Computer Cores

[ruby bramble]

i wonder if you can mount 2 harddrives and a cd at the time time with an mgl

although my experience messing with 95 is the cd read access makes stuff more choppy. so in any option where its available id opt for a no cd patch

[white siren]

you should be able to mount all the IDE ports and floppy ports with an mgl yes

[ruby bramble]

right now my main drive is to get neverhood up and going. i played it off the cd and it was close. but it stuttered and struggled everytime it needed to load a new movie or something

[hollow ice]

Hmm, is the cd a chd?

I don’t think the cd access should be any worse than vhd access? I could be wrong though. Chd might cause problems if it is compressed so you can always try it as an iso

[turbid swallow]

Alright, I FINALLY got Syndicate Plus working with sound 😎 I wrote up how to fix it on Github: https://github.com/0mhz-net/0mhz-collection/issues/41#issuecomment-2062967213

[copper slate]

Good lord y’all are wizards. Thank you for working so hard so all of us can play cool games!

[ruby bramble]

I dont recall what i was using. iso or chd. my thinking was that even though the cd drive is not a moving part in this instance, it still uses cpu cycles and is still bottlenecked by whatever read speed is supported. at least i think? just a theory.

[void belfry]

Not many games would work well under Win95/98/NT on ao486, though there are some surprises (Fallout 1 is decent enough, Panzer General 2, SideLine and possible few more others). As for Win95 install, it is quite easy, with a very few interventions than in a normal one. https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=10665#p10665 - those instructions are simply the best straight forward way. Also in more detail: https://www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2021/03/28/mister-ao486-core-part-9-windows-95-install/

[ruby bramble]

thank you for the links ill def check them out. im likely going to stick to 2d games and fmv titles, lower end things i imagine

[void belfry]

MS BOB is always an option 😄

[ruby bramble]

Oh baby

If i keep having trouble installing windows 95 i can always refer to my copy of this tape where Jennifer Anniston and some dead guy show me the ropes lol

[void belfry]

almost forgot, video and null-modem drivers (misterfb and modem9x ones) here: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/ao486_MiSTer/tree/master/releases/drv

and in case you wanna go on the internet like it is still the 90's, also with how to install modem driver etc: https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/computer/#ppp-connection-in-windows-9598-on-ao486

[void belfry]

CD-ROM support however must rely on MS-DOS driver though , so LFN is going to be an issue for a lot of games. You can install Daemon Tools and run it inside the W95/98 (it also implies to copy the iso image in the VHD) as a workaround for games needing LFN... This is not an issue under NT4.0 , as we are using a different IDE driver for that OS

[hot tundra]

Trying to boot a game from 0mhz. When loading game from Dos Games menu, I get: 'Boot failed. Could not read the boot disk Fatal: no bootable device'.

Right, appears that ao486 looks for media folder in /media/fat/AO486 folder, instead of /media/fat/games/AO486. where is that configured?

[carmine thunder]

Mister will search a bunch of paths https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/cores/paths/#other-paths . Just make sure you don’t have a directory with that core name where you don’t want to look

[hot tundra]

great, thanks!

[copper slate]

What game

[hot tundra]

All games I tried, but already found out why. I had an AO486 folder in both /media/fat and /media/fat/games/. The media folder with dos games was in the latter, but the core looked for it in the former, where it wasn't.

so I moved the media folder to /media/fat/AO486. But also could've deleted /media/fat/AO486 to make it work again

[copper slate]

Weird, I’ve never had an MGL point towards media/fat/ao486

[hot tundra]

actually the mgl has a relative path

to /media/<game-folder>

So as davef pointed out to me, MiSTer has an ordered list of paths where it looks for the core folder, in this case AO486. First path it looks is /media/fat/, where it did find the AO486 folder. From there, the relative path in the mgl looks for the media folder, so /media/fat/AO486/media/<game-name>.
When it finds the core folder, it doesn't bother looking for it in another path

[copper slate]

Oh?

[summer dragon]

yeah I learned that recently too

[hot tundra]

At least, that's how I understand it

[summer dragon]

the ao486 folder should only exist inside of the games folder

[hot tundra]

Probably that's the most logical place to put it. However, I expect if you move (or copy) the entire folder to /media/fat/ everything will still work.

[void belfry]

as well as minimig/msx and whatever else 🙂 It really depends on the user, my Minimig for example still stays in /media/fat/, while the others are in /media/fat/games/. Reminiscence from my MiST setup 😄

[summer dragon]

yeah it’ll work, but I don’t really see why anyone would or should

[hot tundra]

Agreed

[copper slate]

Wiiiiiild

[summer dragon]

i guess if you had an ao486 folder full of only apps and no games

[copper slate]

😵‍💫

[void belfry]

ahem 😄

[copper slate]

uh oh, you’re breaking the mister laws

[void belfry]

🤫 🦜

[summer dragon]

I should’ve known you would 🤣

[void belfry]

I do have games though 😄

[summer dragon]

So actually, I followed the guide on James' site to a T and when I get to Step 5.1, I'm just met with a message that it doesn't find any CD drivers

[void belfry]

from floppy ??

[summer dragon]

yeah

[void belfry]

wtf lol

[summer dragon]

followed them exactly

i'm gonna try another way

I think Billy hit the same roadblock

I actually got further last night just guessing my way through it haha, but then it locked up on the "Getting ready to boot Win95 for the first time screen"

[void belfry]

well, I didn't use James how=to, but the txt version from the forum, but it is quite the same process

ah yess, the famous one

[summer dragon]

yeah, I didn't get that far

and last night I got that message, but I wasn;t using a floppy haha

[void belfry]

keep still the boot sequence on the core from Floppy as 1st bood dev, then do the renaming of files mentioned

[summer dragon]

yeah I never changed then

that*

[void belfry]

the switch to HDD boot , continue the crap, install video, whatever else

[summer dragon]

since I couldn't get the CD-ROM drive to even be recognized, I couldn't even start the Setup

[void belfry]

maybe bad boot floppy, have you examined it under a working DOS VHD ?

[summer dragon]

well, it boots

but I just looked at it in winimage, and I don't believe I see any cd driver files

[void belfry]

Confirmed, NEC CD-ROM drivers are not working on the mentioned (from tutorials sources) W95 OSR2 floppy boot image, so you will need to manually add VIDE-CDD or OAK CDROM ones and modify the config.sys in that floppy image.

[tawny egret]

https://thp.itch.io/djg-demo-disc-2023

[ruby bramble]

With the help of @summer dragon I've uploaded skyroads, skyroads xmas special and kosmonaut to 0mhz archive.org. Enjoy!

[spice hound]

lol do you misterfpga can load game images from external cd player?

[void belfry]

exploring it 🙂 CD menu seems to work with QEMM, hanging on other mem managers under ao486

[tawny egret]

nice! I haven’t gotten the chance to boot it yet but I’m excited to try it. there’s a bunch of ZZT engine games in the pack and those are usually weirdly fun

[void belfry]

got me curious for that 3D demo needing FPU to test it against Q87 emulator, but no dice. However, a lot of other goodies there

[void belfry]

seems a lot of 386+ games on this CD do actually need FPU (Acronia 6 runs a bit with Q87 but exits after a few, chro.mono 2 , Death Taxi and some other games also need FPU). Got me curious on 8088 ones, for XT core to try them

[void belfry]

Dust Fury crawls with Q87, no wonder, as the game needs a Pentium/Pentium 2 😄

[jolly kraken]

Looks like a lot of changes in the ao486 core today. No idea what any of them are, but cool to see!

Maybe today is the day I test out 0mhz. I was holding off until things became more stable, but I doubt that will ever happen 😂

[short finch]

New OPL3 integration (Yamaha YMF262).
A sound chip on some sound cards since 1990.

[jolly kraken]

Thanks for explaining 🙂

[fast kraken]

Nice - I always hoped we’d get a better opl3

[cold crane]

Just read the updates for the new unstable ao486 core.

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-jurassic-park-ellie-gif-19249741

[fast kraken]

its a better soundblaster and uses less resources than the old one

[jolly kraken]

Soundblaster? Pfft. MT-32 😎

(Not that I’ve used the core ever :D)

[short finch]

Depends of the game (and the composer skills), some are nicer with SB, others with MT32.

[umbral oar]

And of course some games are better with different FM or wavetable synths altogether

[jolly kraken]

Honestly I was just shitposting, but it would be good if there were recommend settings for the 0mhz games somewhere

[carmine thunder]

@coral barn Just an fyi, I grabbed latest 0mhz downloader and set unresolved_mgls=false, but still seemed to blow away all the additional mgl's that I had added

[coral barn]

Hmm, that's not supposed to happen. The script checks if the mgls link up to any actual files, so not sure why it would delete any viable mgls

Do you have always_dl_mgl set to true by chance?

[carmine thunder]

Yeah I had that set to true

[coral barn]

That would delete the folder and start from scratch each time

[carmine thunder]

Ah ok, that probably wasn’t very clear, I just assumed it would download and overwrite existing ones

Maybe I might be best to have a separate folder for the extra games mgls

[proper zodiac]

if i want to add other games not on the 0mhz collection, but have them run the same way, can I copy over the other files from their vhds and add them to a new vhd in the different game? And just rename the files referencing the game? Haven't been able to find a tutorial about how to setup games not from the list

[white siren]

there's a few tools that are out there now

that will convert games from exodos into a vhd+mgl

ItalianGrandma has been working on it with a few others

the doscontainer thread also has a tool that does something similar

but yes, you can basically copy the vhd, replace the game files with your own

and update the autoexec

all 0mhz is is a prebuilt VHD with the game files, DOS, and config files that auto boot the game when the PC loads

the MGL file basically tells the ao486 core what VHD (and CHDs) to load and then it just boots the PC as if you were turning on a real 486

and then DOS boots, loads the drivers, and then runs the game

[proper zodiac]

very cool, I need to try this

[summer dragon]

@proper zodiac Yes, you can copy another VHD and replace the files. If you need a VHD of a more specific size, I made a tool that spits out a VHD with just DOS7.1 on it and default settings. You’ll still have to add your game: https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=85656#p85656

if you need to enable things like CD-ROM and EMM386, you’ll have to edit your autoexec.config and config.sys files on the drive accordingly. You’ll also have to make your own MGL, but fortunately that’s easy

I’m working on a better version of my kitchen that will build the whole 0MHz pack once you specify the game files and game exe/bat:

[proper zodiac]

awesome!

downloading to try out now

[summer dragon]

lmk if you have issues, but after a few bugged versions its been rock solid for me now

[proper zodiac]

Success

I used to play this on my mom's ancient laptop

[summer dragon]

duuude

my grandparents got me that game back in the day

i forgot about it for the longest time until like two weeks ago

[proper zodiac]

I literally wrote about it my 1st grade journal lol

[proper zodiac]

This is the other one me and my brother would play a ton of on that thing

[rapid sail]

Hello,

I'm not getting a good screen with the new ao486 core. Is it booting at a higher resolution then before? Playing on a crt.

