Sega Saturn

[somber jacinth]

Hmm? I'm not near my mister
I downloaded the file pinned and unzipped and copied it to _arcarde. I copied the rbf to the arcade folder. Roms and stv bios to the mame folder. Do they need to be in a separate stv folder or straight into the mame folder ?

[old pasture]

_STV folder with arcade folder that has MRA files.

[somber jacinth]

I don't specifically remember any mra files I thought that's what I downloaded from the GitHub page

[old pasture]

Select them from arcade on osd.

[somber jacinth]

So I don't select the Saturn core that I placed in the mame folder?

[old pasture]

I'm hoping to work on a tutorial video later.

[old pasture]

Nah, load via MRA

[somber jacinth]

Awesome. I think I need it lol.

[old pasture]

By selecting it from arcade in osd

[old pasture]

I'm hoping I dont F it up 😂

[somber jacinth]

Ok I'll have a look at my memory card when I can and see what the hell I've placed where lol

[somber jacinth]

Nah mate I got faith in you bro

[old pasture]

@pearl harbor I sent you a DM

[wise brook]

https://www.segasaturnshiro.com/2025/02/19/english-patch-for-mobile-suit-gundam-is-out-now/

woo!

[burnt matrix]

Saturn fans, why is there a custom patch program required just for Saturn games? I mean I'll play ball, I've got it installed and I don't mind using it at all. But why do that instead of using xdelta or whatever else is out there?

If the answer is "because they want to", I totally don't mind. They make the patches, they call the shots. I was just curious is all.

@winter phoenix ^

[wise brook]

The Saturn patcher utilities is really good tho?
You can put your original disk into a PC and the software will apply a patch file to your very own game

[burnt matrix]

Yeah it's really good!

[wise brook]

As well as a whole bunch of Saturn, specific features such as region patching, etc

You’re not gonna get that on LIPS

[burnt matrix]

ohhhhhh

Like it autopatches the region or it applies different patch per region?

sorry for all the questions, I always wondered and finally I'm in a community of super smart Sega fans where I can ask lol

[winter phoenix]

The SSP does not rely on specific rips of a game, so it's less picky than Xdelta. SSP also can include metadata linking the patch back to its SegaXtreme resource page so the patcher can let you know whether the patch you're about to apply is out of date. Additionally, the patcher can display a readme file if one is included in the patch. It also has some options for how you want to make your patch, like making it region free (might break some ODEs or emulators or whatever), separating tracks (not separating tracks might break some ODEs/emulators), saving the files in whatever file format you want (BIN/CUE, CCD, whatever), etc.

[burnt matrix]

Holy shit that's awesome!

[winter phoenix]

yeah, it's good. you just have to install .NET 5.0 on your system, which some people have a hard time with.

[burnt matrix]

So it's nothing specific to how the games need to be patched because they're Saturn games. It's because they saw an opportunity to deliver a better experience?

[winter phoenix]

the SSP also lets patch makers very easily make new patches by just dragging and dropping edited files onto the program and clicking a button to have it make the patch

[winter phoenix]

I believe it does accomodate for Saturn-specific quirks with CD file structure, too

[burnt matrix]

This all makes a ton of sense, thank you.

[winter phoenix]

That part isn't perfect, but the developer has been busy with other stuff and hasn't gotten around to totally fixing it

[burnt matrix]

As an ignoramous, the patcher seems pretty perfect to me lol

[winter phoenix]

He's had to make bespoke versions of SSP to accomodate certain games that people wanted to make patches for

[burnt matrix]

that's wild, wow

[winter phoenix]

when the original games are formatted in weird ways

[burnt matrix]

So I didn't know about all the features it supports. Sounds like it should be the standard for patching.

As an end user, it's a very nice tool and the features it brings are huge quality of life improvements.

@winter phoenix My two cents, the benefits of SSP should be made more clearly. Or maybe it is and again, I'm an ignoramous lol.

Or maybe that doesn't matter at all. Just speaking for myself but I just always assumed they did it that way because they wanted to.

So I was like, whatever, guess I'll install yet another program lol.

[winter phoenix]

Gotta read through the readme updates, I suppose https://segaxtreme.net/resources/sega-saturn-patcher.73/updates

[burnt matrix]

Yeah true, I've made zero effort to educate myself on it lol.

@winter phoenix if you ever want someone to gush about how amazing Sega is and how they're sorry for not being there when Sega needed their fans the most, I'm your guy.

[winter phoenix]

haha sounds good. TBF I abandoned Sega, too, going from Genesis to N64 back in the day ...

if they'd made Sonic 3D Blast and VectorMan 2 Saturn exclusives, though, I would have been a Saturn owner Christmas 1996

[burnt matrix]

you got a Dreamcast tho, right????

[winter phoenix]

nope, GameCube 😆

[burnt matrix]

DAMNIT DAN

you are my SEGA SENPAI

[winter phoenix]

They released the DC less than two years after I got my N64, I couldn't justify asking my parents for a new console so soon! By the time I was ready for a new one, DC was dead 😦

[burnt matrix]

Well, you dodged a bullet. It was an amazing two years but also literally just two years lol.

And most of the best games got ported to other consoles anyways.

[winter phoenix]

yep. I bought a few of those for my GC, too (Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 and Skies of Arcadia)

[haughty dove]

Buying a Saturn for Vector Man 2 and 3D Blast would have been hilarious in hindsight.

Almost as funny as me buying a PSP because all of the Mega Man X games were supposed to be getting remakes.

Or me buying a 3DS for Mega Man Legends 3.

Or me kickstarting Mighty Number 9… wait, why am I a fan of this shitty franchise?!

[pearl harbor]

Only if you have a PC! Us Mac users get a kick in the nutz!

[wise brook]

can’t you use something like wine or proton?

[patent ingot]

Where is this zip of STV MRA files? not seeing it pinned?

I see now

https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA

[pearl harbor]

Eh, when I can't patch myself, I just wait for the romantic place that's no longer romantic, but is totally still the same romantic place to do it for me.

[high bramble]

Many would say the same about the 3DO. 😉

[burnt matrix]

Ok I’ll do a proper post that links that and provides instructions.

Thanks for commenting on that, it helped identify an issue.

** 𝐒𝐚𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧 𝐓𝐢𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐕𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐨 **

Script to grab latest ST-V MRAs and core - [LINK]

Manual ST-V Installation:

1. Download latest single or dual sdram ST-V core - [LINK]
2. Copy the ST-V core RBF to /media/fat/_Arcade/cores and name it ST-V.rbf
   3 Download latest MRAs - [LINK]
3. Extract the ST-V MRA folder to /media/fat/_Arcade
4. Acquire your own stvbios.zip (from 0.258 rom set or later') plus ST-V mame roms and add them to /media/fat/games/mame
5. Launch any ST-V MRA to play a game.

List of differences between ST-V and Saturn games - [LINK]

(huge thanks to @warped saddle for putting together all the MRA files for the ST-V games and @river river for making the script!)

[high bramble]

We're doing our part to build a better mod. 💪

Robby Austin, the Six Million Dollar Mod

[wise brook]

STV this and MRA that,
y’all should get yourselves some MSG (Mobile Suit Gundam) and play a brand new fan translation

[supple vine]

I just had a problem with : in some filenames. For example Puzzle & Action: BoMulEul Chajara (JUET 970125 V2.00K).mra. It might be good not to use this character.

[upper dust]

I have underscores on those files

[high bramble]

Colon shouldn't even be allowed for file names on Windows. Perhaps an ALT code was used... or the files were created on Linux?

[upper dust]

Or changed during a transfer

[patent ingot]

For those curious here are all the STV BIOS compatible games in mame format, not all will be compatible with this core without their associated hardware such as the print stuff and MRA.

[wet hull]

Nice to see you around @patent ingot

[patent ingot]

Kinda back brother!

[old pasture]

Video done. Thanks all

[patent ingot]

Always in 100% with Arcade

[old pasture]

Weird thing though. On one of my misters cotton games, guardian frorce, VF kids wont start

I tried a different MiSTer and they worked (as shown in tutorial video)

No idea what the issue is

only one core in aracde, same MRA pack and roms

[wise brook]

can you swap your sdcard over

[old pasture]

I could, but not right now

Actually scratch that, Im curious brb

deffo something on the SD card

no idea what though

[wise brook]

config files perhaps

i had an issue where the saturn core kept crashing on boot

[patent ingot]

You guys figure out the STV BIOS EPR-2360 issue? Difficult sorting through multiple bios with just to find a japanese one.naming convention is not helpful without peeping each .zip 😄

[old pasture]

possibly. I'll delete it and try it again next time

[wise brook]

had to delete controller configs to clear the issue

[high bramble]

Perhaps different stvbios.zip files?

[old pasture]

thanks

[old pasture]

same on both

[high bramble]

You probably copied everything needed to both systems at the same time, so I guess it's safe to assume the content is identical on both...

[upper dust]

mine are all in one zip, including 23603

[old pasture]

I hope the tutorial does help people.

