Sega Saturn

[wise brook]

cheers too, to electronash, blue1, zet, kuba and all the other feature contributors, playtesters, patreons and otherwise swell human beings that helped make this happen

https://tenor.com/view/outrun-sega-radio-racing-game-driving-game-gif-12166460004170282121

what song is the most a e s t h e t i c

[pearl harbor]

Passing Breeze for life!

[clear condor]

MSS

[mortal mist]

it was a cool adventure 🙂

[viral pebble]

So are we really just a couple of releases away from the Saturn being in a finished/official state?

[hearty marten]

I’d say it feels pretty finished already. No idea when srg320 will release the next official release though

[visual grove]

Did Robby’s crappy pyramid game get fixed?

[rich violet]

Just noticed that the Sega Saturn thread is now tagged "Established" 🙂

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/greasestain-woody-dap-up-dapping-toy-story-gif-16829324021208675735

[livid grotto]

Is is just me or is Thunderforce V still choppy as heck in places compared to original hardware?

[floral saddle]

I thought it was more pronounced than I remembered too.

You can really make Radiant Silvergun chug hard when using the search weapon as well. Think if there was slowdown on real hardware then it can be a bit more on the core.

[wise brook]

single or dual?

[livid grotto]

Single. Choppy with fast timings too. QMTECH.

[wise brook]

as long as you know it’s not really the core at fault. and single SD is doing all it can

[topaz tartan]

Doesn't sound all that 'finished' to me 🤔

[hearty marten]

Because there’s like one or two bugs?

I mean, technically 0 bugs would be “finished”, but the differences between successive versions seems very small now

[wise brook]

who told you it was?

[hearty marten]

I said it felt “pretty finished” (i.e. almost)

[vernal sun]

There is always more to do but it feels mostly complete. I assume if srg didn’t have things left he still wanted to do he would have released another official release. Maybe this close he is just waiting till he is ‘done’ to do another general release?

[celest lake]

Art is never finished only abandoned

[burnt matrix]

what's my crappy pyramid GAEMZ

[visual grove]

The one that ran like a slide show some time back was kind of Egypt themed? You asked for a real hardware test

[safe trail]

I know that there are things in Main_MiSTer for both Saturn and TG16 that are waiting for a new release - and those changes (at least on the TG16 side) require a simultaneous release of Main and the core.

[burnt matrix]

oh yeah lol

[safe trail]

so maybe it's pending the Main release

[zinc pike]

Hey all, whats the status of Saturn on Mister? do i need to download something separately? like a stable build? or just update_all and load up the SD?

[small ore]

Saturn is in an excellent state right now. You can get an older build from this year (but still good) from running update_all. There are newer builds you can download from #unstable-nightlies

You will need saturn bios files, which can be optionally obtained from update_all

[wise brook]

it’s really good, you should try it

[zinc pike]

Nice! I really want to play that Golden Axe Duel game!

[winter phoenix]

This could be multiple games. Powerslave? Lupin the Third? Cleopatra Fortune? Jewels of the Oracle?

(aside from the slideshow part. I mean the pyramid part.)

[wise brook]

you can even play the S-TV version

[burnt matrix]

It’s our secret game, just between @visual grove and I

[winter phoenix]

Intriguing

You should make a homebrew Saturn game, Robby

[visual grove]

Giggle puppy snuggle love was the name of our homebrew. There’s only a button for ‘frolic’

[burnt matrix]

it’s called Atlantis - The Lost Tales and it’s still choppy

[visual grove]

awww yeah

Send it to srg

3DO can suck it

[burnt matrix]

I forgot about that one, my ace in the hole was bringing up the Battletoads core

Now I’ve got two aces

[winter phoenix]

Oh I missed that Saturn Egypt game 😆

[quick sorrel]

Oh man, I just updated the core for the first time in a few months and out of the blue, I have a stark green dot in the center when booting into a game
Somehow the light gun is now enabled (or supported 🤷‍♂️) cuz I never had the dot for the light gun before (and never used one either)

[warped saddle]

go into input settings and make sure pad 2 isn't set to lightgun

[kindred sundial]

I didn’t see this in the GitHub but on the newest single ram core in Panzer Dragoon the top half of the text flickers on the hard mode ending. You can view it by entering the code from the main menu so you don’t have to play through the whole game. Can someone test on single and dual ram and see if they can replicate?

[mint sparrow]

hahah have had the exactly same issue and thoughts 😄
Its super easy to fix ... like Zakk described...

[quick sorrel]

Yeah it was but I have no recollection nor had a need to enable it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Was weird that it was enabled seemingly be da fault

Default

The fault of default 🤷‍♂️😜

[floral saddle]

Not an issue on dual ram with the latest unstable core + main.

[floral saddle]

yup, the bits where you freely look around are half the fps that they should be, will raise it on github later.

[prisma wraith]

@wise brook I tried my wheel on the saturn core and it doesnt work in wheel mode or 3d pad mode in out run. analog seems to be detected in 3d pad mode so the steering wheel works, but the L/R used for gas dont seem be be bound to any axis that mister has bound to my wheel

wheel mode doesnt respond at all, not even the start button.

seems to do weird things to the bios screen when wheel mode is toggled also, jumbles up the music player oddly

[wise brook]

thanks for testing. Do you know if whell support has something like a “module” that can be added into cores

copy and paste the code so to speak?

[thorn pagoda]

is psx the only other core with notable wheel support actually?

maybe its on ao486 too

[rich violet]

Maybe worth making a feature request?

[wise brook]

there kind of already is one

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/246

easiest solution is, finding out if there’s a guy specifically known for adding the feature to the psx core

like blue1 being the snac GOAT

i’d even be willing to try dip my toes into adding the feature to the core if I had even the most basic of starting points

[thorn pagoda]

sorg added the psx wheel support iirc

[inner token]

I think I had wheel working with snac, but the issue says it's broke. I know you're talking about usb wheel(I think). There is already code in hps2pad.sv for the usb wheel. SRG probably broke it when added the snac code(he rewrote most of it) . You might be able to try a build before that and see if usb wheel worked. You just need to figure out how it's broke and fix it.

[wise brook]

snac wheel and everything snac is working perfectly now

unless the midi keyboard isn’t working, but I’m not a big enough sicko to own that

TBH that probably connected with the serial port

[inner token]

ok maybe they were wrong about snac. but the usb wheel is in the options for usb pads, so it may have worked at one time.

thanks for confirming snac wheel works btw

the problem is in hps2pad or may be around here I'd say https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/blob/main/rtl/Saturn/SMPC.sv#L802

[coarse token]

case (PORT_ST)

[wise brook]

I was able to use an N64 nso controller as a wheel

analog log stick worked for the analog axis of the wheel and up down was mapped to the floppy paddles behind the wheel

[frail token]

What about the SNAC midi keyboard wheel

With Dack and Start buttons

[marble laurel]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/pull/985

[wise brook]

Main fix!

@timber marlin

[inner token]

So what do you think @prisma wraith problem was that it didn't work for his wheel? core didn't like his mappings

[timber marlin]

Thanks for the heads up. Will test it later.

[timber marlin]

Tested the new mister unstable with albert odyssey. Issue has been fixed. Sound plays perfectly in sync with the animation during the intro.

[floral saddle]

Same for Die Hard Arcade, all fixed, github issue closed.

[winter phoenix]

oh, he finally added all the fixes to main? for the first time in months?

[wise brook]

i’m hearing a burp at the start of tracks in the attract mode.

gonna check it’s not a .chd thing

[hearty marten]

Except it’s not the first time in months. There have been Saturn main fixes 10 and 11 days ago, another in mid-March, and others in Feb

[winter phoenix]

oh, I missed the ones from 10 and 11 days ago

and March...

[small ore]

I think it might be a CHD thing, new mister update caused the fox logo music to cut off WAY early for me. Switching to bin/cue fixed it.

[wise brook]

present in redump bin/cue and chd

i coped over wifi so unless that introduced the exact same issue

dual ram direct output, for reference

[wise brook]

i’ll take out the sd card and manually transfer a bin/cue…

copying bin/cue of Die Hard Arcade and Dynamite Deca

[floral saddle]

cue/bin on my end and everything sounds good. I noticed that the intro subtitles for the voice over are way out of sync in a couple of places, gonna check real hardware and see how it does things...

[exotic elk]

did you get a prank release of the game

[floral saddle]

It's bugged, the subtitles are appearing over the logo when they shouldn't, the timing is way out.

[wise brook]

might be a case of an earlier fix when combined with this throws something out

it’s all part of the process

[small ore]

~~I accidentally loaded up Die Hard Trilogy trying to hear these burps, and I don't think I ever ran it on the core before... but after the copyright text the game completely hangs on a black screen with a ton of garbage noise just endlessly looping. Tried with both CHD and bin/cue. Running off an SD card with Dual RAM.

Tested on todays unstable main, and the slightly older unstable.~~

Edit: Ignore me, literally known already.

[mortal mist]

use regular bios, set region manually , don't use RAM carts https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/161

[small ore]

Solved that mystery fast

I think a note on the compatibility spreadsheet would be helpful with that. Those are the sources I check first.

[mortal mist]

The relevant note has been there for a long time , I added it myself

[small ore]

Ignore everything about me right now, it's too early to be doing testing... I should go back to bed.

[wise brook]

sleep well sweet prince

[floral saddle]

Good news, the subtitle bug is only with the patched version of the game that I mistakenly booted, the normal version doesn't exhibit the bug.

[wise brook]

just the audio burp for my dual ram setup

[floral saddle]

Audio blips like that are weird, I reported a few that others couldn't replicate at all so closed the github tickets, but I still hear them to this day.

And just in case anyone notices the patched version bug in future, this is what it looks like.

