mymenu should be the default launcher, you can still use TDL too if you just drop to dos and type TDL. IF you need or what to go back
#Computer Cores
vestal ginkgo
white siren
maybe i was already on mymenu and forgot
the one game i installed myself is still here
white siren
lol this dvd video
vestal ginkgo
yup. I actually made that one for the video test
it still shows a bug in AO486 as it stutters but doesn't on a real machine/dosbox/86box/etc
white siren
lol my pillow guy
vestal ginkgo
That was bbond. He thinks it is VERY funny, and it is
thick pendant
That is true
vestal ginkgo
you can add all the AfterDark screensavers as well if you copy over the ADDOS directory and set it up in the e:\mymenu\mymenu.ini file
white siren
its weird they made two fate of atlantis games
thick pendant
yeah arcade and adventure. I seem to remember he arcade being not that good...
white siren
ooh mt32 street fighter lol
i still miss the bootleg SF2 i had that had terry bogard in it instead of vega
vestal ginkgo
mortal Kombat II MT32 is funny as well.
torn delta
Btw if anyone needs me, I'm here
vestal ginkgo
@torn delta do you know if there is an official way to unmount a saved vhd using an mgl file? Besides just setting to to “” or bogus data?
torn delta
Are you saying that VHD's are being left in their slots when you change images/MGL's?
Sorry I'm probably behing on the discussion
vestal ginkgo
no worries
white siren
booting an MGL will leave stuff in slots 0-1 yeah
torn delta
Well shit
white siren
or a CD mounted
torn delta
That explains what I was seeing.
And no I don't think there is a way to remove them unless like you say you've got an MGL that specifies a blank, which I have not tried.
vestal ginkgo
no what I am saying is there are some legacy people that have saved with my Top 300 pack, that puts IDE 0-0 and IDE 0-1 as VHDs, so now that you are doing MGLs and if you don't set 0-1 then Top 300 stays, that will break anything that tries to access either D:, E:, or even F: if that one VHD is mounted in 0-1
torn delta
Because I'm using MGL's, I kinda don't see how it's not going to screw up your collection tbh.
vestal ginkgo
so 2 options, 1. set setname for each game, that makes it have its own config, 2. clear our 0-1 with <file delay="0" type="s" index="3" path=""/> or <file delay="0" type="s" index="3" path="*.VHD"/>
yeah I don't care about my collection, I can just do an MGL for that as well
torn delta
Had I known, I would have blanked out the VHD's for ever game.
But alas, not there are 20GB's of stuff to fix 🎉
vestal ginkgo
right.
just so you know, if anyone complains about D: then you know it is left over from my pack
vestal ginkgo
as I have a stub partition in the second VHD, so it takes over D: and E: from DOS, then I assign F: to D: for the cd discs. It was a crappy hack that we have to live with.
white siren
the new setname + the latest unstable core is interesting
but then you'd have a new config for everygame
vestal ginkgo
I want to make a joke but I won't.
I still got it 😄
torn delta
lulz
white siren
noones really complained, they just report black screens etc lol
because they missed a step
vestal ginkgo
anyway, if Top 300.....VHD is in the IDE 0-1 slot and people load your MGLs and you aren't setting that, they are probably broken. I think I saw one on the forum.
maybe not as big of a problem as I think
white siren
maybe just add a FAQ to the website for now
"make sure to unmount any vhds if you have issues"
torn delta
I'll let lemi know.
He's the front end guy. I do the grunt work lol
I wonder if he's in here
torn delta
Unemployment does wonders for you hobbies lol
Ya it's insane. Making VHD's by hand and blaaaaaaa
vestal ginkgo
ha ha, Top 300 is from Covid days
torn delta
The best part is when people are actually fixing and contributing that back.
vestal ginkgo
sitting at home twiddling my thumbs
torn delta
I assume you have Space Quest 4 in your collection?
white siren
sugggestion: can you make a clean vhd for non cd games and one for cd based games as a template people can use
torn delta
I think I can.
I have a dos7.1 boot image I use when I'm creating the VHD's. I like to put more on the website but who knows if microsoft will care about dos 7.1. I probably should do it with FreeDos
vestal ginkgo
here are the lists: https://github.com/flynnsbit/Top300_updates/tree/main/_mister/_Packlists
torn delta
@vestal ginkgo what version of dos are you using?
vestal ginkgo
technically 7.1 for Fat32 and LFN needs
torn delta
So ya that's why I went with Dos7.1
vestal ginkgo
if you feel froggy, the Top 500 out there is community curated list. IF you run out of games in your list
torn delta
Lol.... I'm so overloaded.
vestal ginkgo
rofl
torn delta
Lemi says we will top out around 200
vestal ginkgo
I had asperations to do 7000, imagine how crazy I was back then.
white siren
well now you can lol
vestal ginkgo
oh come ON!!!!
white siren
🙂
vestal ginkgo
302 games at least
white siren
i actually wonder how hard it'd be to make something that could take a vhd template and then convert an exodos game
and create the MGL
etc
white siren
yeah but like spit out a zip file and vhd etc
i think the hard part would be building the vhd i guess
torn delta
I think the issue with wholesale converting eXodos has mostly to do with the core speed of ao486 needing to be mucked with.
vestal ginkgo
yeah I had to add all of that manually after the fact
torn delta
BTW, we are planing to do a "classic" collection of older CGA/Tandy/EGA games once we get this part done. That runs onm the PCXT core.
vestal ginkgo
lots of work
white siren
ive know some scenes that have made like a table that you could bundle with the conversion tool that would track all that
but also :effort:
vestal ginkgo
BTW, we are planing to do a "classic" collection of older CGA/Tandy/EGA games on...
Oh I need to send you my VHD of that, I got through maybe 100 games. you can at least use it as a reference
white siren
maybe gen 1 would be create the zip of the MGL/VHD without fine tuning
gen 2 would let you input overrides before
gen 3 would reference some list
oh well
not me
lol
maybe if i was funemployed
torn delta
If I were insane. I would eventually create some kind of database that has runtime descriptors that combines a lot of tools like DOSContainer etc to build for multiple targets and tracks game patches and versions and all Kinds of stuff
white siren
surprised thats not already part of exodos
vestal ginkgo
always great to have feature lists. It's the burn out that will getcha
torn delta
maybe exodos does have some kind of system, to deal with the cycles for DOSBOX that could be roughly converted over to a sysctl.exe command to change the speed in ao486 I dunno
But I bet they have some of that info
vestal ginkgo
I feel like that is the native feature in dosbox that is taking care of it
cpu "cycles" either set to normal/Auto or Dynamic.
torn delta
If only we had that
hollow ice
Bas from the forum sounds like he is working towards some of that with his containers idea
But speaking of street fighter, has anyone managed to a) get super street fighter 2 turbo on the core functioning decently b) controls working well?
vestal ginkgo
no I don't see anything in the exodos run files for speed, just sound options. They are letting dosbox handle
I checked Monkey Island, One Must Fall, and Wing Commander
hollow ice
I am guessing the better way to handle controls is just map keyboard to joystick. I think I eventually used a sidewinder to get 6 buttons but it has been decades since i played that game on real hardware
vestal ginkgo
But speaking of street fighter, has anyone managed to a) get super street fighte...
I thought the slowdown before the fight starts was normal and then it was okay. If it's the same street fighter. One had terrible dos code that always lags until the fight starts and that had nothing to do with the core
vestal ginkgo
I am guessing the better way to handle controls is just map keyboard to joystick...
yeah now that you can save, thats what I would do
hollow ice
Hmm, I don’t remember that at all on my copy, but like I said it has been decades
torn delta
@vestal ginkgo may I add you?
hollow ice
But yes, that is what I experience with your pack
vestal ginkgo
<@309052653520814081> may I add you?
yes of course
vestal ginkgo
But yes, that is what I experience with your pack
I'm pretty sure I spent some time on that one and found a bunch of references about it, maybe on vogons
cold crane
So do games like Flashback and Another World not support controllers? Are they keyboard only?
waxen brook
So do games like Flashback and Another World not support controllers? Are they k...
