Computer Cores

[fleet cave]

imagine running solaris, and thinking 'if only I could run nextstep too'

a market geared entirely towards mathematica users

[hollow ice]

my ultra 45 is one of my favorite “retro” computers

I have a sunpci x86 on a card that is integrated into the OS, wabi for windows 3.1. I never got around to installing native containers so I could run MAE for macos…but looks like I need to figure it out since that gives me macos and openstep-lite

MAE and wabi work on the sparcstation core already

looks like grabuloasure published an fpga implementation of the lance network card on his github, but he hasn’t updated his blog in a while

wow, going back to the thread on the forum kconger already has me covered….

[fleet cave]

I wonder why grab never really put the core in the main mister repo

[hollow ice]

maybe because it is a custom sparc implementation? I have wondered that too

@stiff fern did you ever attempt solaris 9? I forgot why I gave up. I had meant to go back and try it on the ss20 variant to see if multi-core support worked.

[stiff fern]

I did try 9, but it didn't work. If I remember correctly, the ss20 multi-core only works for NetBSD.

[hollow ice]

Do you remember why it failed? I can’t. I think maybe the installation just hung at some point?

[hollow ice]

In any case, thanks for continuing to update your Solaris 8 image

[stiff fern]

I can't recall for sure its been a while since I tested.

[void belfry]

If anyone played **Decker **(a hacking-themed Win game from early 2000s) in the past, it can be played on ao486 at least under Win NT 4.0 (Win95 gave some setup error missing some DLL and didn't yet tried it on W98).
The original site is long dead, but it was archived and can be seen/get the files on Internet Archives (http://www.caro.net/dsi/decker/).

[hollow ice]

I never have

[void belfry]

then try it lol

was in the vein of later games like Uplink and the likes, quite hard at some point, but overall very enjoyable

When I first played, I still had my old 486 DX/4 around and played it on that too as well on my Pentium III made out of parts I had back then

[hollow ice]

kconger: probably nothing to worry about, but you can get wabi 2.2 from the Solaris 2.5.1 Desktop CD

and if you want to go for thera levels of insanity, this video shows softwindows running on solaris and gives some hints how to get it working: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xodv3Q2BtN8

[lost nest]

https://temlib.org/pub/s.JPG

[hollow ice]

Thank you again for the core! What is it running on in that picture?

[stiff fern]

WABI is installed in my image. 🙂

[stiff fern]

That looks to be MAE, it's also installed in my image.

[hollow ice]

I meant what device…he has all sorts of interesting looking things on that board.

As for wabi, you installed 2.1. Not sure what the point release changes, was just letting you know that you can get a slightly newer version and where.

I never built the snac network adapter. I think I got as far as putting a schematic together in kicad.

Would love to see the lance chip added to some other cores- would get a lot more use from that than snac. It apparently is the basis of the a2065, so the Amiga should be able to use it.

[stiff fern]

Ah, maybe I'll see about adding 2.2

[stiff fern]

I designed and assembled some boards.

[hollow ice]

If you have any extra and we can navigate the my country’s import situation I’d be happy to compensate you for one of them.

[stiff fern]

I'll see what I have laying around.

[hollow ice]

otherwise if you don't mind sharing your board files, I can always spin up a run myself.

[stiff fern]

I'll push up to GitHub and send you a link.

[hollow ice]

appreciate it

oh yeah, now I remember why I never finished it....my mister's too old so my snac port doesn't have all the signals....guess I need to buy a new board as well

[neat lintel]

http://fpga8801.seesaa.net/article/519702631.html

Puu’s first article of 2026!!

[shut oak]

I don't know how high priority it is, and I always feel guilty bringing it up, but I do wonder when AO486 will support the MisterAddons HDMI to SCART converter, since it currently displays a blank screen. PCXT works just fine, but browsing Windows 95 on there would be nice haha.

I really would just get a VGA CRT Monitor, but the problem is that there's none being sold anywhere close by, so I'm limited on options

[woven lava]

that might be because ao496 is outputing a VGA 480p signal but the others are doing 240p?

I think it even outputs 70hz

which causes issues with my Dell 2007fp which is limited to 60 fps

its not really the fault of the core

perhaps you can use a GBS-C (or similar) do downscale?

[hollow ice]

can’t you setup specific scalar options in the mister ini? I thought by default the ao486 output 60hz video?

[shut oak]

I'm not too sure honestly. I remember spending hours tinkering with the Mister.ini file to no avail

[woven lava]

not sure but maybe it works

you'd have to force it to output 60 hz

[woven lava]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=2574

try this thread

[shut oak]

I'm not too sure what to look for in this thread

Hmm
It seems like the configs in the thread don't work

[hollow ice]

Basically they are giving settings you can add to the mister ini file to setup the scalar to output a friendly video. The ao486 core does not do direct video; it always goes through the scalar.

[shut oak]

I still get a blank screen

[hollow ice]

Hmm. What is the refresh rate of the display you are using?

[shut oak]

Despite it being a PAL TV, it can display 60Hz NTSC signals just fine it seems

Unfortunately it's a random no-name brand TV that literally has zero results on Google

"Proline"

[hollow ice]

That thread should be the direction to look, but I haven’t really experimented with a DAC and direct video

[shut oak]

If any cores are having compatibility for DAC and Direct Video being developed, I'm always more than happy to test em out, if there's any silver lining

[woven lava]

do you have composite_sync=1 ?

[shut oak]

Yup

[scarlet spear]

It's a supermarket brand if i remember well

"If we are familiar with the brands of the type Brandt, Seb, Bosch, the ProLine brand remains as common and opaque as possible to the general public, so we should have more information on it. The ProLine brand present on the French brands for more than 10 years is the distribution brand of DARTY. This brand offers electric equipment at a small price."

[woven lava]

if you get a blank screen it may signal something else is wrong. Usually I get a very distorted image if the refresh rate is wrong, but something happens

[worldly whale]

That's strange. I've not tried on my MiSTer yet. Flipping to side 2 and disk 3 works on my Mega65, which is basically the MiSTer core.

[frosty cosmos]

As discussed earlier. It was an unstable from 14.10, the latest stable works fine.

[hollow talon]

Has anybody seen a weird bug in ao486 Monkey Island 2 (from 0mhz collection) where the talking in the intro freezes the whole game (including the animation of guybrush swinging) for like a second after each line is spoken?

WELL WELL WELL (PAUSE)
GUYBRUSH THREEPWOOD (PAUSE)
YOU DO TURN UP IN THE STRANGEST OF PLACES (PAUSE)

OH, HI ELAINE (PAUSE)

Is this just how the DOS version was? It's not like this in ScummVM. Not played too much of the rest of the game yet but it seems ok so far apart from the intro.

if it's only in the intro then i can live with it LOL, but just curious if there's a fix nonetheless

[summer dragon]

@hollow talon I’m pretty sure the first game (the newer talkie version) does it too

I tried to see if could mess with configs and fix it but didn’t have any success. I know that someone here had a video of that game on their youtube running on the core from years ago and the delay wasn’t present

that said, I remember testing a bunch of older versions of the core myself and couldn’t find one that didn’t exhibit that bug

[shut oak]

I mean some other cores result in a blank image, like the X68000

I think to my recollection

[shy imp]

ao486 and x68000 give out funny signals to crts as far im aware

[frosty cosmos]

X68000 is a bit special with its 24KHz modes and generally exotic resolutions. Some games though even work on a normal consumer CRT TV.

[wheat folio]

That era of PCs gave out funny signals in general but the CRTs were at least designed to expect them. Usually.

[granite umbra]

Update core FMR-50 and FMTowns (use 2nd sdcard for SDSCSI)
http://fpga8801.seesaa.net/article/519747422.html

[lunar trellis]

Oh jesus, I thought we were long past cores needing the second SD slot

[wheat folio]

a tale of souls and second sdcard slots eternally told

[exotic prairie]

fm towns needed the power of 2 SD cards to boot*

*I am not sure if it boots

[lunar trellis]

FMR-50 is basically Schrodinger's core at this point

If there is a new FM Towns .rbf it can go in the WIP DB though, if someone has it

[frosty cosmos]

I think this FM Towns core is dead. Nothing comes out of since the last few for years. It probably needs another approach.

[granite umbra]

I didn't try them

[mossy compass]

The Second SD card slot isn't even populated on my IO board 🤣 I thought they were planning to remove it's support on the last few cores that still use it?

[bitter yoke]

2026 bringing back the second sd slot

I don't think I ever actually used that slot

[mossy compass]

2026 seems to be bringing back a lot of things people thought we had left behind for good

.... like gpus and laptops with 8 gigabytes of RAM...

[fleet cave]

yeah, puu doesn't really keep up with the outside world, at least mister-wise

[elder cove]

Does it improve compatibility at all by using that slot? Or is it just second-SD drive support?

[lunar trellis]

My memory is that the second SD slot was used years ago for a few obscure computer cores that meant that you needed a card in the second slot for reading and writing to the virtual HDD for the system, but every core that was originally coded this way was refactored to use the main SD card like everything else. That is my memory anyway. Pretty sure most people don't even have the second slot on their iO board, was that not removed by Sorg years ago?

[fleet cave]

there are still pins dedicated to it, but I'm not sure if there's an actual sdcard slot installed on most i/o boards

[short compass]

No one uses that second sd slot

Just sickos

I recall a while back that it could’ve been possible to have some form of analog out and dual ram if it wasn’t for that damn useless second slot

[modest skiff]

Take a look at Monkey Island 2 that I created a while back using DOS Container for the ao486. I recorded the intro one with Adlib and MT32.
https://youtu.be/_sAO4OCWgww

[hollow talon]

hmm yes that is defintely how it SHOULD be but not how it is with the version i'm using from 0mhz DOS collection. I've tried both adlib and MT32.

did you change any settings in ao486? I'm just using the defaults. Only other thing i can think of is you have a slightly different build or DOS config of Monkey Island 2

it could be something to do with how the author of the 0mhz version installed it

[hollow ice]

How long ago did you record that?

Does the 0mhz version use the cd? Does yours?

[hollow talon]

This is the full file tree of my monkey 2 vhd file from 0mhz

it would be good to compare and see what's different

[modest skiff]

I recorded the video today. The link to my VHD is in the video description.

[hollow talon]

oh cool. i didnt see the link. checking it out now

[hollow talon]

yep that talkie version is perfect, thanks!

dang i just noticed the same issue with Monkey Island 1. No talkie version in your mega link 🙁

[modest skiff]

Thanks, I'll look into the Monkey 1 Talkie.

[hollow talon]

there's one on internet archive but it's not MT32

[mossy compass]

IIRC it also accessed the SD card directly like a raw atorage device instead of using image files right?

[lunar trellis]

Yeah I think so

[mossy compass]

How? There are 5 pins dedicated to it according to Zakk. The analog output uses.... A LOT more than that.

[lunar trellis]

I don't remember exactly how second SD worked but it was exorcised from all the old computer cores using it, and I don't think there is any upside to cores utilising it. Maybe Alan or one of the seasoned computer core Devs knows more.

[hollow ice]

It is direct access so wouldn’t it avoid some of the issues of main thread contention?

[modest skiff]

Monkey Island 1 Talkie uploaded.

[surreal marsh]

Wasn't there a program that let you copy your SD that used the slot?

[sterile ether]

does someone have fmr-50 roms please ?

[void belfry]

no (see some more discussion on the subject bit above #1047332497492553799 message)

[fast kraken]

no the script you're thinking of required a usb sdcard reader for the target card

[woven lava]

the 2nd SD card slot is directly connected to the FPGA

having it helps port some cores that expect direct access, though I'm sure there's a way to replace that logic

[short compass]

I’m not sure. Patchy memory, but maybe it was CBVS and dual ram? I think VGA was out of the question.

Anyone else remember this? Maybe a couple of years ago?

Either way, it got Sorg’d. Probably for the best. The guy knows his stuff.

That said. I’d take a composite only Dual RAM’d MiSTer in a heart beat

[mossy compass]

"Got Sorg'd" 🤣

[short compass]

His priority is computers though so it makes sense

[mossy compass]

Yeah, if you could somehow get composite out by repinning that it would be a huge win since that is how most consoles on it were used back then, that or RF but I don't think anyone is pining for RF anymore

Even many old computers back then used RF or composite

[short compass]

That’s true!

Commodore 64 comes to mind immediately

[mossy compass]

Yup, that was the first I thought of too. I think that was an option for Apple II as well?

Some IBM CGA cards even had it, actually allowed for more colors than over VGA due to the composite signal blending it, though this also lead to blurrier image

[short compass]

I’ve learned to love the blur

In 2018 and 2019 it was all about “razor sharp pixels!” Now I want that composite fuzzzzzzz. I love me some composite.

[mossy compass]

I like it for the effects, but don't like the blurry image it produces

Wish there was a way to selectively only apply it to parts where it was used for effect

[short compass]

Like in the Genesis core? Yeah

[mossy compass]

Kinda like how some Sega Saturn software emulators can replace the checkerboard effect with actual transparency

You familiar with that feature on the saturn?

[short compass]

Not on Saturn, but the Genesis core has that. As some point if there’s room in the FPGA I’m sure it’ll make it to Saturn

In the meantime I’ll use composite.

