Sega Saturn

[upper dust]

If I delete the sym link then it shows this:

And after manually making the sym link:

[river river]

Before you manually made the symlink was there anything at /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf?

[upper dust]

nope

this is what I used to make the sym link manually
ln -s /media/fat/_Unstable/ST-V_unstable*.rbf /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf

[river river]

Ah ok, I know what the problem is

[subtle tusk]

I also had to set the symlink manually this morning

[river river]

I've just updated it so now if there's no symlink it won't silently fail.

[upper dust]

nice - deleted my manual sym link and ran the updated script and worked fine, thanks!

[sterile marsh]

will the st-v core be cycled into the update_all script, outside of the normal allow nightly stuff

[warped saddle]

eventually

[thorn pagoda]

oh stv got broken out? nice

making a saturn core is crazy enough by itself without it also being an arcade core

[sterile marsh]

play virtual fighter how it was meant to be played

[wise brook]

I think it’s pretty cool that Sega offered a budget virtua fighter cabinet to arcade vendors

[sterile marsh]

was it a 32x shoved into a milk crate?

[wise brook]

it was the stv

probably cost a 3rd or less than the model 2 hardware

[upper dust]

32x VF and Virtua Racing are pretty good though!

[wise brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1172577437385764966/1287221037871792168/mamebad1.png?ex=67c065c2&is=67bf1442&hm=9802b6f76743528cc4ef7a9ff8fcea6fdc33ef69a4b549dd503446d6fe8e5d4b&

[burnt matrix]

I won’t front, that’s pretty great 😂

[exotic elk]

Arcade3up, easily

[wise brook]

arcade2down

[high bramble]

Arcade5across
"4-letter word. Sounds like a synonym for 'dismember', 'hack', or 'mangle'."

[visual grove]

More rugged then your 1Ups, same height

[sacred goblet]

Saturn Day !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wise brook]

STVDAY

-# doesn’t have the same ring to it

[high bramble]

Yay, Batman Forever buttons fixed.

[celest lake]

we did it chat!

[river river]

Who else is watching and waiting for https://github.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Saturn_MiSTer/actions to finish...

[high bramble]

In progress

[river river]

[warped saddle]

time to build more mras if he rearranged the buttons

also you get to remap everything!

[celest lake]

finally

why are there 2 builds for each?

[high bramble]

That's what I was wondering...

[celest lake]

I wonder if the 2 still going are saturn

[river river]

There's single and dual ram versions of the Saturn & ST-V cores

[celest lake]

because they have many more commits

[high bramble]

But all 4 are labeled 'STV'

[river river]

STV is the commit message

[high bramble]

Ah

[celest lake]

aha

I am good at github thanks for asking

[river river]

Honestly I spent a hot minute looking at it and wondering the same thing lol

[high bramble]

I knew it all along. Was just seeing if you knew what it meant. 😏

You passed.

[ripe valley]

I left for 20 minutes and, bam! ST-V update.

[visual grove]

The STV work is good times. Feels like he’s doing the impossible trying to cram in these last bits of one off hardware into an already full FPGA

[celest lake]

do we need to wait for new MRAs?

[high bramble]

...aaaand all done.

[ancient surge]

SEGA Saturn build also got updated? I thought it was only for ST-V.

[river river]

Its the way the build works since the Saturn & ST-V have the same codebase, so the same build process that outputs separate core files

[old pasture]

Got back from work. I kid you not. I just had beans on toast for dinner.

I wanna stream the latest ST-V core.

A couple of questions, if someone will be kind enough to help.

1. Any advantage in dual ram over single?

2. Will latest unstable paired with latest MRA set do the job, especially with games like Batman and Astral Superstars running?

Any other useful information, I should know before streaming?

Thanks in advance.

[high bramble]

There have been some under-the-hood changes with regards to buttons, so it's probably a bit too early to tell without some testing the most current batch of MRAs.

[old pasture]

Thanks. Some live testing then.

Help is coming

[river river]

I'm no expert but to me this looks like the button arrangements have changed enough to need new MRAs

[celest lake]

zakk is going to give batman his kick back

[old pasture]

More help

Working on the thumbnail

WIP

[warped saddle]

yeah, button arrangement changed and 2 games need flags. should have it done soon

[old pasture]

Thanks.

How's this?

[sinful reef]

It's perfect.

[celest lake]

You could also make a "why not just play these on saturn" joke

[old pasture]

Can I just add STV core to arcade>core folder?

[celest lake]

yup

If you haven't grabbed dave's update script you should

makes it super easy

https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv

[rich violet]

Oh wow, srg320's on fire lately

[old pasture]

Thanks

[old pasture]

I've added .sh to scripts folder

TY

[hallow fossil]

What files are inside the S-TV BIOS zip?

[old pasture]

Limited time. I'm gonna go live in a minute

[warped saddle]

done

[old pasture]

Thanks Zak

[warped saddle]

https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/releases/tag/release8

[old pasture]

Photo Finiish

[analog totem]

ooooh I see it's BatmanForeverDay

[old pasture]

5 mins to go

[high bramble]

Awesome job. Thanks Zakk.

[sacred goblet]

Decathlete now is working !

[pearl harbor]

Saves the old core so he can continue to experience Decathlete LSD Edition.

[warped saddle]

no need!

edit the mra and remove the rom index=0 section!

[pearl harbor]

[high bramble]

Exactly!
What's the point of playing if Robin can't kick? 😄

Now everyone can experience it in all of its janky glory.

[eternal mantle]

No Kick Button yet for Batman Forever, right? Decathlete works and Astra Superstar graphics are correct now. Nice!

[analog totem]

@eternal mantle new build just dropped that's supposed to fix that bug in Batman Forever

[eternal mantle]

I mean, Astra graphics are not corrupted anymore, but some elements are missing, like life bars and counter numbers

[eternal mantle]

Yeah, I'm using todays build and Mras release 8, but no kick button for me. Gonna re-check

[celest lake]

yeah, if folks can confirm that (kicking in batman), I will close the ticket. I am not in front of my mister to check atm

[cursive tree]

Batman Kick doesn’t working at my side, using todays core and MRA set 8

[upper dust]

same - can punch, jump and coin only (ST-V core)

[celest lake]

poor batman

[eternal mantle]

Re-tested here and really no kick button. Batman left his legs at home.

[warped saddle]

go into test mode, 'each game test' and go into the batman specific input test and see if 'kick' registeres there

[eternal mantle]

Yes, it does

[warped saddle]

how....weird

[celest lake]

now this is a scooby doo mystery

[wet hull]

I got some request to add STV to arcade organizer. While we can do that, some have the same setname (stvbios) . @warped saddle I think it is better if you come up with setnames for those

[upper dust]

strange - if I press punch and kick, you block and can roll. So it's registering something in game

[warped saddle]

they all have setnames

[eternal mantle]

Same here

[warped saddle]

the only weird ones are the _JP Bios ones because it's the same setname because it's the exact same rom with a different bios. I'm kinda hoping there's another way to handle region bios

[copper furnace]

Saturn Bomberman (U) music is partially not playing. At the same time, Saturn Bomberman (J) music is playing, but it seems like the beginning of the track was cut off a little

[hallow fossil]

How are arcade BIOS files handled by update all? Which part of that grabs the BIOS files for the various arcade cores that need them? Pretty sure the BIOS DB doesn't and only does consoles and computers

[warped saddle]

they aren't

because they're part of arcaderomdb

and generally loaded via mras if they are required

[ripe valley]

Change your US version of the game with a fresh dump.

I've seen from the name at the very first second on the video that you used an old dump from Darkwater or such (with incorrect music tracks extraction).

[copper furnace]

From here?
https://retrogametalk.com/

[analog totem]

@copper furnace just look for a redump version

[hallow fossil]

Cool, so when the core is ready to go live they should wind up in arcadedb, that's good to know. Sadly the person who took over the BIOS DB has been MIA for the last year so good they don't need to go in there

[old pasture]

Working great. I even won my race. I have proof.

[pearl harbor]

Teach me how to high jump!

[old pasture]

I didn't have a kick button. Only punch & jump

[old pasture]

Eat less fart more

[river river]

Eat more beans and toast

https://tenor.com/view/eils-gif-24347315

[celest lake]

these things are mutually exclusive

[celest lake]

This will cook your ~noodle~ beans, if you hit punch and kick, you will get the special move. So kick is registering...but batman doesn't wanna

[high bramble]

I can confirm as well, though there is some wonkiness with the order of the buttons in the core still.

Based on the order of the button names on the control panel, if you configure the MRA as below, they are incorrect and activate out of order in the game's Input Test (which coincides with srg320's changing B3 to B1 for this game, which didn't make sense to be honest):

names="Jump,Punch/Gadgets,Kick,-,-,-,Start,Coin,Service,Test"

Although, with the buttons configured like this in the MRA, each button activates and registers properly on the Input Test:

names="Kick,Jump,Punch/Gadgets,-,-,-,Start,Coin,Service,Test"

However, as stated, Kick simply doesn't work in-game.

[warped saddle]

yeah, I the fact it doesn't work in game is weird

[high bramble]

Very...

[warped saddle]

we're going to find out it was routed through the sound board or something

[celest lake]

the fact that kick doesn't work, but the combo kick+punch works is my favorite part of this

[high bramble]

lol

[celest lake]

did we update the story? i can do it if not

[high bramble]

Oh, that combo works? I must've missed that. I didn't even try.