[old pasture]

Nah, the tutorial was fresh on a MiSTer i probably did not boot up since last year.

[patent ingot]

yea that's preferred, seemingly not all are that way

[old pasture]

All the games shown in the video were filmed after the tutorial

[upper dust]

yeah I had to hunt it down

[celest lake]

thanks again for doing that, PCN. It will help

videos make it easier for folks

[old pasture]

Appreciate your help. Thanks for pins tip. I mentioned it in the video.

[celest lake]

@burnt matrix You should add this to the pins: https://youtu.be/kQWO9GBmclc

[high bramble]

Everything necessary should be in the latest MAME 0.274 stvbios.zip file.

It's probably been that way for several versions. I'd have to check the Rollback ROMs set to see when it was last modified/updated.

[celest lake]

and now I will use PCN"s video to set this up on my mister because I haven't done that yet

[ripe valley]

A test build for people who wants SFZ3 once more.

I have partially reverted the SCU changes but that've might reverted also Asuka 120%.
I can't fix the VDP2 at the moment and will see with srg320.

[old pasture]

If I get back from work early enough tomorrow. I may live stream on dual ram, as I haven't tried that version yet.

[celest lake]

I have STV up and running thanks to PCN

[strong zephyr]

Anybody recently play Arcade Gears Vol. 4 - ImageFight & XMultiply (Japan)? when play x-multiply, the score is not fully displayed but it is partially in the overscan on the bottom of the screen, on the top of the game there seems to be to much space. Hmm then again i also see this in emulation, so guess is it a game issue. This is running latest stable core, after running update all today. connection hdmi.

[burnt matrix]

Done, when I get a chance I'll also add instructions to the pins

[ripe valley]

Original game issue.

I have some game captures from an original system, as I had the same question in the beginning of the core development.

[strong zephyr]

I actually tried searching but not hard enough, thanks for confirming

[tribal needle]

SFZ3 is working again with this core.

[ripe valley]

I've tested the core before sharing it and I was 99% sure the SCU was in fault here.

The VDP chips and the SMPC one could not do that kind of freezes.

[green pebble]

Is STV not going to go into update_all?

[wise brook]

that would require the update all core to have stv functionality no?

we are not at that point yet

although we are surprisingly close already

specifically that the next revision on update all will ideally only come out once the stv games all work

[clear condor]

except probably Batman

(unless maybe Batman could be stubbed out with less than 1% of the FPGA space)

[green pebble]

Batman is a suprisingly good game, but you can always play the Saturn version.

[burnt matrix]

There’s a Batman Saturn game?

[burnt matrix]

Just read up on it, seems ok.

[wise brook]

ok out of 10

[tribal burrow]

STV seems to be Sergiy's main focus now eh. I wonder when the main Saturn parts will get buttoned up further.

Excited to eventually try STV stuff when I have time though.

[wise brook]

sort of true, but only in a perceptive sense

the increasingly few bug fixes for the saturn library are all that’s left

but a small fix on the stv side yields a lot of immediate results

[tribal burrow]

that's true yeah

[wise brook]

it’s so incredibly close to done

a couple of linux side conveniences, a couple of fpga side fixes and boom

then MVG can make another one of his impossible core videos lasting 10:01 for that sweet sweet ad revenue

https://tenor.com/view/circle-of-life-gif-7970530

[green pebble]

Yeah, on PSX too. It's based on a terrible movie, but as a beat'em up, it's pretty good. I'd say a strong 7/10 for a beat'em up.

That being said, I only have the arcade one, I just assume the SS/PSX ones are a direct port, maybe with different music

[burnt matrix]

Ok, pins reordered and I added a walkthrough on getting STV games to run (mostly copied from the GitHub repository)

[radiant karma]

Anyone tried the latest princess crown 0.9v translation? I had 0.85 working, but 0.9v won't boot for me in the core. I just replaced the old cue and patched bin with the new ones. Maybe I am missing something?

[wise brook]

maybe,

try out some of zets core builds just in case

different seeds and fitter settings

[somber jacinth]

Wow that was fast! I'll be following this later when I get time 💪

[pearl harbor]

Works fine on my end.

[loud whale]

It works for me. I have also tested the EX version and so far no issues at all

[somber jacinth]

STV working well, thanks to everyone who contributes to this core, and big thanks to PCN for the tutorial Video.

[vestal night]

Please tell me, are there any games that were released ONLY on the STV platform, which were not on the home saturn?

[wet hull]

Dynamite Baseball (1996)
Dynamite Baseball '97 (1997)
Heisei Tensai Bakabon Susume! Bakabons (1996)
Sport Fishing 2 (1996)
Stress Busters (1996) 
Sando-R (Sando-Rettō)
Othello Shiyouyo (1998)
Pro Mahjong Kiwame S (1996) 
Name Club Ver. 2.0 (1997) 
Elan Doree: Legend of Dragon Knights (1998)

Also note that the arcade version has differences between console vs arcade

for example, groove on fight is better on STV vs console

[analog garden]

This (pointing to Toyas post) 👆 Also I think its worth noting here the STV games used Chiptune where as the Saturn used CD Audio. I heard some of the ST-V games were even ports from Saturn like RSG.

[wet hull]

Radian Silvergun is better on stv vs console

[vestal night]

Oh, thank you very much, it will be interesting to check, otherwise I could not understand the meaning of this STV, now it will be interesting to test and compare.

[wet hull]

STV vs Console

Groove On Fight

-   Higher resolution graphics with better sprite detail.
-   Faster gameplay with no slowdown or input lag.
-   Instant transitions between rounds (Saturn has loading times).
-   Saturn version has extra characters, but the trade-off is lower performance.

----------

Radiant Silvergun

-   Better sprite clarity and smoother animations.
-   No load times vs. Saturn version.
-   Some sound effects were compressed on Saturn.
-   Saturn version has an extra mode (Story Mode) but is slightly slower in spots.

----------

Cotton 2

-   Better enemy sprite clarity and less sprite flickering.
-   Smoother scrolling and performance.
-   Saturn version has minor slowdown in busy scenes.
-   Load times exist on Saturn but not on ST-V.

----------

Cotton Boomerang

-   Faster gameplay speed compared to Saturn.
-   Saturn version has loading times before levels.
-   Smoother frame rate on ST-V.

----------

Final Fight Revenge

-   Saturn version is slightly slower due to hardware limitations.
-   ST-V has smoother frame rates and no loading screens.
-   Sound quality is better in ST-V.

----------

Shienryu

-   Arcade version has better colors and sharper visuals.
-   Saturn version has slight sprite compression.
-   Minor slowdown on Saturn in busy scenes.
-   Load times exist on Saturn but not on ST-V.

----------

Astra Superstars

-   More fluid animation.
-   Faster and smoother combat.
-   Saturn version has frame skips and minor slowdown.
-   Loading between fights on Saturn.

[lone mural]

Suiko Enbu

Sluggish in Saturn

Fast and very fun in Stv

[burnt matrix]

This is great, thank you!

[muted cradle]

Still better than the RS Extra hack?

[visual grove]

Hmm wonder if some of that’s just an STV collector making shit up in a forum 😜

(other than load times of course)

[warped saddle]

extra also has ST-V version

[muted cradle]

Thus I am fine with just the console version?

No need to play it separately on ST-V?

[somber jacinth]

This core is worth the cost of a mister alone. So good. Keeps getting better.

Got my STV setup on a separate memory card along with my Sinden setup.

[burnt matrix]

I mean, if the differences noted above doesn’t bother you then yeah. They sure as hell don’t bother me so I’ll just keep playing the Saturn versions.

[old pasture]

Thanks Toya

I may quote these in a stream 😉

[floral saddle]

Load times aside I'm not seeing any differences in STV Astra Superstars compared to Saturn. https://youtu.be/xylnr-YdBQc?feature=shared

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/365

Another feature , not a bug @ripe valley 🙂

[burnt matrix]

LOL that's awesome

MiSTer wins again!

[visual grove]

Robby does his “it happens on hardware” end zone dance

(there’s a lot of tea bagging)

[ancient fractal]

Astra Superstars is one of those titles that will use extra cartridge RAM if detected, so the note about smoother animation probably reflects running the Saturn version on a stock console

[ancient surge]

Final Fight Revenge and Cotton 2 also use expanded RAM

[winter phoenix]

Cotton 2 only uses it for extra voice clips

Final Fight Revenge requires 4 MB of expanded RAM just to run, though

[ripe valley]

I don't have my original hardware accessible, so I didn't checked by myself.

Classified, one more down.