Consult the manuals for this stuff in DOS games. Very handy. Many times you need to look up a scan for the "reference card" or "data card" for the game, that was often put in the box separately
From the Flashback manual:
From the Out of This World reference card:
for out of this world, you would need to start the game with "J" at the end of the executable name in DOS
so in the DOS prompt, type: WORLD J
(joystick also needs to be enabled in the OSD for the AO486 core)
since the game hails from a time where folks only had analog joysticks/flight sticks, that seems to be the only supported option for another world/out of this world. given thats the case, you may just want to map all the keyboard buttons to the gamepad in the core instead
modest scroll
Heck yeah! Love this series. Good memories playing with my siblings.
summer dragon
@torn delta hey! Quick question...how would I go about enabling EMM386 for certain games? I tried going into Config.sys and uncommenting the second line (and commenting out the first line), but I end up getting a message that says "EMM386 is not installed" and then "This game needs XXXX bytes of memory to run":
the exe is there in that folder, but maybe there are other files missing or other spots in the config(s) I need to change..
void belfry
uncomment Himem.sys line
EMM386 is the expanded memory manager of Microsoft's MS-DOS, IBM's PC DOS, Digital Research's DR-DOS, and Datalight's ROM-DOS[1] which is used to create expanded memory using extended memory on Intel 80386 CPUs. There also is an EMM386.EXE available in FreeDOS.[2]
Himem.sys is a DOS driver for using extended memory (over 1 meg iirc)
void belfry
so basically you need to load extended mem driver first, then emm386 will take residence in upper memory and provide expanded mem (8 megs in this config) for games who uses it
QEMM is a more all-in-one solution, providing XMS, EMS etc mem, and it might work better in some cases than EMM386
summer dragon
@void belfry cheers, that did it!!
@torn delta another question…is there any chance you might add QEMM to the 0MHz package at some point? For instance, that would fix the crash in Bio Menace’s title screen and not require the workaround of entering the menu with a keyboard before using the joystick
maybe I could try my hand at adding QEMM as an option to a VHD, but I'm kinda lost on how to initialize it properly...maybe I'll take a look at the Top 300 VHD and see if I can use that as a template for adding it
summer dragon
Yes, I should’ve also said thanks and I love this project before immediately peppering him with questions 
it seems like using this and the 100MHz overclock, I’m finally succeeding in getting Jurassic Park to run acceptably
that said, I should try a password for an FPS level and see how that runs…
void belfry
maybe I could try my hand at adding QEMM as an option to a VHD, but I'm kinda lo...
you can manually copy the QEMM folder from Top 300. As for config.sys, you can get it from under [QEMM] from @vestal ginkgo VHD. Mine looks like this, mileage may vary:
` [QEMM]
device=c:\qemm\dosdata.sys
SET LOADHIDATA=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.RF
DEVICE=C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS RAM BE:N FRAME=D000 ARAM=D000-DFFF ARAM=B000-DFFF RF X=CE00-CFFF
device=c:\qemm\dos-up.sys @c:\qemm\dos7-up.dat
DEVICE=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\QEMM\QDPMI.SYS SWAPFILE=DPMI.SWP SWAPSIZE=1024
DEVICE=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\DOS71\SETVER.EXE
SHELL=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.COM /RF COMMAND.COM /P /E:640
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\DOS71\IFSHLP.SYS
DEVICE=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\DRIVERS\XCDROM.SYS /D:IDE-CD
[COMMON]
FILES=50
BUFFERSHIGH=35,0
FCBSHIGH=16,0
STACKSHIGH=11,512
LASTDRIVEHIGH=Z
NUMLOCK=ON`
summer dragon
ooooh
awesome @void belfry ! I’m definitely going to make an attempt at this in a bit
void belfry
ah, forgot the X=CE00-CFFF - meaning to exclude from using that mem zone for misterfs to work
summer dragon
@void belfry thank you so much, that worked great!! @torn delta I have a new VHD for Bio Menace that fixes that crash now using QEMM
oh wait actually i should probably double check with a config where my joystick isn’t mapped as a keyboard 😅
ok yep, fixed!
summer dragon
<@794151308620857395> thank you so much, that worked great!! <@33783096302947533...
I guess the only issue with my VHD is that it’s probably a few MB bigger than it needs to be
void belfry
I don't think that is a problem and don't see how you would standardize a VHD image for this purpose. After all, is just the minimal DOS + required drivers/mem managers + the full install of the game which may wildly vary
summer dragon
well, it’s because I’m copying existing 0MHz VHDs and modifying them instead of creating my own
round carbon
I was close to automating this stuff but I've hit a wall
round carbon
the problem is.. okay for a start, shrinking volumes are right out
so I was thinking.. what if we start from a 2mb volume and grow
but windows doesn't support that, paragon partition manager does but only on the paid version
aeomi partition manager only supports it from the command line if you pay for iti
and I can't find a free command line partition manager that will let me expand it
void belfry
if you're not afraid of Linux and DOS, you can just use "dd" to generate a VHD raw file, then boot up DOS 7.1 floppy, fdisk and format the VHD
round carbon
I'm trying to find a way I can automate it though without having to dual boot linux
summer dragon
if you're not afraid of Linux and DOS, you can just use "dd" to generate a VHD r...
yeah i think this is the method i’ll try next
void belfry
alternatively you can use a working primary DOS VHD and do all the work from there on secondary VHD
round carbon
yeah that's what I've been doing but I've not been able to resize it
I've managed to increase the vhd size by script
but I'm struggling to find a way to increase the partition size by the CL for free
void belfry
I'm trying to find a way I can automate it though without having to dual boot li...
just use a SSH terminal (Putty is the easy choice) and do all the linux shenanigans directly from PC 😄
round carbon
and honestly actually aoemi won't let me increase the partition size in general
into a remote linux machine?
void belfry
into a remote linux machine?
into MiSTer's Linux directly
round carbon
oh like that
void belfry
for example (other project of mine) :
cd /media/fat/games/ao486
dd if=/dev/zero of=450M-QNX.vhd status=progress bs=1M count=450
easy as pie
or PI ? 😄
round carbon
is it possible to expand a fat16 partition like that?
I don't want to have to install dos every time on these machines
void belfry
after that, is all work on ao486 core. from partitioning the disk, formatting it with whatever fs etc etc
round carbon
my ideal route is I copy and paste a working vhd, resize it based on the spec, mount it, move the files in, generate the file structure and then send it over to mister
sure but my computer has a good cpu haha if I'm going to be doing this to 7000 files I would rather find a way to do it all locally
void belfry
you can make several blank/minimal config VHDs, one of 10 megs, one of 20 and so on. Resizable, no. Fixed only
round carbon
well, you can resize the vhd in windows and it still works
you can increase size
I have a scripit that is reading the size, reading the directory size and increasing the vhd size accordingly
the only problem is the partition
am I to understand it's impossible to increase the size of a fat16 partition?
void belfry
primary partitions ? I don't think so
i mean, not without destroying the partition and remake it to new size
maybe some tools, but never tried it and probably never will 😄
round carbon
I thought as long as a partition is not mounted it's possible to expand
but I don't know if it's true for a fat16 dos partition
void belfry
You will need a new partition table for the new volume, so it won't just work by expanding the VHD
copper slate
@round carbon where’s my big red racing vhd
round carbon
I don't even know what that is
ruby yarrow
#didnotread - Is there any way to create .mlg files from iso files for 0mhz "core" ?
summer dragon
@copper slate I can try my hand at it in a bit
copper slate
<@314946127487172609> I can try my hand at it in a bit
I will forever be on your debt!!!