Crazy...

[celest lake]

Someone mentioned it did

I need to confirm, then I'll add it to the story

#1046941029296779344 message

[high bramble]

Yep... I missed that. Thanks!

[pearl harbor]

Kick also works when you grab an opponent in the game. It just doesn't work when pressing it on its own when Batman is attacking normally.

[celest lake]

so now the question is

does batman kick on his own on real hardware?

there is a saturn version, yeah?

[warped saddle]

he kicks on his own in mame

[celest lake]

maybe he's holding out until SRG releases the 3DO core. protesting until he can play megarace

[warped saddle]

no way

only criminals use a 3DO

[celest lake]

well I'm out of ideas

[zinc vine]

im i missing something using the script it doesnt work

find: media/fat/unstable/ no such directory

[river river]

• Did you setup unstable nightlies? https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv/?tab=readme-ov-file#prerequistes
• Did you set anything in /media/fat/Scripts/update_stv.ini and if so, to what?

[zinc vine]

stv_rbf_path=/media/fat/Unstable
stv_rbf_type="DualSDRAM_unstable"

[river river]

Do you actually have a directory named /media/fat/Unstable?

[zinc vine]

yea i gotta chnage the name its _unstable

[river river]

Also your error message says media/fat/unstable/ which seems odd to me

/media/fat/_Unstable is the default so you can leave stv_rbf_path unset if its actually that

[zinc vine]

yup that it thank you

[burnt matrix]

ok so today's big update is Release 8 of th MRAs?

[high bramble]

Where you been?

[burnt matrix]

oh I see, new cores

[burnt matrix]

went into the office for an all day design summit

[high bramble]

"Look what we came up with!"

"We worked through lunch on those..."

[burnt matrix]

pins updated, sorry for being so late on that

[burnt matrix]

So like buttons now work correctly?

Oh damn Astra Superstars now looks correct

Sorry I mean, ASTRASS

Oh no working health bars

[high bramble]

Not Batman... yet. Some definite weirdness with that one.

The Kick button now registers in the game's Input Test screen, and the button appears to function in-game when used in combination with other buttons for combo moves... but when pressed by itself, none of the characters will actually kick.

[burnt matrix]

Haha weird

I love how all the stv games use the same controller binding now

[high bramble]

They can be per-game. Individual input files are created for each set name.

[burnt matrix]

Oh, then how is it working across all games for me? Are you saying I can override that behavior too?

[warped saddle]

it has defaults assigned

[high bramble]

There is a default unless overridden per-game.

Yeah... what he said. 😉

[warped saddle]

I'm also confused why everyone keeps saying astra is better. nothing changed regarding it

[burnt matrix]

I had bad texture tearing before

But that went away on this new build

[burnt matrix]

yeah!

I still see it on Tanto-R

Tearing on the polygonal models

Some polygonal stretching on the fish models in Sea Bass Fishing

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that’s it

[eternal mantle]

It was like this

[visual grove]

You can hardly tell..

Also lol the little inset picture of your controller

Are you making an instructional video?

Probably so Robby can git gud

[eternal mantle]

My wife's fault hehe

[visual grove]

Let me tell you now it’s not happening

Your wife takes pictures of your hands and adds them to your photos? Interesting

[eternal mantle]

Yes, I've made three videos already about the Stv core

[warped saddle]

yeah, my astra looks nothing like that

[visual grove]

Wrong bios? Bad dump?

[hallow fossil]

Do we have all the parts needed for the Batman audio daughter board already from other cores?

[eternal mantle]

Haha I thought you were talking about the table cloth under my hands

[warped saddle]

all that stuff matches by crc, so no

[eternal mantle]

It is a screenshot from my video

[analog totem]

I thought maybe the answer was basically "not quite", but I may be remembering wrong

[slate karma]

Is anyone else having the following texture issue w/ Taisen Tanto-R Sasissu!? Single SDRAM, happening with both original and fast RAM timings. Nothing mentioned on compat list other than it's playable.

[burnt matrix]

Yes, happens on dual ram too

[slate karma]

Any point in reporting it? I'll at least update the spreadsheet, haven't checked the github repo for comments tho.

[celest lake]

I say report everything

[winter phoenix]

Of course there’s a point. This is one of the Saturn’s 1,000 most beloved games. It’s important to get it looking correct!

[wise brook]

is this one on Saturn?

[winter phoenix]

Oh is it a Titan game?

[wise brook]

not doing a bit , just wondering if it had a port to the console

[winter phoenix]

Well it’s one of the Titan’s 50 most beloved games 😆

[winter phoenix]

I dunno, I’d never heard of it

[wise brook]

it’s art style is so good

like a saturn cousin to Parapa

[exotic elk]

I thought of parappa as well

[winter phoenix]

Looks like there’s no Saturn version

Saturn has compilations of older Puzzle and Action games but not this one

[wet hull]

In worst case, we can add _jp in the setname for those

But we can take it later

[sacred goblet]

Is there still remaining bugs on saturn core or the core is now finished?

[muted cradle]

A core without a TATE screen flip or even proper Tate Resolution switching is not finished. 😁

And remember: every dev working on 3DO is one less dev to work on IGS PGM. The missing crown-jewel of emulation goodness 😉 (just in case you would propose that he could work on 3DO instead).

[visual grove]

He’s going to work on 3DO though, it’s inevitable like death

[ocean phoenix]

Is anyone else having trouble getting the test button to work in any of the service menus in the current STV core?

I've remapped it any which way I can think of, and I can go in and out of the service menu but I can't flip between the menu options.

I got it working on one of the cores, but also any button mapping I'm doing is not implementing properly.

Couldn't get it working on others

[tribal burrow]

IGS PGM ...

https://tenor.com/view/mmm-mmhmm-gif-27195609

[copper furnace]

Well, I downloaded a fresh dump (redump), and the music in Guardian Heroes and Saturn Bomberman is back. However, the problem with cutting out a few seconds from the beginning of the track is still there. Any ideas what it could be?

[burnt matrix]

ST-V support just got added so there’s going to be a lot that isn’t working. Best we can do is verify it’s an issue with the core and not original hardware, verify others are running into it and is reproducible, and report it.

[copper furnace]

Well, I'll try to return the MiSTer file to the stable version, for now

[ripe valley]

I've tried with the latest unstable versions of Main + Saturn cores and Guardian Heroes.

No problem at all on my side.

So there is an issue elsewhere probably on your side.

Sam for Saturn Bomberman (US and JPN).

[copper furnace]

So the beginning of the track isn't cut off?

[ripe valley]

Nope, the track is read completely without any loss or missing first seconds.

Dual and Single SD RAM systems.
MiSTer v20250220, Saturn v20250226.
Hi-Saturn BIOS 1.03 Region Free.
Guardian Heroes (Japan), dumped myself from the original disc (and same results as the Redump version).
CHD done myself with CHDMan 0.272, game read from an external USB Thumb Stick.

[polar mountain]

I've got something to say, based on only emotion and zero consideration, and that is this: Shienryu is the greatest sounding arcade game of all time.

[burnt matrix]

Like the audio is great, the premise is great, or the name is great?

[polar mountain]

The sound robby!! You know!! What comes out of the thing!!

Jeez!

It goes in your ears

[exotic elk]

AirPods?

[burnt matrix]

My fingers?

[polar mountain]

It comes out the game then gets tucked up by your ears

Jeez

Tucked up

Sucked

[lofty spire]

your ears slurp up the sound

[polar mountain]

Yes!!

Finally

[visual grove]

So that’s how ears work

Tiny vacuums

I wonder if I can clean my keyboard by holding it up to my ear

[copper furnace]

I have found out empirically that core files do not affect playback. But, as soon as I installed the MiSTer file from the stable version, the tracks were played correctly, without cutting off at the beginning of the track for several seconds. But the delay in Elevator Action Returns remained. If I installed the unstable version of MiSTer, then the delay in Elevator Action Returns disappeared, but in games such as Guardian Heroes, Saturn Bombreman and Sonic R the beginning of the track was cut off...
There is another assumption, and if it takes place, I will write about it here.
So far, this is the only pattern I have

[lofty spire]

computers are wack

[burnt matrix]

Good investigation, thanks for piecing that together

[ancient surge]

Just one person having this problem makes me think it has nothing to do with the core. Maybe it's Filezilla corruption, or the RAM being defective.

idk just spitballing to maybe narrow it down.

[celest lake]

I can take a look after my meetings today

@copper furnace Can you reupload your video? It’s not loading on my end. There is a bug in the mobile version of discord where if you take and post a video with the app, it will only post a thumbnail

[celest lake]

First of all, I can’t believe you would skip the bios screen like that. Perhaps this is a punishment

[wise brook]

no i think about it isn’t it weird the ps1 wont let you skip its boot animation

[celest lake]

It’s because it’s giving you time to prepare your body for whatever horrors await

[serene thunder]

System 32

[lofty spire]

core developers are heroes no matter what core they're working on 🙂

[coarse night]

What ist the most efficient way to get all the st-v games/mras/roms.... is there a script or something to add to update_all.ini?

[burnt matrix]

For roms we can’t help you, source them on your own. For the MRAs and core there’s a convenient script that’s in the pins.