[mossy compass]

The genesis core has image filtering, this is different

[short compass]

“It’s free anti aliasing”

[mossy compass]

The Saturn was very very limited in things it could render actually transparent, so it still had to rely heavily on those composite effects while the PSX and N64 could actually do it well

[exotic prairie]

im pretty sure the sd card slot is still on stock 9.2 boards

[mossy compass]

So it had a built in function to render something as a checkerboard pattern, drawing only every other pixel. The actual asset was a solid object, the GPUs could just only render every other pixel if you told it to.

[short compass]

It is, can confirm

[exotic prairie]

the 2nd slot, i should say

[mossy compass]

Because of this, some software emululators can intercept that command and use the pc's GPU to render said solid asset as an actual transparent object

It's missing on my Mister PI 9.2 board, it has pads for it, but it's not poulated with a slot

There is no space on the case for it either

[short compass]

I see what you’re saying. Texture vs filter. I think that’s pretty cool!

Oh maybe I’m mis remembering? I’ll take a look at my 9.2 real quick. It’s in an OG PCB case so the slot is there but maybe not populated?

[mossy compass]

Yeah, you can have an actual solid sprite and render it as a checkerboard so the composite signal would blend that transparent simnlar to the waterfalls in Sonic on Genesis, but since the actual sprite in that scenario is a solid object it's possible to intercept that command and render it as an actual transaprent bject, not needing to filter the entire image

You can even see in the images of the RR 9.2 board that the space for teh slot is there, but there is no slot soldered in

https://retroremake.co/products/mister-av-pro-v9-2

[short compass]

Well I’ll be damned. There is no secondary SD slot…

Was that removed for 24bit?

[mossy compass]

I think it was removed for cost saving since it's pretty obselete

[short compass]

I just looked at mine too. Mine is from Legacy Pixels/Poobah

[mossy compass]

Like I said, the pads are there, I assume it works if you solder one in

[short compass]

Hmm so are the IO still claimed to an empty slot?

[mossy compass]

Would have to be

There's like, one core that still optionally supports it I think? At this point I feel they can be better used for something else

Apparently though it's only 5 pins

[short compass]

Damn. I’d love to see that used for CBVS lol

Color data would have to start as RGBHV though wouldn’t it? Is it even possible to get CBVS from 5 pins?

[mossy compass]

I don't even know what CBVS is

Don't forget, we would need audio too if the purpose of using those for analog is to go dual-ram, because the standard analog audio would also be disabled

[short compass]

Oh I forgot about that! My dual mister is setup to use optical so I didn’t even think of that

Yeah, that’s probably definitely a no go then.

Is that 3.5mm optical only then when in dual ram?

It must be… that must’ve been why I went the optical route in that setup. I can’t even remember

[mossy compass]

IIRC all analog audio is disabled

So two of the pins would need to be for audio if it went that route, leaving three of them left for video (assuming ground can be connected to somewhere else)

Though I don't think it would work at all, since the video signal the FPGA sends out is digital and converted to analog in the I/O board, AFAIK none of the cores output an analog signal across any of teh pins

Don't think any of them even do any analog video processing in the core, if they do then maybe that can be connected to one of those pins

[short compass]

Yeah, seems out of the question. I likely misremembered that CVBS stuff!

[mossy compass]

The problem is even if it is repurposed, not sure what if anything those 5 pins can be used for

[short compass]

Added SNAC pins maybe? It would put us at 13 pins. Would really only benefit Neo Geo which uses 11 of its 15 pins I think? Maybe Jag? Does jag use all 15?

[hollow talon]

huge thanks!

[terse totem]

A small update on my little project. At this point my implementation of 68030 based on tg68k passes most WinUAE cputests, the exceptions are moves.b, moves.w, moves.l, rte. The rest passes. Of course, that doesn't test the MMU, and there I still have some bugs in PMOVE. (MMU is still not working)
Changes from tg68k are outlined in README.md
https://github.com/apolkosnik/Minimig-AGA_MiSTer/blob/030_mmu/rtl/tg68k/README.md

[surreal marsh]

Does this mean we'll be getting a pcjr option? (Or I haven't looked at it in a while, does it already have one)

Granted there aren't that many programs which depend on the specific details of a pcjr as opposed to Tandy.

[wet monolith]

that is some great progress! At what clockspeed do you think the core could run the 68030?

[terse totem]

It's the same as the tg68k 020

[gloomy void]

I am working on a new PCjr-specific core. When I know something, I will report it. Keep an eye on the misterfpga forum.

[wet monolith]

Is there a limitation to go above 32 MHz?

[wet monolith]

I have a TF536 in my Amiga 500 at 50Mhz and was wondering if the core could be set up to that speed.

[hollow ice]

thank you for that

[surreal marsh]

I would think pcjr would be an option for Tandy, like you have Atari 800 as an Atari option which changes some ports.

[gloomy void]

That's another possibility in this case, yes. I'll think about it. First, let's see if I can get it to work properly, which has its challenges.

[scarlet spear]

Having a separate core is best from an user POV. Avoid you to juggle between configs. If it doesn't bother the dev (cause it makes more core to compile), then i see no point in encouraging to merge...

[terse totem]

It doesn't matter, at least on the Minimig core.

[undone walrus]

hi everybody i'm a newcomer to this page but i hope somehow, someone will help me find a way to help me!
i' d like to know how to play with an ''ISO" file on the AO486 core i dunno how to mount it and proceed to get it working
the game is a french point and click kind of named "le cauchemar de PPD" (PPD's nightame) that worked on win95 or 98 on 2cds back then so i guess it probably not too dificult to install it on the mister so please if someone has the time to help i would be wonderful!!!!

merci a tous thanks to all of you!!!

[mossy compass]

While you can technically install dinows 95 on the AO486 core, it's really not meant for it, it's more for DOS and Windows 3.1 software

Have you even installed Windows 95 first?

[bitter yoke]

There are templates for windows 95 on an archive

Installing it on MiSTer is a pain in the ass last time I did it

Le Cauchemar de PPD is probably better suited for windows 3.1 from my brief google search anyways

[safe quest]

Mid '90s PC stuff is ridiculously hard to pin down. The "typical" configuration was moving pretty fast due to a mix of something like "nobody successfully standardized graphics accelration under DOS" mixed with "DirectX 5 hadn't settled yet".

[mossy compass]

I remember a demo I liked playing on W95 that came with like, DX2 or 3

[fast kraken]

the windows version of broken sword runs a lot better than the dos one

thats the only game i ended up putting on that windows image though

[undone walrus]

no so far i didn't try to install win95 because i saw that for most games and especially those like duke nukem and such, that doesn't run on a optimal way ...still i thought for games like "cauchemar de PPD" that probably doesn't demand a lot of power to play but as peoples said "it's a pain in the ass" to intall it on this core

[undone walrus]

so, if by any chances i managed to install it it' d be not as enjoyable as on a real pc ?

[undone walrus]

so you mean that it doesn't worth the hard time put on to install on the mister?

[wet monolith]

Sorry I dont understand. It doesn´t matter in regards to what? You mean the clockcyckles doesnt affect the Minimig core any any effect?

[short finch]

I think I understand why there's this sudden demand to play Le Cauchemar de PPDA.
I saw that MsMeeea (a well-known French YouTuber) released a video on YouTube last night about this game.

I got this game when it was released; the box says it can be run from the CD-ROM on Windows 3.11 with a 486SX/DX @ 33MHz + 8MB EDO RAM.
But you're limited to 256 colors with that.
To play it normally, you would need a Pentium 90MHz with 16MB of EDO RAM, as well as Windows 95.

[copper slate]

lol it’s always a YouTuber

[short finch]

You can try with a full working Win 3.11 VHD on the core but don't expect something really useful.

[copper slate]

“why is this game suddenly popular?”
“why did this game’s price spike 1000%?”

“why did the YouTuber call it a hidden gem after buying 200 copies of it and put it on his eBay store?”

[short finch]

This can also be explained by nostalgia and a resurgence of interest in "Les Guignols de l'Info" in France, a flagship program in the 1990s and early 2000s. It satirized national and international politics during that period and was one of the most-watched programs in France for almost ten years.

One could almost say that it is part of French popular culture of the 90s.

So video games derived from this universe are in demand by a French-speaking audience, also out of nostalgia for a satire that has not been seen on television for some years.

[terse totem]

If it's a game or a super old demo that only works on 68000, then you have fx68 for it. For anything else, it should work ok under WHDLoad, unless it's been written to run on 68060.

[wet monolith]

Got it, thanks for your work. The Amiga is one of the best uses I have with MiSTer. Thank you 🙏

[scarlet spear]

Or it could be because the first episode is now being well emulated on the CDI core.

[safe quest]

I mean that it's hard to predict how well it will work without someone actually trying it.

[short finch]

First game I finished on the core.
So much memories !

[undone walrus]

euh non non pas du tout je ne savais meme pas qu'un youtubeur avait fait une review sur ce jeu and quite frankly if you can play that well and sharp on "les guignols de l'info" on the CD-I core it's a little because of me ...you can ask @kindred radish he'll tell to all of you that's the only reason why i wanna play "CAUCHEMAR DE PPD" because this game doesn't exist on the cd-i ...i'm 42 i'm french and i knew this games since my college years. too bad it's so difficult to play on this core tho!😩

[mossy compass]

Not sure you understand what the core is. It's just simulating a made up 486 based system, granted a heavily overclocked one with far more RAM than a 486 would have had, but it's more or less like using a standard 486 PC.

Which means you need to format the drive, install an OS, etc etc. It's not Dosbox where you just load a game and it has an environment setup

You can have multiple HDD images too, so you can have one that's just DOS, one that's Windows 95, etc

It's not just one single virtual drive that you are stuck with

Also, I don't have 16MB of EDO RAM, can I just use Meiji or Taisho RAM?

[undone walrus]

no i have just installed the 300 best roms collection but i started way back when i was a teenager on a 133mhz fujitsu computer with win95 on it ... i never managed to use win 3.1 or MS-DOS so that's the reason why i asked some help for install this game ...because you can't just mount the ISO file and then play with it, besides if win95 or win 3.1 is a must have ..i'd rather have it on french ... so forgive me i'm a noob on this one ....sorry ,still if there is a way to install it let me know 😍 merci beacoup

[mossy compass]

You mean the 0Mhz collection intended for mister? Or was whatever collection you downloaded intended for something else?

[ruby charm]

Wow, the IIgs core sounds SO much better now! 😮

You guys try "The Immortal". What a music! And "California Games". Incredible how sweet the IIgs sounds...

[undone walrus]

my bad indeed the 0Mhz collection

[undone walrus]

excuse me pal is the IIgs core fontional ? what kind of rom name you use ? does it have vhd image with rom pack ?

[mossy compass]

The 0MHz collection should be pre-setup

[undone walrus]

everything works fine on it

[mossy compass]

So... what's the problem?

[undone walrus]

ain't no problem .. i ve just mentionned the 0mhz collection because everything is ready to use without too much knowledge to get it work... because i'm a noob on this core and i couldn't use it without help to install games or for that "cauchemar PPD"case especially

[mossy compass]

the 0MHz collection is just meant to have a curated automatically-working set of games

If you want to use your own games, you cna either modify that collection to add your own entries, or start over with your own OS install

You would basically need to set it up like you would be setting up a brand new 486 system with no OS installed

[undone walrus]

@mossy compass wow too complicated for me !!!

[undone walrus]

i don't have the skils to do that

[mossy compass]

There are many guides on how to

It's even easier if you want to setup Windows 95 since then you don't have to setup dos

[undone walrus]

thanks for helping me so far ..maybe one day things will be a lil more simple 😆 merci my friend

[bitter yoke]

There is a windows 95 template on archive org

[mossy compass]

Right, there are also pre-setup templates

[bitter yoke]

That would be easiest, just mount the vhd and iso or whatver and install

[undone walrus]

you mean the win 95 template akuma talks about?

[bitter yoke]

Probably

Just search windows 95 template mister and you'll find it

[undone walrus]

sure thing thanks a lot 👍

[undone walrus]

@bitter yoke @mossy compass i wanna thank both of you for taking the time to help me !!!
thanks guys 🫶 it works !!!!!!

[short finch]

Perfect!

[echo bramble]

Has anyone had issues with the Apple II core as of late? I've got a good feeling the issue is on my side, but I'm running out of ideas to troubleshoot here. I can't remember the last time I had it running -- within the last year or so -- but it's no longer loading software. I've removed the core, the configs, ran update_all again to pull everything down fresh, and validated the various software I'm trying to run (that I know worked previously) isn't corrupt in a standalone emulator on my PC.

When it boots, it just sits at the Apple //e screen, no prompt. Inserting the disk causes the USER LED to illuminate briefly, and then nothing. Pressing F2 to get to the prompt and entering PR#6 also results in the USER LED illuminating briefly, but again nothing after that.

I don't see any related issues on the GitHub page either.

Actually I may have stumbled onto it. Something definitely changed since the last time I used this core though. Renaming the extension from .do to .dsk has the software booting automatically now, where it used to work as-is.