[coral barn]

I haven't created any mgls myself yet so I haven't run into this issue yet. Maybe I'll rename that option to make it clearer

[proper zodiac]

@summer dragon with your app are you able to make VHDs below 4mb? Most of the dos games are like not even 1mb

[summer dragon]

@proper zodiac so you can, but there’s some space that gets reserved, so a 4MB VHD, for instance, really only has like 3MB of available space

[proper zodiac]

oh ok

that makes sense

[summer dragon]

ahh it looks like the lowest you can make is 3MB

which makes sense I guess

if you try to make a 1 or 2MB VHD, DOSBox-X doesn’t let you (I’ll add a check for this and make 3MB the minimum)

a 3MB VHD gives you 2MB of free space

[summer dragon]

yep, Windows says the same thing. It wants a size above 2MB so I guess 3MB is the minimum

ok, tool updated and posted in the 0MHz thread on the forum…I’ll make a dedicated post once I have v1 ready

[proper zodiac]

awesome

[torpid sluice]

Hi, has anybody else had trouble with the latest ao486 core that has been just posted in the unstable channel? I tried it and I got a black screen (out of sync too) with the mister unresponsive, even over the network. Does it require an updated Main too?

[rapid sail]

Same here, does not sync with my CRT. Could be an higher resolution?

[topaz sigil]

I used it earlier and it seemed fine, played a bit of Totsugeki Mix. This was over HDMI though, not analogue.

[carmine thunder]

I ran an update_all yesterday and seems to be working ok to my VGA CRT..

This is what I use as a config if it's helpful:

[ao486]
video_mode=1
vga_scaler=1
vscale_mode=4

Edit: My mistake, just realised you mentioned unstable... That one doesnt work on vga for me.

[carmine thunder]

Ok cheers. Yeah even if the comments were just more explicit on what options were destructive I guess could be useful.

[light hound]

@summer dragon Are you tested some vhd file with 86box?

[copper slate]

lol someone added a game called ZYCLUNT

The game does look pretty cool tho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogz7iYBKzDI

[summer dragon]

I did try some of the VHDs I made with 86box, but unfortunately they didn’t work there

[light hound]

Ok so it was not my thing...i can't get working vhd from dosbox-x on 86box

It would have been great if it worked everywhere

[summer dragon]

yeah, unfortunately it seems like kind of a tall order to get those working everywhere…Bas on the forum is working on their DOSContainer tool which will probably have VHDs that work anywhere I think

I even tried making some with 86box and couldn’t get them working on MiSTer…that said, I think I either did it wrong or it has something to do with using dos 7.1

[vestal ginkgo]

Do they mount in windows as a drive? That makes things like DOSBox-x easy

[summer dragon]

yeah the ones I made all mount in windows as a drive

i can’t recall if i tried to mount the 86box made ones in Windows

i think i did?

[vestal ginkgo]

Weird that 86box can’t. The fun of CHD in vhds I guess

[copper slate]

@vestal ginkgo offtopic but it’s great to see you post again. You’re a legend, my friend!

[vestal ginkgo]

Thanks, trying to re-engage. I moved to a new job that isn’t so draining!

[hollow ice]

Yeah, bas’s work looks really good

[undone anvil]

This looks useful though. I use direct video RGBHV, and when I bootup ao486, no signal is detected. seems I have to force the core into a specific mode

[proper zodiac]

Got windows 95 going following the james mackenzie tutorial. Trying to set up misterfs so I can then get CD-ROM support and try installing a few games directly on windows (ones that don't have dos support). But I'm getting stuck on one of the commands.

[summer dragon]

try just doing edit autoexec.bat

there may not be an existing autoexec file either actually…when Installed Win 95, I don’t think there was one created and I had to create it myself

on the C:\ prompt, type dir and see if even autoexec.bat is even listed

[proper zodiac]

yeah there's not, just
command com
utils dir
drivers dir

[summer dragon]

yep so you gotta create one

[proper zodiac]

what command would I use to do that? I was pretty young in the dos era

[summer dragon]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30287700/how-to-make-a-batch-file-using-cmd

[proper zodiac]

Ok I think I created the file but still unable to edit

maybe I can edit it in windows 95?

[summer dragon]

yeah you can do that

i feel like that command should be working so that’s weird

I actually just installed Win95 yesterday and I edited the file in windows

you might have to use a different cd-rom driver than what that guide says fyi: #1047332497492553799 message

I had to

you should be able to grab the needed files from any 0MHz pack:

add this line to config.sys:
DEVICE=C:\DRIVERS\OAKCDROM.SYS /D:IDE-CDD

and this line to autoexec.bat:
LH C:\DRIVERS\MSCDEX.EXE /D:IDE-CDD or LH C:\DRIVERS\SHSUCDX.COM /D:IDE-CDD

make sure you have those files in the paths specified

[proper zodiac]

ok let me see, I was able to run this command outside of editing the autoexec.bat
LH C:\UTILS\MISTERFS\MISTERFS.EXE E /Q

But it didn't seem to do me any good, as it the E directory comes back as an invalid drive

ok I see what I did now

i was booting into a seperate dos vhd, so it wasn't saving any of the files to the windows 95 vhd

smh

ok so I guess the part that is not working now, is the E drive is still showing up blank, so it doesn't know how to access the "shared" folder in /ao486/games directory in mister SD card

after putting the misterfs.exe onto drive E

I can add those lines to config, and autoexec, but I don't know how to get those files over to dos/windows in the first place

[summer dragon]

i just put them on a floppy and copied them over in windows

[proper zodiac]

ohhh

[summer dragon]

i actually made one attempt at hooking up misterfs.exe and couldn’t get it to work either

i’ll try again later

[proper zodiac]

well the CD support is the ultimate goal here, is it easy to make a floppy img in modern windows?

[summer dragon]

also misterfs.exe needs to exist on your c: drive

yeah you can do it with disk management i think or WinImage

[thick pendant]

yes, https://www.winimage.com/download.htm

you can use that to make a 1.44 floppy with misterfs, an editor, or whatever

[proper zodiac]

yeah I tried it but wasn't sure what I was doing, it gave me a .vfd file that wasn't being read by win95

[proper zodiac]

so what Im trying now is just taking the .iso of the game I wanted to try and intall, converting it to .vhd and trying to install that way

[thick pendant]

i think i always picked "image file" for the format

[proper zodiac]

not sure what this means, is it looking for an actual floppy drive on my pc?

[tawny egret]

please format my floppy disk as Duke Mukem Forever (2048 cluster)

[summer dragon]

@proper zodiac you should just be able to create a new 1.44MB floppy and save it as .ima or .img

[proper zodiac]

trying ima

[summer dragon]

do you already have the other exe you need on your vhd? you’ll need either mscdex.exe or shsucdx.com as well

[proper zodiac]

i downloaded mscdx223

Ok I got the game I wanted up and running. No sound tho

Appreciate all the help grandma

[copper slate]

Hell yeah Yoda Stories?

I liked it as a kid

[proper zodiac]

It was a childhood favorite yeah

And while I was at it I wanted to check out the Indiana Jones one. I remember that being advertised and being interested in trying it

[summer dragon]

when Windows 95 installed, did you install the sound drivers? it was one of the options on the screen with Network adapter as another choice

[proper zodiac]

I don't remember

It was a while back that I had installed

The dos games all have sound

[ruby bramble]

Im pretty sure yoda stories runs on windows 3.1 if you keep having trouble.

[gloomy bolt]

It does. The Star Wars Screen.... toys? thing too.

[summer dragon]

i just got MiSTerFS working it seems, I see the E: drive now in Windows 95 so I was about to put Yoda Stories on here and see if sound works . Oh, the game is on a disc, guess I just need the D: drive 😅

[gloomy bolt]

But that one has sound effects for banthas walking that destroy my ears. On real hardware as well.

[summer dragon]

huh, I installed it, tried to play it and it wouldn't work, then went back to the CD to play it and it just crashed with a repeating lightsaber sound effect 😅

[gloomy bolt]

OOOOH, it's Yoda Stories... run the binary through an endian reversal tool! </s>

A bad joke, that was.

[summer dragon]

lol

I launched it from CD and it seems to bo going fine

yeah I think I'm missing sound too hmm

[proper zodiac]

Yeah I had made a vhd of it and installed that way. The indy one was via floppy. Same thing

Thanks for testing

On indy I checked a YouTube playthrough that indeed had bgm

Was there any other deviations from the tutorial to get misterfs going?

[summer dragon]

it's weird the disk won't even install the exe for the game

[summer dragon]

nope

[proper zodiac]

https://youtu.be/OZpa-Nro0hc?si=bLjgQoDZGGSHd-fZ

You can see on this you get music right away from the boot screen

Windows 3.1 or 98 are certainly ideas to try

[gloomy bolt]

@summer dragon Win95 is working for me. What sounds aren't playing?

I just picked up R2 like he was a dog in Monkey Island.

[summer dragon]

like nothing is playing for me soundwize

[gloomy bolt]

Oh, I've got full sound.

Weird.

[summer dragon]

well or maybe i did get some at the start but then i didn’t hear anything

[gloomy bolt]

This game is... not...good.

[summer dragon]

@gloomy bolt were you able to install the game or are you playing from disc

maybe the copy I got was borked or something g

[gloomy bolt]

Lemme try both. I am playing from disc right now.

[summer dragon]

i’ll have to try again later

[summer dragon]

ok so it is pretty sparse…I didn’t hear those sound effects on mine, though

[gloomy bolt]

It does NOT like the iso being in E:. It can't find anything du ring setup. Looks like it really expects D:

[summer dragon]

i definitely heard the music though

i mounted the disc on mine so it was in D

[gloomy bolt]

Good, yeah the sounds are basically when you interact with anything, when your ship flies in, etc.

But it's super sparse.

[summer dragon]

setup completed successfully for me from what i could tell, but when i actually went to launch the game the exe wasn’t actually there

[gloomy bolt]

LOL, they lock windows controls when they put a dialog on screen. You can't exit until you interact.

Window close just does nothing. Hehe.

What a weird time in development.

[proper zodiac]

The .wav files are in the .iso

[turbid swallow]

How do you open a paired vhd/chd? is there a particular program?

[gloomy bolt]

You need an mgl file set up to mount them.

If you look at the _DOS GAMES directory you'll find the MGL files used for 0Mhz, which you can open with a text editor.

You'll see how they're laid out.

<mistergamedescription>
    <rbf>_computer/ao486</rbf>
    <file delay="0" type="s" index="2" path="media/chex quest/chex quest.vhd"/>
    <reset delay="1"/>
</mistergamedescription>

That's an example of one I made for Chex Quest. If you have a CD, you'd add:

    <file delay="0" type="s" index="4" path="media/chex quest/chex quest.chd"/>

In example.

[umbral oar]

those Yoda stories SFX are embedded in my mind forever, just reading about is has made them resurface...