[winter phoenix]

hey y'all, SHIRO! is doing everyone's favorite Saturn-exclusive rhythm game for May's community challenge, and once again there's a MiSTer/emulation category: https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/04/30/the-shiro-community-grooves-to-jung-rhythm-this-may/

[burnt matrix]

That’s very considerate to include a MiSTer category. Thank you,

[winter phoenix]

yep. we did that for the challenge in March, too, although no one entered with the MiSTer ... hopefully some FPGA fans give Jung Rhythm a shot

[plush jetty]

Not that I need another controller, but has anyone used the Twin Stick via Reflex Adapt?

[noble escarp]

I've used it a lot. Pretty good to play xeno crisis on mega drive!

[plush jetty]

Oh man, that’s what I wanted to hear! Thank you

[wise brook]

just learned the 3D Controller was colloquially known in japan as the marukon

マルコン

[tall radish]

That's pretty cute.

さすが日本

[errant crown]

I like how it got unofficially nicknamed the Spielberg Controller

Cuz Steven Spielberg inspired the creation of the controller

[vocal comet]

マルコン？可愛いなぁ　笑

He did?

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-internet-tell-lies-buster-lie-gif-4986649

[prisma wraith]

the thing is, the saturn didnt even have two separate analog sticks, so the triggers could be bound to the right analog stick or vertical axis on the left stick and work with wheels perfectly fine. imo the analog triggers on saturn would be best translated that way instead of adding new axis specifically for the triggers to mister

i think this is the core of the problem, but i'll let you wizards determine that.

[thorn pagoda]

i don't think it works to map both triggers/pedals to the same axis since that means you cant press both at once

i.e brake and accelerate at the same time

[warped saddle]

you have two axes, use them

[thorn pagoda]

and my axis

[celest lake]

Off hand is used with disadvantage

[warped saddle]

even just mapping triggers to the analog stick axes would require a not small change to main for mapping. you'd have to ask the user to move the triggers, and then probably selectively disable mister's generation of digital button events for analog movement

[thorn pagoda]

how does like, batocera handle this for example?

[warped saddle]

by not having mister's input model

it's not comparable. they just...map the analog triggers to triggers

[inner token]

I think saturn wheel buttons were all digital and only the wheel itself was analog. So why was Walrus's wheel not working when wheel was selected was what I was wondering. The analog triggers not working when 3d pad is selected is a different problem.

[wise brook]

double check that he was using up down

[warped saddle]

and it was mapped in main as such

[wise brook]

I remember that the paddles are mapped to the up and down parts of the dpad

[warped saddle]

if the wheel uses some odd axis for turning it may not get auto recognized as one of the analog sticks

[inner token]

there you can see what he originally reported #1046941029296779344 message

Maybe he'll test more(in wheel mode), and maybe try mapping or remapping

[errant crown]

Wasn’t that actually the case, though?

[wise brook]

nah

or the Bug! claim

[errant crown]

Ah, so he tested it

[errant crown]

Oh, I know that one. I watched the Pandamonium vid.

[wise brook]

All hail the panda

[inner token]

last thing about the wheel for now @prisma wraith looks like SRG fixed the wheel on Mar27 so if you can try a build after that.

[severe whale]

Anyone finished Princess Crown? Is it good? Worth playing through? Difficult?

[sterile parcel]

I'm over 20 hours in and I think it's Vanillaware's best game. Definitely worth playing. I found the difficulty just right so far.

[high bramble]

Definitely worth playing, yes... but I think Unicorn Overlord is their best game... so far.

[wise brook]

part of me is wondering why you’ve not rushed to find out for yourself.

this platform gives you access to the majority of gaming history at no additional cost

patching and starting has never been easier

just… play and see

maybe discover a disappointment for yourself, because then at least, it’ll be your own experience

i resent not watching one of my favorite films for years because i trusted a negative review over my own judgment

[sterile parcel]

I found a bug while playing the other day and I'm not sure how to tell if it's the patch or a core bug. 🤔

[sinful reef]

You could try to replicate it in the unpatched original rom.

[sterile parcel]

It's really far in the game at a specific part unfortunately. I'm assuming the saves from the patched version aren't compatible with the unpatched version

[errant crown]

Saw some people talk about the Eadmaster translation, and apparently it’s overly literal, and clear that Eadmaster rushed through it to be “the first one” to release a “completed” patch. I also don’t fully trust Eadmaster for various reasons. Imma wait until the SamIam translation comes out.

[small ore]

The person eadmaster got to help translate initially was essentially a beginner in japanese, hence the literal-ness

[errant crown]

Allegedly, paul_met contributed a bit to this version, which is cool, but I have no idea of the extent

[errant crown]

Gotcha, that makes sense. This whole job has a real amateur vibe to it.

[tribal burrow]

Just to be clear are you talking about the Princess Crown patch that went to 1.0 recently?

[errant crown]

Yeah

[tribal burrow]

I haven’t had a chance to look at it myself yet

[errant crown]

The one by the guy who built it off a like 0.3 version from the original translator

[tribal burrow]

Didn’t get the impression that the script was amateurish from the VGE videos

Right yeah

[small ore]

From what I've heard from other translation groups on other projects that were discussing it at the time, the translation is excessively literal, and in some cases has odd grammar and uses words and phrasing that doesn't sound like something a human would say in conversation.

[errant crown]

Yeah, heard the same. Like, it’s definitely better than using Google Translate’s camera function on the game, but Imma wait for the real deal.

One has had much more effort put into it

[tribal burrow]

Translating Japanese literally definitely sounds / reads unnatural in English.
Is the SamIAm one still active ?

[small ore]

They say they're still working on it. It caused a whole ruckus back when eadmaster announced his.

[errant crown]

It’s like 99% done, but life has gotten in the way, and there are some serious bugs he needs to fix

[tribal burrow]

Gotcha
For anyone curious this seems to be some recent info:

https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=39984.0

I still gotta make time for Sakura Wars 1 lol…talk about life getting in the way :/

[burnt matrix]

But this is the real deal. You’re the first I’ve heard not liking the translation and from what I played it was fine.

Princess Crown got translated, this guy did it first. None of that is changing. I think it’s cool other people are translating and good on them. But these are people who worked hard for free and in their spare time. We should appreciate their hard work.

And to be frank I don’t think a Princess Crown translation would’ve ever been released if it weren’t for this guy. We should be thankful that he actually got it done and kicked everyone else’s butts into gear.

[errant crown]

I will say I am glad he indirectly got the ball rolling again

[burnt matrix]

He very directly got the ball rolling and it’s unfortunate the original translator had such a negative public reaction to it.

I honestly never heard of the guy before reading the Princess Crown’s translation GitHub crediting him. First thing you read.

[small ore]

I think if the original people just had a few more updates over the course of the project, that whole incident could've been avoided. They tended to just go completely radio silent for years, only offering up maybe "yes i'm still working on it" when it inevitably came up when someone asked if it was dead, or relying on other people to offer second hand information that they spoke with cyberwarrior or sam and were told it was still in progress.

The link that @tribal burrow posted to a post from feb this year, has more information about the status of the project, than what they were offering up over the decade this project has been around for, at the time it was actually happening. If they just had some more contemporary status updates, it would've put a lot of people at ease about the whole thing.

[burnt matrix]

They’re all cool. Love translators making games more accessible for everyone. 💪

[tribal burrow]

Yeah every fan translation project is a blessing honestly. It’s nice when the projects reach or get close to professional results but these ppl are working for free. Even professional translators and localizers get paid peanuts these days but that’s another issue

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that’s unfortunate and I worry about ChatGPT translations. Although I’m a hypocrite as it doesn’t bother me when a fan translation uses ChatGPT lol.

Like if I’m paying for it, do the due diligence.

[small ore]

There's a PSP game, where the only translation available is a pre-ai google translated script. It's borderline unplayable because of how terrible it is.

[tribal burrow]

Anecdotally it seems like lots of companies in Japan are pretty gung-ho about using AI. I could see a lot of them leaning on it for translation and just have a native speaker check it at like minimum wage/contracted so they don’t have to pay for their insurance benefits etc

[tribal burrow]

lol is it that 3D Suikoden game?

[burnt matrix]

Well I’m sorry for being preachy.

Thanks for reading my posts tho

[small ore]

Shining Ark, had to look it up real quick

borderline unplayable may have been an overstatement

[unkempt sparrow]

de-lurking to ask a question of you kind folks - seems consensus is that multitap *should *work via SNAC, but no dice for me on stable or latest unstable core, with/without stable main. Can anyone confirm it's working (or not) for them? Cheers

[inner token]

I had it working in my old builds, not sure it works with the current core SRG rewrote some stuff and I don't have one to test. You can try one of my old builds. they won't be as good as current code and may not even boot. #1046941029296779344 message

[unkempt sparrow]

Ah great, thank you - will test it now

[cobalt rune]

Some people are just never happy

[wise brook]

unfortunate for who

[unkempt sparrow]

@inner token Your build works great, thank you! I've got 7 players working straight away (6p via multitap, 1p USB) - looks like the SNAC refactor might have caused an issue with it

[wise brook]

not concern trolling, or being facetious

[inner token]

cool I thought that would work, I have another build on here with usb multitap too you can look for. there was a limit and you couldn't do 10 player.

[unkempt sparrow]

Nice, lucky to have the hardware to run it with SNAC, but nice to know there's USB to try as well - it's really just for bomberman, and that seems to work well even with older builds

[topaz tartan]

FWIW I don't have a particularly strong opinion regarding Princess Crown's tl, but a lot of this does remind me a bit of the work going on rn with Tales of Destiny 2 - another RPG with at least two distinct ongoing fan tls.
I don't think having different interpretations is inherently a bad thing, but it's pretty clear that eadmaster and SamIAm have different priorities in mind. I'm just happy the game is getting attention at all, as someone that enjoys Vanillaware's work and has always had a passing interest in this game.