[naive whale]

was just checking out Mobile Suit Gundam translation. Fun stuff. Makes WAY more sense haha

[clear condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRv-m-MzZr8

It's ok on paper but delightfully unhinged in practice

[neon python]

Ah, the Robin Kicks Things game

[burnt matrix]

holy shit they go super saiyan LMAO

HE SHRINKS

LMAO

[neon python]

yeah, the game is straight busted

[burnt matrix]

omg this game is amazing

WTF

[neon python]

just wait for the boss fights

[naive whale]

Batman Forever: The Meth Game

[burnt matrix]

this dude's combos are INSANE

[neon python]

I love that Batman is DEFINITIVELY the worst character to pick in a Batman game

Awful Block at GDQ events are often the best parts

[burnt matrix]

HE CLONES HIMSELF

This game is INCREDIBLE

[neon python]

50 Robins Kicking, the lost line in the 12 Days Of Christmas

[burnt matrix]

Dude I would've had a blast with this game if I saw it in the arcades

lol you fight an actual bat

[neon python]

I bet you can find a cab somewhat cheap

it's not a "must have" 😉

[burnt matrix]

LOL Jim Carrey Riddler doing the stanky strut

OMG

Riddler's death is hilarious

[neon python]

The game is completely unhinged

[burnt matrix]

ok I'll stop spamming the chat

[neon python]

What if Cocaine made a game: By Acclaim

[burnt matrix]

sorry

I went from reading about the game and going "sounds ok" to this being my most hyped STV game to play

[neon python]

I need a stream of you playing this for the first time

[burnt matrix]

it'll just be me laughing like an idiot, going "WHAT THE HELL" and yelling made up terms for every Robin combo

"ROBIN WITH THE SLOPPY JALOPPY"

[neon python]

That's all it needs to be!

[burnt matrix]

"ROBIN GIVING RIDDLER THE OLE TURNSTYLE TWISTER"

[neon python]

This sounds like the best stream ever

[clear condor]

This is why the extra hardware to get this game working might actually be worth it

||spank me||

[patent ingot]

Naw, STV was built towards higher end arcade CRT Monitors, audio, and controls compared to their console counterpart.

[visual grove]

Yeah just skeptical because I have an STV and Saturn and have never noticed much difference for the STV games

By much I mean any

But haven’t done side by side

[patent ingot]

Yea , you're not wrong to feel that way, really need to nerd out to notice haha.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah well I don't have a Saturn or an STV and I can tell you, the differences are vast. Don't need to own the hardware to do research my friend!!

Sorry I wasn't making fun of anyone other than people who don't know stuff just regurgitating info, which I sometimes do, so I guess I'm making fun of myself

[patent ingot]

Running Saturn games and STV versions on an arcade through Mistercade, we can really see the difference

[floral saddle]

Is the resolution different?

[patent ingot]

sharper more detailed

[visual grove]

STV monitor is just a 15khz standard res tube 240p/480i

[floral saddle]

I don't see how unless stv has a higher resolution.

[patent ingot]

LIke i said, you need to nerd out on the details

[floral saddle]

That doesnt address my query.

[visual grove]

Candy cabs in Japan would have been all over the map monitor wise but in the best case MS8 or MS9 on Toshiba tubes which will look similar to a D series or a pvm for ms8

[patent ingot]

Run shienryu. regardless of 15khz dispplay, pixels are compressed on Satrun version

[floral saddle]

Do you mean the sprites are lower quality?

[patent ingot]

ive tested on both a Capcom Minicute and a Sega New AstroCity. its clear as day

[unkempt thistle]

I've got an og astro with an ms9, looks the same to me lol

[floral saddle]

Again that doesn't answer my question.

[serene thunder]

I was curious if the backgrounds look less pixelated in arcade Astra SS

[visual grove]

But I suspect reported differences are subjective monitor / calibration differences unless someone can find documentation there are diffs

[unkempt thistle]

Now the no load times? Hell yeah

[patent ingot]

this also

[patent ingot]

It will never be answered until you see for yourself.

[floral saddle]

That makes no sense whatsoever

Either the assets are of a lesser quality or they arent.

[patent ingot]

what does compressed mean?

[ancient surge]

It's kind of funny that you can tell when a game was ported from the ST-V to the SEGA Saturn for the simple fact the file sizes on the disc are really small.

[serene thunder]

Good ole redbook music

I'm psyched to try this STV stuff
Better than catching an STV, I always say

[visual grove]

I also suspect that some people on the arcade forums say for example Cotton 2 looks better on STV because they spent $800 on it and then realized it’s just the Saturn version 😜

[floral saddle]

I wanna try guardian force with trap15's input latency reduction patch, wanted to give that a go for a long time.

[serene thunder]

You wrote that exactly as I was trying to remember that game name

Love the lasers

[clear condor]

Batman Forever has a dedicated sound board, which apparently means the ST-V sound quality is higher - but that's also why it doesn't work 👹

[serene thunder]

Yeah the Batman arcade hardware is wacky

As is the game

[patent ingot]

funny it can be true for some, if they say it performs better alongside their sentiment, then i'm 100% on their side 😄

its does perform better

[visual grove]

Yeah no load times is best part of arcades

Until you get to systems with load times but that’s about where I stop caring

[wet hull]

To say ”no differences” is wrong lol

No loading times is a big deal

[serene thunder]

Is it possible for regular Saturn core to implement the fast loading possible with Saroo carts

[patent ingot]

Diehard/deka dynamite also feels smoother still clunky controls on STV arcade version.

[visual grove]

Oh yeah there are differences just not sure visual fidelity is one of them without proof

[serene thunder]

I'm curious to see Radiant S in action on STV

IIRC it uses the three-button controls by default?

[patent ingot]

visuals are those that are affected by compression/ less on screen sprites, and slow downs related to 1:1 on screena ccuracy, not so much gameplay haha

[visual grove]

Yeah doesn’t have the Saturn load transition problems

Wonder how much the carts cost to make back then

[patent ingot]

at the end of they i';m fucking happy we get STV on Mister. hopefully we'll see Sony and Namco's PS1 arcade soon

[wet hull]

Groove on fight is another example

[wet hull]

Yes!

[floral saddle]

japan region is three button, all else use two which sounds horrible!

[warped saddle]

radiant silvergun uses different controls based on region

yeah, 2 button RS lol

you just don't have access to some weapons

[serene thunder]

Trackball RS, why not

or rotary with one button!

[floral saddle]

Reading shmups forum and other posts on shienryu and everyone is saying graphicly stv is the same as saturn in tate mode...

[serene thunder]

hehe

[visual grove]

Yeah the best part is not having to change anything to get tate

Though shienryu is one of the ones that saves tate I think on Saturn

It was only like two games the others you have to change to tate every time which is pretty annoying in a cab setup

So STV is great to be a no bullshit arcade setup

[patent ingot]

Im curious how large of a CRT they are running it on, everything looks great at 20" 😄

[prime hare]

That’s my homie LRock. He’s an awesome arcade streamer. I learn a lot of games by watching his 1CCs.

[clear condor]

He seems like a real gainer, I mean gamer

[burnt matrix]

Saturn STV MRAs were updated - https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/releases/download/release4/STV-MRA.zip

"Update MRAs for new eeprom region"

COMMENCE THE JIGGLIN' TESTIN'
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kroEiX5tkE0||

[naive whale]

lmk what else boots that didnt before

[cursive tree]

Batman didn’t work

[ripe valley]

Batman needs a special hardware (daughterboard), not done.

[visual grove]

Doesn’t seem likely if it’s 90-whatever percent full

[celest lake]

SRG finds a way

[visual grove]

Dump the scaler! (that’s always my answer even when it doesn’t help)

[ripe valley]

Like nature, srg320 always finds a way.

[celest lake]

Zet, any hint on when we will see the first 3DO test? 👀

[ripe valley]

None.

[celest lake]

[visual grove]

No 3 Dimensional Optics for you sir

[celest lake]

Ve haf ways ov makink you talk

Fighting autocorrect on that one

[visual grove]

I would prefer some 2 Dimensional Amphibians first

[kindred peak]

Robby sent it out earlier. Did he skip you, @celest lake?

[celest lake]

He does not notice me, senpai

[kindred peak]

Sucks to suck I guess

[visual grove]

Zet-sensei can be Zitz-sensei when testing battletoads

It’s nice they named them zitz, pimple and rash so the audience could relate to the characters

[celest lake]

Skill diff

[cursive tree]

Is Batman the only game that’s needs it?

[clear condor]

yeah

#1046941029296779344 message

[brittle tulip]

curious, does anyone else have the issue with the ST-V games having strange pixel artifacts in vertical lines?

[celest lake]

yeah, you need one of zet's cores

are you running single or dual ram?

[brittle tulip]

single

[celest lake]

Use this: #1046941029296779344 message

[brittle tulip]

gotcha

[celest lake]

core's getting too full, so the timings weren't met on the automatic build. Zet did a buid with stricter timings and fixed it

[brittle tulip]

i see thanks

[celest lake]

anything new booting with Zakk's v4 mras?

[tender axle]

Is it normal glitches with Astra Superstars ?

[celest lake]

are you on dual or single ram?

[tender axle]

Single

[celest lake]

Use this core: #1046941029296779344 message

[tender axle]

This one ?