[turbid swallow]

I need to edit a .bat file inside the VHD/CHD, so I'm looking to access the directories within

[summer dragon]

@turbid swallow for a VHD, either mount it in Windows or access the file directly from DOS on MiSTer

@gloomy bolt just tested with a different copy of the disc and I do have both music and sound in Yoda Stories

let's see if it actually installs this time around...

if not, I could play it from the disc (if I wanted to)

yeah weird, for some reason if I install it, it doesn't seem to install properly

[proper zodiac]

Huh

[turbid swallow]

I've tried Daemontools and Winzip but each one returns an "unrecognized media" or "unsupported format" or "it does not appear to be a valid archive" error - this is straight from the archive.org zip, though. Day of the Tentacle

other VHDs seem to be opening fine, what's the deal?

[summer dragon]

day of the tentacle eh?

hmm i could check it later

ahhh if I grab the files from the root of the disc and move them over to the yoda stories directory on my C: drive, it works

@turbid swallow VHDs can also be mounted in Windows directly via Disk Management

[turbid swallow]

hmm, that worked, thank you! - not sure why the other programs couldn't open it 🤷‍♂️

[spice hound]

Can you install windows 95 on mister?

[proper zodiac]

Yes 🙂

https://www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2021/03/28/mister-ao486-core-part-9-windows-95-install/

[summer dragon]

@spice hound you will probably need to use this other cd-rom driver instead of what’s in that guide: #1047332497492553799 message

[spice hound]

Heh - hugs his toy - mmmmm

I just realized I can play ultima 7 on mister

I can even play online games too!!!

[boreal drift]

A question likely asked already, but things seem to be moving fast so I'll ask to bring myself into the loop....the 0Mhz Collection, does that get periodically updated with user submission games that are listed outside of the archive? Ie, I see SimTower listed outside of the main Collection, but it's not included in the actual 0Mhz archive collection. I'm trying to decide the best way to keep my collection up to date, and am wondering if the torrent file gets periodically updated with new additions, or if they'll always have to be manualyl downloaded...

[copper slate]

There is the official 0mhz collection and there are user made submissions. You will need to manually download all the user made submissions.

There’s no convenient solution.

[proper zodiac]

Copied all the files onto the desktop but still no sound. I see all the .wav files in there but no associated program to open them.

I also tried booting the making magic featurette which showed these sound settings

I also don't get a windows boot sound now that I think about it

There is a test audio function as well that I don't hear anything either so maybe I did mess something up on install idk

[summer dragon]

oh yeah hm, yeah, you must have missed something...my guess is you didn't check the box during Win95 install where it asked about Network Adapter and Sound card/capture device

huh, it won't even let me access that making magic featurette

if I try to run it from disc, it says it can't access it

wonder if it could be an issue with me using CHD or something

maybe I need to use a different cd driver or something

[proper zodiac]

It takes a while to load

And runs from a dos window

So would I have to reinstall windows to fix?

[summer dragon]

i think you should be able to go into system settings and then install missing stuff directly from the windows setup disc

[spice hound]

But mister don’t support cd drive

[ruby bramble]

Just uploaded all the mario titles to archive. 6 educational titles and 2 bootleg platformers

[summer dragon]

I had to copy the files for the featurette over to the C: drive, but once I did, they work with sound

not sure why I can’t get it to work from the disc but oh well, not a huge deal

[copper slate]

I played the Mario’s Early Years with my kid, thank you! He’s 5 so it’s perfect for him.

[ruby bramble]

I am uploading mario teaches typing 2 on windows 3.1 right now

[gloomy bolt]

Everyone thinks it's Mario's body hanging in Luigi's Mansion. It's actually Mavis Beacon.

"She's sleepin' with the cheepcheeps."

(How old was everyone here when they found out Mavis Beacon was a character made up by marketing a la Betty Crocker?")

[copper slate]

Awesome! The Mario Teaches Typing CD was a huge hit with my kids. The floating Mario face was hilarious. Of course when the typing showed up they gave me the keyboard lol.

[ruby bramble]

Im glad you guys enjoyed it!

[copper slate]

Just a heads up you only uploaded the mgl.

[ruby bramble]

gaze apon my glorious mgl and marvel

(that would explain why it uploaded so fast)

[copper slate]

It’s honestly a really good mgl, I was very impressed

[ruby bramble]

to be fair you can also practice your typing in the mgl

you just wont have a disembodied mario head

[copper slate]

lmaaaaaao

[ruby bramble]

its fixed now

if you have any other educational requests let me know

or anything in general if it piques my interest ill add it to the list

[copper slate]

Here’s a short of cool educational DOS games. I hope you find them fun!

• Coaster
• Fatty Bear’s Birthday Surprise
• I.M. Meen
• Math Rescue
• Microsoft Space Simulator
• Museum Madness
• New Math Blaster Plus!
• Reader Rabbit 3
• Richard Scarry Busiest Neighborhood
• Super Solvers: Midnight Rescue
• Super Solvers: Treasure Mountain
• Treasure Galaxy

[vestal ginkgo]

I have fond memories of Math Blaster and Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing

[crimson fulcrum]

where's the Mario Teaches Typing?

[carmine thunder]

It's already part of the 0mhz collection

There's also the cd version on archive (which i presume the default one isnt the cd ver)

[crimson fulcrum]

I'm just poking at Robby and how his list of "cool educational dos games" doesn't have the best one

[carmine thunder]

oh right ha

sorry, read that list as titles to still be included

but you're right, it is the best one

[copper slate]

Yeah still to be included

[carmine thunder]

@ruby bramble thanks for the uploads. Just a small one.. looks like Mario Teaches Sums isnt packaged properly , the vhd is under games/ao486/media/ instead of games/ao486/media/Mario Teaches Sums

[ruby bramble]

IM meen is already on my list because of the cdi animation. And I do remember fatty bear because of the 3do. I'll have to research the rest.

[proper zodiac]

Got any stickybear?

Might be only mac

There also was a game I wanted to buy as a kid at best buy that I had to end up putting back because it was Mac only and we had PC. The only thing I remember is that it had monsters on the cover art

[ruby bramble]

Thanks for the heads up. It gets a bit disorientating doing these back to back sometimes lol. My bad. Fixing it now.

[ruby bramble]

Uploading a bunch of windows 3.1 titles tonight.

• Alice An Interactive Museum
• Burn Cycle
• Daedalus Encounter
• Halloween Harry 2 - Zombie Wars
• L-zone
• Plumbers Don't Wear Ties
• Yellow Brick Road
• Zeddas Servant of Sheoul

I've tackled most of the games I'm familiar with on the platform. Are there any important ones I'm missing?

[gloomy bolt]

I fully expect this to fail, but so far, so good.

(Obviously unrelated to the 0MHz stuff, as it's Win95)

[tawny egret]

its possible to play fallout 1 on mister?

[gloomy bolt]

We're about to find out

DX3a installed without issue. The setup program is throwing no tantrums. So far so good.

But it's gonna take a minute to install. Or 50.

[tawny egret]

@_@

[gloomy bolt]

I've got a really solid build of Win95 OSR 2.5 that generally runs stuff from the grey area of 95-97, albeit slowly.

I'm going to have to go to bed before install completes. It's been 10 minutes and I'm here...I realize now I should NOT have done a full HDD install since all the I/O runs at the same damned speed from the same damned media. Hehe. But I don't want to anger it. If I do it again, I'll try the tiny install since I'm guessing I'll get about the same performance out of the fake CD as the fake HDD.

[void belfry]

Fallout FMVs will fail under Win95 , so click to skip them

otherwise, it would work decent. Also, it would be better to have it patched to v1.1

[void belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZTJgbiP2IM

[gloomy bolt]

So far FMVs are working fine.

[void belfry]

well, the ending video is ran on DOS

[void belfry]

under windoze ?

[gloomy bolt]

Yeah

Just got to the War Never Changes narration.

[void belfry]

They crashed on my setup a year ago when I played it

[gloomy bolt]

Chills.

[void belfry]

niiiice

under DOS the FMVs work also, but not playable

[gloomy bolt]

Oh dang. That's a weird juxtaposition! Hopefully it holds. This isn't actually Ron Perlman in the first game, right? Doing the narration?

[void belfry]

actually it is

[gloomy bolt]

Holy shit

[void belfry]

hehehe, nice, eh ? 😄

[gloomy bolt]

Amazing!

[void belfry]

One of my fave games, that's why I insisted to finish it on MiSTer 😄

[gloomy bolt]

That caught me off guard. I'm so excited to play this! I need to switch to a real mouse tomorrow. This stick isn't cutting it. Hehe.

[void belfry]

I did some good things/bad mistakes, but it was a great experience (again). And I kept Dogmeat alive all the way to the end (lost count on reloads because the mutt goes berserk)

[gloomy bolt]

I'm extremely excited to get into this with a proper mouse setup. But... the cold embrace of unconsciousness awaits. G'night all!

[void belfry]

Good night, have fun tomorrow with Fallout 😄

[tawny egret]

omg! pls, share with us your vhd -

[copper slate]

Sorry, can’t ask for copyrighted materials on this server. It’s likely available elsewhere if you search. Thank you for understanding.

[void belfry]

I would encourage a DIY experience on installing the OS, game and other dependencies, as it is already documented (maybe some points need to be revised as things changed over the years) on the core. The how-to's are available either on forum or this Discord server and often re-shared

You may found some W95/98 VHDs floating around the net, but usual small sized and probably made in different core stages, so mileage may vary

[tawny egret]

No problem

[proper zodiac]

Hey guys, still having trouble with getting sound working on win95. I tried to install a sound driver (sound blaster pci128) but it didn't seem to do anything

Also checked the other settings in control panel but couldn't find anything

[void belfry]

try Creative SB 16 or Awe PnP one iirc (can't check right now)

[summer dragon]

@proper zodiac hm it worked for me out of the box. I think if you go to “add new hardware” you should be able to add sound drivers and directly install them from the setup disc…alternatively, you could do a fresh install and just make sure you check the box for sounds drivers when it prompts you during setup

[proper zodiac]

Thanks. Will try again

[proper zodiac]

YES!! got the sound working. Basically did what you said, but I don't have CD support yet, so I copied the windows iso to a vhd and then had it run a scan, and it found the right files

now I just need to fix the CD problem, and then file sharing and online would be a nice bonus to get those features going'

can you hook up to internet via win95 with just wifi or do you need to be hardwired in

[tawny egret]

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/computer/#ppp-connection-in-windows-9598-on-ao486 this should work over wifi, but keep in mind it’s an emulated dial-up connection so it’ll be fairly slow

[proper zodiac]

hell yea

figured it'd be fun to goof around with wayback machine

[tawny egret]

oh absolutely! it’s awesome for BBSes too

like I’d kill for tap device support so cores could have Ethernet networking, but mister’s modem emulation is fantastic for the old internet and BBS experience

[proper zodiac]

another thing that could be cool is messing with old photoshop

not sure which version of windows it originally ran on

bbs, that was before my time, had to look that one up

[tawny egret]

I know the early Mac versions are readily available

[proper zodiac]

yeah i want to mess with mac core, do you know if it's able to run macos7? That was one that I actually used back in the day

[tawny egret]

connecting to PETSCII BBSes from the Commodore 64 core is weirdly a lot of fun, because it’ll render all the PETSCII art exactly as you’d see it back then on a CRT, which isn’t an experience you get with just a terminal emulator

[tawny egret]

it should run system 7 just fine, I think! I’m trying to remember if I have system 6 or 7 on mine, but I can’t boot my mister right now to check

[proper zodiac]

awesome!

ive avoided computer cores for a while because I needed an incentive, and I knew they were more involved, but so far taking the plunge has been pretty rewarding

[summer dragon]

I will mention that I’ve tried setting up a dial-up connection in Windows 95 following the directions linked above and I have so far been unsuccessful in getting it working. If you get it, definitely let me know!

