out drawers. One 6 button for Street Fighter/Capcom fighters, one MK3 one with run button for MK games

Power switch in the drawer, molex power connector jack in the back

[rustic radish]

Ah wow, really awesome, I love seeing that stuff

[tired cairn]

Cab was only $250 (Only! x.x)

[solemn plank]

I miss when arcades were still common.

[tired cairn]

Sometimes a supergun is better though

Then use this little combination, to play VS Castlevania with an NES controller

[native nimbus]

Man I wish I could cram a couple cabs in my house

[gray gyro]

Arcades are fun, really sinks into your bank account though 🤣

https://twitter.com/hyp36rmax/status/1605944089517559808?s=20

F. Eiji Marinas (@hyp36rmax)

My humble #arcade

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F. Eiji Marinas (@hyp36rmax)

IREM M92 on and SNK SC19, Capcom MiniCute #MiSTerFPGA #MisterCade #Arcade @wickerwaka

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[steel ledge]

I turn up here in 2021 and it seems that everyone and their grandmother has a cabinet. Essentially unheard of up until that point. I think I will always fall into the normie camp though. One consumer CRT is probably the most that I'll ever be able to accommodate.

[gray gyro]

it's really not that many people, it's a small niche community. pandemic priced out many folks looking to jump in.

what really drew arcade folks into mister was Mistercade and CPS2 Core

[steel ledge]

Well, price is one thing. Space is another.

[steady gulch]

Arcade collecting community has been going strong since the 90s

everything used to so damn cheap in early 2000s. I remember buying a SF2 board for $30

they were so common people just used them as a test pattern generator

prices starting climbing around ten years ago, and I thought were getting bad 5 years ago. But post-Covid holy crap has everything shot up in $$

[gray gyro]

I jumped in during Covid with a Vewlix, Capcom Mini Cute, Neo Geo SC19, Taito Egret II and the more common New Astro City and Blast City. I've heard stories all those were around the $500-$1500. People practically gave them away. Now they are upwards of $2000-$5000

Three of those (Mini Cute, SC19, and Egret II) is the price of a Car or Down payment towards a house in some parts of the US haha

[native nimbus]

Mr. Do, SF2 Hyper Fighting, and a candy cab, that's the lineup for me. And Centipede for my wife I suppose

one day

[steady gulch]

Mortal Kombat 2, DK Jr w/ DK, Jr, DK3 on switcher, Eyes, Scramble, Neo Geo 2 Slot, Tempest, Joust, Nintendo Red Tent is my current line-up

Used to have a Blast City but I sold it

Still need a good horizontal cab, would like a Jungle King

MK2 is a beast, would like to sell it but might have to chainsaw it in half to get it out of the basement 😆

[gray gyro]

MORTAL KOMBAT! I went all out with this collection haha. Got a Sega Panel for candy cabs.

[native nimbus]

I'd also grab an exa, in all honesty, though literally any of these would require me to have more spending money than I do at the moment

who knew that daycare was expensive, who knew

[gray gyro]

Same, i'd grab an EXA for shmups

[native nimbus]

for sure

it's got a good lineup there

Sam Sho V Perfect also has appeal, I love that game a lot

[frigid torrent]

my plan is to get an exa before i need to do daycare

[native nimbus]

I'm kind of hoping my book sales will help make up the difference

[limber comet]

If you use the UK (or World) ROM for Nemesis, instead of the US one, it’s much less shocking. There are still differences, e.g. the volcano erupts for a much shorter time, but there’s none of this “overload of upgrades when you die” nonsense.

See https://tcrf.net/Nemesis_(Arcade): the only things that affect gameplay in nemesisuk are the starting lives and game flow, and those are quite minor.

[lyric bolt]

https://youtu.be/iusmjcaYbus

[fringe mural]

good game

the scoring's a bit nuts but it's cool

[steel ledge]

So, I didn't know this until today as I haven't been interested in STGs until recently. There are high level players who use save states to practise.

[karmic shadow]

https://vxtwitter.com/Darren__O/status/1660278271429468161?t=qriQ6FkBku-ohznym11r2w&s=19

[frigid torrent]

Neither Dodonpachi nor ESPrade currently boot for me, up to date cores and the correct ROMs. Any tips?

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=3763

[solemn plank]

Dodonpachi works for me but the audio is choppy as hell.

[frigid torrent]

Main issue seems to be if it is in a folder or not. Weird

[flint rover]

Anyone know what the difficulty dip switch settings mean for Same! Same! Same! / Fire Shark? The default seems to be set to "B", but there are also A, C, and D settings. Is "B" normal? Does that mean A is easy and C and D are hard and very hard?

[tired cairn]

https://twitter.com/shmupdb/status/1663288006965428224

Shmup STG Clips 👾 (@shmupdb)

Darius II

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[uneven token]

Man I destroyed that game

Love it so much

[tired cairn]

https://youtu.be/KCzhLbLheFE

https://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=571

I can dream.

[tired cairn]

https://twitter.com/shmupdb/status/1670546116545314817

Shmup STG Clips 👾 (@shmupdb)

Flying Shark Hi Sho Zame

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[cursive lark]

Read somwhere bout Batsugun being in development?...but cant find anything...Wishfull thinking?

[solar harness]

for some reason, I tried the cave 68000 core now and it works perfectly on my analog IO through rgb

I dont know what new updates happened but it works great

dont even have to change it to 60hz

[near sandal]

Wonder boy in monster land core not working. I think there is a bug in the latest update of the sega system 2 core.

[zealous sapphire]

Wonder boy in monster land is not supported on official core of Sega System 1

You need to use the core of blackwine (System 1 & 2)

[flint rover]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-head-bang-nodding-gif-19211987

[warped hare]

Does anyone else get scratchy/crackly sound in the Raizing games (Batrider, Batsugun, Bakraid)?

[uneven token]

batsugun?

thats on mister?

[vestal wagon]

it's not

[uneven token]

ok wanted to make sure

[warped hare]

Oh sorry, batrider/bakraid and garrega

I thought it was weird they all started with B.

[weak granite]

I have some trouble getting sound working with DoDonPachi when enabling direct video. When using scandoubler only sound seems to work perfectly but when enabling direct video I get zero audio, while working in other cores. DoDonPachi is just one core I don't get sound when enabling direct video while for example 19## core all work perfectly.

[warped hare]

I get sound in that core using direct video.

[weak granite]

Seems to be core dependent, none of the DoDonPachi cores has sound, but all of the 19xx cores have.

And I'm not sure, but I think possibly I can make out some distorted audio very faintly from the speakers.

It's connected through a JVS expander. I will try to connect directly with the Mister to the audio to see if that make a difference.

[warped hare]

I'm using a JAMMA expander (both irkenlabs, unless I'm mistaken?). I'd be surprised if that was the problem, though I am regularly surprised. =/

[cursive lark]

Any update on the IGS PGM dev?

[flint rover]

I thought Jotego was the one that was going to work on that? But Capcom CPS3 won a vote from his patreon to do that first. Unless I'm misremembering it. I assume he will work on that after CPS3.

[vestal wagon]

assuming he works on cps3. I'm not sure what approach he decided on regarding all the custom chips

[random flame]

Damn, as cool as SF3 and JoJo are, I would much rather play the more interesting games on PGM

All in good time I hope

[flint rover]

Same. PGM has some excellent Cave games.

[native nimbus]

I think his approach at the moment is “set that aside and work on neo geo pocket for now”

[dense locust]

This!

[tired cairn]

Could play an actual version of KOF98UM, if PGM2 was ever supported

[native nimbus]

Dunno if pgm2 is doable, but pgm1 should be

[tired cairn]

Seems like as good an excuse as any to look up the specs

Custom CPU and graphics chip I guess. Not exactly clear what they are based on. 68000 I'd guess but I dont know.

[valid folio]

aw yeah

[steel ledge]

JB sells those? The website doesn't list anything at the moment.

[valid folio]

where you based?

[steel ledge]

Australia. Maybe it was just the way it looked on mobile before, but I see listings now. Just all sold out.

[karmic grove]

Do the Dangun Feveron/DonPachi/DoDonPachi cores support YC output? They’re the only games I play that don’t seem to output in color on my CRT TV - just trying to see if it’s something on my end or an expected limitation for now

[tired cairn]

Not all cores support CVBS/SVHS output currently, it is an ongoing project requiring manual changes to every affected core. This can be bypassed with a retrocastle VGA to CVBS/SVHS adapter which is a simple transcoder, and will work with any 15khz output from the Analog I/O. The caveat is that this method produces slightly less optimal picture quality.

[karmic grove]

gotcha, thanks for the info

[plush sluice]

Heey any idea of what's missing to have Gi Joe Arcade working ?

[versed ocean]

Easiest way to remedy this is to download the YC Arcade cores (think you can do this as a toggle in update all and puts it as a separate menu item) then select one of those games from the YC arcade menu, open up the OSD, and change the output to YC

[karmic grove]

Ok cool I’ll try that out later, thanks

[jaunty flower]

Any plans for a strikers 1945 core?

[cursive lark]

Psikyo SH2/gen1 cores would be awesome...doubt any1 is working on it tho :/

[tired cairn]

Id love to see more arcade shmups on MiSTer

Daraku Tenshi would be a nice bonus for such a core as well, though not a shmup :)

[hot slate]

Jotego had a Gunbird 2 PCB on his shelf in pic on his patreon a while ago, along with a bunch of other stuff. Doesn't mean he's gonna work on it though. One can hope.

[random flame]

Hah, looks like TGM2 is on the same board, there’s no doubt a small subset of people out there that will go bonkers for that on MiSTer

[hot slate]

Yeah it's a good board with a lot of bangers.

[vestal wagon]

psikyo SH2 schematics were extracted, but that board is basically an SH2 + a custom chip. shelved until they can reverse engineer the custom chip

[random flame]

obviously you are of course referring to all the mahjong games and not the psikyo shooters

[hot slate]

Well I play mahjong for a living...