[celest lake]

ya

[tender axle]

I just tried, and it's same

Could be my rom ?

[celest lake]

could be. but also could be your DE10 being more sensitive to timing stuff. Gimme a sec and I can check on this machine

[ripe valley]

Astra Superstars have a protection IC.

So the graphics are scrambled.

[tender axle]

So normal behaviour

[ripe valley]

At the moment.

[tender axle]

Oky thanks 😉

[ripe valley]

@brittle tulip For your other issue, please try #1046941029296779344 message

I've ajusted some parameters and reverted a SCU change.

[tender axle]

Other ? i think it's same no ?

[ripe valley]

I've redone a build this morning.

[tender axle]

i mean issue

[ripe valley]

I've mixed between two people having issues on the core at the moment, so sorry.

[tender axle]

😄

NP

[ripe valley]

I've now responded to everyone.

[inner kayak]

A++ on the ATHF reference

[tacit viper]

Anyone have the old retroshooter guns working?

I have it almost there but it is stuck on the vertical axis, not picking up horizontal. Using f10 doesn't help.

and yes I am using the latest unstable nightly 🙂

[wise brook]

please tell me you’ve tried turning the lights off this time

[tacit viper]

haha

nah this isnt a me thing brother

i found others posting same deal with the X axis

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-family-guy-pepperidge-farm-remember-gif-7555951312549958006

[tacit viper]

i am going to stop being lazy and just get my Gun4IR out and be done with it

just didnt want to have 2 sets of leds hooked up to my oled but tired of messing with this stuff

Sinden exp on Mister sucks, bottom line

[wise brook]

should put that on the gun4ir discord

free marketing

[tacit viper]

lol

I have them all so I feel it is unbiased

[wise brook]

why you need a second set of leds tho? are they not setup the same?

[tacit viper]

retroshooter repears are my main now

they go in every corner of the tv for a 4 setup

gun4ir goes direct center top/bottom and sides of tv

so literally the entire thing looks like there is a sensor on it :\

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/lighs-room-lights-purple-glowing-gif-27161132

behold my perfect lightgun setup

[tacit viper]

hah nice

360 baby

[winter phoenix]

wat

[prime hare]

The new Zakk MRAs fix sthe System Assignments error

[winter phoenix]

LoL

[prime hare]

A few games moved from Bootable to Playable.

None of the games went from No Boot to playable

[hallow fossil]

Do all the S-TV games that could potentially work on the core have .mras now? Are all the blank entries on the sheets ones that need weird extra hardware like funfair rides and print stations?

[wise brook]

I saw this account a few days ago, but I was concerned that talking about it would only fan some scene drama

[celest lake]

It’s dumb and the internet continues to be a mistake

[burnt matrix]

It’s a troll account, I wouldn’t pay attention to it.

[winter phoenix]

OK

I was like, what the hell is he talking about?

[burnt matrix]

Yah, I mean of course he’s wrong lol

[kindred sundial]

anyone using a guncon1 and reflex adapt as a virtual light gun for the saturn core? If so how are you pressing start to advance past main menus (area 51, house of the dead, virtua cop, etc.). The trigger, A, or B button on the guncon1 do not act as start

[visual grove]

Maybe srg320 slips a real Saturn into your house while you’re sleeping and makes it look like it’s the mister

[naive whale]

nice ill check tomorrow

[naive whale]

Nice!

[trim nimbus]

@ripe valley do you know of any good low level vcd card usage documentation? I have found a register list but no usage docs

[naive whale]

It’s a troll human 🤣

lol oh it really is a troll account. Nvm

[trim nimbus]

Takes one to know one.

[burnt matrix]

LOL true

[trim nimbus]

Never mind. Looks like I found a good resource.

[burnt matrix]

I think trying to play Funky Head Boxing killed my MiSTer’s HDMI output : (

[naive whale]

Too funky?

(Wait it actually didn’t did it?)

[pearl harbor]

Nice, lighting up the walls to ensure you never miss a spider!

[high bramble]

A true troll move would be for a troll to create their own troll parody account.
Your skill in Troll has increased (God Tier)

Trollception

[burnt matrix]

I fixed it. The latest MiSTer unstable doesn’t like my TV I think.

@naive whale I was genuinely really sad for like 10 minutes lol

[ripe valley]

I can't help too, sorry.

[naive whale]

gonna capture more STV. Is unstable main necessary or is that just for cheats?

saw we had new MRA zips but thats about it

[mortal mist]

I've had some time to look into the topic more, I'll try to do something when I get back from vacation next week.

[warped saddle]

you might want to wait a bit on ST-V. he may split the core soon

[mortal mist]

This seems to be the best option

[naive whale]

and are we still on the 2/18 core?

[celest lake]

I would grab zet's core. They are pinned

[naive whale]

perfect thanks. Missed that. Haven't paid as much attention in the last few days as usual

still just renaming it saturn.rbf and shoving it in the _arcade folder?

[celest lake]

yup yup

and grab zakk's latest MRA pack

[naive whale]

got that yesterday...perfect thanks

gonna capture in a bit

[warped saddle]

I updated them about 17 hours ago, so if you grabbed before that, update them

it adds the eeprom stuff so some of the games that require twiddling settings now just work

[naive whale]

I think I grabbed the newest set but ill grab again just so I dont annoy myself later haha

lets give it a spin

god Baku Baku Animal is creepy lol

Astra Superstars has some weird things going on

[ancient surge]

Known issue. There is copy protection for that game that isn't implemented yet, so the graphics get corrupted

[burnt matrix]

Astra Superstars has some weird things going on

[naive whale]

its a vibe. I am including it in the vid

[burnt matrix]

Sir, it’s a video game, not an emotion

[naive whale]

hmm Final Fight Revenge just seems to black screen after the patent info

maybe I misread the sheet

nope there are just two MRAs

[naive whale]

i forgot how stupid hard Golden Axe: The Duel is

Maruchan De Goo time. What a wonderful weird game

[brittle tulip]

yeah i got it going, no issues! thanks

[brittle tulip]

is it a pain to setup for mister? or is it just having to set up the LEDs?

[celest hearth]

This would be a great tutorial series for someone. A video for each type of gun setup.

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/srg320/STV-MRA

[warped saddle]

yeah, he did that to send a PR, although it's a script issue so I'll just fix that

[naive whale]

Golden Axe: The Duel got SO close to being an A+ fighting game. They just forgot to make the gameplay great

[celest lake]

Classic mistake

[tall radish]

would’ve rather they released the revenge of death adder on stv instead

[old pasture]

I can't see them pinned. I'm currently on mobile.

[old pasture]

I'd like to try this game against a human.

[naive whale]

Against the CPU it’s an impossible task

Balance is fucked

[old pasture]

It feels tough but doable.

It's definitely tougher than most fighters.

[ancient surge]

"This arcade fighting game has bullshit CPUs"

[celest lake]

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[old pasture]

Thanks man.

[celest lake]

np duder

[old pasture]

Super duper

[celest lake]

3DO WHEN SRG. 3DO WHEN

[ripe valley]

I'm launching the compilations with the Seed 10 option, just in case.

[celest lake]

thanks zet. how do we know if the timings are failing on the github side? (or do we not know until we run it)

[ripe valley]

You have a message at the end as : Timings requirements not met.

[celest lake]

does the build on github report that? or do you only see if it you’re compiling locally?

@naive whale @old pasture Might want to hold the presses. new saturn just dropped

[naive whale]

I’m not doing anything time sensitive. Just touring through games

Someone lmk if DHA is working now though 🙂 or if Astra has its corruption fixed (doubtful)

[ripe valley]

I've never checked during the compilation by the bot.

I'm at work, so I'm just launching them remotely.

[old pasture]

Thanks. Out with the family for a meal tonight. No vids today.

News video tomorrow.

I have a choice tomorrow evening

1. Go to the arcade
2. stream STV

Right now, I have no idea.

[mortal mist]

It's not such a big problem, it's worse when there are critical errors

[warped saddle]

it's kinda random sometimes tho. I had a psx build that failed with just 'timing requirements not met' and the video had a bunch of purple columns in it.

[warped saddle]

he's got ST-V to finish!

[old pasture]

Give him 15 minutes

[burnt matrix]

I’m glad he’s splintering it into its own core. That way it can be modified to function more like the other arcade cores.

[naive whale]

obs choice. Go to the arcade

[naive whale]

makes much more sense

[burnt matrix]

Do both, stream STV from the arcade

[old pasture]

I'll see how I feel tomorrow.

[naive whale]

vs an appendage of the Saturn core

[old pasture]

Haha, this is the way.

[rich violet]

Did he announce that?

[naive whale]

I dont care if you have to blow lines of ground up beans...YOU GO TO THAT ARCADE SON

[old pasture]

If I go arcade Saturday, I'll do a stream Sunday

[rich violet]

Saturn core updates have been coming very rapidly recently 🤩

[pearl harbor]

That's because he's trying to finish it asap so he can focus on the amazing 3DO!