round carbon
okay right, I managed to find software that would extend the partition
and guess what!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!
it absolutely did not work lol
so that's a dead end, I guess the best way to automate this really is to just.. have a bunch of vhds that are of various starting sizes
I wish I knew more about disk formatting because I'll bet there's some awy of doing this if you actually know what you're doing
void belfry
Seems to work, roughly tested on DOS 7.1, HIRAM and EMM386 mem managers tested. Game uses around 41 megs of HDD space , I dunno what to expect in terms of speed, never played this game before. As for ao486 side, all stuff to max (90 mhz/L1/L2 etc)
love the CD Audio tracks
QEMM seems to work as well too
round carbon
UNSATISFYING SOLUTIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
how can it be, how can it be, that i can nary expand a fat directory
summer dragon
Seems to work, roughly tested on DOS 7.1, HIRAM and EMM386 mem managers tested....
ha, I just sent this to Robby, but it didn't seem like I had the CD audio working
everything else seemed fine
karmic fog
@waxen nymph i have been doing some research and i now think we should change the MacPlus core to use 1:1 PAR (square pixels), maybe with a toggle to use the current aspect ratio. i'm not entirely sure where the existing aspect ratio came from, but the Macintosh was always intended to have as close to perfectly square pixels as possible, and was marketed on that fact in the 80s (as no other microcomputer was doing square pixels at the time)
some pictures to support my claim attached
round carbon
karmic fog
i'm suspect there's some level of "accuracy" to the current implementation, but it's kind of counterproductive imo
summer dragon
ha, I just sent this to Robby, but it didn't seem like I had the CD audio workin...
Looks like I have all the tracks in folders, but I had no disc image
void belfry
ha, I just sent this to Robby, but it didn't seem like I had the CD audio workin...
Should work by default (assumed you have the CD loaded and the drivers/CDROM extensions loaded in config.sys/autoexec.bat like oakcdrom/xcdrom and mscdex/shsucdx)
void belfry
Looks like I have all the tracks in folders, but I had no disc image
lazy used one extracted from an archiving site zip, probably made for dosbox or smth
karmic fog
<@558326731388354586> i have been doing some research and i now think we should ...
this article by Andy Hertzfeld (Apple software wizard and heavily involved in the creation of the Macintosh) is pretty unambiguous that the Macintosh used "square dots" (1:1 PAR) rather than rectangular pixels
round carbon
let's say theoretically I were to do this by ssh, what would be the process
I scan the directory for how big it needs to be, run that ssh command from before and that will just create a vhd of the correct size in mister linux?
then can I copy the files over or would I then need to install dos manually, and is there any way I could do that remotely or would it require me to use a keyboard on the mister
then I'd presumably have to then grab the .vhd with ftp, move it to windows, mount, move the files over, then ftp back in and overwrite it on the mister
does that sound about right? @void belfry
void belfry
you can do it all within MiSTer
round carbon
I want to automate it
I have files on my computer, I want to programmatically interpret them and put their data appropriately onto vhds
I just need correct size vhds with all the common files on them that are actually dos compatible, I can supply the size I need
I don't want to have to type anything manually into the dos terminal
void belfry
you still need to install the game manually in most cases, unless taken from DosBox premade images (GOG comes to mind). But those are not quite most reliable, as they are customed for using in modern OS-es/PCs
round carbon
the way I've been doing it I don't need to install the game
summer dragon
@void belfry ok, I think I know what I need now, thanks!
round carbon
I'm using exodos
if they don't work then they don't work but I want to automate the process from a zip to an mgl, optional iso and vhd
which would be reasonably trivial if I could get a vhd
but I ideally want correct size vhds not ones full of extra empty fluff
void belfry
which would be reasonably trivial if I could get a vhd
https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/hardware/emulating-msx-on-the-mister-fpga?page=2 -- you might find this interesting. It is for OCM MSX core, but after all it is FAT 16, so maybe it can be used as a starting point
white siren
VHDs of various starting sizes seems fine... you have to have room for save games etc
over optimizing on VHD size will limit you
you could also do a lot of this on WSL on a windows install
if you can't expand a VHD, you should just look into creating VHDs, mounting them, installing DOS on them or configuring them to be bootable, then copying the files etc
or use premade VHDs of varying sizes
round carbon
I have tried to create a vhd, mount, make them bootable and copying but it didn't work
I suspect it's mbr related on a guess
I don't know if anyone's managed to make a vhd entirely in windows
white siren
well a vhd by itself is an unpartitioned drive
so you'd have to partition it correctly
on top of making it bootable
round carbon
sure but then partitioning it for dos has not worked for me
someone linked a youtube video, I used aoemi in the same way to make a fat16 partition, then I copied over everything including the system files from a working drive
white siren
yeah that's still missing a step
round carbon
but it wasn't recognised by dos
white siren
that the DOS installer does
round carbon
making it bootable?
maybe it's something I could do locally on dosbox by cli?
or something I can just magically configure
void belfry
also partitioning it. DOS installer calls fdisk in background, partition the disk, then calls for format and so on
round carbon
yes but I formatted the partition
void belfry
never used aoemi
round carbon
I used it because lu's retro source did that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inG-I2YIUEI
void belfry
as i said, i rely on good old "dd" then just use the normal process 😄
round carbon
right but I need this
white siren
lu's video doesn't make it bootable
round carbon
white siren
it just makes it accessible from dos
round carbon
I know, but I then copied over the config.sys, io.sys, msdos.sys, and file system from a working vhd
and it still doesn't work. which leads me to think it's the mbr
round carbon
right but this is going back in circles, I want to make an automated script
I know you can do it through dos
I don't want to manually set up 7000 partitions
white siren
then see if it boots
round carbon
alright I'll give it a shot
white siren
well i'd just check
round carbon
you want me to select volume c and active
white siren
to make sure that your OS volume is still active
round carbon
is there a command for check active
white siren
myabe it doesn't matter on windows 11
white siren
all my current drives are GPT i guess
round carbon
it's gpt
white siren
you should be fine then
white siren
if that still doesn't work then you still have to deal with MBR
summer dragon
now that I'm thinking about it, I feel lize Pezz82 had an old video I used to make a self-booting VHD
of course, he deleted all of his content 😢
Because I have a self-booting VHD that I made back in like 2020
copper slate
@summer dragon the BEST, Big Red Racing is working!!!!
round carbon
I am sure there is some wizard sitting in this chat who just knows like one sentence that would immediately fix all of this
and just hasn't seen the struggle
white siren
https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=1243&start=90 this thread might have clues lol
round carbon
#quakenet dos there will be some guy who has an uptime of 29 years there who's like "yeah that's easy just go into powershell and type bibbidy boopity boo X:"
white siren
fdisk /mbr from dosbox / dos lol
https://gitlab.com/doscontainer/games ah he's already gathering specs and putting them in yaml for his container project
round carbon
I am assuming it's possible to boot dosbox with a command so I can auto do that
I didn't want to have to install dosbox but if it's the way..
white siren
yeah but he has the thing setup to take game files + .yaml and spit out a bootable vhd
round carbon
right it's a docker container?
white siren
i wonder of 0mhz and bas should just work together to create .mgl files as part of his script
round carbon
maybe I should just use dosbox
white siren
but yeah he already did all the work to do mass vhd builds in linux
round carbon
I don't want to go down a 3000 hour rabbithole trying to configure my nas to actually use this container and not fuck up
fleet cave
it's not a docker container
white siren
maybe emubastard is using his framework lol
fleet cave
it's literally two shell scripts
round carbon
either way I am in a different country with only one machine with me other than my mister and it's a windows machine
round carbon
dosbox is the preferable option of those 3
no universe where I'm using virtualbox for this, I'd rather claw my own eyes out
white siren
but yeah knowing bas already has bash script and is working on a rust version... i would just leverage that for any games i'd want to make vhds for
round carbon
what version of dos should I be working on?