I’ll link you - https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv

[coarse night]

thanks

[celest lake]

@copper furnace Yup, I hear it too. Latest unstable. Guardian heroes' is missing the drums at the start of the song

Check the timestamp here (1:10) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap6uaxWu9yA&start=70

those drums are not present on the latest dual ram unstable core + unstable main

I'm using a redump set

bin and cue

@ripe valley @mortal mist Can you guys check guardian heroes again and confirm that you hear the drums at the start of the song?

[coarse night]

currently most of my arcade roms files are in games/mame/
Do the STV mras from the update_stv script look for the roms in the same directory?

[celest lake]

yes

[ripe valley]

On my Single SDRAM, I hear the two drums impact at the start of the song.

(Dum-Dum)

On the Dual SDRAM too, nothing is missing and the timing is correct.

A little blank, two drums impact and and the song.

[ancient surge]

Just out of curiosity, but is the music getting cut out related to the sped up timings on the single RAM build?

[mortal mist]

Yeah , for me music is cut

No drums

[warped saddle]

they're at the beginning of a song?

[mortal mist]

Bin/cue

[mortal mist]

Yes

[warped saddle]

probably his latest main change

[ancient surge]

srg did also warn that where the files are stored can impact games too, so maybe there is a relation?

[mortal mist]

Latest unstable

And stable

[ripe valley]

It's a new MiSTery.

[mortal mist]

Redump, bin/cue , micro sd card

[ripe valley]

CHD on external thumb stick.

Otherwise, Kuba and myself have a rather equivalent system and OS/core.

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/373

[celest lake]

thanks for checking Kuba (just got out of my meetings)

[ripe valley]

I've also left a note.

Let's see what srg320 will say.

[celest lake]

I'm excited to see him solve the batman kick mystery

[warped saddle]

@mortal mist that input bug you just filed with Grandia? when you get 'stuck' toggle fast timing to on and you'll be able to move again. but it will let you move into invalid/greyed out slots

although it is kinda inconsistent

[mortal mist]

on dual i can't use fast timings 😛

and have the same issue

[warped saddle]

so weird

I usually blame main on input freezing but that doesn't seem to be the case here

[mortal mist]

for singles yes , I used fast timings, moved a few fields and it stuck again

I have never tested the item menu on the core

[wise brook]

i wonder if this would be a good MiSTer Saturn controller, it’s even got the analog triggers

sadly it’s ugly as sin

[neon python]

That controller has the MOST "Guest Controller" vibes since the prime Mad Catz 90s knock off controllers

[wise brook]

hori also do a fighting controller, looks nicer but sadly the triggers are all digital

[burnt matrix]

the fight pad in graffiti writing on the right is kinda funny

[river river]

I was ready to hate on that controller, especially at $179 but it looks like its modular. You can swap out the buttons on the right with a 4 button + analog stick module.

[pallid pier]

nah, do you remember the Mad catz controllers of the 90s? That controller is just looking like its doing too much

[neon python]

haha fair

[untold flame]

got the latest ST-V core and found that inputs other than Coin and Test (which is labeled as Coin for some reason) aren't working; any important steps to setup i'm missing?

[river river]

Did you grab the latest MRA release as well?

[untold flame]

the one from yesterday (r8), right? that's the one i currently have

[river river]

Release 8? If so, yes that's the latest

Which games have you tested? I don't think there's been any reports like your's, just the weird Batman not kicking bug so far

Did you try remapping?

[untold flame]

Funky Head Boxers and Dynamite Deka

same behavior across both even after remapping

gonna try resetting the core config files just in case in a bit

[river river]

Dynamite Deka works OK for me

I think(?) Funky Head Boxers is working, I've never played it before

[warped saddle]

double check you don't have multiple things in /media/fat/_Arcade/cores that start with 'ST-V'

[untold flame]

just got the latest release itself

so interestingly the inputs ARE working after having checked the input test mode on Funky Head Boxers, yet Start is not

labeling on the latest core seems to be Coin = Test & Test = Service; Coin, Service and Start are unknown and seemingly unused buttons

[tawny compass]

Sorry for the unrelated question, but anybody here knows hot to add favorites from the _Unstable folder using the favorites script? The _Unstable folder is not shown when I run the favorites script...

[river river]

Looks like you can create a favorites.ini file and set ALLOWED_SD_FILES in it to include the _Unstable folder https://github.com/wizzomafizzo/MiSTer_Favorites/blob/main/favorites.sh#L26C1-L37

[coarse token]

ALLOWED_SD_FILES = {

[tawny compass]

I'll give it a try, thanks. BTW, great work on the STV script, appreciated.

[kindred sundial]

Finally getting around to testing STV. If a game gives me “operation of cartridge is disallowed in this country” does this mean I need a different bios file or a different rom?

[river river]

There's a JP BIOS folder, go into that and there should be another MRA for the same game which should then launch

[kindred sundial]

I’m going game by game but so far these 2 I got that error:
Columns 97
Critter Crusher

[river river]

Columns 97 has an MRA under the JP Bios folder https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/tree/main/_ST-V/_JP Bios

[kindred sundial]

Ahh okay let me try that

Thanks @river river ! That worked

[high bramble]

Critter Crusher's MRA may not have been corrected yet. It needs a different BIOS specified (epr-17954a.ic8 instead of epr-17952a.ic8).

[visual grove]

that’s easier than traveling to Japan to play like I’ve been doing

[west quail]

Hey, I 'm just dumping the st-v mras into the aracde folder, and I saw a Jap bios folder containing more mras. Do they all go into the root folder of Arcade?

[warped saddle]

they can go anywhere under _Arcade you want

[west quail]

Left them in the jap bios folder in the root

So you just load a game from arcade and it plays. Is there no ST-V core in a list? I mean thats what I did and it worked, but just want to confirm that is 100% coreect way to load the rom

[river river]

If you drop the _ST-V directory into the _Arcade directory when you browse into the Arcade menu in the MiSTer UI there'll be an ST-V folder to browse into instead of them being mixed in with the rest of the arcade games

[sacred goblet]

I see that update_all script download st-v mra files. What is the difference with mra downloaded by st-v_update script?

[river river]

Oh it does now?

[celest lake]

I wonder if it grabs the roms and bios too

Zakk would know

[warped saddle]

I was not aware of update_all downloading anything st-v related

[sacred goblet]

Perhaps i'm wrong but when i do update_all i see in the stdout of the script list of mra files. Does this correspond to mra downloaded by the script or mra already present in arcade folder and already downloaded by st-v script?

[warped saddle]

that's probably the organizer

[west quail]

When I run the st-v script, I get no unstable directory exists?

[celest lake]

Do you have an unstable directory on your sd card?

[river river]

Did you setup unstable nightlies as per the setup instructions? https://github.com/davewongillies/MISTer-update_stv?tab=readme-ov-file#prerequistes

Or did you perhaps set stv_rbf_path=/media/fat/Unstable in your update_stv.ini

[winter phoenix]

I finally got around to writing about the latest Princess Crown translation patch updates:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/02/27/eadmasters-princess-crown-translation-reaches-version-0-9/

[celest lake]

as someone who knows nothing about this game, but wants to play it after seeing videos and stuff, would you recommend jumping in now? Or should I wait?

[west quail]

Nah, no worries, its all sorted manual and working. Can't be assed to keep copying and pasting everything. The manual setup took 2 mins

[celest lake]

(if that’s in the article, feel free to tell me to RTFM)

[green swift]

The OCD in me refuses to allow me to play anything less than 1.0

[winter phoenix]

It's ... nuanced. If you want to try it out now, it's entirely playable from start to finish and it's looking pretty nice. One the other hand, the original translators who did not sign off on eadmaster's patch are still working on their own and it probably will have an excellent translation — but who knows when it'll be finished. So it's up to you

[celest lake]

see that’s kind of where Im at. the early access problem

[winter phoenix]

I mean, it would be cool if you'd read my story regardless 😅

[celest lake]

I will 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Taisen 2 👀

[winter phoenix]

Hmm?

[burnt matrix]

👀

[untold flame]

downgraded to 20250224 as a workaround to my issue, though input mapping labels still seem scrambled; Button 4 is now Start, Service is Test, and Test is Coin

at least i'm able to play the games though!

[warped saddle]

I would really double check your mras

[untold flame]

i deleted them and downloaded release 8 again just in case and nothing's changed

[warped saddle]

did you previously map buttons in those games?

[untold flame]

nope, just setup the core for the first time today

[warped saddle]

what controller?

[untold flame]

dualshock 4, gonna go ahead and check with an 8bitdo-modded saturn controller right now

looks like the problem was caused by update_all actually, whoops

forgot to replace the stable MiSTer build it installed with the latest unstable and now the inputs are fine

prior to that it downloaded older MiSTer and zImage_dtb binaries, though i imagine only the former was the culprit to begin with

[high bramble]

...and that's why I still prefer to do things manually. 😉

[carmine flower]

Is Zen Nippon Pro-Wrestling Featuring Virtua - running on STV?

[burnt matrix]

Yes

[carmine flower]

my bios may be janky

thanks

[ocean phoenix]

Having the same problem. I had the opposite, in that only test but not service, or only service but not test. Occasionally both, but then any remapping I did didn't translate into correct buttons or "test" stopped working.