[random flame]

no way, that's actually rad! I'll know who to ask for pointers next time I'm trying to beat the minigame in Yakuza/LaD 😆

[vestal wagon]

hmm, appears one of the other reasons he couldn't continue is his GB2 is on loan and he couldn't break it

[hot slate]

Gunbird 2 isn't crazy for a pcb, like $350 last i looked.

[vestal wagon]

I'm pretty sure I have one in the pile

[hot slate]

same

[hot slate]

Looks like Raki is working on a Salamander for his Gx400 core, Hell Yeah!

イカビク
@RCAVictorCo
cycle-accurate YM2151코어랑 68000, Z80, 검증된 GX400 비디오 보드 코어에 기판 2장까지 집에 있는데 올해 내로 코어 완성 못하면 내가 인간이지 오징어 아니다리
Translated from Korean by
cycle-accurate YM2151 core, 68000, Z80, proven GX400 video board core, and up to 2 boards at home.

[rustic radish]

This is the GitHub the previous post mentions - https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Arcade-Salamander_MiSTer

[tired cairn]

Awesome!

[native nimbus]

Wish Gradius would finish up and head to main

[amber arch]

any updates or news on the CORE core?

[inner island]

It seems fine other than YC support from what I’ve played

[hot slate]

Jotego released his first game, The Final Round, for his Konami Twin 16 core. Hopefully Gradius II will come out for it soon.

[inner island]

SHOOT THE CORE

[jaunty flower]

Did the raiden cores ever get released?

[inner island]

I didn’t even know they were being worked on

[jaunty flower]

Atrac had them in the pipeline

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=6476

[flint rover]

If they did, they were never publically released and included in update_all. At least we have the PS1 ports of Raiden 1 and 2, which are very good.

[warped hare]

He's posted very recently about the chips for Raiden, showing a photo of several customs removed from the PCBs.

[native nimbus]

with the Nemesis core, is there an MRA file floating around for one of the Gradius versions that works with it?

much prefer the difficulty curve for Gradius vs Nemesis

[tired cairn]

Been trying to find one, and I can only seem to find the two MRAs. Odd.. doesnt seem like it would be terribly hard to make ones for Gradius though considering the merged romset has a subfolder with the needed files

Near as I can tell the core was abandoned while it was still in beta so.. I dunno

[vestal wagon]

the roms aren't interchangeable, gradius has a bigger cpu rom than nemesis

[tired cairn]

Well, there you go. Bummer.

[vestal wagon]

and without the source to the core, there's no way to know if it is capable of handling it

hopefully the incoming Salamander core can also do gradius

[tired cairn]

Incoming? Huh. Must be Ace's

[vestal wagon]

nope. RCAVictorCo/ika-musume

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Arcade-Salamander_MiSTer

weird, I thought their psychic5 core had been put into the official repos but I guess not?

[random flame]

weird, I didn't realize the Nemesis core was literally just an rbf drop, but there you go

hopefully they will release the source eventually

[tired cairn]

Well, theres an obscure Jaleco game. Neat. I'll be downloading that core

Im.. fairly sure this had a Famicom semi/spiritual sequel

[vestal wagon]

<skeleton_at_computer_meme.png>

[tired cairn]

Huh, neat little core. I like it's manual H/V refresh rate adjustment option

[unreal marsh]

I wonder why they are keeping them closed? Not like you can really profit off this stuff other than using patreon or somesuch

[native nimbus]

fingers crossed

I know Konami's hardware is super weird but I'd imagine there's at least most of the same components

[jaunty flower]

Are the Cave shmups doable with the de-10's specs?

[vestal wagon]

which ones?

[jaunty flower]

Later stuff like Mushihimesama

[vestal wagon]

I dunno. maybe. it would really depend on the details of how they use memory and if it is very high bandwidth

that and the fact there's no available sh3 cpu out there. oh and the fact the boards have an fpga on them that handles some of the video operations

[jaunty flower]

Oh man, didn't even know things were that complex

Are all of the dodonpachi variations currently available?

[vestal wagon]

just dodonpachi

[jaunty flower]

Does the hardware vary that much between the different versions?

[vestal wagon]

oh, and donpachi

[jaunty flower]

No wonder people are paying 6 grand for muchi muchi pork boards lmao

[vestal wagon]

yes, DOJ is on effectively PGM hardware, and everything else after that is on cv1k, which is the above referenced hardware

[jaunty flower]

Ah, gotcha

[native nimbus]

Pgm is probably doable

[vestal wagon]

yeah, I expect that at some point

and then you will all experinence the glory of ddp2

[native nimbus]

Without going to galloping ghost

[jaunty flower]

A bit of a flight for me

[strange wren]

I remember when you could finally emulate ddp2, that was fun. I look forward to PGM support one day with ketsui and ddp2. And some martial masters

[mortal python]

I've been hooked on Espgaluda lately and have been checking for PGM core way too often

[south prism]

which arcade darius games can you play on mister?

[warped fable]

Right now I think the closest you're going to get are the home ports (e.g. G-Darius on PS1)

[tired cairn]

Darius 2 on the saturn core. The recent Megadrive port of Darius 1 is extremely close to the arcade as well, sans 3 screens

[random flame]

I really like the Mega Drive port of Darius, they added an easy mode and continues and stuff so you can just pleb your way through

looks and sounds really nice too

[lyric bolt]

its great. the ar seems anamorphic also and as a result it works very well in 16x9 fullscreen: https://youtu.be/0SGoUOMGOGo?si=HygqTb68BiBSvA4w

[native nimbus]

Darius 1 core, I don’t even know how you’d make it work

I guess however X men inevitably does it

[flint rover]

I assume the same way the Darius arcade collection on consoles does it. Simple include the full resolution of the game with black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. Also the same way any of the current arcade cores handle it for non standard resolutions.

This is how it's done on Switch:

[native nimbus]

maybe

I will say the 2 screen Darius II would be a fun one to do the analog+digital out trick that the game boy 2p cores do

[tired cairn]

Just uploaded a "hack" I finished that adds arranged music to the Saturn version of Darius 2. I cant link to ROMs here but there is a link in my discord profile to where it can be found.

[jaunty flower]

Wonder how the DDP core fares in this comparison. Didn’t know how terrible everything was aside from the original in MAME. https://youtu.be/1jURSk4JVIQ?si=qtg1kB8Vm0WKIq5A

Bees not giving meter in Ps1 or Saturn port.

[tired cairn]

DDP core seems to be pretty good in general despite some small sound issues

[jaunty flower]

Wonder if anyone has done a side by side

[mortal python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6vFuRVPgHE&t=1492s

Mark did a great review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEsi_Ncdjs

Don't forget to checkout the trainer too: https://github.com/originalgrego/ddonpachj-trainer

[jaunty flower]

I was just watching this one last night. Didn’t realize he had that up until after I sent the message lol.

His spreadsheet of input latency has been a good reference

[tired cairn]

Ah, good info thanks for linking those

[jaunty flower]

https://youtu.be/uqd1a0xJuoQ?si=b_lbMHBVRAKo1pKr

In case anyone plays on steam deck or pc

[strange wren]

Ooh, nice

[minor wagon]

If anyone comes here looking solution to an issue where Battle Garegga and Battle Bakraid fail to start with ROM#0 Bad ~90% of the time:
Try unplugging several USB devices before loading the game... I tried a lot of other things, but this was what fixed the issue on my end.

I'm guessing it's the 2A power supply not being able to handle the power draw while loading the ROM, but not 100% sure.

[rustic radish]

I only have a WiFi usb accessory plugged-in, I’m using a Meanwell 20w 5v 4a power supply, and my ram runs without fail at 148Mhz.

Every other core works perfectly for me. The issue is with the core’s programming, not hardware.

But either way I appreciate your optimistic post @minor wagon and I’m glad you found a workaround to circumvent the core’s deficiencies.

[minor wagon]

Anyone know why the Github repo for the Raizing cores isn't up anymore?
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Arcade-Raizing_MiSTer 404s

[tired cairn]

Oh, does that mean they dont come down on update all anymore?

[rustic radish]

https://github.com/psomashekar/Raizing_FPGA

[strange wren]

I'm guessing the cores are moving to coinop collection, but I think that's available in update_all right?

also as far as I can tell the cores weren't updated with fixes or anything, it's just restructuring

[jaunty flower]

Since we have some cave gen 1 games already done is esp rade possible?

Oh wait, nullobject did it already. Totally missed that.

Dang, now I got something to play tonight.

[jaunty flower]

Is PGM2 much more advanced tha PGM1?

[zealous sapphire]

yes
For CPU part PGM is a 68000 PGM2 is ARM cpu named (IGS036)

[jaunty flower]

Looks like it varies too, I guess.

[zealous sapphire]

PGM1 is 20Mhz (68K)
PGM2 is 100Mhz (IGS036) according to Mame

so it is huge difference just for CPU part

[tired cairn]

Alas. But I wouldn't complain at all about a core that ran Demon Front ^_^

[slate hill]

Excellent game. Metal Slug-level graphics and a very enjoyable run and gunner

[zealous sapphire]

https://x.com/LmnSama/status/1709877544496062826?s=20

Lemon San (@LmnSama)

Not Dead... (yet) ;)
Happy to announce the
RC.1 of Nemesis #MiSTerFPGA core (source included!)
Corrected audio and updated to latest framework.
it should sound great now.
Enable unofficial in Update-all or download manually here:
https://t.co/RQov3wxniK

Twitter · Oct 5, 2023, 10:25 AM

[rustic radish]

Well that’s exciting! Shame it’s not part of the official repository.

[zealous sapphire]

yes ... but we cannot force people
and it is great the souce is opened now and the project could be taking by another person if the dev not working anymore on it

[tired cairn]

Ooooh

Oh it was updated 3 days ago, I didnt even see

It sounds great!