I will also add that SamIAm has been Pandaman's goto translator as of late (I forget if he's the sole JP translator or not, but have you SEEN the Virtua Cop video? lol), so I perfectly understand if he just has a lot of shit ongoing getting in the way of his free passion project.

[wise brook]

the virtua cop review is, simply put, the gold standard by which all other long form game review/documentaries ought be judged by

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, I’m glad he was able to pull most of the dev team for that. Wish he could have gotten more sega devs for the sega rally video, but pivoting to the actual rally race to mirror the game was good as well.

Granted, I came out of that video telling myself “you don’t need another hobby, don’t look for a used Celica”

[errant crown]

I was excited for a Yo-Kai Watch 4 translation, only to find out they translated it with AI. Yuck.

[rich violet]

I think that was true of the early releases, but in the months since, a lot of work has been done to make the English more natural. You can see it clearly in the github diffs

[sterile parcel]

I've had no issues with the translation so far. Growing up with JRPG's in the 90's I've seen many worse translations, and they were official

No "This guy are sick" to be found so far in Princess Crown

[lofty spire]

no jokes about Bill Clinton either

[high bramble]

...or Annie Lennox.

[hearty marten]

All your base are belong to us

[celest lake]

oh like the gif

[hearty marten]

Like the game that you can play on the MiSTer FPGA

[celest lake]

he is not a cat

it's always bothered me

he is not one cat, let alone plural cats

[hearty marten]

Oh man, this game is good!

[frail token]

Haven't you seen Red Dwarf

[exotic elk]

there are indeed space cats

[hearty marten]

Never

[mossy crystal]

Are there any games that are worth it to play on the saturn analog controller?

[next bronze]

and one of them sounds like ALF

[rich violet]

Nights into Dreams

[serene thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-a-little-german-sprechen-sie-deutsch-sprechen-sitting-over-there-top-secret-gif-16743806

[upper dust]

Sega Rally Championship Netlink+ Edition

[errant crown]

NiGHTS is the main one. If you play the English fan translation of Baroque, the 3D control pad gives you a much better control experience. Burning Rangers and Sonic 3D Blast, also. It’s not crucial to the experience, but all scenarios of Shining Force III support it, making overworld traversal more fluid and convenient. There’s also that racing game that just got translated to English, Choro Q Park.

Panzer Dragoon and Zwei support the 3D control pad, but you can’t move all the way to the corners, because they’re emulating the Mission Stick controls, which have a square gate.

I bought a Mission Stick mainly to play those games.

[wise brook]

using a modern controller and setting it to mission stick in the OSD might work perfectly

[errant crown]

Oh, cool

Oh yeah, Battle Garegga also supports full 3D control with the pad, but I still can’t decide if I prefer that over playing it with my arcade stick.

[clear condor]

Later versions of Sega Rally support it, but that game already plays really well with the normal digital controller

[errant crown]

The Japanese version of Need for Speed supports it. The one that’s a reskin with all Nissan cars.

[wise brook]

can anyone here using a direct video to DAC test Die Hard Arcade for audio pop at the beginning of tracks

[wise brook]

does anyone here not have a DAC lying around they can test?

[celest lake]

Sorry wrong channel, that’s for @wise brook

[wise brook]

clean as it should be

[tiny quartz]

Soukyugurentai also works with the analogue input.

[winter phoenix]

Stellar Assault SS

Also, Deep Fear controls completely differently (and better) with the 3D analog pad vs. the standard pad

[outer relic]

Nights

[winter phoenix]

Deep Fear with D-pad = Resident Evil tank controls

Deep Fear with analog stick = modern controls for sane people

[river wing]

I don't think Resident Evil controls are "insane".
Maybe you didn't play the game back in the day, and want to play it now because "retro is cool, bro", or something like that...

[lucid needle]

This has most likely been asked before, but is it possible to set unified controls for all the ST-V cores?

[odd cobalt]

Not sure if asked for but a flip screen option would be nice like there is in the psx core as my main monitor only rotates one way and it's the wrong way for layer section

[polar mountain]

ManxTT

Powerslave

Outrun

[topaz mica]

is the analog pad supported on the core yet? Not been following recent updates

[winter phoenix]

I’m being facetious.

[winter phoenix]

With SNAC, yes

Except the analog triggers, of course…

[hearty marten]

Which games make use of analogue triggers?

[winter phoenix]

Racing games, often

[hearty marten]

Even on the Saturn? That surprises me

[burnt matrix]

People who like Resident Evil controls are insane, gottem

I actually like Resident Evil controls lol. People who complain about them are WEAK.

[exotic elk]

what are they

tank controls?

[small ore]

Tank controls, control movement based on the facing of the character. So pressing 'up' would always make your character move forward with regard to their own facing, and completely ignore your player camera view.

[exotic elk]

yeah

that's called Alone in the Dark controls

it was the original resident evil

[wise brook]

For those not following too closely, I think I figured out why there’s an audio blip for my set up while playing die hard arcade

it looks like any time direct video experiences a resolution change while audio plays. There is a momentary audio stutter.

happens on any core/game

Immediately noticeable when the PS1 boots

[burnt matrix]

Is this just due to your particular setup?

[wise brook]

I think it is explicitly the nature of this DAC

I’ve eliminated all other variables

if I use any of Mister binary - unstable or main.
Direct video has the audio issue

The retro castle DAC is five star rated by Kuro and I’ve always loved the picture

I guess I just never noticed the issue because I never really played that game too much

and when I got really into it, it was via the ST V

perhaps based upon how the core handles resolution changes it is more or less likely to happen

Or maybe a cheaper dac would care less and maintain audio

[jovial epoch]

having an odd "error" core will always tell me the drive door is open, but there is no option to close it. any clues? tried the latest unstable and the version that is in the (latest)update all.

[wise brook]

what

Play a game, bro

[jovial epoch]

....

this comes up after i start a game obv

[wise brook]

The only time the core should tell you that the disc lid is open is when the core boots

Perhaps you’ve screwed up the bios

And it needs to be named correctly

[jovial epoch]

yes, i'm using all stuff which has worked up until today after I did an update

[burnt matrix]

Delete your config and set it up again

[jovial epoch]

this would be under "media/fat/config" right?

just delete and re-run update stuff?

[small ore]

configs are not downloaded, they are generated if they don't exist when you run the core.

[jovial epoch]

gotcha

will try that, thanks folks

[celest lake]

Could it also be the display? Because some displays handle the resolution change better?

Also, I think is exactly the stuff zakk was looking at before he fell down an interlaced hole

[wise brook]

It could be exactly something to do with interlaced now I think about it

[celest lake]

Zakk, iirc, was looking at making that res change (specifically) better on mister

[wise brook]

but I don’t think it’s my display because if I plug the mister directly into a TV or extract the audio to speakers or listen to the output from the TINK5x it’s the same

[celest lake]

Just direct video? Or normal video too?

[wise brook]

tell you something this is one way to spend my time off work.

heheh

[wise brook]

Only with direct video and only with interlaced output, does the issue occur

maybe sonic2 2player on the Megadrive will do the same thing

[celest lake]

Ok. Let me order another audio dac from Amazon, and I’ll test on my non av system direct video mister

But if it’s the hiccup I’m thinking of, it’s been there forever

[wise brook]

Interesting that it doesn’t happen with diehard arcade STV

[celest lake]

Does it happen with Dino crisis?

[jovial epoch]

no luck with that one unfortunatly

[celest lake]

Does it not let you load games?

[jovial epoch]

yes

[celest lake]

Because it will report the drive door open on boot

[jovial epoch]

i get the boot screen and then goes straight to the CD menu

[celest lake]

Yep, that’s correct. And then when you select a cd image, does it stay there or does the core reboot?

[jovial epoch]

when i choose a game it stays there

i have to reset

[wise brook]

What’s your bios and what is it called?

[jovial epoch]

hi saturn 1.003

[wise brook]

What am I looking for specifically in Dino crisis?

I’m not experiencing any audio drop outs when going between menu and game

maybe certain resolution changes or certain audio prompts starting during the resolution change are more rough than others on the DAC

fwiw no issue with sonic two on mega Drive either

[celest lake]

Weird

[celest lake]

Delete the bios and have update all grab one.

[jovial epoch]

crazy even that does not the trick

[wise brook]

Is this with every game?

What kind of files are you using?

Do you have a spare SD card that you could test a clean install?

[jovial epoch]

CHD format. tried all regions

I try with another SD card and see how this goes

ok the other card works on the first try

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[celest lake]

Both the same speed rating?

[celest lake]

Dac coming today. This afternoon, science will be done

[prisma wraith]

i'll give it a try! 3d pad mode is really what we would want to use with wheel and pedals on this core whenever possible though. cannot bind button presses to my pedals, which would be needed in the standard wheel mode.

ive got some free time this weekend to test a bit more. I'll try my saturn light guns again also, those didnt work last time I tested them with SNAC in the core either

[inner token]

using snax?

[prisma wraith]

yep

[wise brook]

ayo, just realized

Dual shock works with Panzer Dragoon Zwei

as a full on Twin Mission Stick

[quick sorrel]

Now that’s a hefty discount for analog

[wise brook]

yeah, getting a pair of those in the wild now is easily a $200+ affair

[pearl harbor]

I was able to map it for Bulk Slash too.

[quick sorrel]

What settings do you use for it?