[ocean phoenix]

Thanks for the tip, will try this.

[ocean phoenix]

Nope. reinstalled the latest unstable main, Still the same problem, and remapping isn't working. Dualshock 4 issue maybe? Sigh

[river river]

I don't think the stv core depends on unstable main to work?

[celest lake]

You do not unless you want lightgun support

And even then I think it’s just sinden and retroshooters

Gun4ir should just work?

But yeah; you don’t need it to run stv

[static jetty]

I did try stable and it was fine

[mortal mist]

I corrected one more thing for ST-V h/v (CRT) , I will add it later, I equalized the offset for high and low resolutions horizontally. The high resolution image will shift more than the normal one. Thanks to this there is no visible too much difference in offset for hires and lowres , the image is aligned.

check in Radiant Silvergun or Cotton Bumerang, should be better

[wet hull]

I'm not home to test yet. But I checked the PR

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/blob/81c8ec70de13be228e51d354544856c32fbabf69/Saturn.sv#L306-L307

[coarse token]

"P1o[69:65],CRT H offset,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,-15,-14,-13,-12,-11,-10,-9,-8,-7,-6,-5,-4,-3,-2,-1;",
"P1o[74:70],CRT V offset,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,-15,-14,-13,-12,-11,-10,-9,-8,-7,-6,-5,-4,-3,-2,-1;",

[wet hull]

I think it is better to reduce the offset numbers

Up to 7 is the "golden number" that jotego found

Higher could lead to issues

[mortal mist]

I will verify this

Thanks

[upper dust]

I ran update_all and it showed the ST-V .mra stuff (I do have arcade organizer on).
Oddly, it deleted the st-v_update script and did not update the sym link to the new version of the core
I had to manually recreate the sym link again with this to get things working again:
ln --symbolic --force --verbose /media/fat/_Unstable/ST-V_unstable*.rbf /media/fat/_Arcade/cores/ST-V.rbf

[humble epoch]

Played some Lunar 2 with the newest translation patch. Beautiful game. Can’t wait for that to get completed. Between that, Sakura Wars 2, and Princess Crown there is a lot of good Saturn gaming to look forward to.

Also I just bought a 3DO so we should be getting a fully compatible core any day now.

[burnt matrix]

Saturn isn’t good

[burnt matrix]

IT’S AMAZING!!!!! 🥳 🎉

[upper dust]

lol - right. I had just bought my first Saturn, replaced the PSU and put in a Fenrir then... Saturn core

[burnt matrix]

Taisen 2 👀

[river river]

idk there's something weird going on with github where the downloader db for update_stv was returning 404 file not found (which previously worked). Anyhow I've updated the db now so that shouldn't happen

[acoustic sable]

Github does that sometimes. I blame Microsoft.

[humble epoch]

Always a good choice. Been dealing with them a lot at work and I too blame Microsoft.

[exotic elk]

I have a wisdom tooth poking out of my gum and I blame Microsoft

[winter phoenix]

Sega only made one version of the Taisen Cable

[burnt matrix]

Sakura 2 👀

[wise brook]

the second version

[winter phoenix]

I'm afraid there was no sequel to Sakura Momoko Gekijou: Coji Coji and it's a Dreamcast game anyway

[burnt matrix]

Oh ok, you’re right. I get so easily confused. 😵‍💫

[winter phoenix]

It happens, it happens...

[thorn pagoda]

i like how srg320s new job is to make space in the core so Kuba can fill it back up again 😄

[burnt matrix]

What else are we missing that people want? Cheats?

[thorn pagoda]

i want a pony

240/480i hack
zakks new deinterlacing....
yeah i guess cheats would be next

rapidly running out of todos

[burnt matrix]

I know people asked for mpeg card support but lol

[noble escarp]

I want mesh transparency as real transparency

[thorn pagoda]

i'd rather have like, 10 QOL features than mpeg card support tbh, sorry fans of whatever that one game is

did anyone try doing cheats by just shoving the rom of a cheats system into the cores cart slot?

[noble escarp]

How complex would be to make the Adaptive Blend feature to work over mesh textures?

[thorn pagoda]

are they actually textures or are they like, line drawn

[noble escarp]

Texture. Then the console renders it like a checkboard

[thorn pagoda]

you need to blend it after its been rendered into the 3d scene though or it'd stop working as an actual transparency

[noble escarp]

Yeap

[thorn pagoda]

maybe you could actually like, convert it into a true semi-opaque texture when it hits vram

by spotting the checkerboard

[noble escarp]

Thats the idea. Some emulators can do that

[thorn pagoda]

but then idk how you convince the game engine to actually render it correctly if it doesn't want

[noble escarp]

How does Adaptive Blend works?

It's a post processing? It detecs a pattern then apply blending?

[thorn pagoda]

it works like at the sprite layer level, after its compsited into the scene iirc

[noble escarp]

Works pretty good on some megadrive games

Oh it's only at the sprite layer? That's why it does not work on some games then

[thorn pagoda]

it also only works on vertical striping iirc not checkerboards

[noble escarp]

Yes

On saturn it would not need to detect the pattern

[high bramble]

Current implementation works poorly though... no disrespect anyone who implemented it.
Often it fails to properly detect the checkered pattern (whole or partial) where it needs to apply the blending, and it sometimes applies blending irregularly where there is no pattern whatsoever (such as the fonts on the top and bottom of the Sega CD boot screen).

[noble escarp]

I use it only on some games. Works pretty good on sonic's waterfall

[high bramble]

It actually works really nicely with Crusader of Centy.

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/say-the-line-bart-school-millhouse-classroom-gif-26683141

[drowsy hull]

The one other game it works in a nice way

[winter phoenix]

Here's why checkerboarding is used for a lot of faux transparencies in Saturn games...

When the Saturn's VDP1 graphics processor renders a frame, it shoots it over to the other graphics processor, VDP2, which treats VDP1's frame as a layer that it combines with all of its own layers. VDP2 layers often are the so-called "Mode 7" floors, or skybox backgrounds, or HUD elements ... generally 2D stuff, as VDP2 can't render polygons on its own. Programmers can combine these VDP2 layers with VDP1's "layer" in any order they want.

So VDP1 cannot see anything that VDP2 is rendering, since its stuff gets rendered first and given to VDP2, which combines the full image to send to your TV. Because of that, if a transparent polygon (or 2D sprite) on VDP1 is overlaid on top of an area of the screen that will be filled in by VDP2, like the sky in the background, it's just going to render it as opaque, since VDP1 can't see anything back there. It's blending that transparent polygon/sprite with blackness, basically.

On the other hand, if you have a VDP1 transparent polygon/sprite being rendered in front of other VDP1 polygons/sprites, it can do the transparency calculation just fine.

And if you set a VDP2 layer — say, a HUD element — to have transparency, that'll work fine, too, since VDP2 is laying it on top of the incoming VDP1-rendered "layer" and can blend it without issue.

So developers had to be really careful about how they set up their game if they wanted to use transparency, and if it just wasn't possible to avoid having VDP1 elements on top of VDP2 stuff — or devs didn't give a shit to worry about it — they'd have to use checkerboarding faux transparency instead.

[noble escarp]

Would be cool to enhance that feature on the core, at mininum by using composite blend over meshed textures. Real opacity would be better but might be too complex to implement.

[ancient fractal]

VDP1 blending modes come with pretty severe limitations and performance hits, so I wouldn’t say it can do transparencies just fine.

Use of the transparency bit in VDP1 framebuffer during VDP2 compositing is probably the most common type of transparency you see with sprites/polygons

[vernal sun]

Any big differences between Saturn and PSX versions?

[celest lake]

the PSX version is in English.

https://tenor.com/Una0.gif

[high bramble]

It's true.

Can confirm.

[vernal sun]

Well, sounds like the Saturn version is now too haha

Was hoping the community had a solid list. Biggest complaint from PSX is battle length. Each battle takes way longer than on SCD. Was hoping the Saturn version was closer to SCD in that regard

[static jetty]

Is STV part of main update_all? Or still need to run stv_update script?

[river river]

update_all downloads the core files, but they get downloaded to /media/fat/_Unstable if you have unstable nightlies configured in downloader.ini, so for now we still need update_stv to create the symlink in /media/fat/_Arcade/cores and also grab the MRA files

[static jetty]

Hey mate thanks, I have the STV update script working, we did a bit of work on it earlier this week, going by comments in the last 12 hours above it seemed that the update all was pulling the STV core now, was wondering if this was the case or it's still via your script mate.

[river river]

My script never pulled the core. If you configured unstable nightlies in your downloader.ini, that's what was pulling the core. update_stv just sets up the symlink to /media/fat/_Arcade/cores and downloads the MRA files

[burnt matrix]

TLDR Saturn can’t do transparencies

[zealous karma]

I get graphics corruption on latest STV core in Final Fight Revenge

Several stage backgrounds have corruptions

[humble epoch]

Not sure. It’s my first time playing it.

[steep isle]

apologies for asking if this is in the wrong spot. stv files, in \games\stv or \games\st-v ? (or neither?)

(bios also)

[celest lake]

games\mame

[steep isle]

will try that, thanks!

[high bramble]

..\games\mame is common for all arcade ROM zip files.

