mortal mist
There were several companies that took on the distribution of Sega and Nintendo consoles, but the consoles were hard to come by.
#Sega Saturn
tawny forge
Taki probably outsourced that to QMTech 
wide glacier
aren't the L and R audio channels actually swapped on real saturn consoles as well
burnt matrix
aren't the L and R audio channels actually swapped on real saturn consoles as we...
omg are they
wide glacier
fairly certain they are lol
celest lake
well the super station port differs from the saturn port, so someone is reversed
visual grove
Nah one of their documents about the pinouts was wrong so retro cable companies mess it up, Saturn didn’t ship with swapped audio, segas cables were right
frail token
Is there a list of games that "need" dual SDRAM to run correctly
formal coyote
^also wondering the same
stiff latch
omg are they
yes it was a common problem back then
but when you have a rca/composite video cable, it doesnt matter if its flipped because the user can just change the order of plug in
the problem is when you have a rgb scart cable with hard coded pins
this is a hardware issue that no doubt takis engineers just copied on their pin out
celest lake
yeah, they likely just copied the wrong schematic
the port on the saturn wasn't reversed, but sega published incorrect schematics originally, so third party cable makers flipped the pins. that was later corrected
but taki's hardware people probably just came across a bad schematic
nova prism
If it's not on purpose, what a mistake after such a huge effort 🙁
hearty marten
Can’t say I’m surprised really
tiny flare
Easy to rectify in future revisions at least
But yeah a bit of a rip for those that already have one
quick sorrel
It’s only the Saturn din , right? So couldn’t Taki make a short din-to-din adapter that flips the RnL around to work properly with normal cables?
burnt matrix
But will he?
dusky delta
It’s only the Saturn din , right? So couldn’t Taki make a short din-to-din adapt...
Do you even need that for most formats?
burnt matrix
Unless someone told me I probably wouldn’t have ever noticed lol. I guess if we’re playing Burning Rangers I would?
dusky delta
Component/Composite solution is just flipping the L and R cables
burnt matrix
Component/Composite solution is just flipping the L and R cables
Hah yeah
You’re gonna get that one guy who can’t do it because of the color mismatch
I guarantee you!
tulip parcel
I always mix red and white colors
dusky delta
How does the MiSTer DIN cable system work in regards to also having the 3.5mm. Does having one turn off the other?
tulip parcel
You mean SuperStation One DIN, right? (edit - I can't even get the name right)
dusky delta
You mean Super*Station* One DIN, right? (edit - I can't even get the name right...
Ah. Didn't know only Superstations had it. Thought maybe it was just a choice when you got your IO board
tulip parcel
Yep, this is a problem exclusive to the SuperStation One, and it will be fixed in the next release (but will still affect all currently produced units)
quick sorrel
Component/Composite solution is just flipping the L and R cables
Oh shite that would be infinitely easier
I hadn’t used the din cable until recently so I was thinking it was more of an HDMI type end to end so the cables were all internal
river river
The people who'll be most mildly inconvenienced will be people who have din10 to SCART cables
burnt matrix
din10 looks like dino, as in dinosaurs
celest lake
it's a relatively harmless oversight. people will make a bigger deal about it than it deserves because The Internet™
quick sorrel
With how most people have their speakers, I’m sure most people won’t even notice the RnL switch
tulip parcel
I am positive that Joe from GameSack will make a big deal out of it. 😛
celest lake
As long as they are angry in the thumbnail
glossy steppe
So this problem is only in the DIN port of the superstation? No cables themselves ever had this problem? I thought that someone said some retro cables had this problem too
unkempt kelp
When developing my first Mini din 10 products, I would load Daytona USA and run against the left and right wall. Quick and dirty confirmation I wasn’t being led astray by incorrect online pinouts.
quick sorrel
So Taki is aware and is going to fix the SS1 in a revision?
clear condor
When developing my first Mini din 10 products, I would load Daytona USA and run ...
This is a really good method, partly because then you get to play Daytona
It is possible in principle to swap the L/R lines in software or HDL code, but I think they’d have to distribute SS1-specific cores to ship that
kindred peak
If you pair a Super Station One's reversed pins with the popular composite/s-video combo cable sold under multiple brands (including Retrobit) -- it would actually be correct. 😂
visual grove
Two wrongs make a right?
visual grove
So Taki is aware and is going to fix the SS1 in a revision?