[inner island]

Woke up to an email from GitHub saying that was updated. Hooray!

[rustic radish]

That’s a weird alarm clock.

[inner island]

If they’d push more updates out to Konami shooters maybe I wouldn’t be late to work every day.

[gilded vigil]

Can’t remember if I ever asked this…but do you think later Cave games like Muchi Muchi Pork and Pink Sweets could ever see a core on MiSTer?

[random flame]

if those are CV1000 games then the answer is "probably not"

IIRC that hardware itself uses an FPGA for video

and a SH3 CPU at too high a clock speed

#saturn-chat message

[rustic radish]

Sir, this is a MiSTer FPGA retro game discord. Not a restaurant.

[hexed girder]

Is the phelios core being developed by someone?

[tired cairn]

I dont think there is a core for that Namco system currently

But Id love one

[hexed girder]

Me too, I played it back in the day 🙂

[ashen dust]

Is that on the same board as Splatterhouse that Jotego is developing?

Hmmm, I guess not

I guess Phelios is system 2

[lyric bolt]

Not arcade, but we're playing a shooting game in the current #game-challenge if anyone's interested!
Zanac Neo by Compile, on PS1

[native nimbus]

we'll get Dragon Spirit and Galaga 88 out of it at least

[ashen dust]

Both fun games.

[limber comet]

If you play the World version, sometimes also know as UK, it’s much closer to Gradius. See details here: https://tcrf.net/Nemesis_(Arcade)

[flint rover]

So what arcade cores actually have light gun support?

I've been trying to google it, and can't seem to find any sort of list.

[waxen ember]

I don’t think there are any light gun arcade cores. Would be nice if there was though. I’d love an operation wolf core.

[flint rover]

Update to the Cave core? Can someone explain in english what those changes actually do? 😅

[vestal wagon]

mostly changes so composite/svideo work

[sudden schooner]

It made it so the Cave core now works on my moody Philips CRT which I am using for a tate display via component.

I'm wondering why a similar fix isn't used for all the cores that have sync issues on some crts?

[jaunty flower]

Will the core now work with direct video?

[vestal wagon]

because there's no singular 'sync issue'. a variety of things can cause it and in this case it was maybe one or two particular things

[lyric bolt]

We're currently playing Einhänder on PS1 for a #game-challenge if any shooter fans are interested. Single credit score challenge on normal difficulty

[frigid torrent]

yes, I would really like this; PS2 only version is a bit fiddlesome

[true spade]

I’m getting some weird graphical corruption followed by slowdown on the “In the hunt” arcade core. Is this a known issue?

By slowdown, I mean like really slow - 1fps

Ah, nevermind. The tried and tested power cycle did the job. (Odd that a cold reboot didn’t fix it. Oh well…)

[lethal spade]

Is Carnival by Sega considered a SHMUP? Because I would love the arcade core to be playable on the MiSTer, my father and mother used to play the Colecovision port back in the day, and I would like to check out the original arcade version.

[tired cairn]

https://youtu.be/GQ4SKHXcE-s?si=Ov8Jxb7WPDA3kxTr

[random halo]

I have a WIP core that includes Carnival but it's not quite done and life got in the way 🫤. Carnival itself is the most finished game on the core though so maybe I'll try and find some time this holiday to just tidy it up and get at least that game out!

[lethal spade]

Awesome, maybe my mother and father can enjoy it, if they want. They aren't really much gamers anymore though

[lyric bolt]

Playing Galaga '88/'90 for the current #game-challenge for anyone interested. Love this one- such a great evolution of the original

[heavy river]

How have I never played Gorf before?

What a weird little mashup of games.

[ashen dust]

Yeah I only discovered it about 10 years ago and now I love it. Such a fun greatest hits type of game

[heavy river]

I have a soft spot for games that let you damage pixels or individual voxels on an object.

That boss fight tickled the shit out of me.

[viscid blaze]

Anyone had any issues with Armed Police Batrider ? Everything else seems stable on my mister but this core seems to crash pretty consistently

• rom i should say, battle garegga works ok

[restive spade]

Tell us more

How do you recreate it?

[vestal wagon]

those cores sometimes seem oddly sensitive to sdram

[viscid blaze]

Yeah sorry, a little vague ... either just by adding credits > choosing 'select team' in the main menu it'll either show a stack dump (in the font of the rom) or reset back to the ram check

or just letting it sit there for a bit after loading the rom and it'll reset / show stack dump

So it's not a subtle crash, basically just by trying to play the game

[viscid blaze]

yeah fair enough. I did try an sdram test for what it's worth, and no issues, but I guess it's something more subtle than that

[rustic radish]

That core is problematic when it comes to SDRAM. We have lots of people come in and have problems with it even if their ram works perfectly fine. I’ve never been able to get the core to work reliably for myself.

I suggest filing a GitHub issue if you have the means.

[viscid blaze]

Ok thanks, will do

[autumn pine]

Hi folks can someone tell me what rbf does hotdog storm work with ? The last rbf it doesnt load for me thanks.

[restive spade]

I think the rbf is locked behind patreon

[vestal wagon]

the code is in the repo but there was never a release that contained it

it's also like 1.5 years behind on sys updates, but looking at the template repo I think the only relevant changes there would be YC stuff

and mike put a pull request in for it a few months ago

[rustic radish]

Who’s working on hot dog storm? Also why is it called hot dog storm?

lol this logo

Who puts lettuce in their hot dog??!

[unreal marsh]

Does it come down as part of update_all?

[unreal marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/hotdog-hotdog-gifs-sausage-gif-4404811

[rustic radish]

God that looks awful

lol

The game is cool tho

[flint rover]

Hotdog hotdog hotdiggity-dog!!

[autumn pine]

Nullobject was working on hotdog storm on his cave core.

[rustic radish]

there’s a joke in there somewhere lol

[cursive lark]

Any new on toaplan v2 and Batsugun? Yes i know I can run it on the saturn core.

[untold geyser]

I need Batsugun

[fervent spear]

Anyone think Namco NB-1 would be possible on MiSTer?
Never played Nebulas Ray, but it looks pretty darn cool🤩
And of course having Point Blank running would be amazing. PS1 version is of course a good alternative, but it’s just not quite the same😅

[forest bolt]

Not sure. It does use a 68EC020 @ 24.192MHz....

there are other cores that can handle a CPU like that but... it's all the other chips I'm unsure of

Sound CPU: Namco C75 (M37702 based 16-bit) @ 16.128 MHz
Sound chip: Namco C352 32 channel 42KHz stereo supported 8-bit linear and 8-bit muLaw PCM - 4 channel output
Secondary CPU's : C329 + C137
Custom Graphics Chips : GFX:123,145,156,C116 - Motion Objects:C355,187,C347
Sound CPU : C351
Control Chip : C160
Board composition : Additional "gun" interface board is used on shooting games (seen on 2nd PCB picture)```

[cunning harness]

Did the Cave Hotdog Storm core ever see a release? It seems to be stuck behind a patreon paywall in beta. Anyone have it? Is that correct?

[restive spade]

The code is open

The code can be compiled and you will be able to olay it

[steep trail]

Does anyone know if there's a place in internet where I can get the full Arcade Cabinet Arts to download ? I'd like to make to recreate some but in order to do so I need the original arts (controller panel art , marquee artwork , arcade cabinet sides art , arcade bezels etc)

[slender berry]

https://youtu.be/eyzJJGmGjsQ?si=ctAKyJHCRHUTKbUh. Do you guys think this mod is worth buying and do you think this works with MiSTer Arcade games if it has the PC mod.

[lyric bolt]

if it works as a pc directinput or xinput device should be good. Havent tried it personally though so YMMV!

[lyric bolt]

scratch that, may need a mod kit to work on other platforms as individual sticks? https://youtu.be/G0f0mZRiVBs?si=I1uGcNyg7cOhFSke

[slender berry]

Thanks! Did't stumble on this video myself. Now I need to find a affordable mod kit. 😄

[chrome swift]

https://x.com/RCAVictorCo/status/1825076885954683329

イカビク (@RCAVictorCo) on X

Salamander alpha core released. Check my patreon post.

Playable, no graphic glitch(maybe), but no sound.

Twitter · Aug 18, 2024, 7:46 AM

https://x.com/RCAVictorCo/status/1825080069158850737

イカビク (@RCAVictorCo) on X

Salamander core demo play(sound CPU should be implemented)

Twitter · Aug 18, 2024, 7:59 AM

[restive spade]

Good progress. Hope he is working with an updated framework

[unreal marsh]

What’s his patreon?

[true spade]

Exciting!

[chrome swift]

https://www.patreon.com/ikamusume

[unreal marsh]

Gracias

[candid rivet]

God I love shmups and MiSTer makes lovin' easy

[zealous sapphire]

https://fxtwitter.com/RCAVictorCo/status/1827674662803059178

[chrome swift]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/salamander-alpha-110749171

core is available on Patreon

[rustic radish]

Seems like it’s in a great state. Please join their Patreon if y’all can, otherwise it’ll show up on the official repo very soon. 🥳

[candid rivet]

Can't wait to salamand!

[flint rover]

Do we know if that core will also work with Life Force?

[zealous sapphire]

I think it is the goal see the subtitle of the repo
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Arcade-Salamander_MiSTer

[unreal marsh]

Yeah I just subbed when they announced the first alpha, had no idea they had a patreon though I’ve seen a ton of their various research posts.

[vestal wagon]

unfortunately they now have to reverse a video chip so it might be a while

[autumn pine]

Hey zakk hows Air Gallet coming along?

[crimson mason]

For Salamander? Yet another chip to unearth?

[vestal wagon]

https://x.com/RCAVictorCo/status/1828438990753800207

イカビク (@RCAVictorCo) on X

Salamander core NOTICE:

I received a report today from a software specialist who follows me, and there's an obvious bug in the sprite engine now.