[prime hare]

That’s a known issue for that game

[tacit viper]

Alright i'm bored, someone pick a Saturn game for me to play

and don't say Bug

[wise brook]

Astal

[prime hare]

Digital Pinball - Necronomicon

or Shinrei Jusatsushi Taroumaru

[ancient surge]

Bug Too

[tacit viper]

Already beaten

[tacit viper]

I like the way you think

[wise brook]

Elevator Action Returns

[tacit viper]

Never played Elevator action actually

I'll give it a go. Do you recommend with an arcade stick or joystick?

[wise brook]

oooh good question

grab a nice 8bitdo arcade stick or similar and see how it feels

[tacit viper]

🙂

[burnt matrix]

Holy shit Lunacy has 10/10 CG and voice acting.

[tacit viper]

What the heck is Lunacy lol

[wise brook]

it’s got a few names

a very atmospheric fmv game

[tacit viper]

I absolutelyu love FMV games

One of the only reasons I love the SegaCD lol

[burnt matrix]

By 10/10 I mean it’s hilarious

[tacit viper]

Is there an NA port of Elevator Action?

[burnt matrix]

But it’s pretty cool

[tacit viper]

"You almost became a Jill sandwich"

[burnt matrix]

I can’t hear what this dude is saying to himself because they went LOUD with the music

[wise brook]

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2019/01/01/season-3-ep-4-peters-saturn-music-picks/

it’s music featured in this episode iirc

[burnt matrix]

I just broke into someone’s house as I fly around the town.

Damn this dude just said “don’t let the door hit you on the way out” to someone who just broke into his house, rude

“TOUGH LUCK, STUPID” 🤣

Holy shit this game is so crazy

[tacit viper]

I gotta say the Saturn core is just so damn awesome

Trying really hard not to buy the Virtual On Twin Stick

I keep going to ebay and closing out but I know I am going to give in lol

[burnt matrix]

Is moving the camera in Atlantis juddery on real hardware?

Looks smooth based on this video that I think is real hardware - https://youtu.be/NQy0F76tR6c

If anyone wants, could you confirm that looking around has choppy movement on the Saturn core?

[tacit viper]

So you want to know on the Mister Saturn core if it is choppy or on real hardware?

[burnt matrix]

Would be great to confirm if someone else has a choppy camera like me on their MiSTer and also how well it runs on real hardware

[tacit viper]

let me see if I have it one sec

Im playing saturn stuff atm so i can checkl

Yup do indeed have it

one secv

[burnt matrix]

Thanks!

[tacit viper]

Cryo Interactive

Cant say I heard of them 😄

[upper dust]

Not necessary. Game is in English

[tacit viper]

Yup, got to the third level. Fun game for sure.

Mine is not as smooth as YouTube video either

I'll go pull out the old Saturn tomorrow and verify on real hardware

sorry for crappy video, scanlines makes it look really bad 😄

It looks like it drops frames as you turn IRL

[winter phoenix]

Break out your racing wheels because we're hitting the track in Hang-On GP for March's SHIRO! Community Challenge! There are prizes, weekly challenges and even a category for those playing on emulators and MiSTers! Check out the full rules and join the fun:

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/02/28/hang-on-for-march-2025s-community-challenge/

(I think this is the first time we've had a specific category to allow emulators and MiSTers for a community challenge, aside from the "book club month" we did for Mystaria/Blazing Heroes)

[burnt matrix]

Nice HDR video, also yeah mine is choppy like that

[burnt matrix]

Smooth for you?

On mister?

[visual grove]

No that’s a Saturn

Mister is choppy

Well Saturn with a Satiator

Not like I own that trash game

[ancient surge]

Maybe more complex areas cause performance problems?

[tacit viper]

@burnt matrix - Just viewed my Saturn, also smooth

Let me know if you need a video

[tacit viper]

This is the very first scene of the game

[celest lake]

Someone should file it

[somber jacinth]

This is not a problem, I probably need to go back through the posts carefully but I had issues running Dave's updater. I added update unstable to downloader ini and added his example update STV ini.
Ran update all and it didn't appear to have worked. I think maybe update downloaded a different core and It defo did not update any mra's as the set I had was before batman booted. And this was the same afterwards.
I downloaded the pinned mra's and core and manual install worked as should.
Unsure what I did wrong with the updater but it will almost definitely be my error lol.

Anyway I'm ok doing the manual updates, but can I just clarify does update all now update the latest STV core or is the version in nighties still behind the pinned core?

[north parrot]

first time i ran the script i had to manually drop the latest core in the _unstable folder, after that it worked

[river river]

Unless you have a specific reason to don't add the example update_stv.ini file, that's probably what made it not work for you

[river river]

That was due to a bug that's now fixed

[somber jacinth]

Ok thanks. I'll remove and try again.

[naive whale]

A man of tastes I see

Great modding enclosure when it’s on sale on Amazon which feels like almost always

[wise brook]

#share-media message

saturn fans get. in. here.

[brittle tulip]

No access?

[atomic knot]

@warped saddle It is possible to add a .mra to the stv core of the game "Radiant Silvergun extra"

http://daifukkat.su/hacks/rsg_ex/

[wise brook]

i love him so much

[wise brook]

set yourself up in channels and rolls

[burnt matrix]

I mean Zakk can do whatever he wants but I think that would fall as part of the romhacks and homebrew category

[mortal mist]

ver1 is with offset with values - 0..16 , and-15 ..-1 , ver 2 is with offset with values 0...7, and -8...-1 (like in Jotego cores, same approach) - two versions have improved horizontal positioning in hires

I don't know which approach is better, I haven't personally found errors with values 0-16

I know that no one wants to test it anyway ,but I leave it here 😂

[wise brook]

i am out walking baby, will test upon return

Are you specifically looking to see if the range is too much and the CRT freaks out?

[mortal mist]

whether anything bad is happening , yes

[zealous karma]

Im getting a cart region error in STV for Critter Crusher, is this known?

[small ore]

yes, the mras currently give that the wrong bios. If you want to manually fix the mra for now here's the details https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/pull/5/commits/3fd7a88f372a6b616e45f9c3e6d03cb6249be083

[zealous karma]

I get "Error on cartridge" for DeJeon! SanjeonSujeon

[zealous karma]

thanks, but dont understand how to fix it. Will wait for an mra fix

It also seems you need a special controller, so will skip that one 🙂

[small ore]

You can open the mra and change <part crc="d1be2adf" name="epr-17952a.ic8" map="21436587" /> to <part crc="ff7722da3" name="epr-17954a.ic8" map="21436587" />

[tacit viper]

Yup, you gave me the idea! lol

[cursive tree]

Do you have a link for it? Couldn’t find it on Amazon

[naive whale]

Let me see. Maybe they are finally all sold?

Bummer yeah finally seems like they cleared the stock

[naive whale]

haha nice

[wise brook]

back home, updating my mister and onto some resolution tests

crop tests

you know what i mean

[wise brook]

no errors to report with the full range of offset in either core

[mortal mist]

Many many thanks!

[wise brook]

240p and 480i resolutions tested successfully

all green across the board

[tacit viper]

I got mine off eBay for retail price

[onyx gulch]

Is there a way to add a rotate option for Shienryu?

[wise brook]

coding! 🤓

[wise brook]

other than adding a resource intensive frame-buffer that can do rotated output, using an external scaler such as the retrotink 4K, which costs approximately $700, your wildest dreams to come true

[visual grove]

$750 + tax and shipping

[wise brook]

bargain

[visual grove]

Or, and this might seem crazy, you could run the Saturn version 😜

[ancient fractal]

There’s also the Saturn version.. certainly not the ideal way to play though

[visual grove]

Yeah not as good but cheaper than $800+ of hardware or waiting/hoping

Get a free CRT

Flip it on its side

Win

[river river]

Rotating VESA mount 😁 https://www.amazon.com/Maclocks-Orientation-Swivel-Enclosures-VRP-B/dp/B00T78GJ1K

[pearl harbor]

But that version is interlaced, making it impossible to play!

[visual grove]

All problems are solved by getting that CRT

My doctor said I need a new liver so I picked up a CRT

[pearl harbor]

Unless you have a CRT! But what crazy person has one of those things in 2025! ||I say as I make an enemy of the entire Discord! ||

[visual grove]

Yeah having one is crazy

You need > 10

[mortal mist]

Yes

todo on list

[warped saddle]

hope the core can handle the extra ddr3 pressure

[mortal mist]

Yeah

We will see

[warped saddle]

to be fair it only has to handle it for shienryu

[mortal mist]

I also wanted to do flip for saturn

[ripe valley]

At the moment, I'm flipping my little PVM on the side and playing on the ST-V version of the game.

[crisp mortar]

Had no luck booting the ST-V games. Launching from main menu kicks me back to the Mister Root and launching while the core is loaded give me a "No RBF Detected" message.

[burnt matrix]

You need the STV rbf in “media/fat/_arcade/cores”

@crisp mortar instructions for ya, amigo - #1046941029296779344 message

[high bramble]

Bueno!

[crisp mortar]

Looks to be mostly working! Cheers.

[crisp mortar]

*all working. Fixed up the Bios.

[naive whale]

So wheels work on the core?