It’s Taki, he will probably argue about it, stubbornly not admit the mistake and release another series of core forks 😜
tiny flare
For real though I hope they fix it, it’s a really nice console, I still kind of want one…
quick sorrel
It’s Taki, he will probably argue about it, stubbornly not admit the mistake an...
Wait, there are SS1 core forks already? O.o
river river
Wait, there are SS1 core forks already? O.o
There aren't any currently
quick sorrel
Currently he says 😱😅🤷♂️
river river
Actually I lie, there's a version of the Atari 7800 core with subcarrier support
quick sorrel
Well, okay 🤪
river river
Not sure if anyone actually cares or even knows about that though
kindred peak
When developing my first Mini din 10 products, I would load Daytona USA and run ...
I've always used Street Fighter Alpha (any of them). The audio pans hard left and right when you're on the edges of the screen.
drowsy hull
Which taught many dumb kids what the mono setting was good for.
quick sorrel
I've always used Street Fighter Alpha (any of them). The audio pans hard left an...
different core but, UN Squadron does that too
stiff latch
i love stereo separation
celest lake
When developing my first Mini din 10 products, I would load Daytona USA and run ...
That's weird. I just do this in real life for confirmation that I am still alive
stiff latch
lets go away
visual grove
That's weird. I just do this in real life for confirmation that I am still alive
TRY TO GO EASY ON THE CAR
celest lake
DAYTOOOOOOOONNNNAAAAAAAAAAA
winter phoenix
I prefer to FLY LIKE THE SONS OF ANGELS
stiff latch
kindred peak
That's weird. I just do this in real life for confirmation that I am still alive
YOUR TIME HAS BEEN EXTENDED
sad trombone
clear condor
That's weird. I just do this in real life for confirmation that I am still alive
CONGRATULATIONS!
You Just Lost
Your Sponsors
Dammit I just looked up
unreal saffron
pal crt
glossy steppe
Two wrongs make a right?
In this case it's two lefts making a right
glossy steppe
Wait, there are SS1 core forks already? O.o
I thought the PSX core was forked to support loading from an actual cd?
river river
I thought the PSX core was forked to support loading from an actual cd?
Not yet
glossy steppe
Oh, that feature is still coming?
river river
Supposedly slated for version 1.1 of the console mode ui (unclear if its part of the ui or just happening at the same time), whenever that is
quick sorrel
I thought the PSX core was forked to support loading from an actual cd?
Good point
shut pulsar
im getting the same behavior from my saturn
floral saddle
im getting the same behavior from my saturn
Thank you so much for checking! Whilst I thought the core was correct it's always nice if someone with real hardware can double check just in case. I didn't get around to capturing the part at the end stage where they free nights, if you don't mind checking that for me when I do that would be very helpful as youtube footage was inconclusive.
Already raised a github ticket with your footage of the character select so hopefully that can be looked into at some point.
ripe valley
I shall be back within the end of the week, I can take a look after that.
I want to check if the issue is present (or not) depending on the VDPx chips revisions.
rough oracle
apropos of absolutely nothing, I have dumped the SMPC
@ripe valley @green swift is this for you?
tidal marsh
#games-and-patches message
Made a SEGA chat for the general sega talk, forgot to post it here
glossy steppe
System Mangler and Peripheral Churner? What does that microcontroller even do?
green swift
System Mangler and Peripheral Churner? What does that microcontroller even do?
It creates a lot of trouble for Saturn emulator developers.😀 But now that won't be a problem anymore.
rough oracle
I hadn't realised it was such a troublesome part 😅
ripe valley
@rough oracle What a nice surprise! Dr_Abrasive in person! Thanks for the SMPC documentations.
That will be more for srg320, which is the creator of the core and our specialist on the system here.
But I can take a proper look on it tomorrow.
thorn pagoda
oh awesome thanks abrasive!
wow we have like, all the best saturn scene celebrities in here now
rough oracle
emulsions are good too!
glossy steppe
I wouldn't try to emulsify a Sega Saturn though