[exotic elk]

ah yes, nose buttons

[wise brook]

OSD, input1 set to twin mission stick

[wise brook]

ah neat, just mapping the analog sticks as dpad inputs

also for Zwei i merely set the DS5 to;
face buttons = a b x y
l1 r1 = z c

l2 r2 = L R

the analog stick were already set to what they needed to be

[winter phoenix]

Hope you finished all the other English translation patches lately because another one just came out! Waku Waku Puyo Puyo Dungeon is the latest Saturn fan localization — get the details in my story:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/05/05/english-patch-released-for-waku-waku-puyo-puyo-dungeon/

[rich violet]

Oh wow, another translation! 😍

[ancient surge]

I remember getting stuck at the Harpy boss fight, because she would keep spamming these song attacks that effects the entire floor.

[rich violet]

@winter phoenix is there any reason why so many Saturn translations have been released lately?

Like new developer tools or something?

[ancient surge]

It's basically a mixture of new tools making it easier to modify and examine the files for SEGA Saturn games, emulation for SEGA Saturn greatly improving, and mods for the original hardware making it easier to play games. All this means there's more interest in SEGA Saturn, including making translation patches for the (many) games that never got released outside of Japan.

[rich violet]

What a time to be alive

[cobalt rune]

Exactly. I don't even care that modern gaming mostly sucks. The retro commit gives me new gems all the time

[mint sparrow]

exactly why im still playing these gems

[ruby rampart]

there arent many new translation tools (lots of great homebrew ones though!) ; the main reason for more translations is more people getting into it and more knowledge being found and spread.

[deft verge]

the more translations the better

[burnt matrix]

I’m the opposite! the less translations the better. Will force people to learn a new language.

[ruby rampart]

-_-

[burnt matrix]

lol

[topaz mica]

does the default Saturn core utilize dual ram if present? Or do you have to launch the latest unstable build for that?

[burnt matrix]

There is a dual ram build if you want dual ram

By default the dual ram build is not distributed through the official MiSTer update script

We’re thinking of ways of automating that process in the future but if you want dual ram you’ll need to download it yourself for the time being,

[topaz mica]

ok, thanks!

[plain hearth]

If I play Radiant Silvergun and then try to load another disc, it won't load until I reboot. Does that happen to someone else?

[upper dust]

yeah it happens to me randomly

[burnt matrix]

If I were to assume it’s like you popped in another disc while playing Radiant Silvergun

[mint sparrow]

No but its always recommended to reset the mister if you change a game

[burnt matrix]

You’d have to reboot the system in order to play the new game

I’m guessing here anyways

[upper dust]

even when the games are in their own folders and the core resets on load it can still not load the new game

I've had to unmount, reset, then reload the game sometimes

[mint sparrow]

well for single disk games its recommended and i do so... For multi disk games .. if its says insert disk two i insert disk two
and dont have any trouble... Like Final Fantasy PSX or similar stuff

[upper dust]

The issue occurs more for me on the Saturn
I can eventually get the games to run at least
Just a mild annoyance

And there really isn't a reproducible pattern

[plain hearth]

I usually just swap games on the OSD. Found it weird that the problem only happens after Radiant Silvergun specifically.

[burnt matrix]

lol I forgot what dumb bullshit I typed this time:

[burnt matrix]

lol I’m kidding I love translations

[marble laurel]

great home screen 😍

[high bramble]

I'm guessing it was this one...

...the one with all the reactions. 😉

Damn... used up all my snark of the day with one comment. I need to pace myself.

[rich violet]

Are you using the latest stable? It's pretty old now, and the core has improved a lot since then

[plain hearth]

latest Dual RAM

[wise brook]

shrew: tamed

[burnt matrix]

Thank you for taking one for the team

[winter phoenix]

This is the Robbiest lock screen imaginable. Perfect 👌

[sturdy dagger]

Is there a game that requires dual ram? I saw there's a Saturn core for dual ram.

(Got my 2nd ram coming today so wanted a few things to test it. I already have the 2nd memtest)

[rich violet]

There are a bunch that work better with dual ram

Some (all?) of the 3D fighting games - Slowdown on single RAM

Pyon Pyon Kyaruru no Mahjong Biyori -- Has corrupt intro on single RAM

Grandia - Graphical issues on single RAM

I think there are some others too, but I can't remember them

[sturdy dagger]

sweet ty

[sturdy dagger]

Just found that game compatibility Google doc thingy.

Can anyone test and validate games? I might do a playthrough of Resident Evil 1 (and complete it). I wouldn't mind doing that playthrough with the Saturn port.

[sturdy dagger]

I could even try the Japanese version too. I noticed that completed games are highlighted in green.

[rich violet]

Yeah, anyone can test and validate games

[sturdy dagger]

Sweet. I've actually not played the Saturn port of Resident Evil (Well in my case Biohazard)

I do know there's a few extras and differences.

[sturdy dagger]

(and generally the Japanese versions of Resident Evil are easier)

Damn, I'm surprised on how good Biohazard looks on the Saturn.

[wise brook]

the saturn was a beast for “3d” and “2d”

and this lands beautifully between both camps

edited to point out that 2d and 3d are mostly marketing terms

[sturdy dagger]

Thankfully you can check the keys and see what specific key it is.

Otherwise I'd have to get the translator out. (Or try every locked door)

[tawny forge]

Is this core already the best way to play Saturn games without a Saturn console?

[burnt matrix]

Yes

[sturdy dagger]

Question for all my Saturn gamers.

Should I have anything selected for the Cartridge option? Like rom/dram/backup/none

[polar mountain]

I may be wrong but I think the games will prompt you if its required

[burnt matrix]

I think there are incompatibilities with some options but I’ve left mine on the 4mb cart for months and haven’t had issues.

By incompatibilities I mean like original hardware issues with some games.

[sturdy dagger]

Honestly I'm so inexperienced with the Saturn.

[sturdy dagger]

Cheers boss. Thank you.

[polar mountain]

The Saturn is a cool console. It's full of surprises. I just discovered the secret smooth 60 frames option in the japanese version of Outrun. Thanks to the game challenge thread.

It's so smoooth!!

[ripe valley]

I'm leaving it on the 4MB DRAM as default.

And change it to the option for the games asking for something else.

[topaz mica]

There is an interesting blog post on that topic, think it was linked here at some point. Something about using the wrong sized cart for some games having an adverse effect but I can't find it.

[trim nimbus]

And this is now my canonical mental picture of Robby

[kind bough]

https://www.satakore.com/cartridge.php

[vocal comet]

Try getting killed by plant 42 when you get there, it squeezes Chris/Jill in half on the JP saturn version

[sturdy dagger]

Haha, will do!

[thorn pagoda]

gotta take care with your ink ribbons iirc - saturn version has the least ribbons of any version

[pearl harbor]

Whoa whoa. Making Robby feel important around here is strictly forbidden!

[high bramble]

Yeah, he definitely does not need any assistance with that.

[burnt matrix]

Isn’t the Saturn version a slightly enhanced port of the PS1 original?

[sturdy dagger]

It's a weird one

If we compare it to the first release of Resident Evil on the PS1. It has slightly more content I believe. It has a battle mode and a suprise towards the end of the game. Unfortunately, you can notice the downgrade in visuals and audio (not bgm) compared to the PS1

[burnt matrix]

I thought the Saturn version had slightly higher poly models

[sturdy dagger]

It might do? I just feel like the PS1 just had better clarity with the visuals aswell as the sounds.

[burnt matrix]

I also could be full of shit lol. It’s what I thought I read but I never played the Saturn version to compare.

[mighty zephyr]

The Saturn version actually has higher quality backgrounds than the ps1 version

[thorn pagoda]

the saturn version definitely has different models for the player character and enemies etc

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, it's more different than it is "worse" in my opinion.

[sturdy dagger]

Oh that is a suprise.

[mighty zephyr]

Slightly higher quality but still 😁

[vocal comet]

Actually the bgms sound slightly different too. Listen to the track when the first zombie attacks you and Barry in game, and you’ll hear it. And note that the ost uploads on youtube are just the psx ost with the battle mode music added in, so you’re gonna have to check in-game

[sturdy dagger]

Ahh I didn't know there was that many technical differences between the Saturn and PSX port. I only knew about the content differences. So it is a welcome suprise.

That is pretty cool.

[sturdy dagger]

Just about to go outside (found the 4 medallions) with 15 ink ribbons to spare.

[somber jacinth]

Been playing Shienryu S-TV via RT4K with Pramod's ST-V profile and it looks absolutely stunning.
My crappy photo can't do it justice.

[muted cradle]

What is that "ST-V" profile?

[burnt matrix]

Possibly a video preset, is my guess

[visual grove]

But the st-v trash can cabinets had one of the worst wells gardner monitors so if it looks stunning they’ve done goofed

[tribal burrow]

Using the Tink’s rotation or did roTATE get added to the core recently?

[muted cradle]

Aah, a Reteotink preset. Makes sense, I guess

[somber jacinth]

Using the tink. I'm not sure if rotate has been added to the core. I don't think so. Not yet anyway

[somber jacinth]

Well idk about that..plus it's all dependent on setups and of course it's also subjective

[visual grove]

Yeah U2000 chassis didn’t make a great picture compared to its contemporaries

Early poly stuff probably was helped by it like the only popular game in this market, Die Hard

and to a lesser extent Remix though I personally never saw a Remix in the wild only Die Hard

Kind of surprised the cabinets weren’t more popular since they must’ve been cheap to make and buy but arcades were on the way out in the US so probably why

It’s a Rubbermaid trash can and a low grade WG monitor 😅

[somber jacinth]

I was completely out of arcade gaming at this time so I never played any of them. There were very few arcades left in my part of the UK at that time. Plus I was travelling a lot at that time too.

[sturdy dagger]

I don't remember arcades as a child (UK). I think they were more prominent in seaside towns?

So I missed all the arcade craze.