Commenter asked. I don’t have one

[clear condor]

Daytona has 4 wheels running at once, and Sega Rally has 4-8

[leaden dagger]

I feel like STV might need to get its own thread at some point to cut down cross talk when trouble shooting

[mortal mist]

By making changes for STV, the cores for Saturn are also compiled. It is certainly a bit confusing for people when they check the core and see no changes 😄

[marble laurel]

Test is important to check no regression 😊

[burnt matrix]

I’m just going to do that when I update pins. All four RBFs have been added as links to that pinned post.

[wise brook]

oh i needs to test dual vs single for stv Decathlon

there’s a little bit of slowdown on single-ram when inserting a new credit after a game over

and the javelin throw went real slow without fast timings

then it seemed to go too fast

but my bro and i had a hoot regardless

a delightfully absurd game

[thorn pagoda]

maybe the most technically impressive saturn game in some aspects

you could mistake it for some early dreamcast or ps2 games nearly

[wise brook]

like ready 2 rumble i guess

[ancient fractal]

Yeah, DecAthlete is super neat looking. I always liked how the ground texture uses a thick border of an in-between color between the white and brown areas that pretty effectively mimics antialiasing

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/digital-foundry-no-df-gif-23805969

“as you can see if we slow down the footage, there’s at least 6 graphics on screen at once “

idk i don’t watch there frame analysis footage

[burnt matrix]

I laughed out loud at this

Lmaaao

[wise brook]

“antialiasing”? yeah it’s called RF round these parts

[tacit viper]

Can a kind soul tell me the easiest way to switch between unstable kernel and mainline? I replaced the Linux zimage_dtb file via my card reader and now it won't boot -.-

[wise brook]

i’m not familiar with what you’ve done here

I thought switching between unstable and main was as simple as replacing the current MISTER file

in which case I would just rename the one you’re currently not using too MISTERold or something

[tacit viper]

I was testing a mainline Linux kernel

My gun4ir is not being recognized in a core (tried them all) but works on main Mister menu

I got it booting again thx

Pulled out my secondary MisterPi and it's having same issue so nothing with this unstable build I'm running

[tacit viper]

Fixed it, had to flash my gun4ir to 2.65 firmware

[mortal mist]

Great to hear!

[tacit viper]

me too now i can stop screwing around with all this stuff and just enjoy it 🙂

I wanted to get a set of guns working on my crt and opted for the gun4ir

If anyone ever sees this and gets stuck, i've pretty much done every gun on the market with the Mister now

[wise brook]

dual ram stv decathlete looking good

[hollow pier]

🤣

bit naughty from sega lol

[novel carbon]

Is there any difference between the single sdram or dual sdram ST-V core?

I know we are still early days on the core.

But has anyone experienced any bad performance on single sdram?

[wise brook]

it’s rare, and can mostly be mitigated with the fast timings option

there’s currently is no list of every title affected by the single sdram constraints

vampir used to maintain one but that was a while ago

[burnt matrix]

Only with the VF2 engine based games (VF2, DoA, Fighters Megamix, some pop singer promo software) and even then there's a single core specific option called Timing: Fast in the Hardware options of the core’s menu that will mostly fix it.

Oh if you're talking about ST-V, then I don't know, sorry.

[untold flame]

i was about to name Funky Head Boxers ST-V as having bad performance on single ram

but honestly it almost seems like that version of the game was just horribly optimized altogether, MAME doesn't run it consistently neither does original hardware it appears

[naive whale]

I miss anything? I’ve been up at midnight. 2 am. 4 am. 6 am 🤣

[wise brook]

are you comparing against any footage from original hardware?

[untold flame]

there's this plus lukemorse1's videos on the game https://youtu.be/N1hMqPJr1B4

i guess consistent performance to original ST-V means slower than the Plus version on Saturn though

[ancient fractal]

Here's two of the games using a 315-5881 chip for protection with patches applied (patches in the MRA so works with the regular mame romset)

[wise brook]

thank you so much

[burnt matrix]

Woah nice! Thanks for posting that. Dumb questions but what does the patch do?

[ancient fractal]

I’m not entirely certain since they are merely ported over from the Darksoft rom set. But they contain (a) a very small diff to the program ROM and (b) a substantial diff to data. So I’m guessing (a) just removes some check and/or setup code for interfacing with the protection chip, and (b) is a bunch of decrypted graphics.

[warped saddle]

yeah, the darksoft roms just "pre decode/decrypt" all the data that is protected. I assume the program patches are to just have it not bother to try doing the key exchange/setup of the protection

[celest lake]

is that something we’d add to the mra pack? or is the goal to implement the protection chip to keep it as close to original as possible?

[warped saddle]

I'm not going to add those unless SRG decides that's the direction he wants to go

[celest lake]

I hope the direction he is going is towards the THREE DEE OH

[warped saddle]

you could also just use the DS roms directly, but I don't think they exist anywhere that could be easily added to the arcade rom db

[cobalt rune]

I hope before he moves onto 3DO he adds cheat support to the Saturn core

[burnt matrix]

Why would we want to use the Darksoft roms over MAME roms? Genuine question.

[celest lake]

because the protection is cracked, I guess. So games like astra can be played

[burnt matrix]

Man, am I crazy or Astra is already working?

[celest lake]

there is something about astra that isn't working iirc. I don't know, i haven't touched it yet

[burnt matrix]

ohhhhhh

I was able to play a round just fine but that’s all I did

I assumed any issues were just the results of early ST-V implementation

[ancient fractal]

I kind assume that srg320 is tackling the 315-5881 protection now since he just did the 315-5838 one for DecAthlete.

It wouldn't be a big loss if it didn't fit. All games using it has Saturn ports, and they're not any top-tier games either...

[naive whale]

Yeah sounds like the check code was just removed or NOP’d so it never even realizes it has security or wants to check for it

[burnt matrix]

I know I’m gonna get hate for saying this but that’s been my entire perspective on ST-V support in general.

I’m happy it’s there, I’m happy for people who want it, and sure I’ll probably enjoy it once in a while. It’s just the Saturn versions with extremely minor improvements or if it’s an ST-V exclusive it’s kind of terrible. Well Funky Head Boxers is, I forgot what the other exclusives are. Some advert game for Maruchan ramen? lol

But hell yeah, it’s real neat that ST-V support is there. I don’t get it and it’s not for me. Maybe one day I’ll really get into Funky Head Boxers lol.

[green pebble]

Well some games apperently have different music and more frames of animation as well as lower load times, but eh. I never though the Saturn or STV library was super great. I mean, it's not SegaCD bad, but it's just OK. Most of the best games are ports of arcade games...

[ancient fractal]

Funky Head Boxers is also on Saturn though

[burnt matrix]

OH really. Shows what I know, haha,

[celest lake]

I hope he finds some more free time to implement the PSX arcade hardware. Maybe he’ll do the Gen 5 arcade hardware victory lap

[neon python]

The Batman Forever: The Arcade Game Saturn version is supposedly inferior to the ST-V Arcade version, so you have Robin's Kick Tornados to look forward to.

[celest lake]

Kicking in batman is a sore subject atm :p

[neon python]

I have missed something!

(why?)

[celest lake]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/371

[neon python]

oh crap, the only button that matters!

[celest lake]

God is punishing us.

We have played too many visual novels

[neon python]

"We will dangle the best Arcade beatemup in front of you, but you won't be able to kick."

[celest lake]

its such a cool bug because the kick button registers in the test mode. and if you do kick+punch you do the special move. they just refuse to kick on their own

[neon python]

They must be doing something weird in the game itself

[hallow fossil]

S-TV support must be exciting for people with MiSTercade set ups, or their MiSTer in an arcade cabinet, as these are some of the most advanced arcade games on MiSTer now. There is a benefit from having these games in their original arcade format for sure

[celest lake]

yeah, preservation wise, it’s great

[neon python]

Yeah, it makes me want to get an Arcade 1-up (I live in a Condo 😦 ) and JAMMA harness it and add a MiSTer to it...

[celest lake]

Can you do that?

I thought those things were pretty locked down

[neon python]

Tonnes of people mod them to put Pis in them, so I believe so

you basically cut out everything that Arcade 1-up ships in it (some keep the joysticks and buttons, but apparently they are somewhat low quality)

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, the original asking price for the what you got was a pretty good deal if you were interested in an arcade but didn’t want to drop a ton of cash or give up a ton of space

DIY arcade cabinets blew up because of the arcade1ups. It went from a $2k asking price just down to $300 so the modding scene also got huge.

Pi modding was basically there from day 1.

[hallow fossil]

It would be cool if down the line Aleck64 got the same treatment as S-TV and those games were also in as arcade releases with mra files running off the N64 core

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, this is the most advanced arcade platform on the MiSTer now, isn’t it?

This is why I always call bullshit on people who say MiSTer can’t do this, even core devs. You just don’t know how to make it happen yet, not that the hardware isn’t capable of it.

Not literal you, just the figurative you. Person who claims thing can’t do it.

I mean there’s of course a limit to that. Not gonna make PS2 run natively on a MiSTer lol.

[gloomy hedge]

been a while since I posted so here's a shit game on the saturn

real hw, not mister

cuz im lazy shut up

[burnt matrix]

that’s the game, yeah I know the game

[gloomy hedge]

that is a game

[burnt matrix]

Something C

Arrrghhhh

[gloomy hedge]

oh wow look at you

yes it starts with a C

playing guess the game with robby

[hallow fossil]

I'm not an arcade expert but think it must be, it's a generation on from Neo Geo and CPS2, right? Aleck64 would be a similar level, as it is basically an arcade N64.