I don't mind doing work myself that I know will work for me, I'm not switching operating system or creating virtual drives to solve an mbr problem, there must exist a way to do this in windows that doesn't allow some ridiculous stack of architecture
and I'm adhd so I won't care about this in 4 days so the timer is already ticking on whether I convert the entire exodos 7000 this week or don't
not waiting on other people I will just see if I can get dosbox to work by the cli
white siren
well you need to solve the mbr/vbr and active problem on your vhds
round carbon
sure but surely that's just a case of booting the vhd in dosbox and doing fix /mbr
white siren
likely
round carbon
yeah so I can automate that without having to reconfigure planet earth
assuming it works. wait let me try on my mister first to see if it actually does
okay booted dos on 0-1 and my thing on 1-1, and the drive is recognised and the stuff is found
okay I did fdisk /mbr
nah even with fdisk /mbr it didn't work, do you need to specify the disk or will it just do it on that disk. like I was in D:
but maybe it operated on C because that's the OS drive
when I display the partition in dos I get
C: 1 status:A type: PRI DOS, volume label DOS7_FB, mbytes 100 system fat16 usage 100%
so it is set to active
white siren
yeah you have to boot a dos boot disk with the drive in 0-1
unless you can fdisk /mbr on a different drive
this is like 90s stuff and PC's didn't have multiple bootable harddrives or boot records
so these tools don't work like that lol
round carbon
not sure if that's the case, but how would I boot to a different disk with the drive in 0-1, in the core menu?
oh right yeah boot 1st boot 2nd
white siren
you get a dos boot disk and mount it on A:
and then put your new VHD on C:
i suppose
round carbon
when I run fdisk though it does display C, all that info above was about that vhd
let me check a working drive
oh actually yes fdisk must be C: yeah
ah but I can change current fixed disk drive
okay yeah it can switch
void belfry
you cannot set other active partitions than on Disk 1 (IDE 0:0, the C drive). So as w00tazn said, use a floppy
with fdisk, that is
round carbon
how can I make a boot floppy though when the whole problem is I can't even make a bootable drive
white siren
you got to archive.org and download a dos boot disk
round carbon
and then I mount that in 0-1 and then set boot option 1 to floppy in the core right?
round carbon
ah okay I see
so I want a .img
dos 6.22 is fine I guess if all I'm doing is doing fdisk /mbr
okay I copied that floppy
police should be arriving any moment
okay
haha fdisk bad command or file name
I'm on 6.22 for sure
okay I can boot fdisk on A:
okay and it does look at C:
void belfry
it could be in other disk from thatversion. Just use Flynnsbit's floppy, based on 7.1. Iirc it has also its corespondent fdisk
round carbon
okay it's possible it just worked
void belfry
or just make an empty FDD image, format a: /s it and copy over fdisk. whatever it suits you
round carbon
oh! this time I got a difefrent error
I got booting from hard disk... error loading operating system
before it was just booting from hard disk...
okay so even if I make a blank vhd, copy everything over from a working vhd, set it active and fix the mbr in dos it still doesn't work. there must be something else it's doing
I'm going to try doing one more from scratch from zork because it's small
or hugo bceause it's smaller still and I know it works
here I'll just play by play what I'm doing so you can spot if I do something dumb or wrong
gonna make it a bit bigger actually
ebon tundra
if you using dos 6.22 or older you need to use fat16
round carbon
sorry aoemi is being straight up weird now it isn't even letting me make partitions atm so that's fun
checked lu's video again to see if I was hallucinating but nope, did everything the same and it's misbehaving
okay trying again
okay that worked
okay interesting, so.. when he does it in his videeo
it goes to fat16, but when I do it it's fat 12
he selected fat I selected fat
maybe it's the version of aoemi, that was 2 years ago
is it based on the disk size maybe?
haha and using aoemi or easeus from the cli makes you pay for it, wonderful
well okay, formatting it in dosbox is probably the way
tulip atlas
I prepared the current version v3.6.7 of Nethack for DOS here, for inclusion in 0MHz-DOS (the game is freeware): https://files.coolatoms.org/nethack.vhd
https://files.coolatoms.org/Nethack.mgl
tulip atlas
Use guiformat to format your mounted VHD with FAT32: http://ridgecrop.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm
Use Dos7 in ao486 to support FAT32
round carbon
I'm trying to make a fat16 drive
tulip atlas
I knew how to do that once.
round carbon
the partition managers that supposedly work want to make fat12 drives
I can't use an uninitialised drive through dosbox because apparently modern dosbox doesn't accept vhds (maybe an old version??)
tulip atlas
But once your vhd is mounted in Windows, you can use diskpart, or not? diskpart diskpart select volume E: format fs=FAT
round carbon
let's see
tulip atlas
vhd doesn't have to be formatted to be mounted in Windows.
round carbon
I'm trying to format it though
tulip atlas
I think it is possible to create the vhd and mount it using the standard windows disk management tool. Then format it to FAT16 using diskpart.
I always use FAT32 and MS-DOS 7 with ao486, though, it is more versatile.
round carbon
well I can't select it in diskpart unless it's already formatted
round carbon
why does this process have to be so dumb lol it's just ridiculous, I've tried 300 different approaches and every one is just stupid
format to fat32 just so you can format to fat16 immediately after
there has to be a non stupid way of doing this, I'm losing my mind
tulip atlas
I once made this gigantic Windows 95 .vhd for ao486. Everytime I wanted to change something, I just connected to my MiSTer via SMB, mounted the .vhd via Windows disk management tool, and then copied files into it as if it was a local volume.
round carbon
even if this was a way of doing it I'm trying to automate this, I'm not formatting every drive twice as part of the process, there must be some tool out there that can format to fat16
tulip atlas
FAT16 is dead, let it rest 😉
It seems formatting and partition managing is a complete scam fest on the web.
Any search results in some super shady partition management software.
round carbon
even searching with github
like surely making a partition is just some simple algorithm
I don't even want a UI I just want it cli
tulip atlas
Somehow those shady companies selling "Partition Wizard," "Partition Magic," "EaseUS" etc. just sell you a different interface to the built-in Windows functions.
round carbon
all of them seem identical
and you can't choose a FAT type, just FAT, if you set cluster size to 16kb is that fat16?
tulip atlas
I don't think so. I think "FAT" and "FAT32" are distinct options?
round carbon
nope it's 64kb
tulip atlas
The cluster size is a rabbit hole in itself.
round carbon
tulip atlas
I wonder if FAT in that menu is really FAT32
tulip atlas
Ok weird. Why is there no FAT32?
round carbon
all of these tools are the same program and they only do fat12
maybe it's based on the drive size?
tulip atlas
I wonder how much malware you got by installing those partitioning tools 🙂
round carbon
nope
tulip atlas
^ Supposedly, FAT is an option only if the .vhd is less than 4 GB in size.
round carbon
it's 10mb
round carbon
insane that I'm going to have to use linux for this, insane
how hard can it be to format a drive?