[echo bramble]

Is the expectation that all .do files need to be renamed to .dsk now? Looking at how much I'm going to have unzip/bulk rename/rezip...

[waxen nymph]

I may have messed that up when I added write support for DSK to mister main - let me know what you figure out.

[shut oak]

Are there any display drivers for AO486 that allow Windows 95 (or 3.11) to display in 1280x1024?

[copper slate]

Pins uodated

[hollow ice]

@void belfry careful running os/2 https://x64.ooo/posts/2024-12-22-os2-retro-hack/

[void belfry]

That I have to **DEFINITELY ** try lol. IF I (or anyone else) can solve the PPP issue on OS/2 first.

[echo bramble]

Hey thanks for reaching out --

I spent some time looking into this and what I found is neither .do nor .po software is booting for me with the latest stable core (v241226). Renaming them to .dsk allows them to boot, and software that already had a .dsk extension also boots successfully. For .nib software, they also boot fine as-is without renaming.

I'm not intimately familiar with Apple II formats but my understanding was some of these aren't interchangeable, so I did not try renaming anything to .nib since renaming to .dsk was working in all cases.

.do broken
.po broken

.dsk working
.do -> .dsk working
.po -> .dsk working

.nib working

If you'd like I can submit a bug report in the repo.

[waxen nymph]

Nib is not the same as dsk. The miser main converts the dsk to nib and back again

Feel free to add a bug report. I need to look at that when I add the dsk and po support for iigs. I will try to clean it all up

[echo bramble]

Sure thing will do, and thanks for the explanation. Appreciate it!

[proud crest]

.dsk technically encompasses DOS 3.3 and ProDOS. But today it's used for DOS generally.
.do is a dsk in DOS
.po is a dsk in ProDOS

So probably the do and po mappings are just missing, they should redirect to dsk which can determine which OS is used

[waxen nymph]

i must have broken that somehow when i updated everything

[hollow estuary]

Is there an os/2 image archived anywhere?

[void belfry]

Not that I know/created. I was asked the same question on my YT channel, I am playing with the idea to create some OS/2 (different versions) images. But first I want to search/test some more VGA drivers and if hopefully to find out why PPP is crashing

Also was told ppl encountered issues creating an OS/2 VHD from scratch, so I want to re-check the whole process (even if my old OS/2 VHDs are working fine)

[hollow estuary]

I was thinking about making one but also I'm lazy and was hoping something got uploaded since I last looked 😅

[copper slate]

Hey you beautiful 0mhz people, here’s a wacky one that might interesting to do - https://youtu.be/KJ2C0ek2uaM

omg it’s by the Journeyman Project studio

[jaunty iron]

It's also on the playstation, but the video quality is MUCH worse

[copper slate]

Oh damn I didn’t know, that’s awesome

[worn wyvern]

Sieg John!

[hollow estuary]

I guess I'm doing this now 😁

Hmm, how do you make the floppy have no image mounted?

Ah nvm got it

[hollow estuary]

Dammit, OS2 doesn't like my disk image for the rodent driver

That's weird, OS2 won't even format the disk image

[hollow estuary]

Ugh so close. I selected "Ignore the error and continue" which copyed something but I guess that's not enough

[hollow estuary]

I ended up mounting the VHD under Linux and copied in RODENT.SYS that way. It loaded successfully finally, heck yes

[shut oak]

I found a strange issue with MisterFS (AO486 Core), and I'm not 100% certain of its cause, but it seems like if a filename is long enough, it just doesn't show up at all on the shared drive. I tried adding some midis and a desktop wallpaper bitmap and they didn't show up at all. The wallpaper was initially named "WALLPAPER.bmp" but after renaming it to "Test4.bmp" it showed up in the shared drive

[void belfry]

because DOS limitation to max 8 characters for filename and max 3 for extension

[void belfry]

nice 😄 saw your message too late to send you the floppy image with mouse driver

[hollow estuary]

I borked my setup so I'm doing it again but I think I have a path forward for decent video drivers

[void belfry]

hope you find some, i remember i tried several and none worked

vga drivers and making PPP to work is where I hit the wall

tried also SIO serial drivers, no change

[shut oak]

Oh? Does it not truncate the names automatically? I could've sworn it did.
I also noticed that when trying to view the drive in Windows 95, the "MiSTer" drive is visible, but accesing it just get some randomized corrupted files and folders that change name and size everytime you refresh the window

[hollow estuary]

If I do manage to get damn OS/2 working properly I'll be sure to make some weird 0mhz OS/2 game VHDs

[void belfry]

yes, the driver does not support LFN. Same thing goes for windows accessing LFN content on cd isos, because of the DOS driver)

[void belfry]

gonna re-do some of VHDs also over the weekend , to have some clean templates, my old installs are full with a lot of crap

actually never tried gaming other than mahjong or some other included games on OS/2

[void belfry]

Also for file transfer on OS/2 vhd , you can also mount it as secondary VHD with a DOS one and use MiSTerFS to copy around files, especially if you have some file manager like Dos Navigator, Norton/Volkov Commander and such becomes much easier

it's a FAT partition after all (same for MSX cores ones, though that is fat12 iirc)

and as a side note, MiSTerFS will also work on NT 4, IF the OS was installed on FAT partition and not NTFS. Just select MS-DOS on boot menu and run it manually (it won't work when NT is loaded)

[void belfry]

don't remember if I did that under OS/2 ver 3, but iirc I could format/read/write on a floppy under Warp. But that was 3 years ago lol. * Noted to check this aspect as well*

anyway, feel free to DM me with your finds, I'm also digging up my old notes on this topic lol

[mossy compass]

And on the Apple Pippin! Though, the game also apparently really sucks XD

[worn wyvern]

I heard it's known as a kusoge in Japan. Not surprised with the cheesy voices and odd pronunciation of "Zeon". How the heck did they get "Zon" from that?

[hollow estuary]

Welp well I think I've hit a dead end. I was trying to apply a fixpak to OS/2 Warp 3 (which takes aaaaage) but after its done I hit this error and my install is toast. The Fixpak is a requirement for the Scitech SNAP drivers for OS/2 which I was hoping would get us working video drivers.

[hollow ice]

Interesting, I wonder if that is the standard ide issue we have been seeing.

Can you, by chance, copy the old driver forward to that image in a vm?

[hollow ice]

https://www.os2site.com/sw/upgrades/warp3/fixpack42/readme.tip

There is a section covering that problem

[reef gale]

I mean, Zeon is basically a made up word. It was (probably) supposed to be reminiscent of "Zion" as in the poetic word for Jerusalem (or a holy land in general). AFAIK the only major examples of English-language Gundam content that existed before this game:

1. The PC-88 Gundam adventure game
2. Some of hot Scramble
3. Fredrick Shodt's first edition of the Gundam Novel Trilogy

Zon isn't the worst choice if you're trying to avoid sounding like either "Zion" or "Jon".

[hollow ice]

If my theory is correct about why ide is failing, you can try skipping to the disable read ahead. That should be the issue (although not saying that other changes aren’t contributing)

If that does fix it, let me know because that might be enough motivation for me to actually try to finally get the stupid ide support working in real operating systems.

[hollow estuary]

🤔 could this be fixed by changing to from IBMS506 to danis506?

I'm assuming this is the section?

   4.9 "OS/2 IS UNABLE TO OPERATE YOUR HARD DISK OR DISKETTE DRIVE"

   CMD640 EIDE PCI chipset. This is caused by the use of FixPak-level
   IBM1S506.ADD and IBMIDECD.FLT drivers without the corresponding CMD640
   drivers being added to CONFIG.SYS.

   Workaround: Add CMD640.ADD and CMDATAPI.FLT entries to CONFIG.SYS per the
   instructions in README.1ST ("UPDATING SYSTEMS WITH THE CMD CHIPSET").

[hollow ice]

Yeah, but it should be a generic driver since the emulated ide controller is a piix4?

And the readahead is disabled by that specific driver, so you can’t just do it generically from what I see in that file. I guess going back to the older driver is the path (if that works)

[hollow estuary]

Hmm, another suggestion is adding /FL to IBMS506.ADD, think I'll try that first

Unless that's what you're talking about disabling readahead? I'm not seeing anything specifically mentioning that

[hollow ice]

Fix Description:

To fix data problems with the RZ1000 and CMD640 chips, disable Read-ahead
mode in the OS/2 IBM1S506.ADD and CMD640X.ADD device drivers. These are
generic device drivers which fix all the above releases and are
compatible with systems that DO NOT use the RZ1000 or CMD640x chips.

The new IBM1S506 device driver detects the RZ1000 and disables read-ahead

[hollow estuary]

Stupid question but how do you disable readahead?

[hollow ice]

I have no idea 😆

[hollow estuary]

Haha, ok so its not just me missing things 😄

I'll try the /FL switch and if that doesn't work give DANIS506 and DANIDASD a go

[hollow estuary]

OK, /FL didn't work but switching to DANIS506 for the IDE controller works 🎉

[hollow ice]

Nice!

[hollow estuary]

🤞 hoping this'll work

lol no dice, it crashes on reboot

[hollow ice]

Panorama might work? https://www.os2site.com/sw/drivers/video/panorama/panorama.txt

[hollow estuary]

I'm not sure it will. It sounds like its aimed at more modern video cards than the ET4000

[hollow ice]

https://www.os2site.com/sw/drivers/video/tseng/index.html

[hollow estuary]

I wonder what OS/2 doesn't like about its video card that it won't work with the regular ET4000 driver

[hollow ice]

There are a lot to choose from 😄

[hollow estuary]

I tried the newest ones from 1998, no dice. I think this is where I stop for now, I'm not getting anywhere and its giving me PTSD from trying and failing to get things working on OS/2 back in the 90s 😅

[hollow ice]

Haha, maybe thera will have some luck

[void belfry]

I dunno, tried quite a lot of ET4000 drivers, tried as well SNAP ones and didn't get much success either 🙁 will see in weekend

[hollow ice]

does anyone know where the source to misterfb is?

[fleet cave]

in the kernel, one second

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Linux-Kernel_MiSTer/blob/5c410e935d4f9743d9d71a0d0d796258544eba91/drivers/video/fbdev/MiSTer_fb.c#L2

[patent temple]

*  MiSTer_fb.c -- MiSTer Frame Reader driver

[hollow ice]

oh, of course, why didn’t I look there

[hollow estuary]

Wow, OS/2 Warp 4.0 and 4.52 does not like the MiSTer. I guess Warp 3.0 is as far as we go for now

[granite umbra]

https://youtu.be/QHtrlDyb8cg?si=gRaAj-KVtY7w1IMv

[hollow ice]

getting closer! Can’t wait

sadly, I swear I had found a mostly complete collection of cartridge images a while back, and now I can’t find them anymore

[mossy compass]

They also call the Zaku "Zacks" and plenty of other really insane choices. I just re-watched the Rerez video on it, they really go into detail on how it's a mess. (E.G. One of the scenes that's supposed to just have random text on the screen showing a camera's feed if you zoom into it is actually one of the devs mocking the game)

[hollow ice]

booting up to basic and using my old type in book is something I have been looking forward to for a while

pretty sure they only work with the cartridge basic though?

[gloomy void]

You can download and try this preliminary version here:

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=10134#p104166

[granite umbra]

[sterile ether]

@gloomy void hi thanks for your work on old pc core side
i'll try to boot pcjr core
i put [PCjr] main=MiSTer_PCJR in mister .ini with your mister build in PCJr folder but only get a black screen with blink cursor on top left ...
i have bios.rom on folder too
can you help me please ?

[gloomy void]

I have the same problem with one I just found on the web (the one with md5 c66......401). It's very interesting, because I'll be able to see what the differences are in order to solve other problems... it has something to do with the fact that not all games work. Here's the one that works well.

[sterile ether]

i have take bios file from mame pcjr driver

[copper slate]

Please don’t share md5 checksums, those are copyrighted

lol I can’t fool @sterile ether

[exotic prairie]

Hey @gloomy void - Just to be clear, that bios is built from the open sourced version, yeah? We just have to be careful with copyrighted stuff. https://github.com/philspil66/IBM-PC-BIOS

[gloomy void]

Wow! I had no idea MD5s were copyrighted. Now I know... I think I know what the problem is. Partially deleted MD5s, and attachments too

[copper slate]

Wait no, I was kidding. Oh shit

[ruby charm]

He was joking... @copper slate Maybe you should thinkn those jokes twice

[copper slate]

I’m sorry!

AHHHHH IM SORRY

[gloomy void]

xD

[copper slate]

HAHAHA

I got reverse trolled!!!!

[ruby charm]

Oh, so did I 😄

[gloomy void]

Don't worry, I already have the clue and will soon publish another version of the core.

[ruby charm]

@gloomy void Nos la has colao, macho! 😄

[gloomy void]

I just replaced the core RBF (PCjr_20260131.rbf), which fixes a problem with some versions of the PCjr BIOS. Now, in principle, they all work. I thought it would solve the problem of some games not loading, such as Boulder Dash, but that wasn't the case... I'll have to keep looking. It's available in the first thread of the forum... without MD5s or attached BIOS so there are no copyright issues @copper slate 😜

[hollow ice]

So, can you set memory to 128? I seem to remember some things breaking when we added more memory to our pcjr

[copper slate]

Ok real talk, is the PC Jr. cool?