[somber jacinth]

Yeh I'm probably older by the sound of it, my local town had one arcade mostly jamma cabs and the kind of place that as a young kid you ran the risk of getting robbed.
Most good arcade memories are from Holiday/seaside resorts.
Such as 87 ISH in Cornwall - sit in Outrun, Afterburner and Space Harrier.

[sturdy dagger]

I have noticed there's a few "retro specialist bars" though. Which is pretty cool.

[sturdy dagger]

Yeah you are.

I just haven't really came across any bar seaside towns, in amusements.

[somber jacinth]

Yeh there is one actually close to me never been in yet. Lol
Also I keep on planning to visit the various Arcade Club branches particularly Bury and Leeds. But I never seem to make the time. Maybe this summer.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah we got a few barcades in Dallas, they’re cool

Shit, maybe I go to one for my birthday

[sturdy dagger]

I've been to a few and they are decent. I normally keep back a token as a souvenir.

[somber jacinth]

ArcadeClubs are supposed to be great. They the pay to get in then free play model

[burnt matrix]

They suck on the weekends when all the kids are there

[somber jacinth]

Is there places like this in the states too

https://www.arcadeclub.co.uk/

[burnt matrix]

I’m unfortunately the type of person who will give up my game immediately if a kid wants to play it lol

[burnt matrix]

As far as I know that’s the prevailing type of “barcade” here. Pay for unlimited play.

[warped saddle]

the actual "barcades" are not pay for unlimited

maybe other people are doing it that way and naming themselves in a way to not get sued tho

[burnt matrix]

Oh nevermind, then I don’t know the difference

[warped saddle]

I dunno about the locations outside of NYC, but the original "Barcades" here tend to be more pinball focused. I mean, they have some classic arcade stuff too but they still manage to stuff a buttload of pins in

[burnt matrix]

Oh it’s the an actual name of a chain

[warped saddle]

and obligatory Pacman battle royale cab

[burnt matrix]

I meant it as literally an arcade with a bar

[warped saddle]

unlimited play+bar seems like a weird move. you can probably milk more money out of people not doing that

[thorn pagoda]

the ones i've been to had like a tokens system

the tokens were pretty cheap, i think its mainly just a way to keep people from hogging machines all night

[visual grove]

We have both here. My favorite in the area is called “freeplay” (there’s one in Worcester and Providence) You pay $12 for unlimited

So obviously they make all their money selling drinks

[frail token]

That's cool but how's the game going?

[sturdy dagger]

Hey it's going absolutely fine

Now I think I encountered one bug

I picked up a note and I just tried to get out of it fast. The top part of the screen showed a bit of static. Like a bar of static.

It just appeared and went

But everything is fine so far

(I am using the dual ram unstable build with the normal main mister)

I also like the Saturns way of implementing transparency.

I think it's quite quirky

[prisma wraith]

An update on that wheel situation, @inner token:

The latest test build from april has the wheel mode properly working for me. 3D pad still missing the gas/brakes but otherwise has all other buttons and the wheel working also.

Still cannot get the saturn light gun to work with SNAC though, tried two different older SNAC variants I have, v1 & v3 from misteraddons. Didn't work with either. I'll try my saturn controller with SNAC next when I have time to see if that works, at least.

[sturdy dagger]

Has also happened when I went through a door.

[floral saddle]

Resolution change?

[sturdy dagger]

Nah, there hasn't been any Resolution changes reported by my TV. Its only happened on 1 door and 1 file. It's also very brief and fast.

But so far it's been amazing

[vocal comet]

Where in the game are you at?

(Tracking the progress :p )

[zenith ginkgo]

Quick Saturn core question. I booted up Sakura Wars 1 and the option to save is greyed out. I haven't touched the Saturn core in awhile, do I need to set up a virtual memory card in the core in order for games to save?

[wise brook]

nah

so, have you updated everything?

cause the moment you get to a save point in a game, making a profile in an rpg for example, you should be able to commit the save to the sd card

or just turn on auto saving once you boot a game

[zenith ginkgo]

Did a full update_all. Saving in game is still greyed out. I must have some setting off I assume

[wise brook]

including autosave

[zenith ginkgo]

Yup, autosave is on

[wise brook]

then your fine?

you don’t have anything to save until you get about 30mins in

[zenith ginkgo]

I worked my way back to the first save screen, and its still greyed out

I am on the latest unstable saturn core, so maybe thats the culprit?

[wise brook]

so you’ve made a save in one of the 3 save slots, and the mister osd didn’t show saving for a second?

[pearl harbor]

Yes. Just save in the game itself first. Then it should show up in the core OSD.

[zenith ginkgo]

Thats the issue, it won't let me save in game. The save screen has 'save' greyed out, like its wanting a memory card plugged into the system

[wise brook]

wel it’s not a core stable/unstable issue

[zenith ginkgo]

Yea, thats what I am figuring. It worked fine on an older core

[pearl harbor]

Have you tried saving in a different game?

[zenith ginkgo]

Yea, I've had no problems in other games on this build

[wise brook]

the screen with the Status, Save & Resume option?

hmm might want to ask the Shiro! discord they would know more intimately about the game

[zenith ginkgo]

Thanks. I will give them a holler and see if someone has come across that issue before

[sturdy dagger]

Just beat Yawn part 2. (About 5 mins after beating Plant 42, so I'm back in the mansion)

[vocal comet]

boom, You've basically caught up with where I am on Director's Cut's arrange mode

Are you doing Jill's campaign or Chris'?

[sturdy dagger]

Jill

(but it's slightly easier too as I'm playing the Japanese version of the game)

[vocal comet]

Oh right, I forgot the JP version is easier than the EU/US versions

More ink ribbons etc?

[sturdy dagger]

Yeah, I think? I'm getting 3 per pickup, and I have around 17 now I think? (Saved around 4 or 5 times)

I think there should be less zombies (I do know this is a thing with Resident Evil 2 and Biohazard 2)

And maybe health of zombies too?

I'm getting the standard 15 rounds of handgun ammo aswell as 7 shotgun shells for the ammo pickups

[vocal comet]

maaaybe. I'm not sure about the zombie count (as far as I remember there is no difference between the EU version and the JP version I play nowadays, but then again, it's been very long since i played the EU version), but it's very likely they could have changed the health of the zombies

From what I know the US version doesn't have auto aim

Can't remember if EU has it or not

[sturdy dagger]

https://youtu.be/TQGlB1LITGA

At around the 17min mark. He talks about the Dreamcast port of Resident Evil 2. He then goes to talk about how the Japanese versions are easier and shows a segment where there's less zombies compared to US/PAL. (Although, it is about Resident Evil 2)

[sturdy dagger]

I don't remember my old PS1 version of the game having auto aim.

[burnt matrix]

I have all the RE games on GameCube for some reason lol

[vocal comet]

Indeed! Yeah I was thinking about RE1, but I didn't know about the number of zombies being increased for the overseas releases of RE2. Interesting!

[vocal comet]

They're good ports and come on cool small discs, what's there not to love?

[burnt matrix]

That was my thought process too, but like, why do I have this lol

[vocal comet]

hahaha

having all of the classic REs plus RE4 on one system is pretty neat though

(minus OG RE1)

[sturdy dagger]

Bar the PC. I think they are the best ports on console.

(can't really talk about OG1, but Remake is good)

[burnt matrix]

I just got into buying cube games for a few years and couldn’t pass those up

And now I have flippydrive

And those games remain untouched now lol

[tidal raptor]

I went out of my way to get black label copies of all the REs on PS1 and now...mostly play on xstation, MiSTer or the PC versions lol

They look nice on the shelf at least I guess

[marble laurel]

@burnt matrix

[warped saddle]

does that even work fully on the core?

[marble laurel]

It coins, we can go in game, we can honk but it seems to miss analog input to brake and accelerate
I opened a ticket for it

sound works also

[wise brook]

ahh the triggers

[warped saddle]

it uses the same mame input map as some other safari game

    PORT_BIT( 0x01, IP_ACTIVE_LOW, IPT_BUTTON3 ) PORT_NAME("Winch")```

not sure it is analog

[marble laurel]

for input

[warped saddle]

although mame may just have it wrong. if I didn't generate an mra from it it means it isn't in the software list so it's probably jacked up in mame anyways

[marble laurel]

sw1 sw2 and sw3 mapped to button

[marble laurel]

there is this commentary also in Mame
GAME( 1997, wwshin, stvbios, stv, wasafari, stv_state, init_stv, ROT0, "Sega", "Waku Waku Shinkansen (J 971031 V0.002)", MACHINE_NOT_WORKING | MACHINE_NO_SOUND | MACHINE_IMPERFECT_GRAPHICS ) // needs inputs

[warped saddle]

yeah, I dunno why they attached wasafari input init to it

a crank is like a throttle I guess

[wise brook]

so can you control it via snac?

[warped saddle]

unlikely

[wise brook]

i could test that

ah

[warped saddle]

hmm, darn. not in mednafen either

[marble laurel]

What is the screen of input of Safari to see if it is different ?

[warped saddle]

it is completely different. two switches and 'winch' that is 'off' so probably also a switch

[dense sundial]

he made port comparisons of RE1 later and I don't recall anything about thinning out zombies for japanese market

[thorn pagoda]

i think in RE1 the difficulty differences come from enemy HP and ammo/ribbon quantities mainly

its generally too cramped to add additional enemies anyway

[marble laurel]

It is huge for Safari 😅

For waku waku shinkansen it is doable I think

[sturdy dagger]

Woah

Something strange happened

I was expecting to fight the Helicopter Tyrant with the timer.

Didn't happen. I compared footage to someone's longplay and they had the bossfight

Bit anti climatic

But yeah, for that game compatibility list. Whoever updates it. You can say Biohazard has been completed (well Jill playthrough of course)

Was a lot of fun

I forgot how bad the voice lines were.