I wonder if there's some C++ library to do this
hmm
okay I figured something
you can in diskpart create a partition without formatting
but there is no support for fat16 formatting in diskpart
maybe that's why these partition managers don't support it anymore, because they were just hooking into windows and windows deprecated it or something
maybe this lol
I don't get it, even seemingly ancient software doesn't offer fat16, does it require a minimum drive size or something?
oh shit that last one did it!
white siren
there's a legacy formatting tool
round carbon
okay then in diskpart I gave it a drive letter, let's try moving the files over from my working hugo one
white siren
guiformat.exe
round carbon
does it work on the command line?
round carbon
okay
let's find out if this works
okay so booting from hard disk part didn't work but now let's do the fix mbr
okay did fdisk /mbr
and I set partition 1 to active
"non system disk. please change bootable device and press any key to reboot"
it's identical filewise to a known working vhd, it's definitely formatted to fat16, the mbr was fixed and the partition is active and it doesn't work
so that's the end of the quest, it's just not possible, either you have to use linux, modify a file or prep it in dos
and you can't prep it in dosbox because it doesn't support vhd
I don't know how dos is flagging something as bootable
vestal ginkgo
SYS C: from your floppy?
round carbon
system transferred
vestal ginkgo
now see if it boots
round carbon
I'm not even sure I'm happy that worked because how am I going to automate this haha, maybe I could automate that all in an mgl and a bat
but I'd still have to load every one
also I guess I probably want a different dos bootdisc?
it also doesn't help that the partition manager I finally got to do fat16 doesn't have a cli option
summer dragon
also I guess I probably want a different dos bootdisc?
check DMs
round carbon
okay magic discovery in the DMs is that fat12 is fine
so we don't need all these weird tools we can just format in windows
might be able to automate through diskpart lemme see
yep
okay so basically, to automate this what I would need to do is:
summer dragon
ooooh
round carbon
- scan the games directory
- add on 2mb for saves
- copy and paste a 2mb vhd
- boot diskpart
select vdisk file="[pathToNewVhd].vhd"
expand vdisk maximum=[size in mb]
attach vdisk
create partition primary
select partition 1
format fs=fat
exit - then copy all of the files over intelligently from the game directory, scanning for cds and such
- move over the dos stuff
- edit a dos boot floppy with an autoboot which will make the dive active, fix the mbr and do sys C: (or whichever are needed) (possible??)
- generate a firstboot MGL that will boot the floppy and fix the drive
- generate a normal MGL too
- copy all of the above to the correct directories on the mister
then manually run the boot mgls
maybe I can run a mister script of some kind that will just boot all the games one by one and wait a minute for it to complete then run it overnight? dunno if mister supports that
that would still take 5 days to do the whole of exodos
fast kraken
maybe with Super Attract Mode ?
not really what its meant for but you might get it to do it
round carbon
I just wish there was a way in dosbox I could do the vhd part
maybe a really old version of dosbox?
or a mod or something
round carbon
boot an ms dos floppy in A and the vhd in C, do "fdisk /mbr"," fdisk > 3 > 1" or something like that to set the partition active, then "sys C:" (maybe sys C: is enough? dunno?)
fast kraken
is that how you make a disk bootable?
round carbon
yeah after also moving over the important files
that's to fix the boot record, set it to an active drive and move the dos files over in such a way that it works
I think probably the reason the dos files were wrong is because it cares about order and I should move the config files first then the others, so potentially that part can be skipped but the /mbr part I believe is compulsary
fast kraken
i wrote some powershell for making vhds at one point
round carbon
and also diskpart can make it active too
fast kraken
mine didn't have to be bootable though i had a slightly different plan
round carbon
I guess theoretically if I figured out the optimal file order it may be possible to do it all with just the fdisk /mbr part
fast kraken
i guess you can't do fdisk /mbr on windows?
round carbon
nah it's a dos command
well I mean, I dunno. maybe there is a way
but I think the point is the mbr has to be setup for dos and not windows
I could try just doing clean and convert mbr in diskpart I guess
fast kraken
so if i can take a 0mhz VHD, copy its content to a new vhd and have it still work i've succeeded?
round carbon
yes
and I have a way to do that right now but it still involved booting into the mister with a dos floppy
here is a hint on the quest that is important I believe
I believe at very least io.sys needs to be the first file on the drive
fast kraken
have you read this whole thread?
https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=1243
fast kraken
doscontainer project has apparently cracked this
see create_disk_image and partition_disk_image
you can just use this thing to build images for you tbh it sounds way easier
neat project, can't believe i hadn't heard of it before
round carbon
these are in linux though afaik right?
that's where things become less easy, I don't have a linux machine in the same country as me
fast kraken
yeah, you can run it on WSL though probably it all just looks like pretty plain bash
also mister is a linux machine if you're desperate
round carbon
I'm going to try oen more thing which is.. setting the volume active, copying over io.sys first
and..
clean and convert mbr
if the thing I think possibly could work does work, I may have this down to a step by step thing I could whip up in c# in a couple hours
and it would just run an elevated exe and work through your whole game files directory turning them into usable 0mhz little things. maybe they won't WORK
or maybe they'll need individual config, but I could also add that to the mgl with the new sets feature
fast kraken
even if they still need individual config that'd still cut out a lot of legwork
if you know c# you can probably just port some of those functions off doscontainer
they certainly lay out pretty clearly what to do to make a bootable vhd with nice comments etc
summer dragon
@vestal ginkgo FYI, FastDoom got updated a couple days ago, and a lot of the small pauses I was seeing during gameplay are now gone. It runs even smoother now, especially at 100MHz 
Edit: OK, I may have jumped the gun because I was playing with the sound off and didn't realize that FastDoom defaults to no sound/music. So I think it was running a touch smoother because of that 😅 After I turned the music/sound back on, performance seemed pretty comparable to what it was before (still great!)
I still need to figure out how to enable the VBD version or whatever it’s called because the 0MHz pack isn’t using that one apparently
fast kraken
doom has a 35fps cap if you're already hitting that there's not much reason to put more effort in
you can turn on an fps counter in fastdoom
summer dragon
that’s fair, I’m just curious to tinker really!
as is, this is a great way to play especially with this latest version
fast kraken
and it has nice quality of life features even if you don't need the extra performance
oh no way it supports 320x240 now
might be awesome for playing it on a pvm
summer dragon
ooooh very cool
round carbon
okay, y'all ready, it's r-r-r-rooound 3
FIGHT
going to follow my list of instructions like I'm a program
clear wing
Hi guys, I'm enjoying the X68000 lately, and I got a cool set of .HDF files on the internet archive, but it's all games. I would love to experiment with other stuff, like music players. especially if they can use the mt32-pi and midi. I'm not asking for links, but does anyone know any terms I could search for that might get e in the right direction? Thankks!
round carbon
okay, sys C: is necessary
I tried doing xcopy IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS first and fixing the mbr, didn't help
but.. I don't have to set active in there I can set it from diskpart
just need to see if the mbr step is necessary
okay fix boot isn't necessary
this is my process, still requires the dos boot part unfortunately unless I can find a way to do that in windows simulating dos
lines 10 to 28 can all just be done in a bat
damn if there's some way to get some old version of dosbox or something that supports vhds that would be so juicy I could automate this all to a fine art
think it might be possible
round carbon
hitting a wall
there's a command in dosbox called BOOT
but if I do
BOOT "E:\boot_dos71.img" "E:\vhds\a4.vhd"
the A: works
but not the C:
round carbon
okay I give up I'll just use the mister
modest skiff
I've used the doscontainer project mentioned here to create my DOS VHDs. As of now, I've created around 150 VHDs. It's a very cool project and easy to do once set up. I'm using ARCH WSL on Windows 10.
karmic fog
for anyone wanting to use 1:1 PAR on the MacPlus core for now, the magic number is 256:171, e.g.
[MacPlus]
custom_aspect_ratio_1=256:171
i'm becoming convinced that the MacPlus core is for some reason trying to put the screen in a 4:3 box, but the Macintosh Plus screen is not 4:3
it's a bit wider
i may do a pull request for this at some point...
i mean, i say that like i can even figure out where aspect ratio is determined in the repository lol
videoShifter.v and videoTimer.v seemed potentially relevant but i left more confused than i entered 😄
void belfry
Hi guys, I'm enjoying the X68000 lately, and I got a cool set of .HDF files on ...
#computer-core-testing message - see those links there, it should help you get most of the stuff
spice hound
I made a vow once I receive mister fpga FOR ONE YEAR it would be an apple 2 core only
Look at that graphics
-- faints -- It is soooooo beautiful
clear wing
https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/820446408162279424/1026429442467...