The cause is in one of the custom chips, and I have to decap the working chip to fix it. It'll be a while before a full release.

Twitter · Aug 27, 2024, 2:26 PM

[crimson mason]

Gosh. That's bad news. But I guess that other games might profit from those findings. Which makes it good news somewhat.

[rustic radish]

Pretty damn cool experts like that come out of the woodwork and really help improve cores

[small rover]

Alpha 3 is out for Salamander.

[rough chasm]

🤔
Not to be a jerk, but I'm seeing JTFRAME's SDRAM controller in the source code for Salamander. I thought that was not allowed?

That aside, I am curious as to which of the sprite ICs is buggy.

[vestal wagon]

there are plenty of things that use jtX components in mister cores

[rough chasm]

I mean, I do use his fractional dividers and DC removal thing as a makeshift high-pass filter for audio, though I recall the SDRAM controller being a point of contention in the past.

[primal mesa]

I'm looking for more vertical shooters that were made for horizontal view. Mars Matrix, 1944, and Giga Wing are my current examples.

[candid rivet]

Those 3D ones for Saturn maybe

I forget the names.. lots of locking etc

Raystorm

[warped hare]

Any NeoGeo shooter will be for a hori screen, they didn't make any vert.

[candid rivet]

Sonic Wings 2

And 3

Why did I forget them

[primal mesa]

which ones are playable on MiSTer? I have several PS1 and Saturn games in my rotation but they are TATE ports.

RayStorm and RayCrisis are already in my list as well.

[golden pawn]

Soukyugurentai, Xevious 3D, Guardian Force, Radiant Silvergun, Night Raid, Stahlfeder, Time Bokan, Two Ten Kaku, Blast Wind.

[cyan ocean]

Twinbee Yahhoo is playable on the PSX (and possibly the Saturn) core. Another verizontal game.

[restive spade]

Nullobject patreon:

It's a public post

[rustic radish]

Glad the dude is being honest with himself and taking a step back. Also real considerate of him taking down his Patreon too. Good guy, hope he does well.

[sage kayak]

Good for him, his Cave cores are a wonderful addition to the mister library

[dawn moat]

What is dead can never die, friends

[flint rover]

I thought the Cave cores were finished?

[fair ether]

they're still kinda rough, last I checked dodonpachi has some sound sadness

[flint rover]

Interesting. Now if only we could get PGM!

[true spade]

Damn, that’s really cool of Jotego - especially not wanting to tread on nullobject’s toes with this.

[dawn moat]

Jotego seems like real good people

[vestal wagon]

oh, so we're just gonna randomly delete the one in the mister repo then?

[true spade]

I don’t see why we would. I guess if the Jotego revision ends up being an actual improvement, then people might drift towards that - but I guess they can coexist, right?

[vestal wagon]

not without confusion

[true spade]

Clearly Jotego feels he can add some benefit, and it’s his prerogative as to whether he’d rather fork or contribute to the existing repo. Given his usual workflow, I suspect forking and moving to his own framework is what would happen - with the associated pros and cons

[true spade]

Probably not - but that’s open source for ya, right?

The one big happy family with everything in the same GitHub org probably wouldn’t last forever, while ever people are involved.

[vestal wagon]

also you know temper your expectations because he has whatever backlog he's working through

[true spade]

For sure

But I also don’t know the core well enough to know what the current “issues” are

[unreal marsh]

He only has a decade backlog

Time flies

[vestal wagon]

this year gradius 2 for sure

I kinda like the 'now that you aren't working on this I'm gonna rewrite it without using that weird language you used'

to be fair from digging around in that core I don't like chisel either

[true spade]

Although, given his backlog, I don’t quite get “calling dibs” on this

[unreal marsh]

Just below that screenshot I said he should reach out to you because your air gallet work might be on the existing core

[vestal wagon]

oh that's turned into a stupid adventure

[unreal marsh]

You put your socks back on in disgust?

[vestal wagon]

it had all the components for agallet sound due to hotdog storm support already there. but come to find out if you do the 8mhz clock required for agallet the processor randomly gets delayed reads from progrom and falls over in mysterious ways

and the core uses a custom sdram controller written in chisel sooooooo

although it probably wouldn't be too hard to swap it out

[dawn moat]

CPS3 when

I wonder if the old versions would just go into alternate versions or whatever

[vestal wagon]

they'll probably just get deleted. honestly the chisel thing pretty much assures it will no longer be maintained unless someone comes along who randomly wants to do chisel

[crimson mason]

I hope that Rikas work on Salamander/Life Force will lead to future Nemesis and Twin Bee cores (fingers 🤞)

CV1000 doesn't seem to be on anybody's roadmap. Not even for the MARS Team. Perhaps simply not doable. Which is sad. I recently read a Twitter post on that.

[unreal marsh]

I thought CV1000 was going to be tough due to lack of info

[crimson mason]

Might be the reason for this lack of interest. A lack of knowledge. The demanding thing is that this board contains some kind of FPGA by itself. Which probably leads to more questions than answers.

[unreal marsh]

Ah right I think I read that as well. Can’t exactly go all furtek on an FPGA and learn anything about undocumented functionality. You’d need a wickerwaka style approach.

[crimson mason]

Maybe that could be a hybrid core with emulation on the arm side and the CV1000 FPGA calls just translated on the fly to verilog?

[unreal marsh]

I would think you don’t simulate the fpga just what it’s simulating which you first have to suss out through writing a lot of test code but maybe not, I’m not a core dev, I’m a core addict looking to score

[crimson mason]

A possible future CV1000 core on MARS would be more motivation to buy it than any DV/NAOMI/Atomiswave core (if that is doable at all)

[unreal marsh]

Given the prospective author seems to be mired in 3DO ode woes and drama I wouldn’t bank on DC/NAOMI/Atomiswave for a long time

[rough chasm]

Nemesis is already a thing on MiSTer; it's the same base hardware on the video side of things.

Although I don't think it's an official core.

[restive spade]

correct

[vestal wagon]

have they even been keeping up with framework updates?

[restive spade]

Nope

It is heavly integrated using jtframework

But I told them to look into officially releasing it. Even if it is through jtcore repo.

Source code is here btw: https://github.com/GX400-Friends/gx400-src

[crimson mason]

I didn't know about this

[unreal marsh]

Thanks for trying to make/keep all this stuff available and updated for cores outside the official repos. You seem to bridge a lot of groups to try and make that happen. Appreciate it!

[rustic radish]

I wish Jotego didn't deviate his cores from the official MiSTer framework. Things would be so much simpler. Oh well.

[crimson mason]

It's the question which framework is saner. All official cores switching to the JT framework would be the other option. But having them separate is a bad thing of course.

[vestal wagon]

JT also supports more than mister

[candid rivet]

The only annoyance I have is the logo overlaid on the menu

Didn't use to be there

Maybe I need to purchase the beta access again?

[vestal wagon]

I find the whole build system slightly impenetrable at times, esp when it starts pulling in components across cores

[dawn moat]

it's there with beta access too

[vestal wagon]

it's been there years as best I can remember

[candid rivet]

Ah

I took a long break

[restive spade]

It does support the framework but has like one additional thing db15

[crimson mason]

Do the Toaplan cores work with the new 24 bit boards?

[restive spade]

No, cause the framework are not updated on those cores

[crimson mason]

I guessed it. Thus HDMI only

Wonderboy in Monsterland is another case when a developer started a project in privat and just quit. I hope that Gradius goes another route.

[rustic radish]

Ah yeah you’re right.

I keep forgetting about that

Thanks for pointing that out

[primal mesa]

is this possible?
https://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/w/CAVE_CV1000

[vestal wagon]

probably not

[primal mesa]

I should have googled it. Google linked me to the Cave 68000 thread.

[vestal wagon]

fpga as a blitter/gpu, sh3 cpu @133Mhz. I dunno maybe it could be some miracle core but I don't know the memory speeds etc

[candid rivet]

133! Jeez

[zealous sapphire]

https://x.com/RCAVictorCo/status/1834117542966952127

イカビク (@RCAVictorCo) on X

I just released Salamander beta 2 on my patreon page. This version fixes a bug in K005292. Salamander enables the interlaced mode of the video timing generator, which is the cause of the shaking video. I released a fully synchronous model of K005292 for an FPGA(not a CPLD!).

Twitter · Sep 12, 2024, 6:31 AM

[golden pawn]

Looks like we are about to find out...

[primal mesa]

I love these kind of developments!

Thanks for the update!

[flint rover]

Am I reading that correctly? CV1000 core for MiSTer?

[sweet hamlet]

Hey folks, does anybody know if the changes to archive.org effect the initial “update_all” install of the arcade cores?

[vestal wagon]

the rom downloading thing is fixed

[sweet hamlet]

Thanks

[strange wren]

Exciting news but cave may go after them, they've always been really iffy about cv1000 and it's support outside of their arcade boards. I remember it got pulled from mame a long time ago. Has that changed?

[small rover]

That has changed since.

Just two games are forbidden on MAME now, as they are exploited by EXA (Shoutime) : Akai Katana and DoDonPachi Sai-Dai-Ou-Jou.

But as the games were supported on previous versions, there are some unofficial builds with those 2 games supported once more.

[strange wren]

Gotcha, thanks for the info

[sage kayak]

Why would they be forbidden?

[warped fable]

SDOJ's still making money for exA-Arcadia

[unreal marsh]

What year is that game?

Seems crazy they are still making money on it

[warped fable]

Original release was 2012, but it was re-released for exA-Arcadia November 2020

[strange wren]

exa technically has like a lot of new versions of older games

that's pretty much their whole business

(expensive) arcade exclusive updates

[small rover]

Shaddy story once more.