[gloomy bolt]

I've done it. But it's not really wroth it.

I went to a couple BBSes and frogfind.

[hollow ice]

Yeah, I set it up years ago, but I don’t even think I have that windows vhd around anymore

I seem to remember the instructions actually being more complicated than necessary?

[gloomy bolt]

C64 and Amiga as well. I like going to Parallels BBS on C64, but that's about the end of it.

[tawny egret]

I might try some telehack and dust off my SDF account tonight and see how those work from the c64

[karmic fog]

the MacPlus core can run up to System 7.5

set to 4MB RAM in the OSD if trying to load anything later than System 6, though

i have a vhd on a certain archive site called MacPack for FPGA which is a project i've been working on for a few years that compiles a pretty incredible amount of software for the core, including several versions of Photoshop

[gloomy bolt]

The best Mac core is still Amiga. And I'm not even kidding.

[karmic fog]

the MacPlus core is 1-bit color (B&W) only, though, so don't go looking for Mac II-era color here

Eh, ShapeShifter is mind-blowing but I long, lust for a native core

too many weird issues, and it's a nightmare to set up

i don't touch my ShapeShifter image anymore because it's too tedious to work with

it is good once you get going, though

esp in non-games

you can use later versions of Photoshop, Illustrator etc. there

256 colors, 640x480

it's quite fast too, though it complains if you try to do stuff intended for an 040 or any of the FPS games

if you download the macpack image and go poking around in the readme file, you'll find a link to the last WIP image i made for minimig/shapeshifter

i really should polish it up, but meh. not as fun as working on the older stuff for me haha

i guess when i use shapeshifter i start to get that feeling like

maybe i should just be using Basilisk II at this point

which itself descended from some ShapeShifter code somewhere along the lineage...

[proper zodiac]

havent set up anything on mac core, only ao486 but I am downloading the pack

[karmic fog]

it's very easy to use, just browse via the finder, only thing you need to do is make sure you put the Mac core on 4MB so it doesn't run out of memory when trying to load the OS

night and day compared to DOS haha

[gloomy bolt]

I'd love a better MacPlus core as well. But for what I use it for (and gaming has been pretty solid, actually) the ShapeShifter setup I have is perfect. That being said, yes, more work on all the cores is greatly appreciated!

[karmic fog]

how do you get files in and out of shapeshifter?

that was always my biggest challenge by far

if i could make that process easier, i could work on it some more

the main issue i had with games is it seems like there's some unavoidable screentearing and stuttering

most things do work quite well, even things like SimTower are very playable

[proper zodiac]

what is shapeshifter exactly?

[karmic fog]

with MAME slowly getting better 68k Mac support recently there should be at least some hypothetical pathways to a better core, although with Mac stuff it seems there's a two-tier issue with lack of interest and lack of sufficient documentation

Shapeshifter is an Amiga program which emulates a 68k Macintosh

[gloomy bolt]

I use MiSTer share for Amiga. It works really well.

[karmic fog]

since Amiga is also 68000, it runs way better than you'd expect

[proper zodiac]

ohhh

[karmic fog]

not to get too inside baseball here, but once you've gotten the files onto the Amiga, how are you getting them onto the emulated Mac?

does ShapeShifter have a function for it?

[gloomy bolt]

With the Shapeshifter shared hard file

[karmic fog]

hmm, i'll look into that

[gloomy bolt]

I mount it on the Amiga and drop everything on it there.

[karmic fog]

honestly i don't even recall how i've done the image setup at this point, just that it was wildly convoluted

[gloomy bolt]

I'm dead in the middle of Irem testing on pocket for VGE right now, but I'll grab a video later if you want.

[karmic fog]

that'd be actually fab, if it isn't too much trouble

ping me if you do get a chance to make a vid

i think i used the devicefile function and loaded a mac image directly? somehow?

but i don't recall how i've done it now and naive attempts to retry it failed

part of my trouble is that i'm very familiar with mac stuff, and very unfamiliar with Amiga and Workbench stuff

i did end up learning quite a bit of Amiga stuff, and it is really fun to play with

you've convinced me i should really try to get that image in better shape, Andy!

[carmine thunder]

Yeah I've got a win 95 vhd here that seems to connect to the internet using the dialer, but it's slow and terrible

[vestal goblet]

aka accurate 😉

[proper zodiac]

if only aim still worked

[carmine thunder]

haha yes

so yeah, works perfect!

but is annoying to find 29 years later that most websites have moved to https

[vestal goblet]

back in the covered wagon days, I lived in a house in southern tip of San Jose and our internet access was via a wireless modem company called Metricom. The trickly of data was so low, shared across 4 roommates who were all hackers, that Eudora and web browsers would hang and time out all the time.

I still know wire-level protocols for POP3, gopher, smtp, http, etc because I would telnet manually to check and send mail

I ended up working for a proxy-based firewall and IDS company, so it all worked out XD

[carmine thunder]

haha, think i remember doing something similar for checking pop3 emails

i was probably on a 9600 baud modem at that time still ?

14.4 was a good upgrade

[lunar trellis]

Any computer core deep-divers know what model and CPU Puu-san's WIP PC-98 uses offhand?

[gloomy bolt]

The clocks are 5 and 2.5Mhz, so I assume 8086.

Lemme crack the quartus archive and see if I can find exactly.

[crimson fulcrum]

are we thinkin about slapping wicker's V33 into it? (The early PC98s used V30 cpus)

[gloomy bolt]

It's using the Zet by Zeus Marmolejo, it looks like.

https://github.com/marmolejo/zet?tab=readme-ov-file

Looks like a lot of the links in the readme are dead.

[lunar trellis]

Yeah, I was also thinking the same, now we have a solid V30 core maybe someone could look at popping that in, although Puu's core generally need a lot of other work

It is interesting how long the PC-98 line ran for, I am not sure a lot of people who say "I want a PC-98 core!" realise the first ones date back to the early 80s and even predate the PC-88, and we aren't likely to ever get one of the later Pentium chip models

[crimson fulcrum]

I'd hazard a guess that most people want to play the Touhou games, which IIUC were kind of resource intensive games for their day, so it might be a struggle to build a PC98 powerful enough to run them

Pentium shouldn't be necessary though, those really late PC98s are sort of useless for "PC98 games"

actually nevermind, on second look, 486/Pentium is recommended for touhou

with a V30 though, we could build a PC-9801UV which would have decent compatibility with the games no one wants to play because they're all visual novels/adventure games in Japanese

[hollow ice]

@copper slate wants to play his fat baby games…

[lunar trellis]

Are the differences between systems in the range such that we would really need multiple cores for different systems?

[crimson fulcrum]

There's a break point between some systems where the dos game support gets more and more broken as you get newer and newer

put I'd suspect we wouldn't hit that because it comes around the pentium generation

just sort of thinking out loud about what a solid V30 would get us

[lunar trellis]

Do we have cores for all the other components in the V30 models?

[crimson fulcrum]

from a glance, it seems the sound chip is there in puu's core

v30 + PC-9801-26K sound card (YM2203) + sprinkle in some ram and baby, you got a pc9801 goin

[lunar trellis]

Interesting. Not sure if @waxen nymph has ever dug into Puu's PC-98 core, but he did a lot of work getting his PC-88 into Main and may know more about his viable this could be

[waxen nymph]

Not sure

[lunar trellis]

I imagine it may be an absolute nightmare for anyone to try take on, but I am not a dev

[karmic fog]

ohh, i remember why i didn't use the mister share method for file transfer, it means i end up having to transfer everything at amiga speeds

which with the amount of stuff i'm moving around, was immediately non-workable haha

it's good for basic stuff but once you get to the level of cd isos and such, it's not viable anymore since you can do the same thing in UAE orders of magnitude faster

[modest skiff]

I did a YT video setting up Windows 95 dial-up networking. Maybe this will help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K04EmK74pM

[summer dragon]

i’ll take a look!

[modest skiff]

You may also like this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=essroo7FwiM

[gloomy bolt]

Welp. I fucked up and somehow did not back up my config. I blew the AGS collection config over it. So I have to rebuild it from scratch now, which will take a while. But yes, it's Amiga speeds. Which isn't great, but it's not that bad.

[summer dragon]

ha thats pretty cool

[karmic fog]

oh nooo

[wind dew]

Ever use one of these?

[gloomy bolt]

That's before my time. Oldest real modem I've ever used is a 1200 baud. That looks cool as shit!

[wind dew]

Found it in a pile of Ham radio stuff

[tawny egret]

oh nice, you can still use that to scream data at another radio (though I think RTTY is fairly unpopular at this point cause it’s relatively bandwidth-inefficient). also it looks like it has an automatic CW (Morse code) mode? which is also pretty awesome

in short, fuck yes, turn your tree into an antenna and use that to scream packets at Europe

[wind dew]

I sold the amp I found with it, guy was SUPER excited to get it, had massive tubes in it

[tawny egret]

oh fuck an amp? I can see why, those don’t really go out of date

that’ll probably go straight into an HF setup

[wind dew]

Would this have reached Europe?

Like 600watts or something

[tawny egret]

oh that’s beautiful! so it depends on what the operator wants to do, but I believe that’s sufficient for voice when paired with the right antenna. interestingly the ad-hoc tree antenna can reach Europe on a couple watts of power, but that needs an ultra-efficient and resilient mode of data-only transmission called FT8 (which only really establishes enough of a connection to say “hello, here’s my callsign”)

https://www.arrl.org/digital-data-modes

[wind dew]

That's all the stuff I pulled out of the bin. I'm guessing the fellow passed (he did, I looked up his obituary, I guess the call sign is registered) and the family didn't know that to do with it so they turfed it.

I donated most of it to the local Ham club

They kept trying to get me to join (some of the nicest fellows I've ever met, for real) but I have too many hobbies

[tawny egret]

ahh yep, that’s usually how gear like this ends up on the market. donating this stuff is awesome of you — it’s out of date gear, but all of it’s still extremely usable (other than the modem of course, but shit, I’d seriously use that thing)

I fell hard out of my radio hobby, but my local scene isn’t as nice unfortunately — but that comes with the territory

[gloomy bolt]

I do NOT know how, but I somehow managed to overwrite all of my MiSTers with a corrupt hard drive. Except ONE (it was on wifi at the time and had a bad connection). So I'm recovering my Amiga image very slowly right now. 😦

So that sucked.

[strong yoke]

You could rename your config/vhds to not clash with MegaAGS or whatever others, to avoid that accident in future

[gloomy bolt]

Yeah, I know. This was a bonehead mistake on my part.