Thank you very much!
round carbon
how can I mount a floppy in an MGL?/
is it just <file delay="0" type="s" index="2" path="1" path="path/to/floppy"/> ?
or index 0 even
oh is s just string
round carbon
okay so do I just want to change index to 0?
I don't know why I put 1 there
<file delay="0" type="s" index="0" path="path/to/floppy"/>
like this
fleet cave
s0 is first floppy, s1 is second
round carbon
kewl
so now you just put in an exodos folder and it will make a one time install file that you run once in mister to make the vhd bootable and the generic file
I did miss one thing which is I didn't missed the relative path a sec and also made a blankline I didn't mean to, quick fix but other than that it should be possiible to just batch the whole of exodos on this
I can also add a toggle for mt32 vs soundblaster
summer dragon
@round carbon good luck helping Benny defeat the Gruzzles
round carbon
I basically had it all working and then I encountered a weird bug where my program claims the files are open for write, I must be somehow opening them for write twice
even though I'm not using filestreams. very strange. anyway who cares atm I'm playing mario party 3 with my inlaws on the turbo core
summer dragon
wow just had some success getting Tyrian to work without constant slowdown (still some slowdown)…I remember trying it before with different settings and I could never get it to work…gotta keep tweaking
summer dragon
heck yeah! Seems like Tyrian with the default 0MHz pack settings and the in-game detail cranked down to "Normal" does the trick and it's not doing the constant slowdown/speedups I always used to run into with this one in the past 🥳
summer dragon
nice it works fine even with "High" detail, just can't crank it up to Pentium
round carbon
okay I won at mario party hooray. and yeah it was better
alright going to fix my code but now I have a dos boot disc that automatically repairs vhds on boot
so can just upload a broken vhd, toss in the floppy and it will fix it
mortal hazel
I like the usability progress people are making with this. I managed to get keyboard->joystick mapping with it, but now want to work on a way to have custom controller configs per .mgl. Only way I can see so far is to use "setname", but that also means you need a dedicated folder for each game too :/
fleet cave
recent change to main means you don't have to
if you're running main unstable, <setname orig_dir="1">whatever</setname>
sorry
same_dir="1"
mortal hazel
Oh, really? So same_dir still points to the core folder (ao486) but it creates a new config? Oh, that's wonderful. Glad I didn't need it sooner, it would've frustrated me no end!
copper slate
bikerspade doing the lord's work with SimTower today
round carbon
I will have to check setname tomorrow and add it to my mgl maker
my program is basically done now, all that's potentially left is telling it to extract exodos games then run in each folder. but right now I don't have a drive big enough to do that so I'll probably just be using it on some select faves
"but alex couldn't you have already converted each one of those manually by now", well I sure could have, that's a great point
but what about the friends we made along the way
round carbon
okay I've made a few vhds like this and it seems good but I can't test on my mister because my in laws are sleeping in the room with the tv haha
but tomorrow I will probably package it into a command line thing and then when I get a new drive I will run it on every exodos game
summer dragon
@round carbon heck yeah man, I'm definitely intrigued to use that script. I got my VHDs working manually, but yeah having to make them on Windows and then go over to the MiSTer and do a few manual steps is kind of annoying when you're adding a bunch of games haha
round carbon
it will still need to boot a special mgl to prep the drives on the mister but after that they will boot
for each game I made like a _DOSGAMES setup file and a play file, you run setup once and then it will work
copper slate
<@158304170582081536> heck yeah man, I'm definitely intrigued to use that script...
Quick strike him down before he grows more powerful!!!
round carbon
I think one thing about this script is though, on your own head be it, because it does require admin eleavtion to run diskpart etc. and then does file ops. it doesn't DELETE anything or copy OVER anything so it shouldn't be able to destroy anything but if you put in the wrong commands you could have it dump a bunch of stuff where you don't want it
and if you mess up the parameters you will have to manually delete the vhd you made because I didn't allow it to delete or overwrite stuff
it might be more of a "works well for me but I don't recommend anyone else runs this ever" thing
but my plan is to just make it do the whole of exodos and then walk away for a day until it's done. the problem then is I have to run all the mister floppy things, maybe the attract mode thing is a solution for that
summer dragon
yeah that makes sense
hollow ice
Lots of interesting developments lately. If bas releases his doscontainer rust version it can replace the admin requirement to create the vhd
Looks like he is adding functionality to copy files to the vhd, might be able to set a save location and have it extract saves too
opal void
any Windows 95 games that would work in AO486?
vestal ginkgo
I think Win95 runs pretty well in the core as long as you have low standards
Microsoft Entertainment Pack
torn delta
I have low standards. But she treats me good 
summer dragon
that should be my next thing with this core…finally add a Windows 3.1 setup and a Windows 95 setup
gloomy bolt
Win95 works great. 95 specific gaming is hit or miss. 3D stuff is rough. Hover is really rough. But something like Lucasarts Star Wars Yoda Stories and low spec stuff like that work fine. You can "run" something like Monkey Island 3 but it's a slide show. FMV games are hit or miss. Some are fine, other's aren't.
Solitaire and Minesweeper are great, of course. </s>
ruby bramble
On the 0mhz collection, is anyone else having trouble with alone in the dark 2 and 3? 2, freezes in the intro cutscene and neither game seems to have any music or much of the voice over?
ruby bramble
any Windows 95 games that would work in AO486?
Neverhood would be on my wishlist
round carbon
okay tested my vhd maker, has two small problems, 1 is that I didn't anticipate dos's character limit on directory names so I have to put the game in a smaller folder
and the other is that the 0mhz cfg doesn't set on Floppy then Hard Drive
so I will have to make a floppy set with its own cfg for that (or set a new precedent that the mgls wipe the floppies and the default cfg is set to floppy then hdd. which is probably easier)
but would retroactively require fixing all the other mgls on the other hand
although they need fixing anyway because they want to be in their own sets
also word rescue goes hard as fuck
this kids game had no right controlling better than commander keen
elfin oxide
Does anyone know why 7th Guest in the 0mhz collection always gives me a critcial error when i try to run it. The rest of the games ive tried work fine
summer dragon
Does anyone know why 7th Guest in the 0mhz collection always gives me a critcial...
i’ll test it
summer dragon
HOLY CRAP Robby, you just unlocked a memory for me
copper slate
summer dragon
totally had that game
copper slate
totally had that game
Hell yeah, they were great
summer dragon
yeah, I remember having fun with it for sure
i'm sure that'd run fine
there was another one of those with like a submarine I think I had too
summer dragon
Does anyone know why 7th Guest in the 0mhz collection always gives me a critcial...
well, I went to check and noticed right away that there was a typo in the MGL file, so I'd imagine that's the issue 😅 fixed...
elfin oxide
well, I went to check and noticed right away that there was a typo in the MGL fi...
brilliant thank you
summer dragon
yeah, the game boots fine for me
summer dragon
On the 0mhz collection, is anyone else having trouble with alone in the dark 2 a...