Shoutime used to work with MAME but began also to collect rare and one-of-a-kind protos without sharing them.
As he wanted to create his company for reselling them after some time and some development.
That was the creation of the ExA-Arcadia system.

Presently, he is trying to sell a newer version of Breakers (Neo Geo), coming from the Chicago proto.

Long story short.

[cyan ocean]

I find the Arcana Heart Love Max Six Stars Extend situation frustating. PC version will likely never be fixed.

[crimson mason]

Hmm. On Twitter Jotego hinted at a new core for Friday. I guess that it is not Circus Charly bc that should already be released. I hope that it is Detana!! Twin Bee, Trigon (TMNT2 style PCBs) or Thunder Cross II (TMNT style) bc those should be close to the stuff he works on recently.

[zealous sapphire]

He tweets about Avengers (Capcom) this weekend

[crimson mason]

Aah, yes, I saw the git commits already. My bad. There goes my hope...

[rustic radish]

What’s the latest Jotego cores to go public?

[small rover]

Neo Geo Pocket.

[rustic radish]

Wait what, it’s public??

Ohhhh, not the NGPC

I don’t have a Patreon account so I can’t see his posts there

[candid rivet]

I do have an account but lost my 2FA details

Which is annoying

[undone glacier]

He's also a bit of an asshole!

[warped hare]

shoutime has always been a bit of a dick, but he's at least consistent about it. I've known him for decades, we used to hang on IRC back when he still used his old nick. He does his thing, and if you agree with it he's a great guy. If you don't like what his thing is, well. He ain't changing for you.

[crimson mason]

Circus Charlie was the last core to go public. And I guess Splatterhouse before that.

[rustic radish]

Awesome, thank you! You’re now my Jotego guy. @gloomy hearth you’re relieved of duty. Thank you for your services! 🫡

[unreal marsh]

Doyle Enterprises is Hiring!

We need top troll talent trolling around the clock

[crimson mason]

We will see if Avengers (Capcom) will go public tomorrow or just to beta. I guess public because the core itself is public already

[crimson mason]

https://www.retrorgb.com/mister-fpga-news-twinbee-salamander-super-cassette-vision-more.html Twin Bee from Raki in a month time?

[vestal wagon]

probably. it's close enough to salamander. it's just that Raki has like 5 million simultaneous projects going on so who knows

like almost immediately after saying that they started doing a bunch of research for cv1k

[rough chasm]

TwinBee is a Bubble System game, which would make its hardware more in line with Gradius.

[crimson mason]

I'd love CV1K for the Cave games. But that is a long term project and it is unclear if it is feasible on any current FPGA. I'd rather want him to work on the IGS board which seems much more within reach of the MiSTer specs. But we will have to wait and see, I guess.

SH3 is like a souped up SH2 like the Saturn one. And if a wrapper can be be written on the ARM side of things to translate the FPGA instructuons into Verilog calls it might be possible. but who knows...

[zealous sapphire]

SH3 is also used on KonamiGX but with smaller speed of the CPU

maybe a lot of custom chips on the board also

[vestal wagon]

I really doubt there is a need for some sort of ARM side wrapper

[crimson mason]

Do you think that the FPGA calls can be sent to the Cyclone V without wrapping them?

[vestal wagon]

it wouldn't work by 'wrapping' them in the ARM side anyways

the behavior of that fpga is pretty well known at this point, you can just implement it

[crimson mason]

Implementing the FPGA in FPGA?

[vestal wagon]

you'd just implement the functionality

it's mostly just a blitter

[small rover]

That's why I wanted to help partially on the Saturn core, on the SCSP (indirectly for the SH2 as the chips are working together).
Working on a SH3 from the SH2 is much easier than doing it from scratch.

[unreal marsh]

Nice didn’t know the fpga behavior bits were known. I think it’s great he’s researching it even if it doesn’t work out because the cost on those boards is too stupid so an FPGA version at some point will be a boon

Plus he seems like more of a researcher than a delivery guy so more in his wheel house. Though we should get salamander fully done in November it seems like.

[crimson mason]

atrac17 retweeted someone's post to show off a private Gunbird PCB. That made me remember that there's still no single FPGA adaption of a Psikyo PCB. The Saturn core improved the situation a lot bc there is at least Gunbird, Tengai (SA II), Strikers 1945 I+2 (the last one better played on PSX), Sol Divide available there. One Gunbird II board seems to be available to Jotego because he put it on a list of potential future core. That work might lead to a Dragon Blaze core at some point in the future. I miss Samurai Aces the most. No ports in the 90 to home consoles and no fpga/verilog conversion in sight at all.

[warped fable]

Psikyo SH2, my beloved...

[vestal wagon]

jotego did the schematics for psikyo sh2, didn't implement it because that board is basically an sh2 + a big custom chip

so the custom needs the furrtek treatment

[warped fable]

I know the SH2 has a lot of good STGs but y'all know what the crowd really wants

[crimson mason]

@warped fable The first one can be played as a conversion to PSX already. Just to let you know.

The MarsFPGA Twitter Account teased Metal Black (Taito F1). I would rather prefer to have the F3 board since Gekirindan is a lackluster Saturn port and Grid Seeker was not ported to home consoles at all back then. I don't know if Metal Black will be Mars or pocket only and if it will come to MiSTer at all. But just to let you know.

[warped fable]

I'm aware, though the first and second are different enough. I'm fortunate to have a PCB of 2 at least. I really want an F3 core since there's a few games I don't own and I'm not spending the money on those rofl

[leaden topaz]

Anyone working on / interested in working on a Tutankham arcade core? It's one of my favorite arcade games of all time that has spotty emulation on anything but a relatively modern pc...

[warped hare]

I would so love to see this done.

[floral garden]

I've just read at the FPGAming Discord that Mazamars (who did the Analogue Pocket Amiga core) has been working on a Star Wars vector arcade core for the Pocket! Let's hope it will be ported to MiSTer.

[rustic radish]

That’s super cool!

[unreal marsh]

It’s neat but vector games are kind of disappointing on modern displays. Just played Star Wars at a barcade a few weeks ago, I’ll always play vector games when I see them since it’s such a different experience vs emulation

[floral garden]

Agreed. But there's also someone who has made a MiSTer VGA to Oscilloscope adapter, which would be cool to use in combination with a Star Wars core.

No colour obviously though. I still hope to see one IRL one day.

[unreal marsh]

Oh yeah good point

He did that for vectrex but an even cooler thing would be to use a vectrex as a display for other vector cores like Star Wars. Though I guess the vectrex home brew / arcade conversions might already cover that (no idea on accuracy though)

[floral garden]

The PiTrex (which I have) can't handle all the detail of all the vector games (Star Wars being one of them). Though someone was working on a WiFi solution, where the game is emulated on a PC. Would be cool if that worked.

[unreal marsh]

I wonder if vectrex can be pure display then and the core could drive it, would be cool

I mean I’m sure it could it’s just how much hardware does it take to adapt

[floral garden]

That is the case with the PiTrex, the CPU is halted, the PiTrex drives the display directly and receives input from the Vectrex. It is really cool tech.

[unreal marsh]

Yeah I need to get a pitrex

So it’s the Pi that’s too slow then

[floral garden]

It is really cool, but development is not very active

Yes

[unreal marsh]

So maybe the same thing could be done but mister driving. Neat

[floral garden]

I got a Zero 2 and asked the developers if it would be supported. They had massive trouble using multiple cores and in the end it is not faster than the Zero 1 sadly.

I think it could be indeed replaced by the MiSTer handling the emulation.

[candid rivet]

I don't even understand how color vector CRTs work

There aren't red green and blue electrons 😭

Oh wait it's the angle through the mask

Nevermind!

It's still rather magical to me how it works on any CRT.

Wrong channel however.

[unreal marsh]

Every channel deserves crt talk

[candid rivet]

I still don't quite grasp it to be honest

How do they put the right phosphors in the right spots

[unreal marsh]

Is just a color tube

So it has a mask

[candid rivet]

Do they have a paint gun where each electron gun is

Or is the mask very very carefully positioned

But the damn rays aren't parallel

[unreal marsh]

The only difference from raster is the fact it can draw at arbitrary XY instead of only the normal pattern. Oh you mean how do they angle the guns when converged to filter through the mask to the correct phosphor color?

[candid rivet]

Yes that

The illustrations are always ludicrously handwavey

I guess it is a regular enough pattern of dots

But the screen is flattish

So the projection is off

I suppose that explains why most tubes were 90° or 100°

[unreal marsh]

I have no idea how the guns are angled or how they figure that out or how it’s so precise

[unreal marsh]

Like even when you mess with convergence rings you move a color around so I guess the gun is always at some angle to the mask that it hits the right strip of phosphor

But it may as well be magic

[candid rivet]

Yeah it's geometric I guess

It just can't hit the wrong dots unless the mask moves

But jeez the triads near the edge of the screen must be wider apart, right?

Due to the angle

Blows my mind

Or maybe the electron rays aren't reasonably approximated with straight lines at sll

They're particles with mass and get deflected

Let's just say it's a magic tube

[unreal marsh]

Yeah electrons bent around by magnets + some kind of mask filter magic

[zealous sapphire]

https://github.com/pinballwizz/AX309-MoonAlien2

[dawn moat]

Anyone subbed to raki for the salamander beta?

[warped fable]

Just waiting for that F3 core...had to settle on the Saturn version

[crimson mason]

Saturn is a great port of Darius Gaiden though. Nothing to complain about.

[warped fable]

It's got a little slowdown in some places so it's a bit easier

Better than the PS1 port 🤣

This is another one that I have a PCB (cart) of so I'm used to the feel of that version personally

[crimson mason]

Jotego added schematics for Tekhan World Cup to his git account today. I am not too sure if that is the main target (random soccer game even if that is the root of Microprose Soccer and Sensible Soccer), maybe that schematics can lead to implementing Star Force (Arcade version) in the long term which is certainly a big arcade classic that had a great impact on the caravan shooting history. https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/commit/deb02a627834dc6a397680604999e056a0474c77

I can be wrong though, I am not soo sure if those boards are really close or related.