[strong yoke]

A "learning event" as we call them 🙂

Pronounced "ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"

[gloomy bolt]

I'm the pebcak

[hollow ice]

anyone built a microweb 0mhz image? https://github.com/jhhoward/MicroWeb

[void belfry]

it would be pointless imho, as each user has its own LAN configuration. Admittedly, most would have 192.168.0.0/24, with router/gateway .1 and hopefully .254 not in use by other device in user's LAN

Things would be more complicated when the router/gateway itself is .254 or having entire different LAN (from 10.0.0.x/whatever to 192.168.x.x area)

now, if anyone has a DOS VHD, the PPP connection is quite easy to make : https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/computer/#ppp-connection-in-ms-dos-on-ao486. Also more about MicroWeb and other DOS networking stuff : https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=72937#p72937

even if someone makes a VHD with DOS PPP/browsers/other networking software etc VHD working for the most common used 192.168.0.0/24 lan, it would still be on user's side to modify certain config files for the rest of community

my 2 cents, but if anyone has better ideas/needs help, lemme know 😄

[hollow ice]

it has been too long since I played with the ao486 and networking, you are probably correct

[void belfry]

or, if I'm thinking more, to have DHCP working on DOS, but for our ppp connection it didn't seem to work whatsoever.. so yeah...

worked on NT/W95/98, but DNS had to be either manually specified in OS or in ARM side ppp_options. QNX also had to put it manually in OS, but got the correct .254 IP for PPP

[void belfry]

the fun part is tha MicroWeb would work also on XT core 😛 #1047332497492553799 message

[tawny egret]

as a Commodore kid I’m finally getting into the ZX spectrum and Atari ST

what’s the best way to make the ST desktop less, ah, blazingly ugly, and is there a MiNT distro people usually prefer for mister?

[languid sparrow]

Wow, searching 0mhz in the archive just scanning the box art is a woah moment. I used to see all these at the game store as a kid with no money only imagining how amazing they looked.

[pure prism]

Speaking of 0mhz in the archive, is anyone else getting virus alerts when they try to download a file?

[gloomy bolt]

I haven't. What virus software are you using? I'm just running Defender because I like to live dangerously.

[summer dragon]

I get those notices through firefox sometimes…I just download anyways and haven’t had any problems…it’s just false positives

that said, I guess you never really know for sure, but my luck has been fine so far

[carmine thunder]

Yeah same, the box art always seemed to be half the experience as a kid ha.

[hollow ice]

I didn’t see ultima 8 in the collection. It should still work on the core?

[waxen brook]

Has anyone gotten Fallout 1 or 2 working with the individual VHD method? I've heard of people playing it on the core but havent tried it yet. Would be neat to see those running if possible

Just finished season 1 of the TV series and feeling the need to play those again lol

Also, we're playing Crazy Comets on the Commodore 64 for the current Game Challenge: https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/1003529361275748392

Submit scores & suggest SID/Filter combinations for the awesome Ron Hubbard soundtrack if you want. Just a fun score competition as always. 🙂

[gloomy bolt]

Not with the individual VHD method. The overhead of Windows 95 kinda makes doing VHD packages for it overkill, IMO.

But I have it working on Win95 fine.

With FMVs and everything.

[void belfry]

Fallout 2 also runs, but slower than Fallout 1. Finished the village quests, but is not that enjoyable to play it on ao486 as first game

[gloomy bolt]

That's awesome though!

[void belfry]

yeah, didn't expect them to run at all

[cold crane]

I have Crazy Comets theme song stuck in my head now. Send help.

[gloomy bolt]

Yebs. It's catchy.

[brave sentinel]

Do you know how fiddly those are to get running on a modern pc? I bought a collection of 1+2+tactics when fallout 3 was the new hotness but never got them to work.

[void belfry]

I used GOG versions on modern PC (as modern can still be my I5 at least), under Win 7, 10, no issues

plus they are patched, so most of old bugs are corrected, high-res support added and so on

Now, if you have the original versions.. never tried them since Win 7 appeared and moved from XP, so no clue how they will behave, probably will throw DirectX errors at least

[void belfry]

I also have a Dell Optiplex XP machine (some P4, not impressive, but gets job done) for stuff like Wizardry 8, Fallout 1-2, Vampire Masquerade and the likes from early-mid 2000 era

[tall grotto]

nope and I'm using Windows Defender. Some antiviruses block pirated content I've seen, falsely identifying it as malware

[potent copper]

The 0mhz games on the Archive by user MisterTea are apparently not downloaded by Misterchrister’s script. Can anyone confirm?

[copper slate]

I dunno, I just grab em all manually

[waxen brook]

Good point. Need to work on a win95 install sometime.

[proper zodiac]

I somehow through the 0mhz have dune autobooting on the core now. If anything I would prefer to autoboot win95

[turbid swallow]

Spice must flow

[pure prism]

Must have been fixed since trying last week. Had no issues at all last night.

[lunar trellis]

Has anyone made a 0mhz for Jack In The Dark, now?

[gloomy bolt]

<please don't be a Paul Rubens game, PLEASE don't be a Paul Rubens game...>

This looks delighfully silly... I've never heard of it before today.

[summer dragon]

@lunar trellis yes it’s available

[ruby bramble]

Last time I played jack in the dark I got arrested.

[gloomy bolt]

I decided to try it again and it's still working. Basically nothing loads apart from a few specific retro sites and Frog Find.

(I haven't tried dialup on Win95 MiSTer prior to today for probably a year or so)

[ruby bramble]

Yes, but can you get to the space jam website?

[gloomy bolt]

Nope. That's the first thing I tried

They updated it with Legacy

😦

[ruby bramble]

those monsters

[carmine thunder]

Yeah I struggle to find anything useful browsing the web in 95.. Main website of any use (at least for me) is our government weather department here in Australia. http://bom.gov.au , apparently they still have enough http traffic still coming from wherever to keep that alive hah.

[crimson fulcrum]

just browse Japanese sites, even in modern browsers it feels like the early 00s

[hollow ice]

Who knew that they were really retro futuristic back then

[crimson fulcrum]

Japan has been in the year 2000 for the past 40 years

[wind dew]

*monstars

[sweet scarab]

A bit off topic. While searching on IA I found a somewhat sketchy looking 'Golf Turf Master' for Windows 95/98/2000. Found a couple youtube videos of it as well. Wondering a.) Was this a legit release? b.) is it just a Neo Geo emulator under the hood (music in the youtube video is terrible) and c.) could it even remotely run in ao486?

[compact comet]

I have a question, on my hard drive my folder is AO486, but when I download Rusty it wants to be put in ao486 and looks for the VHD there. Any way I can change that?
EDIT I fixed it, the mlg was looking for VHD "rusty" not "RUSTY......

[summer dragon]

@compact comet I believe if your hard drive is formatted as NTFS, filenames/folders are case sensitive. If it’s exFAT, it doesn’t matter

[gloomy bolt]

Can we get the VHD tool pinned, btw? I dunno who mods this thread.

[compact comet]

Yep I saw that while searching for answers and have run into that problem before. Is there any benefit to have my hard drive formatted to NTFS anymore?

[summer dragon]

honestly not sure if there's any benefit of NTFS over exFAT...maybe if you're also using the drive for something else that isn't MiSTer and also requires the drive to be NTFS? If not, it does seem like having it just be exFAT would be easier

[compact comet]

Yeah its used just for the MiSter, thanks for chiming in. I also put in a vote to have the VHD tool pinned.

[summer dragon]

my VHD tool?

speaking of that...hoping to have a better v1.0 out by early next week

possibly tomorrow if I can get done what I want to get done before my buddy shows up later in the afternoon

[turbid karma]

https://github.com/microsoft/MS-DOS idk if anyone has talked about it here yet... but

[vestal ginkgo]

We can distribute dos 4.0 now with vhds 😄

4.0 is a weird choice

[ruby bramble]

I fixed the syntax in rusty. My apologies but on my system in testing nothing seems to be case sensitive, so it worked for me.

[gloomy bolt]

"Sin tax? What, just because I enjoy the occasional bourbon and lady of the evening I'm supposed to pay for some hippy to learn basketweaving at a, ugh, STATE college?"

[opal void]

where is this from

[gloomy bolt]

Venture Bros. I made up the quote though.

[compact comet]

Oh not a problem! I figured it had something goofy to do with case sensitive stuff, I got it all figured out on my end. Thanks for getting the game easily running on the core.
Though I am checking every mgl against the VHD's im downloading now.......maybe its time to jump on the exFAT bandwagon.

[ruby bramble]

Oh is formatting the reason why it works for me and not you?

[ruby bramble]

If you happen to find any more of my syntax errors (im sure theres quite a few) just let me know and ill fix them

[compact comet]

Yeah it was just a matter of matching the VHD and ISO's with the exact upper or lowercase path in the mgl's

I just downloaded Totsugeki Mix and your MGL says "totsugeki mix"
while your VHD says "TOTSUGEKI MIX" which gave me the issue

my drive treats both as 2 different files

[ruby bramble]

so the fact that im on exfat ignores that issue?

[compact comet]

yep

lol

[ruby bramble]

dang ill have to go through all my uploads then

[compact comet]

well I can move my stuff over to exFAT. I think when I formatted the drive it was a while ago and the MiSTer didn't support exFAT or there were incompatibilities? I dunno

Ive had my MiSter since the days before update_all and the retrodriven scripts, used to have to build your own Mame roms

[ruby bramble]

thats og lol

i got mine in late 2019

ill still go back and fix any mismatches i find

[compact comet]

I see you have 43, I can work from alphabetically from the bottom up right now

[thick pendant]

all even number DOS versions were duds...

[vestal ginkgo]

I kind of liked Dos 5.0

just enjoying the code comments left in

wish more developers were like this

> invoke path_search   ; find the mother (result in execpath) > or AX, AX ; did we find anything?

> je badcomj45   ; null means no (sob)

> cmp AX, 04H    ; 04H and 08H are .exe and .com

> jl rsrch_br1   ; f$ckin' sixteen-bit machine ought

> jmp execute    ; to be able to handle a SIXTEEN-BIT ```

to [1]:```

poor Tim

[thick pendant]

ancient 16bit segmented architecture assembly... fun 🙂

[umbral oar]

I love code comments with loads of personality, I was really sad to have to delete one a little while ago at work about how "android driver vendors must have been huffing paint while reading the Vulkan spec"

[vestal ginkgo]

So many great ones

https://github.com/microsoft/MS-DOS/blob/2d04cacc5322951f187bb17e017c12920ac8ebe2/v4.0/src/BIOS/MSBIO1.ASM#L82

[patent temple]

;   REV 2.15	7/13/83 ARR BECAUSE IBM IS FUNDAMENTALY BRAIN DAMAGED, AND

[ruby bramble]

o lawd this could be a long night lmao

[compact comet]

yeah lol, well zyclunt needs a folder and the stuff doesnt match there

thats all the farther I am.......

[ruby bramble]

well itll be a quick fix once i have it all in front of me

thanks for your help!