[burnt matrix]

CHAOS CONTROL

shadow the hedgehog ass game

[burnt matrix]

Yeah 100%, you also got the System series of PS1 hardware

[exotic elk]

what's an ass game

[lofty spire]

a game where you play as a donkey 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Sorry, shadow the hedgehog ahh game

[exotic elk]

ah it was in Italian American

[gloomy hedge]

incredible

you are a genius

I know you are the real robby

[gloomy hedge]

prob one of these

[burnt matrix]

[gloomy hedge]

oh am I getting banned for the bare butt

fucc it was nice knowing you guys

[soft goblet]

Excuse me? That "bare butt" is called Robby and a valued member of this discord.

[gloomy hedge]

before I go here's a full run of virtua cop 1 beginner course on a real saturn for any comparisons needed for the core

warning: flashing cuz it lightgun

[burnt matrix]

Updated it?

[celest lake]

probably a mistake paste

[ivory veldt]

My bad yeah sorry

[burnt matrix]

Is there a list of ST-V exclusives that aren’t named “Pretty Panda Print Shop”.

[celest lake]

are you kink shaming again?

[burnt matrix]

😨

like I’m trolling but also serious

I’m gonna about face my ST-V hate from this morning and be an ST-V lover

[mortal mist]

❤️

[burnt matrix]

I like that console generation all looked at the Neo Geo and said “we can do that”.

Except Nintendo kinda forgot the whole “makes easy console ports” part of that arrangement lol.

[brittle tulip]

for st-v, do you have to setup the settings in the ini file per game/core, or can you set it as another system? Im talking about setting the video mode and everything like this:
[SNES]
video_mode=1280,960,60
vsync_adjust=0
vrr_mode=0

[celest lake]

yeah, [st-v] should work.

[neon python]

I love that you did the "Gotta check the Statue Of Liberty torch for a power-up" like all proper light gun game enjoyers train themselves to do. "THE DEVS MIGHT HAVE BEEN DICKS AND HID A POWER UP THERE!"

[gloomy hedge]

omg feel seen lmao

hahahha

[neon python]

I remember when I was a near terminal Sniper Scope addict in the arcades I would crack off a shot at basically any random thing just to be sure

[ancient fractal]

To play a bit of devils advocate, a large part of the argument was that for these mid-90s systems it is not possible to meet the original memory timings on DE-10 nano. That still stands, and is the reason behind most if not all outstanding issues for the PSX, N64 and Saturn cores.

What’s really cool is whenever a next generation platform pops up, it won’t be too much work to rejig the current cores for an improved memory architecture.

[winter phoenix]

I have compiled a list for you:

Virtual Batting (1994)
Waku Waku Tama & Friends (1994)
Sports Fishing (1994)
Pro Mahjong Kiwame S (1995)
Ejihon Tantei Jimusho (1995)
Final Arch (1995)
Sports Fishing 2 (1995)
Critter Crusher (1995)
Mausuke no Ojama the World (1996)
Super Major League (1996)
Pebble Beach: The Great Shot (1996)
Karaoke Quiz Intro Don Don! (1996)
Name Club (1996)
Magical Zunou Power (1996)
Calendar Club (1997)
Print Club 2 (1997)
Columns '97 (1997)
Aroma Club (1997)
Movie Club (1997)
Waku Waku Shinkansen (1997) train game, Robby!
Maru-chan de Goo! (1997)
Tecmo World Cup '98 (1998)
Taisen Tanto-R Sasissu! (1998)
Waku Waku Shoubousya (1998)
Othello Shiyouyo (1998)
Stress Busters (1998)
Wanpaku Safari (1998)
Danchi de Hanafuda: Okusan Yoneya Desu yo! (1999)
Microman Battle Charge (1999)
Print Club Pokémon B (1999)
Mograpper (1999)
Danchi de Quiz: Okusan 4-taku Desu yo! (2000)
Dancing Fever (2000)
Tottoko Hamtarou Crayon Kids (2000)
Pocket Monsters Crayon Kids (2001)
Dancing Fever Gold (2001)
Doraemon Crayon Kids (????)
Soreike! Anpanman Crayon Kids (????)
Pretty Panda Print Shop (2025)

[pearl harbor]

🎉 🤘

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, great point. Thanks as always for being on the ball with this stuff. 🍻

Also I have full confidence that whoever is having issues with the memory will figure it out.

[burnt matrix]

lololol also holy shit that’s a huge list

[pearl harbor]

Isn't Puzzle & Action: Treasure Hunt only in English on ST-V as well? I know there's a Saturn port, but I don't believe it got a western release.

[winter phoenix]

yeah, that game was released in English as an arcade game but only came out on the Saturn in Japan

[burnt matrix]

Waku Waku Shinkansen isn’t real is it? 🥹

[winter phoenix]

it is, but it's a kids game

[burnt matrix]

[burnt matrix]

omg it looks so cool - https://youtu.be/A4JImjVDQK4

[burnt matrix]

I would like to publicly announce that I regret my words and deeds. ST-V has “Waku Waku Shinkansen” and therefore no expense must be spared to preserve the glorious and incredible Sega Titan Video hardware.

I have wallowed in ignorance and filth all these years but now I bathe in the cleansing golden sunshine of the Sega Titan Video.

🕹️

[winter phoenix]

witness the power and the majesty of the Sega Titan Video Game System at work

[exotic elk]

wow it's an actual simulator

exactly like the real thing

[pearl harbor]

Perfect for Robby and his love of fat babies!

Robby will never escape that meme!

[rich violet]

https://retrofighters.com/our-collection/d6-dreamcast-6-button-wireless-controller/ looks good. I have 4 M30s though, so not really looking for another pad for the Saturn core 😅

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, it was discussed in the controllers thread. I decided to bite the bullet and give the thing a try. So I'll leave my impressions there when it arrives.

[celest lake]

they are still sold out, yeah?

oh nm they are in stock 🙂

[vernal sun]

Am I the only one who has issues with m30 buttons sticking? I have a launch controller and the buttons get stuck in the hole of the controller. It's annoying, and IIRC, it's mostly the b button

[rich violet]

I've not had that. I have 2 quite old black Bluetooth M30s and 2 white 2.4g M30s that are ~ 18 months old

[vernal sun]

May be how I hit the buttons. I am a roller, kind of, so I end up hitting the side of the button vs press down right in the middle. I especially have the issue when I am doing shooters.

[vernal sun]

Mine is much older. Like March 2019 or something like that

Yeah, March 23rd 2019 is when I got it

[rich violet]

Oh, okay, my oldest are probably 3 years old

[muted cradle]

That looks gorgeous. Really

[brittle tulip]

are the m30s any good? i have the sega licensed wired saturn controller. its ok

[wise brook]

i love them

[gloomy hedge]

theyre actually the best

2.4ghz for least input lag

also if retrofighters could make a good dpad maybe we could talk but they cant

[brittle tulip]

I just get annoyed with having to charge everything

[gloomy hedge]

unless somehow they figure this one out

[brittle tulip]

i have the retro fighters dreamcast controller. it feels good

[gloomy hedge]

dude just plug it in

[wise brook]

those retrobit have an unaddressed issue with battery drain and it’s wild they can’t stop it

it’s been 6 years

[gloomy hedge]

retrobit also get wired

wired always, retrogaming wireless is hilarious

I mean its cool but its like I dunno sort of defeating the point for me

[wise brook]

my 8bitdo wireless and an oled is good enough for beating most classics

[brittle tulip]

so you can just play with it plugged into the USB?

[gloomy hedge]

yeah im a shmup player so my dpads have to be absolutely perfect

[gloomy hedge]

yeah my m30 2.4ghz is always wired

its faster wired than the M30 bluetooth

and also wireless but thats a different metric

[gloomy hedge]

yeah for sure its not a huge deal it just depends on how many other factors you have with the input lag

[wise brook]

gonna see how well i can handle punchout with the latency

[gloomy hedge]

Ive beaten mike tyson on all my controllers

if I cant beat mike, something is wrong

either the screen, the emulator, the controller, something is off

thats my first input lag test

I do it with handhelds as well haha

thats why I returned hte powkiddy day 1

its not just the input lag but its also dpad accuracy, I dont want false diagonals

[gloomy hedge]

this one?

[brittle tulip]

yup

[gloomy hedge]

yeah its aight, the dpad aint good enough for me tho

[brittle tulip]

my n64 usb controllers d pad arent the best either. i dont notice it on any other controller, but the n64 one

[gloomy hedge]

knockoffs or nintendo ones?