[vestal wagon]

they're completely different

actually wait, maybe not. one of them uses a nec chip, but that's just some z80 clone

so maybe closer than I initially thought

eh different sound chips

[crimson mason]

Seems like November could bring to us not only Life Force but also TwinBee

Two classics who were sorely missing

Maybe Gradius can be "mainlined" as well...

[dawn moat]

nice

[vestal wagon]

gradius has other devs tho

[crimson mason]

I know. But it's open source thus those efforts can maybe combined somehow

These Konami GX boards should be close. Maybe that announcement could be of interest as well:

GP9001 is aToaplan 2 chip. Any findings there might move Dogyuun, V-V (Grindstormer) and Batsugun closer to a potential release. Those are the last Toaplan treasures missing. An alpha core for TwinBee should be close at least.

[vestal wagon]

there's already a GP9001 implementation, just not from silicon reversing. I'm not sure that's holding up those other games

[crimson mason]

I am not sure either. But any findings from decapping are certainly welcome.

[vestal wagon]

there's also the additional hurdle that the primary devs of the toaplan stuff appear to have sold all their misters, so....

[crimson mason]

I am pretty confident that we will see further releases. The last one was 3 months ago. We will see. It's open source after all.

[karmic shadow]

The potential for more Toaplan arcade cores has got me interested.

[rustic radish]

I love it when a toaplan comes together

[zealous sapphire]

some NEC cpu used for those games I think that doesn't exist on FPGA

[candid rivet]

Toa is short for loo in swedish

So that company probably has a well thought out restroom complex

[vestal wagon]

oh neat, I think raki is about to release salamander. uploaded the rbf+mras 30 minutes ago

I look forward to no one being able to get it to work

[restive spade]

Incoming

https://x.com/rcavictorco/status/1849290777341661249?s=46&t=j33yLl8p3dP1uKNH2get5Q

イカビク (@RCAVictorCo) on X

Salamander core public release?

https://t.co/szFeeO7geC

Twitter · Oct 24, 2024, 3:24 AM

Ah the setnames needs update

[vestal wagon]

and wiki update

[restive spade]

Yeah

[dawn moat]

I have the betas running. Excited to get the final

[restive spade]

Readme has been updated with the following info

[rough chasm]

It should be noted that during the boss fight, sprites do sometimes disappear on the real PCB, mostly in the score display, though this sounds like a case where too many of them are disappearing.

[glossy marsh]

wtf why is my autoupdate struggling with those? takes ages

[rustic radish]

Archive issues, it’ll eventually go through

[crimson mason]

I just got the European version D working. Did anybody have success with the Life Force versions?

[flint rover]

I got Life Force (US) working. Life Force (Japan) doesn't seem to work right on my end. Salamander (version D) works for me, but Salamander (version J) does not.

[dawn moat]

The MRA is pointed at the wrong roms (they are looking for non merged rather than merged). The fix is ready to be merged, just waiting on Raki.

[flint rover]

Well that was an easy enough fix on my own. Just modified the mra myself and they all work perfect now. Thanks!

I've always liked Life Force (Japan), because it uses the Gradius style power up system. Which the NES port also uses.

[rustic radish]

Thanks for doing that PR

[dawn moat]

wasn't me, it was @restive spade

I'm just stealing tech support valor

[rustic radish]

Thanks for telling me that Toya did it and thanks to Toya for doing it

[unreal marsh]

Toya is always working to make our arcade experience better. Thanks Toya

Zakk too, the unsung heroes of fixing other peoples bullshit 😜

Robby make up a heros ballad for them. Maybe just recycle the monkey song

[dawn moat]

Big ➕1️⃣

[restive spade]

Good, sorg merged my pr for Salamander

So if you have merged set, it will launch now

[restive spade]

Arcade organizer is updated

[rustic radish]

Awesome, thank you so much!

[rustic radish]

Is merged better than non merged?

[flint rover]

You have the urge to merge.

[restive spade]

Yes. It combines all sets into one

No need to have multiple

[crimson mason]

Gridiron, Tee'd off, Tehkan World Cup are the possible games for the new Jotego core. Thus no Star Force and no other STG: https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/blob/595fc68dec4b1b55600b5c99ba26d4292864f392/cores/wc/cfg/mame2mra.toml

[rustic radish]

Any new games gone public?

[crimson mason]

No, not yet. I guess that the Sega 18 core depends on some fixes for VDP synchronization (Jotego waiting for faster EEPROM to experiment with that) and the Sunset Riders core waits for the decapping results from Furrtek. wrestling superstars and X-Men are rather new).

The others are relatively new. I guess that the next public core will be Midnight Resistance for the Pocket. The last one missing.

Simpsons and Parodius got fixes and should be pretty perfect now.

[rustic radish]

Thanks for the update dude

[crimson mason]

(not so good) TwinBee news

[unreal marsh]

Hopefully they can get through it, twinbee is dandy

[crimson mason]

Don't really understand why TwinBee is different to Salamander in this regard. But obviously it is.

I would love to have Detana! TwinBee at some point as a separate MiSTer core as well. I know that I can play that on Saturn and PSX but both versions are not in proper TATE sadly.

[unreal marsh]

Arcade hardware be that way

[karmic shadow]

I'm not surprised. Konami arcade boards are kind of infamous for their "mix and match" approach to the hardware, which for emulation developers forces them to do a per-game approach.

[warped fable]

There's a few platforms that are like that IIRC. The Taito F2 and B system are almost identical but use some different graphic chips, the F2 uses different sprite generation chips depending on the game, the B system uses different audio chips depending on the game...

[small rover]

New update for Salamander/Life Force

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Arcade-Salamander_MiSTer/tree/main/releases

[crimson mason]

I hope that a future PGM core will be feasible. A 68k core at 20 MHz. I wonder why nobody tried to tackle that.

[rustic radish]

Ok, shmup fans please educate me. Which is better, Life Force or Salamander?

[dawn moat]

https://tenor.com/bzy1R.gif

[small rover]

Salamander, as I can choose my options.

[crimson mason]

The Japanese Life Force is the latest revision of the game. Kind of a "final cut". It has the "Gradius" style control system in contrast to the original Salamander one which is simpler but offers less control.

[rustic radish]

Ohhhh that’s neat

They’re both worth playing of course but I was trying to decide which one to stick in my favorites list

[crimson mason]

@rustic radish, any clue, why I cannot post in the Saturn channel anymore?

[rustic radish]

Maybe you got kicked accidentally, the channel is probably full

I’m on mobile so I can’t kick someone else for you, maybe @fossil obsidian can?

[flint rover]

NES Life Force!

I'm only partially kidding honestly.

[rough chasm]

Life Force, specifically the Japanese version, plays differently due to the Gradius power-up system (the US version is a lazy edit of Salamander that also loses a lot of stereo panning, for whatever reason) while having some stages with altered enemy patterns. That said, Life Force has 3 new songs for stages 2, 4 and 5 and fixes up the low volume of existing tracks that are carried over from Salamander (albeit at the expense of additional crunch on the real PCB because of Konami's typically shit selection of op-amps). That said, Life Force could be considered the easier game because of the Lord British, player 2's ship, having reordered power-ups which makes it easier to max out the ship's firepower.
It's a toss-up as to which could be considered better, all in all.

[rustic radish]

Dude, amazing answer. Thank you!

[rough chasm]

Reminds me that I need to wire up a second controller port on my Supergun so I can control the Lord British when playing Life Force on the real PCB. 😛

On a side-note, I hope Raki doesn't mind if, at some point, I make a pull request to add audio filtering and mimic the audio path on the analog side, phase inversion included (I bring this up due to the rather cold reception to Nemesis on this server when the first beta was released, and provided Raki hasn't already added filtering). The current build of the core looks to lack any filtering on the audio side.

[restive spade]

Great summary!

[unreal marsh]

I thought people didn’t like nemesis because the core is closed source

Or am I confusing it with something else

[restive spade]

It’s not closed source

[vestal wagon]

now

[restive spade]

You probably do

https://github.com/GX400-Friends/gx400-src

[vestal wagon]

I think it was mostly 1) people wanted JP gradius and 2) for a while it wasn't being updated with framework changes

[restive spade]

It uses jtframe

And an old version of it that is

I asked one of the developers to include it in the JTCore repo since including it in the mister devel will require them to sort out the structure

[unreal marsh]

Oh cool I wasn’t bothering with it because I thought it was closed source and never finished but it’s just not part of any of the usual distribution?

[restive spade]

Also including it in the jt repo will keep the core maintained regularly

[restive spade]

It is, unofficial distribution

[unreal marsh]

Oh ha I think I always have that disabled

So that just has nemesis and zx spectrum 48k? Interesting

[rough chasm]

Perhaps there would be some way to merge Nemesis with Salamander and add flags in the MRAs to reconfigure the core accordingly?

The video hardware is identical, though the memory map and audio hardware differ.

[vestal wagon]

probably possible, but I'm not sure if Raki is interested in something like that. although I haven't looked at how much resources he's used for just salamander

[rough chasm]

If there are enough, I think the GX400-based games should share a common core, but ultimately, that's his call to make.

I might run a test compile this weekend just to check if the idea is actually feasible.

[vestal wagon]

how different is twinbee again?

[rough chasm]

That's a Bubble System game and also has a ROM version sharing the same PCB as the ROM version of Gradius.

Another completely different memory map including shared RAM between the Z80 and 68000.

One thing with Bubble System games and their ROM versions is once one game is done, the rest will work with the same core without fussing with core reconfiguration via MRA flagging.

Which is what I do with Iron Horse and Jackal to change the way the core behaves depending on whether original or bootleg ROMs are loaded.