[burnt matrix]

No, it’s being considered

[rich violet]

He's been prodigious lately with updates to SNES and 32X as well

[burnt matrix]

I think the limitations of the hardware space coupled with the remaining needs for the arcade side and console side will make that an eventuality

[warped saddle]

he basically said doing it makes the most sense since it frees up space in both cores

he may not split the repo, but just do a define that lets you build one or the other

[burnt matrix]

Oh, smart. That’s a great approach.

[warped saddle]

it might make distribution a bit more difficult so we'll see

[burnt matrix]

That’s a Zakk problem, not a Robby problem

[warped saddle]

you know what else is a Zakk problem? Robby

[burnt matrix]

Let me run update all from the main menu

[pallid pier]

going to check the regression fix for SFZ3

[old pasture]

SFZ3 = Street Fighter Zero 3?

[pallid pier]

yea

[old pasture]

That's Saturn and not STV though, right?

[pallid pier]

right

[old pasture]

Thanks. I kinda got excited, thinking there was some version of SFZ3 on STV lol

[burnt matrix]

We’re currently running a core contest. Whichever core gets the least amount of likes will no longer be developed.

[celest lake]

waiting on my hand-rolled Zet-Sensei build

[burnt matrix]

So you single ram people better get with the reaction emojis.

[warped saddle]

Robby core is cancelled

[naive whale]

What about members? Can we put you to a vote? Stop developing you?

Delete Rob AI 2025

[ripe valley]

DS version crashed on my end, I had to relaunch it manually.
Just a typical Quartus that can't do 2 cores at the same time sometimes.

[wet hull]

Yeah better to split cores

arcade cheats before console cheats wen

[burnt matrix]

@ripe valley what’s the difference between the builds you post and the automatically generated ones in #unstable-nightlies ?

[celest lake]

Zet's meet the timing requirements

the core is getting so full that the bot build on github may not (the previous unstable did not)

[burnt matrix]

Oh so that one is just a “guaranteed it will work”build?

[celest lake]

yup. basically that

the zet-sensei seal of quality

[burnt matrix]

@rich violet I noticed your first reaction to the new builds was the Ukrainian flag. That’s a really nice gesture. Thank you for being considerate.

[rich violet]

It's a very small gesture. I'm just very grateful to srg320 for all his work

[visual grove]

Sometimes I try to write but it’s too full

Praise me for trying Robby

[burnt matrix]

That’s really cool

[visual grove]

I accept your praise

[burnt matrix]

It’s funny how much personality comes out of adding a simple reaction emoji

[high bramble]

srg3D0

[pearl harbor]

The DS build is the dual ram one right?

[mortal mist]

Yes

[naive whale]

so who's testing DHA first? Ive gotta leave the house lol

[ripe valley]

It just works.

😁

[burnt matrix]

DHA?

[wet hull]

Yeah. Better to test on build compiled by user

[ripe valley]

Die Hard Arcade.

[burnt matrix]

Me am dumb

thank you

[ripe valley]

I'm on stage 4.

[wet hull]

So no bug report based on the unstable night lies

[burnt matrix]

I gotta pin that list @wet hull posted about STV improvements

[celest lake]

Does DHA have the horrible res switching on stv too?

[pearl harbor]

I'm loving the trippy lines in Astra SuperStars.

[pearl harbor]

And I can finally credit feed my way to victory in Die Hard Arcade! Take that Saturn version!

[wet hull]

Yes die hard arcade is better on stv

[ripe valley]

I've tested on the single, dual and my builds just a moment ago.
Same coherent results.

For the compatibility lists, I'm only using official unstable builds.

[pearl harbor]

Baku Baku Animal is doing good so far.

[burnt matrix]

There is a lot of info to convey on the Saturn core currently. Feel free to message me your feedback on what I can do to improve the pinned posts.

[pearl harbor]

Oh my god, Decathlete is so trippy.

I can finally Find Love.

I didn't know that Robby was playable in Funky Head Boxers!

Winter Heat looking good.

[naive whale]

Haha I put ot in a vid for next week to explain why

I told the story as to why it looks like that

It’s pretty funny as to why they designed it to corrupt w/o the protection present

[slate karma]

Are there ways to change dipswitch settings for ST-V games, at least for now?

[warped saddle]

most of the game settings are in eeprom

you have to go into the test menu, 'each game test' -> system assignments

[hollow snow]

So if Im using a usb saturn controller with no extra buttons for coin. Can I use a keyboard for that or Im assuming the s-tv being arcade games dont use all the buttons on a saturn controller. Are some of them safe to set as a coin button and never be used for s-tv?

[naive whale]

Depends on the game

Some use six buttons so I recommend using the shoulders as coin and test. But that still leaves you short the service button. You’ll need test and service to navigate the test menu effectively

Max you need is D pad + six face buttons + start + coin + test + service. So 10 buttons max

[ancient surge]

With a generic SEGA Saturn controller, you can repurpose the L and R buttons for coin, test, or service. But that means you are always one button short.

If you have one of those aftermarket controllers with the extra inputs, then yeah you can fit everything needed.

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-no-there-is-another-gif-13219422633830481682

always wanted these but the m30 has usurped it from a sheer price point

[hollow snow]

Are those really something I will use alot tho?

I never use test on arcade core and service maybe once to change settings the way I want them and never touch it again

[naive whale]

Looks like I should air this vid soon then

[hollow snow]

You are welcome 🤣

[naive whale]

Really the problem can be overcome with an OG Sega pad by just setting the games to free play too

Then the coin button is unnecessary

[hollow snow]

Ok I know others feel this way too but I hate using freeplay. Part of the arcade experience to me is popping quarters in even if its just a button. Yeah it may sound silly to some.

[tawny compass]

There's the M30 Xbox version. It has extra buttons compared to the original M30, the only drawback is that is wired (not for me though).

[hollow snow]

But I have tried just setting all the games I could to freeplay and ended up switching back for that reason

[hollow snow]

Well the saturn controller I currently used is wired

[tawny compass]

Great then. The M30 Xbox version has both start and select buttons, plus R2 and L2 triggers in the same form factor as the original M30. More that enough buttons for STV.

Another "all purpose" controller I recommend is the Hori Fighting Commander Octa, specially the Xbox version. Works wonders on N64 games.

[hollow snow]

That looks cool

[tawny compass]

I mostly use this one as my main controller for all cores, except when I need to play dual analog games on PS1 where I got a Pro2 wired Xbox version.

[wise brook]

this is a crazy request my dude

that like, an entire remake of a core from the basement level type request

and requires even more resources than the current core, which uses 99.8% of the chip

also your other issue posts are resolved

[thorn pagoda]

yeah unless there's latent pause functionality in there and srg just didn't think anyone would want it

(i dont think there is)

[tawny compass]

Sorry, did't know it was so hard to implement, seeing as other cores have it . Truly, my bad... 😩

[green swift]

Quick! Go delete it before SRG deletes the entire repository!

JK 😛

[thorn pagoda]

he can always just close it, nbd, who knows maybe he has some crazy trick up his sleave

[wise brook]

it’s essentially making a new version of the saturn architecture that can halt all functions and hold everything in ram. doable for sure on a bigger/faster chip tho

[thorn pagoda]

sometimes just halting the cpu is enough

[green swift]

I took a a break from MiSTer for a couple of weeks and GD it looks like there have been a lot of developments.

Saturn looks like it's ready for prime time? STV is approching complete?

Wild

[wise brook]

it’s so close my dude,

[thorn pagoda]

lightguns are in too

its basically finished tbh

[green swift]

Damn, nice!

[thorn pagoda]

actually @untold cloud did you PR your improved lightgun support? for the 480i stuff?

[tawny compass]

BTW, any luck with Sinden with the new unstable main?

I'm interested in getting one...

[thorn pagoda]

it wrks but you still need a custom kernel and cores

they do have a saturn core now too

[wise brook]

as soon as you can use modern analog sticks as a virtual mission stick (and its secret twin mission mode) i’ll play Panzer Dragoon until my eyes bleed

[wise brook]

@tacit viper save this man from himself

[green swift]

Man, I wish the Sinden setup was easier

[wise brook]

only kinda joking, Sinden on Saturn has given this man nothing but a headache

[green swift]

It's the ideal gun for plug and play

[thorn pagoda]

they've got a setup script now, its meant to be better

they got sorged hard when they tried to make it official

[wise brook]

hypothetically

[green swift]

Yes

Not needing an LED array is huge

[tawny compass]

That's why I'm interested; no sensors, just the gun.

[wise brook]

-# meanwhile i go round glueing leds to all my displays like an insane lightgun focused santa

[tacit viper]

Don't do it dude. The sinden cores for Saturn are really bad ATM - sound stutters, graphical glitches in thod, pita to setup, not as accurate as a gun4ir.

[wise brook]

have you gone thru the ball ache of adding/swapping out led sets?