[gloomy void]

It's very niche, but it's true that it has interesting games dedicated to its graphics, such as Boulder Dash.

[gloomy void]

Thanks for the suggestion. Let's see if I can solve the important problems first and then we'll look at other things, such as what you mentioned, cartridges, tape, etc...

[hollow ice]

Oh, it was just a suggestion for the boulderdash issue.

Not a request for features yet.

And this was a long time ago, for all I know my parents had the Tandy mod done when the memory was expanded. We didn’t get a sidecar, so I have no idea what was done to it.

Sadly the computer is long gone, so I have no way of knowing.

[terse totem]

Inching forward

Wait. I'm European... Centimetering forward

[granite umbra]

Great 👍

[gloomy void]

It may be the case in some instances, and in fact, I find a memory selector very interesting. However, I use PCem as a reference, and with it there is no problem whatsoever with 640Kb and loading Boulder Dash, so it's time to investigate...

[gloomy void]

We continue to make progress, and Boulder Dash now loads without any issues. Available in the PCjr_20260201.rbf release:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gIh4aNX7K8

[elder cove]

Definitely the thing that comes to mind for me on that platform are many of the original versions of Sierra’s titles, especially King’s Quest 1, which was first released specifically with the PCjr in mind.

[copper slate]

Ohhhhhh that’s awesome

[elder cove]

The PCjr also natively supported cartridges, one of the few IBM PCs to do so. However, only a few games were released during its retail lifespan this way (notably Pitfall II, River Raid, Demon Attack, and ScubaVenture).

[dreamy comet]

It was a relatively normal MS-DOS PC. With some kind of an enhanced cga card

[copper slate]

I don’t think I ever had one? My dad worked for IBM as general manager so we only had IBM PCs lol

But i dint remember PC Jr

[rocky sedge]

not really

[surreal marsh]

They originally sold it with a chiclet keyboard. Probably to nerf it so it wouldn't compete with higher end PCs. It was really derided and eventually IBM replaced them with regular keyboards.

It did have enhanced graphics and sound which was cloned as Tandy, which was a lot more wuccessful than the PCjr itself.

[mossy compass]

Tandy... isn't that owned by Radio Shack?

Or was I guess

[surreal marsh]

Yes.

[waxen nymph]

without a cable - the keyboard was IR with an optional cable i believe

[woven lava]

I forgot but what are the major differences between PC Jr and Tandy?

I know Tandy has some expansions

think the color palettes are also different?

and the PC Jr has cartridge ports?

https://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2012/06/ibm-pcjr-and-tandy-1000-games.html

all my questions answered ^

TL;DR: there are several games that rely on PC Jr specific hardware to activate the extra colors and sound, or even to decide to run at all (copy protection)

[void belfry]

with the help of Q87 🙂

My previous try with 3D Studio failed, but lately I stumbled upon a spanish 🦜 iso from the 1996 with a lot of the era CAD products and decided to give it a spin with Q87 fpu emu

[thick pendant]

I think it come with a roller coaster animation you can render

[rocky sedge]

I wonder if it would be possible to add 8087 support to the xt core

[void belfry]

Will check after this robot thingie render, but I have no clue operating this 😄 I just hit render region and selected camera1

still rendering at this (~30 mins for now)

[thick pendant]

I been playing around with Lightwave on Amiga, but not really gotten where I can do much with it yet.

[void belfry]

47 mins for this

[thick pendant]

well, its something anyway... not sure what

3D studio was said to have more of a learning curve then contemporary programs...

[void belfry]

apparently this 😄

[thick pendant]

some sort of droid

[void belfry]

AutoCAD 13 doesn't work, but ver 12 already is confirmed working, will see about the rest

[thick pendant]

I took AutoCAD in college... bought 80287. Most people tried to get by with the FPU emulator

[granite umbra]

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2017776441652654169

nand2mario (@nand2mario)

Yes. A voodoo RTL implementation would be great.

Quoting Ian Hanschen (@furan)
︀
you can guess what I'm working on.
︀︀you'll probably be right.

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[thick pendant]

It did work with the emulator, however, not well.

[void belfry]

Works fine on ao486, at least to what I know to click 😄 rendering times were ok too

[void belfry]

not bad for 15 mins

The way I made it work (besides running QEMM and Q87) after default install :
⁨⁨cfig.bat C:⁩⁩
then
⁨⁨3ds.exe vibcfg ⁩⁩
from the installation folder and set the main, materials and render displays like this:

will update the forum post later, want to try some more CAD stuff for a bit

[void belfry]

Autodesk Animator Pro v1.3a for DOS also running with the help of Q87, animations loads and plays very fast as far as I can tell (again, zero exp on what these would run on real HW )

[void belfry]

and the 3rd win for Q87 (for this evening) is MicroStation 5.0 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroStation):

It runs quite fine, at least on loading/plotting. Trying to see if it can also do some 3D render and how much time it takes on ao486

hah, it's rendering 😄

[void belfry]

Rendering takes from 10mins to an hour, depending on complexity, but it does the job. Also updated the forum post https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=6639

Also, tested last night Visio 4, works nice on NT (not related to Q87 but still nice to see)

[void belfry]

For fun, I exported one of my modern Visio diagrams to WMF (windows meta file) and then imported the "huge" 80 megs wmf file on Visio 4.
Converting back took about an hour or so (it was indeed a big map lol) and with just minor errors on some modern shapes (only 3 or 4) the resulting diagram was absolutely identical and could work on it as fine as on my normal PC (to some extent, as the resulting Visio 4 vsd file was 50 some megs because of converting some shapes/objects to bitmap)

lol, seeing this #general-banter message, I now got Bonzi Buddy working on a sacrificial NT 4.0 vhd 😄

it kept trying to open the PPP connection to communicate with its original server 😄 ofc, i disabled it from start

runs ok (animation-wise), sounds, text-to-speech as well

weird kind of fun, i know 😄

[void belfry]

On a serious note (if I can find any) on this stuff, I chose NT 4 because of the support of LFN, which the sourced iso was full of it. You might probably get it run on W95/98 as well, but yeah, probably not worth the time as it is stable on this

[void belfry]

I actually never had Bonzi crap installed during its time, but damn, I have to admit that **WAS **a fun spyware/adware crap 😄

[mossy compass]

Isn't Bonzi heavily nutered nowadays though because most of it's functions relied on a now dead server?

[void belfry]

ofc, but still I disabled PPP after I saw it trying to dial from time to time 😄

just instinct, i perfectly knew it won't do any harm in reality :)))

and also, even if the server is dead, you can still spoof it to even respond in mimic to what your program/device needed

and again, i am overthinking it, but in my defense, i'm an engineer lol

[mossy compass]

Trust me, I know the feeling. Engineer here too and I way overthink things XD

Though can you even connect the ao486 core online?

[hollow estuary]

Yes via the serial port

[void belfry]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/computer/

[mossy compass]

So you would have to go out of your way to set it up first, it's not like it would have been able to do anything on a standard install

[void belfry]

a lot of cores you can conect online, either via serial modem or ppp over srial and in some fringe test cases even SLIP with some mods

[mossy compass]

What... can you even do anymore with those though?

Most DOS era stuff would have been for dialup, and few sites work even on xp anymore, much less 3.1 or 95, the game servers are all gone too

[void belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/pills-drugs-medicine-blue-pill-red-pill-gif-12463860

[mossy compass]

? I don't understand how that relates

Also, I can't see that scene and not think of the XKCD comic where the guy just crushed both of them up and snorted them

[void belfry]

and no, DOS had a lot of IPX/SPX and somewhat bit less TCP/IP, but networking was strong in that era too

[void belfry]

I meant it for your "What... can you even do anymore with those though?" reply lol. it is a rabbit'h hole but it is fun

[mossy compass]

Yeah, I know there are a few sites designed to be accessed by old hardware/software like that, but I meant for the most part any modern sites won't work and pretty much all game servers will be down, and the ones that were direct peer-to-peer generally had you dial up someone

Though it would be cool if it could be used to resurrect Silencers XD

[void belfry]

fine, then use it as a reliable traffic generator to enhance your IDS/IPS 😛

[mossy compass]

Huh, there was an attempt to resurrect that game... and it died out

oh well

[void belfry]

👀 exactly 😛 X server in action on MiSTerFPGA #1047332497492553799 message

[hollow ice]

does fastdoom support tcpip?

[void belfry]

As I pointed out, networking part (even "just" over this serial connection we have) can surprise you a lot with its use cases

[void belfry]

don't think it has any networking at all

[mossy compass]

"CPU frequency is _____ MHZ" I don't think kolibri likes the ao486 core 😛

[hollow ice]

I haven’t played any online games on the ao486 core

[void belfry]

online so far only connected, but game froze 🙁 but LAN is perfectly doable

3 LAN connected MiSTerFPGA's (test done by @modest skiff )

[hollow ice]

nice

I used to play warcraft 2 over dialup back then

[mossy compass]

Yeah, can't get it to boot regarldess what I try. oh well

[hollow ice]

Kolibri needs a pentium?

[void belfry]

most probably you can do it with two MiSTer's on LAN , just dialing their IPs

[void belfry]

as @hollow ice , that is for pentium

[hollow ice]

oh, interesting

[mossy compass]

It needs specific instructions from pentium or soething? I thoughtit would just run poorly

[hollow ice]

there is a patch to let it run on 486, but it is in russian

https://board.kolibrios.org/viewtopic.php?t=4615

[void belfry]

it needs to be compiled for 486 without FPU

[hollow ice]

there is a floppy image in that thread too

[void belfry]

see some list of Linux/Unix based OSes I found working (with ot without need of recompiling the kernel to support non-FPU systems)

#1047332497492553799 message

[mossy compass]

I just wanted to try tjhis one because I thought it was nuts that a gui and so many apps were packed onto a single floppy

[void belfry]

and if you search my posts referring to those variants, also the tips and tricks to make them work

[mossy compass]

Any of these notable and not just a cli?

[hollow ice]

interesting, the issue they are complaining about in that forum post sound like what you are talking about….it doesn’t properly detect the cpu frequency and crashes with a divide by 0

(thanks chatgpt)

[void belfry]

fuck Kolibri, go QNX 😛

[hollow ice]

you can try the image that is hosted in that post

[mossy compass]

Yeah, standard boot messages stop at detecting no cpu frequency, if I enable debug messages I see it's stuck in a loop where it caused an undefined exception repeating over and over

[void belfry]

depends, QNX is just fine with its GUI, some others might not, but again depending on the WM used (for example I found AmiWM the most responsive of all on Debian 4)

and some in that list don't have a GUI at all

[mossy compass]

I assumed most did not have a GUI in that list

Just wanted to boot something that would be neat to see other than dos or windows on the core

[void belfry]

it's just 3 or 4, the rest all can have GUI, depends on your patience

[hollow ice]

qnx and os/2 are cool non-dos/windows oses

I can’t remember if I got GEM booting

but it is pretty lacking in wow factor since it was a research os

[void belfry]

then just grab netbsd or debian from archives 🙂

[mossy compass]

... snowdrop works, yay?

XD

[hollow ice]

@void belfry did you get an x86 geos working?

[void belfry]

pfff... think i tried sone years ago, but don't really rememver the outcome

[hollow ice]

or ever try plan9

[void belfry]

plan9 didn't work, that i remember

[hollow ice]

what about amoeba?

[void belfry]

actually tried and ran New Deal Office and such #1047332497492553799 message

not a clue what amoeba is (except the biological one)

[hollow ice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview

[void belfry]

no go

tried that, didn't work whatever i tried

[hollow ice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_(operating_system)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoeba_(operating_system)

[void belfry]

lol, that I didn't know about until now 😄

are there any distribution floppies/isos/code/whatever ?

[hollow ice]

haha, oberon looks like a pain, there is apparently a fork between v3 and v4

native.oberon.org/tutorial1.html

[void belfry]

for real pain try Thoroughbred/OS #1047332497492553799 message

[mossy compass]

The one from Outer Space?

[void belfry]

unfortunately this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs

[mossy compass]

"The name Plan 9 from Bell Labs is a reference to the Ed Wood 1957 cult science fiction Z-movie Plan 9 from Outer Space."

Sure, let's name our operating system after an infamously bad movie, what could possibly go wrong

[reef gale]

Anyone ever get a Tron based OS running?