[vestal wagon]

@restive spade I dunno how much this matters, but you might want to talk to Raki about not having the weird romhack salamander as a 'top level' but instead in _alternatives.

[restive spade]

Will check

[restive spade]

What does the rom hack even do?

I’ll put a pull request to move the files

[vestal wagon]

I'm not sure. like some gradius powerup hack on JP salamander?

[rough chasm]

It's supposed to be a recreation of some very rare version of Salamander handed out as a prize for... possibly a stage design contest.

Which is, as described, Salamander with the Gradius power-up system.

And maybe 1-ups, which didn't exist except in the Japanese version of Life Force.

[crimson mason]

@restive spade I think that at least 2 of the official Salamander versions should move to _alternatives as well

[restive spade]

Yeah will check

The thing is that if you have Arcade Organizer folder directly in /_Arcade folder (there is a setting in AO where you can set it up like this). Then you will only have the preferred version of each Arcade game. No need to scroll all the way down in the unorganized folder

[restive spade]

Done: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Arcade-Salamander_MiSTer/pull/5

Difference between version J and D is that J is japanese version and D is west

[vestal wagon]

I'd almost say you need a short 'mra naming and important contents for core developers' document, but I suspect it won't reduce the number of pull requests you have to do occasionally 😉

[restive spade]

Yeah... will probably add a section to the wiki just in case...

Did a pull request to Mra alternative repo as well.

I did a similar pull request to CAVE core but nullobject.... well.... objected since he wanted all the different versions visible in the same folder...

[vestal wagon]

is that PR still open?

[restive spade]

Ah no, never mind. It was actually merged...

[unreal marsh]

Too bad he bailed, at least Jotego said he might take it over

[vestal wagon]

perhaps added to the queue behind gradius 2

[unreal marsh]

2029 babeee

[restive spade]

Merged

[crimson mason]

What's the plans for Gradius 2?

Vulcan Venture?

[vestal wagon]

like three years ago jotego put out a list of 'plans for the next year' and gradius 2 was on it

[dawn moat]

after cps3

[unreal marsh]

Jotego is super prolific despite completely handicapping himself supporting so many fpga platforms and working on the NGP. If he didn’t have those leg weights we’d have Sega model 2 by now 😜

[crimson mason]

The DTACk seems to be different for TwinBee. But the Video on the bottom seems to indicate that we will see Gradius as well.

The text above the video

[zealous sapphire]

https://fxtwitter.com/RCAVictorCo/status/1853746617087611134

[crimson mason]

Great. I guess that we will see a mainline Gradius and finally TwinBee soon

[karmic shadow]

Big day for those that juggle bells and get pissed off when you can never get the powerup you want.

[ashen dust]

That power up system is the worst.

[flint rover]

Yep. Love me some 🐝 🐝 , but that power up system always annoys me!

[zealous sapphire]

Alpha Core available
https://www.patreon.com/posts/bubble-system-115465797

[native nimbus]

oh rad

[crimson mason]

Is this for Gradius and TwinBee or just for TwinBee?

Is anyone a Patreon?

[dawn moat]

both

[unreal marsh]

I am but haven’t grabbed these alphas

[dawn moat]

same

it's both though. they just pushed a fix for gradius

[unreal marsh]

They mention gradius and galactic warrior for the bubble system

But maybe twinbee also applies to the double countdown fix, dunno

Will have to grab this stuff at some point and try it (weekend probably)

[dawn moat]

yeah, the fix is just for gradius, but the core runs both

[unreal marsh]

I don’t always bother with alphas. I want my beep boops

[dawn moat]

yeah, I didn't install salamander until there was audio

[dawn moat]

Posted this in the wrong room. So I will post it here: New twinbee/gradius beta (with sound?)

[brittle smelt]

I just tested it from this post and there is indeed sound

[dawn moat]

I will test it too. They said they don't think there is anything missing

which would be wild because I feel like the expectation was it was going to take a few more weeks

[crimson mason]

Sound is there. He looked at the old Nemesis core obviously.

[vestal wagon]

he has author credits on the old one

[restive sable]

Is demons world broken for anybody else. After loading the core (through the mra) i only get a blank screen. No errors, no complains about missing rom - just a blank screen? Any ideas?

[crimson mason]

Nope, I raised the issue in the forums, probably we should file a bug

[restive sable]

Thanks for verifying. Maybe we should contact the author or file a bug report on github?

[crimson mason]

Maybe they didn't notice yet. EDIT: I filed a bug on github

[fringe otter]

I played it the other day. Let me try it again.

Demon's World is interesting. It is working on my MiSTer Pi setup through HDMI. I tried it on my older DE-10 setup on a CRT and it was the black screen. I will try the MiSTer Pi on a CRT next. I will also try to update the MiSTer Pi.

The DE-10 MiSTer did run update all more recently than the MiSTer Pi setup.

[dawn moat]

Direct video issue?

[dawn moat]

Works on my qmtech board that is hooked up to a shitty hdmi monitor. I’ll check the direct video mister in a bit

[fringe otter]

I ran the update all on my MiSTer Pi and now it no longer works.

[dawn moat]

Yep, there was an update

And it broke it (my update all pulled new MRAs)

[fringe otter]

I did a search and found the github that still has the older mra files on it. I downloaded this and placed it on my sd card and it works again.

https://github.com/va7deo/demonswld

[dawn moat]

yeah, these just changed. Let me see if atrac knows whats up

[restive sable]

thanks great work!

[dawn moat]

Ok, fixed. Run update_all to grab the new core

[restive sable]

@dawn moat Thanks again! Ran update all, and everything works fine now!

[dawn moat]

I’m just the messenger 🙂

[rustic radish]

A fix wouldn’t happen if no one knows it needs to be fixed. Thanks for tracking that down.

[dawn moat]

@rustic radish I forgot to mention that the coin op crew put Raizing cores on their 2025 roadmap. You may get your wish.

[rustic radish]

Hooray!!

[crimson mason]

Those Raizing games are all released, though? Aren't we rooting for the missing Toaplan games? Batugun, Dogyuun and V-V?

[dawn moat]

Yeah, that's the thrust of the work, getting Toaplan2 games out - but there are optimizations they can make to the raizing cores (which is what Robby was hoping for)

[unreal marsh]

Yeah but for pocket right? I don’t think these guys do mister anymore because they dramatically announced not having misters anymore even before all the other drama that came after

[dawn moat]

So they are doing an open source framework that is portable to all FPGA's. If the mister/pocket/whatever can support the optimizations they are building, they will release a build for it. I think the pocket stuff is more a byproduct of the fact they have been focusing on Midway stuff for forever, so it's all been pocket

[unreal marsh]

Did they ever open source that wrestling game and the midway games?

[dawn moat]

They are going to but can't at the moment because they use JTFrame, which cannot be open sourced. Pram0d is building an open source version of the framework so they can

[unreal marsh]

Ah birdybro already pointed out that’s totally false, you can open source the parts that aren’t JTFrame

[dawn moat]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ I'm just going off what has been said. I only play games

[rustic radish]

i just like playing shootie games

[dawn moat]

same!

err, I mean, I like organizing them

[unreal marsh]

I enjoy looking at the flyers and imagining what it would be like to organize them

[crimson mason]

I am not saying, it will come. But maybe at least considered

[neat crypt]

What's SSG tracking?

[crimson mason]

I don't know for sure. Maybe tracking a FPGA implementation of the Software-controlled Sound Generator (part of YM2610) https://wiki.neogeodev.org/index.php?title=SSG

Darius II uses the YM2610, thus he probably means Darius II, see https://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=658

[stuck gust]

hey yall! I wanted to play the Fire Share / Same Same Same core, but I cannot for the life of me set the controls!

I have "Same! Same! Same! (2P Set).mra" which I downloaded back in June 2023

the rbf = "vimana_20240404.rbf"

I guess my question is, what is the "2P Set" referenced? I only have one controller plugged in, and like I said, I cannot set my controls

[dawn moat]

Two player. Have you run update all recently?

[stuck gust]

not in a few months

i have another user in the blisster discord who can replicate

[dawn moat]

run update all, make sure you have the arcade cores enabled

I am not in front of my mister atm, so I cannot check unfortunately

[stuck gust]

thanks @dawn moat

i should mention, i can play with a regular USB connected controller...but not with my blisster controller (in USB mode)

[dawn moat]

wait, can you hit the OSD with a blister controller? Or is it like snac?

oh blister seems like a real rat’s nest

that’s the llapi stuff, yeah?

[stuck gust]

yea, i can. I can play just about all cores (arcade, console, etc) with the blisster

[dawn moat]

I wonder if the core supports it. Did it work in 2023? I would run update_all, make sure you have the llapi stuff enabled, and then try after that is done.

[stuck gust]

im getting some answers in the blisster discord. theyre saying the core is missing a line of code or something

they will try and fix and recompile for me

thanks jesus!

[dawn moat]

🙏

I did nothing, but you’re welcome all the same

[vestal wagon]

weird, the 'usb mode' of the blister just takes normal usb and presents it as normal usb to the mister

[stuck gust]

can i ask, where does vimana_20240404.rbf get downloaded from (or arcade .rbfs in general)?

[dawn moat]

I dunno who the dev is… but the repository is likely on mister_devel. However, LLAPI cores are different, so I’m not sure where those live (if that is a LLAPI core)

[stuck gust]

here is where i thought it should be:

https://github.com/va7deo/vimana/tree/main/releases

but these are older version of the .rbf

[vestal wagon]

those are coinop collection

[dawn moat]

Oh yeah, Toaplan stuff is all atrac I think

Toaplan 2 is on their roadmap for next year, and they mentioned going back and looking at old cores, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for blister support

everything I’m reading about blister is basically “TL;DR, don’t”

[stuck gust]

https://github.com/Coin-OpCollection/Distribution-MiSTerFPGA/tree/develop/_Arcade/cores

😦

yea. i got my blisster/mister like 3 years ago

works for most, but not everything

[dawn moat]

yeah, things basically coalesced around SNAC. There is this reflex stuff that uses HDMI (which is fucking black magic as far as I am concerned), but SNAC has been adopted as the defacto standard for low latency, original controllers

[vestal wagon]

yeah, but you're using a normal usb controller, right?