[tacit viper]

Just to show I'm not talking out my ass

[tacit viper]

Not yet need to find some mounting tape. Sigh

I did do a jank setup just to test and it worked first try with gun4ir

[wise brook]

you know what, one of those retroshooters, with gun4ir guts would be preem

[tawny compass]

Cant find Gun4ir anywhere, just sold out

and way expensive

[wise brook]

openfire working very well too

[green swift]

Last I knew it was mostly DIY

[wise brook]

much cheaper

[green swift]

Whats that brand that has that Reaper gun?

That shit looks cool

[tacit viper]

Retroshooter

They are amazing and by far my fav gun

The recoil with 24v is so bad ass

[green swift]

The creator was in here looking for support a while back

[tacit viper]

I haven't tried them with Mister yet

[wise brook]

if you’ve got a wiimote lying around and a couple candles you can get a basic setup working right now

[wise brook]

or as i call it, gun4poor

[tacit viper]

Rofl

I dunno man they are so good

[green swift]

Does Retroshooter work on MiSTer yet?

[tacit viper]

Old guns do not

The x axis doesn't work bc you can't put them in joystick mode

Repears apparently do, I'll try tomorrow

[tawny compass]

Yeah, I'm into cleaning one I have since the battery contacts are messed up

[wise brook]

ah, alkaline strikes again

[tawny compass]

I just want a lightgun that I could use hassle free both on PC and MiSter, without breaking the bank...

[tacit viper]

Sinden is far from hassle free brother

If anything it's the biggest pita of them all

[green swift]

Yeah

I've had two Sinden's fro the very Indigogo start

I tried it on MAME once and got so annoyed that they've lived in the box since lol

[tacit viper]

I was a backer as well

They were awesome for their time but obsolete now

[green swift]

I bought two. One has never left its box.

Sad

[tacit viper]

I tried setting mine up with Mister just to use them actually

[wise brook]

i was lucky i was somewhat broke when the kickstarter was announced. i just couldn’t drop the funds needed on it.

then i did months of research on everything lightgun solution before gon4ir won me over

[green swift]

I looked into it and it still was not at the level of easy I was wanting. I hate fork cores.

[tacit viper]

The recoil on them is very good and the gun is balanced well, but the setup and the white boarder sucks when you know you don't have to have it. Sinden drivers have issues on Mister too where they partially load and you have to cold reboot it between switching cores

[wise brook]

snac8 was my first biggest disappointments on mister

made the whole reason i built an ironclad itx setup pointless

yes you can plug two neo geo controllers in with a snac adapter, but the osd is so broken with the option enabled no game can be loaded

[tawny compass]

Good lord, $250 for just the gun...

[green swift]

Yeah, forks add an extra layer of support from an additional individual. Not fun.

[radiant karma]

I use the sinden guns but really have had no big issues with it. I just use the sinden core builds, run the sinden driver and it works. Do not even need to do any calibration. I do keep an SD card just for the sinden lightgun. Haven't really updated it in months but everything works. I don't think there is a Saturn sinden build yet, it wasn't available the last time I checked their GitHub so no reason for me to update yet.

[quick sorrel]

How's the dpad? The amazon reviews say the dpad isn't good for fighting games but that's not the end all for digital controllers.

[celest lake]

I have two of these and it's fine

I have the PC version (which I think is the one folks complain about)

excited for this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DVB2JB1K

[thorn pagoda]

the original retroshooters work now, wickerwaka added it

[celest hearth]

Does mister support using the slider pad for anything? Like mouse control?

[thorn pagoda]

supports their hybrid keyboard/mouse scheme

[tacit viper]

Oh nice I'll have to see if I can find the Mister file needed.

[thorn pagoda]

you should just need the latest unstable kernel/main

[thorn pagoda]

yeah on dualshocks the touchpad acts as a mouse

[celest hearth]

Nice!

[thorn pagoda]

i wouldn't start playing point+click adventures with it or anything but its handy in a pinch

[tacit viper]

I installed the latest unstable last night and it was stuck on the Y axis, X did not work unless there is a setting you have to change.

[thorn pagoda]

kernel and main?

([thie ](#unstable-nightlies message)kernel )

[tacit viper]

Not that particular one, no. I'll give it a go, thx for the help.

[tawny compass]

Never had issues with it. I play a lot of execution heavy fighters and the dpad works great for me. I have both PlayStation and Xbox versions of the pad.

[quick sorrel]

What's better about it?

[celest lake]

wireless. 6 face buttons. "dual" analog. Feels like it may replace the m30 as the "general purpose" mister controller for me

[quick sorrel]

Ah, missed the little second stick in the pic. That's a bit smaller.

If it's for camera, I guess it'll suffice. and it'll stay out of the way of the buttons which should be nice.

100 USD? O.O

[celest lake]

yeah.....yeah :/

[tribal burrow]

The dpad on those Hori Octas seem to be very divisive based on the Amazon reviews and Reddit

I have the old fighting commander and it’s not bad but I prefer the m30

[willow pawn]

Yeah boy Die Hard Arcade STV

I think it's the only STV game I played

[slate karma]

Dual analog and 6 face buttons? Sounds like what the retro-bit Saturn pad should've been, if they hadn't botched the mapping of the c/z buttons :/

[slate karma]

I have the Xbox one, and yeah the d-pad on mine was shagged. Diagonals basically non-existent. After god knows how many hours, found the solution was to get creative with a lead pencil.

[celest lake]

Yeah, I admittedly haven’t put enough hours into to have wear and tear issues with the d-pad. it not being wireless made it less preferable to the m30

[river river]

I got bored of manually keeping the the ST-V MRAs and Saturn core symlink up to date, so I wrote this little script to do that for anyone who's interested https://gist.github.com/davewongillies/5794a63753ce25d8d5ff17f8ab7d86a7

[wise brook]

looked at the new octa controller

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-verge-of-greatness-gif-13754250

no analog triggers, no buy

everything else about it looks excellent tho

[pine bobcat]

The Octa Pro has 3 different d-pads that you can switch out

[hollow pier]

https://github.com/terminator2k2/Saturn_MiSTer/releases/tag/v0.1

if you want to try the saturn core with sinden

[somber jacinth]

Is this an update from the one last weekend?
(Which was good btw)

[hollow pier]

its been updated so it is level with the main repo

[celest lake]

this is bad ass, dave. thank you

[somber jacinth]

Awesome 👍
I'm running a desperate SD card with your core for the gun and Zets STV *Desperate SD card 😁 *Note to self Dont type whithout glasses, whilst walking the dog

[wise brook]

just running update_all with the added lines in downloaded.ini

looking good so far

[old pasture]

I think I may use an arcade stick with ST-V, since it is an arcade system.

It'll also have enough buttons.

[slate karma]

Oh, it wasn't wear and tear with this one, straight out of the box it was crap lol. But managed to fix it and now it's sweet as. Definitely getting that wireless one with dual sticks.

[somber jacinth]

Yeh im using my arcade stick and it's Sweet

[analog crane]

Hi! Although "Terra Diver" is stated to be "playable" on the compatibility list of ST-V I'm getting a black screen upon booting the cartridge. Am I missing something here? I'm using the latest nightly build

[ripe valley]

No problem at all for me on Terra Diver.

Please check your ROM files & MRAs.

Do you have the last MRAs files from Zakk (v4) ?

[analog crane]

Latest MRA? Where? I did dl them some time ago

The file doesn't say v4. I got them on the first of february

[ripe valley]

https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA

[somber jacinth]

is the latest core in unstable nightlies now?

[ripe valley]

Yes.

[analog crane]

new mra are working ...THX

[somber jacinth]

sorry i meant Your version with the timing fixes etc?

[ripe valley]

I've done just a change on the compiler the last two times and the last unstable (with the bot) seems to work even without changing the seed.
The timings aren't met on my last builds too after checking once more, but the core is working so far.

[somber jacinth]

Ah ok thank you

[wise brook]

being a complete sicko i was compelled to fire up stv pebble beach

interesting graphical glitch (maybe, i can’t exactly compare to original hardware), when you turn to aim your shot the grass textures go all flat shaded

worst of all, no Craig Stadler

[lofty spire]

nice par, let's hope you win next time 🙂

[wise brook]

woo! i’m playing an officially licensed pokémon game on sega

[tawny forge]

Is this pinned?

Because it should

[burnt matrix]

It is

#1046941029296779344 message

[wise brook]

howling with laughter watching my guy in winter heat face-plant almost immediately,

[wise brook]

Taisen Tanto-R rocks graphics glitch aside

[somber jacinth]

DH Arcade is so much better than the Saturn version. Especially good with Arcade Stick

[radiant karma]

Better in what ways? Does it still switch resolutions like crazy?

[floral saddle]

Theres a patch to help with the saturn version res switching, works well. https://segaxtreme.net/resources/die-hard-arcade-dynamite-deka-240p-patch-language-fix.368/

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/355#issuecomment-2676168249

For flickering in Grandia

Single sdram

Test core

[radiant karma]

I already use the patch on Saturn and has helped a lot. But I was wondering if the stv version has the same issues. That would be a big no for me.