Also the mansion didn't blow up and I had a post credit tyrant scene

[sturdy dagger]

Ahh. I forgot to save barry, seems that's the reason why my ending was slightly different

Oh well

It's been a very long time since i played and completed Resident Evil 1

[dense sundial]

You didn't trust Barry

||you monster||

jk it happens

I always do the runs with all MO disks inserted so I don't even remember what happens if you don't rescue ChrisJill

[burnt matrix]

THANK YOU

[burnt matrix]

All I need in life, I will honk and smile

[warped saddle]

HONK

[exotic elk]

HEY how do you have a gradient

[inner token]

he's on fire

[burnt matrix]

what is going on

I don’t know what’s wrong with my name, are you seeing that too

[celest lake]

you have ascended

(all the mods have gradients now)

Too bad that you can’t use custom images for the server tag. I would roll with a MisterKun proudly

[topaz mica]

[burnt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-i-love-gold-goldmember-gif-19735343

I’m that guy now

Lmao

I’m a discord plebe, half the shit time happens I’m like “oh okay”

[vocal comet]

Hey, at least you got his polaroid pic with his wife and two daughters!

Or was it one daughter?

[sturdy dagger]

I can't remember myself and I only just beat the game a few hours ago haha.

[vocal comet]

Haha fair enough 😂

[dense sundial]

it's daughters plural

[exotic elk]

yes you wouldn't say e.g. two daughter

or one daughters

[sturdy dagger]

I think what Peter meant was did the photo include one daughter or 2 of them.

And based on the in game photo. It's 2

[exotic elk]

the lowresness makes it creepy

the eyes have no whites

[dense sundial]

I wonder which one said the iconic line ||GO JUMP ON A DILDO BOSS||

[patent ingot]

Die Hard was the main game used for those cabs. Shienryu was most likely connected to an Astro and many Japanese candy cabs at the time.

[visual grove]

Fair point, not sure what an STV tink profile would be still given that means it would have been MS8s, MS9s, 2931, etc

(insert all other contemporary candy cabinet monitors)

[patent ingot]

Maybe that profile had settings for rotate? Not sure, I'm curious to try.

I havent tried Tink4k rotate function yet. Maybe that profile integrates all that and some?

[winter phoenix]

Sorry to anyone looking forward to homebrew contest results this weekend https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/05/09/segaxtreme-homebrew-competition-results-delayed-to-may-17/

[celest lake]

Have we heard from SRG at all? Like has zet spoken to them? I only ask because he’s been quiet and lives in Not One Of The Best Places In The World™

[warped saddle]

he responded to a github issue yesterday, he's fine

[sturdy dagger]

@mortal mist Sorry for the ping but I saw that in regards to adding information to the game testing sheet, we should contact you.

A few days ago I did a full playthrough of Biohazard 1. (Well just Jill) and I completed it. If you wanted to update the sheet, then your more than welcome 🙂

I did get 1 bug though. Out of all the doors and files I've picked up and went through. 3 or 4 times I had a small static horizontal bar on the top of the screen. It was very brief. I was using the dual ram Saturn unstable core with the normal main mister.

[ancient surge]

You sure that isn't just junk data that is meant to be obscured by overscan?

Just want to double check since sometimes glitches like that are intentional.

[celest lake]

thanks, I should have checked there first

[mortal mist]

Please send a request for access to the sheet, you will be able to add your test results. As for the error you saw in my opinion it is an overscan area and you can't see it on the crt. You can use the horizontal crop option in that case.

if it happens so rarely, it will be hard to reproduce it

[ripe valley]

He is fine, working quietly.

[sturdy dagger]

You know what I think your correct with the overscan so I won't report the bug.

When I get some spare time il request access to the sheet.

Yeah it happened very rarely. With the amount of files and doors I went through, it was a total of 4 or 5 times I saw it.

[balmy venture]

“SRG”?

[left hollow]

Saturn core developer

[wise brook]

that’s grim, not knowing who makes the cores you play

that’s one of the big differences between this scene and the “retroarch community”

[subtle tusk]

Saturn Rcore Gdeveloper

[visual grove]

And snes, segacd, Battletoads, uh random other contributions. Also sadly 3DO in the future 😉

[balmy venture]

I got in like a month ago.

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/made-by-clown-gif-4428586269206149108

[winter phoenix]

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/05/10/impressive-wip-homebrew-gets-first-update-since-2021/

[rich violet]

Is that the guy that made Cube Cat?

[winter phoenix]

Nope, that's 7shades

This is a different dev and a different game

[rich violet]

I noticed that Cube Cat wasn't in the Saturn homebrew contest this year

Ah, 7shades made the Seniriu Terrain Demo

[winter phoenix]

he helped with it, yeah. a lot of us were surprised there was no CubeCat this year

Hopefully he's cooking something good

[muted cradle]

@warped saddle, is it possible to add hiscore saving to both trap15 STGs?

[warped saddle]

oh, yeah.

[winter phoenix]

Happy 30th anniversary in North America, Sega Saturn! The community that's played and loved the Saturn for three decades is an enduring symbol of the console's success:

https://youtu.be/KX_dMvc1URo

[tacit viper]

Saturn found success in death

[muted cradle]

I see a lot of success for the Saturn in Japan. It was a manager in the US who was so reluctant in accepting it that it never had a chance to be widely accepted in the west.

estimated number of games released:

• Nintendo Switch: ~6,000 - 10,000+ titles
• PlayStation 2 (PS2): ~4,000 - 10,000+ titles
• PlayStation (PS1): ~4,000 - 8,000+ titles
• Nintendo DS: ~3,000 - 4,000+ titles
• PlayStation 3 (PS3): ~2,000 - 3,000+ titles
• Xbox 360: ~2,000 - 3,000+ titles
• PlayStation 4 (PS4): ~2,000 - 3,000+ titles
• Xbox One: ~1,500 - 2,000+ titles
• Nintendo 3DS: ~1,500 - 2,000+ titles
• Wii: ~1,500 - 2,000+ titles
• Game Boy Advance (GBA): ~1,000 - 1,500+ titles
• PlayStation Vita (PS Vita): ~1,000 - 1,500+ titles
• Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) / Famicom: ~1,000 - 1,500+ titles
• Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) / Super Famicom: ~1,000 - 1,500+ titles
• Game Boy (Original & Color): ~1,000 - 1,200+ titles
• Sega Genesis / Mega Drive: ~800 - 1,000+ titles
• Sega Saturn: ~700 - 1,000+ titles
• Xbox (Original): ~700 - 800+ titles
• Dreamcast: ~600 - 700+ titles
• Nintendo GameCube: ~600 - 700+ titles
• PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16: ~600 - 700+ titles
• Atari 2600: ~500 - 600+ titles
• Nintendo 64 (N64): ~350 - 400 titles
• Sega Master System: ~300 - 400+ titles
• Intellivision: ~120 - 150 titles
• ColecoVision: ~140 - 150 titles
• Magnavox Odyssey 2: ~100 - 120 titles
• Atari 5200: ~100 - 150 titles
• Atari 7800: ~60 - 70 titles
• Fairchild Channel F: ~20+ titles

The Saturn was really close to the Genesis in the number of released games and with more trust from the USA would easily have trumped that.

[hearty marten]

Estimated number of GBA borders: 10,001

[ancient surge]

Wii U so trash that it doesn't even chart.

[tall radish]

and I somehow own 2... 👀

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/scott-the-woz-scott-wozniak-wii-wii-play-gif-19348750

[frail token]

Wii U is a great system just because you can hack it and have all the games

[next bronze]

I wish the list had Game.com and RCA Studio 2 just so I can laugh and the number of games they have.

[upper dust]

And the Gizmondo, and the Tapwave Zodiac

[exotic elk]

good luck finding a Wii-U to buy though

[acoustic sable]

Still easy in UK and US at least, tend to be £$50-90 for a working set

[wise brook]

can’t do 240p tho 😞

[frail token]

The games are widescreen why would you wanna

[wise brook]

i want options

360 let you play things more or less how you wanted

[visual grove]

Yeah I tossed my Wii to charity thinking it was redundant

[wise brook]

ps3 was a bit more locked into widescreen

[visual grove]

Hadn’t used either in quite a while and didn’t realize there was no way to get native 240p from a wiiU

[frail token]

Yeah I guess if you wanna play Wii or Gamecube games on a CRT

[topaz mica]

I found a Wii, Wii-U and a 2nd gen PS3 in the trash a few years ago. Guess which one I didn't take? haha

[hallow fossil]

Wii U is worth owning if only for the HD remasters of Wind Waker and Twilight Princess

[burnt matrix]

I think the Wii U is pretty cool. Wouldn’t recommend anyone to buy one but I enjoyed the Nintendo games on it

[wise brook]

Despite my WiiU being a Zelda model I never once beat Wind Waker HD

didn’t like it

[viral pebble]

i have a modded Wii U and the only downside is how clunky the OS is. It takes like 5 minutes to launch the OS and select a game

The Switch by comparison is amazing. Takes like 5 seconds to open a game

But the Wii U is worth modding if you want to play the Wii and GC libraries

[frail heath]

The UI sucks, but the even bigger issue is that the gamepad has a battery life of about 2 hours and atleast both that i've owned seems to suck battery even when its in idle / turned off so you have to have a charger close by 24/7

[viral pebble]

It's horrible. My battery lasts like 30 mins to an hour and it has to constantly be plugged in

[frail heath]

The pro controller has insane battery life on the other hand instead which is kinda ironic

[viral pebble]

It's pretty cool to mod the Wii U, but what isn't talked about is that it's a nightmare getting everything set up properly. It takes so much research and so many hours to get everything right

[thorn pagoda]

you can get bigger batteries for the wiiU gamepad iirc

[frail heath]

Probably a good thing to do if you're invested into the system for sure

[thorn pagoda]

like nintendo cheaped out at the last second, the bay can take a much larger battery

[wise brook]

so what we playing

[frail heath]

I'm gonna play Burning Rangers with my new 3D controller that I bought because of this chat, never used one before so I hope its worth the money

[wise brook]

got a snac adapter and voltage changer?