[void belfry]

got the .dsk file, used rawrite under DOS to write it to on empty floppy image and this apparently boots. Not that I know what to do next, but still..
https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/oberon/ftp.inf.ethz.ch/ETHOberon/Native/StdAlone/

[void belfry]

never heard until now

[reef gale]

It genuinely feels like trying to explain Unix if Unix started with someone writing the POSIX specification instead of Bell Labs

It's an OS, a bunch of protocols, an embedded system standard, and a character set all in one

There's so little documentation on it, I thought it was an elaborate wikihoax

[void belfry]

interesting, found something here http://tronweb.super-nova.co.jp/b-right-vgallery.html and some stuff on archives as well

[void belfry]

Maybe (a huge one) its kernel can be recompiled to support non-FPU 486... but yeah, version 4 at least requires FPU

I am thinking the way I made Slackware/Debian to work: install it on qemu/pcem, recompile the kernel then test on MiSTer. But this in Japanese, and even with google translate it will be hard for me at least

same for v 4.5

[void belfry]

Apparently didn't like qemu (mouse issues) but it boots and probably installs happily on PCEm

[void belfry]

mkey, hit a wall. It installs fine on PCem (probably too on 86box) but it won't boot afterwards (Boot error 3, whateber that is). It will boot on Qemu but same mouse issues (only moving horizontally) at very first screen. It will also boot on ao486 but only to the point where it asks for FPU

[void belfry]

mkey, found some other qemu version that works with this and my install boots just fine with mouse behaving correctly, I could get past those initial screens and set keyboard prefs to Romanji, but then again hit another wall, as I have no clue how to operate this thing and at least open a CLI (if it has one ofc).
Right click opens a menu, but didn't find anything CLI related for now

[void belfry]

at least I managed to open an app that gets you a cat following the mouse cursor all over the screen except the right window

[hollow ice]

Built in to the operating system?! Well, I guess we have a new winner. 😄

[void belfry]

found the CLI :

now what ? 😄

damn, it is also case sensitive 😄

[hollow ice]

Did you try amoeba? Would be interesting if you could get multiple misters working together.

[void belfry]

not yet

[hollow ice]

Case sensitive romaji?

[hollow ice]

Did you try Novell unixware?

[void belfry]

need some source for it, didn't find any on the official site (ftp is down)

[hollow ice]

Wiki page links a shady os archive website

Archiveos

[void belfry]

yeah, a while ago and didn't work for whatever reasons I don't remember 😄

yeah, archiveos sends you to SourceForge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiveos/files/a/amoeba/

i see some files/sources there, but I have not a clue about this and how to make it work

[hollow ice]

Haha, well, as they say, two out of three ain’t bad

Oberon and tron

Two new interesting systems to play with is a pretty good day?

[void belfry]

yeah, getting back to Oberon, it gave an error about either standard IDE or old one, couldn't make past of showing/creating partition step

maybe it will work on qemu at least to try to install it on a vhd

[hollow ice]

Ide issues! My old nemesis

[void belfry]

managed to actually install Oberon 3 on a 20 megs vhd, it seems to work fine at least in pcem, but not on MiSTer. And booting with the floppy it shows same error about driver

[void belfry]

@hollow ice But I could install and run it from within Win NT 4.0 🥳

sourced from here: https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/oberon/ftp.inf.ethz.ch/OberonV4/Windows/

[hollow ice]

but then it isn’t native 😄

[void belfry]

yeah...

[hollow ice]

still, I guess if you want to figure out what it actually is, then that is a good way

[void belfry]

i'm gonna try to start it from amigaOS too lol

[hollow ice]

haha

[void belfry]

and sure enough, it works

[hollow ice]

forget how much better the minimig core looks

[void belfry]

ok, done with programming, office, CAD/fractal/whatever else graphics rendering or anything in-between apps, now it's time for ao486 to also produce it's first video with VideoStudio 2.0 under Win95

[reef gale]

Do you think we'll ever see these computer cores used in production?

[void belfry]

will see what it produces, 3 mins already on save

[void belfry]

well, for sure Amiga and Atari ones can/are used for music production if i am not mistaken

[reef gale]

I was thinking like, industry that is attached to legacy applications

There's gotta be some machine somewhere which is attached to a 386

[void belfry]

Yeah, I follow your train of thought. And working now also with OT industry made me think on tis topic too

[reef gale]

Probably even moreso when you consider that there's a CNC company from Illinois that tied themselves to the PC98 platform

[void belfry]

so for the sake of argument, let's say QNX running on ao486 core. But the main issue will be to interconnect with the rest of environment. Maybe if it is just serial or needs low b/w , PPP or a serial adapter might be used. But again, speculative talk

plus there might be other peripherals connected to other ports (like parallel ) which can have no communication with the fpga

at least for my level of understanding

[reef gale]

Well if QMtech and Hamgeek can make their own DE-10 clones, couldn't a company make a DE-10 clone that's a bit more bespoke and has the ports they need?

[void belfry]

i guess... but then again, I am a noob in this lol plus if there will be a commercial product, someone has to pay a lot of people building watever core and I highly doubt it will be open source afterwards

[reef gale]

Maybe. I was surprised to find out ao486 was BSD licensed. Either way, I could see these companies choosing to open source their shit since the real "magic" is in the hardware that they're selling

[void belfry]

whatever this means 😄

[void belfry]

not to mention those machines in OT environment also often had special proprietary add-on cards, which again, how will it be emulated in fpga ? I mean the effort would be huge IF possible at all

[reef gale]

Sure, but I assume it's gonna be necessary eventually as hardware ages

[void belfry]

Or just upgrade the production line 🙂 most probably it will be cheaper 😄

[reef gale]

CNC machines can be really expensive, and the cost of training people to learn the quirks of the new machine

[elder cove]

Did anyone ever get OpenSTEP working?

If so, could the same methods be used to boot the Apple Rhapsody x86 prototype?

[hollow ice]

No. There is an ide issue.

Once the os is handed off from the bios it can’t access the hard drive anymore- I see the request and the response but the operating system never acknowledges it gets the response.

I think it has something to do with how most oses poll status registers. I have some ideas how to fix it (or at least prove my theory) but I am incredibly lazy

Pretty sure that the flow is out of spec since the arm side controls them and updates through that single thread and updates via spi

Which is also why I believe win32 stuff works using that weird driver that is designed to handle out of spec hardware.

Fixing that would open a wide variety of cool operating systems though, potentially even a modern netbsd

[void belfry]

Amoeba OS runs on ao486 (got the files from here: https://github.com/OSPreservProject/amoeba/tree/master, in the ibm_at folder there are kernels, ramdisk.0 and ramdisk.1 (and some others).
Add .img extension to them and boot them in that order (kernels first, then will ask for ramdisks)

[hollow ice]

Nice! Any idea if it has serial s support so you can make a cluster?

[void belfry]

not a clue 😄

plus I don't have a 2nd MiSTer

Got curious on this one https://github.com/OSPreservProject/nemesis-release from Cambridge (old page https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/srg/netos/projects/archive/nemesis/)

[hollow ice]

So three new operating systems in 24 hours

Technically two since I guess native Oberon didn’t work

[void belfry]

well, just one runs native on MiSTer, Oberon needs Win/Amiga for lift off

[hollow ice]

Amoeba and tron both booted though?

[void belfry]

BTRON still remains an open question if its kernel can be made for non-fpu

[hollow ice]

Oh, I thought you had it running. You were playing around looking at cats following your cursor.

Guess that was qemu

[void belfry]

just Amoeba. Btron I made it run in emulator, including install part and finding CLI

also MSX-GEOS 😄 that was an unexpected find, it's actually a GUI on top of MSX-DOS

in brazilian..

portuguese, sry

[gloomy void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4I34WgY2F4

[karmic fog]

Amazing work!

[robust monolith]

I imagine it would take ages to do the juggler or newtons cradle rendering! @void belfry

[void belfry]

just the static image or a full animation ?

because i did the juggler in povray in like 10 hrs #1047332497492553799 message

[robust monolith]

Ha, my memory! I read that and liked it. Doh! 🙂

[void belfry]

Alzheimer gets to all of us 🫂 /jk

I actually use a lot the from: user function to search my own crap I posted a while ago lol

Anyway, speaking of rendering stuff, Amiga core absolutely smoked ao486 in speed, but the image results were not satisfactory, some noise induced/missing texture/coloring and so on 🙁

[elder cove]

I recently tried the James Schmalz pinball games on the GUS core (Epic Pinball/Extreme Pinball), and they all seem to have their music running at a significantly slower tempo than the Adlib soundtrack. (I believe the Adlib version is the correct speed, because it matches the speed of the soundtrack in the CDDA tracks of the PS1 version of Extreme Pinball.)

[versed pollen]

just looking in history but did you ever resolve this? i notice it in monkey island 1 and the only way i can fix it is turning voices off... if i turn voices off and set it to text only it works fine

with voices on anything that was suppose to animate freezes

[summer dragon]

I swear someone somewhere had it working without the constant pauses. Like I mentioned previously, I know Walrus has an old youtube video of it running fine in the core but I wasn’t able to replicate it. Probably needs a fresh 0MHz pack re-built to try and figure out what could fix it

[versed pollen]

Yea I saw that video and started wondering

[summer dragon]

coulda sworn I saw someone saying they fixed it and then I forgot to follow-up…maybe it was on the forum…

[versed pollen]

gonna look at this ultimate talkie edition being used and see whats up with it and if it fixes...

yea no the talkie edition also has the same issues hmm

[summer dragon]

yeah i believe the ultimate talkie edition is the one in the 0MHz collection

this was actually the last bug Emubastard had asked me to look into shortly before he passed 🙁 too bad it hasn’t been solved yet

[versed pollen]

oof sorry to hear

[summer dragon]

yes he started the 0MHz project. Very sad

[elder cove]

The Ultimate Talkie Edition is a fan made hack/patch of the original game using the dialogue from the Monkey Island 2 Special Edition remaster from 2010. Monkey Island 1 & 2 never originally had talkie versions at retail, and so the voice cast from the later games returned to voice the characters for the remasters.

It was originally optimized for ScummVM, and has always had some minor issues with timing as far as I can find. (I think the last release was designated version 0.2 by the developer.)

The brief game freezes for me, at least, go away after the intro. It’s really only that first interaction between Elaine & Guybrush where they happen, and by the fireside chat with the two pirates, it’s mostly resolved.

Through the rest of the game, though, there is other dialogue where lines feel a bit oddly paced. Generally, to me, this biases towards lines being too fast one after another.

[mossy compass]

Wait, you sure? I have MI2 on my mister and I am pretty sure it has voice acting, evne though I just simply installed it normally and am not using the 0mhz thing

[elder cove]

Yep, the DOS Monkey Island 2 with voice acting was a fan-made patch. Same with the version of Monkey Island 1 that has voice acting.

[mossy compass]

I thought the CD versions had VA

[elder cove]

Nope, just CD music. They tried it with Loom, and that game bombed badly enough that they didn’t try voice acting again in adventure games until the talkie version of Fate of Atlantis.

Dominic Armato’s first performance as Guybrush Threepwood came in 1997’s The Curse of Monkey Island.

[mossy compass]

It bombed? I guess not enough people asked that guy about Loom

Come to think of it, did the CD version of Loom use the standard floppy music, recorded MT-32 renditions, or it's own unique rendition?

[elder cove]

It featured its own arrangement. I think it was still originally recorded using MIDI instruments, but was arranged specifically for the CD release and was different to the MT-32 version.

[mossy compass]

I guess the whole play music notes gimmick was not what people were looking for in a point and click

That's kind of like making a Scumm-based point-and-click game, yet only releasing it on consoles, and not even supporting the mouse accessory that both those consoles had

.... oh wait

[elder cove]

The CD version also cut a decent amount of content to fit the voice acting. Many people also prefer the EGA art, which tends to be more intricate & textured than the high-color redraws.

[elder cove]

Which SCUMM game only released on consoles? I know several games got enhanced or optimized ports which didn’t support mice, but I can’t think of any exclusives.

[mossy compass]

ScummVM claims the game uses it's own engine, but I am pretty certain it was based on Scumm as it behaves very similarly, to the point that it's easy to load the PSX version of the game into ScummVM

It's called Blazing Dragons, apparently based on a cartoon but I had never heard of it. Was relased on the PSX and Saturn, and made you use the d-pad to move a mouse cursor around, didn't support the mice for either version even though both those consoles has a mouse accessory

[mossy compass]

I thought it was MI1 that was known for it's EGA mode, and then only because of that sunset trick?

[elder cove]

Blazing Dragons is its own engine - ScummVM is modular, and supports a number of non-SCUMM engines, including AGI, SCI, Macromedia Director, AGS, Mohawk, Wintermute, Broken Sword, TsAGE, AGOS, Might & Magic, Her Interactive, & more.

[elder cove]

Both are pretty well-known for it. MI1 EGA also has the famous "ten minutes" drowning easter egg if you wait for long enough tied to the idol underwater, which isn't in some of the later versions.

[mossy compass]

I know that ScummVM supports multiple engines and not just Scumm, I am saying that Blazing Dragons appears to be based on Scumm and isn't just it's own engine from scratch

[elder cove]

Interesting - I haven't heard that, but I can ask sev if you're curious.

I'm not aware of it sharing any developers, but it definitely takes influence from the LucasArts game design style. Illusions did that a number of different times, though; 1995's Scooby-Doo Mystery on the Genesis is another example, where they definitely copied the action bar style from Monkey Island.

[mossy compass]

Yeah, it almost feels like a fan made game for scumm

[fast kraken]

i checked the old top300 repo, it was launching MI1 like this:

mt32-pi -m -v
cd talkie
cls
call sysctl sys 30mhz l1-
monkey r1
goto quit

thats a pretty specific sysctl its doing, could be that was tuned for the issue with the voices

[summer dragon]

when I was testing a while ago, I was seeing the issue in both the top 300 pack and the 0MHz pack

[hollow ice]

If anyone is a fan of the c16/plus4, I have a test version. It pulls in the latest Ted from the FPGATed project.