[summer dragon]

someone mentioned that Zyclunt crashes at a certain point too…

[ruby bramble]

@compact comet and my apologies for my sloppy mistakes putting the zips together, pulling some long hours and ill just have to triple check going forward

[summer dragon]

@ruby bramble and yeah, best practice is to follow 0MHz formatting and make game folder names and VHD names lowercase

or just make sure that the folder names in the MGL match the actual filenames and folder names casewise

that should be fine too

just can’t have case mismatched for best compatibility

[ruby bramble]

if you have any more details on the zyclunt crash id be curious to look at it

[compact comet]

No worries about the mistake, your good. Ive only just been booting the games fixing the file system. But when I play i'll let you know

[ruby bramble]

For those intetested I just uploaded three 2d mech based platformer/shooters to archive.org! (iron blood, saf, and astrocounter of crescents)

[uncut void]

Anybody know, where I can see what games are in the "unofficial 0MHz Collection"? Can't find it on archive.

I mean, the ones mentioned in the 0mhz_downloader.sh (# Also download unofficial 0mhz games found on archive.org. CAUTION: Games might not work. Make sure you have enough space since it will be way over 100 extra games
)

[summer dragon]

@uncut void Since the extra games are all separate uploads, I don’t think anyone has gone through and catalogued them (there are also more getting added constantly). The only thing I could think of would be to check the log of the updater script after downloading them?

[uncut void]

Ok, but how does the download script find them? I don't understand the code.

echo "Checking archive.org for unofficial 0mhz addons..."
while read identifier; do
# Fetch XML file and extract zip names, process one identifier at a time

looks to me like there are names in an xml-file

[summer dragon]

@coral barn made the script and can maybe shed light there

[coral barn]

Unofficial add-ons works different than the official 0mhz stuff

Unofficial add-ons part of the script looks for 0mhz packages on archive and downloads them.

[lyric breach]

The 0mhz project - which is amazing -is getting to a size where categorisation meta data and best of lists would be really helpful for users new to DOS gaming.

[quaint dawn]

Any way to edit a 0mhz collection mgl file so that it boots a game with a controller preconfigured to simulate keyboard input? Like d-pad = arrow keys for example.

[silent arch]

https://youtu.be/gFeKnDb8Sf0

Finally did a 2-LOOP CLEAR on Gradius MSX! 😎

[summer dragon]

@quaint dawn yes. scroll down to my comment: https://github.com/0mhz-net/0mhz-collection/issues/19#issuecomment-2025660853

the way I do it does require unstable mister main at the moment

[opal void]

there is an MSX channel 😉

[ruby bramble]

This is an obscure game request but I'm trying to convert as many 3do console exclusives over as I can as part of my uploads, and also making a 'makeshift 3do core' of sorts with mgls, and I cant seem to find a game called Cyberdillo that apparently came out for dos and 3do. Wikipedia and a few databases says it exists but I havent been able to find it yet.

If anybody can point me in the right direction feel free to DM me. Thanks in advance!

[opal void]

did you look for it in TDC?

my software archive is offline right now but you can get that collection with a bit of googlefu

[ruby bramble]

i was unaware of that collection, still not seeing it just yet, but i also hace no solid release date info on the dos version, only rhe 3do version

[opal void]

http://www.totaldoscollection.org/nugnugnug/

[ruby bramble]

its listed in the 1996 miss txt file

does that mean its lost media for the time being?

[opal void]

indeed

nobody has archived it

[ruby bramble]

scary how much stuff is here just under 1996

[opal void]

is its 3DO port archived?

[ruby bramble]

I think frank cifaldi put out a figure that said something like 80 percent of all games are still unarchived. dont remember the percent now

3do is easy to find

i just wanted to get it going on the mister

[opal void]

that's unfortuante

who Frank Cifaldi though?

[ruby bramble]

video game preservationist guy. he owns the video game history foundation.

[opal void]

damn, that's a tough job...

[ruby bramble]

tell me about it hes been at it since like 2004

[sleek escarp]

I’m pretty sure that figure was referring to games that aren’t playable or available for purchase on modern platforms. The vast majority of gaming history has been preserved thanks to piracy, but is out of reach for most normal people who aren’t in the piracy/emulation scene.

[ruby bramble]

yes, you may be right. i prefer to be wrong in this case as that is a far less scary reality.

[gloomy bolt]

Has anyone had any luck getting Sierra games with awful SB support to work? I got Jones in the Fast Lane working using Adlib (not ideal), but Mixed Up Mother Goose won't work even with correct ports. It looks like it patches a driver on the fly, which is very odd, and drops it in the install directory. No settings seem to work. I've verified C/MS enabled (that is what it's looking for) but no love. I think maybe I'll just add it to the growing list of Windows Only games, as I'm guessing it'll work fine there.

[short finch]

I have that game in my video games archives. @ruby bramble

[gloomy bolt]

I thought I did, too, then I realized it said cyberDILLO.

[ruby bramble]

If you do. you should upload it someplace because total dos archive has it listed as lost media.

and naturally ill make a pack out of it

[short finch]

I will inform TotalDOS later, I know them since ages.

Is it possible to DM you ?

[ruby bramble]

by all means

[formal whale]

Discord is a black hole for info like this, I hope you have posted this to forum. Is that for monitors only or TVs as well?

[formal whale]

Lovely to see an upgraded OPL3 in AO486... crossing my fingers that someone comes along one day and fixes the now broken composite support as well. 😔

[opal void]

Please DM too, thanks ❤️

[spice hound]

Just to recap you guys are saying it is impossible to port Mega65 to MisterFPGA?

[elfin oxide]

I believe Sorg stated it would fit but saw no point in doing it as it was very incomplete at the time. The M65 team have spent the past year porting the MiSTer C64 core to the Mega65...

[spice hound]

But now it changed

Mega 65 progressed a lot

[elfin oxide]

but its still useless as it has no software really

[spice hound]

Can they try again?

lol

You win

I mean you did not even sugar coated it heh

[elfin oxide]

Even ZX Next is a struggle

[spice hound]

lol

Yeah! I am using my mister for apple // only….-sigh- so relaxing -deep sigh-

[elfin oxide]

The C65 was a odd computer to use as a base in the first place as it only existed as a prototype. There was a single scene demo made for it i believe

[spice hound]

C65 came late

Even c128 is odd

Should not have been made in the first place

[elfin oxide]

Commodore made many mistakes over the years. The C64GS is possibly the pinnacle of them

[spice hound]

Loool

Let us not forget Amiga 600 what was that about ?!

[hollow ice]

Amiga 600 was way ahead of its time 😄

[spice hound]

Amiga 600 is child defects by result of Amiga 500 mating with Amiga 1200

[hollow ice]

A relatively powerful computer in console size and portability. Grab it, bring it to play at your friends.

[spice hound]

Now had Amiga 1200 mated with Amiga 4000 perhaps we get double power -grin-

[elfin oxide]

I liked the A600, Its what the A500+ should have been

The AGA chipset was far too late really

The best days of the Amiga was OCS/ECS

and the CD32 was the final nail in the coffin for Commodore especially when they were banned from importing them into the US for sale

[spice hound]

Because it screamed commodore? - grin-

You mean had cd32 was not nailed commodore will still be amongst us?

[elfin oxide]

I doubt it with the way it was managed after Jack left but they might have been around a bit longer

The good thing was the C64 was still being sold right up to the collapse ..

[spice hound]

So if both jack and cd32 was not like that commodore would still exist in 2024?

[elfin oxide]

You would like to think so but look what happened to Atari which Jack ran after leaving Commodore.

[spice hound]

Died?

[elfin oxide]

Jack stepped away from managing Atari in the late 80s and his son took over who had a heart attack in the 90s

Jack did help in the collapse of the Atari in the early 80s too

[spice hound]

lol

[elfin oxide]

Commodore/MOS produced all the Atari carts, so helped the over stocking of the likes of ET etc

[spice hound]

Yup. These two companies their fate sealed to die and die they did.

I think these two companies would have died anyways even if bill gates himself ran it with intention of success.

[elfin oxide]

The C64 was the best selling single computer in history before the Raspberry Pi which was some feat and I would argue the Amiga was the biggest leap we ever saw in home computing which is a nice legacy

[spice hound]

Heck these companies would have died even if the entire human race worked hard to make it successed so do not fret.

[elfin oxide]

The Amiga never replaced the C64 for me, The C64 will always be my favourite platfrom

[merry valve]

These 3DO ports are cool, thanks for uploading them. I take it is Road Rash not possible since it was on Windows?

[ruby bramble]

You dont truly know until you try to boot it up. Road rash is one of my favorites, so ill definitely attempt it.

[cedar isle]

My Mister has been in a box for two weeks as we rehab our 1890's home here in Baltimore. All these 0mhz updates are giving me fomo. (Also, we have no kitchen appliances.)

[opal void]

rehab? do you mean renovate?

[cedar isle]

Oh yes

[gloomy bolt]

(Spoilered for 90s bulges and humor)
Made a 'distributable' package for a win95 game setup. This seems wasteful to me as the 95 install is an additional 90MB of overhead per game, versus a few MB like DOS. But it allows single-launch games like 0MHz.
Customizations are the LOGO.SYS file for the loading screen, removed unnecessary features, updated shell to launch the game itself, removed autoscan for ScanDisk so you can shut it off like a DOS game. The total file size zipped is 487MB with CD media and 654MB decompressed with a 408MB CHD and a 256MB VHD (this could be dialed in more. There is 114MB used with the Duckman install and 141MB free, so about 125MB could safely be chopped off of the base install VHD for this specific game)

[ruby bramble]

Thanks so much Andy, i was stressing about how to shrink that down

thats incredible

[gloomy bolt]

It's cool to launch via controller for sure. Good game for that, too.

[ruby bramble]

I think the amount of windows 95 games that are going to run well and be elible for this treatment is going to be a small amount. so im fine with a bit of filesize overhead

[gloomy bolt]

For sure. I think I'm going to do Beavis and Butthead next.

Just get that whole 90s cartoon pantheon assembled.

[gloomy bolt]

I realize I need to update the base image to set CDROM to E, not auto. Or something higher up the chain. Maybe H for...toy.

[ruby bramble]

Theres virtual stupidity. and then the duckman people made a sequel "do u" also on windows 95

[gloomy bolt]

OK, Virtual Stupidity is a windowed game. Gross. Like, it actually spawns Windows windows for media playback. So I'll stick to PS1 on that one.

Too bad. I liked my logo.sys for this one.

[waxen brook]

gotta be some way to fix that. I dont remember it being like that when I played on PC

[gloomy bolt]

Maybe there's an updated version. Full screen is greyed out and the help file specifically says the videos swap to windowed even in full screen.

It's very proud it doesn't have to (and can't) be installed... I'm sure it can be copied.

But I haven't tried

[sleek escarp]

Virtual Stupidity also runs on scummvm if you’re interested

[gloomy bolt]

Oh, for sure. That seems kind of like the best way to play, it seems.

[tight flare]

Hi everyone. I have started to dig into some of these other types of cores, and I was wondering: Do folks have any insight into the PC-98 and the potential for a core?