I'll try and test this one in a bit
hollow ice
Oh shit, we need the super solver games
That doesn’t look like any copy of Math Blasters I ever played
copper slate
That doesn’t look like any copy of Math Blasters I ever played
Yeah cause it’s BETTER
hollow ice
Better at wasting your time?
copper slate
Better at wasting your time?
uhhhhh, is yes a good thing?
hollow ice
Haha
summer dragon
On the 0mhz collection, is anyone else having trouble with alone in the dark 2 a...
ok, booted it and yeah I'm getting no music as well, but sound effects and voices seem to be there
ruby bramble
in alone in the dark 3 theres no voice in the intro. maybe a cd track?
summer dragon
oh dang and aitd2 crashed for me and literally the MiSTer froze...can't even open the OSD
orange light on my digital I/O is just solid orange
I have an idea
going to try a different copy of the disc and do a fresh install
hmmm when I go to select FM Card in the Installation, it says "no sound card available"
ruby bramble
that happened for me too after the guy is strangled in the intro and he hits the floor
summer dragon
Ok, I have music now
let's see if it gets past that part now
i have voice narration too it seems
i'm not familiar with this game, so not sure if anything's missing, but it seems like everything is there (I think)
I thiiiink maybe the disc image they used was corrupt? I tried to convert their image to CHD and wasn't able to mount it and convert it to ISO first
yep, got past that part, I think this is fixed
i got to the opening credits and it seems to be running fine now
ruby bramble
much appeeciated thank you
summer dragon
I'll submit the fix for the pack
ruby bramble
want to play through the trilogy. big resident evil fan
summer dragon
i'll check AITD3 when I can in a bit
summer dragon
Ok, Alone in the Dark 3 is fixed now too and submitted
it did something similar where it crashed my MiSTer and I couldn't even open the OSD
the mouse driver was turned off accidentally, there was at least one missing game file, and there was a typo in the autoexec.bat...just to be safe I grabbed a new disc image, converted to CHD and reinstalled to ensure sound/music would work
sweet scarab
I didn't have a DOS/Win computer growing up. Y'all are making me want to dive in. But really, I just want Solitaire and Space Cadet Pinball. 😂
summer dragon
@sweet scarab the 0MHz pack makes it more accessible than ever, I'd say
main violet
Oh shit, we need the super solver games
i remember playing midnight rescue back in elementary school
i was the only one in the school that managed to actually beat it lmao
gloomy bolt
well, I went to check and noticed right away that there was a typo in the MGL fi...
That stupid 'c' tripped me up the first time I was doing captures last week, too.
round carbon
can anyone think of a fun 5 letter directory name to stick games in
for autoexec.bat
I had it as GAMEFILES but that beomes GAME~1 in dos
MrFUN
STUFF
maybe just GAME is fine actually
round carbon
haha
also, how does setname stuff work
this new stuff
I read
<setname same_dir="1">MyGame</setname>
is that correct?
I have two use cases here: one is I want a generic cfg file that will always load up a floppy boot up
so I basically want to just have a second ao486.cfg sitting around for floppy setup mgls, where should that live? and if I want per game settings, where should the config files go?
<setname same_dir="1">FloppyCFG</setname> too?
summer dragon
@round carbon yes that’s the proper syntax
config files just go in the config folder like all other configs
I recommend formatting your setnames with a prefix so they stay together…something like DOS-GameName or AO486-GameName so that way they’re organized together in the config folder
summer dragon
I would think so, but I haven’t tried
gloomy bolt
I think spaces auto shorten in DOS. I need to double check, but I think win introduced spaces in directory names.
round carbon
everything worked
gloomy bolt
That's good!
summer dragon
oh, I thought you meant for set names
gloomy bolt
OK, DOS 5 doesn't allow spaces, 6 - 6.2 does. Verified on pcjs.org (a GREAT site to quickly test DOS stuff, btw)
*does with quotes, obvs.
Huh... I haven't played with pcjs.org much... you can actually create and export hard drive images with it. Neat!
round carbon
okay here's my vhd maker in action
after extracting an exodos zip it's 90 seconds including clumsy filming and passing an sd card files to playing the game
tawny egret
oh damn and it’s got SA caps in the right color too
fuck I wasn’t expecting I’d want one
frosty cosmos
Me neither. Looks great imo.
tawny egret
and I do need a more comfy keyboard for my mister setup
gloomy bolt
Bart's House of Wierd?
round carbon
yes I have that
let's see
interesting, somewhere I'm clearly messing up with spaces, it doesn't like spaces
I'll have to figure that out
vestal ginkgo
gobliiins
round carbon
I fucking love gobliiins but afaik that doesn't work right? well we can find out
round carbon
494 meg really?
summer dragon
that's a big boy
round carbon
lots of pictures I guess
does this one have a cd?
well it didn't complain
btw someone needs to tell me the simplest interface to connect to the mister without using an sd
I don't want to use filezilla because I don't really like it
summer dragon
@round carbon samba share or WinSCP
round carbon
what'ss your fave
summer dragon
hmmmm, Samba share since it just maps to a network drive in windows
summer dragon
although, I have been using WinSCP a lot while adding DOS games for whatever reason...I can't remember why I switched to that exactly
summer dragon
is it invasive?
what do you mean?
I guess the one thing I like about WinSCP is that you pretty much always know where you stand with file transfers...sometimes when I transfer files over samba it will hang for a few before the progress bar starts moving
tawny egret
regular scp is also very good if you prefer the command line. it uses the same service and auth as regular ssh too so it’s convenient if you’ve been using that
summer dragon
oh, I think I remember why I was using WinSCP more...because last week I was creating symlinks to make setname work...but once setname same_dir attribute got added, I don't need to do symlinks now
round carbon
I don't, haha I prefer drag and drop like a drag and drop dolt
gobliiins complains I need a microsoft compatible mouse
I do have one plugged in
vestal ginkgo
btw someone needs to tell me the simplest interface to connect to the mister wit...
turn on samba shares and then just access it through windows. \mister
round carbon
ah interesting it has cdrom.trk is that an image type?
vestal ginkgo
oh sorry, someone beat me to it
round carbon
I already got winscp haha
wait, gobliiins comes with a 138 megabyte audio flac???
is that part of the game or just this pack lol
hmm something went wrong with the bin and cue
but also I'm not sure about this flac
ahhhh I need to also.. not count cds.. in my megabyte estimation
there's no way this flac was in the game is there
flac was invented in 2001
vestal ginkgo
if using exodos you can delete all the flac stuff
thats them getting cute with dosbox and flac support
fast kraken
same with any MP4 videos you see
round carbon
okay 11mb then
what port do I connect to mister through?
and do I have to boot something in the menu or something first?
okay 22
media>fat is the ssd right?
I mean sd
oh is it actually reaaaaally slooooow to ftp?
summer dragon
it just depends
personally, I think the increase in time is worth not having to constantly remove and reinsert the SD card
are you on wi-fi or wired?
that's part of the reason I got an SSD and just moved my entire games folder over to it. For really large transfers, I can just unplug the SSD and plug into my PC
round carbon
laptop wifi mister wired
okay so.. I fixed how bin/cue are parsed
but that didn't stop it from demanding a microsoft compatible mouse
ah okay so it's in the rem list
haha unknow error -100
okay well it's not complaining about mouse drivers anymore
summer dragon
yeah I had that mouse problem with alone in the dark 3 earlier
round carbon
it might be that me renaming the file structure so it's caled game makes the cds fail
summer dragon
that's a good place to start for sure
round carbon
might just be something else then, I can try another game based on cds
the thing is, all of the 0mhz collection appears to have stripped the root drive to just mister stuff
it does then put the other stuff in a named directory though, like gob1
I could just do that one and read it but then I have to edit autoexec.bat. which is OK but yeah
round carbon
I fixed directories and spaces
guess I will start browsing through this for games I know tomorrow
here's a question btw.. I know a game, probably a dos game. it's on the tip of my tongue for like 2 years
unfortunately I have aphantasia so it's realyl hard to describe but even now I'm so close to that sector of my brain that hasn't been accessed in so long
it is a top down game where you are moving through levels that are winding and mazelike
the background is space
sometimes you go across grids where you can see through and look at the space below you
I believe there's like a scifi font to it too
fast kraken
is it a shooter?
round carbon
I believe.. that there are three "characters" to control
no I think it's almost like a chips challenge type of thing where you just go collect things open gates
it may be a shooter but I have no recollection of shooting
fast kraken
are all three characters in play at the same time like a team?