I hear ya

[brittle tulip]

knockoffs

[gloomy hedge]

the one on the nintendo online ones feel fine but obviously not good compared to an m30 or saturn pad

[brittle tulip]

https://www.amazon.com/Classic-Controller-iNNEXT-Joystick-Raspberry/dp/B07449HLKJ?th=1

[gloomy hedge]

they're stiff, kinda like a big boy to the snes pad

yeah I dont have the knockoffs so cant comment on that, but my point is simply that the M30 dpad is the best one out there peeeeriodt

in #2 I'll say a genuine saturn pad which is not too worn out but htats hard to find

and #3 retrobit wired pad

[brittle tulip]

gotcha. i guess one more controller cant hurt lol

[gloomy hedge]

lol

its up to you and the games you play

shmup games are really demanding on precision

[brittle tulip]

i have the retrobit saturn controller. its fine

[gloomy hedge]

for fighting games I use a stick anyways

oh yeah then dont upgrade, no need to

unless it breaks

[wise brook]

i hope Sega Saturn gets an NSO controller in japan only that i’ll have to import for several hundred dollars

[gloomy hedge]

Fucking lmao

This is literally right now on my floor

Just an orgy of Saturn shit

[lofty spire]

the N64 controller just likes to watch 🙂

[wise brook]

i have that mess, just slightly hidden by my ikea draws

[gloomy hedge]

Oh yeah the one thing that retrobit is better than m30 for is for brook adapter for PS2

Retrobit black on the floor is in PS2 via brook and input lag is much much better

[wise brook]

oh hasn’t Addons got some replacement pcb for plugging saturn into MiSTer?

[rich violet]

They're great, yeah

[wise brook]

i’m doubt the shoulder buttons will be as good as original ones tho

that button is really bespoke

[gloomy hedge]

you mean the mouse clicks lol

I got a couple 8bitdo pcbs , yeah first thing you notice is the triggers

but why wouldnt you jhust get a reflex adapt or somethin>

for mister why would you go pcb route

[wise brook]

there the ones i’m think of, forgor the branding

[gloomy hedge]

my point is

if you have a real saturn pad, and a mister, probably worthit to get snaccy

the reason I flipped the pcbs on my real saturn pads was because I wanted them to work with switch, back in the day

pre-m30

now m30 rules all

[wise brook]

the snac adapters have one weak point, the chineseium saturn controller port

my god i wish i had a dead saturn motherboard to harvest an original from

[high bramble]

That's one bad moogerfooger.

[gloomy hedge]

I have a moogerfooger

[gloomy hedge]

oh yeah?

I think the best option is always m30 for mister, saturn pad for saturn and we walk

[high bramble]

That's what I was referring to. 😏

[midnight laurel]

Finally tried ST-V core (unstable-nightlies), and when I got to the part to assign input for a specific game, the controller doesn't seem to be assign correctly. When I assigned the coin button, for some reason the test button gives me coins...and coins button I assigned give me the test input. I also cannot start any game, even though I assigned it on my controller. Are the buttons setup still WIP? or am I doing something wrong?

[gloomy hedge]

on MOOGER FookER thats in the picture hahahahaa

[wise brook]

haven’t seen you round here before, have you got the basics down? setup the controller in main?

[high bramble]

Sure you're using the absolute latest MRAs with the most recent button changes?

[wise brook]

yeah

[high bramble]

Yeah?

[gloomy hedge]

?!!

[wise brook]

何！

[pearl cloak]

100% the same thing happens to me down to the test button. I did find that some games I can map controls to but most I can't. Going to try to download it all again and give it another go.

[gloomy hedge]

before I get OOH banned

[midnight laurel]

The buttons were working for me correctly on the unstable release from 2.26 (I think), then I replaced it with the latest build, and they don't work correctly anymore for some reason... Is there a newer MRA release I don't know about?

[pearl harbor]

I have two, one black and one white. Haven't had any issues with either of them.

[river river]

release 8 is the latest https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/releases/tag/release8

[high bramble]

Release 8, yes. There were some under-the-hood button arrangement changes that required new MRAs.

[wise brook]

the AI in STV Othello is brutal btw

[pearl cloak]

that did the trick, thanks!

[tacit viper]

Mine shipped today!

[visual grove]

How waku waku is it?

[pearl harbor]

Same.

[tribal burrow]

love the look of this and the reported latency numbers. .. but yeah I have an M30

[tight haven]

Love seeing that Batman Forever is now playable! Super cool. Is there a trick to getting audio to work, or is that maybe still getting worked out?

[upper dust]

It'll need a special board just for audio, so probably not going to have audio any time soon

[clear condor]

In the meantime, there's a Saturn port

[worn nest]

Thank you for all your help with Superstars. Best game on st-v imo

[kindred sundial]

are the links in unstable-nightlies not working for anyone else? When I click them a new tab opens but nothing is downloading. Never experienced this before so not sure if its just a me and my browser thing

[kind bough]

the last 4 links in #unstable-nightlies download OK here

[kindred sundial]

cool thanks I'll try restarting my pc and using a different browser

[kind bough]

just in case

[kindred sundial]

thanks!

[pearl harbor]

I forgot all about this one, but I remember it being brought up a long time in the early testing of the Saturn core. That fan translation version of J.B. Harold: Blue Chicago Blues has the video bug where selecting a scene plays the audio, but not the video. Honestly not sure if it's a bug with the fan translation itself, or an issue with the Saturn core. Can anyone else test on their end?

[ancient fractal]

It is intended behaviour that some scenes are audio + still image while others are fmv

[river wing]

@gloomy hedge I also use M30 3.4G with the MiSTer now, but... Does it happen to you that the pad needs like 3-4 seconds to start responding after you get to the MiSTer menu and also when you load a core?
I use it via the wireless 2.4G adapter included.

[gloomy hedge]

So to be real with you, I am wired only for retro gaming where possible... But I don't have that issue

There is an issue I have with the 2.4ghz wired on PC where if it's connected when I turn on the PC that it stays in charging mode and glitches out so I have to disconnect the cable and reconnect it on pc

That mode where it glitches actually somehow fucked with games and shit it's funny. The red charging light is on and it's connected via wired. That's how I know it's fucky. You want the green light when it's wired

[river wing]

Well, you can't have that issue if you're wired 🙂

[gloomy hedge]

Haha yeah. My stuff is all like in front of my face, wireless does me no good

[burnt matrix]

Wireless > Wired

[gloomy hedge]

You probably think automatic is better than stick shift too

[burnt matrix]

It is

[gloomy hedge]

Knew it

[burnt matrix]

Also tank controls better than regular controls

[wise brook]

i was surprised at how few Americans learned how to drive manual

[celest lake]

speak your truth robby

[wise brook]

then you see a video compilation of car jackings where the perp can’t drive it away due to stick shift

[celest lake]

honestly it is probably one of the best anti-theft devices here in the states

[wise brook]

an education

[gloomy hedge]

Must have been Robby, classic Robby deterrent

[gloomy hedge]

Doesn't stop em from grabbing the cat tho

[celest lake]

I think only VW still ships stick cars in the US?

[gloomy hedge]

Nah there's lots of sticks still

[celest lake]

really?

I was looking for a stick car about a year ago and it was like just the GTI…or maybe there was a honda thing too

[gloomy hedge]

Yes really 😅 Toyota GR, Civic, Subaru Impreza (the WRX variant), I mean it's only sport cars that come with stick

[celest lake]

oh right the WRX

Isn’t the GR tiptronic?

[gloomy hedge]

I'm referring to the 86

I dunno about the GR Corolla but if it doesn't have a stick then it's dead to me

Mustangs had stick variants in 2024 at least

And of course the monster escort rs but they don't make that any more

Miata has stick as well

[celest lake]

yeah, would make sense that it’s all sports cars

[gloomy hedge]

That would then include the fiat 124 so on and so forth

Because I have to share with wife my golf R is dual clutch auto

Would have loved the stick but that's why I have my trusty old Miata.

Oh mini Should still come in stick?

I mean if you're looking for a common solid economy box with stick, that is no longer a thing, true

[celest lake]

Yes, they do. We had one for a while. I will never buy one of those again

[gloomy hedge]

I've had two, loved both of them. Both cooper standard. Sold the second one for a 86, sold that for a golf R, and recently got the Miata cuz need fun car.

[celest lake]

We had a Cooper S that was great for like 2 years, then it was just in and out of the shop until we sold it. Typical BMW experience :p

[gloomy hedge]

Totally

The S ones are quick. Doesnt surprise me. I didn't like the new bulky ones. My 2003 was perfect

It wasnt an S but I used to cruise control at 100 mph on the way to client site.

It was so light and quick.

Eventually had to replace the clutch and then I sold it before anything BIG started going wrong, around 120k miles

I'm sure @burnt matrix drives a prius

Wonder if Sega ever made a car

[burnt matrix]

Nah I drive a minivan lmao

[wise brook]

while we’re on car talk, what kinda vehicle woul you need to safely move a japanese candy cab

[burnt matrix]

Probably a minivan tbh

[wise brook]

there’s a guy a mere 12 miles away selling an astro city

i’m sorely tempted

[gloomy hedge]

I just bought a cab btw

But it's getting professionally delivered cuz it's in SC

[gloomy hedge]

You could get away with something like a Honda element

I know at least two arcade head folks that have elements that used them to grab cabs

They're heavy tho, so even getting it in and out you'll probably need two to 3 people

[wise brook]

looks like a land/range rover

[gloomy hedge]

The element?! Lol no but sure

I have an issue with mine that I'll deal with when it gets here. It's too big for the doorways to my basement. 😔

[wise brook]

my bro-in-laws mini van should be up to the task

[wise brook]

they’re all suv’s right?

[gloomy hedge]

Element is tiny, range Rover is huge

SUVs have changed in size a lot these days. True SUVs are rare

They don't make the element sized ones any more. For a good example look at the rav 4 over the years.