[wise brook]

i wonder if it’s incorporated the ram overclock

[somber jacinth]

No it's not switching resolutions at all. Also everything seems much smoother, sound is better too imo.

[radiant karma]

Thanks! I was waiting for that game to try stv!

[ripe valley]

As I don't have the issue on Grandia, I cannot test for srg320.

DonPachi issue should be classified as invalid too, issue on user's side.

[somber jacinth]

No worries. I think it's definitely worth setting up as it's not too much trouble to do, and it's getting better all the time.

[river wing]

Note I had disconnection issues with the RetroBit Saturn Pro V2 on m RetroCastle MiSTer.
The M30 is perfect in that regard, it never ever disconnects.

[wise brook]

Just turning on fast timings when loading the game save on Grandia affects the background layer; makes it scroll much smoother.

fast timing on all versions is an improvement , going through them again one more time to see which was the best

[burnt matrix]

Has anyone ever discovered a bug with fast timings enabled?

[rich violet]

Try this build: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/355#issuecomment-2676168249

[wise brook]

for reference

[river wing]

This is a very good question..
If nobody finds a bug with this, double RAM would be irrelevant again. And I have both single and double RAM MiSTer builds, but prefer single for obvious reasons.

[rich violet]

The fast timings couldn't fix this: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/251

[mortal mist]

With fast timings I once crashed some game , unfortunately I do not remember which one , it does not repeat every time

[ancient surge]

It's more like nobody bothered to check bugs with the turbo because it's deliberately inaccurate to compensate for the RAM bottleneck.

[river wing]

Ah! Saw SRG's explanation... thanks guys

[lofty spire]

fast timings with these builds did seem to have less flickering. i had the most luck with saturn_1 but saturn_3 also seemed to work. it did not eliminate flickering but reduced it significantly. thanks 🙂

[ripe valley]

I've crashed Virtua Fighter once, with Fast timings.

[wise brook]

that’s 2 saying 1 was bestest

[celest lake]

@river river Just fyi for your script, it's throwing errors for names with colons in them error: cannot create /media/fat/_Arcade/_ST-V/_JP Bios/Puzzle & Action: Treasure Hunt (JUET 970901 V2.00E).mra Invalid argument

[warped saddle]

I corrected that in the repo, but I haven't done a zip release yet

I probably should, Batman andthose puzzle games boot now

[naive whale]

How’s the sound on Batman without the sound board? I’ve never known what sound it pivots to the additional hardware

[warped saddle]

it's just silent

at least the bit i played

done

Enjoy silent batman

[burnt matrix]

When are we getting silent Zakk

[tacit viper]

What method do you guys use to update the latest unstable nightly?

non-core, main mister

[warped saddle]

never robby, never

[clear condor]

the Batman sound board will be replaced with almost-accurate recordings of Zakk yelling RIDDLE ME THIS! at you

[serene thunder]

Can you get a partial soundtrack out of Batman?

[warped saddle]

except when Robby plays it, it'll yell YOU CAN'T RUN UPDATE ALL FROM THE TOP MENU

[serene thunder]

Can't recall if the sound board was just for HQ samples or what

I remember that cab was louddd

[clear condor]

It seems that way, maybe? The board itself looks like it might just be several big ROMs and a DSP chip

[warped saddle]

I don't recall ANY sound when I was testing, but it's probably 50/50 if i had my sound turned up at any given time

[serene thunder]

Might take some additional trickery

That game is janky af anyway

PC port: https://youtu.be/MjOKGblbc-E?si=ad7c9fMHEzHKSa9g

[naive whale]

Good to know. I wasn’t sure if it held SOME of the audio or all. I have some arcade games with additional sound boards and some put 100% of audio onto them, others will just be SFX or music so you’ll get half audio

[warped saddle]

I didn't play too much tho, was just testing MRAs so maybe it has some sound later

[old pasture]

Batman working on ST-V?

I wanna stream more than arcade.

ST-V has me excited. I tried Die Hard during the news video filming, it ran superb.

[proper spruce]

Glad ive managed to load the stv desired games 🫶🏻Thank you @warped saddle for your github notes

[high bramble]

©️SUCCESS! 😉

[old pasture]

Beautiful 😍

[zealous karma]

About the STV roms, do you put them individually in games/mame folder or in an STV folder there?

[somber jacinth]

Individual

[proper spruce]

yes sir . they are arcade games , they are mame . they should be used like any other mame zip game (games / mame )

[proper spruce]

not forget to put in games / mame the stvbios.zip & satun rbf to core folder from _Arcade folder

[stiff patrol]

and mostly they are exactly the same as the Saturn game , just with poorer music

[burnt matrix]

I have this up in the pins but here’s a list of differences between the STV and Saturn games - #1046941029296779344 message

[zealous karma]

I’m getting this when loading Baku Baku:

Region is set to Jap as the Rom is J rom

[high bramble]

Use the MRA in the JP BIOS folder.

[prime hare]

I updated the Google Sheet.
Die Hard Arcade works
Batman Forever playbable with no sound on the ST-V now.
Final Arch is now working
Mausuke no Ojama the World working now
Two of the Puzzle & Action games are now playable
Sando and BoMulEul work. Treasure does not

[zealous karma]

Baku Baku doesnt exist in the JP bios folder

[prime hare]

Baku loads up for me.

Cart STV Region Japan

[high bramble]

Oh... sorry.

[zealous karma]

I get this on loading:

[prime hare]

PMing

[zealous karma]

Thats what I have it set to

[high bramble]

That's your problem. Incorrect stvbios.zip file. Need an updated one that includes that binary inside.

[wet hull]

the error message cannot get any clearer

[zealous karma]

Got it, it was the stvbios.zip that was incomplete. Got it working now thanks

[high bramble]

It could be a little clearer. That image is a bit blurry...

[prime hare]

🤓

[wet hull]

Lol

[zealous karma]

I have CRT filters, since I´m stuck on a flat panel this weekend

[prime hare]

Batman Forever appears to be missing the KICK button

[naive whale]

Missing the right bios rom in the zip. Grab the one from the latest mame set

I checked. It’s all inclusive of all the variants

[zealous karma]

Thanks all, got it working! What an amazing core

[untold cloud]

Actually, no, not yet.

It's becoming quite hard to keep chasing all the new updates. And I have no idea how they are all going to fit atm.

I saw somebody doing some new builds with a different Seed value in Quartus, which might have saved a bit of space?

Every time somebody else does a PR / code change, you have to re-sync, then figure out how to re-apply your own stuff if it gets overwritten.

Doing a git pull can handle some of that, but I've never been confident with using it.

The tweak for 480i was simple enough in the end. I could probably just do it as an Issue, rather than an actual PR.

Good to see Batman running, btw. I thought that was one which might not run, because of the missing sound hardware.

I really wish MAME could have added some kind of file version or date, to the zip filename itself.

It took me a while to find the correct version of the stvbios.zip file, with the 23603 BIOS in.

I found at least five versions before that, which were the older ones.

[dusty shale]

Today, I showed a friend the MiSTer.
I wanted to demonstrate the fast timings setting, so I loaded up DIgital Dance Mix, a game that, as far as I knew, struggled to run with original timings. Namie Amuro would sometimes not dance at all with original timings.

Lo and behold, it was running reasonably well with original timings (though still better on fast timings).

[tawny forge]

Same here

[dusty shale]

This core continues to blow me away.

[tawny forge]

Thanks for the tip!

Working great now! 😌

[ripe valley]

https://tenor.com/view/freddie-mercury-queen-yas-guaranteed-to-blow-your-mind-gif-15000214

[mortal mist]

Hi @untold cloud !

[high bramble]

Apparently MAMEdev added that particular BIOS with v0.258 back on 2023-08-30.

[coarse token]

-sega/stv.cpp: dumped "EPR-23603 (Japan 00/10/24)" BIOS, removed obsolete hack from sackids [TeamEurope]

[high bramble]

Found that by searching for all references to bios in the release notes history specific to stv, for what that's worth.
https://github.com/search?q=org%3Amamedev+stv+path%3A%2F^releases\%2F%2F&type=code&p=2

[sudden pumice]

Maybe someone will archive it somewhere on the internet one of these days

[celest lake]

Mame is pretty easy to get nowadays

[burnt matrix]

In-case people weren't aware, Zakk put out release 5 of the STV MRAs about 7 hours ago - https://github.com/zakk4223/STV-MRA/releases/download/release5/STV-MRA.zip

[celest lake]

@burnt matrix pin this. Works great #1046941029296779344 message

[old pasture]

I just finished a live stream using @ripe valley 's latest compile. It works great. So many games work. An amazing experience.

Thanks @mortal mist for stopping by too.

[celest hearth]

Times are tough all over. All of mine are either in storage or malfunctioning.