[granite umbra]

what are the changes ?

[hollow ice]

// 1.1 1/10/2019 DMA position counter fixed (videocounter). MMS FLI demos work now. // 1.2 23/05/2020 Burst enable signal added, databus OE signal added // 1.3 7/01/2021 DMA delay fix to improve compatibility with Alpharay (thanks to gyurco). // 1.3.1 24/02/2021 enable hsync and vsync outputs // 1.4 11/09/2022 Adding 16bit digital audio output for PCM // 1.5 19/01/2024 Watchdog 2 was not used for audio channel 2 state reset. Fixed now. Not sure it is needed, to be verified! // 1.5.1 22/02/2024 shiftcount register removed as it was not used // 1.6 27/07/2025 TEST mode feature temporary disabled to improve compatibility // 1.6.1 24/09/2025 Screen's 1 pixel delay is eliminated to get in proper sync with border and background colors // 1.6.2 29/10/2025 $FF06 and $FF07 write fixes to happen correctly at single cycle end (delayed if it happens at double cycle end) // 1.7 08/11/2025 Timer2 bug fixed. False Idols demo works perfectly now! // 1.8 13/12/2025 DMA counter (videocounter) reset position fixed (was line 311, now line 205). TED Vibes demos works now

well, not all of those. I didn't use the 1.4 pcm stuff. The main thing are the demo fixes. FLI doesn't have the odd pixels on the side anymore, ted vibes works.

I can't tell if alpharay is better since I didn't see a problem with the original and I haven't been able to play too deeply into it. The title screen does some tracking aberration things, but.... every video I have seen does that as well.

I plan to update the sid and iec drive code to line up with the c64 core. I need to update the 6502 as well.

The plus4 also added a uart which isn’t currently in the core, so I’ll tackle that last

[reef gale]

I wonder if we'll ever seen a point where ao486 has multiple "profiles" based on what you wanna do with it. Unlike any other platform, a PC could have endless peripherals

[hollow ice]

I imagine that it would have to be different cores, similar to how spark206 is splitting up the xt core.

[fleet cave]

the amiga has profiles, so something like that

[coral coral]

The profiles (configurations I believe it’s called?) in the Amiga core only adds a set of recallable core settings, IIRC, which is all supported by a bunch of legacy code (from the original minimig project) in mister main.

So these days you can achieve the same goal on any core by setting up MGL files.

[fleet cave]

the amiga one has the advantage of not requiring the user to do anything but navigate menus

[hollow ice]

yeah, I was reading that as something like “ao486 with lance eithernet controller” or something or “ao486 with gus”…since we are running up against logic size I would think we would need to conditionally generate multiple cores with different modules enabled?

[neat lintel]

Does someone here know how “.qar” files work?

Can you change the .qar to .rbf and allow the core for that file to work?

[coral coral]

A qar file is an archived quartus project, not a compiled core

[neat lintel]

meaning the core isn’t obviously complete

Or you can’t test those files on your mister

For updates and things

[fleet cave]

it means you have to compile it yourself

(or get an rbf from someone that did)

[granite umbra]

Puu san generally put RBF on the QAR archive file

[neat lintel]

He does? I don’t see it

I also tried inviting him to this discord server, but I can’t post my comment on his website. Weird lol

[void belfry]

wark91 is right, puu-san puts the compiled rbf also in his QAR archive (usually like this, a folder with the version number and subfolder output_files)

[granite umbra]

the directory could be different depending the core ... but the easy way is to search 'RBF' on filemanager 🙂

[void belfry]

Usually I remember this **after **I already launched Quartus and started a fresh compilation 😄

[neat lintel]

have you tested this out on your mister?

The FMR50 RBF file that is

[void belfry]

no, i could not source the BIOS files needed for it's rom (some convo here #1047332497492553799 message)

[void belfry]

and I won't import one from JP just to try to get the bios dumped 😄 at least not for the moment, I have enough fun with my imported MSX and still have A LOT to do for it

[neat lintel]

I’ll have to check this out then!

[neat lintel]

Anyone here know what the files directory for “FMR-50” have to be named to? Just “FMR-50”?

[chilly rain]

there isn't a core named "FMR-50"

the folders in side /games/ are for each core basically

notice how the NES core has an NES folder for NES roms to be put into

[void belfry]

@chilly rain he's asking about the new core of puu-san (http://fpga8801.seesaa.net/article/519047730.html), see also the discussion linked bit above

[chilly rain]

why does puu always put them in a qar lol... he should just use github, would make everyones life easier

[void belfry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly rain]

why even make a core if you don't intend on sharing it in a way that other people typically have access to

[void belfry]

i dunno bro, i'm just european 😄

[chilly rain]

alright time to find the emu module

FMR50.sv

there's your folder name

this is what makes cores look, for the default core name

when you try to load a rom, it will look in /games/FMR50 for this

not FMR-50

[granite umbra]

last updates of Towns and FMR50 required 2nd SD Card for HDD and others files are go to games/FMR50 and games/TOWNS for Towns cores.
FMR-50 we don't have correct bios also so not usable for the moment

[void belfry]

heck, only used 2nd SD once, think it was for ZXnext or something similar. a long time ago for sure

[chilly rain]

2nd sd in 2026 is wild

this seems to be a pet project made for his own testing and not really ready for distribution or other users yeah

i'll wait for someone to bring it into the project when it's working, seems like it doesn't really work yet

[void belfry]

soooo.. who is gonna get a FMR-50 from JP auctions and dump its bios IPL files for the good of humanity's best nerds (that is MiSTerFPGA community) ? 😄

not me atm for sure, not because of money (i saw FMRs actually very cheap) but of lack on others H/W means to dump the good stuff

[neat lintel]

Exactly lol

[chilly rain]

yeah my advice would be to wait till it becomes usable, dont' worry about it for now, it's like an early wip core

[void belfry]

it is what it is, we don't really have many devs on those systems (JP docs might not be easily obtained/understood)

[lunar trellis]

Anyone with more energy than I do can feel free to go read the FM Towns thread and post answers to every one of the questions here, that I (and others) answered over and over... Only for the same people to ask the same questions again here... When they had read the answers before...

The Puu cores are all in the WIP DB btw, although best of luck using them in any meaningful way.

[exotic prairie]

Anyone had a FMR50 bios? I can't get games to load

[neat lintel]

I’m at fault for this to be fair

[lunar trellis]

Yes. Yes you are. You already knew the answers to all the questions you asked.

[chilly rain]

Haha it's okay. We all do this from time to time.

[reef gale]

Is there any guide to generating 0mhz style DOS images of your own collection?

[rocky sedge]

you need a hd image which directly boots into your game

one for each game

[fast kraken]

#1047332497492553799 message

(from the pins, we have pretty excellent pins on here thanks to robby)

[lunar trellis]

What would be beneficial is if you list out the games you want to play and people can see if they are in the 0mhz format yet, or if not can confirm they wouldn't work on the core for some reason, or potentially make a 0mhz image and add it to the wider collection

We seemed to be getting to the point where pretty much anything anyone could care to name that would run on the core has been taken care of, all the bigger games for sure

[reef gale]

The 1986 game "Alter Ego" doesn't have a 0mhz version to my knowledge

[bitter yoke]

There is a pin that goes over basics

#1047332497492553799 message

Oh oops freddo already posted that 😅

[void belfry]

think this game is better suited for XT core ?
I tried very briefly to try what I found at a very superficial search on archives and doesn't seem to like ao486 (exits with some error "cannot execute as child of Basic")
On the dosbox.conf file I saw it had cpu cycles fixed to 250, so it makes me think it's a game for XT rather ao486, will give it a test at a later time

Later edit: i was right, do check this post https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=5368

RTFM - read the forum, mate 😄 (an advice i so often don't follow myself)

[reef gale]

The one from Activision Floppy Disk collection that comes on 3 disks worked fine on ao486, although I'll check out the PC-XT core soon. I suspect the distinction doesn't matter because the game waits for player responses for basically everything

[void belfry]

Not familiar with this game, but do check the "MS-DOS - Play It By Year Game Collection v1.0" from the known archives on XT core , think it would work just fine

[fast kraken]

the ao486 core can get pretty slow if you need it to

[short compass]

There needs to be a better collection or archive of games that makes it easier for mass download. Hardware Target Database has it right for console games.

Something similar to HTGDB

[lunar trellis]

It would be pretty trivial to make a DB like the BIOS DB that can be run from update all and grab everything from different places on archive.org. how many games and how large is the total of 0mhz now?

[elder cove]

I want to say about 730 packages. Some include multiple games, though.

[short compass]

They’re all kinda scattered about though. There isn’t a central repository which makes it a bit difficult to catalog.

[fast kraken]

didn't someone already make a script for this? it like listed them off archive.org then you can pick which to get

its possible i'm confusing this with an idea i had but never implemented

[mossy compass]

I was under the impression this was a single large set you downloaded as one piece. Not multiple pieces scattered around everywhere like hunting for a random Rom 30 years ago on a random geocities page

[hollow estuary]

It's probably more in the middle. Everything is on archive.org, there's an original single large 0mhz pack which has heaps of games, then there's lots of separate "unofficial" 0mhz games

They've all pretty much been given the same 0mhz tags though so they're not that hard to find

[hollow ice]

Oh yeah, I never did follow up and see if elphive did a zzt megapack

[mossy compass]

Didn't know it was just a collection of hdd images, I assumed it was one giant image that somehow had a menu system or something

[hollow estuary]

That was the AO486 Top 300 pack that was a single vhd

[surreal marsh]

You could track down the first couple years of Total DOS Collection. If you can find it, since they don't release it.

[copper slate]

I wonder why a lot of the 0mhz packs apply custom set names for the game in the MGL but don’t provide a config.

I just rename them to use my generic DOS, Win 3.1, or Win 95 configs.

[hollow estuary]

There's this one but it just downloads everything from the original 0mhz archive no list or picking: https://github.com/mrchrisster/0mhz-collection/blob/main/0mhz_downloader.sh

[copper slate]

pins updated

[shut spoke]

Sorry to necro an old post, but did you get anywhere with this?

Whilst I’ve got po/do/dsk/vhd all working to some degree, I have a huge pile of images that I have a strong suspicion should work, but don’t.

Here’s what I posted on the forum earlier (but I’m waiting for mod approval on)

—

I'm working on something to hopefully. make it much easier for newcomers to a system to set up working cores with working software on some of the less common cores, which is pushing me into working with systems I didn't use back in the day, where I an one of those newcomers, including the Apple //e.

I've hit a few roadblocks and I don't know if they are down to me not understanding the Apple //e and ProDos, me working with unsuitable / corrupt disk images, or something altogether different.

I think I understand the mess around PO,DO and DSK images and got some of each working. so I know fundamentally it's all capable of working, but I also have :-

A whole bunch of floppies that don't want to autoboot, they don't crash (more on that later) they just don't seen to do anything. Is there a way to catalogue floppies, or at least investigate them further from inside the core (looking at the raw risk images, they look to be valid)? These non working images includes the latest stable version of ProDos 8, but the latest unstable does work!

Then we have HDVs. The two I'm testing with are the latest Pitch Dark HDV mentioned a bunch of times on [ the forums] and a Games HDV from apple2.org.za.

The Pitch Dark one (wether autobooted via a soft reboot, or from ProDos) crashes to what I now recognise it an exception handler (What looks like a memory address then a bunch of registers, followed by a * prompt).

Where as the Games HDV boots to a nice looking menu system (so I know it's reading the HDV ok) however running anything from there drops me to the exception handler.

(Cont)

[shut spoke]

Having gone down the path of making sure it's set to use 65C02 and ruled out the Apple IIgs software I'd accidentally picked up along the way. I'm really after some sense-checking. Is there some magic config I've missed somewhere? Am I just unlucky with the images I've chosen? I've read a chunk about what is configure in expansion slots, do I need to tweak this (and can I?) Or is this some kind of user error thing?

Finally, as the thing I'm working on aims to get complete newcomers to a system to a point where they can access the good stuff easily, are there any software resources it's worth making sure they know about (like the Amiga's MegaAGS, or some site or archive that the definiative source of Apple //e stuff)?

[reef gale]

One thing that might not be obvious:
Have you tried the nightly cores?

IIRC the "stable" Apple II core is 2 years old

[scarlet spear]

Having custom names config is handy to have separate joystick configurations

[copper slate]

Oh my gosh, you’re so right

I just use keyboard and mouse so it didn’t occur to me

[bitter yoke]

I was curious how large the collection is so I used the internet archive interface tool to download everything with the 0Mhz Dos Collection tag and with everything extracted it's 183 GB

[reef gale]

I wonder how much it'd be if you limit to floppy-based games

[shut spoke]

I was Intrigued by what you were discussing and scrolling back up, I suspect what you are after is pretty much what I'm building (well, half of it), but for ALL systems, when I started asking in the channel about the Apple-II stuff.