[thorn pagoda]

i don't think i've ever finished a saturn game ... huh

[wise brook]

speaking of

[frail heath]

Ye I have both a SNAX64 and an Adapt, not sure if the 3D controller works with the adapt tho

[tall radish]

And it's also got some Taiko no Tatsujin games

[wise brook]

got a nicer level shifter

[wise brook]

it should with snax and the necessary cable

[frail heath]

Ye I recently bought the cable so I believe its the "improved" version whatever that means

[thorn pagoda]

those are just much more reliable for lightguns afaik

[frail heath]

Fair enough, I just use a Guncon 1 with the Adapt for my light gun usage. A bit cheaper than buying a lightgun for every platform and also reduces the space necessity

[burnt matrix]

Every time I boot up the Saturn core it’s as if my mind requires me to do a lap in Sega Rally first lol

[kind bough]

Game over yeah!!

[hearty marten]

No games worth buying that aren’t on the switch?

[hearty marten]

The greatest sounding failure ever

[hallow fossil]

There are some great games on the Wii U that didn't get ported to the Switch

[hearty marten]

Prove it by listing them all

(So I can buy them)

[hallow fossil]

The hardware and games are for the most part really cheap right now, but I imagine in ten years time they will be way more expensive as people go back and revisit it

Twilight Princess and Wind Waker remastered

[hearty marten]

As is always the way 😔

[hallow fossil]

Splatoon

[hearty marten]

Wait until there’s a YouTuber that does something about Wii U hidden gems

[hallow fossil]

Whatever the 3D Mario was, Galaxy?

[high bramble]

I still think it's funny that the first time I ever played Breath of the Wild was the Wii U version.
It wasn't bad.

[hallow fossil]

Zombie U was cool

[hearty marten]

None on Wii U, right?

[humble epoch]

I enjoy the NES Remix games still.

[hearty marten]

3D LandWorld that came out on switch

[hallow fossil]

I played BOTW on Wii U, it played great

Quite a lot did wind up getting ported over but there are still great games on there that didn't

[hearty marten]

Zombie U, Splatoon and the Zeldas are the games I know of

Also probably a Yoshi game

[hallow fossil]

Kirby as well?

[hearty marten]

Possibly

[high bramble]

The Rainbow Curse one?

[humble epoch]

Yeah, that was a solid game

Game and Wario

[hearty marten]

Maybe Ninty will rerelease them at the end of the Switch 2 lifecycle

[high bramble]

I think there's a hint that Rainbow Curse will either be ported or remastered for the Switch (2), but as of right now it's still tied to the Wii U.

[humble epoch]

I know this was supposed to be good games, but I am surprised Color Splash never got brought over to Switch

[hallow fossil]

The fact that they showed off the GC version of Wind Waker in their announcement of the Switch 2 was baffling and suggests there are no plans right now to rerelease the remastered version

[hearty marten]

I wish the Zeldas made it over

They were rumoured to as well 😔

[small ore]

Poor Devils Third, no one remembers that Masterpiece

[hearty marten]

https://www.nintendolife.com/guides/potential-switch-port-round-up-the-wii-u-games-that-havent-come-to-switch

Looks like we covered most of them

[humble epoch]

Forgot about Wooly World.

[hearty marten]

Speak for yourself 😏

I only remember because of the cute amiibo

[burnt matrix]

• Kirby and the Rainbow Curse
• Yoshi's Wooly World (if you don’t want to play on 3DS)
• Twilight Princess HD
• Wind Waker HD

I could list more but I think those are the only safe bets

And games that weren’t superseded by an improved sequel

Like Mario Maker and Splatoon

Oh yeah Wind Waker HD

[hearty marten]

Improved sequel isn’t a thing

I mean, it is, but they’re never replacements

It saddens me that Splatoon 2 can be kinda dead now Splatoon 3 is out, for example

[burnt matrix]

Personally I’d never play the original Splatoon again

[hearty marten]

(Those games should always just copy over the old maps)

[burnt matrix]

Or the original Mario Maker

Well the 3DS Mario Maker I would because it included a ton of user maps due to lack of online

[drowsy hull]

excuse me, this is sega saturn

[hearty marten]

I’ll remember that in 2065 when you’re playing it on the MiST4r

[burnt matrix]

Oh you’re right

We’re off topic again

[hearty marten]

Yeah, damn mods

[high bramble]

Wait... I thought this was Nintendo Saturn.

[hearty marten]

I got confused with Mario galaxy

Sonic galaxy?

[high bramble]

Mario Into Dreams

Mario Dragoon

[hallow fossil]

Splatoon is definitely worth getting for the single player campaign that as far as I am aware want ported over

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, Splatoon 1 had an amazing final boss fight. And no, it was never ported over.

Anyway, I've said it before, but Yoshi's Woolly World alone is worth keeping a Wii U on hand. The 3DS version just isn't as good.

[frail token]

3D World

[frail token]

Land was 3DS

[hearty marten]

I couldn’t remember. One of them 😅

[frail token]

They're all really good you should play them

The New ones are the trash ones

[hearty marten]

I liked the remake. Bowser’s fury was the highlight though

Rerelease*

[frail token]

Yep

I wish they'd port Land and Metroid 2 remake

[burnt matrix]

I wish people did romhacks of Sonic World to make new levels.

Almost all the basics of a 3d platformer engine are there!

[exotic elk]

what's Sonic World

[lofty spire]

Sonic World is the 3d Sonic section in Sonic Jam

[drowsy hull]

the one that created hope for a future that never came

[exotic elk]

aha

is that what came of the different sonic 3d efforts early on

[burnt matrix]

Dunno, it’s genuinely really cool though.

[hearty marten]

https://youtu.be/l_Uo0VJihCU

[drowsy hull]

In my head canon it is more of a we cannot sell ports of the old games, dammit

[exotic elk]

looking at the footage, it seems the downfall of that engine would be that it lacks depth, it's all mainly on a big plane

whereas 2d sonic makes use of height a lot

[hearty marten]

You’re allowed two axes, that’s all

Pick two

[burnt matrix]

I’m ok with that.

[exotic elk]

yeah

[hearty marten]

To be fair, jumping and positioning is pretty awful on a lot of early 3D platformers

The best you can hope for is decent shadows

[exotic elk]

I'm sure the Saturn could do better, but complexity becomes an issue once you can see "deep" onto multiple layers of platforms

I guess sonic adventure did it right

it's not like the old games and more like an obstacle course in "real" environments

[hearty marten]

Sonic adventure did a huge amount right

Especially the music 😎

The story was pretty great too

The worst thing- “Dr Eggman”

[exotic elk]

they did well to bring in elements of the cartoon character dynamics

[subtle tusk]

I thought Sonic World was built on the same engine as NiGHTs, and it was Yuji Naka who nixed the idea of SoA using the engine to make a Sonic game.

[exotic elk]

what's wrong with egg man

[hearty marten]

He’s Robotnik in the west

Well, he was

[subtle tusk]

"Dr. Robotnik" is an objectively better name than "Eggman" and I will die on that hill.

[hearty marten]

Eggman was closer to the original Japanese name iirc

But it wasn’t as cool

[exotic elk]

what if he was Robert Nicholas Eggman

[hearty marten]

And the enemies were called badniks

[subtle tusk]

Well I guess he's officially Dr. "Eggman" Robotnik.

[hearty marten]

That’s how they kept us all happy 😅

[subtle tusk]

Since his grandfather was canonically Gerald Robotnik.

[exotic elk]

gerald

[hearty marten]

Best 3 Saturn games - go!

[subtle tusk]

I'm still surprised they used the Robotnik name in the movies.

[hearty marten]

I’ve only seen the first. It was surprisingly good

Especially after at first

[subtle tusk]

They're all better than they have any right to be, even the first one.

[hearty marten]

I liked the Mario movie too though

[subtle tusk]

The Mario movie was also better than it should have been.

Especially considering Crisp Rat as Mario.

[hearty marten]

Bonk movie next

[subtle tusk]

It wouldn't surprise me. They're gonna make movies of everything now that TLOU and Sonic and Mario have proven there's a market.

[exotic elk]

qbert

[subtle tusk]

We'll see if OutRun is any good.

[hearty marten]

I saw Until Dawn the other day. It was… as bad as I expected

[subtle tusk]

Ah I was right

There's a hidden "play as Sonic" mode in Christmas NiGHTS. It is... Not very good.

[hearty marten]

Maybe one day a really late version of xtreme will be out in the wild

(I know there are some things out there, but nothing very late afaik)

[wise brook]

i’m glad sonic got sidelined so the team could go off and do other things, Ristar included

Saturn is bursting with IP that came into being on that platform

every nintendrone who can’t shut up about DKC or Yoshi’s Island should be made to play Clockwork Knight & Astal

[high bramble]

There needs to be a Gunstar Heroes movie.

Maybe even a Metal Slug movie, complete with plenty of rawkit lawnchas.

[exotic elk]

can jack black be the hostages

[upper dust]

No, but he'll say "Rawkit Lawncha!"
...
then only mild chuckles...
Then he'll be some schmo working at a box factory.

[small ore]

Thanks I hate it

[frail token]

You're welcome

[clear condor]

Thank you!

[viral pebble]

I love it!