[high bramble]

"Mame is pretty easy to get nowadays"

It's always been a pleasure... and dome you forget it. 😉

[serene thunder]

well, it could be combining saturn audio with the extra samples and then amplifying everything

[celest lake]

I do miss the fanfare of the old site

[high bramble]

I hear ya. Me too.

The unilateral decision to unceremoniously shut it down with no announcement to the rest of the community was always a sticking point with me and the other staff members. It felt like a shitty thing to do... but it was the admin's decision, and that was that.

[burnt matrix]

Not to pry but what happened?

[high bramble]

He was just done. He got tired of dealing with the tracker and the forums... and he had no desire to hand it off to anyone else to allow it to continue on.

[burnt matrix]

What site?

[high bramble]

The process of creating the torrents for each new MAME release was pretty much automated by that point, so that's how it lives on.

Pleasuredome.

[warped saddle]

Robby thought that site was something else

[celest lake]

Now you have to git your mame set elsewhere

One day there will be a front end you can just drop the 4tb of roms and chds into and have it JustWork™️

[warped saddle]

only after Robby scrapes

[burnt matrix]

I thought it was a Kubla Khan reference lol

[high bramble]

It was, actually... or maybe they were just really big Rush fans (which works for me, too). 😉

Obtaining them has certainly come a long way.
I still remember using mame.dk ~25 years ago.
Ugh...

[celest lake]

lol. Yeaaah….yeah. The dark ages

[umbral bluff]

don't know why but my sega st v when loading die hard jusf freezes in a green screen

[warped saddle]

you need updated core

[umbral bluff]

I did that using ver: Saturn_unstable_20250221_164d3a but no luck

[celest lake]

try this core: #1046941029296779344 message

and make sure you have the most up to date MRA files

[warped saddle]

make sure you only have one saturn rbf in _Arcade/cores

preferably named 'Saturn.rbf'

[umbral bluff]

Still no luck indeed now i get a full black screen

Nevermind don't know what just happened but finally it's working thank you all

[burnt matrix]

I’m back on my bullshit!

[wet hull]

Maybe someone can make a patch to skip the patent screens when loading stv games 👀

[wise brook]

patch cinemas to skip trailers

[tender axle]

Someone knows why if i let the demo rolling of die hard arcade STV at some moment i have no more sound ?

Same for Sega Rally

Radiant Silvergun litterally Freez when i launch the game ...

[rich violet]

Single or dual ram? Fast timings?

[tender axle]

Single, original

[rich violet]

I've not heard of that problem before

[tender axle]

And i have some strange glitches

[rich violet]

You're using the latest unstable?

[wise brook]

and Zet’s too?

[rich violet]

Yeah, I was about to suggest trying Zet's

[tender axle]

last unstable yes

[rich violet]

@tender axle #1046941029296779344 message This is Zet's build

[tender axle]

Same, during demo rolling sound cut

Could be faulty sdram ?

[wise brook]

just a shoutout to kuba for the composite blending, incredible what that does to Die Hard Arcade

[tender axle]

😥

[mortal mist]

Have you always had problems with the sound in this game?

[mortal mist]

This does not yet prove anything

[tender axle]

Yes

And same prob with Radiant who freeze when i start game

I didn't had this prob before

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/355#issuecomment-2676820961

New bulid for Grandia tests

[drowsy hull]

grandia has probably accumulated more playtime by being used as a test for mister than the game had when it was supposed to be a game

[mortal mist]

It also doesn't help that you can't skip the intro

It's hard for me to count how many times I've watched it

[ripe valley]

I can't stand that intro anymore...

[thorn pagoda]

you can make a save pretty quickly near the start to skip over it

although sometimes you can see the glitches in the intro so you don't even need to watch the whole thing

[mortal mist]

Only once upon a time we didn't know that flicker occurs outside the intro sequence 😅

[tribal burrow]

If grandia works on the Saroo I might just get one of those lol

[burnt matrix]

It works on the MiSTer? The problem with the texture flickering is that it doesn’t happen to all people so it’s tough to nail down.

[mortal mist]

I'm glad I could help and do something. I'm working on two more things , hopefully they will “fit” into the core

[warped saddle]

well hopefully soon you get a bit of room

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-honor-bowing-down-formal-bow-honor-gif-15998984674314455977

to all those about to code

[tender axle]

Is there a way to save changes made into bios ?

Language settings, etc, ...

[wise brook]

testing now

[celest lake]

If folks need a save for grandia: #1046941029296779344 message

[wise brook]

i’ve gone thru them all 3 times

Saturn_1 from the last batch
and now 1_0 thru 1_3

it’s looking like 1_1 or 1_2 offers the only appreciable improvement

[ancient surge]

We really need to ban this Grandia discussion. Like it's an obvious RAM bottleneck problem, but people want to shove the square shape into the round hole.

[wise brook]

i prefer the movement of wall/floor with 1_1 but the differences are subtle at best.

[wise brook]

i closed the original issue on github when srg split it over dual and created an instant fix

and i got hate for it

now someone has remade the issue and SRG is pouring his time into it

[high bramble]

Just imagine how the chats would be if we arbitrarily banned discussion of everything that was thought to be 'impossible' on MiSTer over the years...

[wise brook]

we are honor bound to tell him if anything is better so he can make the call when to move on

[ancient surge]

Not the same thing.

We already have the solution, but people are really bizarrely adamant on bringing up this problem despite srg320 making it abundantly clear that the single RAM build will have a RAM bottleneck and will impact any games dependent on the RAM timings.

[ripe valley]

srg320 is ready to work on whatever he wants.
If he wants to work on the RAM issue, that is his will.

He could also ignore the issue ticket if he wanted or even close it, but he has an idea to improve the situation.

It's not up to us to say anything, or even argue, but to help him as best we can.

[wise brook]

before posting

[warped saddle]

really his initial deal was he couldn't reproduce it at all

[wise brook]

it blows my mind

[high bramble]

Of course it's similar. For the longest time it was 'obvious' that Saturn was 'impossible' on the DE10-Nano. Then, it was 'obvious' that it would require dual-SDRAM. Now, here we are, with one game exhibiting problems with single-SDRAM configurations. Naturally, some are holding out hope that a work-around will be found, or at the very least a 'good enough' solution... such as the one currently being discussed now.

[wise brook]

4 different misters

8 different ram chips

power supplies, sdcard, copies of the game

[warped saddle]

it's also possible it was happening to him but it was subtle enough he didn't quite see it or something

[wise brook]

every variable i could find did not fix it, to the point i was feeling like anyone who claimed it was working for them must have been running the old core that still worked right

[ripe valley]

I think we should be more than happy that he works once again on the Single RAM issue on that game.
And the 3DO core will not be and was never his only objective of 2025.

[wise brook]

all this work on fast timings and it’s very similar to your seed10 build

[rich violet]

I think he found a way to reproduce it by reducing the frequency of his DDR3 memory: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Saturn_MiSTer/issues/355#issuecomment-2660932553

[naive whale]

3DO should be everyone’s singular goal haha

[rich violet]

After posting that he started making test builds for the issue anyway

[celest lake]

Zakk proposed that iirc

[ripe valley]

"I knew you'd say that."

[high bramble]

As soon as the first build is released, we get to see AWBacon's 3DO-face. 😮

[naive whale]

Hah I mean i do love 3DO

[autumn nexus]

Hi Videogame esoterica

[naive whale]

But the ooh face is coming soon with a brand new project that’s going to be hilariously diff than VGE

[naive whale]

Heyo

[high bramble]

Shh! That's his secret identity!

[naive whale]

lol only server I’m not VGE on because everyone yelled at me to change back

[celest lake]

The Art of Peer Pressure

[autumn nexus]

Hi all where on earth can i ge epr-23603.ic8

[naive whale]

You’d want to look at MAME files compatible with .274

Obv can’t link here but nested within that file set would be the stvbios.zip with all the proper bios files

[high bramble]

Look for stvbios.zip from a version of MAME from v0.258 or higher.

That's when that BIOS was added.
#1046941029296779344 message

[autumn nexus]

Got it, thanks AWBacon and MJY71

Now to play some STV (literally been waiting years for this core!!)

[high bramble]

It's not 100% yet, but it's in a good place so far.

[autumn nexus]

Based on the progress of other cores which I have observed over the years, I'd say it is almost there

The developers of these things are GOD

[tacit viper]

Having issues getting the Mister Menu to open with the latest Unstable Kernel, anyone else?

[worn nest]

I had the same issue with the green screen after the Winners Don't use Drugs screen. What did you do to fix this?

[tacit viper]

weird used the hcrop saturn core from the other day working great. Latest one seems to freeze on menu.

[mortal mist]

I haven't made any changes since then for hcrop

[tacit viper]

I have no idea either

The core freezes on my mister when you load the bios, cant do anything

Loaded up the older hcrop one I am playing virtua cop as we speak 🙂

[celest lake]

rancid weren’t you having trouble with something similar with the jaguar core? like something to do with direct video and the vvs setting in the jag core?