The fact so far I've only covered Acorn, Amstrad, Atari and the beginning of Apple tell you how far along it is, but I'm mostly building out an extensible framework then adding new systems to smoke test it.

The app is it two parts, a pack-based downloader, all driven by yaml config (so the community can build/find/define their own packs) and a FUSE base virtual file system, so you only ever need to download the software once, regardless of how many emulatrs etc you use, and the virtual filesystem is responsible for presenting the files in a way each eumulator (or simulator, a MiSTer is my first use case) expects. All seved over samba so you can just mount /media/fat/cifs to //your-server/MiSTer and it all automagically just works.

It means people new to systems can get a 0mhz-like experience, with just a few clicks.

What's more, it mostly works, but I keep having great ideas that stop me releasing it.

For example right now I'm working on query-based mapped folders, so under your MiSTer virtual root you'd have /Atari2600 (as MiSTer expect) then you could define your own sub folders based on file metadata. So you could have /NTSC or /PAL as your next level, or /Games and /Apps, or /English and /RoW, or /US /EU and /JP ..... basically anything as long as the DB has metadata for it. Again, all yaml driven so you can modify and share you optimal folder structures.

And the config is just ... well, see the attachments, so it's very reconfigurable.

It can also transform files on the fly. I initially wrote it to serve zip files unzipped for cores that need that, but I also added read-only 2mg support for the Apple-II (basically stripping 64 bytes off the file and working out if it's a do/po/hdv).

[karmic fog]

wow, this is great work @shut spoke looking forward to trying this out soon

[shut spoke]

I'm pushing to the dev branch on github regularly, but I really WOULDN'T encourage anyone try it until I push to main as I regularly push broken versions and keep re-architecting things (last night it was switching from sqlite to progreSQL and in doing so I somehow broke zaparoo support!).

HOWEVER if anyone wants to contribute by designing packs (i.e. hunting for good software archives to include for each system) that is without going to be the most time consuming bit!

https://github.com/GlennPegden2/TransFS/tree/dev

[elder cove]

There are definitely some that exist as CD-only versions right now that would probably also benefit from having their floppy versions packaged. Bloodnet definitely comes to mind

[reef gale]

Also not how nitpick but, YAML?

[still wren]

New minimig core!

[void belfry]

I like to see the output of update_all in the morning

[copper slate]

pins updated!

[shut spoke]

Meh, I knew yaml, and this grew out of a rapid prototype. If you can advocate for a better alternative, go for it, as now is the right time. I wanted something other people could maintain, so I've always up for better suggestions.

[fleet cave]

kubernetes ptsd

[hollow ice]

SOAP?

[fleet cave]

toml, obviously

[reef gale]

I personally am a big fan of JSON5. It's a superset of JSON that is designed for config files. All the changes are just small quality-of-life things

[shut spoke]

I hate you! That's just brought back memories I'd long since repressed! 🙂

[shut spoke]

To be fair, JSON5 was an early possibility, but in the those days all the config was in one big config file and yaml was a lot more concise.

However, I've long since split in into multiple config files, so that's not such a big deal any more.

But utilmately I'm pretty agnostic about this kind of stuff, so as long as there is a well supported json library, I'm open to sensible arguments/suggestions.

[hollow ice]

I find json for config is a bit tedious. Yaml is pretty manageable with which to interact. Then again, I use a modern ide that can show me tab widths and properly folds.

[safe quest]

IME the hard thing about config files isn't format, but rather versioning. There is no syntax that will save you from the semantic drift of supporting a user base over a decade.

The viable answers effectively boil down to either maintaining an ever-expanding "upgrade" function or periodically telling your long-term users "fuck your configuration".

[reef gale]

The annoying thing about YAML is it has a lot of "special" strings. I'm sure you're aware of no turning into a boolean?

[cobalt wasp]

Has anyone been able to get Direct Video to work on the ao486 core? It's giving me some very strange results that don't happen in any other core.

I have a VGA monitor (31KHz+) connected through a HDMI adapter on the left and a PVM (15KHz only) connected to the analog output on the right.

When direct video is disabled, this is what I get: the expected output, where it's outputting 31KHz video to the analog output (which my PVM can't sync to) and scaled video to HDMI.

But when it's enabled, stuff gets weird. It downscales the signal to 240p (15KHz) for the analog output instead of leaving it untouched, and instead of outputting 720x400 (31KHz) unscaled to the HDMI, it outputs nothing.

Direct video has no issues with other cores, it's just ao486 that does this.

I've tried changing all of the core's settings but it doesn't seem to matter.

I realized that I had the core set to 60Hz instead of 70Hz for the picture but it doesn't actually make any difference.

[hollow estuary]

The ao486 core doesn't support direct video

[smoky yew]

But you can alternatively set up a custom modelines. It just won't switch resolutions on command. You could set up separate MiSTer configs for the modelines you commonly want.

Modeline "720x400_70" 28.322 720 738 846 900 400 412 414 449 -HSync +VSync

Something like that would do 720x400.

[hollow estuary]

This is what the RT4K wiki recommends you put into your MiSTer.ini which could provide some inspiration

[ao486]
forced_scandoubler=0
vga_scaler=1
direct_video=0

[video=320x200]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=320,200,60

[video=640x200]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=640,200,60

[video=320x350]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=320,350,60

[video=640x350]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=640,350,60

[video=720x350]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=720,350,60

[video=320x400]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=320,400,60

[video=640x400]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=640,400,60

[video=720x400]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=720,400,60

[video=640x480]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=640,480,60

[video=800x600]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=800,600,60

[video=1024x768]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=1024,768,60

[granite umbra]

https://github.com/akmed772/ctmousev/

[void belfry]

Thanks, mate 🙂 will give it a spin on my DOS/V setup

[granite umbra]

i think it could be interresting to share 😉

[void belfry]

Still need to do some more research that I parked it about 2 years ago #1047332497492553799 message about DOS/V, PPP and WebBoy

[deft estuary]

Hi there @cobalt wasp , I use ao486 with a HDMI to Vga dongle, here is it my fully working config

[smoky yew]

Has anybody managed to get QFG1 Remastered MT-32 to play sounds correctly in AO486? Otto's yo-yo sound sounds like frenetic jazz (not sure why it's being played by the MT32 Pi at all, might be intentional using some sort of pitch modulation instead of a digital sound - either way, it's wrong).

I just can't get the game to play nicely with it, which is weird because it's preconfigured with 0mhz.

[smoky yew]

For anybody who might find this in the future, it was an issue with CPU speed. The game works fine at faster CPU speeds, but certain sound effects get bungled. 386DX worked for me.

[terse totem]

Is there a way to keep the video at the same display mode to avoid the monitors from switching and loosing the video/audio from HDMI?

[hollow ice]

@lost nest I am experimenting with updating sys on your ss core. Do you mind if I share core builds here?

[lost nest]

@hollow ice No issue. Do as you want.

[void belfry]

UCSD p-System 2 running on the PC XT core (not that I know what to do with this lol)
Got it from here: http://pascal.hansotten.com/ucsd-p-system/ibm-pc/

[granite umbra]

https://github.com/paulb-nl/TatungEinstein_MiSTer/commit/fdc83b420bf1c93d9e84db5ae9898832906b9060

[void belfry]

And here is the 16th Unix/Linux based OSes, SkatOS (https://www.giannone.ch/skatos/current/) running on ao486 (list updated #1047332497492553799 message)
It is a floppy disk size Linux distribution which plays the popular German card game Skat (which I dunno how to play lol)
The live system runs XSkat 4.0 based on BusyBox 0.60.5, uClibc 0.9.24 and TinyX 4.2.1 X Server with Linux kernel 2.2.26.
If you know the game, get the floppy from the link above and have fun 🙂

[bitter yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/scatman-john-scatman-scatmans-world-skibidi-bum-du-du-du-gif-13154069678432075652

[void belfry]

nope, don't understand this game lol

[worn wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Xunvu7ZRk Scatman Crothers as Scat Cat

[void belfry]

reading a bit about the game finally paid off lol.
Think we have a potential non DOS/Win candidate for 0MHz ? @summer dragon 😄

[mossy compass]

Can it also play S.C.A.T.?

[void belfry]

actually.. https://github.com/tuxnes/tuxnes 🤔

dang it, @mossy compass, as getting ppp support for that thingie was not enough rabbit hole 😄 Jokes aside, will be fun to see how NES emulation was back then on Linux too

[mossy compass]

That would be interesting, seeing the Linux eqivalents of Nesticle back then

[void belfry]

will test it under Debian most likely, easier to install packages

only tested dosemu and wine on it so far

[short finch]

MiSTer Floppy, with the changed sources for Minimig and the Main MiSTer file.
https://mister.robsmithdev.co.uk/source

[hearty pelican]

Can someone test the PC/XT core on the Mister Pi? I couldn't get mine to boot. The core works fine on my DE10 Nano though.

[exotic prairie]

same sd card?

[granite umbra]

Normally it could have also support of ipf but not tested

[granite umbra]

https://github.com/RobSmithDev/Main_MiSTer/commit/ab323bf706fc95565da3a9b20e33b06773b08c2b

[burnt pelican]

I am very excited for this. My spare MiSTer can go into an Amiga case with a new Amiga keyboard. Then, despite the IPF/HFE support I'm still tempted to be a madlad and attach a Gotek to it, just for the satisfying click sound...

[reef gale]

What systems could theoretically be supported by this?

[rocky sedge]

most with 5,25 or 3,5" Floppy

[reef gale]

I'm not 100% sure how "standard" the floppy format is

I don't mean format as in filesystem, I mean format in terms of the physical disk's standardization

Like case-in-point: the Famicom Disk system used a 3 inch disk

I know. I'm still talking about this hardware device

Basically I'm trying to evaluate my interest based on which devices this drive could support in the future

[neat lintel]

FM TOWNS Marty for sure

[worthy zealot]

I have collected some games mainly to be able to create my own backups in SCP and / or IPF. Problem is I have bought several games though and have not gotten around to making backups of those yet, and they might have had issues even when I got them. But I backup my original collection at least 🙂

I did manage to get a pretty rare Danish game preserved for the C64 that had a pretty special made copy protection. In Denmark we had a Danish version of Wheel of Fortune called Lykkehjulet and some guy had made his version of that TV show as a Danish game.

I had my own copy but it was ruined and I could not use that to create a backup, but after years of searching I found someone who had a physical copy of the game, probably the latest / last version of the game that the developer made and I got to work on making a backup.

He had already made a proper bypass for it, but he wanted to know how it had been done exactly and could not without a working dump of the full disk.

It somehow took me several days to make a working dump. I tried pretty much all the combinations of settings I could think of, I think I even ended up finding strange third party software for making disk backups that was not what the developers of the hardware I used had made. And I have... must be two types of floppy dumping hardware. The SuperCard Pro I think its called and that cheaper more open source one I do not remember the name of now. I think it is what DrawBridge used as one of its ways to get floppies working with emulators

But I found this obscure program that could use one of these USB adapters for disk drives to make a working dump, in a way that the game was actually bootable.

What made it so difficult was also that this copy protection did not stop you from copying the game. It would copy just fine, it would boot just fine... it was only after playing a round or two that it would trigger... and it was random. If you were lucky maybe you could play through a full round in the game... and that was how the copy protection had been designed.

[hearty pelican]

Different SD cards. To clarify, the core loaded on the Mister Pi but I was unable to boot anything. The XT-IDE rom booted fine on the DE10-Nano. Same rom file copied over. I heard other people were having trouble with the core on the Mister Pi too.

[exotic prairie]

i would swap the sd card just to see

because then you know for sure that you have a working setup

and then we can see if it's the hardware or the software

[waxen nymph]

I did have a bug with the sdram controller in the iigs I had to fix. Before that it wasn’t working on my 32Mb card and I think it might have been flaky on the mister pi

[hearty pelican]

I will have to test when I get home

[waxen nymph]

I checked - and the SDRAM_CKE is set to 1, this should be good

[terse totem]

Do we need a 32bit data bus for 68030? As in using dual SDRAM

[thick pendant]

I play that game all the tine. Good job -204 with two diamond cards is perfect score...

kidding anyway. is it like blackjack?

[thick pendant]

That would be good in blackjack

Ace + 10 is 21, right?

[void belfry]

nope, it's this one : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skat_(card_game)

Still trying to decipher it lol, but I wanna try recompile it to add ppp support and remove ethernet
This game can be played in LAN or over internet via IRC too

[reef gale]

I live kinda close to the Midwest Vintage Computer Festival. Wonder if I should apply to do a panel about the MiSTer FPGA

[void belfry]

If you feel you're up for it, why not ? 🙂 And if you need wacky stuff to show off, I'm sure we all here can contribute with something lol

[reef gale]

Would be funny to start with the donut demo thing

[void belfry]

Meanwhile, 17th Unix/Linux variant, **ttylinux **(their site ttylinux.net is preserved on Wayback machine) based on 2.6 kernel, very small and extremely fast, oriented towards PPP connections/networking
As always, updated my list here #1047332497492553799 message

[void belfry]

which donut demo you refer to ?

[gloomy void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yKagT7qy5s

New and probably final update before I make the core and repository with the sources public.