I've been looking at some forum posts and it seems like most of the chatter stopped on those in 2022-2023

[gloomy bolt]

Yeah, it's basically frozen. There has been a small amount of activity on that and FM-Towns, but the Puu cores (X68000 as well) are all kind of in a state of arrested development, with X68000 being the most complete.

[proper zodiac]

Wondering if it's worth it to set up an autolaunch of my beloved yoda stories. Probably not. Also locked into window'd mode

[tight flare]

It seems as though BIOS were some of the biggest issues.

I found this which was interesting:

https://nicolasmontanaro.com/blog/pc98-mister/

[thick pendant]

Yes, I'd rather run it on PlayStation or ScummVM that have a compromised windowed W95 experience...

[gloomy bolt]

Honestly, my favorite part about this so far has been making the windows loading screens. They're fun to see. I have a couple really solid template VHDs made at different sizes to accommodate install requirements, as stripped down as I can get them. So I'm literally making packs that I would never use just to make the boot screens.

[ruby bramble]

Loving the windows 95 stuff youve sent my way incredible stuff

[vestal ginkgo]

Now go back and add splashcreens to every DOS image in 0mhz using BANNER/BLACKOUT from the Shareware pack 😄

[gloomy bolt]

DOS-LOGO is an nice opensource for that, btw!

That's Amiga level territory. Hehe.

Is paulb-nl on the discord? He's a CD wizard.
I wonder if creating a helper for Redbook would be possible as done on the other CD cores. I know redbook as a standard is not the same as direct play but rather than relying on the AO486 core dev, I wonder (out loud, to the fpgairies) if the core dev should look at the CD helper stuff for implementing that rather than in the CD functionality of the FPGA. Pipe those channels out to HPS and let the helpers deal with them to get Redbook.

[fleet cave]

? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking here?

[gloomy bolt]

I am not sure of it either, myself. But looking through the helpers for CD systems, the handling of things like subchannel data and audio data seem to be picked up by the c++ helper files in HPS. The control functions appear (from a very limited understanding of the Support module) to be piped to the Linux side for actually streaming the audio. I'm very likely wrong on this. Again, I was wondering aloud, so thank you for granting my wish, even if the answer is 'nah, you're absolutely wrong.'

Redbook has been sort of stagnant for 3 years on the AO486 side, and the original core dev (not Alexey) seems like they got stuck on redbook half a decade ago and stopped looking into it.

Alternately, maybe the wiki is just out of date?

[fleet cave]

it is out of date

you can do cd audio on ao486

[gloomy bolt]

Ah, I haven't even been trying because of the wiki. Thanks

[granite umbra]

https://github.com/pcornier/FM-7_MiSTer

[thick pendant]

Amiga/Minimig too

[gloomy bolt]

Sweet! Verified in Alien Trilogy (unplayable due to framerate, but that's what the PSX/Saturn cores are for!)

Thanks again @fleet cave ... I dunno why I never just TRIED it. Don't believe everything you read, I guess.

[fleet cave]

yeah, I added it to amiga which meant adding support to the shared ide HPS code, so sorg added it to ao486 shortly after.

[gloomy bolt]

That's awesome!

[ruby bramble]

So earlier today i got quarantine to work and uploaded it on archive for everybody. Somebody requested i do it so im letting you all know.

However i could not get the redbook audio to work, so theres no music at the moment.

If anybody has any suggestions for fixes feel free to dm me, or download it yourself and poke through it to see what i overlooked.

Thanks in advance

[surreal marsh]

So is cd32 now available?

[fleet cave]

it's complicated and someone like the amigavision folks would know better. I think you still need some idefix cd32 "emulator"

I think cd32 was the one that moved the cdrom controller do some other chip, so it's not expecting it on the 'normal' ide bus or something

[lunar trellis]

Some people have managed to emulated CD32 in the minimig core, through a way that seemed really convoluted to a layman like me. However native CD32 support in the core won't be possible based on Sorg's comments on GitHub, it would need someone to make a bespoke CD32 sister core sadly

[fleet cave]

the cd32 emulation wasn't too bad, kinda wondering if they didn't sneak that into amigavision

[hollow ice]

I think amigavision relies on whdload which won’t support cd audio?

[gloomy bolt]

Shhhh... if you aren't careful you folks are going to summon The Town with No Name.

[ruby bramble]

Ive been working on town with no name off and on for a few weeks....

i cant get music to work

on dos that is, not cd32

[gloomy bolt]

I got Loadstar booting. But the L1 cache is causing issues. Off, it doesn't run at all. On it runs at hyper speed. I cracked open the exe and found a system setting (SET ROCKET=) and some options, but they aren't working. Best I can get is Benny Hill speed with no [DISK ERROR] message. I've tried about every combo of sysctl configuration and about every ROCKET combo.

ROCKET= settings...�r
SET ROCKET=(options) to override the default CD-ROM calibration, where:
  C[1-99]    Percentage of time to spend reading the CD
  D[0-255]    Delay in milliseconds between reads
  F[0-1]    Should reads go through the DOS file system?
  P[0-1]    Should reads be preempted?

�-99
Press any key to exit...�enDo you want to play anyway? (Y/N) �iunable t

[uneven cliff]

Love this.

Can you distribute it as the 1Mhz pack 🤔

Also the loogie game in Virtual Stupidity = the best

[gritty sun]

Can someone assist me with the 0Mhz Collection, i had exodo top 300 but I would like to just have a curated game collection. I deleted everything in my games >>AO486 folder and just dragged one game onto my sd card

keep getting a black screen

is there something else i need to do?

i was reading there is an updater script but i can't seem to find it

[copper slate]

You need to also use the included config file

You likely had some settings by default that’s looking for the top300 vhd. So you want to make sure you’re using the one provided by the 0mhz collection.

[gritty sun]

yeah the only config file I have is the one provided with the game I have

not sure if this helps

[copper slate]

Is the game in media/fat/games/ao486/media ?

[gritty sun]

it is

[copper slate]

Alright, can you show me what your hardware settings are?

In the core options

[gritty sun]

sure !

[copper slate]

Hmmm uhhh, that all looks correct

[gritty sun]

really?

lol

[copper slate]

Maybe

What’s your video settings?

“Audio & Video”

[copper slate]

Try setting vsync to 60hz and see if that helps

[gritty sun]

k lemme reboot

[copper slate]

I really hope it works because otherwise I’m out of ideas

[gritty sun]

brutal.. didn't do anything

[copper slate]

Damn I’m sorry dude

[gritty sun]

No thanks man, i appreciate the assistance, i'm on the right track

at least

i wish i had a bigger sd card, i could just use the updater

i finally found it

[copper slate]

What’s you ur SD card size?

[gritty sun]

16gb

[copper slate]

Oh my gosh yes

[gritty sun]

i have an external HDD

i use

so i just left it

[copper slate]

OHHHH ok

[gritty sun]

lol

maybe time to upgrade.

[vestal ginkgo]

Deleted everything including the boot roms?boot0 and boot1 have to be there or you will get a black screen but the core menu will still come up

My guess

[gritty sun]

that's def what it is then

okay... thanks, let me get those again

[vestal ginkgo]

Add those back

[gritty sun]

you guys are awesome

that worked

thanks @copper slate & @vestal ginkgo

[dark yarrow]

is there any reason why my MegaAGS.hdf isn't showing up in the OSD when I'm trying to load it in the Amiga core? It's definitely there...

was working fine last time I booted it up, but that was quite a while back

[turbid swallow]

Does Fallout 1 work with Ao486 DOS? Surprised that it isn't anywhere on Archive or in the 0mhz pack

[vestal ginkgo]

FYI you can use the updater too, just open the script and change the path to your external disk

[vestal ginkgo]

not really no, right out of bounds for the processor. @void belfry did a bunch of testing

[sudden ice]

Upgrade it

Even if you use external hdd

[gritty sun]

I just grabbed a 256gb one just for the dos stuff going forward.

Can i just copy the contents onto it and it will work?

[gloomy bolt]

Works ok with windows. I have it running. Fmvs and everything. It's a bit slow, but no worse than the first computer I played it on

I shared video further up the thread a week or so ago

[copper slate]

Oh don’t thank me, I didn’t do anything! I should’ve thought of that suggestion though.

I’m happy you’re back in business though. The Top 300 and 0Mhz collections are an amazing gift for the community.

[gritty sun]

Naw man i appreciate anyones effort, i’m new to mister so its been awesome to have a discord group who actually helps

And yah i’m very excited for the dos stuff, the exodos top 300 was really cool but i found a lot of it not optimized and i’m not good with that kinda thing so thought i’d switch it up and curate it

[gloomy bolt]

"Y'all got anymore of them water chips?"

[vestal ginkgo]

oh right, sorry you did it! Forgot

did you clean up windows at all or do anything for speed?

[gloomy bolt]

Not yet. I'll do that today... Here's hoping that improves it further.

[gloomy bolt]

OK, I got a pack set up and it runs a touch better than a full fat Win95 install. Still pretty slow but not the worst thing in the world. I/O speed seems to still be the killer. #share-media message

[vestal ginkgo]

way better than dos version

weird

I wonder if it is a linear frame buffer thing where LFB is enabled with Win95 but we never went back and tested UNIVBE with LFB + Fallout after Alex fixed it in dos... hmmm....

[gloomy bolt]

Oh, that is interesting....

[vestal ginkgo]

I dont see uvconfig with anything in the install

just this note in the readme ```(3.4) WINDOWS NT

Currently, Fallout will not install to a Windows NT platform.
A version of the installer that will install to Windows NT is
being planned, and will be available from our website.

While Fallout does not officially support Windows NT, it will run
as long as you have Service Pack 3. This is required since the
Win95 version of Fallout requires DirectX 3.0a or higher. You can
get Service Pack 3 from Microsoft.

(3.5) DOS MACHINES

The DOS version of Fallout is very memory intensive. Your system
memory useage should be as small as possible (minimal memory
resident programs and drivers, just enough to run the game.) The
BOOTME program provided on the Fallout CD-ROM will help you
create a diskette with an AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS that is
"bare bones." If you find you are having problems running the
DOS version, then you should use the BOOTME program or make your
own minimal boot files.

and it also says that if the win95 version is slow to install the dos version and run it from the win95 command window

which is also weird

----------------------------------
If you are playing the Win95 version, and find the game to
be running slowly, you can try these tips:

 * Adjust your Read Ahead cache for your CD-ROM drive.
   You may experience glitches with movies depending on your
   particular CD-ROM drive.

 * Install and run the DOS version from a DOS box.

 * Reinstall the Win95 version, but use a larger installation
   size.  Slow gameplay with a small installation version is
   probably the result of slow CD-ROM access.

[gloomy bolt]

Yeah, for us that matters less I believe (I may be wrong). CD and HDD are reading from the same source. There may be some specifics as to why that's wrong...but the install I have in the pack is the 15MB tiny install.

[vestal ginkgo]

also interesting: https://github.com/Edw590/F1DP

[hollow ice]

Interesting, wonder how it performs on nt

[vestal ginkgo]

yeah might be an option

[gloomy bolt]

The Mac version of Monkey Island looks pretty interesting....