round carbon
your characters are either something abstract with balls with faces, or like.. dogs with faces or something, I think you are a circle essentially but it looked cool at the time it wasn't like totally dogshit graphics
I can't recall that, I think it was more like you play one at a time
it's so hard because I was like 4 and I clearly didn't imprint a good enough memory
fast kraken
is it turn based or realtime?
round carbon
realtime
I think you can jump too maybe. like into the z axis into the screen
and like ride platforms
I'm tempted to call it a top down platformer
it's not like climbing things but it is like wakling on things to get past obstacles
I owned an amstrad, a dos pc and a win95 pc, I feel like it must be a dos or 95 game though because in my mind it's smooth
you could fall into space too I think and die
you were probably in a spacestation
fast kraken
any idea what year it was?
round carbon
I have no idea, could be like a great game for early 90s or a not so great game for late 90s
I imagine between 93 and 97
if I had to hazard a guess I would say 95-97, the same kind of time I was playing sonic 3 & knuckles, destruction derby, operation inner space, command and conquer. but now that I google those games, they all span from 93-97 hahaha
if I had to guess how it looks based on pangs it would be like this
fast kraken
hmm
beats me sorry
maybe someone else will have some idea
or you can try https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmyjoystick/
round carbon
oh wow wI didn't know that exists
fast kraken
they're pretty good at it, i've seen them find stuff from way less than you've described
round carbon
yeah having said that I have a feeling my game is like.. a demo from a magazine in the 90s or something, I don't think it's a game people are just going to know
like the games I played growing up are just such a random array of games no one I know has ever heard of
max and the machines, otter's adventure
fast kraken
if you have any idea what magazine that detail might help
also like, cd or floppy disk
round carbon
nah no idea whatsoever
annoyingly, I have a 5 years older brother
and he is just like "nope no idea what you're on about"
like come on dude I know you know this somewhere in your brain
fast kraken
while i was browsing dos games seeing if i could spot anything like what you're describing i randomly came across Pinball Illusions
had totally forgotten about that, used to play it for hours back in the day
round carbon
can't say I've played that exact pinball game haha
gloomy bolt
nah no idea whatsoever
Rollin, maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXiO9-3U5Y0
round carbon
omg
in my head this looked so less shit. you know I was even about to say "maybe it has a cool dude in sunglasses and a girl"
gloomy bolt
I think this person is looking for the same game as you though. https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmyjoystick/comments/vkkqhh/pclate_90s_early_00s_topdown_ball_rolling_game/
round carbon
but it sounded too sillly
maybe they're right that this isn't the right game because I just feel like it was less shit than this. but that might just be kid vision
gloomy bolt
They have another game called Shards (Ticsoft, the developer) that looks a bit higher quality, graphics wise.
It is not. It's a matching puzzle game. Damn.
round carbon
rip
hollow ice
Hmm, archive links are blocked?
crimson fulcrum
yes
hollow ice
Google software labs catalog 1995. Might be a good thing to browse in case you are thinking of something that is random shareware
ruby bramble
Any plans on adding the three skyroads games (skyroads, skyroads xmas, kosmonauts) to 0mhz.... also maybe Rusty?
woven lava
Look at that graphics
not enough Apple II love among MiSTer users ... lots of good titles to play on it!
lyric breach
Karateka on Apple II is still one of the greatest gaming designs of all time.
summer dragon
Any plans on adding the three skyroads games (skyroads, skyroads xmas, kosmonaut...
hold the phone…there are two more skyroads games?!?!
@ruby bramble I already added the first skyroads and submitted it, but it hasn’t been added to the pack yet I don’t think. I’m absolutely going to work on the two others now that I know they exist! Actually, come to think of it, I did know about Skyroads Xmas, but I forgot about it until now
summer dragon
@ruby bramble be sure to check your DM’s 🫡
got Skyroads Xmas working fine...Kosmonaut crashes as soon as it starts...hmmm
summer dragon
yeah hmm...can't seem to figure Kosmonaut out
summer dragon
maybe Kosmonaut would work on the PCXT core 🤔
boreal drift
I see the Top300 updater repo is down/gone? - https://github.com/flynnsbit/Top300_updates/blob/main/_mister/update/AO486_Update_Top300_updater.sh?raw=true -O AO486_Update_Top300_updater.sh
Any info on being able to update the pack?
fast kraken
huh? it's still there? https://github.com/flynnsbit/Top300_updates
boreal drift
I'm getting a 404 for it, is it just me??
fast kraken
might be github CDN issues
boreal drift
^^ Ah, thanks for that. Ironically, I needed to grab the update.zip to address the vdisk space concers. I was going to build a new vhd
fast kraken
that was said in 2020 though?
boreal drift
^^ Actually yeah, just noticed that! The thread mentions depracated in the title though...
vestal ginkgo
I'm updating it all
larger space, full updated vhd, etc. Too much bitching about it
fast kraken
cool
vestal ginkgo
I get about 10 DMs a day about it
boreal drift
Happy days, I'll delete what I have and wait for ther updated release. Thanks @vestal ginkgo much appreciated!
vestal ginkgo
Freddo, you have access because you are a contributor, in the event I fall off the face of the planet 😉
@boreal drift can just give you the update.zip from the latest if you want, but trying to do some maintenance that has been needed for years
fast kraken
ah
boreal drift
Ah no @vestal ginkgo I'm happy to wait, no rush here. Appreciate it though!
vestal ginkgo
Shareware pack is out there and updated with the full release, I needed to test my dev build process. I know everyone wants shareware games. lol
spice hound
not enough Apple II love among MiSTer users ... lots of good titles to play on i...
You cannot deny that archiac, barbaric, primitive, horrible, graphics and audio system does not have this special charm or magic behind it! The worse apple // produces graphics THE BETTER ahahahahahahahAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH Aaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaahahh!!!
Look at the graphics...it feels like it is been drawn by a 6 year old hahahahah
And apple 2 is the KING when it comes to adventure games like space quest
I want to PLAY ALL GAMES like that on Apple 2 only if I can. Visualize having a horror game with this system..zombies or alien invasion on apple 2 with it's graphic abilities....- shivers - I feel cozzy - grabs his blanket -
spice hound
come on...you know I am right - grin -
After all that 4k 3D high graphics fast pace over stimulation...electric guitar rock and roll loud thumping music and sound
You need.....a.....relaxing moment hehe - hear that gentle sound of fountain water -
woven lava
plenty of good text based games too
but that may be way too archaic for most people
like Taipan or Millionware
copper slate
@vestal ginkgo is back in business? The return of the king!
opal void
can AO486 do this? 🤡
woven lava
bochsception
opal void
torn delta
MT-32 configs incoming.
tall grotto
wooo!!
torn delta
Sierra MT-32. Chefs Kiss.
tall grotto
always looking for more use for mine ^^
torn delta
Dune I and II sound so good.
tall grotto
I been debating to buy a second one that's the side mounted kind that I could just leave connected.... I love d0pefish's zero 2W design, but there's no easy way for it to mount to the MiSTer Addons case :/
gloomy bolt
11 so far. Probably have them all done next week.
I've just been manually slogging through, exiting games, editing rungame.bat to include the midi flag... I should have just waited. Hehe. LazyNet always wins.
torn delta
Sorry I wasn’t on it sooner.
gloomy bolt
Nah, I'm just messing around. It's easy enough to do, but AWESOME for folks who don't know DOS to have someone do it for them! You're doing good works.
copper slate
MT-32 configs incoming.
Oh I’ve been noticing haha
tawny egret
can someone tell me why accessing BBSes on the computer cores is so much fun? it’s just telnet. it’s just spicy telnet
sometimes it’s spicy telnet with a fucked up character set (petscii). sometimes the ascii art renders perfectly in a way it wouldn’t in a terminal emulator
fuck I think I might get a second mister for this
what is wrong with me
copper slate
what’s spicy telnet