[reef gale]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Donut_MiSTer

[ruby charm]

That's fantastic!!! Thanks!!! 😄

[void belfry]

nice, missed this one lol

[hearty pelican]

I did some more testing with the Mister Pi. Switched sd cards with my DE10 Nano. I wasn't able to load anything on the Mister Pi with either sd card. Both sd cards were able to load on the DE10 Nano however. Tried the different cores - PCXT_20260123.rbf and Tandy1000_20260210.rbf So it most likely has something to do with the memory on the Mister Pi.

[hollow ice]

I did a search and haven’t seen you mention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HelenOS

So maybe that will work @void belfry

[exotic prairie]

that's interesting. I assume you have done a memtest and all that? Do you remember what batch you were?

[hearty pelican]

I did a memtest but don't remember what the results were. It wasn't bad though. The mister pi came from the previous batch and has onboard ram.

[exotic prairie]

batch 5? like you ordered super recently?

(I guess batch 5 was like october or something i think)

[hearty pelican]

Yeah

[exotic prairie]

yeah, that one has something funky with the ram. the TG16 core probably doesn't work well either

[hearty pelican]

Oh man... really?

[exotic prairie]

yeah :/

you may want to reach out to them

[hearty pelican]

I never really messed around with TG16. I booted it up and the only .pce file it sees is the mister-boot.pce. The other games are not showing.

mister-boot.pce boots up though

That's so weird. The pce games show up on the DE10 Nano just fine.

[void belfry]

nope, it stays forever at loading initrd. Also in qemu was pretty slow (at least the GUI)

[void belfry]

I'm actually checking archiveos page by page, grabbed a few more OS candidates this week (mostly Debian/Slack/BSD variants but also some more exotic ones), still over 100 site pages to cover
For many I will have to compile them/make the floppy/iso images and so on, but at least the code was not lost as for many other OSes I checked

[weary umbra]

Following your os adventures with interest

[void belfry]

Soon I have to start a 2nd Unix/Linux list, the current one is almost to characters limit lol

Still not adding it to list (as I will first try an install on vhd), but most likely 18th entry will be **Evinux **, a FR Knoppix distro. Also, it is first time a knoppix livecd boots fine on ao486
CLI seems fine, GUI not so much for now, will see. Also have my doubts on what it "detected" at boot lol

[void belfry]

until now, all knoppix variants i tried were compiled for machines with FPU (like this one) and didn't much bothered to recompile the kernel as i did for some Debian/Slackware distros

[willow pond]

As someone who has never had an amiga or even used one, which a4000 rom should i load ?
I bought the AmigaForever iso/msi stuff, but i am a bit well green. I'd like to get the best rom for the job in, but its ofcourse no use if the MiSTer is not powerful enough for a specific rom

[coral coral]

If you go with a stock kickstart (no reason not to, really), go with v40.68 (aka v3.1, A1200/4000). v40.70 is for A4000T with SCSI.

[willow pond]

so the right rom would be amiga-os-310-a4000.rom ?
Amiga is kinda like a PC but not like a PC, i've been trying to get it to boot but no luck

[coral coral]

Yep, that sounds right

[willow pond]

I copied that along with the rom.key file to the Games/Amiga folder and selected the rom
save configuration and reset, but i just have a black screen

[mossy compass]

I thought the Amiga core was not capapible of emulating a 4000?

[hollow estuary]

Not to discourage you from tweaking around if you want, but if you just want to get up and running quickly we can't recommend AmigaVision strongly enough https://amiga.vision

[willow pond]

no idea, google says it is

[willow pond]

that's a solution as well, i dont mind tinkering, but i do want things working first 🙂

[mossy compass]

Fair enough, I like to tinker too

[weary umbra]

Up to A1200 and CD32 only. Big box Amigas are more complex.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Minimig-AGA_MiSTer

[willow pond]

sounds like https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/cores/computer/ needs updating, minimig says 4000 is supported, but i'll try with the 1200

[weary umbra]

Amiga OS 3.2 brings some modern functionality to the aged OS, worth purchasing (and supporting devs) imho.

[hollow estuary]

If you download and use amigavision it does all the hard work of making things work for you

[willow pond]

yep currently working on that 🙂

in regards to amiga os, i'll need to wait with that 🙂

[hollow estuary]

AmigaVision has AmigaOS in it

Although perhaps not the version you're specifically looking for

[willow pond]

for me it's mostly just the ability to play amiga games i am after, i can tinker with OS's etc on my desktop 🙂

[hollow estuary]

yeah AmigaVision is perfect for just playing games then

[hollow ice]

Pretty sure no 4000 ever came with anything less than an 030

[worthy zealot]

pretty sure of that as well. There is some FPGA work that has begun implementing 030, but I do not think it was for the Amiga and I am not sure if it ever got to work.

[void belfry]

#1047332497492553799 message --- @terse totem is working on that 😉

hopefully one day NetBSD and Debian will work on Amiga core too \m/

[void belfry]

in my experience so far, best use A1200 ones (or A500/A600 if you need those machines specifically). A1200 should be more than enough for most of the games/apps
If you ever decide to AmigaOS 3.2 (which i highly encourage), you will need another set of roms, provided on the CD when you buy it

meanwhile, another day, another ~~disaster ~~ OS to test, fingers crossed

[void belfry]

close but not cigar directly on core, will try an install from emulator

[willow pond]

so thats why, thank you for clearing it up,google's AI was telling me it was possiblle and litually had a guide, https://retrogamecoders.com/mister-fpga-amiga/ said to use it and the link above to.

I've mostly only used a PC and consoles, having the MiSTer gives me the oppotunity to get to know other types of computers that have existed without needing to go out and find preserved and pay for perhaps hardware not functioning so well due to the years

[willow pond]

ao486 core or which core ar eyou trying to run it on ?

As i said last night, i'll stick to the gaming for now, but as i do like to tinker a bit i'll give the 3.2 amiga os a try at another time, limited funds and i've already spent a bit over budget this month 🙂

[coral coral]

A1200 and A4000 used the same kickstart ROM and workbench installation, so from the point of installing AmigaOS from scratch on MiSTer it doesn't matter much. Pick the 3.1 ROM (v40.68), select 020 with d-cache and lots of RAM and install workbench from the installation floppies.

One nice quality of life thing to consider is to use the PFS filesystem on the hdf image you install to. Here's an empty and unformatted 4GB HDF with the PFS driver.

[void belfry]

yes, ao486

[willow pond]

thanks, when i do look into it when i have the time etc 🙂 i've saved a copy locally as well

[void belfry]

https://github.com/mattuna15/68881-fpga 👀 (link from forum https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=10226)

[void belfry]

4 hrs later... still going

povray/fractint/CAD rendering at least were entertaining even at 1 line drawn at 2-3 minutes 😄

[hollow ice]

Haha

[void belfry]

mkey, picked up the pace a bit

[hollow ice]

Question about the scalar and ao486. There are some low resolution modes it doesn’t really handle well (see thera’s images right above)…it doesn’t do poorly, it just feels like pixel aspect is off?

is there some setting that can fix that?

[void belfry]

hold on, my sshots i post are usually done via capture card, here's the direct core sshot

[hollow ice]

yeah, but looks t the y…..and that was a big risk after hours

[void belfry]

trying to see if my elgato doesn't induce crap, so we can be sure on it

[hollow ice]

screenshots during heavy ide use 🙁

[void belfry]

it was only one, it took it without complaining much 😄

linux would be actually more sensitive and present rightaway errors

[hollow ice]

yeah, makes sense….the uniata driver is supposed to be more lax with timings

[void belfry]

87% now 🤞

[mossy compass]

Installing XP on the 486 core?

Surprised that even works with no FPU

[hollow ice]

FPU? Where we’re going, we don’t need FPUs.

[void belfry]

it shouldn't run at all on 486 🙂 https://msfn.org/board/topic/186080-xp-running-on-a-486-cpu/

[hollow ice]

or, if you are older, I’ve got, “FPUs? We ain’t got no FPUs. We don’t need no FPUs.”

[void belfry]

on topic, think last time i didn't expand the ntoskrnl , will see if i get any luck now

95%

go go go

awesome...

[hollow ice]

🙁

google says ram issue?

[void belfry]

tried recovery console, but this is above my paygrade lol

[hollow ice]

or driver issue….so not very helpful

didn’t finish the registry setup…safe mode was the suggested test

[void belfry]

yeah, won't have that option yet 😄

install bsoded right after hiting 100%, unlike previous time i tried when it actually completed but bombed out later at first reboot

will have another look tomorrow

same goes for Win NT 4.0 Server , this one feels even more within grasp

[burnt pelican]

How is AO486 these days? Does Windows 95 still need the ESDI_506.pdr (I think) file removing to work?

[copper slate]

I dunno, I play a bunch of 0mhz win95 games and they al run great

[void belfry]

early last year when i made some W95 vhd it was still needed iirc

[gloomy void]

https://x.com/spark2k06/status/2030251056764965280

Aitor Gómez García (@spark2k06)

The IBM PCjr is now alive on MiSTer FPGA.

A new core focused on accurate emulation and real hardware behavior is now public for the MiSTer community.

https://t.co/3HSNNbnda2

#MiSTerFPGA #FPGA #IBMPCjr #RetroComputing

X · Mar 7, 2026, 11:55 AM

[burnt pelican]

I do wonder if figuring out that particular issue would solve so many OS install problems!
It's a bit above my pay grade though 💀

[short finch]

I saw that, thanks, I'm testing it rght now.

[void belfry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[compact comet]

I tried the custom .ipf support on the amiga that was released by the guy making the physical disck drive support. Anyone know if this is going to be merged into the mimimig main?

[burnt pelican]

I saw on his last video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN8TCz7Z0n8&t=650) at 10:50 that he says he hasn't discussed getting this into the core yet.
I'd love to see it though. I wonder how much space is left on the FPGA for, say, an 68881 or '030 after that?
Maybe a future of the Minimig core being split into A500 and A1200?

[waxen nymph]

He released the source.

[young gust]

It'd be cool if Mister Floppy eventually works with AO486 for DOS games

[copper slate]

Pins updated

[granite umbra]

For information "Windows 9x QuickInstall v1.0.1 is now released!"

[bitter yoke]

Supports windows ME too apparently

[shut spoke]

Was very tempted by this until I hadn’t had a reason to use my greaseweasel in such a long time, that it would likely just sit there unused.

[frosty cosmos]

Yeah, IPF and SCP disk image support for the Amiga core is great. I hope they can merge it into the offical core.

[reef gale]

Do we yet have a 0mhz equivalent for the non-386 IBMs?

[woven lava]

either "booter" floppies (for direct game launch) or some compilations on hard drive

if you want to curate your own collection, I can dig out which menu system I used, I remember there used to be 2 that worked relatively well with early hardware

[undone anvil]

I like this idea of VHD roms, perhaps using floppies for save files on a per game basis, kinda like memory cards

[cursive cosmos]

It looks quite big no? 50% LUT utilisation of an Artix-7 200T

[void belfry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just hoping it can fit alongside 68020 on amiga/mac/x68k cores...

[cursive cosmos]

That's a £100 FPGA part vs the MiSTer Altera Cyclone V 5CEBA6 which is under £30

[void belfry]

but again, I am no fpga dev so can't really tell

[cursive cosmos]

On the 68881 webpage the author says it fits into the Cyclone V 5CEBA7 (that's 50% bigger than MiSTer FPGA)

[cursive cosmos]

Heh heh. I'm actually an ASIC engineer (microchip designer) and I've had a MiSTer since the very early days. I'm not an active developer but I back the developers on Patreon

[mossy compass]

What PCs was this CPU used in?

[weary umbra]

It's a math coprocessor for 68000 family, doing floating-point arithmetic. Hence the class, "FPU", not CPU.

Based on the Github readme, it's quite large for Mister FPGA, it certainly won't fit alongside any other CPU or circuitry core.

[reef gale]

So I was thinking about a way that the MGL format could be improved for Computer Core users

[reef gale]

I think it would be useful if you could set environmental variables from an MGL file. This would simplify 0mhz packs by a bit as some would no longer need separate mt32 versions

[jaunty iron]

Most (all?) don't actually need separate versions. Various games added outside of the official pack, mostly from exodos possibly, use a bat script to allow you to choose which version to use when running the one single installed version.

[fleet cave]

what do you mean 'environment variables'? like in the core itself?

there's no real mechanism to do that

[exotic prairie]

It's like if it's the water dungeon or the fire dungeon, I think

just need hookshot and then we can leave

[reef gale]

Not the core itself. Variables within the OS.

Either that or allowing an MGL file to select a different autoexec.bat or something

[fleet cave]

there's no way to do that. that would involve somehow being able to reach into the running core and change things.

[jaunty iron]

The individual games themselves can allow for this on the installed media, by executing a script that allows you to choose which variation you want. Most of these already allow for this if you want to go through the effort of running their setup program every time you wanted to swap, because all they're doing is setting some config file options. So a script can just swap to the proper config file to the correct variation you want to run, and then continue normally.

The 0mhz pack doesn't do this and instead chose to have a lot of redundancy for the sake of incredibly minor convenience when launching your game from MiSTer.

[mossy compass]

That's element variables