It's got a weird oil paint look to it.

[tawny egret]

and it’s got Patrick Mundy

[gloomy bolt]

It's the Mundy Island Special Edition

[inland sinew]

Hey, out of curiosity, have people successfully run old console game emulators on the AO486 core? Like genecyst, Zsnes, and Nesticle?

[ruby bramble]

Zsnes would be dope. That ui is iconic

[gloomy bolt]

Never done that, but I've done the NESMac emulator on System 7.5 emulated via shapeshifter on the minimig core. It was awful. But fun to do.

[gloomy bolt]

Not for nothin' but searching night-trap_202405 on (i)a site is a good way to find a thing.

Dunno if the mysterious uploader will be adding more, but I think they probably will.

[void belfry]

Some of them work, some will need FPU to work (even with Q87 performance will be low). #1047332497492553799 message and also https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=6639

[inland sinew]

@void belfry have older versions of Zsnes been checked?

[void belfry]

didn't check other than v1.51, probably older ones work too

iirc,had some issues with sound with Zsnes, but as i said, it was just to see if it runs at all, didn't go deeper than trying few games/demos

[zealous orchid]

do any of the tools that work with actual vhd files work to make the vhd for this core? so far i have only been able to get a dd created vhd to boot which isn't really a vhd

for ao486 core

[vestal ginkgo]

two different paths you can take by two different developers. The easiest is is ItalianGrandma's VHD Kitchen, straight forward, just works if you want something custom and quick

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=85737#p85737

[light hound]

I recommend create a vhd with 86box with 1024 cylinders, works on ao486 and 86box

[summer dragon]

yeah that is one thing…I’ve been able to verify that the VHDs created with my VHD Kitchen work with ao486, but not 86box

[zealous orchid]

the 86box route is what i haven been trying as well as some python stuff and even the windows dm... ill try the 1024 cylinder setting and see if i can get it going... just for one offs not in 0mhz etc

[gloomy bolt]

Here's a fun, stupid thing I'm doing... #share-media message

[woven lava]

loving the 0mhz collection

but it made me realize one of my MiSTers might not work with MT-32pi (it has no sound even though it connects to it)

will have to check if the IO board has everything soldered

[wild spruce]

Before you start reflowing solder, double check your DE10 Nano dip switch settings. My MT32 wasn't working because I had them configured wrong for my IO board (but everything else on the IO board worked fine) because I didn't pay attention to the switches . The switch numbering is in descending order from what I would consider to be the front of the board.

[wild spruce]

Another thing, I found a large number of the 0mhz MT32 configs were set up incorrectly (at least initially). Most LucasArts games either didn't work or used the wrong MIDI (though it was interesting hearing the Star Wars theme done entirely in kettle drum 🙂 ). If some games don't work, try a few more by different companies. I think the Wing Commander and Dune games worked right from the start.

[woven lava]

ooh good to know! will check that

the MT32pi responds and I can see it reacting to MIDI music (the audio level display shows each channel working)

so it looks like its sending audio back that doesnt work. (I did set the "i2s" option for it)

[karmic fog]

this is actually an optional feature - the pixel smoothing. you can type the word "rough" without quotes after the game has started up to turn off the smoothing

it looks more like the DOS version once you do that

it also has a funny dialog

[gloomy bolt]

I've played so many versions, but never Mac... until now. Thanks, I'll check it out!

[inland sinew]

This reminds me of a dialogue box in the emulator "MEKA" which runs SMS/GG.

There is an actual checkbox option in Settings that says "Mario is not a fat plumber."

If you click it, it refutes the checkmark and says, "There's no denying the truth."

[cold crane]

Just wrapped up a play through of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. Good stuff.

Though that one puzzle where you have to line up that scope with the bull horns is BS in how exact it wants you to be. I understood the puzzle's solution, but the game wouldn't flag it as correct unless you lined it up in the exact way it wanted you to!

[gloomy bolt]

That's amazing.

[gloomy bolt]

.... and the Cold Blood Prince

@copper slate another edutainment title for you. This is another nostalgia hit for me.

[umbral oar]

huh, TIL they didn't coin the term pycnofiber until 2009

[umbral oar]

You learn a lot of things when your kid is the right age…

[frosty cosmos]

Why does the C64 PAL Mister core shows 382x270 (full border) via direct video when it actually should be 384x272? Am i missing here something?

I know 270 vertical is a perfect integer for 1080p. But that can't be the reason, right?

[woven lava]

welp, unforuntately the DIP switches are fine

[woven lava]

but I found the issue... the USB3 port on the MIT32-pi broke 😅

[ruby bramble]

I fixed Quarantine's redbook audio with one catch... you now have to tolerate the copy protection. Fortunately Ive included the code sheet and it should be drsg and drop. Just go to osd, scroll right, go down to help and it should be there.

*Big up to idelacio for the tip

[copper slate]

Awesome!

[vestal ginkgo]

https://rjslattery.com/2024/05/02/betrayed-alliance-book-1-out-now-free/

[vestal ginkgo]

Here is a version that uses the new MSDOS4.00 that was opensourced recently so should be all legal. Up to the 0mhz team to include it but I always like new dos games that come out

[copper slate]

Wow, that’s awesome!

[vestal ginkgo]

there is MT-32 with it too if you configure the resource.cfg file

[vestal ginkgo]

This version boots across DOSBOX, PCem, and Mister. I have no idea what I did to get the CHS right for all three

[vestal ginkgo]

DOS 4.0 killed the radio star I guess

https://tenor.com/view/highgrade-gif-20054183

[woven lava]

thats a great use of the help menu!

[gloomy bolt]

I'm digging doing these old Microsoft Home apps.

[void belfry]

Had some fun tracking down and installing MS-DOS/V 6.2 (as well with Win 3.11 JP while I was there) so I could run WebBoy, an IBM DOS/V web browser. Still TO-DO the PPP connectivity under DOS/V, though I think this browser doesn't use packet drivers, but some own thing which I need to decipher these days.

might be faster than Arachne when processing html, but has the big downside of needing DOS/V (JP DOS versions) ofc

[opal void]

You know Japanese/

[void belfry]

no 🙂

lot of google translate with phone's camera and determination 😄

[vestal goblet]

is that…. An ABBA…. Turd??

[gloomy bolt]

Just what this country needs. A cock in a frock on a rock.

[vestal goblet]

some people choose a side in the Priscilla versus Muriel’s Wedding, but I think they are both fantastic

they both have this tonal shift from hilarity into a very touching, personal story

[ruby bramble]

I've been going through all the apogee and ID titles that havent been done yet. I remembered that Death Rally was in some variation of top 300 that I had. I dont know if I ever tried it. Does anybody have any experience getting it running?

[vestal ginkgo]

Nope, video issues

Maybe univbe again but I never got it working past the main menu

@ruby bramble

[ruby bramble]

i havent had any luck with univbe so far

i have toonstruck and mortal kombat trilogy on the go. toonstruck works without it, but mkt is a no go so far

oh amd toonstruck complains about the univbe being too new a version, but im unsure if any others work or which one it wants

[vestal ginkgo]

Did you see the univbe instructions from the forum?

[ruby bramble]

no i was just winging it, read a few things in random places lol

[vestal ginkgo]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=46566#p46566

That post and the next one for univbe 53a and 653

[ruby bramble]

you enter that stuff at the dos prompt?

[vestal ginkgo]

With production boot1.rom in place

Yeah

[ruby bramble]

ill give it a try

[vestal ginkgo]

With univbe installed

They released it for free so you install, then register

[ruby bramble]

is the production boot 1 different?

[vestal ginkgo]

http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=346

It’s the modified et4000 bios

That supports univbe

Like the normal boot1.rom that is on the mister ao486 GitHub

[ruby bramble]

so other people would need to have that installed for my psck to work then?

[vestal ginkgo]

Most should, it’s the default one

[ruby bramble]

ohh okay

[vestal ginkgo]

Not the open source one or the triden one is my point

[ruby bramble]

got you

you ever try to boot up carmageddon? im sure it runs at like 2fps lol

thats one ive been curious about

[vestal ginkgo]

Nope, I think fallout or quake is the farthest I got

[ruby bramble]

trying to see where the limit is

[vestal ginkgo]

I feel like decent or duke 3d are right on the line

With blood being too much after level 2

[ruby bramble]

yeah. but ive had surprisingly good results with some late 90s titles i didnt think were going to work though.

[vestal ginkgo]

Fair. That’s as far as I got

[ruby bramble]

itll be exciting if the core ever gets another big push maybe blood and stuff could start working better ome day

oh, i do have one game. ecstatica 2 thats running just a bit sluggish, are there any tricks to get some juice out of ao486 by any chance? ive just tried turning himem and emm386 on and off so far

[hollow ice]

Overclock to 100mhz?

[ruby bramble]

the mister itself, or ao486's simulated cpu?

[hollow ice]

Misters simulated core. I think there is a thread on the forum about it. Not gonna give it a significant boost or anything.

[ruby bramble]

it doesnt need a lot. it could actually help

is that the 'max (unstable)' option in the osd?

[hollow ice]

I’ll be honest, I haven’t played around with the “overclocking” just a memory of the forum from a while back.

Probably before they renamed all the speeds to reflect a related performance profile

[vestal ginkgo]

My ao486.cfg that sets 100mhz on the core is in that same univbe thread I posted, just look further in the thread

Your mileage may very based on silicon lottery though. I have three misters , one is 100% stable at 100mhz, one won’t run at all, and one will run doom at it but not win98

[ruby bramble]

im assumimg that breaks other things? and what is that max (unstable) setting if it isnt that?

[vestal ginkgo]

No clue on max, they added that when they added the “config types” that set l1 l2 and mhz based on that setting of the profile

You’ll know if it says 100mhz overclock in the hardware settings

[vestal ginkgo]

Just in ao486 based on how your fpga chip handles it

[woven lava]

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple2/comments/1cisrjf/better_apple_ii_color_theory_and_results_images/

new Apple II palette dropped😁

this one is noteworthy because it's the same guy who made the 2005 newsgroup post which the Apple II core uses as reference

he pointed out several inprovements/refinements over his old method

[round carbon]

that's not an improvement 😦

[surreal marsh]

??

[void belfry]

I present you Snowdrop OS, a multi-tasking homebrew OS written in x86 assembly by a fellow Romanian programmer (http://sebastianmihai.com/snowdrop/), it runs just fine on ao486 :). It has around 60 apps, ASM and Basic interpreter, a form of GUI, file manager etc. Didn't yet make a VHD with it (as it supports also FAT12 IDE HDDs, so probably a 10 meg one would be more than enough), I plan to do this bit later. Also, on his site, he has quite a number of projects (hardware and software), think it worth checking out.

[void belfry]

And installed it on a 50 megs VHD for the fun of it 😄

[opal void]

does it run doom though?

[void belfry]

ahahaha, not unless you port it 😛

it does have Basic interpreter and x86 assembler after all, plus some primitive bmp support and such.