[frail token]

The Arnold toupee is just

[neon python]

Old Stallone is giving me the heebie jeebies

Though it might be because I have watched 41 Stallone movies since March

[clear condor]

Let's go uh, Zooey Deschanel as Fio and Margot Robbie as Eri

[frail token]

It did not do so well with Margot Robbie

[clear condor]

Zooey felt like a shoe-in, so I'm glad that worked. Emily Blunt might be better for Eri - in fact, it kind of weirdly looks like it decided to throw Emily Blunt in there instead lol

man though, we've come a long way from Will Smith eating spaghetti, haven't we

[frail token]

They have all new Will Smith eating spaghetti

[exotic elk]

Sly's gun sight is something unique

[frail token]

So are the guns in Metal Slug!

[exotic elk]

fair enough!

[copper furnace]

https://segaxtreme.net/resources/dungeons-dragons-tower-of-doom-english-patch.426/

[deft verge]

is that a saturn port of the arcade game?

[burnt matrix]

Yes

So this translation is awesome but if you have a MiSTer you already have access to the arcade game in English.

[deft verge]

that was what i was wondering about, thanks for confirming

might still have a look out of curiosity

[ripe valley]

I need to see with the translator, there are some grammar errors and a typo during my gameplay.

There is a message inside the game where it should say : "you have lost your boost of speed", instead we have "you have lost your boots of speed".

Otherwise, the translation is interesting and should help people playing that game.

[wise brook]

huh, boots of speed sounds like an actual dnd item

[ripe valley]

Okay, it's inside the lore, so no typo.

And the grammar errors are just plain "Ye olde" English.

[winter phoenix]

I just posted my story on that, I wrote it last night!

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/05/13/english-patch-for-dd-tower-of-doom-is-out-now/

The script was taken directly out of the officially localized arcade game, so it isn't a new translation

You absolutely could just play the arcade one on MiSter, but then you wouldn't be playing Saturn as Segata Sanshiro intended, so...

[ripe valley]

https://bsky.app/profile/cnhyv.bsky.social/post/3loywdeuufc2r

Paul Douglas (@cnhyv.bsky.social)

We used the same Saturn devkits at Core. One per team. Testers had the hardware address checker.
Earlier kits were the Sofia boxes from Japan. We had a protoype the size of a beer fridge with only one SH2. Alas, someone fried the mainboard by introducing it to 240V. It probably ended up in a skip.

Andrew Borman (@borman.bsky.social)
Some of the Sega Ssturn equipment used for the never-released version of Descent from the Volition donation to The Strong.

Bluesky · May 12, 2025, 9:33 PM

Some Saturn devkits.

[subtle tusk]

I can report that the Sega Film Tools tutorial worked and you can make custom Saturn video disks. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2sBPXbe18-k

The tutorial is here https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2024/07/05/create-your-own-saturn-video-discs-tools-and-tutorial/

[winter phoenix]

excellent usage of the tools

[thorn pagoda]

how good is the core as a standin for a dev kit these days

[rich violet]

All the homebrew I've tried works

[tawny forge]

Wait, movie core?

[quick sorrel]

Yes, what movie core?

[winter phoenix]

you turn your saturn core into a movie core

through the magic of homebrew

[balmy venture]

Wonder how it is vs VCD?

[quick sorrel]

Playing ripped kung fu VCDs would be neat

[ancient fractal]

MPEG1 is significantly better than Cinepak at the same bitrate

Here's a pretty good comparison https://colinmckellar.com/2024/01/11/video-encoder-comparison/

(VMAF score https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Multimethod_Assessment_Fusion on the y-axis, size on the x-axis)

[subtle tusk]

The CD-i core will be the best movie core when they add support for the mpeg card.

[inner kayak]

looks like Brittney and Andrea from What's Good Games 😄

[tawdry lion]

I kind of wonder how companies like the ones who made the specialized codecs for the Nintendo DS kept doing business now that everything uses standardized and open codecs mostly, or internalizes theirs.

In October 2011, Mobiclip[6] was bought by Nintendo and is now a subsidiary of the latter. Since then it is now known as "Nintendo European Research & Development" or "NERD".

Oh...

[burnt matrix]

Haha wadda buncha NERDs

[ripe valley]

I hope you like the acronym.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah it’s very clever

[ripe valley]

I know almost everyone there since years, some long before integrating NERD.

[burnt matrix]

Dude that’s awesome!

[ripe valley]

Some time ago they recruited emulation experts and security researchers.

[high bramble]

He's a NERD by association!
Git'em!

[humble epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/nerds-mad-football-rage-gif-16650450

[rich violet]

A disappointing looking abomination

https://www.gulikit.com/productinfo/1443193.html

[wraith echo]

Symmetrical joystick layout and Saturn-style d-pad is actually what I've been looking for...

[celest lake]

4 face buttons

https://tenor.com/30b0.gif

[sturdy dagger]

Jesus Christ

I really liked using my M30 for the Saturn core.

At some point il test and hopefully complete a few more games. So I can update the compatibility test sheet.

[high bramble]

4 face buttons. I mean, I get it. It's obviously a Switch controller after all. But still...

[burnt matrix]

Dual shoulder buttons too so it’s extra chunky up top

[high bramble]

It's a DualChonk

[burnt matrix]

Hey look, Sony hired the controller designers from the first Xbox

[celest lake]

pixar mom controller

[dry hinge]

Thick thighs save lives

[winter phoenix]

gimme that chonk

[slate karma]

They've almost got it! So close!

[green jacinth]

could have swore i skipped past a madlittlepixel vid proclaiming this as the best controller ever, at least going by thumbnail

[soft goblet]

Damn.. I'm amazed SX is still around, I used to be active there like 25 years ago.. likely more actually, since the forum software was replaced at some point. I think I was even a mod for a while or something.

[hearty marten]

I sense a new release coming soon

[winter phoenix]

SX will never die

When the world ends, the cockroaches will post on SX

[noble escarp]

Oh, I've posted my usb2saturn adapter over at SX. If anyone is feeling adventurous to try it out. I'm also planning to release the single 10p multitap adapter. Need to try it on the saturn core with snac.

[gloomy hedge]

(live now)

[winter phoenix]

Competition results livestream is starting now https://www.twitch.tv/emeraldnovagames

[winter phoenix]

The results are in, and the winners of this year's SegaXtreme Saturn homebrew contest are racer Micro Motor Mayhem, the English translation of Mobile Suit Gundam and new software development kit Saturn Ring Library! Get the details here:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/05/17/motor-mayhem-gundam-ring-library-win-segaxtreme-homebrew-contest/

[burnt matrix]

Rigged

I heard the Gundam guys paid you off to win.

lol sorry I shouldn’t joke about that stuff, someone might believe me

[winter phoenix]

I had nothing to do with the judging! LoL

[burnt matrix]

This is a great article, thanks for writing it and sharing it with us.

[winter phoenix]

Thanks. I'll put the full rankings in it once Nova updates his site with them.

[wise brook]

all this and more playable on your MiSTer

question, should SRG submit his core to the comp?

[winter phoenix]

I think he could ... the only problem is that not every judge might have a MiSTer to test it out, though. It's worth asking Emerald Nova about

[fringe kettle]

Hmm, I'm having trouble getting the Sakura Wars 2 English TL to boot on either the latest stable and unstable cores, despite the English TL of 1 and the original JP version of 2 loading just fine

it's giving me the "Drive Door Open" error

[wise brook]

resetting core or resetting game not helping?

everything fine my end

[fringe kettle]

I just try to load the game and it goes to the CD player menu with "Drive Door Open"

and resetting from there just brings me back

[wise brook]

sometimes a bad copy of the file can do that. sometimes just relaunch the core and game can get over that hump

[fringe kettle]

and again, SW1 and the Japanese version of 2 load just fine, and I've tried both my own custom patched files and even tried a prepatched version found online, same result

[wise brook]

odd

region settings of the core and bios type?

[fringe kettle]

yeah I'm really scratching my head here

I tried switching between regions but that didn't seem to help either

[wise brook]

i use a region free patched JP 1.01 bios myself

But this shouldn’t be giving you an issue

[fringe kettle]

I'm pretty sure that's the one I have, I've been able to play NTSC-U and NTSC-J games without issue

[wise brook]

i hate to waste anyone’s time testing solutions,

if you had a spare sdcard to try with i’d recommend that

[fringe kettle]

considering everything else works, games and cores alike, I'm not sure that'll be of much help

it's not the patched bin/cues either, I'm testing them out in Mednafen and they're working fine

[wise brook]

only really to tell if a bad sector was on the card.

i just converted it with chdman and that boots 1st time too

[fringe kettle]

so it's specifically this game, specifically on mister

[wise brook]

erm, what’s your input set to?

i’d be shocked if this game had the Shinobi bug

but stranger things have happened

nah, boots with 2 pads set as default

[fringe kettle]

okay now this is odd

so just to do some A/B testing, I put both my self-patched files and the prepatched downloaded files on there, and this time my self-patched ones worked

even though they didn't before

[wise brook]

hmm

hate to post it

but occasionally it’s appropriate

god damn i love this opening song

[fringe kettle]

anyhow I have another quick question

[wise brook]

sure

[fringe kettle]

how do I get SW2 to recognize my SW1 save on Mister

[wise brook]

easy!

the games only share a save instance, if they’re kept in the same subfolder

if for example you have a folder called “kohran is best girl” and put all your sakura wars games in there, a save file with that folders name would exist

so, if you’ve already got a SW1 save you could just duplicate it and rename it to the folder for SW2

or just put the SW2 game into the SW1 folder

[fringe kettle]

so I make a folder with the same filename as the SW2 bin/cue and put the SW1 save in it?

[wise brook]

keep it in the saves directory

it’ll look like this

root-saves-saturn