[stuck gust]

nope...blisster

it works with the reg usb controller

[unreal marsh]

With fast polling those are nearly the same, probably a lot less of a pain to just do usb mode all the time

oh but you want to use your original controllers

And SNAC / SNAX is a bit annoying because no osd so guess blisster is just slightly in between. I’d get a Reflex Adapt

No weird alt cores

All the blisster benefits

I don’t think the adapters are pin compatible though

[rustic radish]

I love SNAC/SNAX but I can’t tell the difference in latency between that and Reflex lol

[thin sluice]

no one expects you to

[flint rover]

I expect him to.

[thin sluice]

but he is old

[flint rover]

No excuses!

[thin sluice]

he could go into a training camp

[flint rover]

Just got him signed up. The men in suits will soon be at his door to..."escort" him.

[stuck gust]

@unreal marsh " I’d get a Reflex Adapt
No weird alt cores
All the blisster benefits
I don’t think the adapters are pin compatible though" >>> thanks! What does that mean, the adapters are not pin compatible?

my understanding is if I buy the reflex, i can use my existing SNAC adapters (for SNES, NES, etc) and Im good to go? Original controllers with largely undistinguishable latency compared to blisster?

[unreal marsh]

The misteraddons SNAX / Reflex adapters I don’t think are compatible with the blisster ones but you’d have to ask

[stuck gust]

okdokey

is that what you mean by "not pin compatible"?

[rustic radish]

The physical pin layout isn’t the same so the data won’t flow through correctly

[native nimbus]

Oh damn toaplan 2 has some real heavy hitters, I’m down

[dawn moat]

Some cool stuff potentially coming from that neck of the woods next year

[crimson mason]

News from the Bubble system games

[crimson mason]

The simulation worked but there was a bit of a synchronization problem with the Z80 sound chip (as far as I understood)

Jotego teased two new cores this year. One from the 80s (which will obviously be Taito's Fairyland Story).

And one from the 90s, which will be an Xmas present

I guess that chances are that the surprise core will be from Konami since Furrtek and skutis (Twin16) imaged new dies or reverse engineered new stuff.

My best bet is Cowboys from Moo Mesa. Because that was secretly teased already at one time. My second guess would be Violent Storm because a lot of chips dies are already imaged from that by Furrtek. Or Turtles in Time because that is started somehow in git.

My third guess would have been Vulcan Venture because of that skutis Twin16 schematics updates in GitHub lately. But google tells me that this was still from the 80s

So my last guess would be anything other from the TMNT to Xexex boards that is still missing. If we are lucky a new shmup like Gradius III, Detana Twinbee, Trigon or even Xexex itself.

[crimson mason]

Some on Twitter dream already of CPS3 or even PGM but I don't see that coming anytime soon.

[unreal marsh]

What’s your fifth guess?

[crimson mason]

I see what you did there 😉

What would be your guess?

[unreal marsh]

Turtles in Time

[crimson mason]

I guess that Asterix would be a bit more likely in the pot of candidates

[cyan ocean]

I'm probably way off base, but I was thinking Numan Athletics becasue he said "Bear with me" and one of the characters in the game says "Bear with me, ok"

[tiny yarrow]

I was looking through what I bought on Arcade Archives on Switch and was reminded of some awesome NMK games. Namely Gunnail, Thunder Dragon 2 and Omega Fighter – all great in my opinion, but none of them on MiSTer. Is there a reason there are so few NMK cores?

[true spade]

Absolutely loving the Fantasy Zone core today

[rustic radish]

Oh damn, new Jotego core?

[true spade]

Nah. It’s ancient, I think 😄

I just started playing it on the Saturn last night, and then decided to check if it was in the arcade section - and it was!

No crappy Saturn ports for us! 😉

[unreal marsh]

Both fantasy zones have cores

Err two not sure how many there are

They made the cut for my TapTo cards

[true spade]

Another man of culture

[rustic radish]

You are missing the maze one!

[restive spade]

Even the newly released Fantasy Zone 2 by M2 is supported on mister

It is under Sega System 16C

Jotego added support

https://youtu.be/ihvLUGSjpas?si=y1TtJBQM96V-VlKC

[karmic shadow]

If only it was possible to also have the Link Loop Land mode from the 3DS port.

That is a really addicting mode.

[flint rover]

Speaking of shmups, I did play throughs of both Raiden and Raiden II yesterday (on the PS1 core). Raiden 1 soundtrack is amazing.

[true spade]

PSX core!

I don’t think I’ve ever played either of those. I’m a proper shmup noob

Interwebs recommended star parodier as a good “my first shmup”, but I still can’t get through it 😄

(Although I can get pretty far)

I tend to find them much easier with a controller (d-pad) over a stick - but if it’s an arcade game (e.g. Fantasy Zone), then I use a stick because a D-Pad feels like cheating 😄

[flint rover]

Oh I had to use save states for Raiden 1. That game is proper brutal. But I did beat Raiden II without cheating. That game is much more fair, and more fun overall.

[true spade]

I can see how save states would be really helpful when learning

[flint rover]

I have gotten really close to beating Raiden 1 without save states in the past, but it was hours of die and retry over and over.

[true spade]

Curious about this - I only have the 8bitdo arcade stick because I’m a cheapskate and not much of an arcade player - but it seems like the stick has a really long throw, which makes shmups feel hard for me - is that “typical” of the sticks you’d find on your “average” arcade shmup?

[flint rover]

That game has major Gradius syndrome. Death means being reset to the pea shooter, and it is super difficult to power up again after that.

[flint rover]

I think it is. I played a lot of games in the arcade back in the day, and have several arcade sticks at home.

[true spade]

Cool. I’ll just git gud then 🙂

Thanks!

(Or use a d-pad because life’s too short :D)

[golden pawn]

Lots of players use an LS-32 or LS-56 as the throw is short.

[flint rover]

A fantastic controller for shmups that would solve your problem would be the 8bitdo Neo Geo CD controller. That thing is godlike for shmups!

[true spade]

Thanks. I’ll make a note of that 🙂

[true spade]

I already have that one!

Good suggestion, thanks!

(See, I do listen to you! 🥺)

[vestal wagon]

apparently some of the JP shmup people have been switching to JLX-TPML. I might pick up one to see if it is actually good

[flint rover]

Hmm...maybe I'll have to reinstate our friendship.
||All aboard the friend ship! 🚢 ||

[undone glacier]

Wow, I just saw the flyer for this and it's nuts. 5 point adjustible microswtiches. Wow.

[frigid torrent]

Viper phase 1 core?

[flint rover]

Are the Raiden Fighters games on the same board as Viper Phase 1?

[vestal wagon]

yeah

I don't know how many variations there are of that board tho

[flint rover]

That's four fantastic shmups! 🔥

[vestal wagon]

oh right, it's cart based so probably not much variation.

but i386 + customs

and there are single-board versions of various games too

[flint rover]

Viper Phase 1 actually just got an Arcade Archives release. But only on Switch! Was supposed to also hit PSN, but that version is delayed for some reason.

[cyan ocean]

Actually. it's stranger than that. It showed up on the PS4 store, but as an add-on. I was able to purchase and transfer it to PS5, but it only showed up on the playstation.com download status page.

[flint rover]

So you were actually able to get it running on your PS5?

[frigid torrent]

https://theotakuauthority.com/arcade-archives-viper-phase-1-coming-to-switch-ps4/

[cyan ocean]

yes. I went to Game Library after clicking the avatar in the Playstation Store webpage. The game showed up there and I was able to download it.

They actually made a comment on it!

Usually, I they don't say anything when a release is missing from one of console shops.

Rastan III is the next game on AA!

[crimson mason]

https://github.com/users/jotego/projects/5/views/1?pane=issue&itemId=91690972&issue=jotego|jtcores|900

A "Twin 16 beta" core is in development

Final Round and Missing in Action is already available.

[vestal wagon]

finally, a Burning Heat music player core

[crimson mason]

Will Vulcan Venture finally grace our MiSTers and Pockets? Dark Adventure is being actively looked at at the moment

[crimson mason]

Ok, I guess that I dreamed that Jotego had Missing in Action available previously. Just Final Round seems to be available from Twin16.

[warped hare]

It's leaf switches internally, they don't click.

[warped hare]

I just got my SPI board back from the repair shop, it's totally hosed. That '386 + customs' resulted in a board that breaks a solder joint when you flex it, all the damn time. It's a nightmare of a thing. In my case, that's what happened the first time I sent it off. This time, it was a blown PAL chip that couldn't be replaced or repaired. So, yeah, I'd love to see this board properly replicated.

[vestal wagon]

I had a handful of the single board RFJ boards, always something wrong with those things

[undone glacier]

Even crazier!

[undone glacier]

Is it the lack of a click that makes it a "leaf?" I think they all sort of have the same way internally of connecting the circuit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6nP1FjxAMU&t=36s

[warped hare]

Well, I mean, they're all two pieces of metal smacking against each other. 😊

[crimson mason]

Gradius/Twinbee delayed to January

Kiki Kaikai next from her. Thanks Rika!!

Let's see if she went the extra mile to finish this off by RE'ing K005295? That would benefit Salamander as well.

[vestal wagon]

I think the only thing missing for kiki kaikai is the mcu

the rest of it is already done

and released

[flint rover]

Dang it Marvel. I only think of one thing when I see MCU.

[vestal wagon]

yeah, Pierco released Kick and Run